1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:06,240 Speaker 1: And now Move the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,600 Speaker 2: What's up? Everybody walking to move the stick? DJ, Bucky 3 00:00:09,680 --> 00:00:12,080 Speaker 2: and we are joined by our good buddy Bruce Feldman, 4 00:00:12,280 --> 00:00:14,040 Speaker 2: Fox Sports. Bruce, how are you doing, Bud? 5 00:00:14,360 --> 00:00:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm doing great. Good to be out with you, guys. 6 00:00:16,200 --> 00:00:18,040 Speaker 2: I appreciate you having We're stealing you for the whole 7 00:00:18,040 --> 00:00:19,800 Speaker 2: episode today. So I don't know if they informed you that, 8 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 2: but this is what you've signed one a lot then 9 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:25,160 Speaker 2: all right, First off, I want to talk to you 10 00:00:25,200 --> 00:00:28,000 Speaker 2: about this because it's been the biggest story in college football. 11 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 2: I wanted to get your take on it. Then I thought, 12 00:00:30,240 --> 00:00:32,080 Speaker 2: Bucky and I have not talked about this yet, and 13 00:00:32,080 --> 00:00:34,560 Speaker 2: I thought with our background on the scouting side of things, 14 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:37,400 Speaker 2: it would maybe be a different perspective. But with all 15 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:39,800 Speaker 2: the stuff that's going on with Michigan and you know 16 00:00:39,880 --> 00:00:43,320 Speaker 2: this dude Stallions is that his name, who's been traveling 17 00:00:43,360 --> 00:00:46,639 Speaker 2: around and whether or not it's coordinated uncoordinated, has been 18 00:00:46,720 --> 00:00:49,520 Speaker 2: using his iPhone to try and get signs and signals. 19 00:00:49,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 2: But what is your take on the story and how 20 00:00:53,000 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 2: how impactful or how big is this story in your opinion? 21 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:00,320 Speaker 1: Bruce, it's It is the kind of blowing up college 22 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:03,200 Speaker 1: football because, as you guys well know, signal stealing in 23 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:09,120 Speaker 1: game goes on everywhere, and this was something Connor Stelling, 24 00:01:09,200 --> 00:01:11,679 Speaker 1: who by the way, was like, was it camp Pendleton. 25 00:01:11,760 --> 00:01:13,600 Speaker 1: You know, he's a Naval Academy grad who was in 26 00:01:13,640 --> 00:01:18,000 Speaker 1: the Marine Corps after that, and you know he prided 27 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 1: himself in being able to decode a post opponent's signals 28 00:01:23,160 --> 00:01:25,520 Speaker 1: and he was on the sideline as one of Michigan's analysts. 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:29,240 Speaker 1: But this is obviously the advanced scouting element in college football. 30 00:01:29,600 --> 00:01:34,000 Speaker 1: To actually go to games and to film other teams 31 00:01:34,120 --> 00:01:37,480 Speaker 1: or take you know, pictures or anything else to do 32 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 1: that is crossing a big line in everybody in college 33 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:45,520 Speaker 1: football's minds, and it's and the fact is, initially, as 34 00:01:45,560 --> 00:01:48,760 Speaker 1: this was starting to come out, you're like, Okay, some 35 00:01:48,840 --> 00:01:52,880 Speaker 1: of the details were kind of hard to believe that 36 00:01:53,040 --> 00:01:55,360 Speaker 1: he would be so reckless in how he was doing 37 00:01:55,440 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: in terms of like the buying the Dubhub your name 38 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: paper trail here. I think people looked at it and go, 39 00:02:01,720 --> 00:02:04,080 Speaker 1: wait a minute. You have somebody who you know, was 40 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,480 Speaker 1: a graduate of the Naval Academy, somebody who should be 41 00:02:06,560 --> 00:02:08,200 Speaker 1: very intelligent to get through this, and yet there was 42 00:02:08,240 --> 00:02:12,200 Speaker 1: a lot of naive and clumsy stuff about it. But 43 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:14,760 Speaker 1: as some of the details that can come out, especially 44 00:02:14,880 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: some of the stuff that came out on Wednesday in 45 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:21,919 Speaker 1: the Washington Post story, we're much more detailed and much 46 00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: more damning, honestly, I think for the University of Michigan program. 47 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,640 Speaker 1: And what's going to be really fascinating here is the 48 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: NCAA moves notoriously very slow on its investigations. We are 49 00:02:33,919 --> 00:02:38,040 Speaker 1: almost in November now, Michigan is steamrolling its way towards 50 00:02:38,040 --> 00:02:41,560 Speaker 1: the playoff and perhaps Jim Harba making a national title run. 51 00:02:41,880 --> 00:02:44,440 Speaker 1: They still have Ohio State and Penn State left under schedule. 52 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: Obviously both of those teams will be as scrubbed as 53 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,320 Speaker 1: possible about you know, whether it's ristbands or whatever they're 54 00:02:50,320 --> 00:02:51,679 Speaker 1: going to do to make sure they're not going to 55 00:02:51,960 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: get got. But I don't know how whether the Big 56 00:02:56,520 --> 00:02:58,240 Speaker 1: Ten steps in in the middle of this because they 57 00:02:58,240 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: have the authority to do it, whether the nca can 58 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:02,840 Speaker 1: be fast enough. The burden of proof, the benefit of 59 00:03:02,840 --> 00:03:05,720 Speaker 1: the doubt are not in Jim Harbaugh's favor right now. 60 00:03:06,840 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 2: What do you think, Buck, We haven't heard your take 61 00:03:08,360 --> 00:03:09,920 Speaker 2: on this either, I don't know what you think. 62 00:03:10,360 --> 00:03:14,160 Speaker 3: Okay, So one I'm trying to figure out, like, like 63 00:03:14,760 --> 00:03:17,680 Speaker 3: are there hard and fast rules about like vance scouting 64 00:03:18,000 --> 00:03:20,080 Speaker 3: and those things? Bruce and Kyle is like where you 65 00:03:20,120 --> 00:03:22,880 Speaker 3: can't go and you can't use like elect trying to 66 00:03:22,880 --> 00:03:24,560 Speaker 3: contechnic those book. 67 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:27,600 Speaker 1: Yes, you cannot bey on staff to do that. Now, 68 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 1: back in the day, you look, and some of this 69 00:03:29,639 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 1: was before technology was what it was, you know, thirty 70 00:03:32,919 --> 00:03:35,720 Speaker 1: years ago, and from everything I understand, this was a 71 00:03:35,720 --> 00:03:38,360 Speaker 1: cost cutting measure that was put on the books. A 72 00:03:38,360 --> 00:03:41,920 Speaker 1: lot of the places couldn't do it right. And so 73 00:03:42,080 --> 00:03:43,960 Speaker 1: the other element of this, as you guys will know, 74 00:03:44,200 --> 00:03:47,280 Speaker 1: is in the NFL you have the technology where the 75 00:03:47,360 --> 00:03:51,960 Speaker 1: quarterback and linebacker are able to communicate and that gets 76 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,440 Speaker 1: rid of a lot of this stuff. So college football 77 00:03:55,520 --> 00:03:58,000 Speaker 1: for all sorts of reasons, depending on who you talk to, 78 00:03:58,120 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: Some will say, well, it's a manufacturer helmet lot, you 79 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:03,840 Speaker 1: know issue that that rends it. Other people I've talked 80 00:04:03,880 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: to this week have said, you know what, there's a 81 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:10,920 Speaker 1: bunch of people who would feel very, very challenged if 82 00:04:10,920 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: they did not have the opportunity to get an advantage 83 00:04:13,120 --> 00:04:16,400 Speaker 1: by using using their ability to steal signals and that's 84 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:19,960 Speaker 1: why they feel like there's some pushback on getting that done. 85 00:04:20,560 --> 00:04:24,039 Speaker 3: So it okay, okay, because because I was always under 86 00:04:24,040 --> 00:04:28,240 Speaker 3: the impression like, look, everyone went to the placards and 87 00:04:28,240 --> 00:04:31,480 Speaker 3: and and and the signals because it was kind of 88 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,720 Speaker 3: known that people look at whatever. When I look at 89 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,480 Speaker 3: j Norvill Cole the game, I see guys standing around 90 00:04:37,480 --> 00:04:40,560 Speaker 3: with the the thing so you can't see. So in 91 00:04:40,560 --> 00:04:42,280 Speaker 3: my estimation, I was like, well, wait a minute, don't 92 00:04:42,320 --> 00:04:45,679 Speaker 3: we have all these measures in to kind of protect 93 00:04:45,680 --> 00:04:49,080 Speaker 3: that sales from being skunk and so I don't know, 94 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:52,479 Speaker 3: I kind of feel like it's a little overblown in 95 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:56,040 Speaker 3: terms of that because I felt like I don't know, like, okay, 96 00:04:56,080 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 3: if I steal the signs, like how quickly can I 97 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:01,120 Speaker 3: communicate that stuff to the players? How how can they 98 00:05:01,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 3: get that in? Don't most teams change your signals and 99 00:05:05,320 --> 00:05:07,640 Speaker 3: all that other stuff like who has the same signals 100 00:05:07,640 --> 00:05:09,760 Speaker 3: for the entire time they're they're there? 101 00:05:09,880 --> 00:05:10,760 Speaker 2: So I don't know. 102 00:05:10,800 --> 00:05:14,120 Speaker 3: I kind of feel like, yeah, Michigan like told the 103 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:16,560 Speaker 3: line and maybe stepped over the line, But I kind 104 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:19,040 Speaker 3: of feel like opponents should always kind of self scout 105 00:05:19,080 --> 00:05:21,440 Speaker 3: and protect themselves when it comes to like what they're 106 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:22,800 Speaker 3: signaling and what they're bringing in. 107 00:05:23,279 --> 00:05:26,160 Speaker 1: You know, last year I did this story before the 108 00:05:26,200 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: Ohio State Michigan game, talked to a bunch of coaches about, okay, 109 00:05:29,880 --> 00:05:32,120 Speaker 1: give me the scouty report on these teams. And one 110 00:05:32,120 --> 00:05:33,760 Speaker 1: of the coaches I talked to the Big Ten as 111 00:05:33,800 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: a running back coach, he was like, Michigan is really 112 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:38,839 Speaker 1: good at signals, stealing signals. They got our stuff early, 113 00:05:38,880 --> 00:05:41,760 Speaker 1: they got both sides of the ball. And you know, 114 00:05:41,880 --> 00:05:43,880 Speaker 1: I didn't really think that much of at the time, 115 00:05:44,160 --> 00:05:45,560 Speaker 1: you know, because you hear that about a lot of 116 00:05:45,640 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 1: you know, the Clemson Tigers old defense coordinator who's not 117 00:05:49,040 --> 00:05:52,240 Speaker 1: there anymore, is like, yeah, Eric for his ability to 118 00:05:53,000 --> 00:05:56,280 Speaker 1: crack the code. Yeah, and there's a handful of guys 119 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:00,560 Speaker 1: that that that are well known for their acumen and 120 00:06:00,920 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 1: uncanny ability forgetting that. But a couple of things on 121 00:06:04,760 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 1: this so, like one of the coaches who played Michigan 122 00:06:08,120 --> 00:06:13,360 Speaker 1: within the last year knew that there was some things 123 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,279 Speaker 1: to be aware of, and his mind was like, you know, 124 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 1: we're gonna throw some dummy stuff at them and see 125 00:06:18,400 --> 00:06:22,000 Speaker 1: because if you're wrong. The first couple of plays, the 126 00:06:22,000 --> 00:06:25,039 Speaker 1: defensive quarter is going to go, hey, I don't know anymore. 127 00:06:25,200 --> 00:06:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, if you get. 128 00:06:26,960 --> 00:06:30,120 Speaker 1: Burned, you know it's on you. And so I think 129 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:33,560 Speaker 1: there was that piece of it. There's also, you know, 130 00:06:33,600 --> 00:06:35,880 Speaker 1: one of the workarounds. As an old sideline reporter, I 131 00:06:35,920 --> 00:06:39,720 Speaker 1: remember being at an Oklahoma game where they had like, 132 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:45,279 Speaker 1: like look, a clear glad bag sized bag and the 133 00:06:45,560 --> 00:06:47,719 Speaker 1: one of the defensive assistants would go around and all 134 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:50,799 Speaker 1: the defensive players or at least the secondary guys would 135 00:06:50,800 --> 00:06:53,040 Speaker 1: throw their wristbands in that in. 136 00:06:53,120 --> 00:06:55,680 Speaker 2: Like you can do that every quarter. There's teams that 137 00:06:55,720 --> 00:06:59,000 Speaker 2: do that every quarter. That's well, I'll get go ahead, yeah, 138 00:06:59,560 --> 00:07:00,839 Speaker 2: because DJ knows this. 139 00:07:00,880 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 3: So okay, the Indianapolis Coats were legendary for their ability 140 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 3: to steal side and so I know this because DT 141 00:07:07,200 --> 00:07:09,960 Speaker 3: Dennis Darman and DJ we both know him. He would 142 00:07:10,000 --> 00:07:12,080 Speaker 3: talk about when they would play the Colts, at the 143 00:07:12,160 --> 00:07:15,119 Speaker 3: end of every quarter, they would switch the wristband. Yeah, 144 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 3: because they did not want them to get the things. 145 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: So to me, I'm like, isn't this common knowledge that 146 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:22,760 Speaker 3: there's certain things that you have to do to protect 147 00:07:23,160 --> 00:07:25,720 Speaker 3: your signal. So as much as I would want to 148 00:07:26,200 --> 00:07:29,320 Speaker 3: bang on Michigan, I'm like other people also have to know, 149 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:32,760 Speaker 3: like this is part of everyone. Everyone is always looking 150 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 3: for a competitive advantage when it comes to being able 151 00:07:34,680 --> 00:07:35,440 Speaker 3: to call the signs. 152 00:07:35,880 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 2: Think about this, like I like you, I've seen it 153 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:43,160 Speaker 2: where you have, as you mentioned, different risk bands every quarter. Then, 154 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:45,960 Speaker 2: so everything is a number that you're reading off of 155 00:07:46,000 --> 00:07:49,480 Speaker 2: the wristband, right, So your defensive coordinator, you have the 156 00:07:49,520 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: headset on when you you could have three different players 157 00:07:52,240 --> 00:07:55,320 Speaker 2: or three different grad assistants or assistant coaches on the sideline, 158 00:07:55,360 --> 00:07:57,680 Speaker 2: three different ones, and what you say is all right 159 00:07:57,680 --> 00:08:00,800 Speaker 2: for this be going into every series. Jay, you know, 160 00:08:00,920 --> 00:08:03,520 Speaker 2: red shirt is is our is our signal, red shirt 161 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:06,920 Speaker 2: is our signal. So I've got three guys giving signals. 162 00:08:07,400 --> 00:08:09,960 Speaker 2: The players know which one is hot, which one is 163 00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 2: the one we're using, and those are going to correlate 164 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:14,560 Speaker 2: with our wristband which we're changing every quarter. If this 165 00:08:14,640 --> 00:08:17,480 Speaker 2: dude can freaking decode that, then tip your cap to 166 00:08:17,560 --> 00:08:19,280 Speaker 2: him that he can that he can figure that out. 167 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 2: But like, there's there's measures you can take to really 168 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:25,480 Speaker 2: minimize this. I think it's ridiculous that they just don't 169 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:27,520 Speaker 2: put it in the helmet like that. That eliminated a 170 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 2: lot of this stuff. I remember when, you know, being 171 00:08:29,800 --> 00:08:31,920 Speaker 2: in with teams, when we were doing advanced scouting reports 172 00:08:32,240 --> 00:08:35,320 Speaker 2: where we were you know, you obviously go to the game. 173 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 2: You have to get their personnel groupings. They're not hiding that, 174 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,040 Speaker 2: but be able to match personnel. So when their defensive 175 00:08:41,040 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: coordinator or when their offensive coordinator is holding up, you know, 176 00:08:43,760 --> 00:08:46,400 Speaker 2: this is like they're eleven personnel. Thing that I know. Okay, 177 00:08:46,400 --> 00:08:48,360 Speaker 2: we got to get Nickel, like this is what they're 178 00:08:48,400 --> 00:08:51,640 Speaker 2: in the eleven personnel. Everybody does that. There's nothing you know, 179 00:08:51,640 --> 00:08:54,000 Speaker 2: nobody has to hide that just so you can match personnel. 180 00:08:54,120 --> 00:08:56,240 Speaker 2: But then we'd also go back and listen. They'd listen 181 00:08:56,280 --> 00:08:58,880 Speaker 2: to the TV copy to get signals, to get to 182 00:08:58,920 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 2: get audibles and see if you could pull anything out 183 00:09:00,880 --> 00:09:04,080 Speaker 2: of that that's been going on in forever like that. 184 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 2: It's on you to figure that stuff out. So I 185 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:07,839 Speaker 2: don't feel like I don't want to give Michigan a 186 00:09:07,880 --> 00:09:11,120 Speaker 2: free pass. Unethical. Yes, yeah, it's all that stuff, but like, 187 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:13,520 Speaker 2: come on, you got to protect your stuff here, man. 188 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:15,480 Speaker 3: But not only that, Like like Bruce and did it, 189 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:17,600 Speaker 3: why did all of a sudden, all the play call 190 00:09:17,640 --> 00:09:20,480 Speaker 3: is start doing this because they knew people were looking 191 00:09:20,520 --> 00:09:23,360 Speaker 3: at the signals putting putting the thing over them. So 192 00:09:23,520 --> 00:09:25,800 Speaker 3: that's why I'm like, wait a minute, where everyone's upset, 193 00:09:25,880 --> 00:09:28,720 Speaker 3: like we're up at arms about all this, Like I 194 00:09:28,760 --> 00:09:30,400 Speaker 3: swear like in the pros, we've been seeing it. We've 195 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:32,199 Speaker 3: seen it even in college where some of this stuff 196 00:09:32,240 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 3: is filtered in. I just don't understand, like how it's 197 00:09:35,400 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: become this thing. You know, yes, we could talk about 198 00:09:39,559 --> 00:09:40,880 Speaker 3: the ethical part of it, but. 199 00:09:43,280 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: Why, you know, Bucky to your last point, why it's 200 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,280 Speaker 1: become this thing. It's it's I think there's like maybe 201 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:51,600 Speaker 1: three things that I've escalated this one. It is Jim 202 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:56,160 Speaker 1: Harbaugh and Michigan. Like, if this happened at Mississippi State, 203 00:09:56,440 --> 00:10:00,760 Speaker 1: or if this happened at to Leave at a nobody 204 00:10:00,800 --> 00:10:03,240 Speaker 1: would like some people would care about it wouldn't get traction. 205 00:10:03,360 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: But it's Jim Harball and it's a big brand school. 206 00:10:06,360 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 1: And by the way, they're closing in on like a 207 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:12,079 Speaker 1: thousand wins wins, and you know, some of these wins 208 00:10:12,080 --> 00:10:15,520 Speaker 1: get vacated, right. And also, for the longest time, it 209 00:10:15,600 --> 00:10:18,680 Speaker 1: seemed like they could not get over the Ohio State home. Well, 210 00:10:18,720 --> 00:10:20,960 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden the last two years. Coincidentally, 211 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: they've come over with a flourish and they've dominated that conference. 212 00:10:24,920 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: So there's that. Also, there's an element of intrigue where 213 00:10:28,720 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: who is Connor Stallion's right, He's like, there's a little 214 00:10:32,679 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: and this is not This part is not uncommon to 215 00:10:35,520 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: me to some stuff we see in the in real 216 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:44,679 Speaker 1: world news where you have somebody who is incredibly driven 217 00:10:44,840 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: to get to a point in his career where it's 218 00:10:48,480 --> 00:10:53,080 Speaker 1: like incredibly focused or incredibly incredibly focused and. 219 00:10:53,160 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 2: Or like almost ambitious with it, yeahs to yes, exactly, 220 00:11:00,200 --> 00:11:02,000 Speaker 2: And so you get some people like that. 221 00:11:04,040 --> 00:11:06,360 Speaker 1: There's some you know, the behavior starts could get a 222 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 1: little odd, right, and so I think people are fascinated 223 00:11:09,520 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: by that, you know, like how could somebody do this? Why? 224 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:13,880 Speaker 1: You know, like how does this? And how could they 225 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,320 Speaker 1: be so sloppy at doing this? You know? And I 226 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 1: think there's another side of this is also because Harbo 227 00:11:20,960 --> 00:11:24,560 Speaker 1: is so polarizing. The truth is like, you know, I'm 228 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: working on a story now that I'm talking to dozens 229 00:11:28,080 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: of coaches for this is not like there's a lot 230 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 1: of holy cow components to this story, but there's also 231 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:42,000 Speaker 1: some other elements, like you know, what this isn't like 232 00:11:42,280 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: a complete one off. Now to the degree at Michigan 233 00:11:46,440 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 1: and or Stallions did it, that seems like it was 234 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:53,720 Speaker 1: going to such a further length. But the element of 235 00:11:53,760 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 1: somebody doing some in person scouting, you know, and band 236 00:11:57,280 --> 00:12:00,680 Speaker 1: scouting that I've heard now and it's just like, whoa 237 00:12:00,920 --> 00:12:03,200 Speaker 1: this is this. I don't want to say it's a 238 00:12:03,200 --> 00:12:05,240 Speaker 1: tip of the iceberg, but there's a lot of stuff 239 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:06,040 Speaker 1: going on right now. 240 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:08,480 Speaker 2: It feels like a little bit Bruce, you talked about 241 00:12:08,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: trying to prove yourself. It feels like if you were 242 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:15,240 Speaker 2: had a political campaign and somebody goes to a candidate 243 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:17,920 Speaker 2: and says, look, I'm gonna spend the next six months 244 00:12:17,920 --> 00:12:21,280 Speaker 2: digging up dirt on your opponent, and I'm gonna do it, 245 00:12:21,280 --> 00:12:23,560 Speaker 2: and sometimes maybe even does it, maybe just presents them 246 00:12:23,600 --> 00:12:25,400 Speaker 2: with it and says, hey, look at what I've been 247 00:12:25,440 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 2: able to figure out. Da da da dah. Here's all 248 00:12:27,200 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: this information. You can use it for your to help 249 00:12:29,320 --> 00:12:32,280 Speaker 2: your cause here or whatever. I don't say, obviously this 250 00:12:32,280 --> 00:12:34,920 Speaker 2: guy's on a sideline, so obviously he's affiliated and being 251 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:39,199 Speaker 2: paid by them. But I'm curious, when all this gets uncovered, 252 00:12:39,440 --> 00:12:42,319 Speaker 2: how much was directed and how much was this dude 253 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:45,800 Speaker 2: just just saying I'm gonna go provide some worth for myself. 254 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:47,960 Speaker 2: And I'm ambitious and i want to move up, and 255 00:12:47,960 --> 00:12:50,440 Speaker 2: I'm gonna provide such a value, you know, above and 256 00:12:50,480 --> 00:12:52,959 Speaker 2: beyond anything that was asked of me, that that I'll 257 00:12:53,000 --> 00:12:55,120 Speaker 2: help me navigate where I want to go in my career. 258 00:12:55,200 --> 00:12:56,600 Speaker 2: I just know one thing, man, Like, I know how 259 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: hard it is to get in the Naval Academy, and 260 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: I know what those people make when they get out 261 00:13:00,440 --> 00:13:02,439 Speaker 2: of the Naval Academy and go into the business world, 262 00:13:02,440 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: and they're highly sought after above every IVY League school 263 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:07,680 Speaker 2: people will hire people from the Naval Academy. This is 264 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,760 Speaker 2: a bizarre choice of a career that this dude is 265 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:11,440 Speaker 2: chosen here. 266 00:13:11,520 --> 00:13:13,520 Speaker 1: But this guy grew up you know, it's I think 267 00:13:13,520 --> 00:13:16,080 Speaker 1: he's you know, both parents were Michigan grads from there. 268 00:13:16,400 --> 00:13:18,840 Speaker 1: I you know, clearly from the people I've talked to, 269 00:13:19,080 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: is obsessed with Michigan football and wanting to be a 270 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: coach and wanted to help in any way he can. 271 00:13:25,160 --> 00:13:27,720 Speaker 1: And I think you know, the like from the part 272 00:13:27,800 --> 00:13:30,400 Speaker 1: that you just kind of talked about a minute ago, Eja, 273 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:34,640 Speaker 1: where if you you know, like every team has somebody 274 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: trying and it's more than just one guy. Usually he's 275 00:13:36,679 --> 00:13:39,920 Speaker 1: trying to decode stuff. But if you set out a profile, 276 00:13:40,000 --> 00:13:42,839 Speaker 1: and because I talked to somebody who knows stallions pretty 277 00:13:42,880 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: well in the last week and he said, you know, 278 00:13:45,840 --> 00:13:48,160 Speaker 1: he was really really good at He's better like I 279 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:49,720 Speaker 1: used to try to do it, and he's way better 280 00:13:49,760 --> 00:13:52,280 Speaker 1: than I was. And if you were to kind of 281 00:13:52,320 --> 00:13:55,040 Speaker 1: create a profile of somebody who would think, well, I 282 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: could see why that guy would be probably really good 283 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:01,040 Speaker 1: at decoding stuff. His background naval academy, you know, like 284 00:14:01,400 --> 00:14:04,839 Speaker 1: it makes a lot more sense than somebody who I 285 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,559 Speaker 1: don't want to say it was just like a defensive 286 00:14:07,679 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: end or a tight end or a guard. You know, 287 00:14:10,720 --> 00:14:13,880 Speaker 1: like because of that, I think there's a little bit 288 00:14:13,920 --> 00:14:16,480 Speaker 1: of like it's not espionage ish, but you know, like 289 00:14:16,760 --> 00:14:18,920 Speaker 1: there's just some components of it that kind of add 290 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,880 Speaker 1: to how somebody's mind works and problem solving and the 291 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,360 Speaker 1: things that are the attention to detail is probably a 292 00:14:25,400 --> 00:14:28,440 Speaker 1: little different. So you could see why that could kind 293 00:14:28,440 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: of line up. 294 00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,600 Speaker 3: It's such a such a fascinating story, Like it's so 295 00:14:33,680 --> 00:14:36,080 Speaker 3: crazy that it's taken over because what I would love 296 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,480 Speaker 3: to talk to you about. Is like, Man, Michigan is 297 00:14:38,520 --> 00:14:41,360 Speaker 3: steamrolling over top of these teams, and I'm looking at 298 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:44,480 Speaker 3: the common denominator between like I'm looking at Georgia, I'm 299 00:14:44,520 --> 00:14:46,560 Speaker 3: looking at Michigan. I'm looking at the teams at the top. 300 00:14:46,880 --> 00:14:49,280 Speaker 3: There's a level of physicality and toughness that all these 301 00:14:49,280 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 3: teams employ. Do you feel like college football is kind 302 00:14:52,440 --> 00:14:55,400 Speaker 3: of going back, turning back the clock and going a 303 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:58,200 Speaker 3: little more old school in terms of style of play, 304 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:01,280 Speaker 3: ruggness being the essential qualities for your team to be 305 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:02,360 Speaker 3: at a championship level. 306 00:15:02,680 --> 00:15:05,680 Speaker 1: It seems like it, because you know, I don't want 307 00:15:05,680 --> 00:15:08,080 Speaker 1: to I feel like I'm probably jumping ahead here, but like, 308 00:15:08,360 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: what's the program that that's downward spiral right now seems 309 00:15:11,360 --> 00:15:15,360 Speaker 1: to be getting all the attention. It's usc usc It's like, 310 00:15:15,680 --> 00:15:16,880 Speaker 1: you know, I don't know if you guys have seen 311 00:15:16,920 --> 00:15:18,840 Speaker 1: them in person yet, but I was, you know, being 312 00:15:18,880 --> 00:15:20,920 Speaker 1: at the Notre Dame game, Like, man, their offensive line 313 00:15:21,080 --> 00:15:22,960 Speaker 1: looks like and I feel bad saying this, but it 314 00:15:22,960 --> 00:15:24,840 Speaker 1: looks kind of like a Mountain West offensive line, not 315 00:15:24,960 --> 00:15:25,400 Speaker 1: like what you. 316 00:15:25,360 --> 00:15:26,200 Speaker 2: Do expect to part. 317 00:15:26,720 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: Yeah, And so you know, here's Michigan with like eight 318 00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:32,760 Speaker 1: or nine offensive linemen who probably are you know, I 319 00:15:32,800 --> 00:15:37,400 Speaker 1: know NFL radars right now, the big deep defensive line 320 00:15:37,440 --> 00:15:39,680 Speaker 1: and some of those guys, you know, Kenneth Grant can't 321 00:15:39,680 --> 00:15:41,640 Speaker 1: be drafted for at least another year and a half. 322 00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:44,840 Speaker 1: But they have a lot of dudes that they've developed. 323 00:15:44,920 --> 00:15:47,720 Speaker 1: And you know, saying this, I don't want to like 324 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:51,760 Speaker 1: completely dismiss what we just talked about about the issues 325 00:15:51,800 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 1: that come with the at van scouting signal stealing. They 326 00:15:55,800 --> 00:15:58,800 Speaker 1: have done a really good job of developing physical football players. 327 00:15:58,960 --> 00:16:01,960 Speaker 1: Now that's Herbert at this. You know JJ Watts, old 328 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,760 Speaker 1: string coach from Wisconsin, and you know that he's an 329 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:08,280 Speaker 1: Arkansas Like I think that part is a real thing, 330 00:16:08,400 --> 00:16:11,080 Speaker 1: Like there is you know, I talked to one coach 331 00:16:11,080 --> 00:16:14,200 Speaker 1: who played them this year of Big ten school and 332 00:16:14,240 --> 00:16:16,400 Speaker 1: he goes, you know, we didn't see anything looking back 333 00:16:16,400 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: that was like out of the ordinary. They just kicked 334 00:16:18,560 --> 00:16:21,240 Speaker 1: our ass. They were just like physical, and you know 335 00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:23,440 Speaker 1: it was like, you know, he didn't say this, but 336 00:16:23,480 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: you got the impression was like we could have had 337 00:16:24,960 --> 00:16:27,800 Speaker 1: all their stuff, they still wouldn't have helped us, you know, enough. 338 00:16:28,480 --> 00:16:30,560 Speaker 2: No, And I think that's you know, look at the 339 00:16:30,760 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 2: in the Ohio State game. They ran the ball down 340 00:16:33,680 --> 00:16:35,720 Speaker 2: their throats, Like, I don't think there's any sign that's 341 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: helping you do that. And again, I want to minimize 342 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:39,400 Speaker 2: everything that went on with that. That's it's a it's 343 00:16:39,440 --> 00:16:41,560 Speaker 2: a mess, and it'll it'll probably be an ugly and 344 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,080 Speaker 2: it'll be a stain and all that kind of stuff, 345 00:16:43,080 --> 00:16:46,040 Speaker 2: But I honestly don't think it impacted anybody. Did you 346 00:16:46,040 --> 00:16:47,560 Speaker 2: get that text I sent you, by the way, Bruce, 347 00:16:47,600 --> 00:16:49,600 Speaker 2: that's the funniest tweet I've seen it in a long time. 348 00:16:49,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 2: Did you see that? 349 00:16:50,640 --> 00:16:51,480 Speaker 1: Yes? I did see it. 350 00:16:51,480 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 2: This Oh my gosh. If you haven't seen it, it's 351 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:56,680 Speaker 2: a it's a picture and it says this was This 352 00:16:56,840 --> 00:16:59,360 Speaker 2: was Stallion's seat for when he was scouting TCU and 353 00:16:59,360 --> 00:17:01,280 Speaker 2: if you remember, they give up bazillion points lost the 354 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:03,240 Speaker 2: TCU and the and the Semis and he's in an 355 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,520 Speaker 2: obstructed view with a big poll right in front of 356 00:17:05,560 --> 00:17:08,680 Speaker 2: his seat. Oh that was. It was very well done. 357 00:17:09,720 --> 00:17:12,200 Speaker 1: So or people are on the internet, okay. 358 00:17:11,960 --> 00:17:15,200 Speaker 2: Everybody, but everybody had fun with that. All right, let's 359 00:17:15,440 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: let's uh, let's take a quick break. Then we're going 360 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 2: to transition to some other topics. All right. We talked 361 00:17:23,720 --> 00:17:26,920 Speaker 2: a lot about the Michigan Wolverine some of these other schools. Uh, Bruce, 362 00:17:26,960 --> 00:17:29,480 Speaker 2: if I was going to tell you right now, if 363 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: I said not, I'm not necessarily saying these three teams 364 00:17:32,440 --> 00:17:36,680 Speaker 2: will make the playoffs. But these are three teams outside 365 00:17:36,680 --> 00:17:40,239 Speaker 2: of Michigan you believe can win a national championship. Right now, 366 00:17:40,240 --> 00:17:42,000 Speaker 2: if I gave you three picks, who would you take? 367 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:45,760 Speaker 1: Well, one's an easy one. That's Georgia, right. Yeah. I 368 00:17:45,760 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 1: assume Rock Bowers will be back this year. He is 369 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,680 Speaker 1: an absolute difference maker. Defense has not been as good 370 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:54,199 Speaker 1: as good great as I was expecting, but you know, 371 00:17:54,240 --> 00:17:56,679 Speaker 1: we'll see. You know, I'm curious how much if they 372 00:17:56,680 --> 00:17:59,119 Speaker 1: missed that's embedded and crunch time. But I definitely know 373 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,760 Speaker 1: they're a no brainer for me there. Yep. We've had 374 00:18:02,840 --> 00:18:06,600 Speaker 1: Ohio State twice. I don't know how much confidence I 375 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:09,720 Speaker 1: have in them. Their defenses is better. I hate to 376 00:18:09,760 --> 00:18:11,600 Speaker 1: say it like this, but part of it was like 377 00:18:11,680 --> 00:18:16,679 Speaker 1: man like Penn State's offense, like they made everything looked 378 00:18:16,760 --> 00:18:20,600 Speaker 1: hard for Drew Aller. You know, there's a lot of 379 00:18:20,600 --> 00:18:22,840 Speaker 1: good pieces there. For whatever reason it does, it was 380 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:27,080 Speaker 1: not coming together. But Ohio State has as not just 381 00:18:27,119 --> 00:18:30,080 Speaker 1: one difference maker because they didn't have a BUCA last week, 382 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:32,480 Speaker 1: and everything I've heard from being around them was like 383 00:18:32,480 --> 00:18:36,120 Speaker 1: Abuka really tried to go and then in warm ups 384 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:38,280 Speaker 1: and this is like a week out of coming back 385 00:18:38,280 --> 00:18:43,119 Speaker 1: from something and like he just had some gimpi steps 386 00:18:43,160 --> 00:18:44,679 Speaker 1: and it was like, hey, we can't play him. But 387 00:18:44,800 --> 00:18:46,960 Speaker 1: like he's a I don't know where you guys see 388 00:18:47,000 --> 00:18:49,399 Speaker 1: him as a top fifty pick or whatever. He's obviously 389 00:18:49,400 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: not Martin, but he's big time good point the tight 390 00:18:52,600 --> 00:18:56,440 Speaker 1: end who's really good player. I don't know if when 391 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,720 Speaker 1: they get you know, is when Trayvon Henderson feels like 392 00:18:58,720 --> 00:19:00,800 Speaker 1: he's one hundred percent ready to run because he gives 393 00:19:00,800 --> 00:19:03,320 Speaker 1: them something in the stretch game that they don't really have, 394 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:06,879 Speaker 1: like chip train him is explosive and everything. Again, I 395 00:19:06,920 --> 00:19:09,280 Speaker 1: think the defense is better than it's been for a 396 00:19:09,359 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: while for them, and it's probably good enough if like 397 00:19:13,000 --> 00:19:14,439 Speaker 1: if they still had CJ, I'd be like, yeah, it's 398 00:19:14,440 --> 00:19:16,520 Speaker 1: absolutely good enough for them to win a national title, 399 00:19:16,960 --> 00:19:20,679 Speaker 1: you know, so I give them a chance. You know, 400 00:19:20,800 --> 00:19:21,359 Speaker 1: like in their. 401 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:23,119 Speaker 2: Io, you would say, right now if I told you 402 00:19:23,160 --> 00:19:25,600 Speaker 2: that they played Washington on a neutral field, you'd take 403 00:19:25,600 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 2: Ohio State. 404 00:19:27,320 --> 00:19:29,080 Speaker 1: Do I have? Yeah, a Buka's from there? Do I 405 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: do I get a Buka healthy on that. I'll give 406 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:34,760 Speaker 1: you everybody. I'll give you everybody full rosters. Yeah, I would. 407 00:19:34,800 --> 00:19:38,080 Speaker 1: I would pick Ohio State. There's something like I really 408 00:19:38,160 --> 00:19:40,320 Speaker 1: like Michael Pennick Junior, and I think Callen Debori has 409 00:19:40,320 --> 00:19:43,320 Speaker 1: done an awesome job. I still feel a little bit 410 00:19:43,359 --> 00:19:45,800 Speaker 1: of like, uh, I don't know if I entirely trust 411 00:19:45,840 --> 00:19:46,919 Speaker 1: them now. 412 00:19:47,640 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 2: It's new, it's new. They's like you kid on the block, horrible. 413 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:53,960 Speaker 1: It's really good last year there, you know, the passing 414 00:19:54,000 --> 00:19:56,960 Speaker 1: game is explosive. They have a bunch of receivers too. 415 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:00,960 Speaker 1: You know, the Edge guys were really were really disruptive, 416 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:04,639 Speaker 1: especially you know, Trice Trace. But I don't know, I 417 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,800 Speaker 1: just not all the way in on them. Like, honestly, 418 00:20:08,840 --> 00:20:13,919 Speaker 1: it wouldn't shock me if if even USC beats them. 419 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 2: M I see I actually, I actually think that's that's 420 00:20:17,040 --> 00:20:20,560 Speaker 2: the most us the thing. Ever, they'll beat Washington, They'll 421 00:20:20,560 --> 00:20:23,320 Speaker 2: go to Oregon and get their teeth kicked in by 422 00:20:23,560 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 2: the dogs, Like that's kind of what will happen there. 423 00:20:26,760 --> 00:20:28,359 Speaker 2: But no, that that is interesting. I think that I 424 00:20:28,400 --> 00:20:32,080 Speaker 2: think that's the debate Florida State. Are they as good 425 00:20:32,080 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 2: as their record in your opinion with what you've seen, I. 426 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,639 Speaker 1: Kind of think they are, Like I don't. I'm not 427 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:40,840 Speaker 1: all the way in on on Jordan Travis. I think 428 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:42,480 Speaker 1: he's a good quarterback. I don't know if he's in 429 00:20:42,520 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 1: the group that were like, if you ask me, you know, 430 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 1: I would obviously rather have Drake May and Caleb and 431 00:20:48,520 --> 00:20:51,840 Speaker 1: I think i'd rather have JJ McCarthy too. I know 432 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:54,560 Speaker 1: they asked me different things, but he's got you know, 433 00:20:55,400 --> 00:21:00,399 Speaker 1: Johnny Wilson is a unique you know in Bells is 434 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:04,040 Speaker 1: a versatile piece. Kean Coleman is special. You know they 435 00:21:04,080 --> 00:21:08,480 Speaker 1: have those are three dudes they have versus arguably the 436 00:21:08,480 --> 00:21:12,600 Speaker 1: most disruptive, you know, edge guy in college football right now. 437 00:21:13,280 --> 00:21:15,360 Speaker 1: All those guys, by the way, all of them are transfers, 438 00:21:15,600 --> 00:21:17,879 Speaker 1: you know, so good on Mike Wrvell and his staff 439 00:21:17,880 --> 00:21:19,800 Speaker 1: are putting it together. Yeah, I think they are a 440 00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: playoff caliber team. I don't know if I wouldn't put 441 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:25,720 Speaker 1: them if they played Michigan, if they played Georgia, I 442 00:21:25,760 --> 00:21:30,800 Speaker 1: think they would lose. But to me, like right now, 443 00:21:30,880 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: we'll see yours. My guess we'll be back by the 444 00:21:33,000 --> 00:21:37,400 Speaker 1: Big Twelve title game, if not sooner, that's a tough one. 445 00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,000 Speaker 1: If you said, who do you think would win between 446 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: And obviously Texas hasn't beaten Oklahoma yet, but I think 447 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:45,720 Speaker 1: I do think they will know the rematch. So I 448 00:21:45,760 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 1: don't know. I'm sitting there looking at at Florida State 449 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:52,240 Speaker 1: and thinking, yeah, I think Florida State I would probably pick, 450 00:21:52,359 --> 00:21:57,359 Speaker 1: just because I just I just feel like, you know, 451 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: I don't know. It's there's not a ton of confidence 452 00:22:01,240 --> 00:22:03,560 Speaker 1: over them, you know, Whereas like you know, Texas has 453 00:22:03,720 --> 00:22:07,159 Speaker 1: big people on both lines. I guess I have a 454 00:22:07,200 --> 00:22:09,479 Speaker 1: little more confidence for god knows what reason in Florida 455 00:22:09,480 --> 00:22:11,560 Speaker 1: State than I do right now in Texas. 456 00:22:12,720 --> 00:22:14,240 Speaker 3: Bre's what do you think about the job that Nick 457 00:22:14,280 --> 00:22:15,800 Speaker 3: Saban is done with Alabama this year? 458 00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:18,320 Speaker 1: So it's quietly probably gotta be one of the better 459 00:22:18,320 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: coaching jobs he's done. If you if you watch that 460 00:22:20,240 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: game against against Texas, they got they got maulled right, 461 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 1: And I feel like he has some guys playing way 462 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:31,359 Speaker 1: before normally he would play him where there's Proctor who 463 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: was like had a shaky start. 464 00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:36,320 Speaker 2: Second, that's a kid from Iowa right tackle, Yeah, yeah. 465 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: And he had some bad moments, but he's super young, 466 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,680 Speaker 1: and the secondary was young and it was banged up, 467 00:22:42,760 --> 00:22:45,800 Speaker 1: and you know, Josh Dowin's brother, Caleb is coming. He's 468 00:22:45,840 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: a really good player. Obviously. The part that I think 469 00:22:49,840 --> 00:22:53,040 Speaker 1: the headline is for this program is they weren't Alabama 470 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,199 Speaker 1: last year and that was with Brice Young and the 471 00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,960 Speaker 1: best defensive player in the country, Will Anderson, and that 472 00:22:59,040 --> 00:23:01,320 Speaker 1: was where the first round running back, you know, and Gibbs, 473 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,199 Speaker 1: and you take all those guys off the team, and 474 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:05,720 Speaker 1: now all of a sudden, you're gonna be better. That 475 00:23:05,760 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 1: didn't make sense to me, right, and so plus you 476 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:11,879 Speaker 1: have new coordinators. I'm not sure, you know, have they 477 00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: upgraded the staff. I don't know. I'm not like, I 478 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: don't feel like it's a resounding yes at this point. 479 00:23:18,040 --> 00:23:20,560 Speaker 1: You know, Milroe, I think I think that kind of 480 00:23:20,600 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 1: worked out the way it probably needed to, because he 481 00:23:24,040 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: did some good things and some not so good things 482 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,960 Speaker 1: right against Texas, you know, and then they gave your 483 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:36,200 Speaker 1: San Diego guy another chance at your name, and it 484 00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:39,760 Speaker 1: it didn't go great and USF was a hard game 485 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 1: for them, and then they tied him back up and 486 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:44,600 Speaker 1: mil Row, I feel like has come on, he's definitely 487 00:23:44,680 --> 00:23:48,480 Speaker 1: got some you know, he's definitely got some good attributes. 488 00:23:48,520 --> 00:23:51,679 Speaker 1: But it's just like this to me, is not like, 489 00:23:51,720 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: if he gets them and they beat Georgia, this might 490 00:23:54,320 --> 00:23:56,960 Speaker 1: be his best coaching job since he's been there. I'm 491 00:23:57,000 --> 00:23:59,600 Speaker 1: not saying they will, but because I don't think the 492 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 1: SEC West is particularly good right now. You know, you know, 493 00:24:04,680 --> 00:24:06,919 Speaker 1: Jayden Daniels has been phenomenal, and the defense has been 494 00:24:06,920 --> 00:24:09,560 Speaker 1: a big disappointment. Texas A and M has been a 495 00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:14,439 Speaker 1: big dud. You know, Auburn is rebuilding, Arkansas's rebuilding. You know, 496 00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: it's just like I think Ole Missus is pretty good, 497 00:24:16,960 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 1: but not not you know, certainly not a playoff team, 498 00:24:19,840 --> 00:24:22,280 Speaker 1: and so here's Alabama hanging around. I mean, I do 499 00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:25,240 Speaker 1: think I wouldn't bet against Nick Saban. I don't think 500 00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:28,160 Speaker 1: they'll be Georgia. I'm not sure that they'll even get there. 501 00:24:28,200 --> 00:24:31,280 Speaker 1: But you know, credit to him because I think if 502 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: anybody else's coaching this team, they're probably eight and fourteen. 503 00:24:35,640 --> 00:24:40,600 Speaker 2: M Oh, that's interesting, man. If that all right, we 504 00:24:40,640 --> 00:24:42,200 Speaker 2: don't have too much time left. So I want to 505 00:24:42,240 --> 00:24:44,439 Speaker 2: hit you on a couple other things. Is there another 506 00:24:44,680 --> 00:24:47,760 Speaker 2: Is there another coaching job that we're not talking about, 507 00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,199 Speaker 2: that we should be talking about. Bucky just mentioned Saban 508 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,439 Speaker 2: the job he's done, obviously, big name there. I'm just 509 00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:55,440 Speaker 2: staring at the list of teams and where they're located, 510 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:58,840 Speaker 2: and I don't know that Jonathan Smith gets the the. 511 00:24:59,000 --> 00:24:59,520 Speaker 1: Just do that. 512 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:02,479 Speaker 2: He's just and I want to follow up on that 513 00:25:02,680 --> 00:25:06,119 Speaker 2: with him. With the Oregon State Washington State kind of 514 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:09,560 Speaker 2: being in limbo here, does that make someone like him, 515 00:25:09,560 --> 00:25:11,679 Speaker 2: who obviously is invested in that school. It means a 516 00:25:11,720 --> 00:25:14,119 Speaker 2: lot to him, But does that make him more likely 517 00:25:14,200 --> 00:25:16,439 Speaker 2: to take an opportunity I'm sure he'll be offered in 518 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:17,119 Speaker 2: the offseason. 519 00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:20,360 Speaker 1: My hunch is no. And I'm going to say that 520 00:25:20,440 --> 00:25:24,440 Speaker 1: because Jonathan Smith, by head coaching college football centers is 521 00:25:24,440 --> 00:25:27,080 Speaker 1: about as normal as you're going to get. You know, 522 00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:31,479 Speaker 1: his son is a baseball football kid, just you know, 523 00:25:31,720 --> 00:25:35,439 Speaker 1: and he's probably I think he's a sophomore, and he 524 00:25:35,440 --> 00:25:37,159 Speaker 1: gets to do a lot of cool stuff with his 525 00:25:37,320 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 1: son and kind of still program. I don't want to 526 00:25:40,880 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 1: say like a small college coach would do it, but 527 00:25:43,200 --> 00:25:46,879 Speaker 1: there's a normalcy component to it. If Jonathan Smith is 528 00:25:47,000 --> 00:25:50,920 Speaker 1: someplace else, I'm not sure I meant he would still 529 00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,280 Speaker 1: be the head coach, but I wonder how much he 530 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:55,560 Speaker 1: would be able to run it that way. You know, 531 00:25:56,720 --> 00:25:59,399 Speaker 1: I agree. I think he's done a terrific job. You know, 532 00:25:59,840 --> 00:26:04,439 Speaker 1: he he's got really good coaches, and I think he 533 00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:08,800 Speaker 1: gets guys believing in themselves and buying in you know, look, 534 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:13,960 Speaker 1: Djungalile has had a really nice second act. After a 535 00:26:14,000 --> 00:26:16,200 Speaker 1: lot of people pointing them finger at him for Clemson, 536 00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: he's left, He's moved on. Clemson is probably even worse 537 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:23,040 Speaker 1: than they were a year ago. And he said, you know, 538 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:24,760 Speaker 1: he's had some good moments. He had a couple of 539 00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,200 Speaker 1: really good games of late. You know, I'm not saying 540 00:26:27,280 --> 00:26:28,800 Speaker 1: he's going to be first pick of the draft some 541 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,199 Speaker 1: guy someday, but you know, I think he's still developing. 542 00:26:32,280 --> 00:26:35,000 Speaker 1: It's his first year on the system, you know. I mean, 543 00:26:35,320 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: so I think it's worth watching. He's done a real 544 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 1: good job. The other guy has done a really good job. 545 00:26:39,440 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: I feel like, you know, to Kalin Debora and Dan 546 00:26:42,760 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: Lenning and certainly Dion's credit, those guys earned the attention. 547 00:26:46,520 --> 00:26:50,680 Speaker 1: What Jed Fish has done at Arizona is pretty remarkable. 548 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:54,240 Speaker 1: Like after Kevin someone was there, that place was a mess. 549 00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:57,000 Speaker 1: They lost seventy to seven in their last game at 550 00:26:57,000 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 1: Arizona State. Jed comes in. They didn't, you know, people 551 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 1: around the program. I'm not talking to people inside Arizona, but 552 00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:07,199 Speaker 1: were like they wanted somebody else. They didn't feel like, oh, 553 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,720 Speaker 1: Jedfish has bounced around, why is he getting this job 554 00:27:09,840 --> 00:27:13,120 Speaker 1: or whatever? And almost everything he has done has proved 555 00:27:13,160 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: to be extremely shrewd, whether it's developed, you know, cultivating 556 00:27:15,760 --> 00:27:18,480 Speaker 1: relationships with Bronk and Teddy Bruski and all these guys 557 00:27:18,480 --> 00:27:22,119 Speaker 1: are and all the older Arizona people, the Dictomy people, 558 00:27:22,480 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: the way he's recruited, he's gotten really good alignment to 559 00:27:25,400 --> 00:27:27,439 Speaker 1: come in. He's found them. You know, you look what 560 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: he did right now. His backup quarterback, Noah Fafida, you know, 561 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:35,440 Speaker 1: you guys know him, I mean him right, you know, 562 00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 1: but he's a really good little quarterback. He's come in 563 00:27:38,400 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: for Jaden Delora when he got hurt, and he's playing 564 00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: probably even better. They lost Dorian Singer last year to USC. 565 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 1: They lost d Lyman, who you know, and they are 566 00:27:49,200 --> 00:27:51,639 Speaker 1: they've only seemed like they've gotten better. And if you 567 00:27:51,680 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: look at their losses, I mean, they gave Washington all 568 00:27:55,800 --> 00:27:59,400 Speaker 1: they could handle. They all the games have been tight 569 00:27:59,520 --> 00:28:03,159 Speaker 1: over time with Mississippi State on the road, you know, 570 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,719 Speaker 1: they hammered Wazoo in Polman. You know, like he has 571 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 1: done like he should be a guy who shouldn't get 572 00:28:10,359 --> 00:28:13,320 Speaker 1: coach of the europe But because you know, they'll probably 573 00:28:13,320 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 1: go eight and four, maybe they'll get nine wins, and 574 00:28:16,320 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: you go from like five and seven eight and four, 575 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 1: it's like, yeah, that's a good season. But when you're 576 00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:22,119 Speaker 1: in the same conference with with a couple of guys 577 00:28:22,119 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: who were you know, have a chance to make the 578 00:28:23,840 --> 00:28:26,800 Speaker 1: playoff in Washington and Orion and you and that doesn't 579 00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:29,600 Speaker 1: even speak to what Jonathan Smith is doing there. Again, 580 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,480 Speaker 1: I think it kind of gets lost to what's going 581 00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:32,880 Speaker 1: on in two. 582 00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040 Speaker 3: So, who's the player that is the surprise that we're 583 00:28:36,040 --> 00:28:40,080 Speaker 3: going to talk about sooner than meaning, who's the player 584 00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:43,680 Speaker 3: that's gonna go higher than everyone thinks in the draft 585 00:28:43,720 --> 00:28:45,880 Speaker 3: that we haven't even really discussed someone that is not 586 00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:49,200 Speaker 3: on the regular radar, but someone that you're hearing about, 587 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 3: either someone on your freaks list or somebody like that. 588 00:28:51,760 --> 00:28:53,400 Speaker 3: Just give me like a little give me, like a 589 00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,320 Speaker 3: little hidden gym that I need to pay attention to. 590 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:56,960 Speaker 1: I got a hitten gym. I don't know where he 591 00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,640 Speaker 1: goes in the draft, but like one of the so 592 00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,360 Speaker 1: the best kept secret in college football is the sun Belt. 593 00:29:02,800 --> 00:29:06,640 Speaker 1: There's a lot of great coaches on the rise. James Madison, 594 00:29:07,120 --> 00:29:09,440 Speaker 1: you know, like shut down the run. I don't know 595 00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: what Jamal Green, if he's on anybody's radar, he is 596 00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:17,200 Speaker 1: an undersized edge guy who's crazy disruptive. You know. I 597 00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:19,360 Speaker 1: think he had like five and a half sacks last week. 598 00:29:19,360 --> 00:29:22,280 Speaker 1: He's putting up big, big time numbers. They don't blitz 599 00:29:22,320 --> 00:29:24,320 Speaker 1: a lot, and they lead the they lead the nation 600 00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,960 Speaker 1: in sacks. He's I don't know if he's six one, 601 00:29:27,760 --> 00:29:31,800 Speaker 1: two thirty five, two forty. You know, like I'd be 602 00:29:31,880 --> 00:29:34,120 Speaker 1: interested if people go, look, Okay, he's gonna be a 603 00:29:34,120 --> 00:29:36,360 Speaker 1: guy who's gonna end up in you know, in one 604 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:38,560 Speaker 1: of the spring leagues or so. I have no idea, 605 00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,840 Speaker 1: but he is a hell of a football player, you know. 606 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,880 Speaker 1: I know that was not the answer I wanted, you know, 607 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:46,200 Speaker 1: like I wanted to give you somebody who would be like, Okay, 608 00:29:46,200 --> 00:29:46,880 Speaker 1: that guy's. 609 00:29:48,400 --> 00:29:50,960 Speaker 2: You know, maybe game what was the name again, Bruce, 610 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:52,520 Speaker 2: I've got just going off of. 611 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:58,120 Speaker 1: Game from from jmuu J. I'm sorry, Jailen, I'm even 612 00:29:58,120 --> 00:29:59,800 Speaker 1: screwed up excited. 613 00:30:00,280 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 2: Is he must be? He must be an underclassman. I've 614 00:30:02,400 --> 00:30:04,680 Speaker 2: got their I've got their senior list here with all 615 00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:08,640 Speaker 2: their measurables, but I do not have him. I don't 616 00:30:08,640 --> 00:30:10,440 Speaker 2: have him yet, so I have to He's. 617 00:30:10,280 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 1: A guy appearance what you think. Again, he's very undersized, 618 00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,160 Speaker 1: but he's super disruptive. 619 00:30:16,320 --> 00:30:17,760 Speaker 2: That's a great program. 620 00:30:17,920 --> 00:30:20,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they they get after you. I mean, Signetty 621 00:30:20,240 --> 00:30:23,360 Speaker 1: has done a really really good job there. You know, 622 00:30:23,880 --> 00:30:27,240 Speaker 1: I think one of the more intriguing guys, you know, 623 00:30:27,320 --> 00:30:31,560 Speaker 1: Geyton is the offensive tackle at Oklahoma, came nowhere. It 624 00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: was a basketball player. TCU got him. You know when 625 00:30:35,520 --> 00:30:37,640 Speaker 1: I talked to Bill Beidenbog who's the old line coach 626 00:30:37,680 --> 00:30:40,280 Speaker 1: at OU a few weeks back, and he's like, this 627 00:30:40,280 --> 00:30:42,400 Speaker 1: guy might be the most talented alignment I've ever had. 628 00:30:42,640 --> 00:30:44,160 Speaker 1: You think about some of the guys he's put in 629 00:30:44,200 --> 00:30:47,240 Speaker 1: the NFL. That's a huge statement. I have my hunches. 630 00:30:47,280 --> 00:30:49,760 Speaker 1: He probably would be better served with one more year 631 00:30:49,800 --> 00:30:52,080 Speaker 1: in college, but I don't think that's. My guess is 632 00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,000 Speaker 1: that's not going to happen. But he's somebody I could 633 00:30:55,000 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: see blowing up because he's such a such a gifted 634 00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,200 Speaker 1: athlete in that with that frame. 635 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:02,600 Speaker 2: I love it. See Bruce gives us a couple of 636 00:31:02,600 --> 00:31:04,840 Speaker 2: coaches and give us a couple of players. We all 637 00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 2: but solve the Michigan situation there of what what's going 638 00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,640 Speaker 2: to come out of that? So we cover a lot 639 00:31:10,640 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 2: of ground today, Bruce, how's your are we coaching flag here? 640 00:31:13,640 --> 00:31:14,160 Speaker 2: How are we doing? 641 00:31:14,560 --> 00:31:17,160 Speaker 1: We're doing pretty good. There's a lot of there's there's 642 00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: some some drama in our league too, but that's okay. 643 00:31:20,040 --> 00:31:23,280 Speaker 2: Okay, So parents, okay, parents happy? 644 00:31:23,840 --> 00:31:29,360 Speaker 1: Ours are Yeah, there's definitely some drama, you know, youth sports. 645 00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,840 Speaker 1: It's like this. It can be a great thing and. 646 00:31:33,120 --> 00:31:35,239 Speaker 2: Can it brings out the worst? It can bring out 647 00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: the absolute worst in people. 648 00:31:37,080 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 1: It does, and it's crazy about some of that stuff. 649 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 2: So have you have you become the most hated again 650 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:43,360 Speaker 2: in the league? 651 00:31:43,440 --> 00:31:43,640 Speaker 1: Yet? 652 00:31:44,200 --> 00:31:44,920 Speaker 2: Are they hating you? 653 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:46,880 Speaker 1: It's not yet? I think it's not. 654 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 2: Okay. 655 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 3: The second thing is how hard is it now the 656 00:31:51,400 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 3: second go round? Like, after you had all the success 657 00:31:53,480 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 3: that you had last year, how hard was it internally 658 00:31:56,520 --> 00:31:58,760 Speaker 3: for you going back and coaching again? Do you feel 659 00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,600 Speaker 3: more pressure? Are are you having a tough time dealing 660 00:32:01,600 --> 00:32:03,440 Speaker 3: with that or has everything kind of been the same 661 00:32:03,480 --> 00:32:04,960 Speaker 3: when it comes to like building up on what you 662 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:05,600 Speaker 3: did last year. 663 00:32:05,760 --> 00:32:08,160 Speaker 1: So we got rid of like my first year running 664 00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:09,920 Speaker 1: through this, it was like we were doing the slow 665 00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:11,360 Speaker 1: mash and it was really funky, and I don't think 666 00:32:11,400 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: most people knew what it was. Yeah, and I was like, 667 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:15,560 Speaker 1: all right, we're not going to do that. We started, like, 668 00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: we have kids who can throw, and we have a 669 00:32:17,240 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: lot of kids who can catch. And the biggest thing 670 00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,440 Speaker 1: I've taken from all the time around you know, you 671 00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:28,280 Speaker 1: guys and real football people is reps, reps, reps, like, 672 00:32:28,600 --> 00:32:30,600 Speaker 1: so you see these kids get so much better. I 673 00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:32,560 Speaker 1: have no idea if any of the kids, and these 674 00:32:32,600 --> 00:32:34,600 Speaker 1: kids are third and fourth graders, if they'll play in 675 00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:37,520 Speaker 1: high school football, if they'll be good or whatever, you know, 676 00:32:39,240 --> 00:32:42,719 Speaker 1: but they love they love what you know, they love 677 00:32:42,760 --> 00:32:45,560 Speaker 1: being around each other, and so they'll I Because we 678 00:32:45,560 --> 00:32:47,560 Speaker 1: have kids who do different sports, it's like, all right, 679 00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,520 Speaker 1: some kids can practice Tuesday, some can practice Wednesday. So 680 00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:53,240 Speaker 1: we practice both days and whoever can make it can 681 00:32:53,280 --> 00:32:55,080 Speaker 1: make it. And except for the kids who you know, 682 00:32:55,160 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: have like club soccer practice or some kind of school class. 683 00:32:58,280 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: They want to be out there, and so what I 684 00:33:01,040 --> 00:33:04,200 Speaker 1: what's been awesome is these kids like all want to 685 00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 1: do it, you know, they all want to be out there, 686 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:09,040 Speaker 1: and they all learn and they know, like they know 687 00:33:09,120 --> 00:33:11,880 Speaker 1: some of the plays. It's crazy. They're like, oh, yeah, 688 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:14,719 Speaker 1: that was this, and they know, like I don't know, 689 00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:17,640 Speaker 1: like I wasn't. We had a game on Saturday last 690 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:21,560 Speaker 1: week and I was traveling back from Ohio State and 691 00:33:21,600 --> 00:33:23,560 Speaker 1: my son was like told me, you know, like I 692 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: knew he scored a touchdow on something and I was like, 693 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,560 Speaker 1: what did he spread? Like? I asked my wife and 694 00:33:27,640 --> 00:33:29,800 Speaker 1: she said something and then he told me. He was like, no, 695 00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,200 Speaker 1: mommy doesn't know what spot fate is. 696 00:33:34,560 --> 00:33:39,479 Speaker 2: That's fantastic. Well, he's your your kids, the Jalen Hyatt 697 00:33:39,480 --> 00:33:41,360 Speaker 2: in this in this league. I love it. Man. Let's 698 00:33:41,360 --> 00:33:43,200 Speaker 2: get him in the slot. Let's let him get vertical. 699 00:33:43,600 --> 00:33:48,240 Speaker 1: His big thing. His big thing is like and it's I. 700 00:33:48,320 --> 00:33:50,560 Speaker 1: He'd be like, hey, to just send coach nuts the film. 701 00:33:50,680 --> 00:33:57,240 Speaker 1: I'm like, Coach, he doesn't look he's like because he has, 702 00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:00,320 Speaker 1: you know, a little relationship with with with what NFL 703 00:34:00,440 --> 00:34:02,440 Speaker 1: coach has been really kind to him. So, but it's 704 00:34:02,520 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: like he likes it. It's great when your kid loves 705 00:34:05,680 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: something that you love. 706 00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:08,800 Speaker 2: That's awesome. Man, that's great. 707 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:11,560 Speaker 1: You know, like Bucky, you know, like we had him 708 00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,640 Speaker 1: around a Lead eleven and he got to be around 709 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: these guys and so some of the leader the color. 710 00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,120 Speaker 1: It's funny. So I a couple of weeks ago, I 711 00:34:19,160 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 1: was in Columbus, I think it was for the Maryland game, 712 00:34:22,160 --> 00:34:25,360 Speaker 1: and Devin Gardner, who you know, former Yeah, Lead eleven, 713 00:34:25,400 --> 00:34:26,960 Speaker 1: and the first t word out of his mouth is like, 714 00:34:27,000 --> 00:34:31,120 Speaker 1: where's my son? And he's a person my kid, And 715 00:34:31,320 --> 00:34:33,560 Speaker 1: so it was very funny just because like now he 716 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,680 Speaker 1: has these relationships with people who are like kind of 717 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:39,239 Speaker 1: in the sport, and it's good. Like, I mean, look, 718 00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: I'd much rather have him be into that than be 719 00:34:41,400 --> 00:34:42,719 Speaker 1: like consumed by screens. 720 00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:47,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's cool. You're doing it right. You're doing it right, Bruce. Oh. Anyways, 721 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:49,520 Speaker 2: we appreciate you. You are the best. We'll do this 722 00:34:49,600 --> 00:34:52,120 Speaker 2: again soon as we start getting closer to draft season, 723 00:34:52,120 --> 00:34:53,920 Speaker 2: we'll start digging into some more of these players. But 724 00:34:54,000 --> 00:34:56,000 Speaker 2: we appreciate your time in and best of luck in 725 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:57,439 Speaker 2: your travels and the rest of the fall. 726 00:34:57,680 --> 00:34:59,359 Speaker 1: Always a pleasure. Guys, see us soon. 727 00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 2: All right, there he is. There's Bruce Felman. He is 728 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:04,160 Speaker 2: the best. You can find him every week on Fox Sports. 729 00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:06,440 Speaker 2: Nobody better and appreciate you. 730 00:35:06,480 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 1: Guys. 731 00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:08,440 Speaker 2: Hang with us. We'll see you next time. Right here on, 732 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:09,160 Speaker 2: move the sticks.