Speaker 1: I think it just goes back to that pressed thing
Speaker 1: I was saying. It's like you could famous people could
Speaker 1: not exist, right, that's how powerful you know. So it's
Speaker 1: all like what you control, back to like Taylor and Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like if they were one of that to disappear
Speaker 1: or still be a story, it would, right. Daniel day
Speaker 1: Lewis doesn't have these incidents ever, and there's a reason
Speaker 1: for this, and that motherfucker's nuts you way crazy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: what do you think he was doing in that log
Speaker 1: cabin while he was preparing for Lincoln? Like, yeah, had
Speaker 1: slaves locked up, so you can know what it's like
Speaker 1: the freedom let him out one at a time, Malik,
Speaker 1: your first get out of here. Chips in your quality
Speaker 1: are racist. He also mostly money stuff I can't tell me.
Speaker 1: Welcome to another phenomenal episode of My Mama Told Me,
Speaker 1: the podcast where we died deep deep into the plockets
Speaker 1: of black conspiracy theories and we finally worked to prove
Speaker 1: that he has called Andre three thousand because there were
Speaker 1: two thousand, nine nine other clones that he defeated in
Speaker 1: battle to become the ultimate Andre. Hell yeah, I'm I'm
Speaker 1: one of your host legs. Think Kermit and I'm David
Speaker 1: Boy three thousand and one. I do like this theory
Speaker 1: because it does explain why he became such a peaceful person.
Speaker 1: Do you know what I mean? That? Like, after you've
Speaker 1: murdered all of these other clones of yourself, you're gonna
Speaker 1: be a much more chill guy. And the on the
Speaker 1: back end, it's very similar to that Jet movie, almost
Speaker 1: identical to that jetly Andre three thousands, entire life. Listen.
Speaker 1: We don't have to put that on wax. I I
Speaker 1: can say this, I think with almost certainty. I'm not
Speaker 1: but our our guest today. I don't think has murdered anybody,
Speaker 1: especially not his clones. I think he's a I think
Speaker 1: he's an upstanding citizen, a fine man, a hilarious comedian,
Speaker 1: fucking fucking so funny. You know him from writing on snail.
Speaker 1: You know him from from writing for Chris Rocky and
Speaker 1: I did that together years ago, and uh, what a
Speaker 1: harrowing journey that was. And most of all, most importantly,
Speaker 1: you know him from his brand new self produced special
Speaker 1: on YouTube called Thank You China. So funny. I was
Speaker 1: watching it just recently, so goddamn funny. Please give it
Speaker 1: up for our guests, Mr Nemesh, But tell thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you David for head Hell. Yeah, dog, I don't
Speaker 1: know if you know this, but this is sort of
Speaker 1: a this is a groundbreaking episode for the podcast. You're
Speaker 1: the first non black person we've ever we've ever had
Speaker 1: what and honor pretty much. I'll try to carry the
Speaker 1: torch for the non uh going forward, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean it's either gonna go really well or you
Speaker 1: are gonna be hated by the community for what you're doing.
Speaker 1: Either way, I'm fine with it. You know, I have
Speaker 1: no problems with that whatsoever. You know, if I ruin
Speaker 1: it for every other Indian person. I've known you for
Speaker 1: some time, and I believe you. I think you you
Speaker 1: more than most people. Yes, you're right, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: I think you'll handle it just fine. Yes, thank you,
Speaker 1: I think yeah. I don't know if that was positive.
Speaker 1: I think it is. I say it only with with
Speaker 1: warmth in my heart. We we can't deal in shenanigans anymore.
Speaker 1: Because you came to us with a conspiracy theory that
Speaker 1: I'm especially excited about. I don't know. I think I've
Speaker 1: obviously heard it over the years, but I don't know
Speaker 1: that I've ever given it any real thought or attention,
Speaker 1: but you presenting this forced me naturally to have to
Speaker 1: do that. And you said, my mama told me Kanye
Speaker 1: West and Taylor Swift you what stage. Yes, I believe
Speaker 1: that my mom came to me with conviction and told
Speaker 1: me that the human the stage between Kanye West and Taylor.
Speaker 1: But it all started in two thousand nine, as we
Speaker 1: all know, when Kanye famously interrupted Taylor's speech and said,
Speaker 1: I don't mean to be interrupt, but Fiance had one
Speaker 1: of the greatest videos of all time, of all time,
Speaker 1: and then shrugged the infamous shrug and walked away. And
Speaker 1: I think it was right before it was right after
Speaker 1: eight and eight a waits and the heartbreak wasn't doing
Speaker 1: that well or it wasn't a popping the way it
Speaker 1: should have been. I think right that happened in oh nine, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was very close to that period. I think it
Speaker 1: was pre pre Dark Switzted Fantasy, but post whatever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: the preceding album. And so it only makes it makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense as to why I you know, I've seen
Speaker 1: them be friends afterwards, right, mm hmm. I don't know
Speaker 1: if that's that proof, Like he was Hennessy drunk. Right,
Speaker 1: I have said some things to people I love on
Speaker 1: Hennessey that we've had to get past years later. Huh.
Speaker 1: So you think you think it was just the booze
Speaker 1: that I think it was an alcohol that gave him
Speaker 1: the confidence to go through with the plane. Okay, okay,
Speaker 1: So you think that he was using it as liquid
Speaker 1: courage another time and us going to stage. And I
Speaker 1: don't think Taylor, people watching you. I watched the recap
Speaker 1: of that VMA. Taylor doesn't seem all that surprise what's
Speaker 1: going But I don't know how surprised you could seem.
Speaker 1: But Taylor, I don't know. It seems like a well
Speaker 1: orchestrated plan for the most famous artists of the time
Speaker 1: at the moment to just walk on stage and be
Speaker 1: like So, I guess that's that's what makes me curious, right,
Speaker 1: is because you're saying it's staged, and I'm wondering how staged?
Speaker 1: Are we talking in a way that are you suggesting
Speaker 1: that everybody was in on it? Every single party involved
Speaker 1: in this knew what was happening. Are there certain people
Speaker 1: that were like they only talked to Kanye, and Kanye
Speaker 1: had to get drunk to build up the courage and
Speaker 1: squeeze on Amber Rose's ass, just you know whatever it
Speaker 1: took away, Yeah for that. You know, I don't know
Speaker 1: what Taylor had popping off at the time. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't recall which video she won the v n
Speaker 1: A for. Was it Bad Blood? No, this is way
Speaker 1: before Bad Blood. I think this is during her fearless stage.
Speaker 1: I hate that I know the answer to this. So
Speaker 1: you were so watch your goddamn mouth. This is for
Speaker 1: love story. So I think like if that being the case,
Speaker 1: that being the case, I would even go so far
Speaker 1: as to say maybe it was Taylor who might have
Speaker 1: had this plot m Kanye. Kanye said on Famous, I
Speaker 1: made that bitch famous, And I gotta be honest, I
Speaker 1: didn't know who Taylor was before that, and wow, did you?
Speaker 1: I I'm from I'm from Colorado. I wasn't. I wasn't
Speaker 1: on on the Taylor Swift team before that, and I'm
Speaker 1: not on the Tail Swift team now. But I'm just
Speaker 1: saying like, I wasn't very aware. I knew every Kanye
Speaker 1: song up until that moment happened, and I did away,
Speaker 1: But Kanye was a objectively much more established artist. By
Speaker 1: that point, Taylor was on a hell of a run,
Speaker 1: I think, but in the in the way that like
Speaker 1: beat Ts is on a hell of a run and
Speaker 1: I don't know who those motherfucker's are. Sure, yeah, he
Speaker 1: doesn't like show. Well that frankly was intentional this entire time.
Speaker 1: But you know, here we are. Here's here's my question.
Speaker 1: Here's my question. If it was in fact that Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift plot. Do you think she was open for anybody
Speaker 1: and Kanye was just like the spider that fell into
Speaker 1: the web or like, do you think she was like,
Speaker 1: I just need somebody to come and make a spectacle
Speaker 1: on my win, or do you think she called out
Speaker 1: Kanye West specifically? I think it had to have been
Speaker 1: Kanye because he was the most famous and it was
Speaker 1: so in character for him, the Spas and an award show, uh,
Speaker 1: the Amazing Spas that the Grammys before that, and for him,
Speaker 1: I think Taylor was like, it's gotta be Kanye. He's
Speaker 1: the only person who could do this, and he's got
Speaker 1: a point to Beyonce, the only person whose video you
Speaker 1: could say is better and you you can't say, oh,
Speaker 1: he's wrong. And then that put a little Hennessey in
Speaker 1: that in that glass of his boom. I think he
Speaker 1: was straight from the bottle hand, to be honest, it
Speaker 1: was holding by the neck. From what I remember, he
Speaker 1: had a hand titty in one hand and a bottle
Speaker 1: of hennay and the other was a dream that evening. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's also like the beginning of the end
Speaker 1: for everybody. That's how it starts. And another that's gonna
Speaker 1: be a great opening shot for your movie, Lenks, and whenever,
Speaker 1: whenever you have a movie about your life, it's gotta
Speaker 1: be you splayed out with a titty in one hand. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's me about You're wondering how I got here? Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift playing in the background. They would be beautiful man. Yeah, so,
Speaker 1: I uh, just to recap a little bit of the
Speaker 1: evening for our listeners. Kanye shows up with Amber Rows.
Speaker 1: They're like very publicly dating and going through like a
Speaker 1: ship ton of PDA that evening. You know, they get
Speaker 1: crazy drunk in the seats. And then somehow when Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift is being awarded I think it was Video of
Speaker 1: the Year or something in relation to Video of the Year,
Speaker 1: and Olivia sent it it's it's you belong to me
Speaker 1: or with me, excuse me, that is the the awarded
Speaker 1: song that evening or video that evening. And then Kanye
Speaker 1: as Taylor is sort of like weeping over her successes.
Speaker 1: Storms of Stage says, you know this ain't uh, no offense,
Speaker 1: no disrespect to you, Taylor. I'm sure you're great, but
Speaker 1: Beyonce had the best video of all time and then
Speaker 1: shrunks as you meant, Jen, and so for you, given
Speaker 1: the fact that Kanye is the more famous person, is
Speaker 1: more established, you're saying the real potential benefitter of this
Speaker 1: situation is Taylor Swift. Taylor Swift, and she did benefit
Speaker 1: greatly from that. Obama called Kanye a jackass for doing
Speaker 1: that thing, and which means he thinks of tail Swift
Speaker 1: and a sympathetic light. Yeah, what's more famous. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm sure Obama was listening to the tail Swift because
Speaker 1: of Sasha and Malia when he was when they were
Speaker 1: when tail Swift was popping off. But what better platform?
Speaker 1: And he that was a conversation for weeks afterwards. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and to your point, it's not a conversation that that
Speaker 1: felt out of line for Kanye. Conversations like people had
Speaker 1: been calling him the jackass all the way back to
Speaker 1: when he was like advocating for Katrina victims and ship.
Speaker 1: So it's not like this was like a world he
Speaker 1: couldn't live in. But Taylor, to your point, remains a
Speaker 1: cuteie pie who gets to keep sort of progressing as
Speaker 1: like the budding new famous face in America. If there's
Speaker 1: one thing I know about hyper famous people is that
Speaker 1: they can control what's said about them in the news,
Speaker 1: which means if Taylor, I mean, if Kanye wanted that
Speaker 1: story out or if Taylor wanted that story squash or whatever,
Speaker 1: they could have they could have killed it, or if
Speaker 1: they wanted it to be made bigger news, they could
Speaker 1: have made it made it bigger news. So like if
Speaker 1: that was the if that that was like the jumping
Speaker 1: off point for like a well executed media plan to
Speaker 1: take Taylor from what does you Belong with Me? Too
Speaker 1: Bad Blood to you know, billions of dollars and sold
Speaker 1: out towards the point where she's suing a private equity
Speaker 1: company to get a platform back, like he became huge
Speaker 1: because of that and kind of So so here's the
Speaker 1: question I have for you, Because Okay, if this is
Speaker 1: to benefit Taylor, and Taylor is the main benefitter of
Speaker 1: this situation. Is MTV the one that's sort of like
Speaker 1: masterminds this or just Taylor and her team do it
Speaker 1: and then presented as like, here's our pitch, you trying
Speaker 1: to get in on this ship. I mean, that's a
Speaker 1: that's something I hadn't considered. But having worked behind the
Speaker 1: scenes that awards shows before, you and I both know
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot we can pitch, and there's a
Speaker 1: lot we can control, a lot we can make happen.
Speaker 1: I don't know if the minds that the v n
Speaker 1: as would have been brilliant enough to orchestrate something like that,
Speaker 1: but I do know that I do know. I do
Speaker 1: know that they have some heavy hitters on that staff
Speaker 1: from time to time. So I don't know who was
Speaker 1: right and then. But I'm sure if you went through
Speaker 1: that list of writers that were underpaid for that show,
Speaker 1: what if Eric Andre was on that staff, that that's
Speaker 1: definitely Eric Andre's cast, you know. Yeah, I don't feel
Speaker 1: like I don't feel like the VMA has had anything
Speaker 1: to do with it. I think it was I think
Speaker 1: it was I think they were rogue. I think I've
Speaker 1: only I've only worked on one Awards show, but it
Speaker 1: seems like Secure is lax as far as like bum
Speaker 1: rushing the stage right, Apparently that's like that's like a
Speaker 1: very easy we say, we're gonna do what we do it.
Speaker 1: I don't think because then MTV. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think they had any part of it. I don't.
Speaker 1: I don't think they had anything to gain or lose
Speaker 1: from it. I think it was like I think, I
Speaker 1: think it was just Taylor's idea. Namn Now, I'm in
Speaker 1: it now, I really do. The more I talked about it,
Speaker 1: the more I think. I do believe. I think it
Speaker 1: was a Taylor Kanye West plan. And you're right. He
Speaker 1: honked a titty, he took a shot, and then he
Speaker 1: rushed the stage. Maybe he like forgot his role for
Speaker 1: a second. He was at the bar drinking and said,
Speaker 1: I gotta go interrupt Hill. Damn it time, I'll keep
Speaker 1: the bottle. Let me take the bottle with I do
Speaker 1: love BORI that your instinct is to stand up for
Speaker 1: the Viacom corporation. They're good. I drink it and they're
Speaker 1: paying me for it. U. I mean, I don't. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past MTV because I mean, David, I think, uh,
Speaker 1: to counter your point, that clip was repaid, replayed a
Speaker 1: billion time. I think MTV also milked it for as
Speaker 1: long as I could, like in terms of how much
Speaker 1: news they got after that. This was this was back
Speaker 1: before they were dead, you know, so people were still
Speaker 1: watching that ship and uh to think maybe maybe MTV
Speaker 1: pitched at the Telle like, hey, we got this idea
Speaker 1: will be kind of crazy, and Tales like sure, just
Speaker 1: like I don't want to know how it happens. I
Speaker 1: don't know when it's who's what's gonna happen, how it's
Speaker 1: gonna happen. But well, you think MTV was the mastermind.
Speaker 1: I don't think they were the mastermind, but I I
Speaker 1: wouldn't put it past them. I still think I still
Speaker 1: think it might have come from Taylor's camp or Taylor's
Speaker 1: camp was like we need something crazy to happen. This
Speaker 1: VMA is not going to be enough because honestly, someone
Speaker 1: wins the VMA is like, all right, what's the VMA anyway?
Speaker 1: But then Kiny is like, you don't deserve your VMA.
Speaker 1: Now suddenly it feels like a coveted trophy that that
Speaker 1: we have to fight over, because man, that movement is
Speaker 1: worth a lot. Did I listen, I'm not gonna upset
Speaker 1: the bee Hive. Just a sweet angel who never hurt nobody.
Speaker 1: She wasn't even that was the line. Must be as acting,
Speaker 1: not not Beyonce. Maybe maybe was like you gotta Kanye.
Speaker 1: But beyond that, do you think it just to continue
Speaker 1: down this train? Do you think that that even if
Speaker 1: Beyonce was a neutral party in this, there were other
Speaker 1: people aware. I won't say Beyonce, Let's say it was Jay,
Speaker 1: Let's say it was other people in the room. Do
Speaker 1: you think that other people were aware of the possibility,
Speaker 1: did that this was going to happen? Or was it
Speaker 1: truly closed door conversation? Nobody knows what's in this bombs everybody.
Speaker 1: I think, knowing who Kanye West is as a person,
Speaker 1: there's no way he didn't not tell people that this
Speaker 1: is about to happen. And uh, people like, no, kind
Speaker 1: it's a bad it's a bad look for you. He's like,
Speaker 1: I don't need you. I go. Yeah, I got my
Speaker 1: dog liquor my leather outfit. Yeah, he was whiling a lot.
Speaker 1: He was. We forget he was wearing a leather shirt
Speaker 1: and he had a crazy haircut. He was doing it all.
Speaker 1: That's why this far didn't show up in Genius. He
Speaker 1: was like, hey, man, I don't need y'all get the
Speaker 1: funk out of here, put your cam quarter away. I'm
Speaker 1: not out of here. I'm not. No, I don't. I
Speaker 1: don't think his I don't think uh. I definitely think
Speaker 1: his camp probably had knowledge from him blaring about it,
Speaker 1: and they'd probably be told him not do it, and
Speaker 1: he's like, I'll show you all he's not technically wrong.
Speaker 1: I will. I will say that that often is the
Speaker 1: biggest challenge with conspiracy theories that come up, and and
Speaker 1: is the the part that becomes so heavily debated, is
Speaker 1: like keeping secrets. This is truly the hardest thing for
Speaker 1: human beings to do, maybe on the on the planet Earth,
Speaker 1: like we're fucking awful at it. Consistently everybody's telling somebody
Speaker 1: something right, And so when they say like, oh, there's
Speaker 1: fucking aliens and you know in in Roswell or the
Speaker 1: nine eleven was an inside job, the critique that always
Speaker 1: comes up is who amongst all these potentially hundreds of
Speaker 1: thousands of participants is able to like, how do you
Speaker 1: keep that many people from talking shit? Do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? I hear you. Maybe it was just
Speaker 1: in the room. Maybe it was in the green room
Speaker 1: like a few hours before they told oh, maybe even
Speaker 1: working up the cars the whole time. Right, So this
Speaker 1: this wasn't necessarily a week's out pitch. This was like,
Speaker 1: hey baby, good night, But uh, I got I got
Speaker 1: a way to make this mad boy sing. You know
Speaker 1: what I mean? If I mean what you're saying is true,
Speaker 1: people can't keep secrets. They probably pitched Kanye this idea
Speaker 1: when he walks into the room, when a man, we
Speaker 1: got this crazy, crazy thing we need you to do
Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift. He's like, all right, and if if
Speaker 1: we're gonna play the game, and I know you guys
Speaker 1: are much more on the side that Taylor Swift is
Speaker 1: sort of the mastermind of this, but if we're going
Speaker 1: to play the game that this was an MTV pitch,
Speaker 1: it could be as easy as I'm going And you
Speaker 1: know we're about to snub Beyonce and offering that to
Speaker 1: an already mentally unstable dude Off Hennessey, He's gonna do
Speaker 1: what he already does. You almost think it's like a
Speaker 1: reality TV play they put They were like, damn that
Speaker 1: Hennessey looks cold. The bottle of sweating. I got another
Speaker 1: check it on. You might got to make a move.
Speaker 1: He got the cuts in his head. Oh yeah, it
Speaker 1: was prime, It was prim ready. Maybe he was gonna
Speaker 1: say something wild that night. Yeah, he wasn't gonna politely
Speaker 1: go home that evening. So yeah, we're gonna prompt whatever
Speaker 1: that is. You don't go out with that haircut in
Speaker 1: a leather shirt not fixing to say something crazy to somebody.
Speaker 1: Dog the fact that he made it. What was that
Speaker 1: two thirds of the way into the show before impressive?
Speaker 1: I want to say something crazy thinking about it? Who
Speaker 1: runs the media? David? Are you still there? Help me? Okay,
Speaker 1: So Kanye potentially is prompted, he's coached into this thing.
Speaker 1: Do you think and this will be my final question
Speaker 1: before we head off the break, but do you think
Speaker 1: that Kanye recognized the benefits for himself? Like if his
Speaker 1: team is going, hey, we don't think this is a
Speaker 1: good idea, If anybody in his life it's going, hey, Kanye,
Speaker 1: chill grow, it's not worth it. What what is he
Speaker 1: seeing as the growth that can come out of this decision.
Speaker 1: I think Kanye kind of enjoys being a heal from
Speaker 1: time to time, and it might have been one of
Speaker 1: those he'll turn moments for him in between albums. Killing
Speaker 1: got no hardcore press happening whatsoever. Like eight Awaits isn't
Speaker 1: universally loved the way he expected it to be. He's
Speaker 1: just going through some ship. He wants have bought some steam,
Speaker 1: and uh, he don't. I don't think he sees the benefits,
Speaker 1: but I don't think he sees the harm. I think
Speaker 1: he's just like you already hate my guests what I
Speaker 1: was gonna hate. He's gonna hite me where it loves me.
Speaker 1: He's gonna love me and it keeps me in the
Speaker 1: news for another year before the greatest hip hop album
Speaker 1: of all time arguably comes out. Yeah. If I know
Speaker 1: that I'm about I'm sitting on like truly my uh
Speaker 1: my masterpiece. I'll act up a little bit. You can
Speaker 1: hit so you could slap somebody. Very deeming album, you know, Yeah,
Speaker 1: you could really come for a time there was ever
Speaker 1: a time to slender a pop star. That's when you
Speaker 1: know you got runaway. Oh man, all right, well this
Speaker 1: is all very enlightening. I would say, I'm excited to
Speaker 1: get into this research. We're gonna take a break. We'll
Speaker 1: be back with Morning Match. Buttel more, my mama told me,
Speaker 1: and we are. We're not gonna let Joe Biden and
Speaker 1: Kamala Harris cut America's meet. That's that on that, that's
Speaker 1: that on that. Yeah, we're back here when Morning meshed.
Speaker 1: But tell more, my mama told me. We're still talking
Speaker 1: about the possibility that Kanye and Taylor Swift's feud was
Speaker 1: was a ruse. It was a long con to benefit
Speaker 1: mostly Taylor Swift. But but Kanye got his blessings out
Speaker 1: of it and maybe Beyonce too. Do you think Beyonce
Speaker 1: benefited from from whatever this was? Everything that is the
Speaker 1: gravity of Beyonce. Ye, No bad things happened to Beyonce.
Speaker 1: Everything bad that tries to happen that Beyonce has turned
Speaker 1: into good for Beyonce. Damn, what a nice life for
Speaker 1: for that. Uh that robot lady, that's really sweet. Frien. Damn,
Speaker 1: I'm dead too. Come to Winnipeg. They'll never find you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can be saving Winnipeg. I started my research by
Speaker 1: by truly just going directly off of your phrasing of
Speaker 1: like the feud was staged. And I found this blog
Speaker 1: from somewhere called Saving Country Music dot Com, which is
Speaker 1: already a beautiful start to Yes, commun's right up there
Speaker 1: with peer reviewed articles is Saving Country Music dot Com.
Speaker 1: But this is a person the blogger did a deep
Speaker 1: dive into their belief that this was in fact a
Speaker 1: stage event. There they sort of start this argument by saying,
Speaker 1: there is a history of staged events and staged antics
Speaker 1: from the MTV Video Awards that already they've already been
Speaker 1: doing to boost their ratings. Right. One of the examples
Speaker 1: they point to, I don't know if you guys remember this,
Speaker 1: but there was that two thousand and eight quote unquote
Speaker 1: incident where Sasha Baron Cohen as Bruno flies into the
Speaker 1: awards show on like high fly wire cables whatever and
Speaker 1: then ends up uh sixty nine ng on top of Eminem.
Speaker 1: They basically the wires, the wires fall down, He ends
Speaker 1: up landing in Eminem's crotch, with his crotch and Eminem's face.
Speaker 1: A bunch of Eminem's sort of like entourage at that
Speaker 1: time snatches them up and they're like pushing him and
Speaker 1: ship and then Eminem and his people leave the evening,
Speaker 1: and this was at the time a controversial moment where
Speaker 1: we're all like, hey, that's crazy that happened. I can't
Speaker 1: believe that happened to Eminem. It's impossible kind of thing.
Speaker 1: It was the the green thing, that green like one
Speaker 1: piece swimsuit that Bruno always bore. No, that's bor at Bruno.
Speaker 1: He was in rings. Yeah, and he had angel wings
Speaker 1: and a thong on when he's sixty nine. The almost
Speaker 1: it wasn't not that, Yeah, I mean that I don't
Speaker 1: re pretty close. Was that was that proven to be
Speaker 1: true or was that actual thing that they did or
Speaker 1: was that a hoax? So so to to the original question,
Speaker 1: it was a pretty big deal. Apparently. I don't remember
Speaker 1: it very well either, although when I rewatched it, I
Speaker 1: did something clicked where I'm like, I remember this being
Speaker 1: a thing, But uh, no, mess to your question, it
Speaker 1: was completely a hoax. So Scott Ackerman, you know Scott
Speaker 1: because he wrote on those same awards with us. Uh
Speaker 1: Scott was, I guess the head writer of the that
Speaker 1: Awards season. And for weeks people would only ask questions
Speaker 1: about that incident because it seemed as if Eminem had
Speaker 1: stormed off in a huff, and then it got so
Speaker 1: I guess sort of like annoying to have to answer
Speaker 1: questions about it that he eventually admitted like a y'all,
Speaker 1: we rehearsed it before it even happened. It's clearly a hoax.
Speaker 1: And then you watch it again and it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: this couldn't have been more stage. They had cameras in
Speaker 1: the aisle prepared to watch Eminem like click like walk out,
Speaker 1: and he's like bad acting, so you can tell he's
Speaker 1: you know, not really upset. Also, no one shot Bruno. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they would have been got. That would have been like
Speaker 1: the one person in Eminem's possitively definitely was caring and
Speaker 1: definitely had the license to go to jail for a
Speaker 1: while because yeah, you know, like that he's got one
Speaker 1: of those people in his crew. And I feel like
Speaker 1: all of what was that? That what you have a
Speaker 1: shooter for in case a German sixty nine on accident.
Speaker 1: I feel like all of D twelve is either dead
Speaker 1: or in jail at this point because of that exact reason. So,
Speaker 1: because of Eminem's rightful homophobia in that situation, after years
Speaker 1: of wrong for homophobus. He finally got one right, Man,
Speaker 1: lands on you wearing angel wings and the thong and
Speaker 1: sixty nine you Yes, you can be afraid, you can
Speaker 1: push up a little bit it. I think that's okay.
Speaker 1: It's just sixty nine of both mouth stone engage. All right.
Speaker 1: Now we're asking I think, uh, more pontificating questions, more
Speaker 1: philosophical ones. I guess if we're going on this tangent,
Speaker 1: I feel like once the number sixty nine is somehow emulated,
Speaker 1: it becomes a sixty nine situation. The act of executing
Speaker 1: sixty nine can't be done without both mouth open. But
Speaker 1: I think once you're in the position, it's a physical Yes,
Speaker 1: it's like sixty nine rising. There we go. I like that, Okay,
Speaker 1: I love just like calm. Okay, this was a question
Speaker 1: that I've been looming in your spirit for quite a while. Now, boy,
Speaker 1: you asked no rhetorical questions. But if so, if Eminembo's
Speaker 1: in on it, that's right. I wouldn't put it back.
Speaker 1: If eminem isn't on the for lack of better term,
Speaker 1: gayest he's ever been involved in, I wouldn't put it
Speaker 1: past Taylor to have a slightly or very drunk Kanye
Speaker 1: West just come on stage and rattle her a little bit.
Speaker 1: But to be fair that that that's far more whimsical.
Speaker 1: The sixty nine is like kind of silly and funny.
Speaker 1: That's not like, hey, fuck you, young Starlett Beyonce is
Speaker 1: the greatest ever. I'm ways like the other one seems
Speaker 1: like it has a much darker it's it's it feels
Speaker 1: a lot darker. It feels more malicious for show. So
Speaker 1: so I'll point to another example that this blogger brought up,
Speaker 1: which is the two thousand three kiss between Britney Spears, Madonna,
Speaker 1: and Christina Aguilera, which similarly became like this big, insane
Speaker 1: sort of like incident. Remember this is in the middle
Speaker 1: of the Iraq War and we're still we spent almost
Speaker 1: a year talking about these three ladies tongue kissing. And
Speaker 1: one of the things that I sort of pulled from
Speaker 1: this was this is obviously rehearsed right there, not this.
Speaker 1: They're not presenting this as if like, oh, what a
Speaker 1: spontaneous moment where we're just gonna make out with each other.
Speaker 1: But part of what they're suggesting is the fallout from
Speaker 1: the other people in the room was more the the
Speaker 1: stunt and the staging, or rather lack of staging that's
Speaker 1: being presented to the audience. If people being shocked that
Speaker 1: Brittian Madonna like a well specifically uh, Justin timber Lake
Speaker 1: in the wake of their Brittney Spears and his split
Speaker 1: when they kiss and I went and rewatched it and
Speaker 1: it's one of my favorite things that I've gotten to
Speaker 1: rewatch in recent history. But they make out and they
Speaker 1: don't even get a chance, and it's so crazy. They
Speaker 1: don't even show Christina Aguilera kissing Madonna because they cut
Speaker 1: to Justin timber Lake too quickly to gauge his reaction
Speaker 1: to what's happening. So you don't even get to see
Speaker 1: all three of them kiss be as you just start
Speaker 1: watching fucking Justin timber like, look real sad while he
Speaker 1: was getting slobbed down by Madonna slobbed down down? When
Speaker 1: did when did Janet Jackson's titty pop out? Oh? That
Speaker 1: was oh good question. This gotta be around the time
Speaker 1: right that was I was in high school. I want
Speaker 1: to say it was two thousand four. I think it
Speaker 1: was after the Brittany kiss, but I'm not a hundred person.
Speaker 1: Olivia just had two thousand four is the super Bowl
Speaker 1: two thousand four? Yeah, all right, I still got it.
Speaker 1: If that if do you think that was staged? I
Speaker 1: think that was stage two? Do you think so? I
Speaker 1: mean Justin really left her out in the cold pretty
Speaker 1: quick though on that literally are figuredly or or both both?
Speaker 1: Like if it, if it was staged? Were they not
Speaker 1: planning on that backlash? Because that ship happened and he
Speaker 1: just like watched his hands and like stuff back. Who
Speaker 1: needed it more? Who needed a titty out more at
Speaker 1: the time? I don't think. I guess I'll take the
Speaker 1: the negative on this. I don't think that Janet's team
Speaker 1: wanted that. No, it was so bad for her so fast. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I I do think there's some possibility that like Justin's
Speaker 1: team could have like constructed this and wanted some version
Speaker 1: of what happened, because it truly didn't hurt Justin Timberlake
Speaker 1: at all until black women asked for accountability like last year,
Speaker 1: but like up through every other time, Justin thrived. He
Speaker 1: fucking his best albums came after that ship. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean about exactly, That's what you did. That's what
Speaker 1: I mean about WHOA. Now we're starting to see a
Speaker 1: theme here. It's making me a little nervous. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: have some test run, but I did he in your
Speaker 1: hand and say something. Wold see if that changes your career.
Speaker 1: You finally found me, brother, Yeah, you just do the
Speaker 1: one rules. You can't wish for more titties. You gotta
Speaker 1: pacify in his mouth the whole time. So so to
Speaker 1: the larger point, some could argue that this, this incident
Speaker 1: of Brittany and Madonna specifically making out, did huge ship
Speaker 1: for for Justine's career. Crimea River had just come out.
Speaker 1: He had just sort of like introduced himself as like
Speaker 1: this new you know, I'm in solo artists, I'm not
Speaker 1: part of in Sync anymore, whatever, whatever, and then this
Speaker 1: elevates him into a much more I guess uh sympathetic
Speaker 1: figure to some extent, because up to then we didn't
Speaker 1: know why they split up. But now this bitch is
Speaker 1: making out with Madonna and he's got a song being
Speaker 1: like she hurt my feelings. Oh boy, look I mean
Speaker 1: that you said. I think you said the key phrase
Speaker 1: or just makes them a sympathetic figure. Mm hmm. Taylor's
Speaker 1: made a sympathy the most sympathetic figure you could possibly
Speaker 1: imagine Uh in front of millions of people, and there's
Speaker 1: no way that Taylor's team, even even if it was
Speaker 1: not stage, which I still think it is, there's no
Speaker 1: way in the back of Taylor's dressing or whatever her
Speaker 1: publicist isn't going yes now that that tem percent just
Speaker 1: turned into a lot of a lot of money, you know,
Speaker 1: Like it's it's crazy how that there's no such thing
Speaker 1: as bad press and that every famous person knows that.
Speaker 1: So for Taylor to just Taylor definitely one in that situation.
Speaker 1: And so if these MTV cases are any inclination, it's
Speaker 1: like they've definitely been studied by these people, like, oh,
Speaker 1: this is how this happened for Uh, justin this is
Speaker 1: what happened for M and m'll it'll do the same
Speaker 1: thing for us. For Taylor, this can't hurt us. So
Speaker 1: buckle up, sister, because you just got You just elevated
Speaker 1: yourself in a way that you didn't even realize. And
Speaker 1: I think probably seven famous came out. That's probably like
Speaker 1: the statue limitations or like the NBA died after that
Speaker 1: and kind of just went right. All right, I can
Speaker 1: finally write my poems about this bitch now. So one
Speaker 1: of the things that you're pointing to, which I think
Speaker 1: ends up coming up a bunch of the blog, is
Speaker 1: that they actually talked about a fact, the fact rather
Speaker 1: that Taylor had incidents in the past where she had
Speaker 1: already staged reaction videos. Specifically, they talk about two thousand nine,
Speaker 1: before the MTV Awards, there was actually a video that
Speaker 1: Taylor posted online when the c m A announcements are happening.
Speaker 1: So the Country Music Award announcements are happening, and she
Speaker 1: puts together this video where she's like sitting in her
Speaker 1: cozy bedroom with her mom and her friends nearby, and
Speaker 1: it's eight thirty in the morning. They're still in their pj's,
Speaker 1: but they just couldn't sleep because they're so excited to
Speaker 1: see the announcement of the CMA nominees. And she's cuddling
Speaker 1: her puppy and she she can't wait. And they say
Speaker 1: that this is completely staged. And part of the reason
Speaker 1: that they say at stage is because that year Taylor
Speaker 1: Swift told sold ten million albums. She had sold ten
Speaker 1: million records, which meant there was absolutely no way the
Speaker 1: biggest artist in the world wasn't gonna get nominated for
Speaker 1: the Country Music Awards, like it's all fraudulent, which means
Speaker 1: that if you're willing to do that, are you willing
Speaker 1: to take it a step further? Yeah, I've always considered
Speaker 1: Taylor to make the jump, Like every step of her
Speaker 1: career has been super super calculated, right, Like she tried
Speaker 1: to do it in country music, figure figured out she
Speaker 1: could pivot and like took that turn. I I completely believe,
Speaker 1: I completely believe that that that doesn't seemed crazy to
Speaker 1: me at all. I'm not gon say mad at her. Um,
Speaker 1: you know, cold calculating, conniving, billionaire or whatever she is
Speaker 1: now is a fine thing to be. It's just a
Speaker 1: wild step to take, yeah, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 1: to be an artist and then also marketing genius, you know,
Speaker 1: especially on your first album, to be able to like
Speaker 1: make that level of like jump, it's it's elite, even
Speaker 1: if it's a smart one and intentional one. That is Ah,
Speaker 1: that is a hell of elape for an artist to make.
Speaker 1: She did it, Yeah, go move. So one of the
Speaker 1: things that they also point to in relation to that
Speaker 1: is the fact that if in or rather if in
Speaker 1: fact Taylor did stage this part of what she's doing
Speaker 1: because she sold ten million albums that year. She is
Speaker 1: literally the biggest artist in the world that year, which
Speaker 1: means that only way to re establish this sort of
Speaker 1: underdog positioning that she sort of like keeps herself into
Speaker 1: being like, I'm just a cute girl trying my best
Speaker 1: in making country songs. I don't know what awards are,
Speaker 1: did I win one? Oh my gosh. Is to make
Speaker 1: this mean black man yell at her in front of
Speaker 1: it exactly, this is not physically scary, but I guess
Speaker 1: compared to her scary black man. Yeah, black man wearing
Speaker 1: a leather jacket and teeth marks in his hair. You
Speaker 1: know that that is It's a perfect counterpoint to who
Speaker 1: she is a person, and if that's what she wanted
Speaker 1: to paint herself as she succeeded. He's also the only
Speaker 1: rapper that could have done it without it being a
Speaker 1: much stranger narrative. Ghost ghost Face cann't go on stage.
Speaker 1: If ghost Face doesn't, they go that cocaine salesman is
Speaker 1: attacking that were a white girl. No, they security him. Yeah,
Speaker 1: ghost Face is going up with two bottles. He's going
Speaker 1: He's going up with a bottle of any that he's
Speaker 1: now made into a chain and really just some type
Speaker 1: of Louis robe. So the last little bit I'll get
Speaker 1: I'll throw in before we have our second break is
Speaker 1: that this in fact was not and I'm sure you
Speaker 1: all remember this. This this was not the first time
Speaker 1: that Kanye had stormed a stage that in two thousand six,
Speaker 1: in fact, he had stormed the MTV e Amaze the
Speaker 1: European the Music Awards and interrupted the sort of like
Speaker 1: Video of the Year Awards saying like, hey, this is
Speaker 1: come on, y'all, y'all see what they did. You see
Speaker 1: what I did. I spent a million dollars on my video.
Speaker 1: This is bullshit. Nothing against you personally to European dudes
Speaker 1: who didn't end up becoming big names. But uh, I'm
Speaker 1: Kanye West. I should have won this award. And MTV
Speaker 1: was very aware of his potential to do this, which
Speaker 1: means there were either two things that happened. They're fucking
Speaker 1: idiots and presumed that he wouldn't do it twice, or
Speaker 1: they were fully aware of it and we're comfortable with
Speaker 1: him doing it a second time. It's definitely the second one. Clearly, clearly,
Speaker 1: you give you give a Toddler a gun. You gotta
Speaker 1: expect some consequences. You know, someone's getting shot, you know,
Speaker 1: don't I know? You know something, something was gonna happen.
Speaker 1: They already had experience the first time European MTV en
Speaker 1: as whatever. Definitely just like a testing ground. And maybe
Speaker 1: that wasn't That definitely doesn't sound stage. That sounds like
Speaker 1: Kanye going, Kanye being mad. He spent a million dollars
Speaker 1: and now he's over in goofy As Europe and to
Speaker 1: Swedish she was about to take an award from him?
Speaker 1: Uh back to you? So does that mean maybe he
Speaker 1: could have run point on it? Maybe he could have
Speaker 1: been like, hey, Taylor, I did this ship in Europe
Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. How long prior was that? Right? Six?
Speaker 1: I think I think, Uh, I don't know if I
Speaker 1: don't know if that gives him makes him think he's running,
Speaker 1: makes me think he's running point But I definitely think
Speaker 1: what you were saying, Langston is that it lets MTV
Speaker 1: know that if we need somebody to do something crazy,
Speaker 1: we know who to call. Let's Taylor, No, Connie did
Speaker 1: this ship. We could get Connie to do it. He's
Speaker 1: already got the president, and he's a perfect person to
Speaker 1: do it right. It's it's then making another another Pirates
Speaker 1: of the Caribbean. You know, they know what Johnny Depp does.
Speaker 1: They they know what that controversy brings. I bet you,
Speaker 1: I bet you if you, if you if you think
Speaker 1: if you fingerprinted that Hennessy bottle, Taylor so singer prints
Speaker 1: would be all over that Hennessy bottle. They were, Man,
Speaker 1: that's the that's the smoking gun Heni bottle. Where's that
Speaker 1: at Some pa got paid minimum wage to break that
Speaker 1: bottle into a million little pieces in the alleys somewhere,
Speaker 1: or or the Taylor Swifts CEO has it framed in
Speaker 1: their in their office, the same way Kim and ray
Speaker 1: J have a sex tape the VHS frame somewhere and
Speaker 1: they're all, that's fun. They're just there's just a man
Speaker 1: who makes more money than everybody involved in this being like,
Speaker 1: thank God for Hennessy. Maybe it is. That would be
Speaker 1: a great Hennessy commercial if we're doing work. It worked
Speaker 1: on me. I'm pretty sure I bought a bottle right
Speaker 1: after Man Hennessey gives you bravery sales through the roof. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I want to do this in life. All Right, We're
Speaker 1: gonna take one more break. We'll be back with more
Speaker 1: than Mesh Pateel and more, my mama told me. And
Speaker 1: we are back. Yeah, We're back here with Morning Mesh
Speaker 1: Ptel more. My mama told me. We're still talking about
Speaker 1: the possibility that Kanye West, Taylor Swift, and some very
Speaker 1: smart white man with a lot of money and a
Speaker 1: lot of evil in his heart playing this entire thing
Speaker 1: that the feud is is a fraud and we were
Speaker 1: all tricked by the MTV and Viacom Corporation, which I've
Speaker 1: been tricked by them before, so it doesn't it doesn't
Speaker 1: shock me. Non union. Wait, one week equals five. I
Speaker 1: don't know MTV, so I in in sort of like
Speaker 1: doing this research ended up coming across this article that
Speaker 1: Billboard wrote ten years after the incident, so it probably
Speaker 1: was twenty nineteen, where they actually revealed a bunch of
Speaker 1: things that we didn't know about that evening. And one
Speaker 1: of the things that they talked about new details that
Speaker 1: sort of emerged from this where producers came forward and
Speaker 1: said that when after the incident transpired, after Kanye goes
Speaker 1: on stage says what he says, Taylor Swift is sort
Speaker 1: of shocked. Beyonce was actually backstage crying. Producers say that
Speaker 1: they found Beyonce with Matthew Knows backstage crying over what
Speaker 1: had transpired, saying she felt so bad for Taylor. And
Speaker 1: then this is a crazy part these sort of like
Speaker 1: lead dude in charge goes to Beyonce and tells her
Speaker 1: that she is actually going to win the big the
Speaker 1: biggest award of the night. Beyonce was planning on leaving
Speaker 1: befo were any of the things finished, and they go
Speaker 1: a chill, We're actually gonna win. And what a magical
Speaker 1: moment it would be if you brought Taylor on stage,
Speaker 1: shouted her out and gave her the moment that was
Speaker 1: taken from her. I mean, that's the nail on the
Speaker 1: coffin to me. Yeah, you know. It was also a
Speaker 1: very smart producer to realize the opportunity that is presented
Speaker 1: for Taylor Swift if if it wasn't planned, that's a
Speaker 1: very smart producer. But knowing MTV, you know, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure if they've got the on their feet thinker minds
Speaker 1: that they would think, let's get Taylor on with Beyonce. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that confirms to me. That confirms to me Beyonce is
Speaker 1: gonna win. Beyonce has just been shouted out by Kanye
Speaker 1: washed sitting on tails. It's all too perfect, man, it's
Speaker 1: all too perfect's too nice. It's it's a it's a
Speaker 1: real well knit sweater here, you know. Yeah, it feels
Speaker 1: very it feels very naive on Beyonce. Like I just
Speaker 1: don't see her playing it like that. Oh you're not
Speaker 1: even buying that. She was back there crying and ship. Oh,
Speaker 1: I like you said, robot lady. You think I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm so I one of you known to be so
Speaker 1: flustered she couldn't do her job right. Yeah. She she
Speaker 1: got off that elevator and uh looked gathered as fun. Yeah,
Speaker 1: she's like that ship glad that she didn't have her sister,
Speaker 1: flought her husband, and she looked like she was at
Speaker 1: at an award show. You know. I gotta get on
Speaker 1: that meditation playing that she's on. I think it's called
Speaker 1: powering Down with Me. It's called sweet mode. So here's
Speaker 1: the the other uh the you know, And I was
Speaker 1: sort of on the fence with a lot of these things,
Speaker 1: but this was the piece that really convinced me that
Speaker 1: you might be onto something here in the mesh with
Speaker 1: with your suggestion is that there have been also staff
Speaker 1: members that came forward. This all came in that Billboard article,
Speaker 1: but staff members came forward and said Kanye wasn't even
Speaker 1: supposed to be sitting at the front of the stage
Speaker 1: that night. He was actually seated eleven Rose back eleven
Speaker 1: Rose back, but was moved mid show because they wanted
Speaker 1: quote unquote more men in front for the camera. Yeah,
Speaker 1: who's ever wanted that? Yeah? Also also that they know
Speaker 1: eleven Rose. There is a lot of Henny steps. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I believe the math is Henny Rose. Yeah, that's a
Speaker 1: long walk if you're on that was Hennis, long enough
Speaker 1: to talk to yourself out of doing some stupid ass
Speaker 1: shit like that. Right, That's that's sort of it's like
Speaker 1: that uh, that fucking uh death move that they do
Speaker 1: and kill Bill. You know, it's like that the fifth step,
Speaker 1: that's the one that gets you eleven Rose. You might
Speaker 1: be able to work your way out of this, but
Speaker 1: your front row, that's you already made your choice. Baby,
Speaker 1: that's eleven rows. By the time you get to the front,
Speaker 1: you realize how bad you gotta pee, Like too much
Speaker 1: stuff happening. That's enough time for people to like stick up.
Speaker 1: Like someone be like, hey, Kanye, come on, somebody sees
Speaker 1: him swinging right like drunkenly sauntering up. Somebody's yeah, no
Speaker 1: one can get even get on an earpiece, and like
Speaker 1: someone stopped Kanye. No one's even doing that, right, I
Speaker 1: feel like eleven ros. Kanye goes, hey, should I be
Speaker 1: wearing leather? I'm gonna go home. I'm how this out.
Speaker 1: My nipples are cheap, right, It's switching the whole time.
Speaker 1: This is just adding more points to this was all
Speaker 1: one giant conspiracy man. Yeah, and this one that was
Speaker 1: the one that sort of sold me in into the
Speaker 1: whole thing. And as you mentioned before, this sort of
Speaker 1: argument of the Kanye whatever turning them into heroes, blah
Speaker 1: blah blah. It goes on for a while. This feud
Speaker 1: is made more complicated though, when the debate about the
Speaker 1: song Famous, which came out in Uh sort of pops up.
Speaker 1: I'm sure you guys remember this debate where Kanye in
Speaker 1: the song says I made that bitch famous, and then
Speaker 1: Taylor comes forward and says, how dare you speak of
Speaker 1: me that way? I'm a I'm a nice young lady.
Speaker 1: I should not be called a bit. And then Kim
Speaker 1: Kardashian comes forward and says Taylor had already consented to
Speaker 1: the lyrics of the song and she had record of it.
Speaker 1: And then those records get released and it becomes an
Speaker 1: even messier conversation because Taylor does in fact laugh when
Speaker 1: Kanye is like, yeah, I could still funk Taylor Swift whatever,
Speaker 1: but he doesn't actually tell her that he's gonna call
Speaker 1: her a bit in the song. He says, I made
Speaker 1: that I made her famous in the song, right, So
Speaker 1: was Taylor saying that was Taylor, I've heard the lyrics
Speaker 1: before that I'm fine with it. We we've gone past
Speaker 1: that funny thing that we did before. And then she
Speaker 1: came out saying, I'm so shocked that stood. So Taylor
Speaker 1: Taylor did I think some classic white woman ship where
Speaker 1: she the first response she had was how offensive this
Speaker 1: song is. I'm shocked that he would do this. This
Speaker 1: is wrong. And then Kim was like, bitch, we already
Speaker 1: played you the song, or we we told you the
Speaker 1: lyrics of the song rather, and we have it on tape.
Speaker 1: And then those tapes got released and Taylor goes, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I did consent to this part of the song, but
Speaker 1: it was being called a bit that I took issue with,
Speaker 1: and I never consent to do that. Kim then goes, yes,
Speaker 1: you did, but then the record show she did not,
Speaker 1: in fact consent to be calling a bit. Who's who's
Speaker 1: got these records? That's the crazy part, right, is that
Speaker 1: that no one to this day knows who released the
Speaker 1: video of them sort of having this phone conversation. There
Speaker 1: we go, Now, okay, now we're playing tell me more.
Speaker 1: I'm listening on I don't you think she does anything
Speaker 1: that's not recorded? Sure? Yeah, yeah, come on, it's all
Speaker 1: this massiveminded, calculated thing. I wouldn't be surprised if ten
Speaker 1: years from now we found out Kim was behind the
Speaker 1: Kanye ship that Kanye interrupted Taylor Swift like, obviously, I'm kidding,
Speaker 1: but I wouldn't if that, if that came out, I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be surprised. Don't you walk this back, you coward.
Speaker 1: You know I understand me. I am also nervous to
Speaker 1: talk about the mighty Kardashian empire. Yeah, I just think
Speaker 1: if Kim is showing receipts, then it's all been a
Speaker 1: calculated thing, you know, like that All the Power tour,
Speaker 1: She's figured out how to get exactly what needs to
Speaker 1: happen in front like press wise whatever, all the power
Speaker 1: to or for having done that, But it just makes
Speaker 1: me think nothing, none of this is not calculated. And
Speaker 1: it just so happened that Kanye's album was coming out.
Speaker 1: Then oh, let's just record the conversation we have because
Speaker 1: when Kanye's album comes out, we'll have a few more
Speaker 1: things to talk about once the fervor about the album
Speaker 1: dies down. So I think, I think in even if
Speaker 1: you're you're not as masterminding as as they probably are.
Speaker 1: Like in a in a in a not ideal world,
Speaker 1: Taylor goes, I love the lyrics, they're gorgeous. Please release
Speaker 1: the song and it's a charming tidbit you have for
Speaker 1: social media when it comes out. In an imperfect world,
Speaker 1: Taylor goes, that's fucking evil and you're a mean man.
Speaker 1: And then you get to go, bitch, we already told
Speaker 1: you and you're you're a scoundrel too. The psych that's
Speaker 1: another that's another step on the cycle. If you if
Speaker 1: you do the first thing, it's like that's like the
Speaker 1: media cycle only last for one, Oh, Taylor like the song.
Speaker 1: You say, Taylor doesn't like the song? You could do.
Speaker 1: I didn't know what the song was about. Well you did,
Speaker 1: and you could argue about that, and that keeps the
Speaker 1: ship playing the on the airwaves, you know, which is
Speaker 1: exactly how it ended up playing out in real life.
Speaker 1: They released it sort of like week by week we
Speaker 1: discovered new information about what they knew and didn't knew,
Speaker 1: and who had consented and who hadn't. Ultimately landing on
Speaker 1: you know, a great goddamn song where two artists call
Speaker 1: each other bitches and say they would suck each other
Speaker 1: off and stuff. Well, that's it. I think we did it.
Speaker 1: I don't. I think you know. The big takeaway, if
Speaker 1: I if I can land one, is that whether or
Speaker 1: not this was in fact officially staged, everybody benefited and
Speaker 1: probably has learned how to stage stuff for the future.
Speaker 1: I took notes. Yeah, Step one Hennessy. Step one is titty.
Speaker 1: Step two is Hennessy. What happens after that is up
Speaker 1: to the tity, and you know that the cities in
Speaker 1: Hennessey do the work. After that, there's a self driving
Speaker 1: car after that. Well, this is great Nemesicould you tell
Speaker 1: the people where they can find you on? What cool
Speaker 1: ship do you have going on? Oh? Thank you man,
Speaker 1: thank you for having me. Yes, you can find my
Speaker 1: special Thank You China on YouTube and you can find
Speaker 1: me on tour. I'll be at a bunch of probably
Speaker 1: at in Atlanta this weekend at Bucket Theater, Wilbur Theater
Speaker 1: next weekend, uh, Seattle, Portland, bunch of theaters there, Hollow
Speaker 1: at Me and DC Warner Theater in November. Uh. But
Speaker 1: check out my special Thank You China on YouTube. Please?
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, watch the special. It's so funny. And go
Speaker 1: see him on tour. That'd be fucking great. And Bory,
Speaker 1: you want to tell the people where they can find you?
Speaker 1: Oh official David Bory. Dot com has got all my dates.
Speaker 1: I'm around, man, Hell yeah, just go to the website
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