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Speaker 6: It is Thursday, October third, twenty twenty four, Season twenty,
Speaker 6: episode number forty one. Welcome to the latest edition of
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Speaker 6: going to talk a little bit about the Pittsburgh defense
Speaker 6: versus the Cowboys offense. Yesterday we did break down the
Speaker 6: opposite the Cowboys offense, I mean Cowboys defense versus Pittsburgh's offense.
Speaker 6: A lot of interesting things on this defense. This is
Speaker 6: a very very good defense. So Brian will break down
Speaker 6: what the Cowboys will be facing this weekend and we'll
Speaker 6: get to some player evaluations, some offensive players that we
Speaker 6: have not talked about as much, and focus in a
Speaker 6: little bit on some of those wide receivers that you're
Speaker 6: probably going to see a little bit more of this
Speaker 6: weekend with Brandon Cooks being out. But we're going to
Speaker 6: start right there with injuries. There are two guys on
Speaker 6: the injury report that I think are most significantly worth
Speaker 6: talking about. Kayln Carson was limited in practice yesterday with
Speaker 6: a shoulder injury. He missed last week's game. The hope
Speaker 6: is that they can get him back this week, and
Speaker 6: then of course Brandon Cooks out presumably at least one week,
Speaker 6: maybe a few weeks with the knee injury. Let's talk
Speaker 6: first about Kayln Carson. Brian, what are we hearing there
Speaker 6: as far as his availability for the weekend.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were last week they they knew they weren't
Speaker 3: going to have him, and then this week it was
Speaker 3: going to be about, okay, try and get him uh
Speaker 3: onto the practice field in any way possible. And he's
Speaker 3: dealing with a shoulder bruise, so it was just a
Speaker 3: matter of with a bruise that's blood in the area there,
Speaker 3: you know, and getting that down and he's swelling any
Speaker 3: any things you know, you need to range emotion to
Speaker 3: be able to play corner. You know, you've got to
Speaker 3: be able to use your you gotta be able to
Speaker 3: extend and be able to to be able to defend balls.
Speaker 2: And things like that.
Speaker 3: Tackle tackle on the perimeter would be a really good
Speaker 3: thing to be able to do.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 3: But yeah, So they're going to work through him with
Speaker 3: him this week and see where they're they're at. So
Speaker 3: as we uh, we had yesterday's practice. Today, we'll see
Speaker 3: what the designation is today. But the the intent is
Speaker 3: to try and get him ready to go on on
Speaker 3: Sunday night in Pittsburgh. But it was looking like it
Speaker 3: was a you know, it's kind of a wait and
Speaker 3: see thing. But they're at least encouraged these out on
Speaker 3: the practice field again.
Speaker 5: A right, I have a question. Maybe it's me, but
Speaker 5: I feel like it's you.
Speaker 8: Okay.
Speaker 5: One, the practice report looked a lot better than I
Speaker 5: thought in my mind or what I was expecting, but
Speaker 5: looking at it, and it just popped into my head.
Speaker 5: And since we started having this conversation of how well
Speaker 5: are they practicing and all that isn't me And I
Speaker 5: was trying to go to the previous three weeks, But
Speaker 5: I feel like I never really see other teams resting
Speaker 5: their veterans like having and I are rest day.
Speaker 4: Well, let me clarify one thing real quick.
Speaker 6: I don't know that you necessarily have to designate rest
Speaker 6: for a veteran. So other teams may list the guys
Speaker 6: limited or out or on their practice report and they
Speaker 6: were doing it just to rest them. I think the
Speaker 6: Cowboys that seems to be more of a how we
Speaker 6: sing where they didn't rest more than anything else. But
Speaker 6: there may be other cause there are I know I
Speaker 6: look at other injury reports every single week, and we're
Speaker 6: gonna talk a little about some of the injuries that
Speaker 6: that the Pittsburgh Steelers have and and some of those guys,
Speaker 6: you know, they start off on DMP or they start
Speaker 6: off unlimited, and as the league goes on, it's fully
Speaker 6: and and I think some of that is probably resting guys,
Speaker 6: but again we don't know that for sure.
Speaker 5: And it's just curious because they just the way it's presented,
Speaker 5: it looks different. Like for example, if there's somebody uh
Speaker 5: dealing with something, it will say what the injury is,
Speaker 5: calf growing ankle, and then it'll be listed US limited
Speaker 5: but every time we see the practice report for these guys,
Speaker 5: and it's just a question that just popped into my
Speaker 5: head as I look at this, I'm like, hum, I
Speaker 5: never see them ceoposing teams listen it this way, and
Speaker 5: it makes me wonder, are they actually dealing with an injury?
Speaker 5: Which I'm sure everyone's banged up at this point, but
Speaker 5: it just brought it brought into my head, like what
Speaker 5: does that look like for other teams around the league?
Speaker 5: And are we resting these guys so much? Not to
Speaker 5: say that I don't want trouble, but I get it
Speaker 5: you have to rest and all that. I'm just curious
Speaker 5: as to what it all makes actually entails.
Speaker 3: You know, that's an interesting point you make because you
Speaker 3: wonder on Wednesday what kind of installation goes in on
Speaker 3: a practice? You know, is Thursday really your most important day?
Speaker 3: Is Friday your most important day?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 3: For installation? Are you just kind of basically going through
Speaker 3: things on Wednesday? Like are guys sitting out major parts
Speaker 3: of installation?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know, That's where that's where you get a little
Speaker 3: That's where the questions I would have, you know, if
Speaker 3: I was in the building across the way, you know,
Speaker 3: and we have this rest plan. My my concern would
Speaker 3: be if we were resting guys on major days of
Speaker 3: installation or is you know, like to me, it really
Speaker 3: kind of important short origin goal line, you know, especially
Speaker 3: the goal line, the red zone stuff. We're resting guys
Speaker 3: on the red zone.
Speaker 2: Area, then to me, that seems like a problem.
Speaker 3: You know, maybe we need to evaluate because if you
Speaker 3: remember one year, they're playing a game in Philadelphia and
Speaker 3: Amari Cooper wasn't on the field when they were down
Speaker 3: in the red zone and Mike McCarthy's they were asking
Speaker 3: why wasn't Amari in the game, and well, he hasn't.
Speaker 3: He didn't practice those plays, he didn't need. You know,
Speaker 3: we were better, We had a better chance with the
Speaker 3: guys that had practiced the plays. I'm thinking, damn, this
Speaker 3: is one of your best players and he's not on
Speaker 3: the field for a crucial part of the game trying
Speaker 3: to get the ball into the end zone. So it's
Speaker 3: a it's an interesting point you make, and I.
Speaker 8: Think it comes into my head just.
Speaker 3: I think I think Dallas listed lists their designations differently
Speaker 3: than a lot of teams.
Speaker 2: I just I think there's teams that rest their guys. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I do.
Speaker 3: But I wonder, I wonder if you could, if they
Speaker 3: could walk me through, if they could walk me through
Speaker 3: what would be a Wednesday? Is a Wednesday practice just
Speaker 3: normal down in distance? Is it first? Intends its second
Speaker 3: and sevens? Is it you know, third? And you know,
Speaker 3: I mean if it's if it's red zone, short yardage
Speaker 3: stuff like that, I want my guys practicing. If it's
Speaker 3: normal down in distant stuff, maybe I'm a little bit
Speaker 3: more open to Okay, my guys are not practicing this
Speaker 3: in this period today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And I think that the biggest thing is just
Speaker 6: does it help? Like I don't mind him doing whatever
Speaker 6: plan he wants to do for resting guys and making
Speaker 6: sure guys have what they need.
Speaker 4: The question is does it help?
Speaker 6: Does it see does it end up in resulting in
Speaker 6: them playing better and the team ultimately having team success?
Speaker 6: And that's the part where you know, you obviously don't
Speaker 6: really know, but that's what I would be, you know.
Speaker 3: Mostly unfortunately last year at the end of the season,
Speaker 3: you know, and if you talk to people, and I'm
Speaker 3: still friends with a lot of the medical staff guys,
Speaker 3: the one thing they appreciate about Mike McCarthy is his
Speaker 3: understanding of his players or his team's health.
Speaker 2: He gets that.
Speaker 3: They're like, hey, listen, we've worked with coaches and this
Speaker 3: staff a lot of these guys, Jim Mauer and those
Speaker 3: guys can go all the way back to Britt Brown.
Speaker 2: Those guys can go all the way back.
Speaker 3: To Jimmy Johnson in the early nineties. They've been here
Speaker 3: a long time, so they understand. They've been through coaches.
Speaker 3: They've been through Jimmy, They've been through you know, they've
Speaker 3: been through Chan Gaily's. They've been through Dave Campo's. They've
Speaker 3: been through Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, They've been through all, you.
Speaker 2: Know them all.
Speaker 3: I'm trying, but you know, it seems like Jimmy was
Speaker 3: a really good selection back in the day. I don't
Speaker 3: know why we all of a sudden we said he
Speaker 3: wasn't any good. But I'm just kidding. But the thing
Speaker 3: is is, you go through the coaches, you know, these
Speaker 3: these these these trainers are like, hey, you know, there's
Speaker 3: there's a lot of questions. You know, I remember Britt
Speaker 3: Brown like yelling at Parcels, Parcels yelling at him about
Speaker 3: you know, like you caddle these guys, you do this,
Speaker 3: you do that, and but it's like where where'd you
Speaker 3: get your training degree from? You know, And it was
Speaker 3: a lot of back and forth. And some of these
Speaker 3: coaches are very very you know, they're very like, you know, hey,
Speaker 3: practice play, Jason Garrett very much a if they practice,
Speaker 3: they're going to.
Speaker 2: Play, you know, and everybody else they don't and they're not.
Speaker 3: But this is where I'm concerned. I'm sorry being so
Speaker 3: long winded. That's just what I do. But the thing
Speaker 3: about it is at the end of the year, unfortunately,
Speaker 3: Tank Lawrence in an interview.
Speaker 2: Said that the team was tired.
Speaker 3: And I don't know if his words were the accurate
Speaker 3: or if he he was looking for something, but it
Speaker 3: described a team as he as he said, was tired.
Speaker 3: Then I had a chance or one oh five three
Speaker 3: the fan when we were at the Super Bowl in
Speaker 3: Las Vegas, had a chance to interview, you know, interview
Speaker 3: Cook's interview Gilmore and one of my colleagues asked, what's
Speaker 3: this thing about being tired? And you could see the
Speaker 3: look on gilmour in Cook's face like what do you
Speaker 3: mean tired? You know, they were like kind of eyes rolling,
Speaker 3: kind of thing. And I think maybe Tank used the
Speaker 3: wrong phrase. But the one thing that this coach will
Speaker 3: do this is my point, is he makes sure that
Speaker 3: his team is as.
Speaker 2: Fresh as possible.
Speaker 3: And now whether that's good enough or bad and I
Speaker 3: don't know, because they've been really fresh and going into
Speaker 3: playoffs and.
Speaker 2: The thing completely fall apart on him.
Speaker 3: So I admire him for knowing that. But I think
Speaker 3: the designation that he is, he's trying to like protect
Speaker 3: his guys. But also I would have the question if
Speaker 3: I was in the front office, are they missing anything
Speaker 3: on a Wednesday practice that's hurting us in a game?
Speaker 2: To Ambar's point, all right.
Speaker 4: Let's move on.
Speaker 6: Let's talk about the Pittsburgh injury report. There were some
Speaker 6: interesting interesting names on this report that did not practice yesterday.
Speaker 6: Really at two primary positions. You had a linebacker both
Speaker 6: Alex high Smith who was out with a groin injury
Speaker 6: and Nick Herbig who was also out with an ankle injury.
Speaker 6: And then you had two running backs Cordero Patterson who
Speaker 6: we talked about yesterday out with an ankle injury, and
Speaker 6: Jalen Warren we didn't talk as much about. But he's
Speaker 6: going out of their offense absolutely with an eat knee injury.
Speaker 6: Is there anything that that you're hearing on that, Brian?
Speaker 4: What you about those guys?
Speaker 3: Yeah, high Smith's not gonna play and that's and that
Speaker 3: is going to be a huge loss.
Speaker 2: So if you're going to if you're going to trade
Speaker 2: one of.
Speaker 3: Your best defensive players, you're one of your you know,
Speaker 3: you've got a couple of defensive players, you're you're losing
Speaker 3: when you start to talk about tank and then Parsons
Speaker 3: Alex high Smith opposite J. T. J. Watt is a
Speaker 3: is a really good combination. Herbig is the backup to Highsmith.
Speaker 3: So when high Smith goes out, Herbig comes in. Well,
Speaker 3: here's a guy that can also rush the passer. So
Speaker 3: now they're in a situation where no high Smith and
Speaker 3: we'll see what happens with Herbik here.
Speaker 2: With the ankle.
Speaker 3: But those would be big, big losses for the Steelers
Speaker 3: defense because the one thing that they will do is
Speaker 3: they will get after you. They're they're a four man
Speaker 3: rush get after you defense, you know, and they really
Speaker 3: don't rely on the blitz all that much. They really
Speaker 3: you know Turtle Austin the DC there, he wants to
Speaker 3: come get you with four. And it's funny. I look
Speaker 3: this up, Derek. They're one of the there. They're a
Speaker 3: weird team.
Speaker 2: They think.
Speaker 3: There's five teams in the league that when they bring
Speaker 3: more than four, their pressure numbers go down. And the
Speaker 3: Steelers are one of them. They want they want to
Speaker 3: rush you. When they bring that fifth rusher, they're numbers,
Speaker 3: their pressure numbers go down. There's four other teams that
Speaker 3: are like that.
Speaker 2: In the league.
Speaker 3: So it's kind of funny. You think, well, bring pressure,
Speaker 3: they can't block us all. Well, they bring pressure with
Speaker 3: the Steelers, you block them all and then you know,
Speaker 3: and they play a ton of zone defense, and that's
Speaker 3: been a problem for them. They play a ton of
Speaker 3: the zone defense, and they give up. They give up
Speaker 3: plays that way. The coverage plays off, there's passes underneath,
Speaker 3: there's run after catch, there's there's things. And when we
Speaker 3: get into this that you can I feel like you
Speaker 3: can attack these guys in a couple of different ways.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and real quick on those on those running backs
Speaker 6: as well. Yeah, to be honest with you, Najie Harris,
Speaker 6: he is their starter. He's the guy I'm least concerned
Speaker 6: about because I don't know if he's as dynamic as
Speaker 6: those other guys.
Speaker 3: They got a cowboy situation going on there. Yeah, I
Speaker 3: don't know if they're playing their best guy. To me,
Speaker 3: Patterson really isn't now Warren is. I think Warren's a
Speaker 3: good player, but he's been banged up. Patterson is not
Speaker 3: a running back. Patterson is a football player, football player
Speaker 3: exactly it. You know, they try to run a counter
Speaker 3: the other day, and backs will take a counter step.
Speaker 3: You know, they have this really nifty way of stabbing
Speaker 3: their foot and then and everybody goes one way and
Speaker 3: then they cut it back the other way. Patterson was
Speaker 3: kind of like a bourbon street drunk. He was kind
Speaker 3: of stumbling and then all of a sudden got his
Speaker 3: balance and then they hand him the ball into seven
Speaker 3: yard game yep, Because you know he's trying to do
Speaker 3: the running back counter but he can't do the counterstep.
Speaker 3: You know, if he was on Dancing with Stars, he'd
Speaker 3: be they'd boot him off kind.
Speaker 2: Of a thing.
Speaker 3: But yeah, he I mean, they've got Warren and Patterson
Speaker 3: are really their best backs. Harris is and they're a
Speaker 3: volume run team. We talked about that they are a
Speaker 3: volume run team that plays a ton of thirteen personnel
Speaker 3: that really doesn't take very good advantage of that.
Speaker 6: We're gonna take our first break, but I'll throw this
Speaker 6: out before we go, because I think it's gonna color
Speaker 6: a lot of the conversation that we're gonna have in
Speaker 6: this second segment about the Pittsburgh defense versus the Dallas offense.
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Speaker 3: So we met whether you may have weather delays what
Speaker 3: happened in Denver team, but you.
Speaker 6: Also have to think about it if it's a wet night,
Speaker 6: how much does that affect the passing game? Again, with
Speaker 6: two teams that don't have the greatest running games, but
Speaker 6: you know Pittsburgh likes to run it right and Dallas,
Speaker 6: who doesn't really run it and hasn't shown that it's
Speaker 6: really good at running it. If you get into one
Speaker 6: of those kind of messy games, I think that's going
Speaker 6: to change the complexion of what happens in this game.
Speaker 6: I think it's worth talking about. We'll do that when
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Speaker 6: Welcome back, second segment of the Break, Laughing Mats WBC
Speaker 6: Morty Studios at the start, what'd you say?
Speaker 4: What are you about to say?
Speaker 3: No, I was laughing at your story about mister Rooney
Speaker 3: just going through the line. You know, the Rooney family.
Speaker 3: I worked with Dan Junior, who was was an NFL
Speaker 3: Europe and he's the son of and Dan. Dan's scout
Speaker 3: for the Steelers. He doesn't want His wife's a doctor
Speaker 3: that live in Chapel Hill. You would never know that
Speaker 3: his family owns this Pittsburgh Steelers. He's like the most
Speaker 3: just play nice guy, you know, I mean, just hey,
Speaker 3: I just want to fit in, don't want to cause
Speaker 3: a problem. But like your family owns one of the
Speaker 3: most historic franchises and professional sports. But there's some of
Speaker 3: the nicest people.
Speaker 2: Real quick.
Speaker 3: If I could tell a story you talk about the
Speaker 3: Rooney just mister Rooney going through the line like everybody else,
Speaker 3: not cutting in or anything. Willington Mirror of the Giants,
Speaker 3: held an elevator for me one time. Yeah, he ever
Speaker 3: told you the story about I was at the was
Speaker 3: at the old Giant Stadium and like I was coming,
Speaker 3: I was flying around the corner, you know, and I
Speaker 3: was trying to I heard the elevator was closing, and
Speaker 3: I'm like, well, hold the elevator and all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: an arm like with a navy blazer and cuff links,
Speaker 3: probably some very expensive company. Yeah, and the arm comes
Speaker 3: out the elevator and I turned the corner. It opens
Speaker 3: and it was Willington Mirror, the owner of the Giants.
Speaker 3: He like stuck his arm out of the elevator and
Speaker 3: it and and I and I stopped, I mean in
Speaker 3: my tracks, and I go, mister Mirror, I'm really sorry.
Speaker 3: He goes, get on, Sun, come on, We're all going
Speaker 3: the same spot. And I'm like, well, thank you. He
Speaker 3: saw my cowboy, my my logo, like, oh here checking
Speaker 3: this out.
Speaker 10: Huh.
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yes, sir, just do a little scouty.
Speaker 3: He goes, all right, well enjoy and he got off
Speaker 3: in his air and I'm like, but yeah, here, hey,
Speaker 3: hold that elevator and is like the owner of the
Speaker 3: Giants like sticks his arm out to you know, like
Speaker 3: sacrifice for me.
Speaker 2: And I was like, oh gosh, what I just do.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 6: The story I was telling was in the break was
Speaker 6: we were in Pittsburgh for Rudy Families, mister Rooney the father. Yeah,
Speaker 6: and I think he's pasted since yes, but he was
Speaker 6: I was in the press box, and we were going
Speaker 6: through the line getting food and uh and then you
Speaker 6: just see this elderly gentleman standing in line, and by
Speaker 6: the way, you would never guess he was the owner
Speaker 6: of the Steelers. Like he was just you know, kind
Speaker 6: of just there and people would walk by and say,
Speaker 6: how you doing, mister Rooney, and how you going. But
Speaker 6: he just he got in line like everybody else, didn't
Speaker 6: jump the line, like they just got.
Speaker 4: In line, walked through, got his food and spoke to everyone.
Speaker 2: They asked it for his press box ticket. Now you know,
Speaker 2: they usually ask it if you're a we're your ticket,
Speaker 2: your president.
Speaker 6: Yeah you had a credential, shouts back when security wasn't
Speaker 6: what it is. Yeah, now you got eyes they're checking
Speaker 6: your eyes and everything else.
Speaker 2: But that's crazy.
Speaker 6: But no, it was just it was kind of it
Speaker 6: just stood out to me that he was so much
Speaker 6: just one of Again.
Speaker 3: There's a great history between these two franchises. I mean,
Speaker 3: trust me growing up in the seventies as a kid
Speaker 3: and the heartbreak that I had with these being a
Speaker 3: Cowboys fan and the Steelers, I mean there their roster
Speaker 3: was just as good as your rust and it was
Speaker 3: just a battle and the super Bowls were just so
Speaker 3: tough and heartbreak and just it was.
Speaker 2: It was tough.
Speaker 3: But there's a there's a great history that the Rooney
Speaker 3: family that was one of the pillars of the National
Speaker 3: Football League. They really are the Maras, the Rooneys, these
Speaker 3: old families that own these teams were They're incredible.
Speaker 2: The great part of why we all have jobs is
Speaker 2: because of.
Speaker 8: Iways here about the history of Oh my god, is crazy.
Speaker 5: As a current fan or you know, like in today's
Speaker 5: nowadays world, it doesn't feel like it really you don't.
Speaker 5: It was like you don't meet the Steelers of their.
Speaker 3: Last super Bowl was against them, you know, and you
Speaker 3: played a lot of Super Bowls before that with them.
Speaker 2: And seriously, they they had they had Hall of Fame players.
Speaker 2: I mean, they're rostered.
Speaker 3: You had Hall of Fame players like you'll see on
Speaker 3: the sidelines of the stadium. Just look at their ring
Speaker 3: of Honor that they have and the next legit it
Speaker 3: is like you're going, my gosh.
Speaker 6: You go through other stadiums and you'll you'll look up, yeah, exactly,
Speaker 6: the Steelers they got.
Speaker 4: I mean when I was a kid and I grew
Speaker 4: up in Houston.
Speaker 2: You saw it with Houston when I grew up in
Speaker 2: the Chuck Nolan.
Speaker 6: Yeah, there were two of my favorite players, like as
Speaker 6: a kid that I really looked up to mean Joe
Speaker 6: Green Frankel Harris Steelers. I wasn't a Steeler fan, but
Speaker 6: those two players just always stuck out to me, and
Speaker 6: they had that caliber of player.
Speaker 4: They just had a bunch of really really.
Speaker 6: Good players back in the day and and they've had
Speaker 6: a you know, over the years. And it's one of
Speaker 6: the things interesting things to me, probably more than any
Speaker 6: other franchise I can think of. There is a culture
Speaker 6: that seems to just be like when you say the
Speaker 6: Steeler Steeler football, it's been the same thing. Play tough defense, right,
Speaker 6: very physical defense, run the ball well like this has
Speaker 6: been like going back to the seventies. This has been
Speaker 6: their mantra and it's what they continue to do today.
Speaker 6: And it's just it's interesting.
Speaker 4: To me how they can. I mean, they've only had
Speaker 4: with three coaches in the.
Speaker 2: His three coaches since nineteen sixty nine.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so it's like they don't change coaches, but they
Speaker 6: keep the same culture pretty much. And that's probably how
Speaker 6: you do it. You don't change the coaches and you
Speaker 6: can just have this one culture that kind of keeps going,
Speaker 6: you know, generate every generation after generation.
Speaker 3: Every time you want to throw dirt on Mike Tomlin
Speaker 3: like he's lost his quarterbacks, he's done. He's he finds
Speaker 3: a way to get the team to eight.
Speaker 2: When sits up in the top, he is.
Speaker 3: Just always The last time they made it to the
Speaker 3: Super Bowl, Uh, it was against they lost the Packers.
Speaker 2: I think in your backyard here, I think that it.
Speaker 4: Was just twenty ten. Yeah, I think it was after
Speaker 4: two thousand and nine season.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, was it ten or was it eleven? Because
Speaker 2: it's somewhere in that run somewhere that tenn super Bowl.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, they they had been they'd won the Super
Speaker 3: Bowl before and they went in Detroit, they beat the
Speaker 3: Seattle and then but then but your last super Bowl
Speaker 3: was against them, and that was the one you won
Speaker 3: in a super Bowl thirty That's what.
Speaker 2: That one was. All right.
Speaker 6: So let's talk a little bit about this this Pittsburgh defense.
Speaker 6: Let's put it really let's put it all in the
Speaker 6: context too, of like they're they're going to have to
Speaker 6: play in some elements, So how is that going to
Speaker 6: affect what they're doing?
Speaker 4: What they want to do and what the Cowboys want
Speaker 4: to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is when you start to talk about there's
Speaker 3: a there's a common thread we're going to talk about here.
Speaker 2: Uh, when you know this.
Speaker 3: Is the third AFC nor team you've played, it's a
Speaker 3: common thread.
Speaker 2: Defensive line. That's what it's the whether.
Speaker 3: It's Cleveland Baltimore Steelers, it's about your defensive line. You
Speaker 3: can't function in that division unless you have good guys
Speaker 3: up front. And these guys might not have the name guys,
Speaker 3: they do have the TJ. Watt that that is the
Speaker 3: name that you're going to have to deal with. He's
Speaker 3: predominantly going to play over Terrence Steele. That's where he
Speaker 3: lines up. He lines up extremely wide, and he's going
Speaker 3: to rush. He's going to try and take you wide,
Speaker 3: and he's going to try and take you inside. Teams
Speaker 3: have found ways to chip him, you know, to keep him,
Speaker 3: you know, kind of make him distracted. Teams have run
Speaker 3: the ball at these defensive ends for the Steelers, and
Speaker 3: I think high Smith was a little bit better run
Speaker 3: defender now him out of the game, but her Big
Speaker 3: and Watt they're linear guys, They're thinner guys, and they're
Speaker 3: built to rush the passer and you get bodies out
Speaker 3: on them. In numbers people have done this where they've
Speaker 3: tossed the ball that direction and just got bodies and
Speaker 3: tried to mash them and had a little bit success
Speaker 3: doing that. So you know, when they can rush the passer,
Speaker 3: they got an advantage. When they have to play the run,
Speaker 3: it's a little bit of a problem for them to
Speaker 3: have to kind of defend the run that way, but
Speaker 3: what they make up for it is inside you have
Speaker 3: the nose tackle with Keanu Benton is a is a
Speaker 3: load to deal with inside. He's not your three hundred
Speaker 3: and fifty pound guy, but he's super active number five
Speaker 3: ninety five. He can he kind of beats up your center,
Speaker 3: he beats up your guard. Cameron Hayward, he's going to
Speaker 3: predominantly line up over Tyler Smith. And so when you
Speaker 3: start to talk about Cam Hayward, he can get pressure
Speaker 3: from the inside. So you got pressure from the edges,
Speaker 3: pressure from the middle. But the way that he his
Speaker 3: way he lines up, he's going to be against one
Speaker 3: of your better when and you look at you look
Speaker 3: at the metrics on Hayward is good at defensive tackle pressure.
Speaker 3: Tyler Smith is one of the best in the league
Speaker 3: when it comes to not allowing tackle pressure. So that's
Speaker 3: a good matchup, that's a good poss ability. How things
Speaker 3: are going to be played on the outside are going
Speaker 3: to be the key, as they always are. You know,
Speaker 3: how do you be able to handle what you know?
Speaker 3: I think that Patrick Queen, who they got from the
Speaker 3: Ravens is played in the games I've seen. He looks
Speaker 3: like a guesser right now. It might not be maybe
Speaker 3: he needed at the Ravens. He kind of had guys
Speaker 3: around him that could kind of help him with what
Speaker 3: was going on scheme wise. But when these guys give
Speaker 3: up a big play, an explosive play, it's a gamble
Speaker 3: or a guess is what happens. And when I say gamble,
Speaker 3: that's on the outside. We'll get to these cornerbacks here
Speaker 3: in a second. But Patrick Queen, there's some times in
Speaker 3: the running game, especially with the Chargers game, where they
Speaker 3: were able to kind of bend the ball back and
Speaker 3: they took advantage of how aggressive. But sometimes Patrick Queen
Speaker 3: will jump gaps. Peyton Wilson is a rookie linebacker. Loved
Speaker 3: him everybody in the Draft show. He's from North Carolina
Speaker 3: extremely banged up, doesn't have an ACL but is a
Speaker 3: tough player, and the Steelers took him in the third
Speaker 3: round and he's a very active guy as far as
Speaker 3: making tackles and things like that. Right now, he's playing
Speaker 3: better than what Queen. You'll see another one. You'll see
Speaker 3: number fifty Roberts in there as well. They kind of
Speaker 3: try when they try and kind of rotate their guys
Speaker 3: in the inside linebacker spot of it. But Queen is
Speaker 3: a guy that people have taken advantage of in the
Speaker 3: running game, and they've taken advantage of a little bit
Speaker 3: in the coverage aspect of putting him in coverage, he's
Speaker 3: had some problems with that in the secondary. Joey Porter Junior,
Speaker 3: they stole him in the second round in the twenty
Speaker 3: twenty three draft. He's one of the best corners. Last
Speaker 3: year he played a lot more tight window coverage. I mean,
Speaker 3: you look at it.
Speaker 2: I went back.
Speaker 3: I'm like, man, he looks like he's he struggled a
Speaker 3: little bit, but they playing a lot more zone coverage.
Speaker 3: And when he plays off, I don't think he's as
Speaker 3: good a player When he's on you. Then there's the
Speaker 3: tight window throws like last year it is fifty percent
Speaker 3: tight window throws. This year he's down. He's down, you know,
Speaker 3: well down tight one like again. I think a lot
Speaker 3: of it has to do with the zone coverage that
Speaker 3: they're playing here, him and then Dante Jackson number twenty six.
Speaker 3: They've struggled when that zone. You see routes break in front,
Speaker 3: you see routes down the field, they have to rally
Speaker 3: to tackle. They haven't played a lot of man coverage
Speaker 3: that way. And I'll be interested to see with Dallas's situation,
Speaker 3: do they allow Dallas to have free access and routes,
Speaker 3: especially with no Cooks involved. Now in this last game.
Speaker 3: In this last game, Porter and Jackson split, it was
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty on the sides they played. I was curious, like, hey,
Speaker 3: in college sometimes they play what we call a boundary corner,
Speaker 3: which is into the sidelines, and then they have a
Speaker 3: field corner, which plays the whole field. So I really
Speaker 3: couldn't get a gauge of why. But you will see
Speaker 3: Jackson and Porter flip sides, and I don't think it's
Speaker 3: I don't think it's a coverage thing. I think it's
Speaker 3: just they that's what they do. So in some games
Speaker 3: they'll play really fifty to fifty split and in other
Speaker 3: games you'll see them play more Porter to one side
Speaker 3: and Jackson to the other. They must have felt like
Speaker 3: against the Chargers there was something that they that they
Speaker 3: were on or the excuse me, the the one of
Speaker 3: the Chargers. It was the uh, the Colts they went
Speaker 3: fifty to fifty. The Chargers they played a little bit
Speaker 3: more station like the Porter stayed on one side and
Speaker 3: then Jackson was on the other. But they they have
Speaker 3: the capability of playing both sides. You know, with Dallas down,
Speaker 3: you know, down a receiver, we'll see they might just
Speaker 3: determine that, Hey, you know, we got to take Lamb
Speaker 3: out of this game, and if anybody else beats us,
Speaker 3: then then so be it. But they they will, they
Speaker 3: will flip sides on Amika Fitzpatrick.
Speaker 2: The safety is.
Speaker 3: Always around the ball. I mean he is always around
Speaker 3: the ball. Deshaun Elliott. Now, they've had some problems in
Speaker 3: their second arry with communication because they're given up. They've
Speaker 3: given up some plays and especially down in the red zone.
Speaker 3: It happened in the Colts game the other day. I
Speaker 3: was watching them, was confused because Patrick Queen was like
Speaker 3: yelling at Porter.
Speaker 2: Because of spacing.
Speaker 3: You see them learn like you know, they throw the
Speaker 3: ball inside it Joe Flackel, Boom, it's a touchdown right there.
Speaker 3: And then all of a sudden, you see, you know,
Speaker 3: Queen's like yelling at Porter, and Porter's kind of like,
Speaker 3: what you know, you got that?
Speaker 2: I got you know.
Speaker 3: So we'll see, let's see if this if the communication
Speaker 3: problems carry into this game. But you know it's going
Speaker 3: to be about if you're going to have to throw
Speaker 3: the ball, it's going to be have to be blocking
Speaker 3: t J.
Speaker 2: Watt.
Speaker 8: We're looking at it.
Speaker 5: I mean, they don't allow a lot of points other
Speaker 5: than the Colts game, which was twenty seven seventeen nothing
Speaker 5: before they knew.
Speaker 6: By the way, they are second in the league and
Speaker 6: points allowed, only allowing thirteen points per game. And the
Speaker 6: Indie India is the only team that's really been able
Speaker 6: to get their offense going.
Speaker 2: Really, yeah, they really they did a great job.
Speaker 3: Atlanta was awful in week one, and then they played
Speaker 3: a rookie quarterback in week two, you know, but they
Speaker 3: did a really nice job against Justin Herbert and against
Speaker 3: the Chargers.
Speaker 2: They limited what they can do.
Speaker 3: But the Chargers did make a couple of plays that
Speaker 3: kind of made me think, like, okay, Dallas, what you
Speaker 3: got to do with these guys is they will what
Speaker 3: I call bump coverage, and they if you bring motion.
Speaker 3: And this is the great mystery all of a sudden,
Speaker 3: but if you bring motion and you make them bump
Speaker 3: the coverage, you could set it up where you could
Speaker 3: put some of their weaker cover guys on your better players.
Speaker 3: You know, you could kind of set it up, but
Speaker 3: you gotta be willing to make them bump the coverage.
Speaker 2: Which means you got to use motion to do it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because the Chargers were able to do that and
Speaker 3: it caused it caused them a little problems. It was
Speaker 3: some pretty creative stuff that they were able to bump.
Speaker 3: And then they got the safety on a receiver and
Speaker 3: that was a bad matchup for them.
Speaker 2: So there's things you could capable do.
Speaker 3: This isn't the ninety the eighty five Bears of the
Speaker 3: two thousand Ravens defense.
Speaker 2: I mean, they've got.
Speaker 3: Good players, You've played some you've played some good defenses already,
Speaker 3: you know, and been able to handle things. But you
Speaker 3: just got to make sure you don't let Watt wreck
Speaker 3: this game for you.
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Speaker 6: at the Star Got I guess about eight minutes here,
Speaker 6: So let's talk about the wide receiver position. I have
Speaker 6: this question for you, as you look at the fact
Speaker 6: that Brandon Cooks will be out, which player would you
Speaker 6: think is more important that the Cowboys need to try
Speaker 6: to get involved in the absence of Brandon Cooks, Jalen Tolbert,
Speaker 6: Jalen Brooks or Cavante Turpin.
Speaker 5: See with Jalen tolver I really like him, I do,
Speaker 5: and I think he's done a really good job. But
Speaker 5: what it makes me wonder I'm with being let's say
Speaker 5: a number two and having more attention drawn his way,
Speaker 5: is he gonna be able to perform as good or
Speaker 5: make as many plays?
Speaker 8: So I don't know.
Speaker 5: And my answer that I give you it's not gonna
Speaker 5: matter because they're not gonna they won't do it, like,
Speaker 5: for example, cavan To Turping. I still think he's a
Speaker 5: very good weapon Brooks. We've seen him how good he
Speaker 5: can be. He's made a lot of plays when given
Speaker 5: the opportunity, even at practices, he's always shined. I think
Speaker 5: he can be very very good too as well, and
Speaker 5: I would love to see him be more involved.
Speaker 8: But I don't know.
Speaker 5: I see the possibility of all three of them being
Speaker 5: good for the offense, but.
Speaker 8: Is he gonna click? Are they gonna actually execute it
Speaker 8: very well? I don't know.
Speaker 2: If Weather's poor.
Speaker 3: To me, getting Turpin involved makes a lot of sense
Speaker 3: because if they're gonna play a lot of his own
Speaker 3: coverage and it's gonna be wet, put a guy on
Speaker 3: the move and make them if they're gonna play stationary
Speaker 3: guys and not really move, just hit a guy in
Speaker 3: the move and let him.
Speaker 2: Run, you know. Tolbert Brooks, Floornoy. I'll say this about
Speaker 2: about Tolbert.
Speaker 8: Do you think we'll see a lot of him? Floornoy?
Speaker 2: I would think so.
Speaker 4: It's probably gonna be acting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's gound be active. But but this is where
Speaker 3: this is where, this is where I would I would
Speaker 3: see Florinoy. If you're interested in running the football, and
Speaker 3: you're doing all your crack tall stuff, and you're putting
Speaker 3: you know, or you're throwing these bubble screens, and you
Speaker 3: have guys that are blocking out there, I'm tired of
Speaker 3: seeing Tolbert out there. Hold I'm saying I'm tired of
Speaker 3: seeing Tolbert get knocked on the ground. You know, I'm
Speaker 3: tired of. He's not a good blocker out there. He's
Speaker 3: not a good blocker in space efforts. Fine, his technique
Speaker 3: is poor. The one thing with Flornaway, you got a
Speaker 3: big guy, big body guy. This would be the audition
Speaker 3: that I would keep to think about. Okay, is this
Speaker 3: is this a guy that I want to keep on
Speaker 3: every week that can help me, you know, can catch balls,
Speaker 3: can also block in those tough running game situations, but
Speaker 3: also play some special teams. If I'm Flornay, I'm taking
Speaker 3: these next couple of weeks and trying my best to
Speaker 3: be on the forty eight every week, you know, and
Speaker 3: maybe he could show up better as a blocker than
Speaker 3: what we've seen from from uh, you know from from
Speaker 3: because we have it. We've seen holding calls, we've seen penalties, you.
Speaker 2: Know we haven't.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's made catches, but make catches, be able to block.
Speaker 3: But that's on the coaches though, too, you know, that's
Speaker 3: on the coaches.
Speaker 6: I'll say this, Brandon Cooks, and not to say that
Speaker 6: the Cowboys utilize it all the time, but the dimension
Speaker 6: that he adds to an offensive speed and the one
Speaker 6: guy on this list that I think has that kind
Speaker 6: of speed, is Cavante Turpin. I don't think the Cowboys
Speaker 6: take advantage of the speed that they have on the
Speaker 6: offensive side of the ball.
Speaker 8: But what I'm saying because even with Cooks healthy, right.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so we've seen that and they don't they don't.
Speaker 6: I mean, they primarily kind of have him run out
Speaker 6: and do you know curls hooks, you know, that's basically
Speaker 6: his route.
Speaker 3: Tree Pittsburgh has a similar offense, run of the sticks
Speaker 3: and curl Yeah.
Speaker 6: And I'm thinking, like, I think this is a game,
Speaker 6: and I'm assuming that you'll be able to you know,
Speaker 6: these are professional players.
Speaker 4: Even with rain, they should be able to throw the ball.
Speaker 6: I think there'll be some opportunities for Cavante Turpin if
Speaker 6: they're willing to use him, getting upfield and trying to
Speaker 6: to take some shots. I just don't know if they'll
Speaker 6: use it. But I do think that can give you
Speaker 6: He can give you that kind of game that you
Speaker 6: should have been getting from Brandon Cooks before whatever reason
Speaker 6: just don't consistently get it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Well, Hunter Lipke, I mean, he's another guy that he's
Speaker 5: shown to be able to catch them.
Speaker 3: Maybe maybe in a wet weather game, too. Hunder Lipke
Speaker 3: running the football not a not a bad option there.
Speaker 3: I mean, now you know when people say, well he
Speaker 3: needs to hold on the ball, well, that was one time.
Speaker 3: I think Hunter Lipkey has shown you he could play
Speaker 3: with balance, He's got vision, he's tough. Yeah, if it
Speaker 3: turns into okay, we're fighting for four and five yards
Speaker 3: of carry here. You know, Hunter Lipke would not be
Speaker 3: a bad option. Or throwing him the ball is not
Speaker 3: a bad option. He's not going to make a mistake
Speaker 3: that way. He's going to make plays for you. Every
Speaker 3: time he makes a play, the play after seems to
Speaker 3: be even a better play. Somebody makes a touchdown. You know,
Speaker 3: we saw Ceedee Lamb he had the fourth down run.
Speaker 3: What happened the very next play they had the past
Speaker 3: to to lamp touchdown against the Giants. I mean, he's
Speaker 3: the kind of guy that keeps the offense going that way.
Speaker 6: I heard something on the radio this morning on one
Speaker 6: O five three the Fan. It was on Sean and
Speaker 6: RJ Show, and they mentioned that the Cowboys were I
Speaker 6: think they said second right now in the league in
Speaker 6: streak a number of consecutive games without a one hundred
Speaker 6: yard rusher and I want to say. The number was
Speaker 6: like I want to say, but the next closest team
Speaker 6: was the Broncos. They were leading the league. I think
Speaker 6: it's like seventeen. And they asked ask an interesting question.
Speaker 6: I'll ask you, guys, if the Cowboys are going to
Speaker 6: break this streak this season, which of those, which of
Speaker 6: the running backs on this team is more likely to
Speaker 6: do it?
Speaker 2: Hmmm?
Speaker 8: Just gives him in every way, I mean most likely
Speaker 8: down I guess.
Speaker 5: But uh, I want to see the guy that's still
Speaker 5: sitting there in the practice squad waiting to be called up,
Speaker 5: because that's.
Speaker 2: If anything, if anything, just something different.
Speaker 8: Some exactly something.
Speaker 2: But it's not it's not about it.
Speaker 8: It might not even work exactly.
Speaker 5: But the benefit of the doubt that maybe I'm giving
Speaker 5: them is like, Okay, they see the whole practice. Maybe
Speaker 5: they're seeing something that is just like okay, well you
Speaker 5: guys like us, we don't get to see. And there's
Speaker 5: a reason why they're making this decision not to put
Speaker 5: him up just yet. But I mean, it's just it's
Speaker 5: just I don't see anybody doing it.
Speaker 3: Dalvin Cook, I think it's Dalvin Cook. I think there's
Speaker 3: they're going to get to a point and unfortunately, I
Speaker 3: don't let the thing get to two and five. You know,
Speaker 3: don't don't don't find.
Speaker 8: What you decide to bring him up?
Speaker 2: Well, I mean you need to.
Speaker 3: If if you get to a point there, there's going
Speaker 3: to you're going to need the ability to run the football.
Speaker 3: And you know there's going to come to a time
Speaker 3: too where they're going to look at it and they're
Speaker 3: going to go, we've I mean, the next two weeks
Speaker 3: are not going to be easy playing playing offense against
Speaker 3: these next two defenses Pittsburgh and I know we've talked
Speaker 3: about Pittsburgh. Yeah, I mean it's but to me, if
Speaker 3: somebody's going to break dabt'll makes a lot of sense.
Speaker 3: Hunter Lipkey would be the next guy. If you volume,
Speaker 3: you carry just you know, I'd love to see a
Speaker 3: game where Dallas is ahead and they just turned the
Speaker 3: Hunter Lipkey in a four minute offense and it turned
Speaker 3: into deck just like they did against the Giants. First down,
Speaker 3: pass for four or five yards, Hand the ball to
Speaker 3: Hunter Lipkey for four or five Hand it to him
Speaker 3: again for a first down. Throw the ball again on
Speaker 3: first down.
Speaker 2: You know, play play. Don't play a game.
Speaker 3: Where you're you're having to run it. But Dallas did
Speaker 3: a good job against the Giants on first down throwing
Speaker 3: the ball to at least get five or six yards,
Speaker 3: so the next play could be a positive run, you know.
Speaker 3: But I'd love to see Hunter Lipke getting a four
Speaker 3: minute offense on a grass field in Pittsburgh and just
Speaker 3: try and wear them down at the end of a
Speaker 3: game and kill this thing off.
Speaker 2: That would be glorious.
Speaker 5: And if anything, I mean bringing Cook up, and I
Speaker 5: get it it. It gets tricky with the whole roster
Speaker 5: spot situation and how many times you can bring him up.
Speaker 5: And but but the point is maybe that also elevates
Speaker 5: everybody else's game and puts them in their toes like,
Speaker 5: oh crap, okay, let me let me do something better here.
Speaker 5: You know. It creates a more competition within their own
Speaker 5: running back group. But they just have to do something
Speaker 5: different and you have someone different. They're just waiting to
Speaker 5: be called up.
Speaker 6: All right, that's a wrap. We'll be back on tomorrow.
Speaker 6: We'll wrap this thing up before you get you guys
Speaker 6: ready for the Sunday game. Hopefully it does happen on Sunday.
Speaker 4: We'll see.
Speaker 2: We're going to.
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