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Speaker 1: Dave Smith this year from DSD. Dave Smith decoys hates

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Speaker 1: doing podcasts.

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Speaker 2: I'm glad to be here. I thanks so much for.

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Speaker 3: Guy knows a lot about hunting.

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Speaker 1: He knows a lot about hunting.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, every time I talk to him, I've learned something

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Speaker 4: new that I've never learned in the whatever thirty one

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Speaker 4: almost thirty two years i've.

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Speaker 1: Been Yeah, he's an artist. Yeah, an artist, decoy designer,

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Speaker 1: built a great business. Dave Smith Decoy's likes.

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Speaker 3: To hunt comfortably.

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Speaker 1: Likes to hunt comfortably, self deprecating, funny, well more could

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Speaker 1: you ask? You're already married though? Right?

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, I'm just jealous of all you guys

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Speaker 2: that can actually move around the mountains and everything like

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Speaker 2: that and are physically fit and everything. So I just

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Speaker 2: hunt the way that I have to. And also I've

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Speaker 2: noticed that I'm old. I'm like easily the oldest person

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you might have beat Brody.

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Speaker 2: Whoever he is, I'd call him a kid.

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Speaker 1: How old you?

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Speaker 2: I just turned sixty.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you might be the oldest person.

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Speaker 2: That's right. So you guys, I expect to be treated

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Speaker 2: as such exactly.

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Speaker 1: We also got Jason Phelps joined to remotely. He's gonna

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Speaker 1: tell you with with the Elk bugle coming up, Elk's

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Speaker 1: Heason't coming up, Elk Archie Phelps is going to share

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Speaker 1: with you our esteemed listeners. Three I I asked him

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Speaker 1: he's going to share three things that people ought to

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Speaker 1: keep in mind. We got a chaster here, Uncle Chastey

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Speaker 1: seth Krin's wearing her headphones today. Mm hmm, fills over

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Speaker 1: in his little corner. Everything's great. We got a couple announcements.

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Speaker 1: Make up top. We are re kicking off playing on

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Speaker 1: his phone, trying to plug stuff.

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Speaker 5: Me too.

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Speaker 1: Listen, We're re kicking off the auction House of Oddities,

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Speaker 1: which comes and goes, as you know. But holy smokes,

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Speaker 1: the lineup this year? So, uh, when when's it start?

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Speaker 1: Krinn this week?

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Speaker 5: Oh it does this week?

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Speaker 1: How's that possible? Oh? Yeah, this week? I'm with you.

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Speaker 1: We have I'm holding a couple lels for one of

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Speaker 1: might wind up on the auctionsvanities? Is we finally after forever?

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Speaker 1: So we bought a punt gun at an antique auction

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Speaker 1: for way more money than I'd care to admit. But

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Speaker 1: the barrel, I'm only holding the action. The barrel takes

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Speaker 1: a couple of people to hold. Yeah, if you watch

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Speaker 1: it on if you're listening on YouTube, you can see

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Speaker 1: It takes two people to pick the barrel up. It's

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Speaker 1: a one hundred pound barrel. Yeah, it's seven feet it's seven

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Speaker 1: No, because I think the liability You don't hold the

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Speaker 5: Yeah, two people don't hold it.

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Speaker 1: The way a punt gun works. You had a little vessel.

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Speaker 1: holding the shell right now, this shell, so it's a

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Speaker 1: And you would go up often at night. You would

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Speaker 1: had to go to an engineering firm to get AMMO made.

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Speaker 5: Meaning that if you took a pound of lead and

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Speaker 5: split it into two balls, one of the balls will fit.

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Speaker 1: Well the way yeah, I shouldn't say yeah. So what

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Speaker 1: we did is, yes, gauge traditionally comes from A twelve

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Speaker 1: And I needed to test the punt gun. So I

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Speaker 1: was still good in it. So these guys loaded up

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Speaker 1: of that thing going the wrong direction, but it's still activated.

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Speaker 1: That summer bitch scared the ship out of me that

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Speaker 1: my god, man, I could have hurt my eyeballs. That

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Speaker 1: would have been the thing is. It would have really

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Speaker 1: It's probably and that was even the moment I took

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Speaker 1: kind of coming down on that handle that screwdriver. I

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Speaker 1: was second, does it work in reverse? That powder was

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Speaker 1: like what eighteen inches away? But it could have just

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Speaker 5: The But you think that it would have been the

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Speaker 5: flash that would hurt your eyes or just a debris.

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Speaker 1: Can we just a oh yeah, just a debris from

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Speaker 1: that primer hurt my eyes. Yeah, it was loud. That

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Speaker 1: Spencer's like I need some hearing protection. Yeah, you need

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Speaker 1: some eye protection. So we screwed it in. You see

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Speaker 1: it like this thing, So this punt gun action threads

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Speaker 1: in right the like you know, you'd kill twenty ducks

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Speaker 1: be good. I we have a whole book. We have

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Speaker 1: a book called The Outlaw Gunner. It's about punt gunners.

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Speaker 1: And he was like, people get the wrong idea. Twenty

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Speaker 1: people weren't killing whole flocks of ducks with a single

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Speaker 1: shot from a punt gun. But mile Man, who was

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Speaker 1: old when he had me. Mile Man remembers seeing punt gunners,

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Speaker 1: legal punk gunners that had three punk guns stacked one

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Speaker 1: it hits them as they're get taken flight, and the

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Speaker 1: third shot hits them a little higher. He said, they

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Speaker 1: had three of them stacked at different angles. I don't

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Speaker 6: How wide does the spread?

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Speaker 1: I don't know yet. So you remember Gallagher, the comedian Gallagher? Okay, wow,

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Speaker 1: I'm out. Do you know about Gallagher?

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Speaker 5: What about you?

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Speaker 5: Too young for Gallagher? I know Gallaer's young.

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Speaker 4: Striped shirt and the.

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Speaker 1: Husky. Remember when you were a kid and if the

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Speaker 1: word husky if you were like a chunky kid pants pants, Yeah,

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Speaker 4: was saying I was like fat.

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Speaker 1: Kind of tore me up a bit. But so Gallagher

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Speaker 1: there is Gallagher. Imagine weird al if he was husky

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Speaker 1: of you grow real long that little half moon toilet

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Speaker 3: Man.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, Gallagher had two Gallagher had two groups. He had

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Speaker 1: was how ridiculous in the English language was, so he

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Speaker 1: get a lot of mileage. How could there be like

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Speaker 1: English language how things spell. And then he started to

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Speaker 1: with a sledgehammer. And people in the know would buy

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Speaker 1: tickets to Gallagher and they would wear raincoats and get

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Speaker 1: viscueen and whatnot to protect themselves. And Gallagher would set

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Speaker 1: up a watermelon or whatever and hit it with a hammer,

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Speaker 1: point being that's what this punt gun is for.

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Speaker 2: So when you were saying you were asking me if

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Speaker 2: I knew of Gallagher. I was just sitting there thinking,

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Speaker 2: like the first thing that came to my mind was

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Speaker 2: that dumb comedian. And I was sitting there trying to well,

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Speaker 2: that can't be it, Like, who's this person knows all

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Speaker 2: about waterfowl lore? You know, I'm trying to think, who's Gallagher?

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Speaker 2: Who's Gallagher?

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Speaker 6: You know?

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Speaker 1: We want to shoot stuff like watermelons and whatnot with

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Speaker 1: this punk gun.

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Speaker 2: There you go.

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Speaker 1: But one of the things I want to do is

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Speaker 1: just put out a couple of sheets of plywood at

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Speaker 1: fifty sixty yards whatever and see what kind of pattern

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Speaker 4: We can put out a whole flock of Dave Smith Decoy's.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you'll definitely go for a over the Carr.

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Speaker 7: Valley you'll take You'll take Duran Road and Doug will

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Speaker 3: It's what you just said, Oh that spring house.

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Speaker 3: I don't think i've heard that one.

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Speaker 1: Well I have not, kids have not. Maybe you should

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Speaker 1: have bid on that chester a handmade log home from

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Speaker 1: Naughty log Homes. Real, really, I'm not kidding you. Twelve

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Speaker 4: Wow, what do you mean anywhere when you auction?

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Speaker 1: When you buy it at auction, you'll have to pay

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Speaker 2: Say I could use one of those up at the shack.

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Speaker 1: Better dig Yeah, factor that in better dig D.

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Speaker 5: I think you're meant to say, because I need one

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Speaker 1: You need to talk to someone with a Chinook helicopter. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Seth Morris's wife, Kelsey Morris of Studio Gallery. What's it called? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the Studio Studio Gallery and three Forks Montana. Dinner for

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Speaker 1: four at my house. That's an auction item. You three

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Speaker 1: Bugle tube that Phelps used on the hunt where he

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Speaker 5: You might have already said this, but he missed the target?

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Speaker 1: And no I shared that story with him. That was

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Speaker 1: Me and my late friend Eric Kern. We didn't catch

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Speaker 1: That's in the auction House of aodities, my personal weather

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Speaker 1: So people are like, oh, gun miss fired. The gun

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Speaker 1: Make that gun from that moose charge and those episodes

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Speaker 2: pound grizzly bear running at you and cal as fast

436
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Speaker 2: as American run and you called it false charging, And

437
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Speaker 2: I'm just kind of curious what does charging look like?

438
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Speaker 1: And if he made contact with me?

439
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Speaker 4: Okay?

440
00:23:59,400 --> 00:24:02,320
Speaker 2: So I was like, it was like you come home,

441
00:24:02,480 --> 00:24:05,240
Speaker 2: you know, from somewhere, and your your truck is riddled

442
00:24:05,240 --> 00:24:07,199
Speaker 2: and bullets and stuff, and what do you say to

443
00:24:07,200 --> 00:24:09,399
Speaker 2: your wife, like, oh, I got false shot at Like

444
00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:11,399
Speaker 2: none of the bullets actually hit me, So I got

445
00:24:11,480 --> 00:24:15,720
Speaker 2: false shot at like, yeah.

446
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Speaker 1: Krin, I'm holding up another item from the auction as

447
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,280
Speaker 1: about it. These come from these are from some a pair.

448
00:24:21,080 --> 00:24:24,760
Speaker 6: Of Steve caught Martin's is past year.

449
00:24:24,680 --> 00:24:26,240
Speaker 1: Had a hat made for my wife. We had the

450
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 1: tails left over. Wow, Krina is fashioned. He's into gorgeous earrings. Yeah,

451
00:24:32,160 --> 00:24:32,960
Speaker 1: describing Grin.

452
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Speaker 6: So there Herkimer quartz diamonds from a podcast listener, Herkimer

453
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Speaker 6: her herk diamonds and uh the mink this oops, pardoned

454
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Speaker 6: me the Martin tails from Steve's Martin's and then a

455
00:24:55,440 --> 00:25:01,359
Speaker 6: sterling silver wire wrap. So it's all sterling silver stone.

456
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:04,480
Speaker 5: I did, but I think it might have closed up.

457
00:25:07,040 --> 00:25:09,680
Speaker 6: This is this is like an adorning costume for the

458
00:25:09,760 --> 00:25:13,520
Speaker 6: Latvian eagle. Martin tails.

459
00:25:17,080 --> 00:25:20,199
Speaker 5: So sweet.

460
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Speaker 1: So the Auction House of Oodities back better than ever.

461
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:27,199
Speaker 1: All of the money raised in the Auction House of

462
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Speaker 1: Oodities goes to our own land access initiative. With the

463
00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,280
Speaker 1: land access initiative, we've done so we contributed on a

464
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Speaker 1: land access a public land purchase in Maine. We participated

465
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Speaker 1: on a public land access purchase in northwest Montana cala Is,

466
00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 1: eyeballing one along the Yellowstone River right now. And plus

467
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 1: we will use some of the items. Another item I

468
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,400
Speaker 1: should throw this in. You know the Missouri corner crossers.

469
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: This is kind of freshest morning. Yeah, the famous Missouri

470
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:07,520
Speaker 1: corner crossers. They have donated their ladder. So you can

471
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Speaker 1: buy a piece of American history at the media or

472
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,680
Speaker 1: auctional sdvice. You can buy the device that has now

473
00:26:15,760 --> 00:26:20,920
Speaker 1: been covered by every news agency on the planet, still

474
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 1: working its way through the courts. You can buy the

475
00:26:23,160 --> 00:26:26,520
Speaker 1: ladder used in the Wyoming corner crossing case. The stipulation

476
00:26:26,680 --> 00:26:29,160
Speaker 1: there is the revenue from that, and this is part

477
00:26:29,200 --> 00:26:31,760
Speaker 1: of land access. The revenue for that will go in

478
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:38,440
Speaker 1: illegal defense fund, which has been mighty successful thus far,

479
00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:44,159
Speaker 1: a legal defense fund for the corner crossers who have

480
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:49,120
Speaker 1: been putting a Regardless of how you feel about whether

481
00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:51,000
Speaker 1: corner crossing should be legal or not, these guys have

482
00:26:51,000 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: been placed in an extremely unfortunate position after getting very

483
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:58,160
Speaker 1: mixed signals from multiple law enforcement and land management agencies,

484
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Speaker 1: and they are at this point they have come victims

485
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Speaker 1: of a system that is whacked.

486
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Speaker 6: And there's many more items than that, many more items.

487
00:27:09,680 --> 00:27:12,800
Speaker 2: I have something I could donate, but it's really there's

488
00:27:12,880 --> 00:27:15,479
Speaker 2: nothing compared to those things. But I just thought of something.

489
00:27:15,600 --> 00:27:20,560
Speaker 2: I have an owl coughing and one of the and

490
00:27:20,600 --> 00:27:23,520
Speaker 2: there's an exposed bone and it has a leg band

491
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:23,920
Speaker 2: on it.

492
00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:27,400
Speaker 6: That taxidermy coughing.

493
00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, out pellet. So it ate a bird that was

494
00:27:32,080 --> 00:27:36,479
Speaker 2: banded and it coughed up all the feathers and bones,

495
00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 2: and right on the outside of all of.

496
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Speaker 5: It is let me get it clear, for an owl pellet,

497
00:27:46,760 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 5: is is a coughing. So an owl eats.

498
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Speaker 1: In our in our book Catching Crayfish Count the Stars,

499
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:58,800
Speaker 1: we have a thing about We have an instructional about

500
00:27:58,840 --> 00:28:02,960
Speaker 1: how to dissolve and dissemble owl pellets in order to

501
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: see what all they've been up to. So when owl

502
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:09,199
Speaker 1: will eat its food whole and then digest food and

503
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:14,320
Speaker 1: regurgitates the bones in these little balls. And you'll look

504
00:28:14,320 --> 00:28:16,399
Speaker 1: at these little balls and like a standard thing to

505
00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:19,840
Speaker 1: see in these little balls is mouse jaws. They stand

506
00:28:19,880 --> 00:28:22,600
Speaker 1: out real good mouse molers.

507
00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:25,560
Speaker 5: But you'll answer my question, is another word for an

508
00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:27,520
Speaker 5: owl pellet and owl coughing?

509
00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: I've never heard him. I never heard that word.

510
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:33,359
Speaker 2: So the reason why that we've used that term before

511
00:28:33,400 --> 00:28:35,680
Speaker 2: us a lot of people know that it's it's that

512
00:28:35,800 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 2: they're not pooping. It it's not.

513
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:40,400
Speaker 1: Because they might think it's gross.

514
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 2: If you shat it out, it wouldn't be quiet, as

515
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:46,720
Speaker 2: the auction value would definitely go down, will shift. It

516
00:28:46,760 --> 00:28:49,240
Speaker 2: wasn't Yeah, if it was a piece of owl shit.

517
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Speaker 1: Man, We've had some see we've had some auction House

518
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:56,360
Speaker 1: of Oddities donations that we've had lawyers prevent us from selling.

519
00:28:57,080 --> 00:28:58,320
Speaker 1: This is one of those things.

520
00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:01,200
Speaker 3: It's like me showing up at his house with Luke

521
00:29:01,240 --> 00:29:03,440
Speaker 3: Comb's guitar and like playing him a song on one

522
00:29:03,440 --> 00:29:04,160
Speaker 3: of them that they.

523
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Speaker 1: Next, Yeah, that brought up liability problems. You could be

524
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:14,560
Speaker 1: lured into his sorted, some kind of sorted.

525
00:29:15,160 --> 00:29:17,000
Speaker 3: Put the lotion on the skin.

526
00:29:17,360 --> 00:29:18,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was gonna be we had one of those.

527
00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640
Speaker 1: Chester is gonna show up like you could have them.

528
00:29:21,720 --> 00:29:23,920
Speaker 1: He'll wear whatever you want, right down to right down

529
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:25,200
Speaker 1: to his his thong.

530
00:29:26,480 --> 00:29:30,320
Speaker 3: Said that I never agreed to that, even.

531
00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm on there at midnight. The thong.

532
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:38,000
Speaker 4: One got nixed with Spencer and I getting tattooed.

533
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,920
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, that got mixed. You were gonna be able

534
00:29:40,920 --> 00:29:43,720
Speaker 1: to pick whatever tattoo you wanted on Seth and Spencer.

535
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:47,560
Speaker 1: That got mixed. A lot of things get mixed, so

536
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:49,760
Speaker 1: he just gets better, just like do you remember when I

537
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:53,080
Speaker 1: was a little boy, they would do a fundraiser. Jerry Lewis,

538
00:29:53,240 --> 00:30:00,200
Speaker 1: the actor Jerry Lewis would do fundraiser for ms. Remember

539
00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 1: Jerry's kids. He would do a fundraiser and he would

540
00:30:03,440 --> 00:30:05,719
Speaker 1: do it for forty eight hours, just get delirious at

541
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: the end. I feel like that right now. You can't

542
00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:09,520
Speaker 1: even tell what he's saying at the end of it

543
00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: was a whole part of the event that he would

544
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Speaker 1: stay up that long.

545
00:30:13,120 --> 00:30:13,320
Speaker 2: Wow.

546
00:30:13,560 --> 00:30:16,120
Speaker 1: But this is like that because it just keeps getting

547
00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 1: better and better. Dave Smith has now donated and I

548
00:30:18,680 --> 00:30:21,240
Speaker 1: will pell it with a banded bird foot sticking out

549
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:23,960
Speaker 1: of it. Did you lacker it to hold it together?

550
00:30:24,440 --> 00:30:25,080
Speaker 1: Is it pretty good?

551
00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:25,320
Speaker 5: No?

552
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,240
Speaker 2: It's it holds together really well. It's just in a

553
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 2: little plexa glass case. I might have to come up

554
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:33,480
Speaker 2: with a more decorative case or something to put it in.

555
00:30:33,520 --> 00:30:36,360
Speaker 2: But it's just sitting, you know, it's just sitting at

556
00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 2: my house. It's it'll be there till the next glacial

557
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 2: period if I don't do something, you know, with it.

558
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 3: So do you know what kind of bird it is?

559
00:30:45,480 --> 00:30:45,680
Speaker 1: Yeah?

560
00:30:45,680 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 2: I think it was a pigeon.

561
00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 3: Pigeon.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, that makes sense, all right. The auction's

563
00:30:50,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: about it. He's coming soon, better than ever. All the

564
00:30:52,760 --> 00:30:55,360
Speaker 1: money goes to land Access your initiative. We will be

565
00:30:55,480 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: using the funds primarily for land access purchases, enhancing and

566
00:31:02,160 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: improving public access. One other little money thing. This is

567
00:31:10,840 --> 00:31:15,400
Speaker 1: kind of a convoluted story. There's these animal rights activists

568
00:31:15,800 --> 00:31:24,000
Speaker 1: that in Nevada the target bear biologists. Oddly, they target

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Speaker 1: Nevada state agency bear biologists. One of these animal rights

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00:31:28,040 --> 00:31:33,000
Speaker 1: activists actually had a restraining order against her for harassing

571
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:41,240
Speaker 1: and targeting a female biologist with a Nevada State wildlife agency.

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00:31:41,120 --> 00:31:43,760
Speaker 5: There are Facebook pages to give a little more context

573
00:31:43,800 --> 00:31:47,720
Speaker 5: around them. Says that this page is dedicated to monitoring

574
00:31:47,800 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 5: and publicizing the actions Nevada Department of Wildlife and the

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00:31:53,880 --> 00:32:01,840
Speaker 5: why is it cut off? Sorry, I guess they just

576
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 5: fail to write a full sentence, but gives you an idea.

577
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 5: They're like they're watching everybody animals there.

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00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,360
Speaker 1: At a state agency at bear biologists could be engaged

579
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Speaker 1: in a ton of different things. They could be doing

580
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: and monitoring. They could be doing disease research, they could

581
00:32:17,160 --> 00:32:21,120
Speaker 1: be doing population demographics distribution. But inevitably they're going to

582
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:24,280
Speaker 1: get rolled into dealing with problem bears as well, and

583
00:32:24,400 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: oftentimes in states that have really high black bear populations.

584
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Speaker 1: I'm not even saying this is going on here. I'm

585
00:32:30,160 --> 00:32:32,960
Speaker 1: just clarifying for people in states that have really high

586
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,120
Speaker 1: black bear populations, it is so expensive in all times,

587
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:42,280
Speaker 1: oftentimes futile to relocate black bears. Oftentimes problem black bears

588
00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: will get euthanized because you could spend you could send

589
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 1: someone on an eight hour drive in some direction to

590
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: drop off the bear, but the once the bear is

591
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:53,880
Speaker 1: habituated and tuned into human food sources, there's nowhere you're

592
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:55,800
Speaker 1: going to put it where you're taking it out of action.

593
00:32:56,080 --> 00:32:59,400
Speaker 1: It's also very expensive, consumes tons of time. You have

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Speaker 1: very stable bear populations, so a lot of times someone

595
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,440
Speaker 1: has to make the calm the bears get euthanized. Okay,

596
00:33:05,920 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: it's not work that anybody likes to do, but a

597
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: bear biologist can get They're doing a lot of stuff

598
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:16,920
Speaker 1: to help enhance improve bear populations. They're also sometimes involved

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Speaker 1: in lethal control. I'm not even that sits outside of

600
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Speaker 1: what I'm talking about now, but this guy, Carl Lackey,

601
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Speaker 1: So these guys start this Facebook page and targeting this individual,

602
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:36,240
Speaker 1: Carl Lackey. He sues him for defamation. The animal rights

603
00:33:36,320 --> 00:33:39,760
Speaker 1: activists spend one hundred and fifty grand defending themselves on

604
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: free speech grounds, okay, meaning that they host a Facebook

605
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:48,360
Speaker 1: page and people are making threatening remarks on this page,

606
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: but ultimately, because of free speech issues, they can't be

607
00:33:51,720 --> 00:33:56,480
Speaker 1: held responsible for what other people are saying. I'm not

608
00:33:56,680 --> 00:34:00,600
Speaker 1: weighing in on, you know, I'm a free speech advocate.

609
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:03,080
Speaker 1: I'm not weighing in on that it was a right decision,

610
00:34:03,120 --> 00:34:05,560
Speaker 1: wrong decision. What I'm weighing in on is that here

611
00:34:05,600 --> 00:34:10,880
Speaker 1: you have a state bare biologist doing his job, okay,

612
00:34:11,880 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 1: getting threatened and harassed by animal rights activists. And the

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00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:18,479
Speaker 1: long and short of it is they won their free

614
00:34:18,480 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: speech case. Okay, they won it, that's fine, But now

615
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 1: this biologist is personally liable for the one hundred and

616
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: fifty k that has been found liable for the one

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00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:34,400
Speaker 1: hundred and fifty k that the people he was suing

618
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:37,920
Speaker 1: for defamation and harassment had to spend in their legal bills.

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Speaker 1: Does it GoFundMe for the guy? If you can help out,

620
00:34:44,040 --> 00:34:45,479
Speaker 1: he needs to make up this one hundred and fifty

621
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Speaker 1: grand that he owes these people and again not weighing

622
00:34:48,120 --> 00:34:52,759
Speaker 1: like I understand a platform isn't responsible for comments to

623
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: get posted on their platform. Okay, who cares so much

624
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:58,839
Speaker 1: to help this guy out in his line of work

625
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 1: and trying to defend him and his family from online

626
00:35:01,960 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 1: harassment has incurred a massive bill.

627
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Speaker 3: Yeah that's that's shitty.

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00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:10,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, and doing state wildlife work, Yeah, doing

629
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Speaker 1: your job. It's insane that he's just supposed to suck

630
00:35:14,440 --> 00:35:16,200
Speaker 1: it up and have these people start like trying to

631
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Speaker 1: broadcast as whereabouts his image calling on people to do

632
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Speaker 1: acts against him.

633
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Speaker 3: I wonder if people like that feel good about themselves

634
00:35:28,200 --> 00:35:33,160
Speaker 3: after giving this dude threats or whatever they did, and

635
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 3: then making them pay him, you know, back one hundred

636
00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,960
Speaker 3: and fifty thousand dollars. I wonder if they're like, yes.

637
00:35:38,840 --> 00:35:41,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, probably because they've already arrived at some kind of

638
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 1: mental calculus that an individual bear's life is more valuable

639
00:35:45,000 --> 00:35:48,279
Speaker 1: than an individual human's life, or an individual not even that,

640
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:50,799
Speaker 1: and that a bear, the individual bears life is more

641
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: valuable than the life of a public servant working on

642
00:35:55,400 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: behalf of wildlife. So yeah, I imagine they've gotten their mentally,

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Speaker 1: the o fund me is uh www dot go fund me,

644
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:10,879
Speaker 1: dot com. Here's where it gets complicated, sorry, dot com,

645
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Speaker 1: slash f slash, Carl dash, lackey dash, bear dash, biologists

646
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Speaker 1: type some.

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Speaker 6: Version of that, go fund me and google his name.

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00:36:22,160 --> 00:36:22,359
Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and one thing we got to remember is we

650
00:36:24,880 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: need good people in the world to become biologists. And

651
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:31,560
Speaker 2: you know, this will de incentivize people to become biologists

652
00:36:31,560 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: who would want to become a biologist. It'll be the

653
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Speaker 2: situation we are with politicians, like, oh, the good people

654
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,759
Speaker 2: of the world don't want to be politicians. We need

655
00:36:39,800 --> 00:36:40,960
Speaker 2: good biologists.

656
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, and have yeah, and and uh, you know,

657
00:36:45,840 --> 00:36:47,839
Speaker 1: in our neighborhood right now, we're dealing with a bear

658
00:36:47,920 --> 00:36:54,880
Speaker 1: that is really pushing people's tolerance. Like our whole neighborhood.

659
00:36:54,880 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 1: We've got this whole tax exchange going and he's now

660
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,360
Speaker 1: in people's garages, you know, and like the bear is

661
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: pushing people's tolerance. And at a point that bear is

662
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,640
Speaker 1: gonna wind up not alive. If someone from the state

663
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,960
Speaker 1: agency needs to come out and trap that bear. It's

664
00:37:08,960 --> 00:37:11,759
Speaker 1: not like they're like, yippie, I get to go, you know,

665
00:37:11,800 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like they're like they've tried with

666
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 1: this bear. They have tried their hardest to button up

667
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 1: the situation and make the bear not a problem. They've

668
00:37:23,880 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 1: at this point, they've got months into the into trying

669
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,400
Speaker 1: to help people help this bear by stop the cause.

670
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,680
Speaker 1: But at a point, probably maybe the way it's looking,

671
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: something's gonna need something's gonna happen. And the fact that

672
00:37:37,320 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: that person would become like an online target because they

673
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,879
Speaker 1: get sent out to do a thing a public safety issue,

674
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,840
Speaker 1: it's ridiculous. But again I'm not speaking to the particulars

675
00:37:47,840 --> 00:37:49,520
Speaker 1: of why this guy got targeted. Go ahead and read

676
00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:51,160
Speaker 1: up on that on your own. I'm just pointing out

677
00:37:51,200 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: the complex and he's a whole thing.

678
00:38:01,440 --> 00:38:07,160
Speaker 8: Phelps you ready, Yeah, yep, Okay. So I was asked

679
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 8: to come on talk about since September's right around the

680
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:15,680
Speaker 8: corner Archie, ELK kind of consumes September, at least in

681
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 8: my life. So we're gonna talk about ELK bugles and

682
00:38:19,000 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 8: kind of what they are, when to use them, and

683
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,520
Speaker 8: what I think about when we're trying to make those.

684
00:38:24,560 --> 00:38:28,520
Speaker 8: So the first up is location bugles. This is a

685
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:30,279
Speaker 8: call when we're out in the woods. We're gonna use

686
00:38:30,280 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 8: that ninety percent of the time while we're hunting and

687
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:36,280
Speaker 8: we're just looking to get a response from another bowl.

688
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:38,520
Speaker 8: I like to think of it as kind of that

689
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,680
Speaker 8: that game of Marco Polo. Right, I'm going to make

690
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:43,719
Speaker 8: a sound, It's it's non threatening. I'm just trying to

691
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 8: get a response. So after my morning lasting session throughout

692
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 8: the day, as I'm walking ridgelines trails, when i get

693
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 8: to a new spot that I feel bul can hear me,

694
00:38:53,920 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 8: I'll bugle.

695
00:38:56,120 --> 00:38:56,600
Speaker 1: I in my.

696
00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 8: Opinion, it can't do much harm. And a lot of

697
00:38:59,880 --> 00:39:03,600
Speaker 8: times people say you bogle too much, and and a

698
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:05,399
Speaker 8: lot of times I'll get six to eight hundred yards

699
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:07,040
Speaker 8: away when I was just two or three hundred yards

700
00:39:07,040 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 8: away from a bull, and I'll finally get him to respond.

701
00:39:09,000 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 8: So there's sometimes not any rhyme or reason when a

702
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:16,040
Speaker 8: bull here is here whin he'll elect to respond? And

703
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,880
Speaker 8: so what is a location bugle? And do the people

704
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 8: that say you call too much? Do they kill more

705
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 8: bulls than you?

706
00:39:24,200 --> 00:39:24,279
Speaker 6: Not?

707
00:39:24,800 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 8: Usually I don't want to. I don't want to be

708
00:39:26,320 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 8: that guy. But you try not to not to talk

709
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:33,600
Speaker 8: about that, And like there are times, there are times

710
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:36,160
Speaker 8: where you don't bigle a lot, but that's kind of

711
00:39:36,160 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 8: our our go to so a location bugle, and some

712
00:39:39,640 --> 00:39:43,480
Speaker 8: people we've in my opinion, we've coined terms that that

713
00:39:43,760 --> 00:39:47,400
Speaker 8: we use to describe and Elk's vocals, you know, and

714
00:39:47,440 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 8: so location bugle might be one thing here. This is

715
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,279
Speaker 8: kind of what we call it. So it's a a

716
00:39:51,280 --> 00:39:53,680
Speaker 8: two to three note high pitched bugle that you're just

717
00:39:53,719 --> 00:39:58,800
Speaker 8: trying to elicit that response. And so being high pitched,

718
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 8: we're gonna apply a little bit of pressure if you're

719
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 8: using a diaphragm, if you're using like our Easy Bugler system,

720
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:07,600
Speaker 8: you're gonna start with more pressure than you would on

721
00:40:07,680 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 8: say a challenge bugle or a moan or you know,

722
00:40:10,000 --> 00:40:14,719
Speaker 8: a deeper tone, and you're gonna just kind of blow

723
00:40:14,719 --> 00:40:17,399
Speaker 8: into it very shortly two to three seconds. I want

724
00:40:17,400 --> 00:40:18,840
Speaker 8: to be able to listen. A lot of times a

725
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,960
Speaker 8: bull is very quick to respond or and you may

726
00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:23,319
Speaker 8: not hear it, you may not be able to tell

727
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:25,360
Speaker 8: what direction is, or you may miss it all together. So,

728
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,799
Speaker 8: in my opinion, a two to three note high pitched

729
00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:33,440
Speaker 8: bugle lasting three seconds maximum. It's a clean bugle, non threatening.

730
00:40:33,760 --> 00:40:36,240
Speaker 8: You don't add any groul, you don't add any resonance

731
00:40:36,239 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 8: into it's just a high note looking to get a response.

732
00:40:40,080 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 8: And you know you're doing a location bugle right when

733
00:40:43,920 --> 00:40:46,279
Speaker 8: the volume and the tone and the resonance kind of

734
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:49,840
Speaker 8: rings your own ears, you don't. You know a lot

735
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:52,000
Speaker 8: of guys are like, I'm not getting as many responses.

736
00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:54,839
Speaker 8: I like to be as loud as possible. I want

737
00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 8: that bugle to reach as many elk as possible, high

738
00:40:57,560 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 8: pitched and short. And that's really the extent of it.

739
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,879
Speaker 8: And as much out calling as we do, and all

740
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:06,960
Speaker 8: these different types of bugles, grunch chuckles, challenge vehicles, you know,

741
00:41:07,000 --> 00:41:10,239
Speaker 8: all the cow calling. I would say that once again,

742
00:41:10,320 --> 00:41:12,279
Speaker 8: ninety percent of the time. This is the call I

743
00:41:12,320 --> 00:41:15,520
Speaker 8: do all year long until we locate able. You want

744
00:41:15,520 --> 00:41:18,439
Speaker 8: to rip one out for us, yeah, I'll turn away

745
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:19,640
Speaker 8: from the mic so I don't blow it out.

746
00:41:19,680 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 9: But this is where our location beagle sounds like, tell

747
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:23,760
Speaker 9: us what you're using.

748
00:41:25,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: This? That was a bad Uh.

749
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,120
Speaker 8: This is actually a new call that we're we're bringing

750
00:41:29,160 --> 00:41:30,880
Speaker 8: out in twenty three, So it's going to be in

751
00:41:30,920 --> 00:41:32,960
Speaker 8: a in our freedom pack. So I'll just I'll leave

752
00:41:32,960 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 8: it there. But I had it sitting on my desk,

753
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:37,160
Speaker 8: so it's a brand new it's it's our amp diaphragm.

754
00:41:37,160 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 8: It'd be really similar to like the Maverick in our lineup.

755
00:41:40,920 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: And then you got what in your hand.

756
00:41:43,360 --> 00:41:45,799
Speaker 9: So this is our metal Beagle tube. It's the one

757
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:47,080
Speaker 9: I've been using the last couple of years.

758
00:41:47,080 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 8: We do have our new unleashed V tube, but this

759
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:50,799
Speaker 8: one had a cover on it and I didn't have

760
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:52,200
Speaker 8: to run downstairs and grab one.

761
00:41:53,040 --> 00:41:54,040
Speaker 1: That's a well thought.

762
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:57,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, as you can tell, I'm a little I was

763
00:41:57,680 --> 00:41:58,400
Speaker 8: a little bit lazy.

764
00:41:58,440 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 9: I had a diaphragm on my desk and I had

765
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:00,560
Speaker 9: a tube on my.

766
00:42:00,600 --> 00:42:10,480
Speaker 8: Dead nice and quick, just yep, just real quick. There

767
00:42:10,480 --> 00:42:12,520
Speaker 8: were times like I've got examples like in the Bob

768
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:15,759
Speaker 8: Marshall and in some places where I would get a

769
00:42:15,800 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 8: response like I couldn't figure out how the bull could

770
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:20,279
Speaker 8: hear me that quick decide to make a call and

771
00:42:20,280 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 8: then end it almost at the same time I was.

772
00:42:23,960 --> 00:42:26,680
Speaker 8: And there's there's lots of examples where if I hadn't

773
00:42:26,719 --> 00:42:28,560
Speaker 8: have been like a short bugle, I would have missed

774
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 8: it all together.

775
00:42:29,640 --> 00:42:31,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's a similar, dude, just trying to

776
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:34,719
Speaker 1: locate turkeys where you want something so fast and abrupt

777
00:42:35,560 --> 00:42:38,000
Speaker 1: that you can go from making the noise to listening

778
00:42:38,040 --> 00:42:38,920
Speaker 1: mode real quick.

779
00:42:39,680 --> 00:42:42,680
Speaker 8: Yep, yep, missing it all together or a lot of times,

780
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,480
Speaker 8: and I talk about this a lot of like not

781
00:42:46,640 --> 00:42:50,839
Speaker 8: buggling too much at them. There are times where if

782
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 8: I can't tell the direction off of that first bigle,

783
00:42:52,920 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 8: I'm like, dang it, now I got to call again,

784
00:42:54,360 --> 00:42:55,880
Speaker 8: you know, so I know which direction to go or

785
00:42:55,920 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 8: get the wind right. So I really want to try

786
00:42:58,000 --> 00:42:59,880
Speaker 8: to get as much information out of that first bigle,

787
00:42:59,880 --> 00:43:02,200
Speaker 8: like it back as I can without screwing it all up.

788
00:43:04,160 --> 00:43:07,759
Speaker 1: So that's the next thing to keep mine. Yep. Yeah.

789
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:10,320
Speaker 9: And then this next bugle, which actually challenge.

790
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 5: Ask a quick question, Jason, what do you hear uh

791
00:43:16,200 --> 00:43:18,880
Speaker 5: bull elk doing location bugles?

792
00:43:19,640 --> 00:43:22,280
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, if you if you go out in the morning,

793
00:43:22,320 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 8: don't make a peep and you're in a good spot

794
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:26,200
Speaker 8: with you know, the bowl of Cali ratio is high,

795
00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:28,359
Speaker 8: or there's multiple herds that have joined into you know,

796
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:31,279
Speaker 8: an overnight feed zone or whatever it is. You know,

797
00:43:31,320 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 8: we kind of call them those little bit of retfests.

798
00:43:33,560 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 8: They may be challenged back and forth, but you will

799
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 8: have bulls just locating. We've been in and It usually

800
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:41,840
Speaker 8: happens at better units just because you're getting more action.

801
00:43:42,040 --> 00:43:44,960
Speaker 8: But we've heard bulls like running up and down ridgelines

802
00:43:45,800 --> 00:43:48,120
Speaker 8: obviously just looking for cows. When we've called them in.

803
00:43:48,480 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 8: It's been probably your semi mature bulls, not quite big

804
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 8: enough to have a heard, but but definitely you know,

805
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:55,080
Speaker 8: five and a half years or older, and they'll just

806
00:43:55,160 --> 00:43:57,560
Speaker 8: run around looking for cows, locate bugleing, and they're very

807
00:43:57,640 --> 00:43:59,880
Speaker 8: very talkative, and they locate a lot and so that

808
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:02,600
Speaker 8: that's really kind of what I relate that to, is well,

809
00:44:02,719 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 8: real elker out there doing the same thing we've heard

810
00:44:05,680 --> 00:44:07,960
Speaker 8: him do it. We've we've been across the canyon and

811
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,759
Speaker 8: literally heard a bull walk up a ridge or out

812
00:44:09,760 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 8: a ridge line and beagle its way down. I'm just

813
00:44:12,480 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 8: trying to pick up cows.

814
00:44:13,719 --> 00:44:16,600
Speaker 5: You feel like he's listening for bulls to respond or

815
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:18,120
Speaker 5: cows to respond.

816
00:44:18,440 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 8: So cows to respond or cows to come to him.

817
00:44:20,920 --> 00:44:22,640
Speaker 8: Like a lot of times when I've been able to

818
00:44:22,680 --> 00:44:25,719
Speaker 8: observe like an openings or across the canyon. You know,

819
00:44:25,760 --> 00:44:27,719
Speaker 8: the way that that nature works is that buwll of

820
00:44:27,760 --> 00:44:29,959
Speaker 8: bugle and then any cow that's looking, you know, because

821
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,799
Speaker 8: the cow will choose the bull that she wants to

822
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:35,280
Speaker 8: reproduce with. That cow will just walk to that bowl

823
00:44:35,400 --> 00:44:37,600
Speaker 8: and go check him out and see if he's you know,

824
00:44:37,600 --> 00:44:41,799
Speaker 8: if he's the one so so in nature, that's how

825
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,160
Speaker 8: it's working. That bowl is running up and down ridges

826
00:44:44,239 --> 00:44:46,439
Speaker 8: or outridges, and those cows are going towards him.

827
00:44:48,239 --> 00:44:50,240
Speaker 1: Thank you. Yep.

828
00:44:51,360 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 8: So this next bugle, once we've located a bowl, now

829
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,040
Speaker 8: we're going to go into challenge beagles. And this is

830
00:44:55,040 --> 00:44:57,680
Speaker 8: where it gets a little bit fuzzy on like what

831
00:44:57,880 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 8: people consider a challenge bugle. You there's screams, there's you know,

832
00:45:02,560 --> 00:45:05,200
Speaker 8: there's chuckles, there's bark, screams, there's all of this stuff.

833
00:45:05,200 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 8: Elk will do to kind of show aggression. But what

834
00:45:07,719 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 8: I look at in the challenge bugles, when I get

835
00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,160
Speaker 8: in close, I've got the wind right I have. You

836
00:45:12,320 --> 00:45:15,960
Speaker 8: have to get within that that threat zone. Especially if

837
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 8: you're hunting herd bulls a satellite bowl, you've got a

838
00:45:18,200 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 8: little more leniency on how close you have to get.

839
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:21,600
Speaker 8: But if you're gonna steal a bull or get him

840
00:45:21,600 --> 00:45:24,120
Speaker 8: to peel away from his cows, you have to get close.

841
00:45:24,160 --> 00:45:26,520
Speaker 8: So we're talking getting in within a hundred you know,

842
00:45:26,640 --> 00:45:29,960
Speaker 8: even closer if possible, wherever the train and the and

843
00:45:30,000 --> 00:45:32,400
Speaker 8: the vegetation allows. But then we're gonna switch the challenge, Bugles.

844
00:45:32,440 --> 00:45:35,040
Speaker 8: And and when I switch to a challenge, Bugle.

845
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:38,959
Speaker 1: Just I want to comment, have time I spent hunting

846
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:43,040
Speaker 1: with you? Is your location? Bugles. I don't want to

847
00:45:43,040 --> 00:45:45,600
Speaker 1: say you're flipping about them, but you're just kind of

848
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:47,880
Speaker 1: looking for a good spot where you can hear, you know,

849
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:49,960
Speaker 1: maybe see you around a little bit and do them.

850
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: But when you go into the mode of preparing to

851
00:45:53,760 --> 00:46:01,279
Speaker 1: do that challenge, Bule, Bugle, you do not take that lightly. No, No,

852
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: I mean you are like extremely thoughtful about the wind,

853
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:10,160
Speaker 1: where you're gonna want to be, the topography probably where

854
00:46:10,200 --> 00:46:16,280
Speaker 1: exactly is that thing? How might it approach? Yeah? What shot?

855
00:46:16,320 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 1: What shot avenues do you have? How are you going

856
00:46:19,640 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: to be how are you going to move to cover

857
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:26,640
Speaker 1: or utilize cover like plan B I mean you are

858
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,520
Speaker 1: doing a lot of chess by that point. Yeah.

859
00:46:29,560 --> 00:46:32,480
Speaker 8: I mean to you know something that everybody's maybe seen

860
00:46:32,520 --> 00:46:35,160
Speaker 8: our season ten episode in New Mexico. Both are bulls.

861
00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,359
Speaker 8: We got very very tight. We kind of pushed into

862
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,160
Speaker 8: a spot on yours where we couldn't shoot, but we

863
00:46:39,200 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 8: needed to be that tight and we kind of readjusted,

864
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:43,400
Speaker 8: you know, my bawl. We locate him and then we

865
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:45,920
Speaker 8: really would we walk for an hour without making a peep,

866
00:46:46,040 --> 00:46:48,399
Speaker 8: like we put a spot on on X. We went

867
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 8: all the way around him to get the wind right

868
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:52,279
Speaker 8: and then we literally didn't beagle at him or talk

869
00:46:52,320 --> 00:46:54,040
Speaker 8: to him again. He didn't make a peep either. We

870
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:56,040
Speaker 8: just had to go on our gut. But we didn't

871
00:46:56,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 8: make a biegle until he was eighty yards away. And

872
00:46:57,960 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 8: I think you be agled a couple of times. I'd

873
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:02,080
Speaker 8: be agle a couple times, and and that bowl literally

874
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 8: had to get up out of his bed and walk

875
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:05,359
Speaker 8: thirty yards for me to get a shot. And so

876
00:47:05,400 --> 00:47:09,200
Speaker 8: it's very calculated before we go use these challenge beagles.

877
00:47:09,200 --> 00:47:11,040
Speaker 8: And like you said, I don't hold anything back. If

878
00:47:11,040 --> 00:47:15,480
Speaker 8: I did all of these other calculations right and did

879
00:47:15,480 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 8: what I and I feel like I've got a bowl

880
00:47:17,040 --> 00:47:21,200
Speaker 8: with that right temperament. Yeah, we we're gonna kind of

881
00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:23,399
Speaker 8: unleash everything we've got. And that's really what I'm going

882
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,719
Speaker 8: with on this challenge Bagle, is I'm gonna have a

883
00:47:25,719 --> 00:47:28,120
Speaker 8: little more growl In the beginning of my my Bugle,

884
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 8: I'm gonna kind of open up my vocal cords and

885
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 8: really kind of get some rasp in the middle. I'm

886
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 8: gonna end and and kind of kind of scream at him,

887
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 8: and I usually add some grunts to the end of

888
00:47:38,040 --> 00:47:40,680
Speaker 8: my Challenge Beagle. It's really just kind of throwing the

889
00:47:40,880 --> 00:47:42,920
Speaker 8: entire kitchen scenk at them to let him know that

890
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 8: I'm here to kind of take over your area or

891
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,279
Speaker 8: I'm in your zone and you're either gonna lose your

892
00:47:47,280 --> 00:47:49,439
Speaker 8: cows or you're gonna come check me out and see

893
00:47:49,440 --> 00:47:51,959
Speaker 8: if we're gonna, you know, if we're at.

894
00:47:51,880 --> 00:47:54,560
Speaker 1: Lockhorns, or we're gonna breed him.

895
00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, So that's really what we're going after

896
00:48:00,080 --> 00:48:03,120
Speaker 8: on the Challenge Bugle. And a lot of times, you know,

897
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 8: we could shock in awe whatever you want to call it.

898
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,839
Speaker 8: A lot of times if you get close enough and

899
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,440
Speaker 8: you you haven't made another call until you get there,

900
00:48:10,520 --> 00:48:13,320
Speaker 8: you really give that bowl no other chance besides coming

901
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,080
Speaker 8: and you know, dealing with you. You've got too close

902
00:48:16,120 --> 00:48:19,080
Speaker 8: to his cows, he can't take him and run. And

903
00:48:19,120 --> 00:48:22,680
Speaker 8: that's what we typically will do when we go to

904
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:25,040
Speaker 8: Challenge Bugle, and so I can I can demonstrate kind

905
00:48:25,080 --> 00:48:27,359
Speaker 8: of what my initial challenge bugle is, and a lot

906
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,120
Speaker 8: of times this bull will answer right back. Or we've

907
00:48:30,120 --> 00:48:32,000
Speaker 8: painted the picture where we may let a cow call

908
00:48:32,040 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 8: out right prior to our challenge bugle to kind of

909
00:48:35,000 --> 00:48:37,320
Speaker 8: paint the scene that there's a cow that may be

910
00:48:37,440 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 8: one of his or a cow that came to his bugle,

911
00:48:40,040 --> 00:48:42,680
Speaker 8: but now there's this other bowl very close willing.

912
00:48:42,400 --> 00:48:46,040
Speaker 9: To take care of her. So this is what my

913
00:48:46,080 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 9: typical challenge, bugle.

914
00:48:47,400 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 8: Sound like, little bit more to it, a little bit

915
00:49:01,280 --> 00:49:04,520
Speaker 8: or ask and you're really not holding anything back. You know,

916
00:49:04,560 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 8: a lot of guys ask me, you know when when

917
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:08,160
Speaker 8: we're at shows or when they're talking to me, like, hey,

918
00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:12,319
Speaker 8: I really want to a bull call that isn't as

919
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:15,959
Speaker 8: threatening or it's a smaller bowl. And I've been around

920
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 8: a lot of great callers that are just as loud

921
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,880
Speaker 8: as me. And when you're in the woods, the comparison

922
00:49:21,160 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 8: of somebody that's loud on an elk call that we

923
00:49:23,360 --> 00:49:26,400
Speaker 8: think versus a real bowl, like it's the the real

924
00:49:26,400 --> 00:49:29,080
Speaker 8: elk is always exponentially louder. So in my opinion, you

925
00:49:29,120 --> 00:49:33,040
Speaker 8: can't overblow these calls. You can't be too loud, So

926
00:49:33,080 --> 00:49:35,439
Speaker 8: we we just give it everything we've got. Where we're loud,

927
00:49:35,440 --> 00:49:38,400
Speaker 8: we're in their face, we're pointing the bugle tubes at them,

928
00:49:38,480 --> 00:49:39,920
Speaker 8: and that's kind of what I think is as a

929
00:49:40,000 --> 00:49:42,200
Speaker 8: challenge bugle. And those are the two that I probably

930
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:45,319
Speaker 8: use ninety five percent of the time when we're out

931
00:49:45,320 --> 00:49:47,480
Speaker 8: there hunting. And then there's those what I would consider

932
00:49:47,520 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 8: kind of the third category, uh, which the first one

933
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:54,760
Speaker 8: that I'm going to say is accessory bugles or accessory noises.

934
00:49:54,800 --> 00:49:58,600
Speaker 8: And raking is one of those sounds that isn't what

935
00:49:58,719 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 8: necessarily in you know, coming from a call, but it's

936
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:03,959
Speaker 8: something that we can all do. And there's some great

937
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 8: elk hunters out there that rake more than they call,

938
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:09,600
Speaker 8: and so we typically always add that in to our

939
00:50:09,640 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 8: calling scenarios. It adds a ton of realism and elk

940
00:50:13,320 --> 00:50:17,160
Speaker 8: just you know it. I feel it turns our temperature

941
00:50:17,200 --> 00:50:19,400
Speaker 8: up a little bit, adds some some of that aggressiveness,

942
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:21,480
Speaker 8: and it's a sign of the bulls mark in his territory.

943
00:50:21,480 --> 00:50:24,520
Speaker 8: You know, he's put in his scent and marking those trees.

944
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 8: And so I think raking is something that should be

945
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 8: included in almost every call in and then you've got

946
00:50:31,600 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 8: all these other sounds that elk will make. You know,

947
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,640
Speaker 8: and I'm not gonna get into the to the intricacies

948
00:50:36,640 --> 00:50:39,120
Speaker 8: of whether what I consider a chuckle is different than

949
00:50:39,160 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 8: a grunt. So you got like chuckles, which you usually

950
00:50:41,160 --> 00:50:44,600
Speaker 8: typically like very quick and almost ape like sounds. You've

951
00:50:44,600 --> 00:50:47,040
Speaker 8: got grunts, which what I just did it's more elk sound,

952
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:51,080
Speaker 8: more of a of a slower paced, more elky. You've

953
00:50:51,120 --> 00:50:53,439
Speaker 8: got screams, so there's a lot of times where bulls

954
00:50:53,480 --> 00:50:55,560
Speaker 8: will get madder and like a screaming match, it's very

955
00:50:55,600 --> 00:50:58,200
Speaker 8: short burst to you know, two seconds max. Where it's

956
00:50:58,320 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 8: very raspy and just kind of a scream. Bulls a

957
00:51:01,960 --> 00:51:03,600
Speaker 8: lot of times if you do make a sound and

958
00:51:03,600 --> 00:51:05,879
Speaker 8: they'll see you, they'll bark at you, and then you've

959
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 8: got all those moans that that they'll make as there

960
00:51:08,840 --> 00:51:13,200
Speaker 8: is there following cows or even like glunking is those

961
00:51:13,200 --> 00:51:15,920
Speaker 8: bulls are right on a hot cow as they're pushing

962
00:51:15,920 --> 00:51:17,520
Speaker 8: the cal around, and usually if you can hear glunky,

963
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,560
Speaker 8: you know you're within eighty two hundred yards. And those

964
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,399
Speaker 8: are kind of those accessory sounds that we always throw

965
00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:26,520
Speaker 8: in the situations to add more realism.

966
00:51:27,040 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: Would you say, like, uh, I didn't hear you say

967
00:51:30,239 --> 00:51:32,880
Speaker 3: like a lip ball in there? Would you say, like,

968
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:37,480
Speaker 3: that's like the most aggressive, like because I've heard that before.

969
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:40,760
Speaker 3: You know what I'm saying, Like, is that like the

970
00:51:40,760 --> 00:51:44,880
Speaker 3: the high end of all this most being most suggressive

971
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:45,680
Speaker 3: for calling.

972
00:51:45,600 --> 00:51:47,200
Speaker 8: That's a that's a great question, And a lot of

973
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:51,160
Speaker 8: times lip balls, I'd use a lot of mimicry. So

974
00:51:51,200 --> 00:51:52,960
Speaker 8: if the bull I'm calling at me is gonna lip

975
00:51:52,960 --> 00:51:55,200
Speaker 8: ball in this challenge bugle, I'm gonna do that. If

976
00:51:55,200 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 8: the bull that I'm calling in wants to, you know,

977
00:51:58,160 --> 00:52:00,799
Speaker 8: do a three second challenge bugle with four runts, I'm

978
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 8: gonna mimic him exactly. And one thing I really love

979
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:05,760
Speaker 8: to do that really seems to get them more fired

980
00:52:05,840 --> 00:52:08,399
Speaker 8: up is if I start my bugle about halfway through

981
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:10,799
Speaker 8: theirs and I don't let them finish their bugle. It

982
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 8: seems to be a way to just like, you know,

983
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:14,880
Speaker 8: piss them off a little bit more. And so we

984
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,000
Speaker 8: use a lot of mimicry. But yeah, lipball is a

985
00:52:17,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 8: great way to add to the challenge bugle. You know,

986
00:52:20,560 --> 00:52:22,759
Speaker 8: one thing I've noticed is the further south you go,

987
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:26,319
Speaker 8: the higher percentage of lip bowling type bulls there are

988
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,480
Speaker 8: the further north you are, it doesn't you know, there

989
00:52:28,480 --> 00:52:30,959
Speaker 8: may be more chuckles or grunts, Like can you crank

990
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:32,359
Speaker 8: out a couple of these noises real quick?

991
00:52:32,840 --> 00:52:33,040
Speaker 2: Yeah?

992
00:52:33,080 --> 00:52:34,799
Speaker 1: So I want to I want to tell you something

993
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:38,040
Speaker 1: to that I don't know if I told you about yet. Uh,

994
00:52:38,320 --> 00:52:43,719
Speaker 1: you're talking about thrash and brush right, yep. One. I

995
00:52:43,760 --> 00:52:47,640
Speaker 1: was haunting Moose with Clay last year in Alaska. We

996
00:52:47,640 --> 00:52:50,880
Speaker 1: were going down a hill on the last day of

997
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:53,680
Speaker 1: the season. We were going down a hill to go

998
00:52:53,760 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: to a bowl that was about a mile away that

999
00:52:55,600 --> 00:52:59,840
Speaker 1: we just saw, and we were going down the hill fast.

1000
00:53:00,120 --> 00:53:02,320
Speaker 1: It was like evening on the last day. We're running

1001
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,920
Speaker 1: down the hill trying to get to a place, hoping

1002
00:53:05,960 --> 00:53:09,120
Speaker 1: to hit an opening where we might be able to

1003
00:53:09,160 --> 00:53:13,040
Speaker 1: call from. But it was just dense thicket, just like

1004
00:53:13,200 --> 00:53:17,839
Speaker 1: just never ending aspen. As we ran down that hill,

1005
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:19,759
Speaker 1: We're making so much noise because it was just like

1006
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,839
Speaker 1: there's nothing to lose at that point. We ran down

1007
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,279
Speaker 1: that hill and stopped and realized that bowl we never

1008
00:53:26,360 --> 00:53:31,640
Speaker 1: called that bowl was coming. Two bulls were coming up

1009
00:53:31,680 --> 00:53:35,840
Speaker 1: that hill and met us dead on just because of

1010
00:53:35,840 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 1: the noise we're making coming down that hill, yep, And

1011
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:40,200
Speaker 1: we were making a tell of a lot of noise

1012
00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: climbing over all this burned down junk, all this burned

1013
00:53:43,120 --> 00:53:47,400
Speaker 1: down spruced it was growing back as an aspen. Just smash, crash, bam.

1014
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:51,040
Speaker 1: It probably sounded like a hell of a fight. And

1015
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 1: we stopped to call and realized that they're standing there

1016
00:53:54,040 --> 00:53:57,759
Speaker 1: like they're looking for us based off that noise. Yep.

1017
00:53:58,520 --> 00:54:00,360
Speaker 8: You know, when we were in New Mexico out at

1018
00:54:00,360 --> 00:54:02,719
Speaker 8: a couple of days prior, and one day I was

1019
00:54:02,800 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 8: trying to get through an area I knew there were

1020
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,040
Speaker 8: elk and just walking through the grass, I had to

1021
00:54:07,080 --> 00:54:09,200
Speaker 8: hang out behind a tree for about fifteen minutes because

1022
00:54:09,200 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 8: that bold chased me down the hill just hearing my

1023
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:14,280
Speaker 8: feet walk through the grass. And so my dad always

1024
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:15,799
Speaker 8: kind of joked with me. And we grew up in

1025
00:54:15,800 --> 00:54:18,080
Speaker 8: a rifle hunting elk family, where you know, they go

1026
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,440
Speaker 8: out and hunting their white new balances so they can

1027
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:22,520
Speaker 8: be absolutely silent. You know, that's the type of elk

1028
00:54:22,600 --> 00:54:24,920
Speaker 8: hunting I grew up with. My Dad's like, you know what, Jason,

1029
00:54:24,960 --> 00:54:27,040
Speaker 8: you're not real quiet. You're meant to be an archvl hunter.

1030
00:54:27,080 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 8: And it really did kind of play to my favorite

1031
00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,920
Speaker 8: because I'm I'm stepping on sticks and cracking brush and

1032
00:54:32,280 --> 00:54:34,279
Speaker 8: it just kind of works for an archvl hunter, you know,

1033
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,359
Speaker 8: cause an eight hundred pound animal in the landscape, they

1034
00:54:37,360 --> 00:54:39,520
Speaker 8: can be whispered quiet at times, but for the majority

1035
00:54:39,560 --> 00:54:41,880
Speaker 8: of the time they're gonna make noise, which you just

1036
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:45,319
Speaker 8: add that realism into it. And elk Elk definitely take

1037
00:54:45,520 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 8: note on the noises that they're hearing.

1038
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,200
Speaker 1: Is yes, especially when if you've ever listened to a

1039
00:54:49,239 --> 00:54:52,040
Speaker 1: half dozen of them playing grab ass on a steep slope,

1040
00:54:52,080 --> 00:54:52,800
Speaker 1: it's loud.

1041
00:54:53,600 --> 00:54:56,120
Speaker 3: Oh that's one of my favorite things ever. You're sitting

1042
00:54:56,120 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 3: there eating lunch or something and you hear that, you

1043
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: can I can just picture it that that downfall branch

1044
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:05,840
Speaker 3: go pop and you know, and you're like that was

1045
00:55:05,880 --> 00:55:07,000
Speaker 3: a big animal, you know.

1046
00:55:07,360 --> 00:55:10,280
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, so raking.

1047
00:55:11,360 --> 00:55:12,879
Speaker 1: I can't make that sound in here.

1048
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:15,799
Speaker 8: But you know, I always recommend you get a big stick,

1049
00:55:15,840 --> 00:55:17,960
Speaker 8: and everybody wants to grab a little twig, Like, get

1050
00:55:18,000 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 8: something that's robust, not going to break on you through it.

1051
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: And the other thing is like yeah before he sets

1052
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:26,359
Speaker 1: to it, Yeah yeah, I mean.

1053
00:55:26,320 --> 00:55:29,480
Speaker 5: Yeah, if you're your knuckles and fingers aren't bloody. You're

1054
00:55:29,520 --> 00:55:31,120
Speaker 5: not making enough noise and trying.

1055
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:34,960
Speaker 8: Yeah, and I like to I like to be as

1056
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:36,959
Speaker 8: realistic as possible. So I try to find a couple

1057
00:55:36,960 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 8: of limbs, you know, from two feet up the tree

1058
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:40,799
Speaker 8: to four feet and you just kind of rattle back

1059
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:42,600
Speaker 8: and forth, you know, you hit the brush and you

1060
00:55:42,680 --> 00:55:44,879
Speaker 8: hit the top limb, hit the bottom limb. I don't

1061
00:55:44,920 --> 00:55:46,920
Speaker 8: know if it matters that much, MAYI There are times

1062
00:55:46,920 --> 00:55:48,880
Speaker 8: where I want to break a bunch of small, small

1063
00:55:48,920 --> 00:55:49,640
Speaker 8: limbs just.

1064
00:55:49,520 --> 00:55:50,279
Speaker 1: To add to it.

1065
00:55:50,600 --> 00:55:53,480
Speaker 8: You know, you can kick the ground, but you know raking,

1066
00:55:53,520 --> 00:55:56,319
Speaker 8: that's that's it's easy. But yeah, like you really need

1067
00:55:56,320 --> 00:55:58,320
Speaker 8: to get into it and and picking up a bigger

1068
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:01,040
Speaker 8: stick make sure that you can get through that. Chuckles,

1069
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,040
Speaker 8: like I said, are a little more ape like, So

1070
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,279
Speaker 8: a lot of times you'll get these on the end

1071
00:56:05,280 --> 00:56:08,040
Speaker 8: of a bugle around here where I've got roosevelts in

1072
00:56:08,040 --> 00:56:09,640
Speaker 8: my backyard. I grew up with a lot of our

1073
00:56:09,680 --> 00:56:11,839
Speaker 8: bulls chuckling and grunting more so than like the high

1074
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:14,880
Speaker 8: notes that we're talking about. But here's what a chuckle er.

1075
00:56:14,920 --> 00:56:23,680
Speaker 8: In my opinion, a chuckle sounds like so a little

1076
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:26,480
Speaker 8: less elk sound a little more ape like, where the

1077
00:56:26,520 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 8: grunts are a little more drawn out. They get a

1078
00:56:28,080 --> 00:56:30,280
Speaker 8: little bit more of that high pitch from from the bowl.

1079
00:56:30,760 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1080
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: Man, and his belly gets into it. Yeah, yeah, like

1081
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:40,040
Speaker 1: his belly is like bouncing, you know, not his belly

1082
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:43,200
Speaker 1: might be bouncing. I know that's between him and his wife.

1083
00:56:43,440 --> 00:56:44,879
Speaker 1: I'm talking about they have the bull.

1084
00:56:47,040 --> 00:56:55,279
Speaker 8: So so here's what I would consider a grunt. It's

1085
00:56:55,320 --> 00:56:59,399
Speaker 8: a little more that elkie sound. Scream like I say,

1086
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,440
Speaker 8: two two and a half second, real raspy, real short.

1087
00:57:02,480 --> 00:57:04,520
Speaker 1: And usually when you get a bowld.

1088
00:57:04,320 --> 00:57:06,720
Speaker 8: To scream back at you, his temper is very high

1089
00:57:06,760 --> 00:57:08,920
Speaker 8: and we usually have real good success with calling them

1090
00:57:08,920 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 8: in and if they scream, I'll typically scream m So

1091
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:18,680
Speaker 8: it's a scream and then you got your barks, and

1092
00:57:18,720 --> 00:57:20,600
Speaker 8: a lot of times you'll when you do hear a bark,

1093
00:57:20,640 --> 00:57:23,400
Speaker 8: it's it's about my second least favorite sound to hear

1094
00:57:23,480 --> 00:57:27,120
Speaker 8: in the elk wood, aside from wolves howling. But barks

1095
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 8: usually they have seen seen something they don't like or

1096
00:57:31,360 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 8: heard something they don't like, but they can't necessarily get

1097
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:37,600
Speaker 8: wind on you. So a bark's really a come show

1098
00:57:37,640 --> 00:57:39,520
Speaker 8: me your you know, come show yourself or I'm out

1099
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,840
Speaker 8: of here, I'm on alert. But and then what we

1100
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:43,960
Speaker 8: will do in response is will bark back at him,

1101
00:57:43,960 --> 00:57:46,360
Speaker 8: because you're basically saying, well, I seen and heard something

1102
00:57:46,360 --> 00:57:49,720
Speaker 8: I don't like. You show yourself. And in twenty nineteen

1103
00:57:49,760 --> 00:57:51,320
Speaker 8: when I was in Wyoming, I have a bowl bark

1104
00:57:51,320 --> 00:57:53,480
Speaker 8: at me, and I bark back at him and he

1105
00:57:53,560 --> 00:57:55,040
Speaker 8: kind of comes trotting out in the middle of open

1106
00:57:55,040 --> 00:57:56,800
Speaker 8: and I was able to get a shot. So always

1107
00:57:56,800 --> 00:57:59,400
Speaker 8: be if you get bark at, bark right back at him.

1108
00:57:59,400 --> 00:58:03,120
Speaker 8: But it's just a quick blast of you know, it's

1109
00:58:03,160 --> 00:58:04,479
Speaker 8: it's a come show yourself sound.

1110
00:58:08,640 --> 00:58:10,760
Speaker 1: So you get like he's nervous, and you might set

1111
00:58:10,800 --> 00:58:14,400
Speaker 1: him at ease by by doing it back like oh

1112
00:58:14,440 --> 00:58:17,360
Speaker 1: there's another help. Yeah, yeah, there's you can hold him

1113
00:58:17,400 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 1: for a long time with their warning cry is you

1114
00:58:22,320 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: can turn the tide on antelope big time on prong

1115
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,400
Speaker 1: horns with their own warning call back at.

1116
00:58:28,360 --> 00:58:30,960
Speaker 9: Him, get him to hang out.

1117
00:58:31,040 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: They'll they'll start coming more if you start. If you

1118
00:58:34,000 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: hide and start doing it back at him, it just

1119
00:58:35,960 --> 00:58:37,360
Speaker 1: really gets their curiosity.

1120
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:39,880
Speaker 3: Can you do that? And that's a weird Yeah, it's

1121
00:58:39,880 --> 00:58:40,160
Speaker 3: like a.

1122
00:58:41,600 --> 00:58:43,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean I'm not good at it, but man,

1123
00:58:43,200 --> 00:58:46,120
Speaker 1: you can you can take one. It's gonna be out

1124
00:58:46,320 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 1: and and he'll start coming. He'll be he'll like turn

1125
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:55,080
Speaker 1: around and start going back your direction. I don't think

1126
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,240
Speaker 1: they hear it a lot from people, for sure.

1127
00:58:58,480 --> 00:59:02,320
Speaker 2: All that out phil idea, Yeah.

1128
00:59:02,200 --> 00:59:04,960
Speaker 8: Right, and then uh, you like the mones and stuff,

1129
00:59:05,520 --> 00:59:07,440
Speaker 8: you know, but if they bark, usually what happens. If

1130
00:59:07,480 --> 00:59:09,440
Speaker 8: they don't see what they like, they're gonna run out

1131
00:59:09,440 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 8: the ridge and scare every elkre let, every elk in

1132
00:59:11,440 --> 00:59:14,040
Speaker 8: the whole entire country know that they and they bark

1133
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:17,040
Speaker 8: for you know, until you can't see them anymore. So

1134
00:59:17,080 --> 00:59:19,160
Speaker 8: it's best to get them calm back down. And then

1135
00:59:19,200 --> 00:59:21,400
Speaker 8: mones are just those sounds as he's running his herd

1136
00:59:21,960 --> 00:59:23,560
Speaker 8: as we get in tight, you know, you'll hear him

1137
00:59:23,600 --> 00:59:26,280
Speaker 8: making little sounds that you can't hear from very far away,

1138
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:29,280
Speaker 8: and we just add those in for for realism. This

1139
00:59:29,360 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 8: is kind of what a moan just real light on

1140
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:40,480
Speaker 8: the latex. So as they're pushing cows around, they're just

1141
00:59:40,480 --> 00:59:43,480
Speaker 8: making small little noises that just at like I say,

1142
00:59:43,560 --> 00:59:46,240
Speaker 8: just you're just adding to the realism. They're more accessory sounds.

1143
00:59:46,280 --> 00:59:49,640
Speaker 8: But there are times when we'll throw those in just

1144
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,720
Speaker 8: to be part.

1145
00:59:50,960 --> 00:59:53,760
Speaker 3: I feel like I kind of hear that too sometimes, Jason,

1146
00:59:53,800 --> 00:59:57,160
Speaker 3: when they're they're sleeping, when they're or they're just in

1147
00:59:57,200 --> 01:00:00,760
Speaker 3: their beds right like almost like a moan. It's like

1148
01:00:00,800 --> 01:00:03,000
Speaker 3: a real quiet like little yep.

1149
01:00:03,560 --> 01:00:03,720
Speaker 6: You know.

1150
01:00:03,800 --> 01:00:07,040
Speaker 8: One thing that they do. It takes a fairly trained ear.

1151
01:00:07,120 --> 01:00:10,080
Speaker 8: But location bugles. We talked about him being high pitch

1152
01:00:10,400 --> 01:00:13,320
Speaker 8: and sharp and to the point, like a betted bull.

1153
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:15,880
Speaker 8: To a trained ear, we can we can pick out

1154
01:00:15,960 --> 01:00:17,800
Speaker 8: usually when it's a bedded boil. Yeah, the time of

1155
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,200
Speaker 8: day usually helps us do that as well. But you'll

1156
01:00:20,200 --> 01:00:22,400
Speaker 8: know if a bull's on his feet versus betted, especially

1157
01:00:22,400 --> 01:00:24,840
Speaker 8: if you fold that same bowl all morning, his his

1158
01:00:25,000 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 8: bugle cuts to about half intensity. It's a real lazy bugle.

1159
01:00:29,200 --> 01:00:30,760
Speaker 8: And so you can, you know, start to tell when

1160
01:00:30,800 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 8: that bull's betted. Everything gets a little bit softer and

1161
01:00:33,280 --> 01:00:34,320
Speaker 8: quieter and deeper.

1162
01:00:36,360 --> 01:00:39,240
Speaker 1: All right, Phelps you good man? Yeah, yeah, thanks for

1163
01:00:39,280 --> 01:00:42,120
Speaker 1: having me on. Yeah man, So everybody as gearing up.

1164
01:00:42,160 --> 01:00:45,880
Speaker 1: Check out Phelps game calls. Uh, just a true Elk

1165
01:00:45,920 --> 01:00:50,919
Speaker 1: call and mastermind elk great elk call maker, great communicator.

1166
01:00:50,960 --> 01:00:52,680
Speaker 1: He'll give you all of his hot spots. Just hit

1167
01:00:52,760 --> 01:00:58,320
Speaker 1: him up. Off Jason, we're gonna have Auction Off Phelps

1168
01:00:58,360 --> 01:01:01,960
Speaker 1: is on x password at the Auction House Bodies.

1169
01:01:03,040 --> 01:01:05,760
Speaker 5: If you want to listen to like full I don't

1170
01:01:05,800 --> 01:01:08,160
Speaker 5: know how long the show is usually Jason forty five

1171
01:01:08,200 --> 01:01:10,520
Speaker 5: minutes an hour. Cutting the Distance Yep.

1172
01:01:11,160 --> 01:01:13,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but you can go. Yeah, we're we're just getting ready.

1173
01:01:13,720 --> 01:01:16,000
Speaker 8: Dirk's gonna jump on as a as a co host

1174
01:01:16,080 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 8: here by time this drop, So we're gonna for the

1175
01:01:18,160 --> 01:01:20,400
Speaker 8: next couple of months. You're gonna get as much elk

1176
01:01:20,440 --> 01:01:22,040
Speaker 8: hunting information as you you want to do.

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01:01:22,160 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 4: That.

1178
01:01:22,360 --> 01:01:25,440
Speaker 1: That's that's a great heads up. So thanks for the reminder, Yahni,

1179
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:30,720
Speaker 1: go listen to Cutting the Distance so hosted by Jason Phelps,

1180
01:01:30,720 --> 01:01:33,360
Speaker 1: Dirt Durham. There that that used to be bi weekly,

1181
01:01:33,400 --> 01:01:36,919
Speaker 1: it's not weekly. And when these boys going to elk

1182
01:01:37,000 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: mode this time of year, it's just gonna be all

1183
01:01:38,920 --> 01:01:41,520
Speaker 1: elk all the time. So you'll you'll you'll learn more

1184
01:01:41,560 --> 01:01:45,120
Speaker 1: than you can remember by checking that out. And again,

1185
01:01:45,200 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 1: man like just lifelong elk hunter, grew up hunting the

1186
01:01:49,240 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: hardest elk on the planet in the Pacific Northwest. Phenomenal calls.

1187
01:01:54,040 --> 01:01:55,160
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot Phelps.

1188
01:01:55,400 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 9: Thanks, thanks guys.

1189
01:01:57,880 --> 01:02:03,040
Speaker 1: All right, Dave Smith, Yes, why uh give me the

1190
01:02:03,040 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: crash course on how DSD came into existence.

1191
01:02:07,560 --> 01:02:10,600
Speaker 2: The short, not not so boring version. It's all boring.

1192
01:02:11,720 --> 01:02:17,000
Speaker 2: The crash course is I was massively into goose hunting

1193
01:02:17,600 --> 01:02:21,640
Speaker 2: and I didn't have any decoys. I couldn't find any

1194
01:02:21,680 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 2: decoys that were working the way that I thought that they.

1195
01:02:23,560 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 1: Should back up way more than that, Okay, I mean

1196
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,320
Speaker 1: I feel like I was born, I was an anemic child.

1197
01:02:30,440 --> 01:02:33,840
Speaker 2: I was born. I was born in Cottonwood, Idaho, and okay,

1198
01:02:34,400 --> 01:02:37,480
Speaker 2: born in Idaho. Well, so yeah, I was born in Idaho. Yeah,

1199
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:41,400
Speaker 2: I mean my I had an older brother. I say

1200
01:02:41,440 --> 01:02:43,680
Speaker 2: had because he did pass away when I was nineteen.

1201
01:02:43,920 --> 01:02:46,280
Speaker 2: When he was nineteen, I was seventeen, and he and

1202
01:02:46,320 --> 01:02:49,120
Speaker 2: I we dreamed about goose hunting our entire lives, Like

1203
01:02:49,160 --> 01:02:53,240
Speaker 2: we used to literally like drop you know, pictures of

1204
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:54,680
Speaker 2: goose hunting with crayons.

1205
01:02:54,760 --> 01:02:57,880
Speaker 1: So when most kids have drawn army tanks and monster tracks,

1206
01:02:57,920 --> 01:02:59,360
Speaker 1: you guys are growing goose hunting.

1207
01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:01,360
Speaker 2: Pretty much, and it's it's kind of a weird thing.

1208
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:05,240
Speaker 2: I mean, like our dad hunted, but then he was

1209
01:03:05,280 --> 01:03:09,320
Speaker 2: a great, great archer, but he hunted mostly before we

1210
01:03:09,640 --> 01:03:12,400
Speaker 2: were born. But my brother and I, we both had

1211
01:03:12,440 --> 01:03:16,280
Speaker 2: the hunting gene, you know, for sure, we could just tell.

1212
01:03:16,680 --> 01:03:18,920
Speaker 2: And for some reason we were just obsessed with geeese,

1213
01:03:19,040 --> 01:03:21,560
Speaker 2: even though we didn't we didn't really have any exposure

1214
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:24,280
Speaker 2: to goose hunting, and we didn't even have any geeese around,

1215
01:03:24,440 --> 01:03:29,640
Speaker 2: and so all of a sudden we started getting geese.

1216
01:03:29,560 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: Because you're you're old enough that goose numbers weren't what

1217
01:03:32,000 --> 01:03:32,280
Speaker 1: they are.

1218
01:03:33,160 --> 01:03:36,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, So where I live in the Willammett Valley of Oregon,

1219
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:40,000
Speaker 2: there's they really the only goose was the dusky Canada goose,

1220
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,640
Speaker 2: so and those and so in the sixties, there was

1221
01:03:43,680 --> 01:03:48,120
Speaker 2: an earthquake in Alaska that uplifted the delta where they

1222
01:03:48,240 --> 01:03:51,400
Speaker 2: where they nest, and then all of a sudden, mammalion

1223
01:03:51,440 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 2: predators could access it. So the numbers of Dusky Canada geese,

1224
01:03:56,400 --> 01:03:57,840
Speaker 2: you know, really crashed.

1225
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:02,760
Speaker 1: So there was hunt a spot. I have haunted a spot.

1226
01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:06,840
Speaker 1: Haunt I have haunted a spot in Alaska that was

1227
01:04:07,480 --> 01:04:11,960
Speaker 1: hay Fields and it recessed and became marsh in the

1228
01:04:11,960 --> 01:04:12,640
Speaker 1: same earthquake.

1229
01:04:13,000 --> 01:04:15,200
Speaker 2: That's oh, that's good to hear. It became a wetland

1230
01:04:15,240 --> 01:04:17,040
Speaker 2: in the earthquake. Yeah, so what happened.

1231
01:04:17,080 --> 01:04:20,000
Speaker 1: We're still equipment laying out there. Yeah, that things sunk.

1232
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, That's that's what I think with all this stuff,

1233
01:04:22,280 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 2: there should be there should be an upside. That can't

1234
01:04:24,360 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 2: always be a downside only you know, like and that

1235
01:04:27,400 --> 01:04:30,600
Speaker 2: probably that probably helped cacklers, you know.

1236
01:04:30,720 --> 01:04:31,080
Speaker 1: Got it.

1237
01:04:31,440 --> 01:04:35,440
Speaker 2: So so we had we did have geese in the

1238
01:04:35,520 --> 01:04:39,520
Speaker 2: valley and we couldn't hunt them, and and there was

1239
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:41,919
Speaker 2: a while where we could. And when I was very young,

1240
01:04:42,120 --> 01:04:45,160
Speaker 2: I I went to you know, quite a quite an

1241
01:04:45,160 --> 01:04:47,240
Speaker 2: effort to hunt, to hunt them, and that's all we

1242
01:04:47,240 --> 01:04:50,000
Speaker 2: could hunt is dusky Kennedy's I mean I built, I would.

1243
01:04:50,040 --> 01:04:52,720
Speaker 2: I would dig pits with a shovel, big huge pits,

1244
01:04:52,800 --> 01:04:55,800
Speaker 2: pits with a shovel, and build these really elaborate wooden

1245
01:04:55,840 --> 01:04:58,240
Speaker 2: pits with like trap doors that you know, sprang open

1246
01:04:58,280 --> 01:05:00,400
Speaker 2: and swivel chairs and everything, and going to off them

1247
01:05:00,400 --> 01:05:03,160
Speaker 2: into those those holes. And I made homemade decoys out

1248
01:05:03,200 --> 01:05:05,440
Speaker 2: of you know, I mean, it was dirt poor, So

1249
01:05:05,480 --> 01:05:07,840
Speaker 2: I made decoys out of like, you know, canvas, bags

1250
01:05:07,840 --> 01:05:09,880
Speaker 2: and anything I possibly could.

1251
01:05:09,920 --> 01:05:13,720
Speaker 1: And you know, uh, the first I have pictures of

1252
01:05:14,240 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: me and my brother Danny in high school hunting geese

1253
01:05:17,120 --> 01:05:19,840
Speaker 1: when they first opened the early goose season in Michigan.

1254
01:05:20,240 --> 01:05:24,000
Speaker 1: And our decoys. We took five gallon buckets, cut them

1255
01:05:24,040 --> 01:05:32,080
Speaker 1: in half length wise and then made plywood heads and

1256
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:35,240
Speaker 1: laid out all those five gallon buckets with plywood heads on,

1257
01:05:35,520 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: and then sat smoking making corn cob pipes because the

1258
01:05:39,280 --> 01:05:42,680
Speaker 1: corn was still standing, making corn cob pipes and smoking

1259
01:05:42,680 --> 01:05:44,680
Speaker 1: corn silks. And they're trying to get a goose to

1260
01:05:44,760 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: land in those buckets. Yeah, I mean, like for us

1261
01:05:49,080 --> 01:05:51,200
Speaker 1: to get a goose to even fly by and range

1262
01:05:51,320 --> 01:05:52,240
Speaker 1: was a big deal.

1263
01:05:52,680 --> 01:05:55,680
Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, and it's like, yeah, all those decoys were

1264
01:05:55,680 --> 01:05:58,000
Speaker 2: working reasonably well, and then somebody had to come along

1265
01:05:58,040 --> 01:06:01,360
Speaker 2: and make like an ultra realistic it's arms race, right, yeah,

1266
01:06:01,440 --> 01:06:04,680
Speaker 2: it's exactly. And and and then it kind of had

1267
01:06:04,960 --> 01:06:08,960
Speaker 2: affected the whole industry, you know, so and then everybody

1268
01:06:09,040 --> 01:06:14,000
Speaker 2: had to make realistic decoys. So but in my in

1269
01:06:14,000 --> 01:06:16,600
Speaker 2: my case, I got to the point where more and

1270
01:06:16,640 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 2: more geese we were were wintering in our in our valley,

1271
01:06:20,240 --> 01:06:22,480
Speaker 2: So they has numbers improved, Oh, they were just they

1272
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:23,960
Speaker 2: just kept coming up and up and up, and so.

1273
01:06:23,920 --> 01:06:26,680
Speaker 1: There was it was it changing agriculture practices or was

1274
01:06:26,720 --> 01:06:28,200
Speaker 1: just geese numbers were increasing.

1275
01:06:28,400 --> 01:06:32,520
Speaker 2: It was neither, honestly neither. So what was happening is

1276
01:06:32,960 --> 01:06:36,600
Speaker 2: all the geese. So the dusky dusky numbers never really

1277
01:06:36,840 --> 01:06:40,040
Speaker 2: came came up to levels that are like they're not

1278
01:06:40,040 --> 01:06:43,240
Speaker 2: they're not huntable or anything like that. What happened was

1279
01:06:44,360 --> 01:06:46,600
Speaker 2: all the geese that were wintering in the Central Valley

1280
01:06:46,640 --> 01:06:50,720
Speaker 2: of California or northern California. It's just started just started

1281
01:06:50,760 --> 01:06:53,000
Speaker 2: wintering in the Willhammette Valley.

1282
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:55,080
Speaker 1: Because of drought patterns or it's not well understood.

1283
01:06:55,240 --> 01:06:58,520
Speaker 2: I don't know, because that that changes, that that goes

1284
01:06:58,560 --> 01:07:00,720
Speaker 2: in cycles, you know, every ten or twenty years, and

1285
01:07:00,760 --> 01:07:03,120
Speaker 2: we're starting to get snows where we never had snows before.

1286
01:07:03,560 --> 01:07:05,800
Speaker 2: Things like that has changed, and I don't really know

1287
01:07:05,840 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 2: the answer, so that only the geese snow. But so

1288
01:07:10,120 --> 01:07:12,240
Speaker 2: so now we had all these these geese and nobody

1289
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,959
Speaker 2: really knew how to hunt them, and they were trying

1290
01:07:14,960 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 2: to work out a way that you could hunt them

1291
01:07:16,920 --> 01:07:20,680
Speaker 2: because the farmers were, you know, kind of alarmed by this,

1292
01:07:21,160 --> 01:07:23,000
Speaker 2: so they worked out a way where you could hunt.

1293
01:07:23,240 --> 01:07:26,440
Speaker 2: You could hunt Canada geese. We had seven subspecies of

1294
01:07:26,480 --> 01:07:27,880
Speaker 2: Canada geese in the valley.

1295
01:07:27,960 --> 01:07:31,440
Speaker 1: And but that was before they shrank, didn't it didn't

1296
01:07:31,480 --> 01:07:36,600
Speaker 1: we go just because of lumpers and splitters in taxonomy.

1297
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: Didn't we go from twenty eight geese down to three

1298
01:07:39,840 --> 01:07:44,360
Speaker 1: or four? Well, because the Ornithological Society one day to said,

1299
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,360
Speaker 1: just scrap all that. It's just it's we're splitting hairs.

1300
01:07:47,560 --> 01:07:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's definitely there's definitely some of that.

1301
01:07:49,640 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: It went from twenty eight down to maybe eleven and

1302
01:07:53,240 --> 01:07:57,400
Speaker 2: one that's extinct. But people still argue about that, you know,

1303
01:07:57,640 --> 01:08:03,280
Speaker 2: like so there's isolating breeding, there's isolated breeding groups, especially

1304
01:08:03,320 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 2: of lessers, and some people will say that is a

1305
01:08:05,240 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: separate subspecies, and some people will say it's the same.

1306
01:08:07,960 --> 01:08:11,360
Speaker 2: And that part is so confusing. I mean, nobody knows

1307
01:08:11,440 --> 01:08:12,680
Speaker 2: the real, the real answer.

1308
01:08:12,720 --> 01:08:15,960
Speaker 1: But yeah, maybe because it's all definitional and just varies

1309
01:08:15,960 --> 01:08:20,160
Speaker 1: on the person. It's just it's it's highly subjective, right yeah.

1310
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:24,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, So what what we were most concerned I was

1311
01:08:24,320 --> 01:08:26,600
Speaker 2: concerned about is just like from a legal standpoint, what

1312
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 2: we could shoot and what we couldn't and everything. So

1313
01:08:29,320 --> 01:08:32,759
Speaker 2: you had to take a course and pass the course

1314
01:08:32,800 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 2: that proves that you would know how to hunt without

1315
01:08:35,040 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: shooting a dusky Canada goose and tell me more.

1316
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:39,600
Speaker 1: I don't know that I've ever laid eyes on a

1317
01:08:39,680 --> 01:08:43,000
Speaker 1: dusky Okay, so tell me what, like, walk me through this.

1318
01:08:43,200 --> 01:08:46,080
Speaker 2: They're they're really pretty, they're really neat birds. They're they're

1319
01:08:46,120 --> 01:08:48,040
Speaker 2: and they're sort of cool because they're sort of like

1320
01:08:48,120 --> 01:08:51,840
Speaker 2: our are our original goose. They're kind of like like

1321
01:08:51,920 --> 01:08:54,320
Speaker 2: co hosts am and our cutthroat trout or you know,

1322
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,080
Speaker 2: black tailed deer where I live. So they're medium large

1323
01:08:58,120 --> 01:09:01,479
Speaker 2: goose and they're very, very very dark. So thank god

1324
01:09:01,520 --> 01:09:04,559
Speaker 2: they're really dark, because otherwise, you know, in flight, there

1325
01:09:04,560 --> 01:09:07,040
Speaker 2: wouldn't be any great way to are there.

1326
01:09:07,080 --> 01:09:08,760
Speaker 1: Do they still have a white cheek or is that

1327
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:11,679
Speaker 1: white cheek as duskier too, so that white cheek is white?

1328
01:09:12,040 --> 01:09:15,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yep. All Canada geese have a white cheek

1329
01:09:15,600 --> 01:09:17,920
Speaker 2: and some people call them in a white cheek geese

1330
01:09:17,960 --> 01:09:20,160
Speaker 2: and everything. So yeah, they still have that, and it's

1331
01:09:20,720 --> 01:09:26,120
Speaker 2: that believe it or not. Probably illusions have the lowest

1332
01:09:26,160 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 2: amount of white on their cheeks, just mostly because it

1333
01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 2: usually doesn't cover the bottom of the throat. But but

1334
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:39,920
Speaker 2: dusky kenadedies have a pretty prominent white cheek patch and stuff.

1335
01:09:39,920 --> 01:09:42,160
Speaker 2: But they're just really really really dark, and they have

1336
01:09:42,560 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: they sound different, they act different, they they're in, they're

1337
01:09:46,920 --> 01:09:50,800
Speaker 2: in certain sized groups. They fly around fairly low, and

1338
01:09:50,840 --> 01:09:54,200
Speaker 2: they kind of keep to themselves. They don't they don't

1339
01:09:54,240 --> 01:09:57,679
Speaker 2: mingle too much with other Canada geese. So you take

1340
01:09:57,680 --> 01:10:01,920
Speaker 2: this test and then you get a a goose card

1341
01:10:01,520 --> 01:10:05,160
Speaker 2: that's your permit to hunt, and you can only hunt

1342
01:10:05,280 --> 01:10:07,920
Speaker 2: This is how it was originally. You could only hunt

1343
01:10:07,960 --> 01:10:09,679
Speaker 2: between the hours of eight and.

1344
01:10:09,680 --> 01:10:10,640
Speaker 1: Four, ok.

1345
01:10:11,160 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 2: And you had to check all your geese in at

1346
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:15,800
Speaker 2: a check station when you were done, and they would

1347
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:20,680
Speaker 2: carefully measure the Coleman length, which is the measurement of

1348
01:10:20,720 --> 01:10:23,080
Speaker 2: the top of the bill. That was one of the

1349
01:10:23,120 --> 01:10:25,519
Speaker 2: things that they would use, and then like the length

1350
01:10:25,560 --> 01:10:28,000
Speaker 2: of the legs and the color of the breast. And

1351
01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:30,320
Speaker 2: if you shot a dusky Canada goose, your card was

1352
01:10:30,320 --> 01:10:33,639
Speaker 2: punched and you're done for the season. Really yeah, and

1353
01:10:34,000 --> 01:10:37,120
Speaker 2: what year was this, Well, I don't know. This was

1354
01:10:37,200 --> 01:10:41,639
Speaker 2: back in the Yeah, I'm terrible about dates. I mean,

1355
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:47,040
Speaker 2: this was all up until about eight years ago. So

1356
01:10:47,120 --> 01:10:48,880
Speaker 2: then eight years ago what they did is a.

1357
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:52,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, this is all new to me. Yeah, I had

1358
01:10:52,240 --> 01:10:52,720
Speaker 1: never heard this.

1359
01:10:52,960 --> 01:10:56,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was kind of cool because it just kept

1360
01:10:56,120 --> 01:10:58,800
Speaker 2: out a lot of you know, the pilgrims, Like you

1361
01:10:59,280 --> 01:11:02,760
Speaker 2: had to be pretty dedicated to this, and and you

1362
01:11:02,840 --> 01:11:06,280
Speaker 2: had to you learned a ton about geese because we

1363
01:11:06,320 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: would get set up before it would get light. Like

1364
01:11:09,520 --> 01:11:11,200
Speaker 2: some people would go out and they'd start setting up

1365
01:11:11,200 --> 01:11:13,479
Speaker 2: at seven and they'd be set up by eight. Well,

1366
01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:15,720
Speaker 2: the geese are trying to get in, you know, they're

1367
01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:18,479
Speaker 2: trying to get in, uh before that. So what we

1368
01:11:18,520 --> 01:11:19,559
Speaker 2: would always do.

1369
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:21,760
Speaker 1: Is the is the eight am restriction because they want

1370
01:11:21,800 --> 01:11:23,000
Speaker 1: good daylight exactly.

1371
01:11:23,160 --> 01:11:25,320
Speaker 2: Yep. They won't you to be able to see to

1372
01:11:25,360 --> 01:11:28,000
Speaker 2: see him. So but it was it worked for us

1373
01:11:28,000 --> 01:11:32,360
Speaker 2: because we just learned so much about geese by being

1374
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:34,719
Speaker 2: set up and having to watch them for the first

1375
01:11:34,840 --> 01:11:36,880
Speaker 2: hour hour and a half and having them come and

1376
01:11:36,960 --> 01:11:39,960
Speaker 2: land in the decoys and seeing what, you know, what

1377
01:11:40,080 --> 01:11:41,120
Speaker 2: works and what doesn't work.

1378
01:11:41,160 --> 01:11:42,639
Speaker 1: And do you ever get your card evoked?

1379
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:43,280
Speaker 2: What's that?

1380
01:11:43,720 --> 01:11:45,240
Speaker 1: Did you ever get your card punched?

1381
01:11:45,360 --> 01:11:50,400
Speaker 2: I never did? I never did so one time. Brad,

1382
01:11:50,479 --> 01:11:53,439
Speaker 2: you know my partner, Brad, he's a phenomenal goose hunter.

1383
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:55,920
Speaker 2: He's honestly, he's one of the best goose hunters on

1384
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:59,680
Speaker 2: the planet. One time he and and one of our

1385
01:11:59,720 --> 01:12:02,320
Speaker 2: one of the other guys that we work with, they

1386
01:12:02,360 --> 01:12:06,760
Speaker 2: got their cards punch because there there's there's also this

1387
01:12:07,000 --> 01:12:11,880
Speaker 2: flock of lessers that hang out around was still like

1388
01:12:12,200 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: our anchorage, and those birds were fairly dark and fairly large,

1389
01:12:18,360 --> 01:12:21,040
Speaker 2: and so it was close. But we felt like we

1390
01:12:21,120 --> 01:12:23,760
Speaker 2: knew those birds really really well, so we didn't have

1391
01:12:23,800 --> 01:12:29,000
Speaker 2: any problem hunting those. And one time Brad and and

1392
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:31,080
Speaker 2: I think it was Brian Stone got their cards punched

1393
01:12:31,120 --> 01:12:37,360
Speaker 2: because they shot They shot banded anchorage lessers and we've

1394
01:12:37,360 --> 01:12:39,760
Speaker 2: done that several times, but usually so they have a

1395
01:12:39,800 --> 01:12:44,080
Speaker 2: smaller band than the than the duskies do, so we

1396
01:12:44,120 --> 01:12:47,519
Speaker 2: shoot those with confidence. And most of the checkers at

1397
01:12:47,520 --> 01:12:49,880
Speaker 2: the chech station just know and they also have a

1398
01:12:49,920 --> 01:12:53,200
Speaker 2: reference of band numbers, and so you're supposed to be

1399
01:12:53,240 --> 01:12:56,080
Speaker 2: able to go into the tech station and they'll see

1400
01:12:56,080 --> 01:12:58,559
Speaker 2: that it's a smaller band or they'll check the number

1401
01:12:58,600 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 2: and they'll say, okay, you're fine, it's on a dusky. Well,

1402
01:13:01,640 --> 01:13:04,040
Speaker 2: in one case they got their cards punched, and it

1403
01:13:04,080 --> 01:13:07,240
Speaker 2: worked out great for me because they called me and

1404
01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,680
Speaker 2: told me and they're like, yeah, we're getting bombed in

1405
01:13:09,760 --> 01:13:11,280
Speaker 2: by all these lessers, and a bunch of them have

1406
01:13:11,320 --> 01:13:14,519
Speaker 2: net collars and you know, radar transmitters and tarsus bands

1407
01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,240
Speaker 2: and leg bands, and so I went and sat in

1408
01:13:17,240 --> 01:13:19,559
Speaker 2: their blind. I got to hunt. The next day. They

1409
01:13:19,600 --> 01:13:21,720
Speaker 2: just left all their decoys out and I got it.

1410
01:13:21,760 --> 01:13:25,600
Speaker 2: I got some nice birds. And then they sort of

1411
01:13:25,680 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 2: went to a review panel and found out that yeah,

1412
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:32,920
Speaker 2: they were Anchorage lessers, so they got their cards vindication

1413
01:13:33,080 --> 01:13:37,599
Speaker 2: man and twice for me. Hunting on Willop a Bay,

1414
01:13:38,560 --> 01:13:41,800
Speaker 2: I got to the check station and the checker was gone,

1415
01:13:42,040 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 2: and assumed that everyone was done for the day, but

1416
01:13:44,600 --> 01:13:47,360
Speaker 2: I was. I had such a good relationship with the

1417
01:13:47,400 --> 01:13:50,320
Speaker 2: biologists and the state state Policies was in the state

1418
01:13:50,360 --> 01:13:54,240
Speaker 2: of Washington, that they both times they said, okay, Dave,

1419
01:13:54,280 --> 01:13:55,960
Speaker 2: well tell us what you got, you know, tell us

1420
01:13:56,000 --> 01:13:59,040
Speaker 2: what your birds are. And I told him, They're like, okay, yeah,

1421
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:00,360
Speaker 2: we'll send you a new card. In the sent me

1422
01:14:00,400 --> 01:14:03,880
Speaker 2: a new card right away, so that you know, I

1423
01:14:03,960 --> 01:14:06,360
Speaker 2: was lucky in that respect. But I never got my

1424
01:14:06,479 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: card punched luckily, Like not for real. I've come dang close.

1425
01:14:10,520 --> 01:14:15,559
Speaker 2: I mean, I you know, I've had I've had some

1426
01:14:15,680 --> 01:14:19,360
Speaker 2: checkers that you know, there's a big turnover of checkers,

1427
01:14:19,400 --> 01:14:21,840
Speaker 2: and some of them really didn't know what they were doing,

1428
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 2: and some of them did. And you know, I've had

1429
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:30,920
Speaker 2: some scary situations, but it's fine. I I survived it,

1430
01:14:31,240 --> 01:14:32,960
Speaker 2: you know. And now it's to the point where there's

1431
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:35,880
Speaker 2: no more check stations. Now it's illegal to shoot a

1432
01:14:35,920 --> 01:14:40,800
Speaker 2: dusky Canada goose. And the problem with that. It's good

1433
01:14:40,800 --> 01:14:43,200
Speaker 2: and bad. But the problem with that is now everybody

1434
01:14:43,479 --> 01:14:46,240
Speaker 2: goose hunts, every duck hunter shoots, you know, a geese

1435
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:50,680
Speaker 2: flying over and stuff, and so it's just changed the

1436
01:14:50,720 --> 01:14:55,880
Speaker 2: goose hunting dramatically. Like I mean, I had some just beautiful,

1437
01:14:57,680 --> 01:15:00,000
Speaker 2: you know, periods of time, several seasons in a row

1438
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:02,640
Speaker 2: where I just had just fabulous goose hunting, and a

1439
01:15:02,680 --> 01:15:05,640
Speaker 2: lot of it was because of the difficulties and the

1440
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,559
Speaker 2: check stations. Almost I mean, the funnest hunting of my

1441
01:15:09,640 --> 01:15:14,280
Speaker 2: life was six seasons on Willipa Bay. There were several

1442
01:15:14,320 --> 01:15:18,960
Speaker 2: birds that were they were actually across between a well

1443
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,040
Speaker 2: western and a dusky. They called them whiskies, and the

1444
01:15:23,080 --> 01:15:27,639
Speaker 2: bile just really wanted them gone, and so they would

1445
01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,519
Speaker 2: put white neck colors on them, and so none of

1446
01:15:31,520 --> 01:15:35,599
Speaker 2: the locals would bother hunting those birds, because I mean,

1447
01:15:36,120 --> 01:15:38,720
Speaker 2: you know, you go down a tide flat and you're

1448
01:15:38,800 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 2: hunting in this huge, this huge area, and it's a

1449
01:15:42,120 --> 01:15:44,760
Speaker 2: pain in the ass to get out there, and you

1450
01:15:44,800 --> 01:15:46,160
Speaker 2: got to figure out how you're going to hide once

1451
01:15:46,200 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 2: you get out there, and decoys, getting decoys out there

1452
01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:50,960
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. It was all difficult. And then

1453
01:15:51,120 --> 01:15:53,920
Speaker 2: you get some birds to come in and there's a

1454
01:15:54,040 --> 01:15:55,599
Speaker 2: very good chance that it's going to be a whole

1455
01:15:55,600 --> 01:15:58,000
Speaker 2: bunch of big, dark birds, and none of them have

1456
01:15:58,080 --> 01:16:00,680
Speaker 2: a white collar, so you can't shoot unless it has

1457
01:16:00,680 --> 01:16:04,120
Speaker 2: a white collar. And so now the locals were bothering,

1458
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,920
Speaker 2: and to me, it was just paradise, Like I absolutely

1459
01:16:09,080 --> 01:16:12,120
Speaker 2: loved that. It was just so much fun. And uh,

1460
01:16:12,600 --> 01:16:15,679
Speaker 2: I love shooting you know, those collared birds, and everyone

1461
01:16:15,720 --> 01:16:18,360
Speaker 2: of them had a leg band and I just started,

1462
01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:22,679
Speaker 2: you know, accumulating those, and I it was just super exciting,

1463
01:16:22,720 --> 01:16:25,479
Speaker 2: like every time I shot one, and that was that

1464
01:16:25,560 --> 01:16:27,519
Speaker 2: was the funnest goose hunting I've ever had.

1465
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,160
Speaker 1: Do you got land you're pretty loaded up with bands?

1466
01:16:30,479 --> 01:16:36,400
Speaker 2: I do, yeah, yeah, And I have over one hundred

1467
01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:41,960
Speaker 2: net collars really yeah, really, and from from a lot

1468
01:16:42,000 --> 01:16:45,600
Speaker 2: of different subspecies, so I can blame Brad Cochrane, I

1469
01:16:45,680 --> 01:16:48,240
Speaker 2: think for that. So I tried to stick with mostly

1470
01:16:48,479 --> 01:16:53,400
Speaker 2: mostly white collars, which doesn't disrupt anything any studies or

1471
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:57,759
Speaker 2: anything like that. But man, once you once you learned

1472
01:16:57,800 --> 01:17:00,400
Speaker 2: how to spot a collar in the air, and you

1473
01:17:00,439 --> 01:17:03,719
Speaker 2: would think that it'd be like you'd see the color

1474
01:17:03,760 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 2: of it or something like that, and it's not it

1475
01:17:05,640 --> 01:17:08,040
Speaker 2: at all. It just it just looks like a little

1476
01:17:08,120 --> 01:17:10,040
Speaker 2: kink in the neck. It just looks kind of like

1477
01:17:10,080 --> 01:17:15,640
Speaker 2: a broken neck. And once you get that down, you

1478
01:17:15,680 --> 01:17:18,080
Speaker 2: can't help yourself but to shoot them. Like when you're

1479
01:17:18,120 --> 01:17:20,519
Speaker 2: hunting cacklers or something like that, that's just the funnest

1480
01:17:20,560 --> 01:17:24,000
Speaker 2: thing ever too. It's just you get a big grind

1481
01:17:24,000 --> 01:17:28,840
Speaker 2: of cacklers going and just keep watching them, keep watching them,

1482
01:17:28,840 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 2: and you maybe look at a block of four or

1483
01:17:31,439 --> 01:17:34,040
Speaker 2: five at once and make sure that they're on a

1484
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:37,479
Speaker 2: line where you have that second that it takes to

1485
01:17:37,520 --> 01:17:41,720
Speaker 2: sit up and shoot. And you know, I mean I

1486
01:17:41,800 --> 01:17:46,599
Speaker 2: went like dozens of days where it didn't fire, shot

1487
01:17:46,640 --> 01:17:50,320
Speaker 2: all day, just watch birds all day long. You wouldn't

1488
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,040
Speaker 2: see one, and once in a while.

1489
01:17:52,120 --> 01:17:54,240
Speaker 1: You'd see it was just looking for collared birds.

1490
01:17:54,400 --> 01:17:56,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was fun. It was just something, I mean,

1491
01:17:57,200 --> 01:18:00,120
Speaker 2: something that we wanted to do, and we've also so

1492
01:18:00,840 --> 01:18:03,800
Speaker 2: you know, always felt like that's how we learned a

1493
01:18:03,880 --> 01:18:06,880
Speaker 2: lot about geese. It is just well, for one, we

1494
01:18:06,920 --> 01:18:10,559
Speaker 2: never wanted to shoot into big flocks. So like when

1495
01:18:10,600 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 2: I was hunting those whiskies, I mean, there was only

1496
01:18:13,240 --> 01:18:15,600
Speaker 2: so many of them and they were mixed in with

1497
01:18:15,680 --> 01:18:18,479
Speaker 2: other birds, and I just could not shoot into big

1498
01:18:18,520 --> 01:18:22,280
Speaker 2: flocks or I would have had it ruined, you know,

1499
01:18:22,320 --> 01:18:25,080
Speaker 2: in one season. I wanted it to last and last,

1500
01:18:25,120 --> 01:18:28,879
Speaker 2: and so I was pretty pretty patient. But I would definitely,

1501
01:18:29,200 --> 01:18:33,360
Speaker 2: like on cacklers, I would definitely make that exception because well,

1502
01:18:33,360 --> 01:18:36,000
Speaker 2: one thing about cacklers is they're so gregarious and they're

1503
01:18:36,040 --> 01:18:39,200
Speaker 2: so loud, and they're in such large flocks that if

1504
01:18:39,240 --> 01:18:42,240
Speaker 2: you have a giant grind of cacklers going and you

1505
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,280
Speaker 2: sit up and make one shot and drop a collared

1506
01:18:46,280 --> 01:18:50,360
Speaker 2: bird and get back in your blind instead of getting

1507
01:18:50,400 --> 01:18:52,400
Speaker 2: out and whooping it up and all that stuff whatever,

1508
01:18:52,400 --> 01:18:54,519
Speaker 2: you back in your blind. Most of the time the

1509
01:18:54,560 --> 01:19:00,080
Speaker 2: grind will keep coming because the birds that saw you

1510
01:19:00,160 --> 01:19:02,120
Speaker 2: and saw the boogey man, they kind of freak out.

1511
01:19:02,520 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: But the birds on the far side of this giant grind.

1512
01:19:05,080 --> 01:19:07,280
Speaker 2: They haven't, they don't know what it is. And what

1513
01:19:07,280 --> 01:19:08,320
Speaker 2: would you keep going?

1514
01:19:08,520 --> 01:19:11,960
Speaker 3: What would you consider a in your mind? What's like

1515
01:19:12,000 --> 01:19:13,200
Speaker 3: a giant grind?

1516
01:19:13,280 --> 01:19:15,920
Speaker 5: Like how many birds grind? I've never heard that.

1517
01:19:15,920 --> 01:19:17,840
Speaker 1: I've never heard that. I know, the grind from just

1518
01:19:17,960 --> 01:19:22,880
Speaker 1: being the daily grind of like getting up so early

1519
01:19:23,080 --> 01:19:25,800
Speaker 1: and setting out decoys and pulling into decoys and just

1520
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:29,040
Speaker 1: like it's a frequently waterfoul. People will talk about the

1521
01:19:29,080 --> 01:19:32,080
Speaker 1: grind of just how the drudgery of hunting hard.

1522
01:19:32,400 --> 01:19:34,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's a that's the real grind for sure.

1523
01:19:35,000 --> 01:19:38,479
Speaker 2: And that's a grind too. Yeah, I mean like a

1524
01:19:38,520 --> 01:19:41,439
Speaker 2: tornado or you know whatever. We've a lot of people

1525
01:19:41,479 --> 01:19:44,360
Speaker 2: have different names for it, but I mean it. You know,

1526
01:19:44,439 --> 01:19:46,479
Speaker 2: it's like we would still probably call it a grind

1527
01:19:46,479 --> 01:19:49,000
Speaker 2: if it was two hundred birds, but but it could

1528
01:19:49,000 --> 01:19:51,639
Speaker 2: be ten thousand, yeah, you know, and and a lot

1529
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:53,360
Speaker 2: of times it's a thousand.

1530
01:19:53,960 --> 01:19:56,640
Speaker 1: You know, you're talking about just like an aggregation of

1531
01:19:56,680 --> 01:19:58,680
Speaker 1: birds that is kind of on the same schedule and

1532
01:19:58,680 --> 01:20:01,840
Speaker 1: they're coming through in a group. Uh there, they might

1533
01:20:01,880 --> 01:20:03,320
Speaker 1: be spread apart by many minutes.

1534
01:20:03,439 --> 01:20:06,200
Speaker 2: No, no, no, no, no, I'm talking about a flock. Yeah,

1535
01:20:06,240 --> 01:20:09,080
Speaker 2: a big, a big giant flock. Sometimes other flocks are

1536
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:10,360
Speaker 2: joining at the same time.

1537
01:20:10,880 --> 01:20:14,800
Speaker 1: But so they didn't like it's a grouping that you

1538
01:20:14,840 --> 01:20:16,320
Speaker 1: can like put your eyes on it one time.

1539
01:20:16,439 --> 01:20:19,639
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

1540
01:20:19,680 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 4: Tornado, it's like a snow goose tornado.

1541
01:20:23,360 --> 01:20:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah Tonado, Yeah, yep, exactly, yep.

1542
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,720
Speaker 1: All right, get me too, because I asked you a

1543
01:20:37,720 --> 01:20:40,120
Speaker 1: bunch of questions got us off. So at a point

1544
01:20:41,640 --> 01:20:45,880
Speaker 1: you you got into guiding, and then I want to

1545
01:20:45,880 --> 01:20:47,760
Speaker 1: get to how you got into how you thought to

1546
01:20:47,840 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 1: make your own decoy, which doesn't occur to everybody.

1547
01:20:51,280 --> 01:20:56,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I mean the the decoys came first, and

1548
01:20:56,760 --> 01:20:59,080
Speaker 2: then the decoys worked so well that that's what got

1549
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:04,800
Speaker 2: us into guiding. So I was buying every every brand

1550
01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:08,840
Speaker 2: of decoy that that was available, and and I was

1551
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:12,599
Speaker 2: I was just the birds just weren't landing in them.

1552
01:21:12,800 --> 01:21:14,720
Speaker 2: And I just and I had everybody tell me like,

1553
01:21:14,760 --> 01:21:16,439
Speaker 2: oh god, you know you're they're not going to land

1554
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,759
Speaker 2: in them. And I was reading like Dennis Hunt books

1555
01:21:18,760 --> 01:21:21,439
Speaker 2: and stuff, and they were saying things like like, uh,

1556
01:21:21,600 --> 01:21:25,200
Speaker 2: you know, decoys are you need them? But at the

1557
01:21:25,240 --> 01:21:27,559
Speaker 2: same time, geese hate them. They're just used to lure

1558
01:21:27,720 --> 01:21:32,160
Speaker 2: birds into gun range, and I just called yeah, yeah,

1559
01:21:32,160 --> 01:21:34,560
Speaker 2: and I was like, I watched real birds land with

1560
01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,880
Speaker 2: real birds all the time, and I just felt really

1561
01:21:37,960 --> 01:21:41,080
Speaker 2: confident that that there just has to be a better way,

1562
01:21:41,120 --> 01:21:43,680
Speaker 2: and that this that the whole industry was just really complacent.

1563
01:21:44,080 --> 01:21:46,000
Speaker 2: And I heard people say things like, oh, geese have

1564
01:21:46,080 --> 01:21:48,360
Speaker 2: a you know, a pie sized brain and everything, and

1565
01:21:48,479 --> 01:21:51,160
Speaker 2: I just had way more respect for him than that.

1566
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,200
Speaker 2: So so I set out to sculpt. I did a

1567
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,640
Speaker 2: I do clay sculptures. I don't carve anything. I do

1568
01:21:59,760 --> 01:22:02,519
Speaker 2: everything as a clay sculpture. And I set out to

1569
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:04,880
Speaker 2: sculpt the most accurate decoy I possibly could. And it

1570
01:22:05,040 --> 01:22:07,559
Speaker 2: was a Taverner's Canada goose. That was my number one

1571
01:22:07,640 --> 01:22:09,880
Speaker 2: goose that I hunted and loved to hunt and everything.

1572
01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,040
Speaker 2: And now we call it a lesser because it's that's

1573
01:22:13,240 --> 01:22:16,960
Speaker 2: way more common and people are more familiar with that term,

1574
01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:18,720
Speaker 2: but that's really what the first one was.

1575
01:22:19,400 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: So if you look, when you say way more realistic,

1576
01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:26,040
Speaker 1: I would think that you can correct me on this one.

1577
01:22:26,200 --> 01:22:28,160
Speaker 1: I would think that there's a mad there's an issue

1578
01:22:28,200 --> 01:22:33,560
Speaker 1: of size, there's an issue of contours, shape, say, and

1579
01:22:33,640 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: there's an issue of coloration. Yep, what what is it

1580
01:22:37,800 --> 01:22:38,120
Speaker 1: for real?

1581
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 2: Well, and one more thing is the finish, And the

1582
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 2: finish is the biggest one of those of those four.

1583
01:22:44,120 --> 01:22:51,920
Speaker 2: So yeah, the sculpture needs to be you know, anatomically

1584
01:22:52,520 --> 01:22:55,760
Speaker 2: correct and in a pleasing pose. The pose has to

1585
01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:58,560
Speaker 2: be I guess that's a fifth element, right there is

1586
01:22:58,600 --> 01:23:02,680
Speaker 2: the pose. It's really important with turkeys. The pose has

1587
01:23:02,760 --> 01:23:05,200
Speaker 2: to tell what you want. What you want the decoy.

1588
01:23:05,320 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: You don't want to decoy of a scared ass turkey exactly.

1589
01:23:08,640 --> 01:23:14,479
Speaker 2: Yeah. But the finish, it turns out, the finish is

1590
01:23:14,520 --> 01:23:17,920
Speaker 2: probably more important than anything, and that is it just

1591
01:23:18,040 --> 01:23:21,400
Speaker 2: can't have the wrong reflections. I mean, you know, birds

1592
01:23:21,439 --> 01:23:24,599
Speaker 2: can see colors that we can't see, and a lot

1593
01:23:24,640 --> 01:23:27,800
Speaker 2: of decoys have you know, some reflection to them, and

1594
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:31,439
Speaker 2: and all that stuff. And and in some ways we

1595
01:23:31,560 --> 01:23:35,760
Speaker 2: probably luckily stumbled on the right paint. But that that's

1596
01:23:35,800 --> 01:23:38,080
Speaker 2: a big one. That helps a lot. But you know,

1597
01:23:38,120 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 2: at the time, the decoys, the decoys that were working

1598
01:23:41,280 --> 01:23:44,479
Speaker 2: the best for me before I made a decoy we're

1599
01:23:44,520 --> 01:23:48,599
Speaker 2: bigfoots and carry light full bodies, and bigfoots were neat

1600
01:23:48,720 --> 01:23:50,920
Speaker 2: because they were they really were.

1601
01:23:52,040 --> 01:23:52,880
Speaker 1: What's the funn about that?

1602
01:23:53,560 --> 01:23:57,479
Speaker 6: No, it's it's it's funny because Pat Dirkins sent me

1603
01:23:57,600 --> 01:24:05,000
Speaker 6: a report from somebody, well because I mean it's not

1604
01:24:05,120 --> 01:24:08,560
Speaker 6: a real report if you actually read its high substantiated,

1605
01:24:09,160 --> 01:24:12,439
Speaker 6: but about bigfoot behavior of jumping into trees.

1606
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:13,400
Speaker 2: So I just had that.

1607
01:24:13,680 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: Also, I'm talking about the brand Bigfoot decoys, which had

1608
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:18,560
Speaker 1: like a little pedestal to look like their feet. You

1609
01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: were thinking about bigfoots bigfoots. Yeah, sorry, pologies on behalf

1610
01:24:24,000 --> 01:24:25,000
Speaker 1: of grint. I did see.

1611
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:33,360
Speaker 2: We can edit that out, no problem that. Uh yeah,

1612
01:24:33,400 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 2: I mean I had a ton of respect for Bigfoot

1613
01:24:35,040 --> 01:24:37,800
Speaker 2: decoys because they were they were made in America, and

1614
01:24:37,880 --> 01:24:40,599
Speaker 2: they really were really goosey. But the problem is they

1615
01:24:40,640 --> 01:24:44,920
Speaker 2: were they were a a large race Canada goose. They

1616
01:24:44,960 --> 01:24:46,720
Speaker 2: were a honker. They were a big, long neck and

1617
01:24:46,800 --> 01:24:49,880
Speaker 2: most of our geese were really small, short necked, you know.

1618
01:24:50,080 --> 01:24:52,639
Speaker 2: So that's why the carry lights looked a little more

1619
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:54,519
Speaker 2: like our gaze. But we I just needed to make

1620
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,559
Speaker 2: something that was more acculate, and the very first eco

1621
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:00,479
Speaker 2: that I made it actually had the tail was a

1622
01:25:00,560 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 2: separate piece, and the wings were separate. The wing the

1623
01:25:04,320 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 2: primary feathers, they were separate pieces that glued on separately.

1624
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:10,680
Speaker 2: So I had full separation in there. It was like,

1625
01:25:10,840 --> 01:25:14,760
Speaker 2: probably way more than it really needed to be. We

1626
01:25:14,920 --> 01:25:18,440
Speaker 2: made those and they worked so well. It was just unbelievable.

1627
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:20,000
Speaker 1: How many did you make? Well?

1628
01:25:20,160 --> 01:25:24,040
Speaker 2: I mean I started out with one pose, just arresting one,

1629
01:25:24,080 --> 01:25:26,080
Speaker 2: and then I finally before I even hunted with that,

1630
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 2: I realized I needed to make a feeder. And so

1631
01:25:29,560 --> 01:25:32,080
Speaker 2: I had two poses and I went out with and

1632
01:25:32,200 --> 01:25:35,880
Speaker 2: hunted with those, and I would make like eighteen total

1633
01:25:35,960 --> 01:25:39,600
Speaker 2: decoys for my own hunting, and then I kind of

1634
01:25:39,640 --> 01:25:42,599
Speaker 2: realized I need an upright, but that came along later.

1635
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:45,120
Speaker 2: But they were just they looked like the real birds.

1636
01:25:45,400 --> 01:25:49,360
Speaker 2: So what I figured, what I learned. The biggest epiphany

1637
01:25:49,400 --> 01:25:52,120
Speaker 2: I guess I had was when I was hunting and

1638
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: I had I could have. I mean, I put out

1639
01:25:55,720 --> 01:26:02,360
Speaker 2: twenty four dozen decoys before and if if if six

1640
01:26:02,479 --> 01:26:05,719
Speaker 2: real birds came and landed one hundred and fifty yards away,

1641
01:26:06,720 --> 01:26:09,320
Speaker 2: I any other birds that came would go land with

1642
01:26:09,400 --> 01:26:12,519
Speaker 2: those six. So I realized right away, Yet it's yeah,

1643
01:26:12,600 --> 01:26:15,679
Speaker 2: it's not a number thing. The numbers thing is. What's

1644
01:26:15,720 --> 01:26:18,439
Speaker 2: most important is that they're convinced that those are real birds.

1645
01:26:18,920 --> 01:26:21,200
Speaker 2: And so the beauty of our decoy right now is

1646
01:26:21,520 --> 01:26:23,600
Speaker 2: the way that people have so much damn fun with

1647
01:26:23,720 --> 01:26:28,280
Speaker 2: them is in places where you have normally had to

1648
01:26:28,439 --> 01:26:31,800
Speaker 2: use you know, five dozen, you can use eighteen. And

1649
01:26:31,920 --> 01:26:34,080
Speaker 2: even like on some of the places like the front

1650
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:37,360
Speaker 2: Range Colorado, where people feel like they have to use

1651
01:26:37,400 --> 01:26:41,840
Speaker 2: twenty dozen, they can use six dozen, and so that

1652
01:26:42,720 --> 01:26:45,599
Speaker 2: that really helps. It just makes it more enjoyable because

1653
01:26:46,160 --> 01:26:47,360
Speaker 2: it's just not as much work.

1654
01:26:47,439 --> 01:26:48,240
Speaker 5: Less of a grind.

1655
01:26:48,360 --> 01:26:50,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're not out there and two of them more's

1656
01:26:50,120 --> 01:26:53,160
Speaker 2: of a grind. Yeah, yeah, Yeah, I can sleep in

1657
01:26:53,240 --> 01:26:55,200
Speaker 2: and I love I love sleep.

1658
01:26:55,920 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 5: Can you take us through you just sort of casually say, oh,

1659
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:02,160
Speaker 5: I whipped up eight teen decoys, but what what does

1660
01:27:02,240 --> 01:27:02,760
Speaker 5: that look like?

1661
01:27:03,280 --> 01:27:05,920
Speaker 6: And can we also get into like your carving or

1662
01:27:06,000 --> 01:27:09,360
Speaker 6: the materials that you're using, and you know you're kind of.

1663
01:27:11,360 --> 01:27:12,320
Speaker 5: Giving away too much?

1664
01:27:12,400 --> 01:27:14,479
Speaker 1: Yeah, what were you when you say make them? You

1665
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:16,040
Speaker 1: had that you made a mold obviously.

1666
01:27:16,280 --> 01:27:19,479
Speaker 10: Yeah, so I mean in your garage yep, you had

1667
01:27:19,520 --> 01:27:21,760
Speaker 10: to buy a lot of equipment, right, I had Uh Yeah,

1668
01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:24,400
Speaker 10: I did. I had a I had a shop already

1669
01:27:24,560 --> 01:27:28,519
Speaker 10: just because I've I've made fish replicas like my entire life.

1670
01:27:29,080 --> 01:27:33,200
Speaker 10: My artistic was Ron Petter Is is the greatest fish

1671
01:27:33,240 --> 01:27:37,120
Speaker 10: replica artists that ever lived, by far, and I just

1672
01:27:37,360 --> 01:27:41,360
Speaker 10: was a complete I just bugged the hell out of

1673
01:27:41,479 --> 01:27:43,040
Speaker 10: him for thirty years.

1674
01:27:43,120 --> 01:27:44,559
Speaker 3: Do you still do it the fish?

1675
01:27:44,720 --> 01:27:47,600
Speaker 2: Yeah? I do, you know, a few. I do just

1676
01:27:47,680 --> 01:27:49,360
Speaker 2: a few, like maybe maybe one a year.

1677
01:27:50,439 --> 01:27:53,479
Speaker 6: That's but yeah, that's maybe auction house, don't it.

1678
01:27:53,560 --> 01:27:55,280
Speaker 3: I mean they're sounding.

1679
01:27:55,800 --> 01:27:59,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm gonna do because of fish people caught.

1680
01:28:00,600 --> 01:28:03,320
Speaker 1: What's that look you do a little like like whatever

1681
01:28:03,320 --> 01:28:05,360
Speaker 1: the hell they fish tax drmy is these days, because

1682
01:28:05,360 --> 01:28:07,000
Speaker 1: there's no tax dermy, it's just replicas.

1683
01:28:07,320 --> 01:28:09,600
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. So I do a lot of steelhead and

1684
01:28:09,920 --> 01:28:12,800
Speaker 2: and I have a lot of molds of steelheads, so

1685
01:28:13,439 --> 01:28:16,559
Speaker 2: and wild steelhead. You know, there's only a few places

1686
01:28:16,560 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 2: where you can still keep wild steelhead, but I don't

1687
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,680
Speaker 2: encourage that at all. Wild steelhead are really low in

1688
01:28:22,760 --> 01:28:24,559
Speaker 2: numbers and everything like that. So I have all these

1689
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:28,479
Speaker 2: molds of fish, you know, up to thirty pounds, and

1690
01:28:29,280 --> 01:28:33,200
Speaker 2: you may I made or I inherited from Ron Pittard

1691
01:28:33,720 --> 01:28:36,120
Speaker 2: either one. So and I've got like I'll be I'm

1692
01:28:36,320 --> 01:28:40,479
Speaker 2: I'm finishing up three point twenty six pounds white crappie

1693
01:28:40,560 --> 01:28:43,719
Speaker 2: for John Brown John, if you're watching, I'm I'm getting

1694
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:46,639
Speaker 2: it done. I'll have it done, and then I'm doing

1695
01:28:46,720 --> 01:28:50,280
Speaker 2: a big thirty pound steelhead for a guide who's been

1696
01:28:50,320 --> 01:28:54,240
Speaker 2: waiting eight years. He's been he's been really, really, really patient.

1697
01:28:54,280 --> 01:28:55,600
Speaker 2: He's going to be really mad when he sees that

1698
01:28:55,680 --> 01:29:00,880
Speaker 2: he did the Crappie. But so so I and then

1699
01:29:00,920 --> 01:29:05,200
Speaker 2: I have lots of experience in sculpture, in industrial sculpture.

1700
01:29:05,439 --> 01:29:08,040
Speaker 2: So I worked for Nike for seven years. I did

1701
01:29:08,160 --> 01:29:11,400
Speaker 2: clay sculptures of footwear as part of the design process.

1702
01:29:11,560 --> 01:29:14,759
Speaker 6: You're like the guy in that movie Air My goodness

1703
01:29:14,840 --> 01:29:15,160
Speaker 6: was at.

1704
01:29:15,040 --> 01:29:18,320
Speaker 1: A bad movie. I liked it, dude. We have to

1705
01:29:18,360 --> 01:29:19,400
Speaker 1: talk about that sometime.

1706
01:29:20,160 --> 01:29:23,840
Speaker 9: I'll talk you fine, Okay, Oh there you go.

1707
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:28,760
Speaker 1: That had about every problem movie. We'll talk about a

1708
01:29:29,520 --> 01:29:32,160
Speaker 1: You had a job there it did. What did you

1709
01:29:32,240 --> 01:29:32,840
Speaker 1: carve shoes?

1710
01:29:33,200 --> 01:29:37,639
Speaker 2: Yeah? Clay sculptures? Yep, seriously, Yeah, I did five. Now

1711
01:29:38,160 --> 01:29:40,600
Speaker 2: I only did the midsol Altsoul, so I didn't have

1712
01:29:40,720 --> 01:29:42,640
Speaker 2: anything to do with the upper. But I did get

1713
01:29:42,720 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 2: to do five seasons of Air. Jordan's working with Tinker

1714
01:29:47,160 --> 01:29:50,120
Speaker 2: Hatfield and that was a and my time when Nike

1715
01:29:50,400 --> 01:29:53,280
Speaker 2: was really I'm super thankful for it, like it was

1716
01:29:53,439 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 2: really good people. And I learned a ton about molding

1717
01:29:56,080 --> 01:29:58,800
Speaker 2: and casting and and all that stuff. So that was

1718
01:29:58,880 --> 01:30:02,560
Speaker 2: hard I got. I got headhunted from Nike to go

1719
01:30:02,800 --> 01:30:06,400
Speaker 2: to FILA and I worked for And also I'm sorry

1720
01:30:06,439 --> 01:30:08,080
Speaker 2: for any of my friends that work at Nike. And

1721
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:10,639
Speaker 2: I told you that I didn't get headhunted, that I quit,

1722
01:30:11,320 --> 01:30:13,440
Speaker 2: and now you're just now finding this out, So I apologize.

1723
01:30:13,439 --> 01:30:15,960
Speaker 2: I'm sorry I had to lie to you. And I

1724
01:30:16,040 --> 01:30:18,240
Speaker 2: went to FILA and I was the manager of the

1725
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:21,120
Speaker 2: model shop there and did more clay sculptures and everything.

1726
01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:25,560
Speaker 2: And before all this, I did class sculptures of taxidermy mannequins.

1727
01:30:26,200 --> 01:30:29,599
Speaker 2: So I worked for research mannequins and did class sculptures

1728
01:30:29,640 --> 01:30:32,240
Speaker 2: animal so so I had the clay experience. I didn't

1729
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:37,400
Speaker 2: have any training, I but I just winged it and

1730
01:30:37,520 --> 01:30:41,040
Speaker 2: just you know, muscled through it or whatever. Like I'm

1731
01:30:41,080 --> 01:30:43,519
Speaker 2: not I can't do it class sculpture like really well,

1732
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 2: like really fast or anything like that. And I'm not

1733
01:30:46,520 --> 01:30:49,680
Speaker 2: like a naturally talented at it or anything like that.

1734
01:30:49,800 --> 01:30:53,439
Speaker 2: But I'm pretty good at looking at two things and

1735
01:30:53,520 --> 01:30:55,800
Speaker 2: figuring out what the differences between those.

1736
01:30:56,000 --> 01:30:58,200
Speaker 1: Well can tell you one of my favorite writing quotes.

1737
01:30:59,000 --> 01:31:01,840
Speaker 1: I think it was RW You R W Apple. He

1738
01:31:01,960 --> 01:31:04,960
Speaker 1: once said, I can write better than anyone that can

1739
01:31:05,000 --> 01:31:08,320
Speaker 1: write faster than me, and I can write faster than

1740
01:31:08,360 --> 01:31:09,960
Speaker 1: anyone that can write better than me.

1741
01:31:11,240 --> 01:31:12,040
Speaker 2: It's perfect.

1742
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:15,479
Speaker 1: Or you have to think of something like that for yourself.

1743
01:31:15,680 --> 01:31:17,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, well it sounds like it's already been done.

1744
01:31:17,760 --> 01:31:20,599
Speaker 2: Somebody beat me too it or whatever. But yeah, I mean,

1745
01:31:20,680 --> 01:31:23,280
Speaker 2: I'm I'm slow, and there are some people that are

1746
01:31:23,439 --> 01:31:25,920
Speaker 2: super talented and can do these things super super fast.

1747
01:31:25,960 --> 01:31:28,280
Speaker 2: And and what I mostly have to do is I

1748
01:31:28,400 --> 01:31:32,000
Speaker 2: have to assemble, you know, a blob of clay roughly

1749
01:31:32,080 --> 01:31:34,600
Speaker 2: in the shape before I can. I mean, I more

1750
01:31:34,720 --> 01:31:39,280
Speaker 2: or less have to build something wrong and then start

1751
01:31:39,320 --> 01:31:42,400
Speaker 2: picking it apart. Rather than building something right the first time,

1752
01:31:42,880 --> 01:31:45,160
Speaker 2: I usually just have to get it. I have to

1753
01:31:45,240 --> 01:31:47,880
Speaker 2: get something going and then I can then I can

1754
01:31:47,960 --> 01:31:50,800
Speaker 2: start to see what the difference is. So I got

1755
01:31:50,920 --> 01:31:52,960
Speaker 2: to have really really good reference material I got to have.

1756
01:31:53,400 --> 01:31:54,840
Speaker 2: I got to have that thing to compare it to,

1757
01:31:55,360 --> 01:31:57,440
Speaker 2: so that could be amount or a bunch of photographs

1758
01:31:58,120 --> 01:31:58,760
Speaker 2: or something like that.

1759
01:31:59,600 --> 01:32:02,080
Speaker 3: It's great way to go about building something. You just

1760
01:32:02,160 --> 01:32:03,600
Speaker 3: gotta gotta start it.

1761
01:32:04,040 --> 01:32:04,240
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1762
01:32:04,600 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 1: My dad was a wood carving and he said his

1763
01:32:07,280 --> 01:32:10,559
Speaker 1: strategy was if he was making like an otter, he said,

1764
01:32:10,560 --> 01:32:12,400
Speaker 1: I would just start taking away everything that doesn't look

1765
01:32:12,439 --> 01:32:12,840
Speaker 1: like an otter.

1766
01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:14,840
Speaker 9: Yeah.

1767
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,599
Speaker 2: Well, and that's another thing is I have a lot

1768
01:32:17,640 --> 01:32:21,160
Speaker 2: of respect for wood carvers because you can only subtract material.

1769
01:32:21,840 --> 01:32:23,680
Speaker 2: So in my case, I mean, you put it back

1770
01:32:23,720 --> 01:32:26,960
Speaker 2: when you made a mistake all the time. Yeah. Yeah,

1771
01:32:27,640 --> 01:32:32,479
Speaker 2: so so yeah, then I made I made molds of

1772
01:32:32,600 --> 01:32:34,680
Speaker 2: those first decoys, and I finally had to buy a

1773
01:32:34,760 --> 01:32:39,040
Speaker 2: rotational casting machine, which was a pretty big, pretty big investment.

1774
01:32:39,080 --> 01:32:40,800
Speaker 1: And now but at this point, are you're like, you

1775
01:32:40,840 --> 01:32:42,559
Speaker 1: know what, I'm gonna start selling these No, No.

1776
01:32:42,960 --> 01:32:44,959
Speaker 5: Hold on, We're get too far ahead of ourselves.

1777
01:32:45,040 --> 01:32:45,200
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1778
01:32:46,720 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 5: Before it, when you just whipped up the eighteen that

1779
01:32:50,080 --> 01:32:54,280
Speaker 5: you first started with, Yeah, how do you whip up eighteen?

1780
01:32:54,520 --> 01:32:58,599
Speaker 2: You made the clay sculpture, Okay, made the class sculpture,

1781
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,760
Speaker 2: and then made a still cone rubber mold with a

1782
01:33:02,240 --> 01:33:06,320
Speaker 2: fiberglass shell mold over the top of that to hold

1783
01:33:06,400 --> 01:33:08,840
Speaker 2: it to shape. And then since I didn't have a

1784
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,920
Speaker 2: rotational casting machine, I had to rotate it by hand.

1785
01:33:12,840 --> 01:33:15,760
Speaker 2: That was the workout portion of my of my life

1786
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:17,439
Speaker 2: and is amazing.

1787
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:18,320
Speaker 1: Man, oh, thank you.

1788
01:33:18,560 --> 01:33:19,320
Speaker 2: I appreciate that.

1789
01:33:20,680 --> 01:33:25,320
Speaker 5: And the and the rotational part comes because once you spray,

1790
01:33:25,640 --> 01:33:28,120
Speaker 5: so you've got your mold, and then what material would

1791
01:33:28,160 --> 01:33:29,000
Speaker 5: you spray in there?

1792
01:33:30,000 --> 01:33:34,360
Speaker 2: So it's liquid, You're a thane, So it's like two parts.

1793
01:33:34,520 --> 01:33:37,120
Speaker 2: You mix A and B together, stir it up and

1794
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,000
Speaker 2: pour it in the mold and then close the mold,

1795
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,120
Speaker 2: and then you rotate it, keep it, keep it.

1796
01:33:42,240 --> 01:33:44,280
Speaker 3: Moving, griped to one side or the other.

1797
01:33:44,560 --> 01:33:48,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, and coat the whole inside. And then you have

1798
01:33:48,120 --> 01:33:51,120
Speaker 2: to keep rotating it until that stuff is hard, and

1799
01:33:51,160 --> 01:33:52,960
Speaker 2: then you may have to do a second, a second

1800
01:33:53,040 --> 01:33:55,800
Speaker 2: pore so and then I was like, screw this, this

1801
01:33:55,880 --> 01:33:58,240
Speaker 2: is a lot of work. Like you know, I'm not

1802
01:33:58,360 --> 01:34:01,960
Speaker 2: exactly Charles Atlas, and I guess I would have been

1803
01:34:01,960 --> 01:34:05,200
Speaker 2: if I just would have never bought a rotational casting machine.

1804
01:34:05,840 --> 01:34:08,000
Speaker 1: D I like, it's like more than a way out

1805
01:34:08,040 --> 01:34:08,879
Speaker 1: of date reference.

1806
01:34:11,200 --> 01:34:15,760
Speaker 2: So so I bought a rotational casting machine. And at

1807
01:34:15,800 --> 01:34:20,080
Speaker 2: the time, I when I was working for FILA, like

1808
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:23,120
Speaker 2: everything that we would make for Fila, everything that we

1809
01:34:23,160 --> 01:34:25,760
Speaker 2: would design for them, they would send it back to

1810
01:34:25,880 --> 01:34:30,080
Speaker 2: the to the group in Italy and the ownership group

1811
01:34:30,080 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 2: would say no, no, no, that's not what the Americans want,

1812
01:34:32,600 --> 01:34:34,519
Speaker 2: you know, And and we were just pulling our hair

1813
01:34:34,560 --> 01:34:36,720
Speaker 2: out of They were just turning down everything that we made.

1814
01:34:36,800 --> 01:34:39,439
Speaker 2: And we were sure that we were making really, really

1815
01:34:39,600 --> 01:34:42,160
Speaker 2: really good shoes, and most of the time they wouldn't

1816
01:34:42,160 --> 01:34:44,759
Speaker 2: even make them. And we just I just watched our stock,

1817
01:34:45,080 --> 01:34:47,320
Speaker 2: you know, go from seventy six dollars a share down

1818
01:34:47,360 --> 01:34:49,800
Speaker 2: to five dollars a share over a course of a

1819
01:34:49,960 --> 01:34:52,639
Speaker 2: very short amount of time. So then they finally said, hey,

1820
01:34:52,680 --> 01:34:55,080
Speaker 2: we're going to close the Portland office. Your choices are

1821
01:34:55,160 --> 01:34:58,400
Speaker 2: to move to New York City or Italy. And there

1822
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:00,960
Speaker 2: was about forty people in the off every single one

1823
01:35:01,000 --> 01:35:04,360
Speaker 2: of us said where we take neither. So now I

1824
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:06,120
Speaker 2: was out of work, and I was tempted to go

1825
01:35:06,200 --> 01:35:07,720
Speaker 2: back to Nike and stuff like that, but I just

1826
01:35:07,880 --> 01:35:10,160
Speaker 2: I was so into goose hunting, and I as much

1827
01:35:10,200 --> 01:35:14,560
Speaker 2: as I loved, you know, working at Nike and with

1828
01:35:14,760 --> 01:35:17,920
Speaker 2: the people at least at FeelA, it wasn't related to

1829
01:35:18,400 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 2: hunting and nature and stuff. So so I was out

1830
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,280
Speaker 2: of a job. In my sweet wife, Elda Smith, I

1831
01:35:25,360 --> 01:35:27,880
Speaker 2: love her so much. Here we are we're just getting

1832
01:35:27,960 --> 01:35:31,800
Speaker 2: married and right at that point, I'm like, you know,

1833
01:35:32,479 --> 01:35:36,519
Speaker 2: lose this high paying job, and I'm just fully expecting

1834
01:35:36,560 --> 01:35:39,479
Speaker 2: her to just, you know, ditch my ass. And she's

1835
01:35:39,640 --> 01:35:42,519
Speaker 2: just like, she's just like, we'll be fine. Whatever you

1836
01:35:42,600 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 2: got to do, you know. And I'm like working on

1837
01:35:44,280 --> 01:35:47,439
Speaker 2: this sculpture for six months and I'm having a cash

1838
01:35:47,479 --> 01:35:49,240
Speaker 2: in my four oh one k you know, a little

1839
01:35:49,280 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 2: bit out of time to keep you know, keep the

1840
01:35:52,680 --> 01:35:55,280
Speaker 2: roof over our head and stuff like that. And she's

1841
01:35:55,360 --> 01:35:57,479
Speaker 2: just such a sweetheart. She was just like, I believe

1842
01:35:57,520 --> 01:36:00,760
Speaker 2: in you and this will turn into something. And uh

1843
01:36:01,240 --> 01:36:05,120
Speaker 2: and you know, you know, God bless her, but so

1844
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:08,080
Speaker 2: I did. So then I bought this rotational casting machine

1845
01:36:08,160 --> 01:36:10,920
Speaker 2: and that made it way easier to make these decoys

1846
01:36:10,960 --> 01:36:12,960
Speaker 2: and stuff. And then Brad Cochran and I we were

1847
01:36:13,080 --> 01:36:15,080
Speaker 2: just like we were hunting a lot together. Brad is

1848
01:36:15,080 --> 01:36:18,400
Speaker 2: a phenomenal, phenomenal goose hunter. He really is. He's one

1849
01:36:18,439 --> 01:36:21,799
Speaker 2: of five people in the world that I would actually

1850
01:36:21,960 --> 01:36:23,160
Speaker 2: hunt with these days.

1851
01:36:24,000 --> 01:36:26,160
Speaker 5: What makes a phenomenal goose hunter so.

1852
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:28,679
Speaker 1: Brad.

1853
01:36:31,640 --> 01:36:35,160
Speaker 2: So Brad is super super hardcore. He is. He is

1854
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:39,880
Speaker 2: so freaking into it, it's unbelievable. He just absolutely lives

1855
01:36:39,960 --> 01:36:42,080
Speaker 2: for it. After all these years, he is just as

1856
01:36:42,120 --> 01:36:45,160
Speaker 2: passionate about it today as he ever was so and

1857
01:36:45,240 --> 01:36:48,200
Speaker 2: I can't match that because I need to go on.

1858
01:36:48,320 --> 01:36:51,479
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm spade fishing for steelhead, I'm I'm archery

1859
01:36:51,520 --> 01:36:54,639
Speaker 2: black tail hunting. I need to I need these tenure

1860
01:36:55,040 --> 01:36:57,120
Speaker 2: at a time things, and I need new challenges and

1861
01:36:57,160 --> 01:37:00,200
Speaker 2: stuff like that. He is absolutely stuck with it the

1862
01:37:00,240 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: whole time. And he's just he's just accumulated so much knowledge,

1863
01:37:04,000 --> 01:37:06,960
Speaker 2: and he has great instincts. He like, I rely on

1864
01:37:07,040 --> 01:37:09,439
Speaker 2: my instincts one hundred percent when I'm setting up in

1865
01:37:09,520 --> 01:37:13,280
Speaker 2: the morning, and he has instincts. Plus it's just an

1866
01:37:13,320 --> 01:37:16,400
Speaker 2: incredible knowledge base. So and then he's a great shot.

1867
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:20,719
Speaker 2: That's important and that and he he can spot callers

1868
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 2: really well too, and and so like so when you're

1869
01:37:25,240 --> 01:37:28,160
Speaker 2: when you're collar hunting, you can only hunt with somebody

1870
01:37:28,200 --> 01:37:30,600
Speaker 2: who's on the same page as you. You can't go

1871
01:37:30,720 --> 01:37:33,760
Speaker 2: hunting with a bunch of guys. I I've done it.

1872
01:37:33,840 --> 01:37:38,240
Speaker 2: I've shot collars when I've gotten invites, But it's usually

1873
01:37:38,400 --> 01:37:41,120
Speaker 2: people you sit up and shoot, and it's usually everybody's

1874
01:37:41,200 --> 01:37:44,840
Speaker 2: like what you know? And but if you're hunting with

1875
01:37:44,920 --> 01:37:47,320
Speaker 2: someone else who's on the same page, and you're looking

1876
01:37:47,400 --> 01:37:49,160
Speaker 2: at all the birds on the on the right, and

1877
01:37:49,280 --> 01:37:51,400
Speaker 2: he's looking at all the birds on the left, and

1878
01:37:51,720 --> 01:37:53,960
Speaker 2: you know that nobody's gonna shoot until he spot a collar.

1879
01:37:54,800 --> 01:37:58,160
Speaker 2: It's just way better than than than you know, Like,

1880
01:37:59,120 --> 01:38:01,439
Speaker 2: I knew so many people that were hunting big groups,

1881
01:38:01,479 --> 01:38:04,120
Speaker 2: and they were sending me texts saying like done by eight,

1882
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:07,920
Speaker 2: done by eight, fifteen, done by nine, And then they

1883
01:38:07,960 --> 01:38:10,639
Speaker 2: would say, man, I sure wish I could get a collar,

1884
01:38:11,320 --> 01:38:13,160
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, okay, well I sat out there

1885
01:38:13,200 --> 01:38:16,200
Speaker 2: all day long and I didn't shoot anything, But you know,

1886
01:38:16,560 --> 01:38:18,479
Speaker 2: three or four days of that and you're gonna have

1887
01:38:18,560 --> 01:38:22,400
Speaker 2: a caller, Like you can't you can't be dying to

1888
01:38:23,000 --> 01:38:25,240
Speaker 2: get your limit as quick as possible and then complain

1889
01:38:25,320 --> 01:38:27,280
Speaker 2: that you didn't get a caller because you got it.

1890
01:38:27,520 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 2: That's how you get a caller, Why not shooting.

1891
01:38:29,800 --> 01:38:35,120
Speaker 3: It is kind of funny the the Waterfall hunters. You

1892
01:38:35,280 --> 01:38:38,640
Speaker 3: hear that a lot done by yeah, done by this.

1893
01:38:38,960 --> 01:38:41,680
Speaker 2: That's like, yeah, is it so miserable? You really want

1894
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:42,679
Speaker 2: to be done so fast?

1895
01:38:42,840 --> 01:38:44,559
Speaker 5: Like oh yeah, you want to be at the cracker

1896
01:38:44,640 --> 01:38:48,559
Speaker 5: barrel by nine or whatever. Chat your biscuits and gravy.

1897
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:52,479
Speaker 5: Yeah right, two questions like one. You can answer this

1898
01:38:52,560 --> 01:38:54,639
Speaker 5: one quickly. If you guys gotten good enough to where

1899
01:38:54,640 --> 01:38:55,920
Speaker 5: you can spot the leg.

1900
01:38:55,880 --> 01:38:59,519
Speaker 2: Bands, yeah, yeah, yeah, so you set up for the lighting.

1901
01:38:59,560 --> 01:39:02,880
Speaker 2: We had to that, especially on anchorage lessers, because there

1902
01:39:03,000 --> 01:39:04,760
Speaker 2: was a lot of them that only had a leg band.

1903
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:07,840
Speaker 2: And so yeah, it's the lighting is everything. So in

1904
01:39:07,920 --> 01:39:10,400
Speaker 2: Oregon we don't have a lot of sunshine, and on

1905
01:39:10,479 --> 01:39:13,320
Speaker 2: a cloudy day it's it's incredibly difficult. So I don't

1906
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 2: think I have ever gotten a band that didn't bling,

1907
01:39:19,200 --> 01:39:24,559
Speaker 2: that didn't sparkle. I think some people have, and I've tried.

1908
01:39:24,600 --> 01:39:27,000
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've got a giant grind of pintails,

1909
01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:32,400
Speaker 2: and pintails they corkscrew down like swans do, where you

1910
01:39:32,479 --> 01:39:34,439
Speaker 2: can see every one of their legs one after another

1911
01:39:34,479 --> 01:39:36,960
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. I've never gotten, never gotten one

1912
01:39:37,000 --> 01:39:40,599
Speaker 2: that way. And I have gotten several leg band only

1913
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:45,320
Speaker 2: geese by spotting the leg band and at least one

1914
01:39:45,840 --> 01:39:49,479
Speaker 2: where I spotted the shape like while it's quartering away.

1915
01:39:49,920 --> 01:39:53,360
Speaker 2: But I've gotten several that were the lighting was really

1916
01:39:53,400 --> 01:39:55,960
Speaker 2: really good and as the birds are coming and landing

1917
01:39:56,200 --> 01:39:59,040
Speaker 2: one at a time, you know they're dropping their feet.

1918
01:39:59,320 --> 01:40:02,760
Speaker 2: You set up quick, you don't. You never let them land,

1919
01:40:03,080 --> 01:40:06,320
Speaker 2: Like if a bird lands, our general rule is that

1920
01:40:06,479 --> 01:40:09,560
Speaker 2: they're safe. Like and everybody assumes if we're shooting a

1921
01:40:09,560 --> 01:40:12,040
Speaker 2: lot of bands and colors there. We hear people say

1922
01:40:12,080 --> 01:40:13,880
Speaker 2: all the time, like, yeah, we're gonna we're gonna shoot

1923
01:40:13,920 --> 01:40:16,120
Speaker 2: bands and collars. We just we just let them land

1924
01:40:16,160 --> 01:40:17,760
Speaker 2: and we get out the buy notes. It's like, oh

1925
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:21,240
Speaker 2: my god, you can't do that because you would shoot

1926
01:40:21,280 --> 01:40:26,920
Speaker 2: twenty five geese, you know, Like so you pretty much

1927
01:40:27,000 --> 01:40:31,400
Speaker 2: have to shoot them out of there. Otherwise, you know,

1928
01:40:31,439 --> 01:40:33,599
Speaker 2: you're just gonna have just too much, too many other.

1929
01:40:34,240 --> 01:40:37,080
Speaker 5: What is it with the waterfowlers and the collars?

1930
01:40:37,200 --> 01:40:37,879
Speaker 1: In the bands?

1931
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:42,160
Speaker 2: There's no antlers, there's no there's no there's no age

1932
01:40:42,200 --> 01:40:43,400
Speaker 2: group or anything like that.

1933
01:40:43,880 --> 01:40:47,439
Speaker 5: Like so that's how you guys found like the next

1934
01:40:47,600 --> 01:40:50,280
Speaker 5: like the next level of difficulty where some guy might

1935
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:52,000
Speaker 5: say I only hunt four and a half year old

1936
01:40:52,040 --> 01:40:56,439
Speaker 5: bucks year older. Yeah, you're like, well to get this

1937
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 5: with geese, what are we gonna do? So shoot the collar.

1938
01:40:59,520 --> 01:41:01,960
Speaker 2: Everybody looks at a different like Brad. Brad made a

1939
01:41:02,040 --> 01:41:04,479
Speaker 2: comment a month ago, and I was just kind of

1940
01:41:04,760 --> 01:41:07,640
Speaker 2: appalled by it. Honestly, he was like saying, like a

1941
01:41:07,760 --> 01:41:10,680
Speaker 2: collar is equivalent to like a three forty ball, and

1942
01:41:10,840 --> 01:41:14,680
Speaker 2: I was like, this is a this is coming. This

1943
01:41:14,800 --> 01:41:16,960
Speaker 2: is definitely a guy who hasn't shot at three forty

1944
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:20,960
Speaker 2: bull so like, But in his defense, I think what

1945
01:41:21,120 --> 01:41:22,200
Speaker 2: he means is.

1946
01:41:24,920 --> 01:41:27,160
Speaker 1: A thing of nature. A collar is a thing made

1947
01:41:27,280 --> 01:41:31,240
Speaker 1: a human factory, exactly exactly. It's like you're handling a

1948
01:41:31,360 --> 01:41:33,400
Speaker 1: bird that's been handled.

1949
01:41:33,520 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 2: Yep.

1950
01:41:34,000 --> 01:41:36,080
Speaker 1: I've always had a real like, I recognize it's cool,

1951
01:41:36,080 --> 01:41:37,720
Speaker 1: and I have a couple of my little box of

1952
01:41:37,880 --> 01:41:41,360
Speaker 1: like special things, but it's been You're not the first

1953
01:41:41,400 --> 01:41:43,160
Speaker 1: person to lay a hand on that bird. Yeah, and

1954
01:41:43,400 --> 01:41:46,960
Speaker 1: some of the magic's going. In fact, it was birds man.

1955
01:41:47,200 --> 01:41:48,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was one of the number ones. Because I

1956
01:41:48,880 --> 01:41:52,000
Speaker 2: got caught, right, I can't speak to that. Well, what

1957
01:41:52,320 --> 01:41:54,800
Speaker 2: what Brad was getting at, what he was meaning is

1958
01:41:57,280 --> 01:42:02,040
Speaker 2: waterfowlers want a collar as as bad as as big

1959
01:42:02,120 --> 01:42:04,240
Speaker 2: game hunters want a three or fording bowl.

1960
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:06,639
Speaker 1: All right, So at what point did you say to yourself,

1961
01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: this has all been great, Johnnie, but we got to

1962
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:10,200
Speaker 1: move along.

1963
01:42:10,320 --> 01:42:11,360
Speaker 2: I understand.

1964
01:42:13,040 --> 01:42:15,639
Speaker 1: When you started making them, and here you gotta be honest.

1965
01:42:15,800 --> 01:42:19,840
Speaker 1: You start making decoys for yourself and your garage. You

1966
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,640
Speaker 1: have to in your head, unless you're gonna lie to me,

1967
01:42:23,600 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: you have to in your head be thinking. I could

1968
01:42:27,360 --> 01:42:29,720
Speaker 1: see going into business making these and selling them.

1969
01:42:31,960 --> 01:42:34,920
Speaker 2: I mean that that came about fairly quickly once I

1970
01:42:35,080 --> 01:42:39,320
Speaker 2: realized how expensive the like the materials were and the

1971
01:42:39,400 --> 01:42:44,360
Speaker 2: moles were, and I had I was I really didn't

1972
01:42:44,360 --> 01:42:47,920
Speaker 2: want to because I just wanted for myself because they

1973
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,200
Speaker 2: were working really good. And I am like super super

1974
01:42:51,320 --> 01:42:54,400
Speaker 2: secretive with with so much of my hunting and fishing,

1975
01:42:54,439 --> 01:42:56,680
Speaker 2: and I don't post a lot or anything. I don't

1976
01:42:56,720 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 2: have any stickers on my truck and I once in

1977
01:42:59,280 --> 01:43:01,479
Speaker 2: a while I'll take my wife's car so that nobody

1978
01:43:01,560 --> 01:43:03,439
Speaker 2: knows where I'm at or what I'm doing.

1979
01:43:04,280 --> 01:43:06,400
Speaker 3: How secretive though, you did just give us a ton

1980
01:43:06,479 --> 01:43:07,599
Speaker 3: of antelope information.

1981
01:43:07,720 --> 01:43:12,960
Speaker 2: But we're family, right, you know, Like yeah, and I

1982
01:43:13,160 --> 01:43:15,360
Speaker 2: and he doesn't know this, but I held back some

1983
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:23,320
Speaker 2: pretty important I mean, just the reality set in that

1984
01:43:23,520 --> 01:43:26,080
Speaker 2: I've got a lot of money in these molds and

1985
01:43:26,120 --> 01:43:28,760
Speaker 2: everything like that, and then and so many people we

1986
01:43:29,320 --> 01:43:32,519
Speaker 2: were asking for them. And then when we started guiding,

1987
01:43:33,080 --> 01:43:35,719
Speaker 2: I was like, well, that's how make the money that's how.

1988
01:43:35,680 --> 01:43:38,479
Speaker 1: Make the money back being a successful guide.

1989
01:43:38,800 --> 01:43:43,120
Speaker 2: But when you're guiding, more more people than ever asked

1990
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:46,679
Speaker 2: wanted to buy decoys. So and we were having fun guiding.

1991
01:43:46,760 --> 01:43:50,200
Speaker 2: Brad and I were guiding together, and we were remembering

1992
01:43:50,200 --> 01:43:52,920
Speaker 2: the other day. On one season, we limited out with

1993
01:43:53,000 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 2: our clients every single day of the entire season except

1994
01:43:57,080 --> 01:43:59,719
Speaker 2: for two days, but we still killed fifty six geese

1995
01:43:59,760 --> 01:44:02,840
Speaker 2: and the two days. So we were we were doing

1996
01:44:02,960 --> 01:44:04,880
Speaker 2: really well and we were having a lot of fun,

1997
01:44:06,120 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 2: and life was good, and gas prices were fairly low

1998
01:44:08,600 --> 01:44:12,880
Speaker 2: and everything like that. But more people ask for for decoys.

1999
01:44:13,080 --> 01:44:16,320
Speaker 2: Gas prices started getting high, more people started hunting. Some

2000
01:44:16,400 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 2: of the places that we that we hunted were getting

2001
01:44:18,600 --> 01:44:20,880
Speaker 2: leased out from under us, even by clients and stuff.

2002
01:44:21,640 --> 01:44:25,720
Speaker 2: And Brad, you know, Bradd with an accounting major. The

2003
01:44:25,840 --> 01:44:27,400
Speaker 2: last thing in the world that he wanted to do

2004
01:44:27,600 --> 01:44:30,680
Speaker 2: is go become an accountant. And he was just like,

2005
01:44:31,080 --> 01:44:35,280
Speaker 2: let's let's start making decoys, and and I was all

2006
01:44:35,400 --> 01:44:38,840
Speaker 2: for it. So that's that's what we did. And and

2007
01:44:39,560 --> 01:44:43,880
Speaker 2: it's it's not a super lucrative business, that's for sure,

2008
01:44:43,960 --> 01:44:48,879
Speaker 2: but it's a super fun business. The people, all the clients,

2009
01:44:48,920 --> 01:44:54,280
Speaker 2: all the customers are are great, and everybody that you

2010
01:44:54,400 --> 01:44:58,639
Speaker 2: work with are all super super fun, really really cool people.

2011
01:44:59,280 --> 01:45:01,840
Speaker 2: So I I mean, I could have done a lot

2012
01:45:01,960 --> 01:45:03,920
Speaker 2: better if I'd just stayed at Nike and kept, you know,

2013
01:45:04,560 --> 01:45:07,400
Speaker 2: hammering on my four to one K, I wouldn't be

2014
01:45:07,439 --> 01:45:10,400
Speaker 2: here right now, and i'd be retired, retired. But I

2015
01:45:10,520 --> 01:45:13,720
Speaker 2: have no regrets whatsoever. And I mean, I would just

2016
01:45:13,840 --> 01:45:19,439
Speaker 2: encourage anybody that is just thinking about you know. I mean,

2017
01:45:19,439 --> 01:45:21,240
Speaker 2: I don't want you to quit your job necessarily, but

2018
01:45:21,360 --> 01:45:24,280
Speaker 2: I mean, I mean, it's it's very doable. If an

2019
01:45:24,320 --> 01:45:28,120
Speaker 2: idiot like me can, can you know, scratch out a

2020
01:45:28,200 --> 01:45:32,560
Speaker 2: living and doing something that you just absolutely love. I

2021
01:45:32,720 --> 01:45:35,160
Speaker 2: just encourage people to just go for it.

2022
01:45:35,920 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 6: You know.

2023
01:45:36,920 --> 01:45:40,200
Speaker 4: So at what point did you go from like the

2024
01:45:40,280 --> 01:45:44,479
Speaker 4: Goose decoys to like Turkey decoys or the Buck decoy.

2025
01:45:44,920 --> 01:45:47,960
Speaker 1: Yeah? I got turned on you guys years ago because

2026
01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:51,439
Speaker 1: of Turkey decoys. And that was through Yanni. Yeah, Yanni

2027
01:45:51,479 --> 01:45:52,320
Speaker 1: got turned on to them.

2028
01:45:52,960 --> 01:45:54,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. And I know, and I feel so bad because

2029
01:45:54,920 --> 01:45:56,519
Speaker 2: you know, my hearing is so bad. In one of

2030
01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:59,240
Speaker 2: our first conversations, you mentioned that, but I didn't hear

2031
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,599
Speaker 2: what you said. You were telling me that it was Yanni,

2032
01:46:03,280 --> 01:46:06,240
Speaker 2: and and I didn't. I didn't hear what you said,

2033
01:46:06,320 --> 01:46:09,200
Speaker 2: and I feel feel really bad, so I apologize, but yeah,

2034
01:46:09,320 --> 01:46:12,040
Speaker 2: I I do. I do kind of recall that and

2035
01:46:12,040 --> 01:46:14,280
Speaker 2: everything like that. But yeah, we so we made Goosey

2036
01:46:14,360 --> 01:46:17,960
Speaker 2: coys for and the the years of all this stuff

2037
01:46:18,040 --> 01:46:19,360
Speaker 2: is kind of hard for me to keep track. I

2038
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,599
Speaker 2: think I started the first Goosey coy in nineteen ninety

2039
01:46:22,640 --> 01:46:26,479
Speaker 2: eight and I finished it in nineteen ninety nine. And

2040
01:46:26,840 --> 01:46:31,479
Speaker 2: uh then Turkey's didn't start until, like I roughly ten

2041
01:46:31,600 --> 01:46:32,160
Speaker 2: years later.

2042
01:46:33,080 --> 01:46:35,000
Speaker 1: And how did you get turned down to me? Yannie?

2043
01:46:35,080 --> 01:46:38,280
Speaker 2: Jay Scott? Oh yeah, Jay Scott. We love Jay Scott. Yeah,

2044
01:46:38,280 --> 01:46:38,960
Speaker 2: he's a great guy.

2045
01:46:39,120 --> 01:46:42,679
Speaker 1: I got a turkey shooting No, he's a watching people

2046
01:46:42,720 --> 01:46:43,960
Speaker 1: shoot turkey son of a gun.

2047
01:46:44,400 --> 01:46:46,240
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah.

2048
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:47,720
Speaker 1: He likes turkey hunting man.

2049
01:46:47,800 --> 01:46:50,200
Speaker 2: Yeah he does. He likes he loves turkey, and he

2050
01:46:50,280 --> 01:46:50,760
Speaker 2: loves here.

2051
01:46:50,840 --> 01:46:53,720
Speaker 1: He has got you know, he likes being you know,

2052
01:46:53,960 --> 01:46:57,519
Speaker 1: he doesn't surprisingly small amount of hunting himself, I mean

2053
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:58,160
Speaker 1: as a guide.

2054
01:46:58,360 --> 01:47:00,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's in on.

2055
01:47:00,320 --> 01:47:03,280
Speaker 1: An extraordinary amount of turkey hunts. Yeah, not behind the

2056
01:47:03,320 --> 01:47:04,960
Speaker 1: trigger on the calls, you know.

2057
01:47:06,080 --> 01:47:08,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's funny. He has these incredible opportunities for

2058
01:47:08,680 --> 01:47:11,519
Speaker 2: Elk and cous Dere and you talk to him and

2059
01:47:11,560 --> 01:47:14,320
Speaker 2: he's just so passionate about turkeys, you know, more so

2060
01:47:14,439 --> 01:47:19,360
Speaker 2: than almost anything. But yeah, and so Turkey's it was

2061
01:47:19,400 --> 01:47:21,680
Speaker 2: just we had a lot of our customers talking to

2062
01:47:21,800 --> 01:47:23,920
Speaker 2: us and just saying, my gosh, like, if you guys

2063
01:47:23,960 --> 01:47:26,600
Speaker 2: can make a goose decoy like this, the turkey, the

2064
01:47:26,720 --> 01:47:30,400
Speaker 2: Turkey market, the turkey hunting is ready for an ultra

2065
01:47:30,479 --> 01:47:33,479
Speaker 2: realistic turkey decoy. And there were so many people that

2066
01:47:33,600 --> 01:47:37,560
Speaker 2: didn't like to use Turkey decoys, but a lot of

2067
01:47:37,560 --> 01:47:39,840
Speaker 2: the reasons because most of the turkey decoys were just terrible.

2068
01:47:40,439 --> 01:47:43,560
Speaker 2: And so we you know, I did I did the

2069
01:47:43,600 --> 01:47:46,400
Speaker 2: sculpture of an upright hend and Brad took it to

2070
01:47:46,560 --> 01:47:52,200
Speaker 2: the NWTF show and the I mean, it was just

2071
01:47:52,320 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 2: overwhelming support and demand for that. Like we were like

2072
01:47:56,720 --> 01:47:59,120
Speaker 2: kind of like scared if we if we would have

2073
01:47:59,200 --> 01:48:03,720
Speaker 2: had the product, we could have sold so many thousands

2074
01:48:03,960 --> 01:48:07,400
Speaker 2: upon thousands of turkey days over the next five years

2075
01:48:07,439 --> 01:48:10,360
Speaker 2: after that, because it took five years before other companies

2076
01:48:10,479 --> 01:48:13,280
Speaker 2: kind of caught on, like crap dsd is selling the

2077
01:48:13,400 --> 01:48:15,920
Speaker 2: ship out of Turkey decoys. We got to make one,

2078
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:19,800
Speaker 2: and so we had, you know, we had five or

2079
01:48:19,880 --> 01:48:23,000
Speaker 2: six years of before the rest of the industry caught up,

2080
01:48:23,000 --> 01:48:24,400
Speaker 2: and we were making them as fast as we could

2081
01:48:24,439 --> 01:48:26,280
Speaker 2: make them, but you know, we couldn't catch up. And

2082
01:48:26,360 --> 01:48:29,960
Speaker 2: now now everybody has an ultra realistic turkey decoy and

2083
01:48:30,000 --> 01:48:33,360
Speaker 2: some of them actually looking an awful lot like ours,

2084
01:48:34,640 --> 01:48:36,759
Speaker 2: and that you know that happens, it's a great compliment.

2085
01:48:38,520 --> 01:48:40,160
Speaker 2: And then the Dirty okoy was kind of the same way,

2086
01:48:40,200 --> 01:48:42,800
Speaker 2: though Dirty cooy was kind of a weird thing. So

2087
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:46,200
Speaker 2: this guy, Randy bird Song how I've actually never met,

2088
01:48:46,800 --> 01:48:50,760
Speaker 2: but he hunted a lot with Lee and Tiffany. He

2089
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:55,200
Speaker 2: was kind of sending messages through our you know, I

2090
01:48:55,240 --> 01:48:57,759
Speaker 2: don't know, through through through phone calls or our website

2091
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:00,040
Speaker 2: or email or whatever, saying you got to make a

2092
01:49:00,080 --> 01:49:02,320
Speaker 2: buck decoy. It's got to be in this posturing position.

2093
01:49:03,479 --> 01:49:06,080
Speaker 2: So so I make it. I agreed to one hundred percent.

2094
01:49:06,280 --> 01:49:09,760
Speaker 2: I think he was dead on and I agreed one

2095
01:49:09,800 --> 01:49:11,920
Speaker 2: hundred percent, and I just started on it right away.

2096
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:13,880
Speaker 2: And I love deer, love deer hunting.

2097
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,040
Speaker 1: Where can people go to watch what you let video

2098
01:49:16,120 --> 01:49:19,040
Speaker 1: you show me of bucks working over your buck decoys?

2099
01:49:19,040 --> 01:49:20,120
Speaker 1: Where is that video? Live.

2100
01:49:20,800 --> 01:49:22,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I have a whole bunch of them.

2101
01:49:22,240 --> 01:49:24,920
Speaker 1: I just down one day a bunch of them. Yeah,

2102
01:49:24,920 --> 01:49:26,719
Speaker 1: I want to. Okay, but you guys had a montage

2103
01:49:26,760 --> 01:49:27,280
Speaker 1: put together.

2104
01:49:27,640 --> 01:49:30,280
Speaker 2: Oh oh yeah, so that was that was just all

2105
01:49:30,360 --> 01:49:35,400
Speaker 2: our customers. You know. Melissa Bachman, she's she's she's very good,

2106
01:49:35,920 --> 01:49:38,519
Speaker 2: very good hunter, and she's very good at decoying. And

2107
01:49:38,840 --> 01:49:42,639
Speaker 2: you know, decoying is a little different, you know the key.

2108
01:49:43,680 --> 01:49:45,800
Speaker 2: It's like, if you're just a really really good white

2109
01:49:45,800 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 2: tail hunter, you're not necessarily a really good decoy hunter.

2110
01:49:48,520 --> 01:49:50,360
Speaker 2: Like it's it's just a little bit of a learning

2111
01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:53,200
Speaker 2: learning curve to it. But she's very good, she's very

2112
01:49:53,360 --> 01:49:55,960
Speaker 2: very good, totally knows what she's doing, and she provides

2113
01:49:55,960 --> 01:49:57,000
Speaker 2: a lot of footage for us.

2114
01:49:57,160 --> 01:49:57,439
Speaker 1: Got it.

2115
01:49:57,920 --> 01:50:01,080
Speaker 4: Yeah, I always remember seeing the art Lambeau Hunter guys

2116
01:50:01,640 --> 01:50:04,559
Speaker 4: have like wicked footage of using that decoy.

2117
01:50:04,920 --> 01:50:05,720
Speaker 2: Those guys are great.

2118
01:50:05,760 --> 01:50:09,240
Speaker 5: But is that montage available on your website maybe or

2119
01:50:09,600 --> 01:50:13,240
Speaker 5: or somewhere. No, you just made it the montage.

2120
01:50:13,360 --> 01:50:15,680
Speaker 1: No no, No, it's like branded DSD in them. But

2121
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:18,400
Speaker 1: it's all those bucks doing that same head motion, yeah,

2122
01:50:18,600 --> 01:50:20,760
Speaker 1: smashing a decoy, and they all do that little tip

2123
01:50:20,840 --> 01:50:22,400
Speaker 1: of the head. It's so wild, man.

2124
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:25,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, they rolling their eyes, Their eyes are rolling around

2125
01:50:25,800 --> 01:50:28,000
Speaker 2: in their head, and they lick, They licked their nose.

2126
01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:30,800
Speaker 1: They cocked their head. They're always cocked their head at

2127
01:50:30,800 --> 01:50:31,760
Speaker 1: that weird angle. Man.

2128
01:50:31,840 --> 01:50:35,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, when you see that there's an explosion getting ready

2129
01:50:35,800 --> 01:50:38,760
Speaker 5: to happen, you're lucky enough to see two mule the

2130
01:50:38,880 --> 01:50:41,479
Speaker 5: or do it. I was just like kind of in

2131
01:50:41,560 --> 01:50:43,880
Speaker 5: and out of Bino's. But my daughter got to watch

2132
01:50:43,920 --> 01:50:45,960
Speaker 5: it through a spotting scope and my brother in law

2133
01:50:46,000 --> 01:50:49,080
Speaker 5: through another spotting scope. But just came in, you know,

2134
01:50:49,280 --> 01:50:52,160
Speaker 5: two big herds of does behind them each and heads

2135
01:50:52,280 --> 01:50:54,960
Speaker 5: almost upside down, and like you're saying, you can see

2136
01:50:55,000 --> 01:50:57,840
Speaker 5: the eyes just doing these weird things. And I mean

2137
01:50:58,120 --> 01:50:59,920
Speaker 5: seconds later, it's like the dog.

2138
01:51:00,479 --> 01:51:03,200
Speaker 1: It is like someone putting their hand on their pistol. Yeah,

2139
01:51:06,640 --> 01:51:07,360
Speaker 1: on your pistol.

2140
01:51:07,400 --> 01:51:10,320
Speaker 3: When he cocks his head, their blood is just starting

2141
01:51:10,400 --> 01:51:11,559
Speaker 3: to boil and boil.

2142
01:51:11,640 --> 01:51:15,240
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's amazing watching deer interact with that thing. Well,

2143
01:51:15,320 --> 01:51:17,360
Speaker 1: some ways, this guy comes what's his name bird Song.

2144
01:51:17,320 --> 01:51:20,160
Speaker 2: Yeah, Randy Birdsong, And I just feel like it's really

2145
01:51:20,200 --> 01:51:23,680
Speaker 2: important to point that out because I could not get

2146
01:51:23,680 --> 01:51:25,080
Speaker 2: a hold of him. I wanted to give him a

2147
01:51:25,160 --> 01:51:28,560
Speaker 2: decoy afterwards, and I wanted to tell him thank you

2148
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,400
Speaker 2: and and and all this stuff or whatever, and he

2149
01:51:30,560 --> 01:51:33,360
Speaker 2: just disappeared off the face of the earth. And it's

2150
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:38,000
Speaker 2: just like no, I mean, he's around somewhere and he

2151
01:51:38,160 --> 01:51:40,720
Speaker 2: just deserves credit for that, and and I want to

2152
01:51:40,760 --> 01:51:41,599
Speaker 2: give him a decoy.

2153
01:51:42,040 --> 01:51:44,080
Speaker 1: Well, hopefully someone could pass this along to him.

2154
01:51:44,200 --> 01:51:46,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I remember, I remember watching that guy's hunting

2155
01:51:46,760 --> 01:51:50,800
Speaker 4: stuff back in the day, Randy Bird song. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2156
01:51:50,840 --> 01:51:52,240
Speaker 4: he was on TV shows and stuff.

2157
01:51:52,800 --> 01:51:55,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, he seemed like a great hunter, and obviously he knows,

2158
01:51:55,720 --> 01:51:57,680
Speaker 2: you know, about white tael behavior and.

2159
01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:01,519
Speaker 1: Everything like that. So, so describe the deer's in Yeah.

2160
01:52:01,600 --> 01:52:04,880
Speaker 2: So, I mean, first of all, all their you know,

2161
01:52:04,960 --> 01:52:08,760
Speaker 2: all their hair is bristled. It's it's raised in the

2162
01:52:08,840 --> 01:52:12,439
Speaker 2: same way that an animal would do for heating and cooling,

2163
01:52:13,800 --> 01:52:15,760
Speaker 2: and it's just to look big, just to look as

2164
01:52:15,840 --> 01:52:18,599
Speaker 2: large as possible. And then what happens with the deer

2165
01:52:18,920 --> 01:52:22,719
Speaker 2: is when that happens, there's not this this perfect division

2166
01:52:23,160 --> 01:52:25,439
Speaker 2: of hair, so it ended up it'll end up with

2167
01:52:25,479 --> 01:52:27,800
Speaker 2: a bunch of vertical cracks along the side and then

2168
01:52:27,880 --> 01:52:31,160
Speaker 2: vertical cracks along the neck and that's kind of important.

2169
01:52:31,200 --> 01:52:32,960
Speaker 2: And that's on the decoy and everything, and the ears

2170
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,600
Speaker 2: are pinned back as far as they go, and that

2171
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 2: I think is to make the the the the neck

2172
01:52:38,080 --> 01:52:41,000
Speaker 2: look big and the antlers look big. And so, you

2173
01:52:41,080 --> 01:52:43,600
Speaker 2: know I first made that pose. It's like like with

2174
01:52:43,720 --> 01:52:45,600
Speaker 2: a lot of poses, we had a whole bunch of

2175
01:52:45,640 --> 01:52:48,479
Speaker 2: people saying like, that is the goofiest thing I've ever seen.

2176
01:52:48,600 --> 01:52:50,880
Speaker 2: You'll never sell. It looks like a donkey, blah blah blah.

2177
01:52:51,360 --> 01:52:53,479
Speaker 2: And then people do just a little bit of research

2178
01:52:53,560 --> 01:52:54,920
Speaker 2: and next thing, you know, they find out that we're

2179
01:52:55,000 --> 01:53:00,760
Speaker 2: not so far off. And then the back is just

2180
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:04,960
Speaker 2: slightly arched, you know, in the head is raised a

2181
01:53:05,040 --> 01:53:09,559
Speaker 2: certain amount, and uh, that's really all it takes.

2182
01:53:09,920 --> 01:53:13,719
Speaker 5: Did you choose a specific age class of of buck

2183
01:53:14,280 --> 01:53:15,080
Speaker 5: to mimic?

2184
01:53:15,600 --> 01:53:19,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, So all these decoys, because I love blacktail hunting

2185
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,280
Speaker 2: so much, I cheat them just a little bit and

2186
01:53:22,520 --> 01:53:25,479
Speaker 2: I'm I'll make the I'll make the the snout, the

2187
01:53:25,560 --> 01:53:28,240
Speaker 2: muzzle just a little bit shorter and and lean them.

2188
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:31,040
Speaker 2: This is a terrible thing to admit to all heart.

2189
01:53:32,680 --> 01:53:36,000
Speaker 1: You change the decoy for your own blacktail hunting, your

2190
01:53:36,040 --> 01:53:37,360
Speaker 1: own esoteric.

2191
01:53:37,760 --> 01:53:41,679
Speaker 2: Well not as specific like like for the actual production decoy,

2192
01:53:41,880 --> 01:53:45,000
Speaker 2: like so every and we sell them all over the Midwest,

2193
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:47,600
Speaker 2: like that's where they get used like crazy, and and

2194
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:51,000
Speaker 2: so all you Midwesterners that are using, you know, a

2195
01:53:51,120 --> 01:53:53,519
Speaker 2: DSc pastoring book, I'm sorry that it looks a little

2196
01:53:53,520 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 2: bit like a black tail, but that's just what I did.

2197
01:53:56,240 --> 01:54:00,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's but the but there is some c

2198
01:54:00,280 --> 01:54:02,479
Speaker 2: things that it doesn't look. It has to look old

2199
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:07,040
Speaker 2: enough and mature enough to be a threat without being

2200
01:54:07,240 --> 01:54:08,720
Speaker 2: too much of a threat. So it's not going to

2201
01:54:08,760 --> 01:54:10,760
Speaker 2: work in every region. I mean you you know, there

2202
01:54:10,800 --> 01:54:13,040
Speaker 2: are certain parts of the country where that buck would

2203
01:54:13,080 --> 01:54:14,280
Speaker 2: be way too big.

2204
01:54:16,000 --> 01:54:18,479
Speaker 1: It's some three hundred and fifty pound one hundred and

2205
01:54:18,479 --> 01:54:20,880
Speaker 1: eighty inch buck. A lot of bucks might be like,

2206
01:54:21,000 --> 01:54:24,680
Speaker 1: yeah he can, I'll let him handle this situation, and.

2207
01:54:24,720 --> 01:54:26,800
Speaker 2: They and it brings him down off the bluffs and

2208
01:54:26,880 --> 01:54:28,799
Speaker 2: stuff like that, like in broad daylight.

2209
01:54:28,920 --> 01:54:29,160
Speaker 1: Like I.

2210
01:54:30,720 --> 01:54:34,120
Speaker 2: My friend Paul Minew He's got five hundred acres in

2211
01:54:34,280 --> 01:54:37,160
Speaker 2: Buffalo County, Wisconsin, and this is a magical place and

2212
01:54:37,160 --> 01:54:40,440
Speaker 2: it's super fun to go and and that decoy has

2213
01:54:40,480 --> 01:54:43,200
Speaker 2: brought big bucks out, you know, in the daylight that

2214
01:54:43,320 --> 01:54:46,440
Speaker 2: I don't think would have otherwise otherwise come out, and

2215
01:54:47,000 --> 01:54:49,680
Speaker 2: we get reports of that all the time. So I'd

2216
01:54:49,720 --> 01:54:53,400
Speaker 2: say the hardest thing is knowing when to shoot, and

2217
01:54:53,560 --> 01:54:56,000
Speaker 2: you don't always get a perfect shot with that. With

2218
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:59,280
Speaker 2: that buck, you know, like like if you can get

2219
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,240
Speaker 2: him to to be coming and he'll be walking slow,

2220
01:55:02,320 --> 01:55:03,800
Speaker 2: and if you can get him to quarter, you know,

2221
01:55:03,880 --> 01:55:07,440
Speaker 2: a quarter away or a broadside like that. Honestly, is

2222
01:55:08,080 --> 01:55:12,320
Speaker 2: is usually the time to shoot. If the buck crashes

2223
01:55:12,360 --> 01:55:15,080
Speaker 2: the decoy, there's no guarantee you that you're gonna get

2224
01:55:15,080 --> 01:55:18,840
Speaker 2: a shot and at what distance because he'll jump away.

2225
01:55:18,960 --> 01:55:21,920
Speaker 2: Sometimes he keeps running and never stops, and sometimes he

2226
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:23,960
Speaker 2: jumps away twenty yards and all of a sudden, if

2227
01:55:23,960 --> 01:55:26,680
Speaker 2: you have the decoy at twenty yards, now you got

2228
01:55:26,720 --> 01:55:28,880
Speaker 2: a forty yard shot and you don't know what angle

2229
01:55:29,000 --> 01:55:29,960
Speaker 2: he's gonna So.

2230
01:55:30,440 --> 01:55:32,680
Speaker 1: In that video, it's amazing how many of those deer

2231
01:55:33,680 --> 01:55:38,960
Speaker 1: eat it because they're expecting resistance. Yeah that's not there. Yeah,

2232
01:55:39,040 --> 01:55:41,440
Speaker 1: So they're like running into this thing so hard, and

2233
01:55:41,880 --> 01:55:44,360
Speaker 1: you know, they're assuming that there's something that's gonna stop them.

2234
01:55:44,480 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 1: But then that thing goes and then they go ass

2235
01:55:46,600 --> 01:55:49,480
Speaker 1: over tea kettle and just get like this totally like

2236
01:55:49,840 --> 01:55:51,960
Speaker 1: but not like if views their toylet like take that.

2237
01:55:53,480 --> 01:55:55,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, the then they look back at it like what

2238
01:55:55,440 --> 01:55:55,960
Speaker 2: did I just do?

2239
01:55:56,160 --> 01:55:57,640
Speaker 5: Like a level that.

2240
01:55:58,240 --> 01:56:01,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm good at that. But that's also why we

2241
01:56:01,400 --> 01:56:04,000
Speaker 2: encourage people to use the stand instead of the steak,

2242
01:56:04,160 --> 01:56:08,040
Speaker 2: because the deer can actually hurt hurt himself on the steak,

2243
01:56:08,520 --> 01:56:12,720
Speaker 2: you know, as they crashed the deco. So the stand

2244
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:16,920
Speaker 2: breaks away, everything breaks away, and that's that's the best system.

2245
01:56:17,000 --> 01:56:20,600
Speaker 2: And I thought that's all we were selling, is the stand,

2246
01:56:21,120 --> 01:56:25,160
Speaker 2: and those were mine wishes and my instructions. And then

2247
01:56:25,200 --> 01:56:27,880
Speaker 2: I just found out at the GTM that like, no,

2248
01:56:28,080 --> 01:56:30,160
Speaker 2: it comes with a steak, and I'm like, ah, yeah, yeah,

2249
01:56:30,760 --> 01:56:36,040
Speaker 2: like i'd really hold now the steak is fiberglass. But

2250
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:39,640
Speaker 2: you know the problem is is that they they could

2251
01:56:39,680 --> 01:56:42,880
Speaker 2: hurt their you know, they can hurt their stroke. Crote

2252
01:56:42,880 --> 01:56:45,880
Speaker 2: them on it, and then then you have one heard

2253
01:56:45,920 --> 01:56:48,440
Speaker 2: it scroll them. Yeah yeah I did. That's kind of

2254
01:56:48,480 --> 01:56:53,000
Speaker 2: he became my own fault. Yeah. Well that one was

2255
01:56:53,040 --> 01:56:55,360
Speaker 2: a that was a big four point, like a one

2256
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:59,600
Speaker 2: hundred and forty inch four point And then what did

2257
01:56:59,640 --> 01:57:02,920
Speaker 2: he do? He grew the next year he grews. I

2258
01:57:03,000 --> 01:57:07,760
Speaker 2: can't remember exactly the the timing of all that, because

2259
01:57:08,360 --> 01:57:12,840
Speaker 2: he crashed the gear in the fall. And then it's

2260
01:57:12,880 --> 01:57:15,200
Speaker 2: like he grew antlers the next year, and they were

2261
01:57:15,240 --> 01:57:18,320
Speaker 2: in velvet and then they that was it. That's that's

2262
01:57:18,760 --> 01:57:21,200
Speaker 2: that's the uh. They never he never came out of

2263
01:57:21,280 --> 01:57:24,840
Speaker 2: velvet ever again. He had his antlers year round and

2264
01:57:25,000 --> 01:57:29,120
Speaker 2: they and over the years they crumbled. They got shorter

2265
01:57:29,240 --> 01:57:32,840
Speaker 2: and shorter and shorter. And he just got gigantic because

2266
01:57:32,920 --> 01:57:35,720
Speaker 2: he didn't go through the rigors of the rut. He

2267
01:57:35,880 --> 01:57:38,080
Speaker 2: just ate all the time and he had didn't have

2268
01:57:38,200 --> 01:57:41,800
Speaker 2: to put, you know, any of his eating into dealing

2269
01:57:41,880 --> 01:57:44,360
Speaker 2: with the rut, you know, So he just got gigantic

2270
01:57:44,440 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 2: and and he never came out.

2271
01:57:47,400 --> 01:57:50,120
Speaker 5: But his antlers didn't get gigantic, only his body did.

2272
01:57:50,320 --> 01:57:50,520
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2273
01:57:50,760 --> 01:57:53,120
Speaker 2: No, Well, his antlers never grew again, and they actually

2274
01:57:53,120 --> 01:57:55,520
Speaker 2: got shorter every day because they got so brittle that

2275
01:57:55,640 --> 01:57:58,640
Speaker 2: they would just crumble, the tops of them would crumble down.

2276
01:57:58,920 --> 01:58:01,120
Speaker 4: So he hit that decoing. God is nuts caught on

2277
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:01,560
Speaker 4: the steak.

2278
01:58:02,000 --> 01:58:08,000
Speaker 2: Well, we are assuming that I've got some videos. I've

2279
01:58:08,000 --> 01:58:10,920
Speaker 2: got lots of videos of blacktail bucks crashing the decoy.

2280
01:58:11,480 --> 01:58:13,640
Speaker 2: But it happened so fast that I can't tell for sure,

2281
01:58:14,280 --> 01:58:17,600
Speaker 2: but it could have been a barb bar fence or something.

2282
01:58:19,040 --> 01:58:20,880
Speaker 2: We don't know for sure. It was just one of

2283
01:58:20,960 --> 01:58:23,200
Speaker 2: the things that we sort of assume may have happened.

2284
01:58:24,000 --> 01:58:27,000
Speaker 2: We don't unless anybody knows of any I don't know

2285
01:58:27,120 --> 01:58:31,440
Speaker 2: for sure of anything real bad happening, but it looks

2286
01:58:31,480 --> 01:58:32,640
Speaker 2: like for sure something could.

2287
01:58:34,520 --> 01:58:37,360
Speaker 1: And then you're working on a female and you're talking

2288
01:58:37,400 --> 01:58:39,560
Speaker 1: about her posture, but you kind of you don't want

2289
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:41,360
Speaker 1: to make it that her posture is like too much

2290
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,000
Speaker 1: of a good thing, because then a buck might not

2291
01:58:43,120 --> 01:58:43,440
Speaker 1: buy it.

2292
01:58:43,920 --> 01:58:44,880
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, So.

2293
01:58:46,680 --> 01:58:49,040
Speaker 1: Like herd is standing on the open like just ready

2294
01:58:49,080 --> 01:58:50,440
Speaker 1: to roll, it's not what you're after.

2295
01:58:50,960 --> 01:58:53,480
Speaker 2: Yeah yeah. So and the same thing we had to

2296
01:58:53,520 --> 01:58:57,160
Speaker 2: worry about age too, because if we made her, you know,

2297
01:58:57,280 --> 01:59:01,640
Speaker 2: a big giant mature dough, then you know, there are

2298
01:59:01,840 --> 01:59:06,400
Speaker 2: a lot of does would would you know, blow out

2299
01:59:06,440 --> 01:59:11,160
Speaker 2: her and and that could cause a lot of problems

2300
01:59:11,200 --> 01:59:14,160
Speaker 2: and stuff like that. So so she's she's also supposed

2301
01:59:14,200 --> 01:59:16,920
Speaker 2: to be she's supposed to look like she's just of

2302
01:59:17,080 --> 01:59:21,240
Speaker 2: breeding age, like just old enough to to breed without

2303
01:59:21,320 --> 01:59:23,480
Speaker 2: being like a big old, you know horse face like

2304
01:59:24,440 --> 01:59:28,040
Speaker 2: you know, dominant dough and then yeah, her body posture,

2305
01:59:28,160 --> 01:59:33,080
Speaker 2: she's mostly standing and relax and stuff. But but yeah,

2306
01:59:33,280 --> 01:59:35,240
Speaker 2: just a little hint she's dropped down in the rear

2307
01:59:35,480 --> 01:59:38,040
Speaker 2: a little bit kind of look you know, kind of

2308
01:59:38,080 --> 01:59:42,280
Speaker 2: look like it could happen here. Yeah, and maybe yeah

2309
01:59:42,360 --> 01:59:44,840
Speaker 2: it's where the and you know those bucks like they

2310
01:59:45,280 --> 01:59:47,560
Speaker 2: like blacktail bucks. I can't wait to use on blacktails

2311
01:59:47,600 --> 01:59:51,080
Speaker 2: because blacktails if I mean one of the primary areas

2312
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:52,800
Speaker 2: that I had blacktails that I think last year there

2313
01:59:52,880 --> 01:59:55,560
Speaker 2: was like twenty twenty two bucks and two dos. So

2314
01:59:56,200 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 2: if you if you use a but a you know,

2315
01:59:58,840 --> 02:00:00,920
Speaker 2: a buck decoy hasn't been very effective there, but a

2316
02:00:01,040 --> 02:00:03,640
Speaker 2: dough decoy, like any blacktail buck will just come running

2317
02:00:04,040 --> 02:00:06,040
Speaker 2: right up to it, because if they see a dough,

2318
02:00:06,720 --> 02:00:08,640
Speaker 2: I mean, they just come running up up to it

2319
02:00:08,760 --> 02:00:10,960
Speaker 2: right away. Like there. You know, it's like we've all

2320
02:00:11,040 --> 02:00:12,680
Speaker 2: been there. You know, it's like you get desperate.

2321
02:00:14,360 --> 02:00:16,480
Speaker 3: So it's like Bosman twelve years ago.

2322
02:00:17,560 --> 02:00:25,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she you know, I've had some some people

2323
02:00:25,760 --> 02:00:27,760
Speaker 2: tell me that I've seen her like like, oh my gosh,

2324
02:00:27,800 --> 02:00:29,720
Speaker 2: you should have had her in the full squatting position,

2325
02:00:29,920 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 2: you know, like and I don't one hundred percent agree

2326
02:00:33,440 --> 02:00:37,080
Speaker 2: with that. Just because you know, the dough stands. He

2327
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:40,600
Speaker 2: the dough stands to be bred really only when the

2328
02:00:40,640 --> 02:00:44,760
Speaker 2: buck is right right on her. So so for her

2329
02:00:44,840 --> 02:00:47,000
Speaker 2: to be standing, you know, standing to be bred, it

2330
02:00:47,120 --> 02:00:52,080
Speaker 2: might not look so much standing almost squatting. Yeah, it's

2331
02:00:52,440 --> 02:00:55,560
Speaker 2: it's a little low. It's lower than our than our decoy.

2332
02:00:55,640 --> 02:00:57,760
Speaker 2: And you know, like what we were saying is it

2333
02:00:57,800 --> 02:00:59,640
Speaker 2: could end up looking like she's just like taking a

2334
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:01,240
Speaker 2: ship or whatever. And so if she's out in the

2335
02:01:01,280 --> 02:01:03,280
Speaker 2: middle and like, oh, there's a dope, Oh she's taking

2336
02:01:03,320 --> 02:01:05,720
Speaker 2: a ship, It's like, I don't know, I mean, that's

2337
02:01:06,360 --> 02:01:08,360
Speaker 2: might not be the most appealing thing or whatever, but

2338
02:01:08,480 --> 02:01:10,920
Speaker 2: I know a black seal buck would charge heright in there.

2339
02:01:11,400 --> 02:01:12,880
Speaker 2: You sell what you're doing.

2340
02:01:13,160 --> 02:01:15,080
Speaker 4: You sell the pelletsers on.

2341
02:01:15,600 --> 02:01:17,280
Speaker 2: She can't ship, she can't ship forever.

2342
02:01:27,080 --> 02:01:30,040
Speaker 5: Two questions earlier, you said in Buffalo County, it would

2343
02:01:30,120 --> 02:01:33,080
Speaker 5: make these bucks come out that otherwise would not have

2344
02:01:33,200 --> 02:01:36,400
Speaker 5: come out in daylight. Yeah, can you explain that a

2345
02:01:36,400 --> 02:01:37,800
Speaker 5: little bit more because I'm trying to figure out, like

2346
02:01:37,880 --> 02:01:40,000
Speaker 5: how do they get the like did they place them

2347
02:01:40,040 --> 02:01:41,640
Speaker 5: where the buck could see the.

2348
02:01:43,760 --> 02:01:44,040
Speaker 3: Bluff?

2349
02:01:44,400 --> 02:01:48,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's bluff country and in Buffalo county. So

2350
02:01:48,720 --> 02:01:51,360
Speaker 2: it's a lot of there's ag and then there's you know,

2351
02:01:51,560 --> 02:01:53,800
Speaker 2: rocky rocky bluffs all around it, and that the deer

2352
02:01:53,840 --> 02:01:56,280
Speaker 2: all we don't go up into the and we don't

2353
02:01:56,320 --> 02:01:59,640
Speaker 2: go up really, we don't go more than fifty yards

2354
02:02:00,360 --> 02:02:03,240
Speaker 2: into that ever. I mean, not even for chad hunting

2355
02:02:03,320 --> 02:02:05,400
Speaker 2: or anything like. Like literally there's so munch of that

2356
02:02:05,520 --> 02:02:08,960
Speaker 2: that know human that's a sanctuary. Yeah, that's a sanctuary, yep.

2357
02:02:09,080 --> 02:02:11,600
Speaker 5: And so their cruise along that edge, they look down

2358
02:02:11,640 --> 02:02:13,280
Speaker 5: in the field, they see the decoy.

2359
02:02:13,480 --> 02:02:16,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, but you know, those those cruising bucks don't look.

2360
02:02:16,800 --> 02:02:20,280
Speaker 2: They are just they just do not know. Look. Yeah, yeah,

2361
02:02:20,360 --> 02:02:23,960
Speaker 2: they'll yeah, they're all scent checking areas and stuff. And

2362
02:02:24,040 --> 02:02:28,200
Speaker 2: sometimes they will literally be on the other side of

2363
02:02:28,400 --> 02:02:31,200
Speaker 2: the top of the bluff then that the way that

2364
02:02:31,280 --> 02:02:33,520
Speaker 2: the wind comes up the bluff and it curls and stuff.

2365
02:02:33,560 --> 02:02:35,480
Speaker 2: It's it's kind of kind of crazy what they do,

2366
02:02:35,640 --> 02:02:38,400
Speaker 2: but but they are betted, and they do get up

2367
02:02:38,440 --> 02:02:41,240
Speaker 2: occasionally because they know they're in such a sanctuary that

2368
02:02:41,800 --> 02:02:43,800
Speaker 2: they know that they're safe and everything like that. They

2369
02:02:43,840 --> 02:02:46,000
Speaker 2: get up and feed a little bit, and they're betted

2370
02:02:46,040 --> 02:02:48,480
Speaker 2: and stuff like that, and they might watch you set

2371
02:02:48,560 --> 02:02:51,200
Speaker 2: up the decoy and then like I mean, and some

2372
02:02:51,320 --> 02:02:54,920
Speaker 2: of that is assuming because you know you can't you

2373
02:02:55,000 --> 02:02:58,080
Speaker 2: can't really see them up there. And then but you

2374
02:02:58,240 --> 02:03:00,560
Speaker 2: are in a big, wide open field. Yeah. Yeah, you

2375
02:03:00,720 --> 02:03:03,280
Speaker 2: drove up in a bad boy buggy and you get

2376
02:03:03,560 --> 02:03:05,600
Speaker 2: get the decoy out and everything, and you do it

2377
02:03:05,680 --> 02:03:09,480
Speaker 2: early enough in the in the afternoon, you know, And

2378
02:03:09,600 --> 02:03:12,000
Speaker 2: then that's at the times and when they would be

2379
02:03:12,040 --> 02:03:13,560
Speaker 2: able to see you. But otherwise it would be in

2380
02:03:13,640 --> 02:03:18,480
Speaker 2: the in the mornings when it's dark. And but there's

2381
02:03:18,480 --> 02:03:20,640
Speaker 2: times when we don't really want to do that either too,

2382
02:03:20,680 --> 02:03:24,280
Speaker 2: because in the mornings, in the dark, those bucks are

2383
02:03:24,360 --> 02:03:26,200
Speaker 2: moving or moving around and they're down on the bottom.

2384
02:03:26,280 --> 02:03:28,320
Speaker 2: Just like with blacktail hunting, I don't even hunt mornings.

2385
02:03:28,840 --> 02:03:30,960
Speaker 2: I give them the mornings. I don't. I do not

2386
02:03:31,120 --> 02:03:33,680
Speaker 2: like going in my tree stand or ground blind and

2387
02:03:33,800 --> 02:03:35,800
Speaker 2: bumping deer out or anything like that. I go in

2388
02:03:35,880 --> 02:03:38,200
Speaker 2: in the middle of the day and sit till dark,

2389
02:03:38,240 --> 02:03:40,200
Speaker 2: because I can get out of a stand with deer

2390
02:03:40,400 --> 02:03:43,760
Speaker 2: around at dark, but I can't get into a stand

2391
02:03:44,560 --> 02:03:46,360
Speaker 2: in the mornings with the dark. And I think that's

2392
02:03:46,400 --> 02:03:48,680
Speaker 2: one of the biggest problems that people have with blacktails

2393
02:03:48,680 --> 02:03:49,160
Speaker 2: and that's.

2394
02:03:49,040 --> 02:03:51,280
Speaker 1: How I've I want to come out and hunt blacktails

2395
02:03:51,320 --> 02:03:52,160
Speaker 1: with you, man, man.

2396
02:03:52,240 --> 02:03:56,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, come on out, Like there's the the way that

2397
02:03:56,440 --> 02:03:59,720
Speaker 2: I've finally cracked it the code is by getting permission

2398
02:03:59,760 --> 02:04:03,760
Speaker 2: on good private properties, because some of the public stuff

2399
02:04:03,880 --> 02:04:06,160
Speaker 2: is just kind of horrible or burnt to the ground.

2400
02:04:07,000 --> 02:04:11,280
Speaker 2: But I spent six six years writing over one hundred

2401
02:04:11,360 --> 02:04:15,240
Speaker 2: letters a year in the spring and ended up with

2402
02:04:15,360 --> 02:04:17,400
Speaker 2: some with some pretty good properties. I just have to

2403
02:04:17,480 --> 02:04:20,320
Speaker 2: kind of get the okay, the okay from the landowners

2404
02:04:20,360 --> 02:04:22,160
Speaker 2: and stuff. But I mean, some of them are just

2405
02:04:22,320 --> 02:04:26,120
Speaker 2: super great, great people. And yeah, blacktails are super fun.

2406
02:04:26,160 --> 02:04:30,080
Speaker 2: They're not They're not as smart and cagy and difficult

2407
02:04:30,120 --> 02:04:32,760
Speaker 2: as white tails, so they're not nearly as like those

2408
02:04:32,840 --> 02:04:36,000
Speaker 2: Midwest white tails are crazy when it comes to human

2409
02:04:36,080 --> 02:04:38,600
Speaker 2: scent and encroachment and pressure and all that stuff. And

2410
02:04:38,640 --> 02:04:41,480
Speaker 2: they are just super super smart. And everybody that hunt

2411
02:04:41,520 --> 02:04:44,480
Speaker 2: blacktails assumes and it always wants to believe that blacktails

2412
02:04:44,520 --> 02:04:47,560
Speaker 2: are the smartest, most cage just thing. The thing about

2413
02:04:47,560 --> 02:04:51,880
Speaker 2: blacktails is they're hearing is really really good. So the clothing,

2414
02:04:52,080 --> 02:04:54,560
Speaker 2: you know, has to be unbelievably quiet to get your

2415
02:04:54,960 --> 02:04:57,400
Speaker 2: get your bow drawn. And then the other thing is

2416
02:04:57,640 --> 02:05:00,160
Speaker 2: that they just don't come out in the daytime, know,

2417
02:05:00,360 --> 02:05:02,760
Speaker 2: like white tails do. But other than that they are

2418
02:05:03,120 --> 02:05:06,720
Speaker 2: very forgiving, like I could like and I can't hunt

2419
02:05:06,760 --> 02:05:08,920
Speaker 2: the same tree stand in the Midwest, you know, more

2420
02:05:09,000 --> 02:05:12,600
Speaker 2: than two times probably for white tails and it's done,

2421
02:05:12,720 --> 02:05:16,280
Speaker 2: you've burned it probably for the season. But with blacktails,

2422
02:05:16,320 --> 02:05:19,040
Speaker 2: I've I've hunted the same tree stand like seven seven

2423
02:05:19,120 --> 02:05:21,080
Speaker 2: days in a row. So you can get away with

2424
02:05:21,200 --> 02:05:25,080
Speaker 2: murder with with blacktails, you just need you just need

2425
02:05:25,160 --> 02:05:27,960
Speaker 2: them to come out during the day. That's the hardest.

2426
02:05:28,080 --> 02:05:31,320
Speaker 2: That's the lot, that's really the difficult part about them.

2427
02:05:32,040 --> 02:05:35,360
Speaker 5: How do you deal with the scent issue around running

2428
02:05:35,360 --> 02:05:36,240
Speaker 5: a deer decoy?

2429
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:40,520
Speaker 2: Well, so the most important thing is that it's it's

2430
02:05:41,280 --> 02:05:45,920
Speaker 2: been manufactured long long enough and it's aired out long

2431
02:05:46,040 --> 02:05:50,760
Speaker 2: enough since it's been manufactured. So that's that's the biggest thing.

2432
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:53,040
Speaker 2: And then you don't touch it with your hands. So

2433
02:05:53,120 --> 02:05:58,080
Speaker 2: your dear decoy will work. It'll work reasonably good. If

2434
02:05:58,120 --> 02:06:01,520
Speaker 2: you buy one in July and then air it out

2435
02:06:01,800 --> 02:06:04,160
Speaker 2: and everything, it's gonna work good. But it will work.

2436
02:06:04,520 --> 02:06:06,840
Speaker 2: It's like a like a mink box or something. It'll

2437
02:06:07,000 --> 02:06:12,040
Speaker 2: work better every year as it gets older, more earthy, yeah,

2438
02:06:12,200 --> 02:06:15,960
Speaker 2: more earthy and and and scent free and everything with that,

2439
02:06:16,040 --> 02:06:18,280
Speaker 2: and you just don't touch it with uh, don't touch

2440
02:06:18,280 --> 02:06:21,240
Speaker 2: it with your bare hands, and you know, don't don't

2441
02:06:21,400 --> 02:06:23,760
Speaker 2: don't breathe on it, and then don't you don't ever

2442
02:06:23,880 --> 02:06:25,680
Speaker 2: put scent on it. You know, if you want to

2443
02:06:25,760 --> 02:06:28,280
Speaker 2: use any kind of scent, you put it, you know,

2444
02:06:28,520 --> 02:06:30,640
Speaker 2: under the decoy or near the decoy or something like that.

2445
02:06:30,800 --> 02:06:33,680
Speaker 2: But you keep the decoy sent free because if you

2446
02:06:33,760 --> 02:06:37,560
Speaker 2: put scent on it, you know that that'll get kind

2447
02:06:37,600 --> 02:06:39,880
Speaker 2: of rancid over time and stuff. But you also don't

2448
02:06:39,920 --> 02:06:41,960
Speaker 2: put scent all over the ground or anything like that,

2449
02:06:42,080 --> 02:06:44,880
Speaker 2: because then then you can't pull that scent with you

2450
02:06:45,040 --> 02:06:49,320
Speaker 2: when you leave. I mean that That's what's worked for me,

2451
02:06:51,240 --> 02:06:54,000
Speaker 2: is I'll put scent you know, like in a in

2452
02:06:54,080 --> 02:06:58,080
Speaker 2: a bottle or with you know, with cotton or whatever

2453
02:06:58,120 --> 02:07:01,440
Speaker 2: you got to do, and just open it underneath the decoy.

2454
02:07:01,600 --> 02:07:04,600
Speaker 2: That's when I do use scent. It doesn't matter that much,

2455
02:07:04,720 --> 02:07:07,640
Speaker 2: I mean, Or I'll put tarsus, you know, tarsus glands,

2456
02:07:07,920 --> 02:07:10,920
Speaker 2: tarsal glands from a from a buck. That does work

2457
02:07:10,960 --> 02:07:13,840
Speaker 2: at times pretty pretty pretty darn well with black tails.

2458
02:07:15,480 --> 02:07:19,360
Speaker 1: If you were listened to Clay's Bear Grease podcast. No,

2459
02:07:19,840 --> 02:07:21,800
Speaker 1: he had an episode called Deer Stories, and there's a

2460
02:07:21,840 --> 02:07:23,760
Speaker 1: guy that tells a story about shooting the buck and

2461
02:07:23,800 --> 02:07:26,560
Speaker 1: taking the glands off and tying the glands to his ankles,

2462
02:07:27,960 --> 02:07:30,080
Speaker 1: and he gets his ass kicked by a buck.

2463
02:07:30,320 --> 02:07:32,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably wouldn't.

2464
02:07:32,640 --> 02:07:36,120
Speaker 1: Realize this buck is coming down his trail and is

2465
02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:38,920
Speaker 1: coming for him. Oh geez, it's a funny story.

2466
02:07:38,960 --> 02:07:40,360
Speaker 2: Well it could have. That could have been way worse,

2467
02:07:40,400 --> 02:07:43,600
Speaker 2: because that could have been like dough dough in heat scent.

2468
02:07:44,000 --> 02:07:47,600
Speaker 2: You know, like, as long as it the buck just wanted.

2469
02:07:47,360 --> 02:07:51,280
Speaker 1: To kill him, that's not as humiliating.

2470
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:54,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, he can he can.

2471
02:07:54,560 --> 02:07:57,640
Speaker 4: Live, So David, when you're sitting like say, I'm sitting

2472
02:07:57,640 --> 02:07:59,760
Speaker 4: in a tree stand facing a field and I want

2473
02:07:59,800 --> 02:08:02,320
Speaker 4: to put decoy out, how do I place that decoy

2474
02:08:02,440 --> 02:08:03,120
Speaker 4: for the best.

2475
02:08:03,240 --> 02:08:09,800
Speaker 2: Shot, I mean like maybe quartering away and but that

2476
02:08:10,120 --> 02:08:13,280
Speaker 2: just that just depends like a quartering quartering away would

2477
02:08:13,280 --> 02:08:17,200
Speaker 2: be with a dough and and and then possibly quartering

2478
02:08:17,240 --> 02:08:18,080
Speaker 2: two with a buck.

2479
02:08:18,760 --> 02:08:21,760
Speaker 3: But I'll tell you what, right, wind dependent?

2480
02:08:22,760 --> 02:08:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's wind dependent. Yeah, they'll they'll try to they'll

2481
02:08:25,520 --> 02:08:27,920
Speaker 2: try to get down window, try to get down wind

2482
02:08:27,960 --> 02:08:30,600
Speaker 2: of it and stuff, and so with a buck, you know,

2483
02:08:30,720 --> 02:08:36,160
Speaker 2: quartering two works pretty good, but there is no guarantee whatsoever,

2484
02:08:36,480 --> 02:08:40,120
Speaker 2: Like anytime you think that you know how they're going

2485
02:08:40,200 --> 02:08:43,520
Speaker 2: to approach it. Like people, the the idea of quartering

2486
02:08:43,560 --> 02:08:46,400
Speaker 2: two is the idea of behind behind that is that

2487
02:08:46,440 --> 02:08:50,360
Speaker 2: they'll come and come head on. They just don't do that.

2488
02:08:50,600 --> 02:08:53,160
Speaker 2: I mean they don't. They definitely don't do that with

2489
02:08:53,280 --> 02:08:57,200
Speaker 2: any major consistency because the the the way to do

2490
02:08:57,400 --> 02:09:00,520
Speaker 2: damage is to ram one like completely on the on

2491
02:09:00,600 --> 02:09:03,800
Speaker 2: the side in the root cage, and so there's just

2492
02:09:03,920 --> 02:09:08,000
Speaker 2: a lot of deer Decoying is just super fun because

2493
02:09:08,840 --> 02:09:11,600
Speaker 2: it's not a guaranteed thing. There's there's certain things that

2494
02:09:11,680 --> 02:09:13,520
Speaker 2: it does for you, like you can get your bodrawn

2495
02:09:14,320 --> 02:09:20,920
Speaker 2: so easily, like when you're using a buck decoy because

2496
02:09:20,920 --> 02:09:25,880
Speaker 2: they're just so distracted. But there's also the downsides and

2497
02:09:25,960 --> 02:09:28,440
Speaker 2: that is like you're not sure you're gonna gonna get

2498
02:09:28,440 --> 02:09:31,040
Speaker 2: a good shot or whatever. But I think quartering two

2499
02:09:31,200 --> 02:09:33,880
Speaker 2: is probably the best. And that's assuming that you have

2500
02:09:34,040 --> 02:09:35,400
Speaker 2: the wind more or less in your face.

2501
02:09:35,760 --> 02:09:36,120
Speaker 1: Gotcha?

2502
02:09:36,160 --> 02:09:41,360
Speaker 5: Will you hunt them in like woodland, forested terrain or

2503
02:09:41,720 --> 02:09:45,480
Speaker 5: you always sticking to more of an open fuel type

2504
02:09:45,520 --> 02:09:48,680
Speaker 5: place where deer can see it as from far away

2505
02:09:48,720 --> 02:09:49,360
Speaker 5: as possible.

2506
02:09:49,640 --> 02:09:56,280
Speaker 2: So I have I've set up for blacktails in old

2507
02:09:56,360 --> 02:10:01,160
Speaker 2: growth timber, but not successful, not success. I've tried it

2508
02:10:01,320 --> 02:10:06,560
Speaker 2: in the in the woods, but the best successes that

2509
02:10:06,680 --> 02:10:10,280
Speaker 2: I've that I've had and I'm not majorly into deer decoying.

2510
02:10:10,360 --> 02:10:13,360
Speaker 2: I will be now that now that we have a dough,

2511
02:10:15,200 --> 02:10:17,400
Speaker 2: But the best successes that I have have been on

2512
02:10:17,480 --> 02:10:20,880
Speaker 2: the edge of a where ag meets meets timber. And

2513
02:10:21,280 --> 02:10:24,800
Speaker 2: that's the same with blacktails too. Meadowee Meadowee areas and stuff.

2514
02:10:24,880 --> 02:10:28,040
Speaker 2: I'm old old a man and orchard that I hunt.

2515
02:10:28,480 --> 02:10:32,160
Speaker 2: I've had success with the blacktail decoy there. But with

2516
02:10:32,320 --> 02:10:35,360
Speaker 2: white tails, I mean I've had it to where they're

2517
02:10:35,400 --> 02:10:37,160
Speaker 2: coming along through the woods and all of a sudden

2518
02:10:37,160 --> 02:10:38,440
Speaker 2: they see it and they kind of it kind of

2519
02:10:39,160 --> 02:10:41,680
Speaker 2: kind of startles them a little bit, because yeah, I mean,

2520
02:10:41,720 --> 02:10:45,720
Speaker 2: it's just I mean, it's it's just like we were

2521
02:10:45,720 --> 02:10:48,160
Speaker 2: talking about with the antelope blind and stuff. It's just

2522
02:10:48,240 --> 02:10:50,839
Speaker 2: better if they can see it from a distance away.

2523
02:10:51,120 --> 02:10:53,640
Speaker 1: But have you used it in conjunction with rattling where

2524
02:10:53,680 --> 02:10:56,400
Speaker 1: they're expecting to find something standing there. That's what I

2525
02:10:56,480 --> 02:10:59,920
Speaker 1: feel like the real value would be is he's coming in,

2526
02:11:00,480 --> 02:11:01,920
Speaker 1: but then all of a sudden like oh there it is.

2527
02:11:02,480 --> 02:11:07,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I have but like my gosh, one

2528
02:11:07,080 --> 02:11:09,680
Speaker 2: of my hunting partners justin Kasmar, he gets so mad

2529
02:11:09,720 --> 02:11:12,480
Speaker 2: at me because I'll go sometimes the whole season without rattling.

2530
02:11:12,640 --> 02:11:14,920
Speaker 2: Rattling is super fun. And I've rattled in some nice

2531
02:11:14,960 --> 02:11:17,280
Speaker 2: bucks and shot some with my bow in the in

2532
02:11:17,320 --> 02:11:22,920
Speaker 2: the upper Clackamus and that's public land blacktails. But I

2533
02:11:23,160 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 2: like now that I'm hunting more down in the valley,

2534
02:11:27,320 --> 02:11:30,560
Speaker 2: I treat all my goose hunting has taught me that everything,

2535
02:11:31,080 --> 02:11:34,760
Speaker 2: everything about goose hunting is not educating animals. That's what

2536
02:11:34,920 --> 02:11:37,880
Speaker 2: goose hunting. That's still that's the trick of the whole thing.

2537
02:11:37,960 --> 02:11:40,920
Speaker 2: And so so now that's affected all my other hunting.

2538
02:11:40,960 --> 02:11:44,160
Speaker 2: So that's why I mean, I've like on elk hunting,

2539
02:11:44,200 --> 02:11:46,440
Speaker 2: I've shot some big bulls and I've even got some

2540
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:49,720
Speaker 2: you know, by by calling and stuff. But I've got

2541
02:11:50,080 --> 02:11:52,160
Speaker 2: more auditory stand on ground, bline and everything like that,

2542
02:11:52,320 --> 02:11:54,360
Speaker 2: like all, and I would be a way better elk

2543
02:11:54,440 --> 02:11:58,560
Speaker 2: hunter if I was willing to move into those those

2544
02:11:58,640 --> 02:12:01,840
Speaker 2: areas and move where I need to. But I'm just

2545
02:12:02,000 --> 02:12:04,840
Speaker 2: so about staying on the perimeter, staying out of those

2546
02:12:05,000 --> 02:12:08,840
Speaker 2: creepy you know Heidi holes, out of those bedrooms, and

2547
02:12:09,480 --> 02:12:12,919
Speaker 2: giving them all kinds of space and all kinds of refuge.

2548
02:12:12,960 --> 02:12:15,480
Speaker 2: Give him the mornings, give him, give them tons of

2549
02:12:15,520 --> 02:12:18,760
Speaker 2: space and the the It bites me in the ass

2550
02:12:18,800 --> 02:12:22,760
Speaker 2: at times, for sure. But what what I love about

2551
02:12:22,800 --> 02:12:26,680
Speaker 2: it is if you don't if you don't kill one,

2552
02:12:27,000 --> 02:12:28,960
Speaker 2: you have the next day and the next day and

2553
02:12:29,040 --> 02:12:30,080
Speaker 2: the next day and the next day.

2554
02:12:30,400 --> 02:12:32,800
Speaker 1: You should write a hunting book like Dunk and Gil

2555
02:12:32,880 --> 02:12:33,920
Speaker 1: Chris book Hunt High.

2556
02:12:35,800 --> 02:12:37,560
Speaker 2: I've never knowing that.

2557
02:12:37,680 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 1: Well I shouldn't say that, but anyway, what.

2558
02:12:39,800 --> 02:12:40,520
Speaker 6: Would it be called?

2559
02:12:42,840 --> 02:12:43,560
Speaker 2: Hunt the Perimeter?

2560
02:12:44,440 --> 02:12:47,320
Speaker 1: Well, see, the thing about Hunt High is just so

2561
02:12:47,440 --> 02:12:50,000
Speaker 1: it's a lifelong hunter and it's just all these like

2562
02:12:50,200 --> 02:12:58,560
Speaker 1: really just general pieces of information. One minute he's talking

2563
02:12:58,560 --> 02:13:00,400
Speaker 1: about is can't how he likes there's that up as

2564
02:13:00,440 --> 02:13:02,040
Speaker 1: camp stove next to me. He's talking about the way

2565
02:13:02,120 --> 02:13:06,920
Speaker 1: mountain goats act. But just it's just gold all through

2566
02:13:07,000 --> 02:13:09,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing, just random. He kind of accidentally writes,

2567
02:13:10,000 --> 02:13:13,840
Speaker 1: like hemingway, it just it's just a page upon page

2568
02:13:13,880 --> 02:13:19,400
Speaker 1: of just gold ruminations from a fairy seasoned hunter and

2569
02:13:19,480 --> 02:13:20,920
Speaker 1: a lot of stuff. You're like, I haven't thought about

2570
02:13:20,960 --> 02:13:22,880
Speaker 1: that that way before. I haven't thought about that way before.

2571
02:13:23,360 --> 02:13:24,840
Speaker 1: You know, you got a lot of that stuff laid

2572
02:13:24,920 --> 02:13:25,200
Speaker 1: up in you.

2573
02:13:25,360 --> 02:13:26,760
Speaker 2: I want to read it. I want to read that.

2574
02:13:27,480 --> 02:13:28,480
Speaker 1: What was funny? Man is?

2575
02:13:29,120 --> 02:13:29,520
Speaker 2: Yeah? Good?

2576
02:13:29,640 --> 02:13:31,720
Speaker 1: He's dead, So check this out. He's dead and he's

2577
02:13:31,720 --> 02:13:34,920
Speaker 1: self published these books. And and when I started talking

2578
02:13:34,960 --> 02:13:36,800
Speaker 1: about and I always put him on like favorite book

2579
02:13:36,840 --> 02:13:39,520
Speaker 1: lists and all that huh high. And it got to

2580
02:13:39,560 --> 02:13:40,840
Speaker 1: me where if you wanted to buy one, it was

2581
02:13:41,040 --> 02:13:44,839
Speaker 1: hundreds of dollars because we'd driven a lot of interest.

2582
02:13:45,120 --> 02:13:47,120
Speaker 1: One day I lent mine to someone and someone took

2583
02:13:47,160 --> 02:13:49,640
Speaker 1: it and never gave it back. So I went online

2584
02:13:49,680 --> 02:13:52,560
Speaker 1: and bought one for one hundred bucks from some dude

2585
02:13:53,000 --> 02:13:57,160
Speaker 1: in Texas. And I just buy it on Amazon unused books,

2586
02:13:57,520 --> 02:13:59,800
Speaker 1: and it comes with a sticky note on it that says, dude,

2587
02:13:59,840 --> 02:14:01,160
Speaker 1: you're the reason I bought this book.

2588
02:14:01,960 --> 02:14:07,960
Speaker 2: Wow, that's cool. Yeah that worth worth. Matthewsons has lent

2589
02:14:08,040 --> 02:14:11,120
Speaker 2: me a couple of books about the early Martin Trappers

2590
02:14:11,800 --> 02:14:16,320
Speaker 2: and Wayne Nigs and Pouli Rossboro and Martin I have

2591
02:14:16,520 --> 02:14:19,280
Speaker 2: known is one of them. And it's the same thing.

2592
02:14:19,360 --> 02:14:21,880
Speaker 2: You go to try to find those books like Worth

2593
02:14:22,000 --> 02:14:24,200
Speaker 2: lent me one of them and gave me he gave

2594
02:14:24,280 --> 02:14:27,160
Speaker 2: me the other. But yeah, trying to find those books

2595
02:14:27,200 --> 02:14:31,640
Speaker 2: on Amazon U this is next time possible. But I

2596
02:14:31,720 --> 02:14:33,920
Speaker 2: sure would like to get more and more copies. Those

2597
02:14:34,000 --> 02:14:35,400
Speaker 2: books are incredible.

2598
02:14:36,120 --> 02:14:37,840
Speaker 1: Let me hit you with one last one before we end.

2599
02:14:41,040 --> 02:14:43,880
Speaker 1: If you not place in Turkey decoys properly, do you

2600
02:14:43,920 --> 02:14:48,640
Speaker 1: think you'd be doing more damage than than good? Meaning

2601
02:14:48,720 --> 02:14:51,200
Speaker 1: you got a gobbler, he's coming in right, Can you

2602
02:14:51,280 --> 02:14:52,920
Speaker 1: ever have it be that it'd be just better not

2603
02:14:53,040 --> 02:14:55,080
Speaker 1: even to use the damn thing than to have it

2604
02:14:55,200 --> 02:14:56,400
Speaker 1: set the way you have it set.

2605
02:14:56,640 --> 02:14:59,760
Speaker 2: You mean because because he's going to be searching and covering.

2606
02:15:00,320 --> 02:15:02,720
Speaker 5: Do you know, because you would put your decoy out

2607
02:15:02,800 --> 02:15:04,680
Speaker 5: in such a manner or in such a pose and

2608
02:15:05,280 --> 02:15:08,000
Speaker 5: position that when he sees it, he's like, what that's

2609
02:15:08,040 --> 02:15:09,600
Speaker 5: not what that ends supposed to be doing. I'm out

2610
02:15:09,600 --> 02:15:09,840
Speaker 5: of here.

2611
02:15:10,680 --> 02:15:11,680
Speaker 2: Oh, let me let me.

2612
02:15:11,680 --> 02:15:15,920
Speaker 1: Phrase it a different way. How important is placement over

2613
02:15:16,160 --> 02:15:17,760
Speaker 1: just having the presence be there?

2614
02:15:18,600 --> 02:15:23,000
Speaker 2: Well, I've only ever done it the right way, so no,

2615
02:15:23,720 --> 02:15:29,120
Speaker 2: I don't. I don't know. I mean, I just you know,

2616
02:15:29,240 --> 02:15:32,840
Speaker 2: you can. You can screw up goose decoys really bad,

2617
02:15:33,080 --> 02:15:37,440
Speaker 2: really bad because yeah placement. Yeah, you can have them

2618
02:15:37,480 --> 02:15:40,320
Speaker 2: all face into the wind. You can have them crooked

2619
02:15:40,400 --> 02:15:43,560
Speaker 2: on their steaks, you can have them spread way too

2620
02:15:43,640 --> 02:15:46,520
Speaker 2: far apart. And people do all of those things all

2621
02:15:46,560 --> 02:15:49,560
Speaker 2: the time, and it can make a huge, huge, huge difference.

2622
02:15:50,120 --> 02:15:53,360
Speaker 2: On turkeys. I mean, I haven't really found a really

2623
02:15:53,520 --> 02:15:56,240
Speaker 2: wrong way. I I haven't seen any spreads from our

2624
02:15:56,920 --> 02:15:59,160
Speaker 2: from our customers where I looked at it and just went,

2625
02:15:59,720 --> 02:16:05,040
Speaker 2: you know, like I I think you know, because turkeys

2626
02:16:05,080 --> 02:16:11,200
Speaker 2: are they're they're a little different than geese, and I

2627
02:16:11,360 --> 02:16:14,000
Speaker 2: I'm sure there is a wrong way to do it, but.

2628
02:16:14,360 --> 02:16:18,280
Speaker 1: There's not as sensitive safe to say just basically what

2629
02:16:18,320 --> 02:16:20,920
Speaker 1: you're telling me. It's not as sensitive as waterfoul placement.

2630
02:16:21,040 --> 02:16:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

2631
02:16:22,480 --> 02:16:24,360
Speaker 1: I mean you think it's as an end, But you

2632
02:16:24,400 --> 02:16:26,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't say the same thing about deer. You think there

2633
02:16:26,480 --> 02:16:29,120
Speaker 1: is a you found that there is like the wrong

2634
02:16:29,240 --> 02:16:33,680
Speaker 1: place and wrong way to set deer decoys. Well, I

2635
02:16:33,760 --> 02:16:35,279
Speaker 1: mean you don't like them in timber.

2636
02:16:35,800 --> 02:16:38,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't like them in timber, but I probably

2637
02:16:38,720 --> 02:16:42,480
Speaker 2: need to experiment more on that and stuff. So I

2638
02:16:42,560 --> 02:16:46,200
Speaker 2: wouldn't consider myself to be an authority on that. And

2639
02:16:46,320 --> 02:16:51,760
Speaker 2: I like to experiment a lot. And and the animals

2640
02:16:51,879 --> 02:16:55,920
Speaker 2: always surprise me. You know. Every time I think that

2641
02:16:56,000 --> 02:17:00,640
Speaker 2: there's a rule, they the animals show me otherwise.

2642
02:17:02,720 --> 02:17:03,200
Speaker 6: I know that.

2643
02:17:03,680 --> 02:17:07,560
Speaker 2: You know, there's times there's times when using a strutter

2644
02:17:08,760 --> 02:17:13,640
Speaker 2: like a like let's see, i'd say there's times when

2645
02:17:13,760 --> 02:17:16,160
Speaker 2: using hens only has helped me make some good shots

2646
02:17:16,280 --> 02:17:19,560
Speaker 2: with my bow because the birds came in strutting. And

2647
02:17:19,640 --> 02:17:23,360
Speaker 2: then there's times when when using uh, you know, a

2648
02:17:23,400 --> 02:17:28,959
Speaker 2: gobbler decoys has made me miss some pretty important birds

2649
02:17:29,000 --> 02:17:30,560
Speaker 2: like that would have really meant a lot to me.

2650
02:17:31,640 --> 02:17:34,800
Speaker 2: And I couldn't get my boat my bow drawn, or

2651
02:17:34,840 --> 02:17:37,560
Speaker 2: I couldn't came hot on it came into hot. They'll

2652
02:17:37,600 --> 02:17:40,160
Speaker 2: also come in and just put off, and you're thinking

2653
02:17:40,240 --> 02:17:42,280
Speaker 2: what I do wrong? And after a while, I didn't

2654
02:17:42,280 --> 02:17:44,520
Speaker 2: do anything wrong. He saw that thing and didn't like it.

2655
02:17:45,720 --> 02:17:50,039
Speaker 1: You know, idea that happens, man, I know it does.

2656
02:17:50,240 --> 02:17:52,560
Speaker 3: I know I surprised him before. Where they come over,

2657
02:17:52,720 --> 02:17:55,840
Speaker 3: you have your decoy up, They come over a little

2658
02:17:56,280 --> 02:17:59,800
Speaker 3: knoll or something too close. They see that they don't

2659
02:17:59,800 --> 02:18:00,840
Speaker 3: feel like duking it out.

2660
02:18:01,040 --> 02:18:03,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, totally. Well. And I've had I've had

2661
02:18:03,200 --> 02:18:07,280
Speaker 2: blacktail bucksty that where they stepped out one hundred yards

2662
02:18:07,320 --> 02:18:09,920
Speaker 2: away and saw the decoy and I was just like,

2663
02:18:10,040 --> 02:18:12,160
Speaker 2: oh my god, it's it's happening. And I'm getting back,

2664
02:18:12,160 --> 02:18:14,480
Speaker 2: putting my release on and everything, and I'm all excited,

2665
02:18:14,520 --> 02:18:16,760
Speaker 2: and I'm just waiting and waiting and waiting, and I

2666
02:18:16,840 --> 02:18:19,600
Speaker 2: look and I look and expecting him to be, you know,

2667
02:18:19,720 --> 02:18:23,039
Speaker 2: real close, and now he's high high tailing it away. Definitely.

2668
02:18:23,480 --> 02:18:25,160
Speaker 1: I mean, you see a lot of them plow in

2669
02:18:26,000 --> 02:18:28,880
Speaker 1: to beat that thing to death. But it does happen

2670
02:18:28,920 --> 02:18:31,400
Speaker 1: where they put off and they, like I used to

2671
02:18:31,400 --> 02:18:33,800
Speaker 1: think in Neville Ice, think that we spooked that bird.

2672
02:18:33,959 --> 02:18:36,840
Speaker 1: Someone moves, someone spooked that bird. But the turkey bile

2673
02:18:37,000 --> 02:18:40,800
Speaker 1: just Robert Abernathy, who's a very experienced decoy, yeah, has

2674
02:18:40,840 --> 02:18:42,080
Speaker 1: been decoying for a long time.

2675
02:18:42,280 --> 02:18:42,480
Speaker 2: Yep.

2676
02:18:42,600 --> 02:18:45,080
Speaker 1: He's convinced too. He says, I think sometimes those birds

2677
02:18:45,120 --> 02:18:49,440
Speaker 1: come in, they see that, they see that gobbler, and

2678
02:18:49,520 --> 02:18:52,280
Speaker 1: they don't like it well, and they're putting off. They're

2679
02:18:52,320 --> 02:18:55,080
Speaker 1: putting off or just ghosting out because of that presence.

2680
02:18:55,160 --> 02:18:56,760
Speaker 1: He still uses it, but he says that's the thing

2681
02:18:56,800 --> 02:18:57,199
Speaker 1: that happens.

2682
02:18:57,280 --> 02:18:59,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree one hundred percent. And also you just

2683
02:18:59,800 --> 02:19:03,080
Speaker 2: never know what what that decoy represents. It could be

2684
02:19:03,400 --> 02:19:05,880
Speaker 2: could represent a bird that he's already familiar with and

2685
02:19:06,080 --> 02:19:11,039
Speaker 2: is already you know, uh lower lower on the hierarchy level.

2686
02:19:11,240 --> 02:19:13,360
Speaker 1: Then like he hears a hen, he comes in and

2687
02:19:13,400 --> 02:19:16,520
Speaker 1: be like, daw damn it, Gobbler's already here, Billy's here.

2688
02:19:18,360 --> 02:19:18,800
Speaker 1: Last week.

2689
02:19:19,959 --> 02:19:22,959
Speaker 2: My answer to that is went in doubt. Well, for one,

2690
02:19:23,080 --> 02:19:24,960
Speaker 2: you know, you use a lot of hens and a

2691
02:19:25,040 --> 02:19:28,760
Speaker 2: lot of like praining hens and feeding hens. That always

2692
02:19:28,959 --> 02:19:31,600
Speaker 2: looks makes everything look you know, relaxed and stuff. And

2693
02:19:31,680 --> 02:19:33,960
Speaker 2: even if there's a gobbler there. And then also you know,

2694
02:19:34,760 --> 02:19:39,080
Speaker 2: like our three quarter strut jake, which is actually a

2695
02:19:39,120 --> 02:19:41,480
Speaker 2: half strut jake and somehow it got named a three

2696
02:19:41,520 --> 02:19:45,840
Speaker 2: quarter shrut jake. But that's for another day. But but

2697
02:19:46,000 --> 02:19:47,840
Speaker 2: that's a good decoy to use with a bunch of

2698
02:19:47,920 --> 02:19:52,600
Speaker 2: hens because it looks a little less intimidating and and

2699
02:19:52,920 --> 02:19:55,680
Speaker 2: it just looks like, well, I mean, I've had so

2700
02:19:55,840 --> 02:19:58,920
Speaker 2: many times when uh gobblers will come in that I

2701
02:19:59,080 --> 02:20:01,640
Speaker 2: know are even a mature tom that I know is

2702
02:20:01,720 --> 02:20:05,040
Speaker 2: not really a dominant bird. And even with even with

2703
02:20:05,200 --> 02:20:08,920
Speaker 2: the jake there, they just come in slow enough and

2704
02:20:09,040 --> 02:20:11,760
Speaker 2: then before I know, they're mounting one of the one

2705
02:20:11,800 --> 02:20:15,120
Speaker 2: of the decoys. And you can also put a submissive

2706
02:20:15,160 --> 02:20:18,560
Speaker 2: Hannah distance away, like so he's not necessarily standing over

2707
02:20:18,600 --> 02:20:20,600
Speaker 2: her and stuff. So it feels like there's always a

2708
02:20:20,640 --> 02:20:23,959
Speaker 2: combination that will give you the best chance. But there's

2709
02:20:23,959 --> 02:20:27,400
Speaker 2: always going to be situations for just you've slat and I'm.

2710
02:20:27,240 --> 02:20:31,280
Speaker 1: Glad our body guys Uck's who's very seasoned turkey hunter.

2711
02:20:32,959 --> 02:20:34,800
Speaker 1: He has a little rule. He like, he's not the

2712
02:20:34,879 --> 02:20:36,560
Speaker 1: kind of guy that believes that everything is, you know,

2713
02:20:36,680 --> 02:20:38,520
Speaker 1: one way or the other. But he has a little

2714
02:20:38,560 --> 02:20:40,520
Speaker 1: rule for himself. He don't set a male decoy in

2715
02:20:40,560 --> 02:20:43,960
Speaker 1: the evening because he's like, they're just not in that mood.

2716
02:20:44,000 --> 02:20:46,200
Speaker 1: I don't think. Yeah, he goes, you're just less like

2717
02:20:46,400 --> 02:20:48,640
Speaker 1: he finds in the evening. You're less likely to get

2718
02:20:48,680 --> 02:20:52,440
Speaker 1: that I'm gonna kick that thing's ass response in the

2719
02:20:52,600 --> 02:20:54,880
Speaker 1: evening and you're more likely to push him off. And

2720
02:20:54,959 --> 02:20:57,760
Speaker 1: he likes hens in the evening because they're just more mingly.

2721
02:20:58,760 --> 02:21:00,600
Speaker 1: You know, he might want to find them to the

2722
02:21:00,720 --> 02:21:03,400
Speaker 1: roost whatever. But they're not wanting to deal with the

2723
02:21:03,400 --> 02:21:06,040
Speaker 1: big old strutter at night. Yeah, that's just his take

2724
02:21:06,120 --> 02:21:06,520
Speaker 1: on it. Right.

2725
02:21:06,840 --> 02:21:10,560
Speaker 2: So I have killed some some big mature toms, like

2726
02:21:10,800 --> 02:21:13,360
Speaker 2: where it was like literally in the last five minutes

2727
02:21:13,400 --> 02:21:17,160
Speaker 2: of shooting time, and and I've had them go one

2728
02:21:17,200 --> 02:21:18,960
Speaker 2: hundred yards out of their way to come up to

2729
02:21:19,000 --> 02:21:21,600
Speaker 2: the decoys. But the lesson that I've learned, and I've

2730
02:21:21,640 --> 02:21:25,520
Speaker 2: got burned multiple times doing it, is they'll come up

2731
02:21:25,600 --> 02:21:28,280
Speaker 2: and they'll jump on They'll they'll jump at the decoy

2732
02:21:28,959 --> 02:21:31,760
Speaker 2: one time and then I'm like thinking, Okay, here we go.

2733
02:21:31,879 --> 02:21:34,240
Speaker 2: It's gonna it's just gonna thrash the decoy for the

2734
02:21:34,320 --> 02:21:37,760
Speaker 2: longest time and I'm gonna have this perfect shot. They'll

2735
02:21:37,800 --> 02:21:39,960
Speaker 2: jump on the decoy one time and they're about done.

2736
02:21:40,879 --> 02:21:43,120
Speaker 2: That's it. Like, it's just I agree with without one

2737
02:21:43,200 --> 02:21:46,480
Speaker 2: hundred percent. And that's if they even jump at the decoy.

2738
02:21:46,560 --> 02:21:49,800
Speaker 2: Sometimes they'll come up, but I mean there's in the evening, Yeah,

2739
02:21:49,879 --> 02:21:52,160
Speaker 2: in the evenings, late at night, it's just and that's

2740
02:21:52,480 --> 02:21:55,520
Speaker 2: only when it's a if there is a if there's

2741
02:21:55,560 --> 02:21:58,280
Speaker 2: a tom that is the absolute boss and he's got

2742
02:21:58,360 --> 02:22:00,760
Speaker 2: lots of hens and he's gonna go up to roost

2743
02:22:01,280 --> 02:22:04,480
Speaker 2: and he sees uh, he sees a strutter with hens.

2744
02:22:05,120 --> 02:22:07,000
Speaker 2: A lot of times they will come and check it out,

2745
02:22:07,080 --> 02:22:10,520
Speaker 2: but they're not gonna be aggressive. And I've I've killed

2746
02:22:10,560 --> 02:22:12,600
Speaker 2: some nice ones with my bow at real close range

2747
02:22:12,879 --> 02:22:19,120
Speaker 2: that that way. But I've learned the hard way that

2748
02:22:19,280 --> 02:22:22,920
Speaker 2: you don't have much time, you better shoot. You better shoot,

2749
02:22:23,040 --> 02:22:26,720
Speaker 2: like as he's approaching the decoy, because you're not gonna

2750
02:22:26,760 --> 02:22:29,120
Speaker 2: get get him. I've never had one just thrash the

2751
02:22:29,160 --> 02:22:31,480
Speaker 2: decoy like crazy, like they do and like midmorn.

2752
02:22:31,560 --> 02:22:33,280
Speaker 1: I can't get in your head that like I'm gonna

2753
02:22:33,280 --> 02:22:37,920
Speaker 1: have a big show and then sometime later shoot him. Yeah, yeah, yep,

2754
02:22:38,160 --> 02:22:42,000
Speaker 1: that's the thing I still do hunting turkeys is now

2755
02:22:42,080 --> 02:22:44,360
Speaker 1: and then maybe not. But I usually when I get

2756
02:22:44,400 --> 02:22:45,200
Speaker 1: a shot, I take it.

2757
02:22:45,920 --> 02:22:46,120
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2758
02:22:46,760 --> 02:22:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, even though you will see where you know,

2759
02:22:49,160 --> 02:22:50,880
Speaker 1: they come in and interact with the decoy for a

2760
02:22:50,920 --> 02:22:53,200
Speaker 1: long time. Like if there's the one I want and

2761
02:22:53,320 --> 02:22:56,200
Speaker 1: I get a shot, I'm shooting.

2762
02:22:56,360 --> 02:22:57,440
Speaker 2: Yeah you know what I mean.

2763
02:22:57,680 --> 02:23:00,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just rather than expecting that it's gonna be

2764
02:23:00,920 --> 02:23:05,800
Speaker 1: this crazy you know, fight and breeding decoys and all

2765
02:23:05,840 --> 02:23:06,480
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff.

2766
02:23:06,680 --> 02:23:08,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, and some of that. It's just it's

2767
02:23:08,600 --> 02:23:11,360
Speaker 2: just so weird. Like I mean, and Brad and I

2768
02:23:11,400 --> 02:23:15,560
Speaker 2: have joked about like what what if humans did exactly

2769
02:23:15,640 --> 02:23:18,080
Speaker 2: the things that turkeys has done, because we've had we've

2770
02:23:18,120 --> 02:23:20,960
Speaker 2: had times when this this, this whole flock comes in

2771
02:23:22,120 --> 02:23:25,440
Speaker 2: and there will be I mean, they're like humping the

2772
02:23:25,520 --> 02:23:28,720
Speaker 2: decoys and they're fighting the decoys, and they're fighting each other,

2773
02:23:28,800 --> 02:23:31,520
Speaker 2: and they're humping each other and and it's like some

2774
02:23:31,640 --> 02:23:35,080
Speaker 2: of this stuff. And then we'll shoot one and sometimes

2775
02:23:35,200 --> 02:23:38,760
Speaker 2: we'll use like a Magnus bullhead or and it just

2776
02:23:38,879 --> 02:23:44,440
Speaker 2: shoots there to decapitates them instantly, and we feel like

2777
02:23:44,920 --> 02:23:47,280
Speaker 2: sometimes that's a good way to get a quick, clean kill.

2778
02:23:47,680 --> 02:23:50,240
Speaker 2: And then like this this turkey's laying there with no

2779
02:23:50,400 --> 02:23:52,440
Speaker 2: head and it's flopping around and other ones are coming

2780
02:23:52,480 --> 02:23:54,640
Speaker 2: in and jumping on top of it and trying to

2781
02:23:54,720 --> 02:23:58,400
Speaker 2: fight it, and and it's just like it's just so bizarre.

2782
02:23:58,760 --> 02:24:01,520
Speaker 1: I got some bars I could remember that that might

2783
02:24:01,560 --> 02:24:03,200
Speaker 1: have been a little bit of the groove, but that's

2784
02:24:03,200 --> 02:24:06,160
Speaker 1: about it. Man. Yeah, it is way way different than folks.

2785
02:24:06,600 --> 02:24:07,280
Speaker 1: And they can fly.

2786
02:24:10,000 --> 02:24:11,960
Speaker 2: I had a blacktail buck a few years ago that

2787
02:24:13,320 --> 02:24:15,080
Speaker 2: came in and gave me a really good shot, and

2788
02:24:15,200 --> 02:24:18,080
Speaker 2: I double belonged him and he went short distance and

2789
02:24:18,200 --> 02:24:21,600
Speaker 2: betted down, and five minutes later a nice big blacktail

2790
02:24:21,640 --> 02:24:26,400
Speaker 2: buck came in and and just went right over to that.

2791
02:24:26,640 --> 02:24:29,000
Speaker 2: He just went he just knew right where that buck was,

2792
02:24:29,120 --> 02:24:31,440
Speaker 2: just by scent really and kicked him up out of

2793
02:24:31,520 --> 02:24:34,200
Speaker 2: his bed and what Yeah, kicked him up out of

2794
02:24:34,240 --> 02:24:36,120
Speaker 2: his bed, and then he went and bedded down it

2795
02:24:36,240 --> 02:24:37,960
Speaker 2: down again, and he went and kicked him up out

2796
02:24:37,959 --> 02:24:39,200
Speaker 2: of his bed again, and I was like, I don't

2797
02:24:39,200 --> 02:24:42,880
Speaker 2: know what to do. And so yeah, there's there's a

2798
02:24:42,959 --> 02:24:46,880
Speaker 2: lot of strange things that happened in nature, and yeah,

2799
02:24:46,920 --> 02:24:49,720
Speaker 2: I agree like that show. You know, it's like some

2800
02:24:49,920 --> 02:24:52,680
Speaker 2: shows are better than others, Like a big grind of geese.

2801
02:24:52,720 --> 02:24:55,640
Speaker 2: That's a really pretty show and it's really really neat

2802
02:24:55,959 --> 02:24:58,440
Speaker 2: thing and it's worthwhile and if you don't shoot at all,

2803
02:24:58,480 --> 02:25:01,400
Speaker 2: like that's just super fun and it's a totally successful day.

2804
02:25:02,160 --> 02:25:05,920
Speaker 2: But you know, when turkeys come in, I agree, if

2805
02:25:05,959 --> 02:25:08,400
Speaker 2: you get a good, quick, clean kill, you know that's

2806
02:25:08,520 --> 02:25:11,720
Speaker 2: and you're there to kill one, and you know it's

2807
02:25:11,720 --> 02:25:13,680
Speaker 2: like you take take take the shot. You don't have

2808
02:25:13,760 --> 02:25:17,320
Speaker 2: to necessarily see him, like beating up a decoy for

2809
02:25:17,360 --> 02:25:17,800
Speaker 2: an hour.

2810
02:25:18,080 --> 02:25:22,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know our buddy Parker Hall. He thinks that

2811
02:25:22,400 --> 02:25:24,200
Speaker 1: if you kill a turkey over a decoy, you go

2812
02:25:24,320 --> 02:25:26,840
Speaker 1: to Hell, which makes me wonder, where's the guy that

2813
02:25:26,920 --> 02:25:28,320
Speaker 1: makes turkey decoys end up?

2814
02:25:28,440 --> 02:25:31,320
Speaker 2: Park Special Place?

2815
02:25:31,520 --> 02:25:34,560
Speaker 1: They got a real hot corner in the basement.

2816
02:25:35,480 --> 02:25:38,240
Speaker 2: Now it's I've had say that too.

2817
02:25:38,360 --> 02:25:40,760
Speaker 1: They that would be maybe that's Dave's book of hunting

2818
02:25:40,800 --> 02:25:46,240
Speaker 1: tidbits called Hell's Basement in the old days. In the

2819
02:25:46,240 --> 02:25:48,560
Speaker 1: old days, we would have named this episode Hell's Basement.

2820
02:25:48,760 --> 02:25:52,400
Speaker 5: Jay Scott's ripping what little Harry has left out here,

2821
02:25:52,440 --> 02:25:55,160
Speaker 5: and you say you just let him, you know, shoot

2822
02:25:55,200 --> 02:25:57,600
Speaker 5: him as you as soon as you can, because he

2823
02:25:57,720 --> 02:25:59,680
Speaker 5: likes to him he likes to sit there and watch

2824
02:25:59,760 --> 02:26:00,640
Speaker 5: the Yeah.

2825
02:26:00,840 --> 02:26:02,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, he likes to get him with me.

2826
02:26:02,720 --> 02:26:03,840
Speaker 5: He enjoys the show.

2827
02:26:04,800 --> 02:26:07,880
Speaker 1: I like to get him coming, all right, Dave Smith,

2828
02:26:07,920 --> 02:26:10,240
Speaker 1: thanks for coming on, man, thanks for having me. I

2829
02:26:10,400 --> 02:26:13,120
Speaker 1: know who told me you don't do you don't do podcasts,

2830
02:26:13,280 --> 02:26:15,760
Speaker 1: may be really eager to have you on. Yeah, you know,

2831
02:26:15,959 --> 02:26:17,560
Speaker 1: the guys that really want to do them to make

2832
02:26:17,640 --> 02:26:18,080
Speaker 1: me leary.

2833
02:26:19,120 --> 02:26:21,520
Speaker 2: Now, the people that I work with are probably surprise

2834
02:26:21,600 --> 02:26:23,640
Speaker 2: that I even you know, agreed to it, but I

2835
02:26:23,879 --> 02:26:27,040
Speaker 2: just you know, things have changed now and I just

2836
02:26:27,160 --> 02:26:29,840
Speaker 2: want to be as cooperative and helpful as possible.

2837
02:26:30,000 --> 02:26:35,400
Speaker 5: So well, listen, you did such a good job. I've

2838
02:26:35,400 --> 02:26:38,320
Speaker 5: already told Karin and put you back on the put

2839
02:26:38,360 --> 02:26:39,480
Speaker 5: you on the returning guest.

2840
02:26:39,680 --> 02:26:41,840
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you got to join the all timers, man.

2841
02:26:41,760 --> 02:26:45,920
Speaker 2: You know, bring them, Bring Brad Brad Cochran and Mike Callian,

2842
02:26:46,560 --> 02:26:50,640
Speaker 2: Greg Hogan, Scott Sprucker, those guys. I'm not kidding they

2843
02:26:51,120 --> 02:26:53,840
Speaker 2: they have a lot of information. They're super fun, fun guys.

2844
02:26:53,879 --> 02:26:55,920
Speaker 1: And next time we next time you guys, I want

2845
02:26:55,959 --> 02:26:58,240
Speaker 1: you to bring your whole team. Okay, we're just gonna

2846
02:26:58,240 --> 02:26:59,680
Speaker 1: do where they got to think. We used to do

2847
02:26:59,760 --> 02:27:02,440
Speaker 1: these things called hot tip offs, where it was like

2848
02:27:02,480 --> 02:27:05,360
Speaker 1: a showdown of hot tips. We should revitalize hot tip off.

2849
02:27:05,480 --> 02:27:08,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, I was watching something the other day. I was

2850
02:27:08,480 --> 02:27:12,440
Speaker 5: watching yesterday vitalizing him right now on the website.

2851
02:27:12,480 --> 02:27:14,840
Speaker 1: That's great, So hot tip off, you have a competition

2852
02:27:14,959 --> 02:27:17,760
Speaker 1: who's got the hottest tip. You bring all your crew

2853
02:27:17,840 --> 02:27:20,680
Speaker 1: in and you guys could have an hour long hot

2854
02:27:20,760 --> 02:27:23,680
Speaker 1: tip off or just goes around the table and then

2855
02:27:23,720 --> 02:27:27,400
Speaker 1: we'll score it and we'll wind up with a winner out.

2856
02:27:27,280 --> 02:27:30,520
Speaker 2: Of the hole just goes round and round and round

2857
02:27:30,560 --> 02:27:31,119
Speaker 2: and round.

2858
02:27:31,000 --> 02:27:33,599
Speaker 1: And then we'll score the whole performance.

2859
02:27:34,600 --> 02:27:35,800
Speaker 5: How good are you in the kitchen?

2860
02:27:35,840 --> 02:27:37,200
Speaker 1: GSD? Hot tip off?

2861
02:27:37,280 --> 02:27:37,560
Speaker 2: What's that?

2862
02:27:37,640 --> 02:27:38,800
Speaker 5: How good are you in the kitchen?

2863
02:27:39,040 --> 02:27:39,400
Speaker 2: Terrible?

2864
02:27:40,800 --> 02:27:41,480
Speaker 1: You're married? Right?

2865
02:27:42,240 --> 02:27:42,520
Speaker 2: What's that?

2866
02:27:42,680 --> 02:27:43,280
Speaker 1: You're married or not?

2867
02:27:43,600 --> 02:27:43,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2868
02:27:43,959 --> 02:27:45,400
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, Luckily you.

2869
02:27:45,400 --> 02:27:46,680
Speaker 5: Guys will still be fun to play.

2870
02:27:47,680 --> 02:27:50,520
Speaker 1: Been married a long time? Yeah, yeah, I think you'd

2871
02:27:50,560 --> 02:27:51,520
Speaker 1: be good at trivia man.

2872
02:27:52,000 --> 02:27:54,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, but if you're not, if you if you say

2873
02:27:54,040 --> 02:27:56,440
Speaker 5: you're terrible in the kitchen, boy, that really that's twenty

2874
02:27:56,480 --> 02:27:57,560
Speaker 5: five percent of the questions.

2875
02:27:57,840 --> 02:28:00,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I bet you he's got some hot tips

2876
02:28:00,959 --> 02:28:06,840
Speaker 3: about it being in the kitchen, like get a frozen peat.

2877
02:28:07,440 --> 02:28:10,600
Speaker 2: It'll be twenty twenty five years of spring. And my

2878
02:28:10,720 --> 02:28:13,680
Speaker 2: wife is of Mexican descent. She's a great cook. She

2879
02:28:13,760 --> 02:28:16,760
Speaker 2: doesn't think that she is, but uh she Everything she

2880
02:28:16,879 --> 02:28:17,800
Speaker 2: makes is amazing.

2881
02:28:17,920 --> 02:28:21,280
Speaker 1: So was your wife born in Mexico?

2882
02:28:21,920 --> 02:28:24,920
Speaker 2: No, No, she wasn't born. She's like think three generations

2883
02:28:25,000 --> 02:28:31,200
Speaker 2: as Yeah, but twenty five years. Got the whole She's

2884
02:28:31,240 --> 02:28:33,120
Speaker 2: got all the traditions down and everything, and that her

2885
02:28:33,160 --> 02:28:37,280
Speaker 2: grandma didn't speak any English at all, and and where

2886
02:28:37,360 --> 02:28:40,240
Speaker 2: her parents live in eastern Washington. It's just you know,

2887
02:28:40,480 --> 02:28:42,800
Speaker 2: we go over there and make to Molly's and and

2888
02:28:43,080 --> 02:28:45,480
Speaker 2: it's a lot of culture, Mexican culture.

2889
02:28:45,560 --> 02:28:48,840
Speaker 1: I once traded someone a bunch of a woman from

2890
02:28:50,160 --> 02:28:55,039
Speaker 1: damn it Comish. I can remember where she's from. She's

2891
02:28:55,040 --> 02:29:00,400
Speaker 1: from Central America. Either way. They make to Mollies slightly

2892
02:29:00,480 --> 02:29:04,200
Speaker 1: different than Mexican Tomali's, I know, because they would put

2893
02:29:04,320 --> 02:29:05,720
Speaker 1: like a dried fruit in them.

2894
02:29:06,280 --> 02:29:06,600
Speaker 5: Uh huh.

2895
02:29:07,480 --> 02:29:12,520
Speaker 1: Where was she from? Man? Maybe Columbia? Okay, So so

2896
02:29:13,959 --> 02:29:17,400
Speaker 1: I gave her a bunch of muskox meat, the deal

2897
02:29:17,520 --> 02:29:21,800
Speaker 1: being that she made Tomali's with that muskox meat, but

2898
02:29:21,920 --> 02:29:24,920
Speaker 1: I got half of the yield, which she thought was

2899
02:29:24,920 --> 02:29:27,119
Speaker 1: a screaming deal. I thought it was a screaming deal.

2900
02:29:27,800 --> 02:29:30,720
Speaker 1: So whatever, she made like twenty pounds worth of muskox

2901
02:29:30,760 --> 02:29:33,640
Speaker 1: meat Tomali's, which is a shitload of Tmali's, and then

2902
02:29:33,760 --> 02:29:35,920
Speaker 1: I got half of the take.

2903
02:29:36,440 --> 02:29:36,720
Speaker 2: Nice.

2904
02:29:37,040 --> 02:29:39,000
Speaker 1: No, it was a phenomenal deal. I had them all

2905
02:29:39,080 --> 02:29:41,200
Speaker 1: lined up like bars of gold in my freezer. Man,

2906
02:29:41,400 --> 02:29:43,120
Speaker 1: but we went through them pretty quick. But they had

2907
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:45,440
Speaker 1: like dried fruit, which I thought was interesting.

2908
02:29:46,400 --> 02:29:48,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't have to find out what that is.

2909
02:29:48,680 --> 02:29:52,360
Speaker 2: But yeah, they our family doesn't do it like that,

2910
02:29:52,760 --> 02:29:55,160
Speaker 2: just traditional with pork meat and all that.

2911
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:57,480
Speaker 1: Give me your hottest piece of marriage advice. Give me

2912
02:29:57,480 --> 02:29:58,920
Speaker 1: a hot tip off on marriage advice.

2913
02:30:01,160 --> 02:30:04,800
Speaker 2: I mean, I just I don't know. I just feel

2914
02:30:04,840 --> 02:30:06,720
Speaker 2: like I just got so lucky and I'm just so

2915
02:30:06,920 --> 02:30:09,200
Speaker 2: blessed and everything like that. I don't, I don't know what.

2916
02:30:09,440 --> 02:30:11,879
Speaker 2: I just I think my wife is just the rock

2917
02:30:11,959 --> 02:30:14,960
Speaker 2: of our of our family, and she's just a total

2918
02:30:15,040 --> 02:30:18,240
Speaker 2: sweetheart and and you know, it's like she's the reason

2919
02:30:18,320 --> 02:30:20,840
Speaker 2: though I guess why I don't do very many trips,

2920
02:30:20,920 --> 02:30:22,880
Speaker 2: Like I feel like I found her sort of late

2921
02:30:22,920 --> 02:30:25,280
Speaker 2: in life, even though we've been married twenty five years

2922
02:30:25,360 --> 02:30:27,680
Speaker 2: or whatever. And so I love my home life so

2923
02:30:27,879 --> 02:30:31,439
Speaker 2: much so it's turned me into a homebody like steelhead

2924
02:30:31,480 --> 02:30:35,040
Speaker 2: steelhead fishing and bass fishing and you know some you

2925
02:30:35,120 --> 02:30:37,640
Speaker 2: know a lot of stuff that I do or stuff

2926
02:30:37,680 --> 02:30:39,560
Speaker 2: that's close close to home, because.

2927
02:30:39,320 --> 02:30:42,200
Speaker 1: I like you home, Yeah, eating them to Molly's and you.

2928
02:30:42,320 --> 02:30:45,040
Speaker 2: Never know how much time you'll how much time you'll have,

2929
02:30:45,240 --> 02:30:45,400
Speaker 2: you know.

2930
02:30:45,680 --> 02:30:48,959
Speaker 1: I got some marriage advice, find the right to buy.

2931
02:30:49,040 --> 02:30:52,960
Speaker 1: Tony had this little tidbit one time. He said he

2932
02:30:53,000 --> 02:30:54,440
Speaker 1: and I were both got in trouble with our wives

2933
02:30:54,480 --> 02:30:56,840
Speaker 1: one time, which we didn't even deserve because we had

2934
02:30:56,879 --> 02:31:01,080
Speaker 1: taken all of our kids claim digging. So you think,

2935
02:31:01,160 --> 02:31:03,120
Speaker 1: how could you be in any trouble, Like normally, if

2936
02:31:03,120 --> 02:31:05,280
Speaker 1: I take my kids to do something, my wife's very

2937
02:31:05,640 --> 02:31:08,320
Speaker 1: very happy with me. Right if they're all gone, there's

2938
02:31:08,360 --> 02:31:10,720
Speaker 1: nothing complain about. Anyways, on this trip, he Tony had

2939
02:31:10,760 --> 02:31:12,960
Speaker 1: his kid in one of those kid carriers on your

2940
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:17,600
Speaker 1: back clam digging, but he didn't tire in there, and

2941
02:31:17,680 --> 02:31:24,760
Speaker 1: he's out in the water and leans over comes right

2942
02:31:24,879 --> 02:31:26,920
Speaker 1: out of that back back carrier because he was like

2943
02:31:27,040 --> 02:31:30,400
Speaker 1: leaning over fishing around in the water for something. He's

2944
02:31:30,440 --> 02:31:32,160
Speaker 1: on the way home, we got pulled over by post

2945
02:31:32,600 --> 02:31:34,360
Speaker 1: like next thing. You know, it's like one in the morning.

2946
02:31:34,440 --> 02:31:37,000
Speaker 1: It's just a whole late deal. Anyways, he said to me, Steve,

2947
02:31:37,280 --> 02:31:40,080
Speaker 1: and I got yelled at, but my wife on speakerphone.

2948
02:31:40,080 --> 02:31:43,480
Speaker 1: He got yelled at but his wife. He said to me, Steve,

2949
02:31:43,840 --> 02:31:45,680
Speaker 1: if we were the way they wanted us to be,

2950
02:31:46,160 --> 02:31:50,720
Speaker 1: they wouldn't like us. My wife she said, yeah, I would.

2951
02:31:53,560 --> 02:31:54,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that's true.

2952
02:31:55,600 --> 02:32:00,240
Speaker 1: I don't think that's marriage advice. That's just funny, all right.

2953
02:32:00,600 --> 02:32:02,800
Speaker 1: Maybe like a meat eater's guy, do marriage advice.

2954
02:32:04,480 --> 02:32:06,080
Speaker 3: I come up with a couple of tips.

2955
02:32:07,320 --> 02:32:09,840
Speaker 1: I don't know about you, Chester. I heard of Chester

2956
02:32:10,280 --> 02:32:13,280
Speaker 1: get yelled at eastbound and westbound on the same highway.

2957
02:32:13,360 --> 02:32:17,280
Speaker 6: Man, But then he's just got to sing that beautiful

2958
02:32:17,400 --> 02:32:22,720
Speaker 6: song that he wrote, and then he'll make everyone weep.

2959
02:32:23,480 --> 02:32:24,120
Speaker 6: Just be forgiven.

2960
02:32:24,280 --> 02:32:26,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've been driving down roll of Chester. He's in

2961
02:32:26,280 --> 02:32:29,120
Speaker 1: all kinds of trouble because he's late from getting home

2962
02:32:29,200 --> 02:32:31,280
Speaker 1: from fishing. And I said, well, here you supposed to

2963
02:32:31,280 --> 02:32:33,320
Speaker 1: be doing when you get home? He said, going fishing.

2964
02:32:36,560 --> 02:32:39,360
Speaker 1: He was late for his second fishing trip because he'd

2965
02:32:39,400 --> 02:32:41,760
Speaker 1: been going too long on his first fishing trip of

2966
02:32:41,800 --> 02:32:42,080
Speaker 1: the day.

2967
02:32:42,440 --> 02:32:45,840
Speaker 2: That's yeah, it's always bad. You tell you, you tell

2968
02:32:45,879 --> 02:32:47,800
Speaker 2: your wife are going, you're going for a half a day,

2969
02:32:47,800 --> 02:32:49,320
Speaker 2: and you come home she's like, I thought you were

2970
02:32:49,360 --> 02:32:50,879
Speaker 2: going for half a day, and you're like, well, twelve

2971
02:32:50,959 --> 02:32:51,959
Speaker 2: hours is half a day.

2972
02:32:53,800 --> 02:32:55,640
Speaker 1: In Chester's defense, he was supposed to take his white

2973
02:32:55,680 --> 02:32:57,240
Speaker 1: fish and she was pissed that he was at home

2974
02:32:57,280 --> 02:33:00,320
Speaker 1: from his other fishing to do that fishing. All right,

2975
02:33:00,360 --> 02:33:03,000
Speaker 1: Thanks coming on, Dave, Did you like it?

2976
02:33:03,160 --> 02:33:05,800
Speaker 2: Thanks for having me? I appreciate it. I was like

2977
02:33:05,840 --> 02:33:06,280
Speaker 2: it or hate it.

2978
02:33:06,760 --> 02:33:07,240
Speaker 1: I liked it.

2979
02:33:07,360 --> 02:33:09,520
Speaker 2: I was kind of stressing it a little bit. I

2980
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Speaker 2: didn't sleep much last night.

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Speaker 1: Don't go on all kinds of other podcasts, you know

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02:33:15,640 --> 02:33:17,480
Speaker 1: what I mean. Don't become one of them guys.

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02:33:17,760 --> 02:33:21,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, no, keep it tight, man, We'll keep it, yeah,

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02:33:21,480 --> 02:33:22,920
Speaker 2: for sure, keep it tight.

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02:33:23,160 --> 02:33:29,160
Speaker 6: And everyone can find uh Dave's decoys at Dave smith

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02:33:30,200 --> 02:33:31,080
Speaker 6: decoys dot com.

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Speaker 2: We haven't.

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Speaker 6: We'll merged that into the meat Eater site at some

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02:33:34,200 --> 02:33:36,920
Speaker 6: point soon. But right now, it's he.

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02:33:37,200 --> 02:33:40,280
Speaker 1: Prefers DSD because he's he's so modest. He doesn't like

2991
02:33:40,360 --> 02:33:43,440
Speaker 1: being such a showboat. That's why he always goes to DSD.

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02:33:43,640 --> 02:33:46,680
Speaker 6: I'm just I'm just giving the audience the u r L.

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02:33:47,040 --> 02:33:48,720
Speaker 6: Well see the decoys are.

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02:33:49,280 --> 02:33:52,560
Speaker 1: To prefer DSD. I get, yeah, because he doesn't want

2995
02:33:52,600 --> 02:33:56,600
Speaker 1: to detract from his co workers' efforts by Dave's Yeah.

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02:33:56,720 --> 02:34:00,360
Speaker 2: That's the thing is like we and that's that's one

2997
02:34:00,400 --> 02:34:03,080
Speaker 2: of the things that's we're having a hard time with

2998
02:34:03,200 --> 02:34:05,800
Speaker 2: that adjustment of and everyone's having a hard time with

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02:34:05,920 --> 02:34:10,720
Speaker 2: that adjustment. Is at d SC we've always operated as

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02:34:10,760 --> 02:34:12,960
Speaker 2: a group, you know, and made all our decisions as

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02:34:13,000 --> 02:34:16,880
Speaker 2: a group. And and a consensus and you know, discussing everything,

3002
02:34:16,959 --> 02:34:20,280
Speaker 2: and so there's definitely not one person that is sort

3003
02:34:20,280 --> 02:34:26,440
Speaker 2: of the you know, the north star of DSD a.

3004
02:34:26,440 --> 02:34:27,000
Speaker 1: Lot of muscle.

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02:34:28,320 --> 02:34:29,720
Speaker 6: You're so self deprecating.

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02:34:30,640 --> 02:34:34,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, I don't know. I mean, I've just been

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02:34:34,600 --> 02:34:38,720
Speaker 2: I've just been real like like like I I definitely

3008
02:34:38,920 --> 02:34:42,560
Speaker 2: you know, I didn't do anything. I mostly just work

3009
02:34:42,640 --> 02:34:45,720
Speaker 2: in my in my shop a distance away from the

3010
02:34:46,120 --> 02:34:49,840
Speaker 2: from the decoy shop and do clay sculptures and everything,

3011
02:34:49,920 --> 02:34:52,440
Speaker 2: and so you know, I just surrounded myself with people

3012
02:34:52,800 --> 02:34:54,800
Speaker 2: that are really good at at all those other all

3013
02:34:54,840 --> 02:34:57,680
Speaker 2: those other things, and I never wanted to be super

3014
02:34:57,760 --> 02:34:59,880
Speaker 2: involved with the you know, with all the headaches of

3015
02:35:00,080 --> 02:35:01,600
Speaker 2: the business side of it and stuff like that, and

3016
02:35:01,680 --> 02:35:06,120
Speaker 2: so you know, we're just definitely we're definitely a team

3017
02:35:06,200 --> 02:35:10,320
Speaker 2: and operate operate that way and stuff, and so you know,

3018
02:35:10,640 --> 02:35:14,480
Speaker 2: that's take some adjustment for everyone to realize that I'm

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02:35:14,640 --> 02:35:17,360
Speaker 2: I am not you know, I am not the the

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02:35:18,400 --> 02:35:23,039
Speaker 2: the decision maker representative and you know of D of DSD.

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02:35:23,360 --> 02:35:28,960
Speaker 1: Well Decoys doesn't lend someone to think that that, Like

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02:35:29,240 --> 02:35:31,039
Speaker 1: when you're talking to Dave Smith, you.

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02:35:31,080 --> 02:35:34,400
Speaker 2: Know, yeah, I get that, I get that and again

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02:35:34,480 --> 02:35:35,760
Speaker 2: I tried, you're.

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02:35:35,640 --> 02:35:36,560
Speaker 1: Willing to see that?

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02:35:37,040 --> 02:35:41,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, well you guys do make some really really

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02:35:42,520 --> 02:35:45,920
Speaker 3: good realistic decoys. Like the other day when I saw

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02:35:46,040 --> 02:35:48,560
Speaker 3: more of that full spread, I was very impressed.

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02:35:48,720 --> 02:35:50,200
Speaker 2: Oh thanks, Jess, I say that.

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02:35:51,400 --> 02:35:53,200
Speaker 1: You know, we didn't even get into we got to

3031
02:35:53,200 --> 02:35:54,800
Speaker 1: wrap up, we didn't get into fur trapping.

3032
02:35:55,320 --> 02:35:57,760
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, you just have to come back.

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02:35:58,560 --> 02:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Maybe make a Martin decoy who for trapping.

3034
02:36:02,440 --> 02:36:05,600
Speaker 2: Is one of the things that helps me set up

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02:36:05,760 --> 02:36:09,360
Speaker 2: ground blinds and tree stands. Like I think if like

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02:36:09,760 --> 02:36:12,840
Speaker 2: if you, if you don't have that, I think you're you're,

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02:36:13,720 --> 02:36:16,520
Speaker 2: you know, sadly missing out a tiny little bit unsetting.

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02:36:16,680 --> 02:36:19,400
Speaker 1: Oh, it's very educational. We'll save that for the next

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02:36:19,440 --> 02:36:19,840
Speaker 1: time you're on.

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02:36:19,920 --> 02:36:20,800
Speaker 2: Sounds good, you'll come on.

3041
02:36:20,920 --> 02:36:22,720
Speaker 1: We'll do a hot tip off with you and your guys.

3042
02:36:22,800 --> 02:36:24,360
Speaker 1: Then you'll come on, we'll talk for trapping.

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02:36:24,560 --> 02:36:27,360
Speaker 3: Sounds great, and then you win trivia.

3044
02:36:28,920 --> 02:36:33,000
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna still beat them, maybe beat them

3045
02:36:33,040 --> 02:36:37,400
Speaker 1: horribly bad. All right, man, don't go doing a bunch

3046
02:36:37,440 --> 02:36:38,160
Speaker 1: of podcasts.

3047
02:36:38,280 --> 02:36:42,200
Speaker 2: Now, don't worry.

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02:36:55,400 --> 02:37:01,040
Speaker 1: Seal Gray Shine like Suit in the sun.

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02:37:04,920 --> 02:37:12,440
Speaker 2: Ride, Ride, Ride on along, sweetheart.

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02:37:13,320 --> 02:37:13,960
Speaker 3: We're done.

3051
02:37:14,280 --> 02:37:18,800
Speaker 1: Beat this damp horse to death, taking a new one

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02:37:19,520 --> 02:37:20,600
Speaker 1: and ride away.

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02:37:23,520 --> 02:37:29,160
Speaker 6: We're done beat this damn horse today, so take a

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02:37:29,320 --> 02:37:31,360
Speaker 6: new one and ride on.