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Speaker 1: Welcome back all the smoke baseball. It's been a Bay

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Speaker 1: Area heavy day thus far. All this guy played in

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Speaker 1: the Bay He's from Inglewood World Series Chant. One of

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Speaker 1: the most iconic names in MLB history, is it Tree?

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Speaker 1: Your sister said you look like a character on the

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Speaker 1: cereal box and that's how your name stuck.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, something like that. Well, my grandma used to call

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Speaker 2: me Cole. Okay, sure, and then yeah, the cereal box

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Speaker 2: came in. You know, you're climbing on your siblings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, she got you know, one of the stuck for life.

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Speaker 2: And it's stuck. Well sort of. It was there and

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Speaker 2: then it went away, okay, and then it came back.

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Speaker 1: Man, welcome to the show, Coco, Chris Man, I appreciate you.

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Speaker 1: See why you guys played the same position similar era.

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Speaker 1: What stood out to you about the guy sitting next

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Speaker 1: to us today?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, we we played on the same team

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Speaker 4: for a season as well.

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Speaker 5: And me and Coke in thirteen.

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Speaker 4: I played in Oakland, Okay for a season and had

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Speaker 4: the opportunity to get the know Coke on a personal level.

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Speaker 5: We ran the streets just a little bit.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, as you suld Oakland, the streets really good.

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Speaker 4: It was a good time man. But but as far

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Speaker 4: as a player, it was the defense. It was the

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Speaker 4: fact that it was an error. Where in today's game

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Speaker 4: you have center fielders, but a lot of players are

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Speaker 4: other positions that they start to put in center fielders.

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Speaker 4: You've seen shortstops move to center field. In our era,

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Speaker 4: center fielders were only center fielders. Like it was a

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Speaker 4: specialized position, and Coke was one of the best at it.

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Speaker 4: We can talk about guys who can run the ball down.

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Speaker 4: He was out there in a big outfill in Oakland

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Speaker 4: running them down with the best of them, all the

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Speaker 4: center fielders. It's a small fraternity of us, and we

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Speaker 4: all were connected, and we all admired the art, the

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Speaker 4: it's a lot of good center fielders, So he's very

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Speaker 4: different from Adam Jones, He's very different from Michael barn

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Speaker 4: very different from Matt Kemp. Like it's a whole bunch

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Speaker 4: of different ranges of us, but it's still an appreciation

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Speaker 1: Who inspired you and were you always just field? Did

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Speaker 2: I started off as a shortstop, Okay, yeah, start off

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Speaker 2: You start to realize that it takes a lot to

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Speaker 1: It's crazy because we're all in a similar position that

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Speaker 1: like when you say older, that's who we are. But

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Speaker 1: it just feels like yesterday we were the young, like

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Speaker 2: Just retired, I mean and soul. I'm still I'm still

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Speaker 1: They be talking so much ship to these kids be

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Speaker 3: My kids don't even call me dad.

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Speaker 1: They call me og like shut your punks.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, my kids called me. I'm like, bro, I'm your dad.

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Speaker 1: But coaching? Coaching your kids in little league? I mean,

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Speaker 2: A lot? You know, it's a learning experience for myself.

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Speaker 3: I still got my kids here. There's seventeen.

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Speaker 1: I keep hearing that too, But hopefully, I just think

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Speaker 1: it's all about the way you present it and how

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm very grateful. You know, even the environment

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Speaker 1: You still got your inglewood curly top though, talking about it, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: And who were some of the guys you looked up to?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we had There was a lot of

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Speaker 2: those programs are huge.

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Speaker 4: I played RBI as well living in Houston. It wasn't

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Speaker 4: When I was young, I thought, you get drafted and

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Speaker 4: And then then pro ball, you get traded to the Indians.

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Speaker 3: He's a big, big dude.

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Speaker 2: Ellis Burks, you know, he wasn't playing. He still wars

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Speaker 2: Risbrands and suited up. It was about getting the game.

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Speaker 4: And as you're finding your way. We all every player

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so we're Anaheim and he was my first strikeout.

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Speaker 5: He was just the young guy.

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Speaker 2: Though he was the young guy, but he was CC.

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Speaker 2: years in the league, a couple of years and doing

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00:21:19,480 --> 00:21:22,080
Speaker 2: it early. And I never wanted already that guy big money,

439
00:21:22,200 --> 00:21:22,760
Speaker 2: big money.

440
00:21:23,280 --> 00:21:26,359
Speaker 4: I want to We'll continue on the baseball side, but

441
00:21:26,520 --> 00:21:29,080
Speaker 4: just on the personal side. What I remember of you

442
00:21:29,640 --> 00:21:33,000
Speaker 4: as the personality of who Coco Chris was. We called

443
00:21:33,040 --> 00:21:35,200
Speaker 4: you Coe Belly at the time before you changed your name,

444
00:21:35,960 --> 00:21:40,639
Speaker 4: But I remember you were the guy that as far

445
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:42,800
Speaker 4: as a baseball player, you saw this with NBA guys

446
00:21:42,800 --> 00:21:45,199
Speaker 4: all the time. You saw this with NFL guys all

447
00:21:45,200 --> 00:21:47,680
Speaker 4: the time. Coche, you had two rolls.

448
00:21:47,760 --> 00:21:49,240
Speaker 3: Royce's boy was living.

449
00:21:49,520 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 5: Did you have two one?

450
00:21:51,400 --> 00:21:51,840
Speaker 2: I have one?

451
00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:52,480
Speaker 5: Just one?

452
00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:53,120
Speaker 2: I want?

453
00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:57,639
Speaker 4: Yeah, Rose Royce, like you was tied into the LA scene.

454
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:01,399
Speaker 4: You knew all the people at the time. It's like

455
00:22:01,560 --> 00:22:06,400
Speaker 4: you were the guy in baseball that still lived somewhat

456
00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:09,000
Speaker 4: of a Hollywood style lifestyle, and I feel like you

457
00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:12,560
Speaker 4: had all the connections to Hollywood at the time. How

458
00:22:12,560 --> 00:22:16,399
Speaker 4: did you get those connections and how much did you

459
00:22:16,480 --> 00:22:21,159
Speaker 4: want to bring that lifestyle into being a baseball player.

460
00:22:21,320 --> 00:22:27,680
Speaker 2: So so yeah, yeah, yeah, good old days. Yeah, party hard,

461
00:22:27,760 --> 00:22:32,240
Speaker 2: play hard. Right, This is how did I get those connections.

462
00:22:32,280 --> 00:22:35,520
Speaker 2: So how I got that connection was I was out

463
00:22:35,720 --> 00:22:38,520
Speaker 2: at I forget what club was in Hollywood on one

464
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:44,520
Speaker 2: night and it was my cousin's birthday, Big Rob, and

465
00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:47,960
Speaker 2: I was like, let's, you know, let's have fun. You know,

466
00:22:48,480 --> 00:22:51,760
Speaker 2: this is a credit card, you know, let's have some fun.

467
00:22:51,960 --> 00:22:55,600
Speaker 2: We had way too much fun, and not to my knowledge,

468
00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:59,320
Speaker 2: like when I got that bill, I could have bought

469
00:22:59,320 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 2: another rose.

470
00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,639
Speaker 3: Oh I was hot that it hurts.

471
00:23:03,760 --> 00:23:06,240
Speaker 2: I was hot. I mean you got champagne flying everywhere.

472
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:08,960
Speaker 2: I'm like, okay, cool, this is fun. I'm having a

473
00:23:08,960 --> 00:23:12,000
Speaker 2: good time. But man, yeah, so that's how I got known.

474
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:15,440
Speaker 2: Because now all the don't don't don't do this to

475
00:23:15,480 --> 00:23:19,239
Speaker 2: get known. This is an accident, okay, But now all

476
00:23:19,280 --> 00:23:22,040
Speaker 2: the promoters or club promoters, they're like, hey, this guy

477
00:23:22,080 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 2: is spending all kinds of money. Let's make sure that

478
00:23:24,840 --> 00:23:27,960
Speaker 2: he gets in, he gets a table. So it was

479
00:23:28,000 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 2: a good thing. Is from a good thing. You know,

480
00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 2: we had a lot of fun that night. But that's

481
00:23:34,440 --> 00:23:37,800
Speaker 2: how That's how it ended up happening to where it

482
00:23:37,880 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: was like over the top where people call me and

483
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,560
Speaker 2: then I have their numbers. I'm like, yo, we're coming,

484
00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,720
Speaker 2: and then we're in like but it was from that

485
00:23:46,920 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 2: it was stupid.

486
00:23:48,040 --> 00:23:53,800
Speaker 3: It was, oh, what.

487
00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,680
Speaker 2: A waste of money. I'm talking about Okay, some thousands,

488
00:23:56,920 --> 00:23:59,560
Speaker 2: but guys, dog, you put some zeros on that. I

489
00:23:59,600 --> 00:24:00,439
Speaker 2: was confus used.

490
00:24:01,840 --> 00:24:04,119
Speaker 5: You know what this sounds like. This sounds like the person.

491
00:24:03,920 --> 00:24:05,720
Speaker 3: Who's into uh.

492
00:24:06,359 --> 00:24:08,800
Speaker 4: Free climbing or going out their skiing all the time,

493
00:24:08,800 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 4: and then they go out there and break their leg

494
00:24:10,440 --> 00:24:11,240
Speaker 4: and they can't wait.

495
00:24:11,119 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 5: To get on the slopes again because you didn't stop.

496
00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:15,719
Speaker 5: I didn't stop going out.

497
00:24:15,760 --> 00:24:18,200
Speaker 2: I did not stop going out. That is very true.

498
00:24:18,440 --> 00:24:21,840
Speaker 2: But I didn't have that that was happening. It was

499
00:24:22,000 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 2: you know, it was happening, but not like that. Oh

500
00:24:25,240 --> 00:24:27,040
Speaker 2: we had to get that there.

501
00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,880
Speaker 4: We'll we'll get back to the baseball side. The time

502
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:34,480
Speaker 4: in Boston set the same for us. They Johnny Leeves

503
00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,400
Speaker 4: from New York. You step into those shoes in Boston,

504
00:24:38,440 --> 00:24:40,000
Speaker 4: y'all had a y'all had a really good run for

505
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 4: a couple of years that you were there. Tell us

506
00:24:42,520 --> 00:24:45,200
Speaker 4: about the transition to Boston and your experience there.

507
00:24:45,320 --> 00:24:48,080
Speaker 2: Well, coming from Cleveland, so it's a smaller market than

508
00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,480
Speaker 2: a New York or Boston, so there was a huge

509
00:24:51,480 --> 00:24:56,240
Speaker 2: transition with learning that lifestyle versus being in Cleveland playing

510
00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:58,680
Speaker 2: the game. You go out, they got one street that's

511
00:24:58,680 --> 00:25:01,840
Speaker 2: a night life you know, sixth Street or ninth Street.

512
00:25:02,040 --> 00:25:05,760
Speaker 2: Talk about nightlife again, right, but there's like one streets.

513
00:25:05,760 --> 00:25:08,280
Speaker 2: You go there, it's like four or five bars, maybe

514
00:25:08,600 --> 00:25:11,880
Speaker 2: three on one side, three on the other type thing that.

515
00:25:11,880 --> 00:25:13,560
Speaker 3: Are good, that approved.

516
00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,720
Speaker 2: And then you go to Boston and everybody knows everything

517
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 2: about the team, the history of the team, uh, how

518
00:25:25,840 --> 00:25:28,119
Speaker 2: the team's supposed to be playing, how you're supposed to

519
00:25:28,119 --> 00:25:32,000
Speaker 2: be playing, how all your kids' names, mama names. They

520
00:25:32,040 --> 00:25:38,879
Speaker 2: know everything, right, So that was an adjustment that that

521
00:25:38,880 --> 00:25:41,720
Speaker 2: I end up welcoming over time you sit down to

522
00:25:41,760 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 2: eat and people are coming up to you. I'm I'm

523
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:46,440
Speaker 2: not on social media or anything. I'm more of a.

524
00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:47,840
Speaker 3: You're not because I look for you the other day.

525
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:53,359
Speaker 2: I was like, yeah, yeah, but go out and stuff

526
00:25:53,400 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: like that, but you know, kind of low key sort of.

527
00:25:59,080 --> 00:26:03,119
Speaker 2: So that was an adjust just being out and about

528
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,800
Speaker 2: in that city. Playing for the team. Baseball is baseball.

529
00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:09,840
Speaker 2: The Johnny Damon filling his shoes. I mean Johnny Damon's

530
00:26:09,840 --> 00:26:13,840
Speaker 2: obviously had the long hair, he had the iconic everything

531
00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:16,040
Speaker 2: going on. I'm coming in with just a name, so

532
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:18,000
Speaker 2: I'm just like, who's this guy coming in? This young

533
00:26:18,040 --> 00:26:23,280
Speaker 2: guy coming in to fill johnny shoes? So for me,

534
00:26:23,280 --> 00:26:24,800
Speaker 2: I didn't feel no pressure doing that. I was just

535
00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:28,159
Speaker 2: gonna come in and play. So unfortunate that early on

536
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 2: it is probably like the first week or something like that,

537
00:26:29,960 --> 00:26:32,160
Speaker 2: I ain't a breaking my finger this one right here,

538
00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,720
Speaker 2: and then that hindered me because I played with a

539
00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,560
Speaker 2: broken finger. So I wasn't able to give the city

540
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:42,119
Speaker 2: the healthy version of me, which was tough. But I

541
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:44,879
Speaker 2: did enjoy Boston. I enjoyed the fan base there. I

542
00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,760
Speaker 2: enjoyed learning them from Cleveland, learning how to move in

543
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,640
Speaker 2: that sitting circle, and then going to Boston and learn

544
00:26:52,680 --> 00:26:55,679
Speaker 2: how to play in a big market.

545
00:26:55,800 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 4: What's the difference of the Boss experience because you hear

546
00:26:58,720 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 4: players speak very differently about their experience in Boston with

547
00:27:02,280 --> 00:27:04,840
Speaker 4: the expectations that come with it, especially coming from Cleveland.

548
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:06,679
Speaker 4: You get two thousand and seven, I mean, you leave

549
00:27:06,760 --> 00:27:09,520
Speaker 4: off plans center field. That's a lot of responsibility that's

550
00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:12,280
Speaker 4: put on you. What was your personal experience of with

551
00:27:12,400 --> 00:27:15,520
Speaker 4: the Boston fan base and plan with the organization that

552
00:27:15,560 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 4: had that much history history.

553
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:20,000
Speaker 2: I guess I was just dumb. I don't know. I

554
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:22,320
Speaker 2: didn't put any pressure on myself. I just went out

555
00:27:22,320 --> 00:27:28,080
Speaker 2: there and tried to be myself. I think that's the

556
00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 2: way that I did it everywhere. And I just went

557
00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:32,800
Speaker 2: out there and just tried to be who I was

558
00:27:32,960 --> 00:27:37,399
Speaker 2: as a human being and as a baseball player, and

559
00:27:37,520 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 2: the fans liked me. I didn't perform for them, is

560
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:45,120
Speaker 2: I wish I could have during that time, but they

561
00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,160
Speaker 2: still showed me love, like they didn't show me any hate.

562
00:27:47,160 --> 00:27:52,080
Speaker 2: And I hear guys have the opposite kind of affection

563
00:27:52,160 --> 00:27:55,840
Speaker 2: shown to them, and for me, it was nothing belove.

564
00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 2: I think what also helped was the fight when I

565
00:27:59,480 --> 00:28:02,479
Speaker 2: got into the Boston you know, for some reason, they

566
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:07,440
Speaker 2: really embraced me. They didn't they they say they were

567
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:11,119
Speaker 2: embracing me, right, and they weren't dogging me for hitting

568
00:28:11,119 --> 00:28:12,840
Speaker 2: two sixty or whatever the heck I hit there.

569
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:14,640
Speaker 3: But after that.

570
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,640
Speaker 2: Fight, it's like they loved me, you know, And it

571
00:28:18,680 --> 00:28:20,960
Speaker 2: wasn't the intention to get into a fight for love.

572
00:28:21,080 --> 00:28:21,720
Speaker 2: But you.

573
00:28:23,359 --> 00:28:26,080
Speaker 4: Never had something, never had that back down in you, like,

574
00:28:26,200 --> 00:28:28,959
Speaker 4: take us through that moment, relived that moment with us

575
00:28:29,240 --> 00:28:29,520
Speaker 4: to see it.

576
00:28:29,640 --> 00:28:31,160
Speaker 3: I know, we talk us through this.

577
00:28:31,359 --> 00:28:31,720
Speaker 2: Is it true?

578
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:33,520
Speaker 6: Your dad was the boxer back in the day.

579
00:28:33,600 --> 00:28:35,040
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, my dad.

580
00:28:36,560 --> 00:28:41,040
Speaker 4: So yeah, hold on, pauses, why were you so pissed?

581
00:28:41,480 --> 00:28:44,240
Speaker 4: Is there any history of that? You tell us the

582
00:28:44,280 --> 00:28:45,800
Speaker 4: whole paint the whole picture for us.

583
00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:46,680
Speaker 3: Yeah.

584
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 2: So, so the game before this one, I got on

585
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:55,840
Speaker 2: first base and I stole second, or I was intending

586
00:28:55,880 --> 00:29:00,080
Speaker 2: to still, so I slow second and Jason Bartlett, he

587
00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:02,880
Speaker 2: was playing shortstop for the Rays, and he dropped his

588
00:29:03,000 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 2: knee in front of the bag and I'm sliding in

589
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 2: head first. So I'm like, I said really nicely. I

590
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,640
Speaker 2: was really nice. I was like, dude, like, don't do that.

591
00:29:12,640 --> 00:29:20,560
Speaker 2: That's not nice, right, It's exact words.

592
00:29:18,160 --> 00:29:19,280
Speaker 5: Like yeah, exactly.

593
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:24,560
Speaker 2: But he didn't say nothing back to me, and so

594
00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:28,440
Speaker 2: I kept saying nice words to him. And then and

595
00:29:28,480 --> 00:29:31,440
Speaker 2: I was like, okay, next time, I get on in

596
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:35,880
Speaker 2: my mind, so I'm oh, in my mind, I'm gonna

597
00:29:35,880 --> 00:29:37,640
Speaker 2: still again. So I don't care how I get on

598
00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 2: walk hit by pitch and I don't even get hit

599
00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 2: by pitches and could be in a switch here and all,

600
00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:46,440
Speaker 2: and so I ended up getting on. So now in

601
00:29:46,480 --> 00:29:50,960
Speaker 2: my mind, I am seeing red. I I'm not sliding.

602
00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 2: I'm glad that this ended up happening, to describe it.

603
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:56,800
Speaker 2: But if he would have covered the bag, he didn't,

604
00:29:57,000 --> 00:29:59,480
Speaker 2: and it was a similar situation score all that stuff,

605
00:29:59,520 --> 00:30:02,040
Speaker 2: So he's spposed to be covering. But I was just

606
00:30:02,080 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 2: gonna run at him, tackle him like full on. That's

607
00:30:05,760 --> 00:30:07,720
Speaker 2: where I was. And it's crazy. Glad it didn't happen,

608
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 2: because this has been disastrous. But I was just gonna

609
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:15,160
Speaker 2: tackle him. Then, you know, everybody, whatever happens, I've been

610
00:30:15,240 --> 00:30:18,240
Speaker 2: happening right, That's where I was. But then he had

611
00:30:18,240 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 2: even more cover And I'm grateful for Bartler for doing

612
00:30:20,480 --> 00:30:22,760
Speaker 2: that because it actually saved me, but even more covered.

613
00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:25,000
Speaker 2: He was playing second base for the Rays and ended

614
00:30:25,040 --> 00:30:28,720
Speaker 2: up being a teammate later on on with me in Oakland. Uh,

615
00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:31,080
Speaker 2: And I was still furious, but now I dimmed that

616
00:30:31,240 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: way down. I slid in the second base hard. I

617
00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:35,320
Speaker 2: could have been safe, but I was. That wasn't my intention.

618
00:30:35,480 --> 00:30:39,360
Speaker 2: My intention was to do harm, which was terrible, you know,

619
00:30:39,440 --> 00:30:42,520
Speaker 2: looking back at it, because it's just the truth, competitiveness,

620
00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,600
Speaker 2: the truth. Because I was like, you try to hurt me,

621
00:30:44,600 --> 00:30:47,880
Speaker 2: I'm gonna hurt you. Back to attack anyway. So after that,

622
00:30:48,640 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 2: Madden comes out and starts japping at Terry Francona and

623
00:30:54,200 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 2: Tito and and so I get up on.

624
00:30:56,680 --> 00:30:57,960
Speaker 3: Top steps so don't talk to him.

625
00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,080
Speaker 2: He talked to me, you know, he didn't have and

626
00:31:00,200 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 2: to deal with it. And now I point at the shortstop.

627
00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:04,720
Speaker 2: I was like getting the so we're chirping. Then he

628
00:31:04,760 --> 00:31:11,400
Speaker 2: walks back. After the game, get the interviews and they say,

629
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200
Speaker 2: you get hit by pitch yeada YadA. I said, hey,

630
00:31:13,200 --> 00:31:15,280
Speaker 2: well things have to be tacked for tactic, you know whatever.

631
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 2: I sitting in an interview. I go up to the

632
00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 2: weight room and we both teams work out in the

633
00:31:21,040 --> 00:31:24,440
Speaker 2: same weight room, and uh, Carlos Pain is up there

634
00:31:25,160 --> 00:31:30,520
Speaker 2: and we're teammates as well, and he's like, Poppy, what

635
00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:31,960
Speaker 2: are you doing? They gonna hit you with the ball

636
00:31:32,000 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 2: like in his accident. I can't go too deep into it,

637
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:35,400
Speaker 2: but he's like, they're gonna hit you with the ball tomorrow.

638
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:37,160
Speaker 2: I was like, all right, this is what is you know,

639
00:31:37,680 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 2: and we're close, you know. So he's letting me know

640
00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 2: what's gonna happen. So I call my dad. My mom

641
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:46,080
Speaker 2: says I called her, but I still believe I called

642
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,479
Speaker 2: my dad. I called him. I said, Dad, tune in tomorrow.

643
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 2: They hit me with this pitch, I'm charging the mount.

644
00:31:51,080 --> 00:31:53,000
Speaker 2: He's like, all right, make sure you swing first.

645
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:54,200
Speaker 3: I said.

646
00:31:54,440 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: I said, all right, that's I said, that's real. And

647
00:31:58,840 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: so next next day comes and walk into the first

648
00:32:03,680 --> 00:32:06,040
Speaker 2: thing I do is walk into Tito's office and I say, hey,

649
00:32:06,280 --> 00:32:08,200
Speaker 2: if they hit me with this pitch, I'm gonna charge

650
00:32:08,200 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 2: the mount. And he was like, okay. That was That

651
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: was pretty much it. I just wanted to make sure

652
00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: that he knew what was about to happen. He can

653
00:32:17,560 --> 00:32:19,560
Speaker 2: have somebody ready because I'm about to get kicked out

654
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:22,040
Speaker 2: the game right now. I didn't think this is my

655
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,160
Speaker 2: first plate appearance this day. I didn't think that they

656
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:25,800
Speaker 2: were gonna do it. The first plate appearance. I thought

657
00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,240
Speaker 2: they were gonna hold over my head, you know, and

658
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:30,560
Speaker 2: last that bad I had me thinking. But I'm like, okay.

659
00:32:30,880 --> 00:32:33,240
Speaker 2: My instinct is, if you watch it back, is to

660
00:32:33,280 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 2: get out the way. I'm always trying to get out way.

661
00:32:36,480 --> 00:32:38,920
Speaker 2: But I ended up letting it hit me. And now

662
00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:42,080
Speaker 2: my dad says, swing first, but you see James Shilds

663
00:32:42,080 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 2: breaks his hands. There's no way I could swing first.

664
00:32:45,720 --> 00:32:50,040
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, baby, duh oh, and then I proceed

665
00:32:50,080 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 2: to get my butt whooped underneath the pile. Mister Johnny Goumes,

666
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:56,640
Speaker 2: former teammate, come over there with the hammer fist. Carl

667
00:32:56,720 --> 00:32:58,560
Speaker 2: Crawford slides in, grabs some braids.

668
00:32:58,600 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 5: But the counter right there was nice.

669
00:33:00,960 --> 00:33:04,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'll take that. It's been a different story

670
00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:08,360
Speaker 2: if it got hit. But you know what, the guys

671
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 2: came in there. Sean Casey came in there, real tough.

672
00:33:10,960 --> 00:33:13,080
Speaker 2: I end up buying him. He's really in the ww

673
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 2: E or F or whatever it is, and so I

674
00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:18,240
Speaker 2: bought him like a poster. And you know, the guys

675
00:33:18,240 --> 00:33:20,480
Speaker 2: came in there to have my back a little bit.

676
00:33:20,600 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 2: But yeah, it was like, hey, part of the game.

677
00:33:25,360 --> 00:33:28,240
Speaker 4: But that gets you love with the fan base going

678
00:33:28,240 --> 00:33:29,560
Speaker 4: out there fight for your team, and you think about

679
00:33:29,560 --> 00:33:30,600
Speaker 4: the guys that in the clubhouse.

680
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:33,800
Speaker 5: You had, Poppy was in there, You was in there.

681
00:33:34,280 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 4: Manny Pedroia, and then you mentioned Tito at the top,

682
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 4: like what was that dynamic because I remember Boston it

683
00:33:40,520 --> 00:33:44,520
Speaker 4: was just this gretty like it's a completely different identity

684
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,480
Speaker 4: to that team than any other team in the league.

685
00:33:46,520 --> 00:33:47,720
Speaker 5: What was that identity of that team?

686
00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 2: It was just go out there and play, get your

687
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,440
Speaker 2: work in. You're supposed to be a big leader. You

688
00:33:52,480 --> 00:33:54,920
Speaker 2: find a time to get your own work in. You

689
00:33:55,000 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 2: go out there and you play the game.

690
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 6: You know.

691
00:33:57,440 --> 00:34:03,440
Speaker 2: It was a real free, free coaching type of atmosphere. Yeah,

692
00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:05,720
Speaker 2: we had drills and fly balls and all those things,

693
00:34:05,760 --> 00:34:07,800
Speaker 2: especially in the spring training, but we didn't have no

694
00:34:07,840 --> 00:34:10,360
Speaker 2: team stretch. You go out there and you get ready

695
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,239
Speaker 2: on your time, be a pro, be a pro. And

696
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:16,520
Speaker 2: you had a lot of guys Manny, Manny. He'll go

697
00:34:16,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 2: into I went in to do a like a commercial

698
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 2: and he's in there hitting, you know, to talk about

699
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:27,040
Speaker 2: like the the uh, the Kobe Bryant kind of stories

700
00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,560
Speaker 2: that you hear all the time about him outworking people.

701
00:34:30,200 --> 00:34:31,560
Speaker 2: I didn't even know that was a thing. I didn't

702
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 2: know they opened up a baseball field that early to

703
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:36,560
Speaker 2: let you in there to hit. But every every morning

704
00:34:36,600 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: he'll be in there hitting. Then he'll come back and

705
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 2: hit VP later. But he was always in there hitting.

706
00:34:40,600 --> 00:34:42,759
Speaker 2: I mean, that's why he was so successful and made

707
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:45,279
Speaker 2: him him great. But I didn't know that and that

708
00:34:45,360 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 2: he was doing that every single day. But that was

709
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:53,800
Speaker 2: the That was the atmosphere there, open up the field

710
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,200
Speaker 2: to you get what you need to get done, go

711
00:34:56,239 --> 00:34:59,160
Speaker 2: out there and kick some butt, you know, play play hard.

712
00:34:59,360 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: Strong personsonalities of teams that you played for. And going

713
00:35:02,760 --> 00:35:06,680
Speaker 4: from Boston and getting to Oakland, where I think most

714
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:09,680
Speaker 4: people relate to you as far as being an Oakland

715
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:13,640
Speaker 4: A that fan base there like very special. Not a

716
00:35:13,680 --> 00:35:16,560
Speaker 4: lot of people, but the people that are there are

717
00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:20,040
Speaker 4: extremely passionate a word extreme passion because they're not there anymore.

718
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 4: About the Oakland A's what was it about Oakland that

719
00:35:23,800 --> 00:35:25,680
Speaker 4: really resonated with you when.

720
00:35:25,560 --> 00:35:26,000
Speaker 3: You were there?

721
00:35:26,040 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 2: Well, Ricky Anderson is my favorite ball player, Griffy On,

722
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:36,040
Speaker 2: Ozzie Smith, and Brett Butler surprisingly is in that mixed

723
00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:39,960
Speaker 2: you know, bunting hunting. So I learned a lot from

724
00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: him when he was at the Dodgers or whatever in

725
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,960
Speaker 2: bunting and watching the games. But Ricky was still number one,

726
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,439
Speaker 2: and I have a lot of family in the Bay Area.

727
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,080
Speaker 2: It's where I hit my first home run. In my

728
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:55,240
Speaker 2: entire life out there Sanla Ball, so just the Oakland.

729
00:35:55,719 --> 00:35:59,239
Speaker 2: The city of Oakland for me is his family. I've

730
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,840
Speaker 2: been out there a lot and it was special. Not

731
00:36:01,920 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 2: quite like La because that's my home base, but Oakland

732
00:36:05,280 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 2: was kind of like my second and so to be

733
00:36:07,760 --> 00:36:09,759
Speaker 2: out there and to be able to play for that

734
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:14,080
Speaker 2: team and choose to go there was special. Ricky Henderson

735
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,479
Speaker 2: was there. I got a chance to play cards with him,

736
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: talk to him, and just hang out with the guy

737
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:23,320
Speaker 2: who I idolized, which was very special. The fan base

738
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,120
Speaker 2: was electric when we were there because we're winning and

739
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,680
Speaker 2: everybody has some pretty cool walk up songs, and the

740
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:33,320
Speaker 2: fans would get into where it was bout four rage

741
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 2: or the careless whisper from Josh Reddick or the old crazy,

742
00:36:38,200 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 2: the old crazy Bernie Lean that you know Bernie Lean. Yep, yep.

743
00:36:44,840 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 2: I brought that to the world. The people still doing

744
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:52,439
Speaker 2: it to this day. It's crazy. But it was that

745
00:36:52,600 --> 00:37:00,719
Speaker 2: atmosphere was more like we're together. Boston was there's they're

746
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,200
Speaker 2: very passionate fans, but we weren't. It wasn't like family Cleveland.

747
00:37:05,440 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 2: You had a couple people in the stands that you

748
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:10,880
Speaker 2: knew and things of that nature. But for me, like

749
00:37:10,920 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: I knew some of those guys sitting in the bleachers

750
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:15,400
Speaker 2: and go out and you know, have a beer together

751
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:19,759
Speaker 2: or something like that. So that that atmosphere for me

752
00:37:19,840 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 2: and when I played there, and also being the veteran

753
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 2: guy there was special because of the veteran tag that

754
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 2: I ended up having, but also because it was it

755
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,520
Speaker 2: was more intimate, I guess you would say, with the

756
00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:36,799
Speaker 2: fans in the field during those those moments, So that

757
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:37,640
Speaker 2: was pretty special.

758
00:37:37,680 --> 00:37:40,479
Speaker 4: Do you feel like that connection with the fan base

759
00:37:40,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 4: was because y'all were such.

760
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:45,640
Speaker 2: Underdogs, like because of the whole Moneyball era and.

761
00:37:45,640 --> 00:37:48,160
Speaker 4: The fact that the expectations coming from Boston to Oakland

762
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:50,480
Speaker 4: was very different expectations from the fan base on what

763
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:52,200
Speaker 4: they want to see on a nightly basis. How much

764
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 4: did that play into guys coming closer together? Almost two

765
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,280
Speaker 4: to prove everybody wrong. You know, you're a smaller market.

766
00:38:01,360 --> 00:38:05,600
Speaker 2: It's the free agents that you get and the moves

767
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:06,719
Speaker 2: that are going to be made are going to be

768
00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:12,919
Speaker 2: a lot different than a Boston. However, with the team

769
00:38:12,960 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 2: that we had there coming out of spring training, in

770
00:38:16,760 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: the games, whether it's twenty like eleven, twelve, thirteen, something

771
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,960
Speaker 2: like that we knew we had, we had players, you know,

772
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:26,800
Speaker 2: we knew we had we knew we had pitching, we

773
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:29,359
Speaker 2: knew we had teams what we're going to do when

774
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 2: we got out there, And we had some people that

775
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:34,920
Speaker 2: stepped up, like a Josh Donelson or Reda Hendricks, Reddick

776
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:39,759
Speaker 2: Cyspy end up coming over. So we had guys that

777
00:38:39,880 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: end up just coming in and making a name for

778
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,440
Speaker 2: themselves too. But yeah, no, it is much difference, and

779
00:38:46,480 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 2: you do have much different than like a Boston or

780
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:53,200
Speaker 2: New York or the Dodgers or a big market team.

781
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:57,640
Speaker 2: But for some reason, it was the team chemistry too.

782
00:38:58,040 --> 00:39:02,040
Speaker 2: For some reason, we just felt like a team, like

783
00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:04,280
Speaker 2: a team like we're going out there playing hard together,

784
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:07,319
Speaker 2: and we felt like we can win. And I think

785
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:09,480
Speaker 2: a huge part of that is, yes, the fans that

786
00:39:09,640 --> 00:39:14,480
Speaker 2: talked about that connection, but fifty winning is lies in

787
00:39:14,480 --> 00:39:16,560
Speaker 2: that locker room. And I think we had a strong

788
00:39:16,600 --> 00:39:18,560
Speaker 2: bond in there with you coming over at the time.

789
00:39:18,640 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 2: Then you got I was really big. Oh yeah, you're

790
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 2: a big for me, baby.

791
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah, my god, I agree.

792
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,239
Speaker 2: Having Bob Melvin there like he was, he was a

793
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 2: great leader over there.

794
00:39:29,160 --> 00:39:29,359
Speaker 3: True.

795
00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,600
Speaker 5: True, you went to the playoffs in twelve.

796
00:39:31,600 --> 00:39:33,920
Speaker 4: We went to the playoffs together in thirteen and I'm

797
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 4: getting knocked out by Detroit, like, but that run there,

798
00:39:37,080 --> 00:39:38,560
Speaker 4: making it to the playoffs with that team, it felt.

799
00:39:38,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 4: It felt different than making it to the playoffs with

800
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:40,960
Speaker 4: any other words.

801
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:44,480
Speaker 1: Such a loyal fan base, particularly when you're winning. I mean,

802
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:46,759
Speaker 1: there's still some people that are gonna support you when

803
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,279
Speaker 1: you're losing. I know how it was with Golden State.

804
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: But when you're winning, you're touchable, you're accessible, and you

805
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,359
Speaker 1: feel like you're a part of Oakland, Like they really

806
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:55,399
Speaker 1: make you feel like you're at home. And I think

807
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:57,440
Speaker 1: that's across the board in all sports that have a

808
00:39:57,520 --> 00:39:58,680
Speaker 1: good run in Oakland.

809
00:39:59,000 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 6: Sure, for both you were because I feel like that

810
00:40:01,680 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 6: was probably right around the time where analytics became super

811
00:40:05,040 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 6: Fountain and the A's were the poster for analytics. To

812
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,239
Speaker 6: what did you what in your career to maybe either

813
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:15,200
Speaker 6: manager or coaches kind of tell you two different approaches

814
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,040
Speaker 6: or was that prominent in Oakland too?

815
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:23,480
Speaker 2: It didn't really touch my game as much analytics as

816
00:40:23,520 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 2: far as my career baseball, and I think that sort

817
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:33,200
Speaker 2: of for me ended up happening once I got onto

818
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,720
Speaker 2: the coaching side of it, and I had to learn

819
00:40:36,200 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 2: the analytics side of it as well as still has

820
00:40:38,560 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: that old school mentality. But as far as me personally,

821
00:40:44,080 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 2: it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't a part of my journey.

822
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:48,799
Speaker 6: Uh.

823
00:40:48,920 --> 00:40:50,680
Speaker 2: During during my career, I hated it.

824
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:52,400
Speaker 5: It was the worst.

825
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:55,799
Speaker 4: It was terrible for me because I remember I was

826
00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,399
Speaker 4: I was playing in Arizona and I was playing every day.

827
00:40:58,880 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 3: I was planned every day.

828
00:40:59,719 --> 00:41:02,919
Speaker 4: End up having an injury in twenty twelve that took

829
00:41:02,960 --> 00:41:05,359
Speaker 4: me off for a significant amount of time. And then

830
00:41:05,400 --> 00:41:08,120
Speaker 4: that offseason I got traded to Oakland and I remember

831
00:41:08,160 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 4: I got traded to Oakland.

832
00:41:09,239 --> 00:41:11,879
Speaker 2: I looked at the depth chart and I said, well.

833
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: They got Coco and center, they got Cesspidis and left,

834
00:41:16,239 --> 00:41:18,800
Speaker 4: and they got Reddick and right, and they're all coming

835
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 4: off of really strong ears.

836
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:22,680
Speaker 5: I'm like, they about to Oakland me.

837
00:41:23,560 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 4: I'm like, they're literally bringing me over when I was

838
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:30,200
Speaker 4: an everyday player. You're bringing me over because Coco had

839
00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:33,600
Speaker 4: an injury history, and so okay, we'll bring him over

840
00:41:33,719 --> 00:41:36,719
Speaker 4: so that if Coco gets hurt, then we'll have.

841
00:41:36,800 --> 00:41:38,359
Speaker 5: You to put in there every day.

842
00:41:39,120 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 4: But if he doesn't, you turn into a platoon guy

843
00:41:42,880 --> 00:41:45,200
Speaker 4: and you come in and now you'll face lefties, and

844
00:41:45,239 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 4: now we'll mixmatch you and Coco. We'll mixmatch you in

845
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:50,279
Speaker 4: Reddick from time to time, whatever it may be. But

846
00:41:50,320 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 4: you kind of got to get in where you fit in.

847
00:41:52,560 --> 00:41:55,319
Speaker 4: After you have that label on you. The toughest thing

848
00:41:55,360 --> 00:41:58,000
Speaker 4: in the world to do is get that label up

849
00:41:58,040 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 4: off you. So it was something that I knew. When

850
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:04,279
Speaker 4: I got traded over there. I called my agent. I

851
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 4: was like, you got to get me out of here.

852
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 4: This is not a good place for me. I do

853
00:42:09,040 --> 00:42:11,440
Speaker 4: not want to go there because there's not a spot

854
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:13,560
Speaker 4: for me there. You want to go to a team

855
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:16,000
Speaker 4: everybody wants to play and you go out there to

856
00:42:16,000 --> 00:42:17,879
Speaker 4: the field. You want to go out there and play.

857
00:42:17,880 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 4: After you get there, we make the best of it.

858
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,880
Speaker 4: Me and Coch had a great time. But for my career,

859
00:42:23,600 --> 00:42:26,440
Speaker 4: I thought it was terrible from the get go because

860
00:42:26,480 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 4: I knew the system that they worked in in Oakland tough.

861
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:32,920
Speaker 2: And you just coming off some good yeah.

862
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:34,720
Speaker 4: Coming out really good years and just see an injury

863
00:42:34,719 --> 00:42:36,280
Speaker 4: that took me out for a long time. But injury

864
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 4: was shoulder. The wall made the catch. Fighting with the wall,

865
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:41,880
Speaker 4: you always lose that fight.

866
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:44,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, walls and ground and always.

867
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,879
Speaker 2: Lose that fight. They start padding it after after the injury. Yeah,

868
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:51,359
Speaker 2: that and taking me out too, dang Wall.

869
00:42:51,480 --> 00:42:54,760
Speaker 1: So traded back to Cleveland an organization started with fourteen

870
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: years ago, and your final season ended up being a

871
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: really memorable one.

872
00:42:58,760 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 3: You guys go to the World Series.

873
00:43:01,040 --> 00:43:03,719
Speaker 2: Yeah about that, Yeah, it was in Oakland. Then. Just

874
00:43:03,760 --> 00:43:07,320
Speaker 2: talked about the injuries going against the Wall, and I

875
00:43:07,360 --> 00:43:08,880
Speaker 2: have a scar now, but I ended up having to

876
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 2: have next surgery after my career. Going in get the

877
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 2: ball changed my whole whole career.

878
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: You know.

879
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:17,840
Speaker 2: I was coming off the twenty twenty year and everything

880
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:19,719
Speaker 2: like that. The next year running to the Wall and

881
00:43:19,960 --> 00:43:25,160
Speaker 2: they near paralyzed myself, right, So when from here to

882
00:43:25,920 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 2: quickly this way, you know, trying to compete against the

883
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:31,239
Speaker 2: best players in the world and you're not at your

884
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: peak was tough. So I'm still fighting saying no, I

885
00:43:34,680 --> 00:43:37,400
Speaker 2: need to be out there playing, you know, because inside

886
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:41,279
Speaker 2: I still believe that. But now looking back, I can

887
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:43,319
Speaker 2: see that I was. I was falling off, you know,

888
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,400
Speaker 2: and the organization probably did the right move for the organization.

889
00:43:47,200 --> 00:43:51,200
Speaker 2: So towards the end of Oakland, that journey, which was

890
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:56,280
Speaker 2: a blessed journey. Still, there was some some moving around

891
00:43:56,360 --> 00:43:58,560
Speaker 2: some pieces and asked to be traded, not because of

892
00:43:58,600 --> 00:44:02,279
Speaker 2: the the this more business side of things, right, I

893
00:44:02,400 --> 00:44:06,040
Speaker 2: still love Oakland, but I asked to be traded to

894
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,640
Speaker 2: see if I can go somewhere and finish off my

895
00:44:08,800 --> 00:44:11,680
Speaker 2: career the way that I felt inside me that it

896
00:44:11,719 --> 00:44:17,239
Speaker 2: should be finished. And I'm very grateful that they were

897
00:44:17,280 --> 00:44:20,719
Speaker 2: able to do that for me and get me to Cleveland,

898
00:44:21,200 --> 00:44:24,880
Speaker 2: the place where I started in the big leagues at least,

899
00:44:24,960 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: and have that final year, that journey through the playoffs

900
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 2: and making it to the World Series.

901
00:44:31,960 --> 00:44:32,160
Speaker 5: You know.

902
00:44:32,280 --> 00:44:34,880
Speaker 2: So that just kind of concluded that I wish we

903
00:44:34,920 --> 00:44:35,359
Speaker 2: would have won.

904
00:44:35,440 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 1: It takes back to that incredible Game seven. Take us

905
00:44:40,520 --> 00:44:41,440
Speaker 1: back to that Game seven.

906
00:44:41,600 --> 00:44:44,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, the first time I'm playing on my birthday. Yeah,

907
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:50,799
Speaker 2: lost on my birthday. Fault, it's my faults. Yeah, no,

908
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: it was. It was a crazy game. But prior to that,

909
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 2: because I had a shoulder injury, I went into and

910
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,600
Speaker 2: again told Terry, which he wouldn't have done if I

911
00:44:59,600 --> 00:45:02,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't came in there. Most likely it took me out

912
00:45:02,520 --> 00:45:06,279
Speaker 2: the game. That last at bat of of the the

913
00:45:06,600 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 2: game would have been my bat and uh that year,

914
00:45:10,120 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 2: I think I led the league in bad average with

915
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,359
Speaker 2: guys in the scoring position and clutch situations type of thing.

916
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 2: But I went in there. I said, hey, if there's

917
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:22,520
Speaker 2: a situation where a guy's on second base, I don't

918
00:45:22,520 --> 00:45:24,640
Speaker 2: have a good arm anyway, But now my arm's hurt too.

919
00:45:24,880 --> 00:45:27,880
Speaker 2: If there's a situation where you need a guy to

920
00:45:27,880 --> 00:45:31,239
Speaker 2: be thrown out and I'm on the field, take me out,

921
00:45:31,320 --> 00:45:34,839
Speaker 2: I'm okay with that. Showing off that situation happen, right,

922
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:38,799
Speaker 2: And then I don't get the last It could have

923
00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:40,400
Speaker 2: been the same result. Who knows, right, I could have

924
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:42,520
Speaker 2: struck out, could have hit a home run. I don't know,

925
00:45:42,600 --> 00:45:47,319
Speaker 2: but but you will never know. It was a great game.

926
00:45:47,400 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 2: Rose hit that home run. Mother nature came down and

927
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,240
Speaker 2: changed the dynamic. We had had them against the ropes,

928
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 2: and then mother nature came. They go in there, have

929
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 2: a little hour rob pep talk, and they get back

930
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,040
Speaker 2: in it, and and they come back and rally. They

931
00:46:01,040 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: did a great job, you know, not giving up. We

932
00:46:03,120 --> 00:46:04,799
Speaker 2: didn't give up either, but they just got the best

933
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 2: of us. You know, we got that second place ring

934
00:46:08,080 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 2: still better than today. It still looked better than my, my,

935
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:14,839
Speaker 2: my championship ring that I got for Boston. Though it's crazy. Yeah,

936
00:46:15,160 --> 00:46:17,879
Speaker 2: a few years have passed. Every year things just get

937
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: bigger and bigger, but it's still yeah, it's still second

938
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:22,239
Speaker 2: place and it's still means more.

939
00:46:22,280 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: Though, when do you know that it's time to go?

940
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,040
Speaker 1: The mind may be sharp, but you're also a very

941
00:46:29,120 --> 00:46:33,040
Speaker 1: intelligent person. When do you know, like, Okay, maybe it's time.

942
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 2: M hmm. Prior to that injury, I was like, I'm

943
00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:36,920
Speaker 2: gonna play till I'm fifty.

944
00:46:38,320 --> 00:46:40,040
Speaker 3: How old were you when you got that injury?

945
00:46:40,719 --> 00:46:47,400
Speaker 2: Thirty four? I think thirty four. But I was still

946
00:46:48,560 --> 00:46:51,600
Speaker 2: still good. My Lais was good. I was rolling. And

947
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:57,560
Speaker 2: then after the injury and things started turning going downhill

948
00:46:57,600 --> 00:46:59,680
Speaker 2: for me. I did get some offers to come back

949
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:06,759
Speaker 2: and after the sixteen year and play, but I just

950
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:10,640
Speaker 2: knew my body. I could have went back, made some

951
00:47:10,680 --> 00:47:14,919
Speaker 2: more money. My kids are getting older. I already missed

952
00:47:14,960 --> 00:47:17,800
Speaker 2: my older two And that's like the toughest part of

953
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:20,560
Speaker 2: of there's a lot of tough parts of the game.

954
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,960
Speaker 2: You go face Pedro Martinez, that's tough, but you don't

955
00:47:23,960 --> 00:47:25,839
Speaker 2: talk about like you watched Naked and Fred or along

956
00:47:25,920 --> 00:47:28,919
Speaker 2: the first thing they say is miss my kids, miss

957
00:47:28,920 --> 00:47:31,400
Speaker 2: my family, you know, so people don't talk about that

958
00:47:31,520 --> 00:47:35,160
Speaker 2: part of it and having to sacrifice time spent, you know,

959
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 2: seeing kids first step and step on video or something

960
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 2: like that. So my younger two, I missed my older

961
00:47:41,040 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 2: two to an extent, you know, it is there when

962
00:47:43,960 --> 00:47:47,040
Speaker 2: I could be there. But then the younger two, I'm like, okay,

963
00:47:47,440 --> 00:47:51,160
Speaker 2: you know, my body's felling a little bit now, and

964
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:54,960
Speaker 2: I got contracts, offers to go back and play, but

965
00:47:55,000 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna play. Well, I'm hurt. You know, I

966
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 2: need an elbow surgery, next surgery. You know, I could

967
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 2: have powered through, made a couple more million. Maybe I

968
00:48:04,760 --> 00:48:08,319
Speaker 2: don't know, but I chose to step away. And I'm

969
00:48:08,400 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: very grateful that not not a lot of guys get it.

970
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:14,160
Speaker 2: Some guys get it. And I'm one of those guys

971
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 2: that I feel very grateful that I was able to choose, choose,

972
00:48:18,320 --> 00:48:20,840
Speaker 2: you know, instead of getting kicked out. And probably if

973
00:48:20,880 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: I would have took that, if I would have went back,

974
00:48:22,920 --> 00:48:26,319
Speaker 2: they probably have gave me. Probably would have gave you know,

975
00:48:26,760 --> 00:48:30,880
Speaker 2: they'd be like, okay, kid, you know it's time. But yeah,

976
00:48:31,080 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 2: you had.

977
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,239
Speaker 1: Three different stops. Success with every stop you made. Is

978
00:48:35,239 --> 00:48:36,960
Speaker 1: there one team that you kind of hang your hat

979
00:48:37,000 --> 00:48:39,040
Speaker 1: on that you know that you say that was my team?

980
00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:39,760
Speaker 3: It's tough.

981
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: I would I would say I wouldn't hang my hat

982
00:48:42,080 --> 00:48:45,279
Speaker 2: on Kansas City. I had two shoulder surgeries there and

983
00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:47,960
Speaker 2: I just didn't spend a lot of time. But the

984
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:50,400
Speaker 2: other three is a toss up. It's a toss up,

985
00:48:50,440 --> 00:48:52,160
Speaker 2: you know. I got my first taste in the big

986
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 2: leagues with Cleveland. Finished up in Cleveland. It's very special.

987
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 2: I was able to get some priceless veteran knowledge and

988
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 2: tutorage from on Marvis Scale and Toma and Burks and

989
00:49:02,120 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 2: guys like that, so it's hard not to put their

990
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 2: name in the mix. Boston won the World Series. I

991
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,359
Speaker 2: learned a lot being in that type of environment how

992
00:49:11,360 --> 00:49:15,800
Speaker 2: to be a veteran, which allowed me to transition hopefully

993
00:49:15,880 --> 00:49:19,279
Speaker 2: be a decent veteran in Oakland, Oakland, Like I said,

994
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,000
Speaker 2: I have roots out there, you know, family ties. Ricky's

995
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:26,120
Speaker 2: my favorite baseball player, and plan out there was special

996
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:29,279
Speaker 2: because I was the veteran and we made I was

997
00:49:29,320 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 2: a veteran guy and we made runs through the playoffs.

998
00:49:33,040 --> 00:49:37,200
Speaker 2: Uh so those three are are equal in different ways.

999
00:49:37,840 --> 00:49:41,120
Speaker 2: You know, so I can't say I can I think

1000
00:49:41,160 --> 00:49:43,279
Speaker 2: all three of those special My journey.

1001
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,360
Speaker 3: Was wass you got any Ricky stories?

1002
00:49:45,560 --> 00:49:47,719
Speaker 2: The only one that I have that everybody talks about

1003
00:49:47,719 --> 00:49:49,439
Speaker 2: when he talks about in third person is when we're

1004
00:49:49,480 --> 00:49:51,759
Speaker 2: in spring training, because typically he doesn't he or he

1005
00:49:51,840 --> 00:49:54,040
Speaker 2: hadn't with me, like we're playing cards doing certain days.

1006
00:49:54,040 --> 00:49:56,359
Speaker 2: This is normal. You know, he's the normal guy, which

1007
00:49:56,400 --> 00:49:59,440
Speaker 2: is awesome. But there was one time we're in spring

1008
00:49:59,480 --> 00:50:06,440
Speaker 2: training and and we're running bases and Ricky was gonna

1009
00:50:06,600 --> 00:50:10,160
Speaker 2: run some basis saying, hey, rick you shouldn't do that.

1010
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:12,080
Speaker 2: He ain't got no spikes on Ricky. Look, He's like,

1011
00:50:12,200 --> 00:50:14,759
Speaker 2: we don't need no spike Ricky float. That was the

1012
00:50:14,800 --> 00:50:18,400
Speaker 2: only time, you know, that was the only time that

1013
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:19,200
Speaker 2: he got.

1014
00:50:21,160 --> 00:50:21,600
Speaker 5: Floats.

1015
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:24,400
Speaker 2: I was like, oh, that's dope, he does and I

1016
00:50:24,560 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 2: used that and stuff like. That was his line. But

1017
00:50:29,560 --> 00:50:33,200
Speaker 2: he moved, he moved a little bit. But yeah, it's like,

1018
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:37,720
Speaker 2: you know, he don't need spike Ricky float. I love that's.

1019
00:50:38,600 --> 00:50:42,480
Speaker 3: Quick hitters first seem kind of let us know favorite ballpark.

1020
00:50:42,160 --> 00:50:47,759
Speaker 2: PNC and worstall park. It was I need the metro Dome.

1021
00:50:48,239 --> 00:50:51,879
Speaker 2: Metro Dome, When did you break in the league. You're

1022
00:50:51,880 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 2: looking at me like Kevin looked like old boy. It's like,

1023
00:50:54,400 --> 00:51:00,359
Speaker 2: dam it was uh two thousand and two, what mess?

1024
00:51:00,480 --> 00:51:02,120
Speaker 3: What city is at? Minnesota?

1025
00:51:02,160 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 5: Minnesota?

1026
00:51:03,080 --> 00:51:06,239
Speaker 2: Minnesota? And you tried to dive on that stuff. He

1027
00:51:06,280 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 2: was getting burned up, burnt up. I did like a

1028
00:51:09,239 --> 00:51:11,960
Speaker 2: Maggie though, Yeah, but it was tough to see.

1029
00:51:12,360 --> 00:51:13,319
Speaker 3: Get lost a lot, right.

1030
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:14,760
Speaker 2: The lighting was terrible.

1031
00:51:14,880 --> 00:51:17,600
Speaker 3: What uh baseball mo was there? It was an angel.

1032
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,800
Speaker 2: Kies right, the rookie.

1033
00:51:21,160 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, the smartest pitch you ever faced.

1034
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,840
Speaker 2: You know, I probably hmm a lot of options, grinky.

1035
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:31,800
Speaker 2: That's the first thing that came to my mind. You

1036
00:51:31,880 --> 00:51:36,240
Speaker 2: know why I want to follow the dumbest pitches, Natti

1037
00:51:36,440 --> 00:51:39,040
Speaker 2: single pitch. It has to go to my weakness. I

1038
00:51:39,320 --> 00:51:43,240
Speaker 2: just say, Weavers change up for me was the nastiest pitch,

1039
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:50,160
Speaker 2: funniest teammates don't be leaning up like I mean, yeah,

1040
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:53,759
Speaker 2: I don't know. I guess you're up there. You go

1041
00:51:53,840 --> 00:51:58,440
Speaker 2: back and forth. It was just throwing jabs, taking jabs

1042
00:51:58,680 --> 00:52:00,560
Speaker 2: and and just being quick with it. You know, I

1043
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:02,080
Speaker 2: just I'll probably say.

1044
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: I got a question because obviously, I mean, I know

1045
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:06,360
Speaker 1: how it is on the on the basketball side, but

1046
00:52:06,440 --> 00:52:09,319
Speaker 1: you guys are kind of joscelying for like you said

1047
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 1: you would. They would play games with different pictures with

1048
00:52:11,760 --> 00:52:13,319
Speaker 1: Obviously you guys made a friendship better.

1049
00:52:13,360 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 3: It was.

1050
00:52:13,560 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: It was there ever some time, Honestly, either you guys

1051
00:52:15,520 --> 00:52:17,400
Speaker 1: looked at each other like, man, fuck this dude.

1052
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 4: If it was, it would have been for me to

1053
00:52:19,000 --> 00:52:20,520
Speaker 4: be like that to him because he was the every day,

1054
00:52:20,520 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 4: because he was the every day.

1055
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:23,760
Speaker 2: But no, I never did because.

1056
00:52:23,560 --> 00:52:26,760
Speaker 4: It was never the player, like you understand what a player,

1057
00:52:26,800 --> 00:52:28,000
Speaker 4: you understand the competition.

1058
00:52:28,239 --> 00:52:28,600
Speaker 3: It was.

1059
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:30,239
Speaker 5: It was the organization.

1060
00:52:30,840 --> 00:52:33,480
Speaker 4: And I actually had a great experience in Oakland, had

1061
00:52:33,480 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 4: a great experience with the fan base.

1062
00:52:34,800 --> 00:52:36,879
Speaker 5: It was before I even stepped in the room.

1063
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:37,800
Speaker 3: You just need the business.

1064
00:52:38,120 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 5: I knew the business of it.

1065
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,120
Speaker 2: But that never gotten the way of your friend.

1066
00:52:42,160 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I was never out there like crashing to

1067
00:52:44,120 --> 00:52:47,960
Speaker 4: the wall like no, that never even crossed my mind.

1068
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,799
Speaker 4: And me and kick me and Coke kicked it hard.

1069
00:52:50,239 --> 00:52:52,880
Speaker 4: I say hard, like it was on the.

1070
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:56,160
Speaker 1: Side of the San Francisco side, San Francisco side. Yeah,

1071
00:52:56,280 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: there's a pep Oakland spots though we used to dunk

1072
00:52:57,960 --> 00:52:58,799
Speaker 1: off just a letter story.

1073
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:03,640
Speaker 4: Got a baseball players and know about those spots where

1074
00:53:03,600 --> 00:53:06,840
Speaker 4: were out of tightest clubhouse you talked about your connection

1075
00:53:06,880 --> 00:53:08,120
Speaker 4: tightest clubhouse you were part of.

1076
00:53:08,239 --> 00:53:12,560
Speaker 2: Probably the Oakland clubhouse. Probably probably those guys. Yeah, Kansas

1077
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,360
Speaker 2: City was actually low key. We're pretty close too. We

1078
00:53:15,360 --> 00:53:18,080
Speaker 2: would be sitting down there. That's probably the closest I've

1079
00:53:18,120 --> 00:53:21,440
Speaker 2: been to. The pictures on a ball club usually it's

1080
00:53:21,480 --> 00:53:23,920
Speaker 2: just position players. I'm with the position players pictures too.

1081
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:26,080
Speaker 2: You know, maybe in Oakland do little some people, you know,

1082
00:53:26,320 --> 00:53:29,920
Speaker 2: some guys limb but over there, like I was close

1083
00:53:29,960 --> 00:53:33,799
Speaker 2: with Grinky and and Dave and we've been playing World

1084
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:37,640
Speaker 2: of Warcraft in the clubhouse that stuff. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

1085
00:53:38,160 --> 00:53:40,359
Speaker 2: we'll be in their pre game, you know, when it's

1086
00:53:40,360 --> 00:53:43,200
Speaker 2: our downtime and we've been there playing World of Warcraft.

1087
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,880
Speaker 2: Funny story is, I don't know how funny it is,

1088
00:53:45,880 --> 00:53:50,720
Speaker 2: but it's a unique story. Is after I left Kansas

1089
00:53:50,719 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 2: City and I'm facing the Grinky, I hit a ball

1090
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,399
Speaker 2: down the line against them, and the umpire called it

1091
00:53:58,480 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 2: fair and fould end up being a double right. But

1092
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,840
Speaker 2: during that commotion and when they're trying to figure it out,

1093
00:54:04,239 --> 00:54:07,680
Speaker 2: Greenky walks down to home plate and he says, hey,

1094
00:54:07,719 --> 00:54:10,799
Speaker 2: I finally got my paullot in the level eighty mid game.

1095
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:12,920
Speaker 2: I'm like it, call me off guard. I didn't know

1096
00:54:12,960 --> 00:54:17,640
Speaker 2: what to saynds like good and I'm a double off them,

1097
00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:22,719
Speaker 2: but a community into warcraft, and I was like, man,

1098
00:54:23,120 --> 00:54:24,760
Speaker 2: we compete right now, brother.

1099
00:54:27,520 --> 00:54:30,080
Speaker 3: Bench clearing brawl. Who do you want in your side?

1100
00:54:30,120 --> 00:54:32,920
Speaker 3: You get three people you could either play with or against.

1101
00:54:33,160 --> 00:54:35,279
Speaker 2: Well, I'm gonna have to get Sean Casey for sure

1102
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:37,280
Speaker 2: because he was out there. He was like the first

1103
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:42,440
Speaker 2: person out there during my my brawl. I don't know

1104
00:54:42,440 --> 00:54:45,799
Speaker 2: how he'll do, but he big, hurt, he big. I'm

1105
00:54:45,800 --> 00:54:49,760
Speaker 2: gonna go with, and then then probably Gary Sheffield. He's strong.

1106
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 4: Chef has been full of times. Jeff is a common answer.

1107
00:54:56,280 --> 00:54:59,560
Speaker 4: Clubhouse playlist. I know you ran it in Oakland. What

1108
00:54:59,640 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 4: was your to in a clubhouse playlist? What type of

1109
00:55:01,640 --> 00:55:02,400
Speaker 4: what type of music?

1110
00:55:02,480 --> 00:55:04,799
Speaker 2: It was mainly hip hop right for the most part.

1111
00:55:04,840 --> 00:55:05,120
Speaker 3: For me.

1112
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,719
Speaker 2: I mixed some some alternative type of stuff in there,

1113
00:55:07,719 --> 00:55:11,359
Speaker 2: but it was more like what was hot, Probably some

1114
00:55:11,400 --> 00:55:13,480
Speaker 2: stuff that ain't nobody ever heard of that I thought

1115
00:55:13,520 --> 00:55:15,640
Speaker 2: was hot? You know that I that I throw on

1116
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:17,880
Speaker 2: there and then next thing, you know, everybody's saying, you know,

1117
00:55:18,160 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 2: singing along because I've repeated it all the time, I guess.

1118
00:55:20,520 --> 00:55:24,319
Speaker 2: But but it was mainly like just a hip hop mix.

1119
00:55:25,200 --> 00:55:28,040
Speaker 2: You know, I can't I can't really say any specific.

1120
00:55:28,120 --> 00:55:31,280
Speaker 2: It'd be some random people and mixed in there too.

1121
00:55:34,480 --> 00:55:36,960
Speaker 3: One guess you would like to see on All the

1122
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:39,160
Speaker 3: Smoke Baseball?

1123
00:55:39,600 --> 00:55:40,680
Speaker 2: Who's some characters?

1124
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: Uh?

1125
00:55:42,200 --> 00:55:45,600
Speaker 2: You know, I would. I would say Ramier as many.

1126
00:55:48,000 --> 00:55:51,399
Speaker 4: I think he has as he has a he's still

1127
00:55:51,440 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 4: working with cool personality.

1128
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:54,279
Speaker 3: Still you said, I've seen it.

1129
00:55:54,320 --> 00:55:57,960
Speaker 4: He's still it's a young kid that I don't know

1130
00:55:58,000 --> 00:55:59,239
Speaker 4: how young he is, but he looks like a young

1131
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:01,120
Speaker 4: kid to me is give and like hidden instruction and man,

1132
00:56:01,120 --> 00:56:03,839
Speaker 4: it goes with him and literally locks in and it's

1133
00:56:03,920 --> 00:56:07,560
Speaker 4: genuinely taking advice from him on what he's doing wrong

1134
00:56:07,600 --> 00:56:08,080
Speaker 4: with this swing.

1135
00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:10,120
Speaker 2: It's like, bro, you know you call the.

1136
00:56:10,120 --> 00:56:11,640
Speaker 3: Flamer on the great.

1137
00:56:13,120 --> 00:56:13,720
Speaker 2: It's crazy.

1138
00:56:13,840 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1139
00:56:14,040 --> 00:56:15,759
Speaker 2: Many. The only thing is, I don't know how he's

1140
00:56:15,760 --> 00:56:17,920
Speaker 2: gonna be. I don't know because he's like a parrot

1141
00:56:18,880 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 2: his personality. He'll be good.

1142
00:56:20,920 --> 00:56:25,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, you gotta put some oil in the first. Well, Coco, man,

1143
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:28,280
Speaker 1: we appreciate your time. Congratulations on a long, successful career.

1144
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:28,480
Speaker 3: Man.

1145
00:56:28,560 --> 00:56:30,400
Speaker 2: Thanks, thank you for good Man, Thank you, thanks.

1146
00:56:32,640 --> 00:56:35,920
Speaker 3: Oko, Chris, all the smoke baseball. See you guys next week.