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I don't 21 00:01:26,000 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: know how much you guys are into, uh, like, modern television. 22 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,119 Speaker 1: I typically have not been, and I think a lot 23 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:37,800 Speaker 1: of people like pride themselves on not being into modern television. 24 00:01:38,000 --> 00:01:40,360 Speaker 1: But then when you really dig down, you find that 25 00:01:40,440 --> 00:01:42,839 Speaker 1: there's a lot of stuff that they actually watch and enjoy. 26 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,240 Speaker 1: Perhaps perhaps I've found myself in that category and I've 27 00:01:47,240 --> 00:01:51,920 Speaker 1: been caught red handed because this week on the podcast, 28 00:01:52,560 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: we've got a guy who's become a friend of mine 29 00:01:54,880 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: that I like got named Cam Spinks. If you know 30 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:02,600 Speaker 1: that name, then you have recently been watching The Voice 31 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:06,400 Speaker 1: from NBC. The Voice. It's a television show. It's a 32 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:10,920 Speaker 1: singing competition. Cam Sphinx is from Alabama and he was 33 00:02:11,120 --> 00:02:13,480 Speaker 1: at the Global headquarters this week. He's a big hunter. 34 00:02:13,880 --> 00:02:17,400 Speaker 1: Cam is a big white tail hunter, turkey hunter, duck hunter. 35 00:02:17,680 --> 00:02:21,040 Speaker 1: We had a really fun conversation with Cam about his 36 00:02:21,160 --> 00:02:25,600 Speaker 1: experience being on this show called The Voice, and a 37 00:02:25,680 --> 00:02:29,800 Speaker 1: lot about his hunting experience and his music. 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This is uh, 47 00:03:11,680 --> 00:03:15,280 Speaker 1: this is Cam Spink's first time to the global headquarters, 48 00:03:15,880 --> 00:03:20,560 Speaker 1: first time in the global headquarters. Um Man, Cam, Okay, 49 00:03:21,000 --> 00:03:24,520 Speaker 1: before I tell who you are, I've got to tell 50 00:03:25,360 --> 00:03:31,360 Speaker 1: that you're gonna ruin my reputation. Okay, already are already 51 00:03:31,400 --> 00:03:33,480 Speaker 1: told him this, So he's ready for it. You're gonna 52 00:03:33,600 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: ruin my reputation because now everybody is gonna know that 53 00:03:38,080 --> 00:03:41,720 Speaker 1: I keep my pulse on the pop culture. Okay, it's true. 54 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: So Cam was on the Voice the Voice, and if 55 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:50,240 Speaker 1: you know what that is, then you're you've got your 56 00:03:50,280 --> 00:03:55,240 Speaker 1: pulse on pop culture. My wife and I I'm gonna 57 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:59,000 Speaker 1: embarrass him. My wife and I have always we've sort 58 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: of prided ourselves Cam, I'm not watching like mainstream television, 59 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:08,040 Speaker 1: and we have for years. Okay, good and this year 60 00:04:08,440 --> 00:04:11,240 Speaker 1: I guess it was with like just COVID nineteen stuff. 61 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 1: We Uh, the kids started watching the voice. I started 62 00:04:16,040 --> 00:04:19,840 Speaker 1: watching and I got sucked in. Man, I got sucked in. 63 00:04:20,680 --> 00:04:23,640 Speaker 1: And who was up on the screen And I wouldn't 64 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: have known him, Cam Spins. So Cam was on the voice. 65 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:33,400 Speaker 1: And so what was wild was I'm gonna say all 66 00:04:33,400 --> 00:04:36,719 Speaker 1: this before I even let him talk. He they saw 67 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:39,320 Speaker 1: in the voice. They do, they introduce these musicians, so 68 00:04:39,400 --> 00:04:44,520 Speaker 1: the voices a well tell us what the voice is Cam. 69 00:04:44,680 --> 00:04:51,360 Speaker 1: So the voices is a singing competition essentially, And uh, 70 00:04:51,400 --> 00:04:54,360 Speaker 1: they do try to build up, you know, as far 71 00:04:54,400 --> 00:04:57,920 Speaker 1: as the beginning of the of the show. Every season, 72 00:04:57,960 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: you know, when they're introducing all the a different artists, 73 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:05,760 Speaker 1: they try to, you know, basically fit your whole life 74 00:05:05,800 --> 00:05:10,920 Speaker 1: into a few minutes three people, a brief snapshot of 75 00:05:10,920 --> 00:05:14,680 Speaker 1: of what you're about, you know, and so um that's 76 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:18,000 Speaker 1: what they did. And I have to say, I felt 77 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 1: like I was a whole lot different than most of 78 00:05:19,600 --> 00:05:26,360 Speaker 1: the other people on the show. You've You've You've took 79 00:05:26,400 --> 00:05:28,719 Speaker 1: me to the point where when I saw his intro, 80 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:32,279 Speaker 1: I immediately said, I said that dude's a hunter. I 81 00:05:32,320 --> 00:05:34,359 Speaker 1: said that to my wife, Missed. I said that dude's 82 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,400 Speaker 1: a hunter. And then I saw the picture. There was 83 00:05:37,400 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: a little section of the video of you with a 84 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,279 Speaker 1: with a buck, like not alive buck, and and uh, 85 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:48,000 Speaker 1: and I was like, that guy's a hunter. I knew it. 86 00:05:48,080 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: I held it for seon and then I went to 87 00:05:51,360 --> 00:05:55,719 Speaker 1: his Instagram page and sure enough it was like full 88 00:05:55,760 --> 00:05:58,040 Speaker 1: of hunting photos. And I was like, I knew this 89 00:05:58,080 --> 00:06:00,839 Speaker 1: guy was a hunter. And and we we watched the 90 00:06:00,880 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 1: whole season. You know, it came out like once a 91 00:06:03,560 --> 00:06:08,280 Speaker 1: week for how long is it? I think it ended up? Um, 92 00:06:08,720 --> 00:06:11,600 Speaker 1: I can't remember how many weeks it was. Probably they 93 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: had to kind of condense this season to make it 94 00:06:14,560 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 1: a little shorter than they normally would because of the Olympics. 95 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:22,320 Speaker 1: NBC the network also had the Olympics scheduled, and so 96 00:06:22,560 --> 00:06:26,120 Speaker 1: we had a limited amount of time, uh, relative to 97 00:06:26,160 --> 00:06:28,200 Speaker 1: a normal season. I think it was eight or it 98 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:31,760 Speaker 1: was like eight or ten weeks, I believe somewhere in there. Um. 99 00:06:31,960 --> 00:06:35,120 Speaker 1: And I made it through. I guess probably half of 100 00:06:35,160 --> 00:06:39,760 Speaker 1: those before I was eliminated. Um. But uh, yeah, and 101 00:06:39,800 --> 00:06:44,520 Speaker 1: then the Olympics obviously didn't happen, and the show itself 102 00:06:44,560 --> 00:06:47,760 Speaker 1: almost didn't happen, you know, it was. It was. It 103 00:06:47,839 --> 00:06:55,000 Speaker 1: was an interesting, interesting season, unprecedented season to say the least. Well, 104 00:06:55,640 --> 00:06:58,440 Speaker 1: so I get on his Instagram page find out my 105 00:06:58,839 --> 00:07:06,160 Speaker 1: discernment was absolutely correct. Yeah, and then like I don't know, 106 00:07:07,000 --> 00:07:12,160 Speaker 1: like even after that, like months after that, I saw 107 00:07:12,200 --> 00:07:15,960 Speaker 1: his page again and I saw that he was in Fayetteville, Arkansas. 108 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:18,320 Speaker 1: Which so the whole voice that were saying you from 109 00:07:18,320 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: Alabama and that's exactly where you've grown up, that's exactly 110 00:07:21,720 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: just moved to Northwest Arkansas, I did. I moved to 111 00:07:25,640 --> 00:07:30,680 Speaker 1: Northwest Arkansas in April of this year, late April, um, 112 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: I believe, no, no, no, it was the beginning of 113 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:38,360 Speaker 1: April because it was almost Turkey season, almost Turkey season, um, 114 00:07:38,560 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: and probably not enough time for you to find a gobbler. 115 00:07:42,360 --> 00:07:44,320 Speaker 1: Uh not for lack of effort, I'll tell you that. 116 00:07:44,400 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: We'll get into that, I guess. But uh yeah, I 117 00:07:47,360 --> 00:07:49,559 Speaker 1: had just come off the heels of an incredible season 118 00:07:49,600 --> 00:07:54,200 Speaker 1: in Alabama and have some turkeys over there. We're covered 119 00:07:54,240 --> 00:07:58,480 Speaker 1: in them, um. And so you know, we, my brother 120 00:07:58,520 --> 00:08:02,240 Speaker 1: and I we had just an exceptional turkey season this 121 00:08:02,440 --> 00:08:05,840 Speaker 1: this spring. And so I was like still really you know, 122 00:08:06,120 --> 00:08:08,360 Speaker 1: hot on it, And I was like man, I'm I'm 123 00:08:08,360 --> 00:08:10,960 Speaker 1: gonna go They're gonna kill a turkey and you and 124 00:08:11,040 --> 00:08:14,200 Speaker 1: little did I know. The more research I did and 125 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: the more miles I logged on all these management areas 126 00:08:16,920 --> 00:08:20,559 Speaker 1: around here, I realized that, you know, it was about 127 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,360 Speaker 1: as likely as me killing a bull elk in one's 128 00:08:23,400 --> 00:08:29,520 Speaker 1: West Arkansas. Just really slim. Uh, you know, but it 129 00:08:29,560 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: sounds like you tried. That's cool. Yeah, I did. Like 130 00:08:32,520 --> 00:08:34,640 Speaker 1: I said, it wasn't for lack of effort. I I 131 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,680 Speaker 1: went down to I went to the Weddington Management Area Oka. UM. 132 00:08:39,880 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: I went to see. This is okay to tell because 133 00:08:43,080 --> 00:08:45,160 Speaker 1: we always talked about how we don't talk about public 134 00:08:45,200 --> 00:08:48,640 Speaker 1: hunting areas specifically, but if you're telling how there's no 135 00:08:48,760 --> 00:08:55,200 Speaker 1: game there whatsoever, it's perfectly fine. Well everywhere um that 136 00:08:55,280 --> 00:08:58,760 Speaker 1: there were no turkeys to be found anywhere on these 137 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:01,760 Speaker 1: management areas or at lea. I wasn't lucky enough to 138 00:09:01,760 --> 00:09:04,640 Speaker 1: stumble across one, but I logged a lot of miles 139 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 1: on Weddington, on um Lee Creek south down forty nine, 140 00:09:12,000 --> 00:09:13,719 Speaker 1: and then also on the other side of forty nine 141 00:09:13,920 --> 00:09:19,240 Speaker 1: at white Rock and um Man. Just not a track, 142 00:09:19,400 --> 00:09:23,040 Speaker 1: not a feather, nothing, Man, I'm impressed that you. I 143 00:09:23,080 --> 00:09:26,680 Speaker 1: mean you did to have found that all that country. Yeah, 144 00:09:26,800 --> 00:09:30,720 Speaker 1: I mean I I I joined all these forums. I 145 00:09:30,720 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 1: mean I was hell bent on trying to find a 146 00:09:32,960 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: turkey up here. Uh. You know, like I said, the 147 00:09:36,440 --> 00:09:40,479 Speaker 1: more research I did, the more people I talked to, um, 148 00:09:40,640 --> 00:09:42,439 Speaker 1: the more I understood that if you want to kill 149 00:09:42,440 --> 00:09:45,840 Speaker 1: a turkey in Arkansas, you need to go south or east. 150 00:09:46,520 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: If you want to kill a turkey in Arkansas, you 151 00:09:48,400 --> 00:09:54,679 Speaker 1: gotta go out of state. Yeah, absolutely, uh hear mains 152 00:09:54,720 --> 00:10:00,319 Speaker 1: good man. Um. So, okay, so we've we've entered duced 153 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,280 Speaker 1: how I know that's what That's what I wanted to 154 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:06,240 Speaker 1: get and I want to uh man, I'm afraid if 155 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,240 Speaker 1: we jump into hunting, will never go back probably, So 156 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:13,280 Speaker 1: this is not priority. This, like the order of conversation 157 00:10:13,400 --> 00:10:15,959 Speaker 1: is not about priority, because I think once we jump 158 00:10:16,000 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: into hunt and we're just gonna talk about hunting. But 159 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:22,480 Speaker 1: so I want to go back to the voice, Cam. 160 00:10:22,559 --> 00:10:26,199 Speaker 1: You are, are you a country music artists? I am. 161 00:10:26,240 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 1: I'm a country music artist. I um. I've been writing 162 00:10:31,760 --> 00:10:35,360 Speaker 1: and playing for about ten years now. Okay. I was 163 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: in college and I was trying to find some way 164 00:10:39,080 --> 00:10:41,120 Speaker 1: to not have to work really hard when I got 165 00:10:41,160 --> 00:10:45,360 Speaker 1: out and I thought, you know what, I'm just gonna 166 00:10:45,360 --> 00:10:48,000 Speaker 1: be a musician because they don't they don't look like 167 00:10:48,040 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: they have to work. Uh, you know, a musician, a 168 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:53,640 Speaker 1: turkey hunter. I didn't know what I was doing for 169 00:10:53,760 --> 00:10:56,520 Speaker 1: being perfectly honest, but no, I kind of dove in 170 00:10:56,559 --> 00:10:59,520 Speaker 1: head first. I've always had kind of a knack for 171 00:10:59,520 --> 00:11:02,720 Speaker 1: for music. I've always loved music, country music in general 172 00:11:02,800 --> 00:11:07,400 Speaker 1: and in UM specific. But uh so I just you know, 173 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,679 Speaker 1: dedicated myself to it. Um So you did you know 174 00:11:13,679 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: how to play guitar? Very little? Yes, Um, I had 175 00:11:19,920 --> 00:11:23,520 Speaker 1: very limited guitar skills at that age. UM, but it 176 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:26,480 Speaker 1: always had a guitar around, you know, like probably half 177 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:30,679 Speaker 1: of college guys. But um so, yeah, I just started 178 00:11:30,720 --> 00:11:33,880 Speaker 1: picking up guitar. Had some buddies in my fraternity that 179 00:11:33,960 --> 00:11:36,320 Speaker 1: also played instruments, and one thing led to another and 180 00:11:36,440 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 1: we started the worst band of all time. UM named 181 00:11:42,040 --> 00:11:48,960 Speaker 1: the name of that project. You you're gonna love it. 182 00:11:49,040 --> 00:11:52,679 Speaker 1: Our mascot in the fraternity was a buzzard, and so 183 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:58,520 Speaker 1: we were. We were the backdoor Buzzards. The backdoor Buzzards. 184 00:11:58,800 --> 00:12:02,000 Speaker 1: We won't get into that, but uh, that was our name. 185 00:12:02,040 --> 00:12:09,679 Speaker 1: And we played basements, um, and that's about it in Birmingham. 186 00:12:09,679 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: In Birmingham, Yeah, we were in Birmingham. UM. And so 187 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:16,680 Speaker 1: that was my first project. And then once I got 188 00:12:16,679 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 1: out of college, I was at home, UM, working for 189 00:12:20,760 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: our our family company and UM still doing music. UM, 190 00:12:26,679 --> 00:12:29,320 Speaker 1: you know, still progressing, and I had some I met 191 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:32,600 Speaker 1: several other people that ended up starting another project with 192 00:12:32,960 --> 00:12:36,680 Speaker 1: more legitimate project. We actually played gigs, you know, we 193 00:12:36,720 --> 00:12:39,120 Speaker 1: played at bars and things like that. And what was 194 00:12:39,160 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: the evolution of this name? Oh man, we kind of 195 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:43,679 Speaker 1: dumbed it down for that when it was just the 196 00:12:43,679 --> 00:12:47,080 Speaker 1: camp Spinx band against my will, I wanted to come 197 00:12:47,160 --> 00:12:50,200 Speaker 1: up with something creative and cool, but which we did 198 00:12:50,320 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 1: later on. We ended up morphing into uh, camp Spins 199 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: in the fifty eight, which that's the first two letters 200 00:12:57,160 --> 00:12:59,480 Speaker 1: of our tag. I d s in Alabama for the 201 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: county that we lived in, and all four of us 202 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,480 Speaker 1: were from the same county. So it was camp Spins 203 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,840 Speaker 1: in Theft, which I thought was pretty neat. UM. I 204 00:13:08,880 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: wish we could. I wish I could still have a 205 00:13:10,600 --> 00:13:14,600 Speaker 1: band called the fifty eight. But anyways, uh yeah, So 206 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:18,640 Speaker 1: then that project kind of phased out and I think 207 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 1: that was. I think that one was. I remember exactly 208 00:13:22,400 --> 00:13:24,360 Speaker 1: what it was. I moved to Nashville. I was in 209 00:13:24,440 --> 00:13:30,520 Speaker 1: Nashville for about three years, um pursuing music writing. I 210 00:13:30,559 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: wanted to be a writer. I didn't want a tour. 211 00:13:32,440 --> 00:13:33,719 Speaker 1: I didn't want to be an artist and want to 212 00:13:33,720 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: do any of that. So I wanted to get a 213 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:40,199 Speaker 1: public publishing deal and just write songs. That's all I 214 00:13:40,320 --> 00:13:43,559 Speaker 1: god to do. That way, I could, you know, so 215 00:13:43,679 --> 00:13:45,040 Speaker 1: do you could get up in the morning and go 216 00:13:45,080 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: to work and then by you know, three or four 217 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,400 Speaker 1: in the afternoon, I was fishing somewhere, you know. So, 218 00:13:50,400 --> 00:13:53,800 Speaker 1: so you that's one of your strengths, then absolutely, I 219 00:13:53,800 --> 00:13:57,080 Speaker 1: would say, in in the entire musical spectrum, I would 220 00:13:57,080 --> 00:14:00,760 Speaker 1: say that, um, my songwriting is what I think is 221 00:14:00,800 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: my biggest strength. Um. Now that that's kind of interesting 222 00:14:04,520 --> 00:14:07,680 Speaker 1: because I mean, what I learned from watching the Voice 223 00:14:08,040 --> 00:14:12,480 Speaker 1: is that it's like, I mean, like really top end 224 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: musicians vocally, it's not necessarily about like what you've written 225 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: or done, because I mean a lot of these people 226 00:14:20,960 --> 00:14:24,760 Speaker 1: would I mean, like some of them weren't even really 227 00:14:24,800 --> 00:14:27,280 Speaker 1: in band. I mean, like Todd Tilman, was he not 228 00:14:27,400 --> 00:14:31,400 Speaker 1: having my good friend, Todd Boy. Me and Todd hit 229 00:14:31,440 --> 00:14:33,200 Speaker 1: it off a lot because we're both from the South, 230 00:14:33,440 --> 00:14:35,360 Speaker 1: and uh, this is the guy that this is the 231 00:14:35,360 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 1: guy that ended up winning and actually eliminated me from 232 00:14:38,040 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: the competition. Um, earlier on, it's because you had a 233 00:14:40,840 --> 00:14:44,440 Speaker 1: Travis Trip song. Oh, don't get me started on that. 234 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:48,480 Speaker 1: Don't get me started on that. My My point is 235 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:51,520 Speaker 1: that you have a you have a strong voice, thank you, 236 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 1: thank you. And I and I do. I think I 237 00:14:54,040 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: have a pretty good voice. Um, but I'm definitely more 238 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:02,160 Speaker 1: proud of my I think I'm a lot more proud 239 00:15:02,200 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: of that. Um. Just you know, it's there's a lot 240 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,120 Speaker 1: of people out there with great voices, but I feel 241 00:15:09,120 --> 00:15:11,040 Speaker 1: like there's a lot less people out there that can 242 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: write a great song. UM. So yeah, I'm I'm a 243 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 1: little more proud of that for sure. Yeah, it's definitely 244 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 1: a different craft for sure. Yeah. So what happened to Nashville? 245 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:23,760 Speaker 1: Did it not work? So? Um, I was awfully green 246 00:15:23,800 --> 00:15:28,280 Speaker 1: when I moved up there. Um, and it wasn't what 247 00:15:28,400 --> 00:15:31,880 Speaker 1: I expected early on. And I kind of kept telling 248 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: myself like, Okay, they you know, they call it a 249 00:15:33,800 --> 00:15:37,080 Speaker 1: ten year town for a reason, you know. Um, and 250 00:15:37,160 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: So okay, man, we're gonna have to get down to 251 00:15:40,160 --> 00:15:43,440 Speaker 1: why they call it a ten year town, because that's 252 00:15:43,840 --> 00:15:47,080 Speaker 1: generally how long, uh, it takes for you to be 253 00:15:47,760 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: successful in um or at least most people if they 254 00:15:53,120 --> 00:15:56,520 Speaker 1: get if they find success, they could could if you 255 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: you give it ten years, and if you're not where 256 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: you want to be in ten years, then moved back 257 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 1: to Texas. Willie Nelson didn't have a number one hit 258 00:16:04,320 --> 00:16:06,520 Speaker 1: until he was in his I want to say, thirties, 259 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: which you think about that that's pretty crazy. But yeah, 260 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:14,000 Speaker 1: there's a lot of people that I went to Nashville 261 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:17,480 Speaker 1: when they were young. Um, it wasn't what they thought. 262 00:16:17,520 --> 00:16:21,200 Speaker 1: They left years later, came back and found success. There's 263 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:26,080 Speaker 1: plenty of people like that. Um, But I have no 264 00:16:26,120 --> 00:16:31,200 Speaker 1: desire to go back. I'll tell you that. I well, 265 00:16:31,400 --> 00:16:36,480 Speaker 1: for people like me, um, having grown up pretty rural, 266 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 1: um you know, kind of walk out your back door 267 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 1: and go hunting kind of rural. Um, it was tough 268 00:16:43,720 --> 00:16:47,280 Speaker 1: living in a city like that and just getting acclimated, 269 00:16:47,320 --> 00:16:50,600 Speaker 1: which I did and I got used to it. Um, 270 00:16:50,680 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: But I just it's such a tough industry on top 271 00:16:57,040 --> 00:17:00,400 Speaker 1: of having to change my lifestyle that much. That wore 272 00:17:00,440 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: me down. Really, I assume you had to like work 273 00:17:03,080 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: a normal job. You're trying to do ye my bills. 274 00:17:08,560 --> 00:17:11,400 Speaker 1: I was a chim law on technician by trade while 275 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: I was up there. Um, and then when you drive 276 00:17:13,520 --> 00:17:17,840 Speaker 1: through Nashville and you see like, just like normal people working, 277 00:17:18,600 --> 00:17:21,600 Speaker 1: could you assume that some percentage of them are trying 278 00:17:21,640 --> 00:17:26,200 Speaker 1: to a large portion of them everyone that um is 279 00:17:26,240 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: a waitress a waiter dream Yeah, Oh yeah I would, 280 00:17:30,480 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: I would say, um, a half. Yeah, it's kind I 281 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:39,720 Speaker 1: was kind of token. I was insuing that is there 282 00:17:39,720 --> 00:17:45,080 Speaker 1: are um so many people up there trying to to 283 00:17:45,160 --> 00:17:47,600 Speaker 1: cut their teeth in the music business and having to 284 00:17:47,640 --> 00:17:49,680 Speaker 1: work you know, jobs to pay the bills on top 285 00:17:49,680 --> 00:17:55,280 Speaker 1: of it is a grind. It's a hustle, and um, 286 00:17:55,320 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: it wore me down a lot quicker than it would 287 00:17:57,840 --> 00:18:00,080 Speaker 1: a lot I guess millions of other people that are 288 00:18:00,080 --> 00:18:02,560 Speaker 1: they're trying to do it. But I had I had 289 00:18:02,600 --> 00:18:05,680 Speaker 1: a great job, you know, available back home, and so 290 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:09,320 Speaker 1: I was tired of being broke and discouraged, and so 291 00:18:09,920 --> 00:18:11,680 Speaker 1: I moved back home. I guess that was in two 292 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:18,399 Speaker 1: thousand and fifteen. I want to say that I moved 293 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:23,360 Speaker 1: back home fifteen or six might have been two thousands sixteen. Actually, Um, 294 00:18:23,760 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: so I get back home and I just go to 295 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:29,679 Speaker 1: work for the company, um real estate and land development. 296 00:18:29,720 --> 00:18:32,679 Speaker 1: That's what we did. We basically build neighborhoods and build 297 00:18:32,680 --> 00:18:36,359 Speaker 1: houses and sell them and you know the whole nine. Um. 298 00:18:36,400 --> 00:18:39,000 Speaker 1: But so I started working, but I was still doing music, 299 00:18:39,040 --> 00:18:42,840 Speaker 1: you know. Um So that's when Camp Spins in Theft 300 00:18:43,280 --> 00:18:45,240 Speaker 1: was formed. It was a lot of the same guys 301 00:18:45,240 --> 00:18:48,919 Speaker 1: from the previous project before I had moved to Nashville. 302 00:18:51,000 --> 00:18:56,480 Speaker 1: Kind of ill probably yeah, They're like it was just 303 00:18:56,520 --> 00:19:00,479 Speaker 1: a matter of time. Been waiting on this call for 304 00:19:00,520 --> 00:19:03,280 Speaker 1: a couple of years now. But but no, we had 305 00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:05,560 Speaker 1: a good run with that one. We probably played together 306 00:19:05,600 --> 00:19:09,480 Speaker 1: for maybe a year or two, I can't remember. And 307 00:19:09,680 --> 00:19:12,720 Speaker 1: um then at that point, I was like, you know what, 308 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,600 Speaker 1: nobody in Nashville wanted to buy my songs or no 309 00:19:17,720 --> 00:19:21,080 Speaker 1: publishers wanted to sign me for X reason or why reason. 310 00:19:21,760 --> 00:19:24,480 Speaker 1: So you know what, I'm just gonna start cutting all 311 00:19:24,480 --> 00:19:28,040 Speaker 1: my songs and putting them out myself. Uh So That's 312 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 1: what I did, and that's what I've been doing ever since. 313 00:19:30,080 --> 00:19:34,800 Speaker 1: And now I have some guys, um a couple of 314 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:36,680 Speaker 1: guys from Alabama, a couple of guys from Nashville to 315 00:19:36,720 --> 00:19:38,920 Speaker 1: play with me. Uh, and they just backed me as 316 00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,639 Speaker 1: Camp Spinks. It's just, you know, that's what it is. Um. 317 00:19:42,680 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 1: There's no like set band. We might you know, filter 318 00:19:46,800 --> 00:19:49,600 Speaker 1: through several musicians at at each position. You know, it 319 00:19:49,720 --> 00:19:53,479 Speaker 1: just depending on what's available, um, which is not a 320 00:19:53,480 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 1: lot right now given the times. Uh. I've always said, 321 00:19:59,119 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 1: especially lately, that I'm glad that I um have other 322 00:20:03,920 --> 00:20:06,400 Speaker 1: skills and other trades that I'm good at, because if 323 00:20:06,400 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: I were a full time musician right now, I would 324 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:13,000 Speaker 1: be kicking myself because you are not playing and I 325 00:20:13,119 --> 00:20:17,480 Speaker 1: probably won't be playing much for the foreseeable future. So UM, 326 00:20:17,480 --> 00:20:21,959 Speaker 1: thankful that that I know how to do other things. Um. 327 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:26,560 Speaker 1: But that said, the dream is still So you started musician, Yeah, 328 00:20:26,800 --> 00:20:30,480 Speaker 1: so you started. You started, You're already writing your own music. 329 00:20:30,520 --> 00:20:33,080 Speaker 1: You started recording your own music as cam Spax. And 330 00:20:33,119 --> 00:20:37,560 Speaker 1: then so take me to what made you want to 331 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:41,400 Speaker 1: try it? For the voice? That's um. Actually that's how 332 00:20:41,440 --> 00:20:46,359 Speaker 1: they found me. They asked you. They the Voice is 333 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:54,520 Speaker 1: very diligent about scouting great talent. There's a very small 334 00:20:54,600 --> 00:20:56,800 Speaker 1: percentage of people that make it to the show. That 335 00:20:56,880 --> 00:20:59,720 Speaker 1: we're a product of those big you know, cattle calls, 336 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:02,960 Speaker 1: those big public tryouts. You know, a lot of it 337 00:21:03,119 --> 00:21:06,080 Speaker 1: is you know, you get an email from a scout 338 00:21:06,080 --> 00:21:08,679 Speaker 1: and they're like, hey, here's this song and we we 339 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,320 Speaker 1: really like it. Would you be interested in? Okay, no, 340 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:15,400 Speaker 1: and uh an audition for the voice and so that's 341 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:20,640 Speaker 1: how they contacted me. Yeah, it was pretty cool, I'll 342 00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,400 Speaker 1: tell you. Um, I had always kind of sworn off 343 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:25,960 Speaker 1: stuff like that. I was like, Nah, I'm not gonna 344 00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:32,119 Speaker 1: do just like they're gonna you know, they're gonna dictate 345 00:21:32,160 --> 00:21:34,240 Speaker 1: your every move the whole time, Like it won't even 346 00:21:34,280 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 1: be that much fun like but the But I reluctantly 347 00:21:38,280 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 1: I agreed to go to Atlanta for a try out 348 00:21:41,520 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 1: for some of the producers, and um, by the end 349 00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: of that, they were like, we want to fly you 350 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:51,520 Speaker 1: out to l A and um, you know, have you 351 00:21:51,560 --> 00:21:54,440 Speaker 1: continue on the on the process of getting on the show, 352 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:58,040 Speaker 1: And so you know, I said, what the hell, let's 353 00:21:58,080 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: do it. So I flew out California and ended up 354 00:22:02,000 --> 00:22:04,159 Speaker 1: making it onto the show. Um all the way, and 355 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:08,520 Speaker 1: so I spent um how many people originally are on 356 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,760 Speaker 1: the show, like from like the first episode, I would 357 00:22:11,800 --> 00:22:18,000 Speaker 1: say from the first from the first episode, Um, I 358 00:22:18,080 --> 00:22:22,640 Speaker 1: want to say, so the number of people that had 359 00:22:22,680 --> 00:22:25,320 Speaker 1: a blind audition, which is when they turned their chairs 360 00:22:25,400 --> 00:22:30,679 Speaker 1: or they don't, there was probably I don't know, fifty 361 00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:35,800 Speaker 1: six people. Okay, so they have narrowed down that small 362 00:22:35,840 --> 00:22:40,280 Speaker 1: of a number before the first episode. Okay, So but 363 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:46,160 Speaker 1: fifty or sixty people get a blind audition on television, yes, okay, so, 364 00:22:46,520 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: but they don't they don't show all of them. And 365 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:53,359 Speaker 1: then there's also or they show like little snippets or 366 00:22:53,440 --> 00:22:57,000 Speaker 1: you know, the guarantee that they show your actual alternation 367 00:22:57,119 --> 00:23:02,640 Speaker 1: because maybe you know. I'm let me describe the way 368 00:23:02,680 --> 00:23:08,560 Speaker 1: it works. Because so there's there's four big chairs that 369 00:23:08,720 --> 00:23:12,320 Speaker 1: are that are on a swivel. Have you seen it? 370 00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:18,439 Speaker 1: Code you pop culture? I can't believe you. Just for 371 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:23,920 Speaker 1: somebody for TMZ on the side. So there's there's basically 372 00:23:24,000 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 1: chair the backs of these chairs are faced towards the stage, 373 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: and and then there's in these chairs are these four 374 00:23:30,040 --> 00:23:33,480 Speaker 1: really famous people? I wouldn't have known you any of 375 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:37,440 Speaker 1: them work except for Blake Shelton, John Legend, Blake Shelton, 376 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:43,280 Speaker 1: John Legend, Kelly Clarkson Clarkson and yes, I shouldn't say this, 377 00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,960 Speaker 1: but I had no idea who he was. He's a 378 00:23:46,000 --> 00:23:50,520 Speaker 1: brother good. I like that. They were like, I was like, 379 00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,159 Speaker 1: you know because that kind of like there was an 380 00:23:53,160 --> 00:23:56,760 Speaker 1: episode where they filmed us like all reacting to finding 381 00:23:56,800 --> 00:23:59,800 Speaker 1: out who he was, because at that point in time, 382 00:23:59,800 --> 00:24:03,320 Speaker 1: they was there was only three judges from the previous season. 383 00:24:03,359 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: They're bringing on a new one and I was supposed 384 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:08,919 Speaker 1: to be this big surprise, this mystery, and when I 385 00:24:08,960 --> 00:24:13,440 Speaker 1: found out who it was, I was like, uh, I'm 386 00:24:13,640 --> 00:24:18,199 Speaker 1: missing something, you know. Okay, I knew who he was, 387 00:24:18,280 --> 00:24:24,240 Speaker 1: but Toby is always I think he's always dreamed of 388 00:24:24,280 --> 00:24:30,720 Speaker 1: being in a boy band. So basically it is so 389 00:24:31,720 --> 00:24:36,480 Speaker 1: so a musician comes out and performs, and if the 390 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:40,320 Speaker 1: this person in the chair likes what they hear, essentially 391 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,520 Speaker 1: they spend the chair around and if they don't like it, 392 00:24:43,560 --> 00:24:45,760 Speaker 1: they don't spend their chair around. And they're trying to 393 00:24:45,800 --> 00:24:49,520 Speaker 1: gather teams. So everybody's got so anyway, basically a blind audition, 394 00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,600 Speaker 1: like if you get if a chair turns around, that's 395 00:24:52,640 --> 00:24:55,199 Speaker 1: like a good thing because some people play and no 396 00:24:55,359 --> 00:24:58,520 Speaker 1: chairs turned around, and if that happens it's bad. How 397 00:24:58,520 --> 00:25:01,199 Speaker 1: many people turned on your I had to it was 398 00:25:01,320 --> 00:25:07,480 Speaker 1: Blake and Kelly. Those two turned yeah well too, I 399 00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:10,240 Speaker 1: know the lingo now that was the two chair two chair, 400 00:25:10,280 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 1: two chair turn, two chair turn. That's right, and those 401 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,359 Speaker 1: are the two that would turn for country. And I 402 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:24,879 Speaker 1: was the only UM country male on the season, was 403 00:25:24,920 --> 00:25:28,399 Speaker 1: the only one Todd. I think Odd was Todd was 404 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:30,720 Speaker 1: kind of a hybrid. Todd could do whatever they wanted 405 00:25:30,800 --> 00:25:34,399 Speaker 1: him to do. He's just an incredibly talented vocalist too. 406 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:40,159 Speaker 1: They could have thrown like a you know, a BIG's 407 00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:42,600 Speaker 1: song at him and he could have or a rap 408 00:25:42,680 --> 00:25:44,600 Speaker 1: song and he probably could have done it, you know. 409 00:25:44,680 --> 00:25:47,920 Speaker 1: I mean, he's just his his talent is pretty limitless 410 00:25:47,960 --> 00:25:53,880 Speaker 1: in the vocal department. So um, I think um they 411 00:25:53,960 --> 00:25:56,359 Speaker 1: kind of felt the lack of country in there, so 412 00:25:56,440 --> 00:25:59,040 Speaker 1: they you know, kind of eased him over a little 413 00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:04,480 Speaker 1: bit in that lane as which um, honestly I didn't mind, 414 00:26:04,600 --> 00:26:06,520 Speaker 1: especially when I got to hear him sing that Travis 415 00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:09,960 Speaker 1: Trip song because it was incredible. Uh. I love that song. 416 00:26:10,000 --> 00:26:12,240 Speaker 1: I love Travis Trip, and I think Todd did a 417 00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 1: great job with it. So I was I was glad 418 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:16,959 Speaker 1: to see that they were kind of you know, nudging 419 00:26:17,000 --> 00:26:19,160 Speaker 1: him over into the country, kind of letting you take 420 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,320 Speaker 1: that space. Yeah. So okay, So you you go, you 421 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 1: go to l A and you do the blind audition, 422 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:32,440 Speaker 1: you get chosen to be on uh Blake's team, so ba, Yeah, 423 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:36,840 Speaker 1: did you picked Blake? Yes? Did you pick the song yourself? Um? 424 00:26:38,600 --> 00:26:40,960 Speaker 1: What was it? Wave on Wave? Right? I will pat 425 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: green wink and tell you yes? Okay. Was that the 426 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:52,639 Speaker 1: same song that you would have sung for the producers beforehand? 427 00:26:52,720 --> 00:26:55,800 Speaker 1: Or was it a different song that is not what 428 00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:59,200 Speaker 1: I would have chosen to sing. Had I had a 429 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: autonomy over that? Yeah? Well, I mean like whenever they 430 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:04,080 Speaker 1: sent you to email and you did the first thing 431 00:27:04,080 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: where you sang no. Actually, the songs that I sang 432 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:15,560 Speaker 1: for that, what did I sing? Um? Oh? Man? What 433 00:27:15,680 --> 00:27:24,159 Speaker 1: did I sing? Question? Um? I think I think I 434 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:28,920 Speaker 1: sang an old Day, like an older David Nail song, 435 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:33,280 Speaker 1: which a lot of them probably had no idea what 436 00:27:33,359 --> 00:27:36,400 Speaker 1: it was. But it was kind of a ballad country 437 00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: song called the Sound of a Million Dreams. That was 438 00:27:39,119 --> 00:27:41,639 Speaker 1: one of them. And then another song that I played 439 00:27:41,840 --> 00:27:45,520 Speaker 1: was Midnight Train to Memphis by Chris Stapleton. That was 440 00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:51,879 Speaker 1: another guy. Uh just big Stapleton guy. Yeah, that was 441 00:27:52,280 --> 00:27:54,720 Speaker 1: That's always a favorite of mine to play. And so 442 00:27:54,720 --> 00:27:59,320 Speaker 1: so okay, so you you get on Blake's team, and 443 00:27:59,359 --> 00:28:02,880 Speaker 1: then so how far? How far did you go inside 444 00:28:02,880 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: the competition? So I made it to what they call 445 00:28:05,119 --> 00:28:07,560 Speaker 1: the knockout rounds. So I guess that would have been 446 00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: my um, the third round, I guess, yeah, yeah, absolutely. 447 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 1: I was extremely proud. My my goal going in was 448 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: just my first goal was, all right, let's just try 449 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:21,119 Speaker 1: to make it on the show officially, let's try to 450 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:25,439 Speaker 1: get a blind audition, whatever happens after that, whatever. And 451 00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:28,919 Speaker 1: so once I got um a blind audition and I 452 00:28:28,960 --> 00:28:30,400 Speaker 1: made it to that point, I was like, all right, 453 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:33,520 Speaker 1: I want to make it to the live rounds. I 454 00:28:33,520 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: want to be able to sing live. And that's just 455 00:28:37,200 --> 00:28:41,160 Speaker 1: after the knockout. So my knockout was against Todd. And 456 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:44,080 Speaker 1: if I'm being perfectly honest with you, as soon as 457 00:28:44,080 --> 00:28:46,520 Speaker 1: I found out I was paired against Todd, I should 458 00:28:46,560 --> 00:28:49,719 Speaker 1: have just packed my bags because I knew that that 459 00:28:49,800 --> 00:28:53,920 Speaker 1: was probably the end of the road. Um, But honestly, 460 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:56,760 Speaker 1: if I had to lose to anyone on the whole thing, 461 00:28:56,760 --> 00:28:59,920 Speaker 1: I'm glad it was him. Um. We became good for 462 00:29:00,080 --> 00:29:03,520 Speaker 1: is and we we've we stay in touch. Um. But yeah, 463 00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:05,280 Speaker 1: so I made it to what they call the knockout, right, 464 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:07,400 Speaker 1: so that would have been like half of the people gone, 465 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:12,640 Speaker 1: that's done. I think I guess that would have. Um, 466 00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:18,560 Speaker 1: so yes, after the knockouts, I think seventeen people remained 467 00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:22,680 Speaker 1: out of the initial Um you know, I guess each 468 00:29:23,520 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: each person had how many did they have? Was it 469 00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: ten per teen? Was forty of us total? Something? I 470 00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 1: think it was something like that. And so yeah, it's 471 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,320 Speaker 1: I probably made it about halfway through the competition. Cool. 472 00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:44,400 Speaker 1: So what what was your overall impression with the whole deal? Honestly, Um, 473 00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:48,280 Speaker 1: it was great. I it was a big time commitment 474 00:29:48,320 --> 00:29:51,000 Speaker 1: and that was my only Uh yeah, I was gonna 475 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,960 Speaker 1: ask you about that. Yeah, that was the only bone 476 00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 1: I had to pick with the whole process of everything. 477 00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:59,760 Speaker 1: Is it just I mean, you know, you're over you're 478 00:29:59,800 --> 00:30:03,480 Speaker 1: over in l A for X amount of time, uh, 479 00:30:03,560 --> 00:30:09,320 Speaker 1: and then you're on TV for two minutes. You know, 480 00:30:09,920 --> 00:30:12,680 Speaker 1: just the big disconnect between you know, you're there for 481 00:30:12,720 --> 00:30:16,040 Speaker 1: a month and you do all this filming and prep 482 00:30:16,080 --> 00:30:21,560 Speaker 1: and wardrobe and you know all kinds of stuff like that. Um, 483 00:30:21,840 --> 00:30:25,400 Speaker 1: legal social media. Every year you're in meetings and stuff, 484 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,080 Speaker 1: but then you have a ton of downtime as well, 485 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:33,160 Speaker 1: and so, um, you know, just Alabama boy out in 486 00:30:33,160 --> 00:30:38,920 Speaker 1: California twiddling his thumbs, you know. And part of that was, Um, 487 00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:42,280 Speaker 1: I think I was there in well, I was there 488 00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:48,840 Speaker 1: in January, um, which uh uh duck season and the 489 00:30:49,360 --> 00:30:53,520 Speaker 1: rut and the southern part of Alabama. And so I 490 00:30:53,560 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 1: was a little annoyed about that, you know, but you know, 491 00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:58,640 Speaker 1: how annoyed can you be when you're getting the opportunity 492 00:30:58,640 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 1: to be on national television singing. So I kept my perspective, 493 00:31:02,520 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: but you know, I just I couldn't believe that it 494 00:31:05,080 --> 00:31:08,280 Speaker 1: took as much time as it did, as much of 495 00:31:08,320 --> 00:31:11,840 Speaker 1: a time commitment. Um. So that was the only that 496 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:15,240 Speaker 1: was the only adverse, uh takeaway that I had. The 497 00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,680 Speaker 1: entire process, Um, the way they treat you, I mean, 498 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: state of the art, I mean just class. You know, 499 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 1: it was it was great. I mean I have nothing 500 00:31:23,920 --> 00:31:27,080 Speaker 1: bad to say about the show or the way it operates. Um, 501 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,280 Speaker 1: it is a show, and you have to keep that 502 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:32,640 Speaker 1: in mind when you're a part of it, um, and 503 00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:36,440 Speaker 1: just kind of swallow your pride every now and then Um, 504 00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,680 Speaker 1: but I kind of I I anticipated that going in, 505 00:31:40,840 --> 00:31:43,080 Speaker 1: so it wasn't too big of all, what did it? 506 00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,640 Speaker 1: What will this do for your music career? Is it 507 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: gonna help you? Well? Yeah, my goal, uh, my over 508 00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 1: overwhelming goal, my overarching goal for the for deciding to 509 00:31:53,680 --> 00:31:57,479 Speaker 1: do it, um, was just to kind of put myself 510 00:31:57,480 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: out there and get some exposure. Good, you know, get 511 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,520 Speaker 1: a little bit more of a fan base. Look what 512 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:07,160 Speaker 1: it's magazine podcast from the global Hey mom, we made 513 00:32:07,160 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: it okay, Um, but no, it was just to kind 514 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,480 Speaker 1: of get more of a following. I thought that if 515 00:32:14,480 --> 00:32:17,640 Speaker 1: I could get you know, people's attention one way or 516 00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: another on a large scale like that, and direct them 517 00:32:21,320 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 1: towards my original music, that you know, some things could happen. Um. 518 00:32:25,920 --> 00:32:29,800 Speaker 1: And then of course, uh, the season couldn't have been 519 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,680 Speaker 1: at a worse time in in history. Um. So they 520 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,720 Speaker 1: had to finish the show like on Zoom calls. It 521 00:32:37,920 --> 00:32:45,000 Speaker 1: was it was, it was, it was um strange. Uh. 522 00:32:45,040 --> 00:32:46,880 Speaker 1: And at that point, you know, I'm just a spectator. 523 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,000 Speaker 1: I'm no longer on the show, but I I finished 524 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:54,560 Speaker 1: watching the entire season. You'll watch all my friends, um, 525 00:32:54,640 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: And honestly, I have to say I'm kind of glad 526 00:32:57,640 --> 00:33:01,160 Speaker 1: that I got eliminated when I did, because those were just, 527 00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:03,440 Speaker 1: in my opinion, it was a little awkward, and I'm 528 00:33:03,440 --> 00:33:05,160 Speaker 1: just glad I didn't have to go through that part 529 00:33:05,800 --> 00:33:09,560 Speaker 1: of you know, setting up in your living room and zooming. 530 00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: You know, I just I'm not cut it. I'm not 531 00:33:11,800 --> 00:33:15,000 Speaker 1: really cut out for the whole uh, you know, relying 532 00:33:15,040 --> 00:33:19,800 Speaker 1: on technology that much. So I I uh, I'm obviously 533 00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:21,840 Speaker 1: I would have liked to have continued on the show, 534 00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,680 Speaker 1: but I'm thankful that I didn't have to do it 535 00:33:24,720 --> 00:33:30,840 Speaker 1: in that way. Yeah. Yeah, Well, um, so are you 536 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:37,160 Speaker 1: uh are you still like pursuing music pretty heavily? Yes? I. UM, 537 00:33:37,200 --> 00:33:41,520 Speaker 1: my plan post show the whole time was, um, as 538 00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:43,680 Speaker 1: soon as it's over, let's start putting more music out. 539 00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,560 Speaker 1: I had released, Um, I think I put out maybe 540 00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:51,080 Speaker 1: ten or twelve songs before the show, and uh, I 541 00:33:51,120 --> 00:33:53,560 Speaker 1: think it was maybe a week and a half ago. 542 00:33:53,640 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: We finally put maybe two weeks ago. We put out 543 00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:58,800 Speaker 1: some more. We put out three more songs a couple 544 00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:00,720 Speaker 1: of weeks ago, and then I've got another one coming 545 00:34:00,720 --> 00:34:06,920 Speaker 1: out this week actually on Wednesday. UM, and then I'm 546 00:34:06,920 --> 00:34:12,960 Speaker 1: gonna put out a song a month until songs. Just 547 00:34:13,520 --> 00:34:16,400 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a cool way to maintain consistency 548 00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:19,719 Speaker 1: and um, you know, just keep your audience intrigued a 549 00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:22,200 Speaker 1: little bit. You know, people they don't like to pay 550 00:34:22,239 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: attention to things for too long these days where they're 551 00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: paying there, you know, they get distracted by something else. 552 00:34:26,520 --> 00:34:29,160 Speaker 1: And so if you're giving them something on a consistent basis, 553 00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:30,520 Speaker 1: a little bit of a date that they can look 554 00:34:30,520 --> 00:34:33,000 Speaker 1: forward to for something new, I feel like it could 555 00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:37,239 Speaker 1: be cool and refreshing. So um, that's my plan right now. 556 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:43,160 Speaker 1: And then on top of that, trying, um scratching and 557 00:34:43,200 --> 00:34:46,920 Speaker 1: fighting trying to get back into the live music scene, 558 00:34:46,960 --> 00:34:51,840 Speaker 1: you know, because it's just our hands are tied right now. 559 00:34:51,880 --> 00:34:55,760 Speaker 1: I've managed to to land a couple of things, um 560 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 1: and uh, but you know, like I said, we're still 561 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: just severely limited on what we can do playing live music. 562 00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:08,040 Speaker 1: So just waiting on all that too to pick back up. Um. 563 00:35:08,080 --> 00:35:12,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, between between all the current events over the 564 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,319 Speaker 1: last several months and in history, it's been a pretty 565 00:35:15,400 --> 00:35:18,080 Speaker 1: terrible time to be a musician in my opinion, So 566 00:35:19,080 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: um wild, like I said, it couldn't have happened that 567 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,880 Speaker 1: at a worse time for me and everyone else that 568 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,560 Speaker 1: was on the show trying to you know, take advantage 569 00:35:26,560 --> 00:35:29,880 Speaker 1: of the momentum that you get from that. Um. Yeah, 570 00:35:30,200 --> 00:35:32,480 Speaker 1: you know, because if we could have kind of hit 571 00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: the ground running right after the show, right after I 572 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,480 Speaker 1: was eliminated, you know, you know, probably a different story 573 00:35:39,760 --> 00:35:42,320 Speaker 1: probably would have had some a little bit of momentum. 574 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,719 Speaker 1: Has it helped with your songwriting and all? Were you 575 00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,399 Speaker 1: able to, like song like, do some songwriting with other 576 00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:50,640 Speaker 1: contestants that might have done it, or I'll be honest, 577 00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 1: I'll level with you, I've never been great at writing 578 00:35:53,000 --> 00:35:58,600 Speaker 1: with people. Um. His new album is called Leave Me Alone. Yeah, 579 00:35:58,800 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 1: I thought that was just effect for the time, Like, hey, 580 00:36:07,360 --> 00:36:09,480 Speaker 1: but no, I um, you know, like I said, I 581 00:36:09,520 --> 00:36:14,719 Speaker 1: spent years in Nashville doing that and and um, first 582 00:36:14,719 --> 00:36:18,080 Speaker 1: for one reason or another, I just I didn't love it. 583 00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: And some people are like that, you know. Um, and 584 00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:24,400 Speaker 1: it wasn't that long ago that people wrote all their 585 00:36:24,400 --> 00:36:29,799 Speaker 1: own songs, you know. So UM, I just I don't 586 00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:31,719 Speaker 1: spend a whole lot of time doing that. I never have. 587 00:36:32,480 --> 00:36:34,600 Speaker 1: I kind of reached a point where I realized this 588 00:36:34,640 --> 00:36:38,080 Speaker 1: isn't my strong suit writing with people, co writing, um, 589 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,560 Speaker 1: and so I'm just I'm not gonna, you know, spend 590 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: a lot of energy trying to make that happen. I 591 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: still do it from time to time, not gonna lie. Um. 592 00:36:45,400 --> 00:36:52,920 Speaker 1: Have you ever written a hunting song? Yes? I have. UM. 593 00:36:52,960 --> 00:36:56,960 Speaker 1: Actually Father's Day this past weekend, I wrote a song 594 00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: called I Got It from my Daddy. Um, and it 595 00:37:00,520 --> 00:37:05,880 Speaker 1: talks about deer hunting and in the first rifle that 596 00:37:05,920 --> 00:37:09,160 Speaker 1: I had and stuff like that. Um. And I think 597 00:37:09,320 --> 00:37:11,480 Speaker 1: there's been other songs where I've kind of slipped it 598 00:37:11,480 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: in little nuances and stuff references. Um, I do a 599 00:37:17,520 --> 00:37:20,760 Speaker 1: lot of Over the years, I've hunted a lot in Kentucky, 600 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:26,640 Speaker 1: and so I write, Um, I've written about parts of Kentucky. Um, 601 00:37:26,760 --> 00:37:29,120 Speaker 1: you know I love I love that state. I love hunting. 602 00:37:29,120 --> 00:37:32,359 Speaker 1: That state is gorgeous. Um. Good friend of mine has 603 00:37:32,400 --> 00:37:34,160 Speaker 1: a farm out there, and so we go every year 604 00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:37,280 Speaker 1: at least a couple of weekends. Oddly enough, he gets 605 00:37:37,520 --> 00:37:40,680 Speaker 1: a lot of ducks really in Kentucky. Yeah, oh man, 606 00:37:40,960 --> 00:37:45,480 Speaker 1: we smashed up. And what's the So I could give 607 00:37:45,560 --> 00:37:50,640 Speaker 1: like a spiel about like hunting in Arkansas? What's I 608 00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,600 Speaker 1: really don't know a lot about Alabama other than just 609 00:37:53,960 --> 00:37:57,920 Speaker 1: like hunting in Alabama. Other than that high deer numbers, 610 00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:04,399 Speaker 1: it's classic kind uh delta type, bottom land type hunting. 611 00:38:04,440 --> 00:38:06,640 Speaker 1: But but I don't want to I'm not just talking 612 00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:09,160 Speaker 1: about deer hunting, Like, what is it? What is it? 613 00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:12,400 Speaker 1: What is it like to be a hunter in Alabama? Um? 614 00:38:12,440 --> 00:38:18,240 Speaker 1: Being a hunter in Alabama is I mean we really 615 00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:21,839 Speaker 1: never run out of anything to hunt. Um, you could 616 00:38:21,920 --> 00:38:26,200 Speaker 1: hunt your round if you wanted to. UM, you know, 617 00:38:26,280 --> 00:38:29,520 Speaker 1: Alabama is the most as far as animals are concerned, 618 00:38:29,600 --> 00:38:32,480 Speaker 1: we're the most bio diverse state. UM. I want to say, 619 00:38:32,480 --> 00:38:37,040 Speaker 1: if we're not, we're in the top few because UM, 620 00:38:37,080 --> 00:38:39,680 Speaker 1: our terrain is so we have a little bit of everything. 621 00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:43,360 Speaker 1: You know. We have the beaches, we have, the lowlands. 622 00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:45,560 Speaker 1: We've got we've got a lot of swamps and rivers 623 00:38:45,560 --> 00:38:49,400 Speaker 1: and wetlands. We've got, um, we've got some mountains I 624 00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:54,560 Speaker 1: would southern apple. Actually we've we've got some some high 625 00:38:54,640 --> 00:38:57,960 Speaker 1: country UM. And it just offers a lot of different 626 00:38:58,480 --> 00:39:04,680 Speaker 1: game UM. So I mean, obviously, probably the most hunted 627 00:39:04,719 --> 00:39:09,520 Speaker 1: thing in Alabama is going to be dear followed by um, 628 00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,719 Speaker 1: probably followed by turkeys. We have a lot of turkeys. 629 00:39:14,080 --> 00:39:17,080 Speaker 1: There's a lot of turkeys in Alabama, there's certain parts 630 00:39:17,120 --> 00:39:19,319 Speaker 1: whether it's not as much, but you know, just like 631 00:39:19,360 --> 00:39:23,240 Speaker 1: any other place. Um, there's higher densities in certain places. 632 00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: But um is there a five bird bag limit. And 633 00:39:26,880 --> 00:39:30,160 Speaker 1: that's another thing about Alabamas. We can kill five turkeys 634 00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,319 Speaker 1: whoa and a lot of people do it every year. 635 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,480 Speaker 1: It's a lot of turkeys. The population replenishes. Some of 636 00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:39,960 Speaker 1: the Western guys don't know how you know. I was 637 00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,960 Speaker 1: out in Montana hunting with some of those guys and 638 00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,160 Speaker 1: there's a essentially a five bird limit in Montana, but 639 00:39:47,200 --> 00:39:49,080 Speaker 1: you gotta kill them in different parts of the states. 640 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,000 Speaker 1: And uh, and turkey hunting is not that big a 641 00:39:53,080 --> 00:39:56,600 Speaker 1: deal out there, so like guys don't hunt. But for 642 00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,239 Speaker 1: the Southeast, a five bird limits, I mean three, that's 643 00:39:59,239 --> 00:40:01,439 Speaker 1: a ton of turkeys. We've never been able to high 644 00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:04,279 Speaker 1: bag limit that was ever in Arkansas was a three 645 00:40:04,280 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: bird bag limit in the nineteen eighties. There's people that 646 00:40:07,280 --> 00:40:10,200 Speaker 1: go back and forth, um with wanting to get it 647 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,520 Speaker 1: lowered back down to three. And I think it probably 648 00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:15,839 Speaker 1: would be wise after this past year because you had 649 00:40:15,880 --> 00:40:18,760 Speaker 1: so many hunters that were home that weren't at work. 650 00:40:19,120 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: The numbers I would not be shocked if we killed 651 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:24,960 Speaker 1: twice as many birds in Alabama this year as we 652 00:40:25,000 --> 00:40:28,480 Speaker 1: did the year before, UM statewide. I haven't, like I said, 653 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,600 Speaker 1: I haven't checked harvest. I think I heard that almost. 654 00:40:31,680 --> 00:40:34,359 Speaker 1: It is statistics so many And like I told you, 655 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:37,280 Speaker 1: like I mean, we had the My brother and I 656 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:39,080 Speaker 1: had the best season of our lives. And then we 657 00:40:39,160 --> 00:40:41,279 Speaker 1: have kind of a group of buddies. There's about seven 658 00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:45,160 Speaker 1: or eight of us that our hardcore dedicated turkey hunters, 659 00:40:45,200 --> 00:40:50,000 Speaker 1: and I mean maybe one or two of us didn't 660 00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,560 Speaker 1: limit Wow, you know, I mean we're responsible for twenty 661 00:40:53,680 --> 00:40:57,480 Speaker 1: or thirty dead turkeys, just five or six of us, UM, 662 00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: and we weren't alone. Like I said, was it was 663 00:41:00,200 --> 00:41:04,080 Speaker 1: a just a hell of a season down there this year, 664 00:41:04,120 --> 00:41:07,319 Speaker 1: and so I would not be surprised the early season two, 665 00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:13,000 Speaker 1: Yes we do. We do it starts on of March. Yeah, Man, 666 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:16,520 Speaker 1: if you hadn't listened to this guy, Mike Chamberlain, the 667 00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:20,279 Speaker 1: Wild Turkey Dock they call him on Instagram Wild Turkey Doc. 668 00:41:20,560 --> 00:41:24,840 Speaker 1: That's that's his name on Instagram. He's been on Landing 669 00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:29,359 Speaker 1: Legacy podcast with my Buddies up there Missouri. He's been 670 00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:35,879 Speaker 1: on Ronella's podcast podcast Steve and uh wild Turkey doc. 671 00:41:36,400 --> 00:41:39,960 Speaker 1: I think he's from Alabama or somewhere in Georgia, and 672 00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:46,240 Speaker 1: he uh, he is is the best that I've heard 673 00:41:46,280 --> 00:41:49,600 Speaker 1: at describing why, or maybe he's just the only guy 674 00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:52,239 Speaker 1: we've listened to long enough. But talking about how these 675 00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:56,080 Speaker 1: early seasons are super hard on turkeys, it may not 676 00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,520 Speaker 1: make sense. I mean, just rationally, you're just like, killing 677 00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,040 Speaker 1: goblin hurrikey on March fift is the same as killing 678 00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:06,640 Speaker 1: the goblin turkey on April twenty. But he describes the 679 00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:11,640 Speaker 1: the pecking order and the lack. He talks about a lack, 680 00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:13,839 Speaker 1: which is like a group of turkeys and how their 681 00:42:13,920 --> 00:42:18,440 Speaker 1: social hierarchy works. And basically by taking out this dominant bird, 682 00:42:19,080 --> 00:42:23,719 Speaker 1: it screws up a lot of their breeding. I would assume, yeah, uh, 683 00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:28,080 Speaker 1: taking one out early like that, obviously you know he's 684 00:42:28,120 --> 00:42:30,440 Speaker 1: not gonna be breeding any ends, you know, And he 685 00:42:30,520 --> 00:42:32,719 Speaker 1: was a dominant one. And if I'm not mistaken, the 686 00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,960 Speaker 1: hens can um you know, they can breed multiple turkeys, 687 00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:40,680 Speaker 1: and then their bodies actually can select the fertilized eggs 688 00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:42,520 Speaker 1: that are the eggs that they want to fertilize. Something 689 00:42:42,560 --> 00:42:46,560 Speaker 1: crazy like that. And so a lot of times. You know, 690 00:42:46,800 --> 00:42:49,120 Speaker 1: if you're killing all your mature birds early in the year, 691 00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:53,840 Speaker 1: it wouldn't be crazy to assume that you're gonna have 692 00:42:53,880 --> 00:42:58,239 Speaker 1: some hands that don't get up something. Yeah, I mean 693 00:42:59,280 --> 00:43:02,320 Speaker 1: I could see that. So so turk so deer huns 694 00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: big deer hunts, big turkey hunts big. Now there's no 695 00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:09,560 Speaker 1: bear season in Alabama though, No, there's no, not to 696 00:43:09,600 --> 00:43:11,919 Speaker 1: my knowledge, I don't think there there's not. There's about 697 00:43:13,160 --> 00:43:16,720 Speaker 1: there's not. But there are animals that I enjoy hunting 698 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:19,239 Speaker 1: that you can hunt year round. You know, you're going 699 00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:24,520 Speaker 1: on hogs year round? Um we um? Now are you? 700 00:43:24,600 --> 00:43:27,319 Speaker 1: How are you hunting hogs? You go out there in 701 00:43:27,320 --> 00:43:31,719 Speaker 1: the field and shoot them running dogs? You know, I 702 00:43:31,760 --> 00:43:33,280 Speaker 1: have a lot of friends that grew up in Florida 703 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,320 Speaker 1: that would run dogs, And I didn't grow up hog hunting. 704 00:43:37,640 --> 00:43:39,480 Speaker 1: And when I got to, you know, got to know 705 00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:41,759 Speaker 1: these guys pretty well in college just hearing them talk 706 00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:47,200 Speaker 1: about it down there, completely different art, you know. That is, um, 707 00:43:47,280 --> 00:43:50,440 Speaker 1: that is some intense stuff. You know, lost a lot 708 00:43:50,480 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: of dogs. Um, you know, not hard to do when 709 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:56,759 Speaker 1: you're doing that. But no, and I've not done a 710 00:43:56,760 --> 00:43:58,520 Speaker 1: ton of hog hunting, but you could do it if 711 00:43:58,520 --> 00:44:00,400 Speaker 1: you wanted to. And then you know, any kind of 712 00:44:01,160 --> 00:44:04,680 Speaker 1: nuisance animal that you can think of, there's always something 713 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: that you can go and hunt, always, always, always, but 714 00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:18,600 Speaker 1: big in Alabama. Um, what else? Dove hunting is big. 715 00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,399 Speaker 1: A lot of dove hunters in Alabama as well. I've 716 00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,000 Speaker 1: been to several shoots in Alabama, any and George as well. 717 00:44:24,480 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: There's parts of the South where little patches where there's 718 00:44:28,000 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: just an incredible dove hunting. And we do a shoot 719 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:35,640 Speaker 1: every year at at our farm. Um, but we just 720 00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,200 Speaker 1: we actually just acquired some new land, my dad did, 721 00:44:39,320 --> 00:44:42,000 Speaker 1: and he was texting me this week and he was like, 722 00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:45,600 Speaker 1: we're gonna have the dove shoot of all dove shoots 723 00:44:45,600 --> 00:44:48,960 Speaker 1: this year because there's he said, it's you know, we're 724 00:44:49,160 --> 00:44:50,920 Speaker 1: at the beginning of the summer and I'm looking at 725 00:44:51,040 --> 00:44:54,320 Speaker 1: hundreds and hundreds of doves already here and we haven't 726 00:44:54,320 --> 00:44:57,359 Speaker 1: even we haven't planted anything, we haven't thrown any seed, 727 00:44:57,480 --> 00:45:01,200 Speaker 1: we haven't done anything. They're just here. Yeah, and um, 728 00:45:01,239 --> 00:45:06,239 Speaker 1: so we're anticipating a big shoot. Um. Black River is 729 00:45:06,280 --> 00:45:08,480 Speaker 1: that in Alabama? Is that a well known black the 730 00:45:09,560 --> 00:45:12,600 Speaker 1: I think there's a Black Warrior River. Black Warrior River 731 00:45:12,760 --> 00:45:15,800 Speaker 1: or a section of the Warrior River, that's the Black Warrior. 732 00:45:15,840 --> 00:45:18,320 Speaker 1: I want to say, um, but no, I'm not familiar 733 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,239 Speaker 1: with the Black River Alabama. I'm I'm going deep into 734 00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:27,520 Speaker 1: the archives of my mind remembering the there used to 735 00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:32,120 Speaker 1: be in like Outdoor Life and some of these magazines 736 00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,880 Speaker 1: there was there would always be Alabama white tail hunting 737 00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:38,239 Speaker 1: like this little like black and White ad in the 738 00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:42,400 Speaker 1: national magazines. It would be like Southern Alabama white tail hunting. 739 00:45:42,880 --> 00:45:46,600 Speaker 1: And I want to say it was like black something 740 00:45:46,680 --> 00:45:48,640 Speaker 1: like black. I just I wondered if I threw that 741 00:45:48,680 --> 00:45:51,200 Speaker 1: out there, if you'd be like, oh, yeah, probably black belt, 742 00:45:51,680 --> 00:45:54,360 Speaker 1: black belt, black belt. Yes, So the black belt is 743 00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,200 Speaker 1: that's it. That's it. The black Belt is a strip 744 00:45:57,480 --> 00:46:02,359 Speaker 1: of extremely fertile agricult a trull land across it kind 745 00:46:02,360 --> 00:46:06,320 Speaker 1: of runs um if I'm not mistaken, it runs um, 746 00:46:06,400 --> 00:46:08,719 Speaker 1: kind of a little bit east to west, kind of 747 00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,359 Speaker 1: swooping north in South Alabama. And we I grew up 748 00:46:12,440 --> 00:46:17,759 Speaker 1: hunting the black Belt pretty much my entire life. That's 749 00:46:17,760 --> 00:46:20,760 Speaker 1: where you're gonna kill the biggest deer in Alabama without question, 750 00:46:21,120 --> 00:46:26,560 Speaker 1: on a consistent basis. Like I said, it's just extremely 751 00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:33,319 Speaker 1: extremely fertile ground. And anytime you're hunting your agg you know, 752 00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,759 Speaker 1: on a large scale, the deer naturally just gonna be 753 00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:39,800 Speaker 1: bigger because their diet is you know, that much better. Um. 754 00:46:39,800 --> 00:46:43,920 Speaker 1: So that's yeah. As far as white tail hunting in Alabama, UM, 755 00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:49,919 Speaker 1: getting that black belt, that's your best bet for sure. 756 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:53,080 Speaker 1: Is there a lot of public land in Alabama? There is? 757 00:46:53,280 --> 00:46:55,600 Speaker 1: Fortunately for me, I've never had to hunt a lot 758 00:46:55,640 --> 00:47:01,600 Speaker 1: of public land, UM, but I live near um several 759 00:47:01,600 --> 00:47:06,040 Speaker 1: different National forests and management areas, and it's it's popular. 760 00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:08,480 Speaker 1: There's a lot of hunters on it. They see a 761 00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,720 Speaker 1: lot of pressure. But every year, you know you can, 762 00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,680 Speaker 1: you can. You know, bet your last dollar there's gonna 763 00:47:14,719 --> 00:47:17,120 Speaker 1: be some stomp down good ones killed off of it. 764 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:20,520 Speaker 1: Because you know, when you've got a massive land that 765 00:47:20,600 --> 00:47:23,840 Speaker 1: big and that many people putting pressure on it, you know, 766 00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:26,719 Speaker 1: just statistics, you're bound to have a couple of really 767 00:47:26,719 --> 00:47:32,600 Speaker 1: really good ones killed. Yeah. But I don't know what 768 00:47:32,640 --> 00:47:35,600 Speaker 1: it is compared to other states, but I know, um 769 00:47:35,680 --> 00:47:38,640 Speaker 1: that there is. I would say there's a a fair amount, 770 00:47:38,800 --> 00:47:42,040 Speaker 1: if not an abundance of public land in Alabama. If 771 00:47:42,080 --> 00:47:44,760 Speaker 1: you want to hunt in Alabama, you can hunt in Alabama. 772 00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:48,560 Speaker 1: There's there's nobody saying I just have nowhere to go. 773 00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:50,839 Speaker 1: You know, if you want to do what you can 774 00:47:50,880 --> 00:47:53,719 Speaker 1: do it. What's your what's your favorite hunting in Alabama? 775 00:47:53,960 --> 00:47:58,000 Speaker 1: My favorite hunting definitely in Alabama. My favorite hunting is 776 00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,080 Speaker 1: definitely white tails. Um, just because I don't know, I 777 00:48:02,120 --> 00:48:06,000 Speaker 1: guess i've it's it was my first hunting. It was 778 00:48:06,000 --> 00:48:09,279 Speaker 1: the first hunting that I did. Like legit, you know, 779 00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: we've shot squirrels off the back porch when we were kids, 780 00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:15,120 Speaker 1: you know, but as far as uh like in any 781 00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:19,040 Speaker 1: kind of structure to it. UM, just grew up deer hunting. 782 00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:21,480 Speaker 1: And honestly, I didn't care for a turkey. I didn't 783 00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:23,359 Speaker 1: care for a duck. I didn't care for any of 784 00:48:23,400 --> 00:48:25,879 Speaker 1: it outside of white tails until I was much later 785 00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:28,799 Speaker 1: in life. Um, which I kind of kicked myself for 786 00:48:28,920 --> 00:48:31,760 Speaker 1: now because the stuff, the land that I had access 787 00:48:31,800 --> 00:48:34,680 Speaker 1: to back then, and all the turkeys I probably could 788 00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:36,880 Speaker 1: have killed. You know, I just what an idiot I was. 789 00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:47,560 Speaker 1: But um, but no, definitely definitely deer hunting. And then yes, yes, um, 790 00:48:47,760 --> 00:48:51,399 Speaker 1: I primarily bow hunt now the older I've gotten, UM, 791 00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:53,920 Speaker 1: I definitely still rifle hunt. Don't get me wrong, but 792 00:48:55,680 --> 00:49:00,160 Speaker 1: I've definitely leaned more over into archery the older I've ut. 793 00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,680 Speaker 1: And you see, because you know, I've just spent so 794 00:49:02,719 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: many years and had such so much success with a 795 00:49:05,360 --> 00:49:09,799 Speaker 1: rifle that you know, naturally you want something challenging. So um, 796 00:49:10,120 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: so yeah, I've I'm definitely more of a bow hunter now. 797 00:49:14,520 --> 00:49:16,080 Speaker 1: But if it gets later in the year, you know, 798 00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:18,759 Speaker 1: and a lot of our land is a lot of 799 00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:23,920 Speaker 1: land in Alabama is hard to bow hunt, um because yeah, 800 00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:30,000 Speaker 1: well there's well there's that, but then on top of that, UM, 801 00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:32,840 Speaker 1: I want to say, a little over seventy of the 802 00:49:32,920 --> 00:49:39,080 Speaker 1: state is is uh timber land. It's like like woods, 803 00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:42,440 Speaker 1: and a lot of that is thickets that you just 804 00:49:42,520 --> 00:49:47,040 Speaker 1: can't bow hunt, you know. Um. It's not like in 805 00:49:47,080 --> 00:49:50,480 Speaker 1: the Midwest, when you can pattern. You know, you can 806 00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:53,920 Speaker 1: literally physically put your eyes on that deer and nowhere 807 00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,839 Speaker 1: he's betting and nowhere he's feeding. You can't do that 808 00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,840 Speaker 1: hardly in Alabama. It's just it's too dense the terrain 809 00:50:00,080 --> 00:50:05,399 Speaker 1: two dents um, and so we rely a lot on 810 00:50:05,560 --> 00:50:08,640 Speaker 1: trail cameras as far as bow hunting is concerned, we 811 00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:14,320 Speaker 1: rely heavily on trail cameras um and uh, just creating 812 00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,319 Speaker 1: openings in thick areas like that to give ourselves a shot. Um. 813 00:50:18,400 --> 00:50:21,160 Speaker 1: And then on top of that a lot of the 814 00:50:21,200 --> 00:50:24,880 Speaker 1: land that I've been fortunate to hunt, there's the timber 815 00:50:24,920 --> 00:50:27,799 Speaker 1: industry is huge in Alabama. We were we rely on 816 00:50:27,880 --> 00:50:33,080 Speaker 1: pines a lot, and so I love hunting and clear cut. 817 00:50:33,239 --> 00:50:35,000 Speaker 1: They come in and cut all the timber, you know, 818 00:50:35,040 --> 00:50:38,920 Speaker 1: and you've got this this massive acreage um where a 819 00:50:39,040 --> 00:50:42,120 Speaker 1: deer feels really really comfortable, you know, a year or 820 00:50:42,120 --> 00:50:44,520 Speaker 1: two after that timber is cut, but you can still 821 00:50:44,520 --> 00:50:48,399 Speaker 1: see him. Um. So I mean, that's one of my 822 00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:54,400 Speaker 1: all time favorite things to hunt is a uh maybe 823 00:50:54,400 --> 00:50:57,360 Speaker 1: a two two year cutover because like I said, this 824 00:50:57,680 --> 00:51:00,600 Speaker 1: year they'll bed in it and they just I mean 825 00:51:00,640 --> 00:51:03,560 Speaker 1: they stand up and you can see them and they 826 00:51:03,640 --> 00:51:06,200 Speaker 1: feel completely hidden. They have no idea. That sounds like 827 00:51:06,239 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: an old Jackie Bushman trick. Yeah, oh man, Jackie Bushman's 828 00:51:10,120 --> 00:51:13,920 Speaker 1: from Alabama, from South Alabama, man, you describe, and hunting 829 00:51:13,960 --> 00:51:17,640 Speaker 1: clear cuts is a lot like southwest Arkansas, where I 830 00:51:17,680 --> 00:51:20,040 Speaker 1: grew up doing quite a bit of hunting wheat. So 831 00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:22,480 Speaker 1: I grew up in the mountains, but we would drive 832 00:51:23,080 --> 00:51:26,360 Speaker 1: to the good deer numbers a little bit further south 833 00:51:26,400 --> 00:51:28,239 Speaker 1: out of the mountains, and it was it was a 834 00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:31,799 Speaker 1: lot of timber country, a lot of pine plantations and absolutely, man, 835 00:51:31,840 --> 00:51:34,640 Speaker 1: you climb up a thirty you know, a pine tree 836 00:51:34,640 --> 00:51:38,800 Speaker 1: with no limbs for us, the climbing stands, tickty clock, 837 00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,040 Speaker 1: ticknty clock. Climb up there, sit there and watch a 838 00:51:41,040 --> 00:51:43,759 Speaker 1: big cut over. It's so much fun. It is so 839 00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:47,240 Speaker 1: much fun in the rud as well, like just watching 840 00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:51,640 Speaker 1: those racks bounce around out there. Those it's I love 841 00:51:51,680 --> 00:51:54,399 Speaker 1: it so much. But yeah, and we're in recent years 842 00:51:54,440 --> 00:52:00,239 Speaker 1: of of I've really taken a liking to duck unny 843 00:52:00,360 --> 00:52:03,640 Speaker 1: and even more recently than that, Turkey's I did not 844 00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,120 Speaker 1: become a hardcore what I would consider a hardcore turkey 845 00:52:07,160 --> 00:52:13,200 Speaker 1: hunter until maybe five years ago. Okay, yeah, well man, 846 00:52:13,239 --> 00:52:16,439 Speaker 1: if you're in a good turkey population, you can learn 847 00:52:16,480 --> 00:52:18,879 Speaker 1: a lot about turkey hunting. Yeah, because you can work 848 00:52:18,920 --> 00:52:21,520 Speaker 1: a lot of birds, mess up a lot, and it 849 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,120 Speaker 1: not affect you around here. You mess one up, you 850 00:52:25,160 --> 00:52:28,359 Speaker 1: mess one up, you maybe your season is over for real. 851 00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:33,160 Speaker 1: But so you're started in a good a good place. Yeah, 852 00:52:33,360 --> 00:52:36,960 Speaker 1: very uh, very friendly to a turkey hunter down there. 853 00:52:37,040 --> 00:52:39,839 Speaker 1: We had a friend, one of my best friends. His 854 00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:43,120 Speaker 1: family has a big farm in south south of Montgomery, 855 00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:47,879 Speaker 1: um um, towards like Auburn. Not far from Auburn, maybe 856 00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:51,839 Speaker 1: thirty forty minutes outside there, but um big family farm. Beautiful, 857 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,080 Speaker 1: absolutely one of the prettiest places and wildlife rich places 858 00:52:56,120 --> 00:53:01,120 Speaker 1: I've ever seen. Um and free. Years and years we 859 00:53:01,200 --> 00:53:04,280 Speaker 1: hunted that place and we did not turkey on um. 860 00:53:04,320 --> 00:53:06,839 Speaker 1: And we would go deer hunting all throughout the whole 861 00:53:06,840 --> 00:53:10,640 Speaker 1: season and we would see just I mean fifties sixty 862 00:53:10,719 --> 00:53:13,840 Speaker 1: seventy at a time, you know, just these massive wads 863 00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:17,080 Speaker 1: of turkeys. And so one year we were like, we're 864 00:53:17,120 --> 00:53:18,799 Speaker 1: gonna turkey hunt this year. You know, We're just gonna 865 00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:24,240 Speaker 1: try it out. And so, I mean, I think maybe 866 00:53:24,239 --> 00:53:28,360 Speaker 1: a dozen of us went down there and over three days, 867 00:53:28,680 --> 00:53:31,840 Speaker 1: I don't know how many turkeys we kill. It was incredible. 868 00:53:32,320 --> 00:53:34,239 Speaker 1: I mean we would have you know, groups of six 869 00:53:34,280 --> 00:53:38,080 Speaker 1: and seven long beers coming in attacking the I mean 870 00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,239 Speaker 1: just the kind of turkey don't you dream of, you know, 871 00:53:40,280 --> 00:53:43,319 Speaker 1: attacking the decoys, fighting each other. I mean, it was 872 00:53:44,360 --> 00:53:48,440 Speaker 1: incredible turkey hunting. And Um. After that, I was hooked. 873 00:53:49,640 --> 00:53:53,000 Speaker 1: I was absolutely hooked after that, you just said something 874 00:53:53,040 --> 00:53:56,000 Speaker 1: that is totally off topic. But this is kind of 875 00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:59,919 Speaker 1: the way we roll. I guess, um, I've never it's 876 00:54:00,000 --> 00:54:02,360 Speaker 1: and along. I don't know that I've talked to somebody 877 00:54:02,360 --> 00:54:05,839 Speaker 1: in Alabama in a format like this. Auburn and Alabama, 878 00:54:07,200 --> 00:54:11,279 Speaker 1: how does this work? Well, first, I'll say, Um, I'm 879 00:54:11,320 --> 00:54:15,800 Speaker 1: a I'm a die hard to my core Alabama Crimson 880 00:54:15,840 --> 00:54:20,880 Speaker 1: Tide Fanum, honestly, is it is? It is? It is? 881 00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:25,120 Speaker 1: Where where are the colleges? So in relationship to say 882 00:54:25,200 --> 00:54:28,680 Speaker 1: and let me let me yeah, my so my history 883 00:54:28,760 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: is there's one Division one school and the whole state 884 00:54:31,280 --> 00:54:35,000 Speaker 1: of Arkansas, University of Arkansas. So everybody's a University of 885 00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:38,600 Speaker 1: Arkansas fans really easy and there's no yeah, no kid, 886 00:54:38,800 --> 00:54:43,800 Speaker 1: no kids. Our football teams, yeah, exactly, We're good at that, buddy, 887 00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:46,719 Speaker 1: We'll run from absolutely. Yeah, we're we got a football team, 888 00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:50,120 Speaker 1: but as good as our turkey hunting. Uh So, No, 889 00:54:50,520 --> 00:54:54,280 Speaker 1: we have no professional teams and we have one Division 890 00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:57,960 Speaker 1: one university. So it's like everybody's a razorback friend. So Alabama, 891 00:54:58,200 --> 00:55:03,800 Speaker 1: we've got several Yeah, the two big ones, Abama and Auburn. Um. 892 00:55:03,840 --> 00:55:08,000 Speaker 1: So Alabama is just west of Birmingham, a little bit 893 00:55:08,040 --> 00:55:11,640 Speaker 1: south but a little mostly west, so it's college college itself. 894 00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:16,640 Speaker 1: And then Auburn is kind of southeast towards Georgia, not 895 00:55:16,760 --> 00:55:19,319 Speaker 1: far from the Georgia line. Really a lot of big 896 00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:25,400 Speaker 1: Alburn fans in Georgia lots UM and then uh so, 897 00:55:25,440 --> 00:55:29,279 Speaker 1: I mean they're they're not too far from each other. Um, 898 00:55:29,360 --> 00:55:33,240 Speaker 1: the colleges aren't that colleges. I mean they're probably support 899 00:55:33,320 --> 00:55:36,640 Speaker 1: the population base. I mean, there can't be that many 900 00:55:36,640 --> 00:55:42,040 Speaker 1: people in Alabama. Um, there's not. But the thing is, 901 00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,040 Speaker 1: if you are in Alabama, you gotta pick one of them. 902 00:55:46,440 --> 00:55:49,960 Speaker 1: And so you got half the state that's Alburn fans, 903 00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:52,880 Speaker 1: the other half is tid fans. And then you have 904 00:55:52,920 --> 00:55:55,560 Speaker 1: all these outliers that might be like a U A 905 00:55:55,640 --> 00:56:00,200 Speaker 1: B fan, like university I went Birmingham, or university that's 906 00:56:00,200 --> 00:56:03,840 Speaker 1: not a division. Yeah, maybe he's like Division one double A. 907 00:56:03,880 --> 00:56:07,319 Speaker 1: I want to they're like a step below, Like they're 908 00:56:07,360 --> 00:56:09,960 Speaker 1: not like that, Like they're not in UM, they're not 909 00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:13,000 Speaker 1: in like what is it? What is what am I 910 00:56:13,040 --> 00:56:15,360 Speaker 1: looking for? Well? SEC the southeast, so they're not in 911 00:56:15,360 --> 00:56:19,680 Speaker 1: the SEC. They're in lesser conferences, but they do play okay, 912 00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:27,600 Speaker 1: Division one, Okay, every year. Um, but yeah, I mean, 913 00:56:28,400 --> 00:56:30,799 Speaker 1: I mean it's a little bit geographic, but then again 914 00:56:30,840 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: it's not so. I mean you you can have you know, 915 00:56:35,360 --> 00:56:38,479 Speaker 1: Auburn fans that lived just outside Tuscaloosa and Bama fans 916 00:56:38,480 --> 00:56:40,680 Speaker 1: that lived just outside All. Okay, what are the I'm 917 00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:43,319 Speaker 1: breaking this down because I know it's this is so 918 00:56:43,400 --> 00:56:47,000 Speaker 1: complex that you, being so deep inside of it, gonna 919 00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:50,960 Speaker 1: have a hard time explaining it. Okay, Um, so I 920 00:56:50,960 --> 00:56:54,280 Speaker 1: mean is it uh it does one school represent something 921 00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:57,600 Speaker 1: the other school doesn't represent? Uh? Yeah, you can say 922 00:56:57,600 --> 00:57:02,160 Speaker 1: that Alabama represents winning and all. I knew this was 923 00:57:02,880 --> 00:57:08,279 Speaker 1: too complicated for him. No, no, no, it's uh I'll 924 00:57:08,280 --> 00:57:12,640 Speaker 1: tell you, Uh the stereotypes, Uh that might put it 925 00:57:12,680 --> 00:57:14,920 Speaker 1: in a little more perspective and things that I can 926 00:57:14,920 --> 00:57:18,840 Speaker 1: actually agree with on a certain level. Um, Tuscaloose is 927 00:57:18,880 --> 00:57:22,920 Speaker 1: a bit of a trashier town than Auburn. Just I'm 928 00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,920 Speaker 1: just gonna lay that out there. I'll admit it. Auburn 929 00:57:26,000 --> 00:57:29,640 Speaker 1: is a much nicer Alburn is a nicer area, There 930 00:57:29,720 --> 00:57:31,920 Speaker 1: is no question, and it is. If I had to 931 00:57:32,000 --> 00:57:34,080 Speaker 1: choose one of those schools to go to, I would 932 00:57:34,080 --> 00:57:38,720 Speaker 1: go to Auburn um based on several different things. Um. 933 00:57:38,760 --> 00:57:42,160 Speaker 1: But um, so Auburn fans have it in their heads 934 00:57:42,240 --> 00:57:47,400 Speaker 1: that they're the more classy. I mean, from my perspective, 935 00:57:47,480 --> 00:57:49,520 Speaker 1: they I think they think that they're kind of up 936 00:57:49,600 --> 00:57:54,200 Speaker 1: at a little bit. Um. And then Bama fans are like, Okay, 937 00:57:54,240 --> 00:57:56,720 Speaker 1: we know we're kind of rugged, but who cares? You know. 938 00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:02,400 Speaker 1: And Auburn there season and is a success if they 939 00:58:02,440 --> 00:58:06,360 Speaker 1: beat Alabama. Alabamas season is not a success unless they 940 00:58:06,360 --> 00:58:11,720 Speaker 1: win the national championships. So their goals are different. Um. 941 00:58:11,760 --> 00:58:14,280 Speaker 1: And I'll just to lay the statistics out there. There's 942 00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:21,040 Speaker 1: no category in football, Um, no significant category where Alabama 943 00:58:21,280 --> 00:58:24,960 Speaker 1: has not been more successful than Albert. You've got more 944 00:58:25,080 --> 00:58:30,200 Speaker 1: national championships, we've got more SEC championships. Um. You know, 945 00:58:30,560 --> 00:58:34,640 Speaker 1: is Alabama like the best bowl? More Bowl appearances, more 946 00:58:34,680 --> 00:58:38,280 Speaker 1: Bowl victories? Were But from what you're saying, that's not 947 00:58:38,360 --> 00:58:42,080 Speaker 1: even a question. Is that? I mean, is there which 948 00:58:42,320 --> 00:58:47,960 Speaker 1: is better? You can't question numbers, facts or facts Alleign 949 00:58:48,080 --> 00:58:53,480 Speaker 1: fans have if it needs to be defended, it doesn't 950 00:58:53,560 --> 00:58:56,280 Speaker 1: legitimately need to be defended. It only needs to be 951 00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:01,960 Speaker 1: you know, defended. When you're talking to an Auburn fan 952 00:59:02,040 --> 00:59:04,080 Speaker 1: who just I mean, I can't look at numbers and 953 00:59:04,520 --> 00:59:07,600 Speaker 1: deduced that one school is better than the other at football. 954 00:59:07,640 --> 00:59:10,240 Speaker 1: I feel I just feel like this is bad for 955 00:59:10,280 --> 00:59:15,000 Speaker 1: the state, such a division. It's it's good and it's bad. Um. 956 00:59:15,040 --> 00:59:21,520 Speaker 1: You know it's bad because, I mean, it's bad for 957 00:59:21,560 --> 00:59:25,560 Speaker 1: a number of reasons. One it criminal acts have been 958 00:59:25,560 --> 00:59:29,800 Speaker 1: committed as a result of this rivalry, uh, and continue 959 00:59:29,840 --> 00:59:33,520 Speaker 1: to be committed, I'm sure. Um. But then it's also 960 00:59:33,640 --> 00:59:38,640 Speaker 1: good because a little banter, a little struggle, a little 961 00:59:38,640 --> 00:59:42,000 Speaker 1: bit of tension is is healthy. I think a rivalry 962 00:59:43,640 --> 00:59:50,840 Speaker 1: makes it so much more fun. Yeah, especially rivalry is Alabama. 963 00:59:50,920 --> 00:59:53,000 Speaker 1: So if it's that close and in the same state, 964 00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:56,040 Speaker 1: which I just can't relate to, I mean deep down 965 00:59:56,080 --> 00:59:59,160 Speaker 1: to Auburn fans, are they rooting for Alabama if they're out? 966 00:59:59,600 --> 01:00:02,960 Speaker 1: Because that now I know. I don't like college football. 967 01:00:03,320 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 1: I don't watch it. I don't pay attention to it. 968 01:00:05,480 --> 01:00:07,360 Speaker 1: But I said at the beginning of this and admitted 969 01:00:07,440 --> 01:00:10,680 Speaker 1: all everybody that I keep my finger on, I keep 970 01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:13,880 Speaker 1: my pulse on pop culture. Okay, Now, my dad loves 971 01:00:13,920 --> 01:00:16,480 Speaker 1: college football, and so as soon as the Razorbacks are out, 972 01:00:16,520 --> 01:00:20,560 Speaker 1: which is always very early, he is just going for 973 01:00:20,680 --> 01:00:23,400 Speaker 1: SEC guys and so and I'm just like, you know, 974 01:00:23,560 --> 01:00:26,840 Speaker 1: I'm like whatever. So he you know, he wants Alabama 975 01:00:26,920 --> 01:00:29,560 Speaker 1: to win. He if Auburn was in the National Champion, 976 01:00:29,600 --> 01:00:33,360 Speaker 1: he wants Auburn to win. So so if if if 977 01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:37,720 Speaker 1: Auburn's out, are the Auburn guy's rooting for Alabama? Um, 978 01:00:37,760 --> 01:00:42,080 Speaker 1: I feel like there's probably a higher there's probably a 979 01:00:42,120 --> 01:00:44,920 Speaker 1: majority of them that are not really so they're just 980 01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:49,120 Speaker 1: like they're like a lot of them have the same 981 01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,360 Speaker 1: mentality towards us that we have towards them. I hope 982 01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:54,760 Speaker 1: that Auburn never wins a football game. That you're one 983 01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,120 Speaker 1: of those guys, absolutely all right, they never I hope 984 01:00:59,160 --> 01:01:02,360 Speaker 1: they never win a game ever. But I hope we 985 01:01:02,440 --> 01:01:03,920 Speaker 1: get to play them or I don't. I don't. I 986 01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,760 Speaker 1: don't wish any ill will towards the actual players or 987 01:01:07,920 --> 01:01:12,800 Speaker 1: the school itself. But if they never want another game ever, 988 01:01:13,200 --> 01:01:16,520 Speaker 1: it would throw me to death. Man see from Alabama 989 01:01:16,560 --> 01:01:21,240 Speaker 1: and he's rooting against his his his Alabama teams. Okay, good, 990 01:01:21,240 --> 01:01:24,600 Speaker 1: well you've explained it to me. I'll put it to 991 01:01:24,640 --> 01:01:27,720 Speaker 1: you this way, just to put the rivalry in perspective 992 01:01:27,760 --> 01:01:31,360 Speaker 1: for me, personally. Um, I dated a girl that family 993 01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:34,840 Speaker 1: had auburn fence in it and it was a point 994 01:01:34,840 --> 01:01:38,480 Speaker 1: of debate. It was a discussion, yes with my family. 995 01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:47,880 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh yeah, it's I mean, I've been wanting 996 01:01:47,880 --> 01:01:50,080 Speaker 1: to get some clarity on this for a while. So 997 01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:56,320 Speaker 1: now understand, Well, just you know, to sum it up, Bama, 998 01:01:56,400 --> 01:02:02,959 Speaker 1: good bad, it's that. It's that, got it, got it? Well, 999 01:02:03,400 --> 01:02:05,600 Speaker 1: what are your plans for this fall? What are you 1000 01:02:05,600 --> 01:02:10,000 Speaker 1: gonna do. I've got a couple of duck hunts planned. 1001 01:02:10,040 --> 01:02:12,240 Speaker 1: I got one I'm going I'm going duck hunting in 1002 01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:14,480 Speaker 1: Kansas for the first time. I'm really excited about that. 1003 01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:17,000 Speaker 1: I've never hunted dry fields and so we're doing that 1004 01:02:17,040 --> 01:02:22,960 Speaker 1: for the first time this year. Um, really excited about that. Um. 1005 01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:27,680 Speaker 1: I've got another one planned for South Louisiana duck hunt yep. 1006 01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:29,840 Speaker 1: And what we're gonna do some red fishing two while 1007 01:02:29,840 --> 01:02:33,160 Speaker 1: we down there, a little cast and blast, you know. Um. 1008 01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:38,640 Speaker 1: And then I'm probably I'm in the process of trying 1009 01:02:38,680 --> 01:02:43,600 Speaker 1: to lock down some kind of private land here in 1010 01:02:43,640 --> 01:02:47,520 Speaker 1: northwest Arkansas, just so that I'm not bored out of 1011 01:02:47,560 --> 01:02:50,640 Speaker 1: my mind when football doesn't happen, because I don't think 1012 01:02:50,640 --> 01:02:54,080 Speaker 1: it's gonna happen, you know, and not that I would. 1013 01:02:54,600 --> 01:02:58,080 Speaker 1: So back home, I could just go hunt and then 1014 01:02:58,080 --> 01:02:59,840 Speaker 1: come back home and watch the you know, it was easy. 1015 01:02:59,880 --> 01:03:02,560 Speaker 1: I could do it all. But here, I don't have 1016 01:03:02,600 --> 01:03:07,760 Speaker 1: anywhere local or anything close outside of public land um 1017 01:03:07,800 --> 01:03:09,800 Speaker 1: to hunt. And so I'm trying to find something because 1018 01:03:11,160 --> 01:03:16,200 Speaker 1: I mean I even hunt midweek hunt, you know, to 1019 01:03:16,240 --> 01:03:19,200 Speaker 1: hunt the lease. There's not many. There's not a lot 1020 01:03:19,240 --> 01:03:23,160 Speaker 1: of leases in this I've discovered. I've discovered and that's 1021 01:03:23,160 --> 01:03:26,720 Speaker 1: another big difference between here and in Alabama. There is 1022 01:03:27,680 --> 01:03:32,280 Speaker 1: there is a plethora of land that is leased every year. Yeah, 1023 01:03:32,720 --> 01:03:34,640 Speaker 1: I don't know, I don't know why. I mean, and 1024 01:03:34,680 --> 01:03:39,280 Speaker 1: it's probably, I mean, I'm probably it's just I don't 1025 01:03:39,320 --> 01:03:41,480 Speaker 1: it's just not prevalent. I mean, people just don't think 1026 01:03:41,520 --> 01:03:47,200 Speaker 1: about I've actually we're gonna think I'm crazy. But I 1027 01:03:47,200 --> 01:03:49,960 Speaker 1: I have the on X app on my phone and 1028 01:03:50,000 --> 01:03:52,160 Speaker 1: so I can look up, you know, property owners and 1029 01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:54,560 Speaker 1: things like that. So I'll just be pruising through the map, 1030 01:03:55,000 --> 01:04:00,240 Speaker 1: find the property owner, find there you know, Facebook or 1031 01:04:00,320 --> 01:04:03,000 Speaker 1: you know, anything I can find. And I've reached out 1032 01:04:03,040 --> 01:04:07,920 Speaker 1: to several people about you know, potentially leasing their land 1033 01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:10,840 Speaker 1: to hunt, and it's it's like they've never heard of it, 1034 01:04:10,960 --> 01:04:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, up here it's incredible, Like just you want 1035 01:04:14,520 --> 01:04:17,000 Speaker 1: to do what you know. I was like, no, I 1036 01:04:17,040 --> 01:04:19,680 Speaker 1: want to give you money so I can hunt your 1037 01:04:19,680 --> 01:04:22,800 Speaker 1: properties to come on and hunt to give me money. Yeah, 1038 01:04:22,800 --> 01:04:24,960 Speaker 1: there's been a little bit of that, you know. I've 1039 01:04:25,520 --> 01:04:28,440 Speaker 1: just some just some some people that at least verbally, 1040 01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:30,880 Speaker 1: they're like, oh yeah, man, I mean, we'll see how 1041 01:04:30,880 --> 01:04:34,360 Speaker 1: that goes when they realize how crazy I am. And 1042 01:04:34,400 --> 01:04:36,280 Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, we need to put a greenfield there, 1043 01:04:36,360 --> 01:04:38,680 Speaker 1: and uh, what do you think about putting some summer 1044 01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:40,600 Speaker 1: crops over here? You know, like and they're like, what 1045 01:04:40,680 --> 01:04:43,160 Speaker 1: are you talking about? Man, I don't even have a tractor. 1046 01:04:44,760 --> 01:04:48,400 Speaker 1: But it's that's That's one thing that's been a little 1047 01:04:48,400 --> 01:04:54,560 Speaker 1: eye opening too, is um acquiring uh private land up 1048 01:04:54,560 --> 01:04:58,840 Speaker 1: here to hunt is is a challenge, Yeah, but still 1049 01:04:58,920 --> 01:05:02,360 Speaker 1: chomping away yet. I'm fair something if you speak the 1050 01:05:02,480 --> 01:05:05,240 Speaker 1: ground enough, you'll you'll come up with something. You'll come 1051 01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,959 Speaker 1: with So you're so, I've got those duck hunts lined 1052 01:05:08,040 --> 01:05:11,960 Speaker 1: up um late summer. I got several dove shoots that 1053 01:05:12,040 --> 01:05:15,760 Speaker 1: I plan on going to UM and then obviously I can. 1054 01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,440 Speaker 1: I'm gonna take I usually, um, around Christmas and New 1055 01:05:20,480 --> 01:05:22,800 Speaker 1: Year's I take a big block of time right there, 1056 01:05:23,480 --> 01:05:27,640 Speaker 1: um and do a lot of hunting. Whether that's you know, 1057 01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:31,680 Speaker 1: ducks deer um in Alabama, that's we I mean, it's 1058 01:05:32,120 --> 01:05:35,439 Speaker 1: where you go back. Yeah, I'll I have plans. I'll 1059 01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:40,040 Speaker 1: probably so the way of the year will go more 1060 01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:44,080 Speaker 1: than likely is I'll be in Kentucky beginning of September. 1061 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:49,000 Speaker 1: Then it's then it's oh, yeah, my brother killed a 1062 01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,960 Speaker 1: pretty nice one up there last year with his first 1063 01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:57,480 Speaker 1: velvet deer, beautiful probably eight point really pretty. Um, So 1064 01:05:57,640 --> 01:05:59,560 Speaker 1: we do a lot of uh we both hunt there 1065 01:05:59,600 --> 01:06:02,960 Speaker 1: every year the beginning of season. Uh. Then we'll shoot 1066 01:06:03,000 --> 01:06:06,920 Speaker 1: doves mid September, late September on in October. Well, then 1067 01:06:07,440 --> 01:06:13,400 Speaker 1: season opens here October one correct, well fourth fourth Saturday 1068 01:06:13,400 --> 01:06:18,360 Speaker 1: in September. So it'll be like so somewhere and there, 1069 01:06:18,520 --> 01:06:20,880 Speaker 1: I could you know, by then hopefully I'll have something 1070 01:06:21,040 --> 01:06:24,200 Speaker 1: or a good friend of mine has a family farm 1071 01:06:24,200 --> 01:06:28,440 Speaker 1: in Mississippi that also opens the beginning of October archery season. 1072 01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:30,840 Speaker 1: So I'll either you know, be hunting here or there 1073 01:06:31,280 --> 01:06:33,000 Speaker 1: one of the two, and then season comes in in 1074 01:06:33,080 --> 01:06:38,479 Speaker 1: Alabama October archery season. Um, and from then on out 1075 01:06:38,560 --> 01:06:40,560 Speaker 1: I'll be there'll be a lot of traveling back and forth. 1076 01:06:40,680 --> 01:06:45,880 Speaker 1: That's what it's looking like because, um, you know, even 1077 01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:49,000 Speaker 1: if I did have some land here to hunt, I mean, 1078 01:06:49,000 --> 01:06:51,480 Speaker 1: I would still be going back and forth Alabama just 1079 01:06:51,480 --> 01:06:54,280 Speaker 1: because it's such a I've got a great resource at 1080 01:06:54,280 --> 01:06:57,360 Speaker 1: my disposal down there and plenty of land hunt and 1081 01:06:57,440 --> 01:06:59,560 Speaker 1: so have you ever had it out west? Any any 1082 01:06:59,560 --> 01:07:02,720 Speaker 1: of the big game out with I wish. I've been 1083 01:07:02,760 --> 01:07:05,600 Speaker 1: talking to um, one of my good hunting buddies about 1084 01:07:06,520 --> 01:07:08,440 Speaker 1: I mean, this is forever. We talked about it every 1085 01:07:08,520 --> 01:07:09,840 Speaker 1: year and we never do it. Was like, Man, we're 1086 01:07:09,840 --> 01:07:14,360 Speaker 1: gonna go out west, Um, like Colorado or Montana or something. 1087 01:07:14,360 --> 01:07:17,800 Speaker 1: We're gonna public land hunt for elk. Like that's what 1088 01:07:17,880 --> 01:07:22,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna do, and we've just never done it. It's hard. Um. 1089 01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:30,120 Speaker 1: The hardest thing for us is always scheduling timing, you know, um, 1090 01:07:30,400 --> 01:07:31,560 Speaker 1: because you don't want to go and do it by 1091 01:07:31,560 --> 01:07:38,080 Speaker 1: yourself at least I don't. Uh. But um no, just 1092 01:07:38,160 --> 01:07:41,280 Speaker 1: for one for whatever reason, Man never made it happen. Um. 1093 01:07:41,320 --> 01:07:44,120 Speaker 1: I got a real good friend that lives in Alaska 1094 01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:48,880 Speaker 1: and hunts like crazy actually killed a giant and I 1095 01:07:48,920 --> 01:07:51,200 Speaker 1: mean a giant brown bear a couple of weeks, like 1096 01:07:51,240 --> 01:07:54,960 Speaker 1: two weeks ago. Oh my god, you're sending me pictures. 1097 01:07:55,000 --> 01:07:58,520 Speaker 1: But anyways, Um, he's been trying to get me to 1098 01:07:58,520 --> 01:08:00,320 Speaker 1: come up there and hunt with him, and is just 1099 01:08:00,360 --> 01:08:02,040 Speaker 1: another thing I haven't been able to make it happen. 1100 01:08:03,120 --> 01:08:09,280 Speaker 1: But yeah, that's always been the all these like destination 1101 01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:13,200 Speaker 1: type hunts stuff like that. Um, that's always been the 1102 01:08:13,520 --> 01:08:15,240 Speaker 1: When I've got the money and I've got the time, 1103 01:08:15,320 --> 01:08:17,599 Speaker 1: that's the first thing on the on the docket. That's 1104 01:08:17,600 --> 01:08:19,760 Speaker 1: what we're gonna do, you know. You know, I think 1105 01:08:19,800 --> 01:08:24,280 Speaker 1: that there's a lot of guys in the Southeast that that, 1106 01:08:26,360 --> 01:08:28,519 Speaker 1: you know, like growing up in the town I was 1107 01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:31,320 Speaker 1: in from in Arkansas, there was a group of guys 1108 01:08:31,320 --> 01:08:34,080 Speaker 1: that always went to Colorado. But it's a pretty small group. 1109 01:08:34,479 --> 01:08:39,040 Speaker 1: I would say now that number of people, it's like 1110 01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:42,800 Speaker 1: I feel like it's way more like I feel like 1111 01:08:42,840 --> 01:08:45,759 Speaker 1: it's much more common. I guess just in the age 1112 01:08:45,800 --> 01:08:51,720 Speaker 1: of information being spread so much and on AX podcasts 1113 01:08:51,720 --> 01:08:55,360 Speaker 1: and you know, information just going, people are kind of 1114 01:08:55,400 --> 01:08:57,840 Speaker 1: emboldened to be able to jump in their trucks and 1115 01:08:57,920 --> 01:09:00,920 Speaker 1: drive out west. But anyway, I don't feel bad. I 1116 01:09:00,920 --> 01:09:06,280 Speaker 1: didn't start hunting out west probably five years ago. I mean, 1117 01:09:06,320 --> 01:09:09,559 Speaker 1: I just stayed. I prided myself and never have been 1118 01:09:09,680 --> 01:09:12,719 Speaker 1: killed a deer outside of the state of Arkansas. And 1119 01:09:12,720 --> 01:09:15,280 Speaker 1: and that actually is true except for Manitoba. I don't 1120 01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:19,920 Speaker 1: think I've killed a deer outside of Arkansas except for Manitoba, Canada. Um. 1121 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,240 Speaker 1: But anyway, so it's cool, you know, I if you 1122 01:09:24,280 --> 01:09:26,519 Speaker 1: don't know, you would you don't know me very well, cam. 1123 01:09:26,600 --> 01:09:31,120 Speaker 1: But I love local hunting, like because it's really easy 1124 01:09:31,200 --> 01:09:36,240 Speaker 1: to look at television and all this stuff that's like 1125 01:09:36,400 --> 01:09:40,160 Speaker 1: far off hunting and and you know, adventure based all 1126 01:09:40,200 --> 01:09:42,720 Speaker 1: this backpack hunting and be like, oh man, I wish 1127 01:09:42,760 --> 01:09:45,599 Speaker 1: I could do that. But we got this incredible hunting 1128 01:09:45,840 --> 01:09:48,800 Speaker 1: right here close to our house, and that can be 1129 01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:52,400 Speaker 1: just as epic, just as fun. Never just stated it, 1130 01:09:52,439 --> 01:09:54,519 Speaker 1: but I guess we kind of have a similar mentality 1131 01:09:54,520 --> 01:09:57,519 Speaker 1: in that regard, because I mean, I've killed very few 1132 01:09:57,560 --> 01:10:01,479 Speaker 1: deer outside of Alabama, but the ones I have killed, 1133 01:10:02,240 --> 01:10:05,600 Speaker 1: especially in the last maybe seven or eight years, have 1134 01:10:05,720 --> 01:10:09,200 Speaker 1: been within minutes of my house, and so there's a 1135 01:10:09,200 --> 01:10:11,479 Speaker 1: lot I loved it. There's a ton of value in that. 1136 01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:14,559 Speaker 1: There really is. And and don't get me wrong, I 1137 01:10:14,760 --> 01:10:18,360 Speaker 1: love traveling and hunting and and we've done that extensively 1138 01:10:18,400 --> 01:10:23,720 Speaker 1: the last seven years. But my best hunting is like 1139 01:10:23,880 --> 01:10:26,840 Speaker 1: within a mile or right, you know, right here at home. 1140 01:10:27,040 --> 01:10:29,320 Speaker 1: I don't doubt it. And uh and and it's not 1141 01:10:29,439 --> 01:10:33,200 Speaker 1: best because I killed the biggest animals. It's best because 1142 01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:37,160 Speaker 1: I got to eat dinner with my family and jump 1143 01:10:37,160 --> 01:10:39,639 Speaker 1: in the truck and drive down the road and hunt 1144 01:10:39,680 --> 01:10:42,720 Speaker 1: for two hours or or or you know, whatever the 1145 01:10:42,760 --> 01:10:46,360 Speaker 1: situation would be. But but uh no, that's cool, man. 1146 01:10:46,600 --> 01:10:50,200 Speaker 1: I just wondered if you've been out west any Yeah, sure, wish, 1147 01:10:50,280 --> 01:10:54,160 Speaker 1: but but no, I, like you, I find immense value 1148 01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:59,519 Speaker 1: in and I guess what you call local gum. And 1149 01:10:59,560 --> 01:11:01,679 Speaker 1: that's what most people do. I mean, most people don't 1150 01:11:02,479 --> 01:11:06,760 Speaker 1: don't have the liberty to travel that much, but just 1151 01:11:06,800 --> 01:11:09,960 Speaker 1: most people don't. But but it is more common than 1152 01:11:09,960 --> 01:11:12,240 Speaker 1: it's ever been. And it's because I feel like it's 1153 01:11:12,280 --> 01:11:15,640 Speaker 1: just because I've just spread of information, and you know, 1154 01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:19,719 Speaker 1: it just like kind of intel, you know that maybe 1155 01:11:19,720 --> 01:11:25,440 Speaker 1: you didn't have the twenty five years ago. It's interesting, um, 1156 01:11:25,560 --> 01:11:34,080 Speaker 1: how certain components like that technologically have maybe increased the 1157 01:11:34,160 --> 01:11:39,640 Speaker 1: number of hunters. But um, if I'm not mistaken, the 1158 01:11:39,640 --> 01:11:42,120 Speaker 1: state of Alabama has seen a pretty consistent decline in 1159 01:11:42,160 --> 01:11:46,000 Speaker 1: the number of hunting licenses. And I imagine that's probably 1160 01:11:46,000 --> 01:11:51,160 Speaker 1: not just you know in Alabama, UM, just the technology age. 1161 01:11:52,680 --> 01:11:55,280 Speaker 1: Kids don't grow up doing it like they used to. Um, 1162 01:11:55,320 --> 01:11:58,240 Speaker 1: there's just been a pretty significant decline. Um and I 1163 01:11:58,320 --> 01:12:01,360 Speaker 1: know that, um it East in Alabama, they've there's a 1164 01:12:01,360 --> 01:12:05,040 Speaker 1: few things they've done to kind of incentivize things like that, 1165 01:12:05,120 --> 01:12:08,800 Speaker 1: but um, it's still it's it's you hate to see it, 1166 01:12:08,840 --> 01:12:10,439 Speaker 1: but you kind of love to see it. It's it's 1167 01:12:10,479 --> 01:12:14,439 Speaker 1: kind of a catch twenty two. But um, well, you know, 1168 01:12:14,680 --> 01:12:16,960 Speaker 1: it's just cure. It's interesting to me how some things, 1169 01:12:18,240 --> 01:12:20,679 Speaker 1: like you said, it looks like there's more people doing 1170 01:12:20,720 --> 01:12:24,320 Speaker 1: it when the numbers are actually saying that there's fewer people, 1171 01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:28,360 Speaker 1: right right, right. Well, you know, we we talk a 1172 01:12:28,400 --> 01:12:30,800 Speaker 1: ton about hunter recruitment, we really do. I mean a 1173 01:12:30,800 --> 01:12:34,519 Speaker 1: lot of times are are mission and kind of what 1174 01:12:34,560 --> 01:12:36,400 Speaker 1: we're doing here. I mean we're talking a ton about 1175 01:12:36,720 --> 01:12:39,320 Speaker 1: hunter recruitment, and and it's it's a bigger deal than 1176 01:12:39,400 --> 01:12:42,400 Speaker 1: just you know, just going to a hunting area and 1177 01:12:42,600 --> 01:12:45,200 Speaker 1: being less people there. I mean, yeah, I I see 1178 01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:47,280 Speaker 1: what you're saying, Like it could be like sweet, I 1179 01:12:47,320 --> 01:12:50,479 Speaker 1: got this place to myself. But the long term is 1180 01:12:50,479 --> 01:12:53,840 Speaker 1: so much more significant from funding. I mean, when we 1181 01:12:54,000 --> 01:12:57,320 Speaker 1: nerd out about this stuff, and you know, the hunters 1182 01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:01,120 Speaker 1: are funding conservation, you know, license sale are are funding 1183 01:13:01,200 --> 01:13:04,679 Speaker 1: state state groups. You know, we we've got a whole 1184 01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:07,040 Speaker 1: podcasts that nerd out on all that kind of stuff. 1185 01:13:07,280 --> 01:13:09,600 Speaker 1: But but to your point, we I think we have 1186 01:13:09,680 --> 01:13:13,879 Speaker 1: the infrastructure to have a new wave of hunter recruitment. 1187 01:13:13,960 --> 01:13:16,679 Speaker 1: I've heard some people say that they feel like COVID 1188 01:13:16,800 --> 01:13:20,400 Speaker 1: nightteen stuff is gonna cause in general hunter recruitment to 1189 01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,960 Speaker 1: go up. Now. I know it did during the actual 1190 01:13:23,000 --> 01:13:27,760 Speaker 1: quarantine because people weren't working and they had more fruit. Right, 1191 01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:31,400 Speaker 1: But there's a there's two ways of thought. Like I 1192 01:13:31,400 --> 01:13:35,200 Speaker 1: feel like some of the people that are further disconnected 1193 01:13:35,280 --> 01:13:39,439 Speaker 1: from wild game as a as a protein source are 1194 01:13:39,479 --> 01:13:42,760 Speaker 1: gonna see the COVID nineteen thing as a deal to 1195 01:13:42,880 --> 01:13:46,599 Speaker 1: stay away from wildlife. It started with wildlife and humans. 1196 01:13:47,120 --> 01:13:51,920 Speaker 1: This this started as a wildlife human interaction eating interaction. 1197 01:13:52,160 --> 01:13:55,200 Speaker 1: So it's like, so people that are super disconnected that 1198 01:13:55,320 --> 01:14:00,479 Speaker 1: really have no reference might say, Man, this is even 1199 01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,000 Speaker 1: more reason not to go in the woods, not to 1200 01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,680 Speaker 1: you know, stay away from all that. The people that 1201 01:14:09,240 --> 01:14:14,640 Speaker 1: are more connected to whether meat comes from, they're a 1202 01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,200 Speaker 1: little bit more educated on where it comes from. I 1203 01:14:17,280 --> 01:14:19,680 Speaker 1: think it's gonna push them the other way because you know, 1204 01:14:19,880 --> 01:14:24,360 Speaker 1: somebody eating an undercooked bat is not equivalent to us. 1205 01:14:24,600 --> 01:14:27,479 Speaker 1: It's not even in the same ballpark as us going 1206 01:14:27,520 --> 01:14:30,759 Speaker 1: out and harvesting a deer, harveston a bear, harvesting a turkey, 1207 01:14:31,160 --> 01:14:33,679 Speaker 1: cooking and our processing that. I mean, you know, it's 1208 01:14:33,720 --> 01:14:36,320 Speaker 1: just it's just in a different playing field, and it's 1209 01:14:36,400 --> 01:14:38,880 Speaker 1: kind of hard for I kind of want to dig 1210 01:14:38,920 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 1: into the science of why it is. I know that 1211 01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:42,600 Speaker 1: it is. I want to dig into the science of it. 1212 01:14:42,760 --> 01:14:45,160 Speaker 1: But I think it's gonna push some people to, man, 1213 01:14:45,200 --> 01:14:48,160 Speaker 1: I better know where my meat comes from. I don't 1214 01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,320 Speaker 1: want to be taking any guesses of where my meat 1215 01:14:51,360 --> 01:14:54,120 Speaker 1: comes from. So that's the bigger picture of what is, 1216 01:14:55,040 --> 01:14:57,680 Speaker 1: you know, because no doubt this stuff has changed the 1217 01:14:57,720 --> 01:15:01,160 Speaker 1: planet for like for good. I mean, like this is 1218 01:15:01,200 --> 01:15:04,000 Speaker 1: like you know that you've all we've all heard it said. 1219 01:15:04,040 --> 01:15:06,880 Speaker 1: I mean, this is like nine eleven type stuff. You 1220 01:15:06,880 --> 01:15:09,840 Speaker 1: know that the Earth just forever was changed after this. Well, 1221 01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:13,160 Speaker 1: I mean that's what's happening, and it's it'll be interesting 1222 01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:18,880 Speaker 1: to see. I I hope that it pushes people more 1223 01:15:19,000 --> 01:15:26,400 Speaker 1: towards you know, responsible outdoor recreation to gather protein and 1224 01:15:27,320 --> 01:15:31,720 Speaker 1: hunting numbers increase. You know, everybody go to Alabama and 1225 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,760 Speaker 1: kill all camps turkeys. Honestly, if if you let me 1226 01:15:36,040 --> 01:15:44,439 Speaker 1: hunt with you, I just like seeing them. Uh well, 1227 01:15:44,560 --> 01:15:48,559 Speaker 1: uh man, Cam, thanks for uh you know, I almost 1228 01:15:48,560 --> 01:15:51,240 Speaker 1: had you bring your guitar. I wanted. I was like, man, 1229 01:15:51,280 --> 01:15:55,200 Speaker 1: if we hadn't really thought about it, I guess you know. 1230 01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:58,240 Speaker 1: I I hated to ask you to do that because 1231 01:15:58,240 --> 01:16:00,599 Speaker 1: I you know, I just didn't didn't know if you'd 1232 01:16:00,600 --> 01:16:02,960 Speaker 1: be comfortable with that or not. But I wish I had. Yeah, 1233 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:05,679 Speaker 1: I don't. We can do a live concert if fewer 1234 01:16:06,479 --> 01:16:09,200 Speaker 1: situations that I'm more comfortable in than that right there, 1235 01:16:09,320 --> 01:16:13,280 Speaker 1: that Gus sitting in a tree stand. But um, yeah, 1236 01:16:13,360 --> 01:16:15,360 Speaker 1: I definitely would have done that. That would have been great. Well, 1237 01:16:15,400 --> 01:16:18,519 Speaker 1: what we might do is uh definitely working. Tell us 1238 01:16:18,560 --> 01:16:21,519 Speaker 1: how people can find your music and find you on 1239 01:16:21,560 --> 01:16:25,960 Speaker 1: social media, music, hunting life in general. You know, you 1240 01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:30,840 Speaker 1: can check me out on Instagram, at camp spins, uh, Facebook, 1241 01:16:31,040 --> 01:16:36,560 Speaker 1: camp spins, Um, you know, all the all the normals. Um, 1242 01:16:36,600 --> 01:16:44,400 Speaker 1: but I would say, uh, musically, if you purchase my 1243 01:16:44,520 --> 01:16:47,040 Speaker 1: music is available anywhere you purchase your music, or if 1244 01:16:47,040 --> 01:16:49,240 Speaker 1: you're a streamer, you know you can pick it up 1245 01:16:49,240 --> 01:16:52,439 Speaker 1: on Spotify or you know any other big ones iTunes, Amazon, 1246 01:16:53,000 --> 01:16:56,800 Speaker 1: literally any music outlet known to man. I think my 1247 01:16:56,960 --> 01:16:59,680 Speaker 1: music is available on just search camp spins and I'll 1248 01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,920 Speaker 1: be there. What should what? What? What song would you 1249 01:17:01,920 --> 01:17:04,760 Speaker 1: tell him to go listen to? If you're an outdoorsman 1250 01:17:06,040 --> 01:17:10,439 Speaker 1: and you like and you like to hunt, I would say, um, 1251 01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,840 Speaker 1: go listen to Got it from my Daddy. I wrote 1252 01:17:12,840 --> 01:17:16,920 Speaker 1: that for my dad, Um about kind of the main 1253 01:17:18,040 --> 01:17:21,920 Speaker 1: things that he's instilled in us over the years, and um, 1254 01:17:22,160 --> 01:17:25,400 Speaker 1: kind of the things that he introduced us to baseball 1255 01:17:25,439 --> 01:17:27,519 Speaker 1: as a kid. He was always our baseball coach for 1256 01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:30,720 Speaker 1: years and years. And then hunting, you know, obviously goes 1257 01:17:30,800 --> 01:17:35,120 Speaker 1: without say um and there's some there's some clever little 1258 01:17:35,160 --> 01:17:37,840 Speaker 1: lines in there that'll make you laugh too. But um, 1259 01:17:37,880 --> 01:17:41,960 Speaker 1: but yeah, that's as far as of songs that mean 1260 01:17:42,160 --> 01:17:44,760 Speaker 1: something to me, I think that one's up there at 1261 01:17:44,760 --> 01:17:48,160 Speaker 1: the top somewhere. Um. I love that song, love that 1262 01:17:48,200 --> 01:17:52,240 Speaker 1: song a whole lot, um, but so I would check 1263 01:17:52,280 --> 01:17:56,120 Speaker 1: that one out. But honestly, if you just like, you know, 1264 01:17:56,800 --> 01:18:00,360 Speaker 1: well written country music, just listen to my whole catale. Man. 1265 01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,200 Speaker 1: I got some I got some pretty good stuff in there. 1266 01:18:02,840 --> 01:18:05,519 Speaker 1: It's not necessarily uh A lot of it's not what 1267 01:18:05,600 --> 01:18:07,680 Speaker 1: you would hear on country radio. And I'm think I'm 1268 01:18:07,720 --> 01:18:10,160 Speaker 1: kind of proud of that, if we're being perfectly honest, 1269 01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,960 Speaker 1: I think the radio suffers a lot at its at 1270 01:18:12,960 --> 01:18:17,960 Speaker 1: its own expense, but not playing um, what I consider 1271 01:18:18,040 --> 01:18:24,360 Speaker 1: to be more sophisticated uh country music. Right on sophisticated 1272 01:18:24,360 --> 01:18:29,040 Speaker 1: country music. I like it. I like it. Um. Okay. 1273 01:18:29,040 --> 01:18:31,320 Speaker 1: So that's where people can find you and then go 1274 01:18:31,680 --> 01:18:33,960 Speaker 1: and go check out all your music. Yeah you're yeah. 1275 01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,760 Speaker 1: I was searching some of your stuff earlier day. Yeah, 1276 01:18:36,960 --> 01:18:39,680 Speaker 1: find it, Cam Spinks, that's it. Call me what what 1277 01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:42,200 Speaker 1: you got anything else for? Cam? I think I'm gonna 1278 01:18:42,240 --> 01:18:45,880 Speaker 1: ask a typical question, who are you musical influences? My 1279 01:18:46,000 --> 01:18:53,679 Speaker 1: musical influences? Over boy, that's the question everyone. You get 1280 01:18:53,720 --> 01:18:56,240 Speaker 1: it so often, But I'm so not pop culture. I 1281 01:18:56,280 --> 01:18:58,080 Speaker 1: didn't know that I needed to ask me this and 1282 01:18:58,200 --> 01:19:08,480 Speaker 1: that that's fair. Yeah. Um no, I would say, Um, 1283 01:19:08,560 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 1: you know, I grew up on on nineties country and 1284 01:19:11,640 --> 01:19:16,799 Speaker 1: kind of southern rock. Um, you know, the the Guards, 1285 01:19:17,000 --> 01:19:21,040 Speaker 1: the Alan Jackson, the you know, all all your all 1286 01:19:21,080 --> 01:19:22,960 Speaker 1: your big time nineties. I'm not gonna sit here and 1287 01:19:22,960 --> 01:19:24,720 Speaker 1: tell you that I was like a huge Whalen fan 1288 01:19:24,840 --> 01:19:26,960 Speaker 1: or a big brol I like those guys. But that's 1289 01:19:26,960 --> 01:19:28,400 Speaker 1: just not what I grew up. When I grew up 1290 01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:34,679 Speaker 1: on good, hearty nineties country Joe Diffy, saw your Brown 1291 01:19:34,960 --> 01:19:37,479 Speaker 1: all that good stuff. Uh. And then on the on 1292 01:19:37,560 --> 01:19:40,080 Speaker 1: kind of the classic rock side, it was you know, 1293 01:19:40,200 --> 01:19:43,880 Speaker 1: Skinnered and Almond Brothers and all that kind of stuff. 1294 01:19:43,920 --> 01:19:48,400 Speaker 1: But then in recent years, um, kind of the more 1295 01:19:48,479 --> 01:19:52,200 Speaker 1: modern artists that I've taken a liking too, and and 1296 01:19:52,280 --> 01:19:55,519 Speaker 1: some of my music has been influenced by is like 1297 01:19:55,640 --> 01:20:00,920 Speaker 1: Jason is Bowl and Cody Jinks, a lot of these um, 1298 01:20:00,960 --> 01:20:03,920 Speaker 1: Tyler Childer's, you know, a lot of these Appalachia guys, 1299 01:20:04,760 --> 01:20:09,479 Speaker 1: Sturgill Simpson, another Kentucky guy, Stapleton. Um, just kind of 1300 01:20:09,520 --> 01:20:13,519 Speaker 1: the guys that are more edgy country, UM, that don't 1301 01:20:13,640 --> 01:20:17,360 Speaker 1: stick with the the mold of the Nashville mold. If 1302 01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,559 Speaker 1: if you will, Um, people that kind of do their 1303 01:20:19,600 --> 01:20:23,519 Speaker 1: own thing. I love that. Um. So yeah, I would 1304 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,559 Speaker 1: say a lot of those guys, that's that's what I 1305 01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,599 Speaker 1: listened to, and that's what I not necessarily try to emulate. 1306 01:20:28,640 --> 01:20:31,240 Speaker 1: But some of it just comes out naturally. That's, you know, 1307 01:20:31,240 --> 01:20:34,960 Speaker 1: because those are the sounds I'm hearing so often. Um, 1308 01:20:35,000 --> 01:20:36,320 Speaker 1: you know that's kind of the stuff I want to 1309 01:20:36,320 --> 01:20:39,600 Speaker 1: incorporate in my music. So um, I feel like I 1310 01:20:39,680 --> 01:20:41,679 Speaker 1: kind of have my own sound, though, like I don't. 1311 01:20:42,479 --> 01:20:46,120 Speaker 1: I try not to sound like someone else. Is that 1312 01:20:46,120 --> 01:20:48,240 Speaker 1: that seems like it would be hard. It's a lot 1313 01:20:48,240 --> 01:20:51,439 Speaker 1: of people. It is a lot harder. Like let's say 1314 01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:54,360 Speaker 1: your your voice is your voice, you know, Um, you 1315 01:20:54,400 --> 01:20:59,600 Speaker 1: can't change that that much and sustain it. Um, you 1316 01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:01,759 Speaker 1: kind of gotta stay you kind of have to stay 1317 01:21:02,040 --> 01:21:04,280 Speaker 1: in your lane. Like your voice is gonna sound like 1318 01:21:04,320 --> 01:21:07,640 Speaker 1: your voice, and if it sounds like other people, then 1319 01:21:07,680 --> 01:21:10,400 Speaker 1: it sounds like other people. But if it doesn't, you know, 1320 01:21:10,960 --> 01:21:15,679 Speaker 1: I think that's beneficial. Um. I've been told on multiple 1321 01:21:15,680 --> 01:21:17,679 Speaker 1: occasions that you know, you don't you just don't sound 1322 01:21:17,680 --> 01:21:20,200 Speaker 1: like anyone, and I always take it as a compliment. 1323 01:21:20,400 --> 01:21:24,600 Speaker 1: I love hearing that so um At least vocally, you know. 1324 01:21:25,680 --> 01:21:29,720 Speaker 1: Um So I would say, uh, that's where all my 1325 01:21:29,760 --> 01:21:34,600 Speaker 1: influences lie. And um kind of the the lane that 1326 01:21:34,640 --> 01:21:37,760 Speaker 1: I'm trying to fall into. That's good man. What about 1327 01:21:37,840 --> 01:21:42,040 Speaker 1: hunting influences? I think all of us. I'm gonna throw 1328 01:21:42,040 --> 01:21:45,800 Speaker 1: one at you that UM I hope you know who 1329 01:21:45,800 --> 01:21:50,640 Speaker 1: it is, Dan Fitzgerald. Yeah, all right, so Dan Fitzgerald 1330 01:21:50,680 --> 01:21:53,559 Speaker 1: the best thing you've said this whole podcast. And his 1331 01:21:53,560 --> 01:21:57,519 Speaker 1: son's name Guy right, yeah, sure is um So. I 1332 01:21:57,560 --> 01:22:01,760 Speaker 1: grew up on Dan Fitzgerald the core. UM. For the 1333 01:22:01,800 --> 01:22:05,920 Speaker 1: first several years of of learning archery. It was all instinctive, 1334 01:22:06,120 --> 01:22:09,799 Speaker 1: even with even with the little I had a psc 1335 01:22:09,920 --> 01:22:13,320 Speaker 1: bandit compound. I didn't have a site on it. Ever. 1336 01:22:13,920 --> 01:22:16,960 Speaker 1: UM I never killed Ado. I was like eight nine 1337 01:22:17,000 --> 01:22:19,760 Speaker 1: years old, you know I was. Back then it wasn't 1338 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,280 Speaker 1: legal unless you were pulling thirty five pounds, and so 1339 01:22:22,920 --> 01:22:25,360 Speaker 1: I wasn't pulling thirty five pounds. But that's how I learned. 1340 01:22:25,400 --> 01:22:30,720 Speaker 1: I learned instinctively, and later on, UM I did get 1341 01:22:30,800 --> 01:22:34,599 Speaker 1: into instinctive archery for a short period of time. UM 1342 01:22:34,640 --> 01:22:36,200 Speaker 1: I had a long bow. I didn't even go to 1343 01:22:36,240 --> 01:22:39,320 Speaker 1: the recurve route. I went straight to long and um, 1344 01:22:39,400 --> 01:22:43,680 Speaker 1: I got fairly proficient with it. UM hunted with it 1345 01:22:43,800 --> 01:22:48,479 Speaker 1: several times, never had the opportunity to kill anything, but um, 1346 01:22:48,520 --> 01:22:53,439 Speaker 1: you know I had. There was a hunt where the 1347 01:22:53,479 --> 01:22:56,000 Speaker 1: buck was just a little further than I was comfortable 1348 01:22:56,000 --> 01:22:57,920 Speaker 1: with with that one, and I was like, if I 1349 01:22:58,040 --> 01:23:00,439 Speaker 1: just had my compound, you know. And so from then 1350 01:23:00,640 --> 01:23:03,560 Speaker 1: I kind of slipped back into the compound world. And 1351 01:23:03,560 --> 01:23:07,280 Speaker 1: and uh, but no, I would say, uh, Dan Fitzgerald, 1352 01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:11,240 Speaker 1: for sure, Tim Wells more recently, I love Tim Wells man. 1353 01:23:11,960 --> 01:23:17,520 Speaker 1: Uh And then you mentioned him earlier, Steve Ronella. I 1354 01:23:17,520 --> 01:23:21,280 Speaker 1: I could watch and listen to Steve Ronello for days 1355 01:23:21,680 --> 01:23:23,880 Speaker 1: and never get tired of it. What do you watch 1356 01:23:23,880 --> 01:23:26,000 Speaker 1: this stuff? Do you watch all of his I watched 1357 01:23:26,040 --> 01:23:28,120 Speaker 1: I watched, Yeah, I watched all of that. But then 1358 01:23:28,280 --> 01:23:32,160 Speaker 1: I've listened to his podcast a little bit, um, but 1359 01:23:32,240 --> 01:23:34,960 Speaker 1: mainly the stuff on Netflix. I just to be able 1360 01:23:35,000 --> 01:23:37,960 Speaker 1: to see it and and and hear it as well. 1361 01:23:38,000 --> 01:23:40,559 Speaker 1: It's just and the things he's been able to do, 1362 01:23:40,760 --> 01:23:42,439 Speaker 1: and then he cooks on top of that. You know. 1363 01:23:42,479 --> 01:23:45,439 Speaker 1: It's just that's another thing I love. It's a pretty 1364 01:23:45,479 --> 01:23:49,559 Speaker 1: eclectic glup group there, Dan Fitzgerald, Tim Wells and Steve 1365 01:23:50,200 --> 01:23:54,360 Speaker 1: and then and then probably the last big one. I'm 1366 01:23:54,360 --> 01:23:59,360 Speaker 1: a so keeping with the archery theme, I actually did 1367 01:24:00,200 --> 01:24:03,799 Speaker 1: my I did like a sort of a senior thesis 1368 01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:09,320 Speaker 1: in high school, UM on Fred Bear, big Fred Bear guy. 1369 01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,720 Speaker 1: At some point I'm gonna get some Fred Bear tattoos. 1370 01:24:12,720 --> 01:24:17,479 Speaker 1: It's gonna happen. Um. And you know, you can't talk 1371 01:24:17,520 --> 01:24:20,360 Speaker 1: about Fred Bear without talking about Ted Nugent. I love 1372 01:24:23,080 --> 01:24:27,879 Speaker 1: love Ted Nugent, his antics. He cracks me the hell up. 1373 01:24:28,720 --> 01:24:32,960 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, I think I've got a Ted Nugent 1374 01:24:33,040 --> 01:24:37,760 Speaker 1: for president. I love it. I hope he says Uncle Ted. 1375 01:24:37,800 --> 01:24:44,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember different president. But and then probably another 1376 01:24:44,200 --> 01:24:47,360 Speaker 1: guy that I really really really respect, not only for 1377 01:24:47,479 --> 01:24:50,720 Speaker 1: his for his efforts in hunting and stuff, but just 1378 01:24:50,800 --> 01:24:54,559 Speaker 1: his conservation efforts and his depth of knowledge of hunting 1379 01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:56,760 Speaker 1: in so many different cultures in different places around the 1380 01:24:56,800 --> 01:25:00,559 Speaker 1: world is obviously Jim Shaky. Yeah. I'm and that guy. 1381 01:25:01,160 --> 01:25:07,400 Speaker 1: If there was if there was one um hunter figure 1382 01:25:07,479 --> 01:25:10,280 Speaker 1: hunting figure that I could just meet and sit down 1383 01:25:10,320 --> 01:25:13,479 Speaker 1: and have a beer with, it would be Jim Sharkey. Yeah. Yeah, 1384 01:25:13,800 --> 01:25:16,680 Speaker 1: big Jim Sharkey fan. Yeah yeah, I feel like that 1385 01:25:16,720 --> 01:25:19,720 Speaker 1: guy did it. Right, Yeah, yeah, I have a lot 1386 01:25:19,720 --> 01:25:23,360 Speaker 1: of respect for Jim Shocky for sure. Yeah, yeah, those 1387 01:25:23,360 --> 01:25:25,800 Speaker 1: are my good group. Yeah. And then if you guys 1388 01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:28,160 Speaker 1: are if you guys have never heard of t K 1389 01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:35,439 Speaker 1: and Micael, how old you must be? Like exactly, my boy, 1390 01:25:37,080 --> 01:25:40,320 Speaker 1: I'm thirty. You're way younger than me. I'm thirty years old. 1391 01:25:40,320 --> 01:25:44,679 Speaker 1: But you know, I've assembled a Porto Pooper or two 1392 01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,479 Speaker 1: in my day, so I grew up on those guys 1393 01:25:47,479 --> 01:25:54,240 Speaker 1: as well. Uh TK and love it? Yeah, w W 1394 01:25:54,080 --> 01:26:01,720 Speaker 1: the water you see a piece upper where you don't 1395 01:26:01,760 --> 01:26:10,880 Speaker 1: see him? Oh? Good, love, it's good. That's good. What 1396 01:26:11,000 --> 01:26:17,280 Speaker 1: about the The Misadventures of Bubba? Oh my god, was 1397 01:26:17,320 --> 01:26:22,520 Speaker 1: it Jim Barney? Oh man, that's funny. Yeah, those were classics. 1398 01:26:22,800 --> 01:26:27,080 Speaker 1: Oh that's good man. Hey, thanks a ton for thanks 1399 01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,000 Speaker 1: a ton for coming out here and mean with us 1400 01:26:29,040 --> 01:26:34,240 Speaker 1: man anytime, anytime. It's it's been an enjoyable conversation. And 1401 01:26:34,240 --> 01:26:40,960 Speaker 1: and uh man, congratulations on you know. I'm always like, 1402 01:26:41,000 --> 01:26:47,280 Speaker 1: I'm I'm conscious, I'm always consciously like perusing media trying 1403 01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:51,240 Speaker 1: to see a hunting figure in mainstream media. And I 1404 01:26:51,240 --> 01:26:53,720 Speaker 1: think that's what caught my even though they didn't say 1405 01:26:53,720 --> 01:26:54,880 Speaker 1: you were a hunter. But I knew you were a 1406 01:26:54,960 --> 01:26:58,840 Speaker 1: hunter even even then when we talking about that, well 1407 01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:02,880 Speaker 1: even to the point in uh and and part of 1408 01:27:02,960 --> 01:27:05,479 Speaker 1: Blake's deal that he did he had like some deer 1409 01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:09,080 Speaker 1: mounts or something in the back and behind him, and 1410 01:27:09,120 --> 01:27:14,519 Speaker 1: I was like, hey, I'll take it super mainstream outlet 1411 01:27:14,680 --> 01:27:17,240 Speaker 1: like kind of being okay with like a deer head 1412 01:27:17,320 --> 01:27:20,519 Speaker 1: Like that's I think that's a win. But now anyway, 1413 01:27:20,600 --> 01:27:24,840 Speaker 1: just congratulations on on you know, going as far as 1414 01:27:24,920 --> 01:27:27,160 Speaker 1: you did on the voice and just your career in 1415 01:27:27,240 --> 01:27:29,720 Speaker 1: music and stuff. And man, I really do wish you 1416 01:27:29,760 --> 01:27:33,360 Speaker 1: the best up here in Northwest Arkansan. I know you're 1417 01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:37,719 Speaker 1: new up here and getting my feet wet. Yeah yeah, 1418 01:27:37,880 --> 01:27:42,400 Speaker 1: But right on, any closing thoughts, anything you wanna, Man, 1419 01:27:43,080 --> 01:27:45,719 Speaker 1: I'm sure your listeners have heard it once or twice before, 1420 01:27:45,760 --> 01:27:49,360 Speaker 1: but I am thoroughly impressed with this room and it's decor. 1421 01:27:50,240 --> 01:27:53,080 Speaker 1: Thanks man, It's intriguing. Man. And like I said, having 1422 01:27:53,120 --> 01:27:57,479 Speaker 1: never been hunted before, I'm anxious to it too, to 1423 01:27:57,560 --> 01:28:00,680 Speaker 1: jump into that world as well. Yeah, just another thing 1424 01:28:00,680 --> 01:28:03,280 Speaker 1: that's spend my money on, you know, Yeah, another thing 1425 01:28:03,400 --> 01:28:08,240 Speaker 1: for my fiance to get mad about. Right on, right on, 1426 01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:12,240 Speaker 1: I'm sure y'all don't know anything about that. Well, now, 1427 01:28:12,680 --> 01:28:14,840 Speaker 1: pleasure to have you, and uh yeah, we'll stay in 1428 01:28:14,840 --> 01:28:17,639 Speaker 1: touch for sure, and yeah, check out check out camp spins, 1429 01:28:17,680 --> 01:28:20,360 Speaker 1: look him up, look up of music, and uh yeah, 1430 01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,000 Speaker 1: keep the wild places wild because that's where the bears live. 1431 01:28:23,400 --> 01:28:32,280 Speaker 1: Heard that I've got an on F one Hunter Model 1432 01:28:32,439 --> 01:28:44,920 Speaker 1: sixty four, reading old cone or red paint three on 1433 01:28:44,960 --> 01:28:58,439 Speaker 1: the floor. People try to buy off me. I'll never 1434 01:28:58,680 --> 01:29:15,920 Speaker 1: sell at chess. I got it from my dad, somewhere 1435 01:29:16,040 --> 01:29:28,160 Speaker 1: in my close. It's my own baseball clothe the post boys. 1436 01:29:28,240 --> 01:29:34,080 Speaker 1: It's a warmer, but that game was my first love. 1437 01:29:39,560 --> 01:29:45,599 Speaker 1: I never got to play it past eight. And I've 1438 01:29:45,640 --> 01:29:50,799 Speaker 1: got the guitar and another dream. I got it from 1439 01:29:50,840 --> 01:30:03,759 Speaker 1: my dad. Got it from my daddy. I ain't scared 1440 01:30:05,080 --> 01:30:11,400 Speaker 1: to get a little dirty. My forehead is bigger than 1441 01:30:11,479 --> 01:30:17,799 Speaker 1: he used to be. I'm stopping in as the days long, 1442 01:30:18,040 --> 01:30:24,840 Speaker 1: and it's how I always be. And I got it 1443 01:30:24,920 --> 01:30:37,719 Speaker 1: from my dadsy, I got it from my daddy. That's 1444 01:30:37,760 --> 01:30:50,240 Speaker 1: a rifle in the corner two forty three. It's cute 1445 01:30:50,520 --> 01:31:02,160 Speaker 1: mount a white tail all across the southeast. Me and 1446 01:31:02,280 --> 01:31:08,920 Speaker 1: that gun and made some memory. Got a fashion for 1447 01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:14,280 Speaker 1: the great outdoors in me. I got it from my daddy. 1448 01:31:18,160 --> 01:31:27,640 Speaker 1: I got it from my daddy. I ain't scared to 1449 01:31:27,760 --> 01:31:34,080 Speaker 1: get a little dirty. My fold is bigger than he 1450 01:31:34,240 --> 01:31:40,600 Speaker 1: used to be. So then as the days long, and 1451 01:31:40,680 --> 01:31:52,760 Speaker 1: it's how I long. I got it from my daddy. Yeah, 1452 01:31:52,880 --> 01:32:00,600 Speaker 1: got it from my dadaddy, she