Speaker 1: Welcome to another edition of the Official Jets podcast, The
Speaker 1: Draft Podcast Audition, Episode two, presented by Pepsi. The Jets
Speaker 1: no longer have Sam Donald on their roster, traded to
Speaker 1: the Carolina Panthers. The Jets receive a sixth round pick
Speaker 1: in two thousand twenty one, a second and a fourth
Speaker 1: round pick in two thousand and twenty two. We have
Speaker 1: Charles Davis on the podcast. Who caught up with Olivia
Speaker 1: Landis or Livy land Is caught up with Charles Davis?
Speaker 1: Should I say they broke down options at two twenty three,
Speaker 1: the whole she bang. But let's start off with the
Speaker 1: big news here QB one open for business here at
Speaker 1: one Jets Drive. Yeah. I think Joe Douglas said it
Speaker 1: very well that it's a fair assessment that the Jets
Speaker 1: we'll take a quarterback with that number two overall selection.
Speaker 1: Most people think that it is a certainty. Even Urban
Speaker 1: Myers talked about Trevor Lawrence going to the Jacksonville jaguarris
Speaker 1: at number one overall. So for long time we were
Speaker 1: saying the NFL Draft actually starts with the New Ork
Speaker 1: Jets at number two. Well, maybe you can say if
Speaker 1: the Jets have already zeroed in on Nerman. Maybe it
Speaker 1: goes beyond that to number three with the forty niners,
Speaker 1: but it's very likely the Jets have taken a quarterback
Speaker 1: at number two overall, So no surprise there. I thought
Speaker 1: Douglas did a good job with his news conference, and
Speaker 1: Sam Donald gets a chance at a reboot and he's
Speaker 1: still twenty three years old, the third three years here
Speaker 1: as a starter. Um, it didn't work out, but I
Speaker 1: still think Sam Donald can be a very good quarterback
Speaker 1: in the National Football League. And on the other side
Speaker 1: of the coin, the Jets are starting a new a
Speaker 1: lot of excitement with that, And Joe Douglas also said,
Speaker 1: you know, if the Jets were picking not number two
Speaker 1: overall a little further back, that the conversation of trading
Speaker 1: Sam wouldn't even have been a thought to cross his mind.
Speaker 1: But I think it's just a unique set of circumstances
Speaker 1: the way the Chips fell and now the Jets. Over
Speaker 1: the next two drafts, they have ten picks this year,
Speaker 1: they have eleven picks next year. This year we've talked
Speaker 1: about at five picks in the first three rounds. They
Speaker 1: have four in the first two rounds. Next year, in
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty two. So there's a lot of work
Speaker 1: still to be done here for the Jets. But you know,
Speaker 1: you mentioned the draft maybe starts to three. Some people
Speaker 1: think maybe it starts at four because some people think, well,
Speaker 1: if the Jaguars and the Jets of zero Ton, maybe
Speaker 1: the forty Niners have followed suit and zero in as well.
Speaker 1: But do you think the forty Niners have taken Mac Jones?
Speaker 1: I really don't know. I don't know. I mean a
Speaker 1: lot of people have made it a point to say, well,
Speaker 1: they went to Alabama's pro day, which was the same
Speaker 1: day as Justin Fields pro day at Ohio State. But
Speaker 1: then also Justin Fields is throwing again, and the forty
Speaker 1: Niners either one. Well, they definitely have another chance to go,
Speaker 1: but I think they're expected to be there in Columbus
Speaker 1: to watch Justin Fields. So I don't know. I have
Speaker 1: a hard time believing that they've zeroed in on a player.
Speaker 1: But maybe I'm just naive. I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: do you think that they've zeroed in on Mac Jones?
Speaker 1: I don't know. It seems like people who know the
Speaker 1: forty Niners or no their way of thinking, they got
Speaker 1: a pretty good beat on it. So at this point,
Speaker 1: if you're gonna tell me the forty Niners taking mac
Speaker 1: Jones at three, am I surprised? Definitely not, I'm not surprised.
Speaker 1: I just I don't know if I would place a
Speaker 1: bet on it. You know, this is this is what
Speaker 1: you would place a bet that quarterbacks are going one
Speaker 1: two in the two thousand one. Yes, I would, and
Speaker 1: I would. I would go as far to say one
Speaker 1: to three, not four. I'm not I'm not betting Ford.
Speaker 1: That would be a risky parlay anyway. With the Jets,
Speaker 1: I think now the intrigue naturally comes at pick three.
Speaker 1: So I mean, we can talk about that after we
Speaker 1: hear from Charles Davis or you want to talk more
Speaker 1: about the quarterbacks. We talked about it all the time
Speaker 1: that you've been studying up on the draft with the Athletics.
Speaker 1: Stain brew their congratulations by the way, Dane. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: beasts sitting at beast out there, everybody at home. Uh,
Speaker 1: you know, if you don't subscribe to the Athletic and
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Speaker 1: Dame Brugler for everything that he brings to the table
Speaker 1: getting people ready for the NFL Draft. But let me
Speaker 1: ask you, so, right now, are you zero in in
Speaker 1: on prospects or positions? On that positions? You know, I
Speaker 1: think that, you know, when we just talk shop and
Speaker 1: you know, there are players that come to mind, but
Speaker 1: obviously we don't know how the board falls out in front.
Speaker 1: So I think when I look at the Jets team
Speaker 1: needs or perceived needs after free agency, and who could
Speaker 1: be there at twenty three, I think offensive line makes
Speaker 1: sense there, you know, I think, and you'll hear Charles
Speaker 1: Davis say this too, but the idea of a running
Speaker 1: back at twenty three and thirty four is a popular opinion.
Speaker 1: I don't know if I'm ready to say that, but
Speaker 1: I wouldn't be averse to selecting another wide out and
Speaker 1: maybe at one of those picks, maybe most likely thirty four,
Speaker 1: cornerback stands out, and then after that linebacker which might
Speaker 1: be an unpopular opinion, and that edge and you know,
Speaker 1: maybe alright, So so give me a couple of names
Speaker 1: in each spot. Okay, as we sit here right now,
Speaker 1: so let's start with offensive line, right, So you're thinking
Speaker 1: more interior, probably I'm thinking, yeah, I definitely am thinking interior,
Speaker 1: but also like, could there be players that have played
Speaker 1: tackle in college that might fit the interior at the
Speaker 1: pro level or maybe for one year and then kick
Speaker 1: out to tackle, you know, all for the versatility. So
Speaker 1: give me two to three names. Well, you know, can
Speaker 1: I include Elijah Vera Tucker or we saying we're saying
Speaker 1: he's not even an option. I'm gonna be surprised if
Speaker 1: he's there, but you can definitely include them. All right, Well,
Speaker 1: you know a lot I Elijah Vera Tucker is the
Speaker 1: name to watch, I think, you know. And I asked
Speaker 1: Dane this, dude, what would be the spot given the
Speaker 1: Jets ammunition that if he's available, You're like, you know,
Speaker 1: we're going and we're getting this guy. And he said
Speaker 1: the teens, you know, maybe mid to late teens. So
Speaker 1: if he's available at like, you know, fifteen onward, eighteen onward,
Speaker 1: maybe you want to jump up five spots. I think
Speaker 1: we should discuss this in a later podcast at that
Speaker 1: point as far as going up, okay, um, and I
Speaker 1: really like Creed Humphrey. You know, I think that you know,
Speaker 1: I'm not a draft analyst, but when you read the
Speaker 1: different reports, including Danes and here Daniel Jeremiah and Jim
Speaker 1: Naggy spoke about Creed Humphrey or tweeted about him because
Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey was at the Senior Bowl. He offers three
Speaker 1: position versatility. He only played center in college, but he
Speaker 1: was reliable. He was a very good player for the Sooners.
Speaker 1: And I think the wrestling background is something that shows up,
Speaker 1: at least that supposedly shows up. So I fill Creed
Speaker 1: Humphrey go in front of Dickerson from Alabama or you
Speaker 1: think it's gonna be very close, like what once one
Speaker 1: of them goes, the other one's gonna go. Well, I
Speaker 1: I think that's a fair point. I think the other
Speaker 1: part about Landon Dickerson. You know, let's say you think
Speaker 1: Lander Dickerson is the premier talent of the two, just
Speaker 1: like raw talent, Landon Dickerson has the medical question. So
Speaker 1: Creed Humphrey does not have that. So maybe a team
Speaker 1: that wants more of a surefire, nothing sure fire let
Speaker 1: me say that. But I want someone that doesn't have
Speaker 1: a medical past or medical questions, I think you go
Speaker 1: with Creed Humphrey. So and just to sign no, Creed
Speaker 1: Humphrey said one of his favorite centers to watch Nick Mangold,
Speaker 1: so that naturally intrigues me. Um. I think someone that
Speaker 1: a lot of people have put Kevin Jenkins out there
Speaker 1: right they play tackle Oklahoma State. I don't know how
Speaker 1: good of a mover he is that we've discussed that before.
Speaker 1: One name to watch that I don't think anybody's talked
Speaker 1: about this pre draft process, at least, you know, we
Speaker 1: haven't discussed him when I've done my segment with Dane
Speaker 1: Alex Leatherwood out of Alabama. He's an intriguing option too.
Speaker 1: You know, Jedrick Wills played last year on the right side.
Speaker 1: Leatherwood has been the left tackle the past two seasons.
Speaker 1: That's an interesting name to watch. So those are the
Speaker 1: guys to me that I'm intrigued by. Is there anyone
Speaker 1: that you're intrigued by in terms of interior offensive lineman?
Speaker 1: One guy you didn't mention was why Davis. A lot
Speaker 1: of people think that he's one of the best pure
Speaker 1: run blockers. I don't know about the position flexibility because
Speaker 1: David's just feels like he's a guard plug and play.
Speaker 1: He's gonna start for he's gonna get after it in
Speaker 1: the run game. UM So Vera Tucker. My hunches he's
Speaker 1: not there aree If he is, that would definitely have
Speaker 1: to be under consideration. Um the other position groups that
Speaker 1: you mentioned linebackers after Michael Parsons and also Woosu Korama
Speaker 1: from Notre Dame. If both those guys go in the
Speaker 1: top twenty, who who's the next person in that range
Speaker 1: of that three in the thirty four? So I think
Speaker 1: that there's kind of a clump. There's Nick Bolton out
Speaker 1: of Missouri, a little bit undersized but plays downhill very well.
Speaker 1: Zaven Collins out of Tulsa is a very long player.
Speaker 1: I've seen comparisons. Just today, I saw comparison Zaven Collins
Speaker 1: is Anthony Barr two point oh Daniel Jeremiah seemed to
Speaker 1: like that comparison. And then one guy who's been scorching
Speaker 1: up in terms of a draft, yeah, Jamie Davis out
Speaker 1: of Kentucky. So and I know you like him, and
Speaker 1: that's an interesting name to watch. I do think that
Speaker 1: there are other players that we've discussed, like Japrille Cox
Speaker 1: out of l s U that might be available, not
Speaker 1: at three or thirty four, maybe a little later. Pete
Speaker 1: Learner out of Ohio state. This is where I find
Speaker 1: it interesting because when if you were to say, like
Speaker 1: compare linebacker an edge on this roster needs and the
Speaker 1: prospects available, well would you It's interesting because the Jets
Speaker 1: did Carl Loss and they added Jared Davis. But I
Speaker 1: would almost make the argument that the linebacker might be
Speaker 1: more of a pressing need than edge. It's interesting that
Speaker 1: you brought up linebacker because we're doing our positional previews
Speaker 1: under New York Just dot Com, not just in video
Speaker 1: form or podcast form, but we're looking at them auditorially.
Speaker 1: And I just looked at the roster. It just to
Speaker 1: have seven linebackers on the roster right now in the
Speaker 1: three up top of course c J. Mosley and play
Speaker 1: cashman and then Jared Davis. So what else is he
Speaker 1: gonna do there though? And how appealing would that be
Speaker 1: to you taking somebody there early or is it a
Speaker 1: philosophy bet where hey, we can get somebody later on
Speaker 1: who fills a typical fills uh skill set that we're
Speaker 1: looking for maybe later in the draft. What I think
Speaker 1: we're gonna find out more about Joe Douglas and company
Speaker 1: as far as the positions they value for this draft
Speaker 1: in particular. Yeah, I think that's a very fair assessment
Speaker 1: to say. And let's well, let's talk about cornerbacks and
Speaker 1: wide receivers, but first let's hear from Charles Davis. Charles,
Speaker 1: after GM Joe Douglas traded quarterback Sam Donald to the
Speaker 1: Carolina Panthers, he spoke to the media and said, it
Speaker 1: is a fair assessment that the Jets will be taking
Speaker 1: a quarterback with that number two overall pick. In your opinion,
Speaker 1: who do you envision being the best quarterback to come
Speaker 1: to the New York Jets with that number two pick? Well, Olivia,
Speaker 1: I think that you know what we envisioned, and with
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and now Robert Solo and Crew envisioned maybe
Speaker 1: the same. It may be different. To me. Zach Wilson
Speaker 1: is the choice there at a B y U. He
Speaker 1: would be my number two quarterback if I were doing
Speaker 1: a whole bunch of the ranking game. But I was
Speaker 1: started watching him as the season progressed, and then as
Speaker 1: we got into the off season and obviously the run
Speaker 1: up to the draft did a little bit more. Of course,
Speaker 1: like everyone else, and I've been extremely impressed with him.
Speaker 1: He seems to fit exactly what you would want, and
Speaker 1: trying to kick starter a franchise, trying to build around someone.
Speaker 1: And he's very similar to me in a lot of ways,
Speaker 1: with maybe even a little more athleticism that Joe Burrow
Speaker 1: was last year coming out of Ohio State. In terms
Speaker 1: of what I call second and third reaction plays, beautiful arm,
Speaker 1: great touch, plays with a ton of poise. Teammates really
Speaker 1: gravitate towards him. Having spent some time with people at
Speaker 1: b y U and and other people around him, and
Speaker 1: and and this kid loves ball. I mean, he's all ball,
Speaker 1: all the time. And I give him extra points for
Speaker 1: having played through injured a couple of years ago, and
Speaker 1: people were starting to criticize him, and you know, people
Speaker 1: not understanding what he was playing with and trying to
Speaker 1: play through. So I like this kid a lot, and
Speaker 1: they have great options. Obviously, you know, we we all
Speaker 1: assumed Trevor Lawrence will be gone to Jacksonville. But out
Speaker 1: of the grouping of Justin Fields, Trade, Lance, Mac Jones,
Speaker 1: and of course Zack Wilson, of course uh In in
Speaker 1: that grouping, I would take Zach Wilson at number two
Speaker 1: and go from there. Well, you mentioned Zach Wilson. Let's
Speaker 1: dive a little bit deeper into him. What about his
Speaker 1: strengths and even weaknesses do you think would make him
Speaker 1: a good fit in a system that is going to
Speaker 1: be run by offensive coordinator Michael Floor. Well, I'll start
Speaker 1: with the so called perceived weaknesses. You know, size is
Speaker 1: always something that comes into play. Um, he's not, you know,
Speaker 1: the biggest, strongest, stoutest guy you're ever going to see.
Speaker 1: I don't think he's as small as maybe some people think.
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna check in somewhere around two ten
Speaker 1: six one or so. And thank goodness, we've we've erased
Speaker 1: that stigma about every quarterback having to be six five pounds.
Speaker 1: You know, we've seen smaller people be extremely successful in
Speaker 1: this league. And you go back now in the NFL,
Speaker 1: and you go back in time, I'm sure you would
Speaker 1: talk to a lot of past coaches, GMS evaluators would
Speaker 1: have said, yeah, I should have taken a chance on
Speaker 1: that smaller guy before, you know, because there were plenty
Speaker 1: of them that we rejected along the way. Well, we're
Speaker 1: not doing that now. Too many of these guys can play,
Speaker 1: and he's not tiny. So it's not like Eddie LeBaron
Speaker 1: to give you one of the the will Centery one
Speaker 1: search and google going who the heck was Eddie LeBaron.
Speaker 1: Google them you'll find out he was a significant quarterback
Speaker 1: in the NFL, but he was tiny. He's not that guy,
Speaker 1: all right. But at the same time as he Trevor
Speaker 1: Lawrence's stature, is he justin fields stature Trey Lances dead, No,
Speaker 1: not at all. Those are big, strong, really physically well
Speaker 1: put together youngsters. This kid is put together fine. He
Speaker 1: moves great, he sees things, He throws with anticipation, in touch.
Speaker 1: He can throw the deep ball, he can throw the
Speaker 1: short the short passes and keep them, keep the chains moving.
Speaker 1: He can make e Eustra plays with his feet. And
Speaker 1: you mentioned with with Mike Laflour coming over members brother
Speaker 1: Matt Lafore, the head coach of the Packers and coming
Speaker 1: out of San Francisco system, that that Kyle Shanahan ran
Speaker 1: and emphasized Kyle's had success with quarterbacks of all shapes, eyeses, types.
Speaker 1: I don't see any I don't think anythings are gonna
Speaker 1: change here. With Michael Floor doing the same thing. With
Speaker 1: Zack Wilson, Charles, we talked a lot about Zach Wilson's strengths.
Speaker 1: But what do you think some of the biggest adjustments
Speaker 1: are going to be that he's going to have to
Speaker 1: make coming into the NFL. I'd say, Olivia, the normal
Speaker 1: adjustments that all these quarterbacks have to make, you know,
Speaker 1: whatever the terminology is, and how he relates that to
Speaker 1: what he's learned before. B y u Um, you know,
Speaker 1: just conducting yourself as a pro all the time. Even
Speaker 1: though a lot of these collegiate kids carry themselves better,
Speaker 1: they're still kids and still growing. You know, they're still
Speaker 1: learning and maturing. So he'll have to do that a
Speaker 1: little bit and take on some of those pressures and
Speaker 1: realize that when you get in the huddle now you know,
Speaker 1: you're doing it with a bunch of people who have
Speaker 1: families and and and maybe they don't relate quite as
Speaker 1: well initially with you. Although when you think about b
Speaker 1: YU with their two year missions, they have a lot
Speaker 1: more could a lot more mature kids there, so he
Speaker 1: he is kind of used to that along the way.
Speaker 1: I think the other part is just realizing that day
Speaker 1: in day out, the grind really goes a lot longer. Now,
Speaker 1: you mean yourself during that time how do you get
Speaker 1: away if if even for a short time, clear your
Speaker 1: mind a little busy, you can go back in and
Speaker 1: dive back into the grind against you don't hit the
Speaker 1: proverbial wall. And let's face it, he's coming to the
Speaker 1: New York, you know, New York, New Jersey metropolitan area.
Speaker 1: He's gonna be in a spot now where you know,
Speaker 1: let's face it, we we lock in on everything. I
Speaker 1: grew up in up state New York, so I know
Speaker 1: what it's like and what he's walking into. You know,
Speaker 1: Trevor Lawrence going to Jacksonville. There's a ton of pressure
Speaker 1: being the number one pick, but that's nothing like coming
Speaker 1: to New York, not even close. So when you throw
Speaker 1: that in there as well, those are the adjustments that
Speaker 1: you make. But this seems like a very mature young man,
Speaker 1: and I don't expect to have much problem with all
Speaker 1: of that. Well, we know that New York is definitely
Speaker 1: tough and gritty, so that will definitely be an adjustment
Speaker 1: for anyone, no matter who ends upcoming. But like we said,
Speaker 1: number two overall pick is going to be very critical
Speaker 1: for the Jets. But let's start a little bit deeper
Speaker 1: into those later picks number twenty three overall and number
Speaker 1: thirty four overall. If the Jets do target a quarterback
Speaker 1: with the number two overall pick, who do you think
Speaker 1: they might be targeting with that number twenty three and
Speaker 1: thirty four pick later on. Well, what happens oftentimes Olivia
Speaker 1: with young quarterbacks is you'd like to pair them with
Speaker 1: people who are going to support them, protect them, take
Speaker 1: care of them. We go through time, and I'll give
Speaker 1: one example. When Matt Ryan came out of Boston College
Speaker 1: in Atlanta was just miserable. There was a huge school
Speaker 1: of thought in that draft that maybe that the Falcons
Speaker 1: don't take the quarterback there, right, I mean, because because
Speaker 1: you take the quarterback, the team is still gonna be
Speaker 1: lousy and he's gonna get beat up. Maybe you do
Speaker 1: something different. At that time, there's a kid by the
Speaker 1: name of Dorsey, Glenn Dorsey, who played at l s
Speaker 1: U that people are saying that might be the guy
Speaker 1: you should go get. During that time, Well, the Falcons
Speaker 1: took Matt Ryan and and and then what they did
Speaker 1: was they jumped back into the first round later with
Speaker 1: a trade and drafted a left tackle out of the
Speaker 1: USC by name of Sam Baker to give him a
Speaker 1: foundational guy. Well, here's the beauty of it for the Jets.
Speaker 1: They did that last year. But McKay Beckton, but do
Speaker 1: you want to continue to get your offensive line better?
Speaker 1: You know George Fan right now is probably your right tackle.
Speaker 1: Do you want him to still be your starter? Do
Speaker 1: you still want do you still want bringing someone else
Speaker 1: and may push him and possibly be that guy. Could
Speaker 1: the Jalen Mayfield from Michigan still be around that you
Speaker 1: could put it right tackle to help him out at
Speaker 1: that time? Or do you go with another weapon because
Speaker 1: at that point running backs have we probably haven't started
Speaker 1: on that mission yet. We probably been started down that road.
Speaker 1: This sounds like one of those years where we're not
Speaker 1: gonna have Ezekie Elliott go number four overall to Dallas
Speaker 1: or Leonard four Nett go number six to Jacksonville and
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey number eight to Carolina. This sounds like by
Speaker 1: the time we get to the twenties, we may not
Speaker 1: have had a running back taken, and in fact it
Speaker 1: seems unlikely. So do the that's now think to themselves,
Speaker 1: do we build with another person to help this young quarterback?
Speaker 1: And maybe they might have their first swing. Whoever the
Speaker 1: best running back is. Is it Travis e t N
Speaker 1: from Clemson to them? Is it Najie Harris from Alabama?
Speaker 1: Javonte Williams from North Carolina? To me, It's it's either
Speaker 1: e t N or it's Harris. But that could be
Speaker 1: a possibility for them as well. Right sitting there at
Speaker 1: and part of that might be this is a pretty
Speaker 1: deep tackle class, pretty deep offensive line class. The Jets
Speaker 1: might very well say to themselves, let's go get that
Speaker 1: weapon is the running back right now? Get him and
Speaker 1: then come back and get a tackle later on or
Speaker 1: another offensive line to continue to beef up that line
Speaker 1: for our young quarterback. We'll see, Charles, where do you
Speaker 1: specifically see the most depth in this INFL draft? Well,
Speaker 1: it's starting to become a broken record, Olivia. But every
Speaker 1: year there are a million receivers because of the way
Speaker 1: the colleges are pitching the ball around, there's always a
Speaker 1: ton of receivers there. But I do think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of depth in the offensive line. I don't think
Speaker 1: it's just restricted to one of the positions either. I
Speaker 1: think tackles, interior guys, there are a lot of really
Speaker 1: good players in this draft that way. I think when
Speaker 1: you flip it over to the other side, defensive backs
Speaker 1: continue to rise because there has to be answers in
Speaker 1: college football to try and slow down these offensive guys.
Speaker 1: So a number of them actually have offense in their
Speaker 1: background had been flipped over. Caleb Farley from Virginia Teche
Speaker 1: is one of the leading examples. He went there as
Speaker 1: a receiver, but he's gonna make his money as a
Speaker 1: cornerback and that's worked out quite well for him. So
Speaker 1: those are places that I see a ton of depth
Speaker 1: in this draft. And it's interesting because you would think
Speaker 1: there'd be a monster amount of depth at the quarterback
Speaker 1: position because we're probably gonna have five go in the
Speaker 1: first round. But there's also a school of thought that
Speaker 1: we could have five go in the first round and
Speaker 1: not pick another quarterback till round three. I don't know
Speaker 1: that that's true. We talked about this stuff every year,
Speaker 1: and it doesn't really tend to play out that way.
Speaker 1: People get a nervous and go, well, I better go
Speaker 1: get it now, and they go up and get guys,
Speaker 1: and sometimes quarterbacks get pushed up higher than they should go.
Speaker 1: But there is that where people will say I've got
Speaker 1: third round grades on everyone else, and I know that
Speaker 1: that's legit. Charles Jets GM. Joe Douglas is constantly preached
Speaker 1: about building this team through the NFL draft. With five
Speaker 1: picks in the first two days and five picks on Saturday.
Speaker 1: How does that help him execute that vision for the
Speaker 1: New York Jets. Oh boy, it helps in a huge way, Olivia,
Speaker 1: because if you are beholden to that statement and the
Speaker 1: ability to look at your roster, and let's face it,
Speaker 1: when you haven't won a lot of games, you're not
Speaker 1: necessarily picking and plugging and saying, Okay, we need these
Speaker 1: three to get us over the top. You're talking about
Speaker 1: full roster. So the old best player available Mantra could
Speaker 1: be available for the Jets at darted near every pick, Okay,
Speaker 1: because sitting there too. I think Douglas did a great
Speaker 1: job in his press conference of not insulting people's intelligence
Speaker 1: when people ask is it safe to say, okay, who
Speaker 1: were kidding at this point? Right? So you go ahead
Speaker 1: and do that. And I really appreciated Joe doing that.
Speaker 1: I think a lot of us did. But the second part,
Speaker 1: now is every time your draft number comes up, or
Speaker 1: if there's a certain guy you want. Because you have
Speaker 1: the number of picks you have, you have some capital
Speaker 1: that maybe you could move a couple of things and
Speaker 1: go get a certain person if you want them, or
Speaker 1: if you want to stick and make your picks. Every
Speaker 1: single time you can say best player available, and it's
Speaker 1: gonna make your roster better. And that's you know, it's
Speaker 1: a lousy spot to be in because it means your
Speaker 1: team is not very good yet, but it's also a
Speaker 1: great spot to be and as you build towards being
Speaker 1: that good and as we all know Olivia, it doesn't
Speaker 1: take that long in the NFL to get good. And
Speaker 1: and I don't mean to say that like it's easy,
Speaker 1: because it's not. But how many examples have we had
Speaker 1: lousy one year? Boy, they're in the playoffs. How did
Speaker 1: they go from worst in the division to first. Sometimes
Speaker 1: they've had veterans there and they had a bunch of
Speaker 1: injuries and they bounced back. But other times it all
Speaker 1: kind of came together quickly and we didn't quite see
Speaker 1: it coming, and what a surprise it was, and wambo,
Speaker 1: here we are. So that's the way the league is built,
Speaker 1: and that's one of the things that I know that
Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and the Jets administration are banking on if
Speaker 1: we do our jobs well free agency drafting and these
Speaker 1: kids play well early, we've got a chance to get
Speaker 1: better early too in this league, Charles, I'd like to
Speaker 1: wrap up on this head coach. Robert Sala obviously came
Speaker 1: into the building new head coach for the Jets heading
Speaker 1: into this season. A lot of people talk about the
Speaker 1: culture that he is trying to build and the energy
Speaker 1: that he brings into this building. What do you like
Speaker 1: about this dynamic duo and Joe Douglas and Robert Salis
Speaker 1: so far? Well? Number one, I've always been a huge
Speaker 1: fan of Joe douglas is and and now he's getting
Speaker 1: this this opportunity with a coach of his, you know
Speaker 1: that he brought in and so when they spend their
Speaker 1: time together with their vision of the team, it's not
Speaker 1: necessarily that previously you didn't have the same vision. There's
Speaker 1: always that thought, oh wow, when the do GM comes
Speaker 1: in and the head coach is sitting in place. Let's
Speaker 1: face it, we in the media side are looking hial
Speaker 1: is their conflict? Do they not get along? Do they
Speaker 1: have different visions? It's not always that way. Sometimes it's
Speaker 1: not able to execute it the way you want to.
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's too far down the road. But this time,
Speaker 1: now you bring in the guy that you want. You
Speaker 1: selected this person. Of course, you had your your people
Speaker 1: who were around in ownership and all that, and you're
Speaker 1: gonna build that way. And that head coach has his
Speaker 1: own ideas about how how to do things. But in
Speaker 1: the Jets case, Joe Douglas gets final decision and when
Speaker 1: they make their pick the best groupings, the best pairings
Speaker 1: in the league of head coach and GM, no matter
Speaker 1: who has the final decision making, they come out in lockstep.
Speaker 1: They come out and do it. And Robert Sali saw
Speaker 1: it first hand in San Francisco with John Lynch is
Speaker 1: a g YE. Kyle Shannon has a head coach with
Speaker 1: Kyle as the head coach having really the final decision making.
Speaker 1: So he knows how this works, except he's gonna be
Speaker 1: on the flip side of it this time. And I
Speaker 1: think that that's I think that's what I like about this.
Speaker 1: I think these are two very intelligent men who understand
Speaker 1: how they want to form a football team, understand how
Speaker 1: they want to build a culture, understand the types of
Speaker 1: players they want to bring into the building and how
Speaker 1: they want to coach them, and and and work and
Speaker 1: organize that way, and now they're getting their first swing
Speaker 1: at doing so. So at this stage, my guest, Olivia,
Speaker 1: is that you already have your bracelet. This has all gas,
Speaker 1: no breaks from from coach Robert sala And and the
Speaker 1: rest of the organization is understanding this is what this
Speaker 1: man is going to be about. Charles is great as always.
Speaker 1: New Paul's guy rocking the hat, the New Paul's hat,
Speaker 1: and he's one of basically a million people out there.
Speaker 1: I think the Jets are gonna take b y U
Speaker 1: Szach Wilson. You publish something mock draft mondays here for
Speaker 1: the Jets, and you've been doing it for months, and
Speaker 1: what's the percentage? Say to yeah, I would say, since well,
Speaker 1: maybe before Sam Doarnold got traded. You get the occasional
Speaker 1: trade back and then you get the occasional offensive lineman
Speaker 1: at two. Like if you wanted to do something a
Speaker 1: little different, maybe one justin fields. Like out of ten
Speaker 1: mock drafts, nine of nine and a half of them
Speaker 1: have Zach Wilson, and now nine and nine point nine
Speaker 1: of them out of ten have Zach Wilson. But this
Speaker 1: is why the Injurgue comes at twenty three and thirty four.
Speaker 1: So let's go back to some prospect ideas. Let's go
Speaker 1: to cornerback corner. I just want to make sure that
Speaker 1: you know it didn't sound like I was saying coarter
Speaker 1: corner back is interesting and I you know, my gut
Speaker 1: is that you like j C. Horn. It's not your gut.
Speaker 1: You know that for a fact, Well, it was a
Speaker 1: gut before I knew it for a fact. I love
Speaker 1: I love his upbringing. Joe Horn, of course played receiver
Speaker 1: in the National Football League, is a great competitor. UM
Speaker 1: South Carolin line was not a very good football team
Speaker 1: last year. Will Muschamp knows how to coach defense. J C.
Speaker 1: Horne when he was on the field before. I think
Speaker 1: he opted out at some point during the season, right,
Speaker 1: he brings a tenacity to the cornerback position that I
Speaker 1: love um and I think he's going to be a
Speaker 1: very good pro. Now, getting back to where is j C.
Speaker 1: Horn gonna fall? Do you think still with Caleb Farley's
Speaker 1: recent medical questions, is he going to still be up
Speaker 1: there in the top fifteen range or do you think
Speaker 1: there's enough questions out there where Farley drops but we're
Speaker 1: still thinking Patrick certain certain is the number one overall corner.
Speaker 1: What the latter. I think that based on reading the
Speaker 1: tea leaves of what the different analysts have put out there,
Speaker 1: it seems actually you mentioned the mock draft. A couple
Speaker 1: of mock drafts since Caleb Farley got hurt for those
Speaker 1: who don't know, he had a second backed injury, didn't
Speaker 1: opt it out of the two thousand twenty season. You know,
Speaker 1: I think he lost a family member a year ago
Speaker 1: and he like didn't want to risk at all potentially
Speaker 1: losing another one, and so he opts out of two
Speaker 1: thousand twenty. He's young to the position, he had an
Speaker 1: injury in the past. I think both of the surgeries
Speaker 1: stem from a weightlifting accident or something. So Caleb Farley,
Speaker 1: there have been a couple of mock drafts that have
Speaker 1: the Jets selecting him at twenty three. So you know
Speaker 1: that this is this is where I find it interesting.
Speaker 1: So if you're the Jets too, that's a good point
Speaker 1: that we should hit on right now, is that if
Speaker 1: you're the Jets and you're trying to continue to build
Speaker 1: this thing. Obviously medical is going to be very important,
Speaker 1: but I think a project or a guy that you
Speaker 1: have to wait on just a little bit, if you
Speaker 1: know he's going to clear medically, that might be worth
Speaker 1: it for you. May be compared to another team who
Speaker 1: is one two players away, or was in a championship
Speaker 1: game last year, last year in a divisional playoff game,
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. Because the Jets, Jets are putting
Speaker 1: this thing together, right. Yeah, you make a great point.
Speaker 1: And as you were saying that, I'm thinking about what
Speaker 1: Phil Savage said last year about Bryce Hall. Obviously different situation.
Speaker 1: Bryce Hall was a projected Day two guy, which means
Speaker 1: round two or three, and he was selected in the
Speaker 1: fifth round because of the injury. So the Jets got
Speaker 1: that discount sticker where you're betting on the player. And
Speaker 1: Phil Savage said in an interview afterwards, he said, we're
Speaker 1: betting on the future with Bryce Hall. So could that
Speaker 1: be similar to Caleb Farley? Not saying the Jets will
Speaker 1: do that, but it reminds me of a similar situation
Speaker 1: because if you believe in Caleb Farley the player, you
Speaker 1: have the ten draft picks, and I think Farley is
Speaker 1: supposedly supposed to be ready to go by training camp,
Speaker 1: so it's not like he'll really miss a chunk of
Speaker 1: Just think about the rookie class last year, how much
Speaker 1: time they missed. They weren't on the field at all
Speaker 1: until training camp. Yeah, so I mean that sell Men's Unfortunately,
Speaker 1: he had a slow start to his career um, and
Speaker 1: much of that had nothing to do with him, and
Speaker 1: just bad luck. It's on the field, has a couple
Speaker 1: of hamstring issues and then before you know it, it's
Speaker 1: mid season. But he flashed down the stretch and now
Speaker 1: if you're on you're inside the organization, you're wondering what
Speaker 1: is his next step because big bodied receiver can go
Speaker 1: get it long strider and then you've got Corey Davis
Speaker 1: in there. Uh, the wide receiver position. It's awesome. Yeah,
Speaker 1: this draft, it was awesome last year. It seems like
Speaker 1: there's no end in sight, um, which is good. But
Speaker 1: the Jets it positions the positions themselves better at receiver
Speaker 1: positions just by adding Davis and cy Lancole. Yeah. And
Speaker 1: one thing on the corner situation before we talk about
Speaker 1: wide receivers in terms of corner, like if Caleb Farley
Speaker 1: were there at thirty four at the top of the
Speaker 1: second round. I think that conversation is a lot more
Speaker 1: interesting than only three because let's say, let's say the
Speaker 1: Jets in theory take a quarterback at two and then
Speaker 1: take somebody at twenty three that you think he's ready
Speaker 1: to go, like from the get, whether that's you know,
Speaker 1: Elijah art Tucker, whether that's a different an edge player,
Speaker 1: a different corner or whatever. If you're at thirty four
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you have Caleb Farley available,
Speaker 1: and he checks medically, checks automatically, and you think that
Speaker 1: he can be an upgrade or at least compete from
Speaker 1: the get, I mean that conversation to me is very
Speaker 1: interesting as opposed to twenty three. I don't know if
Speaker 1: you agree with that. I started thinking about um when
Speaker 1: you said edge. In my mind started just going off.
Speaker 1: I feel like Ogillar is gonna go before three it
Speaker 1: but it's not guaranteed. Is an edge off the board?
Speaker 1: And how many edges are off the board by the
Speaker 1: time the Jets pick at twenty three just because they
Speaker 1: got Carl Lawson, I don't think means that necessarily staying
Speaker 1: away from that same thing with Corey Davison receivers. I think, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's a little bit different, but I think the idea
Speaker 1: is still there, right, And you know, this is an
Speaker 1: interesting edge class because Lari and then the two kids
Speaker 1: from Miami. You know, they resonate right away in Jayleen Phillips,
Speaker 1: a physical freak and roussoul. The last time we saw
Speaker 1: him plays fifteen and a half sacks. Bald these number
Speaker 1: one edge prospect. Yeah, and that was interesting. You know,
Speaker 1: you never know where Bald he's gonna go, but he's
Speaker 1: always in the lab and breaking it down with the
Speaker 1: headband on. And you know he loves ross six ft seven,
Speaker 1: so it's like you take a step, you're at the
Speaker 1: quarterback already. Yeah, I love real quick. In terms of Baldi,
Speaker 1: what I love about Baldi is, you know, I feel
Speaker 1: like you start to see people, you know, different draft analysts.
Speaker 1: You know, it's a lot of the same. Baldi is
Speaker 1: just like he doesn't pay attention to any of that.
Speaker 1: He goes you know, No, I like this guy because actually,
Speaker 1: well it's a little bit different. It's a little refreshing.
Speaker 1: I don't think the tape lies and he's a big
Speaker 1: motor guy, so for Baldi. If you're taking a playoff
Speaker 1: for a couple of plays off or things like that,
Speaker 1: you're going down. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Baldi will break you down.
Speaker 1: Let's let's just put it that way. So in terms
Speaker 1: of receiver, let's not even talk about Jamaar, Chase, Stavante, Smith,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle. There, They're gonna be gone by twenty three
Speaker 1: unless something crazy happens. I mean, justin Jefferson was the
Speaker 1: twenty second overall selection last year, and not saying that,
Speaker 1: you know that will be the by the way, Jefferson, Yeah, yeah, yeah, sick. Anyway,
Speaker 1: there's clusters of receivers, and you know, I will say
Speaker 1: that if the Jets don't take a wide receiver in four,
Speaker 1: there are still very good options in rounds three and beyond.
Speaker 1: So with that being said, we discussed Ron Dale More
Speaker 1: in our position preview video or broke down a couple
Speaker 1: of guys. Kadarius Tony interesting, Elijah Moore I think is
Speaker 1: a very interesting player too, and you know the list
Speaker 1: goes on. Terris Marshall out of l s U. Another
Speaker 1: L s U guy. We'll tell us more about Elijah More. Well,
Speaker 1: Elijah More, I think I think the book on him
Speaker 1: is that he wasn't in like a great situation, you know.
Speaker 1: I mean you think about the other teams like DeVante Smith,
Speaker 1: Jalen Waddle, I mean that team put up numbers Old Miss,
Speaker 1: I don't think put up the same numbers or got
Speaker 1: even got the same TV recognition. But Elijah More, I
Speaker 1: saw a video yesterday that showed like one of his
Speaker 1: best attributes is one route running and two he doesn't
Speaker 1: slow down in traffic, like he'll catch the ball and
Speaker 1: he'll just keep going and he'll make you miss. He's
Speaker 1: kind of like Darius Tony in that way. But I
Speaker 1: think Darius Tony gets a little more pub than Eli Moore.
Speaker 1: And when you look at the Old Miss receivers in
Speaker 1: the past, A J. Brown, DK Metcalf, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: Elijah More the next guy two one term pro and
Speaker 1: two be very good as Brookie Year that was a
Speaker 1: good parent Tennessee. So that's all kind of coming full
Speaker 1: circle for me right now because A. G. Brown on
Speaker 1: and Corey Davis right and then you had the powerful
Speaker 1: running back. So you know another guy who could be
Speaker 1: on the board, and I don't necessarily know if he's
Speaker 1: a system fit for the Jets, not that he's not
Speaker 1: a great player, because he is, and I think he's
Speaker 1: gonna be a productive player in the National Football League.
Speaker 1: Is Nagy Harris? So one of these teams is gonna
Speaker 1: take Harris. But did you get to Harris because you
Speaker 1: were thinking of Derrick Henry? Well, yeah, I was just
Speaker 1: thinking the way they built they build it. I think
Speaker 1: here with the Jets is that I think a lot
Speaker 1: of people think that. And we were having this conversation
Speaker 1: with somebody the other day. I think a lot of
Speaker 1: people think of that Shanahan system and automatically say, well,
Speaker 1: we're gonna be slinging the ball left and right, and
Speaker 1: maybe they think about a finesse type system. The Jets
Speaker 1: are gonna try to punch you in the face. It's
Speaker 1: everything's predicated upon a run game. Pounding you with the
Speaker 1: run game. Yes, your quarterback, you get him on the
Speaker 1: move when the rolls and the boots, but you're dialing
Speaker 1: things up down the field with the play actions, right,
Speaker 1: And that's talking about Corey Davis. He was fourth and
Speaker 1: play action receiving yards or receiving yards off of play
Speaker 1: action behind DeAndre Hopkins, stefondeg and Calvin Ridley. I mean
Speaker 1: that's pretty good company. So obviously that attribute of his
Speaker 1: game worked for him in Tennessee, and the Jets are
Speaker 1: gonna hope it works here in New York with MICHAELA Floor.
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims again, it's got to be stated once again.
Speaker 1: You gotta like what you saw out of him last year.
Speaker 1: He was the thirteenth receiver taking in the draft last year,
Speaker 1: And is this draft better at the receiver pa It's
Speaker 1: it's up there. It's definitely similar. And let me just
Speaker 1: say this about Denzil Mimms. He ran a fourth three
Speaker 1: eight at the Combine. I mean we probably didn't see
Speaker 1: him put on the gas as much as we wanted
Speaker 1: to because he had the hammy injuries. And then yeah,
Speaker 1: we we just didn't see him catch and run that much, right,
Speaker 1: Like a lot of his receptions will go up and
Speaker 1: get it kind of reception. So I'd like to see
Speaker 1: Denzel Mims with the ball in his hands after, like,
Speaker 1: with some room to run, because this year everyone's relying
Speaker 1: on the Pro day numbers when the scout times, I
Speaker 1: Denzel Mins ran it the electronic times. As Dom Green
Speaker 1: told us on the podcast before Sterile Environment, everyone runs
Speaker 1: the same thing. Everything's time the same way. So Denzel Mims, Yes,
Speaker 1: a burner, but well yeah, these guys definitely benefited in
Speaker 1: some kind of way this year the prospects by using
Speaker 1: your home track or whatever. There was no no pro
Speaker 1: day where guys are working out. They're all being tested
Speaker 1: throwing individual schools, which I think inherently isn't an advantage
Speaker 1: for GC these guys coming up. Like we said earlier,
Speaker 1: the Jets have ten picks. It's gonna be exciting to
Speaker 1: see how it all pans out in just a couple
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