WEBVTT - ”Before An Innocent Man Is Executed….”

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<v Speaker 1>Hey there, folks, say, it is Wednesday, October twenty second,

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<v Speaker 1>and a man left a four minute voice message for

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<v Speaker 1>the governor of Alabama, please don't execute me, And with that,

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<v Speaker 1>welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. That's

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<v Speaker 1>literally what he said, but it was more to it

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<v Speaker 1>than that. This death row inmate in Alabama wants the

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<v Speaker 1>governor to come see him before he's executed. And the

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<v Speaker 1>clock is ticking.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly is. He is scheduled to die by nitrogen

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<v Speaker 2>gas at six pm tomorrow, that's Thursday evening. And in

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<v Speaker 2>this plea, he maintains his innocence, as he has for

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<v Speaker 2>more than thirty years. He was convicted. He was among

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<v Speaker 2>four people that were convicted in this kidnapping and murder

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<v Speaker 2>of a man in nineteen ninety three in the state

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<v Speaker 2>of Alabama. But again he has maintained his innocence and

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<v Speaker 2>he is begging the governor of Alabama to sit down

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<v Speaker 2>and talk with him, to look him in the eye.

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<v Speaker 1>And the man's name is Anthony Todd Boyd. And folks,

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<v Speaker 1>you have probably noticed here on our feed we have

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<v Speaker 1>covered quite a bit of executions because frankly, there have

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<v Speaker 1>been quite a bit in this country this year, we've

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<v Speaker 1>been talking about that this is another and you could

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<v Speaker 1>argue robes even though October has been a pretty busy month,

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<v Speaker 1>if you will, in executions, there's some people who will

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<v Speaker 1>roll their eyes and say they all say they're innocent.

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<v Speaker 1>And I understand that. I think there's everybody in prison,

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<v Speaker 1>a very few raising their hands and say yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>did it keep me in here. But there are some

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<v Speaker 1>here that have raised some serious questions. This seems to

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<v Speaker 1>be another.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, and it's not just one or two people saying this.

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<v Speaker 2>The Death Penalty Information Center is a place we've actually

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<v Speaker 2>used a source of information for a lot of these executions,

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<v Speaker 2>but their latest headline published today, despite serious concerns about

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<v Speaker 2>trials fairness and Anthony Boyd's innocence, Alabama plans to execute

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<v Speaker 2>him using nitrogen gas. Yes, there are a lot of

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<v Speaker 2>questions about his representation at the time and the fact

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<v Speaker 2>that the only reason why or the only bit of

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<v Speaker 2>evidence used against him was eyewitness testimony, which we all

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<v Speaker 2>know is the least reliable. There was and is no

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<v Speaker 2>there were no fingerprints, forensics, nothing. So when you really

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<v Speaker 2>look at this case, when you're just obviously we're not

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<v Speaker 2>legal experts here, but it does draw into question whether

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<v Speaker 2>or not this man got a fair show.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, there are several of these executions or guys that

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<v Speaker 1>admitted guilt. There are several were there's not the innocence project.

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<v Speaker 1>They are banging down the door saying this person's innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>So no, there are some there aren't these questions, but

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<v Speaker 1>there seem to be too many, and several lately where

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<v Speaker 1>there are these questions. Even last week as we sit here,

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<v Speaker 1>one execution was stayed because there are questions about the innocence,

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<v Speaker 1>the guilty innocence of the man on death row that

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<v Speaker 1>was in Texas, Robert Robert Robertson, Robert Robertson. So this

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<v Speaker 1>does seem to be another and we're going to go

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<v Speaker 1>back at least maybe not a name you all know.

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<v Speaker 1>Anthony Todd Boyd is his name. He's fifty three at

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<v Speaker 1>this point. But he is waiting at the William C.

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<v Speaker 1>Holman Correctional Facility in Alabama. That is where they carry

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<v Speaker 1>out their executions. He is waiting to die now. He

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<v Speaker 1>is there, convicted, he's been on death row. When is

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<v Speaker 1>that that thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Years robes from thirty plus years he.

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<v Speaker 1>Was convicted of the kidnapping and murder of a man

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<v Speaker 1>in nineteen ninety three. And he is again this is

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<v Speaker 1>not just this late hour. He has always maintained his innocence.

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<v Speaker 1>Now robes this crime is. I mean, it's pretty heinous

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<v Speaker 1>to hear what did take place where this was in

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<v Speaker 1>nineteen ninety three. Four men involved, Allegedly Boyd was one

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<v Speaker 1>of them. I say allegedly because of the questions he has,

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<v Speaker 1>but he has been convicted of it. He's not the

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<v Speaker 1>one who he helped, if you will, in this murder.

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<v Speaker 2>The eyewitness testimony that put him away said that something

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<v Speaker 2>he helped bind the legs or at least hold his legs.

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<v Speaker 2>But the victim in this case, Gregory Hughgelely, was kidnapped

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<v Speaker 2>by four men and then burned alive. They literally, according

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<v Speaker 2>to court records, through gasoline on him and set him

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<v Speaker 2>on fire and watched him die. And apparently the motive

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<v Speaker 2>was a two hundred dollars drug debt that was owed

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<v Speaker 2>that this Gregory Hughley allegedly reportedly owed someone.

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<v Speaker 1>So he ends up getting hauled in goes to trial.

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<v Speaker 1>Now this case, the prosecution's case was very much dependent

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<v Speaker 1>at the time on one of Boyd's co defendants who

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<v Speaker 1>testified against him, and he got a better plea deal. Also,

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<v Speaker 1>a trial came out. Look, there was, like you just mentioned,

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<v Speaker 1>there was no physical evidence here. Even the state medical

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<v Speaker 1>examiner said, we got no and to connect this guy

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<v Speaker 1>to the crime. There were no fingerprints that match. But

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<v Speaker 1>this trial went on for three days. Jury came back,

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<v Speaker 1>he was convicted, and they voted ten to two for

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<v Speaker 1>the death penalty. Now the problems robes here with the

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<v Speaker 1>trial seemed to be he got terrible representation for a

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<v Speaker 1>death penalty case.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, so he had a court appointed attorney who was

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<v Speaker 2>paid a capped fee of one thousand dollars, and his attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>before the trial even started, complained and said, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>want this case. I can't take this on. This is

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<v Speaker 2>basically pro bono work. And the judge said, too bad.

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<v Speaker 2>You've got a month figure it out. A month to

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<v Speaker 2>prepare a case where a man's life is on the line,

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<v Speaker 2>a death penalty case. And so, according to several documents,

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<v Speaker 2>he did not call witnesses to corroborate where Anthony Boyd

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<v Speaker 2>said he was. He said he was at a birthday party.

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<v Speaker 2>He said he wasn't with this group he had. He

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<v Speaker 2>never looked at any of the prosecutorial witness sister talk

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<v Speaker 2>to them ahead of time. Here was the other issue.

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<v Speaker 2>The prosecutor in this case was his attorney's former boss.

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<v Speaker 2>So Anthony Boyd's court appointed attorney, who only made a

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<v Speaker 2>thousand bucks, who didn't want the case, had just left

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<v Speaker 2>a job working for the man prosecuting him.

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<v Speaker 1>Now, you don't have to be some legal scholar to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that and go, well, that doesn't sound right. It

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't That's not okay when somebody's life is on the line. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>the representation they talked about him getting sounds atrocious. And

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<v Speaker 1>even if you're trying to get off on a misdemeanor

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<v Speaker 1>from stealing hub abubb a gum, you want better representation

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<v Speaker 1>that this guy seemed to have. This seems to be

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<v Speaker 1>a travesty when your own lawyer is saying out loud

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<v Speaker 1>to the judge, I don't want to be here one

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<v Speaker 1>thousand dollars of flat feet. How many hours do you

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<v Speaker 1>put in as an attorney?

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently he didn't put in many.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, for a month for a death penalty case. So

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<v Speaker 1>those are some of the issues and the questions that

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<v Speaker 1>have come up. Look, he has been denied at every turn.

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<v Speaker 1>Know that this is not just a last minute appeal

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<v Speaker 1>where he's trying to get off death row. He's been

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<v Speaker 1>at this for years and he has been shot down

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<v Speaker 1>at every turn, and there is not a single court

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<v Speaker 1>said okay, we'll take a look. And he gave him

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<v Speaker 1>any hope that anything's going to be different in the next.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh No, he turned away and turned down time after time.

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<v Speaker 2>Even in October. There was a district judge. Did you

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you read some of her very tough language,

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<v Speaker 2>but she noted because he was trying to say he

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<v Speaker 2>wanted to stay of execution because he did not want

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<v Speaker 2>to die by nitrogen gas. He actually offered to die

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<v Speaker 2>by hanging, die by firing squad, other than dying by

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<v Speaker 2>nitrogen gas. But she basically just said you shouldn't expect

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<v Speaker 2>not to be in pain, that this is what happens

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<v Speaker 2>when you have a death sentence. You have physical pain

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<v Speaker 2>and you have mental pain, and you're probably going to

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<v Speaker 2>have both and that's the way it's going to be.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the way she put it, it's an experience which

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<v Speaker 1>attends every execution and cannot be avoided. Okay, I mean

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<v Speaker 1>she's yes, I agree, she is right about that. But

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<v Speaker 1>but but Boyd has been trying at every turn the

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<v Speaker 1>governor that they've already said, Look, we have seen nothing,

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<v Speaker 1>nothing that exonerates this man. We see nothing that suggests

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<v Speaker 1>he is not guilty of participating in a heinous crime. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>a kidnapping, and a man was set on fire while

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<v Speaker 1>he was alive. He was burned alive. That's an awful,

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<v Speaker 1>awful crime. But to Boyd's I say credit. But it

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<v Speaker 1>sounded as if as well, Rob you mentioned he said

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<v Speaker 1>he was somewhere else. It sounded like he had a

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<v Speaker 1>pretty solid alibi.

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<v Speaker 2>He did. He and then he said he spent the

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<v Speaker 2>night with his girlfriend, and he said he had witnesses

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<v Speaker 2>who could absolutely corroborate his whereabouts and where he spent

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<v Speaker 2>the night in the fact that he did not leave

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<v Speaker 2>that party and he was not there on the scene.

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<v Speaker 1>See again, there are plenty on the sign who say this.

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<v Speaker 1>We've had thirty years to do this, You had thirty

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<v Speaker 1>years to talk about this, and every quarter is taking

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<v Speaker 1>a look at your case has said no. And here

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<v Speaker 1>we are.

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<v Speaker 2>I know we listened to this voice memo though this plea,

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<v Speaker 2>this audio I haven't heard anything quite like that before

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<v Speaker 2>this plea to the governor, where he starts by saying

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<v Speaker 2>his name. He says, Hi, this is Anthony Boyd, the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that you have scheduled an execution for. He says,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm asking, extending offering, giving you an invitation to please

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<v Speaker 2>come sit down and talk to me before this execution

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<v Speaker 2>is carried out, before an innocent man is executed, come

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<v Speaker 2>sit down with me and have a conversation with the

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<v Speaker 2>guy that you deemed one of the worst of the worst, know,

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<v Speaker 2>the guy that's innocent on Alabama's death row. He does

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<v Speaker 2>not mince words.

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<v Speaker 1>No. Look, it's a four minute plea and they played

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<v Speaker 1>it at a press conference his spiritual advisor. And yes,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what he's supposed to do. You're supposed to get

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<v Speaker 1>out there in front of the public. You're supposed to

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<v Speaker 1>make a public plea. It's supposed to pull people's heartstrings.

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<v Speaker 1>It's supposed to bring attention, and it did, and it

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<v Speaker 1>was four minutes long. The chances of that happening are

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<v Speaker 1>pretty zero.

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<v Speaker 2>They've already been shot down.

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<v Speaker 1>But come sit down and talk to me, he said

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<v Speaker 1>in there plenty of times, or at least on more

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<v Speaker 1>than one occasion. When you sit down with me, if

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<v Speaker 1>you feel if you look at me and you think

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<v Speaker 1>I'm being deceptive, you think I'm being dishonest, go ahead,

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<v Speaker 1>carry out the punishment. That was a interesting challenge. He

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<v Speaker 1>was like, you come sit down with me, you'll be

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<v Speaker 1>assured that I'm not guilty.

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<v Speaker 2>That was interesting, It was effective for me. That's right,

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<v Speaker 2>he said, Then please carry out the sentence. You're right.

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<v Speaker 2>It was a challenge because he's that sure that he

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<v Speaker 2>is so innocent that when she spoke with him, or

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<v Speaker 2>if she's saw him and heard him.

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<v Speaker 1>She would believe him.

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<v Speaker 2>That's hard to imagine, but he actually felt like that

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<v Speaker 2>was I mean, look, at this point, he doesn't have

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<v Speaker 2>any options.

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<v Speaker 1>No, at this point, I do not know if he

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<v Speaker 1>has a single one. Somebody could have a change of heart,

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<v Speaker 1>possibly something else could come up, but it looks like

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<v Speaker 1>this is not going to happen, and he is going

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<v Speaker 1>to be now the thirty ninth, excuse me, fortieth fortieth.

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<v Speaker 1>They'll have this right, he would be the fortieth. No,

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to be the thirty ninth, not the forty yet.

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<v Speaker 1>Jumping ahead, folks, but I assure you there is a

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<v Speaker 1>fortieth on the books. But this would be Boyd would

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<v Speaker 1>be the thirty ninth person executed in the United States

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<v Speaker 1>this year. This year, we've been talking about this a

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<v Speaker 1>lot robes lately because this is the most executions we've

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<v Speaker 1>seen in the United States since twenty fifteen fourteen or

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<v Speaker 1>something like that. There's been an up to uptick, and

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<v Speaker 1>Alabama has in part been a part of leading the

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<v Speaker 1>way because they were the ones who right when states

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't find methods that were safe and that were deemed

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<v Speaker 1>legal to execute, they started using this nitrogen gas. And

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<v Speaker 1>this is now going to be the fifth Is it

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<v Speaker 1>the sixth or is it the how many have that

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<v Speaker 1>it might be the seventh, No, I got it right now.

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<v Speaker 1>This will be the seventh execution they've carried out using

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<v Speaker 1>nitrogen gas, which is a new and controversial, very controversial

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<v Speaker 1>method in roles we've seen in a few executions. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>some things, at least from the witnesses who see these,

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<v Speaker 1>think that maybe these men are going through a little

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<v Speaker 1>more pain and discomfort than they should.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, this has been deemed controversial by several several folks

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<v Speaker 2>who say that there is real pain experienced by the inmate.

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<v Speaker 2>For a prolonged period of time where there's gasping, and

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<v Speaker 2>in particular, Anthony Boyd pointed out that he's asthmatic and

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<v Speaker 2>that he is is going to suffer perhaps more than

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<v Speaker 2>normal because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and here we are with him. He had again,

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<v Speaker 1>he he originally, this is why he's going to be

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<v Speaker 1>executed with this method against his wishes. When they decided

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<v Speaker 1>to start giving an option for nitrogen gas to death

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<v Speaker 1>row inmates, they had a thirty day window to pick

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<v Speaker 1>your poison, if you will firing squad, hanging, or this

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<v Speaker 1>nitrogen gas. He picked that initially, the thirty day window closed.

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<v Speaker 1>Then he said he learned more about the method. He

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<v Speaker 1>didn't have enough information, and once he got more information,

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<v Speaker 1>he was like, yeah, give me something else.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the fact that you would prefer to be

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<v Speaker 2>hanged is incredible to me. It shows the level of

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<v Speaker 2>fear you must have of the method they are suggesting

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<v Speaker 2>be used, or that they are going to use. That.

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<v Speaker 2>I can understand firing squad because you feel like it

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<v Speaker 2>would go over, it would be over quickly, But hanging

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<v Speaker 2>that sounds horrific. I mean, I can't even how.

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<v Speaker 1>Many still have hanging on the books. I wonder I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't there were three or something that I had firing squad.

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<v Speaker 1>We were kind of surprised by that three or four.

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<v Speaker 1>But hanging is still on the book. Now, nitrogen gas,

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<v Speaker 1>this is considered nitrogen hypoxia is this method, and it's

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<v Speaker 1>a way essentially of you suffocating by them denying your

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<v Speaker 1>body of oxygen. So they put a mask on you

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<v Speaker 1>and instead of you breathing in air, breathable air, breathable oxygen,

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<v Speaker 1>it's just nitrogen coming in through that mask. What was

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<v Speaker 1>that It was something about it was.

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<v Speaker 2>Like two minutes of gasping.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, there was someone described as having your insize

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<v Speaker 1>like vacuu sealed or something. They just don't what that means,

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<v Speaker 1>what that does to your cells being denied oxygen like

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<v Speaker 1>that anyway, But that's the method, and it's been deemed legal,

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<v Speaker 1>and they are using it in Alabama, and they're going

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<v Speaker 1>to use it once again, it seems tomorrow Nightrope.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you mentioned this jury all those years ago

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<v Speaker 2>voted ten to two for the death penalty. Alabama and

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<v Speaker 2>Florida the only two states in this country where you

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<v Speaker 2>can have a non unanimous jury vote or you just

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<v Speaker 2>not be agreed upon unanimously to vote for death and

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<v Speaker 2>yet still get the death like majority rules versus unanimous

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<v Speaker 2>and yes, because that was surprising. And then of course

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama and Florida the two states where that is allowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that's not the only quirky thing going on in Alabama.

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<v Speaker 1>Stay here, cann't explain a new rule. They have their

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<v Speaker 1>regarding executions, which means that the next one that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to be carried out, Yes, they could schedule it for

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<v Speaker 1>a certain time, but they have folks a thirty hour

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<v Speaker 1>window in which they can carry out the execution because

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<v Speaker 1>they want to make sure they have enough time to

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<v Speaker 1>kill this man.

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<v Speaker 2>Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ, where

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<v Speaker 2>we are talking about fifty three year old Anthony Boyd.

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<v Speaker 2>He is set to die by nitrogen gas in the

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<v Speaker 2>state of Alabama at six pm on Thursday, that's tomorrow evening. However,

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<v Speaker 2>there actually is a larger window in which he could

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<v Speaker 2>be killed. When he gave that audio voice message to

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<v Speaker 2>the governor, we listened to it and it was interesting

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<v Speaker 2>because he said, I am Anthony Boyd. I'm scheduled to

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<v Speaker 2>die on October twenty third or October twenty four. He

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<v Speaker 2>actually had to name both days because he could die

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<v Speaker 2>on either day. Given this, we actually had to look

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<v Speaker 2>it up. This rule, this allowance that the state of

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<v Speaker 2>Alabama has created for themselves.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the only state when they put this rule

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<v Speaker 1>in the place in just a couple of years ago.

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<v Speaker 1>They were the only one. They might still be the

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<v Speaker 1>only one, but they give themselves a thirty hour window.

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<v Speaker 1>The Supreme Court there in the state allowed this because

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<v Speaker 1>they had three botched executions in a row. Two of

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<v Speaker 1>them they had to cancel because they couldn't find a

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<v Speaker 1>vein and couldn't get it done in time. The lethal

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<v Speaker 1>injection and those death warrants have specific days on them,

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<v Speaker 1>specific dates, so they started running up into midnight, and

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<v Speaker 1>so they say, we can't do it. So they had

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<v Speaker 1>to call off two executions, and then another execution went

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<v Speaker 1>on and on and on and on. So what they've

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<v Speaker 1>done robe is given themselves a window of time that

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<v Speaker 1>if anything goes on at the schedule time at six pm, oh,

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<v Speaker 1>we actually got until six o'clock the next morning to

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<v Speaker 1>finish the job. So they've given themselves starting at midnight tonight,

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<v Speaker 1>they can execute him at midnight local time anytime for

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<v Speaker 1>the next thirty hours. That's an incredible rule.

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<v Speaker 2>It's already unthinkable to imagine what goes through anyone's mind.

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<v Speaker 2>And yes, I know he is convicted of having committed

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<v Speaker 2>a horrific, heinous crime, but to know when you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to die, but somehow it seems even more anxiety inducing

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<v Speaker 2>to know there's a thirty hour window in which you

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<v Speaker 2>could die, that it could take that long, or there

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<v Speaker 2>could be that many complications, or just to imagine the

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<v Speaker 2>reason behind the need to give it a thirty hour

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<v Speaker 2>window would just mess with you even more.

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<v Speaker 1>They want to give themselves time, but they also like, hey,

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<v Speaker 1>if somebody wants to come in and step in and

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<v Speaker 1>there's a last minute something with the courts, you're allowing

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<v Speaker 1>some more time for that and some more breathing rooms

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<v Speaker 1>what they've given themselves. And so at midnight tonight they

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<v Speaker 1>are on the clock and they have to execute him

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<v Speaker 1>in this thirty hour window. As now the law and

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<v Speaker 1>the death Warren says for mister Anthony Boyd Rose is

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<v Speaker 1>another fascinating case. We didn't expect to necessarily knew an

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<v Speaker 1>execution was coming up, but we started doing a deeper

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<v Speaker 1>dive into this case, and here we go once.

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<v Speaker 2>Again and just with his impassioned plea to the governor.

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<v Speaker 2>It certainly just brought some humanity to a legal remedy

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<v Speaker 2>to crime that we have in this country that is

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<v Speaker 2>certainly controversial. But to hear the other side of it,

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<v Speaker 2>to hear from the inmate directly, we don't often get

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<v Speaker 2>to do that. Sometimes we try to wait for last

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<v Speaker 2>words or some sort of statement, but this was highly

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<v Speaker 2>unusual to hear. I've never heard anything quite like this

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<v Speaker 2>where you actually heard from the inmate making this plea.

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<v Speaker 2>But it'll be interesting to hear if he has final

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<v Speaker 2>words tomorrow evening as well.

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<v Speaker 1>That's always interesting to see. But folks, sorry about that.

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<v Speaker 1>Sabinis called glad Folks. We will keep an eye on

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<v Speaker 1>this one and we will do a follow up to

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<v Speaker 1>see what actually does happen in Alabama over the next

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<v Speaker 1>kind of forty eight hours. But in that thirty hour

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<v Speaker 1>wind over from now, we always appreciate you hanging and

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<v Speaker 1>spending some time with us. For now, I'm T. J.

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<v Speaker 1>Holmes on behalf of Give Me Roll Back talkyoso

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<v Speaker 2>H m