1 00:00:15,264 --> 00:00:25,664 Speaker 1: Pushkin. The story of the week is Survival of the 2 00:00:25,744 --> 00:00:32,264 Speaker 1: Richest by Douglas rushed Off, published on Media. Congratulations Douglas, Congratulations, Medium, 3 00:00:32,464 --> 00:00:38,824 Speaker 1: Congratulations to the Richest. To be absolutely clear, I am 4 00:00:38,824 --> 00:00:43,624 Speaker 1: not rooting for a nuclear war. However, a bunker does 5 00:00:43,704 --> 00:00:46,344 Speaker 1: seem kind of fun. I mean in the same way 6 00:00:46,384 --> 00:00:49,424 Speaker 1: that living in an RV is sort of a fantasy. 7 00:00:50,184 --> 00:00:52,624 Speaker 1: Like the idea of having to live in a bunker 8 00:00:52,744 --> 00:00:57,984 Speaker 1: just seems kind of cozy and simplified and intimate and 9 00:00:58,144 --> 00:01:02,504 Speaker 1: sort of like the way a weighted blanket is. So 10 00:01:02,704 --> 00:01:05,344 Speaker 1: I'm kind of ashamed to say that I had a 11 00:01:05,384 --> 00:01:09,504 Speaker 1: little bit of empathy for the billionaires who are buildings 12 00:01:09,824 --> 00:01:13,944 Speaker 1: who are rightfully skewered in this amazing Douglas Rushcoff article 13 00:01:14,104 --> 00:01:17,064 Speaker 1: Survival of the Richest. So I've known Douglas just a 14 00:01:17,104 --> 00:01:21,384 Speaker 1: little bit over twenty five years. He's a professor, and 15 00:01:21,584 --> 00:01:24,064 Speaker 1: he's one of those guys who was super into the 16 00:01:24,104 --> 00:01:25,864 Speaker 1: Internet in the nineties and thought it was going to 17 00:01:25,984 --> 00:01:30,104 Speaker 1: save us all in some kind of like hippie utopian 18 00:01:30,944 --> 00:01:34,144 Speaker 1: rave party way, and then got his heartbroken when social 19 00:01:34,144 --> 00:01:37,544 Speaker 1: media kind of started, and now hates all of the 20 00:01:37,584 --> 00:01:43,264 Speaker 1: Internet anyway, Douglas's story about the bunkers of billionaires begins 21 00:01:43,544 --> 00:01:47,584 Speaker 1: with this kind of mysterious invitation that he got. So, 22 00:01:48,024 --> 00:01:52,544 Speaker 1: because you are our internet sage or modern philosopher, you 23 00:01:52,584 --> 00:01:55,864 Speaker 1: get invited to do speaking gigs that are much better 24 00:01:55,904 --> 00:01:58,624 Speaker 1: than the speaking gigs I get invited to. And you 25 00:01:58,664 --> 00:02:01,744 Speaker 1: were invited to a particularly good one. You said it 26 00:02:01,944 --> 00:02:04,784 Speaker 1: was like you were being paid like half of your 27 00:02:04,784 --> 00:02:08,304 Speaker 1: professor's salary for one speaking gig. How much was that? 28 00:02:08,624 --> 00:02:11,624 Speaker 1: It's like forty thousand dollars. Could you imagine forty thousand? 29 00:02:11,784 --> 00:02:18,064 Speaker 1: Say Hillary Clinton? Money right, don't fly to yourself. It's 30 00:02:18,104 --> 00:02:20,624 Speaker 1: a lot of money, don't get me wrong. So the 31 00:02:20,664 --> 00:02:23,624 Speaker 1: speaking gig starts out pretty normal except for how much 32 00:02:23,624 --> 00:02:26,984 Speaker 1: he's getting paid. He's flown business class to some really 33 00:02:27,104 --> 00:02:29,784 Speaker 1: nice hotel out west in the middle of the desert somewhere. 34 00:02:30,184 --> 00:02:32,744 Speaker 1: So he's waiting in the green room when five guys 35 00:02:32,784 --> 00:02:35,704 Speaker 1: walk in. He thinks they're there to mike him up 36 00:02:35,744 --> 00:02:39,144 Speaker 1: before he goes to speak in some big auditorium. They 37 00:02:39,184 --> 00:02:43,464 Speaker 1: bring these five guys into the little hexagonal room and 38 00:02:43,504 --> 00:02:45,984 Speaker 1: they sit around this table and they just sit down 39 00:02:46,104 --> 00:02:47,624 Speaker 1: and I'm like, oh, so, when are we doing the 40 00:02:47,664 --> 00:02:51,024 Speaker 1: talk and they're like, oh, this is this is it. 41 00:02:51,584 --> 00:02:54,584 Speaker 1: And I'm like about to open my mouth to start 42 00:02:54,624 --> 00:02:58,184 Speaker 1: talking and one of the guys goes, so bitcoin or 43 00:02:58,184 --> 00:03:02,264 Speaker 1: ethereum and I'm like, oh, what do you mean? And 44 00:03:02,264 --> 00:03:04,904 Speaker 1: he said, well, which which do you favor? Why would 45 00:03:04,904 --> 00:03:07,624 Speaker 1: they need you for that? Exactly what I whenever I 46 00:03:07,624 --> 00:03:09,424 Speaker 1: get one of those kind of talks. I know who 47 00:03:09,424 --> 00:03:11,984 Speaker 1: it's for, right, It's for rich kind of hedge fund 48 00:03:11,984 --> 00:03:15,424 Speaker 1: tech investor dudes. And usually what I try to do 49 00:03:15,624 --> 00:03:19,904 Speaker 1: is convince them that capitalism will kill us all. So 50 00:03:19,944 --> 00:03:22,144 Speaker 1: it's some speech where you excoriate them and then they 51 00:03:22,184 --> 00:03:23,824 Speaker 1: pay you. It's like an S and M kind of thing. 52 00:03:24,144 --> 00:03:26,824 Speaker 1: It is. They do like to be excoriated, so they 53 00:03:26,824 --> 00:03:30,904 Speaker 1: ask me that They ask me our bitcoin, ethereum, virtual reality, 54 00:03:30,944 --> 00:03:35,024 Speaker 1: augmented reality, you know, very sort of binary betting questions, 55 00:03:35,344 --> 00:03:37,224 Speaker 1: you know, like which which do I think is better? 56 00:03:37,344 --> 00:03:40,624 Speaker 1: Which where? Which is going to dominate? And they go 57 00:03:40,704 --> 00:03:43,424 Speaker 1: around like that for a while until they finally get 58 00:03:43,464 --> 00:03:47,264 Speaker 1: to the big question Alaska in New Zealand, like where 59 00:03:47,304 --> 00:03:50,544 Speaker 1: should they put their bunker? It's like, my jaw drops there. Actually, 60 00:03:50,584 --> 00:03:54,624 Speaker 1: these guys have come to a Marxist media theorist to 61 00:03:55,424 --> 00:03:59,024 Speaker 1: give them strategies on surviving what they called the event. 62 00:04:00,544 --> 00:04:11,784 Speaker 1: The event, as in the end of the world. Writing 63 00:04:11,904 --> 00:04:14,784 Speaker 1: is hard. Who's got that kind of time when you're 64 00:04:14,784 --> 00:04:18,424 Speaker 1: already busy trying to be John Stein? So it turns 65 00:04:18,424 --> 00:04:22,104 Speaker 1: on a mic, maybe twindles and knob because a journalist 66 00:04:22,144 --> 00:04:26,944 Speaker 1: Frand has got in that dual time attories, single story. 67 00:04:27,064 --> 00:04:33,984 Speaker 1: Just listen to smart people speak, conversation, filming information is 68 00:04:33,984 --> 00:04:39,504 Speaker 1: a story up. So these really rich guys are asking 69 00:04:39,544 --> 00:04:43,664 Speaker 1: Douglas how to plan for the event the events this 70 00:04:43,864 --> 00:04:48,224 Speaker 1: general term for any society, I need disaster. Everyone's got 71 00:04:48,264 --> 00:04:52,704 Speaker 1: their favorite end of the world scenario might be nuclear war, 72 00:04:53,384 --> 00:05:01,224 Speaker 1: climate change, electromagnetic pulse, pandemic, revolution of the proletariat, artificial intelligence, 73 00:05:01,304 --> 00:05:05,624 Speaker 1: robots turning on their human masters, Pushkin canceling this podcast. 74 00:05:06,464 --> 00:05:12,304 Speaker 1: So there's Douglas Rushcoff, the author, podcaster, media theorist, and 75 00:05:12,424 --> 00:05:16,904 Speaker 1: apparently a therapist to billionaires with anxiety issues, sitting in 76 00:05:16,944 --> 00:05:19,944 Speaker 1: this room being asked for advice for reasons I don't 77 00:05:19,944 --> 00:05:22,864 Speaker 1: completely understand about how to deal with the apocalypse. One 78 00:05:22,904 --> 00:05:26,504 Speaker 1: of them said their actuaries or whoever, and their insurance 79 00:05:26,544 --> 00:05:29,664 Speaker 1: division had calculated the twenty percent chance of a global 80 00:05:29,704 --> 00:05:33,664 Speaker 1: catastrophe in their lifetimes, So they were going to take 81 00:05:33,744 --> 00:05:37,144 Speaker 1: twenty percent of their capital and put it towards ways 82 00:05:37,144 --> 00:05:40,184 Speaker 1: of surviving that. That doesn't sound absolutely crazy to me. 83 00:05:40,664 --> 00:05:44,024 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they're absolutely crazy. I'm saying there. This 84 00:05:44,144 --> 00:05:48,824 Speaker 1: is fucked up, though. And the part that's uncomfortable about 85 00:05:48,824 --> 00:05:52,544 Speaker 1: it for me is not simply that they are preparing 86 00:05:52,584 --> 00:05:55,784 Speaker 1: for what they believe is the inevitable catastrophe. It's that 87 00:05:55,944 --> 00:06:00,744 Speaker 1: so many of them actually want this to happen, so 88 00:06:00,784 --> 00:06:05,424 Speaker 1: many of them are harboring a fantasy to have any 89 00:06:05,624 --> 00:06:08,984 Speaker 1: excuse whatsoever to play this kind of survival of the 90 00:06:09,144 --> 00:06:13,504 Speaker 1: richest game. First of all, these old dudes round dudes. Okay, 91 00:06:13,584 --> 00:06:15,784 Speaker 1: I'm the old dudes. But but what we actually spent 92 00:06:15,824 --> 00:06:18,224 Speaker 1: the most of the hour on was I then I 93 00:06:18,264 --> 00:06:20,024 Speaker 1: said to them, I said, well, you know, so they 94 00:06:20,064 --> 00:06:22,664 Speaker 1: were talking about their scenarios and what they had, and 95 00:06:22,864 --> 00:06:25,464 Speaker 1: they all of them basically had a retreat somewhere that 96 00:06:25,464 --> 00:06:27,424 Speaker 1: they would go to. I asked them, aren't you guys? 97 00:06:27,464 --> 00:06:28,944 Speaker 1: I thought you guys have rocket ships and they're like, 98 00:06:28,984 --> 00:06:31,664 Speaker 1: oh no, we're low level billionaires. You know. That's like, 99 00:06:31,864 --> 00:06:34,424 Speaker 1: you know, Musk and Branson have rocketships. The best we 100 00:06:34,424 --> 00:06:36,624 Speaker 1: could do is maybe get a seat on Branson's thing. 101 00:06:36,664 --> 00:06:39,464 Speaker 1: But that's not that's beyond we could just we're gonna 102 00:06:39,464 --> 00:06:41,704 Speaker 1: have to just hunker down, hire a bunch of Navy 103 00:06:41,744 --> 00:06:45,504 Speaker 1: seals and protect ourselves. And then they all are obsessed 104 00:06:45,584 --> 00:06:47,664 Speaker 1: Navy seals. I know that's because they read what is up. 105 00:06:47,664 --> 00:06:49,824 Speaker 1: They read like Jamie wheel and some other people. They've 106 00:06:49,824 --> 00:06:51,984 Speaker 1: all like trained Navy seals. You know, the mindset of 107 00:06:51,984 --> 00:06:54,744 Speaker 1: the Navy seals. Navy seals kind of represent for them 108 00:06:55,064 --> 00:06:58,704 Speaker 1: a kind of almost a stock market mentality, you know, 109 00:06:59,584 --> 00:07:02,464 Speaker 1: killer be killed mindset. Navy seals. You put that, you know, 110 00:07:02,504 --> 00:07:06,784 Speaker 1: the knife in your mouth, and you know it's Navy seals. 111 00:07:06,984 --> 00:07:10,904 Speaker 1: They're pretty badass, I know, and they're tough. They then 112 00:07:10,944 --> 00:07:12,664 Speaker 1: I said to them, like they've never thought of this. 113 00:07:12,904 --> 00:07:17,224 Speaker 1: I said, well, why are their Navy seals going to 114 00:07:17,264 --> 00:07:21,224 Speaker 1: follow your orders? Once your money is worthless? And it's 115 00:07:21,264 --> 00:07:25,424 Speaker 1: like stop them cold. They were like, oh, fuck, you're right, 116 00:07:26,664 --> 00:07:29,864 Speaker 1: you're right. Why are they gonna? And then the whole 117 00:07:29,944 --> 00:07:31,704 Speaker 1: they started to go through all these scenarios like, well, 118 00:07:31,704 --> 00:07:33,544 Speaker 1: what if I'm the only person who knows the combination 119 00:07:33,584 --> 00:07:37,024 Speaker 1: to the safe where the food is, or what if 120 00:07:37,024 --> 00:07:39,424 Speaker 1: we have something like we've implanted everybody with a chip 121 00:07:39,464 --> 00:07:41,704 Speaker 1: for their security, but we could use that to punish them, 122 00:07:41,784 --> 00:07:44,624 Speaker 1: kind of like a shock collar. And then I said, well, 123 00:07:44,904 --> 00:07:49,064 Speaker 1: what if you treat your navy seals really nicely today, 124 00:07:49,464 --> 00:07:52,304 Speaker 1: like get your go to your head of security, pay 125 00:07:52,344 --> 00:07:55,304 Speaker 1: for his daughter's bought mitzvah today, and it's gonna be 126 00:07:55,304 --> 00:07:56,864 Speaker 1: a lot harder for him to shoot you between the 127 00:07:56,864 --> 00:07:59,544 Speaker 1: eyes when you're in the bunker. Later, Douglas, none of 128 00:07:59,744 --> 00:08:03,864 Speaker 1: the head of securities are Jewish, but the metaphor, you 129 00:08:04,024 --> 00:08:07,664 Speaker 1: understand the analogy. But they laughed at it, not just 130 00:08:07,704 --> 00:08:11,024 Speaker 1: because I was talking about it, but because they understood 131 00:08:11,024 --> 00:08:12,664 Speaker 1: that what I was trying to do, as my kind 132 00:08:12,704 --> 00:08:17,424 Speaker 1: of anarcho syndicalist loving rabbinical self, was suggest to them 133 00:08:17,704 --> 00:08:21,104 Speaker 1: that if they were actually nice to other people, rather 134 00:08:21,104 --> 00:08:25,624 Speaker 1: than externalizing all the harm to everybody else, that maybe 135 00:08:25,664 --> 00:08:29,184 Speaker 1: they wouldn't have to somehow protect themselves from the rest 136 00:08:29,184 --> 00:08:32,144 Speaker 1: of the world. I read one billionaire talking to other 137 00:08:32,184 --> 00:08:35,184 Speaker 1: billionaires about this, and the way he made your point 138 00:08:35,384 --> 00:08:37,584 Speaker 1: was he said, well, you're gonna want to invite your 139 00:08:37,624 --> 00:08:39,744 Speaker 1: pilot and their family into your bunker because you're gonna 140 00:08:39,744 --> 00:08:42,344 Speaker 1: need your pilot, and of course you're gonna want all 141 00:08:42,464 --> 00:08:46,864 Speaker 1: the maintenance aerospace people and their families have been your bunker. 142 00:08:47,104 --> 00:08:49,464 Speaker 1: And then basically he worked his way down until you're 143 00:08:49,504 --> 00:08:52,944 Speaker 1: including everyone in society, because you can't. Even the king 144 00:08:52,944 --> 00:08:55,224 Speaker 1: when he built a castle, was dependent on like the 145 00:08:55,264 --> 00:08:58,464 Speaker 1: surf farmers. You can't divorce yourself from society. Now, these 146 00:08:58,464 --> 00:09:00,704 Speaker 1: guys are not thinking straight. They really aren't. That's why 147 00:09:00,744 --> 00:09:02,504 Speaker 1: it's a fantasy. One of them showed me plans of 148 00:09:02,624 --> 00:09:04,424 Speaker 1: this bunker that he's having built under the ground, and 149 00:09:04,464 --> 00:09:06,544 Speaker 1: it had an indoor swimming pool and he had this 150 00:09:06,824 --> 00:09:10,224 Speaker 1: natural light thing over it, like, oh, you know, I 151 00:09:10,264 --> 00:09:12,024 Speaker 1: got a neighbor who put in a swimming pool, and 152 00:09:12,024 --> 00:09:14,424 Speaker 1: he's always having trouble, you know, with the filter and 153 00:09:14,464 --> 00:09:16,344 Speaker 1: the heat in the parts. Where are you going to 154 00:09:16,384 --> 00:09:19,424 Speaker 1: be getting your replacement filter parts? And he's like, huh, 155 00:09:19,464 --> 00:09:22,504 Speaker 1: and I seem to replacement filter parts. It is a 156 00:09:22,504 --> 00:09:25,744 Speaker 1: little bad, Like, dude, you need a working society to 157 00:09:25,784 --> 00:09:28,704 Speaker 1: get replacement filter parts for your freaking hot tub. And 158 00:09:28,744 --> 00:09:31,584 Speaker 1: they and I can understand if they're thinking, what are 159 00:09:31,584 --> 00:09:34,184 Speaker 1: they going to somehow hold out for a year in 160 00:09:34,224 --> 00:09:37,024 Speaker 1: their little bunker and then you come out and what's there? 161 00:09:37,224 --> 00:09:40,224 Speaker 1: But no, they're actually thinking this is like, Ed, did 162 00:09:40,304 --> 00:09:43,864 Speaker 1: you like these guys at all? No? Ultimately no, I 163 00:09:43,944 --> 00:09:46,344 Speaker 1: did not. I did not, and I get along with 164 00:09:46,344 --> 00:09:49,344 Speaker 1: a lot of different kinds of tech guys. I didn't, 165 00:09:49,624 --> 00:09:54,824 Speaker 1: And I think the reason I didn't was the way 166 00:09:54,864 --> 00:10:02,064 Speaker 1: they reacted to my provocations was very brittle. You know. 167 00:10:02,224 --> 00:10:07,744 Speaker 1: I felt like they didn't want to really talk. They 168 00:10:07,744 --> 00:10:11,544 Speaker 1: didn't want to have their our vision of their bunker 169 00:10:11,624 --> 00:10:16,304 Speaker 1: strategies genuinely challenged. I get that no one wants their 170 00:10:16,464 --> 00:10:20,944 Speaker 1: entire bunker strategy questioned. But Douglas's critique of bunker strategies 171 00:10:21,024 --> 00:10:24,424 Speaker 1: was just getting started because he was going to accidentally 172 00:10:24,424 --> 00:10:29,704 Speaker 1: find out way more about them. But first, we're gonna 173 00:10:29,784 --> 00:10:32,824 Speaker 1: let you know about some very important things you're going 174 00:10:32,904 --> 00:10:36,304 Speaker 1: to need to buy from our sponsors if you hope 175 00:10:36,304 --> 00:10:48,424 Speaker 1: to live through the event. We'll be right back. Okay. 176 00:10:48,424 --> 00:10:52,184 Speaker 1: So when we last left Douglas Roushkoff, the socialist media theorist, 177 00:10:52,584 --> 00:10:55,384 Speaker 1: he is stuck in this room with five really really 178 00:10:55,464 --> 00:10:57,824 Speaker 1: rich guys who are trying to ask him about how 179 00:10:57,824 --> 00:11:01,664 Speaker 1: to survive the apocalypse. He then writes this hilarious article 180 00:11:01,704 --> 00:11:05,264 Speaker 1: about this experience for medium, and when the article comes out, 181 00:11:05,864 --> 00:11:10,744 Speaker 1: things got a lot weirder. Okay. So after the piece 182 00:11:10,824 --> 00:11:13,544 Speaker 1: comes out, you get an email from a bunch of 183 00:11:13,584 --> 00:11:18,224 Speaker 1: people who basically want to sell bunker stuff to rich people, 184 00:11:18,304 --> 00:11:21,464 Speaker 1: and one of them to introduce them to my five billionaires. Right, Oh, 185 00:11:21,544 --> 00:11:23,944 Speaker 1: I sell the best buckers, I bet that navy seal, 186 00:11:24,144 --> 00:11:26,864 Speaker 1: you know, employment service, all those kind of things. And 187 00:11:26,944 --> 00:11:30,464 Speaker 1: one of them is named jac Cole. So who is 188 00:11:30,544 --> 00:11:34,104 Speaker 1: he and what was his idea that he emailed you about? 189 00:11:34,584 --> 00:11:37,584 Speaker 1: It's weird. I mean, people are telling me I shouldn't 190 00:11:37,584 --> 00:11:39,264 Speaker 1: love this guy, but I do love this guy. So 191 00:11:39,504 --> 00:11:42,744 Speaker 1: jc Cole is a He's a real maga guy, a 192 00:11:42,824 --> 00:11:46,184 Speaker 1: maga Trump supporter guy. He was running I forgot what country, 193 00:11:46,224 --> 00:11:48,584 Speaker 1: like a Glatvia, one of these places after the fall 194 00:11:48,664 --> 00:11:51,664 Speaker 1: of the Soviet Union. He was running like the embassy 195 00:11:52,024 --> 00:11:54,584 Speaker 1: in the Chamber of Chamber of the American Chamber of 196 00:11:54,584 --> 00:11:56,984 Speaker 1: Commerce in Latvia, and he had to do security and 197 00:11:56,984 --> 00:11:58,584 Speaker 1: all that. But he had witnessed the fall of the 198 00:11:58,584 --> 00:12:01,464 Speaker 1: Soviet Union and how you had to rebuild a society. 199 00:12:01,824 --> 00:12:06,264 Speaker 1: And he has these a couple of farms and equestrian 200 00:12:06,304 --> 00:12:09,024 Speaker 1: centers out in Jersey and Pennsylvania. And he got the 201 00:12:09,264 --> 00:12:14,744 Speaker 1: idea to create kind of sustainable farms in around the 202 00:12:14,824 --> 00:12:18,944 Speaker 1: country that billionaires could buy shares in. You pay a 203 00:12:18,944 --> 00:12:21,384 Speaker 1: few million dollars to get shares, and then you have 204 00:12:21,464 --> 00:12:23,704 Speaker 1: a place to go when the ship hits the fan. 205 00:12:24,064 --> 00:12:26,584 Speaker 1: So he would build them around near like two hours 206 00:12:26,624 --> 00:12:30,464 Speaker 1: away from each major city and have right ones in Princeton, 207 00:12:30,584 --> 00:12:32,864 Speaker 1: ones like in the Poconos. He's trying to build them 208 00:12:32,864 --> 00:12:35,464 Speaker 1: in different places. And he said, you gotta come, you know, 209 00:12:35,464 --> 00:12:38,064 Speaker 1: you got to see this place. And I'll come. I'll come. 210 00:12:38,104 --> 00:12:40,704 Speaker 1: And he's like, do you shoot? Right? I'm like, so 211 00:12:41,184 --> 00:12:43,464 Speaker 1: he's like, bring your boots. So I bring like these, 212 00:12:43,544 --> 00:12:46,704 Speaker 1: you know, like like wife's boots, right to go out 213 00:12:46,744 --> 00:12:49,424 Speaker 1: like in the mud. Who my wife's But they don't fit. 214 00:12:49,624 --> 00:12:51,664 Speaker 1: But um, what kind of you know to boots? I 215 00:12:51,664 --> 00:12:53,664 Speaker 1: want boots. He has to bring boots. I've used plastic 216 00:12:53,664 --> 00:12:56,184 Speaker 1: bags on my sneakers. You know. Kids got a muddy farm. 217 00:12:56,304 --> 00:12:57,944 Speaker 1: And he wants to go out in the back and shoot, 218 00:12:57,984 --> 00:13:02,384 Speaker 1: and do you shoot? I did shoot? Okay, it was 219 00:13:02,424 --> 00:13:05,064 Speaker 1: your first time shooting a gun? Yeah? What do you 220 00:13:05,104 --> 00:13:07,624 Speaker 1: think it was? Kind of cool. It's kind of cool. 221 00:13:07,624 --> 00:13:10,744 Speaker 1: There's two kinds of gun. There's um, I guess there's 222 00:13:10,784 --> 00:13:13,504 Speaker 1: more than two. But he had to know. There was 223 00:13:13,624 --> 00:13:19,864 Speaker 1: a little gun that twenty two rim fire. It's like right, 224 00:13:20,024 --> 00:13:23,944 Speaker 1: which you could shoot and not it doesn't hurt. Then 225 00:13:23,984 --> 00:13:26,664 Speaker 1: he had a glock spiel or whatever it is. You know, 226 00:13:27,504 --> 00:13:31,024 Speaker 1: that's an industry whatever, a gun with nine million meters. Yeah, 227 00:13:31,104 --> 00:13:33,504 Speaker 1: and that you shoot it and it moves your hand. 228 00:13:33,544 --> 00:13:36,344 Speaker 1: It really well, yeah, it's a whole thing. Okay, So 229 00:13:36,464 --> 00:13:39,384 Speaker 1: you meet him and you and his idea, his ideas. 230 00:13:39,424 --> 00:13:42,704 Speaker 1: He's going to build these bunkers, but they're also they're 231 00:13:42,744 --> 00:13:45,744 Speaker 1: not even bunkers. He's gonna build working farms. You buy 232 00:13:45,744 --> 00:13:48,304 Speaker 1: a share in this farm. You spend like five million 233 00:13:48,344 --> 00:13:50,064 Speaker 1: dollars now, and you're investing in a farm. And then 234 00:13:50,064 --> 00:13:52,264 Speaker 1: when shit hits the van, you come out and you 235 00:13:52,304 --> 00:13:54,264 Speaker 1: live and work on this farm. And they'll be a 236 00:13:54,344 --> 00:13:57,104 Speaker 1: dentist and a doctor and all the different kinds of 237 00:13:57,104 --> 00:13:59,904 Speaker 1: things that you need. Several hundred people living on a farm, 238 00:14:00,064 --> 00:14:02,104 Speaker 1: and they'll be of course a dozen Navy seals, you know, 239 00:14:02,184 --> 00:14:04,104 Speaker 1: armed to the teeth to guard the place. He said 240 00:14:04,144 --> 00:14:07,824 Speaker 1: something to you that kind of summed it up for 241 00:14:07,904 --> 00:14:12,264 Speaker 1: me completely. He said, I am less concerned about gangs 242 00:14:12,264 --> 00:14:14,584 Speaker 1: with guns than the woman at the end of the 243 00:14:14,664 --> 00:14:18,544 Speaker 1: driveway holding a baby and asking for food. What did 244 00:14:18,584 --> 00:14:22,064 Speaker 1: he mean by that and how did it affect you? Well, 245 00:14:22,104 --> 00:14:25,424 Speaker 1: it was weird. After we had shot rounds and he 246 00:14:25,504 --> 00:14:27,824 Speaker 1: was talking about the various kinds of military guys and 247 00:14:27,904 --> 00:14:30,664 Speaker 1: navy seals that we're going to come protect the place. 248 00:14:30,704 --> 00:14:32,304 Speaker 1: I was like, yeah, but what if a giant gang 249 00:14:32,344 --> 00:14:34,864 Speaker 1: of motorcycle guys came with chains of machine guns, you know? 250 00:14:35,704 --> 00:14:37,824 Speaker 1: And then he said, yeah, I'm less worried about that 251 00:14:37,904 --> 00:14:42,384 Speaker 1: than I am the moral quandary of the starving people 252 00:14:42,424 --> 00:14:44,944 Speaker 1: at the gate. And that's what made me love this guy. 253 00:14:45,064 --> 00:14:48,464 Speaker 1: So this guy. The part of his plan that I 254 00:14:48,504 --> 00:14:51,064 Speaker 1: think is great and that none of the billionaires like, 255 00:14:51,944 --> 00:14:54,304 Speaker 1: is that your money doesn't just go to the farm 256 00:14:54,424 --> 00:14:57,824 Speaker 1: that you're living in. Your money is also an investment 257 00:14:57,864 --> 00:15:01,784 Speaker 1: in a company that is meant to train people around 258 00:15:01,784 --> 00:15:05,184 Speaker 1: the country how to build their own farms. Because his 259 00:15:05,344 --> 00:15:09,344 Speaker 1: idea is if we're the only ones able to do this, 260 00:15:09,664 --> 00:15:12,184 Speaker 1: then everyone's going to be coming and attacking us. That 261 00:15:12,264 --> 00:15:15,064 Speaker 1: the more resilient we can make the rest of the country. 262 00:15:15,184 --> 00:15:18,024 Speaker 1: The more we can have other people taking care of themselves, 263 00:15:18,064 --> 00:15:21,384 Speaker 1: the better off we are. And that philosophy alone from 264 00:15:21,424 --> 00:15:26,824 Speaker 1: a supposedly maga republican gun toting guy is what's keeping 265 00:15:26,864 --> 00:15:29,944 Speaker 1: the tech billionaires from wanting to even invest in him 266 00:15:30,024 --> 00:15:33,824 Speaker 1: because he's too egalitarian. He's too communist for them. Okay, 267 00:15:33,824 --> 00:15:38,104 Speaker 1: so your communitarian farm maga guy is getting no buyers 268 00:15:38,144 --> 00:15:40,064 Speaker 1: and his website looks like crap. By the way, he 269 00:15:40,144 --> 00:15:42,664 Speaker 1: seems like a guy who's not really plugged into the 270 00:15:42,704 --> 00:15:46,304 Speaker 1: billionaire tech community. And then there are these other companies 271 00:15:46,784 --> 00:15:50,824 Speaker 1: like Vivos. They're the ones that sell the old nuclear 272 00:15:50,944 --> 00:15:54,504 Speaker 1: bunkers and then they turn them into what seemed like 273 00:15:54,624 --> 00:15:58,704 Speaker 1: kind of awesome Miami condominiums where there's like hot tubs 274 00:15:58,704 --> 00:16:01,664 Speaker 1: and swimming pools and yeah, they're like little Doctor No 275 00:16:02,024 --> 00:16:04,504 Speaker 1: sort of retreats, you know, they sort of look awesome. 276 00:16:04,624 --> 00:16:08,624 Speaker 1: And then there's a snazzy video on Vivos while they're 277 00:16:08,664 --> 00:16:18,704 Speaker 1: playing this song that says say your last goodbyes. They 278 00:16:18,744 --> 00:16:21,664 Speaker 1: suddenly have like the basically the coolest looking condo ever 279 00:16:22,024 --> 00:16:25,304 Speaker 1: and people are buying into that. And this one called 280 00:16:25,504 --> 00:16:29,064 Speaker 1: Opedum or something in the Czech Republic whatever is happening 281 00:16:29,064 --> 00:16:32,424 Speaker 1: in the world outside, you can rest easy and live 282 00:16:32,504 --> 00:16:36,144 Speaker 1: fully in times of tranquility and in times of unrest. 283 00:16:37,024 --> 00:16:41,984 Speaker 1: That's really just a condos kind of he's gorgeous condos 284 00:16:42,264 --> 00:16:46,104 Speaker 1: with indoor pool that they they're they're in really fortified 285 00:16:46,224 --> 00:16:49,624 Speaker 1: you know, subterranean basements and stuff. I mean, it's sort 286 00:16:49,624 --> 00:16:52,744 Speaker 1: of a version of the RV fantasy for the retiree, 287 00:16:53,224 --> 00:16:55,384 Speaker 1: you know, or your tiny house. You know, there's a 288 00:16:55,424 --> 00:16:57,864 Speaker 1: there's a there's something that's really kind of sweet about 289 00:16:57,904 --> 00:17:00,024 Speaker 1: having your house bowed or your tiny house or your 290 00:17:00,144 --> 00:17:02,424 Speaker 1: RV and you just live there and you open up 291 00:17:02,424 --> 00:17:05,224 Speaker 1: your little meals and you know that that I mean, 292 00:17:05,304 --> 00:17:07,384 Speaker 1: think about it. It's like it's a hard world and 293 00:17:07,424 --> 00:17:10,144 Speaker 1: it would just be so simple. Like what other amenities 294 00:17:10,184 --> 00:17:13,064 Speaker 1: did you see that you were like, Oh, this is pathetic. 295 00:17:13,104 --> 00:17:15,664 Speaker 1: It's never going to work out. Every single amenity I 296 00:17:15,744 --> 00:17:18,464 Speaker 1: saw I thought was pathetic and wouldn't work out. I 297 00:17:18,464 --> 00:17:21,384 Speaker 1: mean the ones that were even more pathetic was you know, 298 00:17:21,624 --> 00:17:25,504 Speaker 1: as I did more research and looked at the kind 299 00:17:25,504 --> 00:17:28,664 Speaker 1: of the eco farm ideas that these kind of burning 300 00:17:28,664 --> 00:17:31,424 Speaker 1: man dudes come up with. You know, they have all 301 00:17:31,544 --> 00:17:36,384 Speaker 1: these great ideas, but they They believe that somehow they 302 00:17:36,384 --> 00:17:40,944 Speaker 1: can survive in a hermetically sealed world. So like their 303 00:17:41,064 --> 00:17:45,224 Speaker 1: solution for topsoil is to have these big plastic tubes 304 00:17:45,264 --> 00:17:47,544 Speaker 1: that you put top soil in and then you grow 305 00:17:47,624 --> 00:17:49,864 Speaker 1: your plants there, so you don't have to water the 306 00:17:49,904 --> 00:17:53,024 Speaker 1: whole earth. You could just water the tubes in which 307 00:17:53,064 --> 00:17:56,864 Speaker 1: your food is growing. But where people do that kind 308 00:17:56,864 --> 00:18:00,944 Speaker 1: of stuff, or vertical farming on rooftops, it's like you 309 00:18:01,024 --> 00:18:03,064 Speaker 1: get fungus in your system, Like what do you do? 310 00:18:03,144 --> 00:18:05,864 Speaker 1: You call the guy, Hey, what do I do? They 311 00:18:05,864 --> 00:18:09,784 Speaker 1: come in, they switch out your vertical farms stuff. They say, oh, 312 00:18:09,784 --> 00:18:11,824 Speaker 1: here's a fresh tube. You know, try a little bit 313 00:18:11,904 --> 00:18:14,104 Speaker 1: less water next time. Maybe that'll What do you do 314 00:18:14,144 --> 00:18:16,624 Speaker 1: if you're in your bunker and your tube gets the 315 00:18:16,704 --> 00:18:20,704 Speaker 1: fungus in it, It's I mean, it's like it doesn't work. 316 00:18:20,864 --> 00:18:24,464 Speaker 1: There's also this thing that these billionaire preppers do, at 317 00:18:24,504 --> 00:18:28,464 Speaker 1: least I've read, which is they get lasix because basically 318 00:18:28,464 --> 00:18:30,464 Speaker 1: the Twilight Zone episode in which the end of the 319 00:18:30,504 --> 00:18:32,944 Speaker 1: world comes and that guy is super psyched because he 320 00:18:32,984 --> 00:18:35,544 Speaker 1: loves to read and he's finally left alone and then 321 00:18:35,544 --> 00:18:42,624 Speaker 1: he steps on his glasses. There was time now it 322 00:18:41,944 --> 00:18:49,304 Speaker 1: was all the time I needed, not fair. So they've 323 00:18:49,344 --> 00:18:51,464 Speaker 1: all solved for that by getting Lasix because they want 324 00:18:51,464 --> 00:18:54,344 Speaker 1: to eliminate that need. Yeah. Well, what you got to 325 00:18:54,384 --> 00:18:58,424 Speaker 1: realize is the majority of the things they think to 326 00:18:58,544 --> 00:19:01,984 Speaker 1: solve for are things they've read about in Neil Stevenson 327 00:19:02,504 --> 00:19:06,144 Speaker 1: or Seed and Walking Dead. They're they're really particular. So 328 00:19:06,184 --> 00:19:08,904 Speaker 1: when you mentioned something really normal that they haven't solved, 329 00:19:09,104 --> 00:19:13,424 Speaker 1: are like, um, what about contamination of your water supply? Uh, 330 00:19:13,464 --> 00:19:15,544 Speaker 1: that's not like sexy enough for a novel, but it's 331 00:19:15,544 --> 00:19:18,824 Speaker 1: like way more possible. Right, There's this thing we thought 332 00:19:18,944 --> 00:19:21,224 Speaker 1: we might be fun to do with you, which is 333 00:19:21,304 --> 00:19:22,904 Speaker 1: you don't have to do it one of these bunker 334 00:19:22,904 --> 00:19:28,664 Speaker 1: places vivos. They have a membership form to apply, and 335 00:19:28,744 --> 00:19:30,784 Speaker 1: we were wondering if you and I should should fill 336 00:19:30,784 --> 00:19:33,144 Speaker 1: it out. You could fill it out. Do you want 337 00:19:33,144 --> 00:19:35,224 Speaker 1: to do? You want at least look at it. I'll 338 00:19:35,304 --> 00:19:39,064 Speaker 1: look at it. Look at it. Oh my gosh. All right, yeah, 339 00:19:39,104 --> 00:19:40,664 Speaker 1: so there's a name and address and stuff. But then 340 00:19:40,704 --> 00:19:44,064 Speaker 1: it gets interesting. It's like their age that's important. Oh, 341 00:19:44,104 --> 00:19:46,184 Speaker 1: this is like giving sperm. They're probably gonna ask for 342 00:19:46,224 --> 00:19:49,904 Speaker 1: SAT scores. No, No, it's not like giving is a 343 00:19:50,864 --> 00:19:54,144 Speaker 1: skills and expertise people in your group, right, and men's 344 00:19:54,184 --> 00:19:56,704 Speaker 1: skills and expertige. What could you do? But that's smart? 345 00:19:56,744 --> 00:20:01,264 Speaker 1: Are you a dentist, an EMT, a hunter, law enforcement? Right? Journalist? 346 00:20:01,424 --> 00:20:05,544 Speaker 1: Is not a not here? Wait what would we what 347 00:20:05,544 --> 00:20:09,304 Speaker 1: would we check off? I guess we could check off communications? Yeah, 348 00:20:09,344 --> 00:20:11,984 Speaker 1: that's an option. Yeah, but communications? Can you can you 349 00:20:12,584 --> 00:20:15,864 Speaker 1: build a ham radio from crystals? Oh that's what they mean. 350 00:20:15,944 --> 00:20:17,984 Speaker 1: They don't mean just talking. I like they have one 351 00:20:17,984 --> 00:20:23,704 Speaker 1: that's just survivalist. Wait, they also have one that's just religion, 352 00:20:24,104 --> 00:20:26,704 Speaker 1: and that's pretty good. I could do that. I'm ordained 353 00:20:26,744 --> 00:20:29,544 Speaker 1: as a rabbi. And then there's an essay section two. 354 00:20:30,104 --> 00:20:34,904 Speaker 1: I know it's like applying to Oberlin. Um. Tell us 355 00:20:34,904 --> 00:20:37,384 Speaker 1: what skills nice ertise you have and how you will 356 00:20:37,504 --> 00:20:41,064 Speaker 1: be a benefit to a Vivo shelter community. This information 357 00:20:41,064 --> 00:20:43,584 Speaker 1: will assist us in processing your application. I would think 358 00:20:43,584 --> 00:20:45,504 Speaker 1: the idea is that the more you have to offer 359 00:20:45,584 --> 00:20:47,664 Speaker 1: the community, the less you might have to pay. You 360 00:20:47,664 --> 00:20:50,424 Speaker 1: can get a scholarship. You know, if you're like us, 361 00:20:50,464 --> 00:20:52,304 Speaker 1: you just got to pay the full billion or whatever 362 00:20:52,384 --> 00:20:54,384 Speaker 1: it is to get in there. So I just need 363 00:20:54,424 --> 00:20:57,504 Speaker 1: to hire a chemist and a hunter at a seamstress 364 00:20:58,024 --> 00:21:00,184 Speaker 1: and make them part of your group. Yeah, we got 365 00:21:00,184 --> 00:21:04,304 Speaker 1: to form groups, right, I'm my expert. My expertise is cannibalism. 366 00:21:06,464 --> 00:21:11,544 Speaker 1: That won't get you in. Douglas compiled all these insane 367 00:21:11,544 --> 00:21:14,944 Speaker 1: adventurers with paranoid billionaires and the people who bunker them 368 00:21:15,424 --> 00:21:19,264 Speaker 1: into a new book called Survival of the Richest Escape 369 00:21:19,304 --> 00:21:23,064 Speaker 1: Fantasies of the Tech Billionaires. It reads like a comedy. 370 00:21:23,984 --> 00:21:27,264 Speaker 1: At one point, a guy says he never posts anything 371 00:21:27,304 --> 00:21:31,624 Speaker 1: critical about artificial intelligence because when AI does take over, 372 00:21:32,264 --> 00:21:35,144 Speaker 1: he doesn't want it to label him as their enemy. 373 00:21:35,184 --> 00:21:37,864 Speaker 1: And then Rushkoff points out to him that an all 374 00:21:37,944 --> 00:21:40,184 Speaker 1: knowing AI is going to be able to figure out 375 00:21:40,224 --> 00:21:42,424 Speaker 1: what he was really thinking about, whether he wrote it 376 00:21:42,424 --> 00:21:45,824 Speaker 1: down or not, and the guy totally freaks out. The 377 00:21:45,984 --> 00:21:48,984 Speaker 1: engine driving that kind of comedy and all the comedy 378 00:21:49,024 --> 00:21:52,624 Speaker 1: in this book is what Douglas calls the mindset, which 379 00:21:52,624 --> 00:21:57,064 Speaker 1: he defines in this way quote winning means earning enough 380 00:21:57,064 --> 00:22:00,664 Speaker 1: money to insulate themselves from the damage they're creating. By 381 00:22:00,704 --> 00:22:04,664 Speaker 1: earning money. In that way, it's a really dystopian way 382 00:22:04,664 --> 00:22:07,784 Speaker 1: of looking at the world, one where society is like 383 00:22:08,224 --> 00:22:11,184 Speaker 1: just hopelessly screwed, and the rich are the ones who 384 00:22:11,184 --> 00:22:15,224 Speaker 1: can escape to Mars, or upload their brains into the metaverse, 385 00:22:15,384 --> 00:22:19,384 Speaker 1: or get one of these bunkers. So, after having written 386 00:22:19,384 --> 00:22:22,264 Speaker 1: this book, would you say anything different to those five 387 00:22:22,344 --> 00:22:25,184 Speaker 1: dudes in the pavilion than you did at the time. 388 00:22:26,184 --> 00:22:30,584 Speaker 1: If they would listen, I would probably explain to them 389 00:22:31,264 --> 00:22:36,184 Speaker 1: that they are the victims of a mindset, right, They're 390 00:22:36,224 --> 00:22:42,904 Speaker 1: the victims of a mindset that sees technology as a 391 00:22:42,984 --> 00:22:50,344 Speaker 1: way of isolating and insulating from other people rather than connecting. Right, 392 00:22:50,744 --> 00:22:55,304 Speaker 1: So they're understanding where they came from, their lineage that 393 00:22:55,504 --> 00:22:59,824 Speaker 1: understands nature and the world as this set of unpredictable 394 00:22:59,864 --> 00:23:05,584 Speaker 1: forces that need to be dominated by technology, and dovetail 395 00:23:05,704 --> 00:23:09,664 Speaker 1: that with capitalism, which taught them to go to to 396 00:23:09,784 --> 00:23:14,264 Speaker 1: colonize places, extract the value, leave devastation, and then move 397 00:23:14,344 --> 00:23:17,984 Speaker 1: on that. If those if that's your lineage, if that's 398 00:23:18,024 --> 00:23:20,544 Speaker 1: your heritage, what do you think you're gonna get. You're 399 00:23:20,584 --> 00:23:25,224 Speaker 1: gonna get a bunch of billionaires wanting to execute on 400 00:23:25,264 --> 00:23:28,944 Speaker 1: the ultimate exit strategy. But there's another way, right, there's 401 00:23:28,944 --> 00:23:32,584 Speaker 1: another way. Did the original five guys that paid you 402 00:23:32,624 --> 00:23:34,144 Speaker 1: to come speak to them ever get in touch with 403 00:23:34,184 --> 00:23:39,584 Speaker 1: you again. One emailed me or LinkedIn at me actually, 404 00:23:39,904 --> 00:23:41,464 Speaker 1: and it was really short. It was just something like 405 00:23:42,064 --> 00:23:44,184 Speaker 1: after the piece came out, he's like, that wasn't fair. 406 00:23:45,304 --> 00:23:47,984 Speaker 1: He was hurt, but didn't get into it with you. 407 00:23:48,144 --> 00:23:50,984 Speaker 1: That was just Now. I didn't say anything in the 408 00:23:51,064 --> 00:23:54,024 Speaker 1: article that I didn't really say to them up front, 409 00:23:54,304 --> 00:23:58,464 Speaker 1: you know, and I was kind enough not to expose them. Yeah, 410 00:23:58,464 --> 00:24:00,824 Speaker 1: you know, although I probably I probably signed something that 411 00:24:00,864 --> 00:24:05,344 Speaker 1: I couldn't anyway, that wasn't fair. Such a sad response. Yeah, 412 00:24:05,424 --> 00:24:08,864 Speaker 1: is there anything prepper wise that you took from them? 413 00:24:08,864 --> 00:24:10,504 Speaker 1: And you're like, well, I'm going to do that one 414 00:24:10,544 --> 00:24:19,344 Speaker 1: thing now. If anything, their pathos, their silliness kind of 415 00:24:19,584 --> 00:24:25,024 Speaker 1: relieved me of all pretense that I can go it alone. 416 00:24:25,224 --> 00:24:29,304 Speaker 1: And what it did was it it really led me 417 00:24:29,344 --> 00:24:31,704 Speaker 1: to want to double down on my commitment to making 418 00:24:31,704 --> 00:24:35,704 Speaker 1: my community a place that will be resilient. Unity is 419 00:24:35,984 --> 00:24:41,104 Speaker 1: so much more powerful. Thank you for writing a story 420 00:24:41,624 --> 00:24:43,864 Speaker 1: and the book, and thank you for talking to me, 421 00:24:44,344 --> 00:24:47,064 Speaker 1: and thank you for making me realize I don't need 422 00:24:47,104 --> 00:24:49,224 Speaker 1: all the millet that I've got stored in my house. 423 00:24:49,824 --> 00:24:55,064 Speaker 1: You don't. Douglas is right. Our only hopes to save Society. 424 00:24:56,344 --> 00:24:58,784 Speaker 1: You can find Douglas rush Shop's article Survival of the 425 00:24:58,864 --> 00:25:01,424 Speaker 1: Richest on medium. He also has a new book out 426 00:25:01,424 --> 00:25:05,144 Speaker 1: with the same title. And finally, if someone happens to 427 00:25:05,144 --> 00:25:08,464 Speaker 1: have a reasonably priced bunker with a podcast studio, or 428 00:25:08,504 --> 00:25:10,784 Speaker 1: if you're an gree billionaire or an expert in the 429 00:25:10,824 --> 00:25:13,424 Speaker 1: Twilight Zone who spotted the one mistake we made, please 430 00:25:13,664 --> 00:25:18,424 Speaker 1: email us at stw at Pushkin dot fm and do 431 00:25:18,504 --> 00:25:26,504 Speaker 1: it soon before it's too late. At the end of 432 00:25:26,544 --> 00:25:29,904 Speaker 1: the show, what's next for Joel Stein? Maybe he'll take 433 00:25:29,944 --> 00:25:33,944 Speaker 1: a never buke around online. Our show today was produced 434 00:25:33,944 --> 00:25:37,384 Speaker 1: by Lydia Gencott and Nisha Benka. It was edited by 435 00:25:37,464 --> 00:25:41,824 Speaker 1: Robert Smith. Our engineer is Amanda k Way, Our executive 436 00:25:41,824 --> 00:25:45,424 Speaker 1: producer is Katherine sheer Adam and our theme song was 437 00:25:45,424 --> 00:25:48,784 Speaker 1: written and performed by sean Athan Cole and a special 438 00:25:48,784 --> 00:25:51,824 Speaker 1: thanks to my voice coach Vicky Merrick and my consulting 439 00:25:51,864 --> 00:25:56,064 Speaker 1: producer laurenz Alasna. To find more Pushkin podcasts, listen on 440 00:25:56,104 --> 00:25:59,864 Speaker 1: the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to 441 00:25:59,904 --> 00:26:02,864 Speaker 1: your podcasts. I'm Joel Stein and this is the story 442 00:26:02,904 --> 00:26:08,864 Speaker 1: of the week. I've never had this discussion Is it 443 00:26:09,104 --> 00:26:13,224 Speaker 1: maga or maga. I don't know it's spelled m aga. No, 444 00:26:13,344 --> 00:26:16,744 Speaker 1: I know it's spelled I've always said maga, but you 445 00:26:16,784 --> 00:26:19,904 Speaker 1: know it's maga. It's I think you need to hang 446 00:26:19,944 --> 00:26:21,824 Speaker 1: out with more of these people so you can pare. 447 00:26:22,304 --> 00:26:24,264 Speaker 1: They say maga. Well, from there in the south they 448 00:26:24,304 --> 00:26:27,744 Speaker 1: say maga. Here in the North we say maga. It's 449 00:26:27,744 --> 00:26:30,944 Speaker 1: certainly maga. It's the Jewish accent version. It's the tomato 450 00:26:31,064 --> 00:26:34,944 Speaker 1: of tomato. It's the well Jews we say maga.