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Speaker 5: It is now week fifteen of the NFL season as
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Speaker 1: Coming up on Sunday at noon.
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Speaker 5: whole cast and crew ready for you today to rock Isaiah,
Speaker 5: I thought.
Speaker 1: You were back tomorrow.
Speaker 6: A lot of rock.
Speaker 7: Long Yeah, you know, Kyle's in and out man.
Speaker 1: One day trip maybe one day trip thisay. Next time
Speaker 1: I saw your day in the life on your story,
Speaker 1: it was nice.
Speaker 7: Try to do that from time to time.
Speaker 4: You know, just how your chase checks bro boy man listen,
Speaker 4: y'all three all three got salary.
Speaker 7: I gotta get the contract, like you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: I'm all about it, man, that's I love that you.
Speaker 7: No, it was a good time. Man.
Speaker 4: I wish I could have stayed and watched the game
Speaker 4: in person, but you know, duty call, so I was
Speaker 4: able to do the pregame show to carry my responsibilities
Speaker 4: with the cowboys.
Speaker 7: Hopped on.
Speaker 4: The plane went down and it was a short night.
Speaker 4: It was a very short night. But got up and
Speaker 4: did TV and now I'm back with.
Speaker 7: My fellows there.
Speaker 1: They didn't want to watch this, man, I did.
Speaker 7: I watched all of it, watched every every minute you.
Speaker 1: Watch it on the plane, got that Wi Fi and almost.
Speaker 4: Almost took out a couple of flight attendants because my
Speaker 4: body language at the time. I had the bones, fossil
Speaker 4: you know, arms out, hands overhead, I had all that
Speaker 4: stuff going on, and I definitely almost hit the person
Speaker 4: that was sitting next to me who was sleep sound asleep.
Speaker 4: And yeah, I had all the stuff, all this stuff
Speaker 4: I was I was watching it, Yeah, all the things
Speaker 4: like legit, if there was a hidden camera on me,
Speaker 4: I wish there was because you guys would have seen like.
Speaker 7: I was doing all of it on the plane.
Speaker 1: Were you in? Were you and coach? Were you in
Speaker 1: first class?
Speaker 7: They take care of me. Okay, I did not pay.
Speaker 1: It was a gift for those that don't remember. We've
Speaker 1: got history when it comes to that.
Speaker 8: That's why they caught Isaiah first first class stand back.
Speaker 8: So he's not a stand by.
Speaker 1: You're not a stand by. First on first off.
Speaker 5: Jones Es leg room stand back. So what did you
Speaker 5: think of the Special team's miss cue?
Speaker 4: I mean, it's just that's not I mean, that's, first
Speaker 4: of all, amazing call by bones fossil yep.
Speaker 1: Okay, we talked about that amazing execution.
Speaker 4: By the blocking portion that the guys that are on
Speaker 4: the line of scream issues and responsible for creating the
Speaker 4: mismatches and a confusion a Nick Vigil doing a great
Speaker 4: job of getting both hands down, getting it, getting it blocked,
Speaker 4: avoiding the kicker, avoiding the punter in the process. As
Speaker 4: a straight veteran, you don't see that out of young
Speaker 4: guys a lot of times. And then you just have
Speaker 4: to be smart. You just have to be smart. I
Speaker 4: don't like pointing out guys, but these are conversations that
Speaker 4: you have if anybody who's questioning Bones Fossil's decision. If
Speaker 4: anybody's questioning you know whether or not Bones Fossil teaches
Speaker 4: his guys. Every person who is a specialist understands that
Speaker 4: once you block a punt, unless that thing is bouncing
Speaker 4: right in front of you and you are on the
Speaker 4: opposing side, right by the punter and you can pick it.
Speaker 7: Up and scoop and score, you get the heck away.
Speaker 7: It's called Peter Peter.
Speaker 4: I don't know whether where originated, but as soon as
Speaker 4: you hear that, soon as you hear that, you look
Speaker 4: around you find the ball.
Speaker 7: It is Peter, Peter, Peter, Peter, get the heck away.
Speaker 4: Run to the dog dog on second level of AT
Speaker 4: and T Stadium, Go sit down next to somebody, grab
Speaker 4: a little bit the popcorn, take a little sippy sip,
Speaker 4: and watch the ball come to a halt, and then
Speaker 4: watch your offense go back out there and get the
Speaker 4: ball and go win the ball game. That's how you
Speaker 4: go about your business. So it was great up until
Speaker 4: that point. And it's unfortunate because instinctively, instinctively, you want
Speaker 4: to be the one to grab the ball and go
Speaker 4: do something with it. That's instinct. That's just your competitive nature. Now,
Speaker 4: So I don't fault anybody for instinctively wanting to go
Speaker 4: make a play. The logic has to kick in correct.
Speaker 7: The coaching has to coaching has to come in.
Speaker 4: There has to be the little bones fossil sitting on
Speaker 4: your shoulder, throwing his arms up in the air, saying, Peter, Peter, Peter,
Speaker 4: get the heck away, because it's literally natural for you
Speaker 4: to go to the ball. But you will see it,
Speaker 4: you guys, go look at all the punts, all the
Speaker 4: blocks from this year, and I guarantee you you will
Speaker 4: see people in distinctually go to the ball and then
Speaker 4: they pulled back. Yeah, it's natural. So I'm not faulting
Speaker 4: the natural instinct. I am faulting the disregard of the coach,
Speaker 4: coaching wise element that should have been coming through your
Speaker 4: head at that point in time to get the heck away.
Speaker 7: And because of that, it's.
Speaker 4: Unfortunate, but that particular play ended up being a thing
Speaker 4: that lost you the game. And there was accumulation of
Speaker 4: other plays that could have taken place throughout the game.
Speaker 4: Could have done things better, could have executed better, could
Speaker 4: have had less penalties, all the things that contribute to
Speaker 4: a loss, but in that moment, that was too big
Speaker 4: of a moment.
Speaker 7: To not be fully aware of what the severity of
Speaker 7: that situation was.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And we talked a little bit about it yesterday about
Speaker 5: Emonio will Warria and his Yeah, what his thought process
Speaker 5: was going into it. And one of our callers yesterday
Speaker 5: talking Tuesday, said that he felt.
Speaker 1: Like it was a selfish move.
Speaker 5: I don't think he used the word selfish, but he
Speaker 5: said it was a move where it's like you can't
Speaker 5: be the hero in that moment and try and take
Speaker 5: it and do something. He was falling on top of
Speaker 5: the ball, in my opinion, So I think it's more
Speaker 5: so what you're talking about.
Speaker 1: It's instinct. It's sea ball, get ball, let me recover it.
Speaker 1: He's not thinking I'm going to pick this up and
Speaker 1: go take it.
Speaker 4: This is not the first time we've seen it, Yeah,
Speaker 4: And I want people to remember and remember that. And
Speaker 4: it's the first time you've seen it in special teams.
Speaker 4: How many times have we seen o Liman this year try.
Speaker 7: To pick the ball up?
Speaker 4: Yet it's twice right playing hero ball. He's still in
Speaker 4: guiding right both of them.
Speaker 7: This year.
Speaker 4: People forget this right, let me help you guys recollect. Okay,
Speaker 4: those guys are instinctually you're supposed to fall on the ball.
Speaker 7: Up, I take that back.
Speaker 4: Instinctally they want to get the get the run, right, Logically,
Speaker 4: they're supposed to fall on the ball.
Speaker 7: Remember who you are, Remember what your position is.
Speaker 1: Fall on the ball.
Speaker 7: The probability of you scooping and scoring is probably very low.
Speaker 7: So fall on the ball. But we've seen instincts say.
Speaker 1: What get the ball and run.
Speaker 8: I mean, look at just a couple of weeks ago
Speaker 8: in Washington, one Y Thomas. He picks up that that
Speaker 8: onside kick and takes the coach for such.
Speaker 7: In that moment, you fall on and you fall on
Speaker 7: the ball, situation instinct says I'm going to make a play. Yeah, right, and.
Speaker 1: You're not.
Speaker 4: You don't think about all the you don't think about
Speaker 4: all the what ifs, right, because understand this, And that's
Speaker 4: why I said I don't.
Speaker 7: I don't.
Speaker 4: I don't want to come out too hard on him
Speaker 4: because he knows right, trust me, he's beating the crap
Speaker 4: out of himself right now. Mentally, if anything, he needs
Speaker 4: support at this time the game is yeah, I'm yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: trust me stepping in front of it.
Speaker 1: And yeah.
Speaker 4: The thing is people need to understand when you are
Speaker 4: the one responsible for losing the game for your team,
Speaker 4: you need all the support in the world because you
Speaker 4: people aren't talking to you.
Speaker 7: You can feel the energy.
Speaker 4: You already know, right you're running through that same play
Speaker 4: thousands of times in your head.
Speaker 7: What I should have done differently, what could have done better?
Speaker 9: What?
Speaker 4: Why did I do that? I don't trust me. He
Speaker 4: is beating himself up, so we don't need to beat
Speaker 4: him up, but we need. But they're the coaching element
Speaker 4: needs to be continually ran over because I know it's
Speaker 4: been communicated, right, I know it's been communicated.
Speaker 7: And for that to have happened at that moment just
Speaker 7: is just really unfortunate.
Speaker 1: You don't react that way as a team.
Speaker 5: I mean the sideline reacting the way that they did,
Speaker 5: the Nick vigil from.
Speaker 1: Halfway across the field with his hands over his head.
Speaker 1: You don't react that way if it had not been communicated.
Speaker 5: If if and that's where a lot of people might say, well,
Speaker 5: why didn't they coach them up better?
Speaker 1: They did? These guys know the fundamentals of all of that.
Speaker 4: Can I give you an example, a really quick example.
Speaker 4: So we were playing I think it was a Monday
Speaker 4: night game maybe against Philadelphia back in the day, and
Speaker 4: I was a kick returner and it was at the
Speaker 4: time it was myself and it was Jones, Felix Jones
Speaker 4: goes back to returning kicks, and they didn't want to
Speaker 4: kick me the ball. I had had maybe a handful
Speaker 4: of good returns leading up to that game. So we
Speaker 4: ended up doing this thing where we were interchange and
Speaker 4: we would switch right based upon the approach of David Akers.
Speaker 7: Trying to try to force their hands.
Speaker 4: So David I ended up declaring myself and David Ackers
Speaker 4: kicked me a knuckleball, a freaking knuckle Now this thing
Speaker 4: is coming at you, you know, sixty yards away, and
Speaker 4: it's freaking going like this, right, anybody ever seen a
Speaker 4: knuckleball before. It's kind of crazy. He made it happen
Speaker 4: with a football. So the ball's coming at me right,
Speaker 4: I step outside of the en zone. I come to
Speaker 4: the ball and it dives out it literally right out right,
Speaker 4: as right as I were grabbing it, freaking curve broke.
Speaker 4: It was nasty twelve six, freaking nasty six. So it
Speaker 4: hits my hand and goes in the end zone. Instinctually,
Speaker 4: what do you do?
Speaker 1: Pick up?
Speaker 7: Picking up? I touched the ball. I touched the ball
Speaker 7: outside the end zone. It's hot, it's hot. I gotta
Speaker 7: get it, right, I gotta get it. I gotta get it.
Speaker 4: I gotta hurry up. I go back in the zone,
Speaker 4: grab the ball. I gotta come out. I gotta try
Speaker 4: to make something happen. Logically, right, I didn't understand this
Speaker 4: at the time. Right, coach had went over it back
Speaker 4: in training camp. Right, But logically I should have taken
Speaker 4: the knee because the momentum of the ball carried into
Speaker 4: the end zone. But instinctively, I went back, grabbed the ball,
Speaker 4: and I came back out in I got tackled, like
Speaker 4: on the two yard line. Next play, Tony Romo gets
Speaker 4: stripped sack for a touchdown. M butterfly fit. I was
Speaker 4: beating the craw out of myself. I was beating myself down, right,
Speaker 4: because I was the one responsible for that. Right, But
Speaker 4: instincts kicked in and all logic went out the window
Speaker 4: because you go into panic mode, right, right you went.
Speaker 7: I went to panic mode.
Speaker 4: I'm like, so to this day, I run this play
Speaker 4: over and over and over, so understand what he's going through.
Speaker 7: And I feel him, right, I feel him.
Speaker 4: It's it's just one of those things and you just
Speaker 4: hope that when you have those moments that they don't
Speaker 4: have these.
Speaker 7: Results, and unfortunately this decision did.
Speaker 5: Now that's a great example, really is, and there are
Speaker 5: very few people that understand it the way that people
Speaker 5: would if you've gone through that, you're.
Speaker 10: Talking about it all these years later.
Speaker 7: Yeah, imagine what year this bro, That was my second
Speaker 7: year in the league. Old at and T Stadium, I mean.
Speaker 4: Texas Texas Stadium. You know, the roof open at all time.
Speaker 4: I mean it's bro and I mean that was a
Speaker 4: big time. Philly was in town. I mean it was
Speaker 4: you know, it was old school Philly. Brian Dawkins Philly
Speaker 4: all said it was Monday night too.
Speaker 7: I think it was Monday night games. I mean everybody
Speaker 7: their mom was watching Monday night. Sunday night was one
Speaker 7: of the two.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was crazy, very similar, very similar.
Speaker 4: And as a return touchdown, everybody's watching who you there
Speaker 4: was nowhere else for anybody to look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you and the ball. Yeah that's it man. That Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's tough.
Speaker 5: But yeah, we talked about it, coaching moments, learning moments.
Speaker 5: You can't reverse it. You can't You're going to replay
Speaker 5: it forever, but you can't change it, and you kind.
Speaker 8: Of have to give it up for AO in earlier
Speaker 8: moments this season. I mean, he was the one to
Speaker 8: ice the Giants win for us when he picked off
Speaker 8: Daniel Jones in the last in the final seconds of
Speaker 8: the game. He's had some really good plays. It's not
Speaker 8: like this guys is not worth playing on the field.
Speaker 5: It was on the same wavelength, at least for me
Speaker 5: as a guy like Josh Butler.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he was Josh Butler this season before Josh Butler
Speaker 4: then became Josh correct.
Speaker 1: Correct, So didn't anticipate it. You pick him up off
Speaker 1: of the street as a free agent.
Speaker 5: He comes in and contributes, and that's all you ask
Speaker 5: out of those guys like that. And he's making an
Speaker 5: effort play, trying to do what he can. But like
Speaker 5: you said, I think it's the battle between logic and instincts.
Speaker 5: That's what you just outlined, and in this point, instincts
Speaker 5: won out. He's trying to see ball, getball, hop on
Speaker 5: top of it, secure possession because he doesn't know what
Speaker 5: happened outside of that, you gotta be you gotta be
Speaker 5: better about it.
Speaker 1: And that's that's the only thing you can learn.
Speaker 7: That's called football.
Speaker 11: Man.
Speaker 4: The highest of the highs, the lowest of the lowes,
Speaker 4: and you see it, and you see it often. Obviously
Speaker 4: it's not always as highlighted as much as this one was.
Speaker 4: But we see holding calls all the timers like, come on, man,
Speaker 4: you gotta let him go. Well, the dog and me
Speaker 4: says no, run this dude into the ground. The logic says, hey,
Speaker 4: once he gets leverage on me, I gotta let him go, right. So,
Speaker 4: I mean, you see it all the time. It just
Speaker 4: doesn't get as much attention as it One of the
Speaker 4: main things is and you can attest to this, Isaiah,
Speaker 4: definitely as a form of pro player, being a professional
Speaker 4: NFL or being a professional, because that's done it being
Speaker 4: a professional player in any sport, but we're talking about
Speaker 4: the NFL. You have to balance the preparation and the
Speaker 4: code that's been instilled in you versus your fight or
Speaker 4: flight in the moment. And that's all it ever is
Speaker 4: when any given and that's what.
Speaker 7: Holding call is.
Speaker 4: It's mono versus you know, man, man versus man, you
Speaker 4: want to beat me, I don't want to beat you.
Speaker 7: So in that phone booth, letting you go in that
Speaker 7: phone booth.
Speaker 4: You know there's a play going on, but it's you
Speaker 4: versus this guy, and it might result in a holding call.
Speaker 7: You might get a little too aggressive, you might go
Speaker 7: full block off. Man, I'm not going to concede that
Speaker 7: you beat me in the middle of So those types
Speaker 7: of situations, it's situational for yeah, pretty much.
Speaker 4: That is when it's most important, which is why some
Speaker 4: coaches and again I don't know what happens on that
Speaker 4: side of the building, but I know it. Bones foss
Speaker 4: was one of the most respected coaches in the league.
Speaker 4: And I think even if I was reading up, mister
Speaker 4: Jones even went in there and questioned bones.
Speaker 1: Fossils what was the play to me?
Speaker 4: And he came. When I came back around, I was like,
Speaker 4: I don't fault him. Great execution, All the stuff is right.
Speaker 4: That's why some just spends so much time on situational football.
Speaker 4: And I go back to a lot of times people
Speaker 4: hate it. Yeah, I know people hate when I go
Speaker 4: back and talk about my time in New England, but
Speaker 4: that was the time where where there was an emphasis
Speaker 4: on situational football. We spent hours every day walking through
Speaker 4: situational football. Coach Belichick will bring up situations from the
Speaker 4: Dog on seventies film out that there was a literal film,
Speaker 4: you know what I'm saying, not digital but actual film,
Speaker 4: and we would go over here and back in this game.
Speaker 4: You know, this was the situation, and this we're going
Speaker 4: to go over in practice today because when those moments
Speaker 4: present themselves, that's the first thing that comes in your head.
Speaker 4: Ah right, and it tries it. And they do that
Speaker 4: to try to limit the instinctual response because you're a competitor.
Speaker 4: You are a competitor, and the coaches understand that as
Speaker 4: a competitor, it is naturally and ordainly in you to
Speaker 4: react the way that has made you a professional. So
Speaker 4: I have to have to literally teach you so much
Speaker 4: situational ball that it overthrows your instincts which.
Speaker 7: Have made you a professional athlete.
Speaker 5: That's extremely insightful from the future coach of the University
Speaker 5: of North Carolina, Tar Hills.
Speaker 7: And his son.
Speaker 5: Yeah, let's get into some news and notes quickly before
Speaker 5: we get into some other previews this week.
Speaker 4: Indeed, so We're still waiting to hear an update on
Speaker 4: Cooper BB as far as the concussion is concerned. But
Speaker 4: like I said yesterday, short week going into Carolina, I
Speaker 4: personally am not penciling him in for this game. I
Speaker 4: think the starting lineup, we'll see what left tackle looks
Speaker 4: like with Tyler Gotton, but Tyler Guyton Slash, Chumdidoga and
Speaker 4: then Tyler Smith brought Hoffman, TJ. Bass and Terrence Teel.
Speaker 4: I think that's give or take your starting five or
Speaker 4: six rotation there. We'll see if he can clear protocol
Speaker 4: in time, but I'm not confident that he can. And Overshown,
Speaker 4: we got the confirmation after yesterday's episode that Overshown.
Speaker 7: Has torn a c l M c l P CL.
Speaker 4: So that's that's the devastating news is that he will
Speaker 4: as we expected, he's gonna have to have surgery. Yep,
Speaker 4: his season is over, but there is a solid likelihood
Speaker 4: that we may not see him on the field next year,
Speaker 4: next season or next year because calendar year twenty twenty shot.
Speaker 7: Maybe Cowboys make a playoff run of some sort.
Speaker 4: When you see him in January of twenty twenty six,
Speaker 4: which is still technically next season, but it's a long journey.
Speaker 7: Don't pencil him in for that. Just let him get
Speaker 7: his knee together. Heel up.
Speaker 4: Now that's the bad news. That's dark cloud over twenty
Speaker 4: twenty five for him. Before you go on like prayer,
Speaker 4: I was gonna keep to him, Go ahead. I'm sorry. Sorry,
Speaker 4: prayers up to demo. And if anybody questions how tough
Speaker 4: some of these dudes are, this dude got.
Speaker 7: Up and it was assisted, but walked off the field.
Speaker 4: It's preseason torn ACL walked walked off, walked off.
Speaker 5: It was a torn ACL and MCL last year in
Speaker 5: his left knick, Yeah, that was left and then this
Speaker 5: is PCLC and the right knee.
Speaker 1: So this is a worst This is the trifecta. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this is the worst injury he's had throughout his career.
Speaker 4: However, opposite need And yet I know I was gonna say,
Speaker 4: and yet it's not the worst case scenario.
Speaker 7: Meniscus, no miniscus damage, it's good. No nerve damage, that's good.
Speaker 1: So it's really good.
Speaker 4: With no nerve damage, this is much less. I know
Speaker 4: a lot of fans were wondering if this is career
Speaker 4: threatening With no nerve damage.
Speaker 7: He'll be back he's a dog. He'll be back. And
Speaker 7: I was citing this reference yesterday on Twitter, Nick Chubb.
Speaker 4: Okay, Nick Chubb, and people like, well, Nick Chubb doesn't
Speaker 4: look like the prime Nick Chubb.
Speaker 7: But first of all, he's only been back on the right,
Speaker 7: So there's that. But keep in mind.
Speaker 4: Who's giving you the reference, right, So Uga, I'm a
Speaker 4: Georgia guy everybody knows in fit say that because in
Speaker 4: twenty fifteen, where was Nick Chubb? He was in Athens
Speaker 4: with my dogs. Twenty fifteen he suffered his first devastating
Speaker 4: the injury. Questions about what he be able to get
Speaker 4: back to peak form at the NFL level, Should people
Speaker 4: use a high pick on him, whatever the case may be,
Speaker 4: Cleveland rounds, he was a high pig. Guess what they get?
Speaker 4: They get an all pro player. He turns all Pro
Speaker 4: after that devastating the injury. So I say that to
Speaker 4: say for that to a guy like the Mario and Overshown,
Speaker 4: who much like Nick Chubb we're talking about. Certain guys
Speaker 4: are just different physically, right. I am one hundred percent
Speaker 4: confident that, barring some type of horrendous set back knock
Speaker 4: on wood, that it doesn't happen Marion Overshown will be
Speaker 4: back in a Cowboys uniform. I believe that he will
Speaker 4: get back to peak peak form. Give him a little
Speaker 4: bit of grace when he gets back as far as
Speaker 4: timeline is.
Speaker 7: Concerned, but he'll be back.
Speaker 4: His mental fortitude is unmatched, his faith is rock solid,
Speaker 4: and as far as work ethic is concerned, you're hard
Speaker 4: pressed to find a guy who will attack this rehab
Speaker 4: as hard as he will. So some obviously bad news,
Speaker 4: but good news. No nerve damage, no miniscus damage. He
Speaker 4: just needs to get the three ligaments repaired surgically and
Speaker 4: get to work, and he will and he will.
Speaker 1: Yeah, good news. There any other news and notes.
Speaker 7: Cooper Rush is going to start again.
Speaker 4: He's been officially named the starter against the Carolina Panthers,
Speaker 4: and honestly, in listening to Mike McCarthy and listening to
Speaker 4: Jerry Jones on one A five three of the Fan,
Speaker 4: it doesn't sound like the Cowboys are going to play
Speaker 4: the Tree Lance card at starter until slash unless they're
Speaker 4: mathematically eliminated, so Panthers might do him a favor.
Speaker 7: We will see.
Speaker 4: Just reminder, both Cooper Rush and Trey Lance around the
Speaker 4: last year their contract that they're both free agents, and
Speaker 4: Trey Lance is actually a higher cap hit this year,
Speaker 4: he's being paid more than Yeah's pay. He's being paid
Speaker 4: the same amounts Coop Rushes the entire contract. That's correct, million,
Speaker 4: just over five point just over rushes two year contract
Speaker 4: is what Trey Lance's receiving salary this year. Yeah, you
Speaker 4: also didn't give up a pick to a choir coople Rush,
Speaker 4: which is even more questioning as there myself.
Speaker 1: Panthers, the Panthers, the Panthers a Wednesday.
Speaker 5: So we're gonna preview the Cowboys defense in their matchup
Speaker 5: with Bryce Young.
Speaker 1: And the Panthers when we come back with more talking
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Speaker 5: Cowboys defensive preview against Bryce Young in the Carolina.
Speaker 1: Panthers Not as easy as people think.
Speaker 5: Yeah, Josh, when you look at this matchup, I know
Speaker 5: you watch the film and you're looking at Bryce Young,
Speaker 5: who all of a sudden looks like a capable franchise quarterback.
Speaker 3: He does.
Speaker 5: And then you've got some weapons around him that are
Speaker 5: playing pretty decent after being banged up at different.
Speaker 7: Points this year.
Speaker 8: Absolutely, well, you look at last week and they almost
Speaker 8: they almost got him. Man, they almost got the Philadelphia
Speaker 8: They will call you almost. I know, I know they
Speaker 8: almost got a Bryce Young. He ranks fourth in red
Speaker 8: zone past percentage. Do you guys know that that's pretty
Speaker 8: darn good for a team that started very terribly this week?
Speaker 7: At fourth.
Speaker 8: Guy who was benched out of thirty two he drinks fourth?
Speaker 8: And uh, do you guys know that the Dallas defense
Speaker 8: is ranked last and red zone touchdown percentage?
Speaker 1: I don't like what you're saying.
Speaker 7: Not good for us.
Speaker 10: However, however, guys, they got a running back. His name
Speaker 10: is Chuba Hubbard. How about this dude is also.
Speaker 7: Very very good.
Speaker 1: He's almos He's a former cowboy, Homa State cow State cowboy.
Speaker 1: What are you talking? I just what do you want?
Speaker 1: Everybody that's lessening probably was like you idiots.
Speaker 7: Oh, I mean I only consider him good if he
Speaker 7: had a thousand yards.
Speaker 10: Yeah, he does have a thousand yards.
Speaker 8: He was on fifteen attempts, eight touchdowns. Already, great vision,
Speaker 8: his patient, he finished runs. He's a north and south guy.
Speaker 1: With deceptive speed.
Speaker 10: Dude, I am not looking forward to seeing too.
Speaker 7: But they lost his backup though they didn't really back up.
Speaker 10: But this guy can carry the rock and he can
Speaker 10: carry it a lot.
Speaker 7: So here's where I am on that.
Speaker 4: So first of all, yes, it goes without saying to
Speaker 4: you with Hubbard, he can, he can make some waves.
Speaker 4: When the Cowboys went to Bank of America Stadium last
Speaker 4: year and they started kind of playing with their food
Speaker 4: food so to speak, and that Cowboys team you.
Speaker 7: Could use that term onre not this Cowboys now different.
Speaker 4: They were playing with their food and they found out,
Speaker 4: they almost found out the hard way like you don't
Speaker 4: do that. Yeah, yeah, I almost went there, faf f afo,
Speaker 4: faffel tube. Hubbard was actually, you know, tearing off some
Speaker 4: some yardage against him last year. So they're familiar with
Speaker 4: what hubbrid can do.
Speaker 10: And it's our defense is as good as they were
Speaker 10: last year.
Speaker 14: Right.
Speaker 4: No, But but I will say this, which great segue.
Speaker 4: The run defense has definitely taken steps forward.
Speaker 1: It has taken steps in the right.
Speaker 4: They shut down the rushing attack completely of the Cincinnati Bengals.
Speaker 4: And I know people say, well, you know, the Bengals
Speaker 4: they wanted to kind of throw the ball, not as
Speaker 4: much as the Cowboys were forcing them to throw the ball.
Speaker 4: Over the course of the first three and a half quarters,
Speaker 4: they really put the Bengals in a bind and made
Speaker 4: them one dimensional. But then the problem once they made
Speaker 4: them one dimensional, and Kyle will not because we talked
Speaker 4: about this, Isaiah, we talked about this, Josh, we talked
Speaker 4: about this.
Speaker 7: It was more than.
Speaker 4: Simply pressuring Joe Burrow and knocking him off the spot,
Speaker 4: because he can reset. You needed to get hands on
Speaker 4: him and take him down. So the run defense was there,
Speaker 4: the pressure was there. They just couldn't get the sacks.
Speaker 4: I say that to say this run defense might actually
Speaker 4: be I just I just remember Demo was going so
Speaker 4: the run defense prior to losing the Marveyonovshow, I could
Speaker 4: argue was better than last year's run defense, whereas the
Speaker 4: secondary play was better last year than this year. But
Speaker 4: now that it just hit me again that Demo's out
Speaker 4: on the field, now you're gonna have some real questions
Speaker 4: about you know, is that run defense is going to
Speaker 4: take a step back or now.
Speaker 8: But I think in the later half of the last
Speaker 8: game you did see enough from the mad to give
Speaker 8: you a chance in that aspect.
Speaker 1: Not He's not Demo.
Speaker 8: There's no other player on this defense than is Demo.
Speaker 8: But I think you have a chance, like you said,
Speaker 8: to continue the progress that the run defenses have so
Speaker 8: far this season over the last second half of the.
Speaker 4: Day, they're gonna have to play Demon. They're going to
Speaker 4: have to play But it can't be he's being scratched for. Yeah, anyways,
Speaker 4: the Damon last time he was on the field, he
Speaker 4: was impactful.
Speaker 7: Yeah, he was impactful. So yes, you're gonna miss Demo.
Speaker 5: Only he has a ton of experience too. Now at
Speaker 5: this point in his career. He has a bunch of
Speaker 5: snaps for this early on. So yeah, I feel confident
Speaker 5: with the mont Clark step again, is he de marve
Speaker 5: and over nobody?
Speaker 7: Nobody?
Speaker 11: Uh?
Speaker 5: And And I think you're right, Marius leaf Out is
Speaker 5: that guy who's gonna have to step up in that?
Speaker 10: And he was giving you a lot. I mean he
Speaker 10: sacked Joe Burrow.
Speaker 1: My person did not.
Speaker 4: He's at critical junction. He's said he did that. That
Speaker 4: would have helped give you that game if what happened
Speaker 4: after didn't happen.
Speaker 8: If there's any silver lining to the demo injury, it
Speaker 8: is the fact that you're going to see on the
Speaker 8: field more and he will have the chances.
Speaker 7: He will have those chances. Who is the most dangerous
Speaker 7: weapon on this on the Carolina Panthers.
Speaker 5: Offense outside of Young or including including outside of right
Speaker 5: now right now, I think it's Bryce Young, But I
Speaker 5: would throw at him Feeling into the mix too.
Speaker 1: He was really good last week. Yeah, yeah, he was.
Speaker 1: He was big last week.
Speaker 5: He was part of the reason why they gave Philadelphia fits.
Speaker 5: Philadelphia couldn't cover him.
Speaker 4: I'm going I'm gonna go with Bryce because if Bryce
Speaker 4: is confidence isn't where it is right now, then feeling
Speaker 4: is not effect agreed completely.
Speaker 1: I'm starting Cuba.
Speaker 7: You're going Tuba. I'm going Tuba. I'm going with David knalism.
Speaker 1: Old the coach a little little coaching A yeah, well curveball.
Speaker 7: Yeah he's a dude. Yeah he's a dude.
Speaker 1: I know first, he like his scheme.
Speaker 4: He was my assistant coach when I was in a
Speaker 4: Seattle briefly, and I worked with him thoroughly.
Speaker 5: I worked with him every very adamant when before he
Speaker 5: was he was ever going all the way back to
Speaker 5: before the off season happened and Isaiah was looking at
Speaker 5: these guys that are possible coaching candidates. He said, wherever
Speaker 5: Canalis ends up? Forgot about this entirely. You said it
Speaker 5: was going to be a huge thing. And what you
Speaker 5: said you needed a running back and you needed a young.
Speaker 1: Quarterback to coach up sipts. Well, there you go. You
Speaker 1: got two guys.
Speaker 7: He's got freaking dude.
Speaker 4: You will talking about somebody who was passionate almost as
Speaker 4: good as what he does.
Speaker 7: My world traveling helped me out. I was like, you're
Speaker 7: gonna go here, here, here, here's gonna be off later.
Speaker 4: David Kanalis is uh a student of the game, like
Speaker 4: a genuine student in a game.
Speaker 7: He loves the.
Speaker 4: Game of football. He he every aspect of it. He
Speaker 4: likes creating concepts. He's just he's a dog. And when
Speaker 4: I'm watching the film with the Panthers, i can't help
Speaker 4: I know what's about to play the Cowboys, but I
Speaker 4: can't help but smile and just laugh because I'm like,
Speaker 4: these concepts.
Speaker 7: That he's creating are absolutely insane.
Speaker 4: And once Bryce Young is throwing the ball on time,
Speaker 4: and once he has receivers that can make plays all,
Speaker 4: give me the example.
Speaker 1: Give me an example of one of these concepts.
Speaker 8: Look at how openly get was in that that touchdown
Speaker 8: a lot of guys would be touchdown, would be game
Speaker 8: winning touchdown. Right, Yeah, look at that play design and
Speaker 8: tell me that. I mean, like you said, the evidence
Speaker 8: is there.
Speaker 1: You need a savior.
Speaker 4: Look at of the draft to every almost every play
Speaker 4: play almost every First of all, there's a lot of motion, right,
Speaker 4: so there's a lot of coverage declarations, deck declarers, a
Speaker 4: lot of coverage declarations, right, so they make you declare
Speaker 4: what your coverage is via motion. That's the first thing
Speaker 4: that he does so as you guys go back and
Speaker 4: watch film of Carolina. Look how often guys are in motion.
Speaker 4: Look at the guys that are in motion. Right, Look
Speaker 4: exactly how the defense has to adjust and the information
Speaker 4: that that conveys to Bryce Young right, I don't care,
Speaker 4: young quarterback, old quarterback. It gives you a ton of
Speaker 4: information when you start sending guys in motion, the leverage
Speaker 4: that they were able to create by going in these motions.
Speaker 7: Right, where are these guys going?
Speaker 4: Are they inserting or are they going outside of the
Speaker 4: receivers that are lined up in the slot. And then
Speaker 4: typically there's always gonna be somebody at all three levels.
Speaker 4: These are not routes that are called. These aren't concepts
Speaker 4: that are that are called simply because okay, we need
Speaker 4: to get seven yards. Like they have somebody for seven yards,
Speaker 4: they have somebody for fourteen yards. They have somebody for
Speaker 4: the home run shot. Almost on every play, you can
Speaker 4: go back and look and see there is a home
Speaker 4: run shot on almost every one, and he has it
Speaker 4: literally layered.
Speaker 7: I mean, it's a dog on seven seven up, three
Speaker 7: layer clack, all right, it's just you watch it.
Speaker 4: It's like crap, he got wheel routes on almost everything.
Speaker 4: He has deep posts and deep and goals on almost everything.
Speaker 4: It's pretty dog on sick because as a defense, you
Speaker 4: can't relax, you can't get focused, you can't get so
Speaker 4: enamored by the down and distance that you're playing downhill
Speaker 4: because somebody will literally sneak out of your air peripheral
Speaker 4: and be open for a touchdown potential touchdown.
Speaker 7: Like you just saw what you just talked about. So
Speaker 7: when you watch film, just just look at it.
Speaker 4: Just instead of zooming in on where the ball goes,
Speaker 4: zoom out and look at where it could have went,
Speaker 4: and you will open your eyes and you'll be like,
Speaker 4: oh crap. One thing that I noticed when I was
Speaker 4: watching the Less several games with Bryce Young at the helm,
Speaker 4: not when the red rifle was in, but I would
Speaker 4: I expect it going in that, considering how impactful to
Speaker 4: be Hubbard is and the fact you just gave him
Speaker 4: a new contract and everything, that they would play more
Speaker 4: off of him as far as the play action in
Speaker 4: the passing game. But I noticed on film there was
Speaker 4: not a ton of play actions. So I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 4: maybe this is receiver at all. Yeah, I was like,
Speaker 4: maybe this is an aberration for this game that I'm watching.
Speaker 4: But then I went and I looked at shouts out
Speaker 4: to next Gen stats, and the numbers bear out what
Speaker 4: the film was hinting at. So surprisingly enough, the Carolina
Speaker 4: Panthers and David Canalis, they only run play action twenty
Speaker 4: one ish percent of the time on his dropbacks as far,
Speaker 4: so that's something that the Cowboys won't have to account for.
Speaker 4: But what it tells me is that one of the
Speaker 4: reasons Canalis has been able to unlock Bryce Young for
Speaker 4: the most part, he understands he's a young quarterback and
Speaker 4: one of Bryce Young's biggest issues when he first came
Speaker 4: into the league and as a rookie, was he wasn't
Speaker 4: processing quickly enough right. So when you take the play
Speaker 4: action out of the equation, it allows your young quarterback
Speaker 4: to get right into his reads immediately. As opposed to
Speaker 4: play action, you turn around and now you're worried about
Speaker 4: pressure coming. So there's not going to be a lot
Speaker 4: of play action. Well, I should say they're they trend
Speaker 4: to not want to run a lot of play actions
Speaker 4: seventy two percent of the time. They just give him
Speaker 4: a straight dropback. Cowboys will have opportunities to get pressure
Speaker 4: on him. And if they do that and they can
Speaker 4: get to him and knock him off the spot. This
Speaker 4: isn't Joe Burrow. If you're not Young off the spot,
Speaker 4: you just won that rep, right, so do it. That's
Speaker 4: that's that works in the Cowboys favor. But it's interesting
Speaker 4: to me, but it does go to what Isaiah's saying
Speaker 4: as far as explaining why Bryce Young is starting to
Speaker 4: do better, because again Canal is he's looking at his
Speaker 4: young quarterback who had trouble with going to get into
Speaker 4: his reas quickly, and he took the play action out
Speaker 4: of the equation for the most part.
Speaker 7: And a.
Speaker 5: Break to the offensive line doesn't have to set up
Speaker 5: for as long, they don't have to hold their blocks
Speaker 5: for as long.
Speaker 1: And the whole play design.
Speaker 5: Is based off of these levels that Isaiah's talking about.
Speaker 5: And I mean, I'm looking at one the game winning play.
Speaker 5: I went back and looked at it just like play
Speaker 5: concept wise, there wasn't any motion there like no motion
Speaker 5: on this play. It was all set and it was
Speaker 5: really it's just levels, that's all it is. You have
Speaker 5: to get wide open he beat Uh who is this
Speaker 5: brad Berry on the outside. There was no safety help
Speaker 5: over the top because the safety was worried about Fling
Speaker 5: on the opposite side. And then there was a guy
Speaker 5: in the middle of the of the the hash marks,
Speaker 5: and then there was a guy right at the line
Speaker 5: of scrimmage on kind of a drag route over the middle.
Speaker 5: So levels, levels, levels, and you have to sort through
Speaker 5: it perfectly or else something like that happens. And that
Speaker 5: was a hell of a throw from Bryce Young, by.
Speaker 8: The way, And to Kyle's point about feeling, I mean,
Speaker 8: I think Canalis loves the fact of having a guy
Speaker 8: like Fling who exactly he's versatile, he can do anything.
Speaker 7: On the field receiver.
Speaker 1: However, this week he.
Speaker 10: Has to go up against Jordan Lewis, and I like that.
Speaker 8: I like that, I like exactly that man, because that's
Speaker 8: a guy similar in size. I'm pretty sure that can
Speaker 8: eliminate Adam Theelin from doing all of the different compts
Speaker 8: and Oklahoma drills to speak.
Speaker 10: Oh, I mean, if we had Patrick out there, he
Speaker 10: can cover the problem.
Speaker 1: Yeah, and just by proxy, just because he because he
Speaker 1: would be Jordan Lewis in the Oklahoma drill.
Speaker 7: We spoke with Joran Lewis, did Josh, but Patrick's on
Speaker 7: I R.
Speaker 1: He can't play this. He's got three more games.
Speaker 7: Just so.
Speaker 1: We actually went up.
Speaker 7: To Jordan Lewis.
Speaker 4: Jordy Lewis did say, he said, of course he's a competitor.
Speaker 4: He's going to try to keep me ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: He's gonna try to knock me out ten out of ten.
Speaker 4: But he conceded that he may not win all ten straight.
Speaker 6: From that's Jordan Lewis trying to He looked at your
Speaker 6: arm and was like, yeah, you know, real quick, I
Speaker 6: know we gotta take another break.
Speaker 4: I want people to understand this is not the same
Speaker 4: Carolina Panthers from the first half and hours. No, okay,
Speaker 4: I know there's there's been a stigma and the whole
Speaker 4: storyline about the Carolina Panthers and blah blah blah. Listen
Speaker 4: since their bye week and week eleven. Okay, they faced
Speaker 4: the Kansas City Chiefs and Definny Champs. Right, they were back,
Speaker 4: if not for the power of saying back to Champs.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: Okay, lost by three, yep, almost took them to the
Speaker 4: white should have really should have won.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 14: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Then they played the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. Crap man how
Speaker 4: you could play Ken City. And then Tampa Bay lost
Speaker 4: by three.
Speaker 1: Tampa Bay with Mike Evans back by the way, Yeah,
Speaker 1: lost by three.
Speaker 7: Okay, if that's not bad enough.
Speaker 1: Then they played the Philadelphia Eagles and it almost took them.
Speaker 4: These are three playoff teams, right, yeah, oh yeah, and
Speaker 4: almost took them, right and lost by six.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: So their last three games they have faced three they
Speaker 4: placed the defending champs, they face another team that's been
Speaker 4: in the conversation, right, then they face another team that
Speaker 4: might be in that conversation this year, and they've lost
Speaker 4: by a total of three six And say, what was
Speaker 4: that twelve points?
Speaker 7: Three games?
Speaker 8: They're playing well man.
Speaker 7: In their defenses.
Speaker 4: And we'll talk about this, but they have the defenses
Speaker 4: better than the Bengals defense and you could only muster
Speaker 4: twenty points against a historically bad drink.
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Speaker 5: Chris Beam in the back of Kyle Yeoman's glad you're
Speaker 5: with us. Yet not the same Carolina Panthers team this
Speaker 5: time around, gentlemen, not quite and they've lost three straight.
Speaker 5: They're desperate to try and find their winning ways again.
Speaker 5: Cowboys are a little down.
Speaker 1: I think my it's tough. There's a lot of things
Speaker 1: you're gonna have to do right.
Speaker 5: But just my overarching thought process around this game is
Speaker 5: you cannot let the Bengals game beat you twice.
Speaker 11: No.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And you saw, you saw exactly how that could
Speaker 5: play out. After the Amanio A Wario Special Teams Blunder
Speaker 5: and we talked about the drive afterwards and how easy
Speaker 5: it was for Cincinnati to drive down the field. That
Speaker 5: could very easily if you don't have their back on
Speaker 5: the practice field today, if you don't have a great
Speaker 5: week of preparation, great week week of practice and put all.
Speaker 1: That behind you.
Speaker 5: Carolina Panthers are going to beat you this week, playing
Speaker 5: and simple. You cannot let that game beat you twice.
Speaker 5: And it's going to be tough to do that. Even
Speaker 5: I hosted an event last night with Micah and talking
Speaker 5: with Micah and he's still beating himself up about it
Speaker 5: and himself and really he's one of the best motivators
Speaker 5: that you'll ever talk to. And he is all about
Speaker 5: the motivation and he's going to be right back after
Speaker 5: it again starting today. But yesterday it was just kind
Speaker 5: of a morning period. But you cannot let it pass
Speaker 5: over into today.
Speaker 1: Definitely not one.
Speaker 8: And if you don't think that the Carolin Carolina Panthers
Speaker 8: are motivated, you call.
Speaker 1: Them the Carolina the Caroliners that worked.
Speaker 8: We don't think they're motivated to beat the Dallas Cowboys
Speaker 8: this week. Just think back to last year where we
Speaker 8: beat them pretty soundly. But not only that, but we
Speaker 8: held a press conference right before the game in Carolina
Speaker 8: to announce that Jimmy Johnson is going.
Speaker 5: To be to TV time with the announcement press conference
Speaker 5: in Carolina.
Speaker 1: In Carolina, half of the press box was empty because
Speaker 1: of it.
Speaker 5: No we were we were here, I was we were
Speaker 5: here remember we were watching with Nates right in the back,
Speaker 5: and they they had the surprise.
Speaker 1: Announcement of the Jimmy Johnson thing.
Speaker 5: It completely hijacked the entire day, the whole day, sidelines,
Speaker 5: the game.
Speaker 1: Everything listen.
Speaker 4: As as a beat writer, let me tell you that
Speaker 4: was logistically a nightmare.
Speaker 8: Yeah, they remember, And they had beef with Nick Eatman too,
Speaker 8: by the way, behind the scenes storyline in Carolina, because
Speaker 8: he's about to go find that dude again, and they
Speaker 8: are not happy.
Speaker 10: I wouldn't be happy if.
Speaker 1: I were them.
Speaker 4: They're gonna be motivated to listen. Bryce Young is playing
Speaker 4: confident in good football. You Behoveard is doing his thing.
Speaker 4: You got leget, you got feeling. Canalis has those guys
Speaker 4: believing in themselves on both sides of the ball, and
Speaker 4: they're going to be at Bank of America Stadium. The
Speaker 4: Panthers crowd is starting to kind of buy in, starting
Speaker 4: to believe. They've been desperate to feel something good. And
Speaker 4: even in a down season that's just wrecked by adversity,
Speaker 4: every team would still look at it win over the
Speaker 4: Cowboys as a big deal, and the Panthers will look
Speaker 4: at if they can get this win against the Cowboys,
Speaker 4: they will use it as a big deal. So mentally, no,
Speaker 4: it's not the same as beating the Eagles if they
Speaker 4: would have last week, or the Bucks if they would
Speaker 4: have or the Kansas City Chiefs if they would have
Speaker 4: escaped with that win. But psychologically speaking, it's going to
Speaker 4: feel just as good for the Panthers to do it
Speaker 4: if they can do it. So if you're if you're
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, like Kyle said, especially on a short week,
Speaker 4: which makes it that much more difficult to turn the
Speaker 4: page from such an emotionally shattering loss like you had
Speaker 4: against the Bengals. Because you just said you had the
Speaker 4: one on one with Michael yesterday. Okay, well the Panthers
Speaker 4: game is right around the corner. It's right there, and
Speaker 4: Tuesday night Michael was still hurting.
Speaker 7: Yeah, right, so the.
Speaker 1: Player's day off, they haven't hit the field.
Speaker 11: It is that.
Speaker 4: But also with the I mean, I don't want to
Speaker 4: keep bringing up injury to Demo, but that takes that hurt,
Speaker 4: that hurts significant and it's called what it is. Some
Speaker 4: players have more impact on a lockerom than others. And
Speaker 4: he has a tremendous respect in his locker room. Yes,
Speaker 4: and understand. People understand not only his energy, they understand
Speaker 4: his his aura, right, his character, his resilience, his work
Speaker 4: ethic that he had to come back from last year's injury,
Speaker 4: and then the impact that he had and the attitude
Speaker 4: that he had and the swag and everything that he
Speaker 4: brought by being on the field this year. Just to
Speaker 4: have it taken away again, people feel that just it's
Speaker 4: very deflating and it's very hard to overcome as a
Speaker 4: locker room.
Speaker 5: Just to add to that point, if you were to
Speaker 5: name the five most impactful players leaders in the Cowboys
Speaker 5: locker room right now? Okay, so he's up there, who's
Speaker 5: the other guys out of those.
Speaker 1: Four and Zach Martin, Lawrence Michaeh, Well, okay, version, but
Speaker 1: there's five then right there.
Speaker 5: Four of those guys are out and have not returned yet.
Speaker 5: Of course d Laws on his way back. But four
Speaker 5: of those guys five, the only one is Micah and
Speaker 5: he missed significant time too. I mean, that's the type
Speaker 5: of season that it's been. Not to make excuses, but
Speaker 5: it still is. It's it's crazy the amount of injuries
Speaker 5: but have ravaged this locker room.
Speaker 8: But to your point, I mean, and this is poignant
Speaker 8: because last year, a lot of the conversation was as
Speaker 8: Micah Parsons a leader, You're going to see it in
Speaker 8: the last few games of the season because I mean, now.
Speaker 10: But now he has nobody else. You know, this is
Speaker 10: got CD on the other side. But it's like, this
Speaker 10: is your leader. This is a definitive leader on defense.
Speaker 7: This is the biggest test for him.
Speaker 4: I'm not going to just hand him the leadership badge
Speaker 4: in these last games because I truly think if you
Speaker 4: really want to know, I'm not questioning the mass charage.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm just saying that I'm watching it have
Speaker 4: for those that have I'm watching. I'm watching to see
Speaker 4: how he handles the remainder.
Speaker 7: Of this season.
Speaker 4: Because even when I was on NFL Networks, you know,
Speaker 4: people were talking about, you know, Micah and how he
Speaker 4: was reacting. I'm like, no, no, no, you were getting
Speaker 4: playoff Micah. In that last game, that was playoff Mike.
Speaker 4: That was playoff Michael, because he which is why he
Speaker 4: walked off like that. That's why you saw his reaction
Speaker 4: like that, because he was doing literally everything that he
Speaker 4: could to impact that game. Because they knew that that
Speaker 4: was most like their last chance to make the playoffs.
Speaker 4: If they won that game, they were still in the picture.
Speaker 4: If they lost that game, pretty much out the picture.
Speaker 4: So you got every ounce and to and for that
Speaker 4: to not be enough, that's the reaction that you get.
Speaker 4: So now that your playoff hopes are pretty much gone,
Speaker 4: who are you?
Speaker 7: Who are you? To the locker room even more?
Speaker 4: And so now because of the fact that the other
Speaker 4: leaders are out the picture, Ye, you're the guy that's
Speaker 4: on thee.
Speaker 7: How are you now going to react?
Speaker 4: Are you going to just go out there and just
Speaker 4: kind of go through the motions or are you going
Speaker 4: to step up and demand excellent from everybody I'm watching?
Speaker 10: Yeah, gotta be ready to run through a wall.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 5: I think that's a great point because, and I would
Speaker 5: argue you've already seen that a couple times. Like you
Speaker 5: said you saw playoff Micah last week, I think you've
Speaker 5: seen playoff Micah the last couple of weeks, going back
Speaker 5: before Thanksgiving and that game against Washington basically really the
Speaker 5: game against Washington ten was the first time I stepped
Speaker 5: up and said, Okay, that's the Micah we've been waiting
Speaker 5: to see, not just from a sack standpoint.
Speaker 7: And he's always had production and effort.
Speaker 1: He's always there.
Speaker 7: That was waterboy Michael last week, he was all over it.
Speaker 4: I'll tell you when it began for me. It began
Speaker 4: for me in training camp when I started to see
Speaker 4: how he was taking Mozzi Smith under his wing and
Speaker 4: challenging Mazzie Smith and even when the cameras weren't on
Speaker 4: and the mics weren't on, you would see he and
Speaker 4: Mozzie Smith running drills between practices and things like that,
Speaker 4: and him correcting Mazie like little things that the media
Speaker 4: is not paying attention to because you know, it wasn't
Speaker 4: during the media portion of practice whatever, and maybe I'm
Speaker 4: just out there and I'm just watching an ox or whatever.
Speaker 7: We're there, Yeah, we're there.
Speaker 4: So that's when it really started to kind of click
Speaker 4: in my head. I was like, wait a minute, I
Speaker 4: think this version of Micah that we're about to see
Speaker 4: in twenty twenty four is going to be different.
Speaker 7: And here we are fast forward to now.
Speaker 4: But like you said, that's when hope is on the
Speaker 4: here's the biggest test for Yeah, there's the biggest test.
Speaker 7: Now, here's the biggest teste because right now with who's
Speaker 7: on ir and who's not coming back? Right now? It's
Speaker 7: your team, it's what are you playing for? But there's
Speaker 7: nothing to play for? Who are you?
Speaker 4: And that's why I say this is the biggest test
Speaker 4: because when you have the potential of the playoffs and
Speaker 4: the potential is still getting a ring and all that
Speaker 4: stuff out there is different.
Speaker 7: It's different than when there's no home for any of
Speaker 7: that stuff.
Speaker 1: Now, who are you? Right right now?
Speaker 7: Who are now?
Speaker 4: You got to get him to play for Pride and
Speaker 4: just to watch him because I mean it's still four
Speaker 4: games and now we talked about this versus team tank.
Speaker 7: Right.
Speaker 4: The reason players don't tank is because now you only
Speaker 4: have four more games to put good on film.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: A lot of these players, because this is a game
Speaker 4: of attrition, A lot of these players, not a lot,
Speaker 4: but several of these players will just the fact is
Speaker 4: they will not be in a Cowboys uniform next year
Speaker 4: part of it.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's part of it. Which means they're also interviewing
Speaker 7: for the other thirty one teams as well. So he's not, No,
Speaker 7: he's not.
Speaker 4: What I'm saying is this is the type of motivational
Speaker 4: messages you look at the locker room. If you're Michael,
Speaker 4: you say, hey, go out on your shield. Go out
Speaker 4: on your shield. So I love what Isaiah's saying. This
Speaker 4: is the biggest test of leadership for Michael Parsons, and
Speaker 4: you hate how it arived, but it's here, and the
Speaker 4: timing of it is wildly ironic considering what's about to
Speaker 4: happen in the offseason as far as the beginning of
Speaker 4: his contract talk.
Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely gonna be a case and a talking point
Speaker 5: going into it. All right, Tomorrow we preview the Cowboys
Speaker 5: offense versus that Carolina Panthers defense. Like Patrick said earlier,
Speaker 5: this defense is better than what Cincinnati brought to the table.
Speaker 5: Can the Cowboys find a little bit more success on
Speaker 5: the offensive side. It'll be back tomorrow with more nine
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