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Speaker 1: in Barrie, Ohio. This is Cleveland Browns Daily, brought to

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Speaker 1: Nathan Segura.

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Speaker 2: Alright, let's do a live on a Monday initiative flee

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Speaker 2: Le Brons Daily. I am merely. Bo Gibbe is behind

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Speaker 2: the glass. Doctor Z is off today chasing the small

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Speaker 2: ball in an outing.

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Speaker 3: It's a nice, cool day, cool Chris.

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Speaker 2: I'm gonna tell you you and I do this sometimes

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Speaker 2: we give him a little hell for these type of things.

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Speaker 2: Absolutely just because it's stick. I mean, we like to

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Speaker 2: have fun with him. We love him. I don't I

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Speaker 2: wouldn't trade places with him. I can say that emphatically,

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Speaker 2: Like if you he said all right, you can come

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Speaker 2: out here, I'll do that, I would say, nope, I'm good.

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Speaker 2: It's hot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah. Yesterday I had the whole family over because

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Speaker 3: you know, we don't do anything smaller on the other side,

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Speaker 3: like solid twenty two people. It's solid, and everybody's like, oh,

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Speaker 3: it's a nice breeze back here. It's great. I am

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Speaker 3: over the grill, and I'm like, this is easily one

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Speaker 3: hundred and fifteen right now. Easy. I don't know exactly

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Speaker 3: what breeze you're speaking of, but I feel like I've

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Speaker 3: sweated off half a person.

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Speaker 2: Here, all right, to that end, when did we start

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Speaker 2: warning about excessive heat as a weather feature? When did

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Speaker 2: this become a thing? Yesterday?

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Speaker 3: Why? I'm aware?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I mean, I'll get to how it didn't

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Speaker 2: impact me because I was on the peacock, so it didn't,

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Speaker 2: but it did at the club they had it on.

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Speaker 2: But when did this become a thing? It's June, it's hot.

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Speaker 2: Like to me, I don't need a weather banner for

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Speaker 2: it's hot. Weather banner me on thunderstorms, extreme weather, me

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Speaker 2: on tornadoes. Fine, absolutely well, the whole blood warning blood

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Speaker 2: warnings fine, makes sense. I don't know why we had

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Speaker 2: to do an excessive heat What felt like from the

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Speaker 2: it was about every seven to ten minutes. Yeah, there

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Speaker 2: was an excessive heat thing. And it wasn't like it

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Speaker 2: was just like it's going to be one hundred and

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Speaker 2: thirty seven degrees for the next hour, please seek shelter.

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Speaker 2: It was it's gonna be hot all week. Dude, that's

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Speaker 2: just a forecast. Yeah, and I was in that business

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Speaker 2: for a long time. That's just a forecast. It's hot,

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Speaker 2: it's hot. What can we do? Get flee? Where are

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Speaker 2: we going to go? Take shelter for a week because

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Speaker 2: it's hot?

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Speaker 3: You want to fly to Alaska?

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Speaker 2: Where we're gonna go?

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Speaker 3: I want to go to Maine, maybe Maine. I've been

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Speaker 3: to Maine in the summer.

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Speaker 2: It's cool.

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Speaker 3: D Luth, Minnesota, I've been there and it sucked. It's

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm just looking at it like it's really

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Speaker 2: hot this week. I mean it's it's it's ninety five,

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Speaker 3: It's kind of set up maybe a record today.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it feels like it. It's a June An oven.

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Speaker 2: But it's also summer. Correct, this happens. And by the way,

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Speaker 2: two weeks ago it was sixty and fifty eight, so

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Speaker 2: it this all works itself out. Yeah, I didn't understand that.

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Speaker 2: So I did not understand the excessive heat thing.

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Speaker 3: I have seen that before. Like just open your door

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Speaker 2: It's not going it's ninety five. It's not going to

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Speaker 2: be the end of your life, correct, right, I mean

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Speaker 2: there are people who live in the south and in

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Speaker 2: the desert that's one hundred and seventeen. It's really hot.

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Speaker 2: If you're somebody who doesn't have shelter, get to a shelter.

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Speaker 2: But it's not it's not biblically hot. Correct.

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Speaker 3: Jeez, I didn't understand that at all.

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Speaker 2: I'd understand the.

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Speaker 3: Point of that, and like him, like you said, you

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Speaker 3: Like you check on your loved ones, make sure everybody's good.

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Speaker 3: But it's hot. It's summer. I would take this over

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Speaker 2: This is what it is. It's in the brochure. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's all there. Do you want to do the breaking

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Speaker 3: We should do the breaking We should probably do the

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Speaker 3: breaking news because it does involve us.

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Speaker 2: It does involve us. So this is fun schefter with

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Speaker 2: this among others. For the first time, Hard Knocks in

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Speaker 2: season will feature a division, and that division is the

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Speaker 2: AFC North. It's going to debut on Tuesday, December third,

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Speaker 2: at nine o'clock on HBO. It's gonna stream on Maxwell.

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Speaker 2: There's air on Tuesdays through the end of the NFL

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Speaker 2: regular season, continue into the NFL playoffs in January of

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. So what's interesting about this is I

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Speaker 2: have not had much use for the Hard Knocks off

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Speaker 2: season that I think they're doing with the Giants. I

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Speaker 2: don't even know if it started yet. I'm not into it.

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Speaker 2: I don't even know if it's aired. I'm not going

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Speaker 2: to be into it if it has. I really love

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Speaker 2: Hard Knocks training cap Yes, when that's on. I don't

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Speaker 2: think I've ever missed one, whether it was I've seen

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Speaker 2: all of them, the Lions, Jets, most recently US, which

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Speaker 2: was a really interesting perspective because we were in the

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Speaker 2: that they were telling, but it feels like they've gotten

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Speaker 2: that rectified with the upcoming seasons. So last year they

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Speaker 2: did in season was it with Arizona? Yep, I didn't

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Speaker 2: watch an episode of it.

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Speaker 3: No, they did the Colts. I think the year before that,

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Speaker 2: Now I'm going to watch this. I mean, they picked

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Speaker 2: a great division. This is the most interesting division in football.

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Speaker 2: So there's a great deal of intrigue around these four teams.

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Speaker 2: Any one of these four could win the division. I

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Speaker 2: know sometimes he'll say, well not Pittsburgh, but I don't

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Speaker 2: know if russ play went to the postseason with incompetency, like,

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Speaker 2: I think anybody in this division could win it. I

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Speaker 2: think they're all playoff teams. So you picked the right division.

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Speaker 2: The question will be the access that they're given. And

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Speaker 2: the thing that's hard for me about the in season

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Speaker 2: hard knocks is I don't have enough time to watch

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Speaker 2: all the things I want to correct.

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Speaker 3: I'm tapped now. The only thing I'll say it starts

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Speaker 3: week thirteen. I know, I believe that is the day

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it would have been backloaded, right, so you

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Speaker 2: would have got like the first month of the season

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Speaker 2: would be December whatever, You know what I mean, they're

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Speaker 2: going to be telling the stories of like September in December.

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Speaker 3: I don't know that I would think. I don't think

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Speaker 3: that's it. They didn't do that last well, I don't know.

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Speaker 2: I didn't watch it. My hunch was that they would

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Speaker 3: But that's I was wondering when filming would start. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: but I mean, you take a look at our last

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Speaker 3: remaining games from that point on at Pittsburgh home for

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Speaker 3: cac at Cincinnati, Miami at home at Baltimore. Something tells

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Speaker 3: me that if we're good, we're going to be featured

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Speaker 2: How are you even gonna how in the hell are

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Speaker 3: That will be fascinating to watch because, yeah, featuring one team, okay,

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Speaker 3: that's easy to do. Featuring four, that all four could

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Speaker 3: be in a playoff contention, yeah, down the stretch. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you determine that.

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Speaker 2: Well, now it's one more thing I gotta watch, though, like,

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Speaker 2: I gotta lock into this.

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Speaker 3: Outs Bishop, I feel like you can handle this.

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Speaker 2: I don't know if I can. That time of year.

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Speaker 2: I'm in the middle of basketball. I got sixteen holidays,

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Speaker 2: A lot going on. Brother, there's a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: But I'll be into it now. I mean I haven't

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Speaker 2: they did with the Colts and the Cardinals.

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Speaker 3: I saw the Colts want a couple times, and it

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Speaker 2: I wonder why they're not starting it until December then

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I bet you want to know who's going to

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Speaker 2: I mean you're talking you're like ten twelve games in

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean what if Burrow goes down again?

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Speaker 3: I mean, are you featuring the Bengals? Probably not.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, it's fascinating stuff. It's going to be

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Speaker 3: I wonder how they'll do it because remember the last time,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't like there were camera crews just walking around.

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Speaker 3: Remember every there were like little cameras set up in

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Speaker 2: Here when they were here. Yeah, yeah, and all.

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Speaker 3: Of a sudden the light would turn green. You were like, crap,

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Speaker 2: Well yeah, And then the thing the other thing that

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Speaker 2: kind of interesting was the can they possibly have that

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Speaker 3: Over four teams? Correct? You know what I mean?

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Speaker 2: And then like, how willing are you as a coach

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Speaker 2: we know how secretly our guy goes about business anyway

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Speaker 3: He says nothing, So like, I don't know if they're

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Speaker 2: No, No, there's no chance anybody in that in that operation,

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Speaker 3: But like when they were here, that conference room outside

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Speaker 3: our office, was you were that was their editing studio. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: they had curtains all the way up to the top

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Speaker 2: Do you think that ours is the best example of

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Speaker 2: a team or maybe the most notorious example of a

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Speaker 2: team misdirected them. Oh yeah, because the team's previous to us.

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Speaker 2: And then the ones that have followed have played the hits.

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Speaker 2: They've all played the hits. I mean, it was the

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers Show last year the Lions played the hits.

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Speaker 2: It was all Dan Campbell like, we they got with us.

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Speaker 2: There's nothing. I mean, what came to me? They're calling

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Speaker 2: Broke and Roeback. Yeah, could juice remember that?

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Speaker 3: I mean Larl Massive with financial advice, right.

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Speaker 2: That was funny. There was some funny stuff in there,

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Speaker 2: like the most. The one that I remember the most

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Speaker 2: was like Hugh like making a big deal telling Baker

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Speaker 2: Here's what I would say. So NBC said this to me.

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Speaker 2: But they were so thirsty for some personality to sell

433
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Speaker 2: it that they were really pushing his pushing his agenda

434
00:20:58,119 --> 00:21:00,720
Speaker 2: really outwardly. I almost at one point, I'm like, I

435
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,720
Speaker 2: wonder if NBC is going to get in business with Live,

436
00:21:03,720 --> 00:21:05,320
Speaker 2: Like I kind of wondered if that was the case,

437
00:21:05,359 --> 00:21:08,320
Speaker 2: because it was like, this is so much, as my

438
00:21:08,400 --> 00:21:11,960
Speaker 2: kids say, glossing of him, that it was really out

439
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,280
Speaker 2: of control. Considering how small the lead was correct minimal

440
00:21:15,640 --> 00:21:18,840
Speaker 2: throughout both days, it was very he wasn't even obviously

441
00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,440
Speaker 2: wasn't even the well when did he get the lead?

442
00:21:21,440 --> 00:21:26,000
Speaker 2: He took the lead on Saturday, correct, but so but

443
00:21:26,000 --> 00:21:29,680
Speaker 2: but it was overwhelming him. The praise of him and

444
00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: just as they say, glossing, So yeah, I is he

445
00:21:34,080 --> 00:21:36,399
Speaker 2: the face of He's the face of the majors. The

446
00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,840
Speaker 2: other thing I would say is, I made this point

447
00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:45,000
Speaker 2: last week, was Zee the vast majority of view out

448
00:21:45,000 --> 00:21:48,240
Speaker 2: there listening, And this is an NFL show, so probably

449
00:21:48,280 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 2: even more than that are casual golf fans. You were

450
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,720
Speaker 2: watching the majors, and you might be watching a tournament

451
00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:57,959
Speaker 2: if there's one in your town. So when we used

452
00:21:57,960 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 2: to have Firestone or Memorial where you, oh, I've played

453
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:05,399
Speaker 2: that course, what's that look like? Right? You'll watch the

454
00:22:05,440 --> 00:22:07,560
Speaker 2: Majors and maybe one or two other events at most,

455
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: but probably just majors really and really probably just on

456
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 2: Sunday of a Major and catch it here and there.

457
00:22:14,000 --> 00:22:17,640
Speaker 2: Golf hasn't changed for you. It hasn't changed at all.

458
00:22:18,200 --> 00:22:20,720
Speaker 2: If you didn't notice, if like, if you had no point.

459
00:22:20,840 --> 00:22:22,280
Speaker 2: In fact, one of the boys said, I think Beams.

460
00:22:22,320 --> 00:22:25,399
Speaker 2: He said dead. What brand is Bryson's at? He was curious, like,

461
00:22:25,480 --> 00:22:28,360
Speaker 2: is that you know a golf brand? I'm like, well,

462
00:22:28,359 --> 00:22:30,879
Speaker 2: that's his Live team. He's like, what's that and I'm like, so,

463
00:22:30,960 --> 00:22:32,680
Speaker 2: I was explaining it to him. But like the vast

464
00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:35,280
Speaker 2: majority of people, golf hasn't changed it at all. No,

465
00:22:35,520 --> 00:22:38,600
Speaker 2: Kepka's there, Deshambo's there, Rom would have been there without

466
00:22:38,640 --> 00:22:41,760
Speaker 2: the injury. You're just watching the majors. You watch the

467
00:22:41,760 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 2: PGA Championship, but De Shambo's there, Showfley's there. You're not

468
00:22:45,480 --> 00:22:48,280
Speaker 2: watching week to week. You're not watching the RBC. You're

469
00:22:48,280 --> 00:22:51,119
Speaker 2: not watching wherever they are this week. Hartford, Yeah, watching that.

470
00:22:51,160 --> 00:22:52,879
Speaker 2: You'll tune in a couple of weeks at the Open.

471
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Speaker 2: That's it. So golf hasn't changed for those people really

472
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Speaker 2: at all. And that's the That's the other part of

473
00:23:01,640 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 2: it is that you're still getting You're still getting golf

474
00:23:06,040 --> 00:23:08,080
Speaker 2: the way you remember it. You're still getting these up

475
00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:11,040
Speaker 2: and comers. Is Bryce in the face of golf.

476
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Speaker 3: I the PGA may not want to admit it, but

477
00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:17,359
Speaker 3: they need someone like that.

478
00:23:19,840 --> 00:23:24,920
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any saving it really, not the PGA,

479
00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,720
Speaker 2: not the PGA too or not live. I think diehard

480
00:23:27,760 --> 00:23:30,639
Speaker 2: people watch it and that's it. But I think the

481
00:23:30,680 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: other thing that's happened during this time is that that

482
00:23:33,280 --> 00:23:37,320
Speaker 2: Tiger happened, and Tiger came and went, and Tiger was

483
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:42,320
Speaker 2: Tiger was a phoenix that was gonna happen. It was

484
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,680
Speaker 2: gonna happen once. It was a He's a comet, right,

485
00:23:45,920 --> 00:23:48,760
Speaker 2: it comes through one time, there's no duplicating it. You'll

486
00:23:48,760 --> 00:23:51,760
Speaker 2: never see it again. It's done. It was always going

487
00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:55,080
Speaker 2: to revert back. From a number standpoint, the only thing

488
00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:57,560
Speaker 2: in sports that's trending up or the two football's NFL.

489
00:23:57,600 --> 00:24:00,520
Speaker 2: In college, everything else is trending down. There's so you know,

490
00:24:00,560 --> 00:24:02,640
Speaker 2: sometimes some of the college stuff does a little better,

491
00:24:03,280 --> 00:24:05,400
Speaker 2: but for the most part, it's all all trending down.

492
00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:08,520
Speaker 2: There's with it. With a couple of exceptions. I don't

493
00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:10,640
Speaker 2: think there was ever going to be a situation where

494
00:24:10,640 --> 00:24:12,760
Speaker 2: golf was going to maintain the interest it had when

495
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:15,440
Speaker 2: Tiger played. There was no player that was going to

496
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,359
Speaker 2: fix it. There was no elixir that he was. He

497
00:24:18,520 --> 00:24:22,200
Speaker 2: was one of one. And so I think that most

498
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:25,160
Speaker 2: people watch majors, and if you just watch the majors,

499
00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:29,200
Speaker 2: the golf is just fine. Yeah, it's fine, it was great.

500
00:24:29,240 --> 00:24:32,440
Speaker 2: I'm guessing it rates at them. I'm guessing it rates crazy.

501
00:24:32,680 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 3: Were you glued to it so No, that was. I mean,

502
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:38,200
Speaker 3: we had fam we had obligations.

503
00:24:38,240 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 2: Oh, we going on.

504
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 3: My nephew got married, congratulations to Logan and Amanda. You

505
00:24:44,560 --> 00:24:47,320
Speaker 3: know that was on Friday, but family in town Saturday

506
00:24:47,400 --> 00:24:51,240
Speaker 3: into Sunday. Yeah, you know, we're hosting Father's Day. So

507
00:24:51,720 --> 00:24:55,600
Speaker 3: I get it. I'm outside everybody's eating and I get

508
00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:59,119
Speaker 3: a text from my my neph my one nephew, and

509
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:05,080
Speaker 3: he's like, they're on sixteen and you should come inside. Yeah,

510
00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 3: because I'm like, where is he? And yeah, he's he's

511
00:25:08,840 --> 00:25:11,640
Speaker 3: watching one of my TVs. And I'm like, perfect, great,

512
00:25:11,800 --> 00:25:15,119
Speaker 3: ducking in. So I got to see the last three holes.

513
00:25:15,119 --> 00:25:19,120
Speaker 3: But like it was, I can watch a half hour here,

514
00:25:19,200 --> 00:25:20,880
Speaker 3: I can watch yeah, an hour.

515
00:25:21,080 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 2: So you didn't see Rory up two with four to play, No,

516
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,080
Speaker 2: I had just he had just choked. I think he

517
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 2: was on sixteen probably or yeah, he missed the two.

518
00:25:30,040 --> 00:25:31,280
Speaker 2: It was two foot six inches.

519
00:25:31,520 --> 00:25:33,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, on sixteen.

520
00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:36,479
Speaker 2: He had he had three out of his last foy bogeane.

521
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:39,879
Speaker 2: He makes one party. He's in a playoff, which was

522
00:25:39,880 --> 00:25:42,440
Speaker 2: the playoff just two holes three now oh it's a

523
00:25:42,560 --> 00:25:44,320
Speaker 2: three holes. Yeah. Because I had commented a couple of

524
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:48,160
Speaker 2: weeks ago that that the PGA went, I'm like, what

525
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,520
Speaker 2: was the thing for this? And Z was like, I

526
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,000
Speaker 2: think it's all eighteen. I'm so, I don't think so.

527
00:25:51,040 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 2: I think that's just the US. But then somebody said

528
00:25:53,240 --> 00:25:56,800
Speaker 2: they changed the US and the US is now just sixteen, seventeen, eighteen,

529
00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:57,600
Speaker 2: over and over again.

530
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Speaker 3: Okay, that's what we did have that because I was like,

531
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,399
Speaker 3: I don't think they play all eighteen. But if that

532
00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:09,600
Speaker 3: happens on Monday, I'm I'm I'm all in, yeah, that's great. Yeah,

533
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:11,280
Speaker 3: I'd be great. That would have been fantastic.

534
00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:15,919
Speaker 2: Absolutely, this is interesting. I was seeing that this I

535
00:26:15,920 --> 00:26:17,760
Speaker 2: thought this was going to be the case. USGA has

536
00:26:17,760 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 2: selected Pebble, Pinehurst, and Oakmont as the three anchor courses

537
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:25,119
Speaker 2: to rotate the US Open from between now until twenty

538
00:26:25,119 --> 00:26:26,920
Speaker 2: forty nine. The tournament will play at one of those

539
00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:32,080
Speaker 2: courses thirteen times. The US Open is at Oakmont next year,

540
00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:35,640
Speaker 2: so it'll be Pinehurst, Oakmont, Pebble rotate them through.

541
00:26:35,760 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 3: There'll be other ones.

542
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,760
Speaker 2: There will be other course, so once every four years

543
00:26:39,800 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 2: there will be something different and then everything else. I

544
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:46,199
Speaker 2: don't know exactly what it is, but that that kind

545
00:26:46,240 --> 00:26:49,159
Speaker 2: of sucks. So this is basically a play on the Open,

546
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:53,199
Speaker 2: right the British Open, yep, it's a play on that.

547
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:57,600
Speaker 2: How they they have the ROTA. So future sites for

548
00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,840
Speaker 2: the US Open oakmand which will be as close as

549
00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:02,239
Speaker 2: it's ever going to be from here because there's never

550
00:27:02,240 --> 00:27:03,840
Speaker 2: going to be a major in Ohio again despite this

551
00:27:03,960 --> 00:27:07,119
Speaker 2: having all these great golf courses. Then it's at Shinnacock,

552
00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,679
Speaker 2: then Pebble, then Wingfoot, then back at Pinehurst, than Marion,

553
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 2: then Riviera, than Pebble, then Oakmont, then Oakland Hills.

554
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,840
Speaker 3: Then there's a couple of years in between somewhere.

555
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,080
Speaker 2: Then Shinnecock again. But a lot of these double up,

556
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 2: Like there's a couple from Shinnacock, the country Club, LACC, Marion,

557
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:28,560
Speaker 2: gets another bit bite at the Apple, Pinehurst, Oakmont, Pebble, Pinehurst, Oakmont, Marion,

558
00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 2: Oakland Hills. So yeah, steady diet of these. I wish

559
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:35,240
Speaker 2: we could play some different ones from time to time,

560
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:37,439
Speaker 2: or at least maybe the PGA should do that. Like

561
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:40,280
Speaker 2: if the US Open wants to play these eight courses

562
00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:43,920
Speaker 2: all the time, fine, but hopefully the PGA. I don't

563
00:27:43,960 --> 00:27:46,440
Speaker 2: need to see the PGA playing courses that I associate

564
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 2: as US Open courses like I don't need them, like

565
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,959
Speaker 2: Wingfoot and Olympia. I know they're going there, but that's

566
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: that I don't need. I did get an update from

567
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:58,880
Speaker 2: the official teaching pro mister Dixon, of course, he said.

568
00:27:58,920 --> 00:28:01,199
Speaker 2: I asked him him, like, what would it handicap have

569
00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 2: shot at Pinehurst on Sunday? He said, be lucky if

570
00:28:06,680 --> 00:28:09,920
Speaker 2: it was one hundred. Honestly, he said, when Congo had

571
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,159
Speaker 2: the open, you could knock on the green and it

572
00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 2: sounded hollow. No holding it. That's how fast they were.

573
00:28:18,280 --> 00:28:22,199
Speaker 2: No chance. He also corrected me Bryson's only Bryson's irons

574
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 2: are the same length plus crazy upright, which makes that

575
00:28:25,920 --> 00:28:26,880
Speaker 2: shot even trickier.

576
00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: So there you go. He got out of it.

577
00:28:31,160 --> 00:28:32,959
Speaker 2: Yeah he was. I think he was great. And did

578
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,399
Speaker 2: you see the Golf Channel video Yeah, later how the

579
00:28:35,400 --> 00:28:37,600
Speaker 2: guy was trying to recreate and Bryson's driving in a

580
00:28:37,800 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 2: golf cart back to probably his house and he'd stopped,

581
00:28:40,400 --> 00:28:42,920
Speaker 2: stepped in the bunker. See, I think he misses all

582
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:45,120
Speaker 2: of that. I think he misses Golf Channel. I think

583
00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:48,520
Speaker 2: he misses like the attention that comes at the PGA Tour. Yeah,

584
00:28:48,600 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: I mean as even as a PGA tour. It isn't

585
00:28:50,840 --> 00:28:53,640
Speaker 2: rating like the Memorial was around two million viewers for

586
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 2: the Memorial Tournament lives one hundred and twenty five one

587
00:28:57,280 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 2: hundred and fifty thousand. That's a big difference, man, That's

588
00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:03,520
Speaker 2: a very big difference. And I think that having gone

589
00:29:03,520 --> 00:29:06,040
Speaker 2: away from it and now back in and majors are

590
00:29:06,080 --> 00:29:09,280
Speaker 2: that times of billion, there's something to it.

591
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:13,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I mean like him stopping and that the

592
00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 3: gentleman that was in the wheelchair, Like, yeah, literally he's

593
00:29:16,200 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 3: on his way to make one of the biggest shots

594
00:29:18,120 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 3: of his life and he stops to sign the guy's

595
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Speaker 3: at And I.

596
00:29:21,800 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 2: Thought it was very cool. Like I said, I wasn't

597
00:29:24,520 --> 00:29:26,920
Speaker 2: rooting for him against him, like he was easy to

598
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:30,240
Speaker 2: root for. Yeah, And I think it's really cool how

599
00:29:30,240 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 2: he's changed.

600
00:29:31,520 --> 00:29:34,760
Speaker 3: Is Kepka more of a heel now than d Schambeau.

601
00:29:35,400 --> 00:29:36,800
Speaker 2: I think I'm cool with both of them.

602
00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:38,120
Speaker 3: I love I love Brooks.

603
00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:39,840
Speaker 2: I do too. I think he's fine. I don't have

604
00:29:39,920 --> 00:29:43,480
Speaker 2: a I just think Bryson's grown up a lot. But

605
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,320
Speaker 2: that's a great example. That's when I talk about like

606
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 2: a petulant punk like he was that at one point. Yeah,

607
00:29:47,880 --> 00:29:50,560
Speaker 2: he's not anymore. So he's grown up, so good job

608
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Speaker 2: out of him.

609
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Speaker 3: It was fun.

610
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Speaker 2: Browns Now Live in oh Hi. Oh I had so,

625
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Speaker 2: I we did the We did that, We did the

626
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Speaker 2: golf afterwards, and Bootsy and I got the two older ones.

627
00:31:12,320 --> 00:31:14,120
Speaker 2: It went down to the final hole, but we we'll

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Speaker 2: hold on and win. It was tight. Earlier in the

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Speaker 2: day we had played. We played basketball, and so they

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Speaker 2: do this thing. I don't understand it, NBC and Beamsy

631
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Speaker 2: where and if they're listening, I guess I'm giving them

632
00:31:25,320 --> 00:31:26,880
Speaker 2: the keys to the kingdom here because I don't know

633
00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,200
Speaker 2: any idea why they do this. They double team me

634
00:31:29,360 --> 00:31:32,240
Speaker 2: full court and then they allow Bootsy to just go

635
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: make layups. And their argument for it is is that

636
00:31:35,440 --> 00:31:38,600
Speaker 2: he can only make half of them. Okay, but they're

637
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:42,640
Speaker 2: uncontested and I can't do anything from here, like full court,

638
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 2: I'm not making this shot.

639
00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm twenty five feet from the hoop. Why are

640
00:31:46,040 --> 00:31:46,800
Speaker 3: you double team.

641
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:50,000
Speaker 2: I'm sixty feet from the hoop? Like you're not. I

642
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 2: can't I'm not doing anything, So like, what are you

643
00:31:53,280 --> 00:31:55,680
Speaker 2: doing up here? And so they do that all the time.

644
00:31:55,840 --> 00:31:58,360
Speaker 2: And so Bootsy and I beat him first two games,

645
00:31:58,360 --> 00:32:00,160
Speaker 2: and they were doing some infighting. So then NBC was like,

646
00:32:00,160 --> 00:32:01,960
Speaker 2: all right, let's go one on one. So he hasn't

647
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 2: beat me yet, and it's nineteen eighteen. I'm up one.

648
00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 2: I was up big, and then he kind of came

649
00:32:08,440 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 2: back and it was nineteen eighteen and I took a

650
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,040
Speaker 2: shot kind of on the side and it was a

651
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,080
Speaker 2: long rebound to the other side, and he chased it

652
00:32:16,120 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 2: down and he got a wide open look at three

653
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:20,560
Speaker 2: and I took my hat off and I was gonna

654
00:32:20,600 --> 00:32:23,160
Speaker 2: like throw it at him to like distract him, which

655
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 2: I think maybe caused him to miss. He missed it

656
00:32:25,360 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 2: by about a half inch. And the whole time I'm

657
00:32:28,080 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 2: doing that, I'm like, all right, Pops, you're gonna be gracious,

658
00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:34,320
Speaker 2: You're gonna be You're gonna hug No, you're not.

659
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: It.

660
00:32:35,560 --> 00:32:37,360
Speaker 2: Just got to deal with it like it's that time.

661
00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 2: But he missed by about a half inch, and so

662
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,160
Speaker 2: I grabbed the rebound and then I hit a jumper

663
00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 2: to win it. And I said, I go, you're gonna

664
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:47,800
Speaker 2: beat me, Bud. You're gonna beat me, but not today,

665
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:49,320
Speaker 2: not today.

666
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:52,040
Speaker 3: Your day will come, but not today, but not yet.

667
00:32:52,160 --> 00:32:54,240
Speaker 2: It's coming. It's very much coming.

668
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:59,480
Speaker 3: What happened in golf, so okay, so we understand the

669
00:32:59,480 --> 00:33:03,040
Speaker 3: boots he uncontested layouts, But what's Bootsy's role in the golf?

670
00:33:03,240 --> 00:33:06,080
Speaker 2: He had a huge role yesterday. So I usually so

671
00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: I NBC and I played for the same tees and

672
00:33:08,680 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 2: then uh the little Beamsy and Boots. He played from

673
00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 2: the same tees. I'm not a good golfer, so there

674
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:16,440
Speaker 2: will be times where I will hit it into the

675
00:33:16,480 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: trees and I need him to just hit it in

676
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:22,080
Speaker 2: the fairway anywhere, just anywhere in the fairway. I don't

677
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:26,120
Speaker 2: care if it's forty yards. So it was tight. And

678
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 2: so the big thing was is we were on it

679
00:33:29,000 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 2: was par five. We were down there kind of by

680
00:33:30,960 --> 00:33:33,320
Speaker 2: the fringe and two. So I had a decent drive

681
00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: and a really good second shot to get us right

682
00:33:35,000 --> 00:33:37,560
Speaker 2: kind of in a way where we could you know, theoretically,

683
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: a normal human could make Bertie. Normal decent player could

684
00:33:41,120 --> 00:33:42,600
Speaker 2: try to make Bertie. We were I was just trying

685
00:33:42,600 --> 00:33:44,400
Speaker 2: to get in hi five and we had one. We

686
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:48,000
Speaker 2: had a one hole lead in the match, and I

687
00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:50,280
Speaker 2: did what, of course I would do anytime there's opportunity

688
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 2: to do anything nice, and I just bladed it. So

689
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,400
Speaker 2: mine went all the way across the green. I'm like, dude, listen,

690
00:33:58,880 --> 00:34:01,280
Speaker 2: just chip it up there, just chip it up. And

691
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,240
Speaker 2: he goes this far back Dad, and he would like

692
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 2: to do it, and I'm like, less, this far back less.

693
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:10,279
Speaker 2: So then he did it and he got it. I'm

694
00:34:10,320 --> 00:34:14,840
Speaker 2: a perfect we're inside ten feet two putt win not today, boys,

695
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,800
Speaker 2: not today. So that's and he's a pretty good little putter, okay,

696
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,120
Speaker 2: and he's pretty good. He's decent around the green like hell,

697
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:24,400
Speaker 2: he can chip it that. That's what I need. I

698
00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:27,000
Speaker 2: need him to be to be putting it close. And

699
00:34:27,040 --> 00:34:29,440
Speaker 2: then I need him chipping like those are his. And

700
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,799
Speaker 2: then if I hit it in the trees, I need

701
00:34:30,880 --> 00:34:33,320
Speaker 2: him to drive it in the middle. So that's the

702
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 2: way that it goes at this point. Uh boy. The

703
00:34:37,239 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 2: official teaching pro with this. He said that he walked

704
00:34:39,640 --> 00:34:42,480
Speaker 2: Congressional with bryceon years ago. Great guy just had a

705
00:34:42,480 --> 00:34:44,719
Speaker 2: bad rap for being weird and smarter than a tour pro.

706
00:34:44,840 --> 00:34:47,560
Speaker 2: Probably true. He was a little petulant too, I will say.

707
00:34:47,640 --> 00:34:49,040
Speaker 2: And he did bring up this. I should have brought

708
00:34:49,040 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 2: this up in the beginning. Rory didn't show much class

709
00:34:51,239 --> 00:34:54,600
Speaker 2: by leaving without an interview or congratulations for Bryson. Valid.

710
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,240
Speaker 2: I agree with that. I just think he was gutted.

711
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,560
Speaker 2: I think he was like he got shot the stomach,

712
00:35:01,440 --> 00:35:04,160
Speaker 2: absolutely what just happened. But he should have. I mean,

713
00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:05,920
Speaker 2: if you take the praise, then you also have to

714
00:35:05,960 --> 00:35:10,040
Speaker 2: take that part of it as well. It was that

715
00:35:10,080 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 2: part was crazy crazy finish there. All right, we have

716
00:35:14,239 --> 00:35:16,880
Speaker 2: a T. Higgins franchise tag around the sports world that

717
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:20,319
Speaker 2: was signed on Saturday. So this is the second time

718
00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:22,400
Speaker 2: in three years that the Bengals have done this. They

719
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,600
Speaker 2: did it with Jesse Bates two years ago. They're doing

720
00:35:24,600 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 2: it T Higgins this year. They're basically loading up. They're

721
00:35:27,520 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 2: franchise tagging, and they're saying, let's go, let's go win,

722
00:35:32,280 --> 00:35:34,200
Speaker 2: let's go win the Super Bowl, and then we will

723
00:35:34,239 --> 00:35:36,319
Speaker 2: lose them for compensatory picks and that's it.

724
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:37,239
Speaker 3: Yep.

725
00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:40,160
Speaker 2: So it's a big gamble. I don't know if it's

726
00:35:40,160 --> 00:35:48,200
Speaker 2: sustainable as a franchise to do that. You just can't

727
00:35:48,320 --> 00:35:53,000
Speaker 2: lose that type of talent over and over again without

728
00:35:53,040 --> 00:35:56,839
Speaker 2: recouping it. And they lost base was an All Pro

729
00:35:56,960 --> 00:36:00,440
Speaker 2: last year. Higgins is a stud and they should have

730
00:36:00,520 --> 00:36:01,279
Speaker 2: kept Baits.

731
00:36:01,280 --> 00:36:02,920
Speaker 3: Because the heart and soul their defense.

732
00:36:02,960 --> 00:36:04,800
Speaker 2: They should have kept Jesse Bates.

733
00:36:05,320 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 3: Yep, no question. I mean, Higgins twenty one point eight

734
00:36:09,600 --> 00:36:13,759
Speaker 3: million is not a bad number, no no tags for

735
00:36:13,840 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: a wide receiver. But you still haven't paid Jamar.

736
00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 2: Well. They don't have to, they can They could do

737
00:36:21,680 --> 00:36:25,400
Speaker 2: him next year. I know he wants it now, but

738
00:36:25,440 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 2: there he's a year ahead of schedule, so he's he

739
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,160
Speaker 2: right now is where Jefferson was last year, So he

740
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 2: could play it out and then they could get a

741
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,960
Speaker 2: max deal. It would be who them too, because the

742
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,480
Speaker 2: camp's only going to go up and up and up.

743
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:41,160
Speaker 3: Look at all the guys since extended Judy.

744
00:36:42,200 --> 00:36:45,239
Speaker 2: What's happened? Yeah, yeah, yeah, so they'd be smart to

745
00:36:45,239 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 2: do it. I just I don't know if it's in

746
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 2: their DNA to do it, you know.

747
00:36:48,520 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: Correct.

748
00:36:50,680 --> 00:36:57,400
Speaker 2: Let's talk about Barkley. Do you believe him?

749
00:36:57,480 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 3: Yeah? Because I think Barkley marches to the beat of

750
00:37:01,560 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 3: his own drum? Now? Is it because he doesn't want

751
00:37:06,560 --> 00:37:09,759
Speaker 3: to go anywhere else? And doesn't you know if the

752
00:37:09,800 --> 00:37:12,719
Speaker 3: band's breaking up, we're gonna break it up and go

753
00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:16,000
Speaker 3: out on top. I don't know. He's got his own

754
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 3: production company. Can he do other things?

755
00:37:21,520 --> 00:37:21,800
Speaker 2: Sure?

756
00:37:21,960 --> 00:37:26,480
Speaker 3: But maybe analyst on studio shows for the NBA is

757
00:37:26,600 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 3: no longer going to be in his repertoire.

758
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:35,600
Speaker 2: So I don't believe him. And here's why. Okay, during

759
00:37:35,640 --> 00:37:42,279
Speaker 2: the Stanley Cup Finals Game two in Florida, for zero compensation,

760
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,040
Speaker 2: he just walked on the intermission show.

761
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:45,879
Speaker 3: Yep, it was pretty great.

762
00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,240
Speaker 2: It was funny, it was really good talking about Messia

763
00:37:48,320 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 2: owing him money or whatever and all this. I just

764
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 2: think he really likes being Charles Barkley. And you can

765
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:59,080
Speaker 2: only play so much golf. So if you're not doing that,

766
00:37:59,080 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: what do you do?

767
00:37:59,560 --> 00:37:59,960
Speaker 3: What's your day?

768
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:00,680
Speaker 2: Oh?

769
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:06,480
Speaker 3: And frankly, I mean it requires a sizeable amount of

770
00:38:06,480 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 3: cash to gamble and wager.

771
00:38:08,320 --> 00:38:11,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely absolutely it does. Yeah, And so then what's the

772
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 2: other you brench in the cash? That's the other part.

773
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:16,520
Speaker 2: There will be a bidding war for his services, whether

774
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 2: it's from NBC or ESPN. I mean, he could be

775
00:38:19,640 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 2: a twenty five million dollar a year guy and he

776
00:38:22,440 --> 00:38:24,120
Speaker 2: could just laugh this off and say, well, they offer

777
00:38:24,200 --> 00:38:28,279
Speaker 2: me twenty five million dollars, that's it. He could absolutely

778
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,960
Speaker 2: do that. So I don't think he's done. I think

779
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,799
Speaker 2: he will. I will he will continue on in some

780
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:36,920
Speaker 2: capacity going forward. And quite honestly, if your nbc'd be

781
00:38:37,000 --> 00:38:39,800
Speaker 2: very smart to just try and freelance out that entire

782
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,280
Speaker 2: inside the NBA show for your Sunday Night NBA thing, Yes,

783
00:38:43,400 --> 00:38:45,319
Speaker 2: you just be very smart to just bring them all on,

784
00:38:45,400 --> 00:38:48,040
Speaker 2: play those games, play those games. Tip them at eight o'clock,

785
00:38:48,520 --> 00:38:51,200
Speaker 2: do an hour pregame show from seven to eight with

786
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:54,080
Speaker 2: those with that inside the NBA Get Crew, and then

787
00:38:54,120 --> 00:38:56,520
Speaker 2: do a half hour postgame show from ten thirty to eleven,

788
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:57,839
Speaker 2: and there you go.

789
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 3: Makes all the sense in the world. I mean, you

790
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:05,359
Speaker 3: just got to convince TNT to let him, to let

791
00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:07,400
Speaker 3: him Ernie.

792
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 2: But yeah, that's the only one is Ernie. But like

793
00:39:09,560 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: Ernie has been a TNT lifer. I can't imagine tn

794
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:14,200
Speaker 2: T wouldn't let him do like what Dan Patrick did

795
00:39:14,239 --> 00:39:17,680
Speaker 2: for NBC. Sure. The only thing would be though, is

796
00:39:17,680 --> 00:39:20,520
Speaker 2: they do have that partnership with CBS where they do

797
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:24,120
Speaker 2: the NCAA basketball that Ernie still does. But I don't know.

798
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:30,239
Speaker 3: I don't. I don't. I don't know. And even if

799
00:39:30,239 --> 00:39:34,720
Speaker 3: you and if I were Barkley and ESPN was throwing

800
00:39:34,760 --> 00:39:39,640
Speaker 3: me that money, yeah that's fine. But that ESPN studio

801
00:39:39,680 --> 00:39:40,520
Speaker 3: show sucks.

802
00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:42,719
Speaker 2: It's awful. Yeah, it's unwatchable.

803
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 3: I watched it, Uh Thursday night? Was it Thursday night? No?

804
00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:53,040
Speaker 3: Wednesday night? It was awful. It is unwatchable. It is

805
00:39:53,640 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 3: for the worldwide leader to be putting that out during

806
00:39:55,760 --> 00:39:56,760
Speaker 3: the NBA Finals.

807
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: That's not They've tried everything, they've had all sorts of

808
00:39:59,680 --> 00:40:03,359
Speaker 2: different people on it that now they just lean all

809
00:40:03,400 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 2: in on Steven a like all in and it's just

810
00:40:07,200 --> 00:40:09,120
Speaker 2: like they had video of him walking into the arena.

811
00:40:09,160 --> 00:40:10,960
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, come on, I've seen it.

812
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't understand. I didn't get that at all.

813
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:16,319
Speaker 2: It doesn't make any sense in it. So that's why

814
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 2: I think Chuck will be back. What else, I mean,

815
00:40:19,320 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 2: it's a great deal of money. He can call his

816
00:40:21,120 --> 00:40:23,279
Speaker 2: show still in his prime. He can say he wants

817
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:26,279
Speaker 2: to work one day a week, Fine, no one's gonna

818
00:40:26,280 --> 00:40:26,960
Speaker 2: have a problem with it.

819
00:40:27,480 --> 00:40:29,200
Speaker 3: That would make total sense for him to do the

820
00:40:29,239 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 3: Sunday thing.

821
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,240
Speaker 2: Absolutely. I think the Sunday one, that's the no brainer.

822
00:40:32,280 --> 00:40:35,239
Speaker 2: If they could find a way to do that, to

823
00:40:35,280 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: work that out. Both the game both were headed for

824
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:42,200
Speaker 2: a sweep Stanley Cup and NBA Finals. The home teams

825
00:40:42,480 --> 00:40:45,640
Speaker 2: won big ley in both. The Oilers won eight to

826
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 2: one in the NHL on Saturday night or was it

827
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,800
Speaker 2: Friday night? Friday night, and then the NBA was Saturday

828
00:40:52,840 --> 00:40:56,320
Speaker 2: night and the MAVs won by one hundred and twenty.

829
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:58,279
Speaker 2: So yep, they just kind of pushed the chips in

830
00:40:58,920 --> 00:41:01,120
Speaker 2: and we'll see tonight. I guess the Celtics can close

831
00:41:01,160 --> 00:41:01,399
Speaker 2: it out.

832
00:41:01,960 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, businessman sweep.

833
00:41:04,680 --> 00:41:06,040
Speaker 2: Maybe that's what it feels like to me.

834
00:41:06,600 --> 00:41:07,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah.

835
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:09,640
Speaker 2: This is an interesting standard here. Despite the Celtics being

836
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: up three to one, they've been outscored in the finals

837
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:14,120
Speaker 2: four a waight to four h two. That's misleading though

838
00:41:14,120 --> 00:41:16,560
Speaker 2: a little bit, because of how lopsided four was. They

839
00:41:16,840 --> 00:41:19,759
Speaker 2: Celtics basically stopped. I think Brown and Tatum were five

840
00:41:19,800 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: to twenty two combined in Game four. They had their

841
00:41:23,120 --> 00:41:26,120
Speaker 2: first real, real bad game. We'll see on down the road.

842
00:41:26,120 --> 00:41:27,799
Speaker 2: It's the way that that thing kind of went. Boy,

843
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:29,560
Speaker 2: do you want to tackle thirty years ago right now?

844
00:41:29,640 --> 00:41:30,360
Speaker 2: Or should we save that?

845
00:41:30,520 --> 00:41:32,440
Speaker 3: Let's save it. Let's save that, all right.

846
00:41:32,560 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 2: Chris Simms Top forty quarterback Rankings talks Jamis Winston and

847
00:41:35,960 --> 00:41:38,720
Speaker 2: the rest of the Browns quarterback room behind Deshan Watson.

848
00:41:38,719 --> 00:41:40,360
Speaker 2: You will hear from that coming up next. List to

849
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,400
Speaker 2: Cleveland Browns Daily on the fifty ESPN Cleveland.

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852
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855
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: now here's Chris Simms. He's doing his top forty quarterback rankings.

856
00:42:07,360 --> 00:42:09,880
Speaker 2: We talked about him a little bit last week. Here

857
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,759
Speaker 2: is Chris talking about Jamis at number thirty five and

858
00:42:12,800 --> 00:42:15,480
Speaker 2: the rest of the Browns quarterback room behind Deshaun Watson.

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00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:18,480
Speaker 5: Thirty five through thirty one. That means we start with

860
00:42:18,680 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 5: thirty five in your top forty quarterback list in twenty

861
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:22,439
Speaker 5: twenty four.

862
00:42:22,480 --> 00:42:24,200
Speaker 2: Your thirty fifth best quarterback.

863
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:25,439
Speaker 4: Is yep, and a guy we probably could have lumped

864
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:28,239
Speaker 4: together with those, you know, the old quarterbacks we ended

865
00:42:28,320 --> 00:42:32,279
Speaker 4: off with on Monday afternoon. But it is Jamis Winston, right,

866
00:42:32,360 --> 00:42:35,600
Speaker 4: we started number thirty five. Yeah, he's in Cleveland, He's

867
00:42:35,640 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 4: behind Deshaun Watson. He's a little bit Joe flackgall right

868
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,799
Speaker 4: to where guess you know, hey, if he has to

869
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:45,960
Speaker 4: come in, he could open up some eyes and make

870
00:42:46,040 --> 00:42:49,239
Speaker 4: some big plays and do that right. Arguably, Here's what

871
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:51,680
Speaker 4: I would say my headline would be arguably the best

872
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:54,759
Speaker 4: big play backup quarterback in the NFL. That's what I

873
00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:57,600
Speaker 4: would say. When he comes into a game. I mean,

874
00:42:57,640 --> 00:43:00,200
Speaker 4: he's going to stand in the pocket. He is is

875
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 4: not gonna flinch at all. And he is always looking

876
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,760
Speaker 4: to push the ball down the field, right, always looking

877
00:43:05,880 --> 00:43:07,919
Speaker 4: like you know, always looking for the big play.

878
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: Always.

879
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,840
Speaker 4: You know, sometimes when I got on some of the

880
00:43:09,880 --> 00:43:12,080
Speaker 4: other guys on the list the other day, where hey,

881
00:43:12,120 --> 00:43:14,560
Speaker 4: take an extra pat. You know that guy's about to

882
00:43:14,600 --> 00:43:17,200
Speaker 4: come open. You're protected, like it's a twenty yard income,

883
00:43:17,280 --> 00:43:19,320
Speaker 4: let's hit it, and then maybe it becomes forty yards.

884
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: Right.

885
00:43:19,840 --> 00:43:21,200
Speaker 2: He always gives it a chance.

886
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,080
Speaker 4: Now, that's also his flaw to a degree, all right,

887
00:43:24,160 --> 00:43:28,000
Speaker 4: That's the negative is sometimes it's like, okay, wait, I

888
00:43:28,040 --> 00:43:29,520
Speaker 4: know you think it's about to come open, but this

889
00:43:29,560 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 4: is the third pat. You gotta let it go. You're

890
00:43:31,640 --> 00:43:34,200
Speaker 4: gonna get sacked, You're gonna get stripped. What right, Right,

891
00:43:34,239 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 4: That's what the issues with him. And then at times

892
00:43:37,000 --> 00:43:40,719
Speaker 4: like you know again too, what I love is aggressive

893
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 4: frame of mind, and you know he just his aggressive

894
00:43:43,680 --> 00:43:47,720
Speaker 4: nature altogether. But yeah, there's also a handful of throws

895
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 4: that you could take from last year, the preseason whatever,

896
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:51,520
Speaker 4: and just go, what did.

897
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:53,239
Speaker 2: You really think you were gonna fit that in there?

898
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,200
Speaker 4: Like, what the hell are you thinking, right, He's got

899
00:43:56,239 --> 00:43:57,719
Speaker 4: a little of that aspect too.

900
00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,840
Speaker 2: If you took his positive plays the positive and you

901
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:01,480
Speaker 2: heard this on.

902
00:44:01,480 --> 00:44:03,279
Speaker 4: Text yesterday when I was kind of going back and

903
00:44:03,320 --> 00:44:06,120
Speaker 4: forth with you, right, and he just looked at positive

904
00:44:06,120 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 4: for the most part, you'd go, Damn, this guy's a

905
00:44:09,040 --> 00:44:11,520
Speaker 4: he's a pretty big time starting quarterback in the NFL,

906
00:44:12,080 --> 00:44:14,919
Speaker 4: but he has a little bit of I just don't

907
00:44:14,960 --> 00:44:17,680
Speaker 4: give a about him that you cannot trust. And that's

908
00:44:17,680 --> 00:44:20,000
Speaker 4: the bottom line. I mean, you watch the game sometimes

909
00:44:20,080 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 4: and you just go, he's just coming in and having

910
00:44:22,239 --> 00:44:25,040
Speaker 4: fun and he doesn't care. I don't think he even cares.

911
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:27,239
Speaker 4: He's going, I'm gonna throw a big completion or I'm

912
00:44:27,239 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 4: gonna throw an interception, but I'm have fun out here.

913
00:44:29,560 --> 00:44:31,760
Speaker 2: I mean, it really feels that way at times.

914
00:44:32,080 --> 00:44:36,080
Speaker 4: And because of that frame of mind, it probably knocked

915
00:44:36,120 --> 00:44:38,080
Speaker 4: him down a few spots, because you heard me in

916
00:44:38,120 --> 00:44:41,560
Speaker 4: the text yesterday. To me, it's more about trust with Jamis.

917
00:44:42,000 --> 00:44:44,960
Speaker 4: And as much as I I would rather call the

918
00:44:45,040 --> 00:44:47,880
Speaker 4: offense for Jamis maybe than some of the other guys

919
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 4: we have in front of him here, right, because I go,

920
00:44:49,840 --> 00:44:51,279
Speaker 4: this is my kind of offense, is what I want

921
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 4: to do we're gonna protect him. He'll throw the ball

922
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:56,120
Speaker 4: down the field, he'll do all that. You have everything available, right,

923
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:58,759
Speaker 4: but also within that offense, I go, well, da, he

924
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 4: might throw six interceptions if we don't call the game

925
00:45:01,200 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 4: the right way and protect him from himself a little bit.

926
00:45:04,239 --> 00:45:06,640
Speaker 4: So those are kind of the pluses and negatives of

927
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:07,560
Speaker 4: Jameis Winston.

928
00:45:08,320 --> 00:45:10,920
Speaker 2: But yeah, the guy has talent, There's no doubt about that.

929
00:45:11,000 --> 00:45:12,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, Pete has put narratives in here for all the

930
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,959
Speaker 5: quarterbacks that we'll talk about in your top forty lest

931
00:45:14,960 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 5: and I think this one is spot on. The narrative

932
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,480
Speaker 5: around him, as he's the thirty thirty man. You know,

933
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:21,400
Speaker 5: it could be thirty touchdowns, could be thirty interceptions. Yolo,

934
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 5: you only live once. That's basically what Jamis is. So

935
00:45:25,520 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 5: you know, the way you described him is somewhat similar

936
00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,800
Speaker 5: to the way that you could describe Joe Flacco, And

937
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 5: you did describe him last year, and he was the

938
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:36,120
Speaker 5: backup in Cleveland. I know there are probably Browns fans

939
00:45:36,120 --> 00:45:38,400
Speaker 5: that are thinking, what do we do? You had Flacco

940
00:45:38,520 --> 00:45:41,000
Speaker 5: ad thirty seven, I have Jamis at thirty five.

941
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:42,080
Speaker 2: Not a whole lot between him.

942
00:45:42,080 --> 00:45:44,480
Speaker 5: We've seen Flacco step in, Yeah, and be able to

943
00:45:44,480 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 5: carry that team to the playoffs.

944
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:46,799
Speaker 2: That's right.

945
00:45:46,840 --> 00:45:48,440
Speaker 4: I don't doubt this. So this could do this and

946
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:50,160
Speaker 4: it could be better than Joe Flash. So that would

947
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 4: be the question.

948
00:45:50,719 --> 00:45:53,399
Speaker 5: Yeah, you still if you're the Cleveland Browns, you would

949
00:45:53,440 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 5: take even if it's a small upgrade, you would take

950
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 5: this upgrade from Joe Flacco to Jamis wins. Well, I

951
00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:01,000
Speaker 5: think it's not only the small upgrade, but I think

952
00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,160
Speaker 5: it's the other things in the context around this situation

953
00:46:04,360 --> 00:46:10,000
Speaker 5: why they went there too, right, Right, It's like Joe Flacco, Hey,

954
00:46:10,080 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 5: he won a Super Bowl and that fan base lashed

955
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:14,600
Speaker 5: onto him a little bit, and I think that was

956
00:46:14,600 --> 00:46:17,319
Speaker 5: a little scary for them, right, Like I talked about,

957
00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,120
Speaker 5: I asked them this question at the combine, are you

958
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 5: kind of glad you.

959
00:46:21,800 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 2: Don't have to deal with the Flacco thing?

960
00:46:23,520 --> 00:46:25,719
Speaker 4: Right, because like if we got to like week three

961
00:46:25,760 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 4: and they were one and two and Deshaun isn't.

962
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,840
Speaker 2: Playing good fla go go.

963
00:46:30,120 --> 00:46:31,320
Speaker 4: I mean they were chatting that at the end of

964
00:46:31,320 --> 00:46:34,200
Speaker 4: the year last year, right, So that's what you know.

965
00:46:34,239 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 2: I think did they give you an answer, Well, I

966
00:46:36,480 --> 00:46:37,040
Speaker 2: think they tried.

967
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,720
Speaker 4: They tried to act like that didn't matter right, which

968
00:46:39,840 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 4: I don't buy. And I think that's part of the

969
00:46:42,440 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 4: reason they let Joe Flacco go because they don't need

970
00:46:44,719 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: that headache.

971
00:46:45,239 --> 00:46:47,279
Speaker 2: Around Deshaun Watson in their quarterback room.

972
00:46:47,760 --> 00:46:51,399
Speaker 4: Everyone views Jameis Winston as a backup, but I can

973
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:53,960
Speaker 4: tell you from coaches who have watched them in free

974
00:46:53,960 --> 00:46:56,879
Speaker 4: agency and stuff the last few years, people always come

975
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:59,959
Speaker 4: away amazed with Jamis Winston going, damn, he's good.

976
00:47:00,160 --> 00:47:02,360
Speaker 2: Damn. I think I can fix.

977
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 4: Some of those issues, and I just don't know if

978
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:06,480
Speaker 4: you can fix them all the way right. Sean Payton

979
00:47:06,520 --> 00:47:08,440
Speaker 4: definitely fixed them to a degree and rained them in

980
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:10,560
Speaker 4: about as good as anybody that can rain them in.

981
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,719
Speaker 4: That'll be, you know, something that he'll you know, you'll

982
00:47:13,760 --> 00:47:15,440
Speaker 4: have to worry about with him in Cleveland two, and

983
00:47:15,520 --> 00:47:17,640
Speaker 4: Kevin Stefanski will have to rain him in as well,

984
00:47:17,760 --> 00:47:19,399
Speaker 4: raining him in at the end of a game when

985
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 4: you're sitting up to take a knee. I look back

986
00:47:21,840 --> 00:47:23,920
Speaker 4: on that just because I'm so fascinated by that play

987
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:25,919
Speaker 4: it was and it really was like I was like, Okay,

988
00:47:25,960 --> 00:47:27,799
Speaker 4: let me make sure I can wrap my head around

989
00:47:27,800 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: what happened here. Jamal Williams was on the team seventeen

990
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: touchdowns the year before, had not had a touchdown the

991
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:36,360
Speaker 4: entire year. And so you get to the last minute

992
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,440
Speaker 4: of this game, which by the way, was set up

993
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,120
Speaker 4: by an interception. Tyron Matthew had like a seventy four

994
00:47:41,200 --> 00:47:43,880
Speaker 4: yard interception return down to the one yard line when

995
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:48,320
Speaker 4: they already winning forty one seventeen. It was Chris Linstrom

996
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:51,400
Speaker 4: from the Falcons who like ran him down somehow and

997
00:47:51,440 --> 00:47:53,279
Speaker 4: messed him up enough to where he fell down at

998
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 4: the one yard line right, and then so there's like

999
00:47:55,760 --> 00:47:57,920
Speaker 4: a minute left and Jamis was like, we're gonna get

1000
00:47:58,000 --> 00:48:00,480
Speaker 4: Jamal Williams his one touchdown this year because he had

1001
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:01,279
Speaker 4: seventeen last year.

1002
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,000
Speaker 2: The man has to end at least with one.

1003
00:48:03,520 --> 00:48:05,399
Speaker 5: That was fascinating to me, and that's probably why he's

1004
00:48:05,400 --> 00:48:07,160
Speaker 5: not back in New Orleans.

1005
00:48:07,200 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 4: Well, you know, it caused some problems for Dennis Allen

1006
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:12,480
Speaker 4: with Arthur Smith after the game, and you know him

1007
00:48:12,520 --> 00:48:15,960
Speaker 4: having to answer questions there, right, you know, it's not

1008
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:19,479
Speaker 4: a it's not good for Jamis and the fact of yeah,

1009
00:48:19,520 --> 00:48:21,600
Speaker 4: his own coaches were like, damn, I don't like that,

1010
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:23,920
Speaker 4: and you're gonna feel like you have no control over him.

1011
00:48:23,960 --> 00:48:25,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, those are kind of things other than the locker room.

1012
00:48:26,000 --> 00:48:27,680
Speaker 4: I bet you they are loving them after the game,

1013
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 4: Like James, you're the man for doing that for Jamal

1014
00:48:30,080 --> 00:48:32,400
Speaker 4: or doing that right that WI will get you some

1015
00:48:32,560 --> 00:48:34,960
Speaker 4: set department. But I think it goes a little into

1016
00:48:35,040 --> 00:48:39,320
Speaker 4: the yeah, how much can you trust Jamis altogether? Category?

1017
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:41,359
Speaker 4: I'm not trying to be a jerk by that. That's

1018
00:48:41,360 --> 00:48:44,480
Speaker 4: the perception. The perception is the reality in the NFL

1019
00:48:44,520 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 4: of what's thought about him, you know, in that way,

1020
00:48:47,480 --> 00:48:50,440
Speaker 4: and you know I will say this too, right, You

1021
00:48:50,480 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 4: know he is. He's a solid athlete, but for twenty

1022
00:48:53,719 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 4: twenty four quarterbacks, he's about average for the NFL quarterback

1023
00:48:57,040 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 4: of this day and age. Right, he does he has

1024
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: it's not a wow arm. He's not a great spiral thrower.

1025
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:07,000
Speaker 2: He does have a long wind up, right.

1026
00:49:07,040 --> 00:49:09,680
Speaker 4: I mean, if you think of Jameis Winston, it's a

1027
00:49:09,719 --> 00:49:13,120
Speaker 4: win Meal wind mill type of release and throw right,

1028
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:15,080
Speaker 4: And because of that and all the moving parts, he

1029
00:49:15,120 --> 00:49:16,120
Speaker 4: can lose control of the.

1030
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 2: Ball just a hair at times.

1031
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:17,960
Speaker 3: Right.

1032
00:49:18,120 --> 00:49:20,480
Speaker 4: But I will say that offense didn't fit him either.

1033
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:24,400
Speaker 4: He's not made for West Coast. Derek Carr dink and

1034
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 4: dunk That's not what he is, right, he is a Hey,

1035
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,520
Speaker 4: let him drop back, let the field open up. He'll

1036
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 4: make big throws down the field and do that. You

1037
00:49:34,120 --> 00:49:37,520
Speaker 4: want more of that than oh, quick throw right on

1038
00:49:37,600 --> 00:49:41,080
Speaker 4: target precision. Right, He's not that because of that long

1039
00:49:41,120 --> 00:49:43,799
Speaker 4: release in the in the space he needs there. But

1040
00:49:43,880 --> 00:49:46,440
Speaker 4: Jameis Winston's still dangerous. And I wouldn't be shocked if

1041
00:49:46,480 --> 00:49:48,919
Speaker 4: Deshaun Watson got hurt, which is you know, him staying

1042
00:49:48,920 --> 00:49:51,359
Speaker 4: on the field is a big question that can he

1043
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:53,960
Speaker 4: gets some mojo going with that Browns football team and

1044
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 4: win some football games.

1045
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:56,319
Speaker 2: I don't think there's any doubt he can.

1046
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,400
Speaker 5: Yeah, the Browns have said that they are open to

1047
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,960
Speaker 5: carrying three quarterback, which all teams do with an emergency quarterback,

1048
00:50:02,000 --> 00:50:04,040
Speaker 5: but I guess that means maybe just three on the Yeah,

1049
00:50:04,040 --> 00:50:07,160
Speaker 5: the active roster. Yeah, they got Tyler Huntley there. Now,

1050
00:50:07,280 --> 00:50:11,279
Speaker 5: they got dt Thompson Robinson there. Still, they do have

1051
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:13,839
Speaker 5: some quarterback talent. They do, and you know, I don't

1052
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,680
Speaker 5: you know, I don't know how that goes there. You know,

1053
00:50:16,760 --> 00:50:20,240
Speaker 5: they maybe they stashed Tyler Huntley away on the practice squad,

1054
00:50:20,760 --> 00:50:24,200
Speaker 5: right because Dorian Thompson Robinson, I'd be afraid with that guy.

1055
00:50:24,400 --> 00:50:28,239
Speaker 4: Young guy got some talent. I do think has some pedigree.

1056
00:50:28,520 --> 00:50:30,799
Speaker 4: If you cut him and he has that twenty four

1057
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:35,279
Speaker 4: hour like hey window where you know he's free and

1058
00:50:35,360 --> 00:50:37,200
Speaker 4: out there, somebody might look at it and go, hey,

1059
00:50:37,200 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 4: we're actually we'll put you on our third guy on

1060
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:42,799
Speaker 4: the roster all the time, right, and then he's gonna

1061
00:50:42,880 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 4: be gone. So I'll be interested to see how they

1062
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 4: juggle that situation there.

1063
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:49,680
Speaker 5: All right, the Cleveland Brown's thirty fifth best quarterback in

1064
00:50:49,840 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 5: Jamis Winston his tenth year in the league.

1065
00:50:52,920 --> 00:50:55,520
Speaker 2: All right, there you go. Chris Sims from his podcast

1066
00:50:55,880 --> 00:50:59,440
Speaker 2: on Winston west Gier On about his impressions from Mandatory

1067
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Speaker 2: single day. Hey, buddy, good to talk to you. You

1081
00:51:43,360 --> 00:51:46,560
Speaker 2: were out at mini camp last week for a couple

1082
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Speaker 2: of What were what were some of the things that

1083
00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: jumped out to you positively and if any negatively.

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Speaker 6: Well, the first thing that I paid close attention to,

1085
00:51:55,280 --> 00:51:57,680
Speaker 6: especially when you have rookies and inexperienced players on the

1086
00:51:57,680 --> 00:52:00,719
Speaker 6: phield bow is the level of line up again, the

1087
00:52:00,800 --> 00:52:03,319
Speaker 6: level of yelling and things that are more demonstrative on

1088
00:52:03,360 --> 00:52:06,239
Speaker 6: what I'm saying taking place. And guess what, I didn't

1089
00:52:06,239 --> 00:52:08,200
Speaker 6: see any of that. I saw guys line up in

1090
00:52:08,239 --> 00:52:11,720
Speaker 6: the right spots, going to the right places, not running again,

1091
00:52:11,880 --> 00:52:15,080
Speaker 6: not getting those side I looks from the coaches or

1092
00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,560
Speaker 6: other veteran players. None of that stuff was taking place.

1093
00:52:17,560 --> 00:52:19,319
Speaker 6: So that was a good sign, and that's a sign

1094
00:52:19,400 --> 00:52:22,160
Speaker 6: that you're getting what you're getting coaching that is having

1095
00:52:22,200 --> 00:52:24,520
Speaker 6: impact that once guys hit the football field bow, they

1096
00:52:24,560 --> 00:52:26,120
Speaker 6: know where the hect should line up because that's the

1097
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Speaker 6: first prerequisite, especially when you have a new office of

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Speaker 6: coordinator in town.

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Speaker 2: You know, Buddy, we had mj in here, We had

1100
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:38,839
Speaker 2: Greg in here, we had wan Thornhill in here. The

1101
00:52:38,880 --> 00:52:41,160
Speaker 2: word that I kind of kept coming back to when

1102
00:52:41,200 --> 00:52:44,040
Speaker 2: describing the players on this team is that we have

1103
00:52:44,080 --> 00:52:47,359
Speaker 2: a bunch of pros. You played on teams that won

1104
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:50,279
Speaker 2: Super Bowls, and when you play on and Rabes is

1105
00:52:50,320 --> 00:52:52,400
Speaker 2: here in the building, when you play on teams that

1106
00:52:53,040 --> 00:52:55,440
Speaker 2: have that type of success, you have to have a

1107
00:52:55,440 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 2: bunch of pros. And I think it helps drawn and

1108
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,279
Speaker 2: you correct me if I'm wrong. Here that we have

1109
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,040
Speaker 2: got our pros are guys who were drafted here. Now

1110
00:53:03,400 --> 00:53:05,080
Speaker 2: we don't have to bring in a veteran to teach

1111
00:53:05,120 --> 00:53:07,520
Speaker 2: us how to be an adult. We have our guys

1112
00:53:07,520 --> 00:53:10,279
Speaker 2: who are drafted here who can teach everybody and hold

1113
00:53:10,320 --> 00:53:12,720
Speaker 2: them accountable on how to be an adult. That's something

1114
00:53:12,760 --> 00:53:16,000
Speaker 2: I noticed big over the last month. Does that resonate

1115
00:53:16,040 --> 00:53:17,840
Speaker 2: at all with you as someone who's been on teams

1116
00:53:17,840 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 2: that knows what it takes to win it all?

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00:53:19,239 --> 00:53:21,880
Speaker 6: Oh, it certainly does, because there's a level of responsibility

1118
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:24,399
Speaker 6: that's added to the fact that you are drafted here,

1119
00:53:24,719 --> 00:53:26,960
Speaker 6: and accountability goes along with it, because, yes, you can

1120
00:53:26,960 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 6: bring in some mercenaries that are free agents, and some

1121
00:53:29,800 --> 00:53:31,320
Speaker 6: guys are going to be here for the long term.

1122
00:53:31,360 --> 00:53:35,200
Speaker 6: But when you're drafted here, obviously this organization has made

1123
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:36,920
Speaker 6: a statement that out from the get go of the

1124
00:53:36,960 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 6: embassy of your career, we wanted you to be a

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00:53:39,040 --> 00:53:40,600
Speaker 6: part of something we're trying to build here. And when

1126
00:53:40,600 --> 00:53:42,719
Speaker 6: you get those and you're now talking about guys who

1127
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 6: are in years three, four and five, who are now

1128
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:49,160
Speaker 6: exercising their voice in the locker room and practicing at

1129
00:53:49,160 --> 00:53:51,560
Speaker 6: a high level in which you're not seeing the mistakes

1130
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 6: and you're seeing guys be competitive, that's a great thing

1131
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 6: because bo I can tell you there used to be

1132
00:53:56,440 --> 00:54:01,839
Speaker 6: a time when veterans, rookies, free agents alight came here

1133
00:54:01,880 --> 00:54:03,800
Speaker 6: with not the mentality to work hard, and it was

1134
00:54:03,880 --> 00:54:06,560
Speaker 6: it would baffle me because as you just described, I

1135
00:54:06,640 --> 00:54:08,799
Speaker 6: came from a spot to where I know that if

1136
00:54:08,840 --> 00:54:11,480
Speaker 6: you're gonna be great and if you're gonna win football games,

1137
00:54:11,840 --> 00:54:16,080
Speaker 6: practice has to be just as challenging, just as tough,

1138
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,160
Speaker 6: and the level of expertise and preparation just as great

1139
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:20,120
Speaker 6: as the actual game.

1140
00:54:20,520 --> 00:54:21,320
Speaker 2: And for those.

1141
00:54:21,120 --> 00:54:24,520
Speaker 6: Guys who are now exercising that and expressing that, it's

1142
00:54:24,560 --> 00:54:26,839
Speaker 6: a beautiful thing. I can't say it enough because there

1143
00:54:26,920 --> 00:54:29,080
Speaker 6: was once a time when that was not the case.

1144
00:54:29,480 --> 00:54:31,239
Speaker 2: Oh tright. I mean you just think about like when

1145
00:54:31,360 --> 00:54:35,399
Speaker 2: Jarvis got here, remember the contagious stess, like we didn't

1146
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:38,360
Speaker 2: have pros. We had to bring in people Sheldon Richardson,

1147
00:54:38,360 --> 00:54:41,239
Speaker 2: We had to bring in people who taught our young

1148
00:54:41,280 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 2: guys how to be pros. And now we don't have

1149
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,759
Speaker 2: to do that anymore. Guys they drafted that's a week.

1150
00:54:47,000 --> 00:54:49,880
Speaker 2: Well before that we had opportunity in that. Then he

1151
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,359
Speaker 2: got opportunitists. But like you know, when we had those

1152
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:54,440
Speaker 2: guys who were like, all right, like Jarvis, this was

1153
00:54:54,480 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 2: what it takes to be a pro. And then people

1154
00:54:56,200 --> 00:54:58,319
Speaker 2: started to figure that out. Denzel figured that out going

1155
00:54:58,400 --> 00:55:01,239
Speaker 2: up against Jarvis. You started to see those things. And

1156
00:55:01,719 --> 00:55:05,160
Speaker 2: so now it's just refreshing to see young guys who

1157
00:55:05,160 --> 00:55:07,920
Speaker 2: are drafted here getting their second contracts in many instances,

1158
00:55:08,239 --> 00:55:11,080
Speaker 2: who are pros, who don't have to be taught how

1159
00:55:11,120 --> 00:55:13,040
Speaker 2: to do it the right way. There, you know, it's funny.

1160
00:55:13,360 --> 00:55:16,279
Speaker 2: Can you build culture amidst losing and anytime I ask

1161
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:18,799
Speaker 2: anybody this, they say, yeah, losing culture, that's what you

1162
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:21,520
Speaker 2: can build. So you got to win first. And now

1163
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 2: that they've won a little bit, now you have Brown's culture.

1164
00:55:25,000 --> 00:55:27,360
Speaker 6: Right and what And the funny thing about it is,

1165
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:29,640
Speaker 6: I thought, and I jumped a gun on this because

1166
00:55:29,640 --> 00:55:31,480
Speaker 6: I was convinced in twenty twenty that I was here.

1167
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 6: But then the following year, which guys learned the hard way,

1168
00:55:36,560 --> 00:55:38,440
Speaker 6: is that if you have any symbols of success, it's

1169
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:42,040
Speaker 6: going to be even more challenging and difficult to duplicate

1170
00:55:42,040 --> 00:55:44,000
Speaker 6: that success and move even further. And a lot of

1171
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 6: guys don't want to go for that road or that

1172
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,239
Speaker 6: travel because it's such a hard road to travel. With

1173
00:55:49,280 --> 00:55:52,640
Speaker 6: that being said, when I think about the guys who

1174
00:55:52,719 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 6: are in the locker room now and what they've experienced,

1175
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 6: they experienced a heart a heartbreaking loss to the Texans,

1176
00:55:58,840 --> 00:56:00,640
Speaker 6: And you get the sense, because this is always worry

1177
00:56:00,640 --> 00:56:03,000
Speaker 6: about BO are these guys still hungry or are they

1178
00:56:03,040 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 6: gonna live off what took place last year? And in

1179
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:06,799
Speaker 6: a lot of ways you can, though I didn't want

1180
00:56:06,800 --> 00:56:08,760
Speaker 6: to witness that beat down, And every time it comes

1181
00:56:08,800 --> 00:56:12,480
Speaker 6: on NFL network, I changed a channel it may have

1182
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:14,800
Speaker 6: been a blessing in disguise because of the fact that

1183
00:56:14,880 --> 00:56:17,279
Speaker 6: guys it left a bad taste, in particular in our

1184
00:56:17,320 --> 00:56:19,560
Speaker 6: defensive mouth, and the offense is saying we could have

1185
00:56:19,600 --> 00:56:22,440
Speaker 6: done better as well, because you always worry with success

1186
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:24,520
Speaker 6: that the following year you might come back, rest on

1187
00:56:24,520 --> 00:56:27,319
Speaker 6: your laurels and think if you've solved your problems, not

1188
00:56:27,400 --> 00:56:29,000
Speaker 6: realize that you have to work even harder.

1189
00:56:30,320 --> 00:56:32,560
Speaker 2: X's and O's wise. One of the things that I think,

1190
00:56:32,600 --> 00:56:34,399
Speaker 2: I know you guys have talked about on the next level.

1191
00:56:34,480 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: Nathan and I have talked about it a lot nationally.

1192
00:56:36,920 --> 00:56:38,600
Speaker 2: I don't know if people have picked up on it

1193
00:56:38,640 --> 00:56:41,600
Speaker 2: as much. This is a fundamental change to who we

1194
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:45,160
Speaker 2: are offensively as an organization. This is a predominantly gonna

1195
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:48,360
Speaker 2: be a shotgun attack. It's funny we were talking to

1196
00:56:48,800 --> 00:56:50,160
Speaker 2: I think it was Greg he was in here, and

1197
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:52,239
Speaker 2: he was talking about how the receivers were running so

1198
00:56:52,239 --> 00:56:55,000
Speaker 2: many option routes and so they couldn't jump them the

1199
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:56,880
Speaker 2: way that they could in the old days because this

1200
00:56:57,000 --> 00:56:58,800
Speaker 2: was the route on this play. So this is a

1201
00:56:58,840 --> 00:57:01,880
Speaker 2: pretty big change. What did you witness in what you

1202
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:05,400
Speaker 2: saw last week that was different offensively? And what do

1203
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,600
Speaker 2: you make of Kevin Stefanski, who's made his bones two

1204
00:57:08,600 --> 00:57:10,880
Speaker 2: time NFL Coach of the Year doing it a certain

1205
00:57:10,920 --> 00:57:13,960
Speaker 2: way now adjusting to his quarterback.

1206
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 6: Well, one, I think that's what a coach is supposed

1207
00:57:16,800 --> 00:57:19,040
Speaker 6: to do first and foremost. And I get so frustrated

1208
00:57:19,040 --> 00:57:21,920
Speaker 6: when I see, especially with rookie quarterbacks, but the coaches like,

1209
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:25,360
Speaker 6: we're gonna put this my system in. Who cares about

1210
00:57:25,360 --> 00:57:28,080
Speaker 6: your damn system. It's about the quarterback who you got

1211
00:57:28,120 --> 00:57:30,640
Speaker 6: on your roster and making him the best player he

1212
00:57:30,680 --> 00:57:34,040
Speaker 6: can be by acquiescing and adjusting to what he does best,

1213
00:57:34,160 --> 00:57:36,520
Speaker 6: especially if you draft him in the first round, especially

1214
00:57:36,560 --> 00:57:38,800
Speaker 6: if you brought him in as a high price free agent.

1215
00:57:39,000 --> 00:57:40,440
Speaker 2: So that always baffled me right there.

1216
00:57:40,480 --> 00:57:43,000
Speaker 6: So the fact that you have in Kevin Stefanski, a

1217
00:57:43,080 --> 00:57:45,919
Speaker 6: head coach who has won Coach of the Year two

1218
00:57:46,040 --> 00:57:48,480
Speaker 6: times in a row, with the willness to say, you

1219
00:57:48,520 --> 00:57:52,000
Speaker 6: know what, I am willing to change if we are

1220
00:57:52,240 --> 00:57:54,440
Speaker 6: collaborative here, and perceive that as in the best interest

1221
00:57:54,600 --> 00:57:57,680
Speaker 6: of the football team, in particular Deshaun Watson his offense

1222
00:57:57,880 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 6: to do things in a different manner of fashion. You

1223
00:58:00,240 --> 00:58:02,720
Speaker 6: know how much humility is involved in that, and that's

1224
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:05,160
Speaker 6: not the typical mindset of anybody, especially at the top

1225
00:58:05,160 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 6: of their game. So right there, that's impressive. But to

1226
00:58:07,680 --> 00:58:09,920
Speaker 6: get more specific with the questions you asked, and forgive

1227
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,240
Speaker 6: me for being long winning and filibustering today, but I

1228
00:58:12,240 --> 00:58:12,960
Speaker 6: guess it's just in me.

1229
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:15,360
Speaker 2: Hey, buddy, we got no football. You can talk for

1230
00:58:15,400 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 2: twenty minutes on offensive x's and o's if you want.

1231
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:20,840
Speaker 2: We got all the time in the world. Brother. What

1232
00:58:21,000 --> 00:58:24,080
Speaker 2: I do, like bo is I think this.

1233
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,040
Speaker 6: I call this the progression of offense from x's no standpoint, okay,

1234
00:58:28,160 --> 00:58:32,160
Speaker 6: because when the whole read route thing came in vogue

1235
00:58:32,240 --> 00:58:35,000
Speaker 6: and started really getting a lot of traction. I recall

1236
00:58:35,080 --> 00:58:37,920
Speaker 6: it with the Patriots and Troy Brown made a killing

1237
00:58:37,960 --> 00:58:41,040
Speaker 6: off of it, and then that went to from him

1238
00:58:41,040 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 6: to welcome to Julian Edelman, right, And I always felt

1239
00:58:45,320 --> 00:58:48,560
Speaker 6: that that was playing offense at a higher level because

1240
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:51,200
Speaker 6: you're not just stationary to what you see on the

1241
00:58:51,240 --> 00:58:53,600
Speaker 6: paper in your playbook. Right, Okay, Well you had a

1242
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:56,720
Speaker 6: fire r out there, then run your file fire route. No, okay,

1243
00:58:56,760 --> 00:59:00,360
Speaker 6: if that guy's inside, you go outside read this. So

1244
00:59:00,400 --> 00:59:02,840
Speaker 6: what is it asking is asking the offensive players to

1245
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:05,920
Speaker 6: do more from a read and understanding standpoint, and I

1246
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:09,240
Speaker 6: think that's the way football is going, so for us

1247
00:59:09,240 --> 00:59:11,320
Speaker 6: to make that move and to be more in the

1248
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,160
Speaker 6: mode of we're making options here and options there, and

1249
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:15,720
Speaker 6: we're not just gonna go to a specific spot, but

1250
00:59:15,760 --> 00:59:18,760
Speaker 6: we're gonna outsmart and outflank the defense. That's what football

1251
00:59:18,800 --> 00:59:21,760
Speaker 6: is in its essence, outflanking your opponent. So I love that.

1252
00:59:21,920 --> 00:59:23,680
Speaker 6: And what I saw and what I did see, going

1253
00:59:23,720 --> 00:59:25,800
Speaker 6: back to what I earlier mentioned, is I didn't see

1254
00:59:25,800 --> 00:59:27,800
Speaker 6: a guys making a bunch of mistakes. I adn't see

1255
00:59:27,800 --> 00:59:30,120
Speaker 6: a bunch of yelling and telling them to line up

1256
00:59:30,120 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 6: again or things of that nature. I saw guys in

1257
00:59:31,960 --> 00:59:35,240
Speaker 6: the right spot. So that's a good sign. And obviously

1258
00:59:35,440 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 6: I'm glad I didn't see this. I didn't see much

1259
00:59:37,640 --> 00:59:40,760
Speaker 6: from a trickeration standpoint. I didn't see much from a

1260
00:59:40,760 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 6: deep ball standpoint, because that's stuff right now, Bo you

1261
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:47,439
Speaker 6: want to keep under hat because again, we're invited in there,

1262
00:59:47,480 --> 00:59:49,960
Speaker 6: and you should not be showing us everything that you're doing. Obviously,

1263
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:51,880
Speaker 6: when you're working on things, you work on your things.

1264
00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,360
Speaker 6: But I did see enough from a short short passing

1265
00:59:54,400 --> 00:59:56,920
Speaker 6: game to intermediate route standpoint to say that we have

1266
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,320
Speaker 6: quarterbacks that can throw in tight windows and we have

1267
00:59:59,400 --> 01:00:00,960
Speaker 6: receivers who understand spacing.

1268
01:00:01,160 --> 01:00:05,560
Speaker 2: I did see that. What is it about this, this

1269
01:00:05,720 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 2: style that we're undertaking this transition to with with Ken

1270
01:00:09,960 --> 01:00:13,000
Speaker 2: Dorsey having a big role in it. What is it

1271
01:00:13,120 --> 01:00:16,240
Speaker 2: about this that fits to Shaun Watson? Theoretically, we got

1272
01:00:16,240 --> 01:00:17,960
Speaker 2: to keep him healthy. He's got to get healthy. Looked

1273
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:21,000
Speaker 2: good though last week. Why is this such a more

1274
01:00:21,080 --> 01:00:22,520
Speaker 2: natural fit for Watson? Well?

1275
01:00:22,520 --> 01:00:24,080
Speaker 6: Allows it going to be free because at the end

1276
01:00:24,080 --> 01:00:25,600
Speaker 6: of the day, when you're in the rest, you're gonna

1277
01:00:25,600 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 6: go back to what you naturally do. I mean his case,

1278
01:00:27,560 --> 01:00:30,200
Speaker 6: that's gonna be running around and make something happen. So

1279
01:00:30,280 --> 01:00:32,720
Speaker 6: if you're calling plays a design for him to run

1280
01:00:32,760 --> 01:00:35,160
Speaker 6: around and make things happen, and the orchestrate with that

1281
01:00:35,240 --> 01:00:38,880
Speaker 6: from the blocking patterns and all that entails along with

1282
01:00:38,920 --> 01:00:40,960
Speaker 6: the routes that are being run to set that up

1283
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,040
Speaker 6: to deck and translate to something different down the field.

1284
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Speaker 6: And that's thinking beyond the play is basically what we're

1285
01:00:45,880 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 6: getting here. Because think about him as a quarterback and

1286
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:50,240
Speaker 6: tell me if you agree or not. Is he not

1287
01:00:50,320 --> 01:00:52,479
Speaker 6: the type of quarterback that where the first thing there

1288
01:00:52,960 --> 01:00:55,200
Speaker 6: may not, he may not go that, but he can improvise.

1289
01:00:55,560 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: So what are you doing.

1290
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:58,640
Speaker 6: You're taking advantage of his ability to do just what

1291
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 6: improvise well.

1292
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Speaker 2: And he's done in his whole life, right, So this

1293
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:04,360
Speaker 2: is the this is all he's done. I mean, he

1294
01:01:04,400 --> 01:01:06,040
Speaker 2: grew up doing this, did this in high school and

1295
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:09,520
Speaker 2: Georgia did it a Clemson did it with the Texans

1296
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:12,320
Speaker 2: as well, So this is It fits his eye and

1297
01:01:12,360 --> 01:01:15,200
Speaker 2: it fits I think our receiving talent as well. You

1298
01:01:15,240 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 2: know one thing that that we stumbled upon this is

1299
01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 2: probably three weeks ago we had Bubba vent Tron in

1300
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: here and we started talking about the kickoff, and one

1301
01:01:22,760 --> 01:01:24,680
Speaker 2: thing Nathan and I have been saying is we just

1302
01:01:24,840 --> 01:01:27,400
Speaker 2: don't think fans have any idea of what's coming with

1303
01:01:27,520 --> 01:01:30,400
Speaker 2: this thing, with this play, how different it's gonna look

1304
01:01:30,440 --> 01:01:34,160
Speaker 2: to them, and then how explosive it could be. What

1305
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:35,760
Speaker 2: have you made because obviously you were out here and

1306
01:01:35,800 --> 01:01:37,480
Speaker 2: I know they were practicing at times. What do you

1307
01:01:37,520 --> 01:01:39,480
Speaker 2: make of this play and what do you think it

1308
01:01:39,520 --> 01:01:40,560
Speaker 2: will mean next season?

1309
01:01:40,920 --> 01:01:43,520
Speaker 6: I see it being a feast or famine situation to

1310
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:46,360
Speaker 6: where if you have the right guy back there on

1311
01:01:46,440 --> 01:01:50,680
Speaker 6: your kickoff or turn team, you can feast mean that

1312
01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:52,200
Speaker 6: you mean to tell me they're gonna have to put

1313
01:01:52,240 --> 01:01:55,480
Speaker 6: linebackers and d lineman out there because they're great at

1314
01:01:55,840 --> 01:01:56,440
Speaker 6: and maybe.

1315
01:01:56,240 --> 01:01:57,200
Speaker 2: Some strong safeties.

1316
01:01:58,160 --> 01:01:59,680
Speaker 6: But you're just gonna be hard pressed to find a

1317
01:01:59,720 --> 01:02:01,240
Speaker 6: corner that's gonna be able to shed the block of

1318
01:02:01,280 --> 01:02:05,320
Speaker 6: a tight end or a guard right that's gonna be

1319
01:02:05,360 --> 01:02:08,320
Speaker 6: responsible for setting up the blocks now, or even a

1320
01:02:08,320 --> 01:02:10,680
Speaker 6: blocking linebacker. So you're gonna have to have guys who

1321
01:02:10,720 --> 01:02:13,640
Speaker 6: may not be his fleet a foot. And with that,

1322
01:02:13,720 --> 01:02:15,280
Speaker 6: if you have a guy that can run through arm

1323
01:02:15,320 --> 01:02:18,720
Speaker 6: tackles and one cut abilition has that type of vision,

1324
01:02:19,120 --> 01:02:21,000
Speaker 6: I can see the ball being on the thirty five

1325
01:02:21,120 --> 01:02:23,680
Speaker 6: forty yard line a lot or touchdowns being scored or

1326
01:02:23,680 --> 01:02:26,960
Speaker 6: past the fifty on average. The potential is therefore it

1327
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,760
Speaker 6: if you have the wrong makeup of your kickoff coverage team,

1328
01:02:30,280 --> 01:02:33,320
Speaker 6: it's inviting you to get a lot of give up

1329
01:02:33,320 --> 01:02:35,960
Speaker 6: a yard a lot of yards just on the premise

1330
01:02:36,000 --> 01:02:37,400
Speaker 6: that that he could put a hat on the hat

1331
01:02:37,480 --> 01:02:40,320
Speaker 6: and for those on the senden lexicondom using that means

1332
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:44,320
Speaker 6: blocking a guy. Yeah, then you should have a lot

1333
01:02:44,360 --> 01:02:47,680
Speaker 6: of success because of the fact that again the returner

1334
01:02:47,760 --> 01:02:50,600
Speaker 6: is getting a start. He catches the ball and he's

1335
01:02:50,600 --> 01:02:53,120
Speaker 6: allowed to start, and then once he catches it, then

1336
01:02:53,160 --> 01:02:54,120
Speaker 6: you have to take off.

1337
01:02:54,160 --> 01:02:54,960
Speaker 2: So think about that.

1338
01:02:55,280 --> 01:02:57,760
Speaker 6: It gives him a chance to also see the in

1339
01:02:58,040 --> 01:03:00,080
Speaker 6: everything's live action, but it gives him a chance to

1340
01:03:00,120 --> 01:03:02,640
Speaker 6: see it all taking place with him having advantage of

1341
01:03:02,640 --> 01:03:05,800
Speaker 6: already being in a position of moving. So there's so

1342
01:03:05,880 --> 01:03:08,200
Speaker 6: many things about this that's exciting. But also if you're

1343
01:03:08,200 --> 01:03:10,200
Speaker 6: on a cover team, you're like, man, they have then

1344
01:03:10,320 --> 01:03:11,880
Speaker 6: made our job ten times harder.

1345
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:14,920
Speaker 2: How would what do you think the makeup will be?

1346
01:03:15,760 --> 01:03:17,080
Speaker 2: Let's first do return team?

1347
01:03:17,200 --> 01:03:17,560
Speaker 3: Uh huh?

1348
01:03:17,600 --> 01:03:20,800
Speaker 2: You got eleven guys back there? What position groups will

1349
01:03:20,800 --> 01:03:21,800
Speaker 2: make up that eleven?

1350
01:03:21,800 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 6: And now you're going to have I think a couple

1351
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,480
Speaker 6: of guys who may not have made a team. I mean,

1352
01:03:26,480 --> 01:03:29,000
Speaker 6: you're not going to dedicate everything to obviously special teams,

1353
01:03:29,000 --> 01:03:31,439
Speaker 6: but it is a phase. It's very important. I see

1354
01:03:31,520 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 6: at least two or three tight ends being on. I

1355
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:38,000
Speaker 6: think you're more unlikely going to have a big body

1356
01:03:38,000 --> 01:03:40,760
Speaker 6: receiver who has ability and willingness to block out there,

1357
01:03:41,000 --> 01:03:42,959
Speaker 6: and you're going to see a linebacker two who also

1358
01:03:43,000 --> 01:03:45,240
Speaker 6: have that ability to block and can get down the field.

1359
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:49,080
Speaker 6: And maybe you'll throw a mobile guard back up lineman

1360
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:49,760
Speaker 6: out there as well.

1361
01:03:50,040 --> 01:03:51,600
Speaker 2: And then, well, it always used to be as you

1362
01:03:51,640 --> 01:03:53,400
Speaker 2: know it used to be. You know, it's corners, it

1363
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:55,840
Speaker 2: was linebackers like and we'll get to the covering end

1364
01:03:55,840 --> 01:03:58,520
Speaker 2: in a second. But what you just articulated, that's not

1365
01:03:58,680 --> 01:03:59,520
Speaker 2: what it used to be.

1366
01:03:59,600 --> 01:03:59,960
Speaker 3: Not at all.

1367
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:04,040
Speaker 2: No, that's beside. But now you're in such a confined space.

1368
01:04:05,080 --> 01:04:07,960
Speaker 2: So it's a total game changer on roster building in

1369
01:04:08,040 --> 01:04:10,320
Speaker 2: terms of kick coverage. What will it be?

1370
01:04:10,400 --> 01:04:13,560
Speaker 6: Then that's where it really gets interesting, because you still

1371
01:04:13,600 --> 01:04:15,560
Speaker 6: want to have that element of speed with the cornerbacks

1372
01:04:15,560 --> 01:04:17,440
Speaker 6: and the DB's and a wide receiver that's willing and

1373
01:04:17,480 --> 01:04:20,280
Speaker 6: able to tackle right, But that used to be the

1374
01:04:20,320 --> 01:04:22,280
Speaker 6: majority of the team. I don't think it'd be that

1375
01:04:22,320 --> 01:04:24,640
Speaker 6: way anymore because most of these guys who do not

1376
01:04:24,760 --> 01:04:27,960
Speaker 6: have the ability to do what shed a blocker, And

1377
01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:30,160
Speaker 6: what I mean by that is you're fitting on them,

1378
01:04:30,200 --> 01:04:31,560
Speaker 6: then you have to throw them to one side or

1379
01:04:31,560 --> 01:04:33,640
Speaker 6: the right or their left and then get into your

1380
01:04:33,920 --> 01:04:37,120
Speaker 6: your laying far as you're tackling responsibility, and that's generally

1381
01:04:37,200 --> 01:04:41,800
Speaker 6: the responsibility of who linebackers A strong safety to a

1382
01:04:41,880 --> 01:04:44,400
Speaker 6: large degree as well as d Lineman do it all

1383
01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 6: the time. So from a preparation standpoint, those guys are

1384
01:04:48,720 --> 01:04:50,320
Speaker 6: natural fit for it. But then we run to the

1385
01:04:50,360 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 6: issue of what speed, And most of the guys I

1386
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:56,800
Speaker 6: just named aren't running four three four four. And I

1387
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:59,520
Speaker 6: bet you money every team in the NFL has at

1388
01:04:59,600 --> 01:05:01,800
Speaker 6: least two three guys on earth squad that can run

1389
01:05:01,840 --> 01:05:04,240
Speaker 6: a catch and run with the football who run just that.

1390
01:05:05,280 --> 01:05:07,200
Speaker 2: I know we got two or three, Oh, I know.

1391
01:05:08,280 --> 01:05:10,600
Speaker 2: I'm telling I'm telling you, man. You talk to people,

1392
01:05:11,240 --> 01:05:13,920
Speaker 2: they don't know what's coming with this. It's gonna be

1393
01:05:14,760 --> 01:05:17,000
Speaker 2: it's gonna be wide open. And a team like Kansas City,

1394
01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,920
Speaker 2: like if they could get Justin Reid to kick accurately

1395
01:05:19,960 --> 01:05:22,880
Speaker 2: for them, that's a game changer to have that. Because

1396
01:05:22,880 --> 01:05:25,600
Speaker 2: one thing we notice is like twenty five percent of

1397
01:05:25,640 --> 01:05:28,280
Speaker 2: the of the tackles, there's like twenty five percent of

1398
01:05:28,280 --> 01:05:31,720
Speaker 2: tackles that the guy doing the kickoff is in on, right, Like,

1399
01:05:32,200 --> 01:05:34,640
Speaker 2: think about that. That's a kicker. He's in I'm not

1400
01:05:34,640 --> 01:05:36,400
Speaker 2: saying he's making solo tackles, but he's in on the

1401
01:05:36,400 --> 01:05:38,760
Speaker 2: tackle twenty five percent of the time. In the previous

1402
01:05:38,800 --> 01:05:41,680
Speaker 2: what was it five percent of the time that if that,

1403
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,600
Speaker 2: if that so like, that's gonna be key. That kicker

1404
01:05:44,640 --> 01:05:47,360
Speaker 2: is gonna have to be able to tackle, so they

1405
01:05:47,360 --> 01:05:48,880
Speaker 2: find like kickoff special.

1406
01:05:48,720 --> 01:05:51,000
Speaker 6: Right, and you might have a guy or I can

1407
01:05:51,080 --> 01:05:53,960
Speaker 6: kick and tackle. That's all I do. Yes, again, I

1408
01:05:53,960 --> 01:05:57,320
Speaker 6: can see this becoming a situation Boe, in which man,

1409
01:05:57,720 --> 01:05:59,680
Speaker 6: we'll give it the ball in a forty yard line

1410
01:06:00,120 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 6: at noze and guess what that means. Scory is about

1411
01:06:02,680 --> 01:06:04,720
Speaker 6: to take place. So the league's objective is a score.

1412
01:06:04,800 --> 01:06:08,640
Speaker 6: Let's not get that, no question convoluted whatsoever. It is

1413
01:06:08,680 --> 01:06:11,560
Speaker 6: the this and this right here, I believe is gonna

1414
01:06:11,920 --> 01:06:15,680
Speaker 6: it's gonna be It's gonna be very, very intriguing to

1415
01:06:15,720 --> 01:06:17,760
Speaker 6: see how in folds because I just don't I can't

1416
01:06:17,760 --> 01:06:19,280
Speaker 6: see a situation where you're not getting the ball at

1417
01:06:19,360 --> 01:06:21,400
Speaker 6: least on average at the twenty five thirty.

1418
01:06:21,960 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 2: I agree with you. I mean, I think a guy

1419
01:06:23,720 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 2: like Scottish Hammer would have been a really valuable player

1420
01:06:26,040 --> 01:06:28,320
Speaker 2: and something like this because he's willing to tackle. So

1421
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:30,400
Speaker 2: he's someone who could have done the kickoffs and the punts,

1422
01:06:30,440 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 2: but then he also would tackle. You're that kicker is

1423
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 2: gonna have to stick their neck like I don't want

1424
01:06:34,440 --> 01:06:36,760
Speaker 2: d hopin.

1425
01:06:35,920 --> 01:06:37,840
Speaker 6: Right, because if he's sticking his nose in, I don't

1426
01:06:37,840 --> 01:06:40,360
Speaker 6: want that. And you're doing this three or four times

1427
01:06:40,520 --> 01:06:43,800
Speaker 6: a game now, believe me, he's gonna feel the effects

1428
01:06:43,800 --> 01:06:45,919
Speaker 6: of it and ultimately is gonna impact his ability. Think

1429
01:06:45,920 --> 01:06:48,480
Speaker 6: about this, eight or nine games in of the season,

1430
01:06:49,520 --> 01:06:52,280
Speaker 6: you got forty to fifty tackles on your leg.

1431
01:06:53,720 --> 01:06:57,320
Speaker 2: Or not even tackles assist or in or just in

1432
01:06:57,360 --> 01:06:58,120
Speaker 2: the mix. Right.

1433
01:06:58,840 --> 01:07:01,880
Speaker 6: You know you're not You're not physically supposed to be

1434
01:07:01,920 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 6: doing that as a kicker. So I think we were

1435
01:07:04,520 --> 01:07:06,800
Speaker 6: gonna see ultimately if this thing does stay in play,

1436
01:07:07,240 --> 01:07:09,240
Speaker 6: is that they're gonna be guys who just that's just

1437
01:07:10,360 --> 01:07:12,560
Speaker 6: that's just your job. So I want whether from a

1438
01:07:12,640 --> 01:07:15,280
Speaker 6: roster makeup, will they expand it for that reason alone.

1439
01:07:15,440 --> 01:07:15,960
Speaker 2: We'll see.

1440
01:07:15,960 --> 01:07:18,480
Speaker 6: But that's gonna be a pivotal part to it, man,

1441
01:07:18,480 --> 01:07:20,640
Speaker 6: because you already know, like I know, bo field position

1442
01:07:20,800 --> 01:07:21,280
Speaker 6: is everything.

1443
01:07:21,600 --> 01:07:24,520
Speaker 2: It's everything. Yeah, and this flips it. Great talking to you,

1444
01:07:24,520 --> 01:07:26,400
Speaker 2: buddy as always, Thanks for your time. Great Seenei your

1445
01:07:26,440 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 2: last Friday at the block party as well. Man, you

1446
01:07:28,640 --> 01:07:31,680
Speaker 2: as well, my neighbor. Actually that's right, I didn't realize

1447
01:07:31,720 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: we were that close right down the road. My goodness,

1448
01:07:33,960 --> 01:07:35,040
Speaker 2: we got to get together.

1449
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1463
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Speaker 2: is the case, you're about ready to feel old because

1464
01:08:36,920 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 2: thirty years ago today O. J. Simpson got in a

1465
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:47,040
Speaker 2: white Bronco. Now, I I'm in high school at the time.

1466
01:08:47,920 --> 01:08:50,200
Speaker 2: I remember it vividly, and the reason I remember it

1467
01:08:50,240 --> 01:08:52,960
Speaker 2: you have to remember for the kids out there. We

1468
01:08:53,000 --> 01:08:55,240
Speaker 2: lived in a world where there was not self a platom.

1469
01:08:55,280 --> 01:08:57,360
Speaker 2: It was like Zach Morris, I did not have a

1470
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Speaker 2: cell phone. Indeed not right, I promise you not so

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Speaker 2: not later and I have a cell phone. We also

1472
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Speaker 2: did not I did not have where I grew up,

1473
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Speaker 2: we did not have cable. So if you wanted extended channels,

1474
01:09:09,280 --> 01:09:11,439
Speaker 2: you had to get a satellite, like the big old

1475
01:09:11,479 --> 01:09:14,479
Speaker 2: satellite dishes with like a cement slab and you put

1476
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Speaker 2: the giant dish on it. That's what That was the

1477
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,200
Speaker 2: only way you were going to get channels other than

1478
01:09:20,160 --> 01:09:22,240
Speaker 2: the basic channel. So the channels I had growing up

1479
01:09:22,240 --> 01:09:28,160
Speaker 2: were ABC, CBS, NBC, PBS, and two Canadian channels because

1480
01:09:28,160 --> 01:09:30,320
Speaker 2: we were so close to Canadian border, so we got

1481
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Speaker 2: CBC and I want to say CABC maybe Canadian channels.

1482
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Speaker 2: That's it. The reason that this was such an incredible

1483
01:09:41,200 --> 01:09:45,360
Speaker 2: thing is because it happened during the NBA Finals, and

1484
01:09:45,439 --> 01:09:47,639
Speaker 2: so you were watching the only reason that I even

1485
01:09:47,720 --> 01:09:49,680
Speaker 2: knew that this happened, otherwise I would have known till

1486
01:09:49,720 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 2: the next day is I'm watching the NBA Finals and

1487
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,320
Speaker 2: Bob Costas comes in and begins to try to explain

1488
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:57,960
Speaker 2: it all and then you're locked in and you're like,

1489
01:09:58,000 --> 01:10:00,200
Speaker 2: what is happening? And I'm sure for the gross many

1490
01:10:00,200 --> 01:10:02,160
Speaker 2: of you at CNN, then you could just watch CNN

1491
01:10:02,200 --> 01:10:04,120
Speaker 2: and they covered it probably non stop car chase and

1492
01:10:04,160 --> 01:10:06,559
Speaker 2: so forth. But we didn't have that, like.

1493
01:10:06,920 --> 01:10:10,040
Speaker 3: Was it, Yeah, we didn't have that they I mean

1494
01:10:10,160 --> 01:10:13,160
Speaker 3: I went back and watched some of the video from

1495
01:10:13,160 --> 01:10:17,080
Speaker 3: that night and like Marv Albert tosses to Tom Brokaw

1496
01:10:17,160 --> 01:10:19,759
Speaker 3: in the middle of a fast break in Game five

1497
01:10:19,800 --> 01:10:22,880
Speaker 3: of the NBA Finals, did he really Yeah, he goes, hey,

1498
01:10:22,920 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 3: we have to we have to leave you. We're going

1499
01:10:26,240 --> 01:10:29,479
Speaker 3: back to Tom Brokaw NBC News headquarters in New York.

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01:10:29,720 --> 01:10:31,439
Speaker 2: You what it was that the I guess that was

1501
01:10:31,439 --> 01:10:32,200
Speaker 2: the right decision.

1502
01:10:33,320 --> 01:10:36,280
Speaker 3: Ninety five million people supposedly watched.

1503
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:39,880
Speaker 2: That night on the various like yeah across yeah, well

1504
01:10:39,920 --> 01:10:42,320
Speaker 2: probably what happened was is the people that were watching

1505
01:10:42,320 --> 01:10:44,879
Speaker 2: the finals and flipped it over if they wanted it NonStop.

1506
01:10:44,880 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 2: They're watching CNN or ABC or NBC. And when we

1507
01:10:47,680 --> 01:10:49,880
Speaker 2: had Al Michaels in here, that's the first time I

1508
01:10:49,920 --> 01:10:53,400
Speaker 2: ever heard the word farcicle because he was on the

1509
01:10:53,479 --> 01:10:57,760
Speaker 2: broadcast on ABC and and Peter he was with Peter

1510
01:10:57,840 --> 01:10:59,800
Speaker 2: Jennings and he lived in the same neighborhood as OJ

1511
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:02,120
Speaker 2: and they were friends and they golfed together and all

1512
01:11:02,160 --> 01:11:03,920
Speaker 2: of this stuff, and so he knew him well. And

1513
01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:08,400
Speaker 2: he called out the Howard Stern prankster and said farcical.

1514
01:11:08,680 --> 01:11:10,559
Speaker 2: That's where That's first time I ever heard that word.

1515
01:11:10,560 --> 01:11:12,639
Speaker 2: When he had al I asked, We asked him about farcical,

1516
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 2: which was so great, but like, no, there was I

1517
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,640
Speaker 2: don't even know in today's day and age climate with

1518
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:24,519
Speaker 2: social media and texting and an ability for information to

1519
01:11:24,560 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 2: be shared immediately, I don't I cannot think of an

1520
01:11:27,920 --> 01:11:31,800
Speaker 2: example of something that would ever top this in that

1521
01:11:31,960 --> 01:11:34,360
Speaker 2: if you truly, if you are not of a certain age,

1522
01:11:34,400 --> 01:11:37,360
Speaker 2: I can't really explain it to you. But it was

1523
01:11:37,920 --> 01:11:39,519
Speaker 2: in those days, like you to do one thing, there

1524
01:11:39,560 --> 01:11:42,439
Speaker 2: wasn't two screening, There wasn't you weren't on your phone

1525
01:11:42,479 --> 01:11:44,880
Speaker 2: and on a gaming device and watching a TV.

1526
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:47,000
Speaker 3: It was one day there was none, there were nothing,

1527
01:11:47,040 --> 01:11:50,200
Speaker 3: There was nothing other than the TV TV and it

1528
01:11:50,280 --> 01:11:50,519
Speaker 3: was the.

1529
01:11:50,560 --> 01:11:53,200
Speaker 2: NBA Finals were on and everybody watched it. And then

1530
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:55,200
Speaker 2: all of a sudden, O. J. Simpson's in a white

1531
01:11:55,200 --> 01:12:01,120
Speaker 2: bronco and to try to describe O. J. Simpson popularity

1532
01:12:01,800 --> 01:12:03,960
Speaker 2: at that time, I would say he was a little

1533
01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:06,080
Speaker 2: bit like Charles Barkley, who we talked about earlier, not

1534
01:12:06,120 --> 01:12:08,240
Speaker 2: in terms of being like the funny jocularity, but like

1535
01:12:08,680 --> 01:12:13,960
Speaker 2: Charles is almost universally approved. Sure, everybody likes him, and

1536
01:12:14,000 --> 01:12:17,360
Speaker 2: that's how OJ was. He was universally liked. He did

1537
01:12:17,400 --> 01:12:21,280
Speaker 2: the Olympics, he did football on NBC, he did he

1538
01:12:21,320 --> 01:12:24,760
Speaker 2: was in the Naked Gun, He did Hurts commercials, He

1539
01:12:24,760 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 2: did a Hurts commercial with Arnold Palmer, like all of

1540
01:12:29,120 --> 01:12:32,120
Speaker 2: those things he was doing at that time. So it

1541
01:12:32,240 --> 01:12:35,080
Speaker 2: was so sither thing was is we found out about

1542
01:12:35,080 --> 01:12:37,799
Speaker 2: it later that there were previous issues with domestic violence

1543
01:12:37,800 --> 01:12:39,920
Speaker 2: with him, but in those days you could cover that up.

1544
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:41,639
Speaker 3: There's no social media.

1545
01:12:41,680 --> 01:12:43,960
Speaker 2: There was no social media, there was no Internet. If

1546
01:12:43,960 --> 01:12:48,920
Speaker 2: something happened in Brentwood, which is where he lived, the

1547
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:50,360
Speaker 2: only way you would know is to go to the

1548
01:12:50,560 --> 01:12:55,960
Speaker 2: La County and look up a police report. Physically you couldn't.

1549
01:12:56,000 --> 01:12:59,320
Speaker 2: There's an other way to search it. So once we

1550
01:12:59,320 --> 01:13:01,720
Speaker 2: found out late, once they charged him and once there

1551
01:13:01,760 --> 01:13:03,880
Speaker 2: was trial, it was like, oh, he'd actually done that,

1552
01:13:04,000 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 2: but we didn't know. No, the public didn't know. It

1553
01:13:06,520 --> 01:13:09,479
Speaker 2: was all under wraps, all covered up, so you had

1554
01:13:09,520 --> 01:13:11,400
Speaker 2: no clue. All you thought was he was like the

1555
01:13:11,479 --> 01:13:15,799
Speaker 2: nicest guy ever who was selling rental cars and palin

1556
01:13:15,880 --> 01:13:16,839
Speaker 2: around with everybody.

1557
01:13:16,840 --> 01:13:20,720
Speaker 3: I mean, that's when Costas Costas broke up, like when

1558
01:13:20,760 --> 01:13:23,160
Speaker 3: he was doing this, like this was his friend. This

1559
01:13:23,240 --> 01:13:25,200
Speaker 3: is a guy that has been on studio with in

1560
01:13:25,280 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 3: studio with the studio shows and done games, and like

1561
01:13:31,120 --> 01:13:33,880
Speaker 3: that was the problem for a lot of these sportscasters

1562
01:13:33,880 --> 01:13:36,639
Speaker 3: and newscasters. They had worked side by side with this guy.

1563
01:13:38,360 --> 01:13:43,160
Speaker 2: The idea that he On June seventeenth, nineteen ninety four,

1564
01:13:44,000 --> 01:13:46,840
Speaker 2: you had Game five of the NBA Finals. You had

1565
01:13:46,880 --> 01:13:49,000
Speaker 2: I think Arnold Palmer playing his last round of the

1566
01:13:49,080 --> 01:13:49,479
Speaker 2: US Open.

1567
01:13:49,600 --> 01:13:51,639
Speaker 3: I was getting to the whole list of things.

1568
01:13:51,920 --> 01:13:54,960
Speaker 2: It's the Stanley Cup. The Rangers had just won it.

1569
01:13:55,080 --> 01:13:57,040
Speaker 3: The ticker tape parade was earlier that.

1570
01:13:57,080 --> 01:13:59,639
Speaker 2: Day, earlier that day, so that was going on as well.

1571
01:14:00,880 --> 01:14:03,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, Oh, and the World Cup started.

1572
01:14:04,040 --> 01:14:04,640
Speaker 2: Oh, that's right.

1573
01:14:04,760 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 3: Jim Donovan was doing World Cup play by play.

1574
01:14:07,439 --> 01:14:10,439
Speaker 2: That's right. It was World Cup. The ninety four World

1575
01:14:10,479 --> 01:14:13,400
Speaker 2: Cup was here. Yeah, it was in the States, that's right.

1576
01:14:13,439 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 2: Brazil won that one over Italy and PK correct, Oh

1577
01:14:17,560 --> 01:14:19,240
Speaker 2: my god, Roberto Baggio missed that.

1578
01:14:19,280 --> 01:14:21,640
Speaker 3: Kick, and then it was just the trial that's you

1579
01:14:21,800 --> 01:14:22,519
Speaker 3: just watched it.

1580
01:14:22,640 --> 01:14:25,040
Speaker 2: Well, then that never came I mean that. So there

1581
01:14:25,080 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: was actually two thirty for thirties that came from that

1582
01:14:27,160 --> 01:14:29,960
Speaker 2: summer that well, and there was the OJ documentary. But

1583
01:14:30,720 --> 01:14:32,920
Speaker 2: the two Escobars came from that summer as well, because

1584
01:14:32,960 --> 01:14:36,360
Speaker 2: that the guy who did not score for Columbia was

1585
01:14:36,479 --> 01:14:39,240
Speaker 2: murdered but was in that World Cup bluit or whatever. Yeah,

1586
01:14:39,280 --> 01:14:41,920
Speaker 2: so that came from that as well. So you had

1587
01:14:42,040 --> 01:14:43,800
Speaker 2: the thirty for thirty on this day, which I if

1588
01:14:43,840 --> 01:14:45,360
Speaker 2: you haven't seen it, I recommend it because it's just

1589
01:14:45,360 --> 01:14:50,000
Speaker 2: a Bonker's twenty four hours. Then the ten parter that

1590
01:14:50,520 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 2: the ten part OJ made in America or whatever it's

1591
01:14:53,720 --> 01:14:56,200
Speaker 2: called that thing. Then there was a fictional one on

1592
01:14:56,320 --> 01:14:56,880
Speaker 2: FX too.

1593
01:14:57,400 --> 01:15:01,240
Speaker 3: Every bridge was like just had hundreds of people on

1594
01:15:01,360 --> 01:15:06,200
Speaker 3: every over side people, yeah, like everywhere, there were cops everywhere,

1595
01:15:06,760 --> 01:15:10,680
Speaker 3: like just the enough following this white bron I'm like, oh,

1596
01:15:10,800 --> 01:15:13,160
Speaker 3: can we not stop him? Well, we're just gonna let

1597
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:13,720
Speaker 3: him keep driving.

1598
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:16,120
Speaker 2: Were let him keep driving? Because remember Al Collins was

1599
01:15:16,160 --> 01:15:18,519
Speaker 2: on the phone saying like hey, he's gonna harm himself,

1600
01:15:18,560 --> 01:15:21,120
Speaker 2: Like stay back, man, I got this. Nobody wants to

1601
01:15:21,160 --> 01:15:21,960
Speaker 2: see this on the street.

1602
01:15:23,360 --> 01:15:25,759
Speaker 3: And then he pulls into the development, pulls.

1603
01:15:25,600 --> 01:15:28,799
Speaker 2: Right into his yard, and I think like Ford stopped

1604
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:32,439
Speaker 2: making the Bronco for a while because of that. Pretty sure, yeah,

1605
01:15:32,520 --> 01:15:34,240
Speaker 2: they stopped making it. Now it's back now. I love

1606
01:15:34,240 --> 01:15:38,080
Speaker 2: the new Broncos look great, but like, man, it's yeah,

1607
01:15:38,120 --> 01:15:39,840
Speaker 2: it was wild. I've interviewed him. I've told you this

1608
01:15:39,920 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 2: story before. OJ's kid went to Florida State and he

1609
01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:47,519
Speaker 2: had this autograph thing at a bar outside of in Quincy, Florida,

1610
01:15:47,520 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 2: which is from Tallahassee, and I was pretty nervous going

1611
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 2: out there to interview him. And then we went in

1612
01:15:52,320 --> 01:15:55,240
Speaker 2: and we did the interview, and as soon as you

1613
01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:57,639
Speaker 2: he could not have been kinder more great, and he's

1614
01:15:57,680 --> 01:16:00,559
Speaker 2: like juice. Honestly, Yeah, it was like the guy that

1615
01:16:00,640 --> 01:16:02,719
Speaker 2: I used to see as a kid on NBC's Football

1616
01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:08,599
Speaker 2: Just mister congeniality. You never know anything. What I remember

1617
01:16:08,720 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 2: leaving going like who did.

1618
01:16:09,760 --> 01:16:10,320
Speaker 3: We just talk to?

1619
01:16:12,320 --> 01:16:16,880
Speaker 2: What just happened? That just happened? But yeah, thirty years ago, man,

1620
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,719
Speaker 2: I remember the next day we had the Big Sky

1621
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:23,160
Speaker 2: State Games, which is like the Montana Olympics for like

1622
01:16:23,240 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 2: high school athletes. And so we had putting a team

1623
01:16:26,000 --> 01:16:28,040
Speaker 2: together for we had put a team together for the

1624
01:16:28,080 --> 01:16:29,800
Speaker 2: basketball tournament. We're going to try to win the Big

1625
01:16:29,800 --> 01:16:32,320
Speaker 2: Sky State Games. And we were in the qualifier and

1626
01:16:32,360 --> 01:16:35,320
Speaker 2: I had we had our football coach coach the basketball team.

1627
01:16:36,560 --> 01:16:39,800
Speaker 2: He's from the area. And and I'll never forget he

1628
01:16:39,840 --> 01:16:42,600
Speaker 2: said this probably in poor taste, well not probably, I

1629
01:16:42,600 --> 01:16:45,439
Speaker 2: suppose very much, but he goes, uh, we're gonna run

1630
01:16:45,439 --> 01:16:46,600
Speaker 2: the We're gonna run the O. J.

1631
01:16:46,720 --> 01:16:47,400
Speaker 3: Simpson offense.

1632
01:16:47,479 --> 01:16:51,479
Speaker 2: Run like hell. That was his line. Okay, all right,

1633
01:16:51,760 --> 01:16:55,160
Speaker 2: we're all like sixteen, all right, still trying to figure

1634
01:16:55,160 --> 01:17:00,160
Speaker 2: out what I saw practice last night? Buddy, Yeah, wow, Yeah.

1635
01:17:00,120 --> 01:17:00,599
Speaker 3: Where were you?

1636
01:17:00,600 --> 01:17:01,240
Speaker 2: Were you a final?

1637
01:17:01,479 --> 01:17:06,320
Speaker 3: Absolutely? Like that's I didn't have cable like that NBC

1638
01:17:06,960 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 3: NBA Finals, okay, And it took off the show my

1639
01:17:09,960 --> 01:17:14,920
Speaker 3: parents usually watched on Sunday night or whatever. Like I mean,

1640
01:17:14,960 --> 01:17:16,080
Speaker 3: we had no air conditioning.

1641
01:17:16,120 --> 01:17:18,479
Speaker 2: It must have been it was a Friday night, right,

1642
01:17:18,520 --> 01:17:20,639
Speaker 2: Friday night, a Friday night. It was a Friday night.

1643
01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:23,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's no air conditioning. Like the fans are on

1644
01:17:24,040 --> 01:17:26,160
Speaker 3: the windows are open, and all of a sudden, it's like,

1645
01:17:26,720 --> 01:17:28,960
Speaker 3: I can't stop watching this police chase? What is this

1646
01:17:29,040 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: all about? Jeez? No, yeah, it was. It was.

1647
01:17:35,640 --> 01:17:37,560
Speaker 2: I said this earlier this morning. It was one of

1648
01:17:37,600 --> 01:17:39,960
Speaker 2: those truly you had to be there moment because you

1649
01:17:40,040 --> 01:17:43,240
Speaker 2: can't possibly begin to describe it, uh, any other way.

1650
01:17:43,360 --> 01:17:46,320
Speaker 2: It was surreal and nuts and all of the above,

1651
01:17:46,560 --> 01:17:48,519
Speaker 2: and then the idea that like later on, that one

1652
01:17:48,560 --> 01:17:51,880
Speaker 2: of his defense attorney's entire offspring would end up being

1653
01:17:51,880 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: the most famous people on the planet. Yeah, medium moguls,

1654
01:17:57,040 --> 01:17:59,400
Speaker 2: Oh my goodness, all right, we're gonna go. Uh, we'll

1655
01:17:59,400 --> 01:18:01,120
Speaker 2: have chatt Owshe from the podium coming up next to

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Speaker 2: And now here's our passing game coordinator Chadows.

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Speaker 7: Hey, how are you doing, ry kay Amari not being here?

1673
01:19:06,640 --> 01:19:09,639
Speaker 3: How did that impact your installation during our days?

1674
01:19:09,680 --> 01:19:13,880
Speaker 7: And yeah, we had so many guys that were, you know,

1675
01:19:13,920 --> 01:19:16,880
Speaker 7: working so hard through the process, and uh, it was

1676
01:19:17,080 --> 01:19:19,920
Speaker 7: nice to see the guys that were here, uh, really

1677
01:19:19,960 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 7: make a lot of improvements, you know, learning some of

1678
01:19:23,320 --> 01:19:26,519
Speaker 7: the new language and and uh learning different ways to

1679
01:19:26,600 --> 01:19:29,320
Speaker 7: do things, which was really nice to see them work

1680
01:19:29,400 --> 01:19:31,480
Speaker 7: extremely hard and make a lot of progress.

1681
01:19:32,640 --> 01:19:32,800
Speaker 3: You know.

1682
01:19:32,880 --> 01:19:35,439
Speaker 7: It's just we really concentrate and focus on the guys

1683
01:19:35,439 --> 01:19:38,559
Speaker 7: that are here, and uh, I can't say enough about

1684
01:19:38,760 --> 01:19:42,120
Speaker 7: the way those guys have worked on the field and

1685
01:19:42,160 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 7: in the meeting room. You know, we've we've spent a

1686
01:19:44,040 --> 01:19:46,960
Speaker 7: lot of time in the meeting room, invested a lot

1687
01:19:47,000 --> 01:19:50,480
Speaker 7: of time with the quarterbacks, and a lot of communication

1688
01:19:50,640 --> 01:19:53,000
Speaker 7: that occurs to try to get on the same page.

1689
01:19:53,040 --> 01:19:56,599
Speaker 7: So the guys that have been here have works extremely

1690
01:19:56,640 --> 01:19:58,120
Speaker 7: hard plessure.

1691
01:19:57,800 --> 01:20:01,400
Speaker 8: With Elijah told it seemed like during the off season

1692
01:20:01,439 --> 01:20:04,080
Speaker 8: program he was doing so many things and they were

1693
01:20:04,120 --> 01:20:06,960
Speaker 8: just all these wrinkles that you guys seem to be

1694
01:20:07,000 --> 01:20:10,200
Speaker 8: trying to incorporate with him, and this offseason program, it

1695
01:20:10,240 --> 01:20:12,200
Speaker 8: feels like a lot of that has just been scaled

1696
01:20:12,240 --> 01:20:14,519
Speaker 8: back and maybe a little more just kind of back

1697
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 8: to the basics. Just what was your view on his

1698
01:20:17,360 --> 01:20:21,600
Speaker 8: first season here and what you hope he's able to

1699
01:20:21,680 --> 01:20:23,120
Speaker 8: do this coming.

1700
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:26,000
Speaker 7: Year with all the receiverss of balance and you know,

1701
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 7: using their versatility and doing a lot of things with

1702
01:20:29,000 --> 01:20:31,400
Speaker 7: them and then narrowing down their focus so they can

1703
01:20:31,439 --> 01:20:33,960
Speaker 7: really concentrate and be really good at the things that

1704
01:20:34,040 --> 01:20:38,240
Speaker 7: we narrow down for him. We're very fortunate with Elijah

1705
01:20:38,240 --> 01:20:40,160
Speaker 7: that he can do a lot of things really well,

1706
01:20:40,920 --> 01:20:43,879
Speaker 7: but it's also important for him to concentrate and focus

1707
01:20:44,040 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 7: on the things that you know, we narrowed down and

1708
01:20:47,600 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 7: say Hey, here's a specific role for you. So he's

1709
01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 7: really I can't say enough about his progress.

1710
01:20:54,280 --> 01:20:55,080
Speaker 3: His improvement.

1711
01:20:55,720 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 7: The way he's worked on a daily basis has been

1712
01:20:58,439 --> 01:21:02,639
Speaker 7: just very impressive. He's been provided leadership to our group.

1713
01:21:02,720 --> 01:21:06,080
Speaker 7: I've really seen him grow in that role of providing leadership.

1714
01:21:06,120 --> 01:21:08,600
Speaker 7: So not only does he provide a skill set on

1715
01:21:08,720 --> 01:21:11,080
Speaker 7: the field which is versatile, one of the things he's

1716
01:21:11,240 --> 01:21:14,760
Speaker 7: his leadership. So we're gonna always ask Elijah to do

1717
01:21:14,800 --> 01:21:16,479
Speaker 7: a lot of things and wear a lot of different

1718
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:20,040
Speaker 7: hats because we think he can handle those things. But

1719
01:21:20,120 --> 01:21:25,720
Speaker 7: Elijah's really performed well because he's really concentrated on the basics,

1720
01:21:26,200 --> 01:21:30,200
Speaker 7: and it's been really impressive to see ow ched.

1721
01:21:30,240 --> 01:21:34,200
Speaker 9: I was like Chad off of that question about Elijah.

1722
01:21:34,360 --> 01:21:36,639
Speaker 9: Not only did you guys move him around a lot

1723
01:21:36,760 --> 01:21:38,920
Speaker 9: early last season, but you know through his career he's

1724
01:21:38,920 --> 01:21:40,960
Speaker 9: gonna through a lot of quarterbacks, some number of offens.

1725
01:21:41,000 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 9: According for a receiver trying to get his established in

1726
01:21:45,840 --> 01:21:51,080
Speaker 9: the league, how much can that stunt someone's growth or

1727
01:21:51,640 --> 01:21:53,800
Speaker 9: you know, impact that their development.

1728
01:21:54,479 --> 01:21:56,360
Speaker 7: Yeah, and in a lot of ways, the development and

1729
01:21:56,360 --> 01:22:00,280
Speaker 7: the receiver. You benefit from being exposed to different ways

1730
01:22:00,320 --> 01:22:02,760
Speaker 7: to do things in different systems and learning how to

1731
01:22:03,280 --> 01:22:06,400
Speaker 7: play with different type of quarterbacks. So it's that oftentimes

1732
01:22:06,400 --> 01:22:09,120
Speaker 7: in advantage as the way we see it, where you know,

1733
01:22:09,320 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 7: time spent in different ways to do things and maybe

1734
01:22:13,400 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 7: catching passes from a different guy. You know, although you

1735
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:18,800
Speaker 7: don't have continuity, what you do learn is a lot

1736
01:22:18,840 --> 01:22:21,559
Speaker 7: about that player and their ability to adapt, which is

1737
01:22:21,600 --> 01:22:25,040
Speaker 7: that's one of Elijah's strengths is his ability to adapt

1738
01:22:25,080 --> 01:22:28,760
Speaker 7: and be virtual and play different positions. But certainly, I

1739
01:22:28,800 --> 01:22:31,240
Speaker 7: think any time a player is in your system, in

1740
01:22:31,320 --> 01:22:35,120
Speaker 7: your building, call it the second lap around the track,

1741
01:22:35,520 --> 01:22:38,280
Speaker 7: there's some comfort for that player to be, you know,

1742
01:22:38,360 --> 01:22:41,800
Speaker 7: around the coaching staff and obviously he's learning some new

1743
01:22:41,800 --> 01:22:45,240
Speaker 7: guys now, but being around coach Tafanski and being around

1744
01:22:45,280 --> 01:22:48,400
Speaker 7: the building and the support staff is probably comforting for

1745
01:22:48,479 --> 01:22:51,160
Speaker 7: him and allows him to be a much improved player

1746
01:22:51,240 --> 01:22:52,920
Speaker 7: going into his second year with US.

1747
01:22:52,880 --> 01:22:57,080
Speaker 3: And Mike Woods looks and think he helped with everything

1748
01:22:57,080 --> 01:22:57,800
Speaker 3: that had to go to that.

1749
01:22:58,080 --> 01:23:01,599
Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean, there's different players deal with adversity throughout

1750
01:23:01,640 --> 01:23:04,680
Speaker 7: their career in different ways. Whether it's injury, you know,

1751
01:23:04,720 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 7: it can be a lot of different things you deal

1752
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:07,960
Speaker 7: with from an adversity standpoint.

1753
01:23:08,400 --> 01:23:09,640
Speaker 3: Mike has embraced that.

1754
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,280
Speaker 7: You know, he's come back really strong off of his injury,

1755
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:16,360
Speaker 7: an injury that's a tough and difficult injury at that position,

1756
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,680
Speaker 7: you know it. But I've been impressed with Mike the

1757
01:23:19,680 --> 01:23:22,599
Speaker 7: way he's worked. He's performed very well on the field

1758
01:23:22,640 --> 01:23:27,600
Speaker 7: this spring. And Mike has always brought a mental ability

1759
01:23:27,640 --> 01:23:30,479
Speaker 7: to function in multiple roles for us. He's very smart,

1760
01:23:31,000 --> 01:23:33,920
Speaker 7: and you know that allows him to have more of

1761
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 7: an increased role. But from a physical standpoint, been very

1762
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:40,800
Speaker 7: impressed with how hard he's worked. And it's really a

1763
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:43,759
Speaker 7: tribute to the guys, our training staff in this building,

1764
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:47,479
Speaker 7: our strength and conditioning staff, Sean Hols, those guys have

1765
01:23:47,560 --> 01:23:50,519
Speaker 7: done a great job with him of getting him from

1766
01:23:50,560 --> 01:23:53,200
Speaker 7: his injury out on the field performing at a level

1767
01:23:53,240 --> 01:23:55,080
Speaker 7: that I think is very competitive. You think it could

1768
01:23:55,080 --> 01:23:57,320
Speaker 7: be more difficult when you have an injury like that

1769
01:23:57,400 --> 01:23:59,519
Speaker 7: custom the whole season that early in his career, right

1770
01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 7: establish himself and then get hurt, you know what I mean,

1771
01:24:02,600 --> 01:24:05,120
Speaker 7: to come back and yeah, I mean it's it's like

1772
01:24:05,400 --> 01:24:07,719
Speaker 7: it's like if you're in you know, in a boxer

1773
01:24:07,760 --> 01:24:09,880
Speaker 7: and you get punched early in the rounds, you know,

1774
01:24:10,040 --> 01:24:11,920
Speaker 7: and I think that's kind of what happens to a

1775
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:15,320
Speaker 7: player early in his career. But regardless of when that happens,

1776
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:18,960
Speaker 7: the resiliency of the players what's most important. And the

1777
01:24:19,560 --> 01:24:21,920
Speaker 7: great thing about Mike Woods is we believe that he

1778
01:24:22,000 --> 01:24:24,559
Speaker 7: has the trade of resiliency and he's going to fight

1779
01:24:24,720 --> 01:24:27,880
Speaker 7: through it. And it's been really impressive to see his

1780
01:24:28,840 --> 01:24:31,400
Speaker 7: you know, his improvement coming off the injury.

1781
01:24:31,720 --> 01:24:34,120
Speaker 8: Really noticeables here during the spring program.

1782
01:24:34,439 --> 01:24:37,120
Speaker 3: Just where have you seen him grow the most?

1783
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:42,040
Speaker 7: Been outstands. Cedric Tillman has been outstanding. He has taken

1784
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:46,639
Speaker 7: every rep and use that as an opportunity to become better.

1785
01:24:47,439 --> 01:24:51,439
Speaker 7: I see a lot of improvement in him in year two. Obviously,

1786
01:24:51,520 --> 01:24:53,040
Speaker 7: there were some things he did in year one I

1787
01:24:53,160 --> 01:24:55,639
Speaker 7: was we were very pleased with and so excited about

1788
01:24:55,680 --> 01:24:58,679
Speaker 7: his future watching him in year one. But I can't

1789
01:24:58,720 --> 01:25:01,759
Speaker 7: say enough about how well he's done on the field

1790
01:25:01,840 --> 01:25:04,759
Speaker 7: for us as far as his work ethic, making plays.

1791
01:25:05,240 --> 01:25:08,680
Speaker 7: I think he's more confident in year two, which you

1792
01:25:08,720 --> 01:25:11,880
Speaker 7: would hope to be is the case with a young player.

1793
01:25:12,360 --> 01:25:15,240
Speaker 7: But Cedric, you know, I just spoke to him and

1794
01:25:15,320 --> 01:25:18,160
Speaker 7: spoke to the group about how impressed we've been with

1795
01:25:18,320 --> 01:25:21,560
Speaker 7: him and how much he's improved, and to see his

1796
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:24,080
Speaker 7: development has been has been really great as a coach

1797
01:25:24,160 --> 01:25:24,559
Speaker 7: to see.

1798
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:30,160
Speaker 8: From your perspective these choice routes that are probably this

1799
01:25:30,320 --> 01:25:33,480
Speaker 8: new offense. How do you make sure that the quarterback

1800
01:25:34,320 --> 01:25:35,920
Speaker 8: and the receiver.

1801
01:25:37,200 --> 01:25:40,760
Speaker 7: Way Yeah, I mean choice routes and with other routesers,

1802
01:25:40,880 --> 01:25:43,479
Speaker 7: it's really time invested in the in the amount of

1803
01:25:43,600 --> 01:25:45,599
Speaker 7: time you can spend on the field with the quarterback.

1804
01:25:45,680 --> 01:25:49,880
Speaker 7: That's the most valuable thing you can do. You know,

1805
01:25:49,960 --> 01:25:52,720
Speaker 7: we can show film, we can get the playbooks out,

1806
01:25:52,760 --> 01:25:54,439
Speaker 7: and we can look at the playbooks and look at

1807
01:25:54,439 --> 01:25:56,679
Speaker 7: the drawings. But at the end of the day, what's

1808
01:25:56,720 --> 01:25:59,200
Speaker 7: most important is the quarterbacks are on the same page

1809
01:25:59,240 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 7: with the receivers, and the only way to do that

1810
01:26:01,080 --> 01:26:03,320
Speaker 7: is to get on the field and work together. It's

1811
01:26:03,360 --> 01:26:06,120
Speaker 7: been great to have the Sean out there throwing with

1812
01:26:06,280 --> 01:26:08,840
Speaker 7: the guys and really working to be on the same

1813
01:26:08,960 --> 01:26:11,559
Speaker 7: page because you have to see it through what we say,

1814
01:26:11,600 --> 01:26:13,240
Speaker 7: the same set of eyes. They have to be on

1815
01:26:13,320 --> 01:26:13,960
Speaker 7: the same page.

1816
01:26:14,600 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 6: One of the guys who has gotten an outs.

1817
01:26:21,400 --> 01:26:23,439
Speaker 7: Yeah, we were really excited when we were able to

1818
01:26:23,520 --> 01:26:27,000
Speaker 7: draft Jamori Thrash from Louisville. We were excited because of

1819
01:26:27,080 --> 01:26:29,920
Speaker 7: his versatility, very similar to Elijah Moore, where you can

1820
01:26:30,000 --> 01:26:32,519
Speaker 7: do a lot of different things with his skill set.

1821
01:26:33,720 --> 01:26:35,920
Speaker 7: The thing that I've been most impressed with, but Jamari

1822
01:26:36,120 --> 01:26:40,280
Speaker 7: is offensively, let's say, schematically. Where they aligned him at

1823
01:26:40,320 --> 01:26:42,679
Speaker 7: the University of Louisville, they aligned him in one spot.

1824
01:26:43,160 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 7: He was on one side of the field. So his

1825
01:26:45,760 --> 01:26:49,800
Speaker 7: transition to the NFL and to our offense where we're

1826
01:26:49,880 --> 01:26:52,800
Speaker 7: now moving him around, he needs to learn formations. He

1827
01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 7: needs to learn just getting into a huddle, to hear

1828
01:26:56,040 --> 01:26:59,679
Speaker 7: the verbal communication. They've always been nonverbal at the University

1829
01:26:59,680 --> 01:27:02,920
Speaker 7: of Lione and to see a player handle those things

1830
01:27:03,320 --> 01:27:06,040
Speaker 7: as well as he has, that's been most impressive. I mean,

1831
01:27:06,120 --> 01:27:08,559
Speaker 7: we all see a skill set. He can get open,

1832
01:27:08,640 --> 01:27:12,200
Speaker 7: he can catch the ball. But what doesn't go seeing

1833
01:27:12,240 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 7: a lot is his ability of functioning kind of across

1834
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 7: the board when he wasn't required to do that in college.

1835
01:27:20,000 --> 01:27:22,479
Speaker 7: So he's been able to do that because he's worked

1836
01:27:22,560 --> 01:27:24,640
Speaker 7: really hard to be able to do that.

1837
01:27:24,960 --> 01:27:29,800
Speaker 6: About how been able to stay involved and be on

1838
01:27:29,960 --> 01:27:32,000
Speaker 6: top of everything without being able to pryer.

1839
01:27:32,240 --> 01:27:36,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, we've coach Stefanski's structured our offseason programming a way

1840
01:27:36,720 --> 01:27:39,960
Speaker 7: in which you know a player can take advantage of

1841
01:27:40,320 --> 01:27:44,160
Speaker 7: walk throughs, meeting time he's structured for us. So Jerry's

1842
01:27:44,200 --> 01:27:48,520
Speaker 7: made so much progress learning the offense, learning his teammates

1843
01:27:48,920 --> 01:27:51,120
Speaker 7: in a setting that just necessarily hasn't.

1844
01:27:50,840 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 3: Been on the field all the time, you know.

1845
01:27:52,400 --> 01:27:56,920
Speaker 7: So we've gotten a lot out of having great walkthroughs

1846
01:27:56,960 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 7: in which he's very attentive and trying to learn the offense.

1847
01:27:59,600 --> 01:28:02,600
Speaker 7: The media room setting, there's been a lot of communication

1848
01:28:02,760 --> 01:28:05,120
Speaker 7: with him and the quarterbacks to be on the same page.

1849
01:28:05,520 --> 01:28:08,000
Speaker 7: So that's been, you know, really neat to see that

1850
01:28:08,479 --> 01:28:11,000
Speaker 7: you don't necessarily have to always jump on the field

1851
01:28:11,040 --> 01:28:14,080
Speaker 7: every day to make progress and become a better player

1852
01:28:14,120 --> 01:28:15,080
Speaker 7: and help our team win.

1853
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:18,000
Speaker 3: Would you think he adds to that receiver room and

1854
01:28:18,439 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 3: how he fits with the rest of the guys.

1855
01:28:21,120 --> 01:28:24,080
Speaker 7: Yeah, Jerry's another guy that's going to bring versatility. That's

1856
01:28:24,120 --> 01:28:25,960
Speaker 7: the one word we've used a lot with a lot

1857
01:28:26,000 --> 01:28:28,680
Speaker 7: of these different receivers, and that's not by accident that

1858
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,240
Speaker 7: that's what we're looking for. The more you can have

1859
01:28:31,320 --> 01:28:34,680
Speaker 7: a guy function in different spots, it allows the other

1860
01:28:34,840 --> 01:28:37,720
Speaker 7: players to use their skill sets in different spots. So

1861
01:28:38,280 --> 01:28:41,719
Speaker 7: that's the one thing that We've always really liked about

1862
01:28:41,840 --> 01:28:44,160
Speaker 7: Jerry Judy is his ability to kind of play across

1863
01:28:44,320 --> 01:28:48,120
Speaker 7: the board, play in different roles. He's got a various

1864
01:28:48,600 --> 01:28:51,640
Speaker 7: I would say his route tree is pretty big, so

1865
01:28:51,760 --> 01:28:53,479
Speaker 7: we can do a lot of different things with him,

1866
01:28:53,520 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 7: both inside outside, and again that helps those other guys

1867
01:28:57,479 --> 01:28:59,960
Speaker 7: be in different positions to use their skill set, because

1868
01:29:00,560 --> 01:29:02,639
Speaker 7: I can't say enough about the work that those other

1869
01:29:02,720 --> 01:29:05,000
Speaker 7: guys have done on the field this spring and and

1870
01:29:05,160 --> 01:29:07,240
Speaker 7: really excited about their ability to.

1871
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,080
Speaker 3: Be used in different spots as well.

1872
01:29:09,920 --> 01:29:11,479
Speaker 2: Last month, did you give.

1873
01:29:13,360 --> 01:29:17,840
Speaker 7: MVP or yeah, I'm you know, we uh. I would

1874
01:29:17,880 --> 01:29:21,960
Speaker 7: just say, I'm so happy with SAIDs development and he's

1875
01:29:22,479 --> 01:29:25,520
Speaker 7: he really took advantage. He was in this building NonStop.

1876
01:29:25,840 --> 01:29:29,400
Speaker 7: He didn't miss a day. He worked so hard and

1877
01:29:29,640 --> 01:29:32,200
Speaker 7: I can't say enough about the job he did.

1878
01:29:34,280 --> 01:29:35,400
Speaker 3: It's good. Thank you guys.

1879
01:29:36,439 --> 01:29:38,920
Speaker 2: Hi Chattosha talking about Cedric Tillman there at the end

1880
01:29:39,000 --> 01:29:44,200
Speaker 2: is availability from last week. That's that could be something

1881
01:29:44,800 --> 01:29:46,920
Speaker 2: you know, we don't want to over you know, don't

1882
01:29:46,960 --> 01:29:48,360
Speaker 2: make too big of a deal about what's going on

1883
01:29:48,479 --> 01:29:51,160
Speaker 2: in in in May and in June.

1884
01:29:51,280 --> 01:29:52,720
Speaker 3: But we have done that before, we have.

1885
01:29:53,680 --> 01:29:56,400
Speaker 2: But he he possesses a skill set that we don't

1886
01:29:56,439 --> 01:30:00,320
Speaker 2: otherwise have. His physicality is real, remember or what he

1887
01:30:00,479 --> 01:30:03,960
Speaker 2: was before the injury at Tennessee. That ball of clay

1888
01:30:04,080 --> 01:30:05,760
Speaker 2: is still there and he can go.

1889
01:30:08,439 --> 01:30:11,519
Speaker 3: He has the size. Like it's fascinating to see what

1890
01:30:11,720 --> 01:30:15,000
Speaker 3: happens with David Bell, with Cedric Tilman. And I mean,

1891
01:30:15,479 --> 01:30:17,439
Speaker 3: you've got a lot of guys in that wide receiver

1892
01:30:17,600 --> 01:30:21,800
Speaker 3: room still, yeah, you do, and it's kind of make

1893
01:30:21,880 --> 01:30:24,200
Speaker 3: or break for some of the younger guys. I don't

1894
01:30:24,200 --> 01:30:26,280
Speaker 3: think Tilman's at that point, but it might be for Bell.

1895
01:30:26,600 --> 01:30:28,560
Speaker 2: I think Bell's at that point. I think Tilman's that

1896
01:30:28,840 --> 01:30:31,880
Speaker 2: if if Tilman can play to what they drafted him

1897
01:30:31,960 --> 01:30:36,080
Speaker 2: to be, then that is just one other wild card

1898
01:30:37,120 --> 01:30:38,679
Speaker 2: for a And by the way, one other thing about

1899
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:40,080
Speaker 2: all those receivers. We're gonna be a lot more for

1900
01:30:40,240 --> 01:30:42,360
Speaker 2: wide this year, correct, So you're gonna get a lot

1901
01:30:42,400 --> 01:30:44,360
Speaker 2: more at bats and those going.

1902
01:30:44,320 --> 01:30:46,800
Speaker 3: Worried about the depth of tight ends, you're gonna have

1903
01:30:46,880 --> 01:30:48,080
Speaker 3: four wide receivers.

1904
01:30:48,120 --> 01:30:50,439
Speaker 2: You're gonna be fine. You're on that side of things. Yeah,

1905
01:30:51,120 --> 01:30:53,639
Speaker 2: all right, that'll do it for us. I appreciate you. Listen.

1906
01:30:53,760 --> 01:30:55,759
Speaker 2: Ze will be back with us tomorrow. On the program.

1907
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