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Speaker 1: Hey there, folks, say, it is Wednesday, October twenty second,

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Speaker 1: and a man left a four minute voice message for

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Speaker 1: the governor of Alabama, please don't execute me, And with that,

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Speaker 1: welcome to this episode of Amy and TJ. Robes. That's

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Speaker 1: literally what he said, but it was more to it

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Speaker 1: than that. This death row inmate in Alabama wants the

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Speaker 1: governor to come see him before he's executed. And the

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Speaker 1: clock is ticking.

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Speaker 2: It certainly is. He is scheduled to die by nitrogen

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Speaker 2: gas at six pm tomorrow, that's Thursday evening. And in

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Speaker 2: this plea, he maintains his innocence, as he has for

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Speaker 2: more than thirty years. He was convicted. He was among

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Speaker 2: four people that were convicted in this kidnapping and murder

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Speaker 2: of a man in nineteen ninety three in the state

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Speaker 2: of Alabama. But again he has maintained his innocence and

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Speaker 2: he is begging the governor of Alabama to sit down

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Speaker 2: and talk with him, to look him in the eye.

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Speaker 1: And the man's name is Anthony Todd Boyd. And folks,

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Speaker 1: you have probably noticed here on our feed we have

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Speaker 1: covered quite a bit of executions because frankly, there have

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Speaker 1: been quite a bit in this country this year, we've

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Speaker 1: been talking about that this is another and you could

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Speaker 1: argue robes even though October has been a pretty busy month,

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Speaker 1: if you will, in executions, there's some people who will

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Speaker 1: roll their eyes and say they all say they're innocent.

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Speaker 1: And I understand that. I think there's everybody in prison,

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Speaker 1: a very few raising their hands and say yeah, I

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Speaker 1: here that have raised some serious questions. This seems to

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Speaker 2: Yes, and it's not just one or two people saying this.

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Speaker 2: The Death Penalty Information Center is a place we've actually

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Speaker 2: used a source of information for a lot of these executions,

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Speaker 2: but their latest headline published today, despite serious concerns about

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Speaker 2: trials fairness and Anthony Boyd's innocence, Alabama plans to execute

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Speaker 2: him using nitrogen gas. Yes, there are a lot of

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Speaker 2: questions about his representation at the time and the fact

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Speaker 2: that the only reason why or the only bit of

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Speaker 2: evidence used against him was eyewitness testimony, which we all

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Speaker 2: know is the least reliable. There was and is no

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Speaker 2: there were no fingerprints, forensics, nothing. So when you really

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Speaker 2: look at this case, when you're just obviously we're not

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Speaker 2: legal experts here, but it does draw into question whether

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Speaker 2: or not this man got a fair show.

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Speaker 1: Well, there are several of these executions or guys that

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Speaker 1: admitted guilt. There are several were there's not the innocence project.

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Speaker 1: They are banging down the door saying this person's innocence.

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Speaker 1: So no, there are some there aren't these questions, but

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Speaker 1: there seem to be too many, and several lately where

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Speaker 1: there are these questions. Even last week as we sit here,

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Speaker 1: one execution was stayed because there are questions about the innocence,

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Speaker 1: the guilty innocence of the man on death row that

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Speaker 1: was in Texas, Robert Robert Robertson, Robert Robertson. So this

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Speaker 1: does seem to be another and we're going to go

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Speaker 1: back at least maybe not a name you all know.

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Speaker 1: Anthony Todd Boyd is his name. He's fifty three at

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Speaker 1: this point. But he is waiting at the William C.

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Speaker 1: Holman Correctional Facility in Alabama. That is where they carry

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Speaker 1: out their executions. He is waiting to die now. He

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Speaker 1: is there, convicted, he's been on death row. When is

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Speaker 1: that that thirty.

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Speaker 2: Years robes from thirty plus years he.

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Speaker 1: Was convicted of the kidnapping and murder of a man

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Speaker 1: in nineteen ninety three. And he is again this is

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Speaker 1: not just this late hour. He has always maintained his innocence.

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Speaker 1: Now robes this crime is. I mean, it's pretty heinous

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Speaker 1: to hear what did take place where this was in

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Speaker 1: nineteen ninety three. Four men involved, Allegedly Boyd was one

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Speaker 1: but he has been convicted of it. He's not the

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Speaker 1: one who he helped, if you will, in this murder.

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Speaker 2: The eyewitness testimony that put him away said that something

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Speaker 2: he helped bind the legs or at least hold his legs.

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Speaker 2: But the victim in this case, Gregory Hughgelely, was kidnapped

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Speaker 2: by four men and then burned alive. They literally, according

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Speaker 1: So he ends up getting hauled in goes to trial.

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Speaker 1: Now this case, the prosecution's case was very much dependent

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Speaker 1: there was no physical evidence here. Even the state medical

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Speaker 2: Yes, so he had a court appointed attorney who was

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Speaker 2: paid a capped fee of one thousand dollars, and his attorney,

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Speaker 2: before the trial even started, complained and said, I don't

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Speaker 2: want this case. I can't take this on. This is

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Speaker 2: basically pro bono work. And the judge said, too bad.

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Speaker 2: You've got a month figure it out. A month to

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Speaker 2: prepare a case where a man's life is on the line,

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Speaker 2: a death penalty case. And so, according to several documents,

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Speaker 2: he did not call witnesses to corroborate where Anthony Boyd

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Speaker 2: said he was. He said he was at a birthday party.

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Speaker 2: He said he wasn't with this group he had. He

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Speaker 2: never looked at any of the prosecutorial witness sister talk

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Speaker 2: to them ahead of time. Here was the other issue.

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Speaker 2: The prosecutor in this case was his attorney's former boss.

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Speaker 2: So Anthony Boyd's court appointed attorney, who only made a

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Speaker 2: thousand bucks, who didn't want the case, had just left

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Speaker 1: Now, you don't have to be some legal scholar to

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Speaker 1: hear that and go, well, that doesn't sound right. It

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Speaker 1: doesn't That's not okay when somebody's life is on the line. Now,

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Speaker 1: the representation they talked about him getting sounds atrocious. And

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Speaker 1: even if you're trying to get off on a misdemeanor

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Speaker 1: a travesty when your own lawyer is saying out loud

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Speaker 2: Apparently he didn't put in many.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for a month for a death penalty case. So

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Speaker 1: those are some of the issues and the questions that

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Speaker 1: have come up. Look, he has been denied at every turn.

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Speaker 1: Know that this is not just a last minute appeal

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Speaker 1: where he's trying to get off death row. He's been

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Speaker 2: Oh No, he turned away and turned down time after time.

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Speaker 2: Even in October. There was a district judge. Did you

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you read some of her very tough language,

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Speaker 2: but she noted because he was trying to say he

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Speaker 2: nitrogen gas. But she basically just said you shouldn't expect

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Speaker 2: not to be in pain, that this is what happens

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Speaker 2: when you have a death sentence. You have physical pain

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Speaker 2: and you have mental pain, and you're probably going to

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Speaker 1: Yeah, the way she put it, it's an experience which

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Speaker 1: she's yes, I agree, she is right about that. But

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Speaker 1: but but Boyd has been trying at every turn the

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Speaker 1: governor that they've already said, Look, we have seen nothing,

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Speaker 1: nothing that exonerates this man. We see nothing that suggests

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Speaker 1: he is not guilty of participating in a heinous crime. Again,

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Speaker 1: he was alive. He was burned alive. That's an awful,

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Speaker 1: awful crime. But to Boyd's I say credit. But it

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Speaker 1: sounded as if as well, Rob you mentioned he said

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Speaker 1: pretty solid alibi.

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Speaker 2: He did. He and then he said he spent the

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Speaker 1: See again, there are plenty on the sign who say this.

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Speaker 1: We've had thirty years to do this, You had thirty

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Speaker 1: years to talk about this, and every quarter is taking

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Speaker 1: a look at your case has said no. And here

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Speaker 2: I know we listened to this voice memo though this plea,

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Speaker 2: this audio I haven't heard anything quite like that before

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Speaker 2: guy that you have scheduled an execution for. He says,

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Speaker 2: I'm asking, extending offering, giving you an invitation to please

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Speaker 2: is carried out, before an innocent man is executed, come

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Speaker 2: sit down with me and have a conversation with the

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Speaker 2: the guy that's innocent on Alabama's death row. He does

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Speaker 2: not mince words.

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Speaker 1: No. Look, it's a four minute plea and they played

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Speaker 1: it at a press conference his spiritual advisor. And yes,

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Speaker 1: It's supposed to bring attention, and it did, and it

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Speaker 2: They've already been shot down.

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Speaker 1: But come sit down and talk to me, he said

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Speaker 1: in there plenty of times, or at least on more

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Speaker 1: carry out the punishment. That was a interesting challenge. He

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Speaker 2: That was interesting, It was effective for me. That's right,

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Speaker 2: he said, Then please carry out the sentence. You're right.

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Speaker 2: It was a challenge because he's that sure that he

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Speaker 2: if she's saw him and heard him.

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Speaker 1: She would believe him.

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Speaker 2: That's hard to imagine, but he actually felt like that

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Speaker 2: was I mean, look, at this point, he doesn't have

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Speaker 2: any options.

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Speaker 1: No, at this point, I do not know if he

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Speaker 1: has a single one. Somebody could have a change of heart,

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Speaker 1: possibly something else could come up, but it looks like

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Speaker 1: this is not going to happen, and he is going

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Speaker 1: to be now the thirty ninth, excuse me, fortieth fortieth.

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Speaker 1: They'll have this right, he would be the fortieth. No,

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Speaker 1: he's going to be the thirty ninth, not the forty yet.

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Speaker 1: Jumping ahead, folks, but I assure you there is a

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Speaker 1: fortieth on the books. But this would be Boyd would

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Speaker 1: be the thirty ninth person executed in the United States

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Speaker 1: Alabama has in part been a part of leading the

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Speaker 1: this is now going to be the fifth Is it

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Speaker 1: the sixth or is it the how many have that

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Speaker 1: it might be the seventh, No, I got it right now.

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Speaker 1: This will be the seventh execution they've carried out using

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Speaker 1: nitrogen gas, which is a new and controversial, very controversial

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Speaker 1: method in roles we've seen in a few executions. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: some things, at least from the witnesses who see these,

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Speaker 2: Absolutely, this has been deemed controversial by several several folks

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Speaker 2: For a prolonged period of time where there's gasping, and

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Speaker 2: in particular, Anthony Boyd pointed out that he's asthmatic and

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and here we are with him. He had again,

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Speaker 1: your poison, if you will firing squad, hanging, or this

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Speaker 1: Then he said he learned more about the method. He

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Speaker 2: I mean, the fact that you would prefer to be

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Speaker 2: I can understand firing squad because you feel like it

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Speaker 2: that sounds horrific. I mean, I can't even how.

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Speaker 1: Many still have hanging on the books. I wonder I

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Speaker 1: But hanging is still on the book. Now, nitrogen gas,

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Speaker 1: this is considered nitrogen hypoxia is this method, and it's

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Speaker 1: it's just nitrogen coming in through that mask. What was

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Speaker 2: Like two minutes of gasping.

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Speaker 1: Well, yeah, there was someone described as having your insize

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Speaker 1: and they are using it in Alabama, and they're going

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Speaker 1: to use it once again, it seems tomorrow Nightrope.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and you mentioned this jury all those years ago

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Speaker 2: voted ten to two for the death penalty. Alabama and

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Speaker 2: Florida the only two states in this country where you

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Speaker 2: can have a non unanimous jury vote or you just

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Speaker 2: not be agreed upon unanimously to vote for death and

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Speaker 2: Alabama and Florida the two states where that is allowed.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's not the only quirky thing going on in Alabama.

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Speaker 1: Stay here, cann't explain a new rule. They have their

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Speaker 1: to be carried out, Yes, they could schedule it for

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Speaker 2: Welcome back to this edition of Amy and TJ, where

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Speaker 2: we are talking about fifty three year old Anthony Boyd.

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Speaker 2: He is set to die by nitrogen gas in the

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Speaker 2: state of Alabama at six pm on Thursday, that's tomorrow evening. However,

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Speaker 2: there actually is a larger window in which he could

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Speaker 2: be killed. When he gave that audio voice message to

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Speaker 2: because he said, I am Anthony Boyd. I'm scheduled to

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Speaker 2: actually had to name both days because he could die

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Speaker 2: on either day. Given this, we actually had to look

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Speaker 2: Alabama has created for themselves.

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Speaker 1: They were the only state when they put this rule

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Speaker 1: They were the only one. They might still be the

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Speaker 1: only one, but they give themselves a thirty hour window.

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Speaker 1: The Supreme Court there in the state allowed this because

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Speaker 1: they had three botched executions in a row. Two of

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Speaker 1: them they had to cancel because they couldn't find a

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Speaker 1: so they say, we can't do it. So they had

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Speaker 1: we actually got until six o'clock the next morning to

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Speaker 1: the next thirty hours. That's an incredible rule.

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Speaker 2: It's already unthinkable to imagine what goes through anyone's mind.

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Speaker 2: And yes, I know he is convicted of having committed

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Speaker 2: a horrific, heinous crime, but to know when you're going

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Speaker 2: to know there's a thirty hour window in which you

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Speaker 1: They want to give themselves time, but they also like, hey,

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Speaker 1: the death Warren says for mister Anthony Boyd Rose is

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Speaker 1: another fascinating case. We didn't expect to necessarily knew an

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Speaker 2: Again and just with his impassioned plea to the governor.

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Speaker 2: It certainly just brought some humanity to a legal remedy

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Speaker 2: to crime that we have in this country that is

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Speaker 2: certainly controversial. But to hear the other side of it,

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Speaker 2: to hear from the inmate directly, we don't often get

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Speaker 2: unusual to hear. I've never heard anything quite like this

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Speaker 2: But it'll be interesting to hear if he has final

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Speaker 1: That's always interesting to see. But folks, sorry about that.

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Speaker 1: Sabinis called glad Folks. We will keep an eye on

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Speaker 1: see what actually does happen in Alabama over the next

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Speaker 1: kind of forty eight hours. But in that thirty hour

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Speaker 1: wind over from now, we always appreciate you hanging and

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Speaker 1: spending some time with us. For now, I'm T. J.

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