1 00:00:00,880 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: From our nation. I'll talk here in Washington, d C 2 00:00:03,800 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: turns to President elect Joe Biden's administration. Speaker Pelosi has 3 00:00:07,640 --> 00:00:10,680 Speaker 1: beat the political odds and reclaimed the galvil. We're talking 4 00:00:10,840 --> 00:00:16,120 Speaker 1: right now about jockeying amongst Republicans. Bloomberg Sound On, the insiders, 5 00:00:16,239 --> 00:00:20,200 Speaker 1: the influencers, the inside fiding has comments again and again, 6 00:00:20,280 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: a cable to unite the country. The only way things 7 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:26,599 Speaker 1: happened if Republicans Democrats has work together. Unfortunately for President 8 00:00:26,600 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: elect Brida, this is a time when he's getting the 9 00:00:28,920 --> 00:00:31,680 Speaker 1: most support he's gonna get in the Democratic Party. This 10 00:00:32,120 --> 00:00:36,560 Speaker 1: is Bloomberg Sound On with Levin Shirley on Bloomberg Radio. 11 00:00:37,520 --> 00:00:41,880 Speaker 1: Ready set showtime. I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent for 12 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. We've got a jam 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:49,160 Speaker 1: packed hour. We begin tonight with sound on tape from 14 00:00:49,200 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 1: President Donald Trump, who urged Georgia election officials to find 15 00:00:54,120 --> 00:00:58,760 Speaker 1: his words, find thousands of votes, and recalculate the election 16 00:00:58,840 --> 00:01:02,720 Speaker 1: result to flip the state to him. It's an extraordinary 17 00:01:02,800 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: effort to strong arm fellow Republicans as he tries to 18 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,400 Speaker 1: dispute Joe Biden's election win just now forty eight hours 19 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:14,119 Speaker 1: until the Senate and the Congress is set to certify 20 00:01:14,360 --> 00:01:17,880 Speaker 1: those election results. Take a listen. All I want to 21 00:01:17,920 --> 00:01:22,039 Speaker 1: do is this. I just want to find uh eleven 22 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: thousand looks, which is one more that we have. Meanwhile, 23 00:01:29,720 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: President elect Joe Biden set to be delivering a speech 24 00:01:32,720 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 1: in Georgia just within the next uh several minutes, will 25 00:01:35,680 --> 00:01:39,039 Speaker 1: be monitoring for those headlines. And Vice President elect Kamala 26 00:01:39,080 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: Harris is slamming President Trump for his call with Georgia's 27 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: Secretary of State. Here she is and it was a 28 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:52,360 Speaker 1: ball ball faith bold abuse of power by the President 29 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 1: of the United States. Joining me with me Rick Davis, 30 00:01:55,960 --> 00:01:59,680 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg contributor, partner at Stone Court Capital and former 31 00:01:59,760 --> 00:02:02,360 Speaker 1: camp Pain manager for John McCain's two thousand and eight 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,960 Speaker 1: presidential campaign, and Joe Crowley, a former New York congressman 33 00:02:06,160 --> 00:02:10,000 Speaker 1: and of course, former Democratic Caucus chairman. Thank you, gentlemen 34 00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:11,840 Speaker 1: both for being here. Rick, I'll start with you. I mean, 35 00:02:11,880 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 1: we go through this and the Republican senators who have 36 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,440 Speaker 1: come out saying that they are going to essentially follow 37 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:24,040 Speaker 1: President Trump's lead now versus Republican leadership in the Senate 38 00:02:24,200 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: sent a majority leader Mitch McConnell, Senator John Thune, Mitt Romney, others. 39 00:02:29,160 --> 00:02:33,519 Speaker 1: This is unprecedented. Yeah, it's really, uh, Kevin, quite a 40 00:02:33,600 --> 00:02:36,520 Speaker 1: unique circumstance. We haven't seen it really in the modern 41 00:02:36,520 --> 00:02:39,480 Speaker 1: era politics. We thought initially it was just going to 42 00:02:39,520 --> 00:02:41,600 Speaker 1: be a group of rabble rousers in the House. And 43 00:02:41,760 --> 00:02:43,280 Speaker 1: of course, if your House member, you're supposed to be 44 00:02:43,280 --> 00:02:45,280 Speaker 1: a rabble rouser, So it was kind of expected that 45 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,679 Speaker 1: the GOP would raise hell in the House. But this 46 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:53,519 Speaker 1: idea that fellow like Ted Cruz, who ran for president 47 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 1: against Donald Trump, was embarrassed at the National Convention at 48 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,600 Speaker 1: the time by Trump personally and his wife attacked by 49 00:03:01,600 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 1: the president during the campaign, would actually become the president's 50 00:03:05,280 --> 00:03:09,360 Speaker 1: chief I would say, partner in this effort to overturn 51 00:03:09,560 --> 00:03:11,680 Speaker 1: a valid election in the United States Senate and as 52 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:15,440 Speaker 1: you said, incurring the wrath of Mitch McConnell. If if 53 00:03:15,440 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 1: the elections go the GOP way tomorrow, you can anticipate 54 00:03:20,360 --> 00:03:24,079 Speaker 1: that Senator Cruz will probably get some interesting new office 55 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: accommodations somewhere outside the Capitol. Just the dynamics and we're 56 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,560 Speaker 1: gonna head to Capitol Hill later this hour with Congressman 57 00:03:30,600 --> 00:03:33,960 Speaker 1: French Hill. Because the dynamics of the Republican Party of 58 00:03:34,000 --> 00:03:36,680 Speaker 1: which he's a member off he represents a district in Arkansas. 59 00:03:37,160 --> 00:03:40,400 Speaker 1: It's it's fascinating to watch it just really unfull. Before 60 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:42,280 Speaker 1: I bring in Joe, let me go back to you though, 61 00:03:42,920 --> 00:03:45,960 Speaker 1: on this specific question. I made this point earlier to 62 00:03:46,040 --> 00:03:49,600 Speaker 1: Tom Keane on Bloomberg Surveillance this morning. This is all 63 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: about Senator Ted Cruz Is is laying down a marker 64 00:03:54,040 --> 00:03:57,480 Speaker 1: and saying, if you are a part of President Trump's base, 65 00:03:57,760 --> 00:04:02,240 Speaker 1: come with me. What's the political risk for him though? 66 00:04:02,760 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: And what is the political risk for those who are 67 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:08,360 Speaker 1: opposing President Trump's assertion as we are at the starting 68 00:04:08,400 --> 00:04:10,720 Speaker 1: line of a of a new cycle. Yeah, And and Kevin, 69 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: I would add, it's sooner than I mean. The party 70 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,400 Speaker 1: will lose its chief leader in Donald Trump when he 71 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:21,400 Speaker 1: leaves office this month and technically just in a couple 72 00:04:21,440 --> 00:04:23,839 Speaker 1: of days. And and Ted Cruz is looking at that 73 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: vacuum right away and saying I want to fill that 74 00:04:27,200 --> 00:04:30,200 Speaker 1: and exactly what you said, Kevin. But with the Donald 75 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,359 Speaker 1: Trump Republican supporters right who have been told by the 76 00:04:33,440 --> 00:04:37,359 Speaker 1: President all through this post election period that he was 77 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:39,920 Speaker 1: cheated out of a win. And so I think you're 78 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 1: seeing actually a fissure in the Republican Party. You see 79 00:04:43,120 --> 00:04:46,599 Speaker 1: the leadership in Mitch McConnell, the majority of the House 80 00:04:46,640 --> 00:04:52,400 Speaker 1: Republicans being opposed to raising objections to the electoral confirmation 81 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:56,200 Speaker 1: that'll that will happen tomorrow or Wednesday. And and yet 82 00:04:56,240 --> 00:04:59,919 Speaker 1: you see these other Republicans who see an opportunity to 83 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 1: make common cause with these Trump voters who are very 84 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:07,000 Speaker 1: clear they want Donald Trump to stay in office by 85 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:10,640 Speaker 1: hook or crook, and they're throwing them some bait to 86 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:12,760 Speaker 1: see if they can get them to look their way. Joe, 87 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:16,160 Speaker 1: probably come in here because when I talked to some Republicans, 88 00:05:16,200 --> 00:05:17,920 Speaker 1: what they tell me is that this is a much 89 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:22,360 Speaker 1: more nuanced in the sense a debate that's being had 90 00:05:22,400 --> 00:05:25,200 Speaker 1: in the Republican Party. That there are Republicans who feel 91 00:05:25,200 --> 00:05:28,520 Speaker 1: that they would like to see a commission established to 92 00:05:28,600 --> 00:05:33,000 Speaker 1: look into voting irregularities, UH sent a majority leader. Mitch 93 00:05:33,080 --> 00:05:35,840 Speaker 1: McConnell himself has come out in favor of that. Would 94 00:05:35,839 --> 00:05:41,040 Speaker 1: it be a mistake, Joe for the Democrats, especially centrist Democrats, 95 00:05:41,080 --> 00:05:44,520 Speaker 1: to not take a hard look at an opportunity to 96 00:05:44,560 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 1: look at structural changes and protections to the integrity of 97 00:05:50,040 --> 00:05:54,400 Speaker 1: the US democratic system. Well, Kevin, Uh, you know, this 98 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:58,000 Speaker 1: election has been called the safest election in modern history. 99 00:05:58,720 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: After all, we've gone through with the attempts by Russia 100 00:06:01,720 --> 00:06:05,800 Speaker 1: and other foreigners to disrupt their electrical process. Um, these 101 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:10,279 Speaker 1: elections were fair, These elections were during this pandemic. Uh. 102 00:06:10,320 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: You know, criticizing the use of mail and balance when 103 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:16,440 Speaker 1: people were dying. Uh, it really makes absolutely no sense. 104 00:06:16,800 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 1: You know. There there's the small amount of regularities that 105 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 1: take place, and these are human beings to do these things. 106 00:06:24,400 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 1: Now there's not this there's not this cohesive Uh. And 107 00:06:27,760 --> 00:06:32,560 Speaker 1: and massive voter fraud connecting connectivity going throughout the United 108 00:06:32,600 --> 00:06:35,240 Speaker 1: States is simply not happening. So to play into that, 109 00:06:35,600 --> 00:06:39,360 Speaker 1: I think also is an attempt to undermine the undermine 110 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: the democratic process and the results of this election. You know, 111 00:06:42,120 --> 00:06:44,400 Speaker 1: Rick has made I think some really really good points, 112 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: and you brought in to the other aspect these Trump voters, 113 00:06:48,200 --> 00:06:51,240 Speaker 1: that there's that there's this play for them. You know, 114 00:06:51,240 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: the House members are supposed to be a little more 115 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:55,840 Speaker 1: erratic and you know, control some bombs. But you really 116 00:06:55,839 --> 00:06:58,320 Speaker 1: have to look at the state and being incredibly disappointed. 117 00:06:58,320 --> 00:07:01,880 Speaker 1: As you know, as as can mention Sander crusferances, the 118 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:05,719 Speaker 1: man attacked his father, his wife, and he had he's 119 00:07:05,720 --> 00:07:08,160 Speaker 1: willing to play this game because he wants to ingratiate 120 00:07:08,240 --> 00:07:11,400 Speaker 1: himself further with the Trump voters, and you know, for 121 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,280 Speaker 1: the lack of them. It came for these many many 122 00:07:14,280 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: many months since his passing. He started to see the 123 00:07:17,920 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: inklings of some folks stepping up, like my friend John Thune. 124 00:07:22,160 --> 00:07:25,440 Speaker 1: John has started show, and so he has some backbone 125 00:07:25,480 --> 00:07:28,360 Speaker 1: there even it's mcconnoe's saying, is but I think they 126 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:30,239 Speaker 1: want to watch he is. Liz Cheney in the house 127 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 1: because she has been steadfast I think on this point 128 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:35,840 Speaker 1: for quite some time, and it's taken some criticism for 129 00:07:35,920 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: it as well. You know, these are some of my 130 00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:39,760 Speaker 1: favorite people in the world. But at the same time, 131 00:07:39,800 --> 00:07:41,440 Speaker 1: with the standing up and saying the right things and 132 00:07:41,520 --> 00:07:43,120 Speaker 1: doing the right things, you gotta stand up for them 133 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 1: as well. You know. I think it's important to note 134 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,120 Speaker 1: and to provide a preview and and to get rid 135 00:07:49,160 --> 00:07:52,040 Speaker 1: of all of the political noise, and what we do 136 00:07:52,080 --> 00:07:54,360 Speaker 1: so well here at Bloomberg is to really kind of 137 00:07:54,640 --> 00:07:57,920 Speaker 1: look at what we are expecting to happen on Wednesday, 138 00:07:58,280 --> 00:08:00,360 Speaker 1: and in about one pm New York time time is 139 00:08:00,400 --> 00:08:05,360 Speaker 1: when the uh the procedures for certification of the electoral 140 00:08:05,440 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: vote will begin on Wednesday in a joint session of Congress. Now, 141 00:08:10,480 --> 00:08:15,360 Speaker 1: there are a handful of swing states in which the 142 00:08:15,360 --> 00:08:21,560 Speaker 1: Republican some Republicans have raised concerns over our alleging voter irregularity. 143 00:08:21,600 --> 00:08:26,240 Speaker 1: In order to have a two hour debate around those states, 144 00:08:26,720 --> 00:08:31,200 Speaker 1: both a representative from the House and the Senate have 145 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,920 Speaker 1: to make that proposal. And so that could mean you're 146 00:08:35,000 --> 00:08:40,000 Speaker 1: looking at the official certification not happening until Wednesday evening, 147 00:08:40,200 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 1: very late in the day or even the early morning 148 00:08:44,280 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: of Thursday. Now, the reason this is such a virtually 149 00:08:49,160 --> 00:08:54,440 Speaker 1: no chance of this ever getting upended is because both chambers, 150 00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,400 Speaker 1: the Senate and the House would have to vote too 151 00:08:58,679 --> 00:09:02,599 Speaker 1: in in accordance to a that a particular state is invalid. 152 00:09:02,920 --> 00:09:05,719 Speaker 1: Now coming up, we're gonna have a much more conversation 153 00:09:06,000 --> 00:09:08,320 Speaker 1: about all of this. But Rick, a lot of the 154 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:13,199 Speaker 1: chatter in Washington, d C. We mentioned Senator Ted Carusjosh Holly, Mitt, Romney, 155 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:16,640 Speaker 1: Vice President, Mike Pence, Vice President Mike Pence is going 156 00:09:16,679 --> 00:09:20,160 Speaker 1: to be overseeing all of this on Wednesday, Rick, and 157 00:09:20,240 --> 00:09:22,840 Speaker 1: I can tell you his staff, his political orbit, the 158 00:09:22,920 --> 00:09:26,439 Speaker 1: nick Airs of the world are all trying to say 159 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,080 Speaker 1: what can he do? And the twelfth Amendment is very clear. 160 00:09:30,240 --> 00:09:34,520 Speaker 1: The twelfth Amendment says he has to quote counts. That's 161 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:38,120 Speaker 1: the word utilized, counts the votes. He doesn't have to 162 00:09:38,160 --> 00:09:41,800 Speaker 1: decide anything. He has to say is that five of five? 163 00:09:42,000 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: Am I wrong? Now you're you're exactly right. First, let 164 00:09:44,520 --> 00:09:47,400 Speaker 1: me shout out to Joe Crowley who made mention at 165 00:09:47,440 --> 00:09:50,520 Speaker 1: John McCain. Thank you very much for invoking his memory here. 166 00:09:50,559 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: It actually is pretty material because when you look at 167 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,600 Speaker 1: all these people who are arguing against this election, you 168 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,920 Speaker 1: really want to go back to the old John McCain, 169 00:09:59,320 --> 00:10:02,120 Speaker 1: putting your kind tree ahead of your own political ambitions. 170 00:10:02,320 --> 00:10:04,920 Speaker 1: That test should be applied to everybody in the news 171 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: today and see how they fare against that. But you're 172 00:10:07,880 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: right in this case, Uh, it's a ceremonial role. It's 173 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:16,400 Speaker 1: pretty clear, as you point out, constitutionally, there's not an 174 00:10:16,440 --> 00:10:20,280 Speaker 1: ability for him to object, for him to change the numbers. 175 00:10:20,360 --> 00:10:23,200 Speaker 1: That's actually the role. You point out that the members 176 00:10:23,200 --> 00:10:26,679 Speaker 1: themselves are the only ones who can raise objections in 177 00:10:26,720 --> 00:10:30,880 Speaker 1: this process. And then it follows a very strict set 178 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:34,439 Speaker 1: of rules is to how you can raise this objection 179 00:10:34,559 --> 00:10:36,920 Speaker 1: in writing. You have to have a certain number of 180 00:10:36,920 --> 00:10:39,320 Speaker 1: people do it in either the House and the Senate, 181 00:10:39,800 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: and then there's a very strict adjudication of that. And 182 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:46,640 Speaker 1: the votes, by anybody's count are not there. So this 183 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 1: is an exercise exactly. It's an exercise with every camera, microphone. 184 00:10:52,080 --> 00:10:55,280 Speaker 1: I oh yeah, social media watching from the eyes not 185 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 1: just of the entire country, but the entire world. Much more. 186 00:10:57,760 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: Coming up next, we hand on down to Georgia. I'm 187 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: Kevin Surreal. This is Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg. Sound on 188 00:11:09,200 --> 00:11:13,800 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surreley on Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin 189 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:17,280 Speaker 1: CURRELLI I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and 190 00:11:17,360 --> 00:11:21,480 Speaker 1: for Bloomberg Radio. We're gonna head on down now to Georgia, where, 191 00:11:21,520 --> 00:11:25,960 Speaker 1: of course, the runoff election is set to take place tomorrow. 192 00:11:26,400 --> 00:11:29,160 Speaker 1: If you're looking for a neat narrative, you won't find it, 193 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:33,199 Speaker 1: most likely in the peach State, because election officials are 194 00:11:33,240 --> 00:11:36,760 Speaker 1: already saying it could take anywhere from twenty four to 195 00:11:37,000 --> 00:11:41,360 Speaker 1: seventy two hours in order to count all of the votes. 196 00:11:41,400 --> 00:11:45,199 Speaker 1: There's been, like in the November elections, a dramatic increase 197 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,319 Speaker 1: in the number of early votes that have already been cast, 198 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:55,120 Speaker 1: upwards of like three million some estimates, and thirty of 199 00:11:55,240 --> 00:11:59,640 Speaker 1: the black vote, an increase, and actually some political scientists 200 00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:03,520 Speaker 1: are say saying that the black turnout is already outpacing 201 00:12:03,880 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 1: the November elections, which posters are suggesting could be a 202 00:12:07,600 --> 00:12:12,480 Speaker 1: good sign for Democrats. But President Trump uh in the 203 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:16,440 Speaker 1: last forty eight hours, especially really making every effort to 204 00:12:16,640 --> 00:12:20,520 Speaker 1: really get out the vote and the base. UH in 205 00:12:20,520 --> 00:12:23,480 Speaker 1: in the state of Georgia. I'm joined by Rick Davis, 206 00:12:23,480 --> 00:12:26,840 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg contributor, partner at Stone Corps Capital, former campaign 207 00:12:26,920 --> 00:12:30,360 Speaker 1: manager for John McCain's two thousand and eight presidential campaign, 208 00:12:30,360 --> 00:12:33,480 Speaker 1: and Joe Crowley, a former New York congressman and Democratic 209 00:12:33,760 --> 00:12:37,479 Speaker 1: Caucus chair. Joe coming up, we're gonna hear from Democratic 210 00:12:37,559 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 1: National Committee Chairman Tom Perez. But I got to be candid. 211 00:12:42,559 --> 00:12:45,920 Speaker 1: The Democrats that I'm talking to have swung from worthy 212 00:12:46,040 --> 00:12:50,400 Speaker 1: underdogs two. We actually could win this thing in Georgia. 213 00:12:50,559 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: What changed? Joe Crowley, you're with me, I'm here, I 214 00:13:00,520 --> 00:13:02,880 Speaker 1: am Can you hear me? I can hear you? Loud 215 00:13:02,880 --> 00:13:05,600 Speaker 1: and clear? Go ahead, I hear you. I think a 216 00:13:05,640 --> 00:13:08,080 Speaker 1: couple I think a couple of things have changed, one 217 00:13:08,120 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 1: of which is certainly the presidents continuing to to to 218 00:13:12,240 --> 00:13:16,640 Speaker 1: question the results of the elections in Georgia, written large nationally, 219 00:13:16,640 --> 00:13:20,439 Speaker 1: but Georgia specifically. UM that he lost Georgia, that the 220 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,720 Speaker 1: Sundays uh got into the thrown off from the first place, 221 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,160 Speaker 1: undermining the process itself. I think that has certainly been 222 00:13:27,240 --> 00:13:30,880 Speaker 1: a factor. I think his playing games with the with 223 00:13:31,200 --> 00:13:34,160 Speaker 1: the with the COVID response built, and and calling for 224 00:13:34,200 --> 00:13:36,800 Speaker 1: two thousand dollars the post of six hundred dollars, all 225 00:13:36,880 --> 00:13:41,160 Speaker 1: these things have really combined to to to cause um, 226 00:13:41,200 --> 00:13:44,880 Speaker 1: you know, a circus atmosphere. And then you add to that, Kevin, 227 00:13:45,240 --> 00:13:48,800 Speaker 1: you add this phone call. And now I'm told that 228 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:53,280 Speaker 1: the U S Attorney for Georgia, UM Mr Pack has 229 00:13:53,320 --> 00:13:55,959 Speaker 1: resigned as of today. Who knows what the fall out 230 00:13:55,960 --> 00:13:57,960 Speaker 1: of all this will be. Uh. You know, he doesn't 231 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: want have to prosecute a sitting president or or investigative president. 232 00:14:01,679 --> 00:14:03,400 Speaker 1: And there's so many things have happened that I think 233 00:14:03,440 --> 00:14:05,920 Speaker 1: that is what's added to, you know, the the circus 234 00:14:05,960 --> 00:14:09,040 Speaker 1: atmosphere in Georgia, and I think the early voting has 235 00:14:09,200 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 1: has certainly favorite Democrats. We though we know that election 236 00:14:12,120 --> 00:14:15,800 Speaker 1: date will say Republicans more so. But it's it's just 237 00:14:16,000 --> 00:14:18,960 Speaker 1: every day, when when you think it can't getting it crazier, 238 00:14:19,000 --> 00:14:22,800 Speaker 1: it's just just crazier. You know, Rick, Joe just mentioned 239 00:14:22,800 --> 00:14:25,400 Speaker 1: that sixty two minute phone call. We've actually got another 240 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:29,640 Speaker 1: sound on tape from that particular phone call in which 241 00:14:29,800 --> 00:14:35,320 Speaker 1: President Trump is saying that the voter is that he's 242 00:14:35,320 --> 00:14:38,400 Speaker 1: saying that actually voters will be suppressed in the Republican 243 00:14:38,400 --> 00:14:40,800 Speaker 1: Party because they don't have confidence in the election. Take 244 00:14:40,800 --> 00:14:43,000 Speaker 1: a listen to what he said. The people of of 245 00:14:43,440 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 1: Georgia know that this was a scam, and because of 246 00:14:46,400 --> 00:14:48,160 Speaker 1: what you've done to the president, a lot of people 247 00:14:48,200 --> 00:14:50,920 Speaker 1: are going out to vote, and a lot of Republicans 248 00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:53,400 Speaker 1: are gonna vote negative because they hate what you did 249 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:58,400 Speaker 1: to the president. Okay they hated. Is he in fact 250 00:14:58,680 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: hurting Republican turn out by making that comment? Rick, Well, 251 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 1: he's made this comment over and over since election night, right, 252 00:15:06,400 --> 00:15:10,480 Speaker 1: I mean, he has actually made it his entire presidency 253 00:15:10,600 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: since election Day to undermine the election integrity because he lost. 254 00:15:15,120 --> 00:15:17,600 Speaker 1: And I understand his motivation. He doesn't want to have 255 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:20,880 Speaker 1: lost a legitimate and fair election. He wants to keep 256 00:15:20,960 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: his base around him, regardless of whether he's serving as 257 00:15:23,720 --> 00:15:26,720 Speaker 1: president or not. But the reality is there's nobody more 258 00:15:26,760 --> 00:15:30,840 Speaker 1: to blame about election integrity than the doubts that have 259 00:15:30,920 --> 00:15:35,840 Speaker 1: been sewed by President Trump and Rudy Giuliani and the 260 00:15:35,880 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: cast of sort of Republican misfits that have signed on 261 00:15:39,360 --> 00:15:44,120 Speaker 1: to these kind of stories because the evidence that they've 262 00:15:44,160 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: presented to back up this kind of quote by him 263 00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:51,160 Speaker 1: in this telephone conversation have been thrown out of every 264 00:15:51,200 --> 00:15:54,680 Speaker 1: court that they've been contested in. And so where's the truth? Rick? 265 00:15:54,760 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: Take us to? Like Georgetown's Cafe Blatto. Let's say you're 266 00:15:58,120 --> 00:16:01,640 Speaker 1: sitting down with Sentiment already leader Mitch McConnell, and you're 267 00:16:01,680 --> 00:16:05,120 Speaker 1: going over strategy to try to win back control of 268 00:16:05,160 --> 00:16:08,720 Speaker 1: the United States or to keep control of the United States. 269 00:16:09,400 --> 00:16:13,760 Speaker 1: Just so quick, do you want President Trump down there? 270 00:16:13,960 --> 00:16:16,440 Speaker 1: Is he an asset to the to the Republican Party 271 00:16:16,440 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: in Georgia. He's a total distraction and being there today, 272 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 1: how the day before the election, you don't think it 273 00:16:21,880 --> 00:16:24,720 Speaker 1: helps is a complete disaster. So what you look at here, 274 00:16:24,760 --> 00:16:26,520 Speaker 1: as you say, is it better for us to have 275 00:16:26,600 --> 00:16:29,320 Speaker 1: it as a national election or a local election? And 276 00:16:29,360 --> 00:16:33,640 Speaker 1: here you've got a very popular guy, uh, David Purdue, 277 00:16:33,880 --> 00:16:37,040 Speaker 1: who's been senator for quite some time. He has great 278 00:16:37,120 --> 00:16:40,680 Speaker 1: numbers in the state. People like him. Done nothing to 279 00:16:40,880 --> 00:16:44,440 Speaker 1: really upset a voter in the state. I mean, obviously 280 00:16:44,440 --> 00:16:48,960 Speaker 1: Democrats want a Democrat, but Republicans are the dominant demographic there, 281 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 1: and and and under any other normal circumstance, he could 282 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:56,480 Speaker 1: be probably serving out the rest of his life in 283 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:00,200 Speaker 1: that Senate seat. But what has happened is the uh, 284 00:17:00,320 --> 00:17:03,920 Speaker 1: the President turned a red state blue by his campaign 285 00:17:03,920 --> 00:17:07,680 Speaker 1: in Georgia in the general election. The unfortunate part of 286 00:17:07,760 --> 00:17:10,800 Speaker 1: David Purdue is his his vote tracked Trump's and he 287 00:17:10,880 --> 00:17:13,320 Speaker 1: lost by it. Lost, I mean, he didn't get over 288 00:17:14,520 --> 00:17:16,840 Speaker 1: by just enough to have to throw it into this 289 00:17:16,840 --> 00:17:20,760 Speaker 1: this kind of a recount or another election. And so 290 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,640 Speaker 1: so he wants a local election where he's the one 291 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,719 Speaker 1: who's being decided, not nationalizing as if this is some 292 00:17:26,800 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: kind of referenum on Trump. But Trump doesn't like that. 293 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:32,720 Speaker 1: So in in his event today, he's going to be 294 00:17:32,760 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: all about Trump, all about voting a regularity which just 295 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,520 Speaker 1: suppresses its own vote, and it's it's going to be remarkable. 296 00:17:38,560 --> 00:17:40,520 Speaker 1: And again, if you're trying to glean when we might 297 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,000 Speaker 1: have some clarity from the Georgia runoff, it might take 298 00:17:44,080 --> 00:17:46,520 Speaker 1: up to anywhere from seventy two hours. Coming up next 299 00:17:46,520 --> 00:17:49,840 Speaker 1: for checking in with Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez 300 00:17:49,920 --> 00:17:53,879 Speaker 1: and Congressman French Hill. I'm Kevin CERELLI. This is Bloomberg. 301 00:17:58,520 --> 00:18:02,119 Speaker 1: You're listening to Bloomberg Sound On with Kevin Surreley on 302 00:18:02,359 --> 00:18:06,280 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin CURRELLI. I'm the chief 303 00:18:06,320 --> 00:18:10,920 Speaker 1: Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for Bloomberg Radio. You're 304 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:16,320 Speaker 1: ready for Wednesday, folks, the certification of the election, I mean, 305 00:18:16,359 --> 00:18:19,159 Speaker 1: you'd have to dust off your constitution. Go all the 306 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 1: way back to eighteen seventy six when Rutherford B. Hayes 307 00:18:25,640 --> 00:18:30,600 Speaker 1: beat Samuel J. Tilden. Hayes was a former governor of Ohio, 308 00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 1: a two time House member, and a staunch abolitionist and 309 00:18:36,000 --> 00:18:40,760 Speaker 1: someone who actually represented UH slaves in court, a staunch 310 00:18:40,800 --> 00:18:45,399 Speaker 1: abolitionist back and he ended up winning that election. And 311 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: that's where we got the political playbook, so to speak, 312 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:54,280 Speaker 1: of what the rules are going to be refereeing the 313 00:18:54,320 --> 00:18:58,800 Speaker 1: certification process on Wednesday. I'm thrilled now to welcome back 314 00:18:58,800 --> 00:19:01,920 Speaker 1: to the program, Undersman french Hill. He is a Republican 315 00:19:02,000 --> 00:19:06,040 Speaker 1: from Arkansas, representing some parts of suburban Arkansas. It's great 316 00:19:06,080 --> 00:19:08,760 Speaker 1: to have you on, Congressman. I know we usually talked policy, 317 00:19:08,840 --> 00:19:11,920 Speaker 1: but on a week where the markets even are reacting 318 00:19:11,920 --> 00:19:15,240 Speaker 1: to so much of the volatility coming out of the politics, 319 00:19:15,800 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: I gotta ask you, what are you preparing for on 320 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: Wednesday as a Republican House member. Well, Kevin, is great 321 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,359 Speaker 1: to be on with you today, and it's always nice 322 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:29,399 Speaker 1: to have the warm up act, the garbage truck Fire 323 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:36,719 Speaker 1: in Manhattan. Hopefully the segment doesn't become one. Go ahead, Congressman, 324 00:19:37,680 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 1: no pressure. Well, listen, this is important. A lot of 325 00:19:41,320 --> 00:19:45,080 Speaker 1: Americans are upset with the outcome of the election. They 326 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,879 Speaker 1: wanted President Trump to win. President Trump went to court 327 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,040 Speaker 1: tried to determine if there was any voting irregularity where 328 00:19:51,080 --> 00:19:54,800 Speaker 1: he could win the race. But the only mission that 329 00:19:54,920 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: Congress has, according to that seven Act you just cited, 330 00:20:00,080 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: is to certify the count open and account the certified 331 00:20:03,760 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: votes from the electors around the country that will be 332 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:09,719 Speaker 1: happening tomorrow. All eyes will be on that that count, 333 00:20:10,080 --> 00:20:14,360 Speaker 1: But fundamentally it's not going to in my view, result 334 00:20:14,600 --> 00:20:18,440 Speaker 1: in a change in the outcome of the election. So 335 00:20:18,840 --> 00:20:20,720 Speaker 1: Rick Davis is with me. He's a partner at Stone 336 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: Court Capital. He is also, of course a Bloomberg contributor 337 00:20:23,920 --> 00:20:27,200 Speaker 1: managed John McCain's presidential campaign. There's that word count that 338 00:20:27,240 --> 00:20:30,040 Speaker 1: we were talking about earlier in the twelfth Amendment that 339 00:20:30,119 --> 00:20:33,159 Speaker 1: the Vice President Mike Pence, in this case, he is 340 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,800 Speaker 1: not in charge of saying whether or not they were 341 00:20:35,840 --> 00:20:39,359 Speaker 1: voting irregularities. He is not in charge of saying whether 342 00:20:39,520 --> 00:20:42,680 Speaker 1: or not he believes the allegations that the president has made. 343 00:20:42,960 --> 00:20:47,480 Speaker 1: He is only in charge of counting. Rick, and what 344 00:20:47,600 --> 00:20:51,800 Speaker 1: is he counting. He's counting electors. And Uh, Congressman, it 345 00:20:51,880 --> 00:20:53,960 Speaker 1: was really interesting that you would point out sort of 346 00:20:53,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 1: where we are in this process. Um. I know that 347 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 1: in the House. Uh, there's quite a debate going on 348 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:03,359 Speaker 1: with uh. In our own caucus. The Republican caucus is 349 00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:06,760 Speaker 1: to you know, the band of Republicans who have decided 350 00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:10,720 Speaker 1: to object to the outcome of the election and the 351 00:21:10,840 --> 00:21:14,359 Speaker 1: electors that are being presented. Uh. What kind of discussions 352 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,760 Speaker 1: are you having in that caucus and and how do 353 00:21:16,800 --> 00:21:21,800 Speaker 1: you see this moving forward? Will there be a demand 354 00:21:21,880 --> 00:21:26,119 Speaker 1: for a appeal to these electors, and how will your 355 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:30,440 Speaker 1: leadership handle it? Well, I think it's clear now that 356 00:21:30,480 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 1: there are senators and members of the House that will 357 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,840 Speaker 1: object potentially to the electors from some of the swing 358 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:42,280 Speaker 1: states like Georgia or Pennsylvania. And what takes place then 359 00:21:42,320 --> 00:21:47,800 Speaker 1: according to that the House President and that Elector Account 360 00:21:47,840 --> 00:21:50,800 Speaker 1: Act of seven is there will be two hours of 361 00:21:50,920 --> 00:21:55,080 Speaker 1: debate on each of those states and then a vote 362 00:21:55,119 --> 00:22:01,000 Speaker 1: to accept the electoral elector count or not. Uh. And 363 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:04,880 Speaker 1: I expect that to be a very extended debate. Each 364 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:09,040 Speaker 1: member can speak up to five minutes per objection, So 365 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: if you have four states objecting, then you can see 366 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:15,959 Speaker 1: two hours per state. But you're right about the vice president. 367 00:22:16,080 --> 00:22:20,240 Speaker 1: Vice president's job is a ministerial one, not a policy job. 368 00:22:20,280 --> 00:22:24,000 Speaker 1: He is there too, Uh, make rulings from the chair, 369 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:28,480 Speaker 1: which again can be very minimal. Uh, and do the 370 00:22:28,600 --> 00:22:31,720 Speaker 1: roll call of the states and and see if there's 371 00:22:31,720 --> 00:22:34,520 Speaker 1: an objection. I want to get into the weeds here 372 00:22:34,560 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 1: now because Speaker Pelosi has actually changed some of the 373 00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:40,440 Speaker 1: rules for the next Congress. And I understand that you've 374 00:22:40,480 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: got some reservations about that. Can you explain from a 375 00:22:43,160 --> 00:22:47,120 Speaker 1: policy standpoint, how that's going to impact decision makers from 376 00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,919 Speaker 1: an acting policy congressman. Yeah, when you're in the minority 377 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,200 Speaker 1: in the House, there's an old adage left over from 378 00:22:54,800 --> 00:22:59,399 Speaker 1: Speaker read in the eighteen nineties of the majority UH 379 00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 1: run the House and the minority watches. So, however, the 380 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,200 Speaker 1: minority does have rights. We can call witnesses, we can 381 00:23:07,240 --> 00:23:11,200 Speaker 1: participate in debate, we can participate by trying to amend 382 00:23:11,280 --> 00:23:14,840 Speaker 1: bills put forward by the majority. And what Speaker Pelosi 383 00:23:14,920 --> 00:23:19,600 Speaker 1: has done is she is blocked the minorities number one 384 00:23:19,640 --> 00:23:23,240 Speaker 1: ability on House floor debate, which is the motion to 385 00:23:23,359 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 1: recommit a bill that has send the bill back to 386 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:30,359 Speaker 1: a committee with an amendment, and she has removed that 387 00:23:30,440 --> 00:23:33,439 Speaker 1: from the House rules the Democrats passed their House Rules 388 00:23:33,480 --> 00:23:38,920 Speaker 1: package today. She's also limiting any posting a video material 389 00:23:39,080 --> 00:23:41,600 Speaker 1: by a member or a staff member in the House 390 00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,800 Speaker 1: and says it could be an ethics violation if someone 391 00:23:45,119 --> 00:23:50,359 Speaker 1: in the in the uh Pelosi power regime says that 392 00:23:50,440 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 1: it was inappropriate or misleading. Now, think about that level 393 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:57,439 Speaker 1: of First Amendment censorship both ways on the House floor. 394 00:23:57,920 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 1: Pelosi with her narrow majority, is reducing debate, reducing opportunities 395 00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,720 Speaker 1: for the minority voice to be heard on the House floor. 396 00:24:05,359 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: It's gonna be fascinating just to see how all of 397 00:24:07,520 --> 00:24:10,040 Speaker 1: that impacts a committee that, of course you serve on, 398 00:24:10,080 --> 00:24:13,760 Speaker 1: the House Financial Services Committee, especially if there's going to 399 00:24:13,840 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 1: be another battle and President elect Biden's first one hundred 400 00:24:17,200 --> 00:24:20,440 Speaker 1: days over more fiscal relief and Congressmen, I know you'll 401 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,440 Speaker 1: come back on and join join us when those conversations 402 00:24:23,480 --> 00:24:26,399 Speaker 1: begin in earnest. Happy new year, Congressman, and thank you 403 00:24:26,600 --> 00:24:28,960 Speaker 1: for coming on. Remember, folks, you can download the Bloomberg 404 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,120 Speaker 1: Sound On podcast on Apple iTunes, at Bloomberg dot com, 405 00:24:32,240 --> 00:24:34,960 Speaker 1: or by downloading the Bloomberg Business app. You can also 406 00:24:35,000 --> 00:24:38,480 Speaker 1: find me on Radio dot com, I Heart Radio and Spotify. 407 00:24:38,640 --> 00:24:41,640 Speaker 1: Coming up the Chairman of the Democratic Party, Tom Perez. 408 00:24:41,880 --> 00:24:45,320 Speaker 1: I'm Kevin Cirelli, Chief Washington correspondent from Bloomberg TV and Radio, 409 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:57,359 Speaker 1: and you're listening to Bloomberg. This is Bloomberg Sound On 410 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:02,720 Speaker 1: with Kevin Surrele on Bloomberg Radio. My name is Kevin Curilli. 411 00:25:02,800 --> 00:25:06,360 Speaker 1: I'm the chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television and for 412 00:25:06,480 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Radio. Rick Davis is with me. Uh, and we're 413 00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:13,359 Speaker 1: now joined by the Chairman of the Democratic National Committee, 414 00:25:13,359 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 1: Tom Perez. Mr Chairman Perez, thank you for joining us. Uh. 415 00:25:17,040 --> 00:25:19,879 Speaker 1: I want to take it right to Georgia. Are you 416 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: on the cusp of pulling off an upset victory? Well, 417 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be really tight, and I like 418 00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:30,320 Speaker 1: our candidates. We are united, they are divided. They're forming 419 00:25:30,440 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 1: circular firing squads. Uh. Raphael Warnock and John Austaff are 420 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:40,160 Speaker 1: talking about jobs, healthcare, justice. Donald Trump's talking about revisiting 421 00:25:40,440 --> 00:25:44,000 Speaker 1: the November election results for a fifth time or a 422 00:25:44,040 --> 00:25:47,680 Speaker 1: sixth time, and so, uh, it's gonna be razor within. 423 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,600 Speaker 1: We know that Joe Biden one Georgia by about eleven 424 00:25:52,640 --> 00:25:55,199 Speaker 1: thousand votes. We are working hard to make sure we 425 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,560 Speaker 1: get all our voters out. I'm very heartened by what 426 00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: I see, but I know it's going to be a 427 00:26:01,520 --> 00:26:04,680 Speaker 1: razor thin on on either side. But I'd much rather 428 00:26:04,720 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 1: be asking them were united and they continue to fight 429 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: amongst themselves. Well, it's interesting. I mean, even just in 430 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: speaking with Rick Davis in the earlier in the program, 431 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,159 Speaker 1: I mean when he's saying that President Trump isn't an 432 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:20,960 Speaker 1: asset to going down to Georgia and would be a 433 00:26:20,960 --> 00:26:24,520 Speaker 1: political liability. It's remarkable. And even in the course of 434 00:26:24,560 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: this broadcast, President Elect Joe Biden speaking in Georgia. Take 435 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:31,480 Speaker 1: a listen, because we've got sound on this. Take a 436 00:26:31,480 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 1: listen to what he had to say here is, I 437 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,280 Speaker 1: don't believe your United States senators are gonna work for me. 438 00:26:37,280 --> 00:26:40,640 Speaker 1: They work for the people at Georgia. That's why he's 439 00:26:40,640 --> 00:26:43,600 Speaker 1: not asking your senator to be loyal to me. I 440 00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,960 Speaker 1: believe they should be loyal to you, to Georgia, the 441 00:26:46,040 --> 00:26:51,479 Speaker 1: United States Constitution period. So it's been remarkable, Chairman Perez, 442 00:26:51,600 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: to see how Raphael Warnock as well as John Assaffer 443 00:26:56,400 --> 00:26:59,800 Speaker 1: are essentially running in a more centrist lane while trying 444 00:26:59,800 --> 00:27:02,600 Speaker 1: to galvanize some of the progressive bass Is that is 445 00:27:02,640 --> 00:27:07,040 Speaker 1: that a correct assessment? Well, they're I think they're running 446 00:27:07,080 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: a They're they're appealing to everyone. They're they're appealing to 447 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 1: anyone who wants this pandemic. And the rear view mirrors 448 00:27:14,240 --> 00:27:16,560 Speaker 1: not just Democrats who want this pandemic, and the rear 449 00:27:16,600 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 1: view mirrors all Georgians and they know that with Raphael 450 00:27:20,760 --> 00:27:24,440 Speaker 1: Warnock and with John Assof and Joe Biden, they're gonna 451 00:27:24,480 --> 00:27:26,720 Speaker 1: have adults in the room who are going to help 452 00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:29,800 Speaker 1: us bring this pandemic to an end sooner. They want 453 00:27:29,800 --> 00:27:32,440 Speaker 1: people who are going to protect their health care uh 454 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: and help them get their jobs back. And they want 455 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:37,600 Speaker 1: people who are looking out for them. I think, as 456 00:27:37,640 --> 00:27:41,680 Speaker 1: the President elect said, this election isn't about Donald Trump 457 00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:45,119 Speaker 1: or Joe Biden. It's about the people of Georgia. And 458 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,440 Speaker 1: and I'm confident Donald Trump is going to go there 459 00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 1: tonight and talk about himself and talk about all of 460 00:27:50,960 --> 00:27:54,200 Speaker 1: his grievances. And that's not what people want to hear. 461 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:55,679 Speaker 1: They want to hear. How are you gonna help me? 462 00:27:57,280 --> 00:28:00,400 Speaker 1: It's fascinating, Rick to hear Chairman Perez's assessment right there, 463 00:28:00,400 --> 00:28:02,200 Speaker 1: because right there he tried to do what you said 464 00:28:02,240 --> 00:28:04,359 Speaker 1: to do earlier in the hour, which is makeing a 465 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:08,960 Speaker 1: local election and versus what the Republican strategy appears to be, 466 00:28:09,040 --> 00:28:12,160 Speaker 1: which is to make it a national election. Yeah, thank you, Kevin, 467 00:28:12,240 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: and and Chairman Perez. Appreciate your comments there. I want 468 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:17,719 Speaker 1: to take it local if I can. With my question. 469 00:28:17,800 --> 00:28:20,879 Speaker 1: I mean, you know, we saw how important intensity was 470 00:28:20,960 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 1: in the general election. And we've already seen over three 471 00:28:23,600 --> 00:28:27,680 Speaker 1: million people vote early. Now that's over, and you can 472 00:28:27,680 --> 00:28:29,800 Speaker 1: expect to see a crowd show up on election day. 473 00:28:30,040 --> 00:28:32,280 Speaker 1: What do you see in as far as the intensity 474 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,160 Speaker 1: of of your vote down on the ground, and what's 475 00:28:35,200 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 1: your sense of the turnout gonna be. This is the 476 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,000 Speaker 1: old campaign manager for me. I'm looking for numbers and 477 00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: uh and and I and I'd love to get your 478 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 1: senses to what election day turnout it's gonna look like. Yeah, well, 479 00:28:47,160 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: we've really focused uh this this is not a persuasion 480 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:54,720 Speaker 1: election to campaign speak, this is about getting your base 481 00:28:54,760 --> 00:28:58,520 Speaker 1: out and we've spent a lot of time doing that. 482 00:28:58,720 --> 00:29:01,880 Speaker 1: But we've also, towards at end, made sure that we've 483 00:29:01,880 --> 00:29:05,719 Speaker 1: been talking to people who we know would vote for 484 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: us but didn't vote November and over a hundred thousand 485 00:29:08,240 --> 00:29:11,560 Speaker 1: people about my last count, about a hundred and fifteen 486 00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 1: thousand people voted early who didn't vote in the general election. 487 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: And what's interesting about that, Rick, is fifty of those 488 00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: voters were non white, um, and that tells me that 489 00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:26,640 Speaker 1: the work we're doing in places like the fifth Congressional 490 00:29:26,760 --> 00:29:29,600 Speaker 1: District and for your listeners, the fifth Congressional district is 491 00:29:29,680 --> 00:29:33,880 Speaker 1: John Lewis's old district, now held by a good friend, 492 00:29:33,920 --> 00:29:37,480 Speaker 1: the Kima Williams, and she was working really hard to 493 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:41,800 Speaker 1: get out voters who didn't vote in November. But we 494 00:29:41,880 --> 00:29:43,520 Speaker 1: know that if we get them out, we're going to 495 00:29:43,680 --> 00:29:46,600 Speaker 1: get them to vote for the Democrat. If you look 496 00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:49,360 Speaker 1: at our our outreach to young people, we know that 497 00:29:49,480 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 1: young people will skew heavily towards the Democratic candidates. And 498 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:56,200 Speaker 1: I'm hardened to see that the percentage of young people 499 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,120 Speaker 1: is up so well, we have some Chairman, Prince, can 500 00:30:00,120 --> 00:30:02,400 Speaker 1: I just interrupt you on that one point, because we 501 00:30:02,480 --> 00:30:06,240 Speaker 1: do see a pretty heavy vote by the elderly population. 502 00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:10,960 Speaker 1: People over sixty five makeup the largest individual demographics segment, 503 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,719 Speaker 1: and we know they tend to skew Republican uh and 504 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:17,080 Speaker 1: so I'm kind of curious, I mean literally, with the 505 00:30:17,120 --> 00:30:20,640 Speaker 1: early vote, there's almost a ten percent increase over each 506 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:23,320 Speaker 1: age group as you get higher and higher in the 507 00:30:23,400 --> 00:30:26,200 Speaker 1: elderly UH as far as turn out, So if you 508 00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: could address that a little bit, because will will those 509 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:33,040 Speaker 1: elderly be Republican voters in the general election? A lot 510 00:30:33,080 --> 00:30:35,400 Speaker 1: of them turned out for the president or for the 511 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:38,960 Speaker 1: president elect, Joe Biden President, right. I mean, and and 512 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:44,560 Speaker 1: here's why, Uh, who's dying disproportionately with COVID. It's it's 513 00:30:44,640 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: people in nursing home facilities and seniors and they want 514 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,480 Speaker 1: to get a handle on this. I did a lot 515 00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:56,200 Speaker 1: of outreach during the general and what I heard most 516 00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200 Speaker 1: frequently from seniors is I want to see my grandchildren 517 00:31:00,040 --> 00:31:02,680 Speaker 1: to get this in the rear view mirror. And the 518 00:31:02,720 --> 00:31:07,480 Speaker 1: incompetence of this president is preventing us from putting this 519 00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:11,440 Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror. And so you're absolutely right 520 00:31:11,440 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: when you look at the numbers, Joe Biden more than 521 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,600 Speaker 1: held his own with seniors, and I think you're going 522 00:31:17,680 --> 00:31:22,960 Speaker 1: to see uh, some similar numbers here tomorrow with Democratic 523 00:31:23,000 --> 00:31:28,320 Speaker 1: performance among seniors because the coronavirus is fun center for 524 00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: them and the just confidence of this president is what 525 00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:34,920 Speaker 1: they're gonna see. If you're just joining us. We're joined 526 00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:39,120 Speaker 1: by Democratic National Committee Chairman Tom Perez speaking with Rick Davis, 527 00:31:39,120 --> 00:31:42,600 Speaker 1: a Bloomberg contributor and the former campaign manager to John McCain. 528 00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,680 Speaker 1: I feel like I'm George Denny hosting America's town Meeting 529 00:31:45,720 --> 00:31:48,720 Speaker 1: of the air watching these two peers have such a 530 00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:53,360 Speaker 1: nuanced conversation about politics. It's truly a privilege, and I 531 00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:55,000 Speaker 1: have to say it's a little bit fun as well. 532 00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:57,960 Speaker 1: Chairman Perez, what's your next move? Are you said you're 533 00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,080 Speaker 1: you're not going to go for another term for U 534 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 1: for the Democratic National Committee? Can you give us just 535 00:32:02,960 --> 00:32:05,120 Speaker 1: between us, Mr Chairman, what's your next move? What are 536 00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:09,720 Speaker 1: you uying? I have no idea. And the reason I 537 00:32:09,720 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 1: have no ideas I'm a big believer in springing to 538 00:32:12,480 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 1: the finish line here, you know, I, Uh, this Georgia 539 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:18,920 Speaker 1: election is really important and I don't want to spend 540 00:32:18,960 --> 00:32:21,280 Speaker 1: time thinking about what Tom Perez is gonna do next. 541 00:32:21,520 --> 00:32:25,880 Speaker 1: I just I want to make sure that uh, I 542 00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:29,520 Speaker 1: am leaving the DNC better off and I found it, 543 00:32:29,560 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: and I want to make sure that we sprient to 544 00:32:31,280 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: the finish line in Georgia because the difference, strate you 545 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:38,520 Speaker 1: all know, is night and day. So let's give time 546 00:32:38,560 --> 00:32:41,760 Speaker 1: for that and let's and you'll tell us first I 547 00:32:41,800 --> 00:32:43,800 Speaker 1: have I have a good feeling about that. But let's 548 00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:48,360 Speaker 1: let's let's go to to Wednesday and the certification and 549 00:32:48,760 --> 00:32:51,560 Speaker 1: do me a favor. Just put on your we all 550 00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: know the talking points and whatnot. But but but what 551 00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520 Speaker 1: is the strategy? How will the d n C be 552 00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:02,600 Speaker 1: handling the certification day? Because typically there are political war rooms, 553 00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:05,800 Speaker 1: rapid response teams. Are is that the team that that 554 00:33:05,840 --> 00:33:08,040 Speaker 1: you guys are putting together. Are you treating this as 555 00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:10,920 Speaker 1: if it is a national election so to speak, or 556 00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 1: even like a presidential debate? Well, no, Wednesday should be 557 00:33:15,600 --> 00:33:20,960 Speaker 1: a formality. L Gore lost the closest election I think 558 00:33:20,960 --> 00:33:23,760 Speaker 1: in a certainly in my lifetime and in our history, 559 00:33:23,840 --> 00:33:27,360 Speaker 1: and al Gore that this was this day was a formality. 560 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,120 Speaker 1: This day was a formality four years ago with Joe 561 00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:34,600 Speaker 1: Biden UH in the chair of presiding. That's because we 562 00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: have respect for the democratic process and that's what it 563 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: should be. But you know, election has already started, and 564 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:48,520 Speaker 1: you see, especially among some of these senate candidates, UH, 565 00:33:48,560 --> 00:33:52,760 Speaker 1: they want to get an early start on that Trump 566 00:33:52,800 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 1: base and they want to make sure they know that 567 00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,960 Speaker 1: I'm I'm more Trump than Trump, and Uh, I don't 568 00:33:58,960 --> 00:34:02,280 Speaker 1: care if I am putting democracy at risk. It I 569 00:34:02,840 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: applaud the people like Mitt Romney and Center Sass and 570 00:34:07,040 --> 00:34:11,399 Speaker 1: Senator Collins and others who are trying to um put 571 00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:16,279 Speaker 1: an end to this. But regrettably, the circus is going 572 00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:20,080 Speaker 1: to come to town on Wednesday. UM. The good news 573 00:34:20,160 --> 00:34:22,600 Speaker 1: is the circus will last only a couple of hours. 574 00:34:22,640 --> 00:34:26,880 Speaker 1: They will fail, but they continue to try to undermine 575 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,520 Speaker 1: our democratic institutions, in our respect for democracy, we should 576 00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,080 Speaker 1: be having a bipartisan celebration this Wednesday of record turnout. 577 00:34:37,280 --> 00:34:40,200 Speaker 1: I mean, we we lost races as Democrats that I 578 00:34:40,200 --> 00:34:42,920 Speaker 1: thought we were gonna win down ballot um. And the 579 00:34:43,000 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: reason we lost is because there was really impressive turnout 580 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: on the Republican side. I tipped my cap to those 581 00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 1: races where they had that turnout. That's what we should 582 00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:58,000 Speaker 1: be doing, is celebrating record turnout in a pandemic in 583 00:34:58,040 --> 00:35:01,160 Speaker 1: a bipartisan fashion. But all right, we're gonna have to 584 00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,719 Speaker 1: We're gonna have to leave it there with Chairman of 585 00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,759 Speaker 1: the Democratic National Committee, Tom Pereza and Mr Chairman, we 586 00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:11,040 Speaker 1: had Father Martin, Father James Martin on the show on Friday, 587 00:35:11,160 --> 00:35:13,439 Speaker 1: uh and and we were talking just about how it's 588 00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:17,560 Speaker 1: going to be fascinating to see the second Catholic president ever. 589 00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:20,360 Speaker 1: And I know you and I share that in common, Chairman, 590 00:35:20,440 --> 00:35:23,440 Speaker 1: So thank you again for joining us. Rick Davis. I mean, 591 00:35:23,480 --> 00:35:26,480 Speaker 1: you just hear it there from the outgoing chairman of 592 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:28,600 Speaker 1: the Democratic Party. And in the minute or so less 593 00:35:28,640 --> 00:35:31,160 Speaker 1: than that that I have left, I mean, the Democratic 594 00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:34,600 Speaker 1: Party is going to have uh, some interesting conversations over 595 00:35:34,640 --> 00:35:38,439 Speaker 1: the next week weeks too about their future. They will 596 00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:41,400 Speaker 1: be but they will be led by in those conversations 597 00:35:41,440 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: a sitting president by the end of the month. And 598 00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:47,680 Speaker 1: anytime you have a party in power resident in the 599 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:50,040 Speaker 1: White House, you're gonna get a lot of direction from 600 00:35:50,080 --> 00:35:53,000 Speaker 1: the top down, and the Democratic Party hasn't had that 601 00:35:53,080 --> 00:35:55,120 Speaker 1: in the last four years, and so I think this 602 00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:57,400 Speaker 1: is something will be new to them. All Right, We're 603 00:35:57,400 --> 00:35:59,560 Speaker 1: gonna leave it there. Uh that does it for me. 604 00:35:59,600 --> 00:36:03,040 Speaker 1: I'm kept and surreally Chief Washington correspondent for Bloomberg Television 605 00:36:03,040 --> 00:36:06,520 Speaker 1: and for Bloomberg Radio. A busy week and we have 606 00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,640 Speaker 1: every angle covered. This is Bloomberg