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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show. Tonight we'll

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Speaker 1: review the Browns picks and other top signings from around

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Speaker 1: the NFL. This is the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: Here are your hosts, Ken Carmen and Nathan Zegura.

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Speaker 2: Six new Browns, the Kevin Stefanski's flock. How are they

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Speaker 2: work in? How will things work out? We talk about

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Speaker 2: it all during the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show, all

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Speaker 2: along the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. Good evening, friends,

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Speaker 2: Ken Carmen alongside of Nathan Zegura, mon frere evening to you.

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Speaker 3: Good evening and great to be with you. On an introduction,

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Speaker 3: you've got me said Stefanski's flock. I did not have

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Speaker 3: that on my bingo.

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Speaker 2: Come, I don't know what to say. Is his dog

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Speaker 2: pound his kennel? That's even better his kennel.

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Speaker 3: Sefanski's kennel supplied by Andrew Berry. Yes, very very nice.

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Speaker 2: All right, we gotta get goal with all these picks

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Speaker 2: because it's a fantastic weekend for the Cleveland Browns and

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Speaker 2: round two. We'll just start off with the tippy top

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Speaker 2: Local Kid heard his introductory press conference over the weekend.

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Speaker 2: Fantastic young man Mike Hall out of the Ohio State University. Now,

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Speaker 2: it's weird because you listed to some of the draft

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Speaker 2: people out there, and I think that this is going

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Speaker 2: to be a theme of this first segment here, Nathan,

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Speaker 2: where a lot of them going, I don't know what

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Speaker 2: they needed. They didn't know if they needed this to

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Speaker 2: that go. Well, they need defensive tackles. Everybody needs good

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Speaker 2: defensive tackles because you need that depth in that rotation

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Speaker 2: across the front four.

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Speaker 3: Well, it's not just defensive tackle, it's a pass rushing

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Speaker 3: defensive tackle, someone who can get up the field. And

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Speaker 3: as we heard Andrew Barris over the weekend, he's a

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Speaker 3: perfect scheme fit for what the Browns do. And this

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Speaker 3: is a guy with incredible athleticism. He flashes. He's got

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Speaker 3: to be more consistent. That's why he's probably there in

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Speaker 3: the second round. But for the Browns, you're getting exactly

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Speaker 3: what you want. And one of the stats that really

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Speaker 3: jumped out to me was was amongst the highest pressure

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Speaker 3: rates of any defensive tackle in college football last year,

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Speaker 3: but he had the quickest time to pressure of any

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Speaker 3: when you can get pressure quickly up the middle, when

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Speaker 3: you're about a team with Miles Garrett and Zadarius Smith,

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Speaker 3: he can be very very effective. And so that to

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Speaker 3: me was what I was looking for. Six to two,

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Speaker 3: a little under three hundred pounds, so a litt quote

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Speaker 3: unquote undersized. And that was some questions about that, which

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Speaker 3: I thought Andrew Berry answered very well, said, Who's the

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Speaker 3: greatest defensive tackle of all time? Aaron Donald? What they

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Speaker 3: say about him? Undersized. So if you can get up

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Speaker 3: the field and be disruptive, and so Michael Hall, I

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Speaker 3: talked about how this draft was in many ways about

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Speaker 3: succession planning. You've got Shelby Harris on a one year deal,

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Speaker 3: Quentin Jefferson on a one year deal, No Hurst on

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Speaker 3: a role and I think he can. And the Nickels

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Speaker 3: sub packages as a pass rusher this year for Jim

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Speaker 3: Schwartz and Ken I can tell you this. You remember

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Speaker 3: watching Jim Schwartz and that beautiful baby blue blazer walk

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Speaker 3: right out here he was. The smile on his face

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Speaker 3: gave away the fact. We're like, oh, well, they drafted

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Speaker 3: And I'll tell you they received more than eight phone

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Speaker 3: calls while they were on the clock with opportunities to

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Speaker 3: and they stayed there and they got him.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, especially with that run that happened earlier, you knew

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Speaker 2: they get Zack Zenter, a guard from Michigan. I was

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Speaker 2: So I was surprised about Mike Hall this. I was

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Speaker 3: First of all, how did you survive on your own

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Speaker 2: I didn't realize that the Cavs are going to lose

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Speaker 2: Everybody just wanted to yell at the kid. I hate

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Speaker 2: distract them obviously, but yeah, people were certainly importantly thinking

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Speaker 3: Yes, Zach Ziner feels like the kind of pick that

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Speaker 3: Joel Batonio was in the sense that I don't know

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Speaker 3: But I do think he's a guy that you're gonna

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Speaker 3: Zenner was a good, solid starter for our organization six

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Speaker 3: mold of Wyatt Teller. Now there was some scout talk

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Speaker 3: of things that we do in their offense under Jim Harball.

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Speaker 3: He was a unanimous All American, two time first team

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Speaker 3: what Kevin Sefanski said jumped out to them is that

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Speaker 3: You've got two Pro bowlers, You've got Potonio and Wyatt Teller.

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Speaker 3: But it allows for that succession planning. And that's one

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Speaker 3: paying two guys twelve million dollars a year that I

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Speaker 3: guarantee when Paul de Podesta Andrew Barring, Kevin says to

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Speaker 3: get together and they map out salary cap and where

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Speaker 2: So anybody does.

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Speaker 4: Nobody does.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, So this gives and by the way, you did

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Speaker 2: Well, you can start to see it come together, and

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Speaker 2: it's how it takes shape, and it's really exciting to

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Speaker 2: see the future of the Browns offensive line. Okay, Round

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Speaker 2: five on Saturday, Jamari Thrash wide receiver out of Louisville,

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Speaker 3: I got a pro comparison to D. D. Westbrook who

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Speaker 3: They got a player, He's a route runner, he's got speed.

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Speaker 3: He's one of his favorite receivers in the draft in

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Speaker 3: terms of the guys that weren't you know, the Day

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Speaker 3: He is very honest in his evaluations. He's not always right, obviously,

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Speaker 2: Some people are a little critical of this, and the

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Speaker 2: reason why was because you had Jeremiah Trotter junior that

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Speaker 2: the Eagles traded up ahead of you got Jeremiah Trotter junior,

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Speaker 2: And he ended up getting Nathaniel Watson. Your thoughts on

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Speaker 2: Nathaniel Watson The linebackround in Mississippi State.

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Speaker 3: So Anderbarry was asked at in the press conference, and

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Speaker 3: in that in that front office, Howie Roseman's there. So

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Speaker 3: perhaps they had an idea. But do you think Jeremiah

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Speaker 3: Trotter Junior should be an Eagle anyway?

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Speaker 2: It feels like it's fate.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so, and maybe that's what they want to do.

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Speaker 3: But I know Nathaniel Watson was on the Browns radar

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Speaker 3: for a very very long time. He was a Buckets

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Speaker 3: last year. He led the SEC in sacks and tackles.

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Speaker 3: So when you look at our linebacker room right now,

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Speaker 3: what you see is we've got a lot of guys

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Speaker 3: Well welcome Nathaniel Watson. Two hundred and thirty five to

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Speaker 3: two hundred and forty five pounds six ' to two

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Speaker 3: and he's a great blitzer, so he can be kind

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Speaker 3: of remember Seoni Taki. Taki's role kind of as that

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Speaker 3: the quarterback. That's what I think Watson can do. And

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Speaker 3: I think that he's a guy that will have a

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Speaker 3: being a core special teams player. But I tell you what,

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Speaker 3: mj Emerson was fired up to get his teammate here.

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Speaker 3: And this was somebody that you never know when you're

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Speaker 3: saying pick two oh six that he's going to be there.

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Speaker 3: But you kind of identify guys in certain areas of

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Speaker 3: the draft that you would love to add to your program.

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Speaker 3: And Nathaniel Watson was on that list for the Cleveland Brouns.

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Speaker 3: It is amazing. And obviously he's not the fastest guy

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Speaker 4: Here again, King Carmen and Nathan Zigura.

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Speaker 2: Back of the cross Country Mortgage Campus Ken Crimon alongside

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Speaker 2: of Nathan Zegura and Nathan what's the one pick out

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Speaker 3: Kyle you know, and get to knock so many times

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Speaker 3: on that door brother? And unfortunately for him, he's had

436
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Speaker 3: three shots and quite frankly, in all three was in

437
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Speaker 3: a pretty good position to win them, and his team

438
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Speaker 3: was not able to get the job done. So those

439
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Speaker 3: would be my top two. Beyond that, It's tough. It's

440
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Speaker 3: tough say. I think you could a lot of people

441
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Speaker 3: like Baltimore. I think they've lost a little. I probably

442
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Speaker 3: think Cincinnati's maybe in a little bit of a better

443
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Speaker 3: spot than them. I still like Detroit. And then the

444
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Speaker 3: darling is the Houston Texans, who, on paper, if everything

445
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Speaker 3: you saw last year that was good continues in that

446
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Speaker 3: direction with the addition of a guy like Daniel Hunter

447
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Speaker 3: to their pass rush, they feel like a pretty formidable

448
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Speaker 3: team right now.

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Speaker 2: I know there's different camps. I still I'm a McVeigh guy.

450
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Speaker 2: I still think after these last couple of drafts, I

451
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Speaker 2: think they can replenish. It's just if Matthew Stafford's arm

452
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Speaker 2: can hold out. I think that they can be a

453
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Speaker 2: real threat to a couple of the teams in the NFC.

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Speaker 2: And I want to see if the Eagles can bounce

455
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Speaker 2: back after a terrible finish in December last year. So

456
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Speaker 2: there's definitely some intrigue there with these football teams.

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Speaker 3: It's loaded, the NFL's loaded, and I'll add another team

458
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Speaker 3: that you know last year obviously was not very good,

459
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Speaker 3: but this year feels like they should be quite good.

460
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Speaker 3: And that's if Aaron Rodgers comes back.

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Speaker 6: The Jets.

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Speaker 3: I mean you're talking about a team now. You got

463
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Speaker 3: Garrett Wilson on one side, Mike Williams on the other side.

464
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Speaker 3: You got Malachi Corley in the slot, you got Bryce

465
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Speaker 3: Hall in the backfield. I mean, and their D is sensational.

466
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Speaker 3: So if they can start scoring points, they're going to

467
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Speaker 3: be very difficult to deal with.

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Speaker 2: Speaking of sensational, Browns general manager Andrew Berry will sit

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Speaker 2: down with Nathan's go next on the Cleveland Browns Draft

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Speaker 2: Review Show on the University Hospitals Browns Radio Network.

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Speaker 4: This is the Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Browns Draft Review Show on the University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's

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Speaker 1: Radio Network.

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Speaker 4: Here again, Kane Carmen and Nathan Zigura, Welcome.

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Speaker 3: Back to the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show, all along

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Speaker 3: the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. Nathan Sagura very happy.

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Speaker 3: Now can we talk about the draft that actually was?

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Speaker 3: And I am joined by our general manager Andrew Berry. AB,

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Speaker 3: how are you? How are you feeling after a wild

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Speaker 3: few days?

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Speaker 6: Doing well?

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Speaker 7: Appreciate you having me, Nate a little bit more arrested

483
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Speaker 7: than I was coming out of Saturday night.

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Speaker 6: I bet I'm raring and ready to go.

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Speaker 3: We ended our interview last Monday when I asked, what

486
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Speaker 3: would this how would you categorize this draft being a success?

487
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Speaker 3: He said, if we maximized our resources. So did you

488
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Speaker 3: think you were able to do that?

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Speaker 6: I think time will really tell.

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Speaker 7: I think, you know, on the player front, they haven't

491
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Speaker 7: hit the grass yet, sir. That's you know, that's obviously

492
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Speaker 7: a big piece of it. I'd say, in like the

493
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Speaker 7: resource management piece, there were a couple opportunities that going

494
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Speaker 7: into the weekend we hoped would become become available to

495
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Speaker 7: us that you know that didn't, you know, because we

496
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Speaker 7: would have liked to turn six picks into a few more,

497
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Speaker 7: whether it was you know, present or future. But we

498
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Speaker 7: are excited about the group of players were able to

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Speaker 7: bring in.

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Speaker 3: Were you frustrated because I would imagine you've traded in

501
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Speaker 3: every single draft that you've been in except for this one.

502
00:21:21,560 --> 00:21:23,639
Speaker 3: The first time you just got to stand still. Was

503
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Speaker 3: that tough for you? Like, come on, maybe they're afraid

504
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Speaker 3: of you. I said it, I said it in the

505
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Speaker 3: Monday Show.

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Speaker 7: I don't think it was anything about in terms of colleague.

507
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Speaker 7: I think it's just more, you know, just sometimes the

508
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Speaker 7: ball bounces that way. Just sometimes you don't have the

509
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Speaker 7: opportunities that you hope are there, or sometimes you do,

510
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Speaker 7: but it's just the timing isn't right. So, but like

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Speaker 7: I said, we're happy with the guys that we were

512
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Speaker 7: able to select.

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Speaker 3: Let's start with the first pick in this draft, number

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Speaker 3: fifty four, Mike Hall, the defensive tackle out of Ohio State.

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Speaker 3: Before we get into him as a player, talk to

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Speaker 3: us about that circumstance, because we know a lot of

517
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Speaker 3: calls were being made and you that's one of those

518
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Speaker 3: situations where you wear have to wait. Do we want

519
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Speaker 3: to go trade and get more ass or we love

520
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Speaker 3: this guy, let's stay here and pick him. Yeah.

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Speaker 7: I think for us, when we were at fifty four,

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Speaker 7: we felt like Mike offered a skill set or you know,

523
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Speaker 7: offered a combination of strengths that are typically pretty hard

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Speaker 7: to find with just his interior rush ability. We feel

525
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Speaker 7: like there was really only a small number of guys

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Speaker 7: at the position this year that we could see at

527
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Speaker 7: maturity becoming featured interior rushers, and Mike was one of them.

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Speaker 7: You know, we felt like he was really the last

529
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Speaker 7: guy that fit our scheme, you know, that was on

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Speaker 7: the board that could do that. And so based on

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Speaker 7: the offers we received, we just didn't think that they

532
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Speaker 7: were strong enough. There was enough of a premium on them.

533
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Speaker 7: For us, I'm out of.

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Speaker 3: The pick and so you take my colin. One of

535
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Speaker 3: the stats I saw that I really liked was he

536
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Speaker 3: had the fourth best pass rush win rate over amongst

537
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Speaker 3: the like the big time defensive tax LIS draft, but

538
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Speaker 3: he was number one in time to pressure. He got

539
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Speaker 3: there in just under three seconds and some of the

540
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Speaker 3: others big names were three and a half four seconds.

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Speaker 3: That's an eternity in the NFL. If you get a

542
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Speaker 3: guy who can get the arter back in nunder three seconds,

543
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Speaker 3: that's a big deal.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, when we actually look at i'd say lineman in general,

545
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Speaker 7: whether it's rushers or offensive linemen and pass protection, we

546
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Speaker 7: actually measure them based on early pressures and late pressures,

547
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Speaker 7: you know, whether it's allowed or created. Yea, because there

548
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Speaker 7: is a there is a pretty big defense difference, and

549
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Speaker 7: particularly you know with the defensive tackles. It really is

550
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Speaker 7: about quick pressure, getting the quarterback quickly, and and Mike

551
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Speaker 7: was really good at that throughout his career and we

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Speaker 7: you know, we're actually very hopeful that that he'll continue

553
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Speaker 7: that trend as a pro.

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Speaker 3: I can tell you Jim Schwartz as he walked, so

555
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Speaker 3: we were we weren't having anything tipped to us on

556
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Speaker 3: the radio show that night. But we saw Jim Schwartz

557
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Speaker 3: walk out after I guess the pick was made but

558
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,760
Speaker 3: had not been announced, and we all saw the smile

559
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Speaker 3: stage like it has to be a defensive guy, and

560
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Speaker 3: sure enough it was there with my call. Then you

561
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Speaker 3: come back on the lines and you've talked about that

562
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Speaker 3: will always be strong in the trenches, and a pick

563
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Speaker 3: that you know, all American, all big ten, big mauling

564
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Speaker 3: guard on an offensive line that dominated college football really

565
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Speaker 3: for the last three years or so. He's a big

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Speaker 3: reason why you get Zach Zinner there in that second

567
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Speaker 3: round at the guard position.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, Zach, Yeah, Zach we thought, honestly was one of

569
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Speaker 7: the best past protectors in the draft. Has an outstanding makeup.

570
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Speaker 7: He's played a lot of football in his college career.

571
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Speaker 7: He's played at a high level against really top notch competition.

572
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Speaker 7: So he was a really clean profile. I know we

573
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Speaker 7: had the broken leg at the end of the year,

574
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Speaker 7: but outside that, he was a really clean profile for us.

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Speaker 7: You know, he's already cleared, ready to go, so we

576
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Speaker 7: were pretty excited to get him in the third round.

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Speaker 3: He just strikes me when you read everything about him like,

578
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Speaker 3: this is a guy who's just gonna be started for

579
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Speaker 3: ten years in the league. Just what it kind of

580
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Speaker 3: feels like.

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Speaker 6: I mean, you you always hope that.

582
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Speaker 7: I don't think anyone can really say that with certain teams,

583
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Speaker 7: but you know, we're certainly hopeful that Zach will have

584
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Speaker 7: a nice, long career.

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Speaker 3: And we talked coming in that a lot of this

586
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Speaker 3: draft is going to be about succession planning, and Zach Zenter,

587
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Speaker 3: I think is a prime example of that.

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Speaker 4: Right.

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Speaker 3: We don't want him to play any snaps this year

590
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Speaker 3: behind Joel and White obviously, but in the future there's

591
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Speaker 3: gonna be a time when you're gonna need him to

592
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Speaker 3: be a starter.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think I think that's that's fair that.

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Speaker 7: You know, we want young players to be able to

595
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Speaker 7: progress as is appropriate for them. We do view Zach

596
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Speaker 7: as a player that has starting potential in our offense, uh,

597
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Speaker 7: and we think that he's going to be able to,

598
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Speaker 7: you know, grow and learn and develop with some of

599
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 7: the best teachers and one of the best of the

600
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Speaker 7: line rooms in the league.

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Speaker 3: Right, you get into Day three, and one thing I've

602
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Speaker 3: picked up from you over the years that in Day

603
00:25:26,600 --> 00:25:30,040
Speaker 3: three you're trying to identify a particular trait or skill set.

604
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Speaker 3: While we know that the whole picture is not perfect

605
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Speaker 3: because they wouldn't be there in the fifth, sixth, seventh round,

606
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Speaker 3: but we're trying to identify something. So if you could

607
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Speaker 3: go along when we talked about these guys, will start

608
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Speaker 3: with Jamari Thrash, the wide receiver out of Louisville previously

609
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Speaker 3: Georgia State. What's kind of what made him an appealing

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Speaker 3: target for you to be a Cleveland Brown.

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Speaker 6: It was really his separation ability.

612
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Speaker 7: He's a player in college who was able to separate

613
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Speaker 7: both vertically and laterally. You know, he's not necessarily a

614
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Speaker 7: big guy, not necessarily strong, but he is a very

615
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Speaker 7: refined route runner. He has great quickness, and he's also

616
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Speaker 7: really good with the ball in his hands. So it

617
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Speaker 7: really was probably the separation in the in the rack

618
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Speaker 7: that that drew us to Jamari.

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Speaker 3: Does he have a potential role as a returner.

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Speaker 7: That's not really as much in his profile, to be honest.

621
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Speaker 7: You know, he can play outside and inside. He'll he'll

622
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Speaker 7: be what we call a good choice route runner within

623
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Speaker 7: our offense, but the return skill set is not necessarily

624
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Speaker 7: what drew us to him.

625
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Speaker 3: I don't know if you saw Steve Smith's comments, but

626
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Speaker 3: Steve Smith's a big fan of Jamari Thrashing.

627
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Speaker 6: I did see. I did not see that a.

628
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Speaker 3: Complete wide receiver.

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Speaker 6: So hopefully right, shall see?

630
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Speaker 8: Right?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hopefully ice up. Let's go all right? Then in

632
00:26:36,040 --> 00:26:38,880
Speaker 3: the sixth round, we get Nathaniel Watson, teammate of MJ

633
00:26:39,000 --> 00:26:41,440
Speaker 3: Emerson's a Mississippi State and I mean, you just read

634
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Speaker 3: his profile. Ten sacks, one hundred and thirty seven tackles,

635
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Speaker 3: SEC defensive player of the Year, and typically if you're

636
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Speaker 3: the best DEFENSEI player in the best conference in college football,

637
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Speaker 3: or arguably big ten right there as well, you're going earlier.

638
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Speaker 3: But this guy just seems productive and big, and I

639
00:26:55,440 --> 00:26:56,960
Speaker 3: know you wanted a big body in that room.

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Speaker 7: Yeah, I think Nathaniel He's played a lot of football.

641
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:04,040
Speaker 7: He's got a very very very high football IQ. You know,

642
00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:06,600
Speaker 7: our defense is really predicated on speed and range. But

643
00:27:06,600 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 7: that's not to say that there isn't a a role

644
00:27:10,440 --> 00:27:13,040
Speaker 7: for someone who provides a little bit more thump, provided

645
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:15,640
Speaker 7: that they can run well enough, which Nathaniel can. Yes,

646
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:17,920
Speaker 7: but we we view him in a base down role.

647
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:21,120
Speaker 7: I think he's a good you know blitzer and pass

648
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:24,080
Speaker 7: rusher relative to the off the ball linebacker position. So

649
00:27:24,840 --> 00:27:27,000
Speaker 7: he's a guy who can play really Mike and Sam

650
00:27:27,040 --> 00:27:28,480
Speaker 7: for us, and we're excited to work with him.

651
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Speaker 3: So in some ways, you know Sioni Taki Taki who

652
00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:33,560
Speaker 3: is now with New England but was so great while

653
00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:35,800
Speaker 3: he was here, kind of gave you that physical presence.

654
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Speaker 3: But I would remember a lot of the fronts that

655
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Speaker 3: Jim Schwartz will put together in his pressure packages. He

656
00:27:39,280 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 3: would be on the line and blitzing. Is that that's

657
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Speaker 3: something that Nathaniel Watson can do.

658
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Speaker 7: I think that's something that we we certainly want to

659
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Speaker 7: see once we get him in the Guys like he it.

660
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Speaker 7: We think that that's something that he has the you know,

661
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Speaker 7: the versatility to do, but we won't know until we get.

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Speaker 6: Him in the building.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 3: Then we go to the seventh round. Two picks here

665
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Speaker 3: the first Miles Harden out of South Dakota. Good ball production,

666
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Speaker 3: willing tackler. Seems like he can play inside, outside, can

667
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Speaker 3: play z own, can play man. It seems kind of

668
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Speaker 3: like a gem. A lot of people thought this was

669
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Speaker 3: a very very good value pick.

670
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Speaker 7: Yeah, Miles, we think he's a good small, cool corner.

671
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Speaker 7: He's tough, he's got good instincts, he's athletic, good ball skills.

672
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Speaker 7: I think he profiles a little bit more as a

673
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Speaker 7: nickel for you know, for us, and then even possibly

674
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Speaker 7: in some packages maybe a little bit of safety. So

675
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Speaker 7: we are excited to work with him. He's a good

676
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Speaker 7: developmental player and we think he could be a virtual

677
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Speaker 7: piece on the back end for us.

678
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Speaker 3: We say safety could maybe like kind of a when

679
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Speaker 3: he comes down, kind of put a safety in that

680
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 3: nickel role to give you the tackle advantage. I like that.

681
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Speaker 3: And then in the final round, this guy is built.

682
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Speaker 3: I mean Juwan Briggs out of Cincinnati. That's an impressive looking,

683
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Speaker 3: just physical human being.

684
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Speaker 7: Juwan, and we had the pleasure of spending a lot

685
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Speaker 7: of time with him throughout the process. Yeah, he did

686
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Speaker 7: write me a nice note. He came and visited for

687
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Speaker 7: one of our thirty visits in the spring. You know,

688
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Speaker 7: he's a guy who plays with a very high motor.

689
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:07,040
Speaker 7: He's got good quickness. He plays our style of football

690
00:29:07,880 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 7: in terms of the attack front, where it's getting up

691
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Speaker 7: the field and being disruptive. So I know, you know,

692
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Speaker 7: Jock and Jim and our defensive coaching staff.

693
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Speaker 6: They're excited to work with him.

694
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Speaker 7: And you know we're we're excited to have him back

695
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Speaker 7: in Cleveland.

696
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Speaker 3: So now you've got at least the initial kind of

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Speaker 3: setup of I think eighty nine maybe once we get

698
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Speaker 3: through undrafted free agents and I know you guys will

699
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Speaker 3: be announcing those shortly. Is there anything you can talk

700
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Speaker 3: about on those yet or not yet? Not the moment

701
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Speaker 3: I figured not when you kind of look at this

702
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,800
Speaker 3: roster that, I'll tell you what, Abe, there's so much

703
00:29:39,840 --> 00:29:43,160
Speaker 3: competition to be on this football team. There will be

704
00:29:43,280 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 3: names that our fans are very accustomed to that are

705
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Speaker 3: going to be fighting for their roster spots this fall.

706
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Speaker 3: You've always wanted to build a team that built competition. Well,

707
00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 3: guess what it's here.

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Speaker 7: We feel good about the quality and depth of the roster.

709
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Speaker 7: You know, we're not We're obviously not done. You know,

710
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Speaker 7: May will be a pretty important month as we see

711
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Speaker 7: our rookies in the building and on the grass. There

712
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Speaker 7: are a couple spots that we still want us fortify,

713
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Speaker 7: and obviously as we get into camp in preseason, scouting

714
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Speaker 7: will scour the rest of the lead to see if

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Speaker 7: there are other areas that we can upgrade. But like

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Speaker 7: as we sit here on April twenty ninth, you know,

717
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Speaker 7: we're we're looking forward to seeing these guys through Rotias.

718
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Speaker 3: When you think of all of the work that goes

719
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Speaker 3: into those three days in terms of your whole scouting operation,

720
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Speaker 3: the work that your road scouts put in, how do

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Speaker 3: you kind of quantify that or what's kind of your

722
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Speaker 3: sense of perhaps I'm sure gratitude. You love the collaboration

723
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Speaker 3: of it, but for all the people that it takes

724
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Speaker 3: to have a draft the way that you guys have

725
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Speaker 3: done over the last five years, it takes.

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Speaker 6: A ton of team work.

727
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Speaker 7: We talk about football being the consummate team sport. It's

728
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Speaker 7: not just the guys on the field, it's it's really

729
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Speaker 7: everyone involved in putting the team together, coaching the team,

730
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Speaker 7: developing the team, and then obviously our guys who play

731
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Speaker 7: they play the game.

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Speaker 6: And you know, I have a a.

733
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Speaker 7: Huge feeling of, as you mentioned, gratitude for all the

734
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Speaker 7: people who sacrifice countless hours to do quality work and

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Speaker 7: bring quality information. And you know, the weekend being a

736
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Speaker 7: culmination of that is always something that's really special at

737
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Speaker 7: the end, and.

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Speaker 3: Most certainly is now the real special Stuffskin on what

739
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Speaker 3: we can see is you know, I say, get these

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Speaker 3: guys on the grass and see what the twenty twenty

741
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Speaker 3: four Cleveland Browns look like. Well, Ab, thanks so much

742
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Speaker 3: for the time and hopefully this is another one of

743
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Speaker 3: your very fruitful drafts. Here as a general manager of

744
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Speaker 3: the Cleveland.

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Speaker 6: Browns, appreciate Nathan.

746
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Speaker 3: All right, we'll be back with more of the Cleveland

747
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Speaker 3: Browns Draft Review Show on the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns

748
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Speaker 3: Radio Network.

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Speaker 1: This is the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show on the

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Speaker 1: University Hospitals Cleveland Brown's Radio Network.

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00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:49,880
Speaker 4: Here again, King Carmen and Nathan Zigura, Welcome.

752
00:31:49,560 --> 00:31:52,000
Speaker 3: Back to the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show all along

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Speaker 3: the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns Radio Network. Nathan' zagura very

754
00:31:55,440 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 3: happy to be joined by my partner, the voice of

755
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,800
Speaker 3: your Cleveland Browns, Jim Donovan and Jim Gone are the

756
00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: days where the draft was the end all be all,

757
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 3: the super Bowl for the Cleveland Browns. The Super Bowl

758
00:32:06,200 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 3: is the Super Bowl. So in many ways, it was

759
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:11,360
Speaker 3: an uneventful weekend as the Browns added some players to

760
00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,880
Speaker 3: their roster, six of them over the course of three days.

761
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,280
Speaker 3: Andrew Berry didn't make a single trade for the first

762
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Speaker 3: time as GM. What kind of stood out to you

763
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Speaker 3: about this kind of maybe new era in drafting for

764
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Speaker 3: the Browns.

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Speaker 8: Well, you're right, it really is very, very different. It

766
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Speaker 8: really was our Super Bowl weekend as we would wait

767
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Speaker 8: for the top pick of the draft, and and we

768
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Speaker 8: had it a number of times, and so that was

769
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Speaker 8: our highlight film.

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Speaker 5: For the year. How the reaction was going to be.

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Speaker 5: This is very different.

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Speaker 8: I think it speaks to the roster and the way

773
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Speaker 8: it is pre draft, and it's very very strong and

774
00:32:43,440 --> 00:32:45,240
Speaker 8: in many ways, Nathan very set.

775
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Speaker 5: I think it speaks to the fact that this program.

776
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Speaker 8: Is moving right along after eleven and five year last

777
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:56,680
Speaker 8: year and a playoff appearance, and is ready to go now.

778
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:58,960
Speaker 8: I think you go into the weekend and you take

779
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Speaker 8: a look at some areas that you possibly can help yourself,

780
00:33:02,160 --> 00:33:05,800
Speaker 8: certainly with depth and I think and special teams towards

781
00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:06,600
Speaker 8: the latter part of.

782
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Speaker 5: The draft, and I think that was accomplished.

783
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Speaker 8: But as far as Wowsville, that is for the people,

784
00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:14,320
Speaker 8: that is for the Bears and people like that.

785
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:17,200
Speaker 5: That was us not too long ago, but not this year.

786
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Speaker 3: Certainly was Wowsville for the Bears as they were able

787
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,840
Speaker 3: to get Caleb Williams one which we knew, but then

788
00:33:21,920 --> 00:33:24,000
Speaker 3: Roma Dunesday as well. They add to Keenan Allen and

789
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 3: Dj Moore. So it's a pretty good spot for a

790
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:29,000
Speaker 3: rookie quarterback. But now Browns didn't get to pick until

791
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Speaker 3: the second round. Their first pick Mike Hall out of

792
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Speaker 3: the Ohio State University and a guy who can get

793
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Speaker 3: up the field, rush the passer. What'd you think of

794
00:33:35,640 --> 00:33:39,240
Speaker 3: that pick? And to have a local kid come home,

795
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Speaker 3: it's great, I really do.

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Speaker 8: And I think going into the draft, I think when

797
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Speaker 8: we tip took a look at maybe possibly the Browns

798
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Speaker 8: having some needs, I think the defensive line and the

799
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Speaker 8: youth of the defensive line to add you, I think

800
00:33:51,880 --> 00:33:54,280
Speaker 8: is a better way to say it. To add some

801
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:57,280
Speaker 8: youth to the defensive line was a direction that they

802
00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,640
Speaker 8: should probably look into. And then they ended up going

803
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Speaker 8: Michael Hall. I think that he comes off of a

804
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,520
Speaker 8: very good year collectively for Ohio State. Defensively, it was

805
00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:10,920
Speaker 8: a rejuvenated defense last year. He comes from a great

806
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:14,120
Speaker 8: coach too. I think Larry Johnson does a great job

807
00:34:14,160 --> 00:34:17,200
Speaker 8: with their defensive line down there at Ohio State and

808
00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:20,439
Speaker 8: He's many years at Penn State before that, and now

809
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:23,919
Speaker 8: he joins a great situation here, Nathan. All of these

810
00:34:23,960 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 8: guys that were drafted over the weekend for the Brons,

811
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Speaker 8: they really join a very very good situation in their

812
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 8: position groups. And for Michael Hall, I mean, there are

813
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Speaker 8: a lot of good, heady, veteran defensive linemen that are

814
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:39,319
Speaker 8: currently on the roster. Jacques Cesaire is going to be

815
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Speaker 8: their position coach, and Jim Schwartz is the coordinator.

816
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Speaker 5: That's a really good situation to walk into.

817
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Speaker 3: And not to mention the fact that he's got Miles

818
00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 3: Garrett and Zadaria Smith coming off the edges of forest

819
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,120
Speaker 3: quarterbacks to step up once. That's really stood out to

820
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Speaker 3: me about my call was he had the quickest pressure

821
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Speaker 3: rate of any defensive tackle in this draft. Got their's

822
00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 3: pressure started on average just under three seconds. So with

823
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Speaker 3: you think about how he fits in, I think he's

824
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 3: got a chance to maybe play a role in his

825
00:35:04,040 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 3: rookie year and some of those pass rushing obvious passing downs.

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Speaker 3: Do you think he's good? He feels like the one guy.

827
00:35:08,719 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 3: Do you agree that maybe has a chance to be

828
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Speaker 3: a part of a real rotation this year?

829
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Speaker 5: Absolutely. I think he will, no doubt about it, and

830
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Speaker 5: it would be good.

831
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Speaker 8: I think everybody looks for that inside pressure to get

832
00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:23,360
Speaker 8: the quarterback has so much attention, and deservedly so is

833
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 8: given to Miles Garrett and Zadarius Smith, but certainly to

834
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Speaker 8: Miles Garrett. I mean, you have to block him, and

835
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Speaker 8: you have to use a lot of people to do it,

836
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,719
Speaker 8: and sometimes that he isn't even going to get it done.

837
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Speaker 8: But if you can get that inside pressure, it really

838
00:35:37,280 --> 00:35:39,279
Speaker 8: works a great deal. And I know Jim Schwartz had

839
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Speaker 8: that in Philadelphia and he definitely has brought some of

840
00:35:42,640 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 8: that here and wants more of it here.

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Speaker 5: And I also think Nathan, it's just good.

842
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Speaker 8: To get a young defensive tackle like this kid that

843
00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:53,520
Speaker 8: you get in the system and he's your guy. You

844
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Speaker 8: can mold him, and I think that's very very important.

845
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Speaker 8: I love I've talked about this with you, you know,

846
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Speaker 8: certainly last week.

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Speaker 5: I love all the facts all the guys that have

848
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:04,360
Speaker 5: come back.

849
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Speaker 8: I really do, because I thought they did a great

850
00:36:06,480 --> 00:36:08,440
Speaker 8: job and A they wanted to come back and B

851
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Speaker 8: they got them back.

852
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Speaker 5: But you'd like to get your own guys.

853
00:36:11,960 --> 00:36:15,240
Speaker 8: Too, these young guys to develop and to rub elbows

854
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:16,360
Speaker 8: with these veteran guys.

855
00:36:16,600 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you need it. And here's the thing about

856
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Speaker 3: Andrew Berry is when he's picking somebody in round one

857
00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:26,320
Speaker 3: or round two, he's looking for upside, but also salary

858
00:36:26,320 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: cap is in the back of his mind because if

859
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:29,799
Speaker 3: you are an interior pass rusher in this league, now

860
00:36:29,880 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 3: you command twenty to twenty five million dollars. So if

861
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Speaker 3: you can find one of those guys on a rookie contract,

862
00:36:34,000 --> 00:36:37,040
Speaker 3: that's a massive salary cap saving for the Browns. Now,

863
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 3: you start on the line defensively. The next round, round three,

864
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:42,200
Speaker 3: you go to the line offensively. And we were thinking

865
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Speaker 3: maybe tackle going into it as a succession plan. They said, no,

866
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Speaker 3: we're going to get Zack Zenner. We're going to succession

867
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Speaker 3: plan at the guard position behind our two Pro bowlers.

868
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Speaker 3: Joel BUTTONI on Wyatt Teller, I'll have to.

869
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Speaker 8: Tell you I thought he was a terrific offensive lineman,

870
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Speaker 8: great guard on a really good offensive line at Michigan.

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Speaker 8: I mean, an offense that went into every game and said, hey,

872
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Speaker 8: we are going to run the ball, and we're going

873
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:06,600
Speaker 8: to run it. I mean, my goodness, Nathan. In the

874
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:09,400
Speaker 8: game against Penn State, they didn't throw a pass the

875
00:37:09,520 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 8: entire second half. You know, in Happy Valley, they just

876
00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,000
Speaker 8: were so confident in their run game, and he was

877
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,440
Speaker 8: a big part of that. I go back to the

878
00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,080
Speaker 8: Ohio State Michigan game when he had that awful moment

879
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:25,040
Speaker 8: when he suffered that serious broken leg and the silence

880
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 8: in the big house in that stadium over one hundred

881
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:31,480
Speaker 8: and five thousand there at a key point in that game,

882
00:37:32,000 --> 00:37:35,279
Speaker 8: but the silence that just dropped over that stadium when

883
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,920
Speaker 8: he went down because he was such a leader on

884
00:37:37,960 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 8: that team and I felt for him, I felt for

885
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 8: his parents, and Michigan then kind of used that to

886
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,560
Speaker 8: I think they scored on the very next play, Blake

887
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 8: Krum went in for a touchdown, but he meant an

888
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:49,319
Speaker 8: awful lot.

889
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:50,280
Speaker 5: He's a great leader.

890
00:37:50,440 --> 00:37:52,600
Speaker 8: He's obviously a very smart kid if you follow his

891
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:54,960
Speaker 8: background where he went to high school, where he went

892
00:37:54,960 --> 00:37:57,240
Speaker 8: to school in the New England area.

893
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:58,439
Speaker 5: And he's done a great job.

894
00:37:58,640 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 8: But again now he she wins two great guards to

895
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:06,680
Speaker 8: learn from. And the other thing, Nathan is you know

896
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 8: why a teller played on a balky CAF muscle the

897
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,160
Speaker 8: last couple of years. He's really uh, he's a kind

898
00:38:12,160 --> 00:38:14,520
Speaker 8: of a chronic situation with that, and we saw what

899
00:38:14,600 --> 00:38:17,799
Speaker 8: happened when Joel Battanio had the backspasms and when he

900
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,440
Speaker 8: had the high ankle sprain of the playoff game. You know,

901
00:38:20,560 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 8: these guys need backup, and you know, so to have

902
00:38:23,160 --> 00:38:25,480
Speaker 8: a young guy like this, he'll be around a long time.

903
00:38:25,560 --> 00:38:26,719
Speaker 5: He's going to be a very good pro.

904
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:30,799
Speaker 3: I actually said to Andrew Berry earlier that he just

905
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:32,920
Speaker 3: feels like when you read his profile, when you watch him,

906
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:34,239
Speaker 3: this is the guy you're gonna draft. He's gonna be

907
00:38:34,280 --> 00:38:36,879
Speaker 3: started for ten years. It's just what he said. Yeah,

908
00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,799
Speaker 3: hopefully that comes to fruition. That would be a very

909
00:38:38,800 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 3: good thing for the Cleveland Browns.

910
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:40,759
Speaker 4: And you were right.

911
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:42,359
Speaker 3: They scored on the very next play in Blake corm

912
00:38:42,360 --> 00:38:45,200
Speaker 3: actually flashed sixty five, which was Zax Center's number, in

913
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:47,000
Speaker 3: the end zone after that, showing you the impact he

914
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 3: had on his teammates. So that was it for Day two.

915
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,360
Speaker 3: Mike Callsaxentner going to Day three, you start with a

916
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,759
Speaker 3: wide receiver Jamari Thrash out of Louisville.

917
00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:56,399
Speaker 8: I mean, you know, Nathan, I think when you get

918
00:38:56,400 --> 00:38:59,520
Speaker 8: into that point in the draft, and definitely as you're

919
00:38:59,520 --> 00:39:02,959
Speaker 8: talking why receivers, the first thing that comes to mind is, boy,

920
00:39:02,960 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 8: they have to be fast. They really do. You have

921
00:39:05,800 --> 00:39:07,600
Speaker 8: to be fast. You have to be fast nowadays in

922
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:10,640
Speaker 8: the NFL anyway. But if you're going to go down

923
00:39:10,760 --> 00:39:12,680
Speaker 8: that far in a pretty rich draft as far as

924
00:39:12,719 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 8: wide receivers are concerned, I think that this kid shows

925
00:39:16,640 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 8: all the ability to run past people, and that's going

926
00:39:19,440 --> 00:39:23,240
Speaker 8: to be very important again. Now he joins a very

927
00:39:23,400 --> 00:39:27,920
Speaker 8: very crowded, talented room led by the greater Mari Cooper.

928
00:39:28,160 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 8: When you can put a young receiver with a guy

929
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:32,200
Speaker 8: like that, that.

930
00:39:32,680 --> 00:39:34,879
Speaker 5: Really becomes you know, and good coaching too.

931
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,600
Speaker 8: I mean, Chad o'sheay and his people do a great job,

932
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 8: and he's going to fit into an offense. But to

933
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,239
Speaker 8: learn the game from a guy like Kamari Cooper, like

934
00:39:42,280 --> 00:39:44,759
Speaker 8: we talked about with the other two players, I mean

935
00:39:44,760 --> 00:39:47,160
Speaker 8: that that is really something that helps them a great

936
00:39:47,160 --> 00:39:49,719
Speaker 8: deal and helps their progress. It steps it up. I

937
00:39:49,760 --> 00:39:52,800
Speaker 8: think because they look at a player differently. Sometimes in

938
00:39:52,960 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 8: listening or hearing from a coach, you're.

939
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 3: Exactly right about that, and I think I'm going to

940
00:39:58,080 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 3: be exactly right about what I say. Next. Is a

941
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,400
Speaker 3: big linebacker. I know that's got you excited to get

942
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,640
Speaker 3: in the fantas in sixty five to two forty five

943
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 3: the SEC defensive player of the year, that's who they

944
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:12,080
Speaker 3: are able to get there in round six. And we've

945
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,399
Speaker 3: kind of needed that big thumper at times the only

946
00:40:14,440 --> 00:40:16,400
Speaker 3: Taki Taki's played that role very well for us. But

947
00:40:16,440 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 3: now he's in New England with the Patriots, So I

948
00:40:18,760 --> 00:40:20,280
Speaker 3: kind of liked that pick. What did you think about

949
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:23,080
Speaker 3: getting Watson and especially kind of the accolades that he comes.

950
00:40:22,840 --> 00:40:25,440
Speaker 5: With, which really I'm happy for it.

951
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 4: You're you're right.

952
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 8: I think it was a position and a style of

953
00:40:29,000 --> 00:40:32,200
Speaker 8: need that the Browns set out to get when they

954
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 8: started mentioning Taki Taki, and you know he can play

955
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 8: that kind of role, as you well know.

956
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:41,000
Speaker 5: And I think you share the thought with me. I

957
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:42,000
Speaker 5: love Taki Taki.

958
00:40:42,080 --> 00:40:44,640
Speaker 8: I loved it, loved him, loved the way he played,

959
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 8: loved how hard he played. Was so sad when he

960
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 8: got hurt down at Houston a couple of years ago,

961
00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 8: but then he came right back.

962
00:40:51,719 --> 00:40:53,120
Speaker 5: He just played with his heart and soul.

963
00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:56,040
Speaker 8: So if this guy can be like that, uh, then

964
00:40:56,160 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 8: they have found an adequate and equal replacement. And for

965
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,920
Speaker 8: Taki Taki, who had a very very important role on

966
00:41:04,000 --> 00:41:06,440
Speaker 8: that team talent wise, but also kind of a heart

967
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:09,319
Speaker 8: too that he played with and that's what you hope

968
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:10,279
Speaker 8: that this kid plays with.

969
00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 5: But it sounds like he can do that and we'll

970
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:13,480
Speaker 5: do that.

971
00:41:13,800 --> 00:41:15,080
Speaker 3: Isn't it exciting that we're going to go to this

972
00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:17,520
Speaker 3: rookie mini camp at the end, you know, end of

973
00:41:17,560 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 3: the next week, and you're, oh, let's see what we've

974
00:41:20,080 --> 00:41:22,600
Speaker 3: got here, But you're not. You're not looking for somebody

975
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 3: to come in and save a position, a starting job,

976
00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 3: any of it. It's so refreshing in many ways.

977
00:41:28,680 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 8: Oh, you remember the days, Nathan, when we would go

978
00:41:31,800 --> 00:41:33,520
Speaker 8: into the draft and say, hey, they have to come

979
00:41:33,520 --> 00:41:34,800
Speaker 8: out of this draft with.

980
00:41:34,920 --> 00:41:38,719
Speaker 5: Three to four starters. Starters, yes, starters on opening Day.

981
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:41,960
Speaker 5: Three or four of these guys over this weekend.

982
00:41:42,040 --> 00:41:44,080
Speaker 8: They have to be out on the field on Opening

983
00:41:44,120 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 8: Day and they're gonna have to play well for this

984
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 8: team to be successful. They're really throughout this draft and

985
00:41:50,080 --> 00:41:52,359
Speaker 8: there isn't a great deal of pressure. I mean, we're

986
00:41:52,360 --> 00:41:55,880
Speaker 8: talking about Michael Hall can be a rotational player, and

987
00:41:56,000 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 8: you know, and the linebacker he can comme in and

988
00:41:58,239 --> 00:42:01,399
Speaker 8: he can certainly help on special teams if not get

989
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 8: into a situation in the defense and center. Maybe you know,

990
00:42:05,760 --> 00:42:09,000
Speaker 8: let's hope he's healthy and learns a great deal. But

991
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:10,400
Speaker 8: I mean, I think we're going to look out there

992
00:42:10,400 --> 00:42:13,040
Speaker 8: and see Teller and Botonio out there, and he's going

993
00:42:13,120 --> 00:42:16,239
Speaker 8: to be an understudy. Yes, I think it's very It's

994
00:42:16,280 --> 00:42:18,840
Speaker 8: a great, great feeling, and it was a good feeling

995
00:42:18,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 8: going into the weekend knowing.

996
00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:23,319
Speaker 5: That, all right, it's the draft. We are where we are.

997
00:42:23,360 --> 00:42:24,879
Speaker 5: But where we are is pretty good.

998
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,520
Speaker 3: It certainly is, and you are pretty good. It is

999
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:29,440
Speaker 3: great to be with you. Jim, Thank you so much

1000
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:30,160
Speaker 3: for the time tonight.

1001
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 5: Boys, Nathan, look forward to talking some more.

1002
00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:33,479
Speaker 4: All right.

1003
00:42:33,520 --> 00:42:36,440
Speaker 3: That's the great Jim Donovan, the voice of your Cleveland Browns.

1004
00:42:36,480 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 3: We'll be back to wrap things up here on the

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1007
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:46,640
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Speaker 1: Browns Draft Review Show on the University Hospitals Cleveland Browns

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1010
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:55,040
Speaker 4: Here again, Kane Carmen and Nathan Sigura.

1011
00:42:56,840 --> 00:42:59,239
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Cleveland Browns Draft Review Show, All

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1013
00:43:03,000 --> 00:43:06,280
Speaker 3: the twenty twenty four NFL Draft is in the books

1014
00:43:06,320 --> 00:43:09,560
Speaker 3: for your Cleveland Browns. They made some additions on offense,

1015
00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 3: they made some additions on defense. Ultimately four players selected

1016
00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 3: to the defensive side of the ball too. On offense

1017
00:43:15,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 3: and again it started in round two with Mike Hall Junior,

1018
00:43:17,840 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle out of the Ohio State University. Round

1019
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 3: three saw Zack Zinner, the guard from Michigan, Round five,

1020
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Speaker 3: Jamari Thrastle, wide receiver from Louisville, Round six Nathaniel Wattson,

1021
00:43:27,400 --> 00:43:30,480
Speaker 3: the linebacker from Mississippi State, and then two seventh rounders,

1022
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Speaker 3: Miles Harden, the quarterback from South Dakota and Juwan Briggs,

1023
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:36,719
Speaker 3: the defensive tackle from Cincinnati. So what's next for this

1024
00:43:36,800 --> 00:43:38,600
Speaker 3: rookie class, Well, they're going to get in the building

1025
00:43:38,640 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 3: next week. They will have rookie mini camps starting on

1026
00:43:41,880 --> 00:43:44,759
Speaker 3: May tenth. May tenth through May twelfth, and so that's

1027
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Speaker 3: the opportunity to get to see those guys. That's the

1028
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,759
Speaker 3: rookie Mini camp and then also coming up in the

1029
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Speaker 3: next couple of weeks, the twenty twenty four NFL schedule release.

1030
00:43:53,320 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 3: Find out who the Browns are playing and where more importantly,

1031
00:43:57,400 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 3: actually when more importantly? And when is that? By week?

1032
00:44:00,280 --> 00:44:03,360
Speaker 3: Some talk of perhaps an international trip across the pond

1033
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:05,720
Speaker 3: to London for your Cleveland Browns in twenty twenty fourth.

1034
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 3: We'll just have to wait and see. For Ken Carmen,

1035
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,000
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Speaker 3: the Great Gibbe, and as always our assistant producers Oo

1038
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