WEBVTT - Who gets fired for drafting Trae Young? + Sweet 16 picks 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:07.600 Hey, welcome in. This is Doug Gottlieb and welcome to Paul. 0:00:07.920 --> 0:00:12.000 Paul Baby, a great part of the Herd podcast network. 0:00:12.760 --> 0:00:16.040 As we did last week in our first installation of 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:18.720 All Ball, we started by talking about the NBA and 0:00:18.760 --> 0:00:24.040 then UM found our way into college hoop, which is 0:00:24.079 --> 0:00:29.560 what we're going to do today. Um. Obviously, Lebron James's coach, 0:00:29.600 --> 0:00:33.280 Tyron Lou, has taken a leave of absence, having been 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.960 a contemporary of Tyron Lou about the same age he 0:00:37.040 --> 0:00:39.360 did cross me up in college one time when Nebraska 0:00:39.400 --> 0:00:42.160 came into our place and beat us just a devastating losses. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:45.680 Nebraska is sucked on the road anyway. First, a quick 0:00:45.720 --> 0:00:48.680 get well to Tylu and look, this is what I 0:00:48.680 --> 0:00:50.680 said at my radio show, and I kind of mean it. 0:00:50.920 --> 0:00:54.320 I don't blame Lebron James for Tyron Lou getting sick, 0:00:54.840 --> 0:01:00.360 but whatever has happened to his health has been mm 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:04.800 hmm exacerbated. What a great word. Exacerbated is has been 0:01:04.840 --> 0:01:08.080 exacerbated by the stress that he has been under, not 0:01:08.160 --> 0:01:10.360 just coaching the NBA but coaching Lebron James and what 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.080 could very well be his last season in Cleveland. So 0:01:13.160 --> 0:01:15.560 doesn't it stand to reason that had Lebron, you know, 0:01:15.640 --> 0:01:21.839 not allowed Kyrie Irving to voice his desire to trade publicly, 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:25.280 to be traded publicly, and he like, look, we could say, 0:01:25.360 --> 0:01:27.039 well I was done once it came out that he 0:01:27.080 --> 0:01:30.560 wanted to be trade Like, No, that's not necessarily. There 0:01:30.600 --> 0:01:33.160 are women that want to divorce and the dude comes 0:01:33.200 --> 0:01:36.399 back flowers in hands on bended knee. I'll go to 0:01:36.480 --> 0:01:39.559 therapy whatever you need, babe, and you find a way 0:01:39.600 --> 0:01:42.560 to work it out, and maybe you don't stay together 0:01:42.600 --> 0:01:44.959 for life, but you stay together and try and work 0:01:45.000 --> 0:01:46.479 it out for a year or two, which is all 0:01:46.520 --> 0:01:48.560 really you needed in Cleveland. Hey, let's just try and 0:01:48.560 --> 0:01:50.360 figure this out for a year and then you can 0:01:50.400 --> 0:01:52.680 go your way. I can go my way, and the 0:01:52.720 --> 0:01:55.160 Calves can be the better off because of a trade 0:01:55.160 --> 0:01:58.640 where they get rid of both of us. Right. Um, 0:01:58.640 --> 0:02:01.760 this this also could have the health problems could have 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.560 not been exacerbated. Had Lebron James that started the year 0:02:04.640 --> 0:02:07.920 said Hey, I'm staying in Cleveland, don't worry about it, 0:02:08.760 --> 0:02:11.480 and nothing else you here matters. This is my home. 0:02:11.560 --> 0:02:14.200 This will always be my home. He didn't. He didn't 0:02:14.200 --> 0:02:16.959 stop David Griffin from being fired, and you can say 0:02:16.960 --> 0:02:20.919 to yourself, well, what could Lebron really do you mean 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:23.320 to tell me that? Lebron James goes into Dan Gilbert 0:02:23.320 --> 0:02:27.079 and says, whatever you do, don't fire David Griffin, don't 0:02:27.080 --> 0:02:30.200 fire a Griff, or else I won't play for you ever. Again, 0:02:30.680 --> 0:02:32.720 that might be a bluff, but it's a strong bluff. 0:02:33.720 --> 0:02:37.239 So the point is that you can't help when Tyron 0:02:37.320 --> 0:02:39.440 lou gets sick or Tyron lose not sleeping and Tyron 0:02:39.520 --> 0:02:44.080 lose having health issues. But you could help those stress 0:02:46.040 --> 0:02:50.920 kind of buttons from not being pressed had he not 0:02:51.080 --> 0:02:54.320 been so passive or even passive aggressive instead been the 0:02:54.440 --> 0:02:58.520 leader that he purports himself to be. All that said, 0:02:58.680 --> 0:03:01.880 it's going to be absolutely fascinating this year to see 0:03:03.240 --> 0:03:07.320 what happens with the Calves in the NBA playoffs. Now 0:03:07.320 --> 0:03:09.560 we have Trey Young who's declared for the NBA Draft, 0:03:09.600 --> 0:03:12.560 DeAndre Ayton's going to the NBA draft, Michael Porter Jr. 0:03:12.600 --> 0:03:15.680 Only Played essentially two games, He's going to the NBA Draft, 0:03:16.200 --> 0:03:20.160 and Marvin Bagley is kind of the only big time 0:03:20.200 --> 0:03:24.560 one and done non Kentucky player. More Bomba likely going 0:03:24.600 --> 0:03:26.920 to the draft. Colin Sexton. Of course, he said he 0:03:26.919 --> 0:03:28.880 wants to get a four point out, but expectations are 0:03:28.919 --> 0:03:32.560 heat go to the draft. The most interesting one, I think, 0:03:32.600 --> 0:03:39.040 without any question is Trey Young. And normally, normally the 0:03:39.040 --> 0:03:43.520 cases with freshman they don't shoot well, but you look 0:03:43.520 --> 0:03:47.520 at their stats and they get progressively better. That's I mean, 0:03:47.520 --> 0:03:49.960 we've seen the Kentucky guys. Not not that the Kentucky 0:03:50.000 --> 0:03:51.600 guys shot well in the first game of the n 0:03:51.600 --> 0:03:55.600 c A tournament, but generally freshman don't shoot well. They 0:03:55.600 --> 0:03:58.800 have to learn the speed of the game, everybody's speed 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:01.400 of the game. It's more the percentage of percentage of 0:04:01.480 --> 0:04:05.400 possessions in which they play at their peak level in 0:04:05.520 --> 0:04:10.000 terms of intensity. The thing about Trey Young is his 0:04:10.000 --> 0:04:15.480 his shooting performances obviously got worse, and the numbers since 0:04:15.800 --> 0:04:21.880 let's just take since February are atrocious, and so he's 0:04:21.880 --> 0:04:24.320 getting ready for the NBA Draft. Of course, a lot 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.680 of you like to troll me the way that SportsCenter 0:04:27.720 --> 0:04:29.960 once trold me that was fun that I was not 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:33.239 an employee for ESPN for like two years and somebody 0:04:33.400 --> 0:04:36.200 somebody in sports that is working their Twitter handle put 0:04:36.200 --> 0:04:38.679 out kind of a hybridized version of what I said 0:04:39.640 --> 0:04:42.640 on when the day he declared. Here's the tweet that 0:04:42.680 --> 0:04:45.039 Sports Center sent out. This was awesome, right, this is 0:04:46.360 --> 0:04:48.960 April two nine, Steph Curry declared for the NBA draft. 0:04:49.000 --> 0:04:52.880 Doug Gottlieb says he doesn't have the upside of Rubio, Jennings, Flynn, 0:04:53.520 --> 0:04:58.240 Patty Mills, Jeff Tigue allmore athletic, and in all honesty, 0:04:58.800 --> 0:05:02.440 it was that was accurate. I thought Ricky Rubio could 0:05:02.440 --> 0:05:06.040 develop more as a shooter. Now has he been hurt 0:05:06.120 --> 0:05:08.800 by the knee injury. Yeah, But the big thing was 0:05:08.920 --> 0:05:12.240 Ricky Rubio, for the life couldn't shoot the basketball and 0:05:12.279 --> 0:05:14.479 Steph Curry could. That will open up the court for 0:05:14.520 --> 0:05:19.880 Steph Curry's game. Brandon Jennings, I thought he was more 0:05:19.920 --> 0:05:21.960 athletic than I. Don't think that's an art that's arguable. 0:05:22.040 --> 0:05:25.240 Johnny Flynn, the Johnny Flynn thing is interesting because obviously 0:05:25.240 --> 0:05:27.320 he went before Steph Curry. The flaw on the Johnny 0:05:27.320 --> 0:05:29.640 Flynn thing is when we look back and say, well, 0:05:29.760 --> 0:05:32.839 Johnny Flynn sucked. I actually think I thought Johnny Flynn 0:05:32.880 --> 0:05:35.480 could have been the next Kevin Johnson, but he was 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:37.880 drafted by the Timberwolves and put it into the triangle, 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:40.960 and if you're a ball screen point guard, the triangle 0:05:41.000 --> 0:05:43.120 is not for you. Additionally, he had a devastating I 0:05:43.160 --> 0:05:46.760 think hip injury to which his career was shortened. Patty 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:49.360 Mills would be the one guy that I probably overrated 0:05:49.360 --> 0:05:52.039 coming out, and he's been a really good pro, but 0:05:52.400 --> 0:05:55.719 I I thought he would be a little bit better. 0:05:56.400 --> 0:05:58.560 Initially took him a while and he figured it out 0:05:58.560 --> 0:06:01.120 and become kind of a life versus for But I 0:06:01.120 --> 0:06:03.080 would have thought. I thought Patty Mills was going to 0:06:03.120 --> 0:06:06.120 be a Jamal Crawford type, you know. I thought he 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.920 would be a high double digit score off the bench 0:06:09.960 --> 0:06:11.880 um and Jeff t I think has had a really 0:06:11.880 --> 0:06:14.560 good career. He just hasn't been Steph Curry, so look 0:06:14.600 --> 0:06:18.280 ill knowingly admittedly a guy who I likened. I thought 0:06:18.320 --> 0:06:21.200 Steph Curry would have a Jeff hornessec like career. That's 0:06:21.200 --> 0:06:23.440 what I thought. I could play some point so very 0:06:23.480 --> 0:06:25.960 good too, very good shooter. I didn't think he was 0:06:26.000 --> 0:06:28.560 athletic enough to get into a defense, and I thought 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.840 they had struggled to hide him defensively. And Horn was 0:06:31.839 --> 0:06:33.440 actually a pretty good defender back in the day, but 0:06:33.440 --> 0:06:35.479 it was it was different because you could grab guys, 0:06:35.920 --> 0:06:37.760 you could hand check them, you could hide things a 0:06:37.800 --> 0:06:40.719 little bit more, whereas nowadays he gets so spread out 0:06:41.360 --> 0:06:44.360 and you can't hand check, and everybody switches every screen. 0:06:44.560 --> 0:06:48.760 It's really hard to hide a guy. Um point being that, 0:06:48.880 --> 0:06:53.680 when I talk about Trey Young and I likened him 0:06:53.720 --> 0:06:56.359 to Steph Curry coming out, or how everybody wants to 0:06:56.360 --> 0:06:59.400 liken him to Steph Curry, there are some that'll be like, yo, 0:06:59.480 --> 0:07:01.000 you don't know who you talk about. You missed on 0:07:01.040 --> 0:07:05.320 Stephan Curry. And that's fair. It's fair. I didn't think 0:07:05.360 --> 0:07:06.920 he would be a two time m v P. I'm 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:08.720 not sure anybody actually thought he would be a two 0:07:08.720 --> 0:07:12.080 time MVP, let alone a perennial All Star. But that's okay. 0:07:12.080 --> 0:07:14.520 I'll own that one as long as I'm allowed to 0:07:14.520 --> 0:07:17.360 own the fact that I didn't think Derrick Williams was 0:07:17.440 --> 0:07:19.600 a top ten, top fifteen pick when he came out 0:07:19.600 --> 0:07:22.640 of Arizona. You know, you go back and the hits 0:07:22.640 --> 0:07:27.120 are greater than the misses. So look, I've said I 0:07:27.160 --> 0:07:31.080 think Bagley should go one over eighton and I understand 0:07:31.120 --> 0:07:34.160 that you need big guys now, especially ones that can 0:07:34.160 --> 0:07:36.520 stay out in the floor in versatile lineups, one because 0:07:36.560 --> 0:07:37.960 he can shoot, and two because he can move his 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:40.640 feet and defend. But I think Bagley is just a 0:07:40.640 --> 0:07:44.960 more versatile player offensively. And uh, he's a little bit younger. 0:07:45.360 --> 0:07:47.760 And no, he doesn't have the body right now of Eton, 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:49.800 may never have the body of Aden, but there's still 0:07:49.800 --> 0:07:52.240 a little bit more physical development to take place. I'll 0:07:52.240 --> 0:07:54.720 put out a draft board as soon as the season 0:07:54.840 --> 0:07:58.000 is done, and I think it's interesting. But the thing 0:07:58.000 --> 0:08:02.680 about Trey is because his game is styled after Steph 0:08:02.880 --> 0:08:06.560 that when I tell you somebody's going to get fired 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:10.400 drafting Trey Young, there will be a percentage of people 0:08:10.440 --> 0:08:16.160 who read the headline from this podcast and think, well, 0:08:16.200 --> 0:08:18.280 what does Gottlieb know he missed on Trey Young? Luck? 0:08:18.280 --> 0:08:20.720 All right, you go back to the draft, which had 0:08:20.760 --> 0:08:24.000 Chris Paul and Darren Williams, and I thought at the 0:08:24.000 --> 0:08:27.640 time the league was changing, evolving, and I thought that 0:08:27.720 --> 0:08:31.120 the draft should have the Atlanta Hawks for the Milwaukee 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:36.160 Bucks should have taken Chris Paul Darry Williams one and two. 0:08:37.000 --> 0:08:41.679 So um, look again, I've I've missed on picks, missed 0:08:41.679 --> 0:08:44.560 on guys. The weird part about the Steph Curry one 0:08:44.679 --> 0:08:47.080 is remembers like, wow, you had them ready below Johnny 0:08:47.080 --> 0:08:50.600 Flynn and Ricky Rubio. Yes, so the Timberwolves obviously they 0:08:50.640 --> 0:08:54.400 missed um, but I didn't have Hashima beat going number 0:08:54.440 --> 0:08:57.200 two overall, and he becomes the biggest bust of that draft. 0:08:57.440 --> 0:08:59.720 Brandon Jennings went a couple of picks behind him, and 0:09:00.160 --> 0:09:02.760 Jennings I don't think ever developed into that player. I 0:09:02.800 --> 0:09:05.520 had drew Holiday higher than others. And what's become a 0:09:05.520 --> 0:09:07.960 guard dominant league. You sit there and you want to 0:09:08.360 --> 0:09:11.000 You watch Trey Young and you you want Trey Young 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:17.560 to be Steph Curry, but he's not. He's not. Now 0:09:18.360 --> 0:09:21.520 this is really hard because Trey is only a freshman. 0:09:21.800 --> 0:09:25.600 Steph played three years before coming out and obviously had 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:28.960 more refinement in his game. Remember Steph played the first 0:09:29.000 --> 0:09:32.880 two years off the basketball for the most part with 0:09:33.120 --> 0:09:36.520 Davidson and played the point guard his junior year, and 0:09:36.760 --> 0:09:38.920 that's when he blew up and had had the type 0:09:38.920 --> 0:09:40.959 of season we saw Trey half right, and he had 0:09:41.160 --> 0:09:45.440 you and four point seven rebounds and two point eight 0:09:45.440 --> 0:09:49.400 assists during his sophomore year. During his junior year, that's 0:09:49.440 --> 0:09:52.080 when he explode. That's when he had, you know, forty 0:09:52.160 --> 0:09:57.160 four in a loss to Oklahoma. That's when he had 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.880 scored at least twenty five points in seven in straight games. 0:10:01.280 --> 0:10:05.360 You know, he averaged shot thirty eight percent from three 0:10:05.720 --> 0:10:09.480 percentages actually went down his junior year. So there's a 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.560 couple of different layers to the Trey Young conversation. I 0:10:12.600 --> 0:10:14.880 think it's a mistake for him to come out. I 0:10:14.920 --> 0:10:17.760 think that he could develop. He could average as many 0:10:17.880 --> 0:10:21.520 or more points or fewer points, shoot a lower percentage overall, 0:10:21.880 --> 0:10:25.640 and still be as well or or better regarded. The 0:10:25.720 --> 0:10:29.800 first thing is defensively. Remember Trey Young is smaller than 0:10:29.880 --> 0:10:33.000 Steph Curry. He's smaller than Steph Curry. Step is a 0:10:33.080 --> 0:10:37.320 legit six three ish and he obviously had to add 0:10:37.360 --> 0:10:40.240 a ton of strength. And step is still a guy 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:43.360 that they hied defensively. Now they hied him defensively because 0:10:44.040 --> 0:10:48.800 he's a better athlete than Trey. Trey could improve his athleticism. 0:10:48.840 --> 0:10:52.240 He's a little bit bigger than Trey. I don't think 0:10:52.280 --> 0:10:55.040 Trey is gonna grow anymore. But I wouldn't put it 0:10:55.040 --> 0:10:57.679 past anybody to squeeze out another half inch or an 0:10:57.679 --> 0:11:01.680 inch at this stage in his development, and he's a 0:11:01.679 --> 0:11:04.800 better finisher, although not the greatest finisher, but he's an 0:11:04.840 --> 0:11:08.240 incredible finisher at the rim for a guy his size 0:11:08.280 --> 0:11:10.840 and considering he's not a go in and dunk on 0:11:10.880 --> 0:11:12.920 you with two hands sort of guys. So there's a 0:11:12.920 --> 0:11:18.160 bunch of different layers to it. But Trade doesn't play 0:11:18.200 --> 0:11:22.160 any defense on the basketball. He's not really an active 0:11:22.160 --> 0:11:26.120 defender off the basketball, and the numbers in the second 0:11:26.120 --> 0:11:29.840 half of the season are really really bad when teams 0:11:29.880 --> 0:11:32.840 locked in on him and he is he's not a 0:11:32.840 --> 0:11:36.000 product necessarily as much of the system as much as 0:11:36.000 --> 0:11:39.400 he's a product of just dominating the basketball tray. Young 0:11:39.480 --> 0:11:44.719 for the year shot from three, that's not great, that's 0:11:44.760 --> 0:11:47.600 not great. But when you go and look at the 0:11:47.640 --> 0:11:51.960 player splits and you say, all right, in February he 0:11:52.120 --> 0:11:59.880 shot thirty six percent from three. Yikes. In March for 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:05.120 three yikes. Look, once you get to February on and 0:12:05.120 --> 0:12:08.680 you're shooting mid twenties from three, when defenders are locking 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:12.319 in on you and your averages plummet from thirty a 0:12:12.400 --> 0:12:16.040 game to game in the last two months of the season. 0:12:16.800 --> 0:12:19.240 That's not the kind of progression. And so I understand 0:12:19.280 --> 0:12:22.120 why Ray Young, his dad is having him go from 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:26.200 being a collegiate player just one season go pro. You 0:12:26.200 --> 0:12:28.800 know your name is hot now, But I don't think 0:12:28.800 --> 0:12:31.240 his name would cool off. I really don't, especially if 0:12:31.240 --> 0:12:34.800 he refines his all around game in order for Tray 0:12:34.920 --> 0:12:37.560 to be Tray. He's not a blended guy. He's not 0:12:37.600 --> 0:12:38.959 a guy you can just say, Hey, you know, I 0:12:39.000 --> 0:12:41.360 want you to blend in. I want you to play 0:12:41.520 --> 0:12:44.000 against better competition for a shorter period of time and 0:12:44.040 --> 0:12:46.959 be more efficient to come off the bench. If you're 0:12:46.960 --> 0:12:49.280 gonna drave him in a lottery, you're gonna want to 0:12:49.320 --> 0:12:52.920 start him at some point. And I just think this 0:12:53.040 --> 0:12:55.960 is going to be bad. I think there's a lot 0:12:56.000 --> 0:12:59.160 more gimmer to him then there is step to him. 0:12:59.320 --> 0:13:04.520 He's not the athlete stuff is. He's not, at least 0:13:04.520 --> 0:13:08.480 at this point, the shooter that stuff is. He's a 0:13:08.800 --> 0:13:12.720 he's a good passer. He might be as natural a 0:13:12.800 --> 0:13:16.080 pastor as Steff is. He's a lot more he's he's 0:13:16.400 --> 0:13:18.439 very right hand dominant. Of course, a lot of that 0:13:18.480 --> 0:13:20.880 can be worked out, and he can be made to 0:13:20.920 --> 0:13:23.160 be a better athlete, although I'm not sure Love be 0:13:23.720 --> 0:13:28.280 a great athlete. So I think because of expectations, the 0:13:28.320 --> 0:13:30.520 attention that will be paid to him, the amount of 0:13:30.520 --> 0:13:32.800 time he has to have the basketball in his hands 0:13:33.080 --> 0:13:35.840 in order to be effective, I think it's more probable 0:13:35.840 --> 0:13:38.200 than not that there's some early struggles in his career 0:13:38.960 --> 0:13:43.560 and that will cause whoever drafts him, they'll draft him 0:13:43.640 --> 0:13:46.360 higher than he should be drafted because of his name. Now, 0:13:46.360 --> 0:13:47.920 maybe he goes to a place like Orlando and we 0:13:47.960 --> 0:13:49.760 don't pay attention to him for his first couple of 0:13:49.800 --> 0:13:53.640 years and he develops into a good pro. But I 0:13:53.679 --> 0:13:57.520 can think of a ten to twelve guys to which 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:03.720 I'm absolutely positively sure will be pros and be six 0:14:03.760 --> 0:14:05.640 men two starters in this league that I would take 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.000 ahead of him, and then I have a group of 0:14:08.040 --> 0:14:10.800 ten or twelve others that I think fit in better 0:14:10.880 --> 0:14:15.120 as role players. So, uh, look, I've never been a 0:14:15.200 --> 0:14:17.520 huge Michael Porter guy, but I think he'll go somewhere 0:14:17.559 --> 0:14:21.320 six through ten. Mo Bamba. I don't think there's any 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:23.920 way in which you pass on Mobamba because of the 0:14:24.000 --> 0:14:26.880 upside with the length and the way basketball is being played. 0:14:27.400 --> 0:14:29.480 It's a little surprising to me that he didn't have 0:14:29.480 --> 0:14:31.560 a better year that Texas hasn't been a little bit 0:14:31.560 --> 0:14:34.560 better since since Shaka took over. Although one of the 0:14:34.560 --> 0:14:37.720 big issues with Shaka is, you know, he's always played 0:14:37.760 --> 0:14:41.840 with undersized guys, with guys that were lightly recruited, guys 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:43.720 that were tougher than a two dollar steak. You get 0:14:43.760 --> 0:14:47.120 to Texas and they get these regal big guys. Well, 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:51.960 it's you can't play havoc when you have, you know, 0:14:52.280 --> 0:14:56.720 a six ft nine Dylanosikowski and a seven ft Mo Bamba, 0:14:56.840 --> 0:14:58.880 like that's really hard to pick up and play. And 0:14:58.960 --> 0:15:00.800 he has to had depth of ards, but he just 0:15:00.840 --> 0:15:03.720 doesn't have the junkyard dogs he had previously. And it's 0:15:03.720 --> 0:15:05.760 gonna be fascinating to see how Texas does he kind 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:09.680 of refocus his recruiting instead of going after top fifty, 0:15:09.720 --> 0:15:12.040 top twenty five guys. Does he just go and get 0:15:12.040 --> 0:15:14.440 the best athletes in the state of Texas and gets 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.400 after it and and plays havoc or does he try 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:20.160 and refine his style which is what he's he's seemingly 0:15:20.240 --> 0:15:23.240 done and coaching away in which he hasn't coached since 0:15:23.280 --> 0:15:28.600 becoming a head coach. But I think obviously bomba eighton 0:15:29.840 --> 0:15:34.080 Luka done and then my personal favorite, Marvin Bagley. Those 0:15:34.120 --> 0:15:35.520 are the guys that are going to fill out the 0:15:35.560 --> 0:15:39.600 top five, along with Colin Sexton, who undoubtedly to me 0:15:39.680 --> 0:15:42.960 is the first point guard off the board. He's he 0:15:43.000 --> 0:15:46.440 can play both ends defensively, offensively. He's not the pastor 0:15:46.440 --> 0:15:50.160 of Steph Curry. He's not the pastor Trey Young. You're 0:15:50.200 --> 0:15:55.040 not the shooter shotmaker of Trey. But even though so, 0:15:55.600 --> 0:16:00.800 shooting is held in incredibly high regard at the NBA level, 0:16:01.200 --> 0:16:02.560 you also have to be able to get off your shot. 0:16:02.640 --> 0:16:04.320 You have to be able to guard your position, you 0:16:04.320 --> 0:16:05.960 have to be able to switch on to bigger players. 0:16:07.120 --> 0:16:08.680 With that in mind, let's get to some of our 0:16:09.240 --> 0:16:13.240 special guests who join us now on All Ball. Let's 0:16:13.240 --> 0:16:16.840 welcome in CBS Sports College Basketball's and former head coach 0:16:16.880 --> 0:16:22.080 of Villanova Manhattan U mask Uh Steve Lappas joins us 0:16:22.120 --> 0:16:25.280 here on All Ball, the Doug Gottlieb Podcast, Just Talking 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:30.479 Basketball Lap. You were in Nashville, incredible site, unbelievable games, 0:16:30.560 --> 0:16:33.440 and on Sunday you had two I don't know if 0:16:33.480 --> 0:16:35.920 you call them comebacks or choke jobs. I guess depends 0:16:35.960 --> 0:16:41.120 on what side. Uh. Let's let's start with Cincinnati um, 0:16:41.120 --> 0:16:44.600 Cincinnati a twenty two point lead. That's a choke job 0:16:44.680 --> 0:16:47.840 more than a comeback. I guess you were there. It's 0:16:47.880 --> 0:16:52.480 so much different when you're there. What happened? You know what? 0:16:52.920 --> 0:16:55.240 It's one of those games, I'm telling you. With eleven 0:16:55.320 --> 0:16:57.240 minutes to go, we were on a TV break and 0:16:57.280 --> 0:17:00.040 I told Caline, so this thing is so over. I 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:03.480 can't tell you. The body language of the VATA was bad. 0:17:03.640 --> 0:17:07.160 They just picked up technical files. They were a complete mess. 0:17:07.200 --> 0:17:11.040 They only had five guys. Uh. Caleb Martin's ankle was 0:17:11.080 --> 0:17:13.120 sorry at his sneak. I'm like, this thing is over, 0:17:13.320 --> 0:17:15.240 and I gotta tell you, I have no idea. You 0:17:15.280 --> 0:17:16.320 know a lot of a lot of types of the 0:17:16.359 --> 0:17:18.880 points of one thing in a game. I couldn't point 0:17:18.880 --> 0:17:20.840 to one thing to say how this thing started. But 0:17:20.880 --> 0:17:23.080 I will say this, with five minutes to go in 0:17:23.160 --> 0:17:26.840 the game, when Jared Cumberland picked up his fourth and 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:29.160 Mick Cronan kept him in the game and he found 0:17:29.160 --> 0:17:32.240 out like thirty seconds later, that's when they were ubated. 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:34.240 At that point, so it had started to turn on 0:17:34.320 --> 0:17:36.919 no questions, but that's when it really turned. And you 0:17:36.920 --> 0:17:38.800 know the stuff, You've seen it many times when the 0:17:38.880 --> 0:17:42.960 team is especially how the higher seeded team starts to 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.800 go south and an NTA tournament game, it's hard to stop. 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:48.440 And they definitely panicked at the end, no doubt. No, 0:17:48.560 --> 0:17:51.000 the Cumberland fouled out. And and here's what I pointed 0:17:51.000 --> 0:17:54.199 out watching the a C Championship game in person. I 0:17:54.200 --> 0:17:56.440 was calling the radio and I said, like, they really 0:17:56.440 --> 0:17:59.480 only have four guys, you know, they try and hide 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:01.359 the fact that don't really have a point guard, that 0:18:01.520 --> 0:18:05.639 Justin Jennifer can't score, and Kane Broom's really kind of 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:08.679 more of a mid major low major kid, you know. 0:18:09.080 --> 0:18:11.840 And and so they're they're top four guys are really good, 0:18:11.880 --> 0:18:13.640 and then they hide the fact that I'm a point guard. 0:18:13.680 --> 0:18:16.240 They have no backup. Biggs. You had an experience like 0:18:16.320 --> 0:18:18.960 this one, didn't you in the n c A tournament. Yeah, 0:18:19.000 --> 0:18:21.399 but not not. We never had a leg like this. 0:18:21.600 --> 0:18:23.879 In other words, we were you know, we we had 0:18:23.880 --> 0:18:25.640 a couple of games in the n c A tournament, 0:18:25.720 --> 0:18:28.000 like with Old Dominion in particularly, we were up five 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:31.719 six the whole game and at the end point ended 0:18:31.800 --> 0:18:33.920 up losing the game. So we but we I felt 0:18:33.960 --> 0:18:37.040 the pressure, There's no question you feel the pressure if 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:39.159 you're if you're a two seed and you're playing with 0:18:39.200 --> 0:18:41.400 team that's an eight, nine ten eleven Sea and you're 0:18:41.600 --> 0:18:44.359 five per four minutes ago, you feel the pressure. And 0:18:44.560 --> 0:18:46.360 uh so we never had a big league like that, 0:18:46.440 --> 0:18:49.960 but you definitely know that there's Keith, no question. All right, 0:18:50.040 --> 0:18:53.280 let's go to Xavier. Xavier wasn't up twenty two. They 0:18:53.280 --> 0:18:56.600 were up twelve um in the second part of the 0:18:56.600 --> 0:19:00.280 second half. What went so wrong for x You of them, 0:19:00.280 --> 0:19:02.320 I felt different about it. I felt like they were 0:19:02.320 --> 0:19:04.320 in control, but I didn't think like that it was 0:19:04.359 --> 0:19:06.640 over and I think we we're What what went wrong 0:19:06.680 --> 0:19:08.600 for them is they can and I don't know if 0:19:08.600 --> 0:19:11.400 you've had a chance to see Foreign State live, see 0:19:11.440 --> 0:19:14.119 them live, Like you say, look at these guys. I 0:19:14.160 --> 0:19:19.320 mean athletic, big, strong guys that can make plays, guys 0:19:19.359 --> 0:19:22.399 that can get into you defensively for But the problem 0:19:22.440 --> 0:19:23.760 for them is they didn't do it for a long 0:19:23.800 --> 0:19:25.959 period of time, but they certainly could do it for 0:19:25.960 --> 0:19:27.720 five minutes. And that's what they did in that game. 0:19:28.200 --> 0:19:32.119 They got into Xavier for five minutes was what happened 0:19:32.119 --> 0:19:33.919 to be the last five minutes of the game, and 0:19:33.960 --> 0:19:35.760 they were with near shot, and that was the thing 0:19:35.800 --> 0:19:38.199 about them. You know, they were close enough where if 0:19:38.200 --> 0:19:40.600 they could put on one of their great spurts that 0:19:40.680 --> 0:19:42.800 they're capable of, that they could win the game. And 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:44.520 that's what they did the last five minutes of the game, 0:19:44.600 --> 0:19:46.920 six minutes. Xavier, who was one of the best offensive 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:50.480 teams all a year, was awful. And I think Trade 0:19:50.480 --> 0:19:53.000 barn Blewett is a good player. I think he got 0:19:53.000 --> 0:19:54.720 exposed a little bit. And I don't think if everydy 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:59.040 talked about guaranteed NBA guy whatever, he couldn't. He can't 0:19:59.080 --> 0:20:01.919 create his own shot. He's not a great athlete, and 0:20:01.960 --> 0:20:05.120 I think that Florida's State really exposed that a little bit. 0:20:05.440 --> 0:20:08.120 And then you know, mature, filled out and mature regally. 0:20:08.400 --> 0:20:10.560 He's their best player in terms of being able to 0:20:10.640 --> 0:20:14.919 do something on his own, especially in transition. So I 0:20:14.960 --> 0:20:17.159 think that you know, again the floodgates open, but that 0:20:17.200 --> 0:20:20.000 Florida State team they can play defense when they want 0:20:20.000 --> 0:20:21.840 to know, no question, they're they're one of the great 0:20:21.840 --> 0:20:24.000 airport teams. You see in the airport, You're like, man, 0:20:24.400 --> 0:20:28.080 who are those beautiful who are those guys? A couple 0:20:28.160 --> 0:20:29.959 a couple of quick ones, um as I know you're 0:20:30.000 --> 0:20:32.560 going to getting ready to call the Division two National Championship. 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:37.919 You saw Texas in person, what's your impression of Mo Bamba? Ah, 0:20:37.960 --> 0:20:43.960 he's very raw offensively, he's very weak. Uh So he's 0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:45.639 got a lot of work to do on his body. 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:46.919 He's got a work, a lot of work to do 0:20:47.000 --> 0:20:49.120 on his offensive game. And you know, like I used 0:20:49.119 --> 0:20:51.840 to tell my big guys, you can't if you want to. 0:20:51.920 --> 0:20:54.800 If you want to get eight ten shots in the game, 0:20:54.920 --> 0:20:58.320 he's gotta post up forty times, which means you almost 0:20:58.320 --> 0:21:00.840 have to try to get the bad every possession in 0:21:00.920 --> 0:21:04.000 a game if you want to get yourself sixteen points. 0:21:04.040 --> 0:21:05.919 So if there's a play where the balls on this 0:21:05.960 --> 0:21:07.560 side of the floor and you decided to stand on 0:21:07.600 --> 0:21:09.440 the other side of the floor and not work hard 0:21:09.440 --> 0:21:11.720 and duck in and post, guess what, you're not gonna 0:21:11.720 --> 0:21:14.000 get what you want. And that's what I saw bomb By. 0:21:14.200 --> 0:21:16.240 I called it out of times in the game that 0:21:16.320 --> 0:21:18.119