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I'm Garrison Davis. 17 00:00:56,920 --> 00:01:00,480 Speaker 2: This episode, I'm joined by Robert Evans, j I'm Stout 18 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,959 Speaker 2: and Sophie Lichtermann. Maybe maybe Sophie will decide to comment 19 00:01:05,000 --> 00:01:08,160 Speaker 2: on some of this important, important news we have today. 20 00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:11,319 Speaker 3: To bless us, and maybe Robert will decide to forgive 21 00:01:11,360 --> 00:01:14,080 Speaker 3: you for jumping into giving the title of this show 22 00:01:14,160 --> 00:01:17,600 Speaker 3: and not letting me say electile dysfunction or something like that. 23 00:01:18,120 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 3: We no, I have not gotten over living. Let's talk 24 00:01:21,800 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: about a pedophile. It's time for your Friday pedophile Update. Yeah, 25 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 3: we call it the FREEO file minutes. 26 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,080 Speaker 2: I don't like that. 27 00:01:32,120 --> 00:01:33,280 Speaker 4: It is free to callos SO. 28 00:01:33,560 --> 00:01:37,479 Speaker 3: On August fifteenth, twenty twenty five, at eight thirty six 29 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:41,399 Speaker 3: Anno Meridian that means in the morning, the Las Vegas 30 00:01:41,400 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 3: Metropolitan Police Department Office of Public Information put up a 31 00:01:45,120 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 3: press release with the title eight child sex Predators arrested 32 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 3: during undercover operation. Now, this was a report on a 33 00:01:52,880 --> 00:01:56,360 Speaker 3: multi agency operation going after child sex predators that was 34 00:01:56,400 --> 00:01:59,840 Speaker 3: headed by the Nevada Internet Crimes Against Children or ICY 35 00:02:00,000 --> 00:02:04,120 Speaker 3: the AC Organization, which is a joint operation that involves 36 00:02:04,120 --> 00:02:06,240 Speaker 3: a mix of There's some detectives from the Las Vegas 37 00:02:06,240 --> 00:02:09,080 Speaker 3: Metropolitan to Police, there's some folks from the FBI Child 38 00:02:09,080 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: Exploitation Task Force, and then I guess the ICAC has 39 00:02:12,600 --> 00:02:14,840 Speaker 3: its own task force. I've never heard of this group before, 40 00:02:15,560 --> 00:02:18,200 Speaker 3: but there's there's a number of other law enforcement agents involved, 41 00:02:18,200 --> 00:02:22,119 Speaker 3: including North Las Vegas Police Henderson Police who actually posted 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:24,800 Speaker 3: declaration of arrest for the person that we'll be talking about. 43 00:02:24,800 --> 00:02:28,760 Speaker 3: That's the Henderson, Nevada Police, Homeland Security Investigations, and the 44 00:02:28,840 --> 00:02:33,240 Speaker 3: Nevada Attorney General's office. This was your standard sting to 45 00:02:33,320 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 3: try and catch people who are attempting to have sex 46 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,720 Speaker 3: with kids, where you have undercover agents who are online. 47 00:02:39,800 --> 00:02:42,320 Speaker 3: In this case, they were using an app called Pure 48 00:02:42,760 --> 00:02:45,959 Speaker 3: and on WhatsApp. It looks like, as a general rule, 49 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:49,320 Speaker 3: these guys met the person that they thought was a 50 00:02:49,480 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 3: minor on Pure and then took the conversation to WhatsApp 51 00:02:53,240 --> 00:02:56,040 Speaker 3: to plan for an in person meeting where they then 52 00:02:56,480 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 3: they you know, the whole what's that guy who used 53 00:02:59,200 --> 00:03:02,400 Speaker 3: to do the TV show where he would bust pedophiles 54 00:03:02,440 --> 00:03:04,560 Speaker 3: and there were some ethical problems with Chris Hansen. They'd 55 00:03:04,600 --> 00:03:07,320 Speaker 3: have their Chris Hansen moment, right, No familiar with this, 56 00:03:07,440 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 3: Oh man, it didn't go well. So the story that 57 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,639 Speaker 3: people have been hearing and that kind of went viral 58 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:15,519 Speaker 3: out of this is that one of these eight people 59 00:03:15,600 --> 00:03:20,440 Speaker 3: arrested was tom Ardiam Alexandrovitch, who was a high ranking 60 00:03:20,520 --> 00:03:23,920 Speaker 3: cybersecurity official. He was the director of one of the 61 00:03:24,000 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 3: divisions of Israel's top cybersecurity agency. So you know, inn 62 00:03:28,360 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 3: Israeli government official working in cybersecurity is one of the 63 00:03:31,200 --> 00:03:34,320 Speaker 3: guys arrested. He was in town in Las Vegas for 64 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:37,560 Speaker 3: the black Hat convention, which is like a hacking convention, 65 00:03:37,760 --> 00:03:40,320 Speaker 3: and like a lot of hacking conventions, over time, it 66 00:03:40,320 --> 00:03:42,560 Speaker 3: has turned from a bunch of guys who do not 67 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 3: like the Feds to just Feds, right, Like, I think 68 00:03:45,520 --> 00:03:49,040 Speaker 3: that that's why the guy guy from israel cybersecurity agency 69 00:03:49,160 --> 00:03:52,560 Speaker 3: is at this thing, hitten on so fed allegedly fifteen 70 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:56,720 Speaker 3: year olds. So this guy is arrested and then he 71 00:03:57,000 --> 00:03:59,960 Speaker 3: posts bail at ten grand and he flies back to Israel, 72 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:02,760 Speaker 3: which gets a lot of people in an uproar. Obviously, 73 00:04:03,280 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 3: anything involving officials of the Israeli government is receiving heightened 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 3: scrutiny right now, what with the genocide, and also for 75 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:12,760 Speaker 3: a long time, there's a lot of evidence of special 76 00:04:12,800 --> 00:04:15,240 Speaker 3: treatment being given to agents of the government of Israel 77 00:04:15,400 --> 00:04:18,320 Speaker 3: by the United States government, and so people are like, 78 00:04:18,920 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 3: is that what's going on here? Because this seems pretty 79 00:04:20,720 --> 00:04:22,960 Speaker 3: fucked up. And I guess the first thing I should 80 00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 3: say is that it doesn't seem like he's being treated 81 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,320 Speaker 3: differently from anyone else in this sting. This is per 82 00:04:29,400 --> 00:04:34,040 Speaker 3: statements made by the local government and by the Attorney 83 00:04:34,040 --> 00:04:38,640 Speaker 3: General's office. This is the standard bail amount for this crime. 84 00:04:38,839 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: And when people post bail for this crime, which is 85 00:04:41,920 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 3: the standard amount of ten grand, there aren't conditions usually 86 00:04:45,120 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 3: on the bail, which means it would not be standard 87 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,120 Speaker 3: to stop him from traveling or returning home. He's due 88 00:04:50,120 --> 00:04:52,800 Speaker 3: to return to the United States in several weeks for 89 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,800 Speaker 3: the court proceedings to go on. So the short answer 90 00:04:56,800 --> 00:04:58,640 Speaker 3: to this seems to be that, like, no, this is 91 00:04:58,720 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 3: just kind of how the system works, and that might 92 00:05:01,920 --> 00:05:03,840 Speaker 3: not be great, But he doesn't seem to have been 93 00:05:03,880 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 3: given special treatment because he was an official of the 94 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:09,560 Speaker 3: Israeli government. Now, does that mean that that's going to 95 00:05:09,640 --> 00:05:11,800 Speaker 3: prove to be what happens in the long run. No, because, 96 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:14,039 Speaker 3: among other things, he might just not come back to 97 00:05:14,080 --> 00:05:17,880 Speaker 3: the US, and if the Israeli government is a party 98 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 3: to that, and like there isn't any kind of like 99 00:05:20,839 --> 00:05:23,360 Speaker 3: action taken to like force him to return to go 100 00:05:23,400 --> 00:05:26,000 Speaker 3: through the legal process, then I'd say, yeah, there's something 101 00:05:26,040 --> 00:05:28,440 Speaker 3: to be particularly upset about here. But I think the 102 00:05:28,440 --> 00:05:30,480 Speaker 3: broader thing to maybe be upset about here is that 103 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:32,599 Speaker 3: guys can get caught for this and then have a 104 00:05:32,640 --> 00:05:34,839 Speaker 3: no condition bail that allows them to flee the country, 105 00:05:34,960 --> 00:05:37,039 Speaker 3: which might be a flaw in the system. 106 00:05:37,320 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 2: Right. 107 00:05:38,040 --> 00:05:40,640 Speaker 3: I'm a big innocent until proven guilty guy. I'm a 108 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 3: big reasonable bail guy. But I'm also a big I 109 00:05:43,000 --> 00:05:44,720 Speaker 3: don't know man. Maybe if the agent of a foreign 110 00:05:44,800 --> 00:05:47,239 Speaker 3: government gets caught trying to fuck a child, they shouldn't 111 00:05:47,240 --> 00:05:48,320 Speaker 3: be able to fly back home. 112 00:05:48,160 --> 00:05:50,160 Speaker 4: Immediately after they bail out. 113 00:05:50,240 --> 00:05:50,640 Speaker 1: I don't know. 114 00:05:51,600 --> 00:05:53,480 Speaker 4: To seems that it's a reasonable objection. 115 00:05:54,040 --> 00:05:56,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, So you know, this is a classic case of 116 00:05:56,880 --> 00:06:00,320 Speaker 3: you've got the story what actually happened here, got how 117 00:06:00,360 --> 00:06:04,599 Speaker 3: it's interpreted online, and then you've got how it's being 118 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,440 Speaker 3: interpreted online by the stupidest person on the world, on 119 00:06:07,480 --> 00:06:10,880 Speaker 3: the planet, in the planet, and in that planet that 120 00:06:10,880 --> 00:06:11,400 Speaker 3: didn't work. 121 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:13,359 Speaker 4: Oh it'd be good if he was, wouldn't it in 122 00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:14,239 Speaker 4: the molten cools? 123 00:06:14,279 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be nice. You've got how the story 124 00:06:18,440 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 3: is being interpreted by particularly bad journalists. Let's say that 125 00:06:22,960 --> 00:06:24,880 Speaker 3: that's the nice way to put it. And I'm talking 126 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 3: about Michael Tracy. If you're not familiar with Michael Tracy. 127 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 3: He is ostensibly a leftist and anti authoritarian. 128 00:06:31,920 --> 00:06:32,760 Speaker 4: He's the kind of guy. 129 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,200 Speaker 3: Who just sort of reflexibly if the US is involved, 130 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:38,880 Speaker 3: whatever is the worst case scenario for the US doing 131 00:06:38,920 --> 00:06:42,160 Speaker 3: something is what's happening. During the invasion of Ukraine, he 132 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,760 Speaker 3: alleged that the US was sending troops into Ukraine. I 133 00:06:44,760 --> 00:06:47,120 Speaker 3: think because he saw some guys outside of an embassy 134 00:06:47,120 --> 00:06:48,719 Speaker 3: in Poland, some American soldier for. 135 00:06:48,760 --> 00:06:51,160 Speaker 4: The marine details and some of the marine detail. It 136 00:06:51,200 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 4: was like, we're getting ready to invade. That did not happen. 137 00:06:55,920 --> 00:07:00,680 Speaker 3: Now, Michael Tracy has a sub stack of course cases, 138 00:07:00,839 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 3: and he published an article titled was an Israeli pedophile 139 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:07,800 Speaker 3: really allowed to flee the United States? And I can't tell. 140 00:07:07,839 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 3: He starts with like a whole paragraph about Jeffrey Epstein, 141 00:07:10,840 --> 00:07:12,960 Speaker 3: and I can't actually tell what his stance is on this, 142 00:07:13,040 --> 00:07:15,600 Speaker 3: And I don't really want he's talking about how people 143 00:07:15,600 --> 00:07:18,040 Speaker 3: are eager to prove him wrong about Jeffrey Epstein. I 144 00:07:18,080 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 3: have no desire to know what this guy thinks about 145 00:07:19,960 --> 00:07:20,720 Speaker 3: Jeffrey Epstein. 146 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 2: Well, this is probably a Jeffrey Epstein was a secret 147 00:07:23,400 --> 00:07:24,760 Speaker 2: massad agent type thing. 148 00:07:25,360 --> 00:07:28,120 Speaker 3: Well, except for his whole argument here is that there's 149 00:07:28,720 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 3: people are being incredibly unreasonable to think that this guy 150 00:07:32,640 --> 00:07:35,360 Speaker 3: is guilty or to think that he probably did anything wrong. 151 00:07:35,480 --> 00:07:39,880 Speaker 3: And the reason Michael Tracy suggests that Tom Alexandrovitch probably 152 00:07:39,920 --> 00:07:43,000 Speaker 3: didn't do anything wrong is that the terms of the 153 00:07:43,080 --> 00:07:46,440 Speaker 3: app Pure, which is where the authorities say he first 154 00:07:46,440 --> 00:07:48,920 Speaker 3: got in contact with the officer pretending to be a child, 155 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 3: requires you to be eighteen years or older. And in 156 00:07:51,880 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 3: this substack to post the terms of service to be like, see, 157 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,040 Speaker 3: there is even what appears to be a rig the 158 00:08:00,120 --> 00:08:03,119 Speaker 3: risk age verification process. To ensure that no minor gains 159 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:06,040 Speaker 3: access to the app, government issued documents must be submitted 160 00:08:06,080 --> 00:08:08,200 Speaker 3: to ensure that only persons at least eighteen years of 161 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:10,320 Speaker 3: old are allowed on the app. And he's like, does 162 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:13,760 Speaker 3: this mean the government was faking documents? Was pretending to 163 00:08:13,760 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 3: be a child to this app? 164 00:08:15,640 --> 00:08:17,880 Speaker 4: Yet that's what they were doing, Well, they were pretending 165 00:08:17,920 --> 00:08:20,440 Speaker 4: to be a triild Jeremary, Yeah, that's probably what they 166 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:20,920 Speaker 4: were doing. 167 00:08:21,000 --> 00:08:23,560 Speaker 3: And the other thing what's really funny about this is like, 168 00:08:23,600 --> 00:08:25,720 Speaker 3: that's his whole point is that the app requires them 169 00:08:25,720 --> 00:08:29,200 Speaker 3: to be eighteen, so it's you know, the authorities must 170 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 3: have been doing something fucked up and lying to the 171 00:08:31,240 --> 00:08:33,160 Speaker 3: app for this to have happened at all. And this 172 00:08:33,280 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 3: is just an example of Michael Tracy not reading the 173 00:08:35,800 --> 00:08:40,040 Speaker 3: declaration of arrest, which he links in his article, because 174 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 3: the declaration of arrest does say that, yes, this person 175 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 3: got in contact with the undercover agent bearing the peer 176 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:48,680 Speaker 3: up and then the same sentence says and later WhatsApp 177 00:08:48,720 --> 00:08:52,120 Speaker 3: with phone number dot dot dot and says that on WhatsApp, 178 00:08:52,440 --> 00:08:55,240 Speaker 3: this is where they talked about the person in this 179 00:08:55,320 --> 00:08:57,560 Speaker 3: case being a minor, and this is where they set 180 00:08:57,640 --> 00:09:00,880 Speaker 3: up like to arrange a meeting. This is lee cybersecurity 181 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,760 Speaker 3: official was going to take them to circ the slay 182 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:05,800 Speaker 3: and had them bring a condom like That's all in 183 00:09:05,840 --> 00:09:10,680 Speaker 3: the declaration of arrest. Now, obviously Alexandrovitch maintains his innocence, 184 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:13,640 Speaker 3: maintains he thought this person was eighteen all the entire time. 185 00:09:14,040 --> 00:09:16,080 Speaker 3: All I've got here is the declaration of arrest. I 186 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 3: don't have hard evidence, but per the source that Michael 187 00:09:19,040 --> 00:09:23,680 Speaker 3: Tracy cites, like this is not just happening on pure 188 00:09:23,840 --> 00:09:25,839 Speaker 3: This is as is often the case, by the way, 189 00:09:25,840 --> 00:09:28,640 Speaker 3: when pedophiles go after kids, they meet them on whatever 190 00:09:28,679 --> 00:09:32,520 Speaker 3: app and then take them to a second digital location, right, Like, 191 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,200 Speaker 3: that's just the way these things work. And that's really 192 00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:37,199 Speaker 3: all I have to say about this. You know this, 193 00:09:37,200 --> 00:09:38,520 Speaker 3: This is the kind of I mean, maybe keep an 194 00:09:38,520 --> 00:09:40,240 Speaker 3: eye on this in case this guy doesn't go back 195 00:09:40,280 --> 00:09:43,000 Speaker 3: and the Israeli government does hide him. But it's entirely 196 00:09:43,040 --> 00:09:45,640 Speaker 3: possible that this will go the way court cases and 197 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,559 Speaker 3: this sort of thing are supposed to go. There's one 198 00:09:47,600 --> 00:09:50,560 Speaker 3: other funny thing, considering this guy is a high ranking 199 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:54,440 Speaker 3: Israeli cybersecurity official. There's just like a list of you know, 200 00:09:54,559 --> 00:09:58,200 Speaker 3: statements about like what Alexandrovitch said to detectives when he 201 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 3: was being interrogated, you know this stuff like Alexander Alexandrovitch 202 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:04,120 Speaker 3: stated he did not know the numbers for the Israeli government. 203 00:10:04,120 --> 00:10:07,640 Speaker 3: Alexandrovitch stated his family was an israel Alexandrovitch stated it 204 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,719 Speaker 3: was important he get numbers for his flight, and then 205 00:10:09,760 --> 00:10:12,720 Speaker 3: Alexandrovitch stated his phone does not have a password but 206 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:14,040 Speaker 3: uses his right thumb print. 207 00:10:14,080 --> 00:10:21,160 Speaker 2: No a biometric user, cybersecurity expert for the government. 208 00:10:20,800 --> 00:10:22,320 Speaker 4: They're not sending the best people. 209 00:10:22,320 --> 00:10:26,240 Speaker 3: Oh my god, your fucking thumb print, dude, Your fucking 210 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:27,040 Speaker 3: thumb print. 211 00:10:27,400 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, it's just famous most secure possible access code. 212 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,200 Speaker 3: Anyway, that's all I've got for peta Friday tune in 213 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:39,080 Speaker 3: next week we'll have another pedophile for you. I'm sure 214 00:10:39,120 --> 00:10:53,360 Speaker 3: of it. Oh yeah, here's ads. All right, we're back, 215 00:10:53,400 --> 00:10:56,400 Speaker 3: and it is a pedophile free will. We can't guarantee that, 216 00:10:56,440 --> 00:10:59,760 Speaker 3: I suppose, but we are hoping petera free zone from 217 00:10:59,800 --> 00:11:05,479 Speaker 3: here on it. Talking of things which are incontrovertibly crimes, 218 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 3: Israel has deliberately murdered for Al Jazeera journalists in Gaza. 219 00:11:10,840 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 3: Among them was an us Are Sharif, a prominent correspondent 220 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 3: for the network in Gaza. The IDF also killed correspondent 221 00:11:17,400 --> 00:11:23,840 Speaker 3: Mohammed karka, cameraman Ibrahim Zaya, and driver in cameraman Mohammad 222 00:11:23,920 --> 00:11:26,760 Speaker 3: Nofal Al Jazeera has named all of these people. The 223 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:30,520 Speaker 3: strike also killed two freelancers. One of them was mom 224 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 3: And Aliwa and al Sharif's nephew, who was a student 225 00:11:35,080 --> 00:11:39,160 Speaker 3: studying journalism for weeks before the liberate and pre meditated 226 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,760 Speaker 3: war crime to war crime under a Roman statute and 227 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 3: also a violation of the Geneva Conventions because journalists are 228 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:49,920 Speaker 3: also civilians the idea of engaged in manufacturing consent for 229 00:11:50,000 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 3: the strike. They did this three unit that nine to 230 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,880 Speaker 3: seven two magazine has reported on called the quote legitimization cell. 231 00:11:57,520 --> 00:12:00,760 Speaker 3: You're always doing great when you have a unit called 232 00:12:00,800 --> 00:12:04,000 Speaker 3: the legitimization cell. Yeah, that's yeah. 233 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:06,319 Speaker 4: It's pretty fucked to quote from the piece which are 234 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 4: link below. It has been a signed to identify guy 235 00:12:09,400 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 4: as a based journalist. It could betray us undercover her 236 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 4: mass operatives in an effort to blunt growing global outrage 237 00:12:15,760 --> 00:12:20,000 Speaker 4: over Israel's killing of reporters. You should read this article 238 00:12:20,160 --> 00:12:23,079 Speaker 4: like it goes through instances whether they have a very 239 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:28,199 Speaker 4: clear confirmation bias right, And the case of al Sharifhys 240 00:12:28,320 --> 00:12:30,640 Speaker 4: is a pretty good example of how ridiculous this can be. 241 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:34,240 Speaker 4: They released this document, they tweeted it actually claiming he 242 00:12:34,280 --> 00:12:36,959 Speaker 4: was in her mask from twenty thirteen to twenty seventeen. 243 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 4: The document clearly wasn't original document, Like it was a 244 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,040 Speaker 4: PDF done up with like a navy blue background and stuff. 245 00:12:43,800 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 4: It's laughable to think that they like captured this pdf somehow. 246 00:12:47,840 --> 00:12:50,880 Speaker 4: It just doesn't line up. Even if we take that 247 00:12:50,920 --> 00:12:52,920 Speaker 4: to be true, right, that he had been a member 248 00:12:52,960 --> 00:12:56,760 Speaker 4: of her mask till twenty seventeen. That was eight years ago. Like, 249 00:12:56,880 --> 00:12:58,880 Speaker 4: isn't the whole point of the thing that they're saying 250 00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 4: that they want people to stop being in hamas, like 251 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:04,760 Speaker 4: killing them because they want did that and I don't 252 00:13:04,800 --> 00:13:08,920 Speaker 4: believe them. It still doesn't make sense right. They've done 253 00:13:08,960 --> 00:13:11,920 Speaker 4: this in other cases with other Juras, specifically other Al 254 00:13:11,960 --> 00:13:16,079 Speaker 4: Jazeera journalists. In July this year, the CPJA that's a 255 00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:19,080 Speaker 4: committee to Protect Journalists if you're not familiar, warned that 256 00:13:19,160 --> 00:13:21,679 Speaker 4: they were worried about an attack on al Scherif due 257 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,680 Speaker 4: to the increasingly detached from reality smear campaign being pursued 258 00:13:24,679 --> 00:13:29,360 Speaker 4: against him by IDA spokesman a Vice Adray. For example, 259 00:13:29,400 --> 00:13:32,600 Speaker 4: on the twentieth July, Adray accused him of being quote 260 00:13:32,920 --> 00:13:37,719 Speaker 4: part of a quote false harmass campaign on starvation as 261 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:40,880 Speaker 4: he played footage of al Cherif crying after seeing a 262 00:13:40,920 --> 00:13:44,760 Speaker 4: woman collapse from hunger on camera. Speaking about the campaign, 263 00:13:44,880 --> 00:13:47,840 Speaker 4: al Cherif said it is not only a media threat 264 00:13:48,120 --> 00:13:50,880 Speaker 4: or an image destruction. It is a real life threat. 265 00:13:51,320 --> 00:13:53,959 Speaker 4: He said it's in his interview with CPJA, He also said, 266 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:56,280 Speaker 4: I live with the feeling that I could be bombed 267 00:13:56,280 --> 00:13:59,040 Speaker 4: and martyred at any moment, my family is also in 268 00:13:59,160 --> 00:14:02,199 Speaker 4: danger and his nephew was killed with him right in 269 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,280 Speaker 4: the air strike. When I think about like, I have 270 00:14:05,400 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 4: colleagues I've worked with through are Palestinian who work in Gaza, right. 271 00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:13,520 Speaker 4: I remember twenty twenty three October tenth, twenty twenty three, 272 00:14:13,559 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 4: I was in Syria, in Rajaba specifically, and I was 273 00:14:17,920 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 4: sitting in a t shop because the Wi Fi and 274 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:23,280 Speaker 4: my hotel was nonexistent, and I wanted to check in 275 00:14:23,320 --> 00:14:26,320 Speaker 4: on my friends, right who worked there. And I remember 276 00:14:26,320 --> 00:14:30,080 Speaker 4: this guy helping me translate one of these videos in 277 00:14:30,120 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: which you see a dead person in the blue press vest, right, 278 00:14:33,280 --> 00:14:35,240 Speaker 4: and I was concerned that it might be someone I've 279 00:14:35,240 --> 00:14:37,440 Speaker 4: worked with before, so I was trying to work out 280 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 4: it with them, and he was saying in his video. 281 00:14:39,000 --> 00:14:42,120 Speaker 4: At the funeral, people were saying that another journalist would 282 00:14:42,160 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 4: take up the dead journalist camera and the flag jacket 283 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 4: and keep reporting, which is very touching for me. But 284 00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,240 Speaker 4: journalists and Gaza have been targeted by the IDF for 285 00:14:50,280 --> 00:14:53,720 Speaker 4: a very long time, and this is one of many examples, 286 00:14:53,760 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 4: and it's disgusting and reprehensible. That's about all I have 287 00:14:57,080 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 4: to say on it should we turn to immigration for something. 288 00:15:00,080 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 4: Colleague despondent and said, yeah, all right. USCIS US Citizenship 289 00:15:06,800 --> 00:15:10,800 Speaker 4: and Immigration Services has issued a new guidance material to 290 00:15:10,840 --> 00:15:14,040 Speaker 4: instruct offices in cases where they can use their discretion 291 00:15:14,720 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 4: to look at whether the person has quote endorsed, promoted, 292 00:15:17,840 --> 00:15:20,600 Speaker 4: or supported, or otherwise espoused the views of a terrorist 293 00:15:20,680 --> 00:15:24,720 Speaker 4: organization or group, including those who support or promote anti 294 00:15:24,760 --> 00:15:28,920 Speaker 4: American ideologies and activities, anti Semitic terrorism from skipping a 295 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:32,840 Speaker 4: bit here, and anti Semitic ideologies. This discretion can be 296 00:15:33,040 --> 00:15:36,720 Speaker 4: used in extension of stay cases, change of status cases, 297 00:15:36,800 --> 00:15:40,400 Speaker 4: reinstatement or f or M non immigrant status, and certain 298 00:15:40,440 --> 00:15:44,240 Speaker 4: employment authorization requests, they say in the memo. The USCIS 299 00:15:44,240 --> 00:15:47,680 Speaker 4: Policy Manual also lists other instances where discretion could be used. 300 00:15:48,000 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 4: These include TPS, Temporary protected status, humanitarian parole partition to 301 00:15:53,080 --> 00:15:55,800 Speaker 4: classify an alien as a fiancee of a US citizen, 302 00:15:55,960 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 4: asylum and refugee status. So I looked up what the 303 00:15:59,640 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 4: quote anti American activities were. There's a footnote right. The 304 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:07,960 Speaker 4: footnote links to iron A three one three a Immigration 305 00:16:08,120 --> 00:16:11,920 Speaker 4: Naturalization Act. Most of the anti American activities are things 306 00:16:11,960 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 4: which already had a bar to naturalization, and most of 307 00:16:15,440 --> 00:16:18,360 Speaker 4: those pertain directly to being a member of the Communist Party, 308 00:16:18,960 --> 00:16:22,960 Speaker 4: like a literal card carrying member of the literal Communist 309 00:16:23,040 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 4: Party right capital C, Capital P. The USO had a 310 00:16:26,560 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 4: bar on naturalization for people who are members of the 311 00:16:29,680 --> 00:16:33,000 Speaker 4: Communist Party for some time. I believe they still have 312 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 4: a bar on naturalization for people who were members of 313 00:16:36,360 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 4: the Nazi Party pre visa waiver I should say not 314 00:16:39,560 --> 00:16:42,120 Speaker 4: actually a visa when people from Europe were coming to 315 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:44,479 Speaker 4: the United States, you'd have to answer a short questionnaire. 316 00:16:45,080 --> 00:16:47,680 Speaker 4: One of the questions was about whether you or anyone 317 00:16:47,680 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 4: related to you had been a member of the Nazi Party. 318 00:16:50,800 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 4: I remember like once being some German people in Europe 319 00:16:53,960 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 4: and they were telling me they'd had to answer this 320 00:16:55,520 --> 00:16:59,760 Speaker 4: question entering the United States. So the anti American activities 321 00:16:59,800 --> 00:17:03,000 Speaker 4: is one that's been getting the most attention, but it 322 00:17:03,000 --> 00:17:06,520 Speaker 4: does specifically footnote to the communist stuff, which is again 323 00:17:07,119 --> 00:17:09,800 Speaker 4: something that has been US policy for a while. What 324 00:17:10,000 --> 00:17:14,160 Speaker 4: I'm more worried about is stuff about anti Semitic terrorism. 325 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:18,720 Speaker 2: Yeah, because that means one, you've shared a pro Palestine 326 00:17:19,320 --> 00:17:20,960 Speaker 2: post on social. 327 00:17:20,640 --> 00:17:22,400 Speaker 4: Media, Yeah you say genocide bad. 328 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, that can mean so many things that as we've 329 00:17:25,040 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: already seen, like we've seen some of this stuff already 330 00:17:26,880 --> 00:17:30,680 Speaker 2: be enforced. This is new guidance material, but we've seen 331 00:17:30,680 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 2: reports coming from people trying to enter the country, you're 332 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,480 Speaker 2: trying to get visas that show that this is happening 333 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,720 Speaker 2: for like months ever since, like you know, like March, 334 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:41,320 Speaker 2: I started to see a lot of stuff regarding either 335 00:17:41,359 --> 00:17:46,240 Speaker 2: pro Palestinian statements or like posts or campus protests that 336 00:17:46,280 --> 00:17:46,879 Speaker 2: sort of stuff. 337 00:17:47,400 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 4: Yeah, the f visa I mentioned there is it's a 338 00:17:49,240 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 4: non immigrant student visa right for full time students. So 339 00:17:52,119 --> 00:17:54,840 Speaker 4: like that is the one where we've seen students have 340 00:17:54,960 --> 00:17:57,640 Speaker 4: to turn over as social media handles, a social media 341 00:17:57,680 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 4: can't be locked. It's very easy to see how these 342 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 4: two things line up. Yeah, and as a guest said, 343 00:18:02,200 --> 00:18:05,000 Speaker 4: like people, they have always been able to use their discretion. 344 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,760 Speaker 4: This is just guidance on how they should use it, 345 00:18:06,840 --> 00:18:09,520 Speaker 4: but they have been using it for some time. The 346 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:14,159 Speaker 4: administration has also moved the goalpost for naturalization. So naturalization 347 00:18:14,320 --> 00:18:17,160 Speaker 4: is becoming a citizen of the United States. Right, there 348 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:20,439 Speaker 4: is a requirement that people who naturalize as citizens have 349 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 4: quote good moral character. Previously, the way they did this 350 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,680 Speaker 4: was there were bars for certain crimes right murdered genocide, 351 00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,760 Speaker 4: something called aggravated felony, which is something that only exists 352 00:18:31,760 --> 00:18:35,040 Speaker 4: in immigration law. Going forward, they're changing to, I guess, 353 00:18:35,080 --> 00:18:37,600 Speaker 4: a more holistic idea of what a good moral character 354 00:18:37,680 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 4: might be. I'm going to quote again. Going forward, USCIS 355 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,359 Speaker 4: offices must account for an alien to positive attributes and 356 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:48,560 Speaker 4: not simply the absence of misconduct in evaluating whether or 357 00:18:48,640 --> 00:18:51,720 Speaker 4: not an alien has met the requirement for establishing GMC. 358 00:18:51,960 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 4: That's a good moral character. The officer must take a 359 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,280 Speaker 4: holistic approach in evaluating whether or not an alien seeking 360 00:18:58,320 --> 00:19:02,680 Speaker 4: naturalization has affirmatively established that he or she has met 361 00:19:02,720 --> 00:19:05,720 Speaker 4: their burden of establishing that they are worthy of assuming 362 00:19:05,760 --> 00:19:08,600 Speaker 4: the rights and responsibilities of United States citizenship. 363 00:19:10,119 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 2: The worthy What does that mean? You have to prove 364 00:19:13,640 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 2: to an officer that you're a good person. 365 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:20,800 Speaker 3: Yeah, how so, yes, by the officer's definition, I'm assuming. 366 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean this is this is guys for 367 00:19:24,440 --> 00:19:29,120 Speaker 2: like discretionary enforcement. So I don't like the word holistic here. 368 00:19:29,760 --> 00:19:33,840 Speaker 4: I don't. Yeah. They is literally asking him to take 369 00:19:33,840 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 4: into account everything they know about this person and then 370 00:19:36,280 --> 00:19:38,440 Speaker 4: just make a call. Is this someone you want to 371 00:19:38,480 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 4: have as your neighbor, you know, like, I don't know 372 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 4: what the oh I mean, I can guess how this 373 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:46,399 Speaker 4: might manifested. It's worth noting that as DHS goes, USCIS 374 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 4: officers tend to be the least right wing right CBP 375 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,520 Speaker 4: and I, so the much higher proportion of people who like, 376 00:19:52,560 --> 00:19:55,760 Speaker 4: for instance, they had some issues with getting people vaccinated 377 00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,640 Speaker 4: and CBP that kind of stuff right, indicators that people 378 00:19:58,680 --> 00:20:01,520 Speaker 4: might be sort of down this conser piracy pipeline. We 379 00:20:01,720 --> 00:20:06,080 Speaker 4: also learned this week that Todd Blanche directed federal cops 380 00:20:06,119 --> 00:20:09,720 Speaker 4: to arrest Mayor rasp Baraka outside of a detention center 381 00:20:09,760 --> 00:20:12,840 Speaker 4: in New Jersey in May. We noticed because of body 382 00:20:12,880 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 4: cam footage. We don't have the footage, but the footage 383 00:20:15,000 --> 00:20:17,919 Speaker 4: is reported on in court documents, and the footage a 384 00:20:17,960 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 4: DHS official says, quote, we are resting the mayor right now, 385 00:20:21,920 --> 00:20:24,960 Speaker 4: per the Deputy Attorney General of the United States. Anyone 386 00:20:24,960 --> 00:20:26,720 Speaker 4: that gets in our way, I need you guys to 387 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:28,760 Speaker 4: give me a perimeter so I can cuff him. So 388 00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:30,640 Speaker 4: that the agent talked on the phone and then gave 389 00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 4: this statement. Right, So, it seems that the deputy ag 390 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:35,680 Speaker 4: there with the one who gave the order to arrest 391 00:20:35,760 --> 00:20:41,000 Speaker 4: rasp Baraka right, Ice has also arrested a cop. This 392 00:20:41,040 --> 00:20:43,679 Speaker 4: is our little moment of like a harp pond cup violence, 393 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:47,879 Speaker 4: top pond cup violence. Yeah. John Luke Evans was a 394 00:20:47,920 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 4: reserve officer for the Old Orchard Beach Police Department in Maine. 395 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,840 Speaker 4: The police chief of Orchard Beach, who's called elist Chard, 396 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:59,440 Speaker 4: said that the department had used e Verify to check 397 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:02,359 Speaker 4: if he could work legally, right, which is the thing 398 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:06,160 Speaker 4: that you are supposed to do. He Verify. It's a 399 00:21:06,320 --> 00:21:09,480 Speaker 4: database run by the Department of Homeland Security. I think 400 00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:13,520 Speaker 4: it's also in combination with another department that allows you 401 00:21:13,960 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 4: to verify if somebody can work legally in the United States. Right. 402 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 4: Tritian McLaughlin characterized this as reckless, which is weird because 403 00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:25,440 Speaker 4: the hs who she's speaking on behalf of other ones 404 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:30,199 Speaker 4: who put that information into the database. It's possible that 405 00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:33,040 Speaker 4: someone entered at something in wrong at some point, right, 406 00:21:33,320 --> 00:21:36,040 Speaker 4: someone put in a wrong number, they switched an O 407 00:21:36,280 --> 00:21:39,159 Speaker 4: for a zero, or something like that. This came to 408 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:43,600 Speaker 4: light because Evans attempted to make a firearm purchase and 409 00:21:43,640 --> 00:21:46,679 Speaker 4: he filled out his forty four to seventy three and 410 00:21:46,720 --> 00:21:50,200 Speaker 4: the eighty f then notified Ice that a non citizen 411 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 4: who wasn't eligible for firearms ownership had attempted to purchase 412 00:21:53,280 --> 00:21:57,480 Speaker 4: a firearm, and that was how Ice came to detain him. 413 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 4: He is being allowed to leave the USA Volunteers. He's 414 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: not being deported, he's not being charged with the attempting 415 00:22:03,640 --> 00:22:05,719 Speaker 4: to make the firearm purchase, which he could be charged with, 416 00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:10,000 Speaker 4: and the City of Orchard Beach has going pretty hard 417 00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:13,200 Speaker 4: in his defense. They've released some elements of personnel file, 418 00:22:13,280 --> 00:22:15,840 Speaker 4: but none of them that pertained to his immigration status. 419 00:22:16,359 --> 00:22:18,800 Speaker 4: They're sticking by their claim that they believe he was 420 00:22:19,000 --> 00:22:22,840 Speaker 4: eligible to work in the USA, ISA claiming I guess 421 00:22:22,880 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 4: DHS now claiming that his visa expired in twenty twenty three, 422 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 4: which was years before he began working at the police department. 423 00:22:31,840 --> 00:22:35,840 Speaker 4: He was a seasonal reserve officer and he had been 424 00:22:35,880 --> 00:22:37,240 Speaker 4: working since earlier this year. 425 00:22:38,000 --> 00:22:39,920 Speaker 2: Before we go on break, I want to do a 426 00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:43,840 Speaker 2: quick update on the Texas Democrats who fled the state 427 00:22:43,960 --> 00:22:49,680 Speaker 2: to delay or prevent the gerrymandering. And after their two 428 00:22:49,760 --> 00:22:53,600 Speaker 2: week walkout, the Texas House has now reached quorum once 429 00:22:53,640 --> 00:22:57,200 Speaker 2: again and a vote on the new redistricting map, which 430 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:02,240 Speaker 2: would add five Republican congressional seats. Is slated for Wednesday, 431 00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:05,679 Speaker 2: August twentieth, which is the day that we are recording. 432 00:23:06,200 --> 00:23:09,160 Speaker 2: After Democrats returned to the capital from their walkout, they 433 00:23:09,160 --> 00:23:11,520 Speaker 2: were subjected to twenty four to seven surveillance by the 434 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 2: Texas Department of Public Safety, and in order to leave 435 00:23:15,040 --> 00:23:17,920 Speaker 2: the House chamber, they had to sign what the Democrats 436 00:23:17,920 --> 00:23:22,199 Speaker 2: are calling quote unquote permission slips, agreeing to surveillance in 437 00:23:22,320 --> 00:23:23,919 Speaker 2: their just everyday life. 438 00:23:24,119 --> 00:23:26,960 Speaker 1: Is that why? I think it was a collier slept 439 00:23:26,960 --> 00:23:27,399 Speaker 1: at her. 440 00:23:27,440 --> 00:23:31,560 Speaker 2: Desk one person's I think a state senator refused to 441 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 2: sign the slip and stayed. 442 00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:34,840 Speaker 4: In the Capitol overnight. 443 00:23:35,080 --> 00:23:39,600 Speaker 2: Fair enough, The Texas House Minority Leader Jeen Wu made 444 00:23:39,640 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 2: a statement saying, quote, we killed the corrupt special session, 445 00:23:43,720 --> 00:23:48,160 Speaker 2: was stood unprecedented surveillance and intimidation, and rallied Democrats nationwide 446 00:23:48,160 --> 00:23:51,840 Speaker 2: to join this extential fight for fair representation, reshaping the 447 00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 2: entire twenty twenty six landscape. Unquote. There's a very celebratory 448 00:23:55,840 --> 00:23:59,560 Speaker 2: tone here, which is slightly odd to me because this 449 00:23:59,680 --> 00:24:01,440 Speaker 2: vote is still probably going through. 450 00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:03,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, they kind of lose, this. 451 00:24:03,600 --> 00:24:05,520 Speaker 2: Is going to get voted in. Yeah, Now who has 452 00:24:05,560 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: said that the Democrats are going to challenge the redistricting 453 00:24:09,280 --> 00:24:12,480 Speaker 2: maps in court even if they are able to pass 454 00:24:12,520 --> 00:24:16,199 Speaker 2: through this House vote. And as we know, the courts 455 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:19,520 Speaker 2: are the last bastion for democracy and will save us all. 456 00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,840 Speaker 2: We suspected that this whole walkout is more performative than 457 00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:28,520 Speaker 2: anything else and would not actually lead to than killing 458 00:24:28,600 --> 00:24:31,920 Speaker 2: this map. And instead of remaining out of the state 459 00:24:32,080 --> 00:24:36,520 Speaker 2: longer for a like undeterminate amount of time, possibly until November, 460 00:24:36,880 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 2: they have returned and quorum is in the chamber. 461 00:24:39,880 --> 00:24:44,000 Speaker 3: So yeah, it's it's like, it's not nothing, but it's 462 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 3: like the next just it's one step up from nothing. 463 00:24:47,119 --> 00:24:48,960 Speaker 2: It's the most democrat thing to do. 464 00:24:49,119 --> 00:24:52,200 Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, but why why only do half of what 465 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:52,960 Speaker 1: was necessary? 466 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:57,679 Speaker 3: Yeah, Sophie, you you're asking this question because you didn't 467 00:24:58,160 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 3: grow up in Texas. 468 00:25:00,080 --> 00:25:03,439 Speaker 1: I went to the Democratic National Convention. I understand the 469 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:04,159 Speaker 1: half effort. 470 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:05,320 Speaker 4: Here's the reality. 471 00:25:05,640 --> 00:25:08,679 Speaker 3: Texas Democratic Party exists to disappoint you. 472 00:25:08,880 --> 00:25:11,480 Speaker 4: That's why, that's why all this is happening. 473 00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:16,479 Speaker 1: I just feel like the entire Texas Democratic Party is 474 00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: just like a Bedo O'Rourke. H Like, not literally, but 475 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: the concept of Beto O'Rourke. 476 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:23,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, not wrong. 477 00:25:24,840 --> 00:25:28,240 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all it's all there. Never never put your 478 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 3: faith in Texas and any part of Texas and you'll 479 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,760 Speaker 3: be disappointed less. I've been telling people this for a 480 00:25:33,800 --> 00:25:34,320 Speaker 3: long time. 481 00:25:34,880 --> 00:25:36,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's like the second thing you told me. 482 00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:41,359 Speaker 3: Every year. Democrats in other parts of the country every 483 00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,520 Speaker 3: couple of years get like excited. It's the Charlie Brown 484 00:25:44,520 --> 00:25:46,639 Speaker 3: syndrom where they're like, oh my god, Texas might be 485 00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:50,040 Speaker 3: about to flip or something otherwise, good Ted Ted Cruz 486 00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:51,960 Speaker 3: is going to get forced out. We're finally going to 487 00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:54,880 Speaker 3: have something good happen in Texas politics. And every time, 488 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,040 Speaker 3: every time that football gets pulled away. 489 00:25:58,080 --> 00:26:02,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, so it's it's feels not great that the minority 490 00:26:02,840 --> 00:26:06,959 Speaker 2: leaders kind of patting themselves on the back for taking 491 00:26:07,240 --> 00:26:11,880 Speaker 2: basically a two week vacation to Illinoising California and then 492 00:26:12,000 --> 00:26:15,600 Speaker 2: returning and having this go through. So, I don't know, 493 00:26:15,640 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 2: we'll see this develops. The California is promising to do 494 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:22,919 Speaker 2: their own redistricting to equal out the amount of like 495 00:26:23,080 --> 00:26:27,640 Speaker 2: map changes, both adding five more seats for the respective parties. 496 00:26:29,080 --> 00:26:29,840 Speaker 1: It's annoying. 497 00:26:30,240 --> 00:26:32,160 Speaker 2: It's just annoying. It's just annoying. 498 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:36,480 Speaker 4: Like a nice piece of performance. So I guess you 499 00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:39,160 Speaker 4: know what else is annoying things. 500 00:26:38,960 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 2: That I don't think they're annoying at all. I value 501 00:26:41,040 --> 00:26:42,520 Speaker 2: each and every advertiser. 502 00:26:42,840 --> 00:26:45,720 Speaker 4: Garrison actually personally vets all of our advertisers, so you 503 00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 4: can reach out to them. 504 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:56,800 Speaker 3: No, no, no, I agree, this is canon. Now, if 505 00:26:56,800 --> 00:27:00,400 Speaker 3: you're ever unhappy with an advertiser, find Garrison's personal phone 506 00:27:00,440 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 3: number and and hit him up. 507 00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: No no, no, no, oh god, time to go into 508 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:08,480 Speaker 1: blocking spree. 509 00:27:19,840 --> 00:27:24,320 Speaker 2: All right, we are back Putin. I guess puts a guy. 510 00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:27,800 Speaker 1: That That's actually how I would describe the meeting between 511 00:27:27,880 --> 00:27:30,400 Speaker 1: a Trump and Putin and Alaska Putin. 512 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, that's pretty much how it went. They had, 513 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:35,800 Speaker 2: they had a little meeting. 514 00:27:36,200 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: There are some insane conspiracy theories that he sent a 515 00:27:39,480 --> 00:27:40,080 Speaker 1: body double. 516 00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:40,639 Speaker 4: Oh wow. 517 00:27:40,760 --> 00:27:43,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it's one of my favorite things. 518 00:27:43,200 --> 00:27:46,560 Speaker 2: There's always insane conspiracy theories supported. 519 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:49,560 Speaker 1: From BBC News actually, which I find funny. 520 00:27:49,760 --> 00:27:53,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm glad that BBCs is on the is on 521 00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 2: the pulse of of theories spreading online. 522 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:56,760 Speaker 4: Yeah yeah, no. 523 00:27:56,960 --> 00:28:00,159 Speaker 3: And and people are just now figuring out again that 524 00:28:00,280 --> 00:28:04,280 Speaker 3: whenever world leaders travel to foreign countries for summits. At 525 00:28:04,280 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 3: this level, they take their poop back with them And yeah, 526 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 3: I saw an article being like, is it true, did 527 00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:11,320 Speaker 3: Putin really take his poop back? And yes, they all 528 00:28:11,400 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 3: do because they don't want it to get analyzed to 529 00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,480 Speaker 3: find evidence of health issues. Like the president has his 530 00:28:16,520 --> 00:28:19,000 Speaker 3: poop taken home every time you go overseas. 531 00:28:19,080 --> 00:28:20,280 Speaker 4: This is just the way things are. 532 00:28:21,160 --> 00:28:24,320 Speaker 2: Frankly, I think if we're able to get the Putin poop, 533 00:28:24,359 --> 00:28:26,560 Speaker 2: you can make a clone of put and then that 534 00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:31,960 Speaker 2: could be the body show we use it. Yeah, yeah, 535 00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 2: stuff that like the fifties of CIA still existed, as 536 00:28:37,680 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 2: they still. 537 00:28:38,120 --> 00:28:38,920 Speaker 4: Had the juice. 538 00:28:38,960 --> 00:28:40,200 Speaker 3: It'd be a lot more fun. 539 00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:46,600 Speaker 2: You would be doing in that really unethical human cloning 540 00:28:46,680 --> 00:28:50,400 Speaker 2: project where you have this like shambling like undead corpse 541 00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000 Speaker 2: of that we can profim Christ. But that's basically how 542 00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:54,680 Speaker 2: the meeting went. 543 00:28:54,920 --> 00:28:59,360 Speaker 5: Sorry for derailing my bad, no, because the meeting is 544 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 5: kind of enough burger. At this point, there was reports 545 00:29:02,560 --> 00:29:06,120 Speaker 5: that Putin basically ranted to Trump about how Ukraine's always 546 00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:09,200 Speaker 5: has been a part of Russia and the meeting didn't 547 00:29:09,240 --> 00:29:11,920 Speaker 5: really go anywhere. Putin ignored a question on if he 548 00:29:11,920 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 5: would quote stop killing civilians, so Yeah, that's basically how 549 00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:19,600 Speaker 5: the whole how the whole debacle went. And I think 550 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 5: it's really indicative that like a day or two after 551 00:29:23,400 --> 00:29:27,120 Speaker 5: this happened, Trump had the Zelensky meeting two point zero 552 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,320 Speaker 5: in the White House, which went much better than the 553 00:29:30,320 --> 00:29:33,400 Speaker 5: previous Zelensky meeting, and Trump was a lot more friendly 554 00:29:33,520 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: with silenskily this time around. 555 00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:38,800 Speaker 3: Apparently Zelensky has been going around other European leaders getting 556 00:29:38,800 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 3: advice on how to like talk with it Trump. 557 00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:43,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, he gave him, gave him a letter which which 558 00:29:43,400 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 2: Trump Trump really appreciates and likes. The uh started by 559 00:29:48,000 --> 00:29:51,480 Speaker 2: thanking uh, thanking the first Lady for a letter as well. 560 00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:55,560 Speaker 2: So there's always like little polite gestures that Trump really enjoys. 561 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:56,280 Speaker 5: Yeah. 562 00:29:56,320 --> 00:29:58,520 Speaker 4: He likes to be like honored and venerated. 563 00:29:59,000 --> 00:30:03,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, so indulged in that war of a fairly a 564 00:30:03,360 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: fairly spiffy all black suits. I liked it. It's a 565 00:30:06,520 --> 00:30:09,160 Speaker 2: good it was a good suit. So it's but it 566 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:10,800 Speaker 2: is it is very indicative if you look at like 567 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:13,640 Speaker 2: how the last Selenski meeting went and then after Trump 568 00:30:13,920 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 2: was around putin for like a few hours, how how 569 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:21,680 Speaker 2: how Trump's mood was noticeably different around Zelenski this time around, 570 00:30:22,120 --> 00:30:25,000 Speaker 2: So we'll see. I don't think we're gonna have any 571 00:30:25,240 --> 00:30:28,840 Speaker 2: conclusion to the conflict in Ukraine anytime soon based on 572 00:30:28,880 --> 00:30:31,280 Speaker 2: how these two meetings went. There was there was reporting 573 00:30:31,320 --> 00:30:32,920 Speaker 2: that they were trying to set up a meeting between 574 00:30:32,920 --> 00:30:37,200 Speaker 2: Putin and Zelensky, though that has since been denied. It 575 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,960 Speaker 2: sits this constant like back and forth, like like it 576 00:30:40,040 --> 00:30:42,160 Speaker 2: has been the past, like two four years. 577 00:30:42,200 --> 00:30:44,000 Speaker 3: But Trump is going to bring an end to the war. 578 00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:46,480 Speaker 3: He's the peace president, kind of get a Nobel Prize. 579 00:30:46,800 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, did you know that Trump's ended six wars? Six, seven, 580 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:51,600 Speaker 2: six or seven? Wow? 581 00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:55,520 Speaker 4: Wow, it's I love it. 582 00:30:55,560 --> 00:30:57,280 Speaker 3: I love it when you can't keep track of how 583 00:30:57,280 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 3: many wars you ended. 584 00:31:00,840 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 2: I got one other story I would like to discuss. 585 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,520 Speaker 2: I'm sure James will have some comments on this as well, 586 00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:11,120 Speaker 2: on a series of unfortunate ICE actions, including the first 587 00:31:11,120 --> 00:31:14,360 Speaker 2: instant that I'm aware of where federal agents have shot 588 00:31:14,400 --> 00:31:18,719 Speaker 2: their firearms during an enforcement operation at least as of 589 00:31:19,080 --> 00:31:24,640 Speaker 2: the Trump administration two point zero. On Saturday morning, August sixteenth, 590 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:27,760 Speaker 2: in San Bernardino, a family was pulled over by massed 591 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 2: federal agents in what DHS has since claimed was a 592 00:31:30,600 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 2: quote unquote targeted enforcement operation. As Customs and Border Protection 593 00:31:35,800 --> 00:31:38,360 Speaker 2: approached the vehicle, the family inside stread of recording on 594 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: their cell phones and asked for identification. When the family 595 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 2: refused to roll down the windows of the car, federal 596 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:47,480 Speaker 2: agents smashed windows on both sides of the vehicle and 597 00:31:47,560 --> 00:31:51,200 Speaker 2: reached inside. At this point, the driver pulled the car forward, 598 00:31:51,600 --> 00:31:54,800 Speaker 2: and federal agents shot at the vehicle three times before 599 00:31:54,840 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 2: the car sped away. I'll play the video here for posterity. 600 00:32:00,200 --> 00:32:03,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, do you want what do you want? 601 00:32:03,200 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 2: Identification? You can't do So those three pops at the 602 00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:27,080 Speaker 2: end were the three gunshots. 603 00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is a wild one. 604 00:32:29,280 --> 00:32:33,680 Speaker 2: The driver told NBC Los Angeles, quote, I had to 605 00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:36,719 Speaker 2: protect my life and my family unquote. 606 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,560 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's worth noting. I guess these agents like the 607 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,360 Speaker 4: more uniform than some. 608 00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, they have badges visible on plate carriers. 609 00:32:46,520 --> 00:32:46,840 Speaker 4: Yeah. 610 00:32:46,920 --> 00:32:51,040 Speaker 2: They did not establish much communication between themselves and the 611 00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:53,840 Speaker 2: family as they approached the vehicle. There's a lot of 612 00:32:53,880 --> 00:32:55,120 Speaker 2: like yelling back and forth. 613 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,719 Speaker 4: Yeah. You can hear the man telling his son they 614 00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:58,800 Speaker 4: don't open it. Yeah. 615 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,680 Speaker 2: The father is telling his kids in the car not 616 00:33:00,720 --> 00:33:02,720 Speaker 2: to roll down the windows, not to open the doors 617 00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: as the federal agents asked for the car to be opened, 618 00:33:05,760 --> 00:33:09,480 Speaker 2: and then they initiate force. The man here has lived 619 00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,440 Speaker 2: in the US for twenty three years and does not 620 00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,080 Speaker 2: have legal status as to adult sons who are in 621 00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:18,880 Speaker 2: the vehicle are both US citizens, according to Javier Hernandez, 622 00:33:19,440 --> 00:33:22,640 Speaker 2: the executive director of the Inland Coalition for Immigrant Justice, 623 00:33:22,720 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 2: who has spoken about this incident on behalf of the 624 00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:30,760 Speaker 2: family to local press. DHS gave a statement to NBC 625 00:33:30,800 --> 00:33:33,800 Speaker 2: Los Angeles. Quote, in the course of the incident, the 626 00:33:33,840 --> 00:33:37,840 Speaker 2: suspect drove his car at the officers and struck two 627 00:33:38,280 --> 00:33:41,440 Speaker 2: Customs of Voter Protection officers with his vehicle on quote, 628 00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:45,800 Speaker 2: saying that because the driver tried to quoteunquote run down 629 00:33:46,200 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 2: the agents, a CPB officer was forced to quote discharge 630 00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,840 Speaker 2: his firearm in self defense unquote. So that is the 631 00:33:54,920 --> 00:33:58,000 Speaker 2: justification that they are using, is that this vehicle was 632 00:33:58,040 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: moving in the direction of office and officers acted in 633 00:34:01,840 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 2: self defense by shooting at the car. 634 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,760 Speaker 4: That doesn't seem to line up with the video that 635 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:07,320 Speaker 4: we just saw. 636 00:34:07,560 --> 00:34:11,200 Speaker 2: No, the cell phone footage from inside does not show 637 00:34:11,320 --> 00:34:14,880 Speaker 2: officers being hit by the vehicle. It could be the 638 00:34:14,960 --> 00:34:17,320 Speaker 2: case that you can see that one of the officers 639 00:34:17,320 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 2: reaching into the car. You can see if the car 640 00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 2: was pulling away, his arm may have the door. Like 641 00:34:24,760 --> 00:34:27,359 Speaker 2: the officers are standing next to the car in the video, 642 00:34:27,400 --> 00:34:29,800 Speaker 2: it's not clear that there's any officers placed in front 643 00:34:29,800 --> 00:34:30,440 Speaker 2: of the vehicle. 644 00:34:30,560 --> 00:34:33,120 Speaker 4: So yeah, his foot could have got run over. Maybe 645 00:34:33,160 --> 00:34:35,839 Speaker 4: if he's like leaning standing there close to the. 646 00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:39,400 Speaker 2: Car, the car may have bumped officers. It does not 647 00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,520 Speaker 2: appear like this man I was trying to quote unquote 648 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,200 Speaker 2: run over the police. 649 00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,839 Speaker 4: In fact, he was driving away from them. Yes. 650 00:34:46,880 --> 00:34:49,120 Speaker 2: The family says that the federal agents refused to identify 651 00:34:49,160 --> 00:34:52,720 Speaker 2: themselves and did not provide a judicial warrant that DHS 652 00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:56,800 Speaker 2: has refused to answer whether agents had warrants, and after 653 00:34:56,840 --> 00:34:59,520 Speaker 2: the shooting, the driver called the San Bernardino Police Department 654 00:34:59,560 --> 00:35:02,760 Speaker 2: to report that massman pulled his car over, broke windows, 655 00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:05,040 Speaker 2: and shot at him and his family. Police came to 656 00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,640 Speaker 2: his house and spoke with the driver, but did not 657 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:09,840 Speaker 2: arrest the man because California police cannot legally assist federal 658 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:12,759 Speaker 2: agents with immigration enforcement, according to a statement from the 659 00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 2: police department, DHS made a statement criticizing the police for 660 00:35:17,680 --> 00:35:21,520 Speaker 2: not taking the driver into custody. Quote. This reckless decision 661 00:35:21,600 --> 00:35:24,920 Speaker 2: came despite the subject's outright refusal to comply, and his 662 00:35:25,080 --> 00:35:29,600 Speaker 2: wounding of two federal officers has yet another tragic example 663 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:33,640 Speaker 2: of California's pro sanctuary policies that shield criminals instead of 664 00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,759 Speaker 2: protecting communities. En quote, this is. 665 00:35:36,719 --> 00:35:37,960 Speaker 3: What we're calling wounding. 666 00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 2: Huh. 667 00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:39,000 Speaker 4: Yes. 668 00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 2: The severity of the two officers alleged woundings has not 669 00:35:44,560 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 2: been specified. Police later returned to the home along with 670 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:51,279 Speaker 2: ICE and Homeland security investigations, but the family did not 671 00:35:51,360 --> 00:35:53,440 Speaker 2: let them enter as they did not have a warrant, 672 00:35:53,800 --> 00:35:57,799 Speaker 2: though police made one non immigration related arrest outside of 673 00:35:57,800 --> 00:36:00,920 Speaker 2: the home as community members rallied to other in support 674 00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,280 Speaker 2: of the family. As of two days ago, the DHS 675 00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:08,200 Speaker 2: has said that quote the suspect remains at large. 676 00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:13,440 Speaker 4: Christ This is a needless escalation that put people in danger. 677 00:36:13,680 --> 00:36:16,840 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, what else is there to say? Though, Like 678 00:36:17,520 --> 00:36:20,960 Speaker 3: it's bullshit. This is not an excuse to discharge a weapon. 679 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,640 Speaker 3: This isn't count as wounding. These people should never been 680 00:36:24,640 --> 00:36:27,839 Speaker 3: pulled over in the first place. But you know what 681 00:36:28,600 --> 00:36:31,640 Speaker 3: we are where we are, this is the way ice works. 682 00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, then this will probably happen again. I guess, like, 683 00:36:35,280 --> 00:36:39,240 Speaker 4: I'm mildly surprised if Sam Benardino police did not detain 684 00:36:39,400 --> 00:36:42,200 Speaker 4: the man on suspicion of assaulting a federal agent, which 685 00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:44,920 Speaker 4: is something that they could detain him for. It's not 686 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:50,279 Speaker 4: immigration crime. Yeah, and that is an extremely broad defense, 687 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:52,959 Speaker 4: and one doesn't have to know the person's a federal agent, 688 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:53,640 Speaker 4: for example. 689 00:36:54,640 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 2: So I guess, like where, We'll see how this develops. Yeah, 690 00:36:58,880 --> 00:37:01,439 Speaker 2: it's still unclear what's going to happened to this man. Yeah, 691 00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,440 Speaker 2: I'll check for an update next week. A few days before, 692 00:37:04,560 --> 00:37:08,680 Speaker 2: on Thursday, August fourteenth, a man fleeing in ice rate 693 00:37:08,719 --> 00:37:11,680 Speaker 2: at a home depot in Monrovia, California, was hit and 694 00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:15,960 Speaker 2: killed while attempting to cross the two to ten freeway 695 00:37:16,320 --> 00:37:20,479 Speaker 2: on foot. Local activists say that during the same raid, 696 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,000 Speaker 2: ice hit someone in the leg with one of their 697 00:37:23,080 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 2: vehicles and that person was taken into custody. 698 00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 4: This is tragic, right, Yeah. The reckless use of vehicles 699 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:36,759 Speaker 4: in LA was remarkable, and I've covered a good deal 700 00:37:36,800 --> 00:37:41,279 Speaker 4: of protests and a good deal of places. The use 701 00:37:41,320 --> 00:37:47,360 Speaker 4: of vehicles in an extremely dangerous way by police was notable. 702 00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 4: When I was out there covering the protests. I think 703 00:37:49,600 --> 00:37:52,480 Speaker 4: it was in June. It was something that in certainly 704 00:37:52,600 --> 00:37:55,800 Speaker 4: was very concerning to me. So it would not shock 705 00:37:55,920 --> 00:37:57,880 Speaker 4: me if people had been hit by an ICE vehicle. 706 00:37:58,560 --> 00:38:00,560 Speaker 4: But yeah, this is a tragedy. And again and like, 707 00:38:01,000 --> 00:38:04,360 Speaker 4: because the stakes are taking everything in someone's life away 708 00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,400 Speaker 4: from them, we're going to see this happen more often. 709 00:38:07,520 --> 00:38:10,879 Speaker 2: Right, No, it can cause people to do brash, run 710 00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:13,160 Speaker 2: safe things like attempt to cross the busy freeway. 711 00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, the two tens are very busy freeway always. 712 00:38:16,080 --> 00:38:17,560 Speaker 2: Now, it's extremely tragic. 713 00:38:18,080 --> 00:38:22,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, this is yeah, really sad. So Ed Sauce reporting 714 00:38:22,360 --> 00:38:26,560 Speaker 4: that a student out of California, Benjamin Guerrero Kruth, who 715 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,560 Speaker 4: had just turned eighteen, just begind a senior year of 716 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:32,640 Speaker 4: high school, was detained by immigration authorities from walking his dog. 717 00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:38,319 Speaker 4: One of his former teachers visited him and mentioned that 718 00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,040 Speaker 4: he had overheard He had told her that he had 719 00:38:41,080 --> 00:38:44,000 Speaker 4: overheard ICE agent talking about receiving a fifteen hundred dollar 720 00:38:44,600 --> 00:38:46,960 Speaker 4: bounty for making his arrest. 721 00:38:47,480 --> 00:38:50,279 Speaker 2: Yeah. Well, like in some promotional videos from DHS and ICE, 722 00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:53,440 Speaker 2: they've been boasting about bonuses not only for signing on 723 00:38:53,520 --> 00:38:55,960 Speaker 2: for this recruitment ry that they're doing, but also like 724 00:38:56,080 --> 00:39:00,640 Speaker 2: cash bonuses for immigrants getting arrested and deported. And there's 725 00:39:00,680 --> 00:39:03,960 Speaker 2: been multiple clips of of of of agents like talking 726 00:39:03,960 --> 00:39:06,280 Speaker 2: about this or like you know, talking about I wonder 727 00:39:06,320 --> 00:39:07,719 Speaker 2: how much of a bonus we're going to get for 728 00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 2: these batch of arrests. So this is this has been 729 00:39:11,160 --> 00:39:14,560 Speaker 2: something noticed in multiple states. I've heard of this in Florida, 730 00:39:14,960 --> 00:39:16,640 Speaker 2: and this sounds like it's in California. 731 00:39:16,680 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 4: You said, yeah, California. 732 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So this is this is a pattern, and 733 00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:23,480 Speaker 2: it's not even very glorified bounty hunting, because it's not 734 00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:27,000 Speaker 2: really glorified but essentially essentially bounty hunting. 735 00:39:27,239 --> 00:39:29,680 Speaker 4: Yeah, that might be why we're seeing some of these 736 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:33,640 Speaker 4: like insane arrests right of people who would never normally 737 00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,560 Speaker 4: expect to see. 738 00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:36,800 Speaker 1: We reported the news there. 739 00:39:37,360 --> 00:39:49,120 Speaker 2: We reported the news. We reported the news. 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