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I don't 0:01:26.000 --> 0:01:30.679 know how much you guys are into, uh, like, modern television. 0:01:31.640 --> 0:01:34.119 I typically have not been, and I think a lot 0:01:34.160 --> 0:01:37.800 of people like pride themselves on not being into modern television. 0:01:38.000 --> 0:01:40.360 But then when you really dig down, you find that 0:01:40.440 --> 0:01:42.839 there's a lot of stuff that they actually watch and enjoy. 0:01:43.440 --> 0:01:47.240 Perhaps perhaps I've found myself in that category and I've 0:01:47.240 --> 0:01:51.920 been caught red handed because this week on the podcast, 0:01:52.560 --> 0:01:54.840 we've got a guy who's become a friend of mine 0:01:54.880 --> 0:01:58.040 that I like got named Cam Spinks. If you know 0:01:58.200 --> 0:02:02.600 that name, then you have recently been watching The Voice 0:02:03.000 --> 0:02:06.400 from NBC. The Voice. It's a television show. It's a 0:02:06.480 --> 0:02:10.920 singing competition. Cam Sphinx is from Alabama and he was 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:13.480 at the Global headquarters this week. He's a big hunter. 0:02:13.880 --> 0:02:17.400 Cam is a big white tail hunter, turkey hunter, duck hunter. 0:02:17.680 --> 0:02:21.040 We had a really fun conversation with Cam about his 0:02:21.160 --> 0:02:25.600 experience being on this show called The Voice, and a 0:02:25.680 --> 0:02:29.800 lot about his hunting experience and his music. And this 0:02:29.880 --> 0:02:33.639 is just an all around fun podcast that you're gonna enjoy. 0:02:34.560 --> 0:02:39.600 Be sure to check out our buddies at Northwoods Bear Products. 0:02:39.639 --> 0:02:44.359 Northwoods makes commercial bear sense and we've been using them 0:02:44.360 --> 0:02:48.960 for years, years and there. If you're painting black bears, 0:02:49.360 --> 0:02:51.840 brown bears up in Alaska, it makes sense to use 0:02:51.880 --> 0:02:55.320 a commercial sense. 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Okay, it's true. 0:03:41.920 --> 0:03:47.080 So Cam was on the Voice the Voice, and if 0:03:47.120 --> 0:03:50.240 you know what that is, then you're you've got your 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:55.240 pulse on pop culture. My wife and I I'm gonna 0:03:55.240 --> 0:03:59.000 embarrass him. My wife and I have always we've sort 0:03:59.040 --> 0:04:02.560 of prided ourselves Cam, I'm not watching like mainstream television, 0:04:02.560 --> 0:04:08.040 and we have for years. Okay, good and this year 0:04:08.440 --> 0:04:11.240 I guess it was with like just COVID nineteen stuff. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:16.040 We Uh, the kids started watching the voice. I started 0:04:16.040 --> 0:04:19.840 watching and I got sucked in. Man, I got sucked in. 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:23.640 And who was up on the screen And I wouldn't 0:04:23.640 --> 0:04:27.839 have known him, Cam Spins. So Cam was on the voice. 0:04:28.000 --> 0:04:33.400 And so what was wild was I'm gonna say all 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.719 this before I even let him talk. He they saw 0:04:36.760 --> 0:04:39.320 in the voice. They do, they introduce these musicians, so 0:04:39.400 --> 0:04:44.520 the voices a well tell us what the voice is Cam. 0:04:44.680 --> 0:04:51.360 So the voices is a singing competition essentially, And uh, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.360 they do try to build up, you know, as far 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:57.920 as the beginning of the of the show. Every season, 0:04:57.960 --> 0:05:00.800 you know, when they're introducing all the a different artists, 0:05:01.440 --> 0:05:05.760 they try to, you know, basically fit your whole life 0:05:05.800 --> 0:05:10.920 into a few minutes three people, a brief snapshot of 0:05:10.920 --> 0:05:14.680 of what you're about, you know, and so um that's 0:05:14.720 --> 0:05:18.000 what they did. And I have to say, I felt 0:05:18.000 --> 0:05:19.599 like I was a whole lot different than most of 0:05:19.600 --> 0:05:26.360 the other people on the show. You've You've You've took 0:05:26.400 --> 0:05:28.719 me to the point where when I saw his intro, 0:05:29.160 --> 0:05:32.279 I immediately said, I said that dude's a hunter. I 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:34.359 said that to my wife, Missed. I said that dude's 0:05:34.360 --> 0:05:37.400 a hunter. And then I saw the picture. There was 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:39.120 a little section of the video of you with a 0:05:39.360 --> 0:05:44.279 with a buck, like not alive buck, and and uh, 0:05:44.560 --> 0:05:48.000 and I was like, that guy's a hunter. I knew it. 0:05:48.080 --> 0:05:51.240 I held it for seon and then I went to 0:05:51.360 --> 0:05:55.719 his Instagram page and sure enough it was like full 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.040 of hunting photos. And I was like, I knew this 0:05:58.080 --> 0:06:00.839 guy was a hunter. And and we we watched the 0:06:00.880 --> 0:06:03.520 whole season. You know, it came out like once a 0:06:03.560 --> 0:06:08.280 week for how long is it? I think it ended up? Um, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:11.600 I can't remember how many weeks it was. Probably they 0:06:11.600 --> 0:06:14.520 had to kind of condense this season to make it 0:06:14.560 --> 0:06:17.479 a little shorter than they normally would because of the Olympics. 0:06:17.560 --> 0:06:22.320 NBC the network also had the Olympics scheduled, and so 0:06:22.560 --> 0:06:26.120 we had a limited amount of time, uh, relative to 0:06:26.160 --> 0:06:28.200 a normal season. I think it was eight or it 0:06:28.279 --> 0:06:31.760 was like eight or ten weeks, I believe somewhere in there. Um. 0:06:31.960 --> 0:06:35.120 And I made it through. I guess probably half of 0:06:35.160 --> 0:06:39.760 those before I was eliminated. Um. But uh, yeah, and 0:06:39.800 --> 0:06:44.520 then the Olympics obviously didn't happen, and the show itself 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:47.760 almost didn't happen, you know, it was. It was. It 0:06:47.839 --> 0:06:55.000 was an interesting, interesting season, unprecedented season to say the least. Well, 0:06:55.640 --> 0:06:58.440 so I get on his Instagram page find out my 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:06.160 discernment was absolutely correct. Yeah, and then like I don't know, 0:07:07.000 --> 0:07:12.160 like even after that, like months after that, I saw 0:07:12.200 --> 0:07:15.960 his page again and I saw that he was in Fayetteville, Arkansas. 0:07:16.120 --> 0:07:18.320 Which so the whole voice that were saying you from 0:07:18.320 --> 0:07:21.320 Alabama and that's exactly where you've grown up, that's exactly 0:07:21.720 --> 0:07:25.520 just moved to Northwest Arkansas, I did. I moved to 0:07:25.640 --> 0:07:30.680 Northwest Arkansas in April of this year, late April, um, 0:07:31.160 --> 0:07:33.120 I believe, no, no, no, it was the beginning of 0:07:33.120 --> 0:07:38.360 April because it was almost Turkey season, almost Turkey season, um, 0:07:38.560 --> 0:07:40.880 and probably not enough time for you to find a gobbler. 0:07:42.360 --> 0:07:44.320 Uh not for lack of effort, I'll tell you that. 0:07:44.400 --> 0:07:47.360 We'll get into that, I guess. But uh yeah, I 0:07:47.360 --> 0:07:49.559 had just come off the heels of an incredible season 0:07:49.600 --> 0:07:54.200 in Alabama and have some turkeys over there. We're covered 0:07:54.240 --> 0:07:58.480 in them, um. And so you know, we, my brother 0:07:58.520 --> 0:08:02.240 and I we had just an exceptional turkey season this 0:08:02.440 --> 0:08:05.840 this spring. And so I was like still really you know, 0:08:06.120 --> 0:08:08.360 hot on it, And I was like man, I'm I'm 0:08:08.360 --> 0:08:10.960 gonna go They're gonna kill a turkey and you and 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.200 little did I know. The more research I did and 0:08:14.200 --> 0:08:16.920 the more miles I logged on all these management areas 0:08:16.920 --> 0:08:20.559 around here, I realized that, you know, it was about 0:08:20.560 --> 0:08:23.360 as likely as me killing a bull elk in one's 0:08:23.400 --> 0:08:29.520 West Arkansas. Just really slim. Uh, you know, but it 0:08:29.560 --> 0:08:32.480 sounds like you tried. That's cool. Yeah, I did. Like 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.640 I said, it wasn't for lack of effort. I I 0:08:34.679 --> 0:08:39.680 went down to I went to the Weddington Management Area Oka. UM. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.800 I went to see. This is okay to tell because 0:08:43.080 --> 0:08:45.160 we always talked about how we don't talk about public 0:08:45.200 --> 0:08:48.640 hunting areas specifically, but if you're telling how there's no 0:08:48.760 --> 0:08:55.200 game there whatsoever, it's perfectly fine. Well everywhere um that 0:08:55.280 --> 0:08:58.760 there were no turkeys to be found anywhere on these 0:08:58.800 --> 0:09:01.760 management areas or at lea. I wasn't lucky enough to 0:09:01.760 --> 0:09:04.640 stumble across one, but I logged a lot of miles 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:12.000 on Weddington, on um Lee Creek south down forty nine, 0:09:12.000 --> 0:09:13.719 and then also on the other side of forty nine 0:09:13.920 --> 0:09:19.240 at white Rock and um Man. Just not a track, 0:09:19.400 --> 0:09:23.040 not a feather, nothing, Man, I'm impressed that you. I 0:09:23.080 --> 0:09:26.680 mean you did to have found that all that country. Yeah, 0:09:26.800 --> 0:09:30.720 I mean I I I joined all these forums. I 0:09:30.720 --> 0:09:32.880 mean I was hell bent on trying to find a 0:09:32.960 --> 0:09:36.440 turkey up here. Uh. You know, like I said, the 0:09:36.440 --> 0:09:40.479 more research I did, the more people I talked to, um, 0:09:40.640 --> 0:09:42.439 the more I understood that if you want to kill 0:09:42.440 --> 0:09:45.840 a turkey in Arkansas, you need to go south or east. 0:09:46.520 --> 0:09:48.079 If you want to kill a turkey in Arkansas, you 0:09:48.400 --> 0:09:54.679 gotta go out of state. Yeah, absolutely, uh hear mains 0:09:54.720 --> 0:10:00.319 good man. Um. So, okay, so we've we've entered duced 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.280 how I know that's what That's what I wanted to 0:10:02.320 --> 0:10:06.240 get and I want to uh man, I'm afraid if 0:10:06.240 --> 0:10:09.240 we jump into hunting, will never go back probably, So 0:10:09.600 --> 0:10:13.280 this is not priority. This, like the order of conversation 0:10:13.400 --> 0:10:15.959 is not about priority, because I think once we jump 0:10:16.000 --> 0:10:17.920 into hunt and we're just gonna talk about hunting. But 0:10:18.000 --> 0:10:22.480 so I want to go back to the voice, Cam. 0:10:22.559 --> 0:10:26.199 You are, are you a country music artists? I am. 0:10:26.240 --> 0:10:31.760 I'm a country music artist. I um. I've been writing 0:10:31.760 --> 0:10:35.360 and playing for about ten years now. Okay. I was 0:10:35.400 --> 0:10:39.040 in college and I was trying to find some way 0:10:39.080 --> 0:10:41.120 to not have to work really hard when I got 0:10:41.160 --> 0:10:45.360 out and I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna 0:10:45.360 --> 0:10:48.000 be a musician because they don't they don't look like 0:10:48.040 --> 0:10:51.640 they have to work. Uh, you know, a musician, a 0:10:51.720 --> 0:10:53.640 turkey hunter. I didn't know what I was doing for 0:10:53.760 --> 0:10:56.520 being perfectly honest, but no, I kind of dove in 0:10:56.559 --> 0:10:59.520 head first. I've always had kind of a knack for 0:10:59.520 --> 0:11:02.720 for music. I've always loved music, country music in general 0:11:02.800 --> 0:11:07.400 and in UM specific. But uh so I just you know, 0:11:09.200 --> 0:11:13.679 dedicated myself to it. Um So you did you know 0:11:13.679 --> 0:11:19.760 how to play guitar? Very little? Yes, Um, I had 0:11:19.920 --> 0:11:23.520 very limited guitar skills at that age. UM, but it 0:11:23.559 --> 0:11:26.480 always had a guitar around, you know, like probably half 0:11:26.520 --> 0:11:30.679 of college guys. But um so, yeah, I just started 0:11:30.720 --> 0:11:33.880 picking up guitar. Had some buddies in my fraternity that 0:11:33.960 --> 0:11:36.320 also played instruments, and one thing led to another and 0:11:36.440 --> 0:11:40.280 we started the worst band of all time. UM named 0:11:42.040 --> 0:11:48.960 the name of that project. You you're gonna love it. 0:11:49.040 --> 0:11:52.679 Our mascot in the fraternity was a buzzard, and so 0:11:52.720 --> 0:11:58.520 we were. We were the backdoor Buzzards. The backdoor Buzzards. 0:11:58.800 --> 0:12:02.000 We won't get into that, but uh, that was our name. 0:12:02.040 --> 0:12:09.679 And we played basements, um, and that's about it in Birmingham. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:12.320 In Birmingham, Yeah, we were in Birmingham. UM. And so 0:12:12.360 --> 0:12:16.680 that was my first project. And then once I got 0:12:16.679 --> 0:12:20.679 out of college, I was at home, UM, working for 0:12:20.760 --> 0:12:26.640 our our family company and UM still doing music. UM, 0:12:26.679 --> 0:12:29.320 you know, still progressing, and I had some I met 0:12:29.880 --> 0:12:32.600 several other people that ended up starting another project with 0:12:32.960 --> 0:12:36.680 more legitimate project. We actually played gigs, you know, we 0:12:36.720 --> 0:12:39.120 played at bars and things like that. And what was 0:12:39.160 --> 0:12:41.880 the evolution of this name? Oh man, we kind of 0:12:41.960 --> 0:12:43.679 dumbed it down for that when it was just the 0:12:43.679 --> 0:12:47.080 camp Spinx band against my will, I wanted to come 0:12:47.160 --> 0:12:50.200 up with something creative and cool, but which we did 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.840 later on. We ended up morphing into uh, camp Spins 0:12:53.880 --> 0:12:57.120 in the fifty eight, which that's the first two letters 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.480 of our tag. I d s in Alabama for the 0:12:59.480 --> 0:13:02.360 county that we lived in, and all four of us 0:13:02.400 --> 0:13:05.480 were from the same county. So it was camp Spins 0:13:05.480 --> 0:13:08.840 in Theft, which I thought was pretty neat. UM. I 0:13:08.880 --> 0:13:10.600 wish we could. I wish I could still have a 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:14.600 band called the fifty eight. But anyways, uh yeah, So 0:13:14.640 --> 0:13:18.640 then that project kind of phased out and I think 0:13:18.760 --> 0:13:22.400 that was. I think that one was. I remember exactly 0:13:22.400 --> 0:13:24.360 what it was. I moved to Nashville. I was in 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:30.520 Nashville for about three years, um pursuing music writing. I 0:13:30.559 --> 0:13:32.240 wanted to be a writer. I didn't want a tour. 0:13:32.440 --> 0:13:33.719 I didn't want to be an artist and want to 0:13:33.720 --> 0:13:36.160 do any of that. So I wanted to get a 0:13:36.160 --> 0:13:40.199 public publishing deal and just write songs. That's all I 0:13:40.320 --> 0:13:43.559 god to do. That way, I could, you know, so 0:13:43.679 --> 0:13:45.040 do you could get up in the morning and go 0:13:45.080 --> 0:13:47.360 to work and then by you know, three or four 0:13:47.360 --> 0:13:50.400 in the afternoon, I was fishing somewhere, you know. So, 0:13:50.400 --> 0:13:53.800 so you that's one of your strengths, then absolutely, I 0:13:53.800 --> 0:13:57.080 would say, in in the entire musical spectrum, I would 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.760 say that, um, my songwriting is what I think is 0:14:00.800 --> 0:14:04.480 my biggest strength. Um. Now that that's kind of interesting 0:14:04.520 --> 0:14:07.680 because I mean, what I learned from watching the Voice 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:12.480 is that it's like, I mean, like really top end 0:14:12.640 --> 0:14:18.040 musicians vocally, it's not necessarily about like what you've written 0:14:18.160 --> 0:14:20.120 or done, because I mean a lot of these people 0:14:20.960 --> 0:14:24.760 would I mean, like some of them weren't even really 0:14:24.800 --> 0:14:27.280 in band. I mean, like Todd Tilman, was he not 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:31.400 having my good friend, Todd Boy. Me and Todd hit 0:14:31.440 --> 0:14:33.200 it off a lot because we're both from the South, 0:14:33.440 --> 0:14:35.360 and uh, this is the guy that this is the 0:14:35.360 --> 0:14:38.040 guy that ended up winning and actually eliminated me from 0:14:38.040 --> 0:14:40.800 the competition. Um, earlier on, it's because you had a 0:14:40.840 --> 0:14:44.440 Travis Trip song. Oh, don't get me started on that. 0:14:45.080 --> 0:14:48.480 Don't get me started on that. My My point is 0:14:48.480 --> 0:14:51.520 that you have a you have a strong voice, thank you, 0:14:51.600 --> 0:14:54.000 thank you. And I and I do. I think I 0:14:54.040 --> 0:14:57.400 have a pretty good voice. Um, but I'm definitely more 0:14:57.440 --> 0:15:02.160 proud of my I think I'm a lot more proud 0:15:02.200 --> 0:15:06.800 of that. Um. Just you know, it's there's a lot 0:15:06.840 --> 0:15:09.120 of people out there with great voices, but I feel 0:15:09.120 --> 0:15:11.040 like there's a lot less people out there that can 0:15:11.080 --> 0:15:14.280 write a great song. UM. So yeah, I'm I'm a 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:16.640 little more proud of that for sure. Yeah, it's definitely 0:15:16.720 --> 0:15:20.600 a different craft for sure. Yeah. So what happened to Nashville? 0:15:20.600 --> 0:15:23.760 Did it not work? So? Um, I was awfully green 0:15:23.800 --> 0:15:28.280 when I moved up there. Um, and it wasn't what 0:15:28.400 --> 0:15:31.880 I expected early on. And I kind of kept telling 0:15:31.920 --> 0:15:33.800 myself like, Okay, they you know, they call it a 0:15:33.800 --> 0:15:37.080 ten year town for a reason, you know. Um, and 0:15:37.160 --> 0:15:39.360 So okay, man, we're gonna have to get down to 0:15:40.160 --> 0:15:43.440 why they call it a ten year town, because that's 0:15:43.840 --> 0:15:47.080 generally how long, uh, it takes for you to be 0:15:47.760 --> 0:15:53.080 successful in um or at least most people if they 0:15:53.120 --> 0:15:56.520 get if they find success, they could could if you 0:15:56.520 --> 0:15:58.080 you give it ten years, and if you're not where 0:15:58.120 --> 0:16:01.720 you want to be in ten years, then moved back 0:16:01.720 --> 0:16:04.240 to Texas. Willie Nelson didn't have a number one hit 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:06.520 until he was in his I want to say, thirties, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:10.680 which you think about that that's pretty crazy. But yeah, 0:16:10.720 --> 0:16:14.000 there's a lot of people that I went to Nashville 0:16:14.000 --> 0:16:17.480 when they were young. Um, it wasn't what they thought. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:21.200 They left years later, came back and found success. There's 0:16:21.240 --> 0:16:26.080 plenty of people like that. Um, But I have no 0:16:26.120 --> 0:16:31.200 desire to go back. I'll tell you that. I well, 0:16:31.400 --> 0:16:36.480 for people like me, um, having grown up pretty rural, 0:16:37.280 --> 0:16:40.320 um you know, kind of walk out your back door 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.640 and go hunting kind of rural. Um, it was tough 0:16:43.720 --> 0:16:47.280 living in a city like that and just getting acclimated, 0:16:47.320 --> 0:16:50.600 which I did and I got used to it. Um, 0:16:50.680 --> 0:16:57.000 But I just it's such a tough industry on top 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.400 of having to change my lifestyle that much. That wore 0:17:00.440 --> 0:17:03.040 me down. Really, I assume you had to like work 0:17:03.080 --> 0:17:07.879 a normal job. You're trying to do ye my bills. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.400 I was a chim law on technician by trade while 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:13.480 I was up there. Um, and then when you drive 0:17:13.520 --> 0:17:17.840 through Nashville and you see like, just like normal people working, 0:17:18.600 --> 0:17:21.600 could you assume that some percentage of them are trying 0:17:21.640 --> 0:17:26.200 to a large portion of them everyone that um is 0:17:26.240 --> 0:17:30.480 a waitress a waiter dream Yeah, Oh yeah I would, 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:35.600 I would say, um, a half. Yeah, it's kind I 0:17:35.640 --> 0:17:39.720 was kind of token. I was insuing that is there 0:17:39.720 --> 0:17:45.080 are um so many people up there trying to to 0:17:45.160 --> 0:17:47.600 cut their teeth in the music business and having to 0:17:47.640 --> 0:17:49.680 work you know, jobs to pay the bills on top 0:17:49.680 --> 0:17:55.280 of it is a grind. It's a hustle, and um, 0:17:55.320 --> 0:17:57.480 it wore me down a lot quicker than it would 0:17:57.840 --> 0:18:00.080 a lot I guess millions of other people that are 0:18:00.080 --> 0:18:02.560 they're trying to do it. But I had I had 0:18:02.600 --> 0:18:05.680 a great job, you know, available back home, and so 0:18:06.480 --> 0:18:09.320 I was tired of being broke and discouraged, and so 0:18:09.920 --> 0:18:11.680 I moved back home. I guess that was in two 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:18.399 thousand and fifteen. I want to say that I moved 0:18:18.400 --> 0:18:23.360 back home fifteen or six might have been two thousands sixteen. Actually, Um, 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.520 so I get back home and I just go to 0:18:25.520 --> 0:18:29.679 work for the company, um real estate and land development. 0:18:29.720 --> 0:18:32.679 That's what we did. We basically build neighborhoods and build 0:18:32.680 --> 0:18:36.359 houses and sell them and you know the whole nine. Um. 0:18:36.400 --> 0:18:39.000 But so I started working, but I was still doing music, 0:18:39.040 --> 0:18:42.840 you know. Um So that's when Camp Spins in Theft 0:18:43.280 --> 0:18:45.240 was formed. It was a lot of the same guys 0:18:45.240 --> 0:18:48.919 from the previous project before I had moved to Nashville. 0:18:51.000 --> 0:18:56.480 Kind of ill probably yeah, They're like it was just 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:00.479 a matter of time. Been waiting on this call for 0:19:00.520 --> 0:19:03.280 a couple of years now. But but no, we had 0:19:03.280 --> 0:19:05.560 a good run with that one. We probably played together 0:19:05.600 --> 0:19:09.480 for maybe a year or two, I can't remember. And 0:19:09.680 --> 0:19:12.720 um then at that point, I was like, you know what, 0:19:14.600 --> 0:19:17.600 nobody in Nashville wanted to buy my songs or no 0:19:17.720 --> 0:19:21.080 publishers wanted to sign me for X reason or why reason. 0:19:21.760 --> 0:19:24.480 So you know what, I'm just gonna start cutting all 0:19:24.480 --> 0:19:28.040 my songs and putting them out myself. Uh So That's 0:19:28.040 --> 0:19:29.960 what I did, and that's what I've been doing ever since. 0:19:30.080 --> 0:19:34.800 And now I have some guys, um a couple of 0:19:34.800 --> 0:19:36.680 guys from Alabama, a couple of guys from Nashville to 0:19:36.720 --> 0:19:38.920 play with me. Uh, and they just backed me as 0:19:38.960 --> 0:19:42.639 Camp Spinks. It's just, you know, that's what it is. Um. 0:19:42.680 --> 0:19:46.679 There's no like set band. We might you know, filter 0:19:46.800 --> 0:19:49.600 through several musicians at at each position. You know, it 0:19:49.720 --> 0:19:53.479 just depending on what's available, um, which is not a 0:19:53.480 --> 0:19:58.720 lot right now given the times. Uh. I've always said, 0:19:59.119 --> 0:20:03.840 especially lately, that I'm glad that I um have other 0:20:03.920 --> 0:20:06.400 skills and other trades that I'm good at, because if 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:08.520 I were a full time musician right now, I would 0:20:08.520 --> 0:20:13.000 be kicking myself because you are not playing and I 0:20:13.119 --> 0:20:17.480 probably won't be playing much for the foreseeable future. So UM, 0:20:17.480 --> 0:20:21.959 thankful that that I know how to do other things. Um. 0:20:22.000 --> 0:20:26.560 But that said, the dream is still So you started musician, Yeah, 0:20:26.800 --> 0:20:30.480 so you started. You started, You're already writing your own music. 0:20:30.520 --> 0:20:33.080 You started recording your own music as cam Spax. And 0:20:33.119 --> 0:20:37.560 then so take me to what made you want to 0:20:37.560 --> 0:20:41.400 try it? For the voice? That's um. Actually that's how 0:20:41.440 --> 0:20:46.359 they found me. They asked you. They the Voice is 0:20:46.520 --> 0:20:54.520 very diligent about scouting great talent. There's a very small 0:20:54.600 --> 0:20:56.800 percentage of people that make it to the show. That 0:20:56.880 --> 0:20:59.720 we're a product of those big you know, cattle calls, 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:02.960 those big public tryouts. You know, a lot of it 0:21:03.119 --> 0:21:06.080 is you know, you get an email from a scout 0:21:06.080 --> 0:21:08.679 and they're like, hey, here's this song and we we 0:21:08.760 --> 0:21:12.320 really like it. Would you be interested in? Okay, no, 0:21:12.440 --> 0:21:15.400 and uh an audition for the voice and so that's 0:21:15.440 --> 0:21:20.640 how they contacted me. Yeah, it was pretty cool, I'll 0:21:20.640 --> 0:21:23.400 tell you. Um, I had always kind of sworn off 0:21:23.440 --> 0:21:25.960 stuff like that. I was like, Nah, I'm not gonna 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:32.119 do just like they're gonna you know, they're gonna dictate 0:21:32.160 --> 0:21:34.240 your every move the whole time, Like it won't even 0:21:34.280 --> 0:21:37.960 be that much fun like but the But I reluctantly 0:21:38.280 --> 0:21:41.480 I agreed to go to Atlanta for a try out 0:21:41.520 --> 0:21:44.600 for some of the producers, and um, by the end 0:21:44.640 --> 0:21:46.840 of that, they were like, we want to fly you 0:21:46.880 --> 0:21:51.520 out to l A and um, you know, have you 0:21:51.560 --> 0:21:54.440 continue on the on the process of getting on the show, 0:21:54.480 --> 0:21:58.040 And so you know, I said, what the hell, let's 0:21:58.080 --> 0:22:02.000 do it. So I flew out California and ended up 0:22:02.000 --> 0:22:04.159 making it onto the show. Um all the way, and 0:22:04.200 --> 0:22:08.520 so I spent um how many people originally are on 0:22:08.560 --> 0:22:11.760 the show, like from like the first episode, I would 0:22:11.800 --> 0:22:18.000 say from the first from the first episode, Um, I 0:22:18.080 --> 0:22:22.640 want to say, so the number of people that had 0:22:22.680 --> 0:22:25.320 a blind audition, which is when they turned their chairs 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:30.679 or they don't, there was probably I don't know, fifty 0:22:30.760 --> 0:22:35.800 six people. Okay, so they have narrowed down that small 0:22:35.840 --> 0:22:40.280 of a number before the first episode. Okay, So but 0:22:40.400 --> 0:22:46.160 fifty or sixty people get a blind audition on television, yes, okay, so, 0:22:46.520 --> 0:22:49.399 but they don't they don't show all of them. And 0:22:49.440 --> 0:22:53.359 then there's also or they show like little snippets or 0:22:53.440 --> 0:22:57.000 you know, the guarantee that they show your actual alternation 0:22:57.119 --> 0:23:02.640 because maybe you know. I'm let me describe the way 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:08.560 it works. Because so there's there's four big chairs that 0:23:08.720 --> 0:23:12.320 are that are on a swivel. Have you seen it? 0:23:12.400 --> 0:23:18.439 Code you pop culture? I can't believe you. Just for 0:23:18.480 --> 0:23:23.920 somebody for TMZ on the side. So there's there's basically 0:23:24.000 --> 0:23:26.600 chair the backs of these chairs are faced towards the stage, 0:23:27.280 --> 0:23:29.720 and and then there's in these chairs are these four 0:23:30.040 --> 0:23:33.480 really famous people? I wouldn't have known you any of 0:23:33.560 --> 0:23:37.440 them work except for Blake Shelton, John Legend, Blake Shelton, 0:23:37.560 --> 0:23:43.280 John Legend, Kelly Clarkson Clarkson and yes, I shouldn't say this, 0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.960 but I had no idea who he was. He's a 0:23:46.000 --> 0:23:50.520 brother good. I like that. They were like, I was like, 0:23:51.240 --> 0:23:53.159 you know because that kind of like there was an 0:23:53.160 --> 0:23:56.760 episode where they filmed us like all reacting to finding 0:23:56.800 --> 0:23:59.800 out who he was, because at that point in time, 0:23:59.800 --> 0:24:03.320 they was there was only three judges from the previous season. 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:05.679 They're bringing on a new one and I was supposed 0:24:05.720 --> 0:24:08.919 to be this big surprise, this mystery, and when I 0:24:08.960 --> 0:24:13.440 found out who it was, I was like, uh, I'm 0:24:13.640 --> 0:24:18.199 missing something, you know. Okay, I knew who he was, 0:24:18.280 --> 0:24:24.240 but Toby is always I think he's always dreamed of 0:24:24.280 --> 0:24:30.720 being in a boy band. So basically it is so 0:24:31.720 --> 0:24:36.480 so a musician comes out and performs, and if the 0:24:37.440 --> 0:24:40.320 this person in the chair likes what they hear, essentially 0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.520 they spend the chair around and if they don't like it, 0:24:43.560 --> 0:24:45.760 they don't spend their chair around. And they're trying to 0:24:45.800 --> 0:24:49.520 gather teams. So everybody's got so anyway, basically a blind audition, 0:24:49.600 --> 0:24:52.600 like if you get if a chair turns around, that's 0:24:52.640 --> 0:24:55.199 like a good thing because some people play and no 0:24:55.359 --> 0:24:58.520 chairs turned around, and if that happens it's bad. How 0:24:58.520 --> 0:25:01.199 many people turned on your I had to it was 0:25:01.320 --> 0:25:07.480 Blake and Kelly. Those two turned yeah well too, I 0:25:07.560 --> 0:25:10.240 know the lingo now that was the two chair two chair, 0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.520 two chair turn, two chair turn. That's right, and those 0:25:13.520 --> 0:25:16.359