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Speaker 1: song machine Head? Okay, I didn't tell Gavin this during

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Speaker 1: the podcast, but I used to have this dog named Jane,

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Speaker 1: and at one section it goes breathe in, breathe out,

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Speaker 1: breathe in, breathe out, breathe in. And my wife and

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Speaker 1: So it's gonna be really fun for me to sit

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Speaker 1: I'm not gonna tell him that story. Gavin Rossdale, thank

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Speaker 1: you so much for being here on six degrees with

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Speaker 1: Kevin Big And I'm so excited to meet you. I

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Speaker 1: don't think we've met, have we no crossed?

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Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, I felt very upset that I

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Speaker 2: but now I guess I have.

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Speaker 1: Oh no, no, you definitely have, because we we do

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Speaker 1: the research on that before we start this embarrassing must

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Speaker 1: be loads of course. Well you were. You were in

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Speaker 1: a Little Black Book, right with Julia Nicholson. Julianne was

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Speaker 2: I was in it. I was in that movie so quick.

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Speaker 2: It's a beautiful story. I remember. It's funny because I

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Speaker 2: Why I drove out. I seemed like I was going forever.

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Speaker 2: And when I got to Canoga Park Avenue, seen far

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Speaker 2: And I went there and I I always said that

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Speaker 2: I just that's what, right. So I go there and

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Speaker 2: they said, oh, there's this film with Brittany Murphy there's

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Speaker 2: the dark. I want to play the devil's emissary. I

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Speaker 2: want to be covered in blood. People generally kill me

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Speaker 2: I went there and fully like, I just was like,

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Speaker 2: Hold your ground. You're not going to do any of that.

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Speaker 2: And I walked in this trailer and there's the producer,

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Speaker 2: she just grabbed my hands and said, please we do

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Speaker 1: I rolled over like that's so funny. You know, I

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Speaker 2: Well, I think it's just to do with the words

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Speaker 2: just like so nice. Sophia Copper gave me a role

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Speaker 2: And quickly about the Brittany Murphy thing. We had most

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Speaker 1: I don't even know that story.

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Speaker 2: That wonderful a friend of mine, no story. So yeah,

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Speaker 2: but I just love it. I also like not the

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I do one hundred percent. I mean I

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Speaker 2: this wonderful action coach Howld Guskin, and you oh.

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Speaker 2: for him. Is that that me the Righteous Gemstones?

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Speaker 2: Now, on the solo record, I was actually more collaborative.

431
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,800
Speaker 2: I went to people's studios and wrote songs for them. Okay,

432
00:23:34,960 --> 00:23:36,919
Speaker 2: it should be called my not solo record.

433
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Speaker 1: This is fairly a fairly new thing for me to

434
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Speaker 1: go and write with other people. To me writing aside

435
00:23:45,400 --> 00:23:49,000
Speaker 1: from writing with my brother was always a I always

436
00:23:49,000 --> 00:23:52,600
Speaker 1: looked at it as a singular sort of expression because

437
00:23:52,640 --> 00:23:56,000
Speaker 1: it had to just be me, and it had to

438
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Speaker 1: just be my limited, you know ability, and.

439
00:24:00,960 --> 00:24:02,680
Speaker 2: You know, you're got to go nowhere and hip hop.

440
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:08,320
Speaker 1: Right, I know exactly, or or or or country or

441
00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 1: pop or or anything really in these days, I mean,

442
00:24:12,760 --> 00:24:16,040
Speaker 1: you're either James Taylor or you're you know everything else.

443
00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,960
Speaker 1: But for the first time, my brother and I and

444
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:24,600
Speaker 1: all and me separately have also gone and sat in

445
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Speaker 1: a room with people that we didn't know and and

446
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: met like a like a strange kind of speed dating thing.

447
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Speaker 1: And it's a very I find it to be very

448
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Speaker 1: vulnerable obviously, but also like super exciting and just the

449
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Speaker 1: idea that I mean, I've struggled over a song for like,

450
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Speaker 1: you know, months, But the idea that you just have

451
00:24:48,400 --> 00:24:51,720
Speaker 1: this you know whatever for four hour window and you

452
00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,919
Speaker 1: actually walk away with something, how do you do? How

453
00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 1: do you find that experience?

454
00:24:57,200 --> 00:25:01,080
Speaker 2: I find exhilarating. My biggest fear is that I I'm

455
00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:06,439
Speaker 2: really good at saying I actually forget it, and then

456
00:25:06,520 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: I get that rid of that and change that lyric,

457
00:25:08,520 --> 00:25:10,240
Speaker 2: you know, and I suddenly have a whole new thing.

458
00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:14,880
Speaker 2: You know, I'm really it's funny. When I first started

459
00:25:14,920 --> 00:25:20,399
Speaker 2: writing songs and the first songs are over bush, there

460
00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:23,520
Speaker 2: was there was no horizon. I didn't think about it.

461
00:25:23,640 --> 00:25:26,000
Speaker 2: So there's no horizon, just right, Try me good, try

462
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:31,160
Speaker 2: me interesting. Yeah, it's dark, it's great. And then when

463
00:25:31,160 --> 00:25:33,480
Speaker 2: you've made a number of records at this point in

464
00:25:33,480 --> 00:25:37,760
Speaker 2: my life, I'm like, whoa, there's the horizon. I got

465
00:25:37,880 --> 00:25:41,119
Speaker 2: twenty three songs perfore and burdened, you know damn what

466
00:25:41,119 --> 00:25:43,720
Speaker 2: I'm going to do. So it really has forced me

467
00:25:44,280 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 2: to become a much better editor because I realized that

468
00:25:48,560 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 2: I wasn't so much as lazy before more sort of, oh,

469
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:54,480
Speaker 2: the guitar player is going to take care of that section.

470
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 2: If I haven't done the best section, then it's going

471
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Speaker 2: to make it bit so somehow, would let be as

472
00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,760
Speaker 2: thorough And what I've really been into is being super thorough,

473
00:26:05,880 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 2: not just throwing songs away, but coming in the morning,

474
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,960
Speaker 2: be like, Okay, the song's as good as this weakest part.

475
00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:13,000
Speaker 2: Like if your middle eight is not very good, that

476
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,560
Speaker 2: song is not very good. The song is as good

477
00:26:15,600 --> 00:26:18,080
Speaker 2: as the weakest part. And so if you've got a

478
00:26:18,080 --> 00:26:19,880
Speaker 2: weak part, of the song. God, let me.

479
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Speaker 1: Write that down. This song is only as good as

480
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Speaker 1: its weakest part.

481
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I believe. I mean, it's probably not true, but

482
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,920
Speaker 2: it's I feel that. So if I leave that studio

483
00:26:29,000 --> 00:26:31,439
Speaker 2: after four hours, I'll be next day not going to again.

484
00:26:31,680 --> 00:26:33,320
Speaker 2: I got a better part for the week bit.

485
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Speaker 1: But the week wow, well you guys Bush as a

486
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,639
Speaker 1: new record, right loaded, Yeah, yeah, tell me about that.

487
00:26:43,240 --> 00:26:46,320
Speaker 2: It's well, it's the greatest hits. I never wanted to

488
00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,520
Speaker 2: do greatest hits. I only got to write one new

489
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:50,960
Speaker 2: song for it, so it's the weirdest thing to do

490
00:26:51,160 --> 00:26:54,919
Speaker 2: one song and then there'd be a whole record that

491
00:26:55,000 --> 00:27:00,240
Speaker 2: was a nice, feeling, amazing, And I never want to

492
00:27:00,280 --> 00:27:02,639
Speaker 2: do it because I'm really obsessed about staying at the

493
00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:06,199
Speaker 2: present and not wanting to stop this job because I

494
00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:09,080
Speaker 2: really love them being around all day with nothing to

495
00:27:09,119 --> 00:27:12,639
Speaker 2: do in Rhode Island to play tonight because you give

496
00:27:12,720 --> 00:27:18,360
Speaker 2: the life to it. But I just yeah, yeah, well,

497
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,240
Speaker 2: it's more to be honest to do with just keeping

498
00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:25,760
Speaker 2: it going, and it's like a celebration. It's funny because

499
00:27:25,760 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: now with the sets, want to play live these shows.

500
00:27:28,080 --> 00:27:30,320
Speaker 2: Right now, I'm playing a bit more of the kind

501
00:27:30,359 --> 00:27:32,520
Speaker 2: of older stuff as well. You still always do that,

502
00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:33,320
Speaker 2: but not a new.

503
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Speaker 1: So you've been touring, You were touring touring, We were

504
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Speaker 1: at this summer.

505
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was out the summer and then I just

506
00:27:39,840 --> 00:27:41,679
Speaker 2: had a few weeks off, an hour out for a

507
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 2: few weeks for this thing. And I'm probably touring a

508
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 2: bit too much. But these shows are really good fun. There,

509
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 2: you know, a place we haven't been for a while,

510
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 2: secondary tertiary market, so people are really grateful. It's really cold,

511
00:27:55,720 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: so it feels it feels very different from the touring

512
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 2: up recently. But I'm halfway through seven songs through a

513
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 2: new record. Yeah, yeah, because then I would feel really

514
00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:11,760
Speaker 2: creative in bankrupt if I was just didn't have those

515
00:28:11,800 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: songs I heard the Springsteen.

516
00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,880
Speaker 1: It's a Bush record or or yeah, oh great.

517
00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:24,400
Speaker 2: I don't think that anyone should no rock band, No,

518
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:29,320
Speaker 2: No one wants rock band singers through solo records, just

519
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 2: like please sing in the band. You know, they're like please.

520
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,800
Speaker 2: Everyone wants that more. I had a successful run with

521
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:39,240
Speaker 2: the solo thing, but I just didn't like it. I

522
00:28:39,280 --> 00:28:43,800
Speaker 2: didn't like my name on the radio. It just felt awkward.

523
00:28:44,760 --> 00:28:46,960
Speaker 2: People knew because of Bush people be like that was great.

524
00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:49,200
Speaker 2: When's the band get back together? You know, people just

525
00:28:49,240 --> 00:28:52,600
Speaker 2: want the full power. It's if you're not given the

526
00:28:52,720 --> 00:28:58,280
Speaker 2: full benefit, and it somehow comes across like again, this

527
00:28:58,400 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 2: is my parent, my prison. It comes across like you

528
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:04,440
Speaker 2: want to You know, you're saying I don't really need

529
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:06,920
Speaker 2: my band and they really like me. I don't need

530
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:10,239
Speaker 2: my band and I need my bad amazing and I

531
00:29:10,280 --> 00:29:14,640
Speaker 2: love them and doesn't feel right now. I just saw

532
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:17,600
Speaker 2: Corey Taylor from slip Knot doing a solo show and

533
00:29:17,640 --> 00:29:20,840
Speaker 2: he's amazing and so he's allowed to do it. But generally,

534
00:29:21,280 --> 00:29:23,360
Speaker 2: I think people want the bands, don't They don't. Wouldn't

535
00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: you prefer to go and see you want to go

536
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,120
Speaker 2: to see you too? You don't see Bono on his

537
00:29:27,200 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 2: new record that he hasn't.

538
00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I want. I think that's true. I

539
00:29:32,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: think I want to see the band. I'm trying to

540
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:37,440
Speaker 1: think if there's you know what exceptions would be. But

541
00:29:37,440 --> 00:29:39,960
Speaker 1: but yeah, I mean I think.

542
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:42,080
Speaker 2: You know tones or you want to see crosses.

543
00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I mean. On the other hand, I also

544
00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:50,640
Speaker 1: think that that you know, if if you are an artist,

545
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,000
Speaker 1: then you did you did it. You know, you you

546
00:29:53,160 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 1: explore things with the band that sometimes you go, well,

547
00:29:56,160 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: I don't know, I'm I need to explore something just

548
00:30:00,040 --> 00:30:02,560
Speaker 1: by myself. I just need to do that. I don't think.

549
00:30:02,640 --> 00:30:06,640
Speaker 1: I certainly don't begrudge anybody from one to check that out.

550
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,680
Speaker 2: Yeah I don't. But you know, the thing is is

551
00:30:09,720 --> 00:30:12,800
Speaker 2: that what it makes me feel is that if you

552
00:30:12,960 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 2: if you look at the chronology of a band, if

553
00:30:14,840 --> 00:30:17,920
Speaker 2: if someone steps out as a solo record, it's weird

554
00:30:17,960 --> 00:30:20,320
Speaker 2: because I mean, Don Henley is a perfect example someone.

555
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't care, right, it's not a bad

556
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 2: to care about or no, but I guess he had

557
00:30:28,840 --> 00:30:33,440
Speaker 2: simultaneous parallel careers. But I suppose, yes, I don't really,

558
00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:35,239
Speaker 2: I don't really have a point about that. Man. But

559
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 2: I certainly personally like everything that I do to be

560
00:30:40,800 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 2: through the prism of Bush because it's just me at

561
00:30:44,280 --> 00:30:46,920
Speaker 2: my best. It's me where I think people want me

562
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Speaker 2: the most.

563
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Speaker 1: That sounds like an album titled the Prism of Bush.

564
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Speaker 1: You are here to highlight a very pressing cause that

574
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:37,920
Speaker 1: is going on in American society these days. And it's

575
00:31:37,960 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: a topic that you know, I have been you know,

576
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: certainly thinking about for a long time and sadly continue

577
00:31:45,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 1: to think about, and that is gun violence, this increase

578
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:56,960
Speaker 1: in gun violence in this in this country. And I'm

579
00:31:57,040 --> 00:32:00,880
Speaker 1: thrilled that you're here to talk about this today. But

580
00:32:00,920 --> 00:32:04,200
Speaker 1: I'm also thrilled that Mark Barden is here with us,

581
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:06,760
Speaker 1: and we'll be joining us now. Who is the co

582
00:32:07,000 --> 00:32:10,480
Speaker 1: founder of Artists for Action. How do you guys know

583
00:32:10,560 --> 00:32:10,960
Speaker 1: each other?

584
00:32:11,600 --> 00:32:15,280
Speaker 4: Gavin was kind enough to invite me to sit in

585
00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 4: with them at the Irving Plaza gig in New York

586
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 4: about a month and a half ago. Yeah, yes, it

587
00:32:23,960 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 4: was a launch for Artist for Action.

588
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Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, Mark how a handsome man. That was

589
00:32:30,560 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 2: a great night, right and New York. We had a

590
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 2: good time. That was a great night. Thank you so much.

591
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Speaker 4: It was such a blast.

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Speaker 1: It really was tell us about artist for action, It

593
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:45,760
Speaker 1: tell us about your starting it and you know, give us,

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Speaker 1: give us the give us the backstory for those of

595
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,560
Speaker 1: us that don't know. Yeah.

596
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Speaker 4: So, as Gavin mentioned, I lost the youngest of my

597
00:32:54,760 --> 00:32:56,600
Speaker 4: three children. I didn't lose something.

598
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Speaker 2: He was murdered.

599
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Speaker 4: Our seven year old son, Daniel was shot to death

600
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,600
Speaker 4: and say elementary school. And I will just never get

601
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: used to that. I will never get It's not something

602
00:33:06,120 --> 00:33:08,800
Speaker 4: you just get over. We just try to move from

603
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:13,440
Speaker 4: one day to the next. And you know, I took

604
00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:18,520
Speaker 4: very seriously this this mission on to prevent this catastrophe

605
00:33:18,640 --> 00:33:24,520
Speaker 4: from happening to other families. And very soon after that tragedy,

606
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:29,240
Speaker 4: we started this work with Sandy her prowess and really

607
00:33:29,240 --> 00:33:31,960
Speaker 4: did a lot of thoughtful research to learn how how

608
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: this happens and what are the drivers. And one of

609
00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:38,640
Speaker 4: the key takeaways is that there are always warning signs.

610
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:41,000
Speaker 4: Of course, he hurts themselves or hurts others. And we

611
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 4: developed programs that we bring to schools at no cost

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Speaker 4: to teach young people and their teachers and their parents

613
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:51,080
Speaker 4: how to look for those warning signs and then give

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Speaker 4: them the tools to take the next steps. To connect

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00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 4: that person or themselves to whatever help or services they

616
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Speaker 4: might need before it becomes something more serious. And it's

617
00:34:00,280 --> 00:34:03,720
Speaker 4: been wonderfully successful. And just from the programmatic approach alone,

618
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Speaker 4: I think I don't know if we can announce, but

619
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Speaker 4: there may be more already than fifteen school shootings that

620
00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,600
Speaker 4: were imminate and planned and ready to happen that students

621
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Speaker 4: trained in our program saw something that they thought was

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Speaker 4: indicative of a tragedy about to happen, and they made

623
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Speaker 4: that intervention by telling a trusted adult or using our

624
00:34:20,760 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 4: anonymous supporting system, and that horrible thing was intervened upon

625
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Speaker 4: and didn't happen, along with hundreds of suicides. So we're

626
00:34:28,960 --> 00:34:31,960
Speaker 4: very very proud of that work. And IO, Yeah, I

627
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 4: feel very privileged to be able to honor my Daniel

628
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Speaker 4: through this work. And then we've also been able to

629
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Speaker 4: write policy, and we just kind of come at this

630
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Speaker 4: from a different, less polarizing, less divisive positioning, and we

631
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Speaker 4: just say, let's start this conversation with what we agree on,

632
00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 4: and we could all agree that we want to protect

633
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:53,560
Speaker 4: our kids, and we can all agree we want our

634
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Speaker 4: neighborhoods to be safer and our communities to be safer.

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Speaker 4: So we were able to pass policy with bipartisan support

636
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Speaker 4: in both the state and the federal level, which I'm

637
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:03,759
Speaker 4: also very proud of. And the people that come to

638
00:35:03,800 --> 00:35:07,239
Speaker 4: work for Santy her Promise are just amazing and outstanding

639
00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,359
Speaker 4: and passionate and smart, and it's honored to do this

640
00:35:10,400 --> 00:35:14,160
Speaker 4: work alongside them. And from this Through this work, I

641
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:20,360
Speaker 4: met Matt wraich reich Reich and his organization Artist for

642
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:24,560
Speaker 4: Action Artists for Artists. From Artists for Artists came this initiative,

643
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Speaker 4: Artist for Action, which is basically focused on gun violence

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Speaker 4: in America, and it's a place for musicians and influencers

645
00:35:32,200 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 4: and artists to come together. It's a coalition of musicians really,

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Speaker 4: and we have some wonderful, impressive talent and individuals in

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Speaker 4: this movement now who have a safe place to tell

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Speaker 4: their fan bases. This is something that's important to me

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Speaker 4: and it should be important to you as well, especially

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Speaker 4: if you think about you know, death by gunfire is

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Speaker 4: the number one cause of young people under nineteen in

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Speaker 4: this country.

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Speaker 1: Now just blows my mind.

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Speaker 4: Diaggering, I know, and I first.

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Speaker 1: Came across my radar, I was just it's just so

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Speaker 1: hard to imagine that anyway. I'm sorry, Mark, go ahead.

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Speaker 4: I mean, well, yeah, I mean that's it. That's the key,

658
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Speaker 4: that's the key takeaway. And I just feel like if

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Speaker 4: since that is the number one killer of people nineteen

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Speaker 4: and under in this country, it should be everybody's number

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Speaker 4: one issue, or at least one of your main issues.

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Speaker 4: And so the Artist for Action is a place for

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Speaker 4: musicians who have influence and who have a fan base

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Speaker 4: who want to educate them that this isn't an issue

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Speaker 4: that and as Gavin said, there are so many issues,

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Speaker 4: but this should be one of them. And many of

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Speaker 4: those other issues are drivers to gun violence. Poverty, food insecurity,

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Speaker 4: racial injustice, all of these things are contributing to gun violence.

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Speaker 1: But how could we possibly move this out of you know,

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Speaker 1: you mentioned it being a non partisan cause. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think one of the hardest pieces of dealing with

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Speaker 1: this gun violence thing is the political politicalization of it.

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Speaker 1: You know, it just it's it just should not be

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Speaker 1: a political issue. It feels so it feels so I

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Speaker 1: mean when I mean, I'm sure there were political issues around,

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Speaker 1: you know, trying to keep kids not smoking, but it

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Speaker 1: just didn't feel the same way. It didn't it didn't

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Speaker 1: become a thing that you were on one side or

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Speaker 1: the other. I mean, if there's anything you.

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Speaker 2: Problem see it's been seen as a sort of a

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Speaker 2: h a taking away people's rights, and it really there's

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Speaker 2: no disconnect there. It shouldn't be political because it's not

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Speaker 2: taking people's rights. Where you know, what's what what Mark

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Speaker 2: and what the charity is doing. It's just is educating.

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Speaker 2: I mean that's all that. It's just educating. And if

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Speaker 2: you're notice, it's not about you'll never remove guns in

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Speaker 2: America because it's it's it's just it's in the DNA

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00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 2: and and you know there's there's so many gun holes.

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Speaker 2: The majority of gun holders don't kill people, like the

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Speaker 2: vast majority. It's just these people with these psychological issues.

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Speaker 2: So that's why I was so honored to be involved

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Speaker 2: and will continue to be in it. And you're play

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Speaker 2: you're doing a show, you're coming up, You're doing a

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Speaker 2: show for Artisfaction, right, Yes, yes, I mean I want

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Speaker 2: to keep any you know, it's just a wonderful thing

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Speaker 2: that Mark's doing and it's all about sustainable you know,

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Speaker 2: we have we have we all have an audience. And

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Speaker 2: I've never pushed anything down the throat to the people

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Speaker 2: that like Bush you know, or you know, push too

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Speaker 2: much on them. But this is the first time where

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Speaker 2: it's been really a case of talking to people, just

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Speaker 2: making them aware that there is these there's this recourse

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Speaker 2: because everybody wants recourse. Nobody wants this violence. Everybody wants

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Speaker 2: to find a way through. And it's silly to think,

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Speaker 2: you know, it gets lost though it's it's political. Oh,

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Speaker 2: you want to take our freedoms? No, no, no, no,

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Speaker 2: we want to like to help these disaffected youth. What

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Speaker 2: Mark says, that's the number one killer of kids under nineteen.

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Speaker 2: Do you know what I mean? It's not bad enough

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Speaker 2: that the food industry is trying to do that sort

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Speaker 2: of one with all the sugars and all the terrible food,

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Speaker 2: all the chemicals. It's like mental help. So I think

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Speaker 2: it's incredible. Mark.

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Speaker 1: Do these kids go out all over the country or

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Speaker 1: they are they available? How would people find those kids?

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Speaker 1: Is it something that the schools reach out for or

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Speaker 1: do you actually go and distribute them? Explain how that

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Speaker 1: works in a practical way.

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Speaker 4: So we don't charge anything. We do all of this

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Speaker 4: work based on the generosity of our donors. Because we

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Speaker 4: don't want to let costs be a barrier, and we

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Speaker 4: want to be able to bring these and they're basically

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Speaker 4: just trainings come in there. We have a training called

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Speaker 4: say Something where we train students how to understand, interpret,

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Speaker 4: and identify at risk behavior either in themselves and others,

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Speaker 4: and then empower them with the knowledge that they have

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Speaker 4: to tell their trusted adult and that could be their teacher,

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Speaker 4: it could be a faith leader, could be a coach,

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Speaker 4: it could be a parent. But tell somebody, and they

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Speaker 4: can tell them in person, and they can use our

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Speaker 4: anonymous reporting system, which is staff would trained professionals around

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Speaker 4: the clock and report that at risk behavior, and then

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Speaker 4: that trusted adult knows who to connect with they can

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Speaker 4: get they're all everybody's all trained, and then get help.

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Speaker 2: It might be.

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Speaker 4: Somebody like Timmy's pulling hair on the bus, okay, so

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Speaker 4: that could be addressed in a one appropriate way. Or

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Speaker 4: Timmy is packing his backpack with guns and he's gonna

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Speaker 4: shoot up the school tomorrow. That's that's a different kind

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Speaker 4: of intervention. And so our trainings teach folks how to

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Speaker 4: do those triage those tips, and our crisis center triages

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Speaker 4: those tips and responds accordingly, and we build clubs into

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Speaker 4: the school so it's not just an assembling in September

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Speaker 4: they forget about it. We want to build this curriculum

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Speaker 4: into the culture and the climate of the schools, so

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Speaker 4: students from the caids, from kindergarten all the way through

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Speaker 4: twelfth grade, it just becomes part of their culture and

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Speaker 4: part of who they am. They are, and it's more

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Speaker 4: than just stopping the bad things, but it's also fostering

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Speaker 4: a culture of compassion, inclusion, kindness towards what another. We're

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Speaker 4: watching it work and it's and the long range goal

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Speaker 4: is at scale and over time we will have that

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Speaker 4: positive influence on the culture and get back to some

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Speaker 4: of those those ideas that you were talking about earlier

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Speaker 4: about kindness and compassion and less divisive and you know,

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Speaker 4: gave it to your point about education and awareness. You know,

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Speaker 4: if you identify as a responsible going owner, which most do,

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Speaker 4: you are already doing all the things that we're just

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Speaker 4: that we're asking, like safe storage, go through the background

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Speaker 4: check before you acquire a weapon, make sure you store

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Speaker 4: it responsibly so that a five year old in your

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Speaker 4: home doesn't pick it up and cause a tragedy and

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Speaker 4: so sore. There is there is a very well flooded

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Speaker 4: mechanism that is trying to force that figure down people's

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Speaker 4: throats that and and mislead them to think that any

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Speaker 4: kind of rational safety regulations is equivalent to the slippery

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Speaker 4: flope of confiscation, which it's not.

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Speaker 1: It just which is not. That's the disconnect, is the

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Speaker 1: slip righty slope of that they're going to come and

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Speaker 1: I just the messaging that that that they have been

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Speaker 1: able to put across that any kind of discussion around

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Speaker 1: anything background checks, you know, assault rifles, magazine size is

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Speaker 1: always going to be a precursor to goodbye guns. It's

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Speaker 1: just the it's it's so interesting because it feels like

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Speaker 1: what you you know, one of the things that's great

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Speaker 1: about talking to you, Mark is that you are so

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Speaker 1: clear on the messaging and uh and you have such

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Speaker 1: a terrible, terrible personal connection to this, to this issue

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Speaker 1: that you know that it's it's uh, I mean, we

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Speaker 1: just we need we need you out there all the time.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I know you have other things you want

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Speaker 1: to do, like play your guitar and music. Yeah you

783
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: want to play music, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Speaker 4: You know, And it's been a journey back to that

785
00:43:05,600 --> 00:43:07,960
Speaker 4: at the beginning, you know, Daniel and and James and

786
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,520
Speaker 4: Adlie were all very closely connected to my music and

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Speaker 4: it was not the comfort mechanism that one would think.

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Speaker 4: And it's been a journey back and some wonderful folks

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Speaker 4: along the way. My six degree story is my good

790
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Speaker 4: friend and one of my bass player of friends, Jimmy

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00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:24,480
Speaker 4: Kanneely filled in for your guy Paul Paul Gazone in

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Speaker 4: Phoenix years ago. Folks like Jimmy Kanneely, Folks like Kevin Rossdale,

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Speaker 4: Rick Krn, Matt Wright, all these foot folks that have

794
00:43:35,000 --> 00:43:37,799
Speaker 4: just you know, been wonderful souls that have come into

795
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Speaker 4: my life that have helped me along into this journey.

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Speaker 4: My kids you'll meet Natalie in two weeks, have been

797
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 4: just wonderful support mechanisms. So that now music is back

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Speaker 4: to where it should be and I am back to

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Speaker 4: my true self as a musician.

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Speaker 1: And you've got callous You got callouses on the on

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Speaker 1: the tips of your fingers.

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Speaker 4: Hell yeah, yeah, So yeah, we're ready for our show

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00:43:59,200 --> 00:44:02,480
Speaker 4: at ny You on December seventh with Artists for Action.

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Speaker 1: Right, yes, yes, I think this will actually unfortunately air after.

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Speaker 4: The show that was a great show that was.

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Speaker 1: Do you guys I still remember that show?

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Speaker 2: Yeah?

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Speaker 1: What is what is the what? What is the most

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Speaker 1: pressing need that the organization has right now?

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Speaker 4: Well, like I said, we it's it's a lot of

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Speaker 4: resources to develop and to train, implement and sustain these

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00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:35,040
Speaker 4: programs on one hundred percent efficacy. We're doing you know,

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Speaker 4: multiple research programs to to to inform our work to

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Speaker 4: continue to do it better. A lot of moving parts

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Speaker 4: and you know, we don't charge anything for it, so

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00:44:44,040 --> 00:44:47,919
Speaker 4: we need people, bodies, volunteers, dollars, networking, you know, all

817
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Speaker 4: of that folks to just just learn about what what

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Speaker 4: Sandy her Promise is doing and what we're not doing.

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Speaker 4: You know, I think I think we are. We appeal

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Speaker 4: to folks across the political spectrum because, like I said,

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Speaker 4: we're just out there protecting kids. We're just out there

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Speaker 4: making our community safer. We're building a culture of upstanders

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Speaker 4: who are more more kind and more inclusive of one another.

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Speaker 4: And there's really no barriers to entry there.

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Speaker 2: Come on, is it like Artists for Action or said

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Speaker 2: hook Promise that they combined? How does that work? Like

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Speaker 2: you were to choose one organization because it's pretty easy

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Speaker 2: for what should they go to.

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Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, don't make me do that. They're both

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Speaker 4: they're both different, you know, they're both doing the same

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Speaker 4: they're both looking for the same outcome is to reduce

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Speaker 4: gun violence in America. And it's a huge, complex problem

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Speaker 4: and there are all those cultural issues that we spoke to.

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Speaker 4: There are also many ways to approach it from you know,

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Speaker 4: from a solution perspective. Uh, and so one of those

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Speaker 4: you know we talked we've been talking about. The common

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Speaker 4: thread through here is education and awareness and getting the

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Speaker 4: word out of what folks can do to be part

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Speaker 4: of this narrative, to be part of the I know,

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Speaker 4: we have the numbers, we always have. We just need

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Speaker 4: folks engaged. And that could mean making sure you're voting

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Speaker 4: for folks who are protecting you know, us from gun violence.

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Speaker 4: It means it means helping an organization of your choice

844
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Speaker 4: that resonates with your own personal values. It doesn't have

845
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Speaker 4: to be standing in promise. Artist for Action is building

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Speaker 4: a coalition of musicians to get the word out to

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Speaker 4: their base, to tell those folks to get engaged in

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Speaker 4: this conversation and to be doing something, to doing something anything.

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Speaker 4: So so there are different approaches and as many different approaches,

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Speaker 4: we need folks to be engaged data as man them

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Speaker 4: as they can. And like I said, if it's not

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Speaker 4: your number one issue, it should be, but it should

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Speaker 4: be definitely one of your issues.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm going to give a little call to action

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Speaker 1: here that might is going to be a surprise for remark.

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Speaker 1: But five minutes before we got on this podcast, I

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Speaker 1: learned that there is a twenty five thousand dollars matching

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Speaker 1: grant in my name and that if people go to

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Speaker 1: I believe it's the Artist for Action website, they that

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Speaker 1: that six degrees of KB or I can't know exactly,

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Speaker 1: I'm not sure exactly what it's called, will be there

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Speaker 1: and there will be a matching grand of twenty five

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Speaker 1: thousand dollars, which is uh, so you can, we can,

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Speaker 1: we can all do a little something in that way,

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Speaker 1: whatever you have to to give or it.

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Speaker 4: That's amazing, thank you, that's so so amazing. And both

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Speaker 4: organizations do great work. Artists for Action has held events

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Speaker 4: where they have donated the proceeds to Sandy her promise

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Speaker 4: and so it's all good and it'll all good go

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Speaker 4: to helping us train more students and preventing more tragedies

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Speaker 4: and building their culture, so.

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Speaker 2: Like preventing thing hopelessness, Like, it's so weird to be

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Speaker 2: outside of this, knowing what you've been through, Daniel as

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Speaker 2: a father, and I'm just standing like in the horror

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Speaker 2: and it just takes me back to these these kids

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Speaker 2: who do That's like the degree of not analyst hopelessness

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Speaker 2: is what's really change, you know, And that's not these

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Speaker 2: kids who think they have nothing in their lives and

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Speaker 2: this is any kind of solution. It's just it's so

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Speaker 2: hard to wrap your brain around that. Anybody sees that,

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Speaker 2: and then you pair.

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Speaker 4: That what you pair that with with you know, this

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Speaker 4: very uniquely American easy access to firearms. I mean, we

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Speaker 4: have all kinds of mental health issues in around the world.

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Speaker 4: Mental illness is not the driver of gun violence. It's

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Speaker 4: usually folks suffering mental illness or usually the victims of

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Speaker 4: gun violence. And and so I think mental illness itself

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Speaker 4: is mischaracterized. Many folks who commit these atrocities are not

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Speaker 4: string diagnosable mental illness. They are lacking anger management skills,

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Speaker 4: they're lacking in conflict resolution, They're lacking in any number

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Speaker 4: of support systems, but you pair all of that with

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Speaker 4: easy access to firearms, and that's where it becomes this

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Speaker 4: national disaster. Why we have almost fifty thousand gun related

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Speaker 4: deaths in this country every single year.

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Speaker 1: You know, this is exactly why we have what I'm

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Speaker 1: hearing here today is exactly why we have this podcast.

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Speaker 1: Because you have Gavin who is taking his incredible success

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Speaker 1: and using it in a way to highlight something that

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Speaker 1: he cares passionately about. And we're putting the microphone in

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Speaker 1: front of Mark who has taken this unspeakable tragedy and

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Speaker 1: turned it into a force for good. So I want

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Speaker 1: to thank you both for what you're doing here, what

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Speaker 1: taking the time to hang out with me and speak

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Speaker 1: about this incredibly important issue. So Sandy Hook promised artists

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Speaker 1: for action New Bush record loaded. Look for new Bush

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Speaker 1: music coming down the down the Park, down the Pike.

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Speaker 1: Uh and uh and and if you get a chance

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Speaker 1: to hear Mark Bardon play, go here and play and

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Speaker 1: any anything anything besides November seventh that's coming up that

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Speaker 1: or you're playing out at all?

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Speaker 4: Mark, Oh, I have to think you know, I do

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Speaker 4: you know I'm trying to do as many pickup gigs

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Speaker 4: and and other things as I can. But Artists for

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Speaker 4: Action is going to be doing a series of very

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Speaker 4: important concerts across the country. So I think Nashville, Los Angeles,

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Speaker 4: San Francisco, or are some of the ones that are

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Speaker 4: on the on the slate. I don't have dates for

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Speaker 4: all of those yet, but I'll keep you in the loop. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: I'll never forget that that gig we did at n

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Speaker 4: y U on December seventh.

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Speaker 1: Kevin, Yeah, me either either. Thank you guys so much

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Speaker 1: for being here. I really do appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: Thanks love, Thank Kevin.

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Speaker 1: Thanks, Hey, guys, thanks for listening to another episode of

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Speaker 1: Six Degrees with Kevin Bacon. If you want to learn

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Speaker 1: more about Artists for Action, head to Artistfaction dot org.

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Speaker 1: Artist for Action dot org. You can find all the

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Speaker 1: links in our show notes, and if you like what

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