1 00:00:06,559 --> 00:00:16,920 Speaker 1: Kidney failure, liver failure, sepsis, pneumonia in both lungs, malnutrition, 2 00:00:18,560 --> 00:00:27,160 Speaker 1: open wounds on the body. It sounds terrible, and it 3 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:33,080 Speaker 1: is terrible, But who would imagine all of these horrific 4 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: afflictions befall a little eight year old girl? A little 5 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:43,000 Speaker 1: girl who lives along with a brother and a sister 6 00:00:44,040 --> 00:00:49,120 Speaker 1: with their adopted mommy and daddy. And as it turns out, 7 00:00:49,960 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 1: mommy is a famous author of children's books. Kidney failure, 8 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:12,240 Speaker 1: liver failure, sepsis, pneumonia in both lungs, malnutrition, and open 9 00:01:12,720 --> 00:01:19,440 Speaker 1: wounds to a little girl's legs. How does this befall 10 00:01:19,640 --> 00:01:22,880 Speaker 1: little children? Joining me an all star panel to make 11 00:01:22,959 --> 00:01:25,560 Speaker 1: sense of it all? If we can, first of all, 12 00:01:25,880 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: a renowned defense attorney, Atlanta trial lawyer Randy Kessler, Professor 13 00:01:31,480 --> 00:01:35,840 Speaker 1: Emory Law School, past cheer in the ABA, author of Divorce, 14 00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:39,800 Speaker 1: Protect Yourselves, Your Kids, Your Future. And you can find 15 00:01:40,040 --> 00:01:44,880 Speaker 1: Randy Kessler at KS Family Law dot com and on 16 00:01:44,920 --> 00:01:50,360 Speaker 1: Instagram at Arkessler twenty three. Karen start joining US psychologist 17 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:54,360 Speaker 1: out of Manhattan at Karen Stark dot com. Former cop 18 00:01:54,480 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: now private investigator, started his own PI firm, Crispin Special 19 00:01:59,560 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 1: Investigations and you can find him at Crispin Investigations dot com. 20 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,359 Speaker 1: Special guests joining us from child Help National Child Abuse 21 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:12,320 Speaker 1: Hotline as well Daphne Young and you can find her 22 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 1: at Childhelp dot org. Fornown Pathologists joining us Doctor Michelle Dupree, 23 00:02:18,720 --> 00:02:23,600 Speaker 1: forensic pathologist and author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and 24 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:29,320 Speaker 1: a porter for Today Investigating Child Abuse Field Guide. Alexis 25 00:02:29,360 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 1: terrest Shut to you, first investigative reporter with Crime Online 26 00:02:32,919 --> 00:02:38,000 Speaker 1: dot com and Lead Stories dot com. Alexis, tell me 27 00:02:38,160 --> 00:02:41,720 Speaker 1: about the injuries to this little child. What are they? Oh? 28 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:44,560 Speaker 1: My goodness, this little girl was taken to the hospital. 29 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:49,679 Speaker 1: She had open wounds on her legs. So that means 30 00:02:49,720 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 1: not just you know, scrape when you fall down, he 31 00:02:52,080 --> 00:02:54,120 Speaker 1: fall off your bike, called your roller seats, but open 32 00:02:54,240 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: bleeding wounds that we had not been taken care of. 33 00:02:57,000 --> 00:03:01,519 Speaker 1: She had a sexist She had pneumonia in both lungs 34 00:03:01,520 --> 00:03:04,600 Speaker 1: and multiple bruises. In fact, on her neck and on 35 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:06,880 Speaker 1: her back there were red marks as if she had 36 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: been tied up. You know, I'm trying to take in 37 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 1: all the ailments to this little girl, all the suffering 38 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:18,320 Speaker 1: she was going through. To you, Randy Kessler or Atlanta 39 00:03:18,400 --> 00:03:24,679 Speaker 1: trial lawyer. Isn't it true that if a teacher notices 40 00:03:25,320 --> 00:03:28,200 Speaker 1: anything wrong with the child, like bruises or a lot 41 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: of cuts, or anything to suggest a child has been abused, 42 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 1: they have to report it under the law. Yes, they're 43 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: what we call mandated reporter therapists, physicians, teachers. If you 44 00:03:39,640 --> 00:03:42,320 Speaker 1: notice something that leads you to think that the child 45 00:03:42,360 --> 00:03:45,040 Speaker 1: has been abused, it's your job to report it to 46 00:03:45,080 --> 00:03:48,760 Speaker 1: the authorities. And so this is sort of the whole 47 00:03:48,800 --> 00:03:51,920 Speaker 1: world upside down that she got reported on instead of 48 00:03:51,960 --> 00:03:55,480 Speaker 1: being one reported Just incredible. You know what, it reminds 49 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,640 Speaker 1: me of, Randy. A case I tried not too far 50 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 1: from your office in the Folding County Superior Courthouse and 51 00:04:03,360 --> 00:04:07,800 Speaker 1: the defendants name was Walter Gates, and he at the 52 00:04:07,880 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: time owned nearly all the horse drawn carriage and livery 53 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:19,320 Speaker 1: trade in the city of Atlanta, bottom line, rolling in money. 54 00:04:20,400 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 1: And he was charged with molesting two little girls aged 55 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:30,000 Speaker 1: three and five. I can still remember them so well, 56 00:04:30,800 --> 00:04:35,520 Speaker 1: just beautiful. Randy, and I got to investigating him, and 57 00:04:35,640 --> 00:04:41,320 Speaker 1: you know how I love similar transactions. I found out 58 00:04:41,480 --> 00:04:45,640 Speaker 1: mister Walter Gates's oldest daughter, who I later tracked down. 59 00:04:45,720 --> 00:04:48,400 Speaker 1: Took me a long time. She was living in a 60 00:04:48,440 --> 00:04:51,599 Speaker 1: flop house out into Cab County. I found her sitting 61 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: in a bedroom in her slip, smelling like booze, not 62 00:04:58,040 --> 00:05:02,680 Speaker 1: her breath, her skin, and the room smelled like cigarettes, 63 00:05:02,839 --> 00:05:06,920 Speaker 1: old cigarettes. There was a reason for that. Back when 64 00:05:06,960 --> 00:05:11,480 Speaker 1: she was in the seventh grade. I found a school 65 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,719 Speaker 1: detective had filled out a report that this little girl 66 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,200 Speaker 1: thirteen at the time, had come to school with a 67 00:05:20,320 --> 00:05:25,040 Speaker 1: black eye and a busted open limp. And she said, 68 00:05:25,440 --> 00:05:29,239 Speaker 1: her father, Walter Gates, did it. You know how many 69 00:05:29,720 --> 00:05:33,200 Speaker 1: little girls I found out he molested. That's the case. 70 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:36,080 Speaker 1: I got held in contempt for that case right there, 71 00:05:36,920 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: and all of you and your ill defense attorneys all 72 00:05:40,440 --> 00:05:42,800 Speaker 1: piled into the courtroom. I don't know. It's just like 73 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: amazing how they found out so quickly to see me 74 00:05:45,240 --> 00:05:51,760 Speaker 1: get fingerprinted. Well, what I'm saying is an open wound, 75 00:05:52,160 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 1: and the teacher told a school detective. But guess what, 76 00:05:57,480 --> 00:06:01,320 Speaker 1: nothing was done. Sound it's like same thing in this case, 77 00:06:01,400 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: Randy Kesley. It does. And the worst thing that happened 78 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,120 Speaker 1: to him, and the best thing to that victim, is 79 00:06:05,120 --> 00:06:07,680 Speaker 1: that you were assigned to prosecute that can't Nancy. But 80 00:06:07,920 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: you know, even worse is that pos is behind bars 81 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:14,800 Speaker 1: and let me just tell you that's a technical legal term. 82 00:06:14,839 --> 00:06:20,120 Speaker 1: Go ahead. And even worse, these parents are adoptive parents. 83 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:22,520 Speaker 1: I mean, there's something special we think. Adoptive parents in 84 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:25,919 Speaker 1: my world are very special human beings that take in 85 00:06:26,000 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 1: children that don't have a family. To that, I mean, 86 00:06:29,120 --> 00:06:32,480 Speaker 1: talk about adding insult to injury. It's just unbelievable. The 87 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,479 Speaker 1: set of facts is I can't comprehend it. But you 88 00:06:35,520 --> 00:06:38,719 Speaker 1: know what I think. I'm remembering a very critical fact 89 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:43,359 Speaker 1: to Alexis Dress Chuck. They weren't reported by school teacher 90 00:06:43,440 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 1: because weren't they homeschooled? Exactly, These three children, all under 91 00:06:48,120 --> 00:06:50,640 Speaker 1: the age of twelve, are homeschooled. And here's the thing. 92 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:55,880 Speaker 1: She was also an elementary school teacher. So of course, wait, 93 00:06:56,080 --> 00:06:59,600 Speaker 1: I know that the mom is a very well known 94 00:06:59,800 --> 00:07:02,760 Speaker 1: author of children's books. The big hit for her was 95 00:07:02,760 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 1: called quote a Real Friend by Jennifer Wolfall that is 96 00:07:09,720 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: mommy's name. They adopt three children. I'm looking at their home. 97 00:07:13,880 --> 00:07:17,560 Speaker 1: It looks like, you know, a ranch house. They've got 98 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:22,240 Speaker 1: an enclosed backyard, a lot of nice grass, it's landscaped. 99 00:07:22,600 --> 00:07:25,880 Speaker 1: It looks great. You know what you can treeline neighborhood. 100 00:07:26,000 --> 00:07:28,560 Speaker 1: What you know? You know what you cannot see in 101 00:07:28,600 --> 00:07:31,520 Speaker 1: that picture that the police said was a terrifying detail. 102 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 1: Inside that house, the children were their bedroom. The handles 103 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 1: on the door were reversed, and the lock was outside 104 00:07:40,000 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 1: so the parents could lock them inside this house. That's 105 00:07:42,800 --> 00:07:44,440 Speaker 1: what you don't see in this house of horrors from 106 00:07:44,440 --> 00:07:47,480 Speaker 1: the outside. You know, Alexister has Chuck. Do you remember 107 00:07:48,200 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: how much I wanted the twins? Yes? And there were 108 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 1: a lot of close calls. Can you even imagine someone 109 00:07:56,640 --> 00:08:00,720 Speaker 1: treating these children this way? No, they adopt, did them too? 110 00:08:00,880 --> 00:08:04,360 Speaker 1: Even extra extra steps to take care of and love children. 111 00:08:04,400 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 1: And these kids were actually telling the people, we don't 112 00:08:08,760 --> 00:08:10,480 Speaker 1: want to go back there, we don't want to be there. 113 00:08:10,600 --> 00:08:23,440 Speaker 1: No one was helping them. Crime stories with Nancy Grace. Guys, 114 00:08:23,440 --> 00:08:25,760 Speaker 1: we are talking about a little girl that shows up 115 00:08:25,800 --> 00:08:30,240 Speaker 1: at the hospital with kidney failure, liver failure, pneumonia in 116 00:08:30,360 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: both lungs, open wounds, septs US which I'm going to 117 00:08:35,120 --> 00:08:39,880 Speaker 1: get doctor Michelle Dupree to describe what that is. How 118 00:08:39,920 --> 00:08:43,720 Speaker 1: does this all befall little children eight nine and eleven 119 00:08:43,800 --> 00:08:47,800 Speaker 1: years old take a listen to our friend Jackie Howard 120 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,680 Speaker 1: at crime online dot com. Growing up in Florida, the 121 00:08:51,720 --> 00:08:54,679 Speaker 1: now forty one year old woman loved playing teacher. She 122 00:08:54,720 --> 00:08:57,320 Speaker 1: says she would line up her stuffed animals for students 123 00:08:57,360 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 1: in a class. As an adult, she followed at early trend, 124 00:09:01,280 --> 00:09:04,360 Speaker 1: graduating from the University of Central Florida with a BA 125 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:08,760 Speaker 1: in elementary education and for eight years taught fourth grade 126 00:09:08,760 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 1: in public school. She met and married Joseph Wolfthall. While 127 00:09:13,160 --> 00:09:16,400 Speaker 1: Jennifer Wolfthall taught school, her now thirty nine year old 128 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:19,800 Speaker 1: husband worked as a software analyst head lockeed Martin. In 129 00:09:19,880 --> 00:09:23,719 Speaker 1: twenty fourteen, the couple adopted three children, and the schoolteacher 130 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:27,920 Speaker 1: became an author. Jennifer Wolfthall published a children's book entitled 131 00:09:27,960 --> 00:09:31,199 Speaker 1: A Real Friend. The picture book, intended for ages four 132 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,680 Speaker 1: and up, is about best friends who get into a 133 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: fight and how they patch up their quarrel. You know, 134 00:09:36,640 --> 00:09:40,360 Speaker 1: it's amazing to me. Karen Start, a New York psychologist 135 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,920 Speaker 1: you can find here at Karenstark dot com. Karen how 136 00:09:44,040 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: someone doesn't just get pregnant and have children. It's no accident. 137 00:09:48,720 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: They go through so much to adopt these three. She 138 00:09:53,640 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: Jennifer Wolfall and the husband Joseph. They go through all 139 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:59,720 Speaker 1: that to have these children. Then they turn up at 140 00:09:59,720 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: the hospital and in this advanced state of illness, kidney failure, 141 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:10,319 Speaker 1: liver failure, Hold on dogor Michelle Dupree. What is exactly 142 00:10:10,679 --> 00:10:14,760 Speaker 1: kidney failure and liver failure and sepsis? What are those 143 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:20,520 Speaker 1: three things? Don't you have a long time lead up 144 00:10:20,559 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: to that? Can't you tell something is wrong? Nancy? Yes, exactly. 145 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,240 Speaker 1: Sepsis actually is a form of blood poisoning or an 146 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,880 Speaker 1: infection that has gone awry in the body that gets 147 00:10:33,880 --> 00:10:37,240 Speaker 1: into the bloodstream and basically goes to every organ in 148 00:10:37,280 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 1: the body, including the brain, the lungs, the liver, the kidneys, 149 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:45,560 Speaker 1: everything that is supplied by blood. Sepsis can actually be 150 00:10:45,679 --> 00:10:49,560 Speaker 1: fatal or lethal within twelve hours if it's severe enough. 151 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: So that's a very serious complication. Renal failure again, the 152 00:10:56,000 --> 00:10:59,439 Speaker 1: kidneys shut down. They do not then process the waste 153 00:10:59,480 --> 00:11:02,800 Speaker 1: and the tieuxins in the body, allowing them to build up. 154 00:11:03,679 --> 00:11:07,160 Speaker 1: Liver failure, the same thing, the liver doesn't work anymore. 155 00:11:07,720 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 1: All of these things can actually be caused by malnutrition, 156 00:11:12,200 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: which we know that this child suffered. How can you 157 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 1: look at a child until it's malnutrition? I mean other 158 00:11:19,559 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: than obviously we would know that child was thin. But 159 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,240 Speaker 1: other than that, there are a lot of substancy. One 160 00:11:25,320 --> 00:11:28,560 Speaker 1: of course, is muscle wasting because the body begins to 161 00:11:28,600 --> 00:11:32,199 Speaker 1: eat the muscle to have something to survive on. Sunken eyes, 162 00:11:32,640 --> 00:11:36,000 Speaker 1: retractions in the long or the rib area, and in 163 00:11:36,040 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 1: the neck area as well. The skin becomes very we 164 00:11:40,160 --> 00:11:44,240 Speaker 1: call it turbid, which is a very sort of pasty 165 00:11:44,320 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: look and very dehydrated. Guys, what happened to these three children? 166 00:11:49,080 --> 00:11:55,240 Speaker 1: And she's eight, nine and eleven. Renal failure, liver failure, sepsis, malnutrition, 167 00:11:55,360 --> 00:11:58,600 Speaker 1: open wounds. Take a listen to our cut one. This 168 00:11:58,720 --> 00:12:03,720 Speaker 1: is Amanda A w sh Twosh. Forty one year old 169 00:12:03,840 --> 00:12:07,960 Speaker 1: Jennifer Wafffall of Castleberry was arrested New Year's Day on 170 00:12:08,080 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: charges of aggravated child abuse and neglect after investigators say 171 00:12:12,520 --> 00:12:16,120 Speaker 1: a child in her care was hospitalized in critical condition. 172 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: According to the arrest, Affidavid, an eight year old girl 173 00:12:19,960 --> 00:12:22,679 Speaker 1: was brought to the hospital with a variety of injuries. 174 00:12:22,920 --> 00:12:26,360 Speaker 1: Seminole County Sheriff's deputies interviewed a relative who told them 175 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:30,520 Speaker 1: Waffthall had claimed the child's injuries came from a series 176 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,760 Speaker 1: of accidents and falls, but the arrest Affidavid says investigators 177 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:39,280 Speaker 1: determined the girls bruises and severe cuts were not from injuries. 178 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:42,200 Speaker 1: They found a girl to be critically ill and took 179 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:47,199 Speaker 1: her to the pediatric intensive care unit at advent Health Accidents. 180 00:12:48,600 --> 00:12:52,600 Speaker 1: They found the girl was critically ill, but the mom 181 00:12:52,679 --> 00:12:57,679 Speaker 1: says the bruises and severe cuts were just from accidents 182 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,000 Speaker 1: and falls. As a matter of take a listen to 183 00:13:01,000 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: our cut forward. Dave McDaniel wished to. Forty one year 184 00:13:04,960 --> 00:13:06,760 Speaker 1: old Jennifer wolf Fall was back in front of a 185 00:13:06,840 --> 00:13:10,400 Speaker 1: judge at the Summer County Jail Wednesday afternoon, exactly where 186 00:13:10,400 --> 00:13:13,120 Speaker 1: the children's book author was a few weeks ago. She 187 00:13:13,200 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: now has new charge as a false imprisonment. Early January, 188 00:13:16,960 --> 00:13:19,040 Speaker 1: her rest came after an eight year old allegedly in 189 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: her care needed to be hospitalized with severe injuries. Injuries 190 00:13:23,200 --> 00:13:26,559 Speaker 1: wolf Fall said came from slips and falls, an explanation 191 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:31,320 Speaker 1: medical staff didn't believe slips and falls. An eight year 192 00:13:31,360 --> 00:13:35,920 Speaker 1: old slips and falls and gets kidney failure. You know 193 00:13:36,000 --> 00:13:38,960 Speaker 1: the dichotomy, Randy Kessler, I guess you see it. In 194 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:44,400 Speaker 1: court all the time, the public image that someone gives 195 00:13:44,440 --> 00:13:49,120 Speaker 1: off compared to what's really going on with them. Here, 196 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: you've actually got a children's author, an elementary school teacher 197 00:13:54,240 --> 00:13:59,200 Speaker 1: who was clearly beating her children and starving them. But 198 00:13:59,400 --> 00:14:02,600 Speaker 1: no one would know that. Nobody at the schools, nobody 199 00:14:02,600 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: in the neighborhood, obviously, not her publisher or people that 200 00:14:05,880 --> 00:14:09,440 Speaker 1: buy her books. Incredible, even a degree in elementary education. 201 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:11,880 Speaker 1: It's you know, we always hear when you interview the 202 00:14:11,880 --> 00:14:15,480 Speaker 1: neighbors of the defendants and Parch they always say, oh, 203 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:17,640 Speaker 1: he was the nicest guy. They would never have done that, 204 00:14:18,440 --> 00:14:21,080 Speaker 1: over and over and over. You know, when you're a 205 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,360 Speaker 1: lawyer like I am, you see behind closed doors people 206 00:14:23,400 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: walk in, they look normal, then they start to tell 207 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,200 Speaker 1: you the facts of their situation. It's incredible. It makes 208 00:14:28,200 --> 00:14:30,160 Speaker 1: me jaded. I walk around the world sometimes and I 209 00:14:30,200 --> 00:14:32,000 Speaker 1: look at people and I think I want to do 210 00:14:32,040 --> 00:14:34,800 Speaker 1: what they're really like, because it is just unbelievable what 211 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,320 Speaker 1: is behind the facade of so many people. It's a 212 00:14:38,360 --> 00:14:41,920 Speaker 1: sad thing. It's hard. Have you ever felt that same way. 213 00:14:42,040 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, former law enforcement now with his own PI firm, 214 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:51,560 Speaker 1: Crispin Special investigations. After all, we see all you see. 215 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,680 Speaker 1: Do you ever have a hard time excepting that anybody's 216 00:14:54,800 --> 00:14:59,120 Speaker 1: really as they present. Absolutely, it's tough. You know, you're 217 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:01,760 Speaker 1: trying to compartmental lives these and put them behind you. 218 00:15:01,800 --> 00:15:04,080 Speaker 1: But when you work these cases, and I've worked a 219 00:15:04,080 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: lot of these cases. I worked a lot of crimes 220 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 1: against children in my day, you know, it's tough. And 221 00:15:09,440 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: like your last guests just said, you walk around and 222 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 1: you kind of look at people and you wonder what's 223 00:15:14,080 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 1: going on behind closed doors. But you know what, that's 224 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: what we signed up for. That's what we did, and 225 00:15:18,360 --> 00:15:20,560 Speaker 1: we helped a lot of people. But yeah, it absolutely 226 00:15:20,560 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 1: does change your thought process and you try to compartment 227 00:15:23,680 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: a loize it, but it's tough sometimes, guys. I want 228 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,080 Speaker 1: you to take a list of our cut nine. Dave McDaniel, 229 00:15:28,120 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: that wish too, and Meredith McDonald Jennifer wolfall told authorities 230 00:15:31,880 --> 00:15:33,920 Speaker 1: the injuries to the child were from a series of 231 00:15:33,960 --> 00:15:38,120 Speaker 1: falls and mishaps, but medical experts didn't agree. We're told 232 00:15:38,160 --> 00:15:40,560 Speaker 1: that eight year old is still in the hospital and 233 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:44,320 Speaker 1: the other children, ages nine and eleven, after battling malnutrition 234 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:48,320 Speaker 1: and infections, are in protective care. The arrest report for 235 00:15:48,400 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: Joseph Waffall indicates that the doorknobs on the children's bedrooms 236 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:55,360 Speaker 1: were installed with the locking mechanism on the outside of 237 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,920 Speaker 1: the room backwards, and that papers found at the home 238 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:02,240 Speaker 1: included some one writing my body stays flat on the 239 00:16:02,240 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: bed at all times, nand never given permission to move 240 00:16:06,200 --> 00:16:09,840 Speaker 1: or say anything. The Sheriff's office isn't commenting at this time, 241 00:16:10,160 --> 00:16:13,600 Speaker 1: saying the report speak for themselves, and the reported investigators 242 00:16:13,600 --> 00:16:15,800 Speaker 1: indicate they don't want to have Joseph Wilfall have any 243 00:16:15,840 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 1: contact with Jennifer Willfall if he's released from jail, or 244 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:22,120 Speaker 1: any contact with the three children. He's quoted as saying, 245 00:16:22,480 --> 00:16:25,520 Speaker 1: can I call my attorney? So that's what he's got 246 00:16:25,520 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: to say. The dad, Can I call my lawyer? Not 247 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:30,640 Speaker 1: how are my children? How's my daughter in intensive care? 248 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:35,880 Speaker 1: But can I call my lawyer? One child in intensive care, 249 00:16:36,000 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: the other two starving, the one in intensive care, kidney 250 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:43,200 Speaker 1: liver failure, SEPs his staff infection, open infected wounds on 251 00:16:43,360 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 1: both legs, pneumonia in both lungs, a long list of ailments, malnutritions, bruises, 252 00:16:50,280 --> 00:17:05,200 Speaker 1: skin infections that require weeks and weeks of treatment. Crime 253 00:17:05,280 --> 00:17:11,119 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace. Guys were talking about a renowned 254 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:16,919 Speaker 1: book author who writes children's books. Her name Jennifer Walthall 255 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 1: and her husband Joseph Walthall. Straight to you, Alexis Terescha, 256 00:17:20,840 --> 00:17:23,760 Speaker 1: Crime online dot Com investigative reporter, What can you tell 257 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:27,359 Speaker 1: me about a device called the quote whacker? So the 258 00:17:27,440 --> 00:17:30,520 Speaker 1: children have told the police that they were abused. They 259 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,000 Speaker 1: were beaten with something called the whacker, and it's described 260 00:17:33,040 --> 00:17:36,199 Speaker 1: as like an oblong object, a wooden object that was 261 00:17:36,240 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 1: covered with a thin piece of material and they were 262 00:17:38,520 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: just hit over and over and over again in the 263 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:45,639 Speaker 1: exact same spot, which is how there were open wounds 264 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: that we cause them to bleed. And this is what 265 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,320 Speaker 1: these children were beaten with. My understanding that when finally interviewed, 266 00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:56,440 Speaker 1: the other two siblings stated that they would have cold 267 00:17:56,480 --> 00:18:01,439 Speaker 1: water poured over them while they lay in big as punishment. 268 00:18:01,760 --> 00:18:03,960 Speaker 1: Every night. They said this would happen they were in 269 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: summer trouble, that the parents would come in and they 270 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:08,840 Speaker 1: would throw the cold water when they had no blankets. 271 00:18:08,840 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: They were not allowed to get up and clean up 272 00:18:11,000 --> 00:18:15,160 Speaker 1: or do anything like this. These kids were tortured and 273 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 1: the mom told them that the children told the investigators 274 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:22,040 Speaker 1: that what they were told is that they were sinners. 275 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,640 Speaker 1: They kept spinning and that's why they had to be punished. 276 00:18:24,800 --> 00:18:27,720 Speaker 1: Joining you right now, the National chief communications Officer with 277 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: Childhelp dot Org our friend Daphne Young. Daphne, you know, 278 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:39,120 Speaker 1: sometimes I agree with Robert Crispin and Randy Kessler. It's 279 00:18:39,160 --> 00:18:42,640 Speaker 1: hard to look at the world and see good when 280 00:18:42,640 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: you find out about people like Jennifer Walthall and Joseph Walthall. 281 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:50,080 Speaker 1: Another thing I found out, Daphne, as the children were 282 00:18:50,160 --> 00:18:52,880 Speaker 1: so afraid to leave their rooms at night, they would 283 00:18:52,920 --> 00:18:57,120 Speaker 1: be forced to wet the bed or urinate in their 284 00:18:57,119 --> 00:18:59,359 Speaker 1: own clothing and would be forced to sleep in it 285 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:02,520 Speaker 1: all through the next day that have to wear it. 286 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: This is so upsetting because the viciousness and the premeditation 287 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:11,280 Speaker 1: of so much of this abuse is It's familiar to 288 00:19:11,280 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 1: me in many ways, but oftentimes the parents that do 289 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:16,639 Speaker 1: this deep personalize their children right. They look at them 290 00:19:16,680 --> 00:19:20,720 Speaker 1: as things that they can act upon. And one shocking 291 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: window into this woman's psyche comes from reading a real 292 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,760 Speaker 1: best friend. I reviewed her book. I looked through it 293 00:19:27,160 --> 00:19:30,800 Speaker 1: and little kids get in a fight one goes away, 294 00:19:30,960 --> 00:19:33,959 Speaker 1: another builds a robot version of that kid, and it 295 00:19:34,000 --> 00:19:38,240 Speaker 1: doesn't bring him joy because that thing doesn't respond. So 296 00:19:38,320 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: she understood depersonalizing a child, turning a child into a thing, 297 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,640 Speaker 1: and that a real child is a joy. And so 298 00:19:45,680 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 1: the fact that she literally wrote the Book of Right 299 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:52,199 Speaker 1: and Wrong on depersonalization is a disturbing look at a 300 00:19:52,280 --> 00:19:55,840 Speaker 1: certain kind of person living a double life. Here you 301 00:19:55,960 --> 00:19:59,200 Speaker 1: see me on Twitter, and I've got butterflies and flowers 302 00:19:59,200 --> 00:20:01,680 Speaker 1: in my hair, and here I am behind the door. 303 00:20:01,800 --> 00:20:04,240 Speaker 1: And that face of the mugshot is probably what those 304 00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,160 Speaker 1: kids saw over their beds. I'm looking at the photo 305 00:20:07,240 --> 00:20:11,320 Speaker 1: you're talking about. It was a bio posted on Amazon 306 00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:15,000 Speaker 1: dot com that Walthall had a degree in elementary ed 307 00:20:15,119 --> 00:20:18,080 Speaker 1: and spent eight years teaching the fourth grade. And she's 308 00:20:18,119 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: pictured in a pale, pinkish purple outfit kind of lavender, 309 00:20:22,640 --> 00:20:28,719 Speaker 1: and all around her are Azalia's purple bright Fucia looking 310 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:32,399 Speaker 1: Azalias and she's wearing one in her hair, and she 311 00:20:32,520 --> 00:20:35,640 Speaker 1: looks like the penultimate earth mother. And you think she'd 312 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:41,240 Speaker 1: be a great mom as a child's author. Do you 313 00:20:41,720 --> 00:20:48,440 Speaker 1: remember other cases to Daphne Young with Childhelp dot org 314 00:20:49,280 --> 00:20:56,520 Speaker 1: where the children suffered prolonged abuse that resulted in pneumonia 315 00:20:56,600 --> 00:21:00,520 Speaker 1: in both lungs, were basically waterboarded in their beds at 316 00:21:00,600 --> 00:21:03,720 Speaker 1: night with cold water to the point they had kidney 317 00:21:03,800 --> 00:21:08,760 Speaker 1: and liver failure. I don't remember a case with those specifics, 318 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:11,000 Speaker 1: but I do remember a lot of cases where you 319 00:21:11,080 --> 00:21:13,280 Speaker 1: had a parent that showed one face to the world, 320 00:21:14,000 --> 00:21:16,919 Speaker 1: an educator or somebody that looked like a kind person 321 00:21:17,040 --> 00:21:20,160 Speaker 1: teaching CPR in the community. And we got a little 322 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,520 Speaker 1: boy exactly as your medical examiner described that or your 323 00:21:23,560 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 1: doctor described that was so malnourished, his hair was falling out, 324 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:30,520 Speaker 1: his belly was distended, and he was close to death, 325 00:21:30,560 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: and all those organs were shutting down. So we have 326 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,800 Speaker 1: seen that right in our Child Health Children's Center. And 327 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,680 Speaker 1: if we didn't have a doctor who had been doing 328 00:21:37,680 --> 00:21:40,919 Speaker 1: this for twenty three years, immediately take that child to 329 00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:44,240 Speaker 1: the hospital, he would have died within forty eight hours. 330 00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:46,960 Speaker 1: That's how close this little girl was likely to death. 331 00:21:46,960 --> 00:21:48,919 Speaker 1: Oh should take a listen to our cut eight. This 332 00:21:49,119 --> 00:21:55,040 Speaker 1: is Jeff lef colluc At WFT Joseph Wolffall. He has 333 00:21:55,119 --> 00:21:57,159 Speaker 1: posted bond, but he has not walked out of the 334 00:21:57,240 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: jail at this time. I'm told that the abuse described 335 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 1: in the arrest report just scratches the surface of what 336 00:22:03,920 --> 00:22:06,880 Speaker 1: happened to the children inside that home. It's not known 337 00:22:06,960 --> 00:22:10,720 Speaker 1: how long the alleged abuse was going on. Are you 338 00:22:10,800 --> 00:22:16,520 Speaker 1: aware of yes, And those charges Joseph Wolfhall faces are 339 00:22:16,600 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: aggravated child abuse, child neglect with great bodily harm, and 340 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:24,440 Speaker 1: false imprisonment of his three adopted children. His wife, Jennifer, 341 00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:27,720 Speaker 1: the author of children's books, is also accused of abuse. 342 00:22:28,280 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: Two of the children told investigators that they were punished 343 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:34,919 Speaker 1: every night because they couldn't stop sinning. They would spank 344 00:22:34,960 --> 00:22:38,800 Speaker 1: the children, utilizing a specific item called a whacker, drawing 345 00:22:38,840 --> 00:22:42,359 Speaker 1: blood by hitting the same spot each time. The food 346 00:22:42,440 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: was a mixture of brand flake, cereal, water, and vegetable puree. 347 00:22:46,760 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 1: One of the children told investigators there were days she 348 00:22:49,800 --> 00:22:52,800 Speaker 1: was fed twice and sometimes she didn't eat her first 349 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,800 Speaker 1: meal until three o'clock in the afternoon. She also described 350 00:22:56,840 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 1: being locked in her room for weeks and months. She 351 00:22:59,359 --> 00:23:02,080 Speaker 1: spent the entire our day writing sentences at the desk 352 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,359 Speaker 1: in her room. That just hurts me so much to 353 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:10,200 Speaker 1: hear it. So I guess alexis terreschut climb online dot com. 354 00:23:10,359 --> 00:23:13,480 Speaker 1: She or her siblings were the ones writing I have 355 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:16,919 Speaker 1: to stay flat on my bed. I can't speak without 356 00:23:16,960 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: permission to remember all those pages and pages of handwriting 357 00:23:20,800 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 1: and all said the same thing, yes, And this was 358 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,040 Speaker 1: their form of punishment. The mom would the parents would 359 00:23:26,040 --> 00:23:29,200 Speaker 1: make them write out with thousands of sentences the same 360 00:23:29,200 --> 00:23:31,160 Speaker 1: one over and over again as part of their punishment. 361 00:23:31,520 --> 00:23:35,600 Speaker 1: On top of their punishments that were they were this 362 00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,160 Speaker 1: is the strangest thing. They were forced to do squats. 363 00:23:38,560 --> 00:23:40,879 Speaker 1: And this is you know where you're standing, and you 364 00:23:40,960 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: just bend your legs benjurnees down and you don't hit 365 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: the ground, you don't sit on a chair anything. You 366 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:48,040 Speaker 1: didn't up and down over and over and over again. 367 00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:51,720 Speaker 1: This is the torture that these children were subjected to, 368 00:23:51,880 --> 00:23:55,240 Speaker 1: forced to do squats as exercise. You know, I'm looking 369 00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:59,199 Speaker 1: at additional evidence. Apparently, according to all three children who 370 00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:04,320 Speaker 1: are questions separately, they had not taken baths in months, 371 00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:09,399 Speaker 1: and they would be denied bandages for the open wounds 372 00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:13,879 Speaker 1: caused by the quote whacker a device. I guess the 373 00:24:14,000 --> 00:24:17,800 Speaker 1: parents made up to spank the children, drawing blood by 374 00:24:17,880 --> 00:24:23,959 Speaker 1: hitting the same spot every time. Doctor Michelle Duprey, do 375 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:28,040 Speaker 1: you think that is how the child got sepsis absolutely, Nancy, 376 00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:31,000 Speaker 1: It certainly could be. Not taking a bath for months 377 00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,720 Speaker 1: is going to allow bacteria to build up on your skin. 378 00:24:34,080 --> 00:24:36,760 Speaker 1: It's going to enter the body through the nose, the mouth, 379 00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:40,840 Speaker 1: the eyes. Absolutely, that could cause the beginning of spisode 380 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,920 Speaker 1: trying to understand what this quote whacker would be to 381 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: Daphne Young with childhelp dot Org would it was specifically 382 00:24:50,560 --> 00:24:53,919 Speaker 1: designed to hit the child at the same spot to 383 00:24:54,040 --> 00:24:58,119 Speaker 1: ultimately draw blood over and over again, and then they'd 384 00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:00,920 Speaker 1: be doused with the water and then these giant fans, 385 00:25:00,960 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 1: which probably made them freeze as they lay on plastic 386 00:25:04,400 --> 00:25:08,600 Speaker 1: covers with no blankets, a plastic cover over the mattresses. 387 00:25:09,000 --> 00:25:13,440 Speaker 1: And I remember the little girl saying that she counted 388 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:16,480 Speaker 1: days and weeks, just trying to get her head straight 389 00:25:16,520 --> 00:25:18,399 Speaker 1: as to what day of the week it was, what 390 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:21,720 Speaker 1: month it was. This is like a prisoner would do 391 00:25:21,840 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 1: on the side of a prison wall, trying to remember 392 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:26,840 Speaker 1: where am I, what day of the week is, So 393 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,879 Speaker 1: you know, she was trapped in that room in pain, 394 00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,800 Speaker 1: but also just trying to maintain some sanity. A whacker 395 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:40,400 Speaker 1: device you know Randy Kessler, Atlanta trial lawyer, that device 396 00:25:40,800 --> 00:25:46,000 Speaker 1: shows clear intent not to discipline, but to torture the children. 397 00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: Intence not really going to be hard to prove and 398 00:25:49,680 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: reckless disregard the bottom minded. These people can't go before 399 00:25:53,920 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 1: a jury, right, can you imagine any jury giving him 400 00:25:56,320 --> 00:26:01,760 Speaker 1: anything but the harshest penalty charge with harsh is trying 401 00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: to charge with the intent. You know, you're right, and 402 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,840 Speaker 1: especially they can't claim maybe they can't claim they didn't know, 403 00:26:08,880 --> 00:26:11,520 Speaker 1: they didn't understand that there was just a mistake. I mean, 404 00:26:11,600 --> 00:26:14,520 Speaker 1: considering the combination of what they did and who they are, 405 00:26:15,200 --> 00:26:17,000 Speaker 1: you know, the fact that they have she has a 406 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: degree in education, she teaches, she writes children's books. Oh 407 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:24,040 Speaker 1: my god, there is obvious intent all over the place. 408 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,760 Speaker 1: It's um, I'm almost prosed. It's not an insanity defense coming. 409 00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:30,360 Speaker 1: But there's no way, right, there's no way. I don't 410 00:26:30,359 --> 00:26:32,840 Speaker 1: think that they can both be declared in saying that's 411 00:26:32,880 --> 00:26:35,359 Speaker 1: just a little bit too much of a coincidence and 412 00:26:35,560 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: a very interesting thing. The husband in this case, Joseph Walthall, 413 00:26:39,920 --> 00:26:55,360 Speaker 1: is an engineer. They're both highly highly educated. Crime stories 414 00:26:55,359 --> 00:27:02,000 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace Guys a children's book author. Could she 415 00:27:02,320 --> 00:27:08,240 Speaker 1: possibly be the marshal in charge of extended and repeated 416 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:12,360 Speaker 1: child abuse that lands the children in hospital? The littlest 417 00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: girl eight years old, kidney failure, liver failure, double pneumonia, 418 00:27:17,520 --> 00:27:24,119 Speaker 1: and sepsis, open wounds, all three malnutrition, waterboarding in the home. 419 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:27,679 Speaker 1: They all three separately tell the same story, and it 420 00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:32,359 Speaker 1: reminds me very much of a case that we just covered. 421 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:36,720 Speaker 1: Take a listen to our cut eleven. This is tiggert 422 00:27:36,920 --> 00:27:41,320 Speaker 1: Huck at WYFF News four. Ariel Robinson sat down with 423 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,080 Speaker 1: the WYF News four in August after winning the Food 424 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,679 Speaker 1: Network show Worst Cooks in America. She told us then 425 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:49,640 Speaker 1: the winnings from the show would go a long way 426 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:52,560 Speaker 1: to help her and her husband, who recently adopted three 427 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:57,760 Speaker 1: more children. I just know that the Lord had his 428 00:27:57,840 --> 00:27:59,600 Speaker 1: hands on me and he had a purpose for me 429 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:01,919 Speaker 1: to go on. The former middle school teacher was an 430 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: aspiring comedian booked by Justin Williams to perform at a 431 00:28:05,080 --> 00:28:08,359 Speaker 1: Pickens County barbecue event back in November. She was hilarious, 432 00:28:08,359 --> 00:28:10,840 Speaker 1: She was super sweet to everybody around her, and she 433 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: expressed a passion for working with children and working, you 434 00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,200 Speaker 1: know with just the community in general. The reality star 435 00:28:19,400 --> 00:28:23,920 Speaker 1: Ariel Robinson One Worst Cook in America got twenty five 436 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:29,000 Speaker 1: thousand dollars and bragged about her blended family and using 437 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,359 Speaker 1: the money to help raise her adopted children. Well, Tory 438 00:28:32,480 --> 00:28:35,080 Speaker 1: Rose is dead. The three year old little girl was 439 00:28:35,119 --> 00:28:38,840 Speaker 1: found covered in bruises and they actually tried to tell 440 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:41,680 Speaker 1: nine one one it's because she drank too much water 441 00:28:42,320 --> 00:28:47,840 Speaker 1: and the bruises were from CPR. She's charged with martyr 442 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: by child abuse and there she is a reality star 443 00:28:52,480 --> 00:28:55,160 Speaker 1: on TV. Of course, the husband said he could hear 444 00:28:55,200 --> 00:28:58,480 Speaker 1: the beatings and he finally told his wife, you've gone 445 00:28:58,480 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 1: too far. Well, the child is dead, and according to 446 00:29:02,880 --> 00:29:05,760 Speaker 1: Facebook photos of the little girl that they posted, she 447 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:09,520 Speaker 1: had been covered with bruises many times before. She's not 448 00:29:09,560 --> 00:29:12,760 Speaker 1: the only one where what you see as not what 449 00:29:12,840 --> 00:29:15,680 Speaker 1: you're getting. Take a listen to our cut fourteen Jessica 450 00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: Stone acgt and knees so she'll say. When they entered 451 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:23,120 Speaker 1: the Turpin home, they found a modern day horror foul smell, 452 00:29:23,240 --> 00:29:26,680 Speaker 1: extremely dirty conditions and they say it was immediately clear 453 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:30,240 Speaker 1: that the siblings were malnourished. Authorities say they found three 454 00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:33,960 Speaker 1: of the children shackled to their beds with chains and padlocks, 455 00:29:34,360 --> 00:29:37,640 Speaker 1: kept in dark and unclean conditions inside this Riverside County, 456 00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:42,560 Speaker 1: California home, Deputies located twelve children inside the house as 457 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 1: young as two years old. While the family kept this 458 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:50,240 Speaker 1: active Facebook page, which appears to show a happy group trips, vacations, 459 00:29:50,360 --> 00:29:54,400 Speaker 1: smiling faces. Authorities discovered that seven of the children pictured 460 00:29:54,760 --> 00:29:57,959 Speaker 1: appeared so malnourished that they did look like children. They 461 00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 1: were actually adults. The old it's just twenty nine years old. 462 00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,600 Speaker 1: Those children's chained to their beds. But if you look 463 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: at their Facebook, they're all dressed in matching red Disney shirts. 464 00:30:09,520 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: The you know thing number one, thing number two. They 465 00:30:14,240 --> 00:30:19,160 Speaker 1: had all matching outfits on various trips. They were all 466 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: there at a revival of the vows ceremony with the parents. 467 00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,680 Speaker 1: I mean, it goes on and on. Who would have 468 00:30:26,840 --> 00:30:32,280 Speaker 1: ever thought these children were being so horribly treated. One 469 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,960 Speaker 1: finally escaped, called out a window and called nine one 470 00:30:36,080 --> 00:30:42,600 Speaker 1: one to save her sister's horrible, horrible conditions. Inside one 471 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:45,960 Speaker 1: of the closets and the Turpin home, there were scratches 472 00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:48,560 Speaker 1: on the wall where the children had tried to get out. 473 00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,880 Speaker 1: Straight back to Daphne Young with Childhelp dot Org one 474 00:30:53,920 --> 00:30:58,479 Speaker 1: of our favorite organizations. I know you remember the Turpin 475 00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:02,560 Speaker 1: case in the House of Horrors, absolutely, and a lot 476 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:04,400 Speaker 1: of the kids fit to you know, while we have 477 00:31:04,440 --> 00:31:07,239 Speaker 1: to protect the anonymity of all of our children, a 478 00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:09,520 Speaker 1: lot of the kids that we see in these headlines 479 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,120 Speaker 1: come through child health. And it's horrible enough to deal 480 00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,760 Speaker 1: with the child abuse that comes from drug addicts, the 481 00:31:16,840 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 1: child abuse that comes from mental health cases, the child 482 00:31:19,840 --> 00:31:22,520 Speaker 1: abuse that comes from people that are you know, completely 483 00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 1: sort of out of it in terms of finances and otherwise. 484 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,760 Speaker 1: But the scariest ones, the ones that I'm still trying 485 00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:31,960 Speaker 1: to figure out, how do we detect these folks are 486 00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: those that have this great facade, those that have good educations, 487 00:31:36,920 --> 00:31:41,040 Speaker 1: those that have resources, They live among us. These are 488 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,880 Speaker 1: people that are our neighbors and people that we interact 489 00:31:44,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: with potentially and don't recognize. And those are the scariest abusers, 490 00:31:49,960 --> 00:31:54,440 Speaker 1: and they create houses of horrors and the children. It 491 00:31:54,560 --> 00:31:58,480 Speaker 1: takes years for these kids to recover and be put 492 00:31:58,520 --> 00:32:00,920 Speaker 1: on a path of hope and healing abizas you would 493 00:32:00,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 1: never expect. Take a listen to our friends over at 494 00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,560 Speaker 1: the New York Times, hundreds of women say Larry Nasa 495 00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,640 Speaker 1: has sexually abused them. It's one of the worst sexual 496 00:32:11,640 --> 00:32:14,600 Speaker 1: abuse scandals in the history of sports, and it went 497 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,280 Speaker 1: on for more than two decades. NASA's patients felt honored 498 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,040 Speaker 1: to be treated by the best of the best. NASA 499 00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 1: typically carried out his abuse under the guise of a 500 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,840 Speaker 1: medical treatment. He hijacked a rare pelvic therapy that involves 501 00:32:27,920 --> 00:32:31,320 Speaker 1: vaginal penetration and used it to treat all sorts of ailments. 502 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:35,360 Speaker 1: He ignored protocols such as using a glove, asking consent, 503 00:32:35,600 --> 00:32:39,400 Speaker 1: or having a medical chaperone present. And when I was 504 00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,960 Speaker 1: fourteen years old, I tore my hamstring in my right leg. 505 00:32:42,280 --> 00:32:44,880 Speaker 1: This was when he started performing the procedure that we're 506 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,840 Speaker 1: all now familiar with. The next visit was from my shoulder, 507 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:51,160 Speaker 1: which I then found out my hips for red alignment, 508 00:32:52,040 --> 00:32:54,760 Speaker 1: which then made my spine in my pelvic phone out 509 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 1: of alignment as well. And this is when Larry decided 510 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:02,239 Speaker 1: that it was medically sceptable to violate a sixteen year 511 00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:07,600 Speaker 1: old girl. So from a well respected couple in the 512 00:33:07,760 --> 00:33:12,840 Speaker 1: community that had a house of horrors going on homeskilling 513 00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:18,840 Speaker 1: their children in order to abuse them to now a 514 00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 1: well known book author to an Olympic coach abusing dozens 515 00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:29,320 Speaker 1: of young girls with me, Dafty Young with the childhelp 516 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: dot org organization, Daphne, you have actually worked with some 517 00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:40,520 Speaker 1: of Nasser's victims. Absolutely. Olympic consultants Foundation for Global Sports 518 00:33:40,560 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: connected us with some of these brave what they call themselves, 519 00:33:43,680 --> 00:33:46,960 Speaker 1: sister survivors. And when we talked a little bit earlier 520 00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,480 Speaker 1: with law enforcement and others about being jaded, this is 521 00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:53,520 Speaker 1: the piece of childhelp that's kept me here well over 522 00:33:53,600 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 1: eleven twelve years, which is these women are working with 523 00:33:57,800 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: us and CHILDHOLP Speak Up, Be Safe for apple Leads 524 00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: and a courage First hotline that is both a prevention 525 00:34:04,200 --> 00:34:07,520 Speaker 1: education for youth sports, which we've reached well over one 526 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920 Speaker 1: hundred and sixty thousand children in families and a hotline 527 00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 1: for youth athletes. So these gals are using very difficult 528 00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:20,000 Speaker 1: experiences to create safety nets for kids and youth sports. 529 00:34:20,320 --> 00:34:22,799 Speaker 1: And so that's the kind of stuff that allows us 530 00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,280 Speaker 1: to keep doing this work because for every awful family 531 00:34:26,360 --> 00:34:30,200 Speaker 1: like the ones we're discussing today, and for every creep 532 00:34:30,280 --> 00:34:33,719 Speaker 1: like Nasser who hurts these kids, they're amazing women and 533 00:34:33,880 --> 00:34:37,680 Speaker 1: survivors and young boys that come out of these circumstances 534 00:34:37,960 --> 00:34:40,440 Speaker 1: and change lives and use their voice for good. You know, 535 00:34:40,440 --> 00:34:43,240 Speaker 1: Alexa's terrestat crime online dot Commonist to get a reporter. 536 00:34:43,760 --> 00:34:46,759 Speaker 1: We know a little bit about what these parents the 537 00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: wolf Fall said at the hospital. They didn't just blame 538 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,120 Speaker 1: it on slip and falls all the injuries. What else 539 00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,720 Speaker 1: did they say? So when Joseph Wolfal took his daughter 540 00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,440 Speaker 1: to the hospital, he told the doctors that were there 541 00:34:58,480 --> 00:35:02,239 Speaker 1: because this child had such huge with obvious women, he 542 00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: said that she was hurt because she brushed her teeth 543 00:35:04,840 --> 00:35:07,200 Speaker 1: too hard. Did you just say the excuse was she 544 00:35:07,280 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: brushed her teeth too hard? Yep, she brushed her teeth 545 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,319 Speaker 1: too hard. That's the excuse that he tried to use. 546 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:17,200 Speaker 1: And he's also blaming his wife. It was also the whacker. 547 00:35:17,440 --> 00:35:21,680 Speaker 1: Doctor Michelle Dupree, a forensic pathologist from her Medical Examiner, 548 00:35:21,880 --> 00:35:26,800 Speaker 1: author of Homicide Investigation Field Guide and Investigating Child Abuse 549 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,799 Speaker 1: Field Guide. How do you perceive the so called whacker? 550 00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,360 Speaker 1: And can you imagine the sense of dread these children 551 00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:35,960 Speaker 1: felt when they saw the whacker pulled out? And see 552 00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:37,799 Speaker 1: I've had a couple of cases like this and I've 553 00:35:37,800 --> 00:35:40,760 Speaker 1: seen things such as the end of a broom handle 554 00:35:40,880 --> 00:35:44,480 Speaker 1: or the broom handle itself, which can cause significant injury 555 00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 1: being used over and over and over again to cause this. 556 00:35:48,280 --> 00:35:51,960 Speaker 1: Robert Crispin, I prosecuted a lot of child abuse child 557 00:35:52,000 --> 00:35:57,440 Speaker 1: molestation cases, as have you in your investigations. What do 558 00:35:57,520 --> 00:36:02,279 Speaker 1: you make of child witnesses? Are the best witnesses to 559 00:36:02,360 --> 00:36:06,680 Speaker 1: law enforcement? They're the best witnesses to prosecutors. They're so innocent. 560 00:36:07,400 --> 00:36:10,040 Speaker 1: They tell you things that they shouldn't know at their age. 561 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:14,839 Speaker 1: They're very specific. They're not old enough to learn how 562 00:36:14,880 --> 00:36:19,200 Speaker 1: to manipulate law enforcement, to manipulate a prosecutor. I have 563 00:36:19,280 --> 00:36:24,479 Speaker 1: found in interviewing so many child victims that you get 564 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,719 Speaker 1: goosebumps and shills when you sit there and listen to 565 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,160 Speaker 1: the details and the horror that this kid went through, Like, 566 00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,120 Speaker 1: how do you know this at eleven years old? How 567 00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:34,840 Speaker 1: do you know that at eight years old? The best 568 00:36:34,880 --> 00:36:40,080 Speaker 1: witnesses ever? You know, we're talking about a child's book 569 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: author Houser Books on Amazon dot com, very well established, 570 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:49,759 Speaker 1: a husband, very educated and engineer. So how do you 571 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:53,439 Speaker 1: take a child witness like Robert Christmas talking about and 572 00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:59,480 Speaker 1: stacking them up against a defendant? What about a defendant 573 00:36:59,560 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 1: that nobody would suspect? Take a Listen to Tiffany Taylor 574 00:37:04,719 --> 00:37:08,000 Speaker 1: and Hollywood reporter Christina's tell All memoir that inspired the 575 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,760 Speaker 1: film of the same name, painted Joan Crawford is abusive 576 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,480 Speaker 1: and an alcoholic. While her adopted brother Christopher always supported 577 00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:17,600 Speaker 1: her claims, their twin siblings Kathy and Sidney did not. 578 00:37:18,239 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: According to the book, Joan often went on what Christina 579 00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:23,319 Speaker 1: called night raids, where she would wake her up and 580 00:37:23,360 --> 00:37:26,440 Speaker 1: make her clean messes she hadn't made for hours on end. 581 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:30,960 Speaker 1: Christina also said Joan hated wire hangers. She reportedly once 582 00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:32,560 Speaker 1: woke her up in the middle of the night for 583 00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:35,560 Speaker 1: using them. In a scene that's infamously depicted in the 584 00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:38,000 Speaker 1: nineteen eighty one movie, she is said to have dragged 585 00:37:38,000 --> 00:37:41,040 Speaker 1: her daughter by the hair, yelling Noah wire hangers while 586 00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:44,359 Speaker 1: beating her. Christina also claims she was once starved for 587 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,200 Speaker 1: days when she refused to eat an undercooked, bloody steak, 588 00:37:47,520 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 1: all in a bid for her mother to further control her. 589 00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:53,840 Speaker 1: According to the memoir, Joan allegedly kept Christopher constricted in 590 00:37:53,920 --> 00:37:56,920 Speaker 1: bed in a sleep safe device and tied Christina up 591 00:37:56,960 --> 00:37:59,520 Speaker 1: in the shower at night, and when Christina was thirteen 592 00:37:59,600 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: years old, but she supposedly suffered one final brutal beating 593 00:38:02,680 --> 00:38:04,680 Speaker 1: from her mother and which she thought she was going 594 00:38:04,719 --> 00:38:08,200 Speaker 1: to be choked out. You know what is that, Daphne Young? 595 00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:11,200 Speaker 1: Where the children are restricted, tied up. We hear it 596 00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:14,080 Speaker 1: over and over again, like in this case where they're 597 00:38:14,080 --> 00:38:16,839 Speaker 1: forced to lay flat on the bed in turpin. They 598 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:20,160 Speaker 1: were chained to the bed or put into a closet 599 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:25,000 Speaker 1: and locked in the constriction of the child. I find 600 00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 1: that to be a common thing. It's a complete lack 601 00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:32,240 Speaker 1: of control in the parent. It starts off sometimes small, 602 00:38:32,360 --> 00:38:34,719 Speaker 1: a little discipline. I'm going to put you in your room. 603 00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:37,600 Speaker 1: You need to stay away from this or that, and 604 00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:43,839 Speaker 1: becomes a torture chamber. Essentially, it's like the torturing of prisoners. 605 00:38:44,160 --> 00:38:48,200 Speaker 1: And so much of this repetition and cruelty then becomes 606 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:53,120 Speaker 1: status quo. So every little breach of a boundary can 607 00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,719 Speaker 1: open up a new boundary. That's why I say, you know, 608 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,680 Speaker 1: I don't even like people spanking children, because every breach 609 00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 1: of being a little out of control can make you 610 00:39:03,239 --> 00:39:07,120 Speaker 1: much much further out of control, and then you know, 611 00:39:07,360 --> 00:39:09,480 Speaker 1: not everybody, obviously is going to end up like this. 612 00:39:10,000 --> 00:39:13,279 Speaker 1: But we see, you know, kids will tell us how 613 00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 1: it started and it seems so small and then it 614 00:39:15,760 --> 00:39:19,000 Speaker 1: turns into something that is a true night Jrandy Kestler 615 00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,520 Speaker 1: joining us at the Atlanta Jurisdiction. This is all going 616 00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:28,239 Speaker 1: down in Castleberry, Florida. What penalty would they face once convicted? 617 00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:30,719 Speaker 1: Oh my god, it depends on what they're convicted of. 618 00:39:31,120 --> 00:39:33,480 Speaker 1: They're not going to get the death penalty because nobody died, 619 00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:35,799 Speaker 1: but they could be there for the rest of their 620 00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:38,319 Speaker 1: natural lives. This is going to be a you know 621 00:39:38,360 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: whatever sentence twenty five years to life. It's going to 622 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,200 Speaker 1: be the rest of their life, and God knows, nobody 623 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:45,719 Speaker 1: wants them to get out to I don't think it's 624 00:39:45,719 --> 00:39:47,799 Speaker 1: going to be the possibility of parol. Do you want 625 00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,799 Speaker 1: to be the judge that authorizes them to be back 626 00:39:49,800 --> 00:39:52,400 Speaker 1: on the street. It looks like they're going to be 627 00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:53,960 Speaker 1: there for the rest of their days now, But I'd 628 00:39:53,960 --> 00:39:57,680 Speaker 1: like to be the prosecutor, Randy. What about consecutive sentencing? Yeah, 629 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,279 Speaker 1: I think that's the possibility that even if they haven't 630 00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:04,239 Speaker 1: let them out, possibly before their eightieth birthday, the next 631 00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,480 Speaker 1: sentence will they're right into place. They'll be convicted of 632 00:40:06,560 --> 00:40:10,879 Speaker 1: all those different charges, cruelty to children, false imprisonment. It's 633 00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:12,879 Speaker 1: going to be one after another year, exactly right, Nat. 634 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:15,319 Speaker 1: I wouldn't be surprised if they don't go with an 635 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:19,319 Speaker 1: attempted murtyr. Actually, they probably won't be that bold. I'm 636 00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:23,279 Speaker 1: also curious if her books are still selling. Apparently not. 637 00:40:23,360 --> 00:40:27,680 Speaker 1: Apparently the publishers said they're separating themselves from from any 638 00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:30,759 Speaker 1: connection right now. So guys, if you know of or 639 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: think you know of a child being abused, please call 640 00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:39,359 Speaker 1: the Child Help National Child Abuse Hotline. It's toll free. 641 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:44,719 Speaker 1: Eight hundred four Child eight hundred four two four four 642 00:40:45,160 --> 00:40:49,560 Speaker 1: five three. Nancy Grace Crime Story signing off, Goodbye friend