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Speaker 1: The Hotel Cecil is probably best known as the site

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Speaker 1: for the very sad death of Elisa Lamb in 2013,

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Speaker 1: or maybe you know it as a setting in American

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Speaker 1: Horror Story. It turns out that Elisa was just one

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Speaker 1: in an unusually long line of deaths that took place

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Speaker 1: than its fair share of tragedy since it was built

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Speaker 1: in 1924. I'll leave it to you to get to

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Speaker 1: the bottom of what's up with the Hotel Cecil. Welcome

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Speaker 1: to Stuff You Should Know, a production of iHeartRadio. Hey,

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Speaker 1: and welcome to the podcast. I'm Josh Clark, and there's

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Speaker 1: Charles W. Chuck Bryant over there, and Jerry's hanging around

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Speaker 1: in the sun here, lurking like an unison spirit in

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Speaker 1: a haunted hotel. And this is Stuff You Should Know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can... We do a couple of quick announcements.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, sure.

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Speaker 2: Without singing that announcement song.

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Speaker 1: Did we have an announcement song ever?

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Speaker 2: Well, not us, but like summer camp.

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Speaker 1: Okay.

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Speaker 2: You never did that?

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: Well, I'm not going to sing it now then.

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Speaker 1: I kind of want to hear it now.

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Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Was it like announcements, announcements? It's announcements time.

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Speaker 2: Sort of, almost. Yeah, that's close enough. Trigger warning for

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Speaker 2: this one. First announcement.

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: Because there's some grisly stuff in here. I guess that's

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Speaker 2: all we need to say. And then also, we've been

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Speaker 2: remiss in that we haven't mentioned the fact that there's

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Speaker 2: a Stuff You Should Know board game out.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's not grisly at all.

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Speaker 2: No, it's very family-friendly, in fact.

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Speaker 1: It's one of the highest honors that's ever been bestowed

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Speaker 1: upon us in Stuff You Should Know, Chuck, because out

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Trivial Pursuit. The makers of Trivial Pursuit got in touch

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Speaker 1: with us and said, we want to do a Stuff

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Speaker 1: You Should Know Trivial Pursuit game. And they did. It

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Speaker 1: wasn't a practical joke.

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Speaker 2: The fine people at Hasbro, who I got to say,

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Speaker 2: I mean, we've worked with a lot of outside companies

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Speaker 2: for various projects. And boy, Hasbro is about as tight

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Speaker 2: and buttoned up and awesome as any company we've ever

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Speaker 2: worked with. Right.

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Speaker 1: But also like super friendly, super fun, super nice.

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Speaker 2: Amazing.

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Speaker 1: And not in that creepy, everybody's trying to be nice way.

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Speaker 1: They're all just a genuinely pleasant group to work with.

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Speaker 1: But yes, they are super buttoned up as well. Very

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Speaker 1: rare animal.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they make games. They all seem like they make

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Speaker 2: games for a living, which would mean that you have

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Speaker 2: a pretty cool job. And developing the game with them

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Speaker 2: was fun. And the questions are based on real stuff

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Speaker 2: you should know, episodes. And it is not just Trivial Pursuit.

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Speaker 2: It is co-branded, so it is not Do not expect

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Speaker 2: to get the Trivial Pursuit game with the little pieces

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Speaker 2: of pie.

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Speaker 1: No, no.

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Speaker 2: Just want to be clear.

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Speaker 1: They said, we want to make up a brand new

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Speaker 1: game for this. Brand new game. And they did. They

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Speaker 1: made up a game. And this is the Stuff You

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Speaker 1: Should Know Trivial Pursuit game.

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Speaker 2: That's right. And you can get it wherever you get games.

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Speaker 2: I recommend your local little indie toy gaming store if

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Speaker 2: they have it. But otherwise, we would love to support.

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Speaker 1: You got a weirdo in your town who dresses up

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Speaker 2: A great Christmas gift, by the way.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. Also, why just stop there? It's great

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Speaker 2: I think it's like $ 20, right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like really, really reasonably priced, if you ask me. $ 20. $ 20.

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Speaker 1: You got two 20s in your wallet. You could buy

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Speaker 1: our book and the game at the same time. So

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Speaker 2: Sure. You can.

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Speaker 1: And now Chuck.

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Speaker 2: And now the Hotel Cecil.

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Speaker 1: Yes. On to the show. So I'm glad you did

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Speaker 1: But at the same time, it goes even further than that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I guess, you know, the first part of

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Speaker 2: in the Stay on Main section. Stayed on Main?

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Speaker 1: Mm-hmm.

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Speaker 2: But that's just to point out the fact that the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think there's like 30. But there's, like you said,

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Speaker 1: But you said it, that the Cecil Hotel, which is

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Speaker 1: like a pretty nice hotel designed for middle class travelers

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Speaker 1: Lots of terrazzo tile and, uh, columns and there's fake, um,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is in large part because, like you said,

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Speaker 1: And I get the impression that the area that's now

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Speaker 1: Cecil when it first opened in either 1924 or 1927,

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Speaker 1: So, okay. So the Cecil Hotel starts to get a

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Speaker 2: never went over there much unless someone came to town

439
00:23:42,869 --> 00:23:43,750
Speaker 2: and wanted to go to the beach.

440
00:23:43,770 --> 00:23:44,770
Speaker 1: Oh, that makes sense. Sure.

441
00:23:45,330 --> 00:23:47,230
Speaker 2: So, and, you know, I was broke back then, so

442
00:23:47,310 --> 00:23:49,250
Speaker 2: it could have been like a little staycation.

443
00:23:49,650 --> 00:23:50,399
Speaker 1: Did you ever do it?

444
00:23:51,150 --> 00:23:51,430
Speaker 2: Nah.

445
00:23:51,609 --> 00:23:51,810
Speaker 1: No.

446
00:23:53,170 --> 00:23:54,810
Speaker 2: It's one of those things you think about late night

447
00:23:54,830 --> 00:23:57,119
Speaker 2: and then you wake up the next day and you're like, nah.

448
00:23:57,130 --> 00:24:00,840
Speaker 1: Yeah. You blew all your money on Taco Bell instead?

449
00:24:02,220 --> 00:24:03,600
Speaker 2: Oh, man. I miss Taco Bell.

450
00:24:03,980 --> 00:24:04,640
Speaker 1: Do you? I don't.

451
00:24:07,140 --> 00:24:08,869
Speaker 2: I mean, I didn't eat it that much, but I

452
00:24:08,990 --> 00:24:09,830
Speaker 2: haven't had it in years.

453
00:24:10,250 --> 00:24:12,150
Speaker 1: I've had too much, I think, was my problem.

454
00:24:12,869 --> 00:24:16,830
Speaker 2: Oh, okay. Was that the deal? By the way, side note,

455
00:24:16,850 --> 00:24:20,270
Speaker 2: speaking of weird late night foods, we had a guy

456
00:24:20,310 --> 00:24:22,429
Speaker 2: on our front door camera the other day come in

457
00:24:22,470 --> 00:24:25,710
Speaker 2: the middle of the night and leave a package. And

458
00:24:25,730 --> 00:24:28,179
Speaker 2: we were like, what is this? We went out the

459
00:24:28,220 --> 00:24:32,420
Speaker 2: next day and it was a bag full of crystals. Wow.

460
00:24:33,060 --> 00:24:36,310
Speaker 2: And I think it was a delivery, like a door

461
00:24:36,330 --> 00:24:36,930
Speaker 2: dash or something.

462
00:24:36,950 --> 00:24:39,290
Speaker 1: Oh, crystals. I thought you meant like amethysts.

463
00:24:39,590 --> 00:24:41,709
Speaker 2: No, no, no. I mean, tiny square sliders.

464
00:24:42,190 --> 00:24:43,690
Speaker 1: He had the wrong address.

465
00:24:44,510 --> 00:24:45,070
Speaker 2: I think so.

466
00:24:45,450 --> 00:24:49,020
Speaker 1: Either that or your daughter has mastered the telephone by now.

467
00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:51,979
Speaker 2: It was really weird. And of course, the first thing

468
00:24:52,020 --> 00:24:56,300
Speaker 2: I did was feel terrible that someone's late night munchies

469
00:24:56,340 --> 00:24:57,220
Speaker 2: didn't get satisfied.

470
00:24:57,280 --> 00:24:59,700
Speaker 1: Did you eat them the next morning? Just as a homage?

471
00:24:59,720 --> 00:25:00,760
Speaker 2: Oh, God, no.

472
00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:03,700
Speaker 1: No, no, no. No? You don't like crystals? Or was

473
00:25:03,720 --> 00:25:05,100
Speaker 1: it because it was sitting there overnight?

474
00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: Both. I never was into crystal for some reason.

475
00:25:08,700 --> 00:25:09,880
Speaker 1: Man, I like crystals.

476
00:25:11,310 --> 00:25:13,170
Speaker 2: It was the thing. I just was, I don't know why.

477
00:25:13,490 --> 00:25:15,010
Speaker 2: I think I was just a Waffle House guy.

478
00:25:15,910 --> 00:25:18,609
Speaker 1: I don't, I'm fine with Waffle House too. The big

479
00:25:18,630 --> 00:25:20,810
Speaker 1: problem with crystals though, Chuck, I'll tell you, is they're

480
00:25:20,869 --> 00:25:25,190
Speaker 1: fries or Probably the worst fries of any fast food.

481
00:25:25,290 --> 00:25:30,550
Speaker 1: They're the most bland. Somehow, if you just bit into

482
00:25:30,590 --> 00:25:33,670
Speaker 1: a raw potato, it would be less bland and tasteless

483
00:25:33,710 --> 00:25:35,570
Speaker 1: than if you ate a Crystal's Fry.

484
00:25:35,990 --> 00:25:36,470
Speaker 2: Yeah.

485
00:25:36,490 --> 00:25:37,330
Speaker 1: I don't know how they do it.

486
00:25:38,890 --> 00:25:41,170
Speaker 2: And if you're from the other places in the country,

487
00:25:41,850 --> 00:25:44,210
Speaker 2: White Castle is sort of an analog to Crystal.

488
00:25:44,270 --> 00:25:45,250
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah.

489
00:25:46,350 --> 00:25:51,340
Speaker 2: Anyway, this is not an episode of the Doughboys. This

490
00:25:51,380 --> 00:25:54,230
Speaker 2: is stuff you should know. And back to Elisa Lam,

491
00:25:55,450 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: she was supposed to be there for about, I think,

492
00:25:57,640 --> 00:26:02,900
Speaker 2: four days and check out on February 1st and did

493
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:04,919
Speaker 2: not get in touch with her parents like she had

494
00:26:04,960 --> 00:26:09,540
Speaker 2: been doing each day. She had been seen shopping for

495
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,379
Speaker 2: books at a nearby bookstore and then bought some books.

496
00:26:13,220 --> 00:26:15,530
Speaker 2: And this is one of the things in the documentary, like,

497
00:26:16,050 --> 00:26:17,750
Speaker 2: you know, they didn't really have any footage of her

498
00:26:17,830 --> 00:26:21,300
Speaker 2: with any other people inside the hotel. before her disappearance.

499
00:26:21,340 --> 00:26:24,240
Speaker 1: Well, she was also reported to be constantly by herself too,

500
00:26:24,280 --> 00:26:26,160
Speaker 1: by people who saw her. Yeah.

501
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:30,200
Speaker 2: I mean, she was traveling alone. So that, that makes sense. But, um, she,

502
00:26:30,380 --> 00:26:33,100
Speaker 2: she did get handed off. There were two gentlemen that

503
00:26:33,160 --> 00:26:36,220
Speaker 2: handed off a kind of a largest, uh, large-ish box

504
00:26:36,260 --> 00:26:36,580
Speaker 2: to her.

505
00:26:36,600 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah.

506
00:26:37,340 --> 00:26:40,690
Speaker 2: On camera in front of the hotel. And of course

507
00:26:40,710 --> 00:26:43,050
Speaker 2: the internet sleuths are like, who are these guys? What

508
00:26:43,090 --> 00:26:45,790
Speaker 2: was in the box? And apparently in the box were

509
00:26:45,810 --> 00:26:48,550
Speaker 2: these books that she got because she had spoken with

510
00:26:48,570 --> 00:26:51,250
Speaker 2: the book read, um, seller, um, About like the size

511
00:26:51,290 --> 00:26:52,490
Speaker 2: of them. And boy, I don't even know if I

512
00:26:52,510 --> 00:26:55,449
Speaker 2: can carry these. And I think had them delivered to

513
00:26:55,470 --> 00:26:58,950
Speaker 2: the hotel or whatever. So kind of nothing to see here.

514
00:26:59,150 --> 00:27:01,890
Speaker 2: And another example of how annoying this case can be

515
00:27:01,930 --> 00:27:04,510
Speaker 2: with people online speculating like wrong stuff.

516
00:27:04,670 --> 00:27:04,890
Speaker 1: Yeah.

517
00:27:05,650 --> 00:27:05,810
Speaker 2: Yeah.

518
00:27:06,369 --> 00:27:08,669
Speaker 1: Can be a little annoying for sure. But yes, so

519
00:27:08,710 --> 00:27:12,550
Speaker 1: she was she was alone traveling alone. I think she

520
00:27:12,750 --> 00:27:15,750
Speaker 1: started out in San Diego or at least her last

521
00:27:15,930 --> 00:27:18,030
Speaker 1: stop had been San Diego. Her next stop was going

522
00:27:18,050 --> 00:27:21,660
Speaker 1: to be Santa Cruz. And yeah, her parents have been like, okay,

523
00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:25,220
Speaker 1: you need to call us every single day. And she

524
00:27:25,260 --> 00:27:29,600
Speaker 1: had been pretty faithfully until that February 1st came and

525
00:27:29,619 --> 00:27:32,180
Speaker 1: went with no call. And I believe they pretty much

526
00:27:32,240 --> 00:27:35,660
Speaker 1: immediately contacted the hotel and the LAPD and said, hey,

527
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,960
Speaker 1: you know, our daughter hasn't checked in. Can you see

528
00:27:38,980 --> 00:27:41,790
Speaker 1: what's going on? I don't know if they did it

529
00:27:41,869 --> 00:27:45,369
Speaker 1: on February 1st or not, but in pretty short order,

530
00:27:45,410 --> 00:27:49,439
Speaker 1: the LAPD determined that She she was just gone. She

531
00:27:49,480 --> 00:27:52,420
Speaker 1: wasn't she was nowhere to be found and that there

532
00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,340
Speaker 1: was some suspiciousness going on for sure.

533
00:27:56,340 --> 00:27:58,570
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they did a thorough inspection. They went

534
00:27:58,609 --> 00:28:01,090
Speaker 2: to her room. They had found that the hotel had

535
00:28:01,730 --> 00:28:04,390
Speaker 2: gathered all her stuff and bagged it and was holding

536
00:28:04,430 --> 00:28:09,369
Speaker 2: it in storage, which was regular protocol when someone doesn't

537
00:28:09,410 --> 00:28:12,490
Speaker 2: check out and just leave stuff. Nothing shady going on there.

538
00:28:12,510 --> 00:28:16,370
Speaker 2: They checked around the hotel in the alleyways and sidewalks.

539
00:28:16,410 --> 00:28:18,890
Speaker 2: They checked up on the roof. They didn't find anything.

540
00:28:18,910 --> 00:28:23,210
Speaker 2: And things got really strange. And I guess we should

541
00:28:23,230 --> 00:28:26,230
Speaker 2: take another ad break here. But things got really strange

542
00:28:26,310 --> 00:28:29,830
Speaker 2: when the hotel sent them footage from inside the elevator

543
00:28:30,210 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 2: of the Cecil Hotel. And we'll get to that right

544
00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:32,660
Speaker 2: after this.

545
00:28:51,560 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: All right, Chuck. So Elisa Lam is now known to

546
00:28:54,060 --> 00:28:56,459
Speaker 1: be missing. She left her stuff behind at the Cecil

547
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:59,280
Speaker 1: Hotel and she didn't check out. She didn't call her

548
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:04,700
Speaker 1: parents as she usually did. And she's officially a missing person.

549
00:29:06,140 --> 00:29:08,880
Speaker 1: Within a couple of days, I think maybe February 6th,

550
00:29:09,000 --> 00:29:12,420
Speaker 1: the police held a press conference and explained what was

551
00:29:12,460 --> 00:29:17,900
Speaker 1: going on to the public. And basically asked for everybody's help.

552
00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,900
Speaker 1: And if anyone had any info, you know, where did

553
00:29:20,940 --> 00:29:24,070
Speaker 1: she go? Where is she? How's she doing? Is she OK?

554
00:29:25,550 --> 00:29:28,170
Speaker 1: And I guess I don't I didn't see anything about

555
00:29:28,250 --> 00:29:31,910
Speaker 1: any get any crazy leads or anything like that. It

556
00:29:31,950 --> 00:29:35,870
Speaker 1: doesn't seem to have really kind of captured the public's

557
00:29:35,930 --> 00:29:38,790
Speaker 1: interest at first. And I saw there's this guy named

558
00:29:38,830 --> 00:29:43,640
Speaker 1: Josh Dean who's written written several articles on the Elisa

559
00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:48,780
Speaker 1: Lam disappearance. And I believe one of the ones that

560
00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:52,210
Speaker 1: he wrote kind of pinpoints why there wasn't a huge

561
00:29:52,710 --> 00:29:56,010
Speaker 1: public interest in the first like week or even two

562
00:29:56,610 --> 00:30:00,910
Speaker 1: of her case. It was because Christopher Dorner had gone

563
00:30:01,010 --> 00:30:04,990
Speaker 1: on his rampage against the LAPD, basically declared war on

564
00:30:05,010 --> 00:30:08,610
Speaker 1: the LAPD and was killed in, I think, the mountains

565
00:30:08,650 --> 00:30:12,590
Speaker 1: of San Bernardino in a standoff, like right when Elisa

566
00:30:12,630 --> 00:30:16,150
Speaker 1: Lam went missing. So not only was the public's attention

567
00:30:16,250 --> 00:30:19,910
Speaker 1: on this, especially in L.A., the LAPD's attention was definitely

568
00:30:20,010 --> 00:30:22,930
Speaker 1: on that as well. So Elisa Lam was kind of

569
00:30:22,990 --> 00:30:26,620
Speaker 1: like this faint little chirp in this huge maelstrom at

570
00:30:26,660 --> 00:30:27,060
Speaker 1: the time.

571
00:30:28,420 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 2: They ain't chirping in Maelstrom.

572
00:30:30,260 --> 00:30:31,940
Speaker 1: It's the best I could come up with on short notes.

573
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:33,060
Speaker 2: It's amazing. Are you kidding me?

574
00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:33,460
Speaker 1: Oh, thanks.

575
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:35,350
Speaker 2: You just made that up?

576
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:38,000
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I did. You like it?

577
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:40,810
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I just have a feeling that next time

578
00:30:40,870 --> 00:30:42,710
Speaker 2: I'm in your house, it's going to be like, that's

579
00:30:42,730 --> 00:30:44,510
Speaker 2: going to be carved into your desk or something. Right.

580
00:30:45,550 --> 00:30:46,610
Speaker 1: It's on a t-shirt.

581
00:30:47,270 --> 00:30:50,850
Speaker 2: Right. That you put, you make Momo wear that t-shirt

582
00:30:50,870 --> 00:30:51,230
Speaker 2: every day.

583
00:30:51,310 --> 00:30:52,910
Speaker 1: That's right.

584
00:30:53,050 --> 00:30:55,150
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, the other big reason was until

585
00:30:55,190 --> 00:30:59,600
Speaker 2: this footage actually came out of the elevator in uh, car, then,

586
00:30:59,700 --> 00:31:03,700
Speaker 2: you know, that's when, um, that's when the public's attention

587
00:31:03,870 --> 00:31:04,740
Speaker 2: really caught hold.

588
00:31:04,790 --> 00:31:05,770
Speaker 1: That changed everything.

589
00:31:06,470 --> 00:31:08,670
Speaker 2: Yeah. I mean, there's no way around it. It's, it's

590
00:31:08,910 --> 00:31:12,470
Speaker 2: a very sort of unsettling. And I remember when this happened, uh,

591
00:31:12,870 --> 00:31:14,490
Speaker 2: before any of the facts of the case were kind

592
00:31:14,510 --> 00:31:17,750
Speaker 2: of out, I remember looking at this video and it

593
00:31:18,030 --> 00:31:20,410
Speaker 2: is very unsettling and it does appear to be very

594
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 2: creepy and that, uh, a young woman gets on an elevator, um,

595
00:31:24,710 --> 00:31:27,840
Speaker 2: very kind of casually presses all the center buttons, uh,

596
00:31:28,350 --> 00:31:30,560
Speaker 2: on all the floors. I think they determined she was

597
00:31:30,630 --> 00:31:33,420
Speaker 2: on the 14th floor and sort of pressed all the

598
00:31:33,460 --> 00:31:38,620
Speaker 2: floors on the way down. Elevator doesn't do anything. The

599
00:31:38,640 --> 00:31:41,820
Speaker 2: doors don't shut. She moves to the back corner and

600
00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:45,820
Speaker 2: sort of standing there. She goes and she looks outside

601
00:31:45,860 --> 00:31:48,300
Speaker 2: of the elevator both ways a couple of times in

602
00:31:48,320 --> 00:31:51,240
Speaker 2: the hallway and then kind of retreats back quickly. At

603
00:31:52,360 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 2: one point, she steps out into the hallway and appears

604
00:31:55,500 --> 00:31:59,260
Speaker 2: to be gesturing towards somebody or she's at least making

605
00:31:59,300 --> 00:32:02,140
Speaker 2: hand gestures to the right down the hallway.

606
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. And they're unusual hand gestures. They're not like the

607
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: normal hand gestures you might make. They're not at all

608
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:12,540
Speaker 1: subtle or casual or almost even like, like, you know,

609
00:32:13,660 --> 00:32:15,640
Speaker 1: you might not even realize you're using your hands when

610
00:32:15,660 --> 00:32:19,380
Speaker 1: you're talking sometimes. Like these are, these are more gesticulations

611
00:32:19,460 --> 00:32:21,400
Speaker 1: than just mere gestures. You know what I mean?

612
00:32:22,200 --> 00:32:25,070
Speaker 2: Yeah. And you know, there's, there's no doubt. And eventually

613
00:32:25,130 --> 00:32:28,060
Speaker 2: she kind of, leaves around to the left and exits

614
00:32:28,100 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: to the left and the door stays open for a

615
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,840
Speaker 2: while before it shuts um but there's no getting around

616
00:32:33,860 --> 00:32:36,280
Speaker 2: the fact that it having known nothing and knowing that

617
00:32:36,360 --> 00:32:39,500
Speaker 2: this person disappeared uh this young woman and then you

618
00:32:39,560 --> 00:32:42,980
Speaker 2: see this it seems very suspicious um.

619
00:32:43,040 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: And creepy i don't think it's creepy i think.

620
00:32:45,620 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 2: It looks i don't even think it looks that creepy

621
00:32:47,660 --> 00:32:50,340
Speaker 2: it looks to me like That she is trying to

622
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:52,620
Speaker 2: get away from someone and is afraid someone has followed

623
00:32:52,640 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 2: her or is gesturing at a person who she feels

624
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,770
Speaker 2: threatened by. It's what it looks like to me. I

625
00:32:57,790 --> 00:33:02,050
Speaker 2: know other people online talk about otherworldly spirits. And she's

626
00:33:02,470 --> 00:33:05,790
Speaker 2: like you said earlier, she's conjuring spirits with her hands.

627
00:33:05,810 --> 00:33:09,410
Speaker 2: Like I just that never occurred to me. It just

628
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:11,910
Speaker 2: looked like she might be in some kind of peril

629
00:33:11,970 --> 00:33:14,030
Speaker 2: and was trying to get away from someone. Right.

630
00:33:15,190 --> 00:33:17,160
Speaker 1: But that's creepy in and of itself, you know.

631
00:33:17,990 --> 00:33:21,750
Speaker 2: Yeah, I just mean not creepy in, like, a supernatural, like,

632
00:33:21,770 --> 00:33:22,650
Speaker 2: what's going on here way.

633
00:33:22,970 --> 00:33:24,810
Speaker 1: No, I think the thing that really, when it really

634
00:33:24,850 --> 00:33:27,700
Speaker 1: turns creepy to me is when she turns around and

635
00:33:27,740 --> 00:33:32,720
Speaker 1: hides in the corner of the elevator. Like, she's hiding.

636
00:33:33,180 --> 00:33:36,760
Speaker 1: And then the second part that's genuinely creepy is when she, like,

637
00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,650
Speaker 1: leans out and, like, looks both ways and then kind

638
00:33:39,690 --> 00:33:42,990
Speaker 1: of jumps back into the elevator. It's just, I mean,

639
00:33:43,210 --> 00:33:45,170
Speaker 1: it's really hard not to kind of put yourself in

640
00:33:45,210 --> 00:33:49,229
Speaker 1: her shoes. And she's clearly frightened. And to see somebody

641
00:33:49,330 --> 00:33:52,290
Speaker 1: frightened like that, it's creepy.

642
00:33:53,170 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 2: And you're waiting on someone to enter the elevator, but

643
00:33:57,260 --> 00:34:02,020
Speaker 2: that never happens. And with the internet sleuthing, you couldn't

644
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:05,100
Speaker 2: really make out the time code very well. And so

645
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:07,300
Speaker 2: all the people online are like, well, why can't you

646
00:34:07,340 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: make out the time code and the timestamps? Like what

647
00:34:10,060 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: would degrade that and not the rest of it? And

648
00:34:13,180 --> 00:34:17,920
Speaker 2: then they think they decoded it and there's almost a

649
00:34:18,160 --> 00:34:21,320
Speaker 2: full minute missing in the hotel. Cecil edited out a

650
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,020
Speaker 2: portion clearly. And before they send it to the cops and,

651
00:34:24,520 --> 00:34:26,520
Speaker 2: and they interviewed the woman and that you were talking

652
00:34:26,540 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 2: about the manager. And she was like, no, of course

653
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,430
Speaker 2: we didn't edit anything out. Like we were horrified by

654
00:34:31,469 --> 00:34:33,550
Speaker 2: this disappearance. It just sent him everything we had.

655
00:34:34,290 --> 00:34:37,290
Speaker 1: Right. Plus I'm sure also that most of the employees

656
00:34:37,330 --> 00:34:39,990
Speaker 1: that stay on main know exactly how to edit video

657
00:34:40,130 --> 00:34:43,549
Speaker 1: out before handing things over to the cops. Anyway, it

658
00:34:43,590 --> 00:34:46,830
Speaker 1: is LA. That's true. That is a good point. Actually.

659
00:34:47,530 --> 00:34:49,489
Speaker 2: But I don't buy it. I think it was, it

660
00:34:49,590 --> 00:34:53,170
Speaker 2: is what it was, which was, uh, a person in

661
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:57,370
Speaker 2: an elevator who had some, uh, was having some mental

662
00:34:57,430 --> 00:35:00,399
Speaker 2: issues and, you know, we'll get to that in a second. Um,

663
00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:03,319
Speaker 2: and I think, you know, it's sort of like, uh,

664
00:35:03,460 --> 00:35:07,120
Speaker 2: the easiest explanation of the video, at least to me,

665
00:35:07,140 --> 00:35:08,860
Speaker 2: it seems to be the most accurate.

666
00:35:09,219 --> 00:35:12,299
Speaker 1: All right. Um, that, that's what I buy. That's how

667
00:35:12,340 --> 00:35:16,270
Speaker 1: I buy it too. Um, So that video was released

668
00:35:16,310 --> 00:35:19,190
Speaker 1: on February 13th, and now all of a sudden the

669
00:35:19,230 --> 00:35:23,780
Speaker 1: public is taking notice. She becomes an internet meme almost

670
00:35:23,880 --> 00:35:28,020
Speaker 1: overnight with people watching and analyzing that video, like you

671
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 1: were saying. And yet they still can't find her. No

672
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:32,660
Speaker 1: one has any idea where she is. It's been two

673
00:35:32,700 --> 00:35:35,850
Speaker 1: weeks now since she went missing. This video is out there.

674
00:35:36,350 --> 00:35:40,650
Speaker 1: The entire internet is on the case now. And it

675
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:43,070
Speaker 1: wasn't until a couple days, I think two days after

676
00:35:44,070 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 1: The video came out, Chuck, that one of the guys,

677
00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: one of the custodians of the Cecil Hotel of Stay

678
00:35:51,660 --> 00:35:55,260
Speaker 1: on Main, I should say, was asked to go check

679
00:35:55,420 --> 00:35:59,300
Speaker 1: on the water supply on the roof because the Cecil

680
00:35:59,340 --> 00:36:06,130
Speaker 1: Hotel used gravity fed water. They had four 1,000 gallon

681
00:36:06,250 --> 00:36:10,100
Speaker 1: tanks on the top of the roof. And when you

682
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,980
Speaker 1: open the tap, the water would come pouring down from

683
00:36:13,020 --> 00:36:16,180
Speaker 1: those tanks into your room and out the faucet. And

684
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,960
Speaker 1: some of the tenants, I don't know if it was

685
00:36:19,020 --> 00:36:21,460
Speaker 1: just the hotel or some long-term tenants, but they were

686
00:36:21,500 --> 00:36:24,800
Speaker 1: complaining that the water pressure had suddenly gotten really low

687
00:36:25,580 --> 00:36:29,509
Speaker 1: and that the water that was coming out had a

688
00:36:29,530 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: strange odor and taste and weird kind of color to it.

689
00:36:34,180 --> 00:36:38,100
Speaker 1: And so they dispatched the custodian to the roof Um,

690
00:36:38,420 --> 00:36:40,420
Speaker 1: and he went and checked and I think as he

691
00:36:40,460 --> 00:36:43,959
Speaker 1: was approaching the, the main water tank, I think tank

692
00:36:44,020 --> 00:36:47,259
Speaker 1: number one, he noticed that the hatch was open and, uh,

693
00:36:47,500 --> 00:36:50,620
Speaker 1: in very short order made a, the, the grizzly discovery

694
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:53,320
Speaker 1: of Elisa Lamb's body. Yeah.

695
00:36:53,600 --> 00:36:55,400
Speaker 2: He was, uh, he was kind of like the super,

696
00:36:55,460 --> 00:36:58,739
Speaker 2: he was a maintenance guy. His name is Santiago Lopez

697
00:36:59,460 --> 00:37:02,080
Speaker 2: and he's in the documentary too. Um, I don't think

698
00:37:02,100 --> 00:37:03,990
Speaker 2: he saw the hatch cause the hatch is on top

699
00:37:04,010 --> 00:37:06,830
Speaker 2: of the tank. But he went to go and he

700
00:37:06,870 --> 00:37:08,549
Speaker 2: said it was a routine thing if there was any

701
00:37:08,590 --> 00:37:11,230
Speaker 2: kind of water issue was to climb the ladder to

702
00:37:11,250 --> 00:37:13,009
Speaker 2: the tanks and go look and see what was going

703
00:37:13,130 --> 00:37:16,870
Speaker 2: on because there's probably a clog or something. And he

704
00:37:16,969 --> 00:37:22,910
Speaker 2: saw her body naked about a foot below the water,

705
00:37:22,930 --> 00:37:26,410
Speaker 2: just sort of suspended there. And, you know, when they

706
00:37:26,430 --> 00:37:29,009
Speaker 2: interviewed this guy in the documentary, it's really sad. You know,

707
00:37:29,050 --> 00:37:30,339
Speaker 2: he was sort of at the center of a lot

708
00:37:30,380 --> 00:37:34,740
Speaker 2: of this with interviews and He he was speaking through it,

709
00:37:35,010 --> 00:37:37,330
Speaker 2: I guess not through a translator, but through subtitles. But

710
00:37:37,530 --> 00:37:40,330
Speaker 2: he was clearly, you know, still very upset about this.

711
00:37:40,430 --> 00:37:44,270
Speaker 2: And it scarred him to see this woman floating in

712
00:37:44,290 --> 00:37:47,299
Speaker 2: the tank. And he knew immediately who it was and

713
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:50,140
Speaker 2: called down to the hotel manager who we've been talking

714
00:37:50,180 --> 00:37:52,700
Speaker 2: about and said, you know, she's she's up here in

715
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:56,899
Speaker 2: the tank. And, you know, the cops came. They found

716
00:37:56,940 --> 00:37:59,290
Speaker 2: her clothes, which were determined to be the same clothes.

717
00:37:59,910 --> 00:38:02,830
Speaker 2: She was wearing in the elevator video kind of at

718
00:38:02,850 --> 00:38:06,149
Speaker 2: the bottom of the tank. They had sunk. And, you know,

719
00:38:06,250 --> 00:38:09,680
Speaker 2: immediately the new mystery is not what's going on in

720
00:38:09,719 --> 00:38:12,200
Speaker 2: this video. Although, you know, that played a part because

721
00:38:12,219 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 2: they were still trying to figure that out as far

722
00:38:14,180 --> 00:38:17,860
Speaker 2: as foul play goes. But was how she made it

723
00:38:17,920 --> 00:38:20,339
Speaker 2: in here and and why she made it in there.

724
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:24,900
Speaker 1: Yeah, because she she it was like the hatch is

725
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:27,660
Speaker 1: not easy to get. in or out of, they had

726
00:38:27,700 --> 00:38:29,900
Speaker 1: to like cut her out of the, they had to

727
00:38:29,920 --> 00:38:31,380
Speaker 1: cut a hole in the bottom of the tank so

728
00:38:31,400 --> 00:38:33,920
Speaker 1: they could access it, right? They couldn't just pull her

729
00:38:33,960 --> 00:38:37,020
Speaker 1: back out of that hatch. So that's kind of weird

730
00:38:37,060 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 1: in and of itself. She's also nude. That also kind

731
00:38:40,700 --> 00:38:43,900
Speaker 1: of added to the mystery of the whole thing. And

732
00:38:43,940 --> 00:38:49,180
Speaker 1: then also the, you know, the coroner, when he made

733
00:38:49,340 --> 00:38:52,880
Speaker 1: his toxicology report available, he basically said it was, he

734
00:38:52,900 --> 00:38:57,240
Speaker 1: wasn't able to make any conclusive statements find any conclusive

735
00:38:57,280 --> 00:39:00,640
Speaker 1: results because there wasn't enough blood to take a sample from.

736
00:39:01,040 --> 00:39:03,860
Speaker 1: You know, she just kind of permeated the water in

737
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,880
Speaker 1: that her blood had. And it wasn't you just couldn't

738
00:39:07,900 --> 00:39:10,219
Speaker 1: like take a water sample and be like, oh, yeah,

739
00:39:10,260 --> 00:39:12,790
Speaker 1: there's no you know, there's no drugs in here or

740
00:39:12,830 --> 00:39:16,129
Speaker 1: anything like that. So all of that combined really kind

741
00:39:16,190 --> 00:39:21,419
Speaker 1: of just. just took that mystery, you know, that people

742
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:23,600
Speaker 1: had been primed to start thinking about with that video

743
00:39:23,640 --> 00:39:26,060
Speaker 1: and then just blew it through the the roof you

744
00:39:26,100 --> 00:39:29,900
Speaker 1: know i mean the the the water being you know

745
00:39:29,980 --> 00:39:33,060
Speaker 1: going to other people's taps in the hotel and you

746
00:39:33,080 --> 00:39:35,300
Speaker 1: know lisa lamb basically being a part of that water

747
00:39:35,600 --> 00:39:40,950
Speaker 1: really kind of solidified her legendary status or the legendary

748
00:39:40,989 --> 00:39:43,810
Speaker 1: status of her mystery i think in people's imagination anybody

749
00:39:43,830 --> 00:39:46,430
Speaker 1: who comes across that case can't help but like let

750
00:39:46,469 --> 00:39:49,150
Speaker 1: the mind wander in that respect Oh.

751
00:39:49,180 --> 00:39:51,380
Speaker 2: For sure. I mean, the idea of drinking water and

752
00:39:51,400 --> 00:39:54,380
Speaker 2: bathing in water with a decomposing body. I mean, the

753
00:39:54,420 --> 00:39:58,460
Speaker 2: body was in a pretty rough state of decomposition at

754
00:39:58,500 --> 00:40:02,380
Speaker 2: that point. They did do, obviously, in the autopsy, they

755
00:40:02,420 --> 00:40:06,820
Speaker 2: didn't find any signs of foul play. There were obviously

756
00:40:06,860 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 2: no obvious wounds. There were no internal wounds. There was

757
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 2: no strangulation. They pretty much said this doesn't look like

758
00:40:16,340 --> 00:40:19,350
Speaker 2: foul play at all. Um, the one, one of the

759
00:40:19,390 --> 00:40:23,130
Speaker 2: mysteries was how she got up there because you, um,

760
00:40:23,510 --> 00:40:25,330
Speaker 2: if you want to go just through the regular staircase

761
00:40:25,370 --> 00:40:27,830
Speaker 2: to the rooftop, and this is not a rooftop that you,

762
00:40:28,469 --> 00:40:30,270
Speaker 2: you know, it doesn't have like a rooftop hangout area

763
00:40:30,310 --> 00:40:33,230
Speaker 2: or whatever, although people, you know, there was plenty of

764
00:40:33,270 --> 00:40:36,430
Speaker 2: graffiti and beer bottles and drug needles. And so people

765
00:40:36,489 --> 00:40:39,030
Speaker 2: would make their way up there. But, uh, if you

766
00:40:39,070 --> 00:40:41,440
Speaker 2: go through the regular door, it's one of the, um,

767
00:40:41,640 --> 00:40:46,360
Speaker 2: alarm doors, which would trigger downstairs and all throughout the lobby. Um,

768
00:40:46,500 --> 00:40:48,370
Speaker 2: that never came on. and you have to have a

769
00:40:48,390 --> 00:40:51,940
Speaker 2: key to disable it, but there is a fire escape, uh,

770
00:40:52,670 --> 00:40:55,790
Speaker 2: entry with a ladder basically for the last, like for

771
00:40:55,810 --> 00:40:58,969
Speaker 2: the last story, it's a little precarious, but she could

772
00:40:59,010 --> 00:41:01,850
Speaker 2: have just simply gone out the window to the fire

773
00:41:01,890 --> 00:41:04,049
Speaker 2: escape and climbed up the ladder and then up the

774
00:41:04,070 --> 00:41:08,430
Speaker 2: ladder to the tanks. It's not, you know, it's a little, um,

775
00:41:09,210 --> 00:41:10,910
Speaker 2: it would be a little bit of a scary trip

776
00:41:11,030 --> 00:41:15,259
Speaker 2: up that ladder, I think. But, uh, considering what happened, she, she,

777
00:41:15,640 --> 00:41:18,130
Speaker 2: clearly was, uh, was not in a good place mentally.

778
00:41:18,170 --> 00:41:20,250
Speaker 2: So I think that's completely believable.

779
00:41:20,730 --> 00:41:24,070
Speaker 1: That journalist, Josh Dean, um, went in, I think, 2015

780
00:41:24,070 --> 00:41:28,870
Speaker 1: to see the CISO himself. He had, uh, gotten obsessed

781
00:41:28,910 --> 00:41:32,469
Speaker 1: with the, the, um, case. So he went and kind

782
00:41:32,510 --> 00:41:36,300
Speaker 1: of investigated it in person. And, um, he quickly found

783
00:41:36,340 --> 00:41:39,819
Speaker 1: that open window was still open, uh, and the fire

784
00:41:39,860 --> 00:41:43,610
Speaker 1: escape was easily accessible. And, um, in the, uh, I

785
00:41:43,630 --> 00:41:46,550
Speaker 1: think one of his articles is called American Horror Story,

786
00:41:47,110 --> 00:41:50,270
Speaker 1: which is a reference to what I think the hotel

787
00:41:50,310 --> 00:41:53,270
Speaker 1: season of American Horror Story was based on or inspired

788
00:41:53,310 --> 00:41:57,930
Speaker 1: by Elisa Lam's disappearance. But there's a picture that he

789
00:41:57,989 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 1: took of that ladder leading from the fire escape on

790
00:42:01,719 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 1: the 15th or 14th floor up to the roof. And

791
00:42:06,540 --> 00:42:08,540
Speaker 1: all you see is up, like you just see the

792
00:42:08,580 --> 00:42:11,780
Speaker 1: ladder and then above it is sky. But after reading

793
00:42:11,860 --> 00:42:16,660
Speaker 1: about it, your imagination just thinks of like the 15

794
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:20,319
Speaker 1: stories behind you. Like as you're, you know, as you're

795
00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,920
Speaker 1: looking up this ladder, it's one of the most unsettling

796
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:26,200
Speaker 1: pictures I've ever seen. If you read the text, you know,

797
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:30,700
Speaker 1: that surround it. But he said by his judgment, an

798
00:42:31,070 --> 00:42:33,990
Speaker 1: average person could easily make it up that ladder, especially

799
00:42:34,030 --> 00:42:36,910
Speaker 1: if you don't look down. He said, if you're carrying

800
00:42:36,969 --> 00:42:39,520
Speaker 1: a body or another person, you could not do it.

801
00:42:39,770 --> 00:42:41,410
Speaker 1: He said, it just would be too difficult.

802
00:42:41,900 --> 00:42:43,860
Speaker 2: And, you know, it's one of those straight up vertical

803
00:42:43,900 --> 00:42:45,100
Speaker 2: ladders on the side of the building.

804
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:47,299
Speaker 1: Yeah. But if you were in a manic state, as

805
00:42:47,560 --> 00:42:51,600
Speaker 1: a lot of people believe Elisa Lam was, you could

806
00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,140
Speaker 1: probably make it up that ladder pretty quickly. You wouldn't

807
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:56,819
Speaker 1: even necessarily consider looking down and all of a sudden

808
00:42:56,860 --> 00:42:58,520
Speaker 1: you'd be on the roof. And after you were on

809
00:42:58,560 --> 00:43:01,219
Speaker 1: the roof, it would be a fairly easy proposition to

810
00:43:01,260 --> 00:43:04,259
Speaker 1: get into one of those tanks, especially I think she

811
00:43:04,280 --> 00:43:06,540
Speaker 1: weighed about one hundred and fifteen pounds and was about

812
00:43:06,820 --> 00:43:10,339
Speaker 1: five feet, four inches. So it was possible for her

813
00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,580
Speaker 1: to get into one of those tanks through that hatch.

814
00:43:14,180 --> 00:43:19,200
Speaker 1: But either she was too scared to come out conceivably,

815
00:43:19,219 --> 00:43:22,239
Speaker 1: or she couldn't get out when she wanted to get

816
00:43:22,380 --> 00:43:25,259
Speaker 1: out and tired of treading water because the water would

817
00:43:25,280 --> 00:43:28,779
Speaker 1: have been about eight feet deep and drowned after a while.

818
00:43:30,370 --> 00:43:33,310
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, they did. I think the police dogs

819
00:43:33,370 --> 00:43:36,230
Speaker 2: did pick up her scent near that window. So that

820
00:43:36,310 --> 00:43:39,469
Speaker 2: seems to be what happened. And you know, this is

821
00:43:39,510 --> 00:43:41,569
Speaker 2: one of those cases where the more I read, like

822
00:43:41,650 --> 00:43:46,370
Speaker 2: all I could feel was despair about this poor woman

823
00:43:46,390 --> 00:43:50,890
Speaker 2: having what looked to be some sort of medication related

824
00:43:51,250 --> 00:43:55,969
Speaker 2: manic episode, maybe scared, maybe thinking someone was following her

825
00:43:56,030 --> 00:43:59,390
Speaker 2: and trying to get away and, and going at great lengths,

826
00:43:59,870 --> 00:44:02,790
Speaker 2: going to great lengths to maybe hide somewhere like inside

827
00:44:02,810 --> 00:44:07,170
Speaker 2: of a water tank. I don't know, like, why her

828
00:44:07,210 --> 00:44:09,210
Speaker 2: clothes were off or why her clothes ended up in

829
00:44:09,250 --> 00:44:11,759
Speaker 2: the tank. I'm not saying any of this makes sense,

830
00:44:11,989 --> 00:44:14,739
Speaker 2: but it is something that could happen. And all I

831
00:44:14,780 --> 00:44:18,420
Speaker 2: can think about is what an awful place that she

832
00:44:18,480 --> 00:44:20,900
Speaker 2: must've been for something like this to have happened.

833
00:44:21,219 --> 00:44:24,420
Speaker 1: Yeah. And I mean, to kind of back up the, um, the,

834
00:44:24,900 --> 00:44:30,420
Speaker 1: the mental break, um, theory, which is what I buy. That's,

835
00:44:30,719 --> 00:44:34,719
Speaker 1: that's where I put my stock. Um, She remember I

836
00:44:34,780 --> 00:44:37,180
Speaker 1: said she was originally put in a room with a

837
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,660
Speaker 1: couple other girls she didn't know at the stay on Maine.

838
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: They complained about her behaving strangely. So she was moved

839
00:44:44,820 --> 00:44:48,070
Speaker 1: to her own private room. Apparently, she went to a

840
00:44:48,110 --> 00:44:52,330
Speaker 1: taping of the Conan O'Brien show and was escorted out

841
00:44:52,730 --> 00:44:57,270
Speaker 1: because she was behaving strangely. And then detectives also found

842
00:44:57,390 --> 00:45:01,670
Speaker 1: she was on four different medications for bipolar one disorder

843
00:45:02,170 --> 00:45:10,150
Speaker 1: and depression. And the LAPD, based on the prescription dates

844
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:12,250
Speaker 1: on the bottles and then the number of pills that

845
00:45:12,270 --> 00:45:16,509
Speaker 1: were left and the instructions on the bottles, the LAPD

846
00:45:16,650 --> 00:45:21,149
Speaker 1: were able to determine that she hadn't been following the

847
00:45:21,530 --> 00:45:25,410
Speaker 1: dosage recommendations or taking her pills or medication. So if

848
00:45:25,430 --> 00:45:28,500
Speaker 1: you put all of that together and then also that–

849
00:45:29,070 --> 00:45:31,760
Speaker 1: people taking their clothes off as part of a psychotic

850
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 1: episode happens. It's been documented. You like, there's no, there's

851
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:39,819
Speaker 1: no pieces missing on the table. Like she could have

852
00:45:39,840 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: gone out on that fire escape, gone up the ladder.

853
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:45,219
Speaker 1: Like there's nothing that is, well, yeah, but then there's

854
00:45:45,260 --> 00:45:48,430
Speaker 1: this really big thing that remains unexplained. Like it explains

855
00:45:48,620 --> 00:45:51,549
Speaker 1: absolutely everything. And then suddenly it kind of makes all

856
00:45:51,590 --> 00:45:55,810
Speaker 1: the other stuff like government mind control or ghosts or

857
00:45:55,850 --> 00:45:57,930
Speaker 1: whatever seem just kind of gross, you know?

858
00:45:59,390 --> 00:46:02,910
Speaker 2: Totally agree. I believe her parents brought a lawsuit against

859
00:46:02,950 --> 00:46:06,969
Speaker 2: the hotel that was eventually dismissed, if I'm not mistaken.

860
00:46:07,270 --> 00:46:11,190
Speaker 2: And it just remains a very, very sad situation and

861
00:46:11,230 --> 00:46:14,020
Speaker 2: a sad case. And it is very annoying when you

862
00:46:14,219 --> 00:46:17,739
Speaker 2: get online and everyone thinks that their spirit's being conjured

863
00:46:17,820 --> 00:46:21,859
Speaker 2: and all this wacky stuff. It's just not the case.

864
00:46:22,860 --> 00:46:24,620
Speaker 1: Not the case indeed. You got anything else?

865
00:46:25,420 --> 00:46:26,040
Speaker 2: I got nothing else.

866
00:46:26,330 --> 00:46:28,850
Speaker 1: Well, that's it for the Cecil hotel and the Lisa

867
00:46:28,910 --> 00:46:33,379
Speaker 1: lamb RIP. Uh, and since I said RIP, that means

868
00:46:33,440 --> 00:46:34,520
Speaker 1: it's time for a listener mail.

869
00:46:37,460 --> 00:46:39,840
Speaker 2: Uh, I'm going to call this follow up to Y2K.

870
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Speaker 1: Oh yes.

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Speaker 2: Uh, and this is something that we actually had in

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Speaker 2: our notes that we, I guess just kind of failed

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Speaker 2: to bring up.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Right. Yeah. I mean, you had it in your

875
00:46:50,830 --> 00:46:52,969
Speaker 1: notes as well. Yeah. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: The, the 2038 problem. Um, We got a lot of

877
00:46:55,940 --> 00:46:59,420
Speaker 2: emails about this, and we're not going to fully probably

878
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:04,320
Speaker 2: explain to everyone's satisfaction how it works. But, hey, guys,

879
00:47:04,600 --> 00:47:07,320
Speaker 2: just got done listening to the Y2K podcast, which brought

880
00:47:07,940 --> 00:47:10,200
Speaker 2: back an interesting range of memories of living through that time.

881
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Speaker 2: In case you weren't aware, there's something called the Unix

882
00:47:13,000 --> 00:47:16,739
Speaker 2: Y2K problem that still exists but is slowly being fixed

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Speaker 2: by smart people behind the scenes.

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Speaker 1: Thank goodness.

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Speaker 2: The majority of computers in the world run Unix-based operating systems.

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00:47:24,330 --> 00:47:27,310
Speaker 2: not Windows or Mac OS. And unless these systems are

887
00:47:27,350 --> 00:47:33,850
Speaker 2: patched at 3.14 on January 19th, 2038, their clocks will

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Speaker 2: roll over to think it's midnight, January 1st, 1970.

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Speaker 1: Yes.

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Speaker 2: The cause is basically the same in the early versions

891
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Speaker 2: of the OS. Only had so much memory allocated to

892
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Speaker 2: time representations, but more modern versions now have this fixed

893
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Speaker 2: and hence computers aren't susceptible once they're updated or upgraded.

894
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Speaker 2: Although not all systems can be easily Updated. And that

895
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Speaker 2: is from a bunch of people, but specifically from PhD

896
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Speaker 2: Alan Chalker.

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Speaker 1: That's great. Thanks, Alan, to everybody who wrote in. I

898
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Speaker 1: was like, oh, man, I meant to include that. But

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Speaker 1: apparently Unix represents time as the number of seconds from

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Speaker 1: the epoch date, which is some date in 1970. And

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Speaker 1: then eventually it's going to have more seconds than it

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Speaker 1: can represent in the number of digits. So it'll just

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Speaker 1: roll back over like he was saying. Which is pretty neat.

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Speaker 2: Come on, Unix.

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Speaker 1: Pretty cool. But also I'm glad to hear that there

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Speaker 1: are smart people working on that because we got 17 years. Man,

907
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Speaker 1: you guys take it easy. Take a weekend, you know? Sure.

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Speaker 1: Go sit in your house and social distance from everybody.

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Speaker 2: That's right. We also got a lot of emails just

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Speaker 2: from people that, some people whose parents helped rewrite code

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Speaker 2: or were heading up projects rewriting code and It was

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Speaker 2: pretty cool. We got a lot of emails about that

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Speaker 2: when you struck a chord.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a good idea, Chuck. Well, if you

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Speaker 1: want to get in touch with us like Alan and

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Speaker 1: everybody else did, you can send us an email.