WEBVTT - Flashing Lies (with Nimesh Patel) 0:00:02.960 --> 0:00:04.640 I think it just goes back to that pressed thing 0:00:04.640 --> 0:00:07.160 I was saying. It's like you could famous people could 0:00:07.200 --> 0:00:12.520 not exist, right, that's how powerful you know. So it's 0:00:12.560 --> 0:00:16.320 all like what you control, back to like Taylor and Yeah, 0:00:16.320 --> 0:00:18.800 it's like if they were one of that to disappear 0:00:19.040 --> 0:00:23.280 or still be a story, it would, right. Daniel day 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.640 Lewis doesn't have these incidents ever, and there's a reason 0:00:26.720 --> 0:00:34.440 for this, and that motherfucker's nuts you way crazy. Yeah, 0:00:34.520 --> 0:00:36.040 what do you think he was doing in that log 0:00:36.120 --> 0:00:41.519 cabin while he was preparing for Lincoln? Like, yeah, had 0:00:41.560 --> 0:00:43.440 slaves locked up, so you can know what it's like 0:00:43.479 --> 0:00:49.800 the freedom let him out one at a time, Malik, 0:00:49.960 --> 0:01:03.560 your first get out of here. Chips in your quality 0:01:04.080 --> 0:01:14.920 are racist. He also mostly money stuff I can't tell me. 0:01:17.880 --> 0:01:21.399 Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me, 0:01:21.880 --> 0:01:25.800 the podcast where we died deep deep into the plockets 0:01:25.840 --> 0:01:29.760 of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove 0:01:29.840 --> 0:01:33.560 that he has called Andre three thousand because there were 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:37.960 two thousand, nine nine other clones that he defeated in 0:01:38.120 --> 0:01:43.479 battle to become the ultimate Andre. Hell yeah, I'm I'm 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.680 one of your host legs. Think Kermit and I'm David 0:01:46.760 --> 0:01:52.000 Boy three thousand and one. I do like this theory 0:01:52.040 --> 0:01:56.360 because it does explain why he became such a peaceful person. 0:01:56.720 --> 0:01:58.720 Do you know what I mean? That? Like, after you've 0:01:58.840 --> 0:02:01.800 murdered all of these other clones of yourself, you're gonna 0:02:01.800 --> 0:02:04.800 be a much more chill guy. And the on the 0:02:04.840 --> 0:02:13.160 back end, it's very similar to that Jet movie, almost 0:02:13.200 --> 0:02:17.400 identical to that jetly Andre three thousands, entire life. Listen. 0:02:17.440 --> 0:02:22.000 We don't have to put that on wax. I I 0:02:22.040 --> 0:02:24.600 can say this, I think with almost certainty. I'm not 0:02:25.600 --> 0:02:28.239 but our our guest today. I don't think has murdered anybody, 0:02:28.400 --> 0:02:31.239 especially not his clones. I think he's a I think 0:02:31.280 --> 0:02:36.000 he's an upstanding citizen, a fine man, a hilarious comedian, 0:02:36.280 --> 0:02:40.480 fucking fucking so funny. You know him from writing on snail. 0:02:40.560 --> 0:02:42.840 You know him from from writing for Chris Rocky and 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:45.840 I did that together years ago, and uh, what a 0:02:45.960 --> 0:02:49.679 harrowing journey that was. And most of all, most importantly, 0:02:49.680 --> 0:02:52.320 you know him from his brand new self produced special 0:02:52.360 --> 0:02:55.440 on YouTube called Thank You China. So funny. I was 0:02:55.480 --> 0:02:59.079 watching it just recently, so goddamn funny. Please give it 0:02:59.160 --> 0:03:02.800 up for our guests, Mr Nemesh, But tell thank you, 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:06.679 thank you David for head Hell. Yeah, dog, I don't 0:03:06.680 --> 0:03:08.320 know if you know this, but this is sort of 0:03:08.360 --> 0:03:12.400 a this is a groundbreaking episode for the podcast. You're 0:03:12.440 --> 0:03:15.880 the first non black person we've ever we've ever had 0:03:17.639 --> 0:03:19.960 what and honor pretty much. I'll try to carry the 0:03:20.000 --> 0:03:25.760 torch for the non uh going forward, you know. Yeah. 0:03:25.840 --> 0:03:29.120 I mean it's either gonna go really well or you 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.040 are gonna be hated by the community for what you're doing. 0:03:33.240 --> 0:03:36.920 Either way, I'm fine with it. You know, I have 0:03:37.000 --> 0:03:39.119 no problems with that whatsoever. You know, if I ruin 0:03:39.160 --> 0:03:41.320 it for every other Indian person. I've known you for 0:03:41.440 --> 0:03:43.880 some time, and I believe you. I think you you 0:03:44.000 --> 0:03:47.839 more than most people. Yes, you're right, Yeah, I think 0:03:48.000 --> 0:03:50.600 I think you'll handle it just fine. Yes, thank you, 0:03:50.600 --> 0:03:56.280 I think yeah. I don't know if that was positive. 0:03:56.480 --> 0:04:00.520 I think it is. I say it only with with 0:04:00.640 --> 0:04:04.800 warmth in my heart. We we can't deal in shenanigans anymore. 0:04:04.800 --> 0:04:08.120 Because you came to us with a conspiracy theory that 0:04:08.200 --> 0:04:11.440 I'm especially excited about. I don't know. I think I've 0:04:11.440 --> 0:04:13.640 obviously heard it over the years, but I don't know 0:04:13.680 --> 0:04:16.680 that I've ever given it any real thought or attention, 0:04:17.160 --> 0:04:21.159 but you presenting this forced me naturally to have to 0:04:21.200 --> 0:04:27.440 do that. And you said, my mama told me Kanye 0:04:27.520 --> 0:04:36.080 West and Taylor Swift you what stage. Yes, I believe 0:04:36.160 --> 0:04:39.000 that my mom came to me with conviction and told 0:04:39.000 --> 0:04:42.040 me that the human the stage between Kanye West and Taylor. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:46.080 But it all started in two thousand nine, as we 0:04:46.120 --> 0:04:51.760 all know, when Kanye famously interrupted Taylor's speech and said, 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.800 I don't mean to be interrupt, but Fiance had one 0:04:54.800 --> 0:04:57.039 of the greatest videos of all time, of all time, 0:04:57.760 --> 0:05:02.159 and then shrugged the infamous shrug and walked away. And 0:05:02.200 --> 0:05:03.760 I think it was right before it was right after 0:05:03.800 --> 0:05:06.320 eight and eight a waits and the heartbreak wasn't doing 0:05:06.360 --> 0:05:08.440 that well or it wasn't a popping the way it 0:05:08.480 --> 0:05:12.400 should have been. I think right that happened in oh nine, Yeah, 0:05:13.000 --> 0:05:15.640 it was very close to that period. I think it 0:05:15.720 --> 0:05:20.799 was pre pre Dark Switzted Fantasy, but post whatever, Yeah, 0:05:20.880 --> 0:05:25.120 the preceding album. And so it only makes it makes 0:05:25.200 --> 0:05:28.159 perfect sense as to why I you know, I've seen 0:05:28.200 --> 0:05:31.840 them be friends afterwards, right, mm hmm. I don't know 0:05:31.880 --> 0:05:36.040 if that's that proof, Like he was Hennessy drunk. Right, 0:05:36.520 --> 0:05:38.720 I have said some things to people I love on 0:05:38.760 --> 0:05:42.840 Hennessey that we've had to get past years later. Huh. 0:05:44.320 --> 0:05:46.760 So you think you think it was just the booze 0:05:46.800 --> 0:05:48.800 that I think it was an alcohol that gave him 0:05:48.800 --> 0:05:52.520 the confidence to go through with the plane. Okay, okay, 0:05:52.600 --> 0:05:54.920 So you think that he was using it as liquid 0:05:54.920 --> 0:05:58.800 courage another time and us going to stage. And I 0:05:58.839 --> 0:06:02.320 don't think Taylor, people watching you. I watched the recap 0:06:02.360 --> 0:06:06.760 of that VMA. Taylor doesn't seem all that surprise what's 0:06:06.800 --> 0:06:08.480 going But I don't know how surprised you could seem. 0:06:08.480 --> 0:06:12.479 But Taylor, I don't know. It seems like a well 0:06:12.680 --> 0:06:16.960 orchestrated plan for the most famous artists of the time 0:06:17.040 --> 0:06:19.080 at the moment to just walk on stage and be 0:06:19.160 --> 0:06:24.640 like So, I guess that's that's what makes me curious, right, 0:06:24.760 --> 0:06:28.560 is because you're saying it's staged, and I'm wondering how staged? 0:06:28.560 --> 0:06:31.400 Are we talking in a way that are you suggesting 0:06:31.440 --> 0:06:35.040 that everybody was in on it? Every single party involved 0:06:35.040 --> 0:06:37.320 in this knew what was happening. Are there certain people 0:06:37.400 --> 0:06:40.839 that were like they only talked to Kanye, and Kanye 0:06:40.880 --> 0:06:42.640 had to get drunk to build up the courage and 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:46.359 squeeze on Amber Rose's ass, just you know whatever it 0:06:46.400 --> 0:06:56.000 took away, Yeah for that. You know, I don't know 0:06:56.600 --> 0:06:58.839 what Taylor had popping off at the time. I don't. 0:06:58.839 --> 0:07:01.280 I don't recall which video she won the v n 0:07:01.360 --> 0:07:04.240 A for. Was it Bad Blood? No, this is way 0:07:04.279 --> 0:07:08.239 before Bad Blood. I think this is during her fearless stage. 0:07:08.240 --> 0:07:10.560 I hate that I know the answer to this. So 0:07:11.280 --> 0:07:14.240 you were so watch your goddamn mouth. This is for 0:07:14.400 --> 0:07:20.000 love story. So I think like if that being the case, 0:07:20.560 --> 0:07:23.560 that being the case, I would even go so far 0:07:23.600 --> 0:07:26.080 as to say maybe it was Taylor who might have 0:07:26.080 --> 0:07:31.840 had this plot m Kanye. Kanye said on Famous, I 0:07:31.880 --> 0:07:33.760 made that bitch famous, And I gotta be honest, I 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:39.360 didn't know who Taylor was before that, and wow, did you? 0:07:40.000 --> 0:07:46.920 I I'm from I'm from Colorado. I wasn't. I wasn't 0:07:47.120 --> 0:07:51.520 on on the Taylor Swift team before that, and I'm 0:07:51.560 --> 0:07:53.960 not on the Tail Swift team now. But I'm just 0:07:54.000 --> 0:07:56.560 saying like, I wasn't very aware. I knew every Kanye 0:07:56.600 --> 0:08:00.440 song up until that moment happened, and I did away, 0:08:00.840 --> 0:08:05.360 But Kanye was a objectively much more established artist. By 0:08:05.400 --> 0:08:08.280 that point, Taylor was on a hell of a run, 0:08:08.800 --> 0:08:11.680 I think, but in the in the way that like 0:08:12.240 --> 0:08:14.280 beat Ts is on a hell of a run and 0:08:14.360 --> 0:08:21.680 I don't know who those motherfucker's are. Sure, yeah, he 0:08:21.720 --> 0:08:31.160 doesn't like show. Well that frankly was intentional this entire time. 0:08:31.200 --> 0:08:36.680 But you know, here we are. Here's here's my question. 0:08:36.760 --> 0:08:39.240 Here's my question. If it was in fact that Taylor 0:08:39.360 --> 0:08:42.680 Swift plot. Do you think she was open for anybody 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:46.280 and Kanye was just like the spider that fell into 0:08:46.320 --> 0:08:48.880 the web or like, do you think she was like, 0:08:48.960 --> 0:08:52.120 I just need somebody to come and make a spectacle 0:08:52.160 --> 0:08:54.440 on my win, or do you think she called out 0:08:54.520 --> 0:08:57.880 Kanye West specifically? I think it had to have been 0:08:57.960 --> 0:09:01.360 Kanye because he was the most famous and it was 0:09:01.400 --> 0:09:05.640 so in character for him, the Spas and an award show, uh, 0:09:06.240 --> 0:09:10.840 the Amazing Spas that the Grammys before that, and for him, 0:09:11.440 --> 0:09:14.680 I think Taylor was like, it's gotta be Kanye. He's 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.360 the only person who could do this, and he's got 0:09:16.360 --> 0:09:20.760 a point to Beyonce, the only person whose video you 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:24.079 could say is better and you you can't say, oh, 0:09:24.120 --> 0:09:26.959 he's wrong. And then that put a little Hennessey in 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:29.640 that in that glass of his boom. I think he 0:09:29.720 --> 0:09:31.680 was straight from the bottle hand, to be honest, it 0:09:31.760 --> 0:09:36.240 was holding by the neck. From what I remember, he 0:09:36.280 --> 0:09:38.480 had a hand titty in one hand and a bottle 0:09:38.480 --> 0:09:43.440 of hennay and the other was a dream that evening. Yeah, 0:09:43.520 --> 0:09:45.760 I mean, that's also like the beginning of the end 0:09:45.840 --> 0:09:52.360 for everybody. That's how it starts. And another that's gonna 0:09:52.360 --> 0:09:55.560 be a great opening shot for your movie, Lenks, and whenever, 0:09:55.679 --> 0:09:57.720 whenever you have a movie about your life, it's gotta 0:09:57.760 --> 0:10:03.600 be you splayed out with a titty in one hand. Yeah, 0:10:03.640 --> 0:10:07.920 that's me about You're wondering how I got here? Taylor 0:10:08.000 --> 0:10:12.199 Swift playing in the background. They would be beautiful man. Yeah, so, 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:14.920 I uh, just to recap a little bit of the 0:10:14.960 --> 0:10:18.679 evening for our listeners. Kanye shows up with Amber Rows. 0:10:18.760 --> 0:10:21.560 They're like very publicly dating and going through like a 0:10:21.600 --> 0:10:24.560 ship ton of PDA that evening. You know, they get 0:10:24.640 --> 0:10:28.240 crazy drunk in the seats. And then somehow when Taylor 0:10:28.320 --> 0:10:31.440 Swift is being awarded I think it was Video of 0:10:31.480 --> 0:10:33.920 the Year or something in relation to Video of the Year, 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:37.120 and Olivia sent it it's it's you belong to me 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:40.720 or with me, excuse me, that is the the awarded 0:10:40.840 --> 0:10:44.479 song that evening or video that evening. And then Kanye 0:10:44.559 --> 0:10:47.600 as Taylor is sort of like weeping over her successes. 0:10:48.080 --> 0:10:52.559 Storms of Stage says, you know this ain't uh, no offense, 0:10:52.640 --> 0:10:55.840 no disrespect to you, Taylor. I'm sure you're great, but 0:10:56.000 --> 0:10:58.920 Beyonce had the best video of all time and then 0:10:58.920 --> 0:11:03.040 shrunks as you meant, Jen, and so for you, given 0:11:03.120 --> 0:11:07.000 the fact that Kanye is the more famous person, is 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.920 more established, you're saying the real potential benefitter of this 0:11:11.040 --> 0:11:15.439 situation is Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, and she did benefit 0:11:15.480 --> 0:11:19.520 greatly from that. Obama called Kanye a jackass for doing 0:11:19.559 --> 0:11:23.240 that thing, and which means he thinks of tail Swift 0:11:23.240 --> 0:11:26.840 and a sympathetic light. Yeah, what's more famous. I mean, 0:11:26.880 --> 0:11:29.640 I'm sure Obama was listening to the tail Swift because 0:11:29.640 --> 0:11:31.480 of Sasha and Malia when he was when they were 0:11:31.600 --> 0:11:35.680 when tail Swift was popping off. But what better platform? 0:11:36.080 --> 0:11:41.520 And he that was a conversation for weeks afterwards. Yeah, 0:11:41.559 --> 0:11:45.400 and to your point, it's not a conversation that that 0:11:45.800 --> 0:11:49.560 felt out of line for Kanye. Conversations like people had 0:11:49.600 --> 0:11:51.680 been calling him the jackass all the way back to 0:11:51.720 --> 0:11:55.559 when he was like advocating for Katrina victims and ship. 0:11:56.040 --> 0:11:58.440 So it's not like this was like a world he 0:11:58.480 --> 0:12:01.880 couldn't live in. But Taylor, to your point, remains a 0:12:01.960 --> 0:12:05.120 cuteie pie who gets to keep sort of progressing as 0:12:05.200 --> 0:12:08.680 like the budding new famous face in America. If there's 0:12:08.720 --> 0:12:11.880 one thing I know about hyper famous people is that 0:12:11.920 --> 0:12:14.360 they can control what's said about them in the news, 0:12:15.559 --> 0:12:18.319 which means if Taylor, I mean, if Kanye wanted that 0:12:18.360 --> 0:12:21.360 story out or if Taylor wanted that story squash or whatever, 0:12:21.360 --> 0:12:23.480 they could have they could have killed it, or if 0:12:23.480 --> 0:12:25.600 they wanted it to be made bigger news, they could 0:12:25.600 --> 0:12:28.480 have made it made it bigger news. So like if 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.560 that was the if that that was like the jumping 0:12:31.559 --> 0:12:34.120 off point for like a well executed media plan to 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.360 take Taylor from what does you Belong with Me? Too 0:12:38.000 --> 0:12:40.640 Bad Blood to you know, billions of dollars and sold 0:12:40.640 --> 0:12:42.559 out towards the point where she's suing a private equity 0:12:42.559 --> 0:12:45.640 company to get a platform back, like he became huge 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:49.199 because of that and kind of So so here's the 0:12:49.559 --> 0:12:52.240 question I have for you, Because Okay, if this is 0:12:52.360 --> 0:12:56.120 to benefit Taylor, and Taylor is the main benefitter of 0:12:56.160 --> 0:13:00.800 this situation. Is MTV the one that's sort of like 0:13:00.920 --> 0:13:04.040 masterminds this or just Taylor and her team do it 0:13:04.080 --> 0:13:08.600 and then presented as like, here's our pitch, you trying 0:13:08.600 --> 0:13:10.480 to get in on this ship. I mean, that's a 0:13:11.000 --> 0:13:13.680 that's something I hadn't considered. But having worked behind the 0:13:13.720 --> 0:13:16.040 scenes that awards shows before, you and I both know 0:13:16.160 --> 0:13:18.320 there's there's a lot we can pitch, and there's a 0:13:18.320 --> 0:13:20.680 lot we can control, a lot we can make happen. 0:13:21.320 --> 0:13:23.000 I don't know if the minds that the v n 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.679 as would have been brilliant enough to orchestrate something like that, 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:29.560 but I do know that I do know. I do 0:13:29.679 --> 0:13:31.439 know that they have some heavy hitters on that staff 0:13:31.440 --> 0:13:33.400 from time to time. So I don't know who was 0:13:33.520 --> 0:13:35.480 right and then. But I'm sure if you went through 0:13:35.520 --> 0:13:39.079 that list of writers that were underpaid for that show, 0:13:42.320 --> 0:13:45.719 what if Eric Andre was on that staff, that that's 0:13:45.760 --> 0:13:48.680 definitely Eric Andre's cast, you know. Yeah, I don't feel 0:13:48.679 --> 0:13:50.959 like I don't feel like the VMA has had anything 0:13:50.960 --> 0:13:52.840 to do with it. I think it was I think 0:13:52.880 --> 0:13:55.559 it was I think they were rogue. I think I've 0:13:55.600 --> 0:13:58.520 only I've only worked on one Awards show, but it 0:13:58.600 --> 0:14:01.760 seems like Secure is lax as far as like bum 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.480 rushing the stage right, Apparently that's like that's like a 0:14:05.640 --> 0:14:08.000 very easy we say, we're gonna do what we do it. 0:14:08.559 --> 0:14:11.679 I don't think because then MTV. I don't think. I 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:13.640 don't think they had any part of it. I don't. 0:14:13.640 --> 0:14:15.400 I don't think they had anything to gain or lose 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:18.280 from it. I think it was like I think, I 0:14:18.320 --> 0:14:21.000 think it was just Taylor's idea. Namn Now, I'm in 0:14:21.040 --> 0:14:23.200 it now, I really do. The more I talked about it, 0:14:23.200 --> 0:14:25.520 the more I think. I do believe. I think it 0:14:25.560 --> 0:14:28.320 was a Taylor Kanye West plan. And you're right. He 0:14:28.480 --> 0:14:30.960 honked a titty, he took a shot, and then he 0:14:31.040 --> 0:14:33.800 rushed the stage. Maybe he like forgot his role for 0:14:33.840 --> 0:14:35.600 a second. He was at the bar drinking and said, 0:14:36.000 --> 0:14:41.200 I gotta go interrupt Hill. Damn it time, I'll keep 0:14:41.240 --> 0:14:46.680 the bottle. Let me take the bottle with I do 0:14:46.800 --> 0:14:49.840 love BORI that your instinct is to stand up for 0:14:49.920 --> 0:14:56.800 the Viacom corporation. They're good. I drink it and they're 0:14:56.800 --> 0:15:01.360 paying me for it. U. I mean, I don't. I 0:15:01.360 --> 0:15:05.800 wouldn't put it past MTV because I mean, David, I think, uh, 0:15:06.240 --> 0:15:09.720 to counter your point, that clip was repaid, replayed a 0:15:09.800 --> 0:15:12.120 billion time. I think MTV also milked it for as 0:15:12.160 --> 0:15:14.360 long as I could, like in terms of how much 0:15:14.400 --> 0:15:16.720 news they got after that. This was this was back 0:15:16.760 --> 0:15:19.120 before they were dead, you know, so people were still 0:15:19.160 --> 0:15:25.240 watching that ship and uh to think maybe maybe MTV 0:15:25.360 --> 0:15:28.320 pitched at the Telle like, hey, we got this idea 0:15:28.360 --> 0:15:31.280 will be kind of crazy, and Tales like sure, just 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:32.920 like I don't want to know how it happens. I 0:15:32.920 --> 0:15:35.200 don't know when it's who's what's gonna happen, how it's 0:15:35.200 --> 0:15:38.800 gonna happen. But well, you think MTV was the mastermind. 0:15:38.960 --> 0:15:41.600 I don't think they were the mastermind, but I I 0:15:41.640 --> 0:15:44.200 wouldn't put it past them. I still think I still 0:15:44.200 --> 0:15:46.680 think it might have come from Taylor's camp or Taylor's 0:15:46.680 --> 0:15:49.480 camp was like we need something crazy to happen. This 0:15:49.680 --> 0:15:52.480 VMA is not going to be enough because honestly, someone 0:15:52.520 --> 0:15:55.400 wins the VMA is like, all right, what's the VMA anyway? 0:15:55.720 --> 0:15:59.840 But then Kiny is like, you don't deserve your VMA. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.280 Now suddenly it feels like a coveted trophy that that 0:16:03.320 --> 0:16:07.440 we have to fight over, because man, that movement is 0:16:07.480 --> 0:16:14.240 worth a lot. Did I listen, I'm not gonna upset 0:16:14.240 --> 0:16:23.760 the bee Hive. Just a sweet angel who never hurt nobody. 0:16:23.920 --> 0:16:30.560 She wasn't even that was the line. Must be as acting, 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:38.920 not not Beyonce. Maybe maybe was like you gotta Kanye. 0:16:39.520 --> 0:16:45.160 But beyond that, do you think it just to continue 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:48.240 down this train? Do you think that that even if 0:16:48.240 --> 0:16:51.240 Beyonce was a neutral party in this, there were other 0:16:51.400 --> 0:16:54.720 people aware. I won't say Beyonce, Let's say it was Jay, 0:16:54.840 --> 0:16:57.000 Let's say it was other people in the room. Do 0:16:57.040 --> 0:17:00.000 you think that other people were aware of the possibility, 0:17:00.040 --> 0:17:02.160 did that this was going to happen? Or was it 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:08.360 truly closed door conversation? Nobody knows what's in this bombs everybody. 0:17:08.680 --> 0:17:12.399 I think, knowing who Kanye West is as a person, 0:17:12.440 --> 0:17:15.520 there's no way he didn't not tell people that this 0:17:15.600 --> 0:17:18.960 is about to happen. And uh, people like, no, kind 0:17:18.960 --> 0:17:20.960 it's a bad it's a bad look for you. He's like, 0:17:21.000 --> 0:17:28.840 I don't need you. I go. Yeah, I got my 0:17:28.920 --> 0:17:34.240 dog liquor my leather outfit. Yeah, he was whiling a lot. 0:17:34.359 --> 0:17:36.639 He was. We forget he was wearing a leather shirt 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:39.480 and he had a crazy haircut. He was doing it all. 0:17:39.800 --> 0:17:42.080 That's why this far didn't show up in Genius. He 0:17:42.200 --> 0:17:44.919 was like, hey, man, I don't need y'all get the 0:17:44.920 --> 0:17:47.920 funk out of here, put your cam quarter away. I'm 0:17:47.920 --> 0:17:52.760 not out of here. I'm not. No, I don't. I 0:17:52.760 --> 0:17:55.440 don't think his I don't think uh. I definitely think 0:17:55.480 --> 0:17:58.159 his camp probably had knowledge from him blaring about it, 0:17:58.200 --> 0:18:00.080 and they'd probably be told him not do it, and 0:18:00.119 --> 0:18:06.240 he's like, I'll show you all he's not technically wrong. 0:18:06.320 --> 0:18:08.879 I will. I will say that that often is the 0:18:08.880 --> 0:18:12.400 biggest challenge with conspiracy theories that come up, and and 0:18:12.600 --> 0:18:16.159 is the the part that becomes so heavily debated, is 0:18:16.280 --> 0:18:19.000 like keeping secrets. This is truly the hardest thing for 0:18:19.080 --> 0:18:23.000 human beings to do, maybe on the on the planet Earth, 0:18:23.080 --> 0:18:27.680 like we're fucking awful at it. Consistently everybody's telling somebody 0:18:27.800 --> 0:18:30.920 something right, And so when they say like, oh, there's 0:18:31.000 --> 0:18:35.159 fucking aliens and you know in in Roswell or the 0:18:35.320 --> 0:18:38.840 nine eleven was an inside job, the critique that always 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:43.399 comes up is who amongst all these potentially hundreds of 0:18:43.440 --> 0:18:47.159 thousands of participants is able to like, how do you 0:18:47.240 --> 0:18:49.800 keep that many people from talking shit? Do you know 0:18:49.840 --> 0:18:52.600 what I mean? I hear you. Maybe it was just 0:18:52.680 --> 0:18:55.000 in the room. Maybe it was in the green room 0:18:55.119 --> 0:18:59.920 like a few hours before they told oh, maybe even 0:19:00.119 --> 0:19:03.240 working up the cars the whole time. Right, So this 0:19:03.240 --> 0:19:06.240 this wasn't necessarily a week's out pitch. This was like, 0:19:06.800 --> 0:19:09.480 hey baby, good night, But uh, I got I got 0:19:09.480 --> 0:19:11.440 a way to make this mad boy sing. You know 0:19:11.480 --> 0:19:14.840 what I mean? If I mean what you're saying is true, 0:19:14.880 --> 0:19:18.399 people can't keep secrets. They probably pitched Kanye this idea 0:19:19.160 --> 0:19:23.080 when he walks into the room, when a man, we 0:19:23.200 --> 0:19:26.040 got this crazy, crazy thing we need you to do 0:19:26.160 --> 0:19:30.399 for Taylor Swift. He's like, all right, and if if 0:19:30.440 --> 0:19:32.320 we're gonna play the game, and I know you guys 0:19:32.320 --> 0:19:34.600 are much more on the side that Taylor Swift is 0:19:34.640 --> 0:19:36.639 sort of the mastermind of this, but if we're going 0:19:36.680 --> 0:19:39.040 to play the game that this was an MTV pitch, 0:19:39.520 --> 0:19:42.199 it could be as easy as I'm going And you 0:19:42.240 --> 0:19:45.720 know we're about to snub Beyonce and offering that to 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.879 an already mentally unstable dude Off Hennessey, He's gonna do 0:19:50.000 --> 0:19:52.040 what he already does. You almost think it's like a 0:19:52.119 --> 0:19:58.480 reality TV play they put They were like, damn that 0:19:58.520 --> 0:20:07.240 Hennessey looks cold. The bottle of sweating. I got another 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:08.960 check it on. You might got to make a move. 0:20:12.320 --> 0:20:14.800 He got the cuts in his head. Oh yeah, it 0:20:14.880 --> 0:20:18.280 was prime, It was prim ready. Maybe he was gonna 0:20:18.320 --> 0:20:21.840 say something wild that night. Yeah, he wasn't gonna politely 0:20:21.920 --> 0:20:25.040 go home that evening. So yeah, we're gonna prompt whatever 0:20:25.119 --> 0:20:27.720 that is. You don't go out with that haircut in 0:20:27.720 --> 0:20:31.480 a leather shirt not fixing to say something crazy to somebody. 0:20:33.280 --> 0:20:35.560 Dog the fact that he made it. What was that 0:20:35.680 --> 0:20:39.480 two thirds of the way into the show before impressive? 0:20:41.880 --> 0:20:45.600 I want to say something crazy thinking about it? Who 0:20:45.680 --> 0:20:56.439 runs the media? David? Are you still there? Help me? Okay, 0:20:56.480 --> 0:21:00.920 So Kanye potentially is prompted, he's coached into this thing. 0:21:01.440 --> 0:21:04.119 Do you think and this will be my final question 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:06.400 before we head off the break, but do you think 0:21:06.400 --> 0:21:11.280 that Kanye recognized the benefits for himself? Like if his 0:21:11.280 --> 0:21:13.840 team is going, hey, we don't think this is a 0:21:13.840 --> 0:21:16.840 good idea, If anybody in his life it's going, hey, Kanye, 0:21:16.920 --> 0:21:20.439 chill grow, it's not worth it. What what is he 0:21:20.600 --> 0:21:23.600 seeing as the growth that can come out of this decision. 0:21:24.040 --> 0:21:26.560 I think Kanye kind of enjoys being a heal from 0:21:26.600 --> 0:21:28.240 time to time, and it might have been one of 0:21:28.280 --> 0:21:31.760 those he'll turn moments for him in between albums. Killing 0:21:32.119 --> 0:21:36.879 got no hardcore press happening whatsoever. Like eight Awaits isn't 0:21:37.440 --> 0:21:40.320 universally loved the way he expected it to be. He's 0:21:40.359 --> 0:21:43.399 just going through some ship. He wants have bought some steam, 0:21:43.480 --> 0:21:46.320 and uh, he don't. I don't think he sees the benefits, 0:21:46.480 --> 0:21:48.520 but I don't think he sees the harm. I think 0:21:48.520 --> 0:21:50.399 he's just like you already hate my guests what I 0:21:50.440 --> 0:21:52.000 was gonna hate. He's gonna hite me where it loves me. 0:21:52.000 --> 0:21:53.919 He's gonna love me and it keeps me in the 0:21:53.920 --> 0:21:57.200 news for another year before the greatest hip hop album 0:21:57.200 --> 0:22:00.560 of all time arguably comes out. Yeah. If I know 0:22:00.680 --> 0:22:03.600 that I'm about I'm sitting on like truly my uh 0:22:03.880 --> 0:22:07.840 my masterpiece. I'll act up a little bit. You can 0:22:07.920 --> 0:22:14.359 hit so you could slap somebody. Very deeming album, you know, Yeah, 0:22:14.400 --> 0:22:20.040 you could really come for a time there was ever 0:22:20.080 --> 0:22:22.879 a time to slender a pop star. That's when you 0:22:22.920 --> 0:22:26.920 know you got runaway. Oh man, all right, well this 0:22:27.040 --> 0:22:30.320 is all very enlightening. I would say, I'm excited to 0:22:30.320 --> 0:22:32.400 get into this research. We're gonna take a break. We'll 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:34.919 be back with Morning Match. Buttel more, my mama told me, 0:22:45.560 --> 0:22:53.199 and we are. We're not gonna let Joe Biden and 0:22:53.320 --> 0:22:58.440 Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that on that, that's 0:22:58.480 --> 0:23:01.280 that on that. Yeah, we're back here when Morning meshed. 0:23:01.320 --> 0:23:03.520 But tell more, my mama told me. We're still talking 0:23:03.560 --> 0:23:07.679 about the possibility that Kanye and Taylor Swift's feud was 0:23:07.680 --> 0:23:10.560 was a ruse. It was a long con to benefit 0:23:11.080 --> 0:23:14.480 mostly Taylor Swift. But but Kanye got his blessings out 0:23:14.480 --> 0:23:16.960 of it and maybe Beyonce too. Do you think Beyonce 0:23:17.119 --> 0:23:22.720 benefited from from whatever this was? Everything that is the 0:23:22.800 --> 0:23:29.640 gravity of Beyonce. Ye, No bad things happened to Beyonce. 0:23:30.440 --> 0:23:33.040 Everything bad that tries to happen that Beyonce has turned 0:23:33.080 --> 0:23:37.359 into good for Beyonce. Damn, what a nice life for 0:23:37.359 --> 0:23:46.040 for that. Uh that robot lady, that's really sweet. Frien. Damn, 0:23:46.080 --> 0:23:51.640 I'm dead too. Come to Winnipeg. They'll never find you. Yeah, 0:23:52.240 --> 0:23:57.120 you can be saving Winnipeg. I started my research by 0:23:57.280 --> 0:24:00.639 by truly just going directly off of your phrasing of 0:24:00.720 --> 0:24:03.320 like the feud was staged. And I found this blog 0:24:03.359 --> 0:24:06.960 from somewhere called Saving Country Music dot Com, which is 0:24:07.000 --> 0:24:14.800 already a beautiful start to Yes, commun's right up there 0:24:14.840 --> 0:24:18.600 with peer reviewed articles is Saving Country Music dot Com. 0:24:18.640 --> 0:24:22.040 But this is a person the blogger did a deep 0:24:22.119 --> 0:24:25.439 dive into their belief that this was in fact a 0:24:25.600 --> 0:24:29.680 stage event. There they sort of start this argument by saying, 0:24:29.680 --> 0:24:33.800 there is a history of staged events and staged antics 0:24:34.119 --> 0:24:38.320 from the MTV Video Awards that already they've already been 0:24:38.359 --> 0:24:41.000 doing to boost their ratings. Right. One of the examples 0:24:41.040 --> 0:24:43.600 they point to, I don't know if you guys remember this, 0:24:43.680 --> 0:24:45.880 but there was that two thousand and eight quote unquote 0:24:45.920 --> 0:24:50.600 incident where Sasha Baron Cohen as Bruno flies into the 0:24:50.640 --> 0:24:55.560 awards show on like high fly wire cables whatever and 0:24:55.600 --> 0:24:59.639 then ends up uh sixty nine ng on top of Eminem. 0:24:59.680 --> 0:25:04.240 They basically the wires, the wires fall down, He ends 0:25:04.320 --> 0:25:08.720