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Speaker 1: is up? Straight Fire? Fam hits me Jason McIntyre Straight

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Speaker 1: Fire for Monday, July twenty fourth. The month is nearly over.

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Speaker 1: I got my kids asking me, Dad, how much much?

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Speaker 1: How much longer is left in summer? And I feel

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Speaker 1: into summer. MLB trade talks allegedly heating up. And uh oh,

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Speaker 1: by the way, this comment named Leonel Messi hit the

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Speaker 1: American Soccer League MLS over the weekend. Oh my gosh.

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Speaker 1: Before we get to that, the running backs around the

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Speaker 1: get into that, and we got some interesting stuff coming

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Speaker 1: this week. I do quickly want to start. So you

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Speaker 1: guys know, my men's league for basketball, we've expanded the

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Speaker 1: roster a little bit because it's summery guys are traveling,

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Speaker 1: had like soft numbers the last couple weeks. People are traveling,

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Speaker 1: it's just like the response has been overwhelming to podcast

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Speaker 1: transport yourself back to when you were like eight, nine, ten, eleven,

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Speaker 1: Rob. There's a body of work of Daniel Jones. The

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Speaker 2: But it's miss I think I have something that's right

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Speaker 1: One thing that comes out, Rob is, you know Curry.

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Speaker 1: If he just puts himself on the team over Magic

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Speaker 1: You know this, you know ri Ip Kobe. I was

424
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Speaker 1: ever the massive Kobe fan, obviously a really really good player.

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Speaker 1: A lot of my buddies are huge Kobe fans. I

426
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Speaker 1: just was never the biggest Oh my gosh, Kobe Bryan.

427
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Speaker 1: I got a ride with him, guy. I was kind

428
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Speaker 1: of a shack guy. But let's let's not talk about that.

429
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Speaker 1: And like, nobody's gonna get on your case for talking

430
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Speaker 1: about Kobe after the tragedy with the helicopter a few

431
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Speaker 1: years ago. So it's an interesting starting fup. I don't

432
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's anything malicious there. I am not

433
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Speaker 1: totally surprised. Remember he didn't go with any totally modern players, right.

434
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Speaker 1: I guess the only guy on that list of modern

435
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Speaker 1: would be Shacking Kobe. But other than that, he went

436
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Speaker 1: with all guys who you know played as he was

437
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Speaker 1: like growing up or in college.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, I mean Tim Duncan too, I mean the

439
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Speaker 2: I know people forget that he was part of.

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Speaker 1: That raminate them. That's a good point, right.

441
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Speaker 2: But to me, he I love that Steph Curry left

442
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Speaker 2: Lebron office starting five again for the second time, because

443
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Speaker 2: even if I disagree with it, like the overall point,

444
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Speaker 2: the fact remains is it leads credence to the idea

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Speaker 2: that Steph does not hold Lebron in this upper echelon

446
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Speaker 2: mythical being kind of guy that some younger players do

447
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Speaker 2: now and a lot of people in the media do.

448
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Speaker 2: Steph Curry is me psychoanalyzing him. This is him saying

449
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Speaker 2: I don't even think this guy's better than me. I've

450
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Speaker 2: beat him in the finals head to head three times.

451
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Speaker 2: I am his peer. He is not somebody who I

452
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Speaker 2: need to hold in such high regard as if I

453
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Speaker 2: can never touch him in the same way that I'm

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Speaker 2: gonna view Michael Jordan and Kobe and Duncan and Shack,

455
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Speaker 2: because I never got to really play against those guys

456
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Speaker 2: in their prime, so I can only myth the loge

457
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Speaker 2: make them mythological creatures. I've went to Totoe with Lebron

458
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Speaker 2: and I was the one who won. I went to

459
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Speaker 2: tote with Lebron, and if you went and looked at

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Speaker 2: those twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen rosters, I could make

461
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Speaker 2: a case that the Cleveland Cavaliers had a better roster

462
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Speaker 2: top to bottom, more talent than those Golden State Warriors teams.

463
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Speaker 2: The difference was is that the Golden State Warriors played

464
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Speaker 2: a good team game and they played well together versus

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Speaker 2: the Cleveland Cavaliers, which was a lot of overwhelming you

466
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Speaker 2: with talent, not necessarily as much of a cohesive unit.

467
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Speaker 2: So if I'm Steph Curry, and again, even if I

468
00:24:35,720 --> 00:24:40,080
Speaker 2: disagree with this, but if I'm Steph Curry, hell yeah,

469
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Speaker 2: I think I'm just as good as Lebron have. I

470
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Speaker 2: was just as much a part of dominating that decade

471
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Speaker 2: as he was. He can say that he got to

472
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Speaker 2: the finals as many times in a row and that's cool,

473
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Speaker 2: and that's cute and everything like that. But you know

474
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Speaker 2: who is regarded as having the best teams during that era,

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Speaker 2: me not him. I'm one percent on board with Steph

476
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Speaker 2: Curry willing to say that, no, Lebron's not all that

477
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Speaker 2: in a bag of chips, because if he is, then

478
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Speaker 2: I am too. So I'm not gonna put him on

479
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Speaker 2: a pedestal like the rest of you. Peons out here.

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Speaker 1: Wow, that begs the question, do you have Curry top

481
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Speaker 1: ten and where do you have Lebron?

482
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Speaker 2: I have Lebron two, and I have Curry just outside

483
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Speaker 2: of the top ten, like twelve eleven.

484
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Speaker 1: Outside side of the top ten.

485
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Speaker 2: Yes.

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Speaker 1: Interesting, Lebron just beat Curry this year to make it,

487
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Speaker 1: I believe three to two head to head. So twenty fifteen,

488
00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,119
Speaker 1: Lebron lost Kevin Love before the finals, then Kyrie got

489
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Speaker 1: hurt at the end of game one, I think in overtime,

490
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Speaker 1: and it was basically Lebron against everybody, and Curry came

491
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Speaker 1: out our top. The following year was the Draymond suspension,

492
00:25:55,760 --> 00:26:00,119
Speaker 1: wackiness three to one come back, so it's one to one.

493
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Speaker 1: Then Curry gets Kevin Durreat. Now it's three to one,

494
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:13,760
Speaker 1: and yeah, so it's three to two head to head. Huh.

495
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Speaker 1: And if you're in the Lebron Campell, Curry was never

496
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Speaker 1: a finals MVP head to head against Lebron. He was

497
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Speaker 1: never the best player on the floor. Lebron was. Okay,

498
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Speaker 1: is Curry on Lebron's level? I have Curry I believe

499
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Speaker 1: at ten, nine or ten and Lebron at one. And

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Speaker 1: I know people hate that, and I put it out

501
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Speaker 1: over the weekend, Like when Lebron was at Messi's game

502
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Speaker 1: and hugged him. I was like, look at that, the

503
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Speaker 1: greatest basketball player in the history of the sport hugging

504
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Speaker 1: the greatest soccer player in the history at the sport.

505
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Speaker 1: And of course all these Pele Maridona fans freaked out

506
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Speaker 1: and all these Jordan's sick of fans go crazy. I

507
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:53,600
Speaker 1: don't think it's slanted to call Jordan too. I have

508
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,320
Speaker 1: Lebron one, just the accomplishments to still playing, the new retirements,

509
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Speaker 1: the consecutive trips to the finals, like I don't I have.

510
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Speaker 1: I've been on this since, like I think it was

511
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:08,360
Speaker 1: since since he came back against the Warriors. I said,

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Speaker 1: if he could listen, he leaving Cleveland if he gets

513
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,439
Speaker 1: one more in another city. Basically, anywhere he goes he

514
00:27:13,480 --> 00:27:15,840
Speaker 1: gets titles. He goes to Miami gets titles, goes back

515
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Speaker 1: to Cleveland get a title, goes to the Lakers gets

516
00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:21,200
Speaker 1: a title. Like that's unbelievable. It truly is. It builds

517
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:25,080
Speaker 1: teams everywhere he goes and wins. I wonder what Lebron

518
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Speaker 1: thinks of this. Can we get him on the pod, Rob,

519
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Speaker 1: can you effort that, Uh.

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Speaker 2: I'll shoot rich politics and see what happens.

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Speaker 1: Well, well, I do know that you guys know my

522
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: son would play in this summer basketball league out here

523
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Speaker 1: when he's not in this summer But USC's basketball coach

524
00:27:41,240 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 1: was my son's coach last summer and lives I don't know,

525
00:27:45,880 --> 00:27:48,440
Speaker 1: three blocks from me, and you know, I drive by

526
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Speaker 1: his house often, and he recently had a gathering and

527
00:27:52,400 --> 00:27:55,719
Speaker 1: Bronnie was there and like the whole USC team, and

528
00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:58,840
Speaker 1: it was you know, I in my head, I'm like, oh,

529
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Speaker 1: imagine if Lebron showed up, but I happened to drive

530
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Speaker 1: by him Lebron's outside. I was like, Yo, Bronny, let

531
00:28:04,520 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: me let me holout Lebron real quick. Like I just

532
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Speaker 1: I have so many questions for Lebron, because yes, he

533
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:14,000
Speaker 1: answers basketball questions, but there's so many questions I have

534
00:28:14,920 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 1: outside of the obvious that he's just not going to answer.

535
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Speaker 1: But I would love, just in a one on one

536
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Speaker 1: setting to just ask him and just get his real

537
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Speaker 1: thoughts without like a camera in his face, which wouldn't

538
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Speaker 1: have as much value, but you know what I mean. Anyways,

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Speaker 1: all right, Rob, we've gone long for a Monday morning.

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Speaker 1: We have a strong guest list so far for this week.

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Speaker 1: NFL camps are happening. I think we're less than two

542
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Speaker 1: weeks to the Jets Packers season. Not Jets Packers. Who's

543
00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,600
Speaker 1: the Jets opening with Rob Jets? Somebody in the Hall

544
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Speaker 1: of Fame Jet.

545
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Speaker 2: That should be something you don't off the top of

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Speaker 2: your head, man, I.

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Speaker 1: Should, yeah, but it's preseason. I don't put a lot

548
00:28:52,760 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: of stock in that anyways. All right, back tomorrow Jets, WU, Jets, Browns.

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Speaker 1: Oh jeez, can't wait for that. Talk to you. The

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Speaker 1: more