WEBVTT - Historical Records: Josh Gibson (feat. Fergie L. Philippe and Bob Kendrick)

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, what's up you all?

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<v Speaker 2>This is Questlove, and in honor of Black History Month,

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<v Speaker 2>on Fridays, we're gonna be releasing episodes of Historical Records,

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<v Speaker 2>which is my podcast with the story pirates and it's

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<v Speaker 2>an explosive fusion of hip hop and history, tailor made

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<v Speaker 2>for music loving kids and families. Yeah, it's something the

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<v Speaker 2>entire family can listen to and enjoy together. So in

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<v Speaker 2>this episode, host Nemine learns about Josh Gibson, the greatest

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<v Speaker 2>power hitter baseball has ever seen, and Broadway star Freggiel

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<v Speaker 2>Philippe breaks it down in a brand new hip hop

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<v Speaker 2>track featuring an interview between Bob Kendrick, president of the

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<v Speaker 2>Negro League Baseball Museum, and a ten year old baseball

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<v Speaker 2>enthusiast named Peyton. Get your kids, sit back and enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>Historical Records, the show that proves that in order to

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<v Speaker 2>make history, you have to make some noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Keep taking records. I know it's out here somewhere, hey, listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>Nimity here outside my secret underground layer looking for a

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<v Speaker 1>time capsule that I buried over ten years ago. It

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<v Speaker 1>has all kinds of special items from my childhood that

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot wait to tell you about, Tana.

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<v Speaker 3>Did you find it yet?

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<v Speaker 1>How's it going over there? I agree? The ground is

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<v Speaker 1>way too hard for these shovels. You have a jackhammer, Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>you buried the lead. Let's get that thing up and

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<v Speaker 1>run it. This is great. We're gonna find my time

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<v Speaker 1>capsule in no time. This way, Tina, No, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 1>not that way. Where are you going now.

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<v Speaker 3>Here?

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<v Speaker 1>Let me try. I appreciate the warning, but I'll be fine.

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<v Speaker 1>You might be a little too small to run this

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<v Speaker 1>jackhammer properly. I'll just hop on and then wh.

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<v Speaker 4>Why am I going?

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<v Speaker 3>Big way? Why am I going that way? Now? Where

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<v Speaker 3>am i? God? Like?

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<v Speaker 1>Well, that jackhammer clearly didn't work right, and we still

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<v Speaker 1>haven't found my time capsule. What Tina? You have a

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<v Speaker 1>bobcat digger, go get it. Why were we using shovels?

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<v Speaker 3>In a jackhammer?

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<v Speaker 1>We're gonna find this thing.

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<v Speaker 5>No historical, you are now listening to historical.

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<v Speaker 1>To make history, you got to have struggles to make history.

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<v Speaker 1>You got to show pois cannot be quiet loud as

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<v Speaker 1>a riot to make history. You gotta make some noise,

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<v Speaker 1>incredible dig right here, Tina. I know I've said this before,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't said of this is this fuck? We

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<v Speaker 1>hit the time capsule, now dig around it.

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<v Speaker 3>I did it, but not my time.

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<v Speaker 1>Capsule, and I dug it out. Fair point, Tina, you

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<v Speaker 1>did play a critical role. Now, listeners, you may be wondering,

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<v Speaker 1>what does Niminy have in this time capsule that is

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<v Speaker 1>so important that it's delaying the start of this episode,

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<v Speaker 1>an episode in which we are going to learn about

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<v Speaker 1>the great baseball legend Josh Gibson. Excellent question, listeners, to

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<v Speaker 1>answer it, Let's first drag my time capsule out of

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<v Speaker 1>this hole. Among the many things I am excited to

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<v Speaker 1>show you, first up is a red cape that I

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<v Speaker 1>wore pretty much every day for nearly two years when

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<v Speaker 1>I was a kid, and opening the look with the

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<v Speaker 1>key I always keep around my neck. You see, I

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<v Speaker 1>wanted to be a superhero, so my red cape was critical.

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<v Speaker 1>Every good superhero needs a good red cap opening the latch. Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>what it's green? My superhero cape is green? How is

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<v Speaker 1>that possible? I was certain it was red. I agree, Tin,

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<v Speaker 1>know that is so strange. Surely the next thing in

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<v Speaker 1>my time caps sole will match my memory. After all,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a fantastic memory. You don't know that I

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<v Speaker 1>see it. The green looks fantastic. This cape is even

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<v Speaker 1>cooler than I realized.

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<v Speaker 3>What is it?

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<v Speaker 1>Tina? Right? Of course, we probably should get started with

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<v Speaker 1>the episode listeners. We'll get back to going through my

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<v Speaker 1>time caps a little little later. There's a lot in

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<v Speaker 1>here you're gonna want to see. But right now we

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<v Speaker 1>got to dive into today's historical figure, Josh Gibson. And

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<v Speaker 1>in order to do that, we have to find our

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<v Speaker 1>historian friend Gabe. WHOA that might be the biggest construction

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<v Speaker 1>vehicle I have ever seen. It's a giant excavator. Who

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<v Speaker 1>is driving that thing?

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<v Speaker 3>Incoming?

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<v Speaker 4>Watch out? Everybody?

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<v Speaker 3>Wait? Is that Gabe? Gabe? Is that jo? Hey nimany

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<v Speaker 3>I can barely see you up there?

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<v Speaker 4>Come on up, you can use the ladder.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh wow, yep, okay here come oho, we are really

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<v Speaker 1>high up. Hey Gabe, there you are. What are you

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<v Speaker 1>doing with this huge thing?

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<v Speaker 4>I heard you needed some help digging, so I brought

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<v Speaker 4>my personal digging machine to help.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>I actually found what I was looking for. And did

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<v Speaker 1>you say that this commercial machine typically used to dig

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<v Speaker 1>out massive minds? Is yours?

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<v Speaker 4>That is correct? You see, being a historian and getting

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<v Speaker 4>the history right often takes a little digging, sometimes literally.

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<v Speaker 1>That makes a lot of sense.

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<v Speaker 4>Speaking of digging, should we dig into the life of

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<v Speaker 4>the great Josh Gibson?

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but Gabe, before we go back in time, can

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<v Speaker 1>I be honest?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 4>I actually prefer that you be honest, respectfully.

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<v Speaker 1>I really don't like that the history simulator looks and

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<v Speaker 1>feels sounds like a gooey alien pod. It's very uncomfortable

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<v Speaker 1>to be it.

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<v Speaker 4>I couldn't agree more, which is why I built my

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<v Speaker 4>own history simulator.

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<v Speaker 1>You did, no way, where is it?

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<v Speaker 4>We're sitting in it. Welcome to the History Excavator nineteen twenty.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, I love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Very impressive, you said, History Excavator nineteen twenty. Why nineteen twenty?

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, that's just where we're headed today. Hold on, niminy

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<v Speaker 4>a Roaring twenties, here we come.

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<v Speaker 3>It's so gay.

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<v Speaker 1>This is about one hundred years.

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<v Speaker 4>Ago, right nearly to the day, and it was a

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<v Speaker 4>time of incredible change in the United States.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey, look at those cool ladies with short bob haircuts

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<v Speaker 1>and just below the knee lenked stresses.

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<v Speaker 6>Uh.

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<v Speaker 4>Yes, those ladies were known as flappers at the time.

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<v Speaker 4>These dresses were considered by many to be scandalous for

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<v Speaker 4>being too short.

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<v Speaker 1>Too short, that looked like formal dresses to me. I

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<v Speaker 1>guess we really have come a long way or a

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<v Speaker 1>short way. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 3>Whoom.

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<v Speaker 1>Check out that guy wailing on the saxophone.

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<v Speaker 4>Pretty amazing. Right in the nineteen twenties, there was an

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<v Speaker 4>explosion of music exploration, including the birth of jazz.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh and look at that group of men with those

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<v Speaker 1>ridiculous pinstriped suits. They look away.

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<v Speaker 3>Its niminy.

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<v Speaker 4>Be careful, those men are very serious. In fact, they

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<v Speaker 4>might be gangsters. Gate.

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<v Speaker 1>You really shouldn't judge a book by its cover. Just

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<v Speaker 1>because those guys look like cartoon mobsters doesn't mean they are.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet they have a great sense of humor too.

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<v Speaker 1>Watch this, hey, sir, your suit is hysterical. You look

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<v Speaker 1>like a businessman doing an impression of a zebra.

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<v Speaker 7>I you think I'm funny, You think my suitors are

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<v Speaker 7>joke usink I'm a zebra business clown sent from the

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<v Speaker 7>Zuda make your.

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<v Speaker 1>Lab No, no, no, none of that. It's a very

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<v Speaker 1>fetching outfit. And we have to go Gate hit it.

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<v Speaker 4>Here we go down to the South.

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<v Speaker 3>Who I was.

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<v Speaker 1>Close, Gabe. Sorry for not trusting your instincts about who

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<v Speaker 1>is and who is in a gangst. Anyway, thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>getting us out of there. Speaking of getting out of there, Gabe, Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>I see our black families packing their things and getting

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<v Speaker 1>out of town.

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<v Speaker 4>It was known as the Great Migration. Lots of black

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<v Speaker 4>folks were moving from the rural south to cities in

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<v Speaker 4>the north with the promise of safer communities, better jobs,

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<v Speaker 4>more pay, and a brighter future.

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<v Speaker 1>And once they got to the north, where would they work.

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<v Speaker 4>Let's head to the north. Here we are in the North.

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<v Speaker 4>Often black folks would work in steel factories like that one,

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<v Speaker 4>in cities like this one Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania.

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<v Speaker 1>Look over their Gabe, a department store. Can we go in?

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<v Speaker 1>I want to buy one of those flapper dresses.

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<v Speaker 4>It's not just any department store. It's Gimbals, which is

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<v Speaker 4>where Josh Gibson worked.

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<v Speaker 1>Cool head through the revolving doors and check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh mah, there are a headspinning amount of flapper dress options.

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<v Speaker 1>Too many options actually, and suddenly I have no interest

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<v Speaker 1>in shopping. Hey, did you say Josh Gibson works here?

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<v Speaker 1>I thought he was a baseball player.

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<v Speaker 4>He was, but when his family first moved to the North,

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<v Speaker 4>he wanted to be an electrician. I know it sounds weird,

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<v Speaker 4>but electricity was still considered a fairly new technology, so

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<v Speaker 4>it was a great trade to get into. And he

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<v Speaker 4>started as an elevator operator at Gimbals Gabe.

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<v Speaker 1>Sorry to interrupt, but who's that teenager over by the

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<v Speaker 1>old timey elevator.

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<v Speaker 4>That's actually Josh Gibson. He takes people up and down

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<v Speaker 4>to different floors in the store.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course, an elevator operator.

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<v Speaker 3>Got it.

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<v Speaker 1>But how does he transition from this to baseball?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, this department store doesn't just have an irresponsible amount

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<v Speaker 4>of flapper dress options. They also have an amateur baseball team.

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<v Speaker 4>They do, Yeah, they do, and it's called the gimbal Ac.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's how Josh Gibson started playing baseball.

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<v Speaker 1>He was only sixteen though.

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<v Speaker 4>That's true, but he took to the sport like a

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<v Speaker 4>fish to water. Josh knew how to keep his eye

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<v Speaker 4>on the ball and slam crack knock it out of

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<v Speaker 4>the park. He was a home run king and in

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<v Speaker 4>no time at all, other local teams were eyeing this

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<v Speaker 4>young prospect.

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<v Speaker 1>So did he quit his job to play baseball, not yet.

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<v Speaker 1>He kept his job at the department store while playing baseball.

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<v Speaker 4>He had to keep that job to make ends meet.

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<v Speaker 4>You see, at the time, there was a different league

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<v Speaker 4>for black players. It was known as the Negro League,

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<v Speaker 4>and Josh played for a less official Negro League team,

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<v Speaker 4>kind of like the minor leagues today.

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<v Speaker 1>And did he eventually go pro?

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<v Speaker 4>You bet. His name and his fame grew and he

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<v Speaker 4>eventually was able to go professional. But it was almost

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<v Speaker 4>by accident.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds like an interest a story.

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<v Speaker 3>It is.

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<v Speaker 4>Hold tight. We're headed to the game where it all happened, Gabe.

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<v Speaker 1>We might be at the wrong baseball game. I don't

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<v Speaker 1>see Josh Gibson anywhere on the field.

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<v Speaker 4>That's because he was in the stands.

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<v Speaker 1>The stands, so he wasn't playing.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, it's nineteen thirty and Josh is still playing in

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<v Speaker 4>the less official leagues, but he was at this major

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<v Speaker 4>league game as a fan.

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<v Speaker 1>I see him up there in the stands.

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<v Speaker 4>Josh and everyone else at the stadium was watching the

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<v Speaker 4>Homestead Grays, the best Pittsburgh team in the Negro League.

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<v Speaker 1>Gabe, there are some seats open break behind Josh. Let's

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<v Speaker 1>watch the game from.

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<v Speaker 4>There perfect, Hey, where'd you get all that food.

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<v Speaker 1>At the concession stand, Gabe Warehouse. Don't worry. I got

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<v Speaker 1>you a hot dog, some peanuts, some nacho's, a cotton candy.

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<v Speaker 3>And a large drink.

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<v Speaker 4>Oh, thank you.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are our seats.

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<v Speaker 4>This is a lot of food.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay. The batter is up and I can barely hear

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<v Speaker 1>the announcer over your chomping. And here comes the bitch

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<v Speaker 1>swing in a miss.

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<v Speaker 8>But oh, something's wrong with buck Ewing, the catcher for

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<v Speaker 8>the Grayes.

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<v Speaker 4>He seems to have cut the pitch in the wrong

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<v Speaker 4>way and injured his hand.

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<v Speaker 8>And I'm pretty sure he's about to start screaming.

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<v Speaker 3>Ouch my hand.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm hurt, and I can no longer play baseball today.

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<v Speaker 8>Wuch Well, buckewing inside a game is day. He is

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<v Speaker 8>done playing baseball bart today and possibly tomorrow, in the

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<v Speaker 8>next day, and probably the day after that, if I'm

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<v Speaker 8>being honest the way he said out, who knows when

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<v Speaker 8>Buckle play next?

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<v Speaker 3>Mmmm?

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<v Speaker 4>Niminy. This cotton candy is amazing, Gabe.

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<v Speaker 1>Please, I'm trying to watch the game and buck Ewing

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<v Speaker 1>is out.

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<v Speaker 8>Making eggs even worse than Grays have no backup catcher

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<v Speaker 8>what are they going to do.

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<v Speaker 1>No backup catcher. Well, you can't play baseball without a catcher.

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<v Speaker 1>Everyone knows that. Wait, the coach for the Grays is

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<v Speaker 1>walking toward us.

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<v Speaker 4>That's because there's an eighteen year old sitting in the

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<v Speaker 4>stands right in front of us that has the reputation

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<v Speaker 4>of being one of the best hitters.

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<v Speaker 1>In Pittsburg, Josh Gibson.

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<v Speaker 3>That's right.

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<v Speaker 4>The coach is asking him to play.

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<v Speaker 1>And Josh is saying yes.

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<v Speaker 8>I actually can't believe what I'm saying. The Grays seemed

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<v Speaker 8>to have plucked some kid out of the stands and

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<v Speaker 8>now he's going to play getter and this kid even

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<v Speaker 8>play Gabe.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't believe this is how Josh Gibson got his

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<v Speaker 1>big break.

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<v Speaker 4>Fortune favors the prepared Nimini.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, of course it does. Why do you think I

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<v Speaker 1>bought so many snacks? So did he play well in

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<v Speaker 1>the game.

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<v Speaker 4>Josh had such an incredible game that afterwards the Grays

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<v Speaker 4>took him on as a full time member of the team.

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<v Speaker 8>Josh Gibson is up the bat, and.

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<v Speaker 4>He traveled the country playing baseball.

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<v Speaker 8>And here's the bitch he can actually going coming.

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<v Speaker 6>God, Josh Gipson absolutely fashion Harry Cleveland to that balls

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<v Speaker 6>heads it out of town.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh game, What an incredible start to a career. What

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<v Speaker 1>were Josh's career stats like?

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<v Speaker 4>Well, unfortunately Josh played in a time when black athletes

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<v Speaker 4>didn't have all of their games recorded, like the professional

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<v Speaker 4>white teams of the day.

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<v Speaker 1>What so they don't know how many home runs he hits.

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<v Speaker 4>They have a decent idea. It's believed that he hit

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<v Speaker 4>over eight hundred home runs, and two hundred and twenty

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<v Speaker 4>four of those were against the top Negro league teams.

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<v Speaker 4>That's incredible, truly. But so much of Josh Gibson's story

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<v Speaker 4>as tall tales and legends. You remember that ball that

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<v Speaker 4>he smashed in Cleveland? Yeah, well some say it landed

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<v Speaker 4>in Cincinnati the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow.

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<v Speaker 4>And when history is a little hazy, some of the

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<v Speaker 4>stories burn brighter than others. Like the legend of what

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<v Speaker 4>happened in Yankee Stadium?

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<v Speaker 1>What happened in Yankee Stadium?

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<v Speaker 4>Let's go watch Welcome to nineteen thirty four left field,

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<v Speaker 4>Yankee Stadium.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh, look, Josh is up at the plate.

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<v Speaker 4>Then we're right on time.

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<v Speaker 1>There goes the pitch and Josh tick food, big cut. Oh,

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<v Speaker 1>he got a hold of that.

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<v Speaker 3>He's the black that thing.

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<v Speaker 1>The ball is flying to a left field that's going

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<v Speaker 1>over in the third deck next to the left field

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<v Speaker 1>pull Pennant a hole right in the stadium.

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<v Speaker 3>Good left Christ just the.

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<v Speaker 1>Great Josh Gibson has done it.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 1>He is responsible for the only fair ball ever to

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<v Speaker 1>be head fully out.

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<v Speaker 4>Of Yankee stady O Memony. I had no idea you

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<v Speaker 4>were such a fantastic baseball announcer.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a fast learner, I'll say, you know, Gabe, it's

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<v Speaker 1>awesome that there are all these amazing stories about Josh Gibson,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's frustrating that his stats weren't tracked the same

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<v Speaker 1>way white players stats were.

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<v Speaker 4>It's frustrating, all right, But even without stats, he lives

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<v Speaker 4>on forever in baseball history. That's how good he was.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a neat way to think about it.

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<v Speaker 4>Some people call Josh Gibson the black Babe Ruth. Others

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<v Speaker 4>called Babe Ruth the white Josh Gibson. I love that

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<v Speaker 4>he ended his career as the second highest paid player

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<v Speaker 4>in the Negro League and was eventually inducted into the

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<v Speaker 4>Baseball Hall of Fame.

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<v Speaker 1>And I suppose today we are making a historical record

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<v Speaker 1>of Josh, so one hundred years later he is still

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<v Speaker 1>being honored. His song won't include tons of statistics, obviously,

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<v Speaker 1>but it will be an earth shattering hip hop tune

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<v Speaker 1>that will never.

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<v Speaker 3>Leave you a head.

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<v Speaker 4>Shall we head back then?

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<v Speaker 1>Yes?

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<v Speaker 3>Please?

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<v Speaker 1>Thanks Gabe, I got a run.

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<v Speaker 4>Good luck, Niminy, swing for the fences, I always do.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, listener as we're back, and I am walking to

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<v Speaker 1>the studio like Josh wat from the dugout to the play, excited,

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<v Speaker 1>confident and ready to make history. Oh that was quick.

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<v Speaker 1>Here we are at the studio.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh hy t know?

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<v Speaker 1>Are the musicians ready? Great time to turn this piece

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<v Speaker 1>of history into music featuring the incredible actor, rapper and

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<v Speaker 1>singer Fergie l Philippe.

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<v Speaker 5>Okay, here's a mention that Josh.

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<v Speaker 4>Gibson and no one's running off the map.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a long wall the.

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<v Speaker 4>Date one field, someone's going going.

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<v Speaker 6>And smash slam, Another one gone, bashpam, another one gone

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<v Speaker 6>the cracker of the bat, and another one gone.

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<v Speaker 4>A tip of the cap because.

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<v Speaker 1>Another one gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Wait two twenties ten and six foot.

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<v Speaker 6>One got a bait at the plate for a big

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<v Speaker 6>home run Bob pops off the stick elect The shot

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<v Speaker 6>of a gun is the man is the lecture.

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<v Speaker 4>It is Josh Gibbson.

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<v Speaker 6>He's so dynamic, his hits titanic, his swings like magic.

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<v Speaker 6>See him coming from the dugout of the team might panic.

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<v Speaker 6>The crowd is ecstatic. The end of so tragic. First

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<v Speaker 6>we go back to where it all began. Born to

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<v Speaker 6>Georgia in the twenties, the great, my great Joan took

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<v Speaker 6>his family north into Pittsburgh, then, where Josh trained to

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<v Speaker 6>be an electrician. And that's where he might have stayed

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<v Speaker 6>fixing electronics.

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<v Speaker 1>All his days.

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<v Speaker 4>But he got a job at a place.

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<v Speaker 6>Where the squad and Josh the field, the people were

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<v Speaker 6>on wants to sharecroppers, but now he snare pop ups.

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<v Speaker 6>He operated elevators, now he studied hitting. Hated that could

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<v Speaker 6>be no imitator, because I mean, as an innovator.

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<v Speaker 4>Ain't nobody great. He's the baseball terminator.

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<v Speaker 6>Flash slam, another one gone, bash bam, another one gone.

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<v Speaker 6>The craft good the bat and another one gone a

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<v Speaker 6>tip bud the capta is another one gone, another one gone,

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<v Speaker 6>another one gone, another one gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Here, another one gone.

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<v Speaker 6>It's seventeen years, he had eight hundred home runs three

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<v Speaker 6>sixty average lifetime. That ain't o hum canning on picking

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<v Speaker 6>off the base pathball fun in the Negro League, but

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<v Speaker 6>the same league with no one black. Babe Ruth was

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<v Speaker 6>off the description, but many claimed the babe with the

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<v Speaker 6>white Josh Gibson. So if you have some wisdom, you

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<v Speaker 6>see he's in position to make the majors. But it's

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<v Speaker 6>pig man skin his race. Biggats believe it dictates their

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<v Speaker 6>sale of tickets. They want him to stay in his place.

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<v Speaker 6>Gibson handles the mistakes with grace, always maintaining the smile

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<v Speaker 6>upon his.

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<v Speaker 4>Face, keeps setting records, keeps.

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<v Speaker 6>Getting hits, falls into love, has a few kids place

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<v Speaker 6>around the world, from seed to seed. Still they never

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<v Speaker 6>let the man in the MLB smash slam. Another one gone,

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<v Speaker 6>bash bam, another one gone the craft good the bat,

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<v Speaker 6>and another one gone.

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<v Speaker 1>A tip budd the cat because another.

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<v Speaker 6>One gone, another one gone, another one gone, who another

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<v Speaker 6>one gone.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, another one gone.

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<v Speaker 6>When Josh Gibson was thirty two, he started getting head X,

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<v Speaker 6>got some X raised, then some bad news the next day.

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<v Speaker 6>Kept playing for his hometown team, the Homestead Grace, but

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<v Speaker 6>four years later, Josh Gibbson sadly passed away. There wasn't

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<v Speaker 6>t because of this, he'd be forgotten. But his game

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<v Speaker 6>still ILSs. It's hard, and the Moni grace will say

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<v Speaker 6>his name, top twenty player from back then to this year.

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<v Speaker 6>Even though another one's gone, He's still here, Yeah, still here,

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<v Speaker 6>still here, still here, even though another one's gone. He

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<v Speaker 6>here smash slam, another one gone, bash bam, another one's gone.

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<v Speaker 4>The crack gout him and another one gone.

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<v Speaker 6>A tip budd the cat because another one's gone, another

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<v Speaker 6>one gone, another one gone, another one gone, even though

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<v Speaker 6>another was gone.

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<v Speaker 9>Skilled here.

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<v Speaker 1>We'll be right back after a few words for the

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<v Speaker 1>grown ups. Whoa that someone was amazing. Also, there was

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<v Speaker 1>a part of that tune that reminded me of another

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<v Speaker 1>object in my time capsule.

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<v Speaker 3>Listeners, follow me to.

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<v Speaker 1>The giant fall in my backyard. Ah here we are, Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>do me a favor and dive into my time capsule

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<v Speaker 1>and grab that thing that looks like an old recording. Listeners,

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<v Speaker 1>The last thing I wanted to show you is a

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<v Speaker 1>recording of a speech I gave at my high school graduation.

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<v Speaker 1>Now I'm pretty sure the speech was about history. But

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<v Speaker 1>given that I thought my superhero cape was green, maybe

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<v Speaker 1>I'm way off data. How are we looking fantastic, Tina,

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<v Speaker 1>Let's play a little bit of it and see what

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<v Speaker 1>eighteen year old me has to say. I imagine I

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<v Speaker 1>speak for all of us today when I say that

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<v Speaker 1>these last four years have been a blur. Lots of

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<v Speaker 1>late nights, lots of early mornings, and plenty of looking

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<v Speaker 1>for my glasses, only to find that they were on

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<v Speaker 1>my head the whole time. The truth is so much

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<v Speaker 1>happened so quickly, it is sometimes hard to parse through

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<v Speaker 1>our memories of what happened and what actually happened. As

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<v Speaker 1>the poet An Michael says it, quote, history and memory

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<v Speaker 1>share events. That is, they share time and space. Every

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<v Speaker 1>moment is two moments end.

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<v Speaker 3>Quote.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I dare say that in these four years of

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<v Speaker 1>high school, we created memories and history, and now we

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<v Speaker 1>carry them both proudly as we head off into the world. Ugh.

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<v Speaker 1>I barely remembered saying any of that. Thank you, Tina.

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<v Speaker 1>I guess it was a pretty good speech. Honestly, there

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<v Speaker 1>was a lot more to it than I remembered. A

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<v Speaker 1>lot like Josh Gibson's story when I think about it,

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<v Speaker 1>he was probably a better baseball player than we even realized.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe there's always more to the story than we can

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<v Speaker 1>remember or even write down. Well, I could think about

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<v Speaker 1>that for a long time. Yes, Tina, what is it?

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<v Speaker 3>Okay?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, No, I'm late as usual. Okay, listeners, let's raise

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<v Speaker 1>to the room inside my secret underground bunker where I

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<v Speaker 1>take all my most important video calls, boot up the computer,

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<v Speaker 1>the internets, and here we go. Hi, Bob and Peyton,

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<v Speaker 1>can you introduce yourselfs.

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<v Speaker 9>Hi, my name is Bob Kendrick. I'm president of the

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<v Speaker 9>Negrodics Baseball Museum in Kansas City, Missouri, the world's only

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<v Speaker 9>museum dedicated to preserving and celebrating the rich history of

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<v Speaker 9>African American baseball and its profound impact on the social

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<v Speaker 9>advancement of America.

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<v Speaker 1>Hi.

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<v Speaker 7>I'm Peyton and I'm ten years old. I just love

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<v Speaker 7>baseball all year round.

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<v Speaker 1>Peyton, what were you hoping to ask Bob about Josh Gibson?

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<v Speaker 7>So, mister Kendrick, I'm wondering why did it take so

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<v Speaker 7>long for the Legro League players to get recognized as

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<v Speaker 7>some of the greatest players of all time?

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<v Speaker 9>That is a great question. They toiled, I'd like to

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<v Speaker 9>say in anonymity for so long, and I say that

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<v Speaker 9>because there were a lot of people who saw them play,

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<v Speaker 9>they just happened to be black. Later on, as we

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<v Speaker 9>get into the forties, before Jackie Robinson brace to color,

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<v Speaker 9>there there were a lot of white fans who saw

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<v Speaker 9>them play too. But there are a lot of people

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<v Speaker 9>who still hold to the belief that if it didn't

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<v Speaker 9>happen in the major leagues, then it must not have happened.

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<v Speaker 9>And so we've been working so hard over the last

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<v Speaker 9>thirty years to make sure that people know who these

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<v Speaker 9>ballplayers were and how good they were, and what they

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<v Speaker 9>contributed to the game, but just as important, what they

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<v Speaker 9>contributed to this country.

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<v Speaker 7>Is it true Josh Gibson hit eight hundred home runs

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<v Speaker 7>in the Negro leagues?

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<v Speaker 9>Honestly, Peyton, he probably hit more than that, And again,

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<v Speaker 9>this was against all levels of competition, including the major leaguers.

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<v Speaker 9>I personally believe that Josh Gibson was the greatest hitter

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<v Speaker 9>this game has ever seen.

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<v Speaker 7>I would like to see more minorities play baseball because

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<v Speaker 7>I'm kind of one of the only African American black

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<v Speaker 7>kids on my team.

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<v Speaker 9>We understand that there are just not a lot of

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<v Speaker 9>black kids playing our game anymore. And the interesting thing

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<v Speaker 9>about that, Peyton is baseball used to be our sport,

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<v Speaker 9>which is why we had a Negro League. You had

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<v Speaker 9>a league that was filled with black players and of

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<v Speaker 9>course some brown players because you had Hispanic. But after

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<v Speaker 9>baseball integrates and now Jackie Robinson and other black and

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<v Speaker 9>brown stars leave the Negro League to go into Major

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<v Speaker 9>League Baseball, that is what ultimately put the Negro leagues

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<v Speaker 9>out of business. And then over time there became kind

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<v Speaker 9>of this separation, so to speak, from the African American

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<v Speaker 9>community and the game of baseball. It became very expensive

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<v Speaker 9>to play our sport. All the equipment is expensive, the

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<v Speaker 9>league fees are expensive. Now you'll be playing all these

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<v Speaker 9>travel teams and all of this kind of stuff where

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<v Speaker 9>a lot of kids, particularly those kids who are in

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<v Speaker 9>the urban court, they can't afford to play anymore. And

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<v Speaker 9>so we're working hard with Major League Baseball to do

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<v Speaker 9>everything we can to make sure that urban kids understand

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<v Speaker 9>their place in this game. And so when you walk

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<v Speaker 9>through the Negro League's Baseball museum, what did you see?

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<v Speaker 9>You see people who look just like you, who played

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<v Speaker 9>this game, and they played it as well as anyone

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<v Speaker 9>ever played this game. It's important that you see yourself

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<v Speaker 9>in this game.

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<v Speaker 7>Thank you, mister Kendrick for sharing all those great stories

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<v Speaker 7>with me.

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<v Speaker 9>Payton was my pleasure and I've enjoyed hanging out with

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<v Speaker 9>you today.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Thank you both for this great conversation. Listeners, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for joining in today and witnessing the greatness of Josh

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<v Speaker 1>Gibson with me. Thanks so much to today's guests Bob Kendrick,

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<v Speaker 1>Fergie Philippe, and Pigton. Remember, parents and teachers. You can

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<v Speaker 1>next week with another episode, another song, and another he route.

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<v Speaker 1>But for now, there are a few huge holes in

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<v Speaker 1>the backyard of my top secret bunker that I need

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<v Speaker 1>to go fill in. Until next time, Remember to make history,

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<v Speaker 1>you gotta make some noise.

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<v Speaker 3>Bye.

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<v Speaker 8>is Duke Doyle. Our historians are Gabe Pacheco and Lee Polus.

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<v Speaker 8>Room in New York City.

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<v Speaker 4>Song mastering by Josh Hahn.

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<v Speaker 8>Theme song by Dan Foster and Eric Gerson and produced

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<v Speaker 8>by Eric Erson. Production coordination by Isabelle Riccio, Production management

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<v Speaker 8>by Naomi Shaw. Episode artwork by Camilla Franklin. This episode

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<v Speaker 8>was written by Duke Doyle. The song Josh Gibson was

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<v Speaker 8>written by Dan Foster and produced by Eric Erson. Vocal

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<v Speaker 8>direction by Jack Mitchell special gut Spergie l Philippe, Bob

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<v Speaker 8>Kendrick and kid interviewer Peyton. This episode features performances by

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<v Speaker 8>Nick Canalis, Peter McNerney, Lee Overtree and Gabe Pachuco. Special

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<v Speaker 8>thanks to alex Vespasad