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Speaker 1: gonna grade him based upon relevance, stability, recruiting, and future outlook.

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Speaker 1: Players skip Bowl games for the NFL, but will they

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Speaker 1: on with the coordinators in the Pack twelve North, and

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Speaker 1: what's up with the Rooney rule? As far as Marvin

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Speaker 1: George Rice Stir with Ralph Ampston and it's the Pack

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Speaker 1: twelve Apostles. Uh, Ralph, Yes, sir, there's so much going on.

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Speaker 1: There is so much going on in the Pack twelve

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Speaker 1: everything else. But before we even get into the state

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Speaker 1: whole XFL NFL thing. You know, Vince McMahon is starting

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Speaker 1: this new league and it looks great, But I'm looking

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Speaker 1: also how it affects the name, image likeness, how the

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Speaker 1: just kind of have that basic need. Um. You know.

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Speaker 1: It would it would be nice for them to to

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Speaker 1: the prescribed route to get there, because this is one

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Speaker 1: of the only sports that really sort of bunnels you

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Speaker 1: I mean that you live and learn, and that's we've

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Speaker 1: you're saying is that other guy is better than him, right,

430
00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:19,359
Speaker 1: That's that's what you say when you make a hire

431
00:26:19,440 --> 00:26:21,119
Speaker 1: and you bring somebody in, you say that they're a

432
00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,720
Speaker 1: better fit. You're saying they are better, that they're gonna

433
00:26:23,760 --> 00:26:25,480
Speaker 1: be a better coach, they're gonna be a better fit,

434
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:28,080
Speaker 1: they're gonna be a better leader. So when you know,

435
00:26:28,080 --> 00:26:30,760
Speaker 1: when it comes down to like Eric b Enmy, that's

436
00:26:30,800 --> 00:26:33,920
Speaker 1: that's even more insulting to me than when it's Marvin Lewis.

437
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,800
Speaker 1: And it's obvious that you know an owner is just

438
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:40,560
Speaker 1: looking to check the box off on the Rooney rule

439
00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,480
Speaker 1: interview process. If it was up to me, you eliminate

440
00:26:44,520 --> 00:26:50,240
Speaker 1: the Rooney rule completely. You have to interview five candidates minimum,

441
00:26:50,280 --> 00:26:54,520
Speaker 1: and you have to make those interviews public, and so like, yeah,

442
00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 1: people will still hire who they wanted to hire, but

443
00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:01,959
Speaker 1: at least you'll go through the process of getting a

444
00:27:01,960 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 1: bunch more people the experience of having to interview, and

445
00:27:06,000 --> 00:27:09,160
Speaker 1: maybe you change somebody's mind. But we'll find out if

446
00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,080
Speaker 1: there's if there's no racial requirement, we'll find out where

447
00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:15,399
Speaker 1: certain owners hearts are at, even though I think we

448
00:27:15,440 --> 00:27:18,119
Speaker 1: already know. And again it might not be out and

449
00:27:18,160 --> 00:27:21,800
Speaker 1: out prejudice that's fueling some of these decisions, But it's

450
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:24,679
Speaker 1: just absurd to think that like people get this idea

451
00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 1: in their head of who should be their head coach,

452
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:32,359
Speaker 1: they don't give anybody else a chance. It's just it

453
00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,960
Speaker 1: just ends up being nepotism. And and I mean we

454
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: we talked about this. You and I talked about this,

455
00:27:37,840 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: George when Ray Anderson hired herm Edwards that Ray Anderson

456
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:45,040
Speaker 1: had spent all this time his entire career trying to

457
00:27:45,040 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: break up the boys club, right, like, trying to make

458
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: sure that other people got a shot. And what did

459
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 1: he do when he became in a position to be

460
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:57,360
Speaker 1: able to make those hires himself? Hired his friend, right,

461
00:27:57,560 --> 00:28:00,040
Speaker 1: So it's it. It just goes to show you it.

462
00:28:00,119 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: It's it's not always about out and out prejudice. It

463
00:28:04,840 --> 00:28:07,240
Speaker 1: really just comes down to who is in your circle

464
00:28:07,320 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: and who do you trust. And rich old white guys

465
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:13,439
Speaker 1: have a circle full of rich old white guys and

466
00:28:13,480 --> 00:28:16,480
Speaker 1: tend to trust people who look like that. That's all

467
00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 1: it comes down to. And so that is reflected in

468
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:23,720
Speaker 1: the head coaching hierarchy of of the NFL as well

469
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 1: as the interview process. And it's it's just time that

470
00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: it changes. And the Rooney rule has not done anything.

471
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,120
Speaker 1: I don't think to to move things in the direction

472
00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: that that they should. There was one other thing I

473
00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: wanted to bring up, which was that somebody tagged me

474
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:46,920
Speaker 1: in in this UM, but that a recent study UM

475
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:50,400
Speaker 1: pointed out that and I think this is actually from

476
00:28:50,440 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: the Global Sporting Institute at Arizona State UM that they

477
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 1: found that exiting white head coaches were hired for other

478
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,640
Speaker 1: NFL head coaching positions at twice the rate of head

479
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:07,120
Speaker 1: coaches of color fourteen point versus seven point one percent.

480
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,800
Speaker 1: It's not rocket science, dude, it I mean that is

481
00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:19,880
Speaker 1: it's funny that people want to say that, they want

482
00:29:19,920 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: to assume that that sports is always a meritocracy. It's not.

483
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:29,760
Speaker 1: There are politics in play, there are there's nepotism in play.

484
00:29:29,960 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: There's a good old boys club, and if you're not

485
00:29:32,280 --> 00:29:35,400
Speaker 1: in it, it's impossible to get in. I mean, like,

486
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 1: if you took blind resumes of of Eric b Enemy

487
00:29:40,240 --> 00:29:43,680
Speaker 1: and Joe Judge. The Patriots wide receivers haven't been good.

488
00:29:43,720 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: When was the last time the Patriots wide receivers have

489
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: been good? When was the last time there are special

490
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:52,400
Speaker 1: teams were just freaking stell a few years. I mean, like,

491
00:29:52,600 --> 00:29:56,080
Speaker 1: come on, bro, like like unless this dude comes in

492
00:29:56,120 --> 00:30:00,920
Speaker 1: and this gym of John Harbaugh, the science are a joke.

493
00:30:01,320 --> 00:30:04,120
Speaker 1: They wanted Matt Rule, who would have been a legitimate

494
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,080
Speaker 1: head coach. Nobody could have argued about that. Matt Rule

495
00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:12,400
Speaker 1: versus Eric Mannaby, Okay, whatever, But somebody just asked me,

496
00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:15,320
Speaker 1: They said, what does Eric Mannaby need to do to

497
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:18,880
Speaker 1: get a coaching uh to be a head coaching job.

498
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,080
Speaker 1: I said, he needs a new paint job. That's what

499
00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:27,840
Speaker 1: he needs, right. UM. I just yeah, you're absolutely right.

500
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,600
Speaker 1: I just don't know. I don't know what it's going

501
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,960
Speaker 1: to take. Um. I did like that when you know,

502
00:30:34,120 --> 00:30:36,240
Speaker 1: I saw something that you would put on Twitter that

503
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: it's definitely gonna take more uh, more African American coaches

504
00:30:40,080 --> 00:30:42,680
Speaker 1: on the offensive side of the ball, which means more

505
00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,719
Speaker 1: African American quarterbacks essentially. Um. And so maybe it's just

506
00:30:47,760 --> 00:30:50,520
Speaker 1: a matter of being ten fifteen years out from being

507
00:30:50,560 --> 00:30:53,440
Speaker 1: where we should be. But that doesn't mean that we

508
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:57,040
Speaker 1: we we shouldn't kick up dust every time. Uh. You know,

509
00:30:57,360 --> 00:31:02,640
Speaker 1: eight head coaching openings open up every single year, and

510
00:31:03,080 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: you know seven of them are are are filled by

511
00:31:05,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 1: recycled you know, five white dudes. Yeah, if you're if

512
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:17,080
Speaker 1: you're Marvin Lewis, though, is there a point where you say, no,

513
00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,920
Speaker 1: I'm not coming to com interview. I could I mean,

514
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's I mean, I know, it shouldn't

515
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: be his responsibility because he's trying to because he wants

516
00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 1: to work and wants opportunities. But if you know that,

517
00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:34,400
Speaker 1: that's something like that. I mean, but then that goes

518
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,560
Speaker 1: to what Colin Kaepernick did where he was like, this

519
00:31:36,600 --> 00:31:39,760
Speaker 1: isn't a real thing because when NFL teams want to

520
00:31:39,800 --> 00:31:42,400
Speaker 1: bring you in, they just bring you in. Yeah. So

521
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,720
Speaker 1: I mean, like, I mean, it shouldn't be his responsibility

522
00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:49,600
Speaker 1: to turn down an interview. But do you turn down

523
00:31:49,600 --> 00:31:52,280
Speaker 1: an interview, you can look at Marvin Lewis and say like, ah,

524
00:31:52,320 --> 00:31:54,000
Speaker 1: this is your fault because they just would have done

525
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:59,680
Speaker 1: it to somebody else. Um. What I will say is

526
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:03,760
Speaker 1: that it would not break my heart to see a

527
00:32:03,920 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: group of people get together and refuse to interview um

528
00:32:10,320 --> 00:32:12,560
Speaker 1: one year, you know, because we're gonna have eight coaching

529
00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,040
Speaker 1: changes next year, just like we do every year. It

530
00:32:15,200 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: would it would be very interesting to me to see

531
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: UH community of coaches organized and refused to interview outright,

532
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: just for one year, so that nobody could be in

533
00:32:27,200 --> 00:32:31,040
Speaker 1: compliance with the rule, um and see what would happen there.

534
00:32:31,760 --> 00:32:36,400
Speaker 1: But you know, if if that, that's a tough that's

535
00:32:36,400 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: a tough scenario to organize. That's a really tough picket

536
00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,600
Speaker 1: line to not cross when you believe in yourself, in

537
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:44,960
Speaker 1: your abilities, you know. And Marvin Lewis was the head

538
00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:46,880
Speaker 1: coach in the league for a really long time. He

539
00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:50,200
Speaker 1: knows he can do this. So why why would he

540
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 1: be under the impression, having coached a decade and a

541
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:56,840
Speaker 1: half in the NFL, that he would be anything other

542
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,520
Speaker 1: than a series candidate, especially if the other one is

543
00:32:59,560 --> 00:33:03,360
Speaker 1: Mike McCarthy, Especially if Marvin Lewis never once had the

544
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 1: resources that it would have taken or that he would

545
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:10,360
Speaker 1: have received in Dallas. Never did he have the resources

546
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 1: in in Cincinnati that he would have received at the

547
00:33:13,120 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: hands of Jerry Jones. Those two could have made a

548
00:33:15,000 --> 00:33:18,600
Speaker 1: hell of a team. Um. So in his mind, you know,

549
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:20,560
Speaker 1: why why would he bind that. You want to be

550
00:33:20,560 --> 00:33:23,040
Speaker 1: an optimist, you want to he was in the league

551
00:33:23,040 --> 00:33:26,000
Speaker 1: for sixteen years. He's not going to consider the possibility

552
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 1: that he's the one that's, you know, being used in

553
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,040
Speaker 1: this scenario. But I think it's pretty obvious to the

554
00:33:32,080 --> 00:33:35,040
Speaker 1: outside I that you only interview two candidates and you

555
00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:36,440
Speaker 1: go with one of them, and the one you went

556
00:33:36,520 --> 00:33:41,280
Speaker 1: with is the white guy. In the context of our

557
00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:44,880
Speaker 1: country's history and this league's history, what else are you

558
00:33:44,920 --> 00:33:47,400
Speaker 1: supposed to do other than say, like, ah, that looks

559
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:52,080
Speaker 1: like everything else looks yeah. But yeah, but Ralph, they

560
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:57,440
Speaker 1: employ so many millionaires, Ralph, they make vegetarian sell Hamburgers

561
00:33:57,480 --> 00:34:01,239
Speaker 1: like you, you do what it takes, get paid, and

562
00:34:01,360 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 1: so yep. And they know that they can make them billions,

563
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 1: so they don't mind. So they understand that paying them

564
00:34:09,920 --> 00:34:13,200
Speaker 1: millions is a is a is a must only because

565
00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:17,799
Speaker 1: they unionized only because of Kurt Kurt Flood and you know,

566
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,480
Speaker 1: Reggie White and people like that and other people who

567
00:34:20,480 --> 00:34:22,720
Speaker 1: crossed the picket line. And we'll be able to challenge

568
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: in federal court. Like, come on, man, but we can

569
00:34:26,160 --> 00:34:28,680
Speaker 1: get back to the pack Pack twelve now, Ralph, it

570
00:34:28,800 --> 00:34:33,160
Speaker 1: is uh. It is time for the state of the

571
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 1: Union of the Pack twelve, the state of the union

572
00:34:37,000 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: of every team in the Pack twelve conference. I guess

573
00:34:46,239 --> 00:34:49,160
Speaker 1: we can take it down a little bit because we're

574
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: just so hot on that. Man. It's I'm still just

575
00:34:53,040 --> 00:35:02,880
Speaker 1: obviously bothered, but you know, and that was a terrible transition,

576
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:05,480
Speaker 1: and I think about it, I was like, wow, Like,

577
00:35:05,520 --> 00:35:07,840
Speaker 1: how do you take it from way up there? You

578
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,160
Speaker 1: take it? You take it to the actually does employ

579
00:35:11,440 --> 00:35:16,520
Speaker 1: minority candidates? Like yeah, I'm let's let's talk the one

580
00:35:16,560 --> 00:35:19,479
Speaker 1: conference that actually does a really good job of making

581
00:35:19,480 --> 00:35:21,760
Speaker 1: sure the best man for the job has the job.

582
00:35:24,200 --> 00:35:27,399
Speaker 1: I like that, Ralph, wait to see see. Look, this

583
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:31,719
Speaker 1: is this is why it takes a village. So we're

584
00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:35,640
Speaker 1: gonna rank the state of every Pack twelve team based

585
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:45,640
Speaker 1: upon four criteria relevance which means topical relevance, pop culture, newsworthiness,

586
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: and is all publicity good publicity stability, with a second

587
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 1: category which means coaching turnover, your over overall record, are

588
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,480
Speaker 1: you flatlining? Are you trading in the right direction? Is

589
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:05,440
Speaker 1: the arrow up or down? Recruiting literally results based, I mean,

590
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:08,399
Speaker 1: are you getting good recruiting classes bad? How? And what

591
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 1: is the what is the vibe like in the streets

592
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,880
Speaker 1: of from the recruits about your team, and last, but

593
00:36:15,000 --> 00:36:18,280
Speaker 1: not least, future outlook In terms of Pack twelve national

594
00:36:18,400 --> 00:36:23,439
Speaker 1: champions championships, Pack twelve championships or national championships and being

595
00:36:23,520 --> 00:36:28,799
Speaker 1: in that conversation. So, uh, I Ralph, you had a

596
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,279
Speaker 1: great idea earlier because I was like, what order should

597
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:33,920
Speaker 1: we go in? And Ralph just said the most sensible

598
00:36:34,120 --> 00:36:38,399
Speaker 1: solution just going alphabetical order. She's going to alphabetical order.

599
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,120
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, that that makes things so much

600
00:36:42,160 --> 00:36:50,359
Speaker 1: better easy as ABC. So um, and we're scoring it

601
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 1: on a hundred points system. Hundred points system, you get

602
00:36:55,719 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: twenty five for each category and we will go from there.

603
00:37:00,280 --> 00:37:05,879
Speaker 1: We will start out with the first team, the Arizona Wildcats,

604
00:37:05,880 --> 00:37:12,080
Speaker 1: the Arizona formerly known as the Arizona Amsons because uh,

605
00:37:12,200 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 1: because now that caliltate has gone era, he no longer

606
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 1: has the responsibility of taking their water and wearing the burden. Well. Uh,

607
00:37:22,520 --> 00:37:24,279
Speaker 1: First of all, I want to acknowledge that like this

608
00:37:24,320 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 1: scoring system is is. I mean, it's one way to

609
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:31,440
Speaker 1: do it, but it's definitely when you equally weight relevant stability,

610
00:37:31,520 --> 00:37:34,960
Speaker 1: recruiting in the future outlook of the program. Um. You know,

611
00:37:35,000 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 1: obviously those things aren't necessarily equal. Some things are going

612
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:42,800
Speaker 1: to be more important than others. Being a relevant program

613
00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,359
Speaker 1: sort of the influences the rest of it, especially if

614
00:37:46,360 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: that relevance is good. Um, but uh, this is the

615
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:52,920
Speaker 1: way that we chose to do it, and I think

616
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,399
Speaker 1: that when when it's all said and done, I think

617
00:37:55,440 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: that the order of things in the score that we

618
00:37:57,400 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: gave these teams probably accurately refle x how we feel

619
00:38:01,600 --> 00:38:06,200
Speaker 1: about them moving into the season. Uh So, first up,

620
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,880
Speaker 1: for the University of Arizona, UM, I do not feel

621
00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 1: that they are a relevant program. UM that they struggle

622
00:38:13,120 --> 00:38:16,080
Speaker 1: a little bit with sort of their location and not

623
00:38:16,160 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: being a major media market. One of the things that

624
00:38:18,239 --> 00:38:21,720
Speaker 1: makes them the most relevant right now after the departure

625
00:38:21,760 --> 00:38:25,279
Speaker 1: of Khaliltate is really Kevin Someone. And we talked about,

626
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: you know, all press sort of being relevant press here. UM.

627
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:31,840
Speaker 1: You know, it's not necessarily for the best of reasons

628
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,600
Speaker 1: right now, but I think that Kevin Someone being a

629
00:38:34,640 --> 00:38:38,920
Speaker 1: well known national name is what really gives them any relevance. Uh.

630
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:42,279
Speaker 1: They are not a stable program. They just uh had

631
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:44,479
Speaker 1: a four and eight season. They back to back years

632
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:48,000
Speaker 1: of not going to Bowls. They just finished firing Rich

633
00:38:48,120 --> 00:38:51,800
Speaker 1: Rod who was having uh an affair and was got

634
00:38:51,840 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 1: sued by the woman, uh by another woman who worked

635
00:38:55,760 --> 00:38:59,200
Speaker 1: in in the program. And they're dealing with that, UM

636
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: that lawsuit. UM all sorts of wild accusations that are

637
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: probably not true that this lady made about just rich

638
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:11,239
Speaker 1: Rod's behavior, and um, I mean crazy stuff like like

639
00:39:11,320 --> 00:39:16,520
Speaker 1: he knew of Zach Hmela's drug problem before Zach Hamela overdosed,

640
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: like just real ugliness in the program down here, the

641
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: the attendance is down, winning is down. UM, so you know,

642
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: I gave him a pretty low score. They're recruiting. They're

643
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:32,280
Speaker 1: currently eleventh of twelve in the in the Pact twelve

644
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: and the recruiting has not been great the last couple

645
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:37,359
Speaker 1: of years, and future outlook to me is also not

646
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: something that that that looks very good either. So, all

647
00:39:40,840 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: said and done, the highest score I gave them was

648
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,439
Speaker 1: in relevance. I gave him a ten out of twenty five,

649
00:39:46,120 --> 00:39:48,319
Speaker 1: gave them five's across the board after that, to give

650
00:39:48,360 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 1: them a total score of twenty five out of one out.

651
00:39:53,120 --> 00:39:58,000
Speaker 1: That's pretty bad. Yeah, well, well okay, so I gave

652
00:39:58,160 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 1: them for all the reasons that you said. So relevance.

653
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: I mean, their negative publicity has been so bad that

654
00:40:10,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: all publicity can't even be good public publicity for them.

655
00:40:15,080 --> 00:40:18,080
Speaker 1: I mean it's so bad. I mean I remember watching

656
00:40:18,280 --> 00:40:23,840
Speaker 1: a UM a real sports thing about the track, about

657
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,520
Speaker 1: the track coach story and so yeah, So I gave

658
00:40:28,600 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 1: them a five for relevance. They actually should want to

659
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:34,759
Speaker 1: stay irrelevant for a couple for a little bit, or

660
00:40:34,880 --> 00:40:37,880
Speaker 1: try to put some money into research hopefully that they

661
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:39,840
Speaker 1: can come up with something, to come up with something

662
00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:42,799
Speaker 1: great that they can get some good press out there.

663
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:45,560
Speaker 1: I gave him a five for relevance. I gave them

664
00:40:45,600 --> 00:40:50,400
Speaker 1: a nine for stability only because I mean, Kevin Somelan's

665
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 1: there and they brought him back and he's got a contract,

666
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,600
Speaker 1: So I guess you're sort of stable, right, And then

667
00:40:58,640 --> 00:41:00,719
Speaker 1: I gave them a five for rooting. Like you said,

668
00:41:00,719 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 1: the eleventh out of twelfth in the pact, twell, you know,

669
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: barely held onto their to their best recruit. He was

670
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,040
Speaker 1: talking about maybe signing with San Diego State. It was

671
00:41:11,080 --> 00:41:14,880
Speaker 1: just a zoo dude. Recruiting not going well, which is

672
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:19,080
Speaker 1: what Kevin Sumling was brought in to do, and future

673
00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,279
Speaker 1: outlook it is awful. I gave them a five for

674
00:41:22,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: that for a grand told of twenty four. Honestly, you're

675
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:29,920
Speaker 1: even harder on them than I was. Yeah, yeah, when

676
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:32,640
Speaker 1: I first heard your score, I was like out Ralph

677
00:41:32,719 --> 00:41:34,319
Speaker 1: and then I looked at me and I was like, well, no,

678
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:38,640
Speaker 1: that got twenty four. That's terrible. It's terrible. Um So

679
00:41:39,200 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: from I just don't see anything positive happening in Arizona

680
00:41:45,640 --> 00:41:49,600
Speaker 1: right now. I mean, I obviously, the men's basketball team

681
00:41:49,640 --> 00:41:53,640
Speaker 1: seems to have escaped some uh some FBI trouble at

682
00:41:53,680 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: least for now. But but I don't even I mean,

683
00:41:59,600 --> 00:42:03,160
Speaker 1: and they're head coach made it through after being on tape.

684
00:42:03,200 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 1: I mean, all sorts of things. But it just doesn't

685
00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:10,080
Speaker 1: seem like this football program is going anywhere fast. They

686
00:42:10,120 --> 00:42:12,879
Speaker 1: have no shot to winning the Pack twelve anytime soon

687
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: within the next two years. First that would be that

688
00:42:15,680 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 1: would be the biggest and then and then it would

689
00:42:18,560 --> 00:42:22,960
Speaker 1: really come down to, like, uh, Grant and l running

690
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: Norma Zoni's system so perfectly that they never even have

691
00:42:30,320 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 1: to worry about defense. It's gonna be it's gonna be

692
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,799
Speaker 1: a tough road for Arizona to get back, dude. They

693
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: would They would need to win the to win the

694
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:44,640
Speaker 1: entire Pact twelves, which include would include beating Oregon, Cow

695
00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:49,440
Speaker 1: or Washington in the PAC twelve championship game next in

696
00:42:49,480 --> 00:42:53,720
Speaker 1: the next two seasons, or maybe throw Stanford in there too.

697
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,040
Speaker 1: I mean that that would be that would be an

698
00:42:57,080 --> 00:43:02,759
Speaker 1: Angels in the outfield level miracle. UH. The next team up,

699
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: Arizona State. What do you have for Arizona State. Well,

700
00:43:06,600 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: I mean, as far as far as relevance goes, I

701
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,960
Speaker 1: gave them a twenty out of which, you know, I

702
00:43:12,200 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 1: think we got a decent audience of some Arizona State

703
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 1: listeners that might think that that's ridiculous. But the truth

704
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:23,000
Speaker 1: of the matter is until they are beating USC in

705
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:28,440
Speaker 1: recruiting and on the field, UM, you know, that's still

706
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,120
Speaker 1: that that's going to continue to be an issue. Nationally.

707
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:36,520
Speaker 1: Arizona State is looked at sort of as the UM,

708
00:43:36,560 --> 00:43:39,919
Speaker 1: the so cal like fallback school, right like the one

709
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:43,160
Speaker 1: you go to if you don't get into your UM,

710
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:45,920
Speaker 1: the school you really want to go to because you're

711
00:43:45,920 --> 00:43:49,359
Speaker 1: guaranteed to have a really, really good time there. UM.

712
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:52,640
Speaker 1: And I think that, you know, outside of maybe very recently,

713
00:43:52,760 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: that's kind of been how it's been viewed by some

714
00:43:55,960 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: UH football recruits. UM. Also, relevance comes from inning UH

715
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:05,040
Speaker 1: and Arizona State. It just came off their third consecutive

716
00:44:05,200 --> 00:44:09,160
Speaker 1: seven win regular season UH and just got their first

717
00:44:09,239 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: bull win since two thousand and fourteen, but did so

718
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 1: without scoring any touchdowns on offense. They have had a

719
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,920
Speaker 1: few players drafted UM, and at the same time, they

720
00:44:18,920 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: stay in the news for you know, dumb stuff like

721
00:44:22,440 --> 00:44:25,120
Speaker 1: Lori Laughlin going to jail because she doesn't want her

722
00:44:25,200 --> 00:44:29,440
Speaker 1: kids to go there, you know, like it's it's UM.

723
00:44:29,480 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: It's interesting because I think Arizona State is the most

724
00:44:32,640 --> 00:44:36,560
Speaker 1: populous campus. I think anybody who has any experience at

725
00:44:36,600 --> 00:44:40,120
Speaker 1: Arizona State, whether coming into play UM as a road

726
00:44:40,160 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: team or just you know, coming in to visit family

727
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:46,160
Speaker 1: or just going to school there, absolutely loves it. But

728
00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,320
Speaker 1: they still have to overcome that sort of weird UM

729
00:44:49,800 --> 00:44:53,440
Speaker 1: national reputation of being not as good as other schools

730
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 1: um stability. I put in an eight teen out of

731
00:44:57,280 --> 00:45:00,839
Speaker 1: because while it really feels like they have a cornerstone

732
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:04,840
Speaker 1: and rock in place at head coach who isn't planning

733
00:45:04,880 --> 00:45:07,960
Speaker 1: ongoing anywhere UM, this is sort of the swan song

734
00:45:08,040 --> 00:45:11,560
Speaker 1: of his career, and that he's really boied by Antonio

735
00:45:11,640 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: Pierce sort of being an assistant head coach and everything

736
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,960
Speaker 1: like that. They've had to replace coordinators four times in

737
00:45:17,000 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 1: the last five years, and so that really affects the

738
00:45:20,120 --> 00:45:24,480
Speaker 1: ability to run any consistent system or have any consistent success.

739
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:26,200
Speaker 1: And a lot of that's been because some of those

740
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:28,040
Speaker 1: guys are getting promotion. So I don't want it to,

741
00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: you know, count too hard against UM Arizona State when

742
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 1: people are coming to take coaches from you, But when

743
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:38,880
Speaker 1: it happens every year, it really keeps you from UM

744
00:45:38,920 --> 00:45:42,279
Speaker 1: being on solid ground. Recruiting is going well, it's not

745
00:45:42,360 --> 00:45:45,359
Speaker 1: going as good as it could go. There's still UM

746
00:45:45,400 --> 00:45:48,320
Speaker 1: are are in a situation where you know, they aren't

747
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: going to have any senior offensive lineman next year without

748
00:45:52,160 --> 00:45:57,120
Speaker 1: some grad transfers and only one junior offensive lineman UM.

749
00:45:57,200 --> 00:45:59,640
Speaker 1: So while they are doing a great job at skill positions,

750
00:45:59,680 --> 00:46:02,400
Speaker 1: often defensive lines are are still kind of a problem.

751
00:46:02,600 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 1: So I gave them a solid beat, you know, a

752
00:46:04,200 --> 00:46:07,800
Speaker 1: twenty there and future outlook. I think that they look good,

753
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 1: but I don't think that there's really any guarantees there. Um.

754
00:46:11,120 --> 00:46:15,560
Speaker 1: You know, Jaden Daniels is a fantastic quarterback who did

755
00:46:15,560 --> 00:46:19,719
Speaker 1: a in my opinion, a fantastic job of protecting the

756
00:46:19,800 --> 00:46:24,240
Speaker 1: ball that he had a plus eleven uh in interceptions

757
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:26,960
Speaker 1: UM in the in the eight wins that they had

758
00:46:27,000 --> 00:46:30,400
Speaker 1: last year, which means he threw zero in Arizona States

759
00:46:30,440 --> 00:46:32,879
Speaker 1: defense went out and got eleven. But in those eight wins,

760
00:46:32,920 --> 00:46:35,279
Speaker 1: he only had a nine touchdown passes. So if he

761
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 1: steps it up and he grows, maybe that should be

762
00:46:37,200 --> 00:46:38,400
Speaker 1: more than a twenty. But I have it at a

763
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 1: twenty right now, which gives them a seventy eight out

764
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,560
Speaker 1: of a hundred uh total score. I came up with

765
00:46:44,640 --> 00:46:47,600
Speaker 1: the same score, but a different way of getting there.

766
00:46:48,600 --> 00:46:53,080
Speaker 1: So I gave Arizona State a twenty for relevance. My

767
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 1: reasons were a little bit different. It's just from their

768
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,719
Speaker 1: star factor. They have Jaden Daniels, who could be the

769
00:46:58,760 --> 00:47:01,640
Speaker 1: future in a pack twelve, could be a Heisman Trophy candidate,

770
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:07,319
Speaker 1: and players have wanted to come play with him. Her

771
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:13,080
Speaker 1: meed words big national name. Obviously, the you the Arizona

772
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:19,719
Speaker 1: State brand in terms of football nationally is not. It's

773
00:47:19,760 --> 00:47:25,880
Speaker 1: not super strong, like when people say Arizona State nationally,

774
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:29,080
Speaker 1: they don't say, oh, this is a team that's gonna

775
00:47:29,120 --> 00:47:32,399
Speaker 1: be tough like they don't say that yet, or they

776
00:47:32,440 --> 00:47:36,600
Speaker 1: don't say like, you don't get uh like big respect

777
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:40,920
Speaker 1: from an Arizona State win yet. So I wanted to

778
00:47:40,920 --> 00:47:43,480
Speaker 1: give it a little bit lower, Like if it weren't

779
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:45,759
Speaker 1: for her and for Jane Daniels, they probably would have

780
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,040
Speaker 1: got about a six team for relevance because I don't

781
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:52,040
Speaker 1: think anybody talks about them consistently in the national conversation.

782
00:47:52,520 --> 00:47:55,080
Speaker 1: But this year they were ranked some so they got

783
00:47:55,120 --> 00:47:57,799
Speaker 1: some buzz there and then you're gonna get some Jade

784
00:47:57,880 --> 00:48:01,480
Speaker 1: Daniels talk coming up into twenty twenty and herm will

785
00:48:01,520 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: always help drive the needle as well as long as

786
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: as well as Antonio Piers, Kevin Mawai and other NFL

787
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:14,799
Speaker 1: veteran guys who bring some attention to the university when

788
00:48:14,800 --> 00:48:17,760
Speaker 1: people write articles about them even if it's not necessarily

789
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:20,399
Speaker 1: attached to the university as well, or do pieces on them.

790
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,759
Speaker 1: I gave them a for stability. I gave him a

791
00:48:24,800 --> 00:48:28,920
Speaker 1: twenty two. Um. I hear your point about the coaching

792
00:48:29,360 --> 00:48:33,960
Speaker 1: change it changeover, turnover with some of the coordinators especially,

793
00:48:34,000 --> 00:48:36,359
Speaker 1: but a lot of them did get promoted. And when

794
00:48:36,400 --> 00:48:39,120
Speaker 1: you win and when people think you're doing a good job,

795
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:42,520
Speaker 1: you're gonna get promotions. So I mean, look at Alaba.

796
00:48:42,680 --> 00:48:47,800
Speaker 1: At Alabama, they're their assistant coaches have been fairly unstable

797
00:48:47,800 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: because they're all getting head coach of jobs. So but

798
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:56,120
Speaker 1: at the same time, their head coaching and the foundation

799
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,120
Speaker 1: of the program is rock solid with Nick Saban and

800
00:48:59,160 --> 00:49:02,319
Speaker 1: the way they do things. So I gave Arizona State

801
00:49:02,400 --> 00:49:05,840
Speaker 1: high marks for that. With a twenty two recruiting I

802
00:49:05,880 --> 00:49:09,359
Speaker 1: gave eighteen because they're they're they're hot right now. They're

803
00:49:09,400 --> 00:49:11,960
Speaker 1: they're a new pretty girl on the on the side

804
00:49:12,000 --> 00:49:15,319
Speaker 1: of the that arrived on campus. Everybody's trying to holler

805
00:49:15,400 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: at her. But the question is can you keep can

806
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:23,440
Speaker 1: you keep that up? How long can you keep you know,

807
00:49:23,680 --> 00:49:27,440
Speaker 1: plucking guys out of southern California at some point in time,

808
00:49:27,880 --> 00:49:31,879
Speaker 1: the I get I only gave me eighteen, even though

809
00:49:31,920 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: this was a very successful recruiting class for them, because

810
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:38,000
Speaker 1: a it could have been better. They need to boast

811
00:49:38,000 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 1: of the officive line. And then the biggest reason is

812
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:44,520
Speaker 1: because they missed out on kids from the state of Arizona.

813
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: I don't think that they hit the state of Arizona

814
00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:50,120
Speaker 1: hard enough. Like the the whole Cally thing. I see

815
00:49:50,120 --> 00:49:53,440
Speaker 1: that marketing marketing, marketing CALLI Cally Cally, But a lot

816
00:49:53,520 --> 00:49:55,520
Speaker 1: of good kids came out of the state of Arizona.

817
00:49:57,400 --> 00:49:59,640
Speaker 1: I mean, so yeah, so I thought that that was

818
00:49:59,800 --> 00:50:02,080
Speaker 1: a place that could have been better. But in terms

819
00:50:02,080 --> 00:50:05,600
Speaker 1: of future outlook, I gave my eighteen on that, Yes,

820
00:50:06,480 --> 00:50:10,080
Speaker 1: because next year doesn't look like a potential championship pack

821
00:50:10,120 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: twelve championship team. Don't think the office of line is

822
00:50:12,840 --> 00:50:16,160
Speaker 1: good enough. You're gonna be young at running back, young

823
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,080
Speaker 1: at wide receiver. But the year after that in one,

824
00:50:20,239 --> 00:50:23,880
Speaker 1: I think that this is a potential pack twelve team

825
00:50:24,120 --> 00:50:26,960
Speaker 1: champion team or team that can really compete for it.

826
00:50:27,360 --> 00:50:31,120
Speaker 1: And I give them an eighteen. Uh yeah for a

827
00:50:31,160 --> 00:50:36,040
Speaker 1: grand total of seventy eight points. Ralph. Um. Yeah, the

828
00:50:36,120 --> 00:50:40,320
Speaker 1: little sore subject there with the uh uh in state recruiting,

829
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:43,120
Speaker 1: but they did more than make up for it in California.

830
00:50:43,160 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: I think, Um, next up, we got cal and uh.

831
00:50:47,440 --> 00:50:50,279
Speaker 1: This one is interesting because it's gonna feel it's gonna

832
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,160
Speaker 1: feel harsh, But a lot of it just has to

833
00:50:52,239 --> 00:50:55,000
Speaker 1: do with the fact that I feel like they are

834
00:50:55,120 --> 00:50:57,920
Speaker 1: overlooked um. And that's why I gave them a thirteen

835
00:50:57,960 --> 00:51:02,879
Speaker 1: out of twenty five, just for relevance, um, in order

836
00:51:02,920 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: to get Cal uh some national buzz. You know, you

837
00:51:07,719 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 1: don't hear a lot of people talking about you know,

838
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: justin Wilcox, even though you know, people should be talking

839
00:51:12,560 --> 00:51:15,040
Speaker 1: about Justin Wilcox maybe more than they talk about a

840
00:51:15,040 --> 00:51:17,919
Speaker 1: guy like Mike Leach, you know who. Um, he's out

841
00:51:17,960 --> 00:51:21,520
Speaker 1: here building an up and coming program. Uh and and

842
00:51:21,600 --> 00:51:24,399
Speaker 1: has done a lot as an assistant. Uh And he's

843
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: somebody who could have a bright future, whether that's at

844
00:51:26,480 --> 00:51:28,640
Speaker 1: CAL or you know, somewhere else in the Pack twelve

845
00:51:28,680 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: over the NFL. UM you know, but for some reason

846
00:51:32,600 --> 00:51:35,680
Speaker 1: that that Cal brand just isn't super strong right now.

847
00:51:36,160 --> 00:51:38,399
Speaker 1: The one thing that Cal did for years and years

848
00:51:38,400 --> 00:51:42,799
Speaker 1: and years was produced like superior athletes. Um. You know,

849
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 1: well you had Deshaun Jackson, but also at the same

850
00:51:44,760 --> 00:51:46,839
Speaker 1: time you had like five running backs in a row

851
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:49,480
Speaker 1: that all went on to you know, to have a

852
00:51:49,480 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 1: cup of coffee in the NFL, or actually make an

853
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,880
Speaker 1: impact in the NFL. UM right now, you know, outside

854
00:51:54,920 --> 00:51:57,760
Speaker 1: of Evan Weaver, who got some love in the Pack twelve,

855
00:51:57,840 --> 00:52:00,959
Speaker 1: but not necessarily nationally, you don't really here much about

856
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,520
Speaker 1: what's going on. Um. You know, stability, they did just

857
00:52:05,640 --> 00:52:08,640
Speaker 1: make the change at offensive coordinator. They haven't had a

858
00:52:08,640 --> 00:52:12,760
Speaker 1: whole lot of consistency. When Chase Garber's isn't on the field.

859
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:16,200
Speaker 1: You know, you don't want that big of a drop off, um,

860
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:20,040
Speaker 1: just from one player. Obviously, anybody's gonna take a hit

861
00:52:20,080 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: if they're starting quarterback, isn't good to go. But you

862
00:52:23,200 --> 00:52:26,400
Speaker 1: don't want it to be the difference between being competitive

863
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:28,279
Speaker 1: and not being competitive. You don't want to be that

864
00:52:28,520 --> 00:52:33,560
Speaker 1: heavily leveraged UM in one direction for recruiting. UM, I

865
00:52:33,600 --> 00:52:36,440
Speaker 1: have them at an eighteen out and the only reason

866
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:40,080
Speaker 1: that it's an eight teen UM is because to you know,

867
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:43,640
Speaker 1: to me they're just nailing so many very very good

868
00:52:43,680 --> 00:52:47,000
Speaker 1: three star recruits is that they're not getting really any

869
00:52:47,040 --> 00:52:50,440
Speaker 1: marquee players. They're winning a whole lot of battles, you know,

870
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:52,920
Speaker 1: with teams like UTAH, U, c l A, stuff like

871
00:52:52,960 --> 00:52:55,560
Speaker 1: that for for some of these guys, even with a

872
00:52:55,719 --> 00:52:58,239
Speaker 1: s U for some of these guys. But but you know,

873
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:00,920
Speaker 1: until they can get the attend tion of you know,

874
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,560
Speaker 1: a couple of four stars and five stars that maybe

875
00:53:03,560 --> 00:53:07,279
Speaker 1: you wouldn't expect them to get otherwise, UM, I'm I'm

876
00:53:07,320 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 1: giving them an eighteen out of twenty five there and

877
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:13,479
Speaker 1: then a future outlook. I think that they very much

878
00:53:13,560 --> 00:53:17,759
Speaker 1: have the ability if everything goes their way, which it

879
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: really that's the one thing you can't depend on. But

880
00:53:21,000 --> 00:53:23,799
Speaker 1: if everything goes their way, that this is a team

881
00:53:23,880 --> 00:53:27,640
Speaker 1: that could potentially win the Pack twelve North this year.

882
00:53:27,680 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: And so um I gave them a twenty out of

883
00:53:30,600 --> 00:53:34,920
Speaker 1: twenty five. Could be higher, but you just can't depend

884
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: on this team to stay healthy. And you have to

885
00:53:37,080 --> 00:53:39,400
Speaker 1: ask yourself if they're deep enough and if they're going

886
00:53:39,480 --> 00:53:42,120
Speaker 1: to be able to replace enough people on the defensive

887
00:53:42,160 --> 00:53:43,680
Speaker 1: side of the ball. But either way, I think they

888
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:46,200
Speaker 1: are going to be good. And that leaves me with

889
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:48,440
Speaker 1: a final score for them of sixty six out of

890
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: And mind you, we didn't consult with each other on

891
00:53:52,160 --> 00:53:55,640
Speaker 1: these rankings. They I find it interesting we came up

892
00:53:55,680 --> 00:53:59,440
Speaker 1: with the same number for the same for the one

893
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:03,880
Speaker 1: one off on here, but we got there two completely

894
00:54:04,200 --> 00:54:10,160
Speaker 1: different routes for relevance. I only gave Cala ten, which

895
00:54:10,239 --> 00:54:15,160
Speaker 1: is only five points higher than Arizona. I just don't

896
00:54:15,200 --> 00:54:21,279
Speaker 1: like nobody talks about cow Nobody. I mean, they they

897
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:25,839
Speaker 1: aren't into They are like the San Diego Chargers. They

898
00:54:25,920 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 1: got a lot of good stuff going on there, good

899
00:54:29,120 --> 00:54:34,439
Speaker 1: head coach and Anthony Lynn. But you're like, like it's

900
00:54:34,480 --> 00:54:38,280
Speaker 1: like a I mean, they are the dry eyes, clear

901
00:54:38,320 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: eye guy. Just hi, I'm I'm here. They are the

902
00:54:43,400 --> 00:54:46,520
Speaker 1: They are the person who who gets to be a spy,

903
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:51,040
Speaker 1: who can hide in plain sight. They're very unassuming. They're

904
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 1: the people that you passed by and you didn't even notice.

905
00:54:54,440 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: That is that is Cow. I'm sorry to say it,

906
00:54:57,040 --> 00:54:59,520
Speaker 1: but that's where they striking relevance. They get a tent,

907
00:55:00,400 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 1: but they do beat good teams and they're very formidable.

908
00:55:05,239 --> 00:55:08,279
Speaker 1: So they don't get a five or lower. They get

909
00:55:08,280 --> 00:55:10,439
Speaker 1: a ten because they're gonna be talked about because they're

910
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:16,600
Speaker 1: gonna win. Um. I gave them a twenty three first ability.

911
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:19,759
Speaker 1: They haven't had a ton of coaching turnover. Tim the

912
00:55:19,840 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 1: Reuters still there there, Gerald Alexander their defensive back coach.

913
00:55:25,120 --> 00:55:30,920
Speaker 1: You got Peter Sermon, linebackers coach. They've had a aside

914
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:34,600
Speaker 1: from getting rid of their offensive coordinator this year and

915
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:40,040
Speaker 1: replacing him with Bill Musgrave, who's a veteran NFL coach.

916
00:55:40,120 --> 00:55:43,799
Speaker 1: He coached for a former Oregon guy. He coached me

917
00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: in Jacksonville as well. He was an office coordinator there

918
00:55:46,640 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: for a little bit, so he should do he should

919
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,919
Speaker 1: do well at COW. I don't think he's a world beater.

920
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:56,120
Speaker 1: At offensive coordinator. But he has experienced, He's seen a

921
00:55:56,120 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: lot of things and he should help Cow's offense elevate. Um.

922
00:56:00,960 --> 00:56:04,040
Speaker 1: I gave them a fifteam for recruiting. They're doing a

923
00:56:04,040 --> 00:56:08,279
Speaker 1: good job for a Cow, but they don't have that

924
00:56:08,400 --> 00:56:13,800
Speaker 1: buzz on the street where UM. Whenever I talked to coaches,

925
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:18,200
Speaker 1: I talked they always talk about logos. They say logos

926
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,439
Speaker 1: matter when you're going in to go talk to high

927
00:56:20,440 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: school recruits. Logos matter. If you have a certain logo

928
00:56:25,000 --> 00:56:30,160
Speaker 1: on your chest, it gets the conversations are different, you know.

929
00:56:30,360 --> 00:56:33,760
Speaker 1: And the coach told me the conversations were different when

930
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,600
Speaker 1: he went in as a when when he went in

931
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: as a Montana coach, as opposed to if he's at

932
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,040
Speaker 1: a different at a Pact twelve school, it's a different conversation.

933
00:56:44,040 --> 00:56:47,480
Speaker 1: If you're at Washington State, the conversation is different. Then

934
00:56:47,480 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 1: if you come in with a USC logo on, come

935
00:56:50,600 --> 00:56:52,880
Speaker 1: in with Arizona State logo, come in with an Oregon

936
00:56:54,200 --> 00:56:58,319
Speaker 1: UH logo, those conversations are different. So I gave them

937
00:56:58,440 --> 00:57:01,239
Speaker 1: a fifteam for recruiting. Ever crudent, good kids who are

938
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:06,279
Speaker 1: who are UH turning out to be good players, But

939
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:11,480
Speaker 1: at the same time, it's not elite yet and um

940
00:57:11,680 --> 00:57:16,720
Speaker 1: future outlook. I gave them an eighteen because is this

941
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:20,040
Speaker 1: a team that can compete contend for the Pack twelve North. Yes,

942
00:57:20,160 --> 00:57:23,120
Speaker 1: especially with Chase Garbers as a junior, all these things

943
00:57:23,160 --> 00:57:28,840
Speaker 1: I see it. The only problem with Cal, though, is

944
00:57:28,840 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: is that I think that they're dependent on their coaches

945
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: more than they are their players. That and by and

946
00:57:42,480 --> 00:57:44,960
Speaker 1: by that, Ralph, I mean that they are more dependent

947
00:57:45,120 --> 00:57:49,560
Speaker 1: on like their coaches have to scheme, coach them up,

948
00:57:49,840 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 1: get them better. Like this is like a very Utah

949
00:57:52,640 --> 00:57:56,760
Speaker 1: situation to where at some schools, like your talent can

950
00:57:56,800 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 1: win you games at USC, your quarterback and your wide receivers,

951
00:58:01,720 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: breaking tackles, making jump balls, all these things. Like these

952
00:58:04,480 --> 00:58:08,080
Speaker 1: things players can overcome the coaching. At CAL. I think

953
00:58:08,080 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 1: the coaching has to overcome the players a little before,

954
00:58:11,520 --> 00:58:17,480
Speaker 1: so I give them a sixty six. All right, that's fair,

955
00:58:17,560 --> 00:58:20,880
Speaker 1: that's fair. Um. I feel like CAL and Utah probably

956
00:58:20,880 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: in the same situation there. But Utah has just had

957
00:58:24,880 --> 00:58:29,080
Speaker 1: a couple of more transcendent talents um in recent years

958
00:58:29,120 --> 00:58:34,000
Speaker 1: than than Cattle Uh, Colorado. This is a weird one

959
00:58:34,920 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: because a lot of the relevance of Colorado is just

960
00:58:41,680 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: sort of based on the fact that, like, there's still

961
00:58:44,600 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: a lot of people out there that want Colorado to

962
00:58:47,520 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: be good, um, even though they really haven't been. They

963
00:58:52,720 --> 00:58:56,360
Speaker 1: did have the one good year, um didn't sustain it

964
00:58:56,920 --> 00:58:59,600
Speaker 1: back to back five and seven seasons, and momentum is

965
00:58:59,680 --> 00:59:03,680
Speaker 1: deafer only in their favor. But I gave Colorado fifteen

966
00:59:03,680 --> 00:59:08,720
Speaker 1: out on relevance just because there they are relevant insofar

967
00:59:08,800 --> 00:59:17,400
Speaker 1: as they are Colorado's only major college football program, um,

968
00:59:17,480 --> 00:59:19,960
Speaker 1: and they have the history that they have. I mean,

969
00:59:20,000 --> 00:59:23,439
Speaker 1: if you ask people about University of Colorado football, yeah,

970
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,040
Speaker 1: I mean, if you ask anybody like, name me the

971
00:59:26,120 --> 00:59:29,680
Speaker 1: first University of Colorado football player that comes into your head,

972
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:33,960
Speaker 1: They're probably going to say a quarterback or Shan Salam

973
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: or Cordell Stewart. They're gonna go to two decades back,

974
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: right like there and so, but those are still two

975
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,960
Speaker 1: very relevant names, you know. They the Colorado did make

976
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: a large impact in college football. Colorado is relevant like

977
00:59:50,240 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: b y U is relevant, right, Like it's an important

978
00:59:53,600 --> 00:59:58,120
Speaker 1: college football brand to a generation that is just maybe

979
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:04,240
Speaker 1: one generation h past due. Right it's not uh and so, um,

980
01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:06,919
Speaker 1: you can't say they are irrelevant and you'll probably never

981
01:00:06,960 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: be able to say that they're irrelevant. But they're not

982
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:13,760
Speaker 1: winning right now and they're not doing Yeah, but people

983
01:00:13,800 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: have forgotten about the past though, Like the kids now

984
01:00:16,800 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 1: don't don't know that when I play, when Colorado was

985
01:00:21,640 --> 01:00:26,840
Speaker 1: into Big twelve, that they were a force, that they

986
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:30,800
Speaker 1: were that they were a real college football program as

987
01:00:30,840 --> 01:00:33,200
Speaker 1: opposed to like a Pack twelve doormat, which is and

988
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:35,680
Speaker 1: I think that that that helps their relevance as well,

989
01:00:35,960 --> 01:00:40,440
Speaker 1: like um, you know, uh think about like you know,

990
01:00:40,440 --> 01:00:43,720
Speaker 1: I'm in Arizona. The Arizona Cardinals are one of the

991
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:48,040
Speaker 1: most irrelevant franchises in the history of the NFL. But

992
01:00:48,120 --> 01:00:51,320
Speaker 1: they'll never be completely irrelevant because they spent a really

993
01:00:51,360 --> 01:00:54,840
Speaker 1: long time in the NFC East, right Like in the

994
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:59,400
Speaker 1: NFC East is the premier division of people who just

995
01:00:59,480 --> 01:01:03,320
Speaker 1: are are pay attention to football or or or want

996
01:01:03,320 --> 01:01:08,360
Speaker 1: to watch games on Fox. You know, it's always Eagles, Redskins, Cowboys, Giants. Uh, well,

997
01:01:08,360 --> 01:01:10,400
Speaker 1: the Cardinals were part of that, and so to Big

998
01:01:10,440 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: twelve fans, you know, they're always going to remember Colorado

999
01:01:13,840 --> 01:01:15,800
Speaker 1: a little bit, and to Pack twelve fans are still

1000
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,760
Speaker 1: kind of getting used to the whole Colorado thing, and

1001
01:01:17,800 --> 01:01:20,440
Speaker 1: they did have some success in the back twelve South

1002
01:01:21,080 --> 01:01:23,560
Speaker 1: UM anyway I get. I gave him a fifteen UM

1003
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:26,560
Speaker 1: For stability. You know, they has ayre stable in so

1004
01:01:26,680 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: far as they've had back to back five and seven

1005
01:01:28,760 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: win seasons. But I do appreciate that they did keep

1006
01:01:32,440 --> 01:01:37,800
Speaker 1: some of the staff from Mike McIntire's time there UM

1007
01:01:37,840 --> 01:01:40,960
Speaker 1: and UH, you know, defensive line. I believe wide receivers

1008
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:46,680
Speaker 1: are are the previous UM coaching administration. Melt Tucker. Uh.

1009
01:01:46,800 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: I don't know how long they can keep somebody like

1010
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,800
Speaker 1: mel Tucker if he is able to turn this program around,

1011
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 1: just because he's bringing in electricity and he's doing so

1012
01:01:57,360 --> 01:02:01,600
Speaker 1: with with UH connections in to the SEC, which always

1013
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:04,520
Speaker 1: makes me wonder, like how easy would it be to

1014
01:02:04,560 --> 01:02:06,880
Speaker 1: get him to go back, you know and take one

1015
01:02:06,920 --> 01:02:10,120
Speaker 1: of these open jobs if he does have success at Colorado.

1016
01:02:10,160 --> 01:02:12,240
Speaker 1: So for stability, I gave them a fourteen. They have

1017
01:02:12,320 --> 01:02:15,160
Speaker 1: had some turnover, but they've also managed to keep things

1018
01:02:15,160 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 1: together a lot better than most UM. For recruiting, I

1019
01:02:18,760 --> 01:02:21,080
Speaker 1: gave them a nineteen just because of how much I

1020
01:02:21,160 --> 01:02:25,400
Speaker 1: love this class for them and what they're trying to do,

1021
01:02:25,440 --> 01:02:28,240
Speaker 1: you know. Overall, recruiting is obviously going to be a

1022
01:02:28,280 --> 01:02:31,360
Speaker 1: little bit different, but this class is such an important

1023
01:02:31,400 --> 01:02:33,720
Speaker 1: step forward for them that I kind of was a

1024
01:02:33,760 --> 01:02:36,440
Speaker 1: little bit generous with the scoring and a future outlook.

1025
01:02:36,440 --> 01:02:39,160
Speaker 1: I gave them a fifteen because really nobody, nobody knows

1026
01:02:39,200 --> 01:02:41,200
Speaker 1: and it's really all dependent on whether or not they

1027
01:02:41,200 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 1: get a quarterback that can get in there, um and

1028
01:02:44,320 --> 01:02:48,640
Speaker 1: and push them past what they've been. But as far

1029
01:02:48,680 --> 01:02:51,760
Speaker 1: as you know, most of the other positions on the field, UM,

1030
01:02:51,800 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 1: I think they've done a pretty good job upgrading, and

1031
01:02:54,560 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 1: I think they've got some decent coaches in place, and uh,

1032
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:00,120
Speaker 1: and I think they could have a bright future. Is

1033
01:03:00,160 --> 01:03:01,240
Speaker 1: why I kind of put them in the middle of

1034
01:03:01,240 --> 01:03:03,800
Speaker 1: the road, and that leaves them with a total score

1035
01:03:03,840 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: of sixty three out of a hundred. For me, that's

1036
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,920
Speaker 1: that that's legit for them, and I'm kind of clothes

1037
01:03:10,360 --> 01:03:14,400
Speaker 1: to that. I gave them a fifteen for relevance, which

1038
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:19,200
Speaker 1: is more than cal less than Arizona State, because they

1039
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:20,920
Speaker 1: do have history on their side. They do have a

1040
01:03:20,960 --> 01:03:23,680
Speaker 1: Heisman Trophy which they can show off, they do have

1041
01:03:24,480 --> 01:03:28,160
Speaker 1: championship trow feasts like, they do have a meaningful history.

1042
01:03:28,320 --> 01:03:32,520
Speaker 1: It's just trying to convey that story to younger players,

1043
01:03:33,080 --> 01:03:36,160
Speaker 1: which is which which matters. They have Melt Tucker, who

1044
01:03:36,200 --> 01:03:42,000
Speaker 1: came from the SEC, very successful head coach. Um, they

1045
01:03:42,080 --> 01:03:49,200
Speaker 1: are news. Their newsworthiness is not super high, but they

1046
01:03:49,240 --> 01:03:52,560
Speaker 1: have a passionate fan base. Their fans actually show up

1047
01:03:52,560 --> 01:03:55,160
Speaker 1: the games, which which in the Pact twelve is a

1048
01:03:55,240 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 1: big deal. You have fans that show up, especially when

1049
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,720
Speaker 1: you're when when even when you're good yet you're like

1050
01:04:01,840 --> 01:04:04,760
Speaker 1: semi good, you're like on the there's actually a little

1051
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:08,800
Speaker 1: bit of hope, and they show up. That's important. That's

1052
01:04:08,800 --> 01:04:13,680
Speaker 1: a big deal. Um. I gave them a fifteen for relevance.

1053
01:04:14,600 --> 01:04:18,280
Speaker 1: For stability, I gave them an eighteen because I don't

1054
01:04:18,360 --> 01:04:21,280
Speaker 1: think that Meil Tucker is going going anywhere. That may

1055
01:04:21,320 --> 01:04:24,160
Speaker 1: be a little generous, a little high. I don't think

1056
01:04:24,160 --> 01:04:26,960
Speaker 1: he's going anywhere for the next few years, at least,

1057
01:04:27,160 --> 01:04:29,840
Speaker 1: because he's got to get it turned around. Like a

1058
01:04:29,960 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: ten win season is not happening next year for him

1059
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:36,800
Speaker 1: to land some major head coaching job. But if you

1060
01:04:36,880 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: take the Cliff Kingsbury model, he doesn't really need to anyway.

1061
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:42,600
Speaker 1: Uh actually, well he would need a new paint job

1062
01:04:42,640 --> 01:04:46,760
Speaker 1: for that to happen um, But I gave him an

1063
01:04:46,760 --> 01:04:51,560
Speaker 1: eight team for stability. As far as recruiting, I gave

1064
01:04:51,600 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: him a fourteen because the recruiting class is good. I

1065
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:58,320
Speaker 1: think that they that this, like you said, it has

1066
01:04:58,360 --> 01:05:03,840
Speaker 1: a potential to be a corner stone own recruiting uh year,

1067
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,120
Speaker 1: and that these guys in three years can be a

1068
01:05:07,200 --> 01:05:10,480
Speaker 1: good kids who can compete for a Pack twelve championship.

1069
01:05:10,800 --> 01:05:13,200
Speaker 1: So I gave him a four team for recruit recruiting,

1070
01:05:13,560 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 1: But their future outlook, there's still a ways away from

1071
01:05:16,400 --> 01:05:19,280
Speaker 1: a Pack twelve championship or even being in the in

1072
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:23,840
Speaker 1: a national conversation. I think there are at least two

1073
01:05:24,000 --> 01:05:27,600
Speaker 1: years away from being a ranked team like regularly like

1074
01:05:27,720 --> 01:05:30,800
Speaker 1: throughout pretty much throughout the whole season and finishing ranked.

1075
01:05:31,680 --> 01:05:34,080
Speaker 1: So I gave them a thirteen there for a grand

1076
01:05:34,120 --> 01:05:39,840
Speaker 1: total of sixty ralph. Okay, uh that's not that's not

1077
01:05:39,920 --> 01:05:43,280
Speaker 1: too bad. Now. If this was like a graded term paper,

1078
01:05:43,480 --> 01:05:46,520
Speaker 1: you know, that's a D minus. But I think, uh,

1079
01:05:46,960 --> 01:05:48,600
Speaker 1: I think we're we're a greeting on a little bit

1080
01:05:48,600 --> 01:05:52,840
Speaker 1: of a curve here because my next team up actually

1081
01:05:52,840 --> 01:05:55,920
Speaker 1: got my highest score and it's not anywhere really close

1082
01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:59,600
Speaker 1: to a hundred So let's talk about the University of Oregon. UM.

1083
01:05:59,800 --> 01:06:04,600
Speaker 1: OR is relevant in that they have I believe three

1084
01:06:05,640 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: Rose Bowl wins in the last decade and have played

1085
01:06:08,600 --> 01:06:11,320
Speaker 1: in it four times and made a college football playoff,

1086
01:06:12,400 --> 01:06:14,920
Speaker 1: as well as what they do with the uniforms, as

1087
01:06:14,920 --> 01:06:19,560
Speaker 1: well as just being the hub of UM Nike and

1088
01:06:19,680 --> 01:06:23,600
Speaker 1: with some of their out of conference scheduling UH and

1089
01:06:23,680 --> 01:06:27,000
Speaker 1: obviously having some players that UM are part of the

1090
01:06:27,120 --> 01:06:30,880
Speaker 1: NFL draft conversation. So UM, the only thing that would

1091
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:34,160
Speaker 1: make them more relevant is if they had a college

1092
01:06:34,160 --> 01:06:37,800
Speaker 1: football playoff win and or national championships. So I have

1093
01:06:37,880 --> 01:06:41,360
Speaker 1: them at A They do have a college football They

1094
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:46,160
Speaker 1: beat Florida Florida State, That's right. They beat up on

1095
01:06:46,280 --> 01:06:53,040
Speaker 1: Jamis and and and ended Jimbo's UH eventually ended Jimbo's

1096
01:06:52,720 --> 01:06:54,800
Speaker 1: tenure there. I think that was the beginning of the

1097
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:56,480
Speaker 1: end for him. But so I have them at a

1098
01:06:56,560 --> 01:07:01,000
Speaker 1: twenty four. UM. A national champion hip would have been

1099
01:07:01,040 --> 01:07:05,440
Speaker 1: the only thing that that that could have scored them higher. UH.

1100
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:07,680
Speaker 1: I think there's still a lot of people who do

1101
01:07:07,800 --> 01:07:13,720
Speaker 1: not take Oregon seriously for that simple reason. UM, and

1102
01:07:13,760 --> 01:07:17,520
Speaker 1: then stability, I have them. This is actually my lowest

1103
01:07:17,600 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: of the of the four scores, I have them at

1104
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:25,160
Speaker 1: a twenty out of twenty five. Um. You know, obviously,

1105
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:29,760
Speaker 1: you know, multiple head coaches over the last decade, an

1106
01:07:29,800 --> 01:07:35,080
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator who just took another UM coaching position. You know,

1107
01:07:35,160 --> 01:07:38,080
Speaker 1: you've had some stuff go on. Uh. You know when

1108
01:07:38,280 --> 01:07:41,040
Speaker 1: in Willie Tagger's short time there, they had all sorts

1109
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:45,480
Speaker 1: of nonsense. Um, they did have they did have a

1110
01:07:45,560 --> 01:07:48,120
Speaker 1: year where they were kind of down and out. Um,

1111
01:07:48,160 --> 01:07:51,480
Speaker 1: but they've they've sort of built back up from there.

1112
01:07:52,160 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 1: Some weird recruiting philosophies sort of cut into their ability,

1113
01:07:56,240 --> 01:07:59,880
Speaker 1: uh to to win. But they've been very very strong otherwise.

1114
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 1: You know, at the quarterback position, defense is being built

1115
01:08:03,240 --> 01:08:04,920
Speaker 1: back up. So I gave them a twenty out of

1116
01:08:04,960 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 1: twenty five. Maybe that's not as high as it should be,

1117
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:10,280
Speaker 1: but that's where I have them. Recruiting. I have them

1118
01:08:10,320 --> 01:08:13,000
Speaker 1: at a twenty four out of twenty five. I think

1119
01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:16,599
Speaker 1: that for being in Eugene, Oregon, which you've spent more

1120
01:08:16,640 --> 01:08:19,439
Speaker 1: time there than me. But I will tell you that, like,

1121
01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,360
Speaker 1: I don't think that that program can recruit to that

1122
01:08:22,439 --> 01:08:26,040
Speaker 1: place any better than it does. Um. The only way

1123
01:08:26,080 --> 01:08:28,559
Speaker 1: that this would be higher is if they were bringing

1124
01:08:28,600 --> 01:08:33,240
Speaker 1: in top five classes consistently. Uh So for me, I

1125
01:08:33,280 --> 01:08:35,759
Speaker 1: got them at a twenty four there and then future outlook,

1126
01:08:36,439 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: I have them at a twenty three out of twenty

1127
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:41,880
Speaker 1: five because they still, you know, they they do have

1128
01:08:42,000 --> 01:08:46,160
Speaker 1: to show that they've got uh quarterback and running back

1129
01:08:46,280 --> 01:08:48,840
Speaker 1: figured out, But as far as every other position on

1130
01:08:48,880 --> 01:08:51,160
Speaker 1: the field, I really do feel like they have the

1131
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: talent to compete for a Pack twelve championship year in

1132
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:56,800
Speaker 1: and year out, not just in the North, but winning

1133
01:08:56,800 --> 01:08:59,920
Speaker 1: the championship overall. Um, the only way this would be

1134
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:04,120
Speaker 1: fires if they had a returning running back and quarterback. Uh.

1135
01:09:04,280 --> 01:09:07,840
Speaker 1: That that I felt, um, you know, really positive about

1136
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:10,679
Speaker 1: and I do like Tyler Chuck. But at the same time,

1137
01:09:10,760 --> 01:09:12,920
Speaker 1: you've got to see what they can do when it

1138
01:09:13,000 --> 01:09:15,719
Speaker 1: matters before you go and give them a perfect grade.

1139
01:09:15,760 --> 01:09:18,680
Speaker 1: So that gives me an overall grade. For Oregan of Ud,

1140
01:09:19,160 --> 01:09:21,719
Speaker 1: I looked at this team and I said, all right,

1141
01:09:22,640 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 1: where do they land in terms of relevance? I think

1142
01:09:27,840 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 1: that they are the most relevant program in the PAC

1143
01:09:30,760 --> 01:09:35,800
Speaker 1: twelve right now. I gave them a twenty four. They

1144
01:09:35,840 --> 01:09:40,519
Speaker 1: are They're very like they are in in recruiting circles.

1145
01:09:40,520 --> 01:09:44,320
Speaker 1: They are the national. They are a national like they

1146
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:47,840
Speaker 1: can plug kids from any state at this point in

1147
01:09:48,160 --> 01:09:51,920
Speaker 1: point in time, like not not any kid, but they

1148
01:09:51,920 --> 01:09:55,719
Speaker 1: can get four star kids. They haven't gotten any five

1149
01:09:55,760 --> 01:10:00,240
Speaker 1: star kids from other from states out of the packed

1150
01:10:00,280 --> 01:10:04,760
Speaker 1: to a footprint, but they have been able to put

1151
01:10:04,960 --> 01:10:08,360
Speaker 1: pull out high four star kids and and highly rated

1152
01:10:08,439 --> 01:10:12,280
Speaker 1: kids from other states, and they are in the news.

1153
01:10:12,479 --> 01:10:16,040
Speaker 1: If they do something, people talk about it. There's the uniforms,

1154
01:10:16,520 --> 01:10:19,559
Speaker 1: there is the I mean just their Rose Bowl helmets

1155
01:10:19,600 --> 01:10:21,559
Speaker 1: got a whole lot of buzz just because of the

1156
01:10:21,560 --> 01:10:24,320
Speaker 1: way the sun reflected off of it was was pretty cool.

1157
01:10:25,479 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 1: So that was a big deal. So they are nationally relevant.

1158
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,760
Speaker 1: I gave him twenty four there stability. I gave them

1159
01:10:33,040 --> 01:10:35,280
Speaker 1: a lower marks than you, Ralph. I gave them an

1160
01:10:35,320 --> 01:10:40,400
Speaker 1: eighteen and I gave them an eight team because of

1161
01:10:40,479 --> 01:10:48,679
Speaker 1: the coaching turnover. And I think that Mario Cristo Ball

1162
01:10:48,800 --> 01:10:53,680
Speaker 1: I believe he's there to stay, but there is a

1163
01:10:53,880 --> 01:11:00,160
Speaker 1: looming if the Miami job came open pretty soon that

1164
01:11:00,400 --> 01:11:03,240
Speaker 1: he could potentially leave for that. But that would be

1165
01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:08,599
Speaker 1: aside from Alabama opening or you know, something like like that.

1166
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 1: There's only you know, like Oklahoma, A handful of jobs

1167
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:18,719
Speaker 1: that don't come open ever besides Miami that he would

1168
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:23,320
Speaker 1: potentially leave for, and so that leaves a little bit

1169
01:11:23,360 --> 01:11:29,240
Speaker 1: of instability there. But I mean it would be hard pressed.

1170
01:11:29,280 --> 01:11:31,439
Speaker 1: You'd be hard pressed to leave what he's building in

1171
01:11:31,560 --> 01:11:35,840
Speaker 1: Oregon to try to do that again at Miami after

1172
01:11:35,880 --> 01:11:39,599
Speaker 1: so many people have been unsuccessful doing it lately. Uh,

1173
01:11:39,600 --> 01:11:41,800
Speaker 1: they don't have the same resources. They don't. I mean,

1174
01:11:41,800 --> 01:11:45,200
Speaker 1: it's just not my Miami. They're they're trying to base

1175
01:11:45,240 --> 01:11:49,680
Speaker 1: it off the city, without the budget, without the facilities,

1176
01:11:49,800 --> 01:11:52,480
Speaker 1: all of that, and it's just hard to compete nowadays

1177
01:11:52,520 --> 01:11:55,040
Speaker 1: with that. You can get all the Florida kids, but

1178
01:11:55,280 --> 01:11:57,679
Speaker 1: you know, you need kids from other elsewhere as well.

1179
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:02,200
Speaker 1: Gave them a twenty four for recruiting. Agree with you.

1180
01:12:02,840 --> 01:12:05,040
Speaker 1: The only way that they could be better recruiting is

1181
01:12:05,080 --> 01:12:08,280
Speaker 1: if they were pulling up top top five classes each year.

1182
01:12:08,520 --> 01:12:12,080
Speaker 1: And but they're doing an excellent job in the PAC

1183
01:12:12,120 --> 01:12:15,599
Speaker 1: twelve and and stilling guys from in the PAC twel

1184
01:12:15,760 --> 01:12:19,559
Speaker 1: footprint and USC fans are very upset, So they get

1185
01:12:19,600 --> 01:12:24,559
Speaker 1: a twenty four for that. For future outlook, I gave

1186
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:28,400
Speaker 1: them a twenty three. They will be in the Pack

1187
01:12:28,439 --> 01:12:34,400
Speaker 1: twelve championship conversation every year, and some years they're gonna

1188
01:12:34,400 --> 01:12:39,040
Speaker 1: be in the National Championship convert conversation, especially especially if

1189
01:12:39,040 --> 01:12:42,759
Speaker 1: they continue to recruit at this level and put coaches

1190
01:12:42,800 --> 01:12:44,720
Speaker 1: in place, then the future is pretty high game. With

1191
01:12:44,760 --> 01:12:47,720
Speaker 1: twenty three there for a grand total of ninety one.

1192
01:12:47,800 --> 01:12:53,679
Speaker 1: Ralph again, we are like saying, h Oregon State, um,

1193
01:12:53,960 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: Oregon State is not relevant. Uh, it's it's It would

1194
01:12:58,760 --> 01:13:00,920
Speaker 1: be interesting to me to figure out what it would

1195
01:13:00,960 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 1: take to get them to that point of relevance outside

1196
01:13:04,720 --> 01:13:08,320
Speaker 1: of just winning. I think there's some hurdles there. They

1197
01:13:08,360 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 1: put some guys in the NFL, you just don't really

1198
01:13:10,720 --> 01:13:16,200
Speaker 1: see them sort of repping Oregon State very oft. It'd

1199
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:19,480
Speaker 1: be cool to see, you know, Brandon Cooks out there,

1200
01:13:19,520 --> 01:13:23,080
Speaker 1: you know, with a beaver painted onto his custom cleats

1201
01:13:23,160 --> 01:13:25,120
Speaker 1: or something like that, Like it would just be nice

1202
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:27,960
Speaker 1: to see. Then. You know, one of the most vocal

1203
01:13:28,280 --> 01:13:31,640
Speaker 1: x NFL players in the world is chat O Chosinko.

1204
01:13:31,720 --> 01:13:34,719
Speaker 1: You don't really see a whole lot of like things

1205
01:13:34,720 --> 01:13:37,360
Speaker 1: from him about his time in Corvallis. You know, not

1206
01:13:37,479 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: that he owes that to them or whatever, but you

1207
01:13:40,160 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 1: know that they're there are just certain things out there

1208
01:13:43,200 --> 01:13:46,519
Speaker 1: that could possibly make them more relevant that that don't

1209
01:13:46,520 --> 01:13:52,880
Speaker 1: exist yet. Um. A signature win would be helpful. Going

1210
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:55,080
Speaker 1: a Bowl game would be helpful. You know, those aren't

1211
01:13:55,120 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: necessarily things that are happening. Um. Uh. Some people might

1212
01:13:59,000 --> 01:14:00,479
Speaker 1: look at the fact that I put them on the

1213
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:04,759
Speaker 1: same wavelength as Arizona as far as relevance as an insults.

1214
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:08,760
Speaker 1: I don't mean for it to to be um to

1215
01:14:08,880 --> 01:14:11,439
Speaker 1: either school. I just think that as far as relevance goes,

1216
01:14:11,479 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 1: those two are at the bottom of the back twelve

1217
01:14:14,080 --> 01:14:17,160
Speaker 1: Uh stability. Um, maybe this should be lower, but I

1218
01:14:17,200 --> 01:14:19,400
Speaker 1: did put them in a fifteen, and part of that

1219
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,759
Speaker 1: is just having an ex player be the head coach.

1220
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:23,519
Speaker 1: I don't think he's looking to go and take some

1221
01:14:24,040 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: high profile job elsewhere. They managed to hold onto their

1222
01:14:26,920 --> 01:14:29,840
Speaker 1: o C this year. They've had some consistency at the

1223
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:33,640
Speaker 1: running back position, at the quarterback position. Um, you know,

1224
01:14:34,720 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: could the university turn around and fire everybody if they

1225
01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:40,879
Speaker 1: turn around and go four and eight next year? Maybe

1226
01:14:41,040 --> 01:14:43,400
Speaker 1: that's the thing that really keeps me from grading them

1227
01:14:43,400 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: any higher. There is the fact that they're not winning recruiting.

1228
01:14:48,240 --> 01:14:50,880
Speaker 1: I have them at a twelve out of twenty five.

1229
01:14:50,920 --> 01:14:53,120
Speaker 1: I think they don't do a good a job as

1230
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,920
Speaker 1: they could, but at the same time, they're not doing

1231
01:14:55,920 --> 01:14:58,760
Speaker 1: a bad job considering what it is they're working with.

1232
01:14:59,560 --> 01:15:02,320
Speaker 1: I think that, um, it's a fantastic college town, and

1233
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,040
Speaker 1: they do a really good job of getting kids to

1234
01:15:05,120 --> 01:15:08,040
Speaker 1: come in who want to have that college experience, and

1235
01:15:08,080 --> 01:15:10,479
Speaker 1: if you factor in the transfer market, I think that

1236
01:15:10,520 --> 01:15:13,439
Speaker 1: they've kind of been killing it as far as that goes. UH.

1237
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:16,320
Speaker 1: And then future outlook, I gave them a sixteen. Everybody

1238
01:15:16,560 --> 01:15:19,519
Speaker 1: who pays attention to the PAC twelve is excited about

1239
01:15:19,560 --> 01:15:23,799
Speaker 1: what their offense brings to the table. UM. Hamilcar Rached

1240
01:15:23,960 --> 01:15:27,160
Speaker 1: returning is very very big for them, sort of a

1241
01:15:27,240 --> 01:15:30,400
Speaker 1: vote of confidence in what that defense could be able

1242
01:15:30,439 --> 01:15:34,200
Speaker 1: to accomplish. Uh. And so maybe maybe that's a little

1243
01:15:34,200 --> 01:15:37,519
Speaker 1: bit of sunshine pumping, but I think that they definitely

1244
01:15:37,560 --> 01:15:41,160
Speaker 1: have a brighter future um than some teams in the

1245
01:15:41,240 --> 01:15:44,880
Speaker 1: in the PAC twelve UH and could potentially even go

1246
01:15:44,920 --> 01:15:46,680
Speaker 1: to a Bowl as early as next year. So that

1247
01:15:46,760 --> 01:15:48,600
Speaker 1: gives me a final score of fifty three out of

1248
01:15:48,640 --> 01:15:52,320
Speaker 1: a hundred for Oregon State. Oregon State is trending in

1249
01:15:52,360 --> 01:15:57,840
Speaker 1: the right direction, and for relevance, I gave them a

1250
01:15:57,920 --> 01:16:01,680
Speaker 1: five for all the reasons that you mentioned, they're not

1251
01:16:03,400 --> 01:16:07,639
Speaker 1: even even their coach is not necessarily a relevant coach

1252
01:16:07,680 --> 01:16:10,360
Speaker 1: in terms of the national conversation. He didn't come with

1253
01:16:10,400 --> 01:16:15,759
Speaker 1: a big, big name brand. People don't necessarily Packed twelve

1254
01:16:15,760 --> 01:16:19,320
Speaker 1: fans will remember him as a quarterback. But like he's

1255
01:16:19,360 --> 01:16:23,000
Speaker 1: not gonna if they say, oh, we're gonna we're gonna

1256
01:16:23,040 --> 01:16:26,960
Speaker 1: have Jonathan Smith on coach Jonathan Smith on, people gonna

1257
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,920
Speaker 1: be like from from where? So that's why they get

1258
01:16:29,920 --> 01:16:33,599
Speaker 1: a five stability. I get him a twenty two. I

1259
01:16:33,640 --> 01:16:38,480
Speaker 1: think that it matters winning at Oregon State to him

1260
01:16:38,720 --> 01:16:44,519
Speaker 1: and he I'm not sure if he's a lifer, like

1261
01:16:44,600 --> 01:16:47,519
Speaker 1: a guy who's willing to stay there for a long time,

1262
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:53,240
Speaker 1: like you had um the coach for Kansas Kansas State

1263
01:16:53,400 --> 01:16:59,680
Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Snyder. Yeah, yeah, Bill Snyder him for a

1264
01:16:59,720 --> 01:17:01,959
Speaker 1: long time. I think that that could be a Jonathan

1265
01:17:02,080 --> 01:17:04,920
Speaker 1: Smith type move. And then every now and then they're

1266
01:17:04,920 --> 01:17:07,639
Speaker 1: gonna pop up with a year and win the Pack

1267
01:17:07,640 --> 01:17:10,439
Speaker 1: twelve or be super close to it, go to a

1268
01:17:10,479 --> 01:17:12,840
Speaker 1: New Year's six Bowl game like they did in what

1269
01:17:14,200 --> 01:17:16,719
Speaker 1: d They're gonna have those years pop up with Jonathan Smith.

1270
01:17:16,840 --> 01:17:21,920
Speaker 1: Give him a twenty two ten for recruiting. It's results based.

1271
01:17:23,240 --> 01:17:25,240
Speaker 1: They're not gonna be high on the recruiting rankings. They're

1272
01:17:25,240 --> 01:17:27,519
Speaker 1: gonna be you know, if they're having a good year,

1273
01:17:27,920 --> 01:17:30,919
Speaker 1: they're gonna be six in the Pack twelve and recruiting

1274
01:17:31,000 --> 01:17:33,479
Speaker 1: on a good year. So yeah, they get a ten.

1275
01:17:34,120 --> 01:17:38,080
Speaker 1: Thirteen for future outlook. Yes, they are closer to a

1276
01:17:38,160 --> 01:17:40,280
Speaker 1: bowl game. They could have made a bowl game this

1277
01:17:40,400 --> 01:17:44,240
Speaker 1: year if a couple of things broke right for them,

1278
01:17:44,280 --> 01:17:46,400
Speaker 1: I mean just one game broke broke right. So I

1279
01:17:46,400 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 1: gave him a thirteen there. There nowhere close to a

1280
01:17:49,400 --> 01:17:52,640
Speaker 1: national championship. They're playing in the Pack twelve North, so

1281
01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:55,040
Speaker 1: they're kind of up against it. If they were playing

1282
01:17:55,040 --> 01:17:58,080
Speaker 1: in the South, I would have their future outlook a

1283
01:17:58,080 --> 01:18:01,240
Speaker 1: little brighter because I think the South is not quite

1284
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:04,400
Speaker 1: as strong as having to play against cal Oregon and

1285
01:18:04,400 --> 01:18:09,839
Speaker 1: and and Washington every year, and then Stanford too because

1286
01:18:09,960 --> 01:18:14,120
Speaker 1: they're usually really good. So that's kind of a gambit

1287
01:18:14,200 --> 01:18:15,840
Speaker 1: up there. So I think that you have to pay

1288
01:18:15,880 --> 01:18:20,000
Speaker 1: attention to that. So I gave him a thirteen there

1289
01:18:20,040 --> 01:18:23,200
Speaker 1: for a grand total of fifty. So fifty and a

1290
01:18:23,280 --> 01:18:28,000
Speaker 1: fifty three. Uh, where we've been close, there's there hasn't

1291
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:31,160
Speaker 1: been a school yet where we've been super far apart uh,

1292
01:18:31,200 --> 01:18:35,480
Speaker 1: and maybe this one will be it. Let's talk about Stanford. UM.

1293
01:18:35,640 --> 01:18:38,120
Speaker 1: I have a really really high score for them as

1294
01:18:38,200 --> 01:18:41,920
Speaker 1: far as relevance UM. And part of it is just

1295
01:18:42,040 --> 01:18:44,679
Speaker 1: that they're you know what, they're the Harvard of the West,

1296
01:18:44,800 --> 01:18:48,880
Speaker 1: right like they they have that academic reputation and now

1297
01:18:48,920 --> 01:18:54,440
Speaker 1: they're good in football. UM. And they get major major recruits.

1298
01:18:55,200 --> 01:18:58,120
Speaker 1: Who are you know who have the ability to qualify

1299
01:18:58,240 --> 01:19:01,479
Speaker 1: uh to come in uh. UM. You know, David Shaw

1300
01:19:01,720 --> 01:19:04,439
Speaker 1: is somebody who is really really well respected, and you

1301
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:08,879
Speaker 1: hear his name come up anytime there's NFL coaching rumors.

1302
01:19:08,920 --> 01:19:12,000
Speaker 1: You know, somebody's whispered in that name, and so UM.

1303
01:19:12,120 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 1: Jim Harbaugh also helps you know, people think about you know,

1304
01:19:16,439 --> 01:19:20,400
Speaker 1: his connection uh to Stanford. Still you've still got Richard

1305
01:19:20,439 --> 01:19:24,559
Speaker 1: Sherman out there making news. You know you you you.

1306
01:19:25,000 --> 01:19:30,160
Speaker 1: Christian McCaffrey led the entire UM. I think he led

1307
01:19:30,160 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 1: the NFL in total yards UM offensively this year and

1308
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:38,200
Speaker 1: had a UM history making season as a as a

1309
01:19:38,280 --> 01:19:40,719
Speaker 1: running back. And J. G. R. Sega Whiteside is playing

1310
01:19:40,760 --> 01:19:43,479
Speaker 1: in a playoff game uh this week, and so you know,

1311
01:19:43,520 --> 01:19:47,559
Speaker 1: I think that that they're they're relevant in the NFL. UM,

1312
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,120
Speaker 1: they're relevant in college football. There's still a destination school.

1313
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:54,160
Speaker 1: The only thing that keeps this from being any higher

1314
01:19:54,240 --> 01:19:56,200
Speaker 1: is the fact that they're just not you know, then

1315
01:19:56,360 --> 01:20:00,280
Speaker 1: win very much in the In the last U couple

1316
01:20:00,320 --> 01:20:05,320
Speaker 1: of years, they've underperformed I think too expectations. UM, but

1317
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,880
Speaker 1: I do feel like they are a very relevant, very

1318
01:20:07,920 --> 01:20:12,400
Speaker 1: strong brand. Uh. Stability I have is a fourteen out

1319
01:20:12,439 --> 01:20:15,679
Speaker 1: of twenty five, and I think the big reason why

1320
01:20:15,760 --> 01:20:20,320
Speaker 1: I have this UM so low is all of the

1321
01:20:20,400 --> 01:20:22,880
Speaker 1: things that get in the way of them being a

1322
01:20:23,000 --> 01:20:26,400
Speaker 1: national powerhouse, which is, you know, whether it's their admission

1323
01:20:26,479 --> 01:20:29,640
Speaker 1: standards or the transfer portal or whatever is going on

1324
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:32,320
Speaker 1: at their graduate school that makes their players need to

1325
01:20:32,400 --> 01:20:36,600
Speaker 1: leave before there, before they go into what would be

1326
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:41,719
Speaker 1: their red shirt senior season. Um. You know, the injuries

1327
01:20:41,760 --> 01:20:44,000
Speaker 1: they've had at the quarterback position and having to start

1328
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:46,599
Speaker 1: three different ones and than having last year's starter grad

1329
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:50,200
Speaker 1: transfer out. Uh. You know, that's that's a big one.

1330
01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,720
Speaker 1: Being up and down season two season, UM, I think

1331
01:20:53,800 --> 01:20:56,439
Speaker 1: is an issue. And then uh, it cuts both ways.

1332
01:20:56,479 --> 01:21:00,280
Speaker 1: Always having your head coach mentioned in NFL conversations can

1333
01:21:00,320 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 1: affect your stability. Uh, you know, it can make your

1334
01:21:03,240 --> 01:21:07,200
Speaker 1: relevance good and your stability not necessarily as high. UM,

1335
01:21:07,320 --> 01:21:08,960
Speaker 1: so maybe that should be higher. But I have them

1336
01:21:08,960 --> 01:21:12,040
Speaker 1: at a fourteen at five recruiting. I've got them at

1337
01:21:12,040 --> 01:21:15,040
Speaker 1: a nineteen out of twenty five because you know, they'll

1338
01:21:15,080 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: never be as high as they could be or I'm sorry,

1339
01:21:18,080 --> 01:21:19,760
Speaker 1: I got them at a twenty one out of five,

1340
01:21:19,800 --> 01:21:22,080
Speaker 1: not a nineteen. They'll never be as high as they

1341
01:21:22,120 --> 01:21:25,719
Speaker 1: could be. UM, as far as they're recruiting, just because

1342
01:21:26,000 --> 01:21:28,120
Speaker 1: they can't get their hands on every single player out

1343
01:21:28,120 --> 01:21:30,720
Speaker 1: there because they just have different entrance requirements. But they

1344
01:21:30,760 --> 01:21:33,640
Speaker 1: do land some of the country's best recruits at the

1345
01:21:33,680 --> 01:21:36,519
Speaker 1: tight end position, at the quarterback position, and they do

1346
01:21:36,560 --> 01:21:38,880
Speaker 1: it year in and year out. And I think this

1347
01:21:38,960 --> 01:21:41,519
Speaker 1: year they've got one of the top offensive lineman the

1348
01:21:41,640 --> 01:21:44,439
Speaker 1: entire country headed their way. So that's gonna be really

1349
01:21:44,439 --> 01:21:47,000
Speaker 1: really big get for them future outlook. I've got it

1350
01:21:47,080 --> 01:21:50,320
Speaker 1: at a fourteen out of twenty five. UM. I just

1351
01:21:50,360 --> 01:21:52,360
Speaker 1: think there are too many things that sort of count

1352
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:56,439
Speaker 1: against them, UM, that keep them from having long term

1353
01:21:56,560 --> 01:22:01,520
Speaker 1: sustained success and be able to compete for Pack twelve championships.

1354
01:22:01,640 --> 01:22:06,000
Speaker 1: And they did just have a pretty poor season overall. Um,

1355
01:22:06,040 --> 01:22:08,920
Speaker 1: So my future outlook for them is maybe coming back

1356
01:22:08,960 --> 01:22:12,280
Speaker 1: into Bowl eligibility, but not necessarily competing for the Pact

1357
01:22:12,320 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: quote North right out of the gate. If they were

1358
01:22:14,560 --> 01:22:16,120
Speaker 1: able to compete for the pactual North out of the

1359
01:22:16,280 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 1: out of the gate, that that would blow my mind. Um,

1360
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:21,479
Speaker 1: as far as what they're able to do in I

1361
01:22:21,520 --> 01:22:23,120
Speaker 1: still think they could have a pretty good season. I

1362
01:22:23,160 --> 01:22:25,080
Speaker 1: think seven or eight wins isn't out of the question,

1363
01:22:25,600 --> 01:22:28,919
Speaker 1: which gives me an overall grade for Stanford of seventy

1364
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:34,240
Speaker 1: out of a hundred. Oh, you were super generous, Ralph,

1365
01:22:34,360 --> 01:22:39,240
Speaker 1: super super generous. I gave Stanford a sevent team. For relevance,

1366
01:22:40,640 --> 01:22:44,160
Speaker 1: they were more relevant when they were in until the

1367
01:22:44,240 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: last two years when they were possibly in the national

1368
01:22:47,400 --> 01:22:52,160
Speaker 1: championship conversation, people are saying, will this intellectual brutality hold

1369
01:22:52,240 --> 01:22:57,280
Speaker 1: up against some of the national brands, the you know,

1370
01:22:57,360 --> 01:23:00,200
Speaker 1: the Alabama's Clemson, Will they hold up against them? And

1371
01:23:00,240 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: now intellectual brutality is broken. I get is actually broken,

1372
01:23:05,960 --> 01:23:09,840
Speaker 1: no idea what's going on with it? And so their

1373
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,200
Speaker 1: relevance has taken a dive. For me. The last couple

1374
01:23:13,240 --> 01:23:18,360
Speaker 1: of seasons, So they get a sevent team for stability,

1375
01:23:18,400 --> 01:23:24,080
Speaker 1: I give them a fifteen. Uh, they haven't had coaching turnover,

1376
01:23:24,600 --> 01:23:28,840
Speaker 1: but their overall record is going down. They are they

1377
01:23:28,880 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: don't and like I said, the brutality is broken. I

1378
01:23:32,400 --> 01:23:35,000
Speaker 1: don't know what they're gonna be. They have a good

1379
01:23:35,080 --> 01:23:39,599
Speaker 1: quarterback in Davis Mills, former five star recruit. But what

1380
01:23:39,680 --> 01:23:42,960
Speaker 1: does the future look like for them? Did David charl

1381
01:23:43,080 --> 01:23:45,360
Speaker 1: wait too long? It should have taken a head coaching job.

1382
01:23:45,400 --> 01:23:47,960
Speaker 1: Are they gonna have to change the way they play

1383
01:23:48,320 --> 01:23:51,280
Speaker 1: their skill I just don't know. Ralph, so I gave

1384
01:23:51,360 --> 01:23:54,600
Speaker 1: him a fift team for stability. And even though that

1385
01:23:54,720 --> 01:23:58,040
Speaker 1: this is a good program though, like this is a

1386
01:23:58,120 --> 01:24:01,879
Speaker 1: well known program, people like it. They can get kids.

1387
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,439
Speaker 1: It's you know, for recruiting. I gave them a nine

1388
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:10,040
Speaker 1: team for recruiting. Like you said, they do the best.

1389
01:24:10,080 --> 01:24:14,160
Speaker 1: They there's no way that they could recruit better all right, Well,

1390
01:24:14,200 --> 01:24:16,639
Speaker 1: actually no, sorry. The only way that they could recruit

1391
01:24:16,640 --> 01:24:19,920
Speaker 1: better is if they got better skill position players. They

1392
01:24:19,960 --> 01:24:22,320
Speaker 1: do a great job with the officsive line, tight ends,

1393
01:24:22,400 --> 01:24:27,200
Speaker 1: quarterbacks and some defensive players as well do a phenomenal job.

1394
01:24:27,360 --> 01:24:29,320
Speaker 1: Paul Paulson, the Debo is probably gonna be a top

1395
01:24:29,360 --> 01:24:34,080
Speaker 1: fifteen pick their corner. The thing that they just need

1396
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:37,479
Speaker 1: better skill position players. They don't have the depth. They

1397
01:24:37,520 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 1: are Wisconsin West. They are a team who wants to

1398
01:24:42,280 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: outphysical you, beat you up, run the football, and throw

1399
01:24:45,520 --> 01:24:48,800
Speaker 1: the football when necessary, But they don't have the requisite

1400
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:52,080
Speaker 1: athletes on the outside to be able to be a

1401
01:24:52,760 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: you know, a dominant offense like that. Um for recruiting,

1402
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:01,840
Speaker 1: I give them a fifteen. I'm sorry for um the

1403
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:05,799
Speaker 1: recruit that game of nineteen future outlook of fifteen, because

1404
01:25:05,840 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: I don't know what this team is gonna be. I

1405
01:25:08,439 --> 01:25:11,160
Speaker 1: don't I don't know what's going on with David Shaw.

1406
01:25:11,200 --> 01:25:13,400
Speaker 1: I don't know what's going on the opposite line, they

1407
01:25:13,400 --> 01:25:18,240
Speaker 1: had what twelve or thirteen uh guys into transfer portal.

1408
01:25:19,160 --> 01:25:22,679
Speaker 1: Whether it's they're not red shirting them or the guys

1409
01:25:22,760 --> 01:25:25,920
Speaker 1: can't get into grad school, whatever it is, the system

1410
01:25:26,000 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 1: is broken. Like you if if you're guys who graduated

1411
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 1: from Stanford aren't being accepted into the grad school to

1412
01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:37,080
Speaker 1: play football, like something, something's up, Like you have to

1413
01:25:37,800 --> 01:25:40,200
Speaker 1: even if you need to lower the standard a little bit,

1414
01:25:40,240 --> 01:25:42,760
Speaker 1: because these guys are actually playing a sport they have

1415
01:25:42,800 --> 01:25:44,640
Speaker 1: a full time job while they're going to school, but

1416
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,320
Speaker 1: the other kids just going going to school. But I digress.

1417
01:25:47,439 --> 01:25:50,599
Speaker 1: Stanford has the sixties, Okay. I moved to the song

1418
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,080
Speaker 1: to U c l A. Um and uh and a

1419
01:25:53,160 --> 01:25:56,800
Speaker 1: quick reminder that I very much underestimated U c l

1420
01:25:56,880 --> 01:26:04,320
Speaker 1: A this year. Uh. Yeah, he said one win five

1421
01:26:04,640 --> 01:26:08,200
Speaker 1: but it was like almost It's more that's one of

1422
01:26:08,200 --> 01:26:13,200
Speaker 1: those things of like underestimated in like is the car

1423
01:26:13,280 --> 01:26:16,800
Speaker 1: gonna crash in the first hundred yards or is it

1424
01:26:16,840 --> 01:26:19,120
Speaker 1: going to crash right before the finish line? Like the

1425
01:26:19,160 --> 01:26:24,559
Speaker 1: point is the car is still gonna crash and so um.

1426
01:26:24,600 --> 01:26:27,840
Speaker 1: But I did say, did I not say that that

1427
01:26:27,960 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 1: one win was going to be in the service of

1428
01:26:30,200 --> 01:26:33,120
Speaker 1: something greater and they were going to be moving forward

1429
01:26:33,280 --> 01:26:37,320
Speaker 1: into a more positive existence. I did say that, And

1430
01:26:37,520 --> 01:26:41,240
Speaker 1: I do think that they have a brighter future, um

1431
01:26:41,439 --> 01:26:44,400
Speaker 1: which will which is you know, being part buoyed by

1432
01:26:44,439 --> 01:26:48,760
Speaker 1: this giant recruiting class that they've they've just brought in. UM.

1433
01:26:48,800 --> 01:26:50,920
Speaker 1: I just hope that they give Chip Kelly the time,

1434
01:26:51,560 --> 01:26:54,360
Speaker 1: um to to to work this out because I think

1435
01:26:54,360 --> 01:26:58,080
Speaker 1: that he's he's in a full rebuild, but he's actually

1436
01:26:58,600 --> 01:27:03,920
Speaker 1: building something it's not just you know, desperation, um and

1437
01:27:04,120 --> 01:27:05,760
Speaker 1: I think they might be able to get stuff done.

1438
01:27:05,840 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: But I gave them a seventeen at five for relevance,

1439
01:27:10,760 --> 01:27:14,360
Speaker 1: um and I think that that's you know, Chip carries

1440
01:27:14,560 --> 01:27:17,800
Speaker 1: are Chip Kelly is really carrying the weight of that

1441
01:27:17,920 --> 01:27:20,800
Speaker 1: right now. The fact that it's in l A. H

1442
01:27:20,920 --> 01:27:23,200
Speaker 1: the Little Brothers School in l A. But it's in

1443
01:27:23,360 --> 01:27:27,960
Speaker 1: l A and they have Chip Kelly. That's keeping them relevant.

1444
01:27:28,000 --> 01:27:30,519
Speaker 1: But as far as like, you know, Josh Kelly's gone,

1445
01:27:31,760 --> 01:27:34,719
Speaker 1: who could you name off that team outside of their quarterback?

1446
01:27:34,760 --> 01:27:37,400
Speaker 1: And could you even name their quarterback? You know, that's

1447
01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:39,000
Speaker 1: gonna be a little bit of an issue for them.

1448
01:27:39,000 --> 01:27:42,040
Speaker 1: They definitely need some players to step up. I've never

1449
01:27:42,080 --> 01:27:44,240
Speaker 1: seen a team in the middle of an eight million

1450
01:27:44,320 --> 01:27:50,160
Speaker 1: person market have less uh name recognition than this u c.

1451
01:27:50,320 --> 01:27:53,280
Speaker 1: L A Brewing squad. It's wild. Um So they really

1452
01:27:53,320 --> 01:27:56,719
Speaker 1: need some players to sort of step up and stand out. UM.

1453
01:27:56,760 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 1: I think seventeen, you know, and maybe the lowest you

1454
01:27:59,280 --> 01:28:01,439
Speaker 1: could even go being a team in l as fifteen.

1455
01:28:01,800 --> 01:28:04,160
Speaker 1: So seventeen is not in the best grade in the world,

1456
01:28:04,720 --> 01:28:08,320
Speaker 1: um uh for them. But I they they're somewhat relevant,

1457
01:28:08,360 --> 01:28:11,400
Speaker 1: but not as much as they should be. For stability,

1458
01:28:11,520 --> 01:28:14,760
Speaker 1: I gave them a fourteen at this point. We did

1459
01:28:14,800 --> 01:28:18,040
Speaker 1: this a while ago, and I'm I'm trying to to

1460
01:28:18,040 --> 01:28:20,360
Speaker 1: come up with the reason why. But I I what

1461
01:28:20,439 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: I really think that it has to do with is

1462
01:28:22,720 --> 01:28:25,880
Speaker 1: all of the players that left the program UM when

1463
01:28:25,960 --> 01:28:28,640
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly came on. And so this is a this

1464
01:28:28,680 --> 01:28:31,200
Speaker 1: is a number that sort of bottomed out and building

1465
01:28:31,280 --> 01:28:34,439
Speaker 1: back to where it needs to be. UM. You know,

1466
01:28:34,600 --> 01:28:36,519
Speaker 1: as much as even you and I have talked about

1467
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:40,200
Speaker 1: whether the assistant coaches are the right people for the job, Uh,

1468
01:28:40,240 --> 01:28:43,839
Speaker 1: they're there. They did just lose Paul Rhodes to Arizona UM,

1469
01:28:43,880 --> 01:28:46,440
Speaker 1: but they they have had a little bit of stability

1470
01:28:46,520 --> 01:28:50,360
Speaker 1: after Jim Mora. But the the instability really comes from

1471
01:28:50,360 --> 01:28:53,519
Speaker 1: the player's end, whether it was just players that that

1472
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,320
Speaker 1: that didn't necessarily want to play for Jim Mora, or

1473
01:28:56,360 --> 01:28:58,800
Speaker 1: that Chip Kelly didn't want to play for him. There's

1474
01:28:58,840 --> 01:29:02,000
Speaker 1: just been way too much turn over lately on this team. UH,

1475
01:29:02,040 --> 01:29:04,080
Speaker 1: and they're not winning and that's a big part of it.

1476
01:29:04,280 --> 01:29:08,599
Speaker 1: UM recruiting. I feel like I gave them a sixteen

1477
01:29:08,640 --> 01:29:13,280
Speaker 1: out of five. I feel like they're doing a good job. Um,

1478
01:29:13,439 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: we'll see if my grade is too low or too

1479
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:18,760
Speaker 1: high based on how some of them develop. You know,

1480
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:23,439
Speaker 1: they spent almost a third of this class on linebackers. Um,

1481
01:29:23,479 --> 01:29:26,439
Speaker 1: everybody in this class is very tall, which was a

1482
01:29:26,479 --> 01:29:30,719
Speaker 1: good move. Everybody in this class is very tall. Everybody

1483
01:29:30,760 --> 01:29:33,160
Speaker 1: in this class has a really good frame. So we'll

1484
01:29:33,160 --> 01:29:35,599
Speaker 1: see how they're able to build them up. Um. They

1485
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,880
Speaker 1: did get a full class though in for a minute

1486
01:29:37,920 --> 01:29:40,240
Speaker 1: it looked like, you know, hey, does anybody want to

1487
01:29:40,280 --> 01:29:41,600
Speaker 1: go to u C l A. And And you know,

1488
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:45,200
Speaker 1: Chip Kelly's recruiting techniques are are a little bit wild

1489
01:29:45,240 --> 01:29:47,439
Speaker 1: and sort of weird. But you would like to see

1490
01:29:47,439 --> 01:29:49,720
Speaker 1: them get back into the conversation for some of the

1491
01:29:49,760 --> 01:29:52,920
Speaker 1: four and five stars that they were pulling um when

1492
01:29:53,040 --> 01:29:55,400
Speaker 1: Jim Morrow was there. But at the same time, you

1493
01:29:55,400 --> 01:29:57,960
Speaker 1: want those four and five stars to actually like the

1494
01:29:58,000 --> 01:30:02,240
Speaker 1: game of football, and you know that that was an

1495
01:30:02,240 --> 01:30:05,759
Speaker 1: issue for them for a while. Uh and then future outlook.

1496
01:30:05,760 --> 01:30:07,680
Speaker 1: I gave them an eighteen out of which is one

1497
01:30:07,680 --> 01:30:10,320
Speaker 1: of the higher grades that I gave out, especially for

1498
01:30:10,360 --> 01:30:14,240
Speaker 1: the Pactell South and so UM, I do think they

1499
01:30:14,280 --> 01:30:17,479
Speaker 1: are on the way up. Could they win the Pactoral

1500
01:30:17,560 --> 01:30:19,639
Speaker 1: South next year. This is gonna sound crazy. You thought

1501
01:30:19,640 --> 01:30:21,960
Speaker 1: they might this year, George, but I think that they

1502
01:30:22,040 --> 01:30:25,160
Speaker 1: actually have their the dark horse to maybe do it

1503
01:30:25,280 --> 01:30:27,519
Speaker 1: next year, which would surprise a whole lot of people.

1504
01:30:27,840 --> 01:30:29,800
Speaker 1: I do still think there are two years, two years

1505
01:30:29,800 --> 01:30:34,439
Speaker 1: out from from really contending. Um. But uh, they're gonna

1506
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:36,840
Speaker 1: be much better, um than they were this year. I

1507
01:30:36,840 --> 01:30:40,519
Speaker 1: can guarantee that. So I have them with a total

1508
01:30:40,560 --> 01:30:44,680
Speaker 1: score of sixty out of Oh, so you won't be

1509
01:30:44,720 --> 01:30:48,360
Speaker 1: picking them to win one one game again next year.

1510
01:30:48,360 --> 01:30:51,760
Speaker 1: You'll pick them to win three, win eight. No. Yeah,

1511
01:30:52,080 --> 01:30:57,320
Speaker 1: I have them at a minimum of seves. Okay. Um.

1512
01:30:57,560 --> 01:31:02,000
Speaker 1: For relevance, I gave you see A A A six team.

1513
01:31:02,040 --> 01:31:04,639
Speaker 1: It's u c l A still a big name, even

1514
01:31:04,680 --> 01:31:08,240
Speaker 1: though they're coming out of their their worst decade in

1515
01:31:09,000 --> 01:31:14,559
Speaker 1: football history, four consecutive losing seasons, but they're still in

1516
01:31:14,720 --> 01:31:17,360
Speaker 1: l A. It's still u c l A still a

1517
01:31:17,400 --> 01:31:21,759
Speaker 1: big deal. The basketball team being better would would help.

1518
01:31:22,400 --> 01:31:26,679
Speaker 1: The basketball team sucked too. So like those two think

1519
01:31:26,840 --> 01:31:29,160
Speaker 1: like the basketball team is what they have, Like it's

1520
01:31:29,200 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: opposite day at USC and u c l A. USC's

1521
01:31:32,160 --> 01:31:35,280
Speaker 1: football is important, their basketball is irrelevant and U c

1522
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:40,280
Speaker 1: l A there basketball was one of the historically greatest

1523
01:31:40,360 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: college football college basketball programs ever, and then their football

1524
01:31:45,520 --> 01:31:49,800
Speaker 1: program was still more relevant than USC's basketball program. So

1525
01:31:51,080 --> 01:31:54,400
Speaker 1: it's just bad what's going on at U c l

1526
01:31:54,479 --> 01:31:56,040
Speaker 1: A right now. But it's still U c l A

1527
01:31:56,080 --> 01:32:02,440
Speaker 1: the most applied to university in the entire world. Uh, stability,

1528
01:32:02,560 --> 01:32:06,360
Speaker 1: I give him seventeen. I don't think Chip Kelly's going anywhere.

1529
01:32:06,360 --> 01:32:09,680
Speaker 1: He likes what he's doing. Teams getting better, they need

1530
01:32:09,760 --> 01:32:13,799
Speaker 1: some new I'm putting them in stable because they didn't.

1531
01:32:13,960 --> 01:32:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if they replaced enough coaches. For me.

1532
01:32:18,360 --> 01:32:22,360
Speaker 1: They have to get this defense shirt up because it's atrocious.

1533
01:32:22,439 --> 01:32:24,759
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just like cutting a hot knife, cutting

1534
01:32:24,800 --> 01:32:30,880
Speaker 1: through butter. Uh seventeen for recruiting, doing a decent job,

1535
01:32:30,960 --> 01:32:33,639
Speaker 1: but it needs to be better in l A. It's

1536
01:32:33,680 --> 01:32:37,320
Speaker 1: gotta be right, it's gotta be you got a lot

1537
01:32:37,400 --> 01:32:40,960
Speaker 1: going for you. They should change their uniforms, though I

1538
01:32:41,720 --> 01:32:45,120
Speaker 1: would like their Their uniforms feel too nice. You feel

1539
01:32:45,160 --> 01:32:47,519
Speaker 1: like nice guy uniforms. I need to be a little

1540
01:32:47,520 --> 01:32:52,839
Speaker 1: little more menacing um future outlook. I give my eighteen.

1541
01:32:55,600 --> 01:32:57,680
Speaker 1: You are a little more hopeful than me that they

1542
01:32:57,680 --> 01:32:59,760
Speaker 1: can win the pack twelve South. But that but but

1543
01:33:00,040 --> 01:33:04,200
Speaker 1: when I think about it, Arizona State, they're kind of

1544
01:33:04,200 --> 01:33:08,920
Speaker 1: gonna be on par with them USC. Good god, who

1545
01:33:08,960 --> 01:33:11,240
Speaker 1: who knows what's going on? Like that? They like they

1546
01:33:11,240 --> 01:33:15,559
Speaker 1: could go twelve and oh or or five and seven.

1547
01:33:16,000 --> 01:33:22,439
Speaker 1: Next year you got Arizona not competitive for it. Utah

1548
01:33:22,520 --> 01:33:27,840
Speaker 1: is gonna be down to Colorado. Yeah, yeah, I agree

1549
01:33:27,840 --> 01:33:30,519
Speaker 1: with your rough. I'm I'm going to seven. Yeah, I'm

1550
01:33:30,520 --> 01:33:33,519
Speaker 1: going I'm going with the seven wins to dude, UM

1551
01:33:33,640 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: and a potential dark horse pack twelve South champion, not

1552
01:33:38,479 --> 01:33:44,000
Speaker 1: the whole pack twelve champion for a grand toll of sixty. UM,

1553
01:33:44,160 --> 01:33:47,760
Speaker 1: let's see here that that brings us to USC. Uh.

1554
01:33:47,800 --> 01:33:51,599
Speaker 1: This was a weird one. UM. I gave them probably

1555
01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:54,400
Speaker 1: the tide for the highest score as far as relevance,

1556
01:33:54,880 --> 01:33:58,680
Speaker 1: because if we are following the maxim that, UM, you know,

1557
01:33:59,160 --> 01:34:02,280
Speaker 1: all presses good press as far as just keeping your

1558
01:34:02,360 --> 01:34:04,240
Speaker 1: name out there. You know, they've had a lot of

1559
01:34:04,240 --> 01:34:09,080
Speaker 1: bad press recently, and they had quite a bit this

1560
01:34:09,160 --> 01:34:12,439
Speaker 1: decade that they had to deal with. UM. But the

1561
01:34:12,520 --> 01:34:14,760
Speaker 1: USC is still probably the most talked about team in

1562
01:34:14,800 --> 01:34:18,640
Speaker 1: this conference. They maybe always will be. It's you know,

1563
01:34:19,200 --> 01:34:21,400
Speaker 1: when you turn on the Fox pregame show, and you

1564
01:34:21,479 --> 01:34:24,559
Speaker 1: got Reggie Bush sitting next to Matt Leinert. It's hard

1565
01:34:24,640 --> 01:34:28,920
Speaker 1: not to think about, you know, what essentially might be uh,

1566
01:34:28,960 --> 01:34:32,720
Speaker 1: one of the greatest college football teams ever put together. Um.

1567
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:36,120
Speaker 1: You know, the NFL is full of Trojans. The current

1568
01:34:36,160 --> 01:34:42,120
Speaker 1: Trojans who underperformed are full of NFL talent. Um. You know,

1569
01:34:42,320 --> 01:34:47,200
Speaker 1: even even uh, even the fact that you know they're

1570
01:34:47,280 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: underperforming doesn't change that. You know, everybody wants a piece

1571
01:34:51,200 --> 01:34:55,120
Speaker 1: of Keaton Slovis right now, true freshman quarterback who went

1572
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:59,360
Speaker 1: from under recruited to UH to a superstar in l A. So. Um,

1573
01:34:59,400 --> 01:35:02,799
Speaker 1: you know that every every single thing that USC touches,

1574
01:35:02,840 --> 01:35:06,240
Speaker 1: whether it's good or bad, becomes a news item, especially

1575
01:35:06,280 --> 01:35:09,400
Speaker 1: in a you know, kind of a soft press um

1576
01:35:09,680 --> 01:35:12,960
Speaker 1: conference where you know, I think every other every other

1577
01:35:13,000 --> 01:35:16,120
Speaker 1: conference in the country at least you know, has more

1578
01:35:16,280 --> 01:35:21,320
Speaker 1: attention paid to their football programs or at least equal UM.

1579
01:35:21,360 --> 01:35:24,400
Speaker 1: You know, they were really sort of carried and booyed

1580
01:35:24,400 --> 01:35:26,040
Speaker 1: by USC. So I got them at a twenty four.

1581
01:35:26,080 --> 01:35:30,519
Speaker 1: As far as relevance stability, I've got them at a ten,

1582
01:35:31,280 --> 01:35:34,000
Speaker 1: which is I believe the second lowest grade or tied

1583
01:35:34,000 --> 01:35:36,120
Speaker 1: for the second lowest grade that I gave out. No,

1584
01:35:36,200 --> 01:35:38,640
Speaker 1: it's the second lowest grade that I gave out. Um.

1585
01:35:38,720 --> 01:35:42,200
Speaker 1: And you know why, and I know why. It's you

1586
01:35:42,280 --> 01:35:47,519
Speaker 1: know the fact that of their fan base once their

1587
01:35:47,560 --> 01:35:50,960
Speaker 1: coach gone and they hired a new athletic director to

1588
01:35:51,000 --> 01:35:56,240
Speaker 1: come in and objectively evaluate, and he disagrees, He disagrees

1589
01:35:56,240 --> 01:36:00,280
Speaker 1: with the entire fan base. Um. And so you know that,

1590
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:05,720
Speaker 1: and it's affecting their recruiting, which ps USC. The fact

1591
01:36:05,800 --> 01:36:07,920
Speaker 1: that they can still slip and fall into a Drake

1592
01:36:08,000 --> 01:36:11,400
Speaker 1: Jackson or slip and fall into a Gary Bryant is

1593
01:36:11,439 --> 01:36:13,599
Speaker 1: the reason that I have them at a fifteen out

1594
01:36:13,600 --> 01:36:15,519
Speaker 1: of twenty five. And even though they're dead last in

1595
01:36:15,560 --> 01:36:19,040
Speaker 1: the pack twelve right now, they are still going to

1596
01:36:19,120 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 1: get special, game changing players. And that's got to be

1597
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,640
Speaker 1: frustrating for the other eleven teams that even in a

1598
01:36:24,720 --> 01:36:27,599
Speaker 1: down year, the reason that USC is dead last right

1599
01:36:27,600 --> 01:36:30,080
Speaker 1: now is because they only have twelve signees. They're gonna

1600
01:36:30,120 --> 01:36:32,240
Speaker 1: get up to between twenty and twenty five, and those

1601
01:36:32,240 --> 01:36:34,559
Speaker 1: guys are gonna be able to play football. You know,

1602
01:36:34,560 --> 01:36:36,320
Speaker 1: they're not gonna be terrible. They're all going to be

1603
01:36:36,600 --> 01:36:40,600
Speaker 1: guys that you know, Oregon State or Utah or Washington

1604
01:36:40,680 --> 01:36:44,720
Speaker 1: State would take at a very minimum. So you know,

1605
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:48,559
Speaker 1: I think that you know, USC about the lowest they

1606
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:50,880
Speaker 1: can get in recruiting is a fifteen. And that's where

1607
01:36:50,920 --> 01:36:53,559
Speaker 1: I have them right now. And then future outlooks weird

1608
01:36:53,600 --> 01:36:57,439
Speaker 1: for me because things are not looking up for them,

1609
01:36:57,479 --> 01:36:59,479
Speaker 1: but they still have one of the best shots to

1610
01:36:59,520 --> 01:37:02,479
Speaker 1: win the Pack Club South of anybody next year, especially

1611
01:37:02,479 --> 01:37:05,080
Speaker 1: with who they're bringing back, which is wild. So I

1612
01:37:05,120 --> 01:37:09,040
Speaker 1: have them at a fifteen there, which which you know

1613
01:37:09,160 --> 01:37:11,559
Speaker 1: for a program is dysfunctional as they've been. To be

1614
01:37:11,640 --> 01:37:15,920
Speaker 1: a sixty four out of a hundred, uh is pretty amazing.

1615
01:37:16,000 --> 01:37:19,120
Speaker 1: And that's that's where I have them, Ralph, this is

1616
01:37:19,280 --> 01:37:23,720
Speaker 1: our biggest differential I think of the whole day. I

1617
01:37:23,840 --> 01:37:26,599
Speaker 1: have U C l A as relevant. I have them

1618
01:37:26,600 --> 01:37:35,360
Speaker 1: at twenty three. They are topical. They matter. The problem

1619
01:37:35,520 --> 01:37:37,960
Speaker 1: is is that this is the case of all publicity

1620
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,559
Speaker 1: is not good publicity as well, because some of their

1621
01:37:41,600 --> 01:37:46,880
Speaker 1: publicity about Clay Hilton is causing a recruiting instability. So

1622
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:51,160
Speaker 1: they get a twenty three there. They are a name brand.

1623
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,200
Speaker 1: People care about them. It matters. I mean even Alabama

1624
01:37:55,240 --> 01:37:59,760
Speaker 1: will play them. It just so happens. Alabamas caught them

1625
01:37:59,800 --> 01:38:03,559
Speaker 1: to ice in debt and in bad situations, so they

1626
01:38:03,600 --> 01:38:06,920
Speaker 1: get a twenty three. Uh And but how ironic is

1627
01:38:06,960 --> 01:38:11,599
Speaker 1: it if Bryce Young wins the Alabama starting quarterback job

1628
01:38:11,640 --> 01:38:16,840
Speaker 1: for him to go destroy USC? How crazy would that

1629
01:38:16,880 --> 01:38:19,519
Speaker 1: be in the first to see it? And that's just it.

1630
01:38:19,720 --> 01:38:22,120
Speaker 1: More people will be talking about USC is lost than

1631
01:38:22,240 --> 01:38:25,160
Speaker 1: talking about any other conference members win and that's what

1632
01:38:25,280 --> 01:38:28,000
Speaker 1: makes them so relevant. And so it's gonna be all

1633
01:38:28,120 --> 01:38:30,240
Speaker 1: up to Oregon the next week to beat Ohio State

1634
01:38:30,280 --> 01:38:34,479
Speaker 1: and Eugene Um for stability. I give him a ten

1635
01:38:35,720 --> 01:38:39,760
Speaker 1: a ten. Like I'm like when you're when everybody wants

1636
01:38:39,760 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: your coach fired or the majority of your fan base

1637
01:38:42,200 --> 01:38:46,679
Speaker 1: once you fired, and everybody's hanging on by a threat,

1638
01:38:47,000 --> 01:38:49,679
Speaker 1: you don't know who's coming back. Who's I mean, how

1639
01:38:49,840 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: how can he hire a defensive coordinator right right now?

1640
01:38:54,200 --> 01:38:57,320
Speaker 1: I mean, who's gonna leave? Because you want an experienced guy,

1641
01:38:57,720 --> 01:39:00,800
Speaker 1: a successful guy who's gonna leave their job to come

1642
01:39:00,880 --> 01:39:04,960
Speaker 1: coach with with Clay Helton unless they give him like

1643
01:39:05,000 --> 01:39:09,360
Speaker 1: a four year one point four million dollars a year.

1644
01:39:09,400 --> 01:39:11,439
Speaker 1: And he's like, okay, well if I get fired after

1645
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,920
Speaker 1: the first year at least I'll take these coins and

1646
01:39:13,920 --> 01:39:19,880
Speaker 1: go somewhere else. It'll be a financial choice for them.

1647
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:23,960
Speaker 1: So he gets a tend there, They get a tend there. Recruiting,

1648
01:39:24,240 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 1: I get him a twenty. Give him a twenty in

1649
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:31,559
Speaker 1: recruiting because last year's recruiting class was ranked twenty, but

1650
01:39:32,200 --> 01:39:37,240
Speaker 1: Keaton Slobus was severely under ranked. Chris Steele and Brew

1651
01:39:37,320 --> 01:39:40,680
Speaker 1: McCoy were five star kids transferred, well four and a

1652
01:39:40,720 --> 01:39:44,880
Speaker 1: five star kid transferred and in like, that's the top

1653
01:39:44,920 --> 01:39:49,000
Speaker 1: ten for gruing class probably or at least right up

1654
01:39:49,000 --> 01:39:52,960
Speaker 1: there with with Oregons. So I give him a twenty. Dude,

1655
01:39:53,000 --> 01:39:57,080
Speaker 1: They're they're gonna back. They're gonna finish this year probably

1656
01:39:57,160 --> 01:40:02,400
Speaker 1: what a top twenty six eight probably recruiting, it depends,

1657
01:40:02,400 --> 01:40:05,040
Speaker 1: I mean, it really depends on how they finish out.

1658
01:40:05,240 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 1: I expect them to maybe be around late thirties. They're

1659
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:15,120
Speaker 1: gonna back in to the middle of the pack. Tis

1660
01:40:15,120 --> 01:40:17,920
Speaker 1: like like they're gonna they're worst recruiting class is still

1661
01:40:17,960 --> 01:40:24,040
Speaker 1: gonna be better than Washington State, Arizona, Uh, you know,

1662
01:40:26,560 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: cal probably, you know, like they're they're gonna be better

1663
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:36,080
Speaker 1: than most people. So yeah, so that's where I got them.

1664
01:40:36,120 --> 01:40:39,240
Speaker 1: So I got an eighteen for their future outlook because

1665
01:40:39,479 --> 01:40:41,960
Speaker 1: because the Fossel could come on at any point in time,

1666
01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:45,559
Speaker 1: like this could turn like if Clay Hilton figures it out,

1667
01:40:45,680 --> 01:40:51,120
Speaker 1: something magical happens, then guess what with the new coaching staff,

1668
01:40:51,160 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: the guys that he's bringing in, this could be an

1669
01:40:53,600 --> 01:40:58,800
Speaker 1: undefeated team. Like it's crazy, they're there, they're variants. It's

1670
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:03,600
Speaker 1: so big five and seven to twelve and oh it's incredible.

1671
01:41:03,640 --> 01:41:05,960
Speaker 1: So I got them for a grand told of seventy one.

1672
01:41:06,000 --> 01:41:09,960
Speaker 1: Bro alright, seventy one. So that is the biggest difference

1673
01:41:09,960 --> 01:41:16,599
Speaker 1: of our seven, right, okay, um Utah is a weird one. Um,

1674
01:41:16,640 --> 01:41:19,280
Speaker 1: I have them at eighteen out of five and they're

1675
01:41:19,280 --> 01:41:22,519
Speaker 1: all a little bit weird. But Utah I have eighteen

1676
01:41:22,560 --> 01:41:25,519
Speaker 1: out of twenty five for relevance, and I think that

1677
01:41:25,760 --> 01:41:30,400
Speaker 1: like maybe the highest they could possibly be is like two,

1678
01:41:30,479 --> 01:41:32,919
Speaker 1: and that's if they had made the College Football Playoff.

1679
01:41:33,320 --> 01:41:36,439
Speaker 1: More people are talking about Utah than maybe have talked

1680
01:41:36,439 --> 01:41:42,560
Speaker 1: about them since Alex Smith was UM at quarterback, And uh,

1681
01:41:42,800 --> 01:41:46,120
Speaker 1: what's crazy is the last couple of months I would

1682
01:41:46,280 --> 01:41:50,000
Speaker 1: really only hear Utah talked about in the context of like, man,

1683
01:41:50,080 --> 01:41:52,920
Speaker 1: we really don't want Utah and then playoff we don't

1684
01:41:52,920 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: know anything about them, like it wouldn't be fun. And

1685
01:41:54,960 --> 01:41:59,920
Speaker 1: so you Utah's even in Utah's relevance, there was irrel

1686
01:42:00,000 --> 01:42:02,680
Speaker 1: events and that that was that had to be frustrating

1687
01:42:02,720 --> 01:42:04,559
Speaker 1: for Utah fans. And I can see what kind of

1688
01:42:04,560 --> 01:42:06,839
Speaker 1: maybe gives them a little bit of a little Brothers

1689
01:42:06,840 --> 01:42:10,800
Speaker 1: syndrome on on online sometimes. UM. But I gave them

1690
01:42:10,800 --> 01:42:12,840
Speaker 1: an eighteen out of twenty five as far as you

1691
01:42:12,880 --> 01:42:16,559
Speaker 1: know relevance, and obviously some of the recruiting goes into

1692
01:42:16,600 --> 01:42:22,280
Speaker 1: that um as well. Uh. But for stability, I gave

1693
01:42:22,360 --> 01:42:25,679
Speaker 1: them a twenty two out of twenty five. This could

1694
01:42:25,680 --> 01:42:31,000
Speaker 1: potentially be even higher. The players they bring in tend

1695
01:42:31,200 --> 01:42:36,000
Speaker 1: to not transfer out, even though Solomon enis their four

1696
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:38,559
Speaker 1: star wide receiver commit from a couple of years back.

1697
01:42:39,240 --> 01:42:43,320
Speaker 1: UH just tweeted thank you Utah, and and then his

1698
01:42:43,400 --> 01:42:45,800
Speaker 1: parents were retweeting a bunch of stuff about how we

1699
01:42:45,880 --> 01:42:48,800
Speaker 1: don't they don't use him and all that stuff. So

1700
01:42:48,800 --> 01:42:51,920
Speaker 1: they might be about to lose their highest profile receiver.

1701
01:42:52,360 --> 01:42:53,760
Speaker 1: But for the most part, you don't see a lot

1702
01:42:53,800 --> 01:42:56,040
Speaker 1: of guys transfer out of the program. You see guys

1703
01:42:56,080 --> 01:42:59,519
Speaker 1: come in, spend four maybe five years, they graduate a

1704
01:42:59,520 --> 01:43:02,559
Speaker 1: lot of guys. They've had the same um, you know,

1705
01:43:02,640 --> 01:43:06,519
Speaker 1: head coach for longer than anybody else. I think the

1706
01:43:06,560 --> 01:43:10,080
Speaker 1: biggest issue for them as far as stability is almost

1707
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,600
Speaker 1: always there seem to always be cycling through different offensive coordinators,

1708
01:43:15,120 --> 01:43:18,439
Speaker 1: you know, bringing old ones back and firing ones and

1709
01:43:18,880 --> 01:43:22,320
Speaker 1: losing ones to other jobs. So just as far as

1710
01:43:22,320 --> 01:43:25,320
Speaker 1: the coaches that they have running things on the offensive

1711
01:43:25,360 --> 01:43:28,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball, UM, I think keeps this from

1712
01:43:28,040 --> 01:43:31,200
Speaker 1: being even higher. Recruiting, I have them at a fifteen

1713
01:43:31,240 --> 01:43:35,719
Speaker 1: out of twenty five. That is crazy. How um little

1714
01:43:35,920 --> 01:43:40,080
Speaker 1: traction they're able to get with national recruits despite being

1715
01:43:40,080 --> 01:43:43,320
Speaker 1: able to compete on a national level. Uh. Never really

1716
01:43:43,439 --> 01:43:47,000
Speaker 1: understood that, especially because as Salt Lake is pretty great

1717
01:43:47,000 --> 01:43:51,000
Speaker 1: place to live. Um. And uh, they give you a

1718
01:43:51,040 --> 01:43:57,000
Speaker 1: lot of support there. Um, the fans do. UM. You know, yeah,

1719
01:43:57,040 --> 01:43:59,320
Speaker 1: it can be a little cold, you know, come visit

1720
01:43:59,360 --> 01:44:01,519
Speaker 1: time or whatever ever. And maybe it's a little bit

1721
01:44:01,520 --> 01:44:05,439
Speaker 1: different than California or Texas. Uh. But at the same time,

1722
01:44:05,479 --> 01:44:07,600
Speaker 1: you know, they are sending people to the NFL and

1723
01:44:07,600 --> 01:44:12,520
Speaker 1: competing on a high level, they should be getting better players. Um.

1724
01:44:12,560 --> 01:44:15,360
Speaker 1: And then uh, future outlook. You know, I I have

1725
01:44:15,439 --> 01:44:18,519
Speaker 1: them taking a dip next year, but you know that

1726
01:44:18,560 --> 01:44:21,800
Speaker 1: they're not gonna dip forever. So you know, I have

1727
01:44:21,880 --> 01:44:23,960
Speaker 1: them at a twenty out of twenty five, and that

1728
01:44:24,000 --> 01:44:26,760
Speaker 1: could be even higher. But I'm taking into consideration that

1729
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:29,599
Speaker 1: I think that they'll have sort of a one year

1730
01:44:29,640 --> 01:44:32,559
Speaker 1: transition period where things are, you know, where they do

1731
01:44:32,680 --> 01:44:34,519
Speaker 1: struggle with some of the teams that they beat the

1732
01:44:34,520 --> 01:44:37,280
Speaker 1: snot out of this year, which puts them at a

1733
01:44:37,400 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 1: seventy five out of one overalls. As we go down,

1734
01:44:42,720 --> 01:44:48,320
Speaker 1: the list of gaps get bigger. Um Utah. I gave

1735
01:44:48,360 --> 01:44:50,519
Speaker 1: him a four team for relevance, Ralph, they get they're

1736
01:44:50,560 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 1: not very relevant. They're in the National Championship conversation and

1737
01:44:54,840 --> 01:45:00,200
Speaker 1: everybody saying you whatever, yea, you know, just brushing over them.

1738
01:45:00,280 --> 01:45:04,720
Speaker 1: And then as far as like they don't win the

1739
01:45:04,720 --> 01:45:07,320
Speaker 1: big games. They've had two opportunities to win the Pack

1740
01:45:07,360 --> 01:45:12,160
Speaker 1: twelve hasn't hasn't happened. They they had everything set up

1741
01:45:12,200 --> 01:45:14,720
Speaker 1: for him, did not do it. In a couple of

1742
01:45:14,760 --> 01:45:18,240
Speaker 1: years before that, they got close to the Pack twelve

1743
01:45:18,320 --> 01:45:23,160
Speaker 1: South didn't get it closed out and it seems like

1744
01:45:23,200 --> 01:45:26,439
Speaker 1: that this was their year they had an opportunity let

1745
01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:29,320
Speaker 1: it fall by the wayside. That Texas lost was just

1746
01:45:29,320 --> 01:45:34,479
Speaker 1: just brutal. Um. Kind of reminded me of when a

1747
01:45:34,680 --> 01:45:38,920
Speaker 1: su won ten games with Rudy Carpenter and then didn't

1748
01:45:38,960 --> 01:45:42,519
Speaker 1: make a major Bowl even though they thought they should

1749
01:45:42,560 --> 01:45:44,840
Speaker 1: make one of the major Bowls and then they got

1750
01:45:44,880 --> 01:45:48,840
Speaker 1: destroyed by Texas, you know, bowl game. It's very kind

1751
01:45:48,880 --> 01:45:51,400
Speaker 1: of parallels, Yeah, because they it seems like when they

1752
01:45:51,439 --> 01:45:55,599
Speaker 1: get up against uh superior, like some really really talented

1753
01:45:55,640 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 1: players at different positions. Because Texas has got five star

1754
01:45:59,360 --> 01:46:02,960
Speaker 1: guys all over place too, they don't seem to do

1755
01:46:03,120 --> 01:46:07,400
Speaker 1: very well. Um except for against USC. Well, no, they

1756
01:46:07,439 --> 01:46:11,839
Speaker 1: lost USC two weird uh stability. I give him twenty

1757
01:46:11,880 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: three Kyle whitting Ham had. I mean, I can't even

1758
01:46:15,439 --> 01:46:19,400
Speaker 1: imagine how many job offers he's gotten. He's there because

1759
01:46:19,400 --> 01:46:22,080
Speaker 1: he wants to be there. He's at Utah because he

1760
01:46:22,120 --> 01:46:24,879
Speaker 1: wants to be there. But I would imagine that Baylor

1761
01:46:25,080 --> 01:46:27,519
Speaker 1: comes comes knocking at his door, and now that Matt

1762
01:46:27,600 --> 01:46:31,040
Speaker 1: Rule is going to the Carolina Panthers, that that's one

1763
01:46:31,040 --> 01:46:34,120
Speaker 1: of the guys whose door I'd be knocking at. That's

1764
01:46:34,120 --> 01:46:36,680
Speaker 1: a good point. I think you know, uh, you know,

1765
01:46:36,760 --> 01:46:39,519
Speaker 1: three years ago there was some rumors connecting Todd Graham

1766
01:46:39,600 --> 01:46:41,960
Speaker 1: to to Baylor. And I think the longer that you

1767
01:46:42,040 --> 01:46:45,080
Speaker 1: go without a job in college football, the more people

1768
01:46:45,120 --> 01:46:48,040
Speaker 1: think that you're washed up, even if your record was good.

1769
01:46:48,439 --> 01:46:50,360
Speaker 1: So I don't think that you know, Graham has any

1770
01:46:50,479 --> 01:46:54,520
Speaker 1: chance out there, unfortunately, but getting somebody like Kyle Whittingham,

1771
01:46:54,560 --> 01:46:56,919
Speaker 1: you know, that could be a ten fifteen year commitment,

1772
01:46:57,479 --> 01:46:59,439
Speaker 1: you know, for for them, and and that could be

1773
01:46:59,520 --> 01:47:01,320
Speaker 1: a really really big deal that that might be good

1774
01:47:01,320 --> 01:47:03,719
Speaker 1: for them to look into, but that would be tough,

1775
01:47:04,080 --> 01:47:08,320
Speaker 1: tough for Utah, devastate them for recruiting. I give him

1776
01:47:08,320 --> 01:47:12,360
Speaker 1: a fourteen. Just gotta be better, especially when you've been

1777
01:47:12,439 --> 01:47:15,839
Speaker 1: having good seasons. It's just got to be better. And

1778
01:47:16,280 --> 01:47:19,400
Speaker 1: uh for future outlook, I give him a fifteen. Only

1779
01:47:19,439 --> 01:47:22,439
Speaker 1: a fifteen. This is not a team that's I don't

1780
01:47:22,439 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: think they're close to a Pac twelve championship, especially with

1781
01:47:25,280 --> 01:47:28,000
Speaker 1: losing their marquee players they did, It's not like they

1782
01:47:28,320 --> 01:47:31,439
Speaker 1: brought in more. So they're gonna have to develop those.

1783
01:47:32,240 --> 01:47:36,400
Speaker 1: They're years away from being seriously winning a Pack twelve championship,

1784
01:47:36,439 --> 01:47:39,599
Speaker 1: even if they win the South again. UM and then

1785
01:47:39,640 --> 01:47:43,120
Speaker 1: a national championship. Just let's not even talk about that

1786
01:47:43,200 --> 01:47:48,840
Speaker 1: right now, even though I like the Gas nine, So

1787
01:47:48,880 --> 01:47:56,280
Speaker 1: now our biggest gaps nine. Alright, then, uh, Washington your

1788
01:47:56,320 --> 01:48:02,120
Speaker 1: favorite team? Uh they are, Uh, they're They're fairly relevant.

1789
01:48:02,240 --> 01:48:06,840
Speaker 1: But at the same time, UM, yeah, I gave him

1790
01:48:06,840 --> 01:48:09,680
Speaker 1: a twenty two out of five. Uh. They you know,

1791
01:48:09,720 --> 01:48:16,040
Speaker 1: they played um in the Fiesta Bol. Recently, they've always

1792
01:48:16,080 --> 01:48:21,120
Speaker 1: got guys getting drafted. Um, there's been a lack of

1793
01:48:21,200 --> 01:48:25,479
Speaker 1: excitement around their program though, even though they you know,

1794
01:48:26,120 --> 01:48:29,840
Speaker 1: they had a high profile quarterback this year, they had

1795
01:48:29,880 --> 01:48:33,799
Speaker 1: a multi year starter before that. There just never seems

1796
01:48:33,840 --> 01:48:36,760
Speaker 1: to be a ton of juice around the offense of

1797
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:40,639
Speaker 1: this program. And offense is what really drives the numbers,

1798
01:48:40,760 --> 01:48:46,360
Speaker 1: right That's what is the super sexy thing, and so um,

1799
01:48:46,439 --> 01:48:48,360
Speaker 1: you know, I think more people pay attention to to

1800
01:48:48,680 --> 01:48:52,240
Speaker 1: with even those Stanford's offense wasn't all that great, you know,

1801
01:48:52,320 --> 01:48:57,240
Speaker 1: with the whole Bryce Love conversations and Christian McCaffrey conversations,

1802
01:48:57,280 --> 01:49:00,200
Speaker 1: people made more attention to Stanford's offense and they'd washed him.

1803
01:49:00,280 --> 01:49:01,880
Speaker 1: And I think that's the only thing that keeps this

1804
01:49:02,400 --> 01:49:04,920
Speaker 1: number from being as high as it possibly could be

1805
01:49:04,920 --> 01:49:09,680
Speaker 1: because you know, they are a very relevant team, two

1806
01:49:09,760 --> 01:49:12,800
Speaker 1: recruits to the media, but for some reason, they just

1807
01:49:12,840 --> 01:49:15,200
Speaker 1: don't have that one thing that really puts them over

1808
01:49:15,280 --> 01:49:18,320
Speaker 1: the top. Um. They they just need a they need

1809
01:49:18,479 --> 01:49:23,959
Speaker 1: a breakout star. I feel like um stability. They obviously

1810
01:49:24,080 --> 01:49:27,240
Speaker 1: set a head coach completely walk away from the game,

1811
01:49:27,840 --> 01:49:30,040
Speaker 1: and they fired their offensive coordinators, so that they took

1812
01:49:30,040 --> 01:49:32,240
Speaker 1: a little bit of a hit here. But I still

1813
01:49:32,240 --> 01:49:34,320
Speaker 1: have them as a nineteen, which is good. You know,

1814
01:49:34,360 --> 01:49:37,080
Speaker 1: they hired from within the head coach and waiting thing

1815
01:49:37,120 --> 01:49:41,240
Speaker 1: almost never works, and uh in this case, you know,

1816
01:49:41,280 --> 01:49:43,280
Speaker 1: it worked out for them, So I gave them a nineteen.

1817
01:49:44,400 --> 01:49:50,160
Speaker 1: Recruiting they are, They're fantastic. They're a fantastic team when

1818
01:49:50,200 --> 01:49:53,000
Speaker 1: it comes to just getting talent to come in. I

1819
01:49:53,000 --> 01:49:55,000
Speaker 1: have a two out of twenty five. The only way

1820
01:49:55,040 --> 01:49:58,240
Speaker 1: that that could be higher for me, UM is if

1821
01:49:58,280 --> 01:50:01,160
Speaker 1: they could always you know, they didn't struggle to lock

1822
01:50:01,200 --> 01:50:05,679
Speaker 1: down the top top talent in Washington year in year out. Um.

1823
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:08,759
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, I live in Arizona and I watched

1824
01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,479
Speaker 1: the top talent leave the state every single year. And

1825
01:50:11,520 --> 01:50:14,320
Speaker 1: I'm adjacent to California, where the top talent leaves every

1826
01:50:14,320 --> 01:50:18,840
Speaker 1: single year. UM, so it's expected that that might happen

1827
01:50:18,840 --> 01:50:21,240
Speaker 1: in Washington too, but you know, they need to hold

1828
01:50:21,280 --> 01:50:23,400
Speaker 1: on to guys like ge Scott, and I think that,

1829
01:50:23,720 --> 01:50:25,559
Speaker 1: you know, one of the hits that I gave them

1830
01:50:25,600 --> 01:50:27,960
Speaker 1: was just not really having a super sexy offense, and

1831
01:50:28,400 --> 01:50:30,600
Speaker 1: you know that that's the reason that a guy like

1832
01:50:30,680 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 1: Gee Scott leaves to go to Ohio State over over Washington. Uh.

1833
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,519
Speaker 1: And then um, for future outlook, I gave them a

1834
01:50:37,640 --> 01:50:42,200
Speaker 1: twenty one. UM. They're gonna be competitive no matter what.

1835
01:50:42,720 --> 01:50:45,880
Speaker 1: They're always going to have that home field advantage, no

1836
01:50:45,920 --> 01:50:49,599
Speaker 1: matter what. They are shocked full of talent. There's no

1837
01:50:49,640 --> 01:50:53,800
Speaker 1: reason to expect that, um that they will continue to

1838
01:50:53,920 --> 01:50:56,800
Speaker 1: have any type of drop off like they had this year,

1839
01:50:56,840 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 1: so long as they bring in a decent offensive mind.

1840
01:51:00,360 --> 01:51:02,280
Speaker 1: I think that's really what it's all gonna come down to.

1841
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:04,479
Speaker 1: So maybe it was even a little more generous than

1842
01:51:04,520 --> 01:51:06,280
Speaker 1: I should be as far as future outlook. But I

1843
01:51:06,840 --> 01:51:09,280
Speaker 1: really believe that this team isn't gonna stay down for

1844
01:51:09,320 --> 01:51:13,559
Speaker 1: too long. So that puts them which is I believe

1845
01:51:13,920 --> 01:51:17,719
Speaker 1: my second highest score that I gave out you double

1846
01:51:17,800 --> 01:51:23,479
Speaker 1: oh god, um so Ralph for relevance, I gave them

1847
01:51:23,479 --> 01:51:28,520
Speaker 1: a twenty. They're relevant people. If you say you beat Washington,

1848
01:51:28,600 --> 01:51:33,160
Speaker 1: it's a good win. It's newsworthy. You know, they're not

1849
01:51:33,280 --> 01:51:37,880
Speaker 1: super flashy. They had Jacob Eason didn't amount to what

1850
01:51:38,000 --> 01:51:41,920
Speaker 1: it but it's still Washington is still a national brand.

1851
01:51:42,000 --> 01:51:44,840
Speaker 1: They they feel a lot. They're they're kind of in

1852
01:51:44,840 --> 01:51:49,000
Speaker 1: that Texas boat where they have they're relevant nationally, but

1853
01:51:49,040 --> 01:51:51,519
Speaker 1: they haven't really been as good as you really think

1854
01:51:51,560 --> 01:51:55,960
Speaker 1: that they've been. Um. But but what with that all said,

1855
01:51:56,439 --> 01:52:01,040
Speaker 1: I give them a twenty. They're recruiting well, they're putting

1856
01:52:01,040 --> 01:52:04,519
Speaker 1: guys in the NFL coaching them up. I like that

1857
01:52:04,800 --> 01:52:08,040
Speaker 1: the relevance of twenty for stability, I give him a

1858
01:52:08,080 --> 01:52:11,640
Speaker 1: twenty two. Even though Chris Peterson left, everybody else is

1859
01:52:11,680 --> 01:52:15,920
Speaker 1: still there pretty much. They fired the offensive coordinator, Jimmy Lake.

1860
01:52:16,320 --> 01:52:20,960
Speaker 1: Smooth transition, they kept the recruiting class together. Everything seems,

1861
01:52:21,320 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: you know, like it's going as well as it can

1862
01:52:24,479 --> 01:52:27,080
Speaker 1: right now. It's kind of like a transition that what

1863
01:52:27,240 --> 01:52:31,120
Speaker 1: happened with Bob Stoops and Lincoln Riley in Oklahoma. Hope

1864
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:34,160
Speaker 1: it works out for the dogs because I'm a back

1865
01:52:34,240 --> 01:52:38,880
Speaker 1: the pack guy, so better Washington is if Oregon beats

1866
01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:43,519
Speaker 1: some even better for recruiting a game of twenty two

1867
01:52:43,920 --> 01:52:47,280
Speaker 1: because they are putting it down and recruiting. It could

1868
01:52:47,360 --> 01:52:51,320
Speaker 1: be better if they If if Oregon Washington in usc

1869
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:54,360
Speaker 1: and and we know that Stanford recruits really well too

1870
01:52:54,360 --> 01:52:57,400
Speaker 1: in the Arizona state. If you can get those fives,

1871
01:52:57,439 --> 01:52:59,439
Speaker 1: if you can get two of them in the top ten,

1872
01:53:00,520 --> 01:53:03,000
Speaker 1: two of them in the top twenty, and then one

1873
01:53:03,040 --> 01:53:05,720
Speaker 1: of them in the top twenty five, I think that

1874
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:10,640
Speaker 1: will overall make the pack twelve stronger. And and you're

1875
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:13,559
Speaker 1: gonna be taking recruits away from the big bull from

1876
01:53:13,560 --> 01:53:17,559
Speaker 1: the other conferences. And when you're constantly having those in there,

1877
01:53:17,680 --> 01:53:20,120
Speaker 1: then you're gonna have more high drafticks. You're gonna be

1878
01:53:20,160 --> 01:53:22,640
Speaker 1: more well respected, which matters. So I give him a

1879
01:53:22,680 --> 01:53:26,559
Speaker 1: twenty two for nineteen future outlook and give him a nineteen.

1880
01:53:27,400 --> 01:53:31,320
Speaker 1: There they got quarterback who's gonna be their quarterback. Obviously,

1881
01:53:31,360 --> 01:53:35,320
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator got fired, not just left, So what is

1882
01:53:35,360 --> 01:53:37,840
Speaker 1: that gonna look like for the future. Their offense hasn't

1883
01:53:37,880 --> 01:53:41,000
Speaker 1: been great the last few years. Gave him a nineteen

1884
01:53:41,120 --> 01:53:44,960
Speaker 1: for a grand total of eighty three. Ralph uh All, Right,

1885
01:53:45,040 --> 01:53:51,080
Speaker 1: let's finish up with Washington State. UM, Washington State's relevance

1886
01:53:51,360 --> 01:53:53,880
Speaker 1: is the highest score that I gave them, And it's

1887
01:53:54,000 --> 01:53:58,280
Speaker 1: just so heavily dependent upon Mike Leach. Mike Leach is

1888
01:53:58,280 --> 01:54:02,639
Speaker 1: probably twelve of these seventh teen points. People talk about

1889
01:54:02,720 --> 01:54:06,479
Speaker 1: Washington State because of Mike Leach. If you score five,

1890
01:54:06,520 --> 01:54:09,280
Speaker 1: if you were a player at Washington State and you

1891
01:54:09,320 --> 01:54:13,280
Speaker 1: score five touchdowns on offense, the national media is going

1892
01:54:13,320 --> 01:54:16,559
Speaker 1: to talk about Mike Leach getting you those five touchdowns.

1893
01:54:16,560 --> 01:54:20,479
Speaker 1: They're not going to talk about you. Um. And so

1894
01:54:20,800 --> 01:54:24,719
Speaker 1: you know, he's sort of become a national media darling.

1895
01:54:24,800 --> 01:54:27,080
Speaker 1: He keeps him his name in the news by doing

1896
01:54:27,120 --> 01:54:31,200
Speaker 1: weird stuff like he tweeted the other day of a

1897
01:54:31,400 --> 01:54:34,680
Speaker 1: bear showing its genitals to a camera that had a

1898
01:54:34,720 --> 01:54:37,640
Speaker 1: picture that said send nudes on it. Like that's the

1899
01:54:37,720 --> 01:54:39,960
Speaker 1: kind of stuff that he spends his time doing. So

1900
01:54:40,000 --> 01:54:42,560
Speaker 1: of course people are going to talk about it. Um.

1901
01:54:42,640 --> 01:54:44,920
Speaker 1: The offense scores a lot of points. You know, he's

1902
01:54:44,960 --> 01:54:49,280
Speaker 1: written books and UM. You know, I think that Washington

1903
01:54:49,400 --> 01:54:53,600
Speaker 1: State has some relevance. UM, as far as you know,

1904
01:54:53,600 --> 01:54:55,760
Speaker 1: we talked about Colorado just being part of the national

1905
01:54:55,800 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 1: football conversation. You know that do you get that Washington

1906
01:54:59,600 --> 01:55:03,839
Speaker 1: State flag on set at every UM, you know, college

1907
01:55:03,840 --> 01:55:08,280
Speaker 1: game day, so they you know, there's that, But you know,

1908
01:55:09,400 --> 01:55:11,400
Speaker 1: as far as big time players, you don't get a

1909
01:55:11,440 --> 01:55:15,920
Speaker 1: lot of people in the first round conversation. Um, you know,

1910
01:55:15,960 --> 01:55:19,720
Speaker 1: they've won a lot of games recently, but you know,

1911
01:55:21,160 --> 01:55:24,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. Basically Gardner, Minshew and Mike Leach are

1912
01:55:24,880 --> 01:55:27,880
Speaker 1: gonna keep this program's name in the news. Uh and

1913
01:55:27,920 --> 01:55:29,840
Speaker 1: other than that, it's gonna be really tough to get

1914
01:55:29,880 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 1: any oxygen. Uh for stability, I have them at a

1915
01:55:33,160 --> 01:55:37,560
Speaker 1: fifteen out of this number should be hired. But they

1916
01:55:37,560 --> 01:55:39,800
Speaker 1: took a big hit for how they performed this year.

1917
01:55:40,320 --> 01:55:43,400
Speaker 1: They actually did a pretty good job of just sort

1918
01:55:43,440 --> 01:55:46,680
Speaker 1: of winning a lot of games over time. Mike Leach

1919
01:55:46,760 --> 01:55:48,560
Speaker 1: likes to point out that, you know going into the

1920
01:55:48,640 --> 01:55:51,680
Speaker 1: year that they had won any more more games. I

1921
01:55:51,720 --> 01:55:53,600
Speaker 1: think overall it is either more games overall or more

1922
01:55:53,600 --> 01:55:58,400
Speaker 1: packed twelve games than anyone else in the UH Pacific

1923
01:55:58,400 --> 01:56:05,640
Speaker 1: Athletic Conference uh um during his tenure. UH And also, UM,

1924
01:56:05,680 --> 01:56:08,880
Speaker 1: you know they they they are competitive in the games

1925
01:56:08,880 --> 01:56:12,760
Speaker 1: they lose, So there's that. Recruiting. I gave them a

1926
01:56:12,800 --> 01:56:15,920
Speaker 1: fourteen out of twenty five. They have not really been

1927
01:56:15,960 --> 01:56:20,920
Speaker 1: able to capitalize on Mike Leach's star status to get

1928
01:56:20,960 --> 01:56:25,040
Speaker 1: some elite guys in although they have been doing better

1929
01:56:25,080 --> 01:56:29,680
Speaker 1: in recent years than they did before he was there. Um,

1930
01:56:29,880 --> 01:56:32,320
Speaker 1: that's pretty self explanatory. They don't get elite guys, but

1931
01:56:32,360 --> 01:56:34,080
Speaker 1: they're doing a decent job, so that gives them a

1932
01:56:34,080 --> 01:56:42,720
Speaker 1: fourteen and future outlook I am. I'm not as optimistic, um,

1933
01:56:42,920 --> 01:56:45,560
Speaker 1: because I just don't know how sustainable it is for

1934
01:56:46,120 --> 01:56:48,760
Speaker 1: Mike Leach to be in his position and be you know,

1935
01:56:48,840 --> 01:56:51,520
Speaker 1: he's a great coach when you're winning, but when you're

1936
01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,520
Speaker 1: losing and he's not necessarily taking an accountability for any

1937
01:56:54,520 --> 01:56:56,960
Speaker 1: of the things that are going on and making news

1938
01:56:57,040 --> 01:56:59,480
Speaker 1: for all sorts of other weird stuff, and there's discord

1939
01:56:59,480 --> 01:57:02,000
Speaker 1: on the staff often you know, the things aren't great.

1940
01:57:02,040 --> 01:57:03,880
Speaker 1: So it's just a matter of, like, our things gonna

1941
01:57:03,920 --> 01:57:05,920
Speaker 1: be good or not. And I don't really have a

1942
01:57:05,960 --> 01:57:08,440
Speaker 1: crystal ball on that right now. As much as I

1943
01:57:08,520 --> 01:57:10,640
Speaker 1: like to make predictions, this one's tough for me. So

1944
01:57:11,080 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 1: I gave them a fifteen out of twenty five on that,

1945
01:57:13,600 --> 01:57:16,680
Speaker 1: and that's just because they could win nine games next year,

1946
01:57:16,680 --> 01:57:18,400
Speaker 1: and it wouldn't surprise me they could win five games.

1947
01:57:18,440 --> 01:57:21,800
Speaker 1: It wouldn't surprise me either. Um, and if they win

1948
01:57:21,840 --> 01:57:24,760
Speaker 1: five games, things could get real bad, real sour, real

1949
01:57:24,840 --> 01:57:27,400
Speaker 1: quick out there. But I currently have them at an

1950
01:57:27,440 --> 01:57:29,920
Speaker 1: overall score of well and Ben and I get to

1951
01:57:30,000 --> 01:57:35,200
Speaker 1: sour because they just gave him a contract extincion. So, UM,

1952
01:57:35,440 --> 01:57:42,200
Speaker 1: I wait, what would your score for Washington State? We're

1953
01:57:42,240 --> 01:57:45,400
Speaker 1: close on this one too. I gave him eleven for relevance.

1954
01:57:45,480 --> 01:57:50,000
Speaker 1: You gave him a seventeen and you said twelve of

1955
01:57:50,000 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: the points where Mike Leach and I'm like, okay, But

1956
01:57:54,000 --> 01:57:56,240
Speaker 1: when they but they say Mike Leats, but then don't

1957
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:00,440
Speaker 1: say Washington State. They just say Mike Mike Leat, so

1958
01:58:00,560 --> 01:58:04,400
Speaker 1: I former Texas tech head coach exactly, so they don't

1959
01:58:04,880 --> 01:58:07,680
Speaker 1: get the buzz and the bounce from all the pirate

1960
01:58:07,800 --> 01:58:12,240
Speaker 1: conversation all of that. The biggest thing Washington State has

1961
01:58:12,280 --> 01:58:17,720
Speaker 1: going for them is the game day flag streak. They're

1962
01:58:17,760 --> 01:58:20,880
Speaker 1: having Old Crimson flying at every college football game day

1963
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:24,040
Speaker 1: on ESPN. That's the biggest thing they got going them

1964
01:58:24,200 --> 01:58:31,200
Speaker 1: and him and Gardner Minshew. So that's their relevance right there. Uh. Stability,

1965
01:58:31,440 --> 01:58:34,840
Speaker 1: I gave him a twenty two fir stability. Leech isn't

1966
01:58:34,840 --> 01:58:37,840
Speaker 1: going anywhere. He'll blame everybody else and fire everybody else.

1967
01:58:37,880 --> 01:58:42,720
Speaker 1: And he got a new contract, so that that situation

1968
01:58:42,760 --> 01:58:45,800
Speaker 1: there there, and they are pretty much they are a

1969
01:58:45,840 --> 01:58:49,640
Speaker 1: flat line team. They're gonna be you know, bowl eligible

1970
01:58:49,720 --> 01:58:52,440
Speaker 1: every year because they're not gonna play a tough nonconference schedule.

1971
01:58:52,520 --> 01:58:55,360
Speaker 1: They're gonna be bowl eligible. And then they're going to

1972
01:58:55,920 --> 01:59:03,440
Speaker 1: uh um yeah, they're they're gonna be Bowl eligible and

1973
01:59:03,480 --> 01:59:09,280
Speaker 1: then they are going to uh, you know, like occasionally

1974
01:59:09,320 --> 01:59:12,160
Speaker 1: have a bump up year kind of like Oregon State

1975
01:59:12,240 --> 01:59:15,360
Speaker 1: like we were like we were saying, or Washington State

1976
01:59:15,800 --> 01:59:19,040
Speaker 1: a couple of years ago, win a whole bunch of games,

1977
01:59:19,080 --> 01:59:22,640
Speaker 1: win ten games or last year winning games and then

1978
01:59:22,760 --> 01:59:27,320
Speaker 1: don't get a national championship opportunity, you know what I mean? Sorry,

1979
01:59:27,440 --> 01:59:32,480
Speaker 1: a New Year's six Bowl opportunity. So that's what they

1980
01:59:32,480 --> 01:59:38,360
Speaker 1: got for stability recruiting. I gave him an eleven. Like

1981
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:43,320
Speaker 1: they do. Okay, they get a bunch of wide wide receivers, uh,

1982
01:59:43,560 --> 01:59:46,280
Speaker 1: some quarterbacks that you haven't heard of that Mike Leach.

1983
01:59:46,320 --> 01:59:50,360
Speaker 1: He develops them like they're not bringing in impact players.

1984
01:59:51,120 --> 01:59:54,160
Speaker 1: Occasionally they'll hit guy on the transfer market or something

1985
01:59:54,200 --> 01:59:56,440
Speaker 1: like like that. But the recruiting is always going to

1986
01:59:56,480 --> 01:59:58,640
Speaker 1: be at the bottom of the back twelve. It's hard,

1987
01:59:59,080 --> 02:00:01,800
Speaker 1: Like honestly, like where it was hard to get people

1988
02:00:01,840 --> 02:00:04,760
Speaker 1: to Eugene, it's even harder to get people to Pullman.

1989
02:00:05,320 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 1: Pullman is I mean, like if you've ever been to

1990
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,360
Speaker 1: the Pullman Airport, there's like you can throw a rock

1991
02:00:11,480 --> 02:00:16,600
Speaker 1: from one end to the other end, and like it's

1992
02:00:16,640 --> 02:00:20,800
Speaker 1: just like if you get to your gate ten minutes

1993
02:00:20,840 --> 02:00:24,240
Speaker 1: before you're playing, you won't you won't miss it. Like

1994
02:00:24,280 --> 02:00:26,280
Speaker 1: you're not gonna get stuck in the security line because

1995
02:00:26,280 --> 02:00:30,600
Speaker 1: it's only eight people long. Um, but I mean it's

1996
02:00:30,600 --> 02:00:33,680
Speaker 1: a cool town, but it's still tough to get kids

1997
02:00:33,760 --> 02:00:36,320
Speaker 1: for especially from warm remember weather climates, because you know

1998
02:00:36,360 --> 02:00:38,600
Speaker 1: it's gonna snow, whether it's gonna be bad, all of that,

1999
02:00:39,440 --> 02:00:42,600
Speaker 1: and the last thing future outlook, I give him a fifteen.

2000
02:00:43,680 --> 02:00:46,320
Speaker 1: They're gonna be somebody who's gonna be a thorn in

2001
02:00:46,440 --> 02:00:50,160
Speaker 1: some pack twelfth teams side. They're not gonna be able

2002
02:00:50,200 --> 02:00:53,839
Speaker 1: to be Washington very much because Jimmy Lakes got the formula.

2003
02:00:54,480 --> 02:00:59,240
Speaker 1: Same thing with Cow because they're getting better justin Wilcox

2004
02:00:59,280 --> 02:01:01,000
Speaker 1: and Tim to rid Or know how to beat him

2005
02:01:02,000 --> 02:01:05,000
Speaker 1: Oregons turned a corner with them, it's gonna be tough

2006
02:01:05,200 --> 02:01:08,200
Speaker 1: for them in the back twelve north. So yeah, so

2007
02:01:08,360 --> 02:01:11,560
Speaker 1: their future outlook is a fifteen for a total of

2008
02:01:11,680 --> 02:01:17,480
Speaker 1: fifty nine. Ralph, So, what's your second lowest score that

2009
02:01:17,920 --> 02:01:22,160
Speaker 1: that you gave out? Mine was Oregon State at fifty three,

2010
02:01:22,160 --> 02:01:26,280
Speaker 1: and I felt pretty positive about it. Yeah, mine was

2011
02:01:26,400 --> 02:01:30,840
Speaker 1: Oregon State at fifty and I feel very positive about them,

2012
02:01:30,840 --> 02:01:34,800
Speaker 1: Like I feel very positive about Oregon State. I feel

2013
02:01:34,840 --> 02:01:40,120
Speaker 1: more positive about Oregon State Colorado, who only had a sixty,

2014
02:01:40,120 --> 02:01:47,160
Speaker 1: then I do about probably Washington State, and really you

2015
02:01:47,320 --> 02:01:52,320
Speaker 1: talk to right and then so that that's what makes

2016
02:01:52,360 --> 02:01:57,200
Speaker 1: Arizona score so insane. I have them at less than

2017
02:01:57,320 --> 02:02:02,560
Speaker 1: half of my lowest score. Uh me too, I've met

2018
02:02:02,560 --> 02:02:08,440
Speaker 1: a twenty four. That's bad, dude, that's bad. If they're

2019
02:02:08,480 --> 02:02:10,160
Speaker 1: if they're good next year, they find a way to

2020
02:02:10,160 --> 02:02:12,000
Speaker 1: be good. It's gonna make us look real stupid, but

2021
02:02:12,040 --> 02:02:15,160
Speaker 1: it'd be good for them, Ralph. It's it's not happening,

2022
02:02:15,640 --> 02:02:19,360
Speaker 1: like that's one of those things. If it, if it happens,

2023
02:02:19,840 --> 02:02:24,040
Speaker 1: then you know, God God blessed them, you know, But

2024
02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:32,120
Speaker 1: they're gonna need let me pull up there, Um, there

2025
02:02:32,160 --> 02:02:39,640
Speaker 1: are schedule because if you look at it, then they

2026
02:02:39,680 --> 02:02:46,760
Speaker 1: may have a path I guess, but let's let's see

2027
02:02:47,400 --> 02:02:51,840
Speaker 1: so what so what what record would be proving us wrong?

2028
02:02:53,000 --> 02:02:55,680
Speaker 1: Because oh, I think I ain't going to a ball.

2029
02:02:55,840 --> 02:02:58,280
Speaker 1: I think going to a ball would be proving us wrong.

2030
02:02:58,320 --> 02:03:02,280
Speaker 1: I think six wins would be right. So they play

2031
02:03:02,360 --> 02:03:07,800
Speaker 1: Hawaii in Arizona this year though, that's gonna be tough

2032
02:03:08,400 --> 02:03:12,200
Speaker 1: because they lost Hawaii is last year. Um. And they

2033
02:03:12,240 --> 02:03:18,000
Speaker 1: play Portland's State, which they're gonna be uh no, they're

2034
02:03:18,000 --> 02:03:23,400
Speaker 1: gonna be Portly State. They're gonna they play at Texas Tech.

2035
02:03:25,680 --> 02:03:30,080
Speaker 1: I can't promise what's gonna happen there. Yeah, And in

2036
02:03:30,160 --> 02:03:35,320
Speaker 1: their pack twelfth schedule they play Arizona State, Colorado, Oregon,

2037
02:03:35,680 --> 02:03:42,360
Speaker 1: Stanford USC and then at Oregon State, at u c

2038
02:03:42,520 --> 02:03:45,200
Speaker 1: l A, at Utah and at Washington. Oh god, they

2039
02:03:45,240 --> 02:03:47,280
Speaker 1: played they play all the good teams in the back

2040
02:03:47,360 --> 02:03:52,760
Speaker 1: Ville North. Oh boy. Yeah, it's gonna be it's gonna

2041
02:03:52,760 --> 02:03:54,920
Speaker 1: be a rough one for them. Man. It's if four

2042
02:03:54,960 --> 02:04:02,360
Speaker 1: winds would be four winds would be uh like okay

2043
02:04:02,600 --> 02:04:07,280
Speaker 1: based on that schedule, and six wins would be really good. Well,

2044
02:04:07,280 --> 02:04:09,600
Speaker 1: they're gonna get they should get too. In the non

2045
02:04:09,640 --> 02:04:14,320
Speaker 1: conference with Hawaii and Portland State, they're gonna be They

2046
02:04:14,440 --> 02:04:17,120
Speaker 1: just lost to Hawaiian, but they were playing in Hawaii

2047
02:04:17,880 --> 02:04:21,480
Speaker 1: this year, so I'm gonna give my edge only because

2048
02:04:21,520 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 1: they're playing at home. So you got Oregon, Stanford, USC,

2049
02:04:31,200 --> 02:04:37,400
Speaker 1: Washington and then probably I mean those those are pretty

2050
02:04:37,480 --> 02:04:42,040
Speaker 1: much guaranteed losses. And then you got Utah U c

2051
02:04:42,240 --> 02:04:46,880
Speaker 1: l A, Arizona State because I mean, because obviously that's

2052
02:04:46,880 --> 02:04:50,240
Speaker 1: a right rivalry. Game in Colorado or in Oregon State

2053
02:04:50,320 --> 02:04:54,280
Speaker 1: are all gonna be tough games too. They could they

2054
02:04:54,280 --> 02:04:59,120
Speaker 1: could go oh for nine dude, right, I know, that's

2055
02:04:59,120 --> 02:05:01,080
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. That's why we gave him this low grade.

2056
02:05:01,080 --> 02:05:05,880
Speaker 1: But like, I don't know, I don't want them to

2057
02:05:05,920 --> 02:05:08,280
Speaker 1: be if they win, I would agree with you, Ralph,

2058
02:05:08,320 --> 02:05:14,160
Speaker 1: if they win four games next year and three of

2059
02:05:14,240 --> 02:05:18,400
Speaker 1: the actually, if they win four games next year and

2060
02:05:18,520 --> 02:05:21,000
Speaker 1: three of them didn't come from the non conferences, then

2061
02:05:21,040 --> 02:05:26,560
Speaker 1: they would have had a good season. Yeah wow, because

2062
02:05:26,600 --> 02:05:33,080
Speaker 1: they could go over impact twelve games. Good grief. Um, yeah, guys,

2063
02:05:33,240 --> 02:05:35,480
Speaker 1: So that is the outlook in the state of every

2064
02:05:35,480 --> 02:05:38,560
Speaker 1: Pack twelve team. You guys can send us your grades,

2065
02:05:38,720 --> 02:05:44,360
Speaker 1: your rankings. Uh too. I'm mad at Unafraid show dot com.

2066
02:05:44,440 --> 02:05:46,880
Speaker 1: You can hit us on Twitter at Ralph Ampston, at

2067
02:05:46,920 --> 02:05:49,320
Speaker 1: George Rice Stir. Thank you guys for listening to the

2068
02:05:49,320 --> 02:05:52,800
Speaker 1: Pack twelve Apostles. Peace out, Catch you guys later