1 00:00:06,680 --> 00:00:07,840 Speaker 1: Amy roboc and TJ. 2 00:00:07,960 --> 00:00:16,160 Speaker 2: Holmes present Killer Thriller with your host Elisa Donovan. Hey, everybody, 3 00:00:16,160 --> 00:00:18,680 Speaker 2: Elisa Donovan here and this is Killer Thriller. 4 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,920 Speaker 1: Some murders happen in dark alleys. 5 00:00:22,440 --> 00:00:26,280 Speaker 2: Others happened behind the gates of multimillion dollar estates. 6 00:00:26,840 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 1: The true story. 7 00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 2: Behind Murder in the Hamptons has everything wealth, betrayal, obsession, family, 8 00:00:33,479 --> 00:00:38,200 Speaker 2: and ultimately murder ted. Ammon was a Wall Street Titan 9 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,160 Speaker 2: whose life appeared picture perfect from the outside, but behind 10 00:00:42,200 --> 00:00:45,839 Speaker 2: the gates of one of America's wealthiest communities, his marriage 11 00:00:46,040 --> 00:00:50,160 Speaker 2: was collapsing. Then he was found brutally bludgeoned to death 12 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: inside his own home. His estranged wife's boyfriend, Daniel Pelosi, 13 00:00:55,120 --> 00:00:58,360 Speaker 2: was ultimately convicted of the murder, but he continues to 14 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 2: maintain his innocence more than in. 15 00:01:00,200 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 1: Two decades later. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,040 Speaker 2: Today I'm joined by Sean Christian, who played Daniel Pelosi, 17 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:12,680 Speaker 2: to explore one of the most fascinating true stories about money, power, betrayal, 18 00:01:13,120 --> 00:01:18,280 Speaker 2: and the question that still lingers. Did investigators get it right? Sean, 19 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:21,200 Speaker 2: Welcome to Killer Thriller. Thank you so much for joining 20 00:01:21,280 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 2: me today. 21 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 3: Thank you, Li Lisa. Grateful to be here. I mean 22 00:01:24,120 --> 00:01:26,080 Speaker 3: when you guys reached out, I was like, wait, what 23 00:01:26,640 --> 00:01:29,280 Speaker 3: did roll this back a little bit? So I was like, 24 00:01:29,800 --> 00:01:32,280 Speaker 3: I got pretty excited, So I thought. 25 00:01:32,080 --> 00:01:35,959 Speaker 2: Oh, good, Yeah, I mean these are the this story 26 00:01:36,120 --> 00:01:40,200 Speaker 2: is just so I mean, it feels unbelievable kind of 27 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:43,199 Speaker 2: in every single angle. And I think that's why people 28 00:01:43,280 --> 00:01:45,959 Speaker 2: are still very fascinated. Bye, not to mention the fact 29 00:01:45,959 --> 00:01:49,720 Speaker 2: that there really are so many unanswered questions still about 30 00:01:49,720 --> 00:01:54,320 Speaker 2: what really happened. So for people who aren't familiar with 31 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 2: the Ted Emming case, just walk us through what happened 32 00:01:57,120 --> 00:02:00,240 Speaker 2: and why it became such a national obsession. 33 00:02:00,720 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 3: Well, a great point, because it does seem unbelievable when 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,160 Speaker 3: you kind of put the broad strokes together. I'm sure 35 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 3: we'll chop it up a little bit, but you go, okay, wait, 36 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: so this multi millionaire, if not billionaire, it's bludgeon to 37 00:02:13,280 --> 00:02:17,040 Speaker 3: death in the middle of his sleep in that house. 38 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 3: And this guy, Danny PLOSEI, the character that I play, 39 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:24,840 Speaker 3: put together the security system that seemed to have failed 40 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,160 Speaker 3: the night of his murder. 41 00:02:26,200 --> 00:02:30,520 Speaker 4: Of course, only that night, just that night, that night 42 00:02:30,520 --> 00:02:34,560 Speaker 4: exactly reason just that one, just the one, but it 43 00:02:34,639 --> 00:02:37,760 Speaker 4: was and then of course three months later if you 44 00:02:37,800 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 4: wrote the script and go, okay, wait, so this guy 45 00:02:41,840 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 4: was bludgeoned to death. 46 00:02:43,760 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 3: I mean really really has a lot of answers at 47 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:50,760 Speaker 3: the time, of course, and his wife marries this guy 48 00:02:51,000 --> 00:02:53,400 Speaker 3: who runs the security as a maintenance man. Kind of 49 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:57,639 Speaker 3: does it all three months later? Red flag? I'm no 50 00:02:57,760 --> 00:02:59,720 Speaker 3: Matt Locke, but I'm just telling you that it is a 51 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: bit of a red flag. Right, yeah, then of course 52 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:08,040 Speaker 3: some tragedy, of course, happens beyond that, and she passed 53 00:03:08,080 --> 00:03:13,240 Speaker 3: away due to cancer not long after that. 54 00:03:14,200 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: Right, It's really like it's unreal. 55 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:23,600 Speaker 2: So so Ted and Ted Ammon was really sort of 56 00:03:23,800 --> 00:03:26,800 Speaker 2: by and large beloved by everyone. He seemed to be 57 00:03:26,880 --> 00:03:30,360 Speaker 2: described as this incredibly kind and generous man. 58 00:03:30,680 --> 00:03:34,080 Speaker 1: And he wasn't you know, just wealthy. 59 00:03:34,200 --> 00:03:38,160 Speaker 2: He was really one of Wall Street's biggest success stories. 60 00:03:38,200 --> 00:03:41,040 Speaker 2: And do you do you think that this is going 61 00:03:41,080 --> 00:03:42,200 Speaker 2: to sound like a silly question? 62 00:03:43,440 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 1: Do you think that greed Do you think that greed 63 00:03:45,760 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 1: was at the heart of. 64 00:03:47,640 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 3: This in retrospect, I don't know as if greed was 65 00:03:52,520 --> 00:03:55,520 Speaker 3: the sole motivator. I think with regard to this character, 66 00:03:55,600 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 3: I think there's some underpinnings of greed, but it felt 67 00:03:59,520 --> 00:04:05,920 Speaker 3: a little more vengeance retribution from the wife. Now again 68 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 3: I'm not indicating anybody. I don't have the facts of 69 00:04:08,040 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 3: the case, just so we're clear about you know, it's 70 00:04:10,760 --> 00:04:11,680 Speaker 3: like Sean does not know. 71 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, no one's coming for you after this to like 72 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,680 Speaker 1: arrest you on said. 73 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:21,320 Speaker 3: Dis gospel Now, but based on some of the psychology 74 00:04:21,320 --> 00:04:22,880 Speaker 3: and some of the research that I had to do, 75 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:25,800 Speaker 3: and even looking back again at the movie, and you 76 00:04:25,920 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 3: see some of the clues, if you will, and the 77 00:04:29,920 --> 00:04:34,120 Speaker 3: behavior and the relationship with regard to how things were 78 00:04:34,200 --> 00:04:36,640 Speaker 3: rolling out. Of course a lot of things are dramatized 79 00:04:36,720 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: for cinematic effect, but of course they you know, the 80 00:04:40,640 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 3: director of the writers, everybody's doing their homework to bring 81 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:46,480 Speaker 3: the greatest story it can. It's just honest and raw 82 00:04:46,520 --> 00:04:49,440 Speaker 3: and reel as it can. And so it felt like 83 00:04:50,160 --> 00:04:52,720 Speaker 3: some of this and when someone's not getting what they 84 00:04:52,720 --> 00:04:56,720 Speaker 3: want in a relationship office often they try to covet 85 00:04:56,800 --> 00:05:00,279 Speaker 3: what they don't feel they're entitled to. A lot of 86 00:05:00,320 --> 00:05:01,960 Speaker 3: times you can see because I'm just looking at it 87 00:05:02,000 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 3: from a behavior perspective, because if I have to get 88 00:05:04,680 --> 00:05:06,560 Speaker 3: into a character, I'm like, people are like, well, how 89 00:05:06,560 --> 00:05:10,160 Speaker 3: do you play all these murderers and serial killers and sociopaths. 90 00:05:10,160 --> 00:05:12,960 Speaker 3: Because I do. My mom's like, are you okay? 91 00:05:13,200 --> 00:05:13,640 Speaker 1: Are you okay? 92 00:05:15,040 --> 00:05:17,560 Speaker 3: Yeah? Exactly, I'm like, also, I'll weave a comedy in 93 00:05:17,600 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 3: there every now and again. But to play these characters, 94 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 3: you have to go, okay, well, why does one believe 95 00:05:24,640 --> 00:05:27,600 Speaker 3: that this is justified? You don't. I don't think most 96 00:05:27,640 --> 00:05:29,159 Speaker 3: people go, you know what I really want to do? 97 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,560 Speaker 3: It's just kill people for fun. I don't anticipate that's 98 00:05:32,600 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 3: the initial motive, but it feels like a lot of 99 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 3: this is vengeance and retribution for a love that's not 100 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:46,719 Speaker 3: met at the expectation that someone wants it to be. 101 00:05:47,560 --> 00:05:50,440 Speaker 3: I can't say unrequited, because I don't get a sense 102 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:53,760 Speaker 3: that that was the story. But from this guy's perspective, 103 00:05:53,960 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: it feels like there's a lot of motivating factors that 104 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:00,920 Speaker 3: could lead to greed and wanting something that you can't have, 105 00:06:01,040 --> 00:06:03,360 Speaker 3: including right, maybe someone's wife. 106 00:06:03,360 --> 00:06:06,000 Speaker 2: Right and he you know, we should say for those 107 00:06:06,040 --> 00:06:10,719 Speaker 2: that are unaware, Daniel's background is very, very different from 108 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:16,320 Speaker 2: the life that Generosa, who is Ted's ex wife, that 109 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:16,960 Speaker 2: they led. 110 00:06:17,040 --> 00:06:18,200 Speaker 1: He was very blue collar. 111 00:06:18,480 --> 00:06:22,760 Speaker 2: He was a little bit of a petty criminal and 112 00:06:23,320 --> 00:06:26,360 Speaker 2: had a very different kind of background, and so when 113 00:06:27,000 --> 00:06:30,159 Speaker 2: Generosa hires him and brings him into her life, you 114 00:06:30,200 --> 00:06:34,839 Speaker 2: can imagine that, how, you know, with her motivations on 115 00:06:34,960 --> 00:06:38,479 Speaker 2: top of his, he's also quite handsome and sort of 116 00:06:38,520 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 2: that like rugged, you know, dangerous guy quote unquote. So 117 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 2: I think that is this really perfect storm in a 118 00:06:47,560 --> 00:06:52,000 Speaker 2: weird way that could could go down, you know, a 119 00:06:52,080 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 2: dangerous road. 120 00:06:52,920 --> 00:06:55,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, people, I mean, I think that's one of those 121 00:06:55,600 --> 00:06:58,200 Speaker 3: quintessential storylines. People like the bad Boys. Someone who's the 122 00:06:58,400 --> 00:07:03,240 Speaker 3: sort of right fitnesis of this beautiful, idyllic, multimillion dollar 123 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 3: life multiple homes in the Hampton's, New York City and 124 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:11,000 Speaker 3: eventually London. Right. And of course the antithesis of that 125 00:07:11,120 --> 00:07:14,640 Speaker 3: is this guy who did have some history with d 126 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,120 Speaker 3: Ui and other I don't know specifically what those crimes were, 127 00:07:19,080 --> 00:07:21,920 Speaker 3: but we'll call it checkered for lack of a better word, 128 00:07:21,920 --> 00:07:26,080 Speaker 3: at the right. Right, So somebody quite often will like 129 00:07:26,120 --> 00:07:29,680 Speaker 3: a taste of this wild side, as we call it. 130 00:07:30,040 --> 00:07:35,400 Speaker 2: Right, And so he Ted was killed just as his 131 00:07:35,520 --> 00:07:40,040 Speaker 2: divorce from Generos it was nearing a financial resolution, and 132 00:07:40,640 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: they did not they were not officially divorced when he 133 00:07:43,680 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 2: was murdered so and prosecutors argued that the timing was everything. 134 00:07:48,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 2: So how important is the timing of the murder to 135 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:53,600 Speaker 2: this to understanding the entire case? 136 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:55,960 Speaker 3: Do you think? I think all those things need to 137 00:07:56,000 --> 00:07:57,880 Speaker 3: be brought into play of me. And if I had 138 00:07:57,880 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 3: to do my homework and I was trying to solve 139 00:07:59,760 --> 00:08:05,200 Speaker 3: it my self, you have to consider the circumstances of Okay, look, 140 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,520 Speaker 3: this isn't an it's on a path to ending, right 141 00:08:09,760 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 3: then someone's typically not happy about it. And unless it's 142 00:08:13,720 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 3: just an amicable spit that that happens, of course, But 143 00:08:17,000 --> 00:08:21,400 Speaker 3: in these circumstances, you could see, well, this potential lifestyle 144 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:25,160 Speaker 3: that one gets accustomed to can be very alluring and 145 00:08:25,280 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 3: very I think it goes from alluring to entitlement, which 146 00:08:29,840 --> 00:08:33,800 Speaker 3: could cause some decision making call errors. 147 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,040 Speaker 2: That is such a great way of hitting it. Yes, 148 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:41,240 Speaker 2: that alluring to and titling. 149 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: Like I'm now entitled. 150 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,600 Speaker 2: Well, because I've become accustomed to this, yep, other people 151 00:08:46,640 --> 00:08:48,720 Speaker 2: get it. Well, now I can't go back like it's 152 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:50,560 Speaker 2: it's such a great point. 153 00:08:51,200 --> 00:08:53,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and then people but even though with regard to 154 00:08:53,480 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 3: the spending, you know, going back and watching the movie 155 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,640 Speaker 3: a little bit. I don't have the specific numbers and details, 156 00:08:57,720 --> 00:09:02,320 Speaker 3: but like, whatever she wanted, give it to her, right. 157 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 2: Yes, he was very like, let's just end this and 158 00:09:06,520 --> 00:09:07,560 Speaker 2: make it amicable. 159 00:09:08,040 --> 00:09:10,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, and she's asking for the moon and he's given 160 00:09:10,480 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 3: her mars whatever you need, just make it open, right 161 00:09:15,679 --> 00:09:18,199 Speaker 3: and very affable. Some of the homework that I've done 162 00:09:18,240 --> 00:09:21,440 Speaker 3: with regard to who he was as a human being, wonderful, 163 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:25,239 Speaker 3: like you said, like the top of the show, apparently 164 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: wonderful human being and very generous, very kind and affable. 165 00:09:29,720 --> 00:09:32,720 Speaker 3: So I think, from what I understand, and you see 166 00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:36,080 Speaker 3: some of it, give her what she wants, and then 167 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:39,360 Speaker 3: you know, sometimes it's just not enough, and it does, 168 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 3: and maybe you've come full circle and you might have 169 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:46,040 Speaker 3: now done something. Greed I want more. I mean, you know, 170 00:09:46,240 --> 00:09:48,880 Speaker 3: it is the allure to the sense of entitlement and 171 00:09:48,920 --> 00:09:50,640 Speaker 3: also shame that someone feels you. 172 00:09:50,920 --> 00:09:55,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, and she The movie does a really nice job 173 00:09:55,400 --> 00:09:59,240 Speaker 2: of this, of kind of showing the escalation, not even 174 00:09:59,360 --> 00:10:06,760 Speaker 2: as fish certainly of her Generosi's like anger and uh 175 00:10:06,800 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: that kind of rage that she has, but they really 176 00:10:09,840 --> 00:10:12,960 Speaker 2: show it, which I thought was so interesting from the beginning, 177 00:10:13,200 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 2: Like she that moment when someone of the car almost 178 00:10:16,520 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 2: hits that woman, and she has a very like her 179 00:10:20,320 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 2: reaction does not match what happened. 180 00:10:24,400 --> 00:10:27,760 Speaker 1: But then she very clearly says, does that scare you? 181 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:30,640 Speaker 1: Like she's sort of owning that she has this type 182 00:10:30,640 --> 00:10:36,880 Speaker 1: of personality, and he's like, that's okay. You know, I 183 00:10:36,880 --> 00:10:38,600 Speaker 1: think he even loves it. 184 00:10:38,720 --> 00:10:40,439 Speaker 3: You know, it can be kind of hot. Who doesn't 185 00:10:40,440 --> 00:10:47,880 Speaker 3: want to like in that regard to who doesn't want 186 00:10:47,880 --> 00:10:51,600 Speaker 3: a little crazy? But to get where you're going with that, 187 00:10:51,800 --> 00:10:53,560 Speaker 3: and I would, I would agree that was a good 188 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,160 Speaker 3: tip off psychologically. And I don't know if she's ever 189 00:10:57,240 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 3: diagnosed with any bipolar or any cycle logical disorder. 190 00:11:01,720 --> 00:11:04,640 Speaker 2: I don't think she was, And that's what I'm so 191 00:11:04,800 --> 00:11:06,880 Speaker 2: curious about because it feels like there are so many 192 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:12,600 Speaker 2: unanswered things where she. Daniel Pelosi still maintains his innocence 193 00:11:13,000 --> 00:11:15,600 Speaker 2: from prison, and maybe that's just sort of what you 194 00:11:15,679 --> 00:11:16,720 Speaker 2: do when you're in prison. 195 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 1: Anyway, I don't know, but. 196 00:11:18,280 --> 00:11:22,320 Speaker 2: He seems to very you know, fiercely be saying that 197 00:11:22,400 --> 00:11:28,480 Speaker 2: other people were involved, and you know, I don't no one, 198 00:11:28,760 --> 00:11:31,600 Speaker 2: they don't really have any answers about Generosa because she 199 00:11:31,760 --> 00:11:35,320 Speaker 2: got so sick and wouldn't speak to the police, and 200 00:11:35,360 --> 00:11:38,719 Speaker 2: then I think, well, don't you have to Like there 201 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 2: were I've watched documentaries and things where they've said, you know, 202 00:11:42,559 --> 00:11:45,240 Speaker 2: and then her lawyers said, well, you can come here, 203 00:11:45,240 --> 00:11:47,840 Speaker 2: but she won't talk to you. And it sort of 204 00:11:47,840 --> 00:11:52,120 Speaker 2: feels like, what were these rules made specifically for her. 205 00:11:52,240 --> 00:11:56,800 Speaker 2: It's also strange to me that because all of the 206 00:11:56,880 --> 00:12:00,800 Speaker 2: friends would say everyone knew that she wanted her husband dead, 207 00:12:00,880 --> 00:12:05,119 Speaker 2: like these kind of very blatant things that that community 208 00:12:05,160 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: was talking about. 209 00:12:06,920 --> 00:12:10,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, you could see just connecting some of the dots generically, 210 00:12:10,160 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 3: even know outside of POV going wow, I mean, could 211 00:12:13,800 --> 00:12:18,959 Speaker 3: you get to the degree of being emotionally unstable and 212 00:12:19,040 --> 00:12:20,920 Speaker 3: love does this too? I mean, you don't have to 213 00:12:20,920 --> 00:12:24,400 Speaker 3: be diagnosed with anything to go you know, oh my god, 214 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 3: I love you so much. But not to the point 215 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,880 Speaker 3: of this extreme, of course. But you can see how 216 00:12:30,040 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 3: the emotional pendulum can swing very quickly, and certainly in 217 00:12:34,120 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 3: high stake situations like this, where you get accustomed to 218 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:45,280 Speaker 3: a lifestyle that many people would absolutely pardon the pun 219 00:12:45,360 --> 00:12:47,520 Speaker 3: die for it. But you know what I'm saying, like 220 00:12:47,559 --> 00:12:50,320 Speaker 3: you could see how this could happen. But setting the 221 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:55,480 Speaker 3: stage for the emotional anguish of not really being able 222 00:12:55,520 --> 00:12:59,880 Speaker 3: to wrangle somebody, especially when they're more powerful, Yes, right, 223 00:13:00,080 --> 00:13:03,839 Speaker 3: more powerful? Yes, these people are, and whether you come 224 00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:06,280 Speaker 3: from money or not. And I don't know exactly where 225 00:13:06,280 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: she did gone. I think I didn't know. I don't 226 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:11,800 Speaker 3: really know exactly her backstory. But man or man to 227 00:13:12,520 --> 00:13:15,320 Speaker 3: control some of the most powerful people can also be 228 00:13:15,360 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 3: a bit of an ego trip right into the tapestry 229 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:20,600 Speaker 3: of motivation. 230 00:13:21,280 --> 00:13:21,800 Speaker 1: Yep, yep. 231 00:13:22,000 --> 00:13:25,240 Speaker 2: With that already in her, then that really could just 232 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: inflame all of it. 233 00:13:27,840 --> 00:13:30,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, I maybe get crazy when you're. 234 00:13:29,840 --> 00:13:35,360 Speaker 2: In love, but listen, I mean, yeah, sorry, could I 235 00:13:35,360 --> 00:13:36,680 Speaker 2: throw myself on the ball. 236 00:13:36,760 --> 00:13:41,480 Speaker 1: Made some choices? I mean, my husband's like, you, what 237 00:13:41,760 --> 00:13:44,080 Speaker 1: was it? What? Who were like? People? 238 00:13:44,400 --> 00:13:44,600 Speaker 4: Oh? 239 00:13:44,720 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 1: That was somebody I dated a lot. He's like, who 240 00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,040 Speaker 1: is that again? Here's another one? Oh, she's got another one. 241 00:13:49,160 --> 00:13:53,880 Speaker 3: You know, I've got a crazy and I don't regret him. 242 00:13:53,920 --> 00:13:57,239 Speaker 3: But I'm just in retrospect to go. I see a theme, Sean. 243 00:13:59,200 --> 00:14:00,239 Speaker 1: Right, right. 244 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:07,320 Speaker 2: So one of the things that that is also fascinating 245 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,440 Speaker 2: is that they the investigators, they didn't have they didn't 246 00:14:10,480 --> 00:14:13,439 Speaker 2: have an eyewitness, they didn't have a murder weapon or 247 00:14:13,520 --> 00:14:19,479 Speaker 2: a confession, it was largely circumstantial. And so did that 248 00:14:19,840 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 2: surprise you in learning all of that stuff? And first 249 00:14:22,640 --> 00:14:24,640 Speaker 2: of all, did you know how much did you know 250 00:14:24,680 --> 00:14:27,800 Speaker 2: about the case, about any of that before you took 251 00:14:27,840 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 2: the role. 252 00:14:28,720 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 3: Uh? Yeah, I did a little homework on exactly how 253 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,280 Speaker 3: this all transpired and trying to understand what was the 254 00:14:34,320 --> 00:14:38,080 Speaker 3: breaking play because throughout the script, even at the end, 255 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:40,479 Speaker 3: if you see the end, as another woman got pregnant 256 00:14:40,560 --> 00:14:43,640 Speaker 3: kids prior to that, then he marries her, and then 257 00:14:43,800 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: she's gone and he marries another woman, you know, and 258 00:14:46,920 --> 00:14:48,880 Speaker 3: from what I saw, she was pregnant in the film, 259 00:14:48,920 --> 00:14:51,240 Speaker 3: and that that was at it. I don't know, but 260 00:14:51,880 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 3: literally like, babe, don't worry, babe, they're taking him away. 261 00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,760 Speaker 3: Don't worry, bebe. I must skip this one out too. 262 00:14:56,880 --> 00:14:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm out, don't worry about it, like completely to the 263 00:15:00,160 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 3: and absolving himself of any wrongdoing. So I was like, wait, 264 00:15:06,120 --> 00:15:10,160 Speaker 3: did I miss the page because the right Yeah. I 265 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 3: was like, oh, I'll digress for one quick second, because 266 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 3: there is a scene where he gets pulled over, and 267 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:19,040 Speaker 3: I'm watching the scene he gets pulled over. I'm doing 268 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:21,240 Speaker 3: I've got to do it, of course, and then the 269 00:15:21,240 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 3: police pulls him over. He's in the backseat and he's asleep. 270 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:26,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, I was. I had a question about that too. 271 00:15:26,680 --> 00:15:29,160 Speaker 3: I go, wait, did I miss the page? 272 00:15:29,560 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: Is he a magician? 273 00:15:31,600 --> 00:15:35,080 Speaker 3: Right? So he shows so the police officer knocks on 274 00:15:35,080 --> 00:15:36,760 Speaker 3: the one. I was like, yeah, hey, what's up. What's 275 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:38,840 Speaker 3: going on? You know, he's like just sleeping in the 276 00:15:38,880 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 3: back of my car. I'm like, wait, he just pulled 277 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:46,160 Speaker 3: you what right? Yeah? So yeah, go down with the 278 00:15:46,280 --> 00:15:49,120 Speaker 3: go down with the perceived truth or whatever. Right. 279 00:15:49,400 --> 00:15:51,720 Speaker 2: That's like that reminds me of me when I got 280 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:55,640 Speaker 2: caught in high school driving my parents' car at lunch 281 00:15:55,720 --> 00:15:58,000 Speaker 2: off campus, which you weren't supposed to do, and smoking 282 00:15:58,600 --> 00:15:59,840 Speaker 2: and my mom being like. 283 00:16:00,400 --> 00:16:03,760 Speaker 1: You were smoking and driving, and me saying no, I wasn't. 284 00:16:04,280 --> 00:16:08,360 Speaker 2: Like if I just say no, maybe somebody will believe it, 285 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,440 Speaker 2: you know, like you No, I didn't just pull the 286 00:16:10,440 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 2: car over and jump in the back. 287 00:16:11,880 --> 00:16:16,240 Speaker 1: Seat and pretend to be sleeping. It's insane. 288 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, I had. Yeah, before I got expelled from school. 289 00:16:18,280 --> 00:16:20,240 Speaker 3: I'm like, I didn't do it, but you convince that, 290 00:16:20,280 --> 00:16:23,400 Speaker 3: I'm sure. Psychological there's a term for this where you 291 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,640 Speaker 3: literally you keep convincing yourself that it didn't happen, right, 292 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:31,880 Speaker 3: And yeah, from a perspective of like you can convince yourself. 293 00:16:31,880 --> 00:16:34,280 Speaker 3: I do this as an art form. As an actor, 294 00:16:34,320 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 3: of course, I can imagine the craziest of circumstances and 295 00:16:37,920 --> 00:16:41,040 Speaker 3: my body will believe it. It doesn't know the difference 296 00:16:41,360 --> 00:16:45,000 Speaker 3: between what's really happening what you imagine happen, right, I 297 00:16:45,040 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 3: tell this, you know, when I talk to people or 298 00:16:46,520 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: coaching and helping people, I'm like, well, are you creating 299 00:16:49,280 --> 00:16:53,160 Speaker 3: this and believe it? Or is it really really happening? 300 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,480 Speaker 3: And then you spiral down A lot of people go, 301 00:16:55,560 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 3: oh no, I just I imagine that, you know, they would 302 00:16:58,360 --> 00:17:00,960 Speaker 3: never love me or whatever they can achieve this goal 303 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:03,880 Speaker 3: or whatever it is. But so people are getting to 304 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,880 Speaker 3: these circumstances and he throughout the film because I'm trying 305 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 3: to find out like, and this is something certainly as 306 00:17:10,560 --> 00:17:12,880 Speaker 3: an artist or an actor and then playing the villains 307 00:17:12,920 --> 00:17:15,959 Speaker 3: and you know this, but it is like, Okay, where's 308 00:17:16,000 --> 00:17:20,680 Speaker 3: the moment where the rise smile comes in? Like I'm 309 00:17:20,680 --> 00:17:21,399 Speaker 3: getting away with it. 310 00:17:21,480 --> 00:17:23,600 Speaker 1: I'm getting it right, right, you know what I'm saying. 311 00:17:23,800 --> 00:17:26,960 Speaker 3: You know, even it's a romantic relationship, yes, and the 312 00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,600 Speaker 3: character and you go, all right, where is the guy 313 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:34,920 Speaker 3: to say? He's gonna say the wrong thing? And that's 314 00:17:34,960 --> 00:17:37,440 Speaker 3: the end of the ring, Like my character's done. 315 00:17:37,520 --> 00:17:54,200 Speaker 2: Now he's done. Two things I was going to ask. 316 00:17:54,440 --> 00:17:56,640 Speaker 2: You know, in the film, they really make it seem 317 00:17:56,720 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: that the children genuinely loved Daniel, they actually wanted to 318 00:18:00,600 --> 00:18:03,600 Speaker 2: stay with him after both of the parents passed away. 319 00:18:03,640 --> 00:18:04,720 Speaker 1: Do you know if that's true. 320 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:09,879 Speaker 3: I don't know specifically if there's anything on paper, but 321 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:13,040 Speaker 3: throughout the story itself, and it was only one brief moment, 322 00:18:13,040 --> 00:18:15,320 Speaker 3: I got an opportunity essentially, well a little bit I 323 00:18:15,359 --> 00:18:18,320 Speaker 3: can tease up to it. You know, he's very generous 324 00:18:18,320 --> 00:18:19,920 Speaker 3: and kind, like you wonder like as you treat the 325 00:18:19,960 --> 00:18:23,480 Speaker 3: kids poorly because you have to research all of this 326 00:18:23,960 --> 00:18:26,080 Speaker 3: with regard to because if a kid walks in a room, 327 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,960 Speaker 3: what's the reaction, right, like, what's his even verbal and nonverbal? 328 00:18:30,280 --> 00:18:33,000 Speaker 3: But there was a moment on the beach where the 329 00:18:33,000 --> 00:18:36,200 Speaker 3: two kids come up even yes, yes, it was probably 330 00:18:36,240 --> 00:18:41,600 Speaker 3: the most human, real sliver of a moment that I 331 00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,920 Speaker 3: was able to dip into because they do. I made 332 00:18:44,920 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 3: a choice as well, because you're talking about motivation as well, 333 00:18:47,640 --> 00:18:52,280 Speaker 3: like look, taking care of kids is also a powerful thing, 334 00:18:52,440 --> 00:18:55,040 Speaker 3: and they begin to do this for somebody as wonderful. 335 00:18:55,040 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 3: So I had that glimmer of like, oh my god, 336 00:18:56,960 --> 00:19:01,120 Speaker 3: I actually could be the caregivers of these children, and 337 00:19:01,160 --> 00:19:04,120 Speaker 3: that felt I chose in a sliver and the director goes, wow, 338 00:19:04,160 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 3: that was an interesting choice, and it goes I liked it. 339 00:19:08,240 --> 00:19:11,679 Speaker 3: That felt he really cared. And you do have to 340 00:19:11,720 --> 00:19:15,000 Speaker 3: find a moment of humanity. Yeah, madness of it all. 341 00:19:15,240 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 3: I mean I don't. People don't. Just like I said earlier, 342 00:19:18,359 --> 00:19:20,920 Speaker 3: you have a real good reason, or at least justifying 343 00:19:21,000 --> 00:19:24,800 Speaker 3: That might be a real good good being relative and subjective, 344 00:19:24,880 --> 00:19:29,280 Speaker 3: but you have a reason that to the person feels justified. 345 00:19:29,560 --> 00:19:32,879 Speaker 2: Right, They're not, you know, human beings are not one dimensional. 346 00:19:33,520 --> 00:19:39,439 Speaker 2: Even you know some of the most diabolical criminals. It 347 00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,920 Speaker 2: comes from somewhere, you know, it comes from some need. 348 00:19:43,119 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 2: We talk about that a lot on this show, of 349 00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:46,400 Speaker 2: how do. 350 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,399 Speaker 1: These people get to this place? 351 00:19:48,560 --> 00:19:51,960 Speaker 2: And sometimes it's just that little flick of the switch, 352 00:19:52,160 --> 00:19:57,680 Speaker 2: or sometimes it's very systematic abuse or situations that people 353 00:19:57,680 --> 00:20:00,560 Speaker 2: are put in. And you know, there there are multitude 354 00:20:00,600 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: of reasons of how we get somewhere, but it's very 355 00:20:05,119 --> 00:20:09,679 Speaker 2: rarely if never is it just simply because someone is evil. 356 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:11,359 Speaker 1: It's like, that's a simple you're. 357 00:20:11,280 --> 00:20:13,440 Speaker 3: Right at least that's exactly it. And I think even 358 00:20:13,480 --> 00:20:16,399 Speaker 3: in that moment, I had to go back from a 359 00:20:16,440 --> 00:20:22,320 Speaker 3: behavioral perspective and go, wow, I'm loved and respected by 360 00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:24,800 Speaker 3: these So even if you didn't get is it from 361 00:20:24,800 --> 00:20:26,960 Speaker 3: your father? What you even doing some of the homework 362 00:20:27,160 --> 00:20:30,280 Speaker 3: was like part of how he got caught. Yes, right, 363 00:20:31,080 --> 00:20:35,199 Speaker 3: so wow, I'm loved by somebody and respected by these kids. 364 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 3: That's a powerful emotion. Yes, they can motivate anybody in 365 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,919 Speaker 3: a variety of directions. I mean, you see people do 366 00:20:43,040 --> 00:20:44,200 Speaker 3: crazy things for the kids. 367 00:20:44,600 --> 00:20:48,959 Speaker 2: Yes, and right, specifically, if he had never felt that, 368 00:20:48,960 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 2: that could be a very powerful and you know, intoxicating 369 00:20:52,760 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 2: kind of yeah feeling. I did read that his father 370 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:01,240 Speaker 2: gave some of the most incriminating evidence against him on 371 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:06,280 Speaker 2: the stand right, that he had purchased a stun gun, 372 00:21:06,760 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 2: And I think Daniel was saying, no, I you know, 373 00:21:08,800 --> 00:21:12,439 Speaker 2: I never really did that, and then his father's like, 374 00:21:12,600 --> 00:21:14,520 Speaker 2: oh no, he asked me, And he also asked me 375 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 2: how to get rid of something that you don't want 376 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:18,560 Speaker 2: anybody to find. 377 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:22,439 Speaker 3: Let's back that up a little exactly. Let me let 378 00:21:22,520 --> 00:21:25,159 Speaker 3: me let's up back that just for a second. That 379 00:21:25,320 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 3: was where I again, because that was exactly from what 380 00:21:28,880 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 3: I do in my home. Martin was the father said that. 381 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:35,359 Speaker 3: He said just that, well, if you had to get 382 00:21:35,400 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 3: rid of because it wasn't I think his father was 383 00:21:36,800 --> 00:21:39,880 Speaker 3: a former detective or a police officer or something that 384 00:21:39,960 --> 00:21:41,920 Speaker 3: he would ask his father, Well, if you had to 385 00:21:41,920 --> 00:21:43,919 Speaker 3: get rid of a piece of evidence or piece of 386 00:21:43,960 --> 00:21:46,680 Speaker 3: evidence is just kind of it's the dumbest, quite crazy 387 00:21:46,760 --> 00:21:53,359 Speaker 3: question to call it. That was pretty incriminating on top 388 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,480 Speaker 3: of you. So you put in the security system. 389 00:21:55,400 --> 00:22:00,280 Speaker 2: In the house, and yeah, and that part of it, Like, 390 00:22:00,320 --> 00:22:02,560 Speaker 2: these are the things where I go some you know, 391 00:22:02,640 --> 00:22:04,800 Speaker 2: sometimes we hear these cases. 392 00:22:04,440 --> 00:22:05,440 Speaker 1: Where they're so. 393 00:22:07,240 --> 00:22:12,199 Speaker 2: Just incredibly detailed, like how how specific and sort of 394 00:22:12,240 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: twisted these. 395 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 1: Minds can be. And then someone like this. 396 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 2: It's like they just unplugged it, I think, and like 397 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:25,000 Speaker 2: took that and took the machine out from but as 398 00:22:25,040 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 2: if no one was going to realize they have all 399 00:22:27,240 --> 00:22:29,840 Speaker 2: the other footage leading up to that, and then it's 400 00:22:29,880 --> 00:22:33,399 Speaker 2: just gone. 401 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:33,640 Speaker 3: Yeah, he's like and I think he had an alibi, 402 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: so I'm sure he just was like, well, look. 403 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,000 Speaker 1: Yes, a wedding, a family wedding or something. 404 00:22:38,160 --> 00:22:40,960 Speaker 3: They said, yeah, yeah, something like that. So it'll go 405 00:22:41,040 --> 00:22:44,800 Speaker 3: out and then I'll be at this wedding and I 406 00:22:44,840 --> 00:22:48,040 Speaker 3: have this jacket that I think was also incriminated, like 407 00:22:48,080 --> 00:22:50,600 Speaker 3: that jacket the night that ate the jet. Whatever jacket 408 00:22:50,640 --> 00:22:52,879 Speaker 3: he was wearing that night, I think was never to 409 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:56,080 Speaker 3: be found. Was a clue. And they're like, well, where'd 410 00:22:56,080 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 3: that jacket go? I just threw it out because I 411 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 3: didn't need it, you know, Jackie went to in a wedding. Yeah, 412 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 3: so there's a few puzzle pieces that you do. You 413 00:23:08,640 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 3: have you have to laugh a little bit to just 414 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,239 Speaker 3: go because you have to make that this has to 415 00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:17,720 Speaker 3: make sense and you're going to recreate it, Yes, in 416 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:21,680 Speaker 3: a in real life, in a person's mind, if you're 417 00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 3: really gonna plot this through and you go especially now 418 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:29,600 Speaker 3: with all the forensics and everything else, right, you just 419 00:23:29,680 --> 00:23:31,600 Speaker 3: it's I don't even know how you get away with 420 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:32,800 Speaker 3: someone like this today. 421 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 2: It's right, it does seem to be increasingly more difficult, 422 00:23:36,520 --> 00:23:40,200 Speaker 2: and they so it says that he apparently told a 423 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,520 Speaker 2: lawyer that he removed the hard drive on the weekend 424 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:49,040 Speaker 2: that Ted was killed. I just decided to take the 425 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:54,760 Speaker 2: hard drive out that yeah, right right, just on this. Yeah, 426 00:23:54,800 --> 00:23:58,199 Speaker 2: So for fear that someone would see the tapes and 427 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:05,120 Speaker 2: what was on the hard drive, Like, that's pretty self incriminating, say, 428 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 2: want anybody to see what's on there? 429 00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:11,040 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm no Columbo, but that just is not updating myself. 430 00:24:11,040 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 1: Clearly, it's too I got you, I got you, like. 431 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 3: On hundred years old. I don't even know, yeah exactly, 432 00:24:19,400 --> 00:24:21,760 Speaker 3: but it is. It is those when you connect some 433 00:24:21,800 --> 00:24:24,239 Speaker 3: of those dots and you just think, and there is 434 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:28,600 Speaker 3: a inner reverence that I think that the came with 435 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:32,600 Speaker 3: the character and those little nuances. Yes, So even before 436 00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:37,159 Speaker 3: he and I, there's another scene where Tad's gone, I 437 00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,000 Speaker 3: think they're get they got married, and he's he's been 438 00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:43,000 Speaker 3: out in Vegas. When he comes home and he takes this, 439 00:24:43,119 --> 00:24:44,919 Speaker 3: takes the wedding ring right before I walk in. I go, 440 00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:46,879 Speaker 3: just just take the I'm gonna take the wedding and 441 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,560 Speaker 3: slide it on with her back turned and come on 442 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,440 Speaker 3: in and just go to the fridge or whatever it happens. 443 00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:56,760 Speaker 3: And he literally in that whole scene, it's like she's like, 444 00:24:56,760 --> 00:24:58,479 Speaker 3: where were you in Vegas? But in my money that 445 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:02,439 Speaker 3: I was like Hey, babe, babies for the boat. I'm 446 00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:03,959 Speaker 3: getting us a boat. Yeah. I didn't want to tell 447 00:25:03,960 --> 00:25:06,879 Speaker 3: you this, but you know, I mean the your reverend 448 00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: when you like this, Yeah. 449 00:25:08,920 --> 00:25:13,240 Speaker 2: And the constantly kind of scheming in your mind, like 450 00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 2: there's just always an answer for everything, always a. 451 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:22,560 Speaker 1: Way to turn it. And it's like it's very And also, 452 00:25:22,800 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: this is the other. 453 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,800 Speaker 2: Thing I was going to say that we have to 454 00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:26,800 Speaker 2: talk about at the towards the. 455 00:25:26,880 --> 00:25:27,520 Speaker 1: End of the movie. 456 00:25:27,760 --> 00:25:30,359 Speaker 2: And this is very real because it was on the 457 00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:33,880 Speaker 2: cover of one of the New York papers. He Daniel 458 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:40,480 Speaker 2: goes into that bar and with the ashes of generosa, 459 00:25:41,080 --> 00:25:44,679 Speaker 2: fits them on the table and as a drink with 460 00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,840 Speaker 2: them as like a final goodbye. 461 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:50,160 Speaker 1: Like what do you make of that? 462 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:51,320 Speaker 3: Is? 463 00:25:52,320 --> 00:25:53,960 Speaker 1: Like grief? Is it insanity? 464 00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,800 Speaker 3: Is it just? It is? I think a layer of 465 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,640 Speaker 3: hubris in your rev Rents almost sticking it to you 466 00:26:02,760 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 3: like you ain't gonna touch me watch this. Not only 467 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 3: will I do that because that's the place they met 468 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:10,800 Speaker 3: and the thing and that because it was it was 469 00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:11,920 Speaker 3: a New York Times post. 470 00:26:12,160 --> 00:26:13,760 Speaker 2: Yah, I think it was a post maybe, and it 471 00:26:13,800 --> 00:26:15,960 Speaker 2: was a photograph so it wasn't just a commentary bout 472 00:26:16,040 --> 00:26:18,040 Speaker 2: post because people can say the post is you know, 473 00:26:18,400 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 2: a tabloid, but this is an existing a photograph that 474 00:26:22,119 --> 00:26:24,359 Speaker 2: was taken of this man, so it's not made up. 475 00:26:24,920 --> 00:26:26,520 Speaker 3: Yes, that's so good a Lisa, because you think when 476 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,359 Speaker 3: people say, oh, I was a post he put it 477 00:26:28,440 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 3: on his Instagram, You're like, no, no, no, no. Press had 478 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:36,719 Speaker 3: to come in correct, realize how ballsy you have to 479 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 3: be and to be able to go in there and 480 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:42,719 Speaker 3: do that. And it absolutely I think it was just 481 00:26:42,800 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 3: a layer of hubris and I think stocked full of 482 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 3: beer reverence. And I think that was part the one 483 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:51,560 Speaker 3: of the characters things that I had chose to bring 484 00:26:51,560 --> 00:26:54,800 Speaker 3: to it, meaning I mean there is nothing he could 485 00:26:54,880 --> 00:26:57,960 Speaker 3: not do. I will great, I could get the riches 486 00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:00,840 Speaker 3: one and yep, I'm going to Mary the Woman three 487 00:27:00,880 --> 00:27:04,360 Speaker 3: months later after you want to give it a little time, like. 488 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: An invincible nature, like just utterly. 489 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,760 Speaker 3: That that's that's a great word because that that layer 490 00:27:12,800 --> 00:27:17,800 Speaker 3: of invincibility. And I am psychologically I'm pretty sure that 491 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:19,720 Speaker 3: those criminals who do the little cat and mouse game 492 00:27:19,720 --> 00:27:22,639 Speaker 3: where they kind of keep these clues, same kind of 493 00:27:22,720 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 3: DNA where they're just like you will never catch me, 494 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,080 Speaker 3: right kind of mind. 495 00:27:28,760 --> 00:27:33,320 Speaker 2: Right, that's a very typical like well, yeah, serial killer 496 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: type of yeah, come get me, because like that's part 497 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:36,120 Speaker 2: of it. 498 00:27:36,680 --> 00:27:39,200 Speaker 1: And then that does so this does kind of come 499 00:27:39,240 --> 00:27:40,480 Speaker 1: back to, is. 500 00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:45,320 Speaker 2: You know, class and upbringing and privilege and all of 501 00:27:45,359 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: that and the lack thereof like how much of that 502 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:53,199 Speaker 2: is a part of this person's particular story, because it's 503 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: sort of you know when you're talking about that that 504 00:27:56,240 --> 00:27:59,439 Speaker 2: you know, a reverence and invincibility and things like that 505 00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:01,640 Speaker 2: would sort of lead to it if you come from 506 00:28:01,680 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 2: something that's more troubled and less than there's a bit 507 00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:09,199 Speaker 2: of like I don't have anything to lose maybe, and 508 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:13,639 Speaker 2: now the more he gains, it's like I'm I'm smarter 509 00:28:13,720 --> 00:28:15,600 Speaker 2: than all of you. It doesn't matter how much money 510 00:28:15,640 --> 00:28:17,680 Speaker 2: you have or where you come from. 511 00:28:18,080 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 3: I got you, absolutely, I got you, and I belong 512 00:28:22,240 --> 00:28:25,560 Speaker 3: in this class. To your point about the social class 513 00:28:26,160 --> 00:28:28,959 Speaker 3: I've earned might be a weird way to put it, 514 00:28:29,480 --> 00:28:33,160 Speaker 3: but I've earned my status and status is a big 515 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:36,880 Speaker 3: motivator for people buy a Gucci all this stuff. Our status. 516 00:28:36,920 --> 00:28:38,360 Speaker 3: They don't even have the money, may not be in 517 00:28:38,360 --> 00:28:42,240 Speaker 3: a house, right, but you need to know my status. 518 00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,200 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that's his exact motivator. But you 519 00:28:45,360 --> 00:28:48,760 Speaker 3: can see that is being one of those things there 520 00:28:49,120 --> 00:28:53,680 Speaker 3: from your social class perspective. Yep, I belong right here 521 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 3: with all of you. 522 00:28:55,280 --> 00:28:58,880 Speaker 2: Yes, And even the neighborhood, like the Hamptons itself, which 523 00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:00,440 Speaker 2: is where this took place. 524 00:29:01,680 --> 00:29:02,440 Speaker 1: It's like its. 525 00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:06,200 Speaker 2: Own character, both in the movie but in the story also. 526 00:29:07,160 --> 00:29:10,320 Speaker 2: So do you think that if this had happened somewhere 527 00:29:10,360 --> 00:29:12,560 Speaker 2: else people would be less interested? 528 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:16,640 Speaker 3: Yes? I think you make a great point, because it 529 00:29:16,680 --> 00:29:19,040 Speaker 3: is also that does make a state. It's a state, 530 00:29:19,040 --> 00:29:22,719 Speaker 3: the word Hampton's, Central Pe, Beverly Hills, right. You can 531 00:29:22,720 --> 00:29:26,280 Speaker 3: see them in the titles, whether it's a movie that 532 00:29:26,360 --> 00:29:28,600 Speaker 3: someone's created and going, no, we need to sex it up, 533 00:29:30,600 --> 00:29:34,000 Speaker 3: murder and Beverly Hills. What right the Hampton's and the 534 00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 3: elite because and I'm sure socially there's some commentary about 535 00:29:39,360 --> 00:29:42,240 Speaker 3: that thought you just brought up, and I'm just spinning 536 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 3: this with you right now, But I think that's what 537 00:29:45,640 --> 00:29:49,240 Speaker 3: makes these things a little more illumining. If some of 538 00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,960 Speaker 3: these crimes don't happen in high profile places. He might, 539 00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:58,000 Speaker 3: you know, daniel LeMond was very high profile in his world. 540 00:29:58,280 --> 00:30:00,160 Speaker 3: But I think if you'd asked ninety percent of the 541 00:30:00,200 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 3: culture at the time who he is wasn't like a 542 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:07,880 Speaker 3: Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk, right, yep. So, But I 543 00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:10,360 Speaker 3: do think a lot of the times that that probably 544 00:30:10,640 --> 00:30:14,080 Speaker 3: plays into a from a title of a movie, of course, 545 00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:18,080 Speaker 3: but that actually is what happened. But that's the ultimate 546 00:30:18,160 --> 00:30:19,840 Speaker 3: catch in that spot. Yep. 547 00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,760 Speaker 2: I also was wondering about the timing of this too 548 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,479 Speaker 2: and why. I mean, I'm from New York. I grew 549 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:41,320 Speaker 2: up on Long Island and lived in New York City 550 00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,320 Speaker 2: before I moved to La. 551 00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: Many years ago. 552 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:50,480 Speaker 2: But anyway, I didn't I wasn't as familiar with this 553 00:30:50,520 --> 00:30:54,080 Speaker 2: particular case until I remember when this movie came out 554 00:30:54,280 --> 00:30:57,400 Speaker 2: and things. But I realized it was in October of 555 00:30:57,440 --> 00:31:01,040 Speaker 2: twenty twenty one, and I thought this was right after sorry, 556 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 2: of twenty of two thousand and one when he was murdered, 557 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,160 Speaker 2: and that was right after nine to eleven. So I 558 00:31:09,200 --> 00:31:13,880 Speaker 2: bet that was really like the prominent news at that 559 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,920 Speaker 2: time still because it was only a month later. 560 00:31:17,440 --> 00:31:19,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, New York City was I mean that the world 561 00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:23,120 Speaker 3: was talking about New York City right right right itself. 562 00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:25,920 Speaker 3: And then of course to help atmosphere because many New York. 563 00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:29,880 Speaker 3: I lived in Manhattan for a while and that came. 564 00:31:30,040 --> 00:31:34,040 Speaker 3: That was sort of the New Yorkers playground. Yes, right, 565 00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:37,560 Speaker 3: so that comes, is your point. It's definitely part of 566 00:31:37,600 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: that tapestry of these elites and this different class of 567 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:44,080 Speaker 3: people who. 568 00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:47,360 Speaker 2: I mean, that's where everyone goes from New York on 569 00:31:47,400 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 2: the weekend still today. 570 00:31:48,560 --> 00:31:49,640 Speaker 1: I mean, that's you know. 571 00:31:50,480 --> 00:31:53,480 Speaker 3: It's a playground. New York City's great. Love that city. 572 00:31:55,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 3: But yeah, I didn't spend a lot of time personally 573 00:31:57,080 --> 00:32:01,720 Speaker 3: in the hands. Yeah, but with social media, I mean, 574 00:32:01,760 --> 00:32:03,920 Speaker 3: you know, someone's hanging out and there's a Hampton's party 575 00:32:03,960 --> 00:32:07,040 Speaker 3: and everything. It's a it's a thing. I mean, it's 576 00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:10,960 Speaker 3: definitely a beautiful thing, and there's beautiful people there. I mean, 577 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 3: like not physically, I'm talking about like you know people, yeah, 578 00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:17,040 Speaker 3: like to put social class titles on and I sort 579 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 3: of jump away from that pretty quickly, but beautiful. 580 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:19,760 Speaker 4: Right. 581 00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:24,520 Speaker 2: So when when you guys shot this movie, uh, Daniel 582 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:27,360 Speaker 2: Pelosi was very much still alive because he still is 583 00:32:27,760 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 2: and he had just been convicted and was still maintaining 584 00:32:32,320 --> 00:32:33,000 Speaker 2: his innocence. 585 00:32:33,080 --> 00:32:33,440 Speaker 1: Did that. 586 00:32:34,880 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 2: Add any layer of responsibility for you knowing all the 587 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:40,400 Speaker 2: real people? I mean, this is always in a question, 588 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:42,120 Speaker 2: always a question when you're playing a real person. But 589 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: did any of that, how did that feel? Or did 590 00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:49,040 Speaker 2: it impact your work or prep in it anyway? 591 00:32:49,240 --> 00:32:49,880 Speaker 1: Specifically? 592 00:32:50,120 --> 00:32:52,600 Speaker 3: Great question. I do think about those things, specifically if 593 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:55,560 Speaker 3: it's someone who's living and alive and maintains their innocence. 594 00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,920 Speaker 3: I'm as a human being. I try to see everyone's 595 00:33:00,080 --> 00:33:02,440 Speaker 3: perspective and then I can make my own decision, right. 596 00:33:02,720 --> 00:33:04,719 Speaker 3: I prefer to do that that way, whether it's a character. 597 00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:07,760 Speaker 3: Because you hear actors who are preparing like, oh, this 598 00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 3: character would never say that, this character would never do this. 599 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:12,800 Speaker 3: I go, well, wouldn't it be interesting if they did? Then? 600 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 3: Because I mean I do things that I wouldn't typically 601 00:33:16,320 --> 00:33:18,400 Speaker 3: do in my day. Yes, you know what I mean. 602 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:23,000 Speaker 3: So hopefully that in that way. But I do look 603 00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:25,840 Speaker 3: at those things, and I do know he maintained his innocence, 604 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 3: and I thought, well, let me look at what story 605 00:33:30,360 --> 00:33:34,080 Speaker 3: am I telling? And it isn't his story? Right, So 606 00:33:34,240 --> 00:33:37,360 Speaker 3: this was a biograph fee on him that maybe I'd go, hey, 607 00:33:37,360 --> 00:33:38,560 Speaker 3: can I get a hold of him and can I 608 00:33:38,600 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 3: talk to him? And you know, that wasn't really the case, 609 00:33:42,160 --> 00:33:44,280 Speaker 3: and I didn't really was like, Okay, this isn't about him. 610 00:33:44,320 --> 00:33:47,360 Speaker 3: This is about a story that has happened, and there's 611 00:33:47,400 --> 00:33:50,200 Speaker 3: a lot of curiosity wrapped around it, a lot of 612 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:55,080 Speaker 3: unknowns wrapped around it, and also but then maintaining his innocence. 613 00:33:55,120 --> 00:33:58,520 Speaker 3: I think if I in creating it, that's what I 614 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,200 Speaker 3: had to believe despite the stuff that you and I 615 00:34:00,240 --> 00:34:03,240 Speaker 3: had just been talking about, the father, the questions and 616 00:34:03,320 --> 00:34:06,280 Speaker 3: the hard drive, and you're like again like did I 617 00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:10,239 Speaker 3: miss something? But no, I don't judge them. I try 618 00:34:10,280 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 3: to understand them and then go, Okay, let me create 619 00:34:14,480 --> 00:34:18,480 Speaker 3: this life experience in two hours or less and bring 620 00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 3: that element to it. But at what stood out to 621 00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 3: me is the word that we've been bouncing back and 622 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:26,680 Speaker 3: forth as a layer of innocence and irreverence. I think 623 00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:32,959 Speaker 3: the whether it was all crafted to begin with, I'm 624 00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,799 Speaker 3: not sure. And you know, because if someone like you 625 00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,040 Speaker 3: had mentioned, does it comes from the other side of 626 00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:41,360 Speaker 3: the tracks, for lack of a better phrase, gets a 627 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,359 Speaker 3: taste of that elite world. To use your word again, 628 00:34:45,400 --> 00:34:49,399 Speaker 3: it's very into upskating, and so I just went from 629 00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:54,200 Speaker 3: the place of innocence and also mystery. I'm gonna keep 630 00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,680 Speaker 3: a certain any actor or anything I like to do 631 00:34:56,719 --> 00:34:59,240 Speaker 3: is keep guests and does he know is he gonna? 632 00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 3: I'm And I chose consciously never to wink and smile 633 00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,000 Speaker 3: like I got you all. I just didn't. I didn't 634 00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:09,839 Speaker 3: for me. I was like, no, I'm going if he 635 00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:14,040 Speaker 3: maintains his innocence to today, that's the story I'm going 636 00:35:14,080 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 3: to tell. I'm not going to nod to the audience 637 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:22,120 Speaker 3: and go not the audience in particular, but the story itself, 638 00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:24,800 Speaker 3: and go, I screwed you all over right, you know 639 00:35:24,960 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 3: you can't catch me. There are layers to that. But 640 00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,680 Speaker 3: but like anybody who's watching, whether it's a murder or 641 00:35:31,719 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 3: a love story, they're gonna weave everything that they want 642 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 3: to weave into it. Girls, a one guy walks into 643 00:35:40,000 --> 00:35:42,400 Speaker 3: a broom or a bar, the audience is already going, 644 00:35:42,960 --> 00:35:47,319 Speaker 3: are they gonna you're gonna look up? How far they're 645 00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:54,000 Speaker 3: already that You're just get in the room, beautiful people 646 00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,799 Speaker 3: or whatever you go. I think, yeah, they'll, they'll, they'll 647 00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 3: do the work. And that's what I wanted the audience 648 00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:58,680 Speaker 3: to do. 649 00:35:59,120 --> 00:35:59,279 Speaker 4: Right. 650 00:36:00,320 --> 00:36:03,360 Speaker 2: If you had the opportunity to sit down with Daniel 651 00:36:03,440 --> 00:36:08,280 Speaker 2: Pelosi today, hey, what would you want to ask him? 652 00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:12,000 Speaker 3: M hmm. Would I want to ask him. 653 00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:13,200 Speaker 1: What would you want answered? That's unanswered. 654 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,280 Speaker 3: I would want to go below the yes or no question, 655 00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:24,040 Speaker 3: you know, And because you couldn't implicate someone and just say, hey, man, 656 00:36:24,120 --> 00:36:25,520 Speaker 3: do I feel like what did it feel like to 657 00:36:25,600 --> 00:36:31,359 Speaker 3: do this? Crazy? But what is it? I mean, I'd 658 00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 3: have to say, like, how are you different from the 659 00:36:33,440 --> 00:36:37,640 Speaker 3: moment you went in to this very day right now? 660 00:36:37,719 --> 00:36:39,279 Speaker 3: What has changed inside of you? 661 00:36:40,840 --> 00:36:43,520 Speaker 1: Oh? That's a great question. 662 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:47,680 Speaker 3: Right like, because whether you did or didn't it whatever, 663 00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:51,080 Speaker 3: you're really going, Oh my god, I'm sitting in here, 664 00:36:51,200 --> 00:36:55,360 Speaker 3: and I mean, like, how so that would be very telling. 665 00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:56,839 Speaker 3: So you see, I'm not I don't need a yes 666 00:36:56,960 --> 00:37:01,040 Speaker 3: or no, but I would learn from a transformative experience. 667 00:37:01,960 --> 00:37:04,600 Speaker 3: You know, you may go, I'm innocent here, I'm still innocent. 668 00:37:04,680 --> 00:37:06,920 Speaker 3: Now you go also. 669 00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,080 Speaker 1: Nothing nothing has changed? 670 00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:10,600 Speaker 3: Right? You know what I mean? You're going if you 671 00:37:10,719 --> 00:37:13,920 Speaker 3: and then if you were innocent, then perhaps the exploration 672 00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:17,160 Speaker 3: would be like, man, this is an unjust world. Man 673 00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:20,279 Speaker 3: like this, how do I find justice for me or 674 00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:23,680 Speaker 3: someone out like Nelson Mandel? I'm not trying to equate 675 00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:27,240 Speaker 3: the two. Sure, yes, do you see what I'm saying? Yes? Yes, 676 00:37:27,440 --> 00:37:30,880 Speaker 3: like he took a different route and yet it was 677 00:37:30,920 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 3: incarcerated just in the injustice of it all transformed his life, 678 00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:37,160 Speaker 3: of course, and if you didn't, if you weren't taking 679 00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:40,200 Speaker 3: some greater perspective, whether it be for your own life 680 00:37:40,200 --> 00:37:44,560 Speaker 3: for someone else, that would be very telling. And so 681 00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:49,560 Speaker 3: I think that would be very revealing about one humanity, 682 00:37:50,000 --> 00:37:50,560 Speaker 3: you know what I mean. 683 00:37:50,880 --> 00:37:54,560 Speaker 2: That is not even remotely what I thought you might say. 684 00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 2: And it's like the greatest, It's the best. That's that's great. Yeah, 685 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 2: because i'd be like, did you do it? Did you 686 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:02,600 Speaker 2: do it right? 687 00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 3: You're like, oh, you know. It's like, but I'm sure 688 00:38:07,680 --> 00:38:11,120 Speaker 3: I don't know whether he's up for parole or the story. 689 00:38:11,000 --> 00:38:11,880 Speaker 1: So I think he's not. 690 00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,080 Speaker 2: He's next up for parole in either twenty thirty or 691 00:38:15,160 --> 00:38:15,960 Speaker 2: twenty thirty one. 692 00:38:16,840 --> 00:38:19,719 Speaker 1: But I mean, I don't I don't know how good 693 00:38:19,760 --> 00:38:20,680 Speaker 1: twenty thirty one. 694 00:38:20,960 --> 00:38:22,799 Speaker 3: He's up for pro I think I've seeing some at 695 00:38:22,800 --> 00:38:24,359 Speaker 3: the end of the movie, I'm like, oh wow, I'm 696 00:38:24,400 --> 00:38:28,200 Speaker 3: trying to do the math. But it would be very telling. 697 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:28,480 Speaker 4: It. 698 00:38:28,560 --> 00:38:32,880 Speaker 3: I mean, you were you were with you for decades. Yeah, 699 00:38:33,160 --> 00:38:36,760 Speaker 3: if you did do something like that, you're still with you. Yeah, 700 00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:38,439 Speaker 3: And ultimately right. 701 00:38:38,600 --> 00:38:39,960 Speaker 1: This is what I'm so struck by. 702 00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:43,319 Speaker 2: You know, everybody, we're all still obsessed with Scott Peterson 703 00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,320 Speaker 2: and the various thing you know that him trying to 704 00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:48,280 Speaker 2: get int your trial, and I just I can't get 705 00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 2: past the the thought that him in particular, just for example, yeah, 706 00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:59,640 Speaker 2: did not, like scream from the rooftops, I didn't do this. 707 00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:02,200 Speaker 2: I didn't you know what I mean, Yes, I don't. 708 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:05,840 Speaker 2: I don't understand that, but that's that's my personality. I 709 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 2: suppose I would be sort of like fiercely crying and 710 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:14,960 Speaker 2: trying to like just redeem, like make people see and 711 00:39:15,000 --> 00:39:17,960 Speaker 2: I just don't see that in him. And even the 712 00:39:18,000 --> 00:39:21,360 Speaker 2: things with Daniel Pelosi any the interviews that I watched, 713 00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,799 Speaker 2: there is this thing of he's sort of like, why 714 00:39:24,840 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 2: didn't do it? And I'm gonna you're gonna you're gonna 715 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 2: see that. Yeah, that's just kind of like a defiance 716 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:35,040 Speaker 2: as opposed to this is terrible. This man was bludgeoned 717 00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:37,000 Speaker 2: to death and I don't know who did it, but 718 00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:40,160 Speaker 2: it wasn't me. You know, Like there's something that's like 719 00:39:40,360 --> 00:39:43,239 Speaker 2: he lacks, from what I see in my opinion, like 720 00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,719 Speaker 2: lacks a real empathy I guess. 721 00:39:46,640 --> 00:39:50,000 Speaker 3: You're absolutely right, because you would kick claw and scream. 722 00:39:50,120 --> 00:39:51,960 Speaker 3: I sat there and I'm like, you know you did 723 00:39:52,080 --> 00:39:56,399 Speaker 3: x y Z hey. You would absolutely defend yourself. Yes, 724 00:39:57,360 --> 00:39:59,719 Speaker 3: it's actually you know, even the smaller or there be 725 00:39:59,719 --> 00:40:01,640 Speaker 3: a white lie, a big lie, or even something too 726 00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,800 Speaker 3: extreme like murder. You if you were felt any sense 727 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,239 Speaker 3: of injustice, you would just you would fight for your character. 728 00:40:11,400 --> 00:40:13,759 Speaker 3: You would like to your point, I agree with you. 729 00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:16,120 Speaker 3: I'd like, no, no, no, Well, you know, and you see 730 00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:18,600 Speaker 3: plenty of the stories and people who trying to find 731 00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,920 Speaker 3: redemption and trying to get clarity and honesty and the 732 00:40:21,960 --> 00:40:25,200 Speaker 3: truth to come to the fore, specifically as it relates 733 00:40:25,239 --> 00:40:27,440 Speaker 3: to who they are as a human being in this planet. 734 00:40:27,960 --> 00:40:33,239 Speaker 3: You would, now, not everybody. Again, we all have unique experiences, 735 00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,600 Speaker 3: and so people do have put on their shell and go, 736 00:40:35,640 --> 00:40:38,680 Speaker 3: well you I'm innocent, and that's just the way it is. 737 00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:44,319 Speaker 3: And I got screwed by a system that is broken. Right, 738 00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,040 Speaker 3: you can see the psychology behind them, I'm pretty sure. 739 00:40:49,120 --> 00:40:57,320 Speaker 3: But in the end, most people are seeking survival right right, 740 00:40:57,400 --> 00:41:01,200 Speaker 3: Like it is that part of the right the amygdala 741 00:41:01,360 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 3: is just going, look, I'm going to figure I gotta 742 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,239 Speaker 3: survive I will do think, try and figure this out. 743 00:41:07,360 --> 00:41:10,440 Speaker 3: But you're right, I don't know where that is. And 744 00:41:10,480 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 3: it certainly lacks a layer of empathy and compassion for 745 00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,120 Speaker 3: someone who's like trying to understand you would you would 746 00:41:18,120 --> 00:41:21,040 Speaker 3: You'd be like I want you to understand, and you go, well, 747 00:41:21,120 --> 00:41:23,960 Speaker 3: let me. I'll back this up. So the wedding from 748 00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:30,319 Speaker 3: eight thirty to seventh thirty, right, literally we danced with Stacy, Yeah, 749 00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:33,759 Speaker 3: talk to you, you know whatever. And I think that's 750 00:41:33,800 --> 00:41:38,239 Speaker 3: the part that we're I'm not haven't seen it. I 751 00:41:38,239 --> 00:41:41,640 Speaker 3: haven't seen all the interviews. But you make a great 752 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:47,640 Speaker 3: point about that. And then certainly culturally and people judge 753 00:41:47,680 --> 00:41:51,160 Speaker 3: this way too, and people kind of they go because 754 00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:53,759 Speaker 3: everyone has a judging eye when they're talking about you 755 00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:56,640 Speaker 3: see somebody, whether it's a crime or somebody or you know, 756 00:41:56,680 --> 00:41:59,319 Speaker 3: like what's your what's your what's you're where you're coming from? 757 00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:02,400 Speaker 2: And then we all relate it through our own like 758 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,759 Speaker 2: what would I do? And thank goodness, I don't. I 759 00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,680 Speaker 2: have not had to ask myself. I've never been in 760 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:13,120 Speaker 2: any of these situations, and so it is impossible to 761 00:42:13,160 --> 00:42:15,640 Speaker 2: know how one might respond. But I think that kind 762 00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 2: of generally a human non sociopathic response would be one of, 763 00:42:26,120 --> 00:42:28,959 Speaker 2: you know, at the very least, just sort of helplessness 764 00:42:28,960 --> 00:42:31,680 Speaker 2: and feeling like, how could this be? 765 00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:32,239 Speaker 1: You know? 766 00:42:33,040 --> 00:42:36,600 Speaker 3: What can I do? Even? Yeah, you have so much time? 767 00:42:36,960 --> 00:42:38,360 Speaker 3: What is one thing I can do? 768 00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:39,479 Speaker 4: Right? One? 769 00:42:40,200 --> 00:42:41,840 Speaker 3: And then what would be the next thing I could do? 770 00:42:42,600 --> 00:42:45,239 Speaker 3: And then what would you know? You could track that? 771 00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,840 Speaker 3: And I would imagine if you were in that space, 772 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,560 Speaker 3: I would be fighting for my life. And that's in 773 00:42:51,600 --> 00:42:54,760 Speaker 3: my da Yeah. 774 00:42:54,800 --> 00:43:00,160 Speaker 2: Well, the movie is called Murder in the Hampton's and 775 00:42:59,760 --> 00:43:02,400 Speaker 2: it depending on where you're streaming it or it is 776 00:43:02,440 --> 00:43:07,160 Speaker 2: sometimes called Million Dollar Murder. And it's really really a 777 00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:10,080 Speaker 2: great movie, and Poppy Montgomery is wonderful in it, and 778 00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:14,640 Speaker 2: David Sutcliffe and I sean. 779 00:43:14,320 --> 00:43:15,360 Speaker 1: You're just a delight. 780 00:43:15,480 --> 00:43:18,239 Speaker 2: This is such it's been such a pleasure talking with you, 781 00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920 Speaker 2: and I hope we get to have you back for 782 00:43:21,560 --> 00:43:22,360 Speaker 2: one of the other. 783 00:43:25,200 --> 00:43:26,520 Speaker 1: Serial killers are something. 784 00:43:26,320 --> 00:43:30,279 Speaker 3: That you play go through the movies where I'm killing 785 00:43:30,280 --> 00:43:33,239 Speaker 3: peoples and not everyone's made on the true story. But yeah, 786 00:43:33,280 --> 00:43:35,720 Speaker 3: thank you. It's been an honor and pleasure. I enjoyed. 787 00:43:35,719 --> 00:43:37,839 Speaker 3: It was fun to kind of throw back and go 788 00:43:37,920 --> 00:43:40,400 Speaker 3: watch it again and sort of chop it up a 789 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:41,479 Speaker 3: little bit with a puzzle pieces. 790 00:43:41,520 --> 00:43:43,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, isn't it? Do you find it? 791 00:43:43,280 --> 00:43:46,040 Speaker 2: This is just a sidebar personal question that I always 792 00:43:46,080 --> 00:43:49,280 Speaker 2: find fascinating is do you find it easier to watch 793 00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,879 Speaker 2: things years later that you've done or do you watch 794 00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 2: them right away and feel great about them? 795 00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,520 Speaker 1: Or is it like what's your what's your vibe on that. 796 00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:01,560 Speaker 3: I am the worst at watching myself? Yeah, it's it's 797 00:44:01,840 --> 00:44:04,120 Speaker 3: I don't know if the worst I'm exaggerating, but it's 798 00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:06,719 Speaker 3: difficult because there's a bunch of lenses to look through it. 799 00:44:06,800 --> 00:44:10,000 Speaker 3: First of all, I'm always about how can I improve? 800 00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:13,880 Speaker 3: How can I get better? But the problem, you know, 801 00:44:13,960 --> 00:44:17,120 Speaker 3: certainly you can see if you're looking at So you 802 00:44:17,200 --> 00:44:19,239 Speaker 3: do the stuff, you film it, you tape it, you 803 00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:22,440 Speaker 3: do it, and then to watch is very self absorbing. 804 00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:25,320 Speaker 3: It's a lot to take right unless I'm going to 805 00:44:25,400 --> 00:44:29,760 Speaker 3: study it as a means of bringing more reality, truth, depth. 806 00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:34,279 Speaker 3: How why did I get my actresses lighting? Or you know, 807 00:44:34,400 --> 00:44:38,279 Speaker 3: things right, respectful things that you want to be mindful of, 808 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,040 Speaker 3: so I can go back through it and watch later 809 00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:49,680 Speaker 3: with a less discriminating eye and appreciate it and enjoy it. 810 00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:53,440 Speaker 3: It was interesting to watch the character and the choices 811 00:44:53,960 --> 00:44:56,560 Speaker 3: and the course of back. Part of my mind was like, well, 812 00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:57,319 Speaker 3: was that a good choice? 813 00:44:58,880 --> 00:45:00,399 Speaker 1: It never ends, I know never. 814 00:45:00,640 --> 00:45:02,000 Speaker 3: You're just like, I'm not going to make it. I'm 815 00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:05,960 Speaker 3: not gonna be an actor weird actor person because they 816 00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:06,600 Speaker 3: can get you. 817 00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:09,360 Speaker 1: Turn to yeah yeah, yeah. 818 00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:15,160 Speaker 3: Which I'm just I'm very a lot of stuff. We're 819 00:45:15,160 --> 00:45:22,200 Speaker 3: both like, no, right, psychology myself right now, but I 820 00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:25,239 Speaker 3: can watch it better later. Yeah. I don't ever know 821 00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,400 Speaker 3: I was so young then or any of that. I 822 00:45:27,400 --> 00:45:29,680 Speaker 3: don't get it. That stuff part doesn't really bother me. 823 00:45:29,719 --> 00:45:34,040 Speaker 3: I just appreciate the entertainment of it and going on, 824 00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 3: what a cool experience in my life kind of I 825 00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 3: see it now retrospect. 826 00:45:40,320 --> 00:45:44,439 Speaker 1: You're grateful, Yeah, I agree. Well, you're as I said, 827 00:45:44,440 --> 00:45:49,560 Speaker 1: this is wonderful. Thank you so much, and the movie 828 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,000 Speaker 1: is streaming. Yeah, thank you so much. 829 00:45:53,000 --> 00:45:55,120 Speaker 3: Sean, Well, thank you, thank you to your audience. I 830 00:45:55,120 --> 00:45:57,440 Speaker 3: appreciate you having me on. I hope our past across 831 00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:57,960 Speaker 3: again soon. 832 00:45:58,120 --> 00:46:01,480 Speaker 1: Me too, Me too.