1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:05,920 Speaker 1: Welcome to America's now, Mr garbutschaf teared down this wall. 2 00:00:06,360 --> 00:00:09,960 Speaker 1: Either here with us or you were with the terrorists. 3 00:00:10,080 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: If you've got healthcare already, then you can keep your plan. 4 00:00:13,320 --> 00:00:16,320 Speaker 1: If you are satisfied William Trump is not the president 5 00:00:16,360 --> 00:00:18,760 Speaker 1: of the United States, take it to a bank. Together, 6 00:00:19,280 --> 00:00:26,200 Speaker 1: we will make America great again. We'll never sharender. It's 7 00:00:26,200 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 1: what you've been waiting for all day. Buck Sexton with 8 00:00:29,640 --> 00:00:33,760 Speaker 1: America now joined the conversation called buck toll free at 9 00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:37,520 Speaker 1: eight four four nine hundred Buck. That's eight four four 10 00:00:37,960 --> 00:00:42,760 Speaker 1: nine hundred two, eight to five, sharp mind, strong voice, 11 00:00:43,200 --> 00:00:47,320 Speaker 1: Buck Sexton. Well they went and did it. That's right. 12 00:00:48,080 --> 00:00:53,519 Speaker 1: Senate Republicans eliminated the Philip buster for High Court nominees 13 00:00:53,560 --> 00:00:57,200 Speaker 1: like they said they would. Oh my following through in 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: a promise. Buck sexon with America now here with you. 15 00:01:00,600 --> 00:01:02,920 Speaker 1: Thank you so much for joining. A lot of things 16 00:01:02,920 --> 00:01:06,200 Speaker 1: to talk about today, obviously starting off with the end 17 00:01:06,240 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 1: of the filibuster for Supreme Court nominees GOP pushing through 18 00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: on that, but also we will talk about possible military 19 00:01:13,280 --> 00:01:16,959 Speaker 1: options for the US in Syria in response that chemical 20 00:01:16,959 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: weapons attack. Will also discuss Nunez stepping down, or maybe 21 00:01:22,560 --> 00:01:26,680 Speaker 1: just stepping aside from the House Intelligence Committee investigation on 22 00:01:26,720 --> 00:01:30,399 Speaker 1: all things Russia, Trump, surveillance of Trump, all of that. 23 00:01:31,120 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: And today is the anniversary of US entry into World 24 00:01:36,760 --> 00:01:40,000 Speaker 1: War One. We've got a lot of stuff to get into. 25 00:01:41,120 --> 00:01:46,360 Speaker 1: But first, McConnell, Mitch McConnell here here, let's go over 26 00:01:46,440 --> 00:01:49,480 Speaker 1: the philipbuster who promised or whatever? Here slaying for a 27 00:01:49,480 --> 00:01:51,680 Speaker 1: while in fact, play clip seventy five for me, please, 28 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: our friend the Democratic later talked about fighting the president's 29 00:01:55,280 --> 00:01:58,880 Speaker 1: nominee tooth and nail. We've heard that others and as 30 00:01:58,920 --> 00:02:01,680 Speaker 1: party are preparing the out a filibuster of this nominee, 31 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:04,360 Speaker 1: and of course I don't even know who it is. 32 00:02:04,440 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: Yet's really not productive or not what our country needs 33 00:02:10,120 --> 00:02:14,720 Speaker 1: right now. Person running over, But hey, McConnell gets a 34 00:02:14,800 --> 00:02:17,880 Speaker 1: high five because he held firm alright, he he did 35 00:02:17,919 --> 00:02:23,360 Speaker 1: what we wanted him to do. The Senate went nuclear. Uh, 36 00:02:23,680 --> 00:02:27,679 Speaker 1: let's have order on this vote. The eyes are, the 37 00:02:27,800 --> 00:02:30,680 Speaker 1: names are fifty two. The decision of the chair does 38 00:02:30,720 --> 00:02:33,880 Speaker 1: not stand as the judgment of the Senate. I don't 39 00:02:33,880 --> 00:02:36,320 Speaker 1: see what the problem here is Anybody I think this 40 00:02:36,360 --> 00:02:38,920 Speaker 1: is a good move. I like this. I think that 41 00:02:39,120 --> 00:02:42,760 Speaker 1: this had to be done. They started this with Judge 42 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:44,920 Speaker 1: McGillis Strata, who was up for the d C Circuit 43 00:02:44,960 --> 00:02:47,400 Speaker 1: Court back in Well. It ended in two thousand three. 44 00:02:47,400 --> 00:02:49,160 Speaker 1: I think it started in two thousand and one. They 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 1: held him in limbo for two years because they the Democrats, 46 00:02:52,760 --> 00:02:56,480 Speaker 1: didn't want the first Hispanic American to be appointed the 47 00:02:56,560 --> 00:02:58,400 Speaker 1: d C Circuit Court, which is a stepping stone to 48 00:02:58,440 --> 00:03:00,880 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court. I'd know they wanted to be a 49 00:03:00,880 --> 00:03:04,000 Speaker 1: conservative Honduran American immigrant. They just didn't want to push 50 00:03:04,080 --> 00:03:06,560 Speaker 1: him through. They started this and then of course with 51 00:03:06,600 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: Harry Read the Harry Read option. We'll get into some 52 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:10,280 Speaker 1: more of this, but I also want to talk to 53 00:03:10,320 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: you a bit of talk to you about a bit 54 00:03:12,600 --> 00:03:16,840 Speaker 1: of the background on filibusters. I mean, go way back 55 00:03:16,919 --> 00:03:20,800 Speaker 1: on background. Well, team, I thought it would be worthwhile 56 00:03:20,919 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 1: for us to have a little discussion of the history 57 00:03:24,760 --> 00:03:30,520 Speaker 1: of the filibuster or filibuster ring, the filibusters, all of 58 00:03:30,639 --> 00:03:35,960 Speaker 1: the above. Uh. And it's fascinating really on the parliamentary 59 00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:37,840 Speaker 1: procedure side of this, which I know is what we're 60 00:03:37,880 --> 00:03:43,000 Speaker 1: talking about today, there is a history on its own, 61 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 1: and I'll give you some of the background of that 62 00:03:45,360 --> 00:03:48,560 Speaker 1: as well, because when we're talking about whether the Senate 63 00:03:48,600 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: should or should not keep a filibuster as a tool 64 00:03:52,600 --> 00:03:57,000 Speaker 1: as as a tactic. Uh, certainly, that specific instance, that 65 00:03:57,240 --> 00:04:01,680 Speaker 1: usage of filibuster is a very important part of the discussion. 66 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:05,960 Speaker 1: But filibuster goes well beyond that. Let's go to the 67 00:04:06,040 --> 00:04:09,480 Speaker 1: earliest days. In fact, let's talk about how the filibuster 68 00:04:09,640 --> 00:04:14,040 Speaker 1: really means kicking at pirate style. Baby. The word filibuster 69 00:04:14,760 --> 00:04:18,880 Speaker 1: goes all the way back to colonial times and the 70 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: Dutch word for free booter or vrue boot here, which 71 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:26,840 Speaker 1: is as close as I'll get with Dutch I think, 72 00:04:27,400 --> 00:04:30,880 Speaker 1: which was somebody who took booty or loot. It was 73 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:36,480 Speaker 1: a pirate, a buccaneer. That's what a filibuster comes from. 74 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:39,919 Speaker 1: It's from free booter and free booters, a pirate like 75 00:04:39,920 --> 00:04:42,840 Speaker 1: like a buccaneer. The Spanish word for it, which also 76 00:04:42,880 --> 00:04:48,680 Speaker 1: took on additional context historically later on, was filibustero. So 77 00:04:49,320 --> 00:04:52,200 Speaker 1: what we're talking about with the filibuster as a function 78 00:04:52,200 --> 00:04:58,960 Speaker 1: of language is one who pirates parliamentary procedure. Parliamentary procedures, 79 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:02,760 Speaker 1: one who is a pirate of those rules that govern 80 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:06,359 Speaker 1: the legislative body. And so today with the senators, anyone 81 00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 1: who stands up and engages in a filibuster, you can 82 00:05:09,080 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 1: think of him or her as a buccaneer of the 83 00:05:12,279 --> 00:05:17,440 Speaker 1: belt Way. And the original filibusters or free booters were 84 00:05:17,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: those who were in the seventeenth century chasing booty all 85 00:05:23,000 --> 00:05:26,080 Speaker 1: over the Caribbean. In fact, the first time the word 86 00:05:26,120 --> 00:05:30,400 Speaker 1: appeared in the English language was in according to the 87 00:05:30,400 --> 00:05:35,800 Speaker 1: Oxford English Dictionary, and it of course, I want to 88 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,920 Speaker 1: talk about the context of the filibuster as a term 89 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,480 Speaker 1: and then also as a Senate procedure, which comes into 90 00:05:43,600 --> 00:05:47,520 Speaker 1: play of course after the founding. But let's also understand 91 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: that the filibuster as a tactic is even more old school. 92 00:05:53,880 --> 00:05:56,839 Speaker 1: In fact, the filibuster goes all the way back to 93 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: the Roman Senate of and so the Senate of ancient 94 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:04,640 Speaker 1: Rome was a place where the filibuster was used, and 95 00:06:04,880 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 1: it was most famously utilized by the Roman politician Cato 96 00:06:10,360 --> 00:06:15,320 Speaker 1: the Younger. Excellent depiction of Cato in the HBO series Rome, 97 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:18,080 Speaker 1: which I also highly recommend to all of you. But 98 00:06:18,120 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: it's fascinating because he's Cato the Younger, and in that 99 00:06:21,120 --> 00:06:23,599 Speaker 1: series they show him as an old guy, but he 100 00:06:23,600 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: would have been the contemporary age wise of Julius Caesar, 101 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:31,040 Speaker 1: whom he have of course opposes, but so Cato, who 102 00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: was the leader of the faction in the Roman Senate 103 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: of the Optimates, and they were the conservative elite of 104 00:06:39,279 --> 00:06:46,039 Speaker 1: the Roman Republic. He had one very well uh publicized 105 00:06:46,080 --> 00:06:50,479 Speaker 1: and storied usage of the filibuster, although of course it 106 00:06:50,560 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: wasn't called that at the time, because it wasn't until 107 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:57,039 Speaker 1: as I said to you, a colonial period that the 108 00:06:57,080 --> 00:07:00,960 Speaker 1: filibuster or the pirate, uh, the came a term that 109 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:04,200 Speaker 1: we would use. But the continuing to talk as a 110 00:07:04,200 --> 00:07:08,200 Speaker 1: means of shutting down the procedures of a legislative body. 111 00:07:08,600 --> 00:07:14,160 Speaker 1: Kato the younger did this in sixty BC. So this 112 00:07:14,200 --> 00:07:17,600 Speaker 1: is this goes way back, and the first really famous 113 00:07:17,600 --> 00:07:20,680 Speaker 1: time he did it had to do with the publicani 114 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:25,160 Speaker 1: the tax collectors. Now imagine this. Everybody in ancient Rome. 115 00:07:25,920 --> 00:07:30,840 Speaker 1: Tax collectors were uh the highest bidder for the office, 116 00:07:30,880 --> 00:07:34,559 Speaker 1: meaning somebody would pay the Roman Treasury, the Roman state 117 00:07:35,040 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: for the privilege of being in charge of tax collection 118 00:07:40,800 --> 00:07:44,480 Speaker 1: in a certain province and as as long as they 119 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 1: gave back an agreed upon amount under contract to the 120 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:53,000 Speaker 1: Roman treasury, then they could keep whatever the rest they wanted. 121 00:07:53,240 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: So for you know, back in the day in ancient Rome, 122 00:07:56,760 --> 00:08:00,200 Speaker 1: the publicani the tax collectors had an incent if to 123 00:08:00,320 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: squeeze as much as they possibly could out of the people, 124 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:09,080 Speaker 1: the citizens of a Roman province without just crushing the 125 00:08:09,080 --> 00:08:14,080 Speaker 1: economy and essentially strangling the goose that's laying the golden eggs. 126 00:08:14,160 --> 00:08:19,560 Speaker 1: So the public Khani at one point in one province 127 00:08:19,920 --> 00:08:23,760 Speaker 1: said well, there's been a famine. We we can't extract 128 00:08:23,760 --> 00:08:25,960 Speaker 1: the taxes we need, so Rome you're gonna have to 129 00:08:25,960 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: get less. And Cato was like, uh, you get what 130 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,400 Speaker 1: you get. The contract is a contract, And Cato the 131 00:08:32,440 --> 00:08:37,720 Speaker 1: younger engaged in months of continuous talking in order to 132 00:08:37,880 --> 00:08:42,319 Speaker 1: prevent that Senate business from going forward without giving them 133 00:08:42,320 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: the answer of yes, sorry, the contract is the contract. 134 00:08:45,600 --> 00:08:51,040 Speaker 1: So that's how Kato made his point. Um. But so 135 00:08:51,080 --> 00:08:52,440 Speaker 1: that let's just to give you a sense of how 136 00:08:52,520 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 1: far back this goes. But now let's bring it into 137 00:08:55,040 --> 00:09:00,280 Speaker 1: the more contemporary context. And before I take it into 138 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,440 Speaker 1: the direction of senate and Senate procedure, we also need 139 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:07,880 Speaker 1: to give a quick mention too, because again filibuster, freebooter 140 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: or Dutch rebootter. That's as close as I gut. I 141 00:09:11,400 --> 00:09:13,080 Speaker 1: don't know if the roller are in Dutch like that, 142 00:09:13,120 --> 00:09:18,840 Speaker 1: but I'm trying guys. Buccaneers, freebooters, pirates, filibuster all part 143 00:09:18,880 --> 00:09:22,800 Speaker 1: of the same terminology, all related to each other. The 144 00:09:22,880 --> 00:09:28,800 Speaker 1: filibusters became, and used as a noun, became people or 145 00:09:29,320 --> 00:09:35,360 Speaker 1: those who are engaged in expeditions foreign policy expeditions that 146 00:09:35,520 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 1: were part of efforts to create revolutions in in foreign 147 00:09:41,480 --> 00:09:45,480 Speaker 1: countries or in foreign territories. Really more so places like 148 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:51,920 Speaker 1: mid nine mid nineteenth century Texas, California, Cuba, Nicaragua, Columbia. 149 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:59,160 Speaker 1: These were all areas where you had filibuster plots and expeditions, 150 00:09:59,559 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 1: and you would have Americans who would show up and 151 00:10:02,160 --> 00:10:06,000 Speaker 1: and would decide that they were going to engage in 152 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: really not just their own foreign policy, but an active 153 00:10:09,080 --> 00:10:11,800 Speaker 1: war on behalf of either and their mind, the United 154 00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 1: States or themselves, to carve out this territory. Because this 155 00:10:16,400 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 1: was all very much in flux, as we know, so 156 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:25,559 Speaker 1: the filibusters were traveling revolutionaries in a sense in this country. 157 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:29,400 Speaker 1: They would show up in different territories, usually territories that 158 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,320 Speaker 1: have belonged to colonial powers, and would try to mount 159 00:10:33,360 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: an insurrection without the say so of the United States. 160 00:10:36,960 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: In fact, the Neutrality Act of four in part was 161 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:47,280 Speaker 1: passed to block Philip filibuster expeditions like those of George 162 00:10:47,400 --> 00:10:52,439 Speaker 1: Rogers Clark and William Blunt. It was to to stop them, 163 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,080 Speaker 1: or at least to be able to punish them for this. 164 00:10:55,280 --> 00:10:58,400 Speaker 1: And there's an interesting tie in here because it was 165 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,880 Speaker 1: under a similar cloud of suspicion of mounting a a 166 00:11:03,000 --> 00:11:06,240 Speaker 1: plot of foreign insurrection and even treason that we can 167 00:11:06,240 --> 00:11:10,679 Speaker 1: circle back to. Oh, yes, Aaron Burr and his role 168 00:11:10,800 --> 00:11:14,319 Speaker 1: in the whole filibuster process. Here. First, some of you 169 00:11:14,679 --> 00:11:17,360 Speaker 1: may recall from history class at Aaron Burr other than 170 00:11:17,559 --> 00:11:20,920 Speaker 1: most famously he was vice president, third vice president, vice 171 00:11:20,920 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 1: president of Jefferson. Most famously he's the guy who shot 172 00:11:24,360 --> 00:11:31,000 Speaker 1: and killed Alexander Hamilton's But he also was tried unsuccessfully 173 00:11:31,040 --> 00:11:34,680 Speaker 1: for treason. And there's some back and forth over what 174 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:37,439 Speaker 1: his real goals were. Was he trying to carve out 175 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,320 Speaker 1: a territory of his own, his own kingdom from what 176 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 1: we're Spanish territories and what were later covered under the 177 00:11:44,480 --> 00:11:49,560 Speaker 1: Louisiana Purchase. But that so so he was embroiled in 178 00:11:49,360 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 1: it in his own plot, his own foreign policy machinations, 179 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,719 Speaker 1: and was tried for treason unsuccessfully Aaron for third Vice 180 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,640 Speaker 1: President United States. Everyone keeps talking about polarization, and this 181 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,120 Speaker 1: comes up in the context of, oh, look at the Senate, 182 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:06,080 Speaker 1: it's now so polarized. Well, yeah, we used to have 183 00:12:06,280 --> 00:12:10,040 Speaker 1: the most well known politicians in the country literally taking 184 00:12:10,080 --> 00:12:12,320 Speaker 1: shots at each other. And so when we we go 185 00:12:12,360 --> 00:12:14,760 Speaker 1: look at the founding, it was all about the Constitution 186 00:12:14,840 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: and liberty and the beautiful Republican our, the fabric of 187 00:12:18,160 --> 00:12:21,520 Speaker 1: this nation. Yeah, there was the genius of the Constitution 188 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:26,240 Speaker 1: and the founding, but people were people, and nastiness, whether 189 00:12:26,280 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: it was in the press or the rumor mongering and 190 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:32,400 Speaker 1: the smear campaigns, it was just as bad then as 191 00:12:32,440 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: anything we're seeing now, even including allegations of Russia interference 192 00:12:37,880 --> 00:12:41,599 Speaker 1: in our elections. But back to the filibuster in practice, 193 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:45,200 Speaker 1: So you have this theory out there and it's really 194 00:12:45,200 --> 00:12:47,200 Speaker 1: taken hold OF's taken hold with a lot of conservatives 195 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 1: as well. At the filibuster is an absolutely essential part 196 00:12:52,559 --> 00:12:57,839 Speaker 1: of our of our constitutional system, or at least that 197 00:12:57,920 --> 00:12:59,600 Speaker 1: it should be there. But the problem is there's no 198 00:12:59,679 --> 00:13:04,200 Speaker 1: Philip buster written into the Constitution at all, so it 199 00:13:04,280 --> 00:13:07,640 Speaker 1: doesn't exist in that sense. It is a rule of 200 00:13:07,720 --> 00:13:10,960 Speaker 1: the Senate. And that's what brings us to Aaron Burr 201 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:14,400 Speaker 1: and parliamentary procedure. Now I know, I say parliamentary procedure 202 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 1: and a lot of your probably and I understand that 203 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:22,440 Speaker 1: we'll focus in on this. The previous question motion is 204 00:13:22,440 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: what's at issue here? The previous question motion would allow 205 00:13:26,120 --> 00:13:31,360 Speaker 1: for an immediate vote to end discussion. And in eighteen 206 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: o five Aaron Burr, Aaron Burr suggested to the Senate 207 00:13:38,000 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 1: that as he was Vice President, he suggested that it 208 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:45,760 Speaker 1: would be a good idea to get rid of this 209 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: rule that they needed to clean things up. They did 210 00:13:48,760 --> 00:13:51,480 Speaker 1: to make it more clear and the rule book, by 211 00:13:51,480 --> 00:13:53,600 Speaker 1: the way, for the House and the Senate. During the 212 00:13:53,600 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 1: time of the founding, the first few decades of this 213 00:13:56,320 --> 00:13:59,440 Speaker 1: great nation were more or less identical. It was only 214 00:13:59,480 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 1: over time that the Senate rules changed and the Senate 215 00:14:02,720 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 1: adopted this gentlemanly genteel. Oh, so we shall, you know, 216 00:14:07,360 --> 00:14:10,520 Speaker 1: treat each other as gentlemen on equals at all times. 217 00:14:10,520 --> 00:14:15,320 Speaker 1: All that stuff came later on, so they changed this rule. 218 00:14:15,400 --> 00:14:20,720 Speaker 1: In eighteen oh six they got rid of the ability 219 00:14:20,760 --> 00:14:24,080 Speaker 1: to have a previous question motion, and that of course 220 00:14:24,160 --> 00:14:26,440 Speaker 1: left open. Then well now you need to be able 221 00:14:26,440 --> 00:14:29,880 Speaker 1: to get rid of debate one way or another. But 222 00:14:30,040 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 1: nothing really happened after that. In fact, filibuster was probably 223 00:14:34,840 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: it was best known as the name of these expeditions 224 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:41,080 Speaker 1: that I mentioned to you as a tactic, though as 225 00:14:41,120 --> 00:14:46,200 Speaker 1: a tactic of parliamentary procedure um, it wasn't really used. 226 00:14:46,640 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: And you don't have the first real live filibuster until 227 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:56,440 Speaker 1: eighteen thirty seven, And it wasn't until nine seventeen that 228 00:14:56,480 --> 00:15:00,360 Speaker 1: the Senate created a culture rule which allowed out at 229 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,440 Speaker 1: the time an end to debate via a two thirds 230 00:15:03,960 --> 00:15:06,880 Speaker 1: majority vote. But of course really hard to get to 231 00:15:06,960 --> 00:15:10,040 Speaker 1: two thirds in the Senate. So back in nineteen seventy 232 00:15:10,160 --> 00:15:15,560 Speaker 1: five they lowered the required threshold to a three fifth 233 00:15:15,720 --> 00:15:17,920 Speaker 1: vote in the Senate hundred people, which is sixty people 234 00:15:17,960 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: by the way, when when they discussed the so that 235 00:15:20,120 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 1: was the change in when they discussed the golden age 236 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,920 Speaker 1: of the filibuster. In the nineteenth century, keep in mind 237 00:15:27,080 --> 00:15:30,080 Speaker 1: there were far fewer states. The Senate was taking up 238 00:15:30,160 --> 00:15:33,760 Speaker 1: much less business. It was, uh, it was a body 239 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: that was producing far fewer rules and regulations and a 240 00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: on a continuous basis, So it has evolved in in 241 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:48,080 Speaker 1: many ways. Uh. And this notion that the filibuster was 242 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 1: keeping everything in check, well, before the Civil War there 243 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:53,760 Speaker 1: were basically no filibusters. Then we fought a civil war, 244 00:15:53,800 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 1: if you want to talk about political polarization. And it 245 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:03,920 Speaker 1: really wasn't until the um the early twenty centuries that 246 00:16:04,080 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 1: Senate leaders tried to bring back the previous question motion. 247 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,280 Speaker 1: So this has been a continuing fight and it's really 248 00:16:15,800 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: it goes back and forth between well respecting the minority 249 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,960 Speaker 1: versus a tyranny of the minority in the Senate. And 250 00:16:22,000 --> 00:16:23,280 Speaker 1: if you look at the history of this in the 251 00:16:23,280 --> 00:16:27,400 Speaker 1: twentieth century, until this became a tactic that we thought 252 00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 1: of because of what happened with Miguel Estrada, and as 253 00:16:31,280 --> 00:16:35,160 Speaker 1: judicial nominations became part of a political fight over a 254 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:39,040 Speaker 1: super legislature, which is what the Supreme Court, unfortunately, because 255 00:16:39,040 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: of progressive ideology, has become. Filibusters were famously used infamously 256 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:50,800 Speaker 1: used by strom Thurmond and Senator Bird in order to 257 00:16:51,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 1: prevent the try to prevent the passage of both the 258 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 1: well the civil Rights Civil Rights Bill in the nineteen 259 00:16:59,200 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: sixty four. I mean, this was used as a tool 260 00:17:01,600 --> 00:17:05,320 Speaker 1: against civil rights. So we need to keep in mind 261 00:17:05,359 --> 00:17:07,679 Speaker 1: here that this is just a tactic. It's a procedure 262 00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:11,440 Speaker 1: with a long and complicated history. And when we look 263 00:17:11,440 --> 00:17:14,560 Speaker 1: at the Republicans and what they're doing right now, certainly 264 00:17:14,560 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: not on constitutional I know, no one's really arguing that, 265 00:17:17,200 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 1: but it wasn't a part of the framer's original intention. 266 00:17:20,960 --> 00:17:25,000 Speaker 1: The filibuster is not something that was keeping you know, 267 00:17:25,119 --> 00:17:27,919 Speaker 1: Washington or Jefferson or any of the founders up late 268 00:17:27,920 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 1: at night. Oh, should we have a filibuster. This is 269 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:34,359 Speaker 1: a procedural issue that comes to us really from the 270 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 1: rule book that we inherited of parliamentary procedure from our 271 00:17:37,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: British overlords before the Revolution, and it has been adjusted 272 00:17:41,560 --> 00:17:46,560 Speaker 1: and changed as politics warranted or dictated at the time. 273 00:17:46,720 --> 00:17:51,879 Speaker 1: So filibusters those who pirate the Senate, or a filibuster 274 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: is the pirating of the Senate, the freebooters taken to 275 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,199 Speaker 1: the Senate floor, the buccaneers of the Beltway. Keep that 276 00:18:00,240 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 1: in mind as people have these passionate back and forth 277 00:18:03,160 --> 00:18:06,000 Speaker 1: over whether this is going to lead to majority terry 278 00:18:06,119 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: and tyranny in the Senate. I don't think so, my friends, 279 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:12,000 Speaker 1: we're gonna be just fine and we'll be right back. 280 00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:17,560 Speaker 1: Rich McConnell stood stood strong or start stood firm. She's 281 00:18:17,640 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: just Misch McConnell's you know you're murried threat and you 282 00:18:20,640 --> 00:18:22,960 Speaker 1: followed followed through, and that's thrip. Let me say this 283 00:18:23,040 --> 00:18:27,520 Speaker 1: to my Democratic College. If you truly kind of support 284 00:18:27,520 --> 00:18:32,800 Speaker 1: the nomination of this eminently qualified nominee, then at least 285 00:18:32,800 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 1: allow the bipartisan majority of the Senate that supports corsets 286 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:39,199 Speaker 1: they're taken up or down vote, or at least allow it. 287 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 1: You already deployed the nuclear option in don't trigger it again. 288 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: Don't do it, don't do it, and they did it, 289 00:18:52,160 --> 00:18:55,080 Speaker 1: and so he did. Mitch McConnell is that this is 290 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,679 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell's week, and it's ms McConnell's world right now. 291 00:18:57,720 --> 00:19:00,680 Speaker 1: We're all just living in it. He he held for Uh. 292 00:19:00,720 --> 00:19:04,400 Speaker 1: The Republicans party line got this through. It's the right move. 293 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:07,120 Speaker 1: I wish we lived in a different political climate than 294 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:09,679 Speaker 1: we currently do, where there could be some degree of 295 00:19:09,720 --> 00:19:11,879 Speaker 1: reasonableness on these issues. And I would say that the 296 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:16,400 Speaker 1: Republicans showed reasonableness. They let Obama put forward, uh, sort 297 00:19:16,440 --> 00:19:19,760 Speaker 1: of Mayor and Kagan and and and they got voted in. 298 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:23,760 Speaker 1: And you know that the president got his nominees. This 299 00:19:23,840 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: is the very beginning of a new administration and they 300 00:19:25,960 --> 00:19:28,879 Speaker 1: want to play some nonsense games. I'm sorry there was 301 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,440 Speaker 1: no other options, So we can we can talk about 302 00:19:31,440 --> 00:19:34,000 Speaker 1: how it's a little oh, it's it's a shame that 303 00:19:34,040 --> 00:19:37,800 Speaker 1: they had to go nuclear, but the Republicans really did 304 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:42,120 Speaker 1: have to go nuclear. Welcome back to the Freedom Hut 305 00:19:42,320 --> 00:19:45,439 Speaker 1: on an island of liberty where you're the party and 306 00:19:45,480 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 1: it's full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks it off, everybody. 307 00:19:52,640 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: Syria is in the headlines. You have the administration saying 308 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: that they will take action in response to those horrific 309 00:20:00,640 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: the horrific chemical attack that occurred earlier this week. Secretary 310 00:20:04,600 --> 00:20:08,320 Speaker 1: of State Rex Tillerson saying that there are options that 311 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,720 Speaker 1: are being considered right now to deal with Assad, that 312 00:20:10,800 --> 00:20:14,240 Speaker 1: he has no place as the ruler of Syria in 313 00:20:14,280 --> 00:20:17,800 Speaker 1: the future. What does this mean for US foreign policy? 314 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:21,280 Speaker 1: We're joined out by Jim Carafano. He's a vice president 315 00:20:21,280 --> 00:20:24,000 Speaker 1: the Heritage Foundation and a leading expert in national security 316 00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,840 Speaker 1: and foreign policy challenges, as well as a twenty five 317 00:20:26,920 --> 00:20:30,880 Speaker 1: year Army veteran Jim, thanks for joining. Okay, it's gonna 318 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:32,560 Speaker 1: be with you. So let me tell you what it 319 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: doesn't mean. I don't I don't. It doesn't mean I 320 00:20:37,320 --> 00:20:41,520 Speaker 1: don't think that that they're talking about military regime change. 321 00:20:42,080 --> 00:20:48,720 Speaker 1: Now I've got that's simply not on anybody's table. Um, Russians, 322 00:20:48,760 --> 00:20:51,960 Speaker 1: Iranians wouldn't stand by while we marched into Damascus. Uh. 323 00:20:52,680 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: We We couldn't do that from a standing start anyway. 324 00:20:55,320 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: And and even if we did, it would be like 325 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,720 Speaker 1: Iraq two thousand five in a very small place. When 326 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:03,400 Speaker 1: he says this guy cannot stand I think he means 327 00:21:04,000 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 1: um in the way we should mean, which is this 328 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,400 Speaker 1: is an I legitimate regime. This guy has done genocide, 329 00:21:08,760 --> 00:21:12,000 Speaker 1: you know, and our goal should be to isolate uh 330 00:21:12,040 --> 00:21:14,719 Speaker 1: and remove him and hold him accountable. But but that 331 00:21:14,760 --> 00:21:17,040 Speaker 1: doesn't mean we're going to march in Damascus to do that. 332 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:20,080 Speaker 1: My guess is is what if they are talking about 333 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:22,760 Speaker 1: military force at all? Is one of their options? Yeah, 334 00:21:22,840 --> 00:21:26,240 Speaker 1: it would be something like a limited, you know, punitive strike, 335 00:21:26,880 --> 00:21:29,440 Speaker 1: you know, similar what Reagan did in in in Libby 336 00:21:29,480 --> 00:21:33,800 Speaker 1: against Godafi. So the cruise missiles that could be fired 337 00:21:33,840 --> 00:21:37,159 Speaker 1: from US ships, for example, at Syrian radar installations or 338 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:40,159 Speaker 1: other military or intelligence targets. You think that may be 339 00:21:40,320 --> 00:21:44,080 Speaker 1: on the table. But what about the possibility of enforcing 340 00:21:44,080 --> 00:21:47,320 Speaker 1: a no fly zone. I haven't seen the administration say that, 341 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:50,920 Speaker 1: but that is something that's being at least considered in 342 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 1: the press and by some analyst as an option. Here. 343 00:21:54,320 --> 00:21:57,119 Speaker 1: Wouldn't we run into some trouble with those Russian planes 344 00:21:57,119 --> 00:21:59,720 Speaker 1: that are up in the sky? Right So? So, I 345 00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:02,040 Speaker 1: mean I think, I look, I'm if you were going 346 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:06,399 Speaker 1: to do a something punitive, right, Um, either, there's I 347 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,000 Speaker 1: think a gauntlet of things you walk through. First of all, 348 00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:11,800 Speaker 1: you don't want this to escalate. You don't want to 349 00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,520 Speaker 1: do something that's going to escalate into a larger conflict 350 00:22:14,840 --> 00:22:17,400 Speaker 1: and which is going to divert you from your main objective, 351 00:22:17,400 --> 00:22:20,200 Speaker 1: which is the destruction of isis you know, keeping the 352 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: Syrian Civil War from spilling over, stabilizing Rack, stabilizing Georgian 353 00:22:23,720 --> 00:22:26,119 Speaker 1: pushing back against Ran. So you don't want to do 354 00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:28,000 Speaker 1: something that has the potential to tie you down over 355 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:30,520 Speaker 1: the long term and the potential to escalate. You want 356 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:33,080 Speaker 1: to send a message like like the you know, lobbying 357 00:22:33,080 --> 00:22:36,040 Speaker 1: the cruise missile right, So I think that the air 358 00:22:36,280 --> 00:22:38,760 Speaker 1: setting up the air you know corrid or you know, 359 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:42,600 Speaker 1: no fly zone, I think that's that doesn't fit that criteria. 360 00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:44,879 Speaker 1: Another thing is I think you would want some kind 361 00:22:44,960 --> 00:22:47,679 Speaker 1: of buy in in the region. So if if you 362 00:22:47,680 --> 00:22:51,880 Speaker 1: didn't actually have other countries physically participating in this rate 363 00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:54,960 Speaker 1: or bombing or whatever, you would certainly want them to 364 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: support it, like the Arab League saying you know, we 365 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:59,960 Speaker 1: support this, or or Saudi Arabia, you know, refielding a 366 00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:03,400 Speaker 1: plane or something. I don't know, uh, but I think 367 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 1: and and of course you would't want it to be proportional. 368 00:23:05,440 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: You would You're gonna blow up, you know, something that's 369 00:23:07,720 --> 00:23:11,040 Speaker 1: a military target, which is you know, important to which 370 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:13,800 Speaker 1: is significant to the regime. But it is not something 371 00:23:13,840 --> 00:23:16,399 Speaker 1: that that's gonna, you know, start being a war control 372 00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 1: people can't say, oh my god, you know, we're starting 373 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:20,800 Speaker 1: a war in Syria. Look, first of all, we're already 374 00:23:20,840 --> 00:23:23,480 Speaker 1: in Seria. We're already blown up stuff just right now. 375 00:23:23,480 --> 00:23:26,520 Speaker 1: The stuff were blown up. Well, but the big change 376 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 1: would be targeting the Assad regime militarily, which hasn't happened 377 00:23:31,160 --> 00:23:33,200 Speaker 1: in the past. I think one of the problems here 378 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:36,480 Speaker 1: is that the options that the US has are limited 379 00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:40,760 Speaker 1: by where we're trying to insert ourselves here on the timeline, 380 00:23:40,800 --> 00:23:43,040 Speaker 1: You've got about a half a million people have been 381 00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 1: killed in Syria. The war has been going on there 382 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:48,600 Speaker 1: for many years, and it seems like it's going to 383 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:51,800 Speaker 1: continue on for some years to come. And I think 384 00:23:51,840 --> 00:23:54,440 Speaker 1: that one thing that still sticks out in the minds 385 00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:57,160 Speaker 1: of everybody who's been following the Syria conflict is if 386 00:23:57,200 --> 00:24:01,159 Speaker 1: Facade goes, what comes after a side. So while we 387 00:24:01,200 --> 00:24:05,119 Speaker 1: can talk about removing him with a political process that's ongoing, 388 00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:08,000 Speaker 1: we also have to look at who is the most 389 00:24:08,080 --> 00:24:11,560 Speaker 1: likely party to fill that political vacuum if a Sade 390 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,480 Speaker 1: were in fact toppled. The options right now are not 391 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,639 Speaker 1: are not looking very good, right That's why I you know, 392 00:24:17,680 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: I think short term regime regime change is simply just 393 00:24:20,160 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 1: not at anybody's table. It's just it's just not there. 394 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:26,440 Speaker 1: And this would literally be I mean, if they did, 395 00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,960 Speaker 1: this would be a punitive strike, use of chemical weapons 396 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,480 Speaker 1: as a violation of international lots and outrage against humanity 397 00:24:33,560 --> 00:24:36,440 Speaker 1: and you know, letting people know there's no free lunch, 398 00:24:37,400 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: you know, Okay, maybe that's if you want to do that, okay, 399 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: but I think you're not on it. You can't get 400 00:24:44,080 --> 00:24:46,080 Speaker 1: on an escalatory path that gets you started to a 401 00:24:46,240 --> 00:24:49,960 Speaker 1: regime change order, a larger confrontation with the Russian and 402 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:52,919 Speaker 1: and it is just being kind of brutally honest, a 403 00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:57,040 Speaker 1: diversion from what's the goal. Have the conflict stop spreading, 404 00:24:57,480 --> 00:24:59,399 Speaker 1: get rid of ices in al Qaeda, and and you 405 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:03,199 Speaker 1: know what is the big humanitarian gesture? I mean, nobody 406 00:25:03,200 --> 00:25:06,000 Speaker 1: everybody agrees this is gonna this is gonna lurch towards 407 00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,120 Speaker 1: some kind of frozen conflict where D's gonna have some territory, 408 00:25:09,480 --> 00:25:11,440 Speaker 1: Turkey is going to control something. Siria is not really 409 00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:15,520 Speaker 1: a country anymore, right exactly. And and when there is, 410 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:17,760 Speaker 1: when that frozen conflict happens, you know a lot of 411 00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,760 Speaker 1: people are going to stop having to be refugees and 412 00:25:19,760 --> 00:25:22,840 Speaker 1: they're gonna stop dying. And that's and that's probably the 413 00:25:22,840 --> 00:25:26,399 Speaker 1: biggest humanitarian gesture that we could make. So that that 414 00:25:26,440 --> 00:25:28,919 Speaker 1: should be the focus for our operations as goal of operations, 415 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:32,720 Speaker 1: like it's never been about Syria the United States. Syria 416 00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,120 Speaker 1: has never been strategically important to US. Um we got 417 00:25:36,119 --> 00:25:38,640 Speaker 1: we had a policy in the Middle East for decades 418 00:25:38,680 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 1: in which Syria is an enemy. It didn't matter. Um, 419 00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,159 Speaker 1: we want to limit the ability of Assad and Syria 420 00:25:44,240 --> 00:25:46,919 Speaker 1: do bad things. We want to absolutely kind of condemn 421 00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: and reject the regime. Um. But but but but we're 422 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:53,639 Speaker 1: not gonna we can live with Assad staying in power 423 00:25:53,640 --> 00:25:56,119 Speaker 1: in Syria despite what's just happened, and how terrible it is, 424 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,000 Speaker 1: the fact that matters. The international community has been living 425 00:25:58,000 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 1: with it, living with it for a long time. These 426 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:03,240 Speaker 1: lonic stay we can live with right, mean, that's I think, 427 00:26:03,240 --> 00:26:06,119 Speaker 1: that's absolutely right. I mean, And as long as Lan 428 00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: and Russia are gonna prop Upasade, you know, so I's 429 00:26:09,320 --> 00:26:11,440 Speaker 1: gonna stay. That's just a fact of life. And and 430 00:26:11,680 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: and what this also tells you is Russia and Iran 431 00:26:14,600 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: are not your friends and they never will be, you know. 432 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:19,320 Speaker 1: And and that's the fact you're gonna have to learn 433 00:26:19,320 --> 00:26:21,439 Speaker 1: to live with. And why the Iran deal was just 434 00:26:21,520 --> 00:26:23,399 Speaker 1: a dumb deal at the end of the day, giving 435 00:26:24,240 --> 00:26:27,159 Speaker 1: filling the conference with billions of dollars to a country 436 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 1: who has a policy of using state sponsored terrorism as 437 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:32,480 Speaker 1: an instrument of foreign policy, and it's going to turn 438 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,600 Speaker 1: around and support people that are gonna gas children. That 439 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,240 Speaker 1: maybe wasn't the smartest thing ever. You know, thinking the 440 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:41,199 Speaker 1: Russians are gonna do you a solid in Europe or 441 00:26:41,359 --> 00:26:45,040 Speaker 1: the Middle East. That's that's just farcical. So I mean, 442 00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: you know, maybe you know, maybe he can pull off 443 00:26:48,359 --> 00:26:51,600 Speaker 1: a Reagan like moment, you know, go over bomb something, 444 00:26:51,760 --> 00:26:54,080 Speaker 1: you know, wag your finger at that and and walk on. 445 00:26:54,680 --> 00:26:56,760 Speaker 1: Um and uh. But then we've got to get back 446 00:26:56,800 --> 00:26:59,720 Speaker 1: to the business of kind of stabilizing the region. And 447 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: and uh and and there's and and you know, as 448 00:27:02,880 --> 00:27:04,920 Speaker 1: I think we learned in the meeting with the Presidency 449 00:27:05,280 --> 00:27:09,520 Speaker 1: media yesterday, this is a long term project. Um. This 450 00:27:09,560 --> 00:27:15,760 Speaker 1: is going to require um us uh presence and and engagement. 451 00:27:15,960 --> 00:27:18,399 Speaker 1: It's it's not going back and trying to do like 452 00:27:18,440 --> 00:27:21,159 Speaker 1: Bush and just kind of rewrite the Middle East ourselves. 453 00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,440 Speaker 1: It's not Obama and just kind of close our eyes 454 00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,639 Speaker 1: and walk away. It's proactively staying engaged in the region 455 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:29,200 Speaker 1: and dealing with bad actors like ISIS and al Qaeda, 456 00:27:29,520 --> 00:27:32,280 Speaker 1: and pushing back against people like Russia, Assad and Iran. 457 00:27:32,560 --> 00:27:34,159 Speaker 1: And that's just something that we're going to have to 458 00:27:34,200 --> 00:27:36,800 Speaker 1: do for decades. But the reality is is if we 459 00:27:36,840 --> 00:27:39,080 Speaker 1: do that, the region is going to be much more peaceful, 460 00:27:39,080 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: Our interests are going to be protected, uh, and we 461 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,560 Speaker 1: will do the most good for the most people. Now, 462 00:27:44,640 --> 00:27:46,679 Speaker 1: I think it's a good place for us to transition, 463 00:27:46,880 --> 00:27:50,080 Speaker 1: as you're speaking about u S military objectives across the 464 00:27:50,080 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: Middle East and around the world, to your latest piece 465 00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:57,280 Speaker 1: on the cost of Obama era military cuts. This is 466 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:00,879 Speaker 1: coming up now because of course, one there is the 467 00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:03,720 Speaker 1: budget is something that the Republicans are going to be 468 00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,600 Speaker 1: looking at and debating in the weeks ahead. Um. But 469 00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 1: military cuts have been on the President's radar for some 470 00:28:10,920 --> 00:28:14,120 Speaker 1: time now. He's been talking about how our military so depleted, 471 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,200 Speaker 1: our military has all these problems in terms of lack 472 00:28:17,240 --> 00:28:20,520 Speaker 1: of funding. What's the reality there, what's true and what's 473 00:28:20,560 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 1: maybe either overstated or not precise when the president's discussing 474 00:28:24,960 --> 00:28:26,879 Speaker 1: the military and the cuts and what needs to be 475 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:29,199 Speaker 1: done about it. Well, I mean, I think if you 476 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: listen to the testimony of the Joint chiefs and the 477 00:28:32,320 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 1: senior military leaders that we've had in Congress, and which 478 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:37,520 Speaker 1: basically they were told, like, go out and just tell 479 00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:40,000 Speaker 1: the we just go out and just tell what's going on. 480 00:28:40,160 --> 00:28:42,840 Speaker 1: Don't be constrained like where you were under the Obama administration, 481 00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,960 Speaker 1: where you you know, you were consciously restrained from saying 482 00:28:46,400 --> 00:28:49,160 Speaker 1: kind of the real state of things. The reality is 483 00:28:49,200 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 1: that we are in a readiness crisis, We're in a 484 00:28:50,920 --> 00:28:54,480 Speaker 1: parts crisis. We do have trouble generating force just doing 485 00:28:54,520 --> 00:28:56,320 Speaker 1: what we do in the world today, let alone go 486 00:28:56,360 --> 00:28:58,760 Speaker 1: out and try to you know, fight new wars. And 487 00:28:59,080 --> 00:29:02,239 Speaker 1: and that's unsustained bellowver over time, and it it is, 488 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:04,840 Speaker 1: you know, something that needs to be fixed on this score. 489 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 1: The president's rhetoric is not just you know, kind of 490 00:29:07,720 --> 00:29:10,560 Speaker 1: the president spouting off the way the president is. There 491 00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:13,040 Speaker 1: is a you know, we debate because if you remember 492 00:29:13,840 --> 00:29:16,080 Speaker 1: UM in the nineties under Bill Clinton, you know, we 493 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:17,960 Speaker 1: tried to draw down and we grew down too far, 494 00:29:18,000 --> 00:29:20,280 Speaker 1: and that we actually had trouble, yeah, you know, getting 495 00:29:20,320 --> 00:29:23,160 Speaker 1: an army, getting a small army contention in the places 496 00:29:23,200 --> 00:29:26,320 Speaker 1: like close to vote Um during the Balkan Wars. And 497 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,920 Speaker 1: I remember back in the seventies under Jimmy Carter, I mean, 498 00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,440 Speaker 1: our army was in our military was in terrible shape. 499 00:29:31,480 --> 00:29:34,160 Speaker 1: We couldn't get couldn't get ships out of port. And 500 00:29:34,280 --> 00:29:36,720 Speaker 1: the serious people that do defense right, the people that 501 00:29:37,040 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: they're not partisan, that just really look at the hardcore numbers. Um, 502 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,480 Speaker 1: we sit around and what we argue about is where 503 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,200 Speaker 1: are we you know, are we are we in the 504 00:29:44,400 --> 00:29:47,200 Speaker 1: are we in Clinton's military? Where are we in Jimmy 505 00:29:47,240 --> 00:29:50,959 Speaker 1: Carter's military? And everybody thinks it's worse than Clinton and 506 00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:53,040 Speaker 1: we and we debate, is it really as bad as 507 00:29:53,120 --> 00:29:56,040 Speaker 1: Jimmy Carter? Um? Some people argue in some ways it's 508 00:29:56,040 --> 00:29:58,080 Speaker 1: actually mutually a little worse off than we were in 509 00:29:58,160 --> 00:30:01,280 Speaker 1: the semoties. But nobody, nobody, it really tracks this makes 510 00:30:01,280 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: sense thing. And I know people talk about we need 511 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 1: to spend money or efficiently, and we need to cut 512 00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,200 Speaker 1: out fraudways and abuse, not be stupid, not by stuff 513 00:30:09,240 --> 00:30:11,600 Speaker 1: we don't need. Everybody agrees with that, but when you 514 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,240 Speaker 1: add all that up, you know, we are still significantly 515 00:30:15,280 --> 00:30:19,040 Speaker 1: underfunded and uh and and it's really starting to show. 516 00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 1: One of the reasons why I don't worry about regime 517 00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:24,960 Speaker 1: change is I doubt the U. S. Military could launch 518 00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:28,760 Speaker 1: an operation to clear out Syria tomorrow. I don't think 519 00:30:28,760 --> 00:30:30,520 Speaker 1: we have the forces to do that. That's a tiny 520 00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:33,240 Speaker 1: country in a place that's you know, not at the 521 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: end of the world. But but you know, something like 522 00:30:36,560 --> 00:30:40,200 Speaker 1: we did within the First Golf War, were we you know, 523 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,720 Speaker 1: kicked Saddam Hussein out of Kuwait. I don't know if 524 00:30:43,760 --> 00:30:45,720 Speaker 1: we can mount an operation like that. One more for you, Jimmy, 525 00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:47,920 Speaker 1: before we let you go. How worried are you about 526 00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 1: what's been going on in North Korea? I feel like 527 00:30:49,560 --> 00:30:52,840 Speaker 1: if anyone does a quick Google search North Korean firing missiles, 528 00:30:52,880 --> 00:30:56,080 Speaker 1: acting crazy, threatening the world, that is nothing new, But 529 00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:59,640 Speaker 1: there does seem to be a change in the level 530 00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,960 Speaker 1: of concern at least a change in the tone of 531 00:31:02,000 --> 00:31:05,240 Speaker 1: the reporting about this recently. Is that real or is 532 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:08,440 Speaker 1: that just perception right now? Well, no, it's real because 533 00:31:08,600 --> 00:31:10,560 Speaker 1: although they're doing the same things they've always done, the 534 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: capability they have to do bad stuff is getting worse. 535 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,520 Speaker 1: I mean, they are getting very close to being able 536 00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:18,560 Speaker 1: to have an operational missile force where you could fire 537 00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,200 Speaker 1: an I CPM with a new clue up and on it. 538 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,920 Speaker 1: They could blow up the city. So it's it's it's 539 00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:26,400 Speaker 1: it's a much more it's a much more serious threat 540 00:31:26,440 --> 00:31:29,000 Speaker 1: than it was a decade or two ago. Um. You know, 541 00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,360 Speaker 1: I think where this administration is going, and when I 542 00:31:31,360 --> 00:31:32,880 Speaker 1: think is a space. I mean, I think there's a 543 00:31:32,880 --> 00:31:35,880 Speaker 1: space between being preemptive going out there and you know, 544 00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: trying to blow something up in North Korea and kind 545 00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:40,360 Speaker 1: of closing your eyes and hoping it's go away. So 546 00:31:40,400 --> 00:31:42,920 Speaker 1: I do think there's a tough stance that's tough for them. 547 00:31:42,960 --> 00:31:46,160 Speaker 1: We've done, but that's you know, below starting World War three, 548 00:31:46,520 --> 00:31:49,080 Speaker 1: which can handle the North Korean threat. Again, it's it's 549 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:51,440 Speaker 1: kind of a long term thing. Actually, if what you 550 00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,040 Speaker 1: find if you go around the world today, whether it's 551 00:31:53,080 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: Europe or Asia or the Middle East, there's a place 552 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: between Obama's kind of just pulling away and doing nothing 553 00:31:59,400 --> 00:32:00,840 Speaker 1: and a place thing, well, we got to go in 554 00:32:00,840 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: there and kind of rewrite the region, a place where 555 00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:07,920 Speaker 1: just kind of consistent US presence and influence, backed by 556 00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 1: a military that actually has capability, can can keep a 557 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,600 Speaker 1: lid on things for decades. And that's you know that 558 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,800 Speaker 1: that would be a blessing in and of itself. Jim Carrafanos, 559 00:32:16,840 --> 00:32:19,480 Speaker 1: Vice president at the Heritage Foundation, twenty five year Army 560 00:32:19,560 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 1: veteran UH and you can follow him on Twitter at 561 00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: j J Karafano. Jim, so, thank you so much for 562 00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: making time. We appreciate it. Thank you, thanks for having 563 00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:31,280 Speaker 1: me man. Okay, great, Thanks Jim. What do you think 564 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:35,160 Speaker 1: about the US military options that are being discussed right now? 565 00:32:35,240 --> 00:32:38,440 Speaker 1: Is a response to the chemical attack in Syria? Should 566 00:32:38,480 --> 00:32:41,360 Speaker 1: Assad go? Or is this a problem that we cannot 567 00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:43,360 Speaker 1: make our own that more, we'll talk about it and 568 00:32:43,400 --> 00:32:49,520 Speaker 1: bere it back. It looks like the administration is certainly 569 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:53,000 Speaker 1: considering a response, as we were just discussing on Syria 570 00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:56,719 Speaker 1: after the horrific chemical weapons attack. What are your thoughts 571 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: on this team? I am very curious UM seeing some 572 00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:03,480 Speaker 1: pulling out there that shows a pretty even split, non 573 00:33:03,520 --> 00:33:06,160 Speaker 1: scientific pulls, but a pretty even split between those who 574 00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:09,800 Speaker 1: believe there should be military action taken against Remember it's 575 00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: non military action in Syria, it's military action against the 576 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,680 Speaker 1: Assad regime in Syria. We already are involved militarily in 577 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,880 Speaker 1: Syria against the Islamic State. Should we expand that? Keep 578 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:25,600 Speaker 1: in mind that you have Russian jets flying in the 579 00:33:25,640 --> 00:33:28,760 Speaker 1: sky in Syria dropping bombs, You have Russian fighters. You 580 00:33:28,840 --> 00:33:32,440 Speaker 1: also have I'm sure Russian intelligence and spet SNAs running 581 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:34,840 Speaker 1: around causing problems and doing all kinds of things too 582 00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: that we are unaware of. UM, And you have uh 583 00:33:39,960 --> 00:33:43,440 Speaker 1: Iranian Iranian ground forces in Syria. You have a lot 584 00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:46,600 Speaker 1: of stuff going on there that we would be getting 585 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:48,800 Speaker 1: in the middle of, more than we already are to 586 00:33:48,840 --> 00:33:54,640 Speaker 1: some extent, So we will have to see. Um. You 587 00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:59,320 Speaker 1: have Secretary of State saying that Rex Tillerson saying this 588 00:33:59,360 --> 00:34:04,200 Speaker 1: will happen, but I'll happen through a political process. With 589 00:34:04,280 --> 00:34:06,719 Speaker 1: the acts that he has taken, it would seem that 590 00:34:06,760 --> 00:34:09,160 Speaker 1: there would be no role for him to govern the 591 00:34:09,239 --> 00:34:12,439 Speaker 1: Syrian people. Well, the process by which SAD would leave 592 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: is something that I think requires an international community effort, 593 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:23,080 Speaker 1: both to first defeat ISIS within Syria, to stabilize the 594 00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:27,960 Speaker 1: Syrian country to avoid further civil war, and then to 595 00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:30,800 Speaker 1: work collectively with our partners around the world through a 596 00:34:30,840 --> 00:34:34,800 Speaker 1: political process that would lead to the SAD leaving. Will 597 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:39,800 Speaker 1: you and President Trust organize an international coalition to rootle 598 00:34:39,880 --> 00:34:45,960 Speaker 1: the thought Those steps are under way. Steps are under way. 599 00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:50,640 Speaker 1: They have, at least theoretically from a policy standpoint, been 600 00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: under way for years now. The regime change in Syria 601 00:34:55,640 --> 00:34:58,880 Speaker 1: was the policy of the Obama administration. It should be 602 00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:01,840 Speaker 1: noted that before we went into Iraq, it was the 603 00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 1: official position of the United States government, even under the 604 00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:08,520 Speaker 1: Clinton administration that we would that that regime change with 605 00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: Saddam Hussein was our policy. So now we have people 606 00:35:13,640 --> 00:35:16,040 Speaker 1: that are coming together and saying, all right, I mean 607 00:35:16,080 --> 00:35:19,040 Speaker 1: in this country, the Policy community, Secretary of State and 608 00:35:19,040 --> 00:35:23,759 Speaker 1: others saying we need to get an international uh an 609 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: international coalition united in removing Assad and stabilizing Syria and 610 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,240 Speaker 1: defeating ISIS. All of this is good. All this is true. 611 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,080 Speaker 1: All of this should have been done about four or 612 00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:38,000 Speaker 1: five years ago. Now that's not this administration's fault. I 613 00:35:38,080 --> 00:35:43,200 Speaker 1: and I sometimes I wholeheartedly agree like Senator Jan McKean, 614 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:48,719 Speaker 1: and he's right on the Obama administration's terrible legacy when 615 00:35:48,760 --> 00:35:52,600 Speaker 1: it comes to Syria. There is a legacy issue here, 616 00:35:52,600 --> 00:35:55,400 Speaker 1: and that is that the previous administration sat around and 617 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:58,800 Speaker 1: did very little and left this problem behind. I believe, 618 00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:02,120 Speaker 1: largely for dem stick political reasons, they chose to leave 619 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,399 Speaker 1: this problem for the next administration to handle. They did 620 00:36:05,400 --> 00:36:07,439 Speaker 1: the bare minimum to make it seem like they were 621 00:36:07,480 --> 00:36:10,560 Speaker 1: doing something. I even saw. I believe it was rhuter 622 00:36:10,680 --> 00:36:14,960 Speaker 1: Is one of the news wires UH sharing a government 623 00:36:15,040 --> 00:36:19,880 Speaker 1: concern here. I forget what the State Department or but 624 00:36:20,000 --> 00:36:22,280 Speaker 1: the concern that all the chemical weapons that were supposed 625 00:36:22,280 --> 00:36:24,560 Speaker 1: to be out of Assad's hands were not. Well, yeah, 626 00:36:24,840 --> 00:36:29,960 Speaker 1: that's obviously not. But McCain said, this is an Obama legacy. 627 00:36:31,960 --> 00:36:34,919 Speaker 1: This is a legacy of Barack Obama. The last time 628 00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:37,800 Speaker 1: this happened, Barack Obama said they'd crossed the redline, called 629 00:36:37,880 --> 00:36:39,759 Speaker 1: me and Lindsey Graham down to the White House said 630 00:36:40,560 --> 00:36:44,680 Speaker 1: and did nothing. You know, one thing worse than doing 631 00:36:44,680 --> 00:36:47,239 Speaker 1: nothing is saying you're going to do something. Is the 632 00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,440 Speaker 1: most powerful leader on earth and and doing nothing. So 633 00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:53,879 Speaker 1: this is a legacy of Barack Obama, and it's been 634 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:58,080 Speaker 1: going on now for the intervening four years. So what 635 00:36:58,160 --> 00:37:00,680 Speaker 1: we need to do. We need to stop up Bush 636 00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,760 Speaker 1: Rassad's planes from flying. And we can do that easily, 637 00:37:04,120 --> 00:37:06,480 Speaker 1: just say don't fly or you're gonna get shut down. 638 00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:09,680 Speaker 1: It's not actually as easy as he says it is, 639 00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,640 Speaker 1: but that's the whole You also would have to deal 640 00:37:12,760 --> 00:37:15,840 Speaker 1: with Syrian air defense measures. You'd have to deal with 641 00:37:15,880 --> 00:37:19,280 Speaker 1: Russian planes in the sky. What happens if a Russian 642 00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:25,080 Speaker 1: plane engages one of our no fly zone jets. There's 643 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:26,880 Speaker 1: already been some back and forth on this between the 644 00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:30,600 Speaker 1: Russians and the Turks, so it's not simple. But John 645 00:37:30,640 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: McCain on the overall merits here is correct. We are 646 00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 1: in this position because the previous administration, which held itself 647 00:37:36,960 --> 00:37:42,760 Speaker 1: up as wise and and and so educated and brilliant 648 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,320 Speaker 1: on issues of foreign policy, just did as bad a 649 00:37:46,440 --> 00:37:49,920 Speaker 1: job in Syria as one could do absent a massive 650 00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: uh influx of US troops stuck in a difficult counterinsurgency campaign. 651 00:37:56,520 --> 00:37:59,359 Speaker 1: They did avoid that. Um. But that's the only thing 652 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,360 Speaker 1: I think you could say about Obama's policy in Syria 653 00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:08,320 Speaker 1: that made any sense or was worthwhile. He spreads freedom 654 00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:12,000 Speaker 1: because freedom is not gonna spread itself, Buck sext in 655 00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:18,360 Speaker 1: his back Welcome back team. So a few updates here 656 00:38:18,400 --> 00:38:24,680 Speaker 1: from today on all things Congressman Nunya's former Nation Security 657 00:38:24,680 --> 00:38:30,080 Speaker 1: advisor Rice Russia Trump, all that stuff that has been 658 00:38:31,040 --> 00:38:33,920 Speaker 1: a staple of the new cycle now for weeks, for months, 659 00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,799 Speaker 1: it feels like here's where we know Nunia has stepped aside. 660 00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:45,200 Speaker 1: He said this is because of left wing groups. Let 661 00:38:45,239 --> 00:38:48,520 Speaker 1: me read the exact statement to you here. I will 662 00:38:48,560 --> 00:38:51,880 Speaker 1: pull it up and one here we go. Uh. Several 663 00:38:51,920 --> 00:38:54,880 Speaker 1: left wing activist groups have fouled accusations against me with 664 00:38:55,000 --> 00:38:59,240 Speaker 1: the Office of Congressional Ethics. The charges are entirely false 665 00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,799 Speaker 1: and politically motivated, and are being leveled just as the 666 00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,440 Speaker 1: American people are beginning to learn the truth about the 667 00:39:05,440 --> 00:39:09,200 Speaker 1: improper unmasking of the identities of U. S citizens and 668 00:39:09,360 --> 00:39:14,280 Speaker 1: other abuses of power. Despite the baselessness of these charges, 669 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,239 Speaker 1: I believe it is in the best interests of the 670 00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,200 Speaker 1: House Intelligence Committee and the Congress for me to have 671 00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:22,279 Speaker 1: Representative Mike Conway, with assistance from Representative Trade Gaudy and 672 00:39:22,320 --> 00:39:26,759 Speaker 1: Tom Rooney, temporarily take charge of the Committee's Russia investigation 673 00:39:26,760 --> 00:39:29,719 Speaker 1: while the House Ethics Committee looks into this matter. I 674 00:39:29,760 --> 00:39:32,640 Speaker 1: will continue to fulfill all my other responsibilities as Committee chairman, 675 00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:34,520 Speaker 1: and I'm requesting to speak to the Ethics Committee at 676 00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,759 Speaker 1: the earliest possible opportunity in order to expedite the dismissal 677 00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: of these valse claims. Okay, Now, the interesting thing as 678 00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: I see it here is that we're being told, uh 679 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,719 Speaker 1: that this is not so much that News is not 680 00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:56,200 Speaker 1: stepping down as in its permanent he's stepping aside temporarily. 681 00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,880 Speaker 1: And I also don't think this is in any way 682 00:39:59,160 --> 00:40:02,000 Speaker 1: a victory for the Democrats or the left. And I 683 00:40:02,040 --> 00:40:05,000 Speaker 1: do see these investigations through a partisan through a partisan lines. 684 00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:08,200 Speaker 1: I'm realistic about it. I know there are some people 685 00:40:08,239 --> 00:40:11,600 Speaker 1: that believe these fictions that are pedaled to us about 686 00:40:11,600 --> 00:40:14,520 Speaker 1: how Congress is above that this is about getting to 687 00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,000 Speaker 1: the truth. Really did do? We all remember what it 688 00:40:18,040 --> 00:40:21,280 Speaker 1: was like in the Benghazi hearings? For example, a Democrats 689 00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:24,640 Speaker 1: speaking Hillary Clinton is amazing, She's great, Everything she does 690 00:40:24,719 --> 00:40:27,279 Speaker 1: is brilliant. You people are so terrible who think she 691 00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,279 Speaker 1: did a bad job in Benghazi. And then you have 692 00:40:29,280 --> 00:40:33,799 Speaker 1: a Republican speaking, he's you know, Hillary's you know not. 693 00:40:34,360 --> 00:40:37,960 Speaker 1: Hillary didn't respond to Ambassador Stevens. Hillary didn't pay attention 694 00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,959 Speaker 1: what was going on Benghazi. Hill reled about this. Now, 695 00:40:41,000 --> 00:40:42,680 Speaker 1: of course I agree with that side of it, but 696 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,120 Speaker 1: the point is that you always knew what you were 697 00:40:44,120 --> 00:40:48,439 Speaker 1: going to get before they started speaking. There's no surprises here. 698 00:40:49,239 --> 00:40:53,160 Speaker 1: As I've said to you before, they they literally list 699 00:40:53,239 --> 00:40:55,359 Speaker 1: them as a Democratic Republican up on the screen when 700 00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:57,319 Speaker 1: they're having these hearings. They all know it's televised. They 701 00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,359 Speaker 1: know they're playing to the cameras, playing to their base, 702 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:03,799 Speaker 1: their donors. So why the pretense that this is not 703 00:41:03,960 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 1: automatically politicized? Just because it's politicialized doesn't mean it's invalid 704 00:41:09,080 --> 00:41:11,719 Speaker 1: just because there are polity. Yeah, these are members of 705 00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:14,840 Speaker 1: Congress doing an investigation. Of course there's going to be 706 00:41:15,840 --> 00:41:20,239 Speaker 1: politics here, um. But it seems to me that Nunez 707 00:41:20,480 --> 00:41:24,279 Speaker 1: is stepping, So he's stepping aside. Trey Gaudy is going 708 00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:28,000 Speaker 1: to be taking over, which I don't think is has 709 00:41:28,040 --> 00:41:30,600 Speaker 1: any help at all of the Democrats. In fact, I 710 00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,080 Speaker 1: think a lot of your listening would think Trey Gaudy 711 00:41:33,239 --> 00:41:38,440 Speaker 1: is probably a more troublesome for the Democrats just because 712 00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,280 Speaker 1: he's a former prosecutor and it's a a very dogged 713 00:41:42,400 --> 00:41:46,840 Speaker 1: and tenacious fellow, especially in cross examining witnesses, and he 714 00:41:47,320 --> 00:41:50,160 Speaker 1: during the Benghazi hearing. I think the most memorable moments 715 00:41:50,360 --> 00:41:53,960 Speaker 1: from any congressman during the Benghazi hearings are probably Trey Gaudy. 716 00:41:54,880 --> 00:41:59,359 Speaker 1: So that's not some big win for the Democrats. But 717 00:41:59,480 --> 00:42:04,400 Speaker 1: Nunyaz steps aside. Paul Ryan, of course, uh, the Speaker 718 00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:07,400 Speaker 1: of the House, had this to say earlier today about it. 719 00:42:08,840 --> 00:42:12,000 Speaker 1: Devin Newness has earned my trust over many years for 720 00:42:12,040 --> 00:42:15,200 Speaker 1: his integrity and his dedication to the critical work that 721 00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:18,920 Speaker 1: the intelligence community does to keep Americans safe. He continues 722 00:42:18,960 --> 00:42:20,800 Speaker 1: to have that trust, and I know he is eager 723 00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,920 Speaker 1: to demonstrate to the Ethics Committee that he has filed 724 00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,200 Speaker 1: all proper guidelines and laws. In the meantime, it is 725 00:42:27,200 --> 00:42:29,319 Speaker 1: clear that this process would be a distraction to the 726 00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:33,920 Speaker 1: House Intelligence Committees investigation into Russian interference in our election. 727 00:42:34,320 --> 00:42:37,160 Speaker 1: So Chairman Newness has offered to step aside as the 728 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,760 Speaker 1: lead Republican on this particular probe, and I fully support 729 00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,239 Speaker 1: his decision. But I think Chairman Unas wants to make 730 00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,799 Speaker 1: sure that this is not a distraction to a very 731 00:42:45,840 --> 00:42:49,239 Speaker 1: important investigation, So he wants to go clear himself while 732 00:42:49,320 --> 00:42:54,120 Speaker 1: this investigation continues on without any kinds of distractions. Now, 733 00:42:54,160 --> 00:42:56,279 Speaker 1: whether that's true or not, whether the by the way, 734 00:42:56,400 --> 00:42:59,960 Speaker 1: notice how Paul Ryan says Newness. So I've gone from 735 00:43:00,040 --> 00:43:03,520 Speaker 1: noon Yez and I'm told there's no accent over the ease, 736 00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:07,439 Speaker 1: so it's Nounez but he but but Paul Ryan says Newness. 737 00:43:07,480 --> 00:43:12,799 Speaker 1: So yeah, uh tomato, tomato, potato, patato. You know, um 738 00:43:12,840 --> 00:43:16,560 Speaker 1: there we are, Uh, whether this is true or not, 739 00:43:16,719 --> 00:43:21,920 Speaker 1: that that the rationale that the explanation that Nunez offers 740 00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:25,960 Speaker 1: up here, that it's about accusations from left wing groups 741 00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:31,759 Speaker 1: that he disclosed classified which now we're getting into criminal territory. 742 00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:34,400 Speaker 1: We should just be clear on that this is not 743 00:43:34,520 --> 00:43:38,840 Speaker 1: about a improper procedure of speaking out and going to 744 00:43:38,880 --> 00:43:42,200 Speaker 1: see the White House before addressing his own committee, because 745 00:43:42,239 --> 00:43:46,479 Speaker 1: that's that's an oopsie. Sorry, guys, my bad won't happen 746 00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:50,719 Speaker 1: against situation disclosure of classified publicly that that can be 747 00:43:50,800 --> 00:43:54,000 Speaker 1: a that can be a big no no, that's a problem. 748 00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,160 Speaker 1: And I see this now and I think to myself, well, 749 00:43:57,800 --> 00:44:01,400 Speaker 1: isn't it isn't it interesting that news is perhaps in 750 00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,880 Speaker 1: trouble for bringing forward true information after we were initially 751 00:44:05,920 --> 00:44:07,960 Speaker 1: told it was not true. Right, we're initially told that 752 00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 1: he was must be making this up, that he's a 753 00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,400 Speaker 1: White House pawn, that this is all just part of 754 00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:17,920 Speaker 1: Trump's lies. Well, now he might be in trouble according 755 00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:22,000 Speaker 1: to the left, because the information was true. Now they're 756 00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,239 Speaker 1: trying to get him on that. You see, this is 757 00:44:24,280 --> 00:44:27,240 Speaker 1: how they play the game. This is how they play ball. 758 00:44:28,200 --> 00:44:32,319 Speaker 1: There are no holds barred. They will do whatever they 759 00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:36,759 Speaker 1: think is useful for their pursuit of power. And I 760 00:44:36,840 --> 00:44:40,440 Speaker 1: can't help but notice that when you look at the 761 00:44:41,760 --> 00:44:46,800 Speaker 1: uh the recent history of the left's attacks on various 762 00:44:46,840 --> 00:44:51,000 Speaker 1: Trump associated figures. There's a lot of reason for them, 763 00:44:51,200 --> 00:44:55,840 Speaker 1: meaning the media, to feel like they have scored some 764 00:44:56,080 --> 00:44:58,879 Speaker 1: They have scored some hits here. They haven't yet sunk 765 00:44:58,920 --> 00:45:01,759 Speaker 1: Trump's battleship, but they've gotten like the cruiser and some 766 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,040 Speaker 1: of those smaller I forget the game battleship with what 767 00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:06,960 Speaker 1: the little pieces are called, but they've gotten some of 768 00:45:07,000 --> 00:45:08,520 Speaker 1: the The submarine was kind of a little one. I 769 00:45:08,600 --> 00:45:10,400 Speaker 1: was at the submarine was was a sneaky you know, 770 00:45:10,480 --> 00:45:13,800 Speaker 1: but submarine was customal. But they're trying to sink the battleship. 771 00:45:13,800 --> 00:45:17,040 Speaker 1: They haven't gotten to it yet. Ah. Here's what we 772 00:45:17,120 --> 00:45:20,360 Speaker 1: see when we look at the tally at this point 773 00:45:21,160 --> 00:45:23,399 Speaker 1: of what the left has been able to accomplish when 774 00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:30,120 Speaker 1: it comes to undermining Trump affiliates, Trump associates, Trump advisors. 775 00:45:30,840 --> 00:45:34,440 Speaker 1: We had a resignation from Manaphort, the campaign chairman, who's 776 00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 1: still under this dark cloud of suspicion. You had Flynn resign, 777 00:45:40,840 --> 00:45:46,520 Speaker 1: you had Sessions recused himself, and now Nunez has recused 778 00:45:46,560 --> 00:45:52,040 Speaker 1: maybe too strong, but he has stepped aside. It's certainly 779 00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:55,879 Speaker 1: a temporary recusal. Who wants to who wants to take 780 00:45:55,880 --> 00:45:58,399 Speaker 1: a guess at who oh, and Bannon, of course has 781 00:45:58,400 --> 00:46:00,920 Speaker 1: been moved from the NSC. That's now. I believe that 782 00:46:01,000 --> 00:46:04,800 Speaker 1: was most likely more internal pressure than it was external 783 00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,200 Speaker 1: from the media. But certainly the media running countless news 784 00:46:07,239 --> 00:46:11,080 Speaker 1: stories about how Steve Bannon was running a white nationalist 785 00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:14,840 Speaker 1: website and a right wing news organization that was promoting 786 00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,799 Speaker 1: ideas of white supremacy. All that, the horrible nasty stuff 787 00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,920 Speaker 1: they were saying certainly didn't help Bannon's case at the NSC. 788 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:25,120 Speaker 1: And I know that the stories right now about Bannon 789 00:46:25,280 --> 00:46:29,000 Speaker 1: and Jared Kushner, the son in law of the President 790 00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:31,200 Speaker 1: of the United States, the media is loving that some 791 00:46:31,400 --> 00:46:34,319 Speaker 1: very nasty reports about the back and forth between those two. 792 00:46:34,640 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: I have no idea if they're accurate or not. And 793 00:46:37,760 --> 00:46:40,480 Speaker 1: I've never met Bannon. I've met Kushner a couple of times, 794 00:46:40,640 --> 00:46:44,080 Speaker 1: never met Bannon Before. Kushner and I we just talked 795 00:46:44,120 --> 00:46:47,400 Speaker 1: a bit about about media world when he was the 796 00:46:47,440 --> 00:46:49,839 Speaker 1: owner of the New York Observer. Seemed like a fine 797 00:46:49,960 --> 00:46:54,279 Speaker 1: enough fellow. UM didn't really have much much of a 798 00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,200 Speaker 1: in depth conversation, so I could get a sense of 799 00:46:58,120 --> 00:46:59,959 Speaker 1: who he was as a guy. I bet I doubt 800 00:47:00,000 --> 00:47:01,960 Speaker 1: he'd even really remember much of our conversation or even 801 00:47:01,960 --> 00:47:04,480 Speaker 1: meeting me. But nonetheless, i'd like, I'd like to think 802 00:47:04,520 --> 00:47:09,200 Speaker 1: I rememorable, but probably this guy probably not. Uh. The 803 00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,879 Speaker 1: reality here is the Democrats are getting their way with 804 00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:16,040 Speaker 1: a lot of these resignation. This is why resignations, recusals, 805 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:20,600 Speaker 1: stepping aside, This is why I really didn't want Nunez 806 00:47:21,280 --> 00:47:25,160 Speaker 1: our newness, pardon me, to give into this pressure. It 807 00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:27,640 Speaker 1: just encourages more of this. I think we'll see another 808 00:47:28,200 --> 00:47:34,240 Speaker 1: senior administration figure in the days ahead come under pressure. 809 00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:35,920 Speaker 1: They're not gonna be able to push Trey Gaudy out 810 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:37,160 Speaker 1: of the way. I think they know that, so they're 811 00:47:37,160 --> 00:47:39,839 Speaker 1: gonna have to They're gonna have to cool cool, cool 812 00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,440 Speaker 1: itt on that. They're gonna have to just mellow out 813 00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:45,880 Speaker 1: a bit on the Republican on the House Intelligence Committee 814 00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,480 Speaker 1: who's running that investigation in Russia. That's not gonna work 815 00:47:49,520 --> 00:47:52,600 Speaker 1: for them, but there will be someone else you can 816 00:47:52,600 --> 00:47:57,000 Speaker 1: already see. Of course, they're pushing pushing back on Ivanka's 817 00:47:57,120 --> 00:48:04,360 Speaker 1: role as an official advisor to her father, which I'm 818 00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:07,360 Speaker 1: I will say this, I am generally not in favor 819 00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:13,920 Speaker 1: of uh. Nepotism and politics. Um, and that's I can't 820 00:48:13,920 --> 00:48:18,560 Speaker 1: be critical. I can't be honestly critical of Chelsea Clinton, 821 00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:22,520 Speaker 1: for example, on that score without also saying that there 822 00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:26,640 Speaker 1: there needs to be some a moment of pause. I think, 823 00:48:26,680 --> 00:48:30,359 Speaker 1: perhaps a little reflection on whether or not we would 824 00:48:30,360 --> 00:48:32,200 Speaker 1: all be okay with as I point out to you before, 825 00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:36,239 Speaker 1: let's say that, uh, President Obama's two daughters instead of 826 00:48:36,239 --> 00:48:38,239 Speaker 1: being you know, teenagers who were in school, and we're 827 00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,719 Speaker 1: for anybody with any sense of decency, while outside the 828 00:48:41,719 --> 00:48:43,920 Speaker 1: bounds of any criticism or or complaint, they were just 829 00:48:43,960 --> 00:48:46,080 Speaker 1: young girls going to school. But let's say they were 830 00:48:46,120 --> 00:48:49,719 Speaker 1: in their twenties or thirties and Barack Obama gave them 831 00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:52,960 Speaker 1: as president really senior roles in his administration. I do 832 00:48:53,080 --> 00:48:54,879 Speaker 1: think that any of us, being honest about it, would 833 00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:59,640 Speaker 1: say that that would be problematic for us, that we 834 00:48:59,640 --> 00:49:02,160 Speaker 1: would and I don't think that would be wrong. So 835 00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:05,239 Speaker 1: we need to apply some level of consistency. Now, there's 836 00:49:05,239 --> 00:49:08,200 Speaker 1: a difference between problematic and oh my gosh, Trump is hitler, right, 837 00:49:08,200 --> 00:49:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm not saying that, but I I try to keep 838 00:49:11,840 --> 00:49:15,279 Speaker 1: it real. And while I know right now in the 839 00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,719 Speaker 1: GOLP it's Trump's GOP and we're all living in it. 840 00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,719 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean that we should all just agree with 841 00:49:19,800 --> 00:49:22,960 Speaker 1: everything not our heads and say everything Trump does is great. Maga, maga. 842 00:49:23,040 --> 00:49:25,239 Speaker 1: I mean that's not that's not gonna work for me 843 00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:28,080 Speaker 1: at least some other people. Great, good for them, not 844 00:49:28,080 --> 00:49:32,320 Speaker 1: gonna work for me here on the radio. So, uh, 845 00:49:32,680 --> 00:49:35,080 Speaker 1: you look though, at what the strategy seems to be 846 00:49:35,120 --> 00:49:38,320 Speaker 1: for the Democrats, and it is just isolate and destroy, 847 00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:41,080 Speaker 1: which is a classic A Lynskey tactic. I should note 848 00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:48,240 Speaker 1: Saul Lynskey, the uh infamous community organizer from Chicago. Uh. Perhaps, 849 00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,960 Speaker 1: in many ways you must give my my former, my 850 00:49:52,040 --> 00:49:56,759 Speaker 1: former boss Glennbeck, credit for making a Lynsky much more 851 00:49:56,800 --> 00:50:01,160 Speaker 1: of a household name A Lynsky who received letters from 852 00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,719 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton because she looked up to him so much. 853 00:50:05,200 --> 00:50:08,279 Speaker 1: Think about that for a moment that came out just 854 00:50:08,320 --> 00:50:11,440 Speaker 1: a couple of years ago. Alinsky, who in many ways 855 00:50:11,600 --> 00:50:14,920 Speaker 1: in terms of strategy and tactics, I think was an 856 00:50:14,960 --> 00:50:19,400 Speaker 1: inspiration for a lot of Obama's approach to community organizing 857 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:24,799 Speaker 1: and to politics beyond that always always amazed me. And 858 00:50:25,040 --> 00:50:26,440 Speaker 1: I know that this this is a little bit of 859 00:50:26,480 --> 00:50:29,080 Speaker 1: tangent everyone, but that we were led to believe that 860 00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:33,719 Speaker 1: that Barack Obama was so ethical and so gracious as 861 00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:37,200 Speaker 1: a politician all the time. And I still have this 862 00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:42,960 Speaker 1: amazing moment with people where and I mean people in 863 00:50:43,000 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: the green rooms of of news organizations, where I've brought 864 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:49,160 Speaker 1: this up a couple of times the last you know, 865 00:50:49,200 --> 00:50:51,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, four or five years, and people that 866 00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:54,920 Speaker 1: are political reporters don't even believe me when I tell 867 00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:59,880 Speaker 1: them that Barack Obama had or affiliates of Barack Obama 868 00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,440 Speaker 1: had the divorce records went to a judge to have 869 00:51:02,520 --> 00:51:06,319 Speaker 1: the sealed divorce records of his opponent unsealed for a 870 00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,400 Speaker 1: political election, not once, but twice. That was that was 871 00:51:09,440 --> 00:51:14,719 Speaker 1: a Barack Obama special to go and get your opponents 872 00:51:15,680 --> 00:51:19,680 Speaker 1: divorce records unsealed to embarrass him sealed divorce records. Did 873 00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,480 Speaker 1: it twice, not even just once, two times. I think 874 00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:23,480 Speaker 1: David Axel rob went to the Chicago Tribue or and 875 00:51:23,480 --> 00:51:25,719 Speaker 1: when he was at the Chicago Tribune was part of 876 00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:28,360 Speaker 1: one of those efforts. So I just like everyone to 877 00:51:28,400 --> 00:51:30,440 Speaker 1: remember that, you know, I also like to them to 878 00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:34,080 Speaker 1: remember that you bring up that Barack Obama's college transcript 879 00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,600 Speaker 1: not because he was a foreign student. In my opinion, 880 00:51:36,640 --> 00:51:38,200 Speaker 1: that's not what it had anything to do with at all. 881 00:51:38,840 --> 00:51:42,640 Speaker 1: I don't believe that. But Barack Obama's college transcript never released. 882 00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:46,320 Speaker 1: Bushes were leaked, by the way George W. Bushes were leaked, 883 00:51:46,800 --> 00:51:51,120 Speaker 1: and then we've seen many other presidents college transcripts that were, um, 884 00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:53,640 Speaker 1: they signed the paperwork, you need to get it out there. 885 00:51:54,120 --> 00:51:56,719 Speaker 1: But Obama's was never okay. And we're not shunning talking 886 00:51:56,680 --> 00:51:58,960 Speaker 1: about bo Let's go back to I just there's some 887 00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:00,400 Speaker 1: things that I like to go on the record instead 888 00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,120 Speaker 1: everybody make sure on the same page about um. But 889 00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:04,680 Speaker 1: on the onder, the new on the new Nez and 890 00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,440 Speaker 1: the stepping aside, they're trying to get after him on 891 00:52:07,560 --> 00:52:11,040 Speaker 1: classified information. Isn't it fascinating that already the story is 892 00:52:11,080 --> 00:52:13,080 Speaker 1: that the information may have been true that he said. 893 00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:14,799 Speaker 1: At first it was that he was a liar. Now 894 00:52:14,800 --> 00:52:16,720 Speaker 1: it's oh, it might be true, but he wasn't allowed 895 00:52:16,719 --> 00:52:18,760 Speaker 1: to tell us that it was true. I think Trump 896 00:52:18,800 --> 00:52:21,640 Speaker 1: needs to declassify a lot of this stuff and needs 897 00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:25,279 Speaker 1: to do it fast. Um. I think that would go 898 00:52:25,360 --> 00:52:29,279 Speaker 1: a long way to ending this acrimonious debate and so 899 00:52:29,360 --> 00:52:31,719 Speaker 1: much wasted time. And effort. I really do. I want 900 00:52:31,760 --> 00:52:33,520 Speaker 1: to talk to you about healthcare, and I will, but 901 00:52:33,880 --> 00:52:35,720 Speaker 1: I would like the government to be moving on healthcare 902 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:37,600 Speaker 1: so we can talk about what's happening instead of what 903 00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,640 Speaker 1: we would like to happen in the future. I also 904 00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,480 Speaker 1: like tax reform to get talked about it there. As 905 00:52:41,520 --> 00:52:43,920 Speaker 1: I've been saying to you, these are policy issues that 906 00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:45,719 Speaker 1: really matter to all of us. I mean, they matter 907 00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:49,040 Speaker 1: day to day. Instead, we've got reporters pretending that they 908 00:52:49,040 --> 00:52:51,960 Speaker 1: don't believe that Trump colluded with Russia in some vast 909 00:52:52,120 --> 00:52:56,920 Speaker 1: conspiracy to hack the election, when they really do believe that. 910 00:52:57,040 --> 00:52:59,680 Speaker 1: For the most part, it's such a waste of everybody's time. 911 00:52:59,680 --> 00:53:02,200 Speaker 1: I find the whole thing very frustrating. But the Democrats 912 00:53:02,280 --> 00:53:07,560 Speaker 1: are racking up points here. They really are Manta Fort Flynn, Sessions, 913 00:53:07,640 --> 00:53:11,680 Speaker 1: newness and who's going to be next? Who is going 914 00:53:11,760 --> 00:53:16,439 Speaker 1: to be next? They are taking out the top advisors 915 00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,600 Speaker 1: to Donald Trump and those who are considered to be 916 00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:24,799 Speaker 1: important friends to the Trump administration. And they're very good 917 00:53:24,840 --> 00:53:27,839 Speaker 1: at this. And once again, Republicans, we like to be 918 00:53:28,840 --> 00:53:30,800 Speaker 1: we get a little bit of a boy scout syndrome 919 00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:33,400 Speaker 1: here we go, Oh well, you know, we we can't. 920 00:53:33,719 --> 00:53:35,840 Speaker 1: Nooness should have gone to the committee first. Okay, he 921 00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:37,279 Speaker 1: should have gone at the committee. He should have just 922 00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,200 Speaker 1: been able to say sorry and move on from there. Instead, 923 00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:43,839 Speaker 1: now you've got because there was that moment of I 924 00:53:43,920 --> 00:53:47,839 Speaker 1: think a break even among Republicans on what Newnists did. 925 00:53:48,800 --> 00:53:51,359 Speaker 1: They had an opening, and now they've pushed it, and 926 00:53:51,400 --> 00:53:54,439 Speaker 1: now he's stepping aside because he says for class of reasons. 927 00:53:55,120 --> 00:53:57,960 Speaker 1: I don't know why he's stepping aside. Really, I wish 928 00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,160 Speaker 1: he weren't stepping aside um. I don't if it's because 929 00:54:01,200 --> 00:54:05,160 Speaker 1: he really has to fight the Ethics Committee now on 930 00:54:05,440 --> 00:54:10,799 Speaker 1: classified information disclosure. Okay, but I wish you had stayed 931 00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:15,080 Speaker 1: in the fight because it just encourages This is just feeding. 932 00:54:15,120 --> 00:54:17,600 Speaker 1: This is just feeding the Democrats are feeding the alligat 933 00:54:17,680 --> 00:54:20,160 Speaker 1: or we're feeding the alligators who are the Democrats and 934 00:54:20,200 --> 00:54:21,879 Speaker 1: hoping that if we feed them enough, they'll just go away. 935 00:54:21,920 --> 00:54:24,560 Speaker 1: And that's not gonna happen. They just get bigger and 936 00:54:24,640 --> 00:54:31,279 Speaker 1: hungrier and more of them show up. Welcome back, team, 937 00:54:31,320 --> 00:54:33,440 Speaker 1: We've got some calls up on the board. Melissa in 938 00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:38,799 Speaker 1: West Virginia, Welcome to the Freedom Hunt. How are you today? Good? 939 00:54:38,840 --> 00:54:43,799 Speaker 1: Thank you, appreciate the listen on Philabester earlier. You like 940 00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:45,719 Speaker 1: that we have a little history deep dive. I want 941 00:54:45,719 --> 00:54:47,279 Speaker 1: to do more of those. I hope if people like 942 00:54:47,320 --> 00:54:49,239 Speaker 1: it let me know on Facebook or on Twitter so 943 00:54:49,280 --> 00:54:50,960 Speaker 1: that I keep doing them because there's some research that goes. 944 00:54:50,960 --> 00:54:53,719 Speaker 1: And I'm glad you liked it. I've been putting me 945 00:54:53,719 --> 00:54:56,400 Speaker 1: out there on Twitter as much as a can anyway. 946 00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:02,440 Speaker 1: Uh my, oh ific, Absolutely horrific that babies and children 947 00:55:02,760 --> 00:55:06,560 Speaker 1: all died. It's something a little fishy about a tweet 948 00:55:06,640 --> 00:55:09,040 Speaker 1: that went out twenty four hours just making the attack. 949 00:55:09,840 --> 00:55:13,439 Speaker 1: But the worst thing is why why should we ask 950 00:55:13,480 --> 00:55:16,960 Speaker 1: our mothers to send their sons, ask our children to 951 00:55:17,040 --> 00:55:22,279 Speaker 1: lose their fathers for country that views us as occupiers. Yeah. 952 00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:26,440 Speaker 1: I I couldn't give the order, and and I I 953 00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:28,880 Speaker 1: served in Iraq, and I served in Afghanistan as a 954 00:55:28,880 --> 00:55:33,319 Speaker 1: as a civilian intelligence officer. Um. But if if I 955 00:55:33,360 --> 00:55:35,719 Speaker 1: were in the military chain of commander, forget that for 956 00:55:35,760 --> 00:55:37,680 Speaker 1: a second, if I were the commander in chief, we're 957 00:55:37,680 --> 00:55:40,440 Speaker 1: going to really play this analogy out. I wouldn't give 958 00:55:40,480 --> 00:55:43,480 Speaker 1: the order to have US troops on the ground, uh, 959 00:55:43,840 --> 00:55:46,680 Speaker 1: Because I remember, if ASSAD goes the only way to 960 00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:50,239 Speaker 1: prevent all out, an all out war of extermination in 961 00:55:50,320 --> 00:55:52,960 Speaker 1: Syria would be our presence. By the way, that's what 962 00:55:53,080 --> 00:55:58,959 Speaker 1: prevented a much worse civil war in Iraq after after 963 00:55:59,000 --> 00:56:01,360 Speaker 1: the occupation. This is a complicated issue and story, but 964 00:56:01,640 --> 00:56:03,960 Speaker 1: without the presence of a hundred fifty thousand US troops 965 00:56:04,080 --> 00:56:08,160 Speaker 1: hundred free thousand plus to hold that together, it would 966 00:56:08,160 --> 00:56:11,920 Speaker 1: have been the first stage of a grand Sunni Shia 967 00:56:12,000 --> 00:56:14,120 Speaker 1: civil war in Iraq, and that would have spread, I 968 00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:17,400 Speaker 1: think beyond the region. So I wouldn't. I wouldn't put 969 00:56:17,400 --> 00:56:20,400 Speaker 1: our our men and women in uniform in that position 970 00:56:20,480 --> 00:56:22,920 Speaker 1: right now in Syria. I just wouldn't do it. And 971 00:56:23,160 --> 00:56:25,239 Speaker 1: I also and this isn't to be in any way 972 00:56:25,360 --> 00:56:28,920 Speaker 1: callous or um. You know, I'm not trying to in 973 00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,839 Speaker 1: any way to downplay the horrific suffering of the and listen, 974 00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:35,200 Speaker 1: thank you for calling in the suffering of the Syrian people. Uh. 975 00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:37,919 Speaker 1: In fact, I am taking to the other direction. They've 976 00:56:37,920 --> 00:56:40,759 Speaker 1: been suffering horribly for years. Half a million of them 977 00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:45,120 Speaker 1: have been have been killed, and we have dozens killed 978 00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,680 Speaker 1: in a terrible chemical weapons attack at Sarah and Gas 979 00:56:47,719 --> 00:56:51,640 Speaker 1: is what the report is on it. Um, And now 980 00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:53,360 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, we're told, well, not now, we 981 00:56:53,440 --> 00:56:57,920 Speaker 1: must take action. A barrel bomb that lands in the 982 00:56:57,960 --> 00:57:00,799 Speaker 1: middle of a crowded apartment building and kill thirty or 983 00:57:00,800 --> 00:57:04,759 Speaker 1: forty people is just as horrific to me as as 984 00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,799 Speaker 1: as the other things that we're talking about here. These 985 00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,040 Speaker 1: are people being murdered. Obama administration to do anything about it, 986 00:57:11,160 --> 00:57:13,520 Speaker 1: and or at least wouldn't do very much at all 987 00:57:13,560 --> 00:57:17,080 Speaker 1: about it. And now here we are, and there's supposed 988 00:57:17,120 --> 00:57:19,680 Speaker 1: to be a change in policy, but there isn't really 989 00:57:19,680 --> 00:57:22,320 Speaker 1: a change in the reality on the ground. So we 990 00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:24,720 Speaker 1: have to make sure that we're thinking about military strategy. 991 00:57:24,760 --> 00:57:28,200 Speaker 1: We separate out an emotional response from a sound military 992 00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:32,560 Speaker 1: and tactical one. Will be at that. He's an x 993 00:57:32,600 --> 00:57:37,200 Speaker 1: CIA officer who knows how to outsmart the enemies of liberty. 994 00:57:37,680 --> 00:57:42,720 Speaker 1: What I do have very particular set of skills. Buck 995 00:57:42,760 --> 00:57:47,160 Speaker 1: Sexton with America Now, Team. Your mission, should you choose 996 00:57:47,200 --> 00:57:51,479 Speaker 1: to accept it, called the Freedom Hunt Operations Center nine 997 00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:57,880 Speaker 1: hundred Buck make contact unless you're under hostile surveillance D 998 00:57:58,320 --> 00:58:02,520 Speaker 1: to eight to five. Alright, Team, We're joined by David French. 999 00:58:02,560 --> 00:58:05,520 Speaker 1: He's a staff writer for National Review, a senior fellow 1000 00:58:05,560 --> 00:58:08,920 Speaker 1: at the National Review Institute, an attorney, and a veteran 1001 00:58:09,000 --> 00:58:13,760 Speaker 1: of Operation Iraqi Freedom. David, great to have you. Thanks 1002 00:58:13,760 --> 00:58:15,240 Speaker 1: so much for having me. I appreciate it. We got 1003 00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:17,640 Speaker 1: a lot to talk about. Let's start with Syria. I'm 1004 00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,400 Speaker 1: hearing a lot of we need to do something, we 1005 00:58:20,440 --> 00:58:23,720 Speaker 1: need to do something, And I know no one really 1006 00:58:23,720 --> 00:58:26,520 Speaker 1: wants to be the person given what we've seen here 1007 00:58:26,720 --> 00:58:30,880 Speaker 1: and the visceral, gut emotional reaction to it, to the 1008 00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:33,520 Speaker 1: atrocity committed by the Assad regime. But no one wants 1009 00:58:33,520 --> 00:58:35,880 Speaker 1: to be the person who says it's a little more 1010 00:58:35,880 --> 00:58:38,360 Speaker 1: complicated than we just need to do something. Uh. And 1011 00:58:38,520 --> 00:58:41,400 Speaker 1: I see from National Review you also take that approach. 1012 00:58:41,440 --> 00:58:44,360 Speaker 1: That's what I was saying yesterday. This is not just 1013 00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,040 Speaker 1: fire couple of missiles or fly some planes in the 1014 00:58:47,080 --> 00:58:49,760 Speaker 1: sky and we've got no problems in Syria. It is 1015 00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:52,960 Speaker 1: a mess. And that's a too simplistic, but that's what's 1016 00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:57,360 Speaker 1: going on. How much time we have three hours, I mean, 1017 00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,920 Speaker 1: you know, look, let's let's just kind of break it down. UM, 1018 00:59:00,960 --> 00:59:03,280 Speaker 1: this is not like a decision of whether or not 1019 00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,760 Speaker 1: to drop some bombs on a al Qaeda compound in Yemen. 1020 00:59:07,200 --> 00:59:11,600 Speaker 1: Or an Afghanistan. This is about attacking a nation that 1021 00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,400 Speaker 1: has Russian troops on the ground in that country, Russian 1022 00:59:15,440 --> 00:59:19,760 Speaker 1: air defense systems, Russian fighters, and Russia has declared that 1023 00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:21,880 Speaker 1: the preservation of that regime is part of its core 1024 00:59:22,000 --> 00:59:25,280 Speaker 1: national interests, or it wouldn't be. They're fighting on its behalf. 1025 00:59:26,000 --> 00:59:28,480 Speaker 1: So while it may very well be the case that 1026 00:59:28,680 --> 00:59:32,400 Speaker 1: striking in Syria we could do that and maybe do 1027 00:59:32,480 --> 00:59:36,360 Speaker 1: so effectively without Russian Russian UH interference, that may be 1028 00:59:36,480 --> 00:59:39,320 Speaker 1: the case, but it may not be the case. And 1029 00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:41,920 Speaker 1: if it's not the case, we need to think really 1030 00:59:41,960 --> 00:59:45,160 Speaker 1: long and hard about whether or not this is the 1031 00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,680 Speaker 1: right time to get into a great power confrontation. And 1032 00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,920 Speaker 1: never mind the fact that even if we do degrade 1033 00:59:51,920 --> 00:59:54,160 Speaker 1: the Assad regime and strike it hard enough to do 1034 00:59:54,200 --> 00:59:58,520 Speaker 1: real harm to it, who benefits, not necessarily our allies. 1035 00:59:58,600 --> 01:00:02,240 Speaker 1: I can tell you that. So we've inherited. There's this 1036 01:00:02,480 --> 01:00:05,400 Speaker 1: a colossal mess. It's probably the worst mess in the 1037 01:00:05,440 --> 01:00:09,760 Speaker 1: world right now. And because of years of weakness, years 1038 01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:13,720 Speaker 1: of bad decisions, there's no good options left. And I 1039 01:00:14,120 --> 01:00:17,200 Speaker 1: think it's uh. The administration is putting itself in a 1040 01:00:17,240 --> 01:00:21,000 Speaker 1: position where they're creating an expectation right now that there 1041 01:00:21,000 --> 01:00:25,440 Speaker 1: will be a robust response. Maybe we will fire some 1042 01:00:25,800 --> 01:00:28,920 Speaker 1: uh some missiles off of some ships in the Mediterranean, 1043 01:00:29,480 --> 01:00:33,640 Speaker 1: or perhaps some air strikes. But the moment you start 1044 01:00:33,680 --> 01:00:36,200 Speaker 1: to get to the okay, what are the targets, because 1045 01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:39,520 Speaker 1: you know, we've been doing things in Syria, and we've 1046 01:00:39,520 --> 01:00:41,439 Speaker 1: been doing it for a while now, and it's been 1047 01:00:42,440 --> 01:00:45,000 Speaker 1: somewhat minimal. There's been an air campaign other than that, 1048 01:00:45,040 --> 01:00:49,160 Speaker 1: maybe some U. S. Special forces working alongside some Allied 1049 01:00:49,560 --> 01:00:53,160 Speaker 1: ground forces. But the moment you go after that core 1050 01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:56,960 Speaker 1: Syrian government infrastructure, the moment that you decide that you're 1051 01:00:56,960 --> 01:01:01,040 Speaker 1: going to attack Russia's allies, Murphy's comes into effect in 1052 01:01:01,040 --> 01:01:03,480 Speaker 1: a really big way. And you know, we we may 1053 01:01:03,520 --> 01:01:06,960 Speaker 1: think we're blowing up a radar installation, but if for 1054 01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:09,720 Speaker 1: some reason there are a lot of guys name you know, 1055 01:01:10,160 --> 01:01:13,360 Speaker 1: Urie and Old Egg we're running that installation and you've 1056 01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,000 Speaker 1: got a bunch of dead Russians, now we've got a 1057 01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:18,880 Speaker 1: really big problem. Yeah. Yeah, that's that's the thing that 1058 01:01:19,040 --> 01:01:21,919 Speaker 1: is so concerning to me. Uh And and so that's 1059 01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:25,280 Speaker 1: why we seem to like, oh from overnight, go from well, 1060 01:01:25,320 --> 01:01:27,120 Speaker 1: Assad is a bad guy, but we don't have any 1061 01:01:27,160 --> 01:01:30,880 Speaker 1: really good option to one news report about an atrocity 1062 01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:34,080 Speaker 1: when the Assad regime has been a rolling war crime 1063 01:01:34,160 --> 01:01:37,240 Speaker 1: for six years now. Uh, And we have one more 1064 01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:40,040 Speaker 1: report about one more war crime that's no worse than 1065 01:01:40,080 --> 01:01:43,280 Speaker 1: many other war crimes that have occurred, and suddenly all 1066 01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,360 Speaker 1: is Suddenly it looked like we're right off to the races, 1067 01:01:47,360 --> 01:01:50,880 Speaker 1: not just with discussion of potential military action, but you're 1068 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:54,640 Speaker 1: seeing discussions of regime change. Yeah, it seems impulsive to me, David. 1069 01:01:54,720 --> 01:01:56,200 Speaker 1: This is what I was saying yesterday in the air 1070 01:01:56,280 --> 01:01:58,400 Speaker 1: and and as you point out, it has been that's 1071 01:01:58,400 --> 01:02:00,800 Speaker 1: a good way to describe it, a rolling series of 1072 01:02:00,880 --> 01:02:05,360 Speaker 1: war crimes, a half million dead, including usage of chemical weapons. Everybody, 1073 01:02:05,400 --> 01:02:08,439 Speaker 1: this has happened before. This isn't even the first time there. 1074 01:02:09,240 --> 01:02:13,160 Speaker 1: The Gouda chemical weapons massacre is well documented. You n 1075 01:02:13,240 --> 01:02:16,480 Speaker 1: did an investigation. Yes, Sarangas was used. Yes civilians were killed, men, 1076 01:02:16,560 --> 01:02:18,640 Speaker 1: women and children. And there have been a number of 1077 01:02:18,680 --> 01:02:22,400 Speaker 1: other instances at least reported as well. Sometimes I think 1078 01:02:22,440 --> 01:02:24,920 Speaker 1: it might have been chlorine gas. But you know, that's 1079 01:02:24,920 --> 01:02:27,480 Speaker 1: a very nasty, terrible way to die too. You know, 1080 01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:30,600 Speaker 1: we're we're getting to get I think a an emotional 1081 01:02:30,680 --> 01:02:34,200 Speaker 1: reaction in Syria to what should be more of a 1082 01:02:34,240 --> 01:02:38,840 Speaker 1: strategic discussion, right. And the other thing is we people 1083 01:02:38,840 --> 01:02:42,320 Speaker 1: are leaving out the fact that we actually have more 1084 01:02:42,400 --> 01:02:45,560 Speaker 1: options other than direct assaults on the Assad regime. You know, 1085 01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,320 Speaker 1: we're actually making progress in the north of the country. 1086 01:02:49,040 --> 01:02:52,800 Speaker 1: We're about to well it's not imminent, but we're entering 1087 01:02:52,840 --> 01:02:56,440 Speaker 1: the final phase of the attack and the offensive against Rocca. 1088 01:02:56,880 --> 01:02:59,000 Speaker 1: I would expect Rocket to fall at some point in 1089 01:02:59,040 --> 01:03:02,640 Speaker 1: the next year. We would have our allies controlling a big, 1090 01:03:02,720 --> 01:03:06,400 Speaker 1: chunky terry territory northern Syria. We still have it, which 1091 01:03:06,440 --> 01:03:09,040 Speaker 1: would confine Asade to the western part of the nation. 1092 01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:13,480 Speaker 1: We still have the ability to use economic weapons against Russia, 1093 01:03:13,600 --> 01:03:17,680 Speaker 1: Iran and Syria. Specifically, we can inflict real pain on 1094 01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:21,040 Speaker 1: both Russia and Iran for their support of the Syrian regime. 1095 01:03:21,080 --> 01:03:25,080 Speaker 1: We have options that do not include potentially getting in 1096 01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:28,000 Speaker 1: a skirmish with Russian forces. And I'll tell you this, 1097 01:03:28,360 --> 01:03:33,400 Speaker 1: Americans don't know anymore other than our few god bless them, 1098 01:03:33,400 --> 01:03:36,680 Speaker 1: World War two vets out there what great power conflict 1099 01:03:36,760 --> 01:03:39,520 Speaker 1: is like. Great power conflict isn't like what we've been 1100 01:03:39,520 --> 01:03:42,400 Speaker 1: doing the last fifteen or sixteen years. In a great 1101 01:03:42,400 --> 01:03:46,120 Speaker 1: power conflict, one missile can sneak through naval defenses and 1102 01:03:46,200 --> 01:03:49,880 Speaker 1: in one second wipe out as a many Americans as 1103 01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:52,440 Speaker 1: we've lost in the last four years combined in the 1104 01:03:52,440 --> 01:03:55,360 Speaker 1: War on Terror. That's the stakes when you're talking great 1105 01:03:55,360 --> 01:03:58,640 Speaker 1: power conflict, and that's just one skirmish. So we need 1106 01:03:58,680 --> 01:04:01,720 Speaker 1: to take real air. That doesn't mean that we're weak. 1107 01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,600 Speaker 1: It doesn't mean we let the enemy get away with 1108 01:04:03,680 --> 01:04:05,919 Speaker 1: whatever it wants to do. But it means that we're 1109 01:04:05,960 --> 01:04:09,120 Speaker 1: wise and we're prudent and we're not rushing into anything. 1110 01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,760 Speaker 1: David also want to ask you about your sense of 1111 01:04:12,800 --> 01:04:15,880 Speaker 1: both the Newness situation, which I know you've written on 1112 01:04:16,080 --> 01:04:20,240 Speaker 1: and Susan Rice. Let's start with Newness. You were one 1113 01:04:20,240 --> 01:04:22,880 Speaker 1: of the conservatives whom I whom I read in respect 1114 01:04:22,880 --> 01:04:26,360 Speaker 1: who early on was saying this guy has to step aside. 1115 01:04:26,600 --> 01:04:29,640 Speaker 1: Uh now he or step down, you know, aside versus down. 1116 01:04:29,720 --> 01:04:32,440 Speaker 1: It's kind of an interesting semantic distinction, right because I 1117 01:04:32,640 --> 01:04:34,880 Speaker 1: assume that stepping aside means he may step back in. 1118 01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,160 Speaker 1: We're stepping down. I don't think you're gonna step back up, 1119 01:04:37,400 --> 01:04:40,680 Speaker 1: but anyway, but he he's removed himself temporarily. You thought 1120 01:04:40,760 --> 01:04:43,800 Speaker 1: he should remove himself at least in some capacity. What 1121 01:04:43,840 --> 01:04:46,240 Speaker 1: do you think of the um? Uh? What do you 1122 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:50,160 Speaker 1: think of his reasoning for this? Is he stepping aside 1123 01:04:50,200 --> 01:04:51,960 Speaker 1: really because of what you initially thought, which is that 1124 01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:54,720 Speaker 1: he's just tainted as somebody who's too political in what 1125 01:04:54,880 --> 01:04:58,520 Speaker 1: is a political process? Or is it this allegation of 1126 01:04:58,560 --> 01:05:02,600 Speaker 1: leaking classified what do you what? What's really going on? Uh? 1127 01:05:02,680 --> 01:05:05,280 Speaker 1: You know that I wish I knew what was really 1128 01:05:05,320 --> 01:05:07,320 Speaker 1: going on, But I don't put a lot of store 1129 01:05:07,400 --> 01:05:10,160 Speaker 1: in the notion that he's stepping aside because a few 1130 01:05:10,200 --> 01:05:13,920 Speaker 1: liberal interest groups of file trivolous complaints. Look, liberal interest 1131 01:05:13,960 --> 01:05:17,000 Speaker 1: groups go after congressmen all the time. I mean, that's 1132 01:05:17,040 --> 01:05:19,160 Speaker 1: that's not what they do, isn't it. This is like 1133 01:05:19,200 --> 01:05:22,160 Speaker 1: in their charter. Yeah, yeah, yeah, it's not unusual. It's 1134 01:05:22,200 --> 01:05:25,520 Speaker 1: just Thursday, you know. So for him to step aside, 1135 01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:28,760 Speaker 1: I say, in the response to those complaints, and that 1136 01:05:28,800 --> 01:05:31,640 Speaker 1: doesn't strike me as credible. I think what's actually happened 1137 01:05:32,160 --> 01:05:34,880 Speaker 1: is he's made a wise choice here. And I don't 1138 01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:36,720 Speaker 1: know if somebody has spoken to him. I don't know 1139 01:05:36,720 --> 01:05:39,400 Speaker 1: if the speaker Ryan has spoken to him, But he 1140 01:05:39,520 --> 01:05:43,160 Speaker 1: got out over his skis and he did things that 1141 01:05:43,200 --> 01:05:46,560 Speaker 1: were not his role as the chairman of the Intelligence 1142 01:05:46,560 --> 01:05:50,080 Speaker 1: Committee investigating one of the most important controversies in American 1143 01:05:50,120 --> 01:05:52,840 Speaker 1: politics today. And yes, I know there are a lot 1144 01:05:52,880 --> 01:05:55,960 Speaker 1: of Conservatives who say, look, he he brought some stuff 1145 01:05:55,960 --> 01:05:57,680 Speaker 1: to the four that needed to be brought to the four. 1146 01:05:58,600 --> 01:06:01,240 Speaker 1: We did not need the chairman and House Intelligence Committee 1147 01:06:01,280 --> 01:06:03,520 Speaker 1: to do that, and we certainly didn't need him to 1148 01:06:03,560 --> 01:06:06,360 Speaker 1: do that while concealing that intelligence from other members of 1149 01:06:06,440 --> 01:06:08,880 Speaker 1: the committee and doing so in a way with it's 1150 01:06:08,920 --> 01:06:11,800 Speaker 1: an awful lot like he misled people. So that's not 1151 01:06:11,880 --> 01:06:14,040 Speaker 1: his role. He got out over his skis, And I 1152 01:06:14,080 --> 01:06:16,640 Speaker 1: think he made a really good choice here, because it's 1153 01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:20,040 Speaker 1: more important than any given news cycle is whether or 1154 01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:22,720 Speaker 1: not the public can have confidence in these institutions and 1155 01:06:22,760 --> 01:06:26,160 Speaker 1: Congress to do their job professionally. Do you have concerns, though, 1156 01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:29,880 Speaker 1: that this is yet another uh in a string of 1157 01:06:30,280 --> 01:06:34,360 Speaker 1: moments where pressure from Democrats, the media, liberal groups, and yes, 1158 01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:39,040 Speaker 1: even some Republicans has brought down, in one way or another, 1159 01:06:39,640 --> 01:06:43,280 Speaker 1: yet another member of the Trump orbit in some capacity. 1160 01:06:43,480 --> 01:06:45,360 Speaker 1: It's it's starting to feel a little bit, David, like 1161 01:06:45,400 --> 01:06:48,560 Speaker 1: this is a pattern like this is the game plan. Well, 1162 01:06:48,600 --> 01:06:51,320 Speaker 1: I would, I would, I would counter with saying the 1163 01:06:51,360 --> 01:06:54,919 Speaker 1: best way not to get tripped up for doing things 1164 01:06:54,920 --> 01:06:57,520 Speaker 1: that aren't wise to stop doing unwise things. So, if 1165 01:06:57,520 --> 01:07:00,080 Speaker 1: you break it down, I mean, Michael Flynn didn't not 1166 01:07:00,200 --> 01:07:04,360 Speaker 1: tell the truth to members of his own administration. Jeff Sessions, 1167 01:07:04,360 --> 01:07:08,160 Speaker 1: who recused from the investigation. Um, he was well less 1168 01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:12,760 Speaker 1: than forthcoming in testimony before Congress in this situation. Devin Nunez, 1169 01:07:13,320 --> 01:07:15,200 Speaker 1: as I said, got out over a skis and did 1170 01:07:15,200 --> 01:07:17,080 Speaker 1: not do what he's supposed to do as chairman of 1171 01:07:17,120 --> 01:07:19,920 Speaker 1: the committee. So in each one of those circumstances, it 1172 01:07:20,000 --> 01:07:22,280 Speaker 1: doesn't seem so much like a witch hunt to me. 1173 01:07:22,400 --> 01:07:26,840 Speaker 1: As it seems that people are giving gigantic openings for 1174 01:07:26,840 --> 01:07:32,840 Speaker 1: the Democrats who are furious anyway, who are seeking scalps anyway, 1175 01:07:32,880 --> 01:07:36,080 Speaker 1: and they're giving these huge openings, but not every Republican. 1176 01:07:36,160 --> 01:07:38,840 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they're not gonna get Tray gaudy. I 1177 01:07:38,880 --> 01:07:40,680 Speaker 1: was just saying this before. But but the but the 1178 01:07:40,720 --> 01:07:43,160 Speaker 1: other side of this, and I respect your your position 1179 01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:46,280 Speaker 1: on this, the other side is Attorney Gental Eric Holder. 1180 01:07:46,480 --> 01:07:49,960 Speaker 1: He didn't recuse himself from anything. Uh, Lauretta Lynch with 1181 01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:52,640 Speaker 1: the Hillary emails, she didn't recuse herself from anything. I mean, 1182 01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:55,200 Speaker 1: you go down on the other side of the you 1183 01:07:55,240 --> 01:07:57,640 Speaker 1: look at what's going on with the Democrats, and they 1184 01:07:57,680 --> 01:08:00,160 Speaker 1: just play hardball. I mean, unless you're gonna bring up 1185 01:08:00,200 --> 01:08:03,280 Speaker 1: on criminal charges. Really. Uh, if it's to their benefit 1186 01:08:03,360 --> 01:08:05,120 Speaker 1: to stay to stay in the game, they stay in 1187 01:08:05,160 --> 01:08:08,040 Speaker 1: the game. Yeah. Well, you know, I don't want to know. 1188 01:08:08,080 --> 01:08:10,240 Speaker 1: There's not too wrong to make it right, but it does. 1189 01:08:10,440 --> 01:08:12,920 Speaker 1: It does irk me a little bit. No, I I 1190 01:08:13,040 --> 01:08:14,760 Speaker 1: completely hear you on that, but I don't want to 1191 01:08:14,800 --> 01:08:18,920 Speaker 1: fault Jeff Sessions for being more honorable than Eric holder Um. 1192 01:08:19,000 --> 01:08:21,000 Speaker 1: And and that's one of the reasons why I like 1193 01:08:21,120 --> 01:08:24,400 Speaker 1: Jeff Sessions. I think he's an honorable man. And and 1194 01:08:24,560 --> 01:08:27,880 Speaker 1: you are absolutely correct, and in fact, that culture, but 1195 01:08:28,320 --> 01:08:32,840 Speaker 1: that culture of of corruption actually has cost the Democrats 1196 01:08:32,880 --> 01:08:36,000 Speaker 1: a lot. You know, I've often heard it said, well, 1197 01:08:36,040 --> 01:08:38,360 Speaker 1: they play hardball, they play hardball, and they win. And 1198 01:08:38,400 --> 01:08:41,920 Speaker 1: I say, do they really now? Because look at what 1199 01:08:41,960 --> 01:08:45,160 Speaker 1: they've gone with this by any means necessary approach to politics, 1200 01:08:45,240 --> 01:08:48,040 Speaker 1: and the Democratic Party is weaker than it's been in 1201 01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:51,800 Speaker 1: a hundred years. And it isn't yet it isn't right. 1202 01:08:51,840 --> 01:08:54,639 Speaker 1: I mean, it is weaker. You're right in terms of 1203 01:08:54,640 --> 01:08:57,920 Speaker 1: office is held and positions and government and the House, 1204 01:08:58,000 --> 01:09:00,439 Speaker 1: the Senate, the White House, state legislatures and I so 1205 01:09:00,520 --> 01:09:04,760 Speaker 1: that's unassailably true. But it does feel like that Republicans 1206 01:09:04,840 --> 01:09:08,360 Speaker 1: somehow are losing the culture war, don't have the momentum 1207 01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:11,720 Speaker 1: and can't get stuff done right now. Well, losing the 1208 01:09:11,720 --> 01:09:14,800 Speaker 1: culture war, that's a whole different thing. And I'm with 1209 01:09:14,880 --> 01:09:16,840 Speaker 1: you on that, and that that's a function of the 1210 01:09:16,840 --> 01:09:19,880 Speaker 1: academy in Hollywood far more than it is in the 1211 01:09:20,000 --> 01:09:24,880 Speaker 1: individual democratic politicians, and they can't get stuff done right now. Yes, 1212 01:09:25,080 --> 01:09:27,400 Speaker 1: that's why I agree with you that that's a problem. 1213 01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,720 Speaker 1: But when you hold the majority and you control the 1214 01:09:29,760 --> 01:09:31,559 Speaker 1: House and you can't get it built through the House 1215 01:09:31,560 --> 01:09:34,520 Speaker 1: that you control, I don't know that that's on Democrats. 1216 01:09:34,640 --> 01:09:37,880 Speaker 1: I think that that's on Republicans. And that's fair. Yeah, 1217 01:09:38,160 --> 01:09:40,880 Speaker 1: It's just it makes me sad, but that is fair. 1218 01:09:41,880 --> 01:09:44,639 Speaker 1: I will also want to ask you about about Susan Rice. 1219 01:09:45,240 --> 01:09:48,439 Speaker 1: I know right now there's the position that a lot 1220 01:09:48,439 --> 01:09:51,000 Speaker 1: of my fellow conservers want to hear, is you know 1221 01:09:51,080 --> 01:09:53,680 Speaker 1: we got her. Um, I can't. I can't go to 1222 01:09:53,760 --> 01:09:58,320 Speaker 1: that place. Yet it's to me she was dishonest for sure. 1223 01:09:58,760 --> 01:10:00,519 Speaker 1: She could have just said I can't talk about that, 1224 01:10:00,560 --> 01:10:02,800 Speaker 1: as I've pointed out, and that would be that would 1225 01:10:02,800 --> 01:10:05,960 Speaker 1: be a perfectly legitimate It wouldn't quiet her critics, but 1226 01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:07,800 Speaker 1: it would have you've you know, David, I know you've 1227 01:10:07,800 --> 01:10:10,360 Speaker 1: held the clearance. I've held the clearance. That's completely legitimate 1228 01:10:10,400 --> 01:10:12,920 Speaker 1: under the circumstances. Instead, she lied, which she didn't have 1229 01:10:13,000 --> 01:10:15,200 Speaker 1: to do. But we don't know enough to say that 1230 01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:21,000 Speaker 1: she broke any laws, right I mean, that's yeah, Well, 1231 01:10:21,040 --> 01:10:24,000 Speaker 1: that's right, I mean right now, right now, we don't know. 1232 01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:28,080 Speaker 1: We know enough to be suspicious in our past performance 1233 01:10:28,080 --> 01:10:31,120 Speaker 1: in Tuth and Rice's present and past relationship to the 1234 01:10:31,160 --> 01:10:35,080 Speaker 1: truth is tenuous on a good day. So we know 1235 01:10:35,200 --> 01:10:37,320 Speaker 1: enough to be suspicious, We know enough not to trust 1236 01:10:37,360 --> 01:10:40,200 Speaker 1: anything she says or does, but we don't know they're 1237 01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:44,639 Speaker 1: really critical information, which is what was unmasked and why 1238 01:10:44,720 --> 01:10:47,760 Speaker 1: was it unmasked? Because as we all know, unmasking is 1239 01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:51,959 Speaker 1: not something that's per se criminal. There's discretion to unmask, 1240 01:10:52,560 --> 01:10:55,360 Speaker 1: and you can unmask when there's a national security reason 1241 01:10:55,400 --> 01:10:58,120 Speaker 1: to unmask, and so all of this goes to the 1242 01:10:58,120 --> 01:11:00,519 Speaker 1: heart of this question that we we don't know, we 1243 01:11:00,600 --> 01:11:03,559 Speaker 1: haven't known, and there's all of this speculation swirling around 1244 01:11:03,640 --> 01:11:07,240 Speaker 1: but so far no evidence, which is that the allegation 1245 01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,759 Speaker 1: that there was some sort of collusion or potential evidence 1246 01:11:09,800 --> 01:11:13,200 Speaker 1: of collusion between Russia and Trump officials. And if there 1247 01:11:13,360 --> 01:11:15,599 Speaker 1: was and she unmasked, she can do that and that's 1248 01:11:15,720 --> 01:11:19,479 Speaker 1: entirely appropriate. But if she was just spying on people, um, 1249 01:11:19,560 --> 01:11:21,479 Speaker 1: if she was just trying to get information that could 1250 01:11:21,479 --> 01:11:23,720 Speaker 1: be used to embarrass people, well then we got a 1251 01:11:23,720 --> 01:11:27,479 Speaker 1: whole different abuse of powerball game. And that that's and 1252 01:11:27,600 --> 01:11:29,959 Speaker 1: you know what, it could end up being both. Yeah, 1253 01:11:30,000 --> 01:11:31,519 Speaker 1: it could be a little bit of both. And I 1254 01:11:31,600 --> 01:11:35,760 Speaker 1: really hope the President declassifies a lot of the information 1255 01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:38,559 Speaker 1: that I'm sure. I'm sure they could. They might have 1256 01:11:38,560 --> 01:11:40,920 Speaker 1: to redact some stuff, but we really need to start 1257 01:11:40,960 --> 01:11:43,719 Speaker 1: seeing some primary source documents here and getting it because 1258 01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:46,160 Speaker 1: right now it's just the new cycle is just one 1259 01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:51,080 Speaker 1: series of partisan insinuations after another on this and I 1260 01:11:51,120 --> 01:11:52,840 Speaker 1: think it's getting pretty tiresome and I want to get 1261 01:11:52,880 --> 01:11:55,160 Speaker 1: onto policy stuff. But David, thank you for shedding light 1262 01:11:55,240 --> 01:11:57,479 Speaker 1: on all these different stories today. David French staff right 1263 01:11:57,560 --> 01:12:00,679 Speaker 1: from National Review. Check out his latest at National Review 1264 01:12:00,880 --> 01:12:03,920 Speaker 1: dot com. Mr French, great to have you, sir, Thanks 1265 01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:09,640 Speaker 1: so much for having me. I appreciate it. Marie in Maryland, 1266 01:12:09,840 --> 01:12:13,439 Speaker 1: how you doing, Hey, Buck, pleasure to talk to you. 1267 01:12:13,439 --> 01:12:17,439 Speaker 1: You do okay? So I have actually two questions for 1268 01:12:17,600 --> 01:12:22,120 Speaker 1: you about the crisis. One is, why aren't the other 1269 01:12:22,160 --> 01:12:25,479 Speaker 1: Arab leaders in the region doing more to address Assad 1270 01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:27,320 Speaker 1: in his war crimes. I mean, this has been going 1271 01:12:27,360 --> 01:12:29,840 Speaker 1: on for quite a while now. It seems strange that 1272 01:12:29,880 --> 01:12:31,920 Speaker 1: they're not doing more at this point, that they're waiting 1273 01:12:31,960 --> 01:12:35,879 Speaker 1: for us to do something. Uh. They Well, the biggest 1274 01:12:36,040 --> 01:12:39,400 Speaker 1: help to the conflict from really any Arab leaders so far, 1275 01:12:39,439 --> 01:12:40,760 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, the U a E. I mean, there 1276 01:12:40,760 --> 01:12:44,439 Speaker 1: have been some Arab countries Egypt that have been willing 1277 01:12:44,439 --> 01:12:47,240 Speaker 1: to help out militarily with the coalition against the Islamic State, 1278 01:12:47,600 --> 01:12:51,920 Speaker 1: but the most assistance really has come from the relatively 1279 01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:55,920 Speaker 1: small and not wealthy and not powerful state of Jordan's 1280 01:12:56,280 --> 01:13:00,519 Speaker 1: by providing uh safe haven for refugees. I've I mentioned 1281 01:13:00,560 --> 01:13:02,120 Speaker 1: yesterday in the show. I went to one of the 1282 01:13:02,160 --> 01:13:06,400 Speaker 1: refugee camps in Jordan's for the Syrian refugees, and that's 1283 01:13:06,920 --> 01:13:11,559 Speaker 1: they provided that assistance. And other than that, these Arab 1284 01:13:11,640 --> 01:13:16,000 Speaker 1: states just don't either have the military capability or have 1285 01:13:16,040 --> 01:13:19,400 Speaker 1: the military will quite honestly, to take this problem into 1286 01:13:19,400 --> 01:13:21,360 Speaker 1: their hands. They got their own problems. I mean, if 1287 01:13:21,400 --> 01:13:23,519 Speaker 1: you think about it, what would be the Arab country 1288 01:13:23,560 --> 01:13:25,960 Speaker 1: that would really get involved in this, that would want 1289 01:13:25,960 --> 01:13:28,679 Speaker 1: to get involved in this. We have our own domestic 1290 01:13:28,680 --> 01:13:31,679 Speaker 1: politics as to why we'd be concerned about risking our 1291 01:13:31,760 --> 01:13:35,400 Speaker 1: soldiers in a Syrian civil war. That would apply in 1292 01:13:36,200 --> 01:13:39,479 Speaker 1: Arab Muslim majority states as well, So you know, they 1293 01:13:39,520 --> 01:13:41,439 Speaker 1: just don't want to touch it, as the short answer, Marie, 1294 01:13:41,479 --> 01:13:45,960 Speaker 1: because it is a complete disaster. Well, and then that 1295 01:13:46,040 --> 01:13:48,720 Speaker 1: kind of feeds into my second question is that if 1296 01:13:48,720 --> 01:13:50,920 Speaker 1: we were to get more involved, to whatever degree that 1297 01:13:51,000 --> 01:13:53,519 Speaker 1: we will get involved in Syria after this, does that 1298 01:13:53,600 --> 01:13:56,680 Speaker 1: mean we take on a much greater responsibility for the 1299 01:13:56,720 --> 01:14:01,439 Speaker 1: Syrian refugee crisis? Uh? Yeah, if we? Well, they're the 1300 01:14:01,439 --> 01:14:04,760 Speaker 1: the good part about toppling Assad, which I don't think 1301 01:14:04,800 --> 01:14:06,240 Speaker 1: we should do and which would come with a lot 1302 01:14:06,280 --> 01:14:09,040 Speaker 1: of bad stuff, but the good part would be that 1303 01:14:09,120 --> 01:14:11,679 Speaker 1: you might be in a position then to bring back 1304 01:14:11,800 --> 01:14:15,080 Speaker 1: a lot of the displaced, because they're more displaced persons 1305 01:14:15,520 --> 01:14:18,320 Speaker 1: in and around Syria than there are formal refugees right 1306 01:14:18,600 --> 01:14:20,800 Speaker 1: there are a lot of internally displaced person's I d 1307 01:14:20,920 --> 01:14:24,000 Speaker 1: pace UH. And then there are also those who are 1308 01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,719 Speaker 1: just waiting outside of Sirius borders in Jordan and Turkey, 1309 01:14:28,240 --> 01:14:30,479 Speaker 1: most notably who would want to go back. In fact, 1310 01:14:30,560 --> 01:14:33,799 Speaker 1: the refugees at Zotari that I spoke to, the Syrian 1311 01:14:33,800 --> 01:14:36,559 Speaker 1: refugees that I spoke to, wanted to go home. They 1312 01:14:36,600 --> 01:14:38,559 Speaker 1: weren't saying we want to go to America or Europe. 1313 01:14:38,560 --> 01:14:40,920 Speaker 1: They're saying we want to go home to Syria. But 1314 01:14:40,960 --> 01:14:42,840 Speaker 1: obviously they don't want to do it if it means 1315 01:14:42,840 --> 01:14:45,519 Speaker 1: they're going to die. So if Asad is gone, you 1316 01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:49,040 Speaker 1: might be able to have a return of refugees. But 1317 01:14:49,200 --> 01:14:53,360 Speaker 1: again you're gonna need a ground force, not just to 1318 01:14:53,479 --> 01:14:57,320 Speaker 1: stop the g hottest and and Islamist militias like ISIS 1319 01:14:57,360 --> 01:15:03,519 Speaker 1: and jabot Nasa and others UH from running wild and 1320 01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:07,200 Speaker 1: killing people, but all sell needs stabilization for the purpose 1321 01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:09,599 Speaker 1: of holding elections. And who do they complain to when 1322 01:15:09,600 --> 01:15:11,439 Speaker 1: the lights don't work? And what happens when there's no 1323 01:15:11,479 --> 01:15:14,240 Speaker 1: trash pickup? And this is what our soldiers ended up 1324 01:15:14,240 --> 01:15:18,000 Speaker 1: having to deal with in Iraq. So someone's gonna have 1325 01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,200 Speaker 1: to own this mess, and nobody wants to own it. 1326 01:15:20,240 --> 01:15:23,160 Speaker 1: That's really part of the problem. And that's what I'm 1327 01:15:23,200 --> 01:15:25,680 Speaker 1: afraid for us, is that then we come in and 1328 01:15:25,720 --> 01:15:27,639 Speaker 1: we wind up owning the mess because we're the only 1329 01:15:27,680 --> 01:15:31,479 Speaker 1: one who necessarily has the money to do so and 1330 01:15:31,800 --> 01:15:35,040 Speaker 1: perhaps the will to do it at this stage. Yeah, 1331 01:15:35,080 --> 01:15:37,719 Speaker 1: I don't see. I think we're gonna stop well short 1332 01:15:37,720 --> 01:15:41,280 Speaker 1: of that, because the lessons of Iraq and Afghanistan are 1333 01:15:41,400 --> 01:15:43,880 Speaker 1: seared into our brains at this point, at least some 1334 01:15:43,960 --> 01:15:45,559 Speaker 1: of them, and we do not want to be in 1335 01:15:45,640 --> 01:15:48,800 Speaker 1: charge of a collapse Syria trying to rebuild it. But Marie, 1336 01:15:48,800 --> 01:15:51,160 Speaker 1: thank you very much for calling in UH team, our 1337 01:15:51,240 --> 01:15:57,040 Speaker 1: threes upon us. We're gonna talk history. He spreads freedom 1338 01:15:57,200 --> 01:16:01,360 Speaker 1: because freedom is not gonna spread itself. Bug Sexton is back. 1339 01:16:03,040 --> 01:16:06,240 Speaker 1: All right, everybody, welcome back. Today is an anniversary. A 1340 01:16:06,320 --> 01:16:12,439 Speaker 1: hundred years ago today, America entered World War One. How 1341 01:16:12,479 --> 01:16:14,719 Speaker 1: did we get involved in this? What was the thinking 1342 01:16:14,760 --> 01:16:17,400 Speaker 1: around it? And what did it lead to? We're joined 1343 01:16:17,400 --> 01:16:19,280 Speaker 1: by John shirt He's an Action scarity colomist for The 1344 01:16:19,320 --> 01:16:22,799 Speaker 1: New York Observer, formerly an n s a intelligence analysts 1345 01:16:22,800 --> 01:16:26,400 Speaker 1: and counterintelligence officer and a historian. By the way, John, 1346 01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:30,040 Speaker 1: great to have you. Great to be here. By the way, 1347 01:16:30,160 --> 01:16:32,960 Speaker 1: let's let's talk about your piece here, John. A hundred 1348 01:16:33,000 --> 01:16:37,479 Speaker 1: years ago today America enters the Great War UM. First off, 1349 01:16:37,640 --> 01:16:40,599 Speaker 1: what were the factors around the decision at the time? 1350 01:16:40,640 --> 01:16:43,720 Speaker 1: How did we get pulled into a war that had 1351 01:16:43,760 --> 01:16:46,000 Speaker 1: been going on for a few years and people were 1352 01:16:46,040 --> 01:16:49,680 Speaker 1: already aware of the appalling casualties and horrific conditions on 1353 01:16:49,720 --> 01:16:53,040 Speaker 1: both sides. Yeah, the public was widely aware. In our 1354 01:16:53,120 --> 01:16:56,439 Speaker 1: president time, Woodrow Wilson had very mixed feelings about it. 1355 01:16:56,520 --> 01:16:59,519 Speaker 1: In fact, you've been reelected president of previous fall on 1356 01:16:59,800 --> 01:17:02,320 Speaker 1: a platform he kept us out of the war. So 1357 01:17:02,360 --> 01:17:04,639 Speaker 1: how it happened as kind of a remarkable turn of events. 1358 01:17:05,560 --> 01:17:08,000 Speaker 1: One of one factor that was really important was that 1359 01:17:08,280 --> 01:17:12,720 Speaker 1: at the beginning of February nineteen seventeen, Germany began understricted 1360 01:17:12,720 --> 01:17:15,479 Speaker 1: submarine warfare again, which meant German U boats on the 1361 01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:19,559 Speaker 1: high seas, mainly in the North Atlantic, began sinking vessels, 1362 01:17:19,600 --> 01:17:23,840 Speaker 1: including neutral vessels, including American vessels, headed toward Britain, in 1363 01:17:23,880 --> 01:17:27,160 Speaker 1: particular to support the British war effort. The Germans claimed 1364 01:17:27,160 --> 01:17:30,680 Speaker 1: this was legal because the British were uh in inflicting 1365 01:17:30,720 --> 01:17:34,560 Speaker 1: a horrible blockade on Germany that was slowly starving Germany's population, 1366 01:17:34,640 --> 01:17:37,000 Speaker 1: But it actually wasn't legal under the laws of war. 1367 01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,519 Speaker 1: And Americans started getting killed. And they've done this before. 1368 01:17:39,600 --> 01:17:43,160 Speaker 1: The Germans in nineteen fifteen famously sank the liner Lusitanny 1369 01:17:43,200 --> 01:17:46,439 Speaker 1: off the coast of Ireland, killing hundred Tornadive Americans. So 1370 01:17:46,520 --> 01:17:49,000 Speaker 1: when Germans started doing this again in February nineteen seventeen, 1371 01:17:49,000 --> 01:17:51,680 Speaker 1: this was front page news across the United States. So 1372 01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:54,799 Speaker 1: that was one factor. The other factor was the Germans 1373 01:17:54,840 --> 01:17:59,920 Speaker 1: tried to get Mexico into the war. The Zimmerman twity 1374 01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:04,320 Speaker 1: aram the most important single intelligence event of the twentieth century. 1375 01:18:04,880 --> 01:18:06,960 Speaker 1: Uh and how how the British got that's a pretty 1376 01:18:07,000 --> 01:18:09,560 Speaker 1: remarkable story. Tell us a bit about the zimmer And 1377 01:18:09,600 --> 01:18:11,760 Speaker 1: Telegram for those listening. I'm sure people remember it from 1378 01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,280 Speaker 1: history class in school. But it's a pretty fascinating, pretty 1379 01:18:14,280 --> 01:18:17,559 Speaker 1: fascinating little tidbit that did change the course of well, 1380 01:18:17,600 --> 01:18:20,400 Speaker 1: you could argue, change the course of Western civilization in 1381 01:18:20,400 --> 01:18:23,639 Speaker 1: the sense, oh I I think an unquestionably did because 1382 01:18:23,640 --> 01:18:25,679 Speaker 1: of that. It it's hard to see how President Wilson 1383 01:18:25,760 --> 01:18:27,960 Speaker 1: would have gotten a majority of Americans to go along 1384 01:18:28,000 --> 01:18:30,719 Speaker 1: with entering the war. UH. The Royal Navy, the British 1385 01:18:30,800 --> 01:18:33,839 Speaker 1: Navy that is, had been secretly reading German diplomatic military 1386 01:18:33,880 --> 01:18:36,240 Speaker 1: codes in Cyprus since almost the first month of the 1387 01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:39,040 Speaker 1: First World War close to the secret obviously in a 1388 01:18:39,120 --> 01:18:41,360 Speaker 1: huge help of the British war effort. UH. In the 1389 01:18:41,360 --> 01:18:44,400 Speaker 1: middle of January nine seventeen, the Royal Navy Code Breaking 1390 01:18:44,439 --> 01:18:47,840 Speaker 1: Office what they call Room forty UH intercepted and began 1391 01:18:47,880 --> 01:18:50,040 Speaker 1: decrypting a message which turned out to be from Author 1392 01:18:50,120 --> 01:18:52,880 Speaker 1: Zimmim and the Germans foreign minister in Berlin to his 1393 01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:56,439 Speaker 1: ambassador in Mexico, which, as I hinted already in telegram, 1394 01:18:56,520 --> 01:18:58,320 Speaker 1: wanted to get next to in the war, to tack 1395 01:18:58,360 --> 01:19:00,479 Speaker 1: the United States since the Germans to the little get 1396 01:19:00,520 --> 01:19:02,840 Speaker 1: end of the war anyway, UH, and to get back 1397 01:19:02,960 --> 01:19:07,200 Speaker 1: Mexico's lost provinces of Texas, New Mexico, Arizona, and California. 1398 01:19:07,800 --> 01:19:11,559 Speaker 1: The British decryptist knew they had a tremendous world historical 1399 01:19:11,560 --> 01:19:13,680 Speaker 1: bombshow on their hands, but they didn't know how to 1400 01:19:13,720 --> 01:19:15,280 Speaker 1: give it to us, because one they can't admit the 1401 01:19:15,280 --> 01:19:19,080 Speaker 1: origing German codes and ciphers, And the real problem was 1402 01:19:19,120 --> 01:19:22,360 Speaker 1: that they were reaching US State Department messages, which was 1403 01:19:22,400 --> 01:19:24,479 Speaker 1: how they founded. At the beginning of the war, when 1404 01:19:24,560 --> 01:19:28,320 Speaker 1: Germany had its international cables under the oceans cut by 1405 01:19:28,320 --> 01:19:30,760 Speaker 1: the British and Act of War Um, they had no 1406 01:19:30,800 --> 01:19:34,040 Speaker 1: way to communicate with their embassies overseas, and the appeal 1407 01:19:34,080 --> 01:19:37,000 Speaker 1: to President Wilson, who was a progressive college professor by 1408 01:19:37,040 --> 01:19:39,000 Speaker 1: the way, and said, hey, how are supposed to have 1409 01:19:39,120 --> 01:19:41,080 Speaker 1: the peace talks? Who wants so badly if we can't 1410 01:19:41,080 --> 01:19:44,720 Speaker 1: even communicate with our embassies overseas, to which Wilson and 1411 01:19:44,800 --> 01:19:48,840 Speaker 1: magnanimous TEMs said, why don't use our State Department cables? 1412 01:19:48,840 --> 01:19:51,719 Speaker 1: You can encrypt them inside our cables. And the British 1413 01:19:51,720 --> 01:19:55,880 Speaker 1: intercceptives wom in telegram because they were intercepting US diplomatic communication, 1414 01:19:56,120 --> 01:19:58,840 Speaker 1: something they obviously didn't want to tell us. So the 1415 01:19:59,000 --> 01:20:02,000 Speaker 1: Admiral Regiment blinker Hall To had a British naval intelligence 1416 01:20:02,040 --> 01:20:05,280 Speaker 1: concoctit a brilliant scheme where he actually had a human 1417 01:20:05,320 --> 01:20:08,719 Speaker 1: agent go to Mexico and break into the main telegraph 1418 01:20:08,840 --> 01:20:12,240 Speaker 1: office in Mexico City and actually steal a duplicate hard 1419 01:20:12,280 --> 01:20:14,840 Speaker 1: copy of the Zooman Telegram, and it was that which 1420 01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:17,200 Speaker 1: the British gave to the United States. And at that 1421 01:20:17,240 --> 01:20:20,519 Speaker 1: point the argument was, not only are the Germans blowing 1422 01:20:20,600 --> 01:20:23,479 Speaker 1: up boats that have Americans on them with submarines, but oh, 1423 01:20:23,560 --> 01:20:25,840 Speaker 1: by the way, they're conspiring with our southern neighbor to 1424 01:20:25,960 --> 01:20:28,320 Speaker 1: take back their lost possessions. I believe that was even 1425 01:20:28,360 --> 01:20:30,360 Speaker 1: stated in the telegram right that they were going to 1426 01:20:30,439 --> 01:20:33,519 Speaker 1: get back It absolutely was, It absolutely was, And that 1427 01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:35,439 Speaker 1: was the tipping point for a lot of Americans who 1428 01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:38,360 Speaker 1: had been ambivalent or host to the idea of entering 1429 01:20:38,360 --> 01:20:40,360 Speaker 1: the war. And when it became obviously Germany was trying 1430 01:20:40,360 --> 01:20:42,720 Speaker 1: to open the Southern Front as it will, to take 1431 01:20:42,760 --> 01:20:45,920 Speaker 1: over American territory, that was really a step to Yeah, 1432 01:20:46,080 --> 01:20:47,720 Speaker 1: if you if you want to push America into war, 1433 01:20:47,880 --> 01:20:51,120 Speaker 1: tell tell them that that people are trying to take Texas, California, 1434 01:20:51,160 --> 01:20:53,559 Speaker 1: and a few other chunks of the country away. Uh. 1435 01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:55,040 Speaker 1: That that tends to be a pretty good way to 1436 01:20:55,080 --> 01:20:57,479 Speaker 1: go about it. Um. But then once we get in 1437 01:20:58,120 --> 01:21:01,120 Speaker 1: one of the interesting things. I'm a I'm a ah proponent, 1438 01:21:01,280 --> 01:21:04,519 Speaker 1: a fan of Barbara Tuckman's The guns of august as A. 1439 01:21:04,840 --> 01:21:06,200 Speaker 1: And I want to ask you John, at the end 1440 01:21:06,200 --> 01:21:07,840 Speaker 1: of this, what some of the books are to those 1441 01:21:08,200 --> 01:21:11,680 Speaker 1: listening that you would recommend um but Tuckman getting into 1442 01:21:11,760 --> 01:21:14,880 Speaker 1: the on the European powers side of this and they 1443 01:21:14,960 --> 01:21:18,160 Speaker 1: run up to the war, it's incredible in the sense 1444 01:21:18,200 --> 01:21:21,879 Speaker 1: of truly hard to believe how ill prepared. For example, 1445 01:21:21,920 --> 01:21:25,479 Speaker 1: the French were, with their red pants and their nineteenth 1446 01:21:25,520 --> 01:21:29,479 Speaker 1: century uniforms going up and going up against machine guns. 1447 01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,519 Speaker 1: UH and the Germans, who had actually mechanized and improved 1448 01:21:33,600 --> 01:21:37,240 Speaker 1: dramatically on their on their military procedures and tactics UH were, 1449 01:21:37,280 --> 01:21:39,880 Speaker 1: had had a tremendous advantage. How did the when when 1450 01:21:39,880 --> 01:21:42,800 Speaker 1: we got into this, how prepared were we, given that 1451 01:21:42,840 --> 01:21:44,320 Speaker 1: there had been a few years of this were already 1452 01:21:44,360 --> 01:21:46,920 Speaker 1: going on, for the kind of conflict that we were 1453 01:21:46,960 --> 01:21:51,120 Speaker 1: going to see, We were actually completely unprepared to The U. S. 1454 01:21:51,200 --> 01:21:53,719 Speaker 1: Army at the time was not up to European standards, 1455 01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:57,880 Speaker 1: was professional, quite small. Most of it's experience, if you recall, 1456 01:21:57,920 --> 01:22:01,080 Speaker 1: had been chasing contro Via around next of in the 1457 01:22:01,120 --> 01:22:05,000 Speaker 1: mid nineteen teams and before that, you know, bringing bringing 1458 01:22:05,080 --> 01:22:09,519 Speaker 1: Native Americans wh wouldn't respect us control to heal. The 1459 01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:11,360 Speaker 1: Germans were not impressed by the U. S. Army, and 1460 01:22:11,360 --> 01:22:13,800 Speaker 1: they correctly assessed it would take at least a year 1461 01:22:13,880 --> 01:22:16,760 Speaker 1: to the United States to raise a war army of 1462 01:22:16,840 --> 01:22:19,720 Speaker 1: a size was subfisial equipment to matter in the war 1463 01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,559 Speaker 1: and by the way get it to Europe. The Germans 1464 01:22:22,560 --> 01:22:24,599 Speaker 1: figure they had at least a year on commuting rooms 1465 01:22:24,720 --> 01:22:26,600 Speaker 1: to win the war before the Americans were in it 1466 01:22:26,600 --> 01:22:28,840 Speaker 1: in a serious way. The Germans just failed to do that. 1467 01:22:29,000 --> 01:22:31,920 Speaker 1: They must be said, they came pretty close. America really 1468 01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,080 Speaker 1: was profoundly unready for the war in April nineteen seventeen, 1469 01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,920 Speaker 1: and yet we were a difference maker. What were the 1470 01:22:39,000 --> 01:22:42,160 Speaker 1: key there was the financial aspect, even before we got 1471 01:22:42,160 --> 01:22:45,679 Speaker 1: involved US U S. Banks banks out of New York City, 1472 01:22:45,720 --> 01:22:48,000 Speaker 1: as you point out on your piece today, we're essential 1473 01:22:48,040 --> 01:22:50,760 Speaker 1: to funding the allies, who are particularly the British and 1474 01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:53,479 Speaker 1: the French, were running very low on money. But how 1475 01:22:53,520 --> 01:22:55,640 Speaker 1: were we able to How were how was the U. S. 1476 01:22:55,720 --> 01:22:59,599 Speaker 1: Infusion of troops after the entry in the First World 1477 01:22:59,600 --> 01:23:03,360 Speaker 1: War able to turn this this stalemate which is always 1478 01:23:03,360 --> 01:23:07,320 Speaker 1: referred people referre to trench warfare and uh the appalling 1479 01:23:07,360 --> 01:23:11,080 Speaker 1: losses of life. That didn't even result in an exchange 1480 01:23:11,080 --> 01:23:14,640 Speaker 1: of territory. It was just a meat grinder. How are 1481 01:23:14,680 --> 01:23:17,000 Speaker 1: we able to tip the balance? What was what were 1482 01:23:17,000 --> 01:23:20,879 Speaker 1: the difference makers? Well, we had the world's biggest economy. 1483 01:23:21,200 --> 01:23:24,439 Speaker 1: We had over a hundred million Americans. Once America was 1484 01:23:24,520 --> 01:23:26,559 Speaker 1: in the war in a serious way, which again would 1485 01:23:26,560 --> 01:23:30,080 Speaker 1: take time, Germany understood they had no chance of ultimate victory. UH. 1486 01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:33,760 Speaker 1: Nearly by entering the war, we changed the game UH 1487 01:23:33,800 --> 01:23:36,880 Speaker 1: and Germany, against their credit, although delusional they were at times, 1488 01:23:36,880 --> 01:23:40,160 Speaker 1: their military leadership understood that once America was in the war, 1489 01:23:40,840 --> 01:23:43,599 Speaker 1: the Germans had to win it quickly because ultimately they 1490 01:23:43,600 --> 01:23:46,120 Speaker 1: were going to lose. The stalemate which had prevailed from 1491 01:23:46,200 --> 01:23:49,200 Speaker 1: nineties fourteen on was ultimately going to be broken by numbers. 1492 01:23:49,240 --> 01:23:52,320 Speaker 1: The U. S. Army was not experience, but it was 1493 01:23:52,439 --> 01:23:54,599 Speaker 1: used that we brought. We had over a million combat 1494 01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:57,920 Speaker 1: forces in Europe by the fall of and the Germans 1495 01:23:57,920 --> 01:23:59,960 Speaker 1: just couldn't compete with that. They were exhausted after four 1496 01:24:00,120 --> 01:24:03,600 Speaker 1: years of war, millions of casualties. The Germans We're going 1497 01:24:03,640 --> 01:24:05,240 Speaker 1: to openly lose the war once we were in it. 1498 01:24:05,680 --> 01:24:09,280 Speaker 1: That's definitely the fact. The worst battle that US troops 1499 01:24:09,280 --> 01:24:12,840 Speaker 1: were involved in the First World War is what the 1500 01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:16,200 Speaker 1: moves are gone, the only really major US offensive in 1501 01:24:16,240 --> 01:24:19,240 Speaker 1: the war, and it's one of these incredibly forgotten stories. 1502 01:24:19,320 --> 01:24:21,759 Speaker 1: This was the still to this day, the bloodiest battle 1503 01:24:21,800 --> 01:24:24,200 Speaker 1: in American history. A hundred and twenty two thousand US 1504 01:24:24,280 --> 01:24:27,559 Speaker 1: casualties in forty seven days of combat, twenty six thousand 1505 01:24:27,720 --> 01:24:31,040 Speaker 1: killed um Worse than the Battle of the Balls, worse 1506 01:24:31,120 --> 01:24:34,160 Speaker 1: than Okinawa, far worse than EO Gma in terms numbers, 1507 01:24:34,160 --> 01:24:37,320 Speaker 1: worse than Gettysburg, worse than Antietam. But hardly Americans have 1508 01:24:37,439 --> 01:24:39,680 Speaker 1: heard of it. Uh. And this was the proofs that 1509 01:24:39,720 --> 01:24:43,599 Speaker 1: the American exodustionary forest would turn the tide in the war, 1510 01:24:43,680 --> 01:24:45,679 Speaker 1: the Germans being retreat and this was part of why 1511 01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:49,000 Speaker 1: on the eleventh of November nine and eighteen, Germany reluctantly 1512 01:24:49,040 --> 01:24:51,679 Speaker 1: asked for honestness, because they saw the Americans had finally 1513 01:24:52,000 --> 01:24:55,439 Speaker 1: significantly flipped the tide of the war. And how do 1514 01:24:55,520 --> 01:24:57,760 Speaker 1: we draw the line from the end of the First 1515 01:24:57,800 --> 01:25:01,599 Speaker 1: World War to the beginning of the Second? Well, of course, 1516 01:25:01,600 --> 01:25:03,600 Speaker 1: the Second World War comes about for many reasons, the 1517 01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,800 Speaker 1: main one being the unsatisfactory resolution of War one in 1518 01:25:07,920 --> 01:25:10,880 Speaker 1: Central Europe. German presentments, some of them well founded, some 1519 01:25:10,920 --> 01:25:12,799 Speaker 1: of them not, but they were real to the term population, 1520 01:25:12,800 --> 01:25:16,400 Speaker 1: which of course gives rise to Nazism. Of course, before that, 1521 01:25:16,479 --> 01:25:18,920 Speaker 1: you have the rise of communism Bolshevism in Russia, which 1522 01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:20,760 Speaker 1: is a huge game changer for the whole continent, which 1523 01:25:20,800 --> 01:25:23,400 Speaker 1: simply never would have happened had the war not worked 1524 01:25:23,400 --> 01:25:25,320 Speaker 1: out the way it did, had the Germans not been 1525 01:25:25,360 --> 01:25:28,280 Speaker 1: acquired to fight us in the West. The German army 1526 01:25:28,320 --> 01:25:31,160 Speaker 1: had every intention of crushing the Bolshevik regime in Russia 1527 01:25:31,200 --> 01:25:33,479 Speaker 1: like a bug. They just weren't ever allowed to do 1528 01:25:33,520 --> 01:25:35,360 Speaker 1: that because they were fighting in the West. So much 1529 01:25:36,520 --> 01:25:39,519 Speaker 1: counterfactual history is a dangerous thing. But without American intervention 1530 01:25:39,479 --> 01:25:42,080 Speaker 1: War War One, it's very easy to imagine a Europe 1531 01:25:42,600 --> 01:25:45,880 Speaker 1: winding up in some sort of unsatisfactory but compromise peace 1532 01:25:46,000 --> 01:25:48,919 Speaker 1: in the middle of ninth and eighteen, with the Germans 1533 01:25:48,920 --> 01:25:51,959 Speaker 1: losing the war but still occupying lots of non German territory. 1534 01:25:52,280 --> 01:25:55,320 Speaker 1: The Bolsheviks crossed loops of Mede. No fascism, uh, and 1535 01:25:55,400 --> 01:25:57,560 Speaker 1: of course it would be a German dominated Europe. But 1536 01:25:57,600 --> 01:25:59,720 Speaker 1: we have a German dominated Europe today. This is a 1537 01:25:59,720 --> 01:26:02,000 Speaker 1: great what if could the catastrophe of the far worst 1538 01:26:02,000 --> 01:26:05,000 Speaker 1: Second World War have been avoided? And my contention is 1539 01:26:05,040 --> 01:26:08,680 Speaker 1: that well, obviously not intending to Rudo, Wilson made the 1540 01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:11,960 Speaker 1: Second World War possible and even likely because of his 1541 01:26:12,000 --> 01:26:15,879 Speaker 1: intervention in the first. John Schindler is national security columists 1542 01:26:15,880 --> 01:26:17,880 Speaker 1: for the New York Observer. Check out his piece A 1543 01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:21,679 Speaker 1: hundred years ago today America enters the Great War. John, 1544 01:26:21,720 --> 01:26:24,160 Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us. Good to have you, the great 1545 01:26:24,160 --> 01:26:26,800 Speaker 1: pleasures always Buck. Thank you. All right, it's a little 1546 01:26:26,800 --> 01:26:29,120 Speaker 1: bit of history for you there. We'll bring it back 1547 01:26:29,120 --> 01:26:32,880 Speaker 1: into current events in just a minute. Welcome back, team. 1548 01:26:32,960 --> 01:26:38,040 Speaker 1: Um So, I just I just wanted to point something 1549 01:26:38,080 --> 01:26:42,040 Speaker 1: out that I meant to bring up before. Uh. This 1550 01:26:42,120 --> 01:26:46,519 Speaker 1: is from Byron York uh and and he writes, or 1551 01:26:46,600 --> 01:26:52,800 Speaker 1: he found rather an interview from NPR from less than 1552 01:26:52,920 --> 01:26:56,120 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago. And this is how the 1553 01:26:56,160 --> 01:27:01,360 Speaker 1: exchange went. Obama articulate this outline that Syrian President Bashar 1554 01:27:01,439 --> 01:27:03,599 Speaker 1: Assad could not cross and then he used chemical weapons 1555 01:27:03,640 --> 01:27:06,639 Speaker 1: in the US did not respond. This is what Susan 1556 01:27:06,800 --> 01:27:11,760 Speaker 1: Rice said. This is completely separate from the whole unmasking controversy. 1557 01:27:11,840 --> 01:27:14,720 Speaker 1: But this is I wanted you to hear this. This 1558 01:27:14,720 --> 01:27:16,320 Speaker 1: is from a couple of months ago and NPR, so 1559 01:27:16,320 --> 01:27:17,920 Speaker 1: I assume a lot of you probably didn't hear it. 1560 01:27:18,600 --> 01:27:21,759 Speaker 1: I didn't know I know about it until right now. Quote. 1561 01:27:21,800 --> 01:27:25,880 Speaker 1: We were able to find a solution that didn't necessitate 1562 01:27:25,960 --> 01:27:30,559 Speaker 1: the use of force, that actually removed the chemical weapons 1563 01:27:30,560 --> 01:27:33,200 Speaker 1: that were known from Syria in a way that the 1564 01:27:33,320 --> 01:27:37,240 Speaker 1: use of force would have never accomplished. Our aim in 1565 01:27:37,400 --> 01:27:40,400 Speaker 1: contemplating the use of force following the use of chemical 1566 01:27:40,439 --> 01:27:44,880 Speaker 1: weapons in August of was not to intervene in the 1567 01:27:44,920 --> 01:27:48,400 Speaker 1: civil war, not to become involved in the combat between 1568 01:27:48,400 --> 01:27:51,920 Speaker 1: Assad and the opposition, but to deal with the threat 1569 01:27:52,520 --> 01:27:56,599 Speaker 1: of chemical weapons. By virtue of the diplomacy that we 1570 01:27:56,640 --> 01:28:01,880 Speaker 1: did with Russia and with the Security Council, we were 1571 01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:08,040 Speaker 1: able to get the Syrian government to voluntarily and verifiably 1572 01:28:08,800 --> 01:28:15,559 Speaker 1: give up its chemical weapons stockpile, not all of it, 1573 01:28:15,880 --> 01:28:22,520 Speaker 1: MS Rice, not all of it. This is an important 1574 01:28:22,600 --> 01:28:26,439 Speaker 1: point for many reasons. First of all, one of the 1575 01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:31,599 Speaker 1: most unbecoming aspects of the previous administration, from the from 1576 01:28:31,600 --> 01:28:36,639 Speaker 1: the top down to all of the advisors and officials 1577 01:28:36,640 --> 01:28:43,320 Speaker 1: whose names you know, is just the unrestrained arrogance. President 1578 01:28:43,320 --> 01:28:47,000 Speaker 1: Obama was very arrogant. His top advisors were very arrogant. 1579 01:28:47,040 --> 01:28:50,400 Speaker 1: Valerie Jared was very arrogant. Uh. It was the guy 1580 01:28:50,439 --> 01:28:53,080 Speaker 1: who's the mayor of Chicago. Rama, man, you all me, 1581 01:28:53,200 --> 01:28:56,400 Speaker 1: You know you look at these are arrogant people who 1582 01:28:56,479 --> 01:28:59,639 Speaker 1: think they really no stuff and just think they are 1583 01:29:00,080 --> 01:29:08,240 Speaker 1: so brilliant. Um. And on foreign policy in particular, On 1584 01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:17,040 Speaker 1: foreign policy in particular, they just greatly overestimated their own capabilities. 1585 01:29:17,080 --> 01:29:20,439 Speaker 1: President Obama on foreign policy thought of himself as way 1586 01:29:20,479 --> 01:29:27,800 Speaker 1: more in tune with reality and having much greater facility 1587 01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:31,880 Speaker 1: and skill in foreign policy than he did. It's just 1588 01:29:32,320 --> 01:29:35,840 Speaker 1: an area where they were really weak and didn't know 1589 01:29:35,880 --> 01:29:38,439 Speaker 1: what was going on, and a lot of people suffered 1590 01:29:38,439 --> 01:29:41,200 Speaker 1: because of you know, this isn't just this isn't minor stuff. 1591 01:29:41,240 --> 01:29:43,720 Speaker 1: This isn't oh let's talk about how Obama had that 1592 01:29:43,800 --> 01:29:46,080 Speaker 1: beer summit and it was so weird or whatever. I mean. 1593 01:29:46,080 --> 01:29:49,960 Speaker 1: This this is important. A lot of people, people lose 1594 01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,639 Speaker 1: their lives because of the decisions made in the White 1595 01:29:52,680 --> 01:29:55,120 Speaker 1: House and the top echelons of the United States foreign policy. 1596 01:29:55,200 --> 01:29:57,360 Speaker 1: People in this country, our own, as well as people 1597 01:29:57,360 --> 01:29:59,920 Speaker 1: in foreign countries that we would we would like to 1598 01:30:00,040 --> 01:30:05,439 Speaker 1: help if we could. Um Uh so on this issue 1599 01:30:05,439 --> 01:30:10,720 Speaker 1: of the usage of chemical weapons, that they would go 1600 01:30:10,800 --> 01:30:13,679 Speaker 1: around as recently as two months ago. They really believe 1601 01:30:13,760 --> 01:30:17,320 Speaker 1: that Assad gave up all those chemical weapons. You know, 1602 01:30:17,520 --> 01:30:21,439 Speaker 1: I have to ask the question, Susan Rice, John carry 1603 01:30:21,640 --> 01:30:27,960 Speaker 1: Hillary Clinton, Barack Obama. Are are they just ball faced 1604 01:30:28,080 --> 01:30:31,120 Speaker 1: liars or they just not nearly as smart as they 1605 01:30:31,160 --> 01:30:35,040 Speaker 1: think they are. I don't know which it is, really 1606 01:30:35,120 --> 01:30:38,120 Speaker 1: because I never thought Asad would get Oh, oh, Asad. 1607 01:30:38,320 --> 01:30:40,920 Speaker 1: You know, we we've gone through this process with trying 1608 01:30:40,960 --> 01:30:44,640 Speaker 1: to verify Saddam's chemical weapons and nuclear weapons programs, and 1609 01:30:44,640 --> 01:30:47,439 Speaker 1: the inspectors and all, they really thought that Assad gave 1610 01:30:47,479 --> 01:30:50,960 Speaker 1: up all of these chemical weapons. They were so smooth. 1611 01:30:51,000 --> 01:30:53,400 Speaker 1: It was such a brilliant idea that John Carey trotted 1612 01:30:53,439 --> 01:30:55,920 Speaker 1: out there for the world. No, all it did was 1613 01:30:56,479 --> 01:31:01,280 Speaker 1: let us sod know that now standard a trocities using 1614 01:31:01,920 --> 01:31:06,080 Speaker 1: dumb munitions and the same kind of guns and bombs 1615 01:31:06,120 --> 01:31:08,720 Speaker 1: that have been around for many, many decades now that 1616 01:31:08,880 --> 01:31:11,720 Speaker 1: using though that would be fine in terms of the 1617 01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,120 Speaker 1: response to international community, Nothing would happen, and Russia could 1618 01:31:15,280 --> 01:31:21,639 Speaker 1: escalate as well, unrestrained and without fear of pushback with 1619 01:31:21,760 --> 01:31:28,240 Speaker 1: force from US. Two months ago, Susan Rice was still 1620 01:31:28,280 --> 01:31:30,439 Speaker 1: claiming that they gave up all their chemical weapons. And 1621 01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:33,320 Speaker 1: now we're facing the possibility, according to NBC News, of 1622 01:31:33,400 --> 01:31:37,400 Speaker 1: imminent US military action in reaction to what has happened 1623 01:31:38,200 --> 01:31:42,400 Speaker 1: in Syria in the last forty eight hours, that we 1624 01:31:42,479 --> 01:31:45,960 Speaker 1: may be striking Syria. I don't know if that's going 1625 01:31:46,000 --> 01:31:49,000 Speaker 1: to happen, and I certainly don't know what the response 1626 01:31:49,080 --> 01:31:51,280 Speaker 1: to that, what the second order effects could be. By 1627 01:31:51,320 --> 01:31:57,080 Speaker 1: the way, keep in mind, my friends, that it's not 1628 01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:01,720 Speaker 1: just in Syria that Assad and Rush and Iran can 1629 01:32:01,800 --> 01:32:06,240 Speaker 1: hit us. We are in a very tenuous position right 1630 01:32:06,240 --> 01:32:12,000 Speaker 1: now in Iraq. Yes. Isis is being driven out of Mosel. Yes, 1631 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:14,599 Speaker 1: the Iraqi government has managed to pull together a large 1632 01:32:14,640 --> 01:32:20,839 Speaker 1: coalition of different forces and of different ethnicities. Shia soon occurred, 1633 01:32:21,240 --> 01:32:24,200 Speaker 1: working together a hundred thousand plus of them all in 1634 01:32:24,200 --> 01:32:27,240 Speaker 1: in the Mosele area. But there are Shia militias that 1635 01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:29,800 Speaker 1: take their orders not from the Iraqi government but from 1636 01:32:29,800 --> 01:32:33,040 Speaker 1: the Iranian government that are still operating in that country. 1637 01:32:33,600 --> 01:32:37,400 Speaker 1: And we have thousands of US troops who, while not 1638 01:32:37,439 --> 01:32:40,479 Speaker 1: on the front lines, are still in Iraq in a 1639 01:32:40,560 --> 01:32:45,559 Speaker 1: battlefield and in a country that is at war if 1640 01:32:46,200 --> 01:32:50,080 Speaker 1: we go after Assad in a way that the Iranians 1641 01:32:50,120 --> 01:32:54,760 Speaker 1: feel is destabilizing to the Assad regime, I meant it's 1642 01:32:54,760 --> 01:32:58,599 Speaker 1: already destabilized. But if it puts Assad on the defensive 1643 01:32:58,600 --> 01:33:00,720 Speaker 1: and Samarias, let's say Assad lose is some territory of 1644 01:33:00,760 --> 01:33:04,880 Speaker 1: the Islamic State, they don't have to just try something 1645 01:33:04,920 --> 01:33:09,439 Speaker 1: in Syria. The Iranians are very adept at this. They 1646 01:33:09,439 --> 01:33:13,400 Speaker 1: may apply pressure elsewhere, they may activate cells even elsewhere. 1647 01:33:13,439 --> 01:33:18,440 Speaker 1: Hezbollah is an Iranian proxy. Hezbollah has cells and activities 1648 01:33:18,479 --> 01:33:21,160 Speaker 1: all over the world. We don't know what the response 1649 01:33:21,200 --> 01:33:23,800 Speaker 1: to it might be. So I'm just I'm not trying 1650 01:33:23,840 --> 01:33:29,960 Speaker 1: to sound um over anxious about this, but it's very 1651 01:33:30,040 --> 01:33:31,800 Speaker 1: easy to think we're just gonna send some missiles and 1652 01:33:31,800 --> 01:33:34,920 Speaker 1: that's all that's going to happen here. And David David 1653 01:33:34,920 --> 01:33:37,679 Speaker 1: French was absolutely right. This is not blowing up a 1654 01:33:37,800 --> 01:33:40,680 Speaker 1: terrorist training camp in Yemen where I mean, you know, 1655 01:33:40,680 --> 01:33:43,040 Speaker 1: Al Qaeda is gonna if Alkaeda wants to hit us, 1656 01:33:43,080 --> 01:33:44,599 Speaker 1: I mean, they're gonna hit us anyway. It doesn't matter 1657 01:33:44,600 --> 01:33:49,320 Speaker 1: when people up there camps or not. This involves nation 1658 01:33:49,400 --> 01:33:53,240 Speaker 1: states that have real reach, real militaries and are not 1659 01:33:53,360 --> 01:33:56,120 Speaker 1: restrained by the Geneva Conventions, the laws of war, or 1660 01:33:56,160 --> 01:33:59,479 Speaker 1: basic human morality. So there are real concerns to be 1661 01:33:59,560 --> 01:34:03,040 Speaker 1: had here that Susan Rice, the former National Security Advisor, 1662 01:34:03,640 --> 01:34:08,520 Speaker 1: was still really boasting about how brilliant the Obama administration 1663 01:34:08,800 --> 01:34:12,759 Speaker 1: her included was on the issue of dealing with serious 1664 01:34:12,800 --> 01:34:15,000 Speaker 1: chemical weapons, and we just had this chemical weapons attack. 1665 01:34:15,080 --> 01:34:18,639 Speaker 1: Let me bring this also up. These are the same 1666 01:34:18,720 --> 01:34:25,519 Speaker 1: people Hillary carry Rock, Susan Rice, go down the list. 1667 01:34:25,840 --> 01:34:28,840 Speaker 1: These are the same people who were promising that they're 1668 01:34:28,880 --> 01:34:32,519 Speaker 1: Iran deal was brilliant, that Iran is no longer going 1669 01:34:32,560 --> 01:34:34,720 Speaker 1: to be on a path nuclear weapons, and that we 1670 01:34:34,760 --> 01:34:37,200 Speaker 1: should trust their judgment, and that more or less they 1671 01:34:37,200 --> 01:34:39,800 Speaker 1: were smarter than the rest of us, and anybody who 1672 01:34:39,800 --> 01:34:42,840 Speaker 1: didn't go along with them just wanted war with Iran. Well, 1673 01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:44,559 Speaker 1: they were foolish enough to think that they got all 1674 01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:47,200 Speaker 1: the sods chemical weapons, and even more foolish to think 1675 01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,840 Speaker 1: that that mattered. They were wrong. Who wants to place 1676 01:34:51,960 --> 01:34:54,800 Speaker 1: a bet now, and it's a deadly serious issue, unfortunately, 1677 01:34:54,800 --> 01:34:57,000 Speaker 1: but who would want to place a bet now that 1678 01:34:57,120 --> 01:34:59,679 Speaker 1: in time, just as we saw they were wrong about 1679 01:34:59,760 --> 01:35:03,000 Speaker 1: US odd and chemical weapons and the impact that the 1680 01:35:03,080 --> 01:35:07,360 Speaker 1: deal would have on stopping violence in Syria. Who wants 1681 01:35:07,400 --> 01:35:13,160 Speaker 1: to bet that Obama, Carrie Hillary, Susan Rice, We're absolutely 1682 01:35:13,160 --> 01:35:15,840 Speaker 1: wrong when it came to when it comes to the 1683 01:35:15,880 --> 01:35:19,760 Speaker 1: Iran deal that they pushed through despite all of the objections, 1684 01:35:19,840 --> 01:35:21,840 Speaker 1: despite all of the US policy leading up to it. 1685 01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:24,479 Speaker 1: Problem with that one is, by the time we figure out, 1686 01:35:24,520 --> 01:35:27,520 Speaker 1: it may be far too late to do anything worthwhile 1687 01:35:27,920 --> 01:35:31,960 Speaker 1: to change it. Welcome back to the Freedom Hut on 1688 01:35:32,040 --> 01:35:35,240 Speaker 1: an island of liberty where you're the party and it's 1689 01:35:35,320 --> 01:35:40,880 Speaker 1: full of fellow patriots. Buck Sexton kicks it off the team. 1690 01:35:40,960 --> 01:35:43,240 Speaker 1: I want to bring on our next guys, But first 1691 01:35:43,320 --> 01:35:46,920 Speaker 1: I meant to ask our friend John Schindler, who who 1692 01:35:46,960 --> 01:35:49,440 Speaker 1: is a historian has written a book of history, um, 1693 01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:51,960 Speaker 1: more than one actually, but one on World War One, 1694 01:35:52,120 --> 01:35:56,920 Speaker 1: what his favorite World War One books are? And I 1695 01:35:57,840 --> 01:36:01,360 Speaker 1: asked him in the break just now. Uh, he wrote 1696 01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:04,160 Speaker 1: a book himself on World War One, Fall of the 1697 01:36:04,200 --> 01:36:08,280 Speaker 1: Double Eagle, the Battle for Galicia, and the Demise of 1698 01:36:08,320 --> 01:36:11,880 Speaker 1: Austria Hungary. So of course he's understandably proud author. He 1699 01:36:12,040 --> 01:36:14,679 Speaker 1: recommends that one. It's available. I see it now on Amazon. 1700 01:36:14,760 --> 01:36:17,799 Speaker 1: I'm gonna pick up a copy of it. Myself also 1701 01:36:18,280 --> 01:36:22,960 Speaker 1: for one volume World War One Histories, Huge Australian and 1702 01:36:23,080 --> 01:36:26,360 Speaker 1: John Keegan are the authors that he recommends a World 1703 01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:29,759 Speaker 1: War One history of I would recommend to you Barbara 1704 01:36:29,760 --> 01:36:33,240 Speaker 1: Tuckman's The Guns of August. It's so it's so good, 1705 01:36:33,439 --> 01:36:35,040 Speaker 1: but you'll get a few pages in here like this 1706 01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:38,760 Speaker 1: is incredible. Uh, it's it is hard to believe in 1707 01:36:38,800 --> 01:36:41,600 Speaker 1: the best sense, I mean, the historical research that she 1708 01:36:41,680 --> 01:36:44,439 Speaker 1: pulls together of what leads I mean World War One, 1709 01:36:44,960 --> 01:36:48,439 Speaker 1: the fact that it happened is and how it happened anyway, 1710 01:36:48,680 --> 01:36:51,040 Speaker 1: the Guns, because The Guns of August is really about 1711 01:36:51,320 --> 01:36:53,320 Speaker 1: the lead up and then the first month or so 1712 01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:55,719 Speaker 1: of conflict, the Battle of the Frontiers, which is among 1713 01:36:55,760 --> 01:37:00,439 Speaker 1: the bloodiest of the entire engagement. Uh. And it's it's fascinating. Uh, 1714 01:37:00,479 --> 01:37:03,640 Speaker 1: it really is. So the Guns of August that recommend you. 1715 01:37:03,680 --> 01:37:06,400 Speaker 1: And then also there's a novel that I remember reading 1716 01:37:06,439 --> 01:37:09,080 Speaker 1: a while back, Bird Song, which is about it's a 1717 01:37:09,120 --> 01:37:12,559 Speaker 1: historical novel about World War One that I really enjoyed. Uh. 1718 01:37:12,560 --> 01:37:14,160 Speaker 1: And then of course What is It All Quiet in 1719 01:37:14,160 --> 01:37:15,759 Speaker 1: the Western Front is probably one of the most famous 1720 01:37:15,760 --> 01:37:20,439 Speaker 1: books about war of all time. Um So anyway, Uh, 1721 01:37:20,560 --> 01:37:22,720 Speaker 1: those would be My recommendation would be Tuckman's The Guns 1722 01:37:22,720 --> 01:37:26,160 Speaker 1: of August and Bird's Song. John's book is The Fall 1723 01:37:26,200 --> 01:37:28,559 Speaker 1: of the Double Eagle. And you can also check out 1724 01:37:29,240 --> 01:37:32,360 Speaker 1: histories written by Hughestryan and John Kegan that are one 1725 01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:35,160 Speaker 1: volume World War One histories that are great overviews. Okay, 1726 01:37:35,880 --> 01:37:38,479 Speaker 1: Emily's a Nati is awesome and so patient. She lets 1727 01:37:38,479 --> 01:37:40,559 Speaker 1: me go on little rants even though she's on hold 1728 01:37:40,680 --> 01:37:43,200 Speaker 1: our guest. Emily is a naughty now political editor at 1729 01:37:43,200 --> 01:37:46,120 Speaker 1: heat Street and all around amazing lady. Thank you so 1730 01:37:46,200 --> 01:37:49,920 Speaker 1: much for calling it Emily problem. All right, let's talk 1731 01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,040 Speaker 1: about Let's talk about some stuff. Let's talk without some 1732 01:37:52,080 --> 01:37:55,519 Speaker 1: of the things a lot on a lot on heat Street. 1733 01:37:56,200 --> 01:38:00,680 Speaker 1: And let's begin with Chelsea Clinton dolling out advice success 1734 01:38:01,360 --> 01:38:05,400 Speaker 1: despite never having had any tell me about this. So 1735 01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:10,160 Speaker 1: Chelsea Clinton is on a tour of media outlets and 1736 01:38:10,200 --> 01:38:13,600 Speaker 1: sort of advice colins, and she's been giving well, not 1737 01:38:13,640 --> 01:38:17,439 Speaker 1: only receiving Lifetime Achievement awards for really not having doing 1738 01:38:17,600 --> 01:38:21,479 Speaker 1: anything in her lifetime, but she's also doling out advice 1739 01:38:21,640 --> 01:38:25,840 Speaker 1: for millennial females who are looking for success. And she 1740 01:38:26,000 --> 01:38:28,960 Speaker 1: went on LEVO l E v O which is a 1741 01:38:29,439 --> 01:38:33,960 Speaker 1: organization that tries to match up millennial women with mentors 1742 01:38:33,960 --> 01:38:36,639 Speaker 1: who have been through the business system. They've achieved really 1743 01:38:36,720 --> 01:38:40,040 Speaker 1: high levels in their life. And Chelsea Clinton has done 1744 01:38:40,080 --> 01:38:42,720 Speaker 1: the latest interview and says, if you're afraid to ask 1745 01:38:42,800 --> 01:38:45,639 Speaker 1: for a raise, or you're afraid to ask for time off, 1746 01:38:45,800 --> 01:38:48,120 Speaker 1: don't be afraid, because they'll definitely give in to you. 1747 01:38:48,760 --> 01:38:51,439 Speaker 1: Of course, you know, her name is Clinton and she 1748 01:38:51,640 --> 01:38:55,479 Speaker 1: actually hasn't earned anything in her whole life. But you know, 1749 01:38:55,840 --> 01:38:57,799 Speaker 1: you never know, maybe her advice will come in handy 1750 01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:01,599 Speaker 1: the lack of self awareness that she has, or maybe 1751 01:39:01,600 --> 01:39:05,360 Speaker 1: she's aware it actually believes that she's just so awesome. 1752 01:39:05,800 --> 01:39:10,160 Speaker 1: It is one of the most annoying to me. One 1753 01:39:10,160 --> 01:39:13,400 Speaker 1: of the most annoying traits of of our generation, Emily, 1754 01:39:13,960 --> 01:39:16,200 Speaker 1: is that you know, the generation above us was able 1755 01:39:16,240 --> 01:39:21,440 Speaker 1: to acquire uh professional and material success that has really 1756 01:39:21,560 --> 01:39:24,760 Speaker 1: exceeded anything that anybody would have imagined for the generations 1757 01:39:24,800 --> 01:39:27,840 Speaker 1: before that, and that has meant that there is an 1758 01:39:28,000 --> 01:39:32,960 Speaker 1: entire echelon of American American society that are millennials are 1759 01:39:33,000 --> 01:39:35,559 Speaker 1: close to it around our age who have have been 1760 01:39:35,600 --> 01:39:38,960 Speaker 1: given not just wealth but everything. Right. The job is 1761 01:39:39,000 --> 01:39:41,400 Speaker 1: the money and all this stuff. And that's fine because 1762 01:39:41,439 --> 01:39:44,000 Speaker 1: we live in a capitalist society and inheritance is important 1763 01:39:44,000 --> 01:39:47,160 Speaker 1: and all that. I get that, But the look at me, 1764 01:39:47,560 --> 01:39:50,480 Speaker 1: I made it on my own, I'm so awesome mentality 1765 01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:53,040 Speaker 1: that some of them, like Chelsea Clinton, and I must 1766 01:39:53,040 --> 01:39:55,280 Speaker 1: admit some others on the other side of the I'll 1767 01:39:55,280 --> 01:39:59,680 Speaker 1: have is very hard to stomach. It really is, it 1768 01:39:59,760 --> 01:40:02,720 Speaker 1: really is. And I think we have this tendency. I 1769 01:40:02,720 --> 01:40:05,559 Speaker 1: guess not me. I mean I worked really hard, but 1770 01:40:06,000 --> 01:40:09,040 Speaker 1: a lot of my generation has this tendency to define 1771 01:40:09,120 --> 01:40:12,720 Speaker 1: success really strangely, like I am a huge success if 1772 01:40:12,720 --> 01:40:14,280 Speaker 1: I get out of bed in the morning and put 1773 01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,120 Speaker 1: on pants, Like for a lot of millennials, that is 1774 01:40:17,160 --> 01:40:21,000 Speaker 1: a huge day. That sounds awesome. I wake up every 1775 01:40:21,080 --> 01:40:23,240 Speaker 1: day and I'm like, I'm not doing enough. I am 1776 01:40:23,240 --> 01:40:25,679 Speaker 1: not successful enough. I have to I wish I could 1777 01:40:25,720 --> 01:40:27,680 Speaker 1: switch this. I wish I could hit the switch of 1778 01:40:27,680 --> 01:40:30,000 Speaker 1: the brain where just getting up and like putting on 1779 01:40:30,080 --> 01:40:31,880 Speaker 1: pants and going to get coffee makes me a hero, 1780 01:40:32,040 --> 01:40:35,519 Speaker 1: because that would be great, That would be really great. 1781 01:40:35,560 --> 01:40:37,760 Speaker 1: I mean I didn't have, you know, five or six 1782 01:40:37,760 --> 01:40:40,960 Speaker 1: stories to turn in after that coffee be awesome. Yeah, 1783 01:40:41,080 --> 01:40:43,840 Speaker 1: I can imagine. So all right, so Chelsea Clinton, do 1784 01:40:43,840 --> 01:40:45,920 Speaker 1: you think she's gonna run by the way? I just 1785 01:40:46,200 --> 01:40:49,479 Speaker 1: I hope she does, because the mockery opportunities will be endless. 1786 01:40:49,880 --> 01:40:51,439 Speaker 1: But there's a part of me that feels like this 1787 01:40:51,479 --> 01:40:54,920 Speaker 1: is somebody who she she did that that that typical 1788 01:40:55,840 --> 01:40:59,040 Speaker 1: hyper privileged move of you know, I'm going to show up. 1789 01:40:59,040 --> 01:41:00,800 Speaker 1: But I think she worked at mc kinsey, which, for 1790 01:41:00,800 --> 01:41:05,200 Speaker 1: those listening, is a very elite management consulting firm. It's 1791 01:41:05,200 --> 01:41:07,640 Speaker 1: sort of the goldmen Sacks of management consultants. So the 1792 01:41:07,720 --> 01:41:09,639 Speaker 1: people that work for Bain right now are like boo, 1793 01:41:09,760 --> 01:41:12,479 Speaker 1: but you know, same idea. Uh and and but she 1794 01:41:12,520 --> 01:41:14,200 Speaker 1: went there for like a little bit and then left, 1795 01:41:14,600 --> 01:41:16,400 Speaker 1: and she went somewhere else with a fence, you know. 1796 01:41:16,479 --> 01:41:18,840 Speaker 1: And she's got a couple of degrees but never use them. 1797 01:41:19,479 --> 01:41:23,560 Speaker 1: And it just is all so phony at such a facade. 1798 01:41:24,000 --> 01:41:26,519 Speaker 1: You know, there are really two kinds of people in 1799 01:41:26,880 --> 01:41:29,680 Speaker 1: America right now. Those who have showed up to a 1800 01:41:29,760 --> 01:41:33,799 Speaker 1: job where they couldn't afford to get fired, where nobody 1801 01:41:33,840 --> 01:41:36,800 Speaker 1: cared that they were there, where they were totally replaceable, 1802 01:41:37,240 --> 01:41:39,880 Speaker 1: and they were under this, you know, having to deal 1803 01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:42,200 Speaker 1: with all of that stress and nobody was being nice 1804 01:41:42,200 --> 01:41:43,679 Speaker 1: to them, and they just had to make it work. 1805 01:41:43,880 --> 01:41:46,120 Speaker 1: And people who haven't had that experience, you know, that's 1806 01:41:46,160 --> 01:41:48,240 Speaker 1: really that That's that's how I see it, at least 1807 01:41:48,240 --> 01:41:50,320 Speaker 1: if you've either had that or you haven't, and Chelsea 1808 01:41:50,320 --> 01:41:53,880 Speaker 1: Clinton hasn't had that experience. Actually, what she does right 1809 01:41:53,880 --> 01:41:57,000 Speaker 1: now is she's on the board of directors for Expedia 1810 01:41:57,120 --> 01:42:00,960 Speaker 1: and for Expedia's parent company, Interactive Corporation, and she shows 1811 01:42:01,040 --> 01:42:03,040 Speaker 1: up to their board meetings a couple of times a 1812 01:42:03,120 --> 01:42:06,559 Speaker 1: year and actually earns a stipend from those positions. So 1813 01:42:06,680 --> 01:42:09,960 Speaker 1: in total, she earns about six hundred and fifty thousand 1814 01:42:10,000 --> 01:42:13,720 Speaker 1: dollars a year for showing up maybe four days a 1815 01:42:13,800 --> 01:42:16,400 Speaker 1: year to work. So it's actually a really good gig. 1816 01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,479 Speaker 1: I'm I'm I'm getting angry. I'm sitting here and getting 1817 01:42:21,640 --> 01:42:23,960 Speaker 1: and getting more and more annoyed by the second here. 1818 01:42:24,000 --> 01:42:26,720 Speaker 1: And she also gets paid fifty dollars of speech. I mean, 1819 01:42:26,760 --> 01:42:28,880 Speaker 1: the the one time, and I'm not trying to be mean. 1820 01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:31,320 Speaker 1: She's a public figure. Now, she's out there. She says 1821 01:42:31,320 --> 01:42:33,760 Speaker 1: she's running. She wants to lecture people on how to 1822 01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:36,080 Speaker 1: be successful. She wants to give speeches for fifty or 1823 01:42:36,120 --> 01:42:39,080 Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars a pop. She's out there fine. Um. 1824 01:42:39,960 --> 01:42:43,240 Speaker 1: The the one interview that I saw her do on 1825 01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:45,960 Speaker 1: what was the show called Rock Center? Is that it 1826 01:42:46,000 --> 01:42:47,680 Speaker 1: was Rock Center, Right, I was gonna say thirty Rock 1827 01:42:47,760 --> 01:42:50,840 Speaker 1: that's the comedy show I like Williams. Right, Oh yeah, 1828 01:42:50,880 --> 01:42:53,600 Speaker 1: Brian Williams. I forgot about that. The one interview I 1829 01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:56,639 Speaker 1: saw her doing Rock Center. It will If I had 1830 01:42:56,760 --> 01:43:00,160 Speaker 1: picked a a ninth grader at random and say hey, 1831 01:43:00,200 --> 01:43:01,800 Speaker 1: do you want to do an interview on national TV, 1832 01:43:02,400 --> 01:43:04,000 Speaker 1: it would have been better than the interview she did 1833 01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:07,599 Speaker 1: in Rock Center. And that's not an exaggeration. No. In fact, 1834 01:43:07,640 --> 01:43:11,240 Speaker 1: she actually isn't that interesting. Even in the video that 1835 01:43:11,280 --> 01:43:14,200 Speaker 1: I reported on when she's talking, she doesn't sound like 1836 01:43:14,280 --> 01:43:16,720 Speaker 1: she has the experience. She doesn't really sound like she's 1837 01:43:16,720 --> 01:43:19,800 Speaker 1: giving you any advice that you really need. She's just 1838 01:43:19,880 --> 01:43:22,160 Speaker 1: sort of filling in the blanks because she thinks she 1839 01:43:22,240 --> 01:43:25,400 Speaker 1: needs to do that in order to justify fifty or 1840 01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:29,000 Speaker 1: sixty thousand dollars per speech. Yeah, all right, I'll stop that, 1841 01:43:29,080 --> 01:43:31,320 Speaker 1: Chelsea Bashet for now. That's so fun, though, But I 1842 01:43:31,520 --> 01:43:33,280 Speaker 1: gotta I gotta stop, I gotta stop. But I only 1843 01:43:33,320 --> 01:43:35,040 Speaker 1: do it on the substance. Everybody, I don't do the 1844 01:43:35,040 --> 01:43:37,719 Speaker 1: mean stuff. Um No, I know you know that, Emily. 1845 01:43:37,720 --> 01:43:39,320 Speaker 1: I'm like the nicest guy ever. But I'm just saying 1846 01:43:39,320 --> 01:43:41,960 Speaker 1: for those listening, I I keep it on the substance. Okay, 1847 01:43:42,400 --> 01:43:46,120 Speaker 1: speaking of substance, tell me about actually do you have 1848 01:43:46,200 --> 01:43:49,120 Speaker 1: Do you have some thoughts on the whole Steve benn In, uh, 1849 01:43:49,439 --> 01:43:52,880 Speaker 1: shake up and Kushner and the mean words that reported today? 1850 01:43:52,880 --> 01:43:54,479 Speaker 1: Do you have some stuff on that? What are you hearing? 1851 01:43:55,320 --> 01:43:57,600 Speaker 1: This has been really interesting. So we've been following the 1852 01:43:57,600 --> 01:44:00,599 Speaker 1: story for a little while. When we started hear rumors 1853 01:44:00,720 --> 01:44:05,479 Speaker 1: coming out of the Oval Office, bad rumors about Jared Kushner. 1854 01:44:05,760 --> 01:44:08,000 Speaker 1: We started to get all of these tips and these 1855 01:44:08,040 --> 01:44:12,120 Speaker 1: weird like hints that things were not going well within 1856 01:44:12,240 --> 01:44:16,000 Speaker 1: the President's inner circle. And it's sort of exploded this week. 1857 01:44:16,080 --> 01:44:18,880 Speaker 1: So Steve Bannon was supposed to be on the National 1858 01:44:18,920 --> 01:44:22,559 Speaker 1: Security Council, a seat at the National Security Council. He 1859 01:44:23,000 --> 01:44:26,760 Speaker 1: this week was basically booted off. The President signed the 1860 01:44:26,840 --> 01:44:28,960 Speaker 1: final copy of who was going to be on the 1861 01:44:29,040 --> 01:44:31,479 Speaker 1: National Security Council, and it now includes the Director of 1862 01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,599 Speaker 1: National Intelligence and the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of staff, 1863 01:44:34,680 --> 01:44:39,200 Speaker 1: but not Steve Bannon, and his office says that he 1864 01:44:40,040 --> 01:44:46,040 Speaker 1: voluntarily left the National Security Council because General Flynn was 1865 01:44:46,120 --> 01:44:48,439 Speaker 1: no longer on it and nobody needed to keep check 1866 01:44:48,479 --> 01:44:51,360 Speaker 1: on General Flynn. Well, now today we're starting to hear 1867 01:44:51,360 --> 01:44:55,240 Speaker 1: that Bannon actually threatened to quit the White House if 1868 01:44:55,280 --> 01:44:58,400 Speaker 1: Donald Trump took him off the National Security Council, and 1869 01:44:58,479 --> 01:45:01,240 Speaker 1: he has said or US as close to him said 1870 01:45:01,560 --> 01:45:05,559 Speaker 1: that bad information is coming on Jared Kushner. So we 1871 01:45:05,600 --> 01:45:08,240 Speaker 1: should see a whole massive drop I hear in the 1872 01:45:08,280 --> 01:45:12,120 Speaker 1: next couple of weeks. You know, it's interesting. I'm just 1873 01:45:12,160 --> 01:45:15,639 Speaker 1: going to put this out there that the uh, this 1874 01:45:15,720 --> 01:45:20,640 Speaker 1: White House in particular has a lot of power in 1875 01:45:20,840 --> 01:45:24,799 Speaker 1: media and meaning that I don't mean like, oh, Trump's 1876 01:45:24,800 --> 01:45:27,080 Speaker 1: tweets get media attention. No, No, I'm saying that this 1877 01:45:27,120 --> 01:45:31,160 Speaker 1: White House the people that are calling the shots, I know, 1878 01:45:31,360 --> 01:45:34,960 Speaker 1: the people who own all the me I mean, do 1879 01:45:35,040 --> 01:45:36,479 Speaker 1: they know the people that are calling the shots and 1880 01:45:36,600 --> 01:45:39,519 Speaker 1: all of the major Now you know you have Trump 1881 01:45:39,560 --> 01:45:41,840 Speaker 1: writing an email I'm sure you saw this to Jeff 1882 01:45:41,960 --> 01:45:45,120 Speaker 1: Zucker calling him the most disloyal person ever, saying he 1883 01:45:45,160 --> 01:45:47,599 Speaker 1: got him the job, and basically saying I'm gonna get even. 1884 01:45:48,000 --> 01:45:49,560 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, when you're running that to the 1885 01:45:49,600 --> 01:45:52,040 Speaker 1: head of CNN, clearly you think you've got some cloud. 1886 01:45:52,320 --> 01:45:54,240 Speaker 1: And and well that was before he was well no, 1887 01:45:54,360 --> 01:45:56,960 Speaker 1: I guess that was after he became president. Actually just 1888 01:45:57,080 --> 01:45:59,760 Speaker 1: a couple of weeks ago, was it really? I thought 1889 01:45:59,760 --> 01:46:03,000 Speaker 1: it was right after the election. Oh man, it was 1890 01:46:03,080 --> 01:46:06,519 Speaker 1: just a few weeks ago. I guess Trump is amazing period. 1891 01:46:06,640 --> 01:46:08,639 Speaker 1: But I love I love this guy. I love them 1892 01:46:08,600 --> 01:46:15,320 Speaker 1: more each day now. I love that's amazing, incredible ride. 1893 01:46:15,360 --> 01:46:18,200 Speaker 1: And and reporters really do value what the Trump white 1894 01:46:18,200 --> 01:46:20,519 Speaker 1: House thinks about them. They don't seem to indicate that 1895 01:46:20,600 --> 01:46:23,679 Speaker 1: on Twitter when they're ragging on the people close to Trump, 1896 01:46:24,040 --> 01:46:27,200 Speaker 1: but they really do think hard about what Trump's going 1897 01:46:27,280 --> 01:46:29,160 Speaker 1: to think about them when they tweet something or when 1898 01:46:29,160 --> 01:46:32,640 Speaker 1: they write yeah, we get letters directly back from the 1899 01:46:32,640 --> 01:46:35,280 Speaker 1: White House. So so it is it's a back and 1900 01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,400 Speaker 1: force between the media and the White House all the time. 1901 01:46:38,479 --> 01:46:40,880 Speaker 1: I but I what I'm my prediction here is that 1902 01:46:40,960 --> 01:46:43,759 Speaker 1: you will see in time if this White House really 1903 01:46:43,800 --> 01:46:46,759 Speaker 1: does run into some walls and have some big trouble 1904 01:46:46,960 --> 01:46:51,120 Speaker 1: and and there's dissension among the ranks within the GOP, 1905 01:46:51,800 --> 01:46:53,840 Speaker 1: then you'll start to see people in the media that 1906 01:46:53,880 --> 01:46:58,200 Speaker 1: are willing to talk more openly about this White House 1907 01:46:58,479 --> 01:47:01,120 Speaker 1: and different figures associated with that. I think right now 1908 01:47:01,160 --> 01:47:03,280 Speaker 1: there is a chilling effect because a lot of people 1909 01:47:03,680 --> 01:47:06,960 Speaker 1: work for newser organizations that a bad call from the 1910 01:47:06,960 --> 01:47:10,320 Speaker 1: White House is very bad news for them. It is, 1911 01:47:10,439 --> 01:47:13,040 Speaker 1: and you also have to double check yourself. A lot 1912 01:47:13,439 --> 01:47:15,920 Speaker 1: official stuff that comes out of the White House has 1913 01:47:15,960 --> 01:47:18,439 Speaker 1: to get a twenty four hour maturing period. We have 1914 01:47:18,560 --> 01:47:20,519 Speaker 1: to know a little bit more about what comes out 1915 01:47:20,520 --> 01:47:24,040 Speaker 1: of the White House. But also people are waking like 1916 01:47:24,200 --> 01:47:26,880 Speaker 1: crazy deep state. We you know, we know about the 1917 01:47:26,880 --> 01:47:29,040 Speaker 1: deep State and the people at the State Department who 1918 01:47:29,080 --> 01:47:31,920 Speaker 1: constantly talked to the media, but within the Oval Office 1919 01:47:31,920 --> 01:47:33,920 Speaker 1: in West Wing there are also people who talk to 1920 01:47:33,960 --> 01:47:37,160 Speaker 1: the media. So it takes a little while to sift 1921 01:47:37,280 --> 01:47:40,240 Speaker 1: through all of these things that come our way because 1922 01:47:40,280 --> 01:47:42,479 Speaker 1: there's just so much of it, and so much of 1923 01:47:42,479 --> 01:47:45,679 Speaker 1: it is rumor. Miss Steve Bann and Jared Kushner fight 1924 01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:49,000 Speaker 1: seems to be the latest thing that's trying to distract 1925 01:47:49,160 --> 01:47:51,439 Speaker 1: us from all the other stuff that's going on in 1926 01:47:51,479 --> 01:47:53,719 Speaker 1: the White House. But it is an interesting topic because 1927 01:47:54,040 --> 01:47:57,639 Speaker 1: we get an inside view of this court, This court 1928 01:47:57,720 --> 01:48:01,080 Speaker 1: dissension that's happening around Donald Trump, and it's it's fascinating. 1929 01:48:01,120 --> 01:48:04,479 Speaker 1: It's almost like a soap opera. Yeah, the internal dynamics 1930 01:48:04,479 --> 01:48:07,240 Speaker 1: of this White House are certainly they certainly make for 1931 01:48:07,280 --> 01:48:09,840 Speaker 1: good reading. So so there's that. But anyway, if you 1932 01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:13,400 Speaker 1: get more on that, Emily, let us know and tell 1933 01:48:13,439 --> 01:48:17,080 Speaker 1: me about I want. Oh yeah, what is the terrorists? 1934 01:48:17,280 --> 01:48:21,719 Speaker 1: Chic top Shop under fire for cultural appropriation over their 1935 01:48:21,760 --> 01:48:26,240 Speaker 1: scarf print romper? What? Yeah? So top Shop decided to 1936 01:48:26,280 --> 01:48:29,000 Speaker 1: make the Cafiat scarf? What's what's a what's the top shop? 1937 01:48:29,840 --> 01:48:32,559 Speaker 1: Top Shop is a women's online retailer in the US. 1938 01:48:32,680 --> 01:48:35,160 Speaker 1: I think they have small pop up shops in nords 1939 01:48:35,160 --> 01:48:37,519 Speaker 1: from if you go to Nordstroms, you can shop at 1940 01:48:37,520 --> 01:48:41,479 Speaker 1: top shops. It decided to turn the Cafiat scarf, which 1941 01:48:41,560 --> 01:48:45,920 Speaker 1: is a traditional symbol of Palestinian resistance, but also we'ren't 1942 01:48:45,960 --> 01:48:50,080 Speaker 1: by terrorists, into a romper for all of your summer funds. 1943 01:48:50,120 --> 01:48:53,200 Speaker 1: So you can run around coach Holla wearing a romper 1944 01:48:53,360 --> 01:48:58,720 Speaker 1: that signifies your commitment to the Indo fada. I guess wait, 1945 01:48:58,720 --> 01:49:00,679 Speaker 1: but this is cool, but this must be upsetting people 1946 01:49:00,680 --> 01:49:03,679 Speaker 1: as the cultural appropriation part of it, right, it is, 1947 01:49:03,760 --> 01:49:07,240 Speaker 1: so the last isn't this upset that this might have 1948 01:49:07,560 --> 01:49:11,439 Speaker 1: connections to terrorism? They're upset as a Palestinians made this 1949 01:49:11,520 --> 01:49:15,439 Speaker 1: part of their cultural lexicon, and top shops just used 1950 01:49:15,479 --> 01:49:17,639 Speaker 1: it and turned it into a romper. So they're getting 1951 01:49:17,720 --> 01:49:19,640 Speaker 1: hit from the last and from the right for the 1952 01:49:19,680 --> 01:49:22,839 Speaker 1: first time on cultural appropriation. Everyone's on the same page. 1953 01:49:23,080 --> 01:49:24,719 Speaker 1: And you know, the only time that I think cultural 1954 01:49:24,720 --> 01:49:29,040 Speaker 1: appropriation might be might be a fair accusation, at least 1955 01:49:29,040 --> 01:49:31,720 Speaker 1: from from what I see in the media. I was 1956 01:49:31,760 --> 01:49:34,120 Speaker 1: reminded of it recently as I was trying to watch 1957 01:49:34,200 --> 01:49:37,760 Speaker 1: Iron Fist on Netflix, which is terrible, by the way, 1958 01:49:37,800 --> 01:49:41,360 Speaker 1: And I'm somebody who likes comic book superhero stuff. I 1959 01:49:41,360 --> 01:49:44,479 Speaker 1: thought Daredevil on Netflix is really good. But Iron Fist, 1960 01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:48,960 Speaker 1: how many guys who look like surfers from California really 1961 01:49:48,960 --> 01:49:52,240 Speaker 1: find themselves training with Shaolin monks and coming back as 1962 01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:55,200 Speaker 1: like kung Fu super Ninja's I think it's I think 1963 01:49:55,200 --> 01:49:57,400 Speaker 1: it's pretty. I think it's a rare thing. But yet 1964 01:49:57,479 --> 01:49:59,920 Speaker 1: this is the plot of many shows and many move 1965 01:50:00,880 --> 01:50:03,519 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, absolutely, it's not just a plot of Iron Fist, 1966 01:50:03,560 --> 01:50:05,360 Speaker 1: But that's a plot of doctor strange. You have all 1967 01:50:05,360 --> 01:50:08,599 Speaker 1: of these like high placed, well off young guys who 1968 01:50:08,760 --> 01:50:11,960 Speaker 1: go off and just train and mystical arts and come 1969 01:50:12,000 --> 01:50:14,479 Speaker 1: back with amazing powers. Yeah. I mean, look, you know, 1970 01:50:14,760 --> 01:50:16,880 Speaker 1: I'll let it go on Batman because at least Batman 1971 01:50:16,920 --> 01:50:20,400 Speaker 1: begins was was good. But this is like the recurring thing. 1972 01:50:20,439 --> 01:50:22,400 Speaker 1: And in the eighties when they used to there was 1973 01:50:22,439 --> 01:50:25,080 Speaker 1: a whole ninja movie explosion. There are a lot of 1974 01:50:25,080 --> 01:50:27,680 Speaker 1: movies about actual ninja's and I just always it was 1975 01:50:27,720 --> 01:50:33,360 Speaker 1: always like a guy named John from you know, Utah 1976 01:50:33,640 --> 01:50:36,280 Speaker 1: is adopted by a Shaloon monk for some reason and 1977 01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,439 Speaker 1: trained from playing That's like a bunch of Chuck Norris 1978 01:50:38,479 --> 01:50:40,839 Speaker 1: movies like this. I'm like, I don't think this happens 1979 01:50:40,880 --> 01:50:44,760 Speaker 1: that often everybody. How Come I didn't get dumped by 1980 01:50:44,800 --> 01:50:46,760 Speaker 1: my parents And I'm not gonna lie. When I was 1981 01:50:46,800 --> 01:50:48,559 Speaker 1: a teenager, I was like, I want to get adopted 1982 01:50:48,560 --> 01:50:50,599 Speaker 1: by some shalon monks for a while and learn like, 1983 01:50:50,760 --> 01:50:55,160 Speaker 1: you know, uh, tiger style and praying mantis and all 1984 01:50:55,200 --> 01:50:57,920 Speaker 1: that stuff. But it never happened. It never happened. In fact, 1985 01:50:58,000 --> 01:50:59,360 Speaker 1: I think my parents pointed out to me, They're like, 1986 01:50:59,400 --> 01:51:02,200 Speaker 1: you know that at the monastery places, there's there's a 1987 01:51:02,200 --> 01:51:06,240 Speaker 1: lot of meditation and solitude and like you eat food 1988 01:51:06,240 --> 01:51:07,840 Speaker 1: and like a little bowl and you don't get to 1989 01:51:07,920 --> 01:51:10,240 Speaker 1: order in all the time. And I'm like, you raise 1990 01:51:10,280 --> 01:51:13,920 Speaker 1: good points parental units. But I would also be a ninja, 1991 01:51:14,120 --> 01:51:16,960 Speaker 1: so that would be amazing, I guess, so yeah, backflips 1992 01:51:16,960 --> 01:51:19,920 Speaker 1: and stuff that'd be kind of cool. All right, Well, Emily, um, 1993 01:51:20,240 --> 01:51:23,040 Speaker 1: we're at time, but do come back against soon. Tell 1994 01:51:23,120 --> 01:51:25,000 Speaker 1: us what's going on. Emily so Naughty is a political 1995 01:51:25,080 --> 01:51:27,840 Speaker 1: editor at heat Street. Heat street dot com is where 1996 01:51:27,840 --> 01:51:29,679 Speaker 1: you want to reach your stuff. Emily, thanks for hanging out, 1997 01:51:30,640 --> 01:51:37,120 Speaker 1: Thanks for having me. Looks like there's a media countdown 1998 01:51:37,200 --> 01:51:42,479 Speaker 1: underway right now to expected military action against Assad in 1999 01:51:42,520 --> 01:51:45,560 Speaker 1: Syria in response to the chemical weapons attack against civilians 2000 01:51:45,560 --> 01:51:49,240 Speaker 1: earlier this week. We will stay on that story and 2001 01:51:49,280 --> 01:51:53,320 Speaker 1: obviously have any updates for you when we convene tomorrow night, 2002 01:51:53,479 --> 01:51:57,400 Speaker 1: as well as in depth analysis. I want to get 2003 01:51:57,680 --> 01:52:00,320 Speaker 1: David and Oklahoma on the I Heart app. And now, David, 2004 01:52:00,320 --> 01:52:06,160 Speaker 1: thanks for holding a buck. Uh, good to talk with you. 2005 01:52:06,479 --> 01:52:09,519 Speaker 1: Been with you since you're Saturday Day. Wow original squad. Okay, 2006 01:52:09,520 --> 01:52:13,439 Speaker 1: then thank you, yes sir Uh also a fellow gray 2007 01:52:13,439 --> 01:52:17,960 Speaker 1: Beard millennial as well. I want to say, we have 2008 01:52:18,120 --> 01:52:22,719 Speaker 1: no business getting involved in Syria. Uh, it's a giant 2009 01:52:22,800 --> 01:52:27,480 Speaker 1: mess and all the implications that could entail with Russia, 2010 01:52:27,920 --> 01:52:31,200 Speaker 1: with them back in Assad and all of that. I 2011 01:52:31,240 --> 01:52:34,120 Speaker 1: don't think all these people, these pundits are going on TV. 2012 01:52:35,720 --> 01:52:38,800 Speaker 1: I don't think they've counted the cost on the human 2013 01:52:38,880 --> 01:52:42,759 Speaker 1: life toll. Uh. I've got several friends, even some family 2014 01:52:42,760 --> 01:52:47,200 Speaker 1: members that we're wounded over in Iraq, in Afghanistan, and 2015 01:52:48,640 --> 01:52:50,559 Speaker 1: we shouldn't be all they're fighting for people that don't 2016 01:52:50,560 --> 01:52:53,240 Speaker 1: want to be free. You know, there's a lot of them. 2017 01:52:53,400 --> 01:52:56,280 Speaker 1: This sounds harsh, and I know it. It's bad, but 2018 01:52:57,560 --> 01:52:59,720 Speaker 1: people shouldn't be fleeing the country. If they really want it, 2019 01:52:59,720 --> 01:53:02,680 Speaker 1: they stand and fight. It's it. Look, it's it's not 2020 01:53:02,800 --> 01:53:06,760 Speaker 1: our It's not our fight, meaning that just destroying Assad 2021 01:53:06,760 --> 01:53:11,040 Speaker 1: and and stabilizing Syria afterwards is not our fight. Um. 2022 01:53:11,080 --> 01:53:13,800 Speaker 1: And I don't think the administration will go down that path. 2023 01:53:13,840 --> 01:53:16,320 Speaker 1: But I'm starting to worry that there has been a 2024 01:53:16,479 --> 01:53:18,840 Speaker 1: turn in public opinion and they may follow it. But 2025 01:53:19,080 --> 01:53:20,799 Speaker 1: we will see. We'll have a lot on this tomorrow. 2026 01:53:21,320 --> 01:53:23,200 Speaker 1: I have some I'm already reaching out some of my 2027 01:53:23,240 --> 01:53:26,880 Speaker 1: friends who are top of the field in uh intelnmilitary 2028 01:53:26,920 --> 01:53:28,760 Speaker 1: analysis and see who can who can join to talk 2029 01:53:28,760 --> 01:53:30,680 Speaker 1: about this. David Shield him Man, thank you very much 2030 01:53:30,720 --> 01:53:33,519 Speaker 1: for calling in. 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