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Speaker 1: Hey, welcome in. This is Doug Gottlieb and welcome to Paul.

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Speaker 1: Paul Baby, a great part of the Herd podcast network.

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Speaker 1: As we did last week in our first installation of

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Speaker 1: All Ball, we started by talking about the NBA and

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Speaker 1: then UM found our way into college hoop, which is

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Speaker 1: what we're going to do today. Um. Obviously, Lebron James's coach,

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Speaker 1: Tyron Lou, has taken a leave of absence, having been

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Speaker 1: a contemporary of Tyron Lou about the same age he

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Speaker 1: did cross me up in college one time when Nebraska

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Speaker 1: came into our place and beat us just a devastating losses.

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Speaker 1: Nebraska is sucked on the road anyway. First, a quick

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Speaker 1: get well to Tylu and look, this is what I

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Speaker 1: said at my radio show, and I kind of mean it.

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Speaker 1: I don't blame Lebron James for Tyron Lou getting sick,

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Speaker 1: but whatever has happened to his health has been mm

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Speaker 1: hmm exacerbated. What a great word. Exacerbated is has been

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Speaker 1: exacerbated by the stress that he has been under, not

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Speaker 1: just coaching the NBA but coaching Lebron James and what

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Speaker 1: could very well be his last season in Cleveland. So

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Speaker 1: doesn't it stand to reason that had Lebron, you know,

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Speaker 1: not allowed Kyrie Irving to voice his desire to trade publicly,

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Speaker 1: to be traded publicly, and he like, look, we could say,

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Speaker 1: well I was done once it came out that he

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Speaker 1: wanted to be trade Like, No, that's not necessarily. There

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Speaker 1: are women that want to divorce and the dude comes

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Speaker 1: back flowers in hands on bended knee. I'll go to

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Speaker 1: therapy whatever you need, babe, and you find a way

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Speaker 1: to work it out, and maybe you don't stay together

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Speaker 1: for life, but you stay together and try and work

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Speaker 1: it out for a year or two, which is all

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Speaker 1: really you needed in Cleveland. Hey, let's just try and

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Speaker 1: figure this out for a year and then you can

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Speaker 1: go your way. I can go my way, and the

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Speaker 1: Calves can be the better off because of a trade

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Speaker 1: where they get rid of both of us. Right. Um,

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Speaker 1: this this also could have the health problems could have

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Speaker 1: not been exacerbated. Had Lebron James that started the year

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Speaker 1: said Hey, I'm staying in Cleveland, don't worry about it,

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Speaker 1: and nothing else you here matters. This is my home.

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Speaker 1: This will always be my home. He didn't. He didn't

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Speaker 1: stop David Griffin from being fired, and you can say

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Speaker 1: to yourself, well, what could Lebron really do you mean

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Speaker 1: to tell me that? Lebron James goes into Dan Gilbert

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Speaker 1: and says, whatever you do, don't fire David Griffin, don't

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Speaker 1: fire a Griff, or else I won't play for you ever. Again,

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Speaker 1: that might be a bluff, but it's a strong bluff.

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Speaker 1: So the point is that you can't help when Tyron

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Speaker 1: lou gets sick or Tyron lose not sleeping and Tyron

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Speaker 1: lose having health issues. But you could help those stress

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Speaker 1: kind of buttons from not being pressed had he not

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Speaker 1: been so passive or even passive aggressive instead been the

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Speaker 1: leader that he purports himself to be. All that said,

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Speaker 1: it's going to be absolutely fascinating this year to see

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Speaker 1: what happens with the Calves in the NBA playoffs. Now

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Speaker 1: we have Trey Young who's declared for the NBA Draft,

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Speaker 1: DeAndre Ayton's going to the NBA draft, Michael Porter Jr.

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Speaker 1: Only Played essentially two games, He's going to the NBA Draft,

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Speaker 1: and Marvin Bagley is kind of the only big time

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Speaker 1: to the draft. Colin Sexton. Of course, he said he

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Speaker 1: heat go to the draft. The most interesting one, I think,

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Speaker 1: without any question is Trey Young. And normally, normally the

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Speaker 1: cases with freshman they don't shoot well, but you look

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Speaker 1: at their stats and they get progressively better. That's I mean,

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Speaker 1: we've seen the Kentucky guys. Not not that the Kentucky

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Speaker 1: have to learn the speed of the game, everybody's speed

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Speaker 1: terms of intensity. The thing about Trey Young is his

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Speaker 1: his shooting performances obviously got worse, and the numbers since

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Speaker 1: let's just take since February are atrocious, and so he's

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Speaker 1: getting ready for the NBA Draft. Of course, a lot

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Speaker 1: of you like to troll me the way that SportsCenter

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Speaker 1: an employee for ESPN for like two years and somebody

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Speaker 1: somebody in sports that is working their Twitter handle put

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Speaker 1: out kind of a hybridized version of what I said

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Speaker 1: on when the day he declared. Here's the tweet that

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Speaker 1: Sports Center sent out. This was awesome, right, this is

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Speaker 1: April two nine, Steph Curry declared for the NBA draft.

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Speaker 1: Doug Gottlieb says he doesn't have the upside of Rubio, Jennings, Flynn,

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry's game. Brandon Jennings, I thought he was more

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Speaker 1: Johnny Flynn, the Johnny Flynn thing is interesting because obviously

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Speaker 1: Johnny Flynn sucked. I actually think I thought Johnny Flynn

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Speaker 1: Mills would be the one guy that I probably overrated

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Speaker 1: good career. He just hasn't been Steph Curry, so look

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Speaker 1: ill knowingly admittedly a guy who I likened. I thought

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Speaker 1: Steph Curry would have a Jeff hornessec like career. That's

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Speaker 1: what I thought. I could play some point so very

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Speaker 1: good too, very good shooter. I didn't think he was

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Speaker 1: they had struggled to hide him defensively. And Horn was

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Speaker 1: It's really hard to hide a guy. Um point being that,

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Speaker 1: when I talk about Trey Young and I likened him

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Speaker 1: liken him to Steph Curry, there are some that'll be like, yo,

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Speaker 1: I'll own that one as long as I'm allowed to

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Speaker 1: own the fact that I didn't think Derrick Williams was

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Speaker 1: put out a draft board as soon as the season

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Speaker 1: that when I tell you somebody's going to get fired

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Speaker 1: what does Gottlieb know he missed on Trey Young? Luck?

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Speaker 1: All right, you go back to the draft, which had

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Speaker 1: Chris Paul and Darren Williams, and I thought at the

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Speaker 1: So um, look again, I've I've missed on picks, missed

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Speaker 1: You watch Trey Young and you you want Trey Young

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Speaker 1: of season we saw Trey half right, and he had

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Speaker 1: think it's a mistake for him to come out. I

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Speaker 1: think that he could develop. He could average as many

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Speaker 1: that they hied defensively. Now they hied him defensively because

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Speaker 1: he's a better athlete than Trey. Trey could improve his athleticism.

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Speaker 1: He's a little bit bigger than Trey. I don't think

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Speaker 1: half of the season are really really bad when teams

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Speaker 1: he's a product of just dominating the basketball tray. Young

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Speaker 1: about what it did to the Shaka's team. But if

428
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Speaker 1: we're going to talk about it, it definitely hurt the team,

429
00:22:37,160 --> 00:22:39,000
Speaker 1: no question. You have a suspension of one of your

430
00:22:39,280 --> 00:22:41,919
Speaker 1: one of your wing players, and then you lose another

431
00:22:41,920 --> 00:22:45,920
Speaker 1: one to to leukemia. That's that's that's totally fair. Um,

432
00:22:46,000 --> 00:22:48,440
Speaker 1: you and I have both said, man, Villanova shoots too

433
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,520
Speaker 1: many threes, and yet gosh, they made a bunch of

434
00:22:51,560 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: threes in their second in their second round win. We

435
00:22:55,080 --> 00:22:58,520
Speaker 1: look at how the tournament is kind of sha changing

436
00:22:58,560 --> 00:23:01,679
Speaker 1: and evolving in the brackets are opening up. Has this

437
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:05,200
Speaker 1: become their tournament to win? I don't think there's any question.

438
00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: I'm telling you they're gonna have a tough time this week.

439
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,480
Speaker 1: But but you know, Bob Hogan's I think he's gonna

440
00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 1: have to make an adjustice. He's gonna come out and

441
00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,080
Speaker 1: press these guys big broke and uh and and not

442
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 1: because of Jalen Bronx. Yeah. The thing that beats pressure,

443
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:20,520
Speaker 1: as you know, is having guys to throw the ball

444
00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:22,119
Speaker 1: up the court too. When you get doubled in the

445
00:23:22,160 --> 00:23:25,240
Speaker 1: back court. That's the thing that hurts pressure and Villanova

446
00:23:25,280 --> 00:23:27,359
Speaker 1: has too many playmakers up there. But getting back to

447
00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: what he says, absolutely the way they're playing right now,

448
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:32,960
Speaker 1: and you know what, let's say this, Yes they made up.

449
00:23:33,000 --> 00:23:35,160
Speaker 1: They made a ton of three has been against Alabama.

450
00:23:35,280 --> 00:23:36,879
Speaker 1: You know what I was most impressed with. But I

451
00:23:36,920 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 1: thought their hair court defense was tremendous in that game.

452
00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:43,680
Speaker 1: I think they're getting better defense foot lap. Great stuff.

453
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Speaker 1: As always, get on your plane and thanks much for

454
00:23:45,720 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: jus on all. Chris Beer joins us on the Doug

455
00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,720
Speaker 1: Gottli Show. Christ how are you doing good? Dog? Good?

456
00:23:53,760 --> 00:23:56,919
Speaker 1: Hear your voice man like likewise, Um, what's this been

457
00:23:56,960 --> 00:23:59,880
Speaker 1: like this year as opposed to the Arkansas? A little

458
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:04,800
Speaker 1: good question. Um, you know, every journey is different, every

459
00:24:04,800 --> 00:24:09,280
Speaker 1: team is different. Uh. The common thing is just so

460
00:24:09,600 --> 00:24:11,879
Speaker 1: like happy just to be still hooping. You know that

461
00:24:12,080 --> 00:24:15,359
Speaker 1: sixteen teams left and we get to practice today. We

462
00:24:15,400 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 1: get to be around our guys like at the core

463
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:19,920
Speaker 1: of it, you know, like that that's what it's all about.

464
00:24:20,000 --> 00:24:22,919
Speaker 1: And I know it's such a big deal, but the

465
00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:24,720
Speaker 1: bottom lineage you get to play again, you get to

466
00:24:24,760 --> 00:24:27,159
Speaker 1: practice again, you get to you know, get on your

467
00:24:27,160 --> 00:24:30,320
Speaker 1: guys one more time. It's fun to play in Dallas

468
00:24:30,359 --> 00:24:32,560
Speaker 1: in front of so many alums, but to play such

469
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,200
Speaker 1: a hard fought game in round one. What what was

470
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Speaker 1: it like to come out and play Florida in the

471
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,760
Speaker 1: second round. He know, it's a lot, a lot, a

472
00:24:41,760 --> 00:24:44,919
Speaker 1: lot like back to backs in the Big Twelve. Um,

473
00:24:45,119 --> 00:24:47,560
Speaker 1: we thought Stephen f Austin was a like like a

474
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:50,680
Speaker 1: Big twelve team. I would agree with you. Uh, they're

475
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:52,719
Speaker 1: really good. And it's not just about this team, it's

476
00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,439
Speaker 1: about the tradition. And you know, there was guys on

477
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: the court there that had won in SA tournament games.

478
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Speaker 1: We don't have anybody on our team that it one

479
00:25:00,119 --> 00:25:03,080
Speaker 1: an into a tournament game. So um, I thought that

480
00:25:03,119 --> 00:25:06,240
Speaker 1: game actually helped us bet Florida. You know, I don't

481
00:25:06,240 --> 00:25:08,000
Speaker 1: know if we win the second game if we don't

482
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,600
Speaker 1: have a really tough game in the first one. And

483
00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 1: basically the Stephen Foston game, I would agree that it

484
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:16,040
Speaker 1: was like a one possession game. So it was Perdue's waiting.

485
00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: And I'm sure the last team Perdue ever wants to

486
00:25:18,720 --> 00:25:21,280
Speaker 1: see is when you coach, because that was when you

487
00:25:21,320 --> 00:25:23,679
Speaker 1: were in Arkansas, Little Rock, that was the team that

488
00:25:23,720 --> 00:25:26,639
Speaker 1: you took down. I know there you know there's a

489
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:29,120
Speaker 1: lot of similar pieces, right that the seniors were all

490
00:25:29,240 --> 00:25:32,159
Speaker 1: on that team. How much of what you want to

491
00:25:32,200 --> 00:25:34,360
Speaker 1: do is in any way similar to what you want

492
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:38,800
Speaker 1: to do last time he took one. Uh yeah, definitely

493
00:25:38,840 --> 00:25:41,399
Speaker 1: similarities to me, because produce is gonna be, you know,

494
00:25:41,440 --> 00:25:43,919
Speaker 1: a team that has great size and great bigs and

495
00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:47,360
Speaker 1: whether Hose plays or not, which I think you will,

496
00:25:47,480 --> 00:25:49,920
Speaker 1: you know we're gonna have to figure out a way

497
00:25:49,960 --> 00:25:53,000
Speaker 1: to contend with that, both on offense and defense. I

498
00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,400
Speaker 1: think to two different games. Though. I don't think anybody

499
00:25:55,440 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: Indiana scared of me, but you know, I'm glad. I

500
00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,000
Speaker 1: think they're glad that Josh Hagen's Roger Woods aren't gonna

501
00:26:01,040 --> 00:26:04,320
Speaker 1: be playing plus Um, but you know I won't score

502
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:07,720
Speaker 1: basket Friday night, but um, you know our players have

503
00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:09,680
Speaker 1: to do that. But I think, you know, all these

504
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: games in the tournament or all have little subplots and

505
00:26:13,000 --> 00:26:15,959
Speaker 1: cool things and stuff, and I think this is just

506
00:26:16,000 --> 00:26:19,240
Speaker 1: another example. But we've had so much respect for Matt Painter.

507
00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I tell people that's all the time. It's

508
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,000
Speaker 1: very easy for me to describe Matt like he's the

509
00:26:24,040 --> 00:26:27,440
Speaker 1: exact same guy today. To me, that he was when

510
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,600
Speaker 1: he was an assistant in southern Illinois. You know, like

511
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:32,000
Speaker 1: we were drinking draft beer in the back of some

512
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 1: bar now, you know, I mean, I guess it's Heineken

513
00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:37,960
Speaker 1: now and in the front bar. But he's still the

514
00:26:38,000 --> 00:26:41,840
Speaker 1: same guy. And he's been unbelievable to me. And then

515
00:26:41,840 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 1: I tell guys to like, you know, your true character

516
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,280
Speaker 1: comes out in adversity and all that that's true. I mean,

517
00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:49,479
Speaker 1: that's such an accurate statement. And when we were fortunate

518
00:26:49,600 --> 00:26:51,520
Speaker 1: enough at Little Rock to win that game, I mean,

519
00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:54,760
Speaker 1: let's be honest, we got lucky down the stretch. We

520
00:26:54,760 --> 00:26:57,399
Speaker 1: were really fortunate that thing had to go exactly the

521
00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,680
Speaker 1: way it did for us to win. He talked about

522
00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,119
Speaker 1: a great this guy. I mean, like I'll never forget it.

523
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,760
Speaker 1: Like when you go to the press conference after the game,

524
00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,639
Speaker 1: the tournament is a holding area, and so we got

525
00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,280
Speaker 1: we literally crossed again, and Matt's like the same and

526
00:27:10,359 --> 00:27:13,200
Speaker 1: he's just like the same guy that congratulated me, took

527
00:27:13,240 --> 00:27:15,600
Speaker 1: time out to talk to our guys, Hagan's and Roger.

528
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:18,320
Speaker 1: I've had so much respect for him on the basketball

529
00:27:18,359 --> 00:27:21,119
Speaker 1: side and also as a person. You know, there's I

530
00:27:21,160 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: think there's complicting narratives, Chris. I think there's a narrative

531
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,720
Speaker 1: from people in my business that cover the sport and fans,

532
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,880
Speaker 1: and there's a narrative kind of inside the sports. There's

533
00:27:30,920 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: all this talk about about guys that do it the

534
00:27:33,480 --> 00:27:37,679
Speaker 1: wrong way, and for whatever reason, there's not enough I

535
00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,520
Speaker 1: don't know, affirmation of the success for guys that do

536
00:27:40,560 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: it the right way. You know, Like, look when you

537
00:27:43,080 --> 00:27:46,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like the it's like professional lawyer, Like there's

538
00:27:46,520 --> 00:27:49,000
Speaker 1: there's millions of really good lawyers out there. But when

539
00:27:49,000 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 1: you say like you're a lawyer, like, uh, you just

540
00:27:51,119 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 1: say you're a basketball coach. Al right, Like because of

541
00:27:55,119 --> 00:27:57,960
Speaker 1: because of the scandal that has kind of put a

542
00:27:58,000 --> 00:28:01,240
Speaker 1: cloud over the sport, it feels like suddenly that becomes

543
00:28:01,240 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: a bad word. But I look at your growth as

544
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,920
Speaker 1: a professional from Incarnent Word to Abilene Christian to North

545
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:13,399
Speaker 1: Texas to Fort Scott to Seminal State to McMurray to

546
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:17,439
Speaker 1: Angelo State, two Little Rock Uh to Tech, and I'm like, look,

547
00:28:17,520 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 1: this is what the sport is about. Do it the

548
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:22,000
Speaker 1: right way. Coach ball, get guys to play hard, win

549
00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: games and have a cold beer afterwards and tell stories

550
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,679
Speaker 1: about it, Right, like what what's your sense of the

551
00:28:27,760 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 1: conflicting narratives in how the sport is viewed and how

552
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:36,560
Speaker 1: the sport is actually practiced. Yeah, well stated verbalize that perfect.

553
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: I think you know what they it comes to minds.

554
00:28:39,520 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: I think, like you know, its controversy and like spicy

555
00:28:42,520 --> 00:28:45,000
Speaker 1: stuff is what sells and not the good articles. But

556
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 1: it's also just like a pureness to like, you know,

557
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:49,680
Speaker 1: a lot of the good parts of our game. And

558
00:28:50,400 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 1: like my girlfriend Randy, she watches a lot of these

559
00:28:54,360 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: like uh reality shows, and like i'd be lying to

560
00:28:57,920 --> 00:28:59,560
Speaker 1: you if I didn't tell you. Sometimes I'll sit down

561
00:28:59,560 --> 00:29:02,320
Speaker 1: and kind of it engaged room, like the housewives and stuff.

562
00:29:02,840 --> 00:29:04,360
Speaker 1: And if you look on there, I mean every one

563
00:29:04,400 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: of those uh women have something going on. I mean

564
00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,040
Speaker 1: none of them are just like happily married. Everything's rocking around.

565
00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,720
Speaker 1: I mean it's like, you know, it's like just like

566
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,680
Speaker 1: the spicy stuff sells, you know, the stuff is kind

567
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:17,560
Speaker 1: of on the dark side. That's what people kind of

568
00:29:18,240 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: it's what entertains people. But I would agree with you

569
00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:23,280
Speaker 1: to me, like I'd like to watch the reality show

570
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: of like a couple of people that are married and

571
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: doing it the right way and you know, because I

572
00:29:27,840 --> 00:29:30,760
Speaker 1: think there's beauty and that too. I mean, like for me,

573
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,280
Speaker 1: that's where real happiness comes from. And I would tell

574
00:29:33,280 --> 00:29:36,080
Speaker 1: you that in basketball too. I mean to me, I've

575
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:37,840
Speaker 1: been on all sides of it, you know, like I've

576
00:29:37,840 --> 00:29:40,320
Speaker 1: been like a junior college coach. I saw everybody coming

577
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:43,240
Speaker 1: and recruit our players. Now I've competed at all these

578
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,760
Speaker 1: different levels, and I'm telling you that most guys are

579
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 1: doing it right. I mean, most of us are out

580
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 1: there trying to, you know, get it done. I mean,

581
00:29:50,680 --> 00:29:53,479
Speaker 1: um and and I put produced program right there, like

582
00:29:53,920 --> 00:29:57,560
Speaker 1: Matt Painter recruited our players and we've recruited against him.

583
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,080
Speaker 1: Um and so I would tell you that he's one

584
00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,320
Speaker 1: of the best coaches in our game, that that just

585
00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:06,080
Speaker 1: does everything everything right. Keen Evans is an absolute star.

586
00:30:06,200 --> 00:30:09,360
Speaker 1: He's had an incredible season. Obviously, you inherited him from

587
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:12,600
Speaker 1: from Tubby staff. Uh what about him from a guy

588
00:30:12,600 --> 00:30:16,040
Speaker 1: who watches him every day, watches every tape, coaches every game.

589
00:30:16,400 --> 00:30:21,440
Speaker 1: What about Keen Evans impresses even you? Probably the consistency, um.

590
00:30:21,480 --> 00:30:24,480
Speaker 1: You know, he's always been a talented guy, um, but

591
00:30:24,560 --> 00:30:26,640
Speaker 1: certainly last year to get himself in the category as

592
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: a junior, where's an All Big twelve player? To me,

593
00:30:29,640 --> 00:30:32,040
Speaker 1: that equals consistency. Like just the other day when I

594
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: had the ballots in front of me and you're trying

595
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:36,680
Speaker 1: to pick the players, every one of them is a

596
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 1: all conference talent. So what I do is I blot

597
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:41,520
Speaker 1: the stat sheets and I start really thinking about it,

598
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 1: and I just look at consistency um. You know, Like

599
00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:47,440
Speaker 1: to me, way to Kansas State was an All conference

600
00:30:47,480 --> 00:30:50,160
Speaker 1: player in our league because how consistent he is. There's

601
00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 1: other guys as talent his way, but Way, to me,

602
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:54,800
Speaker 1: he's a first team All Conference guy because as it is,

603
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:58,000
Speaker 1: consistency um. And I would say the same thing with Keenan,

604
00:30:58,080 --> 00:31:00,240
Speaker 1: Like what he's been able to do now this year.

605
00:31:00,520 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 1: He's getting the best team's defender, he's getting game plans,

606
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,000
Speaker 1: but he's still you know, he's able to make plays

607
00:31:06,040 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 1: on both ends the floor. And and to me, ultimately,

608
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:10,320
Speaker 1: you know, I've never been in the NBA, and I

609
00:31:10,360 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: hope bill, but I would I would assume the consistency

610
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:14,640
Speaker 1: is a big, big part of it too, with an

611
00:31:14,640 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: eighty something game season, And to me, that's why I

612
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:19,480
Speaker 1: think Keenan Evans is an NBA player you know that

613
00:31:19,560 --> 00:31:22,080
Speaker 1: there's your story. At some point, your storyould be a

614
00:31:22,080 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: great like thirty for thirty right because you were going

615
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: to be the coach at UNLV. Then the Texas Tech

616
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,040
Speaker 1: thing came open. And for people who don't know, you know,

617
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: you're divorced out of three girls and they live now

618
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:35,480
Speaker 1: driving distance away from Texas Tech. It just kind of

619
00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:38,080
Speaker 1: this is this is like one for you for now.

620
00:31:38,680 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: Texas Tech isn't a destination job for a lot of

621
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 1: people on Earth, but for you, it absolutely is. It

622
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:49,280
Speaker 1: makes it different to to achieve success and maybe sustainable

623
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,560
Speaker 1: success at tech for you? Is that that that fair? Yeah? Absolutely?

624
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:57,240
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, like there's different programs and

625
00:31:57,280 --> 00:31:59,760
Speaker 1: players and coaches having success right now, and I think

626
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 1: that success will lead places in different directions and human

627
00:32:03,800 --> 00:32:06,360
Speaker 1: beings in different directions. For us, we just want this

628
00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:09,280
Speaker 1: to set success to continue to lead us to that

629
00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,360
Speaker 1: last Monday night and certainly this year that would be

630
00:32:12,400 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 1: awesome and everything has to go right for something like

631
00:32:15,360 --> 00:32:18,120
Speaker 1: that to happen. But hey, you know, we got a chance.

632
00:32:18,120 --> 00:32:20,960
Speaker 1: We're want of sixteen teams left. We'll take our odds,

633
00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:24,000
Speaker 1: but ultimately want the success that we have this year

634
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 1: to kind of spring borders to the next year in

635
00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:29,720
Speaker 1: the year after, and you know, it's about recruiting. At

636
00:32:29,760 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 1: this level, it's about players, and then ultimately it's just

637
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 1: about you. I think it's about tradition to it's like, uh,

638
00:32:35,520 --> 00:32:36,680
Speaker 1: you know, we just want to be one of those

639
00:32:36,680 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: teams it's not known for the Sweet sixteen several years ago.

640
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 1: We want to be a team that you know, gets

641
00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:44,840
Speaker 1: to this point. Like I told the guys this morning,

642
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:47,640
Speaker 1: like you know, they're not having a party right now

643
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:52,720
Speaker 1: in Lawrence, Kansas, or in Durham, North Carolina, or in Lexington, Kentucky,

644
00:32:53,160 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: because they're in the Sweet sixteen. You know, they're getting

645
00:32:55,280 --> 00:32:57,960
Speaker 1: prepared for the next game. Their parties happened at the

646
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: Final four. So you know, as much as we all

647
00:33:00,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 1: kind of want to have a little moment right now,

648
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: I mean, let's let's keep this thing rolling and then

649
00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:07,120
Speaker 1: we'll see if we can't, you know, get ourselves in

650
00:33:07,160 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 1: the class of those kinds of schools. That's what we

651
00:33:09,240 --> 00:33:11,160
Speaker 1: want to do. We want to be just like Keenan

652
00:33:11,200 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 1: Evans has become consistent. We want to be consistent with

653
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:15,960
Speaker 1: our program. But how do you do that. I talked

654
00:33:15,960 --> 00:33:17,560
Speaker 1: with Matt Painter about this, and I actually talked with

655
00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:19,520
Speaker 1: Jay right both on this show about it and that

656
00:33:20,080 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: j when he went to the Final four the first time,

657
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,640
Speaker 1: he said, look what we got into homes we couldn't

658
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:26,600
Speaker 1: get into We had the top recruiting class in the country,

659
00:33:26,600 --> 00:33:29,200
Speaker 1: but all of a sudden, we weren't getting our type

660
00:33:29,200 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: of guys. Matt Painter said the same thing. You go

661
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:33,720
Speaker 1: back a couple of years ago when they struggled, they

662
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:35,520
Speaker 1: you know, they had to get their type of guys,

663
00:33:35,520 --> 00:33:37,840
Speaker 1: and they've refocused and that's how they've they've gotten so good.

664
00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,760
Speaker 1: How do you balance the fact that because now Texas

665
00:33:40,840 --> 00:33:44,240
Speaker 1: Tech is back on the national map and you know,

666
00:33:44,360 --> 00:33:46,840
Speaker 1: you look, you got two stud freshmen, But how do

667
00:33:46,880 --> 00:33:49,320
Speaker 1: you continue to get your type of guys even if

668
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:53,520
Speaker 1: you can get maybe higher, higher rated recruits. Yeah, I

669
00:33:53,560 --> 00:33:57,239
Speaker 1: think to yourself, and we'll always be that here and

670
00:33:57,680 --> 00:33:59,880
Speaker 1: getting guys you know, the love basketball. I want to be.

671
00:34:00,000 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 1: Oh don't want to play team basketball, but certainly to

672
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 1: get in that next, you know kind of category of

673
00:34:04,800 --> 00:34:09,560
Speaker 1: players like we like we did with Zaire and Jared Cooler. Um.

674
00:34:09,600 --> 00:34:11,759
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not I'm not complaining about that. We

675
00:34:11,800 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 1: want to coach the best players, but we always want

676
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: to get guys that fit our culture too, And I

677
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:18,960
Speaker 1: think that exists because I, you know, again kind of

678
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 1: what we're talking about earlier with the you know, the

679
00:34:21,120 --> 00:34:24,640
Speaker 1: kind of the controversy seals um. You know, obviously, I

680
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:26,640
Speaker 1: think in the top Hunter top deal, you're gonna get

681
00:34:26,640 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: your guys that are kind of looking for more of

682
00:34:28,160 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: a me situation. And maybe I'm naive, like maybe I

683
00:34:31,160 --> 00:34:33,400
Speaker 1: don't know, but I still think the majority of guys

684
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:35,799
Speaker 1: want to be coached. The majority guys want to be

685
00:34:35,840 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: on good teams. The majority guys want to play unselfish basketball.

686
00:34:39,760 --> 00:34:41,759
Speaker 1: And I really believe that, and I think it the

687
00:34:41,800 --> 00:34:44,640
Speaker 1: best players that I've coached. You know, andre Emmett was

688
00:34:44,640 --> 00:34:46,520
Speaker 1: an NBA players other him is one of the best

689
00:34:46,520 --> 00:34:49,560
Speaker 1: team players I've ever been around. Great teammate. We had

690
00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,000
Speaker 1: Marshall Henderson here in Texas Tech. I recruited him and

691
00:34:52,040 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: he was sitting out here and then when we got fired,

692
00:34:54,600 --> 00:34:57,720
Speaker 1: he transferred. But you know, with everything with Marshall Henderson,

693
00:34:57,760 --> 00:35:00,480
Speaker 1: I promise you this, he was a great team He

694
00:35:00,640 --> 00:35:03,279
Speaker 1: wanted to be coached, and I'm sure Annie Kennedy would

695
00:35:03,280 --> 00:35:06,000
Speaker 1: tell you the same thing. So we're looking forward and

696
00:35:06,040 --> 00:35:10,440
Speaker 1: we're enjoying recruiting success right now because of our team success.

697
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,080
Speaker 1: But at the end of the day, we'll always be

698
00:35:12,120 --> 00:35:13,960
Speaker 1: who we are and get guys that fit all right.

699
00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:17,640
Speaker 1: Last thing, if you have that Final four party, okay,

700
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 1: that means you get to the Final four. Now we

701
00:35:19,360 --> 00:35:23,239
Speaker 1: can have a celebration. What what what local establishment in

702
00:35:23,360 --> 00:35:26,120
Speaker 1: Lubbock would you call the watering hole of choice of

703
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:28,799
Speaker 1: Chris Pierre. Well, first we got to hang out in

704
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: San Antonio on the way home for that. When we're

705
00:35:30,680 --> 00:35:34,320
Speaker 1: gonna go to the Minger Hotel, the Minger Bar in Hotel.

706
00:35:34,400 --> 00:35:36,640
Speaker 1: Gary P. Nunn has got a song about it tradition.

707
00:35:36,800 --> 00:35:40,480
Speaker 1: It's it's a big time google that one entertain you. Uh.

708
00:35:40,600 --> 00:35:43,160
Speaker 1: Then when we get back to Lubbock, you know, again,

709
00:35:43,640 --> 00:35:46,000
Speaker 1: although we'll probably be getting invites from all the people,

710
00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:50,759
Speaker 1: we gotta stay true to ourselves. Um, we gotta go

711
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,840
Speaker 1: over to four where we've been doing some postgame Uh,

712
00:35:54,040 --> 00:35:56,880
Speaker 1: you know, situations with our team this year, and the

713
00:35:56,920 --> 00:35:58,879
Speaker 1: guys over the Lantern have been great to me. It's

714
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: where I eat late at night. Um. And then there

715
00:36:01,760 --> 00:36:04,040
Speaker 1: might be another one or two, but just kind of

716
00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 1: hesitates starting to mention and you know then you pist.

717
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:08,719
Speaker 1: Somebody go yeah, I understand, and and are you Heineken?

718
00:36:08,760 --> 00:36:11,080
Speaker 1: Now like really did you go? Do you go Heineken

719
00:36:11,120 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 1: on me? I would say a painter might be not me?

720
00:36:14,360 --> 00:36:17,680
Speaker 1: Not me? You are what well? I mean above BA Like,

721
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,680
Speaker 1: if I have a choice between a draft beer and

722
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: a bottle, I'm going to draft. It's just me Chris

723
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Pier draft beer at four Love of Texas Minger Hotel

724
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:29,759
Speaker 1: in San in San Antonio. Hopefully we'll we'll have that

725
00:36:29,800 --> 00:36:32,520
Speaker 1: beer in San Antonio with you guys playing there. Uh.

726
00:36:32,520 --> 00:36:35,600
Speaker 1: Safe travels to um to Boston. I know, I know

727
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 1: Boston not necessarily normally your cup of tea. But good

728
00:36:38,000 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 1: people up there up above the Mason Dixon. We'll talk

729
00:36:40,280 --> 00:36:45,920
Speaker 1: to it. Okay, Welcome to my brother Greg. Greg Gottlieb

730
00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:48,680
Speaker 1: is an assistant head coach assistant. Greg gotliber is an

731
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:52,520
Speaker 1: assistant coach at Oregon State. He's previously been at cal

732
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:56,080
Speaker 1: Berkeley for six years. Was at Sandy State for eight years?

733
00:36:56,719 --> 00:36:59,160
Speaker 1: Was that sack State for two years? Was it cow

734
00:36:59,360 --> 00:37:01,839
Speaker 1: Poli saying it's subissful? For two years? I can't hold

735
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,480
Speaker 1: on to a job at this damn problem anyway, he

736
00:37:04,640 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 1: joins us, What up, dude? How goes it? It goes? Well?

737
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:10,080
Speaker 1: All right, here's what I want in terms of your insight.

738
00:37:10,600 --> 00:37:14,120
Speaker 1: You're gonna have to defend the honor of the Pack twelve. Uh,

739
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:16,360
Speaker 1: You're going to have to give me your honest assessment

740
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:20,040
Speaker 1: of the little things that you've seen in the n

741
00:37:20,160 --> 00:37:23,680
Speaker 1: c A tournament from a completely inside the actual sport

742
00:37:23,760 --> 00:37:26,440
Speaker 1: perspective that the rest of us that just cover the

743
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,160
Speaker 1: sport or fans think they know about the sport. And

744
00:37:29,239 --> 00:37:31,760
Speaker 1: then I want to talk about how recruiting actually works.

745
00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:34,440
Speaker 1: All right, So that's kind of the premise of of

746
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:37,479
Speaker 1: you entering joining us here on all ball. Let's start

747
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:40,360
Speaker 1: with the Pack twelve. What went so wrong for the

748
00:37:40,560 --> 00:37:45,040
Speaker 1: for the league? Well, um, good question. You know, I

749
00:37:45,160 --> 00:37:47,920
Speaker 1: think you know that I've been in the league now

750
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,799
Speaker 1: for eleven years. I've seen I've seen it at its

751
00:37:50,840 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 1: at best and you know at what it's quote unquote

752
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:57,880
Speaker 1: or so, what I can tell you is, really the

753
00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: games are hard to win, no matter how good the

754
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:03,640
Speaker 1: perception is of the league. Um, last year the league

755
00:38:03,680 --> 00:38:08,320
Speaker 1: was considered really good, but really there was four teams

756
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,560
Speaker 1: at the bottom that really struggled and everybody at the

757
00:38:10,640 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: top was they were able to beat him some now

758
00:38:12,280 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 1: side you get separation. That's what you really need in

759
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:18,239
Speaker 1: the league as you need separation. Um. I also think

760
00:38:18,520 --> 00:38:21,279
Speaker 1: in our league, if you look historically speaking, we have

761
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:24,279
Speaker 1: we have more teams and how guys move on to

762
00:38:24,360 --> 00:38:26,400
Speaker 1: the NBA than any other league in the country. So

763
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,640
Speaker 1: now you're you're talking about a lot of young teams

764
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:31,560
Speaker 1: early on in preseason only that's when you seem to

765
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 1: get judged the most. You can't really do a whole

766
00:38:33,640 --> 00:38:36,279
Speaker 1: lot of tang hole file in the league. It's kind

767
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,719
Speaker 1: of already set. Yeah, And part of it is I

768
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:42,240
Speaker 1: think there's a success assumption that only the top teams

769
00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: deal with guys thinking about moving on. But the truth

770
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:49,520
Speaker 1: is that like, look, you guys, you should have been

771
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:52,160
Speaker 1: better than five when you were sixteen and sixteen. Is

772
00:38:52,200 --> 00:38:54,960
Speaker 1: that your final record? I think yeah. And you guys

773
00:38:55,120 --> 00:38:57,560
Speaker 1: lead I think all but one game in the second half.

774
00:38:57,600 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: You lead all but one game in the Pact twelve

775
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: of and even the one the ones once you lost.

776
00:39:03,600 --> 00:39:05,319
Speaker 1: I mean, you're I think you're better than your record.

777
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: Just struggle to close games. But even with your team,

778
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:12,480
Speaker 1: there's the there are guys that are thinking about, you know,

779
00:39:12,800 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 1: can I get to the NBA Draft? Whereas I think

780
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 1: the perception is you only deal with that in Kentucky

781
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: or Caroline or Duke or Arizona, et cetera, as opposed

782
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 1: to in fact is every team is actually dealing with

783
00:39:24,400 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: it to a certain extent. Fair, no question, There's no

784
00:39:28,320 --> 00:39:32,439
Speaker 1: question about that. There's you know, kids forget that there's

785
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: only sixty draft spots and they're going to take something

786
00:39:35,040 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 1: from overseas. And when you mentioned you know of a

787
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:41,600
Speaker 1: kid who you know is a really good player doesn't

788
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: make it, they always think they're going to be the exception,

789
00:39:44,280 --> 00:39:46,960
Speaker 1: not the rule. My brother Greg, Greg got Lee from

790
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: Oregon State joining us here on the All Ball Podcast. Um,

791
00:39:52,040 --> 00:39:56,719
Speaker 1: how surprised were you to see Arizona go down? Maybe

792
00:39:56,719 --> 00:39:59,880
Speaker 1: not just lose, but the way in which they lost. Um,

793
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: you know, obviously I was surprised. I would have picked

794
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:04,440
Speaker 1: Arizona to win. I think they got a heck of

795
00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,880
Speaker 1: a team. Um, you know we lost to him, uh

796
00:40:08,320 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: twice this year at their place. I think we were

797
00:40:10,520 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: up five was five minutes ago and lost and then

798
00:40:13,360 --> 00:40:17,200
Speaker 1: we lost it over time at home. You know, as

799
00:40:17,280 --> 00:40:21,040
Speaker 1: has proven They're not the only team that you know,

800
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 1: we got to one seeds that are out right. You

801
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: know it can happen the Syracuse film. You've seen it

802
00:40:29,040 --> 00:40:32,120
Speaker 1: regular season. I remember you guys, Um, you were down

803
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: a guy, but you got stopped pretty good in New

804
00:40:34,160 --> 00:40:36,920
Speaker 1: York City. Uh, a couple years later you played there.

805
00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:39,799
Speaker 1: When you're a cow. What's the right way to beat it? Well,

806
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,440
Speaker 1: I think the first thing is, Um, you know, you're

807
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 1: gonna have to make some adjustments because when you you're

808
00:40:45,680 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 1: gonna put together a game plan for what you want

809
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,239
Speaker 1: to do. But you can't duplicate the fact that they

810
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:53,160
Speaker 1: have so much length and athleticism. And I think you've

811
00:40:53,200 --> 00:40:57,360
Speaker 1: talked about that before. You know, are recruiting to have

812
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: those kind of guys, especially on the back line there,

813
00:41:00,120 --> 00:41:02,759
Speaker 1: and but I just did anyone talks about playing through

814
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,279
Speaker 1: the high post, uh, where we usually had success. When

815
00:41:06,320 --> 00:41:09,320
Speaker 1: you're playing through the high post, is uh put a

816
00:41:09,360 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 1: guy in there who not only can shoot the ball there,

817
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 1: but he's gotta be able to attack and finish at

818
00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,760
Speaker 1: the rim. And when you start doing that, they'll collapse

819
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,040
Speaker 1: the other front court players and then you gotta you

820
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: gotta relocate your shooters so into the corners and then

821
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,200
Speaker 1: really get the defense stretched out. The other thing people

822
00:41:25,239 --> 00:41:26,839
Speaker 1: have done a lot of is running a little more

823
00:41:26,880 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 1: of a two guard front. Traditionally, the traditional school of

824
00:41:30,600 --> 00:41:32,759
Speaker 1: thought as if people defensively they go with the two

825
00:41:32,800 --> 00:41:34,960
Speaker 1: guard front, you go with on one man front and

826
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: vice versa. But in this scenario, I think it kind

827
00:41:38,040 --> 00:41:42,360
Speaker 1: of sometimes UM gets them playing almost in a matched

828
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: up man then. So those are some things we've done

829
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: in the past, but we never beat Syracuse. Uh. We

830
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:51,560
Speaker 1: had a lot. We had some competitive games, but we

831
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,000
Speaker 1: never could beat them. And we had some really good

832
00:41:54,080 --> 00:41:57,240
Speaker 1: games with Washington. We were two and one against Washington,

833
00:41:57,400 --> 00:42:00,359
Speaker 1: but they were all barn Burners. The two games we won,

834
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:02,560
Speaker 1: we're in both in overtime and then we go on

835
00:42:02,640 --> 00:42:04,600
Speaker 1: to fight two at their place. So a lot of

836
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:06,640
Speaker 1: respect for them, and I think it's a great uh

837
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:11,719
Speaker 1: because it forces a lot of teams. So you've got

838
00:42:11,800 --> 00:42:14,960
Speaker 1: to come up with something that you don't normally do offensively.

839
00:42:15,040 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: You can't can't do what you've been doing for thirty games. UM.

840
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 1: I want to ask you about Tony Bennett. Um like

841
00:42:21,440 --> 00:42:24,480
Speaker 1: a coach to coach. You watch what he's done at

842
00:42:24,520 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: Virginia you know what he did at Wazoo. You know

843
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:31,320
Speaker 1: that style so well? Uh? Is that pace of play?

844
00:42:31,800 --> 00:42:34,520
Speaker 1: Is the way in which Virginia plays is that ultimately

845
00:42:34,600 --> 00:42:37,719
Speaker 1: flawed and will keep them from winning it all? You know,

846
00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,440
Speaker 1: it's funny. Uh. First thing I would say is the

847
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,840
Speaker 1: coke analogy. You know. I mean, if you're Tony Bennett,

848
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: you know poke, you know why why do you need

849
00:42:47,640 --> 00:42:51,960
Speaker 1: to do coke working? You know? I mean I think

850
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 1: you're looking at the teams that you're talking about that

851
00:42:55,440 --> 00:42:59,719
Speaker 1: you gotta be they're beating in league play, and those

852
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:04,440
Speaker 1: game to me harder to win then conference tournament games generally.

853
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:06,799
Speaker 1: I mean, then nt A tournament games just because they

854
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:09,719
Speaker 1: know you're their personnel so well, they know each other

855
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:13,600
Speaker 1: so well, those are hard games to win. Um, And

856
00:43:14,080 --> 00:43:17,120
Speaker 1: I think it's pretty effective. I would I would say,

857
00:43:18,080 --> 00:43:21,120
Speaker 1: you know, U M b uh, you see played phenomenal.

858
00:43:21,200 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: They got a little bit of a lightning in a

859
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:25,440
Speaker 1: bottle as well. You know, I just think they kind

860
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:28,600
Speaker 1: of broke the game open by hitting a bunch of threes. Uh,

861
00:43:28,880 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: and that really changed the game. Okay, I wanted to

862
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:36,200
Speaker 1: ask you about about recruiting. This also is probably just

863
00:43:36,320 --> 00:43:40,560
Speaker 1: one other thing Yeah, it's also possible that maybe the

864
00:43:40,640 --> 00:43:43,000
Speaker 1: reason that they're a sixteen seed be to one was

865
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:46,440
Speaker 1: because maybe they weren't a sixteen seed. Is that possible.

866
00:43:46,800 --> 00:43:49,279
Speaker 1: I mean, maybe they were worthy of a thirteen or

867
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:51,600
Speaker 1: fourteen or even a fifteen, but maybe they weren't really

868
00:43:51,640 --> 00:43:54,759
Speaker 1: a sixteen and and that might be the one of

869
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: the reasons why the first time I went off to

870
00:43:56,840 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: the sixteen. You know, but Ford Atlantic, Afflorida National flori

871
00:44:03,640 --> 00:44:05,399
Speaker 1: Atlantic beat us in our place. We had an that's

872
00:44:05,400 --> 00:44:08,239
Speaker 1: a much bigger upset, by the way than here. Only

873
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,920
Speaker 1: only give people for people don't know we had We

874
00:44:11,080 --> 00:44:15,040
Speaker 1: won eighty one consecutive nonconference home games these are guarantee games,

875
00:44:15,040 --> 00:44:17,080
Speaker 1: and played Florid Atlantic. They won five or six games.

876
00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:19,279
Speaker 1: There's actually it's actually I'm glad you brought that up.

877
00:44:19,600 --> 00:44:22,960
Speaker 1: They won five or six games that year. This is

878
00:44:23,040 --> 00:44:27,040
Speaker 1: in nineteen. I think they won five or six games.

879
00:44:27,160 --> 00:44:29,600
Speaker 1: One of them was at our place in the GALLAGHERI Arena,

880
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,040
Speaker 1: sold out. We had just we we went to Hawaii.

881
00:44:33,440 --> 00:44:35,680
Speaker 1: We beat Marquette in Hawaii back to back nights, won

882
00:44:35,760 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 1: that tournament, came back home, played TCU, who's ranked top

883
00:44:38,920 --> 00:44:40,480
Speaker 1: twenty in the country, beat them at our place and

884
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:42,680
Speaker 1: we're going out to play u C l A on

885
00:44:42,760 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: the weekend, and we played Florida Atlantic in a bye game,

886
00:44:45,960 --> 00:44:50,759
Speaker 1: and we only had four eligible guards on the roster,

887
00:44:51,800 --> 00:44:55,000
Speaker 1: and Glenn and Alexander's McDonald's all American at all time.

888
00:44:55,080 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: Lane Scordon State of Texas was eligible at semester like

889
00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:00,080
Speaker 1: three games later he was gonna be eligible. So we

890
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 1: only exchange had four guard guards on the roster. And

891
00:45:02,800 --> 00:45:05,919
Speaker 1: they came into our place and they ran a little

892
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,120
Speaker 1: flex and then at the end of the shot clock

893
00:45:08,640 --> 00:45:11,000
Speaker 1: they give it to whoever our center was guarding and

894
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:13,400
Speaker 1: go one four flat, you know, or the wey go

895
00:45:13,520 --> 00:45:15,480
Speaker 1: high ball screen and then they throw it back to

896
00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:17,719
Speaker 1: the center. And their center was, you know, a wing,

897
00:45:17,920 --> 00:45:20,279
Speaker 1: you know, six ft four, six ft five, And we

898
00:45:20,400 --> 00:45:22,560
Speaker 1: were up a couple of points at the half, and

899
00:45:22,680 --> 00:45:25,480
Speaker 1: then you know, I gotta I gotta technical foul after

900
00:45:25,640 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: turn over the bucket. We got down seven, fought all

901
00:45:27,840 --> 00:45:30,200
Speaker 1: the fought all the way back to like tying the game,

902
00:45:31,040 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 1: and we we gotta stop first, we gotta stop. And

903
00:45:34,560 --> 00:45:37,120
Speaker 1: they threw in the post and Alex Webber kicked the ball.

904
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: It reset it all the way back to thirty five,

905
00:45:39,560 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 1: we get another stop, we get a rebound. Joe Atkins

906
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: are to guard, rebounds the basketball. I'm standing at the

907
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:48,520
Speaker 1: hash mark for an outlet pass, and he instead of

908
00:45:48,640 --> 00:45:51,880
Speaker 1: just passing it, he dribbles the ball twice and one

909
00:45:51,920 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: of their players falls down trying to run back on defense.

910
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: It hits off his foot, rolls underneath their basket, and

911
00:45:57,719 --> 00:45:59,920
Speaker 1: one of the big guys that wasn't back on defense

912
00:46:00,000 --> 00:46:01,719
Speaker 1: picks it up and lays it in and they beat

913
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: us by two points. Like that, to me was a

914
00:46:04,320 --> 00:46:08,120
Speaker 1: way bigger up considering Virginia. And here's the similarity. They

915
00:46:08,200 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: didn't have DeAndre Hunter, who's their most versatile kind of

916
00:46:11,600 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 1: three four hybrid player, and you know U NBC is

917
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:18,680
Speaker 1: playing small ball, spreads them out, finds the mismatches a

918
00:46:18,800 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 1: taxas mismatches, shoots twelve of twenty four as you point out,

919
00:46:22,239 --> 00:46:24,759
Speaker 1: from three point range, catches a heater, and ends up

920
00:46:24,800 --> 00:46:28,040
Speaker 1: pulling what's what's deemed to be the greatest upset in

921
00:46:28,120 --> 00:46:31,520
Speaker 1: n c A tournament history. Now Virginia without DeAndre Hunter,

922
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 1: and remember they didn't play a true double round robin

923
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,319
Speaker 1: schedule in the A c C. I don't know if

924
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,280
Speaker 1: they would have been a one seed, but they weren't

925
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:41,240
Speaker 1: a one seed as they were comprised that day. UNBC

926
00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,440
Speaker 1: had lost early in the year to Albany by forty. Um, so,

927
00:46:45,640 --> 00:46:48,640
Speaker 1: I I guess there is sixteen, but maybe closer to

928
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:51,440
Speaker 1: a fifteen if you actually look at their personnel or

929
00:46:51,480 --> 00:46:53,759
Speaker 1: a fourteen, And yeah, it's a little bit closer. But

930
00:46:54,040 --> 00:46:56,560
Speaker 1: sixteen beating a one is still something we hadn't seen before,

931
00:46:57,440 --> 00:47:00,360
Speaker 1: no question. But you know, again, this is a I

932
00:47:00,400 --> 00:47:03,640
Speaker 1: guess that's the beauty of the NK Tournament. But um,

933
00:47:03,760 --> 00:47:07,440
Speaker 1: you know, even going back to Arizona, I mean Arizona Buffalo,

934
00:47:08,040 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: those fifteen for thirty from three, I mean, I uh,

935
00:47:11,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: if you look up this year, I don't know how

936
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:17,160
Speaker 1: many teams hit fifteen threes in a game, especially fift

937
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 1: team for thirty from three and lost. You know. And

938
00:47:20,840 --> 00:47:24,520
Speaker 1: so sometimes, like I said, a team gets lightning in

939
00:47:24,560 --> 00:47:27,200
Speaker 1: a bottle and they make shots that they don't uh

940
00:47:27,560 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 1: normally make. But that's what makes the tournament so great,

941
00:47:30,960 --> 00:47:35,319
Speaker 1: you know. They the committee has changed their criteria year

942
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:38,279
Speaker 1: to year, They've changed a lot of other things. To you,

943
00:47:39,080 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 1: it definitely makes it hard for coaches if you're trying

944
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,840
Speaker 1: to plan an event, I guess and say, hey, we're

945
00:47:43,840 --> 00:47:48,000
Speaker 1: scheduling based on these kinds of things. Um. But at

946
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 1: the same time, I know the committee is trying their best. Uh,

947
00:47:51,960 --> 00:47:55,200
Speaker 1: it's not. It's not the same people every time and then,

948
00:47:55,640 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: and I know they're trying to evolve as well to

949
00:47:57,640 --> 00:47:59,640
Speaker 1: make it a great Tournament's still lack of a tournament.

950
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: But but both those teams, Arizona Virginia, they'll be back.

951
00:48:03,239 --> 00:48:07,000
Speaker 1: They're just they just will. So his history tells us

952
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:08,920
Speaker 1: as much. Okay, I want to ask you about recruiting.

953
00:48:09,360 --> 00:48:12,279
Speaker 1: You've been in this thing for twenty years. What's it

954
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,680
Speaker 1: really like? Let's here's here's one Alan krap Okay, he's

955
00:48:16,680 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: an NBA player. He's from Los Angeles. First time you

956
00:48:20,400 --> 00:48:23,200
Speaker 1: saw Alan krabbin the gym was ware. It was at

957
00:48:23,239 --> 00:48:26,880
Speaker 1: a tournament when he was just finishing his sophomore year

958
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 1: of high school. Okay, So how does it work? You

959
00:48:30,040 --> 00:48:32,759
Speaker 1: see him play and you write down notes and think,

960
00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: I'm gonna send this kid a letter. Do you go

961
00:48:35,440 --> 00:48:39,080
Speaker 1: see his a U coach, his high school coach? What what? What?

962
00:48:39,320 --> 00:48:41,840
Speaker 1: What do you what do you do next? Well? I

963
00:48:42,280 --> 00:48:45,760
Speaker 1: didn't see him first, you know, I think sometimes that happened.

964
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:49,040
Speaker 1: You get every kid is different. In this scenario, I

965
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:51,279
Speaker 1: had heard about him and one of some other kids

966
00:48:51,400 --> 00:48:54,880
Speaker 1: that were young prospects, and we knew we were going

967
00:48:54,920 --> 00:49:00,279
Speaker 1: to have five h kids in that class. We had five, UM,

968
00:49:00,680 --> 00:49:02,719
Speaker 1: I guess that we had five sophomores that would just

969
00:49:02,760 --> 00:49:06,359
Speaker 1: finish up their sophomore year. UM, when Mike Montgomery first

970
00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,919
Speaker 1: got the job in the spring, and so I knew

971
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: two years down the line we got we got a

972
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,279
Speaker 1: big class to field. So I started recruit you know,

973
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:18,120
Speaker 1: looking at UH. We'll get lists and different recruiting services

974
00:49:18,160 --> 00:49:20,960
Speaker 1: and things like that and calling different people. And Allen

975
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: played for UH, Mike Lynch at Price High School, and UM,

976
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,880
Speaker 1: he had a previous kid that we had recruited, but

977
00:49:30,040 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: we didn't. We didn't do it nonetheless. And UH, but

978
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:36,640
Speaker 1: I built a relationship with his coach and UH and

979
00:49:37,040 --> 00:49:41,800
Speaker 1: and sometimes some of it is evaluation, some some of it.

980
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,359
Speaker 1: You know, you have a what I call an army

981
00:49:44,600 --> 00:49:48,400
Speaker 1: of people that you trust that you build up relationships with.

982
00:49:48,600 --> 00:49:53,279
Speaker 1: And this at Price High School. UM, he's outlets out

983
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:58,160
Speaker 1: high school, but he was incredible at UM forecasting the

984
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,399
Speaker 1: potential of some of his kids. You know, he ended

985
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,120
Speaker 1: up having three or four other really good UM college

986
00:50:04,160 --> 00:50:09,400
Speaker 1: players after Allen as well, and he was just spot

987
00:50:09,480 --> 00:50:12,799
Speaker 1: on in terms of projecting where they would be. And uh,

988
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,160
Speaker 1: you know, Allan was six two or six three at

989
00:50:15,200 --> 00:50:17,920
Speaker 1: the time, but his dad played a couple of nine

990
00:50:18,000 --> 00:50:22,239
Speaker 1: and he knew his mom as well, and he had

991
00:50:22,239 --> 00:50:24,879
Speaker 1: a chance to grow. He could really shoot. We had

992
00:50:24,880 --> 00:50:29,239
Speaker 1: a junior day, junior day with his mom and uh,

993
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:32,719
Speaker 1: and then we saw him play a couple of times

994
00:50:32,800 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: in the fall, and then he committed Christmas Day of

995
00:50:34,960 --> 00:50:40,240
Speaker 1: his junior year. UM so and the rest of the history. Okay,

996
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,919
Speaker 1: so so then so the question becomes like, what has

997
00:50:44,840 --> 00:50:47,840
Speaker 1: what's the percentage of times in which somebody has that

998
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:51,719
Speaker 1: asked and somebody asked to be taken care of financially? Hey,

999
00:50:51,800 --> 00:50:54,200
Speaker 1: can what do we get when we get to when

1000
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 1: we get to campus at core Vallis, Ord Santego State

1001
00:50:57,200 --> 00:51:00,800
Speaker 1: or at cal How often have you been proposed proposition

1002
00:51:00,880 --> 00:51:04,399
Speaker 1: for money? Um, I don't think it happens as much

1003
00:51:04,440 --> 00:51:08,239
Speaker 1: as people think. I think, Uh, you can kind of

1004
00:51:08,680 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: set the tone with how you present yourself from the

1005
00:51:11,840 --> 00:51:16,760
Speaker 1: start and think for us, that's how we've approached everything

1006
00:51:16,920 --> 00:51:19,480
Speaker 1: is we talk about character and how important it is

1007
00:51:19,560 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 1: and recruiting the right kids and uh, but it'll happen

1008
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,160
Speaker 1: from time to time. But you know, I think the

1009
00:51:27,120 --> 00:51:31,399
Speaker 1: thing you have to do, Um, you know, if you're

1010
00:51:31,400 --> 00:51:33,439
Speaker 1: a coach and you're put in that situation, you've gotta

1011
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:35,360
Speaker 1: be willing to walk away from a kid like that,

1012
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, and um, because those are as bad news

1013
00:51:40,239 --> 00:51:44,080
Speaker 1: necessarily for me at least, I've just never subscribe to it.

1014
00:51:45,000 --> 00:51:47,879
Speaker 1: And uh so you know, I think sometimes you get

1015
00:51:47,960 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 1: some people that fish for that with their hands, but

1016
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:55,720
Speaker 1: I mean people or appreciate it, people that are genuinely

1017
00:51:55,760 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 1: honest and sin. That's just kind of the kids that

1018
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: we try and recruit. Think as you get older too

1019
00:52:01,280 --> 00:52:05,439
Speaker 1: and coaching, you realize character is such a huge part

1020
00:52:05,520 --> 00:52:08,360
Speaker 1: of the kids you're recruiting, and so I think, you know,

1021
00:52:09,120 --> 00:52:12,239
Speaker 1: some of that speaks to their character as well. So okay,

1022
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: give me a give me a is it? Can you

1023
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,800
Speaker 1: count on two hands? Is it a like? And and

1024
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: I mean have you known this twenty plus year? So

1025
00:52:19,719 --> 00:52:22,320
Speaker 1: I'd say it's probably been more than two hands. But

1026
00:52:23,280 --> 00:52:25,399
Speaker 1: you know, the kids that you kind of at least

1027
00:52:25,440 --> 00:52:31,279
Speaker 1: the rumors are that maybe that that they're looking for

1028
00:52:31,400 --> 00:52:36,000
Speaker 1: something you just kind of don't even put yourself in

1029
00:52:36,080 --> 00:52:40,279
Speaker 1: that position. You know, you don't recruit everybody. You know,

1030
00:52:40,400 --> 00:52:43,840
Speaker 1: your kids that you know you can get regardless of situation.

1031
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,759
Speaker 1: So if you feel like, for one reason or other

1032
00:52:45,760 --> 00:52:47,920
Speaker 1: you can't get them, you gotta move on. When you've

1033
00:52:47,960 --> 00:52:52,000
Speaker 1: been proposition, how they ask um, you know it would

1034
00:52:52,000 --> 00:52:54,680
Speaker 1: be it's start with something small, like if kids coming

1035
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:57,240
Speaker 1: up for an unofficial visits, they'd say, hey, you know coaching,

1036
00:52:57,840 --> 00:52:59,279
Speaker 1: you know, will you take care of us we get

1037
00:52:59,360 --> 00:53:02,000
Speaker 1: up there? You know, can you help us get up there?

1038
00:53:02,640 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: That kind of thing. That would be something They're always

1039
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: gonna start with something small. They're never gonna start off

1040
00:53:08,680 --> 00:53:14,520
Speaker 1: with hey, I need in an envelope, but it will

1041
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,800
Speaker 1: be something small like that, and you just shut it

1042
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: down right away, and and then and then you find

1043
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:22,719
Speaker 1: out if that's what or or does that cause you

1044
00:53:22,840 --> 00:53:24,960
Speaker 1: to want to shut down right away? Like I don't

1045
00:53:24,960 --> 00:53:27,839
Speaker 1: know how other people do their their business, but you don't.

1046
00:53:27,920 --> 00:53:30,000
Speaker 1: We don't have there's no funny business in our program.

1047
00:53:30,280 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: So you know, we gotta we do things the right way.

1048
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:39,200
Speaker 1: And you know, so sometimes people just look to see

1049
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:42,400
Speaker 1: if what they can Yet you know that's just happens.

1050
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:45,640
Speaker 1: I think it happens in any profession, in any I

1051
00:53:45,680 --> 00:53:49,560
Speaker 1: don't think it's just basketball, but that's kinds of things happened. Yeah,

1052
00:53:50,560 --> 00:53:52,799
Speaker 1: all right, man, Well listen, I appreciate you giving us

1053
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,960
Speaker 1: this insight. It's great, so awesome. And I know you're

1054
00:53:56,000 --> 00:53:57,400
Speaker 1: on your way to go and seeing a couple of

1055
00:53:57,480 --> 00:54:00,920
Speaker 1: high school kids and offering them hundreds of thousands of kidding,

1056
00:54:01,440 --> 00:54:04,200
Speaker 1: totally kidding. All right, So that's all ball. The Doug

1057
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:09,680
Speaker 1: Gottlieb Show Basketball Only Podcast Continua download it, continua listen.

1058
00:54:09,880 --> 00:54:11,719
Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it. Let me quickly give you

1059
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:15,520
Speaker 1: my picks for the Sweet sixteen and we'll see what

1060
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:19,040
Speaker 1: happens with the Elite eight. Kansas State has taken on Kentucky.

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Speaker 1: I think if Dean Wade plays this, Kansas a Kansas

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00:54:22,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: State team that I think will win the game. Um,

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00:54:24,880 --> 00:54:26,880
Speaker 1: they have very good guard play. Barry Brown is a

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Speaker 1: lights out shooter. Again, this is if Dean Wade places

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Speaker 1: and he said it was chance he plays. Wade is

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00:54:32,960 --> 00:54:35,360
Speaker 1: a stretch for it. They just have more skill than Kentucky.

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00:54:35,800 --> 00:54:38,080
Speaker 1: And yes, Bruce Weber has been maligned as a coach

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00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:40,960
Speaker 1: it's a very good basketball coach. He's evolved his style.

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Speaker 1: It's not necessarily shot of Kentucky. I like this Kentucky

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00:54:43,719 --> 00:54:46,200
Speaker 1: team and what Calipari has done. I just don't think

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00:54:46,200 --> 00:54:48,960
Speaker 1: they have enough offense to beat Case State. Louis Chicago

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Speaker 1: taken on Nevada, but Porter Moser has done an amazing job.

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Speaker 1: But they were dead to rights beaten uh By Tennessee

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Speaker 1: Tennessee more more athletic. This is a Nevada team that

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Speaker 1: doesn't have a bunch of depth. I don't think the

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Speaker 1: depth affects them. I think Nevada wins that game and

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Speaker 1: one game depth doesn't really affect unless you get into

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Speaker 1: foul trouble. On the other hand, Nevada was down twenty

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Speaker 1: two for a reason, but a completely different level of athlete,

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Speaker 1: style of athlete. You've got the small ball of lot

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Speaker 1: of Chicago and frankly Nevada playing without a point guard. Um,

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Speaker 1: but I like Nevada to win that game. Florida State

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Speaker 1: taking on good Zaga. I respect this Florida State team.

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Speaker 1: They've been all over the map though in terms of

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00:55:26,480 --> 00:55:28,719
Speaker 1: their performances, and I think good Zaga a little bit

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00:55:28,719 --> 00:55:31,239
Speaker 1: too much skill, a little bit more refined. Michigan TEXTA,

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Speaker 1: A and M is fascinating because Michigan plays small and

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00:55:34,200 --> 00:55:37,520
Speaker 1: A and M plays big, And I've learned that small

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00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: usually beats big. But I also think that sometimes better

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Speaker 1: players win the game. Ah, this is a hard one.

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Speaker 1: I'll go with A and M to win. To win.

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Speaker 1: Billy Kennedy kind of underrated coach. Not that John Beelin

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00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,239
Speaker 1: is not as good as anybody who's ever done it.

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Speaker 1: Nova taken on West Virginia. West Virginias should scare Villanova

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Speaker 1: on the boards. But outside of that, Villanova because NAT

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Speaker 1: can't standerneath the basket and block shots. They invert their offense.

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Speaker 1: Big playing outside, Jalen Brunson playing inside. I really like

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Speaker 1: this matchup for Villanova, just too much offense. Texas Tech Perdue.

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Speaker 1: I think the athleticism of Texas Tech matches up very

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Speaker 1: well with Purdue produced struggles to make jump shots against

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00:56:18,239 --> 00:56:21,240
Speaker 1: athletic teams that can switch their screens. I take Texas

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Speaker 1: Tech to take on Villanova in the Elite Eight. Kansas

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Speaker 1: taken on Clemson. I have learned you don't doubt, you

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Speaker 1: don't doubt. Kansas comeson was really impressive against Auburn, but

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Speaker 1: Auburn essentially with without three starters from the start of

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Speaker 1: the season. That's the Kansas team that seems to be

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Speaker 1: getting better and better and more and more confident. Playing

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Speaker 1: in a home away from home in Omaha, I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: take Ku. Syracuse taken on Duke. We've seen this game

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Speaker 1: in the year. I do think that Duke has too much.

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Speaker 1: It's the it's the it's the matchups that win this thing.

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Speaker 1: And Duke shoots the ball so well from three from

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00:56:51,920 --> 00:56:56,080
Speaker 1: so many different positions. I don't think that. And look,

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Speaker 1: this is a Duke team that's not perfect. They're not

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Speaker 1: great defensively, but team that and and percentage wise, they're

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00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: not great from three. Outside of Gary Trent. I know

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Speaker 1: Wendell Carter shoots a good percentage, but he's not a

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Speaker 1: high volume three point shooter, but they can hit you

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Speaker 1: from three. Guys and Trayvon Duval even though he can't,

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Speaker 1: he he's a sound enough ball Hammler. The big issue

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Speaker 1: with this Duke team has been their defense. Right, It's

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00:57:18,920 --> 00:57:22,840
Speaker 1: been basketball, but against Syracuse, you don't have to be

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Speaker 1: great defensively because Syracuse struggles to score case in point.

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00:57:26,680 --> 00:57:28,800
Speaker 1: They only scored forty four last time they played due

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Speaker 1: so I think it's a bad matchup for for for Syracuse.

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Speaker 1: I like Duke to win. So there's my Uh, those

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Speaker 1: are all my picks, right, Yeah? So Duke, Kansas Tech, Nova,

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Speaker 1: k State, Nevada, Gonzaga, and I'm gonna go with A

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Speaker 1: and M, which what I would deem an upset. I

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Speaker 1: haven't seen their numbers in Vegas. Thanks for downloading the

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