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Speaker 1: using enough. You're listening to Software Radio, Special Operations, military

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Speaker 1: news and straight talk with the guys and the Community

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Speaker 1: soft Rep Radio on Time on Target, episode four hundred

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Speaker 1: sixties six. I'm Dennis Jones. The man of my left

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Speaker 1: is Jack Murphy. Welcome everybody. How are you, sir? I'm good.

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Speaker 1: How are you? I'm well? Thank you. First things first,

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Speaker 1: I haven't seen you. But this past weekend was Father's Day,

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Speaker 1: so I know Alice has been in studio the past

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Speaker 1: couple of weeks. Uh, so I wanted to say happy

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Speaker 1: Father's Day to you. Yeah, we had a nice Father's Day,

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Speaker 1: nice weekend. What is that? What does that consist of?

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Speaker 1: I feel like you're a simple man. Yeah, it was

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Speaker 1: up at my parents place. It's just, you know, having

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Speaker 1: to find out yet. Um, so it's a very uneventful

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Speaker 1: weekend for myself. But I digress. I want to get

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Speaker 1: right into some some articles you wrote over the weekend. Um, no, no, no, no,

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Speaker 1: you don't write articles. I mean you do, but but

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Speaker 1: we will not discuss the noss of it. First off,

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Speaker 1: we recorded Thursday. You wrote the article about Cascade. You've

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Speaker 1: mentioned her, right, We were talking about that on the

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Speaker 1: Former Sailor, which which gets me every time. Um. The

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Speaker 1: next article I want to mention was was it Monday?

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Speaker 1: Was the shooter in Dallas? Yeah? That was yesterday. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: So you wrote an article just I mean basically describing

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Speaker 1: him how he was an army infantry man. Uh take

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Speaker 1: it away. Well, Uh so this dude shows up at

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Speaker 1: tactical gear, all that, all that stuff. Uh, shows up

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Speaker 1: start shooting. Reportedly, he actually pointed his rifle at some people,

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Speaker 1: interesting to see what comes out of the investigation. But

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Speaker 1: he did apparently discharge his weapon. Um. Then the the

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Speaker 1: it just it seemed it wasn't on my radar as

426
00:24:24,640 --> 00:24:26,960
Speaker 1: a child. Honestly, it was just something that was out

427
00:24:26,960 --> 00:24:28,879
Speaker 1: of sight, out of mind. But you know, as I

428
00:24:28,920 --> 00:24:33,959
Speaker 1: got closer, as I joined, as I graduated high school,

429
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:37,240
Speaker 1: got into college, and I was I was a college athlete.

430
00:24:38,760 --> 00:24:40,720
Speaker 1: It was a very small child. I just I really

431
00:24:40,840 --> 00:24:45,159
Speaker 1: enjoyed working hard. I really liked the challenge of uh,

432
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,679
Speaker 1: you know, effort. I liked because I could control that.

433
00:24:47,720 --> 00:24:51,199
Speaker 1: I wasn't was a good college baseball player, um, but

434
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:53,879
Speaker 1: I was really good at training, you know, working really

435
00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 1: hard at the sport or other sports. So you know,

436
00:24:57,760 --> 00:25:01,160
Speaker 1: it's interesting that there wasn't one instance where I was like, yeah,

437
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: this is the moment or this is the person I met.

438
00:25:03,840 --> 00:25:06,760
Speaker 1: And it was just something that was in my head

439
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: through my childhood just because I heard that, you know,

440
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,719
Speaker 1: being an abcal like would it challenged, that will be

441
00:25:12,720 --> 00:25:15,920
Speaker 1: it's the most difficult physical challenge, and you know we've

442
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:19,479
Speaker 1: heard all that stuff. That's what that's what stuck with

443
00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:23,119
Speaker 1: me is the fact that this this immense, this perceived

444
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:28,320
Speaker 1: immense challenge, uh came along with getting into getting into

445
00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 1: the you know, into the job. So that really appealed

446
00:25:31,320 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: to me in college. It just continue to stick with

447
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: me more and more, and I enjoyed working, you know,

448
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:42,119
Speaker 1: training really hard even more and more, and come, you know,

449
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:44,439
Speaker 1: I get through grad school and in the midst of

450
00:25:44,440 --> 00:25:46,600
Speaker 1: grad school and I finally was like, yeah, this is

451
00:25:46,960 --> 00:25:49,159
Speaker 1: this is more of a calling. And that's what I mean, Like,

452
00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:52,720
Speaker 1: looking back, it wasn't like this moment, It wasn't a

453
00:25:52,720 --> 00:25:56,040
Speaker 1: cute moment. It really was very much a calling for me.

454
00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: That was just it was whisper, whisper, whisper, and then

455
00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:01,159
Speaker 1: all when it was read, it was this loud voice

456
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: and uh metaphorically of course I'm not hearing voices, but

457
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: that's that's that's that's really where it came from. I

458
00:26:09,200 --> 00:26:12,760
Speaker 1: just I was compelled to do it. And you know

459
00:26:13,640 --> 00:26:18,760
Speaker 1: that's what the the double sided answer is that people

460
00:26:18,840 --> 00:26:21,240
Speaker 1: was like what Jeff, were ever worried about quit and

461
00:26:21,280 --> 00:26:24,399
Speaker 1: wherever No, I wasn't Like I was so compelled to

462
00:26:24,480 --> 00:26:27,119
Speaker 1: do it that it was just something I had to do,

463
00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:29,480
Speaker 1: not something I was there trying to do. It's something

464
00:26:29,520 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: I really I had to fulfill that need and it was.

465
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,600
Speaker 1: And then then it led me to hear it was

466
00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:38,560
Speaker 1: like you were on track and there's just no getting

467
00:26:38,560 --> 00:26:40,000
Speaker 1: off it. You're one of those guys that you were

468
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: going to buds and they were either going to take

469
00:26:41,520 --> 00:26:44,240
Speaker 1: you off back to back on a stretcher or you

470
00:26:44,280 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 1: were going to graduate one of the one way or

471
00:26:45,960 --> 00:26:48,640
Speaker 1: the other. Yeah, that was kind of the cliche. Fortunately

472
00:26:48,720 --> 00:26:51,199
Speaker 1: for me, I was a strength coach in college and

473
00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: my profession was to prepare people physically. So having that

474
00:26:56,119 --> 00:26:59,359
Speaker 1: sort of like I'll die before I equit mentality and

475
00:26:59,480 --> 00:27:03,520
Speaker 1: conjunct with oh I can I can program this thing

476
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:08,800
Speaker 1: six eighteen months out so I know I'm physically prepared,

477
00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:12,040
Speaker 1: and then I can really lean on my my ability

478
00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:15,880
Speaker 1: to my my ability to not give up. Like that's

479
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:18,639
Speaker 1: why I needed to tap into myself physically so I

480
00:27:18,680 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: could rely on my mental aptitude. Well, what did you

481
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,560
Speaker 1: do to prepare that that's really interesting. I don't think

482
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: I ever heard someone talk about it in that regards

483
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:29,199
Speaker 1: as far as you know and yourself as a as

484
00:27:29,200 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: a sports physiology professional knowing how to do that. Yeah, like, um,

485
00:27:35,440 --> 00:27:38,800
Speaker 1: coming from that, we'll call it that traditional sort of

486
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:41,600
Speaker 1: meat head lift, heavyweight, all the time strength coach world,

487
00:27:41,680 --> 00:27:44,040
Speaker 1: which I mean that with with respect. I don't mean

488
00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,880
Speaker 1: that is like a certainly asn't a slight because I'm

489
00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:50,560
Speaker 1: part of that world. Um, you know, I didn't have

490
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,640
Speaker 1: a problem with the PT side, the push ups, pull ups,

491
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: all that stuff. The swimming certainly at zero is that

492
00:27:56,320 --> 00:27:59,000
Speaker 1: because of my background and swimming. What it really came

493
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:00,919
Speaker 1: down to is when I really tried to become a

494
00:28:00,960 --> 00:28:07,960
Speaker 1: better runner, really improve my running um for preparation, I had,

495
00:28:08,119 --> 00:28:09,280
Speaker 1: you know, I was a strength I was a strength

496
00:28:09,280 --> 00:28:11,000
Speaker 1: coach to college, and I knew the strength coach, I

497
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:13,520
Speaker 1: knew the track coaches. I knew that the Catholic coach

498
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:15,800
Speaker 1: because I worked with him as a you know, as

499
00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: a as a peer essentially. Well, I I that's what

500
00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,119
Speaker 1: I did. I went to this track and track coach,

501
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,680
Speaker 1: I went to the cross country coach, and I went

502
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,080
Speaker 1: to the There was a really good there's a an

503
00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:29,280
Speaker 1: All American on the track team and the cost country

504
00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:32,040
Speaker 1: team from the UK one of the athletes, so I

505
00:28:32,080 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: basically just I became the guy asking them questions, Hey,

506
00:28:36,520 --> 00:28:38,680
Speaker 1: if you had to do a four mile time run,

507
00:28:38,720 --> 00:28:40,880
Speaker 1: how would you prepare for it? If you had to

508
00:28:40,920 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: do a ten mile run or a two mile run,

509
00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 1: if you had to do a mile and a half, right,

510
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,760
Speaker 1: which essentially a sprint distance, not quiet but almost on

511
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,160
Speaker 1: Olympic level, It's like, how would you program for it?

512
00:28:50,360 --> 00:28:53,800
Speaker 1: And I realized that it wasn't just run more, you know,

513
00:28:53,880 --> 00:28:56,480
Speaker 1: and working with these coaches and it made me step

514
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,400
Speaker 1: back as a strength coach and go, oh, I can't

515
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:01,920
Speaker 1: just take this square peg and just mash it in

516
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:05,760
Speaker 1: this round hole, like, let's use math and physiology. And really,

517
00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:10,360
Speaker 1: because it forced me at a young age, young strength coaches,

518
00:29:10,440 --> 00:29:13,400
Speaker 1: it really forced me to think outside of that, you know,

519
00:29:13,520 --> 00:29:17,240
Speaker 1: three cents of ten box. It was really good because

520
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:20,760
Speaker 1: I had coaches that helped guide me. For those eighteen months,

521
00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,240
Speaker 1: I just treated myself. The best advice I got was

522
00:29:23,320 --> 00:29:25,760
Speaker 1: this was from the track coach. He goes, as far

523
00:29:25,800 --> 00:29:29,040
Speaker 1: as I can see, he goes, you're just essentially preparing

524
00:29:29,080 --> 00:29:32,080
Speaker 1: to be the best decathlete that you can, you know,

525
00:29:32,120 --> 00:29:35,240
Speaker 1: and it's stuck with me. So I really started looking

526
00:29:35,240 --> 00:29:37,960
Speaker 1: and see what the decathletes were doing. And that's that's

527
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 1: how I program myself was to be a decathlete. I mean,

528
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,480
Speaker 1: as much as you were, you know, a super stud

529
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,840
Speaker 1: and also a great trainer, and you were you were

530
00:29:46,880 --> 00:29:49,880
Speaker 1: training smarter rather than harder. When you go to a

531
00:29:49,920 --> 00:29:52,320
Speaker 1: course like Buds, did you still have that moment where

532
00:29:52,360 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: it's like, man, this sucks. Why am I doing this

533
00:29:55,360 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: to myself? Where you where you have to dig deep

534
00:29:57,120 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: and and it's about more than the physical preparation. Yeah,

535
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:05,760
Speaker 1: there're certainly there. They're suit certainly a multitude, especially early

536
00:30:05,800 --> 00:30:08,120
Speaker 1: on of those instances or you're just like really this

537
00:30:09,360 --> 00:30:11,360
Speaker 1: for me, I was like, you gotta be kidding, not

538
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:14,280
Speaker 1: because it was this is so difficult and and own

539
00:30:14,360 --> 00:30:17,880
Speaker 1: right it was. I was more frustrated that people didn't

540
00:30:17,880 --> 00:30:21,400
Speaker 1: show up prepared. It sounds crazy, right, There's a hundred

541
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: and eighty eight people in my Bouts Class twenty two

542
00:30:23,360 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 1: of the original made it through and it and it

543
00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:28,239
Speaker 1: baffled me. And it's still to this day it baffles me,

544
00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,520
Speaker 1: which is why a big reason why I do. What

545
00:30:30,560 --> 00:30:34,000
Speaker 1: I do is why so many people are willing to

546
00:30:34,080 --> 00:30:37,920
Speaker 1: go do or try something without really preparing for it.

547
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,560
Speaker 1: And whether it's a sport, whether it's a college world,

548
00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,080
Speaker 1: whether it's a corporate business world, you know, it doesn't

549
00:30:44,120 --> 00:30:48,200
Speaker 1: matter what it is. Is I there is a lot

550
00:30:48,240 --> 00:30:53,400
Speaker 1: of availability of information fortunately, you know, unfortunately got addict

551
00:30:53,440 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: you a lot of information because there's a lot of

552
00:30:55,120 --> 00:30:59,560
Speaker 1: availability for knowledge. It's just trying to find that knowledge

553
00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:01,760
Speaker 1: to prepare a people. And that's that's kind of where

554
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:04,920
Speaker 1: I try to that's my platform of information, that's my

555
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:07,200
Speaker 1: launching pad. I want to make sure people have a

556
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:10,000
Speaker 1: platform where they know they can at least find there

557
00:31:10,240 --> 00:31:12,600
Speaker 1: what I referred as their starting blocks. What's a good

558
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: place for me to start if I'm gonna prepare for

559
00:31:14,880 --> 00:31:18,240
Speaker 1: this this route. Um, And that was the big thing,

560
00:31:18,240 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 1: Like I said, it was just I was just really

561
00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 1: surprised that people didn't prepare. You know, we had of

562
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: the Buds class quit in the first three weeks. And

563
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:30,040
Speaker 1: it's like, well, everyone is physically capable. And I'll say that,

564
00:31:30,080 --> 00:31:34,280
Speaker 1: like the people that show up the Buds are physically capable,

565
00:31:35,080 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: emotionally not and and that's okay. You know, it's not

566
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 1: a slight towards them at all. I think there's there

567
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:44,600
Speaker 1: is no if you if you quit buds or you

568
00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,080
Speaker 1: don't make it through buds, it doesn't devalue as a

569
00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:51,960
Speaker 1: human at all. It's just you know, that's just a

570
00:31:52,000 --> 00:31:53,840
Speaker 1: you know, fork in a row that somebody took a

571
00:31:53,840 --> 00:31:56,320
Speaker 1: different way. That's that's the way I see it. No,

572
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: that's a great comment. I think the other thing I

573
00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: want to find all up on with you on that

574
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,720
Speaker 1: that is we don't talk about as much as UM

575
00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,040
Speaker 1: because I believe you were the strength and conditioning coach

576
00:32:07,120 --> 00:32:11,680
Speaker 1: in your unit as well. Um, what is UM after buds?

577
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: After all of that is over? What can we do

578
00:32:14,880 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: or what what did you do to make sure that

579
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 1: these guys have some durability and that they can serve

580
00:32:19,720 --> 00:32:22,520
Speaker 1: their twenty years and make it through a very arduous

581
00:32:22,960 --> 00:32:26,920
Speaker 1: special operations career? Um? And how does that differ maybe

582
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,600
Speaker 1: from how you prepared from buds to how you kept

583
00:32:29,600 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 1: guys doing their job. Yeah, there's that right there. The

584
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,480
Speaker 1: scenario will call it that you just laid out too.

585
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:39,920
Speaker 1: In my opinion, is one of the one of the

586
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:45,360
Speaker 1: more comprehensive difficulties that we all have to uh face

587
00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 1: and this is what I mean. There is this real

588
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: mentality that that preparation for that military bud style like that,

589
00:32:52,800 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: it's that it continues throughout a person's career, and that

590
00:32:56,920 --> 00:33:01,800
Speaker 1: it should continue because the world's inten some yep, got it,

591
00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:04,080
Speaker 1: Like I can understand how there can be a misconception

592
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,480
Speaker 1: that that's the idea, is that we want to continue

593
00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 1: to train into our career as if we're preparing for it. Right,

594
00:33:11,520 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: that's just And here's the thing stepping back to what

595
00:33:15,520 --> 00:33:18,920
Speaker 1: everyone has to understand. Whether it's Ranger school or buds

596
00:33:19,040 --> 00:33:22,120
Speaker 1: or s f A S or mar sock or you know,

597
00:33:22,200 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: or you're gonna go into the federal side and do

598
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: HRT or you know, you know the border patrol folks man,

599
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: they just get crushed and and they have to understand

600
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:38,120
Speaker 1: that those selection courses to get into those programs are

601
00:33:38,240 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 1: equally d selection, right, They are meant to be so

602
00:33:42,680 --> 00:33:46,400
Speaker 1: challenging to get the individuals to question their willingness to

603
00:33:46,440 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: be there, and we can't devalue that. If we devalue that,

604
00:33:50,040 --> 00:33:52,720
Speaker 1: then well what ends up happening is what's happening in

605
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,880
Speaker 1: the army right now, they're cutting curriculum, right, and all

606
00:33:55,920 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: these sort of things that I don't agree with, and

607
00:33:57,640 --> 00:34:00,360
Speaker 1: that's okay, I'm not in charge. So but my going

608
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: back on it's like, okay, how do we explain and

609
00:34:03,920 --> 00:34:07,680
Speaker 1: how do you differentiate between how to train four during

610
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:12,000
Speaker 1: and after? Okay? And the thing is is we're trying

611
00:34:12,000 --> 00:34:15,600
Speaker 1: to build resiliency for this acute six month, four month,

612
00:34:15,640 --> 00:34:18,480
Speaker 1: three month training program ahead of time, so that training

613
00:34:18,520 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: looks according right we get out. I don't need to

614
00:34:22,080 --> 00:34:25,279
Speaker 1: test them physically as much as you know, that's that's

615
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,319
Speaker 1: not the test. The test on after we get through

616
00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 1: training really is Okay, how do we create longevity? Okay,

617
00:34:33,480 --> 00:34:37,520
Speaker 1: long term longevity some way argue, hey, yeah, that's what

618
00:34:37,520 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 1: you're doing. You're you're creating this toughness before so they

619
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,520
Speaker 1: have the longevity of Buds. Well, there's a reason why

620
00:34:43,560 --> 00:34:46,000
Speaker 1: Buds is only six months long. Outside of the curriculum

621
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:48,319
Speaker 1: comes to an end. It's like, there's only so much

622
00:34:48,400 --> 00:34:52,040
Speaker 1: you can grind people down and then you have to rebuild.

623
00:34:52,440 --> 00:34:55,879
Speaker 1: And that's the thing is when a guy gets into

624
00:34:55,880 --> 00:34:57,919
Speaker 1: the community, after he gets his tried enter, he gets

625
00:34:57,920 --> 00:35:00,919
Speaker 1: his warfare pin or whatever may be. Now the race

626
00:35:01,000 --> 00:35:04,680
Speaker 1: is different. Now becomes a marathon. Okay, Now we have

627
00:35:04,800 --> 00:35:09,600
Speaker 1: to we have to possess, maintain, and be able to

628
00:35:09,680 --> 00:35:15,520
Speaker 1: improve all these capacities post deployment, pre deployment, okay, because

629
00:35:15,560 --> 00:35:18,160
Speaker 1: that grind doesn't end. There is no off season. And

630
00:35:18,200 --> 00:35:21,680
Speaker 1: that's it's that that that has become kind of the

631
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,760
Speaker 1: buzz phrase. But if I focus more on the point

632
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:30,200
Speaker 1: of like, okay, in the selection processes that you that

633
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:33,960
Speaker 1: we encounter buds as an example, right, it's the system

634
00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:36,480
Speaker 1: that you're not changing. A person isn't coming into that

635
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 1: system and making change to it. You're conforming to it.

636
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: When you get through selection, you show up your unit,

637
00:35:43,600 --> 00:35:47,320
Speaker 1: You're you're conforming to the operational unit. You're not conforming

638
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:51,480
Speaker 1: to the physical constraints. You have to train them. Okay,

639
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,000
Speaker 1: you have then you're the athlete, right then you're the

640
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:58,279
Speaker 1: guy that's like, we have to train specifically. And that's

641
00:35:58,280 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: where you know, it's this is a very long sort

642
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 1: of kind of statement, without a without a real true point.

643
00:36:05,120 --> 00:36:09,160
Speaker 1: But what gets you there will not keep you there.

644
00:36:09,239 --> 00:36:12,400
Speaker 1: And that's that's the fact. What gets you in and

645
00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:15,960
Speaker 1: through buds will not keep you in. The team's healthy.

646
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:19,520
Speaker 1: It's a different it's a different game entirely, and so

647
00:36:19,880 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: we've got to get people to think, just to stop thinking.

648
00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:25,120
Speaker 1: While I'm done with training will, I'm still going to

649
00:36:25,200 --> 00:36:27,480
Speaker 1: be a badass and i still gonna burn the candle

650
00:36:27,560 --> 00:36:31,320
Speaker 1: both ends. That's not at all how the human body works,

651
00:36:31,719 --> 00:36:34,480
Speaker 1: especially when we're trying to be optimal. So what was

652
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:37,319
Speaker 1: your approach and training operators when it comes to their

653
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: physical fitness, Because, I mean, these guys got to be

654
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,359
Speaker 1: able to in your case, they've got to be able

655
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 1: to dive, they've got to be able to carry heavy

656
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,640
Speaker 1: loads up mountains, maybe the even patrol in the jungle.

657
00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:48,600
Speaker 1: I mean, there are just so many different mission sets

658
00:36:48,600 --> 00:36:50,480
Speaker 1: that you could possibly get. I mean it must have

659
00:36:50,520 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: been a challenge. Yeah, it's still maintains a challenge, and

660
00:36:55,680 --> 00:36:57,719
Speaker 1: for the rear very. For that very reason, I just

661
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:02,360
Speaker 1: laid out what gets these people there, right what you

662
00:37:02,400 --> 00:37:04,759
Speaker 1: can use the same argument in pro sports, and so

663
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: just bear with me. I'll keep this brief. So when

664
00:37:07,120 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 1: you have a pro athlete a year or two in,

665
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:12,680
Speaker 1: you know NFL will say it, and you're trying to

666
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,439
Speaker 1: convince them a coach, you should do this, you should

667
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:17,120
Speaker 1: do this, you should do this. That pro athlete a

668
00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: lot of times will go, wait a minute, what got

669
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,200
Speaker 1: me here is what got me success, And there's there's

670
00:37:23,239 --> 00:37:26,120
Speaker 1: this fear that if they change what got them there,

671
00:37:26,640 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: that they won't be able to continue to perpetuate that

672
00:37:28,960 --> 00:37:34,000
Speaker 1: successful skill. Right, that's a successful effort. And that's the

673
00:37:34,080 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: same thing that happens a lot of times the teams

674
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,279
Speaker 1: are like, wait a minute, I was a badass. I

675
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:40,520
Speaker 1: got through Buds, I handled it, I did all these

676
00:37:40,520 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: tough things. Well, I gotta keep doing it, Like that's

677
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: I gotta keep I gotta keep validating myself. And and

678
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:51,440
Speaker 1: that does not work. It doesn't. It never works, and

679
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:54,160
Speaker 1: it never will. And anyone that says, well, I just

680
00:37:54,280 --> 00:37:57,080
Speaker 1: keep doing this and that's cool, it's it's the same

681
00:37:57,160 --> 00:37:59,480
Speaker 1: argument someone says, yeah, I do find out five hours

682
00:37:59,480 --> 00:38:01,719
Speaker 1: of sleep. There's not a human on the planet that's

683
00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,640
Speaker 1: gonna do better on five than they would seven. So

684
00:38:04,680 --> 00:38:07,319
Speaker 1: that's just that's that's the fact. So it's the same

685
00:38:07,400 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: argument that I just I gotta get people to stop

686
00:38:09,480 --> 00:38:11,960
Speaker 1: making the point. It's like, got it, man, you're not

687
00:38:12,040 --> 00:38:15,480
Speaker 1: preparing for Buds, You're not. Like it's same thing with

688
00:38:15,520 --> 00:38:18,520
Speaker 1: the fighters I work with the career of a mixed

689
00:38:18,560 --> 00:38:22,840
Speaker 1: martial arts fighter isn't shortened in the octagon, it's shorten

690
00:38:22,880 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 1: in the training. And and the athlete that does the

691
00:38:26,040 --> 00:38:29,439
Speaker 1: training the best right does basically the minimum, but yet

692
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:32,640
Speaker 1: the max. Right, they do the maximum they can do,

693
00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:35,680
Speaker 1: but it's really the minimum dose of that maximum to

694
00:38:35,719 --> 00:38:39,040
Speaker 1: get a benefit. And that's hard to get people fighters,

695
00:38:39,400 --> 00:38:42,520
Speaker 1: special forces guys, military police to go, hey, we want

696
00:38:42,520 --> 00:38:45,360
Speaker 1: you to train hard, but not as hard as you

697
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:48,239
Speaker 1: can every day. To them, that's very foreign because that

698
00:38:48,320 --> 00:38:52,600
Speaker 1: selection process has said it's it's reinforced. If you do this,

699
00:38:52,719 --> 00:38:56,799
Speaker 1: you'll be successful physically. It's it's it's like they're they

700
00:38:56,800 --> 00:38:59,399
Speaker 1: don't want to give up that blue blankete, like like, oh,

701
00:38:59,440 --> 00:39:02,120
Speaker 1: that's that's the comfort, that's what got me here. And

702
00:39:02,160 --> 00:39:04,960
Speaker 1: trying to get them to think that, get outside the

703
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,440
Speaker 1: box and go, you're not a student anymore. You're an operator.

704
00:39:08,800 --> 00:39:10,799
Speaker 1: You've got to treat yourself like that. You're gonna have

705
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 1: a very short, painful career. So it's more about sustainability

706
00:39:15,360 --> 00:39:17,960
Speaker 1: over the long haul rather than you know, I guess

707
00:39:18,200 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 1: what comes to mind is like these CrossFit workouts where

708
00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:24,600
Speaker 1: people are just training to exhaustion every single day. Yeah,

709
00:39:24,680 --> 00:39:27,400
Speaker 1: there's there's a reason why marathoners don't run a marathon

710
00:39:27,480 --> 00:39:29,960
Speaker 1: every day leading up to a marathon. There's a reason

711
00:39:30,000 --> 00:39:34,440
Speaker 1: why every in the know professional world class athlete is

712
00:39:34,480 --> 00:39:38,800
Speaker 1: taking their deloading prior to competition. Like there's these norms

713
00:39:38,840 --> 00:39:44,000
Speaker 1: that constantly happen in these elite athletic realms now because

714
00:39:44,040 --> 00:39:48,200
Speaker 1: there is no offseason, because we can't plan and program events.

715
00:39:48,239 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: You're not we're not planning operations missions, you know, every

716
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:55,040
Speaker 1: third day and definitely like it's really as the information comes, right,

717
00:39:55,080 --> 00:39:58,560
Speaker 1: so we I understand that you can't make these very

718
00:39:58,640 --> 00:40:03,759
Speaker 1: beautiful as thematic laid out long term plans. But that's

719
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: the difference too, is we're expecting these operators to be

720
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:11,719
Speaker 1: on target, to make very finite, last minute, critical decisions

721
00:40:12,000 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 1: with efficiency and accuracy. Like that's what we're asking these

722
00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,120
Speaker 1: men and women to do on target. I'm asking those

723
00:40:18,160 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: men and women do the same thing, not on target

724
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,560
Speaker 1: in the weight room, with their sleep, their diet, in

725
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,040
Speaker 1: their program because what to me, it seems extremely ignorant.

726
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: It's like I'm expecting these operators to do a hostage

727
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:36,040
Speaker 1: rescue at night in these these non permissive environments. Okay,

728
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,520
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to come into this nice, quiet, clean

729
00:40:38,640 --> 00:40:40,919
Speaker 1: Jim with all the supplements in the world you want.

730
00:40:41,160 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 1: You've slept eight hours, right, We've got float tanks and

731
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,040
Speaker 1: I our saunas, an acupuncture and all these sort of things.

732
00:40:47,320 --> 00:40:51,239
Speaker 1: I'm asking you to treat yourself like you want to

733
00:40:51,280 --> 00:40:53,799
Speaker 1: get better, like you need to get healthy, and like

734
00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: you have room to get better. And that's where people's ego,

735
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: you know, guilty and I I'm not throwing anyone under

736
00:41:01,239 --> 00:41:03,319
Speaker 1: the bus. I'm the first one to tell you that

737
00:41:03,920 --> 00:41:06,560
Speaker 1: I was the difficult guy to talk to ten years ago,

738
00:41:06,640 --> 00:41:10,160
Speaker 1: the teams ago. Jeff, why are you lifting heavy every day?

739
00:41:10,200 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: Because that's what I'm supposed to do. And it's like, Okay,

740
00:41:13,600 --> 00:41:15,840
Speaker 1: it didn't work for me. It didn't work for I

741
00:41:15,880 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: don't know why. I you know, because I got sucked

742
00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:22,120
Speaker 1: into that mentality early on too. Right, intense, intense, intense.

743
00:41:22,600 --> 00:41:25,560
Speaker 1: We want you all to train intensely, but we also

744
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,080
Speaker 1: wanted you to value your off time or your recovery

745
00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:31,680
Speaker 1: time so you can continue to train as hard as

746
00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,840
Speaker 1: you want. Because again rule number one is do what

747
00:41:34,960 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 1: you enjoy when it comes to training. But we still

748
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:41,400
Speaker 1: want everyone to do if it's CrossFit if it's power lifting,

749
00:41:41,440 --> 00:41:44,240
Speaker 1: if it's long distance running. We still want our guys

750
00:41:44,280 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: to do what's fun, what they enjoy. But we can't

751
00:41:47,560 --> 00:41:50,759
Speaker 1: do that and neglect of things that we know. We

752
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:54,719
Speaker 1: need to maintain that health and that and that that

753
00:41:54,800 --> 00:41:58,480
Speaker 1: ability to operate all the time. We need to be

754
00:41:58,560 --> 00:42:02,040
Speaker 1: able to do that. And this is something you did

755
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,480
Speaker 1: before the Navy, during the Navy, And now can you

756
00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 1: tell us a little bit about you're still in this

757
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:09,959
Speaker 1: field strength conditioning today. Can you tell us a little

758
00:42:09,960 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 1: bit about what you do for your clients. Yeah, the

759
00:42:12,640 --> 00:42:14,399
Speaker 1: bulk of the bulk of the folks that I work

760
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,360
Speaker 1: with are folks preparing for the service, for military law enforcement,

761
00:42:19,400 --> 00:42:24,560
Speaker 1: fire service. I would say that probably a majority we'll

762
00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,560
Speaker 1: call it them or trying to get into some some

763
00:42:27,680 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: form of special forces programming. The other are active duty

764
00:42:32,040 --> 00:42:38,480
Speaker 1: folks trying to do exactly what we're laying out. Have longevity,

765
00:42:38,719 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: minimize joint joint stiffness, soren is pain, Okay, we want

766
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:47,200
Speaker 1: to improve movement and that's that's typically what I'm really

767
00:42:47,239 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: focused on them right now is the demographic the military,

768
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:54,399
Speaker 1: law enforcement and fire you know, federal, local, state, all

769
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:59,320
Speaker 1: that I want to be able to offer them opportunity

770
00:43:00,080 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 1: so they can regardless of their state of training, right

771
00:43:04,120 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 1: if you've you know, some guys have gotten hurt and

772
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 1: put training away for a while, some guys trained too much,

773
00:43:08,880 --> 00:43:11,480
Speaker 1: some guys are training just right. But being able to

774
00:43:11,520 --> 00:43:13,719
Speaker 1: get all of those people on the page of going

775
00:43:13,760 --> 00:43:16,600
Speaker 1: all right, you have to create an individual cycle in

776
00:43:16,640 --> 00:43:20,480
Speaker 1: your life. You have to create even with no offseason.

777
00:43:21,280 --> 00:43:26,000
Speaker 1: You have to you have to dose yourself. You can't

778
00:43:26,040 --> 00:43:28,760
Speaker 1: lift heavy all the time. You can't run long distance

779
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,720
Speaker 1: all the time, you can't train high intensity all the time.

780
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:37,279
Speaker 1: It's trying to create this basically, this program that is

781
00:43:37,320 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: all encompassing. It has has all of your energy systems,

782
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:43,200
Speaker 1: has all your planes of movements, it has all your

783
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:46,919
Speaker 1: body parts. Okay, it's working speed, it's working power, it's

784
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:50,239
Speaker 1: working strength, it's working in durance, it's working all of

785
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:55,040
Speaker 1: those components. It's just they can't be trained optimally simultaneously.

786
00:43:55,880 --> 00:43:59,560
Speaker 1: That's the big thing. And you can't fool physics and

787
00:43:59,600 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 1: you only can't fool physiology. So that's that's really the

788
00:44:04,200 --> 00:44:07,400
Speaker 1: summary is like I'm trying to put out information to

789
00:44:07,520 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 1: get everybody to begin to structure their program in periods

790
00:44:11,360 --> 00:44:14,359
Speaker 1: of time that's what it's called periodization. So for a

791
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 1: period of time i might work strength, and then a

792
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,319
Speaker 1: period of time I'm gonna do absolute strength or speed

793
00:44:19,400 --> 00:44:21,279
Speaker 1: or power. It's like, well, from period of time, I

794
00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,040
Speaker 1: just really need to work endurance because my aerobic endurance

795
00:44:24,080 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 1: has suffered because we just came off winner and winter.

796
00:44:26,760 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: I typically lift more, right for example. Just trying to

797
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:33,359
Speaker 1: get everybody an annual routine in their head so they're

798
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,719
Speaker 1: not just linear like every day it's lift heavier, lift

799
00:44:36,760 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: more lift, or time swim further, run further. We've got

800
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:44,640
Speaker 1: to create other parameters than just time and distance. Have

801
00:44:44,680 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: you seen success with that? Is UM As far as

802
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,560
Speaker 1: having guys be able to retire from their service and

803
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:55,200
Speaker 1: you know still I think I've said before, UM, you know,

804
00:44:55,239 --> 00:44:57,480
Speaker 1: when these guys retire after there's twenty years of service,

805
00:44:57,520 --> 00:44:59,160
Speaker 1: we hope that they're still able to like run around

806
00:44:59,239 --> 00:45:01,400
Speaker 1: chase after their it's in play with them. I'm just

807
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,280
Speaker 1: wondering if this kind of programming UM keeps a guy

808
00:45:05,280 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 1: healthy and active and even after their military service, that

809
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 1: their joints aren't all busted up, that they can still

810
00:45:11,360 --> 00:45:14,040
Speaker 1: they're still mobile. UM. You know, we all we all

811
00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:16,720
Speaker 1: know these stories about you know, so many of veterans

812
00:45:16,760 --> 00:45:19,680
Speaker 1: who are in VA, they have all these problems. Can

813
00:45:19,719 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 1: this kind of programming you're talking about help alleviate a

814
00:45:22,239 --> 00:45:29,160
Speaker 1: lot of this? It can alleviate almost everything. Uh, unless

815
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,160
Speaker 1: you've had a pre existing catastrophic injury to a joint,

816
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:35,840
Speaker 1: to a ligament, to attending where there is no reconstruction capability,

817
00:45:36,080 --> 00:45:39,319
Speaker 1: as long as that joint is intact, right, as long

818
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:42,360
Speaker 1: as those muscles are intact, as long as your bones

819
00:45:42,480 --> 00:45:47,960
Speaker 1: can move along those joints. Okay, almost everything that you

820
00:45:48,040 --> 00:45:53,680
Speaker 1: experienced from pain, discomfort, tightness, immobility can be almost completely improved,

821
00:45:53,800 --> 00:45:57,680
Speaker 1: not even just repaired or get back to baseline. Even

822
00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:01,280
Speaker 1: at forty fifty and sixty years old. You can improve

823
00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,280
Speaker 1: those those joints, ligaments, and tendons as long as they're intact,

824
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: and you can do it without pain. So and that

825
00:46:09,520 --> 00:46:12,799
Speaker 1: sounds like, wait a minute, that's real. Harry Ferry. There's

826
00:46:12,840 --> 00:46:15,520
Speaker 1: not a person I've ever encountered in my years of training,

827
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:20,279
Speaker 1: especially over the last six I've sold seventeen thousand programs

828
00:46:20,280 --> 00:46:24,400
Speaker 1: in the last twelve or fourteen months, um and I

829
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:26,880
Speaker 1: have yet to encounter somebody that hasn't been able to

830
00:46:26,880 --> 00:46:31,040
Speaker 1: overcome if they move within their capability, whereas I mean,

831
00:46:31,440 --> 00:46:35,080
Speaker 1: if they're not forcing a range of motion. Okay, if there,

832
00:46:35,320 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: I call it ratcheting, right, Oh, I can't get down

833
00:46:38,160 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: to my squad depth that I want. Well, when you

834
00:46:41,760 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 1: start feeling tightness, that's your new bottom, for example, And

835
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:47,320
Speaker 1: that's where we're gonna work down from there. We're gonna

836
00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:49,400
Speaker 1: get to there and ratchet down a little bit and

837
00:46:49,440 --> 00:46:51,560
Speaker 1: work that, you know, work that inch and a half

838
00:46:51,640 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: just for a week. Right, we got we gotta step.

839
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,520
Speaker 1: We can't go from you know, a thirty degree flex

840
00:46:57,600 --> 00:47:01,480
Speaker 1: knee right and change that do that knee angle twenty

841
00:47:01,560 --> 00:47:03,440
Speaker 1: degrees right out of the gate. A lot of times,

842
00:47:03,680 --> 00:47:07,040
Speaker 1: especially the hip. That's where the problem with special forces

843
00:47:07,080 --> 00:47:10,160
Speaker 1: guy's military law enforcement with love. I mean, the problem

844
00:47:10,239 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 1: is like because I'm the same guy. It's like these

845
00:47:12,760 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: these folks typically we gotta pull the reins back because

846
00:47:16,239 --> 00:47:19,319
Speaker 1: they're training so hard, Like no, no, you actually kind

847
00:47:19,320 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: of gotta let the muscle relax a little bit, rest repair,

848
00:47:23,000 --> 00:47:26,400
Speaker 1: rather than just like I'm gonna force this joint angle. Okay.

849
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,200
Speaker 1: So that's really what it's just trying to get guys

850
00:47:29,239 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: to be patient with the programming. But here's the thing

851
00:47:33,920 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: is like, if I ask anybody, I'll say, what what

852
00:47:36,600 --> 00:47:39,600
Speaker 1: has the last year been been like for the training?

853
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:43,080
Speaker 1: And a lot of times it's they're searching for answers

854
00:47:43,440 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: but don't ever find any. Yet they continue to do

855
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,799
Speaker 1: the same thing. And so again it's it's hard for

856
00:47:49,840 --> 00:47:52,080
Speaker 1: people to change even if they know they're not doing

857
00:47:52,080 --> 00:47:56,879
Speaker 1: it right. So, and that's the thing too, is it's

858
00:47:56,960 --> 00:48:00,440
Speaker 1: unfortunate that the fitness world has done such a terrible

859
00:48:00,520 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: job educating movement patterns and what a proper squat looks like.

860
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:08,680
Speaker 1: And then you have so many people out there, unfortunately

861
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:12,719
Speaker 1: that really aren't in the knowledge world at all. They

862
00:48:12,760 --> 00:48:16,160
Speaker 1: just have a body type, right, and they got lucky. Honestly,

863
00:48:16,160 --> 00:48:17,840
Speaker 1: at the end of the day, a lot of people

864
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:21,160
Speaker 1: get a body type and they get lucky as far

865
00:48:21,200 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 1: as their movements concerned. Right. I mean, if you look

866
00:48:24,120 --> 00:48:27,520
Speaker 1: at go through Instagram and look at find a find

867
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 1: a fifty photos of someone's squatting, those people have their

868
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,960
Speaker 1: pelvis rotated like, their butts working back. Their butt is

869
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:39,520
Speaker 1: sticking back like they're working for tips. If your ass

870
00:48:39,600 --> 00:48:43,320
Speaker 1: is back rotated back, you're out of position to squat.

871
00:48:43,640 --> 00:48:46,840
Speaker 1: You cannot effectively squat, run and jump from that position.

872
00:48:47,239 --> 00:48:50,719
Speaker 1: But that's the position that looks good, right if you

873
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:52,359
Speaker 1: put that bar in your back and you stick your

874
00:48:52,400 --> 00:48:55,680
Speaker 1: ass back, that looks good for a photo. But that's

875
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:58,840
Speaker 1: a terrible squat position to be. And so you have

876
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:01,520
Speaker 1: so many people that scre all through and see this,

877
00:49:01,520 --> 00:49:04,280
Speaker 1: this photo of a squat position. They go, oh yeah,

878
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,439
Speaker 1: they have a bellton and they stick their ass back.

879
00:49:06,600 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 1: That that stabilizes the spine. It couldn't be further from

880
00:49:09,920 --> 00:49:12,560
Speaker 1: the truth. And there's a many examples of things that

881
00:49:12,600 --> 00:49:15,720
Speaker 1: are wrong, but that's one of the more prominent. Or

882
00:49:16,120 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: toes pointing outward when they're squatting at all. Their toes

883
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:24,200
Speaker 1: should be pointing absolutely forward, not even not a little

884
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,959
Speaker 1: bit out at all. Ideally, that's not where we run from.

885
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:30,160
Speaker 1: We don't run toe out. Some people do, okay, but

886
00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: that's not you see. You see what I'm saying is like,

887
00:49:33,200 --> 00:49:35,960
Speaker 1: just because we're in a in a position and there's

888
00:49:35,960 --> 00:49:39,040
Speaker 1: a lot of photos of it, doesn't mean that it's correct.

889
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:42,040
Speaker 1: It's like a friend of mine told me about the

890
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:45,040
Speaker 1: concept of becoming frontally aligned. He said, because we we

891
00:49:45,200 --> 00:49:47,040
Speaker 1: the muscles we see in the mirror are the ones

892
00:49:47,120 --> 00:49:51,600
Speaker 1: we tend to work on when, of course that's your body. Yeah,

893
00:49:51,600 --> 00:49:53,359
Speaker 1: if you were to cut a person in half at

894
00:49:53,360 --> 00:49:56,520
Speaker 1: the waist, just as a decent visual, right, if you're

895
00:49:56,520 --> 00:49:59,000
Speaker 1: looking up into someone's tor so you can kind of

896
00:49:59,040 --> 00:50:01,280
Speaker 1: imagine that rib age is kind of like an upside

897
00:50:01,280 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: down bowl, okay, and then at the waist the same thing.

898
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:07,880
Speaker 1: Those hips, it's kind of another. It's a right side

899
00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,600
Speaker 1: up bowl. Okay. If you imagine two glasses, right, the

900
00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,480
Speaker 1: two lids the same sized glasses. You can marry those

901
00:50:14,480 --> 00:50:16,960
Speaker 1: two lids up. We don't want to cant them one

902
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:19,399
Speaker 1: way or the other. So you gotta imagine your rib

903
00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:23,279
Speaker 1: cage should sit absolutely perpendicular parallel. If you want to

904
00:50:23,280 --> 00:50:26,600
Speaker 1: call the in alignment with your hip cage, your hip,

905
00:50:26,680 --> 00:50:30,320
Speaker 1: your hip girdle, and your rib cage the entire descent

906
00:50:30,480 --> 00:50:32,919
Speaker 1: and us cent of a squad. There shouldn't be any

907
00:50:32,920 --> 00:50:36,279
Speaker 1: pitching of those hips or ribs. And most people the

908
00:50:36,360 --> 00:50:40,200
Speaker 1: ribs are ribs are up, pelvis is spilled back, and

909
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:43,040
Speaker 1: so it's like it's like pac man's mouth is open

910
00:50:43,680 --> 00:50:47,240
Speaker 1: as they squaw. That's wrong. It couldn't be more wrong.

911
00:50:47,719 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 1: And that's what's taught all the time is you know,

912
00:50:50,520 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 1: stick the chest out, rotate the pelvis, and you're out

913
00:50:54,280 --> 00:50:57,000
Speaker 1: of position. You've instantly gotten out of position in a squaw.

914
00:50:57,760 --> 00:51:01,360
Speaker 1: So that's just an example that you should never be

915
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:07,160
Speaker 1: misaligned anteriorly or post dearly with that rib cage and pelvis. Jeff,

916
00:51:07,200 --> 00:51:09,160
Speaker 1: if you don't mind if we change gears a little bit,

917
00:51:09,360 --> 00:51:12,080
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk a little bit about, um, the

918
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:17,759
Speaker 1: psychology and um, you know, mental aspects of transitioning out

919
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,640
Speaker 1: of the military, because I was doing a little bit

920
00:51:19,680 --> 00:51:21,239
Speaker 1: of research and I saw some of the things you

921
00:51:21,239 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: had talked about in the past, and it seems like,

922
00:51:23,760 --> 00:51:26,279
Speaker 1: you know, you're you're a mindful guy who's really kind

923
00:51:26,280 --> 00:51:29,520
Speaker 1: of dedicated yourself to self improvement. And I was wondering

924
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:31,160
Speaker 1: if you could talk a little bit about making that

925
00:51:31,200 --> 00:51:33,440
Speaker 1: transition out of the Navy, if it was a challenge

926
00:51:33,480 --> 00:51:38,560
Speaker 1: for you, and how you began to mitigate that. Yeah,

927
00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,240
Speaker 1: it was one of the bigger challenges of my life,

928
00:51:41,360 --> 00:51:44,799
Speaker 1: unbeknownst to me in the first year. Uh So I'll

929
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:46,880
Speaker 1: try to keep this kind of the cliff notes version

930
00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:51,480
Speaker 1: of this, the long version of this. I did, uh

931
00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:54,719
Speaker 1: another podcast not to advertise someone else's. But I did

932
00:51:54,760 --> 00:51:58,640
Speaker 1: another pot long podcast on this cliff, the Team Never

933
00:51:58,760 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: Quit podcast. I kind of really dove into this my

934
00:52:01,920 --> 00:52:04,640
Speaker 1: personal adventure and you know, suicide and all that stuff.

935
00:52:04,640 --> 00:52:06,839
Speaker 1: So I'll kind of brush over some of those things

936
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:09,480
Speaker 1: unless you guys pause me. But you know, getting out

937
00:52:09,480 --> 00:52:14,000
Speaker 1: of the Navy for me, it was a necessary thing.

938
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,640
Speaker 1: I tell people the best decision I ever made professionally

939
00:52:16,680 --> 00:52:18,879
Speaker 1: was joined the Navy. And I say, the second best

940
00:52:18,880 --> 00:52:21,600
Speaker 1: thing I ever did was get out. Um, and that

941
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:25,880
Speaker 1: wasn't that that in no way is that meant to

942
00:52:25,920 --> 00:52:29,880
Speaker 1: be a negative uh statement towards the Navy, towards the

943
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:33,680
Speaker 1: Seal team. That's pure love, Like they were not getting

944
00:52:33,719 --> 00:52:36,560
Speaker 1: the best of me. I was not putting the best

945
00:52:36,640 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: me forward. Um, that place that I was at, that

946
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:44,320
Speaker 1: that the command I was at deserves everyone's best foot forward,

947
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:47,520
Speaker 1: and it wasn't getting mine. So when I decided to

948
00:52:47,560 --> 00:52:53,279
Speaker 1: get out, certainly, um, it was a tough thing. But

949
00:52:53,920 --> 00:52:56,240
Speaker 1: you know I had another job lined up right away

950
00:52:56,360 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: right when I got out, as a consultant and a

951
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: sports sport apparel company that was that was overwhelmingly uh

952
00:53:06,760 --> 00:53:10,759
Speaker 1: under fulfilling, and uh, you know I had a I

953
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:12,680
Speaker 1: hit a real dark spot for a while. You know,

954
00:53:12,719 --> 00:53:16,560
Speaker 1: I a lot of had had a different business that

955
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:20,920
Speaker 1: was you know, from a personal standpoint, I was a

956
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:23,960
Speaker 1: total mess. I was a terrible business owner and I

957
00:53:24,000 --> 00:53:28,440
Speaker 1: was a terrible business partner. Treated people really awfully. I

958
00:53:28,520 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 1: was extremely selfish and it really paid. I paid for it.

959
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:35,960
Speaker 1: You know, went through a real long bout of suit. Uh,

960
00:53:36,160 --> 00:53:41,400
Speaker 1: you know, really potentially they tried to kill myself. And uh.

961
00:53:41,520 --> 00:53:45,080
Speaker 1: You know, I found some non traditional treatments that were

962
00:53:45,719 --> 00:53:51,120
Speaker 1: exceptionally useful for me. UM psilocyber, mushrooms, cannabis, d M

963
00:53:51,200 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: t uh and those all those things that right now

964
00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,960
Speaker 1: the federal government is looking at and agencies are using

965
00:53:57,400 --> 00:54:00,480
Speaker 1: for Uh. I have a lot of concustius. I've had

966
00:54:00,520 --> 00:54:04,560
Speaker 1: twenty two document concussions and uh, you know, a lot

967
00:54:04,560 --> 00:54:08,000
Speaker 1: of anxiety, a lot of depression. And since my treatments,

968
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:11,279
Speaker 1: UM not only has my business my personal life, I

969
00:54:11,719 --> 00:54:14,759
Speaker 1: have a real passion for I love what I do.

970
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,960
Speaker 1: I love helping military and police and fire like. It

971
00:54:18,600 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: gets me out of the bed and it motivates me

972
00:54:21,320 --> 00:54:24,080
Speaker 1: because I see so many good men in uniform out

973
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,319
Speaker 1: that men and women in uniform. It's just it's just

974
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:28,400
Speaker 1: pure love for me, you know, And that's you know,

975
00:54:28,440 --> 00:54:31,080
Speaker 1: the transition. I kind of really glossed over some things,

976
00:54:31,120 --> 00:54:34,520
Speaker 1: but the transition for me is very difficult. How I

977
00:54:34,560 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: was able to overcome that was a combination of things.

978
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: Was I had to really take a deep look at

979
00:54:41,360 --> 00:54:44,360
Speaker 1: myself and see if I was happy with who I am,

980
00:54:44,400 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: with who I was becoming, and I wasn't so that.

981
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,839
Speaker 1: And then I had to look at my friends. Right,

982
00:54:51,360 --> 00:54:55,239
Speaker 1: are these the people that are providing the support and

983
00:54:55,280 --> 00:54:57,759
Speaker 1: care and love that I need, but also in my

984
00:54:57,920 --> 00:55:01,359
Speaker 1: reciprocating it, Are these the type of people I want

985
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,400
Speaker 1: to get to give my love and my appreciation of

986
00:55:03,480 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: my time too? And I had to just really clean

987
00:55:06,719 --> 00:55:11,000
Speaker 1: slate my whole friends. I basically control all deleted my

988
00:55:11,040 --> 00:55:15,279
Speaker 1: whole life over an eight month period. Um, and the

989
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:18,759
Speaker 1: friends that I have in my life genuinely love me

990
00:55:18,800 --> 00:55:22,879
Speaker 1: and I love them. My family. I'm close again finally, Um,

991
00:55:22,920 --> 00:55:25,600
Speaker 1: I am in a healthy relationship and I never thought

992
00:55:25,600 --> 00:55:28,759
Speaker 1: I'd be ever be able to have a healthy relationship

993
00:55:29,040 --> 00:55:32,479
Speaker 1: with another female. And you know, a lot of that

994
00:55:32,560 --> 00:55:37,480
Speaker 1: has come down to just taking ownership of everything. Right,

995
00:55:38,800 --> 00:55:42,680
Speaker 1: I might feel slighted because because somebody I may. I

996
00:55:42,719 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: may think that somebody did did me wrong, but at

997
00:55:45,520 --> 00:55:50,040
Speaker 1: the end of the day, I'm involved. I'm there. I've

998
00:55:50,040 --> 00:55:52,400
Speaker 1: made a choice to be involved in those people. So

999
00:55:52,480 --> 00:55:55,600
Speaker 1: I have to take some level of responsibility, even if

1000
00:55:55,600 --> 00:55:57,719
Speaker 1: it's one per cent. You know, It's like, oh, I

1001
00:55:57,800 --> 00:56:01,200
Speaker 1: got someone hit my truck the other day, right, and

1002
00:56:01,320 --> 00:56:03,640
Speaker 1: I was pretty fired up. I got out of the

1003
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,600
Speaker 1: truck and I hit me. I was like, huh, well,

1004
00:56:08,200 --> 00:56:10,040
Speaker 1: I made a choice to get in my truck and

1005
00:56:10,160 --> 00:56:14,600
Speaker 1: drive right. I made a choice to go. At some level,

1006
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,000
Speaker 1: it's my decision. Of course, I didn't want this person

1007
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: to hit me, but it's my responsibility, it's my truck,

1008
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:24,800
Speaker 1: it's my life. And and I would just before I

1009
00:56:24,880 --> 00:56:27,960
Speaker 1: get in a fight, I'd blame someone, I'd curse, i'd scream,

1010
00:56:28,960 --> 00:56:31,399
Speaker 1: somebody would get hurt me or somebody else, because there'll

1011
00:56:31,440 --> 00:56:34,040
Speaker 1: be a fight, and I just have to finally stop

1012
00:56:34,080 --> 00:56:36,920
Speaker 1: and go. You know what, Jeff, Not everything can be

1013
00:56:36,960 --> 00:56:40,279
Speaker 1: solved by violence. A lot of things can be, and

1014
00:56:40,280 --> 00:56:43,759
Speaker 1: I still believe it only wrong. I am very much

1015
00:56:43,760 --> 00:56:48,160
Speaker 1: a believer in aggression and appropriated violence, but not when

1016
00:56:48,160 --> 00:56:51,720
Speaker 1: it's self destructive, not when it it's your fault, not

1017
00:56:51,719 --> 00:56:55,440
Speaker 1: not when you're really not improving your position. You know,

1018
00:56:55,520 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: like life's too short to be an asshole. So there

1019
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:02,520
Speaker 1: came a point where you decided, you know that you

1020
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:04,839
Speaker 1: can't be combative with the world around you all the time,

1021
00:57:04,960 --> 00:57:10,279
Speaker 1: especially as a civilian after service. Amen, I mean, you

1022
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:12,400
Speaker 1: know that's the struggle as you like, you know, I

1023
00:57:12,480 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: left the command I was at, I'm like, yeah, I'm

1024
00:57:14,360 --> 00:57:19,480
Speaker 1: a badass. Whatever, No, you're not the man. Here's the thing.

1025
00:57:20,320 --> 00:57:23,200
Speaker 1: And I mean this, and I mean this with with truth,

1026
00:57:23,560 --> 00:57:26,280
Speaker 1: because it to me it is true when I elite,

1027
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:28,400
Speaker 1: when I left the Navy, when I left that command,

1028
00:57:28,440 --> 00:57:33,160
Speaker 1: I was at, they owe me nothing nothing, the government

1029
00:57:33,240 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 1: that nail me nothing. I joined the military in a

1030
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,960
Speaker 1: time of war. I did. My father was drafted. He

1031
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:43,520
Speaker 1: didn't have that choice. So when the Navy says I'm

1032
00:57:43,560 --> 00:57:47,440
Speaker 1: done with you, they're done. So you need to know

1033
00:57:47,520 --> 00:57:50,200
Speaker 1: that they're done with you. I'm not a team guy anymore.

1034
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:53,920
Speaker 1: I'm not privy to the information, nor should I be.

1035
00:57:54,080 --> 00:57:57,120
Speaker 1: I shouldn't be plugged into that, Like that's a risk,

1036
00:57:57,800 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: that's a that's in my opinion, that information and getting

1037
00:58:00,520 --> 00:58:03,320
Speaker 1: to me, even if I can keep it safely, like

1038
00:58:03,360 --> 00:58:07,520
Speaker 1: in a secret. I don't. I don't. I don't deserve

1039
00:58:07,560 --> 00:58:10,320
Speaker 1: that information that needs to be kept there with the

1040
00:58:10,400 --> 00:58:14,240
Speaker 1: guys that are operationally doing it. And so, you know,

1041
00:58:14,320 --> 00:58:17,160
Speaker 1: it took me a minute to take that responsibility and go, dude,

1042
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:20,720
Speaker 1: you're not a Seal anymore. Why do you feel compelled

1043
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,200
Speaker 1: like you are? You know, you should be privy to

1044
00:58:24,240 --> 00:58:28,640
Speaker 1: the information. No. Like it's like when I again the

1045
00:58:28,680 --> 00:58:32,000
Speaker 1: commands that it's like the Seals love being Seals. The

1046
00:58:32,080 --> 00:58:35,440
Speaker 1: e O D guys love being EOD guys. The Swift

1047
00:58:35,480 --> 00:58:38,640
Speaker 1: guys love being Swist guys at that command. It's not

1048
00:58:38,680 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: like that the other teams. It's not the e O

1049
00:58:40,840 --> 00:58:44,680
Speaker 1: D guys. Hey. It just seems like there's this this big,

1050
00:58:44,720 --> 00:58:47,280
Speaker 1: big brother sort of mentality. And so that's what I

1051
00:58:47,320 --> 00:58:51,160
Speaker 1: mean is like, when you get out, you're out, be

1052
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:54,400
Speaker 1: good with it, right, Stop trying to keep your feelers

1053
00:58:54,400 --> 00:58:57,880
Speaker 1: in the community and stop. They don't give a ship

1054
00:58:58,000 --> 00:59:01,840
Speaker 1: about you, nor should they. They don't and you shouldn't

1055
00:59:01,840 --> 00:59:04,600
Speaker 1: expect it, you know. And so that for me took

1056
00:59:04,640 --> 00:59:07,080
Speaker 1: me a minute and go, Okay, now I have to

1057
00:59:07,120 --> 00:59:12,120
Speaker 1: represent the community that I love this way, right, That's

1058
00:59:12,160 --> 00:59:15,360
Speaker 1: why I don't talk about Seal stuff because that's on them. Man.

1059
00:59:15,400 --> 00:59:18,000
Speaker 1: I want to protect them, Like I feel like I

1060
00:59:18,040 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: can do the best to support the community that I

1061
00:59:21,440 --> 00:59:26,240
Speaker 1: love that's given me so much by let's better prepare

1062
00:59:26,280 --> 00:59:30,320
Speaker 1: the candidates they get. It's like preparing that freshman class

1063
00:59:30,360 --> 00:59:33,760
Speaker 1: before they get to buds, right. I want to have

1064
00:59:33,880 --> 00:59:37,000
Speaker 1: a hand in that and and and get them better

1065
00:59:37,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: candidates physically, emotionally. Right, that's that for me. I feel

1066
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 1: like I can do that really ethically. That's really cool

1067
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,520
Speaker 1: to hear, Jeff. And I think you're you know, you're

1068
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:50,040
Speaker 1: absolutely right. Like after we get out, we're out, and

1069
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,680
Speaker 1: it takes all of us, you know. I mean, I

1070
00:59:52,680 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 1: think it took me years to just to accept the fact, like, look,

1071
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm not in the army anymore. Man, Like you know

1072
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: that that part, that part of my wife is behind

1073
00:59:59,480 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: me now. But one thing I did want to stop

1074
01:00:02,440 --> 01:00:04,760
Speaker 1: in circle back around too, is you talked about, um,

1075
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,280
Speaker 1: how psychedelics helped you out a little bit. Um. I

1076
01:00:08,320 --> 01:00:10,040
Speaker 1: don't know if that was with t b I or

1077
01:00:10,080 --> 01:00:12,520
Speaker 1: with PTSD, but I was wondering because that's kind of

1078
01:00:12,520 --> 01:00:15,480
Speaker 1: a more newer or exotic thing that not a lot

1079
01:00:15,480 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: of people have used yet. I was wondering if you

1080
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:21,520
Speaker 1: could talk about that experience and how it helped you. Yeah,

1081
01:00:21,680 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: so I'm happy to I mean really happy too. So

1082
01:00:25,160 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: I've had I've had eight treatments on psilocybin mushrooms now

1083
01:00:28,920 --> 01:00:33,080
Speaker 1: and that's really let me back up a bit. Um

1084
01:00:33,120 --> 01:00:37,960
Speaker 1: My first what I call treatment, the first medicine was cannabis.

1085
01:00:38,880 --> 01:00:41,960
Speaker 1: It was it's been about two years now, and you know,

1086
01:00:42,080 --> 01:00:43,800
Speaker 1: I had to get my a set and setting and

1087
01:00:43,840 --> 01:00:46,920
Speaker 1: friends around me, and they were like worried about me, Like, dude,

1088
01:00:47,600 --> 01:00:49,840
Speaker 1: if you keep going down this path and not find

1089
01:00:49,880 --> 01:00:52,600
Speaker 1: a holistic way because I was. I was addicted to

1090
01:00:52,600 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 1: opiates for years. Um. You know, my opiate use was excessive,

1091
01:00:57,760 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: to say the least for a long time. What was

1092
01:01:00,160 --> 01:01:03,000
Speaker 1: from treatment for a previous injury. Yeah, like I so

1093
01:01:03,480 --> 01:01:06,000
Speaker 1: going time and the Navy, like many of us, right,

1094
01:01:06,040 --> 01:01:08,680
Speaker 1: and many of the special operators in all the branches,

1095
01:01:09,080 --> 01:01:11,920
Speaker 1: a lot of wear and tear. Um. I began using

1096
01:01:11,920 --> 01:01:15,120
Speaker 1: them as a very acute pain management from my back

1097
01:01:15,160 --> 01:01:19,920
Speaker 1: and knees and stuff. And it worked, right, But the

1098
01:01:19,960 --> 01:01:23,880
Speaker 1: problem was that I wasn't dealing with myself, my my emotions.

1099
01:01:23,960 --> 01:01:26,520
Speaker 1: And I realized in the in one of those deployed.

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01:01:26,560 --> 01:01:28,920
Speaker 1: One of the many deployments, I was like, oh, I

1101
01:01:28,920 --> 01:01:31,520
Speaker 1: can turn the world down. I can turn the volume

1102
01:01:31,520 --> 01:01:34,120
Speaker 1: and I don't drink. I never have. Um, so I

1103
01:01:34,120 --> 01:01:36,920
Speaker 1: didn't have that means to turn the volume down. But

1104
01:01:36,960 --> 01:01:38,440
Speaker 1: I was taking a lot of pills to turn the

1105
01:01:38,480 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: volume down because it was the only way at the time.

1106
01:01:41,160 --> 01:01:47,280
Speaker 1: I felt like I could decompress. And so that perpetuated.

1107
01:01:47,320 --> 01:01:50,200
Speaker 1: When I got out of the Navy, it got even worse. Um,

1108
01:01:50,240 --> 01:01:53,120
Speaker 1: I O O D a couple of times, and UH,

1109
01:01:53,880 --> 01:01:57,040
Speaker 1: really shouldn't be alive. I really don't know how I'm alive,

1110
01:01:57,480 --> 01:02:02,440
Speaker 1: but I am, and uh thankfully. And that's where it's

1111
01:02:02,480 --> 01:02:04,400
Speaker 1: like getting you know. I had friends that say, you

1112
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:06,720
Speaker 1: need to try this. And again. I grew up in

1113
01:02:06,720 --> 01:02:09,439
Speaker 1: the family where drugs are bad, drugs are bad, drugs

1114
01:02:09,480 --> 01:02:12,040
Speaker 1: are all drugs. All drugs are bad. And that was

1115
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:14,040
Speaker 1: coming from a point of love and kindness and care

1116
01:02:14,040 --> 01:02:16,440
Speaker 1: and protection my family, you know, because that's what they

1117
01:02:16,440 --> 01:02:19,000
Speaker 1: were taught, right. I grew up in the Partridge family.

1118
01:02:19,040 --> 01:02:21,960
Speaker 1: My mom and dad are fantastic sisters, amazing, like I

1119
01:02:22,000 --> 01:02:25,280
Speaker 1: grew I have no excuse, right, so I thought they

1120
01:02:25,320 --> 01:02:27,720
Speaker 1: were bad. But then people that I really really really

1121
01:02:27,760 --> 01:02:30,920
Speaker 1: trusted and cared for me deeply. Three people were like,

1122
01:02:30,960 --> 01:02:33,280
Speaker 1: you should probably try this with us, it'll help you,

1123
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:36,760
Speaker 1: because they came from a really dark place. So I

1124
01:02:36,800 --> 01:02:40,760
Speaker 1: tried it, and it really really through me, Like it

1125
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: took me a couple of weeks because it it shook me,

1126
01:02:44,880 --> 01:02:47,640
Speaker 1: like it shook me to my foundation, because I was like,

1127
01:02:47,720 --> 01:02:51,040
Speaker 1: this has been so helpful me to pull my anxiety down,

1128
01:02:51,760 --> 01:02:54,920
Speaker 1: maintain clarity, get better sleep, and then at the end

1129
01:02:54,960 --> 01:02:57,160
Speaker 1: of it, go, holy sh it. Drugs are supposed to

1130
01:02:57,160 --> 01:02:59,120
Speaker 1: be bad. How is it that I'm functioning at a

1131
01:02:59,200 --> 01:03:03,920
Speaker 1: higher level to a after you know, decompressing at night

1132
01:03:03,960 --> 01:03:06,840
Speaker 1: before I go to bed, whatever, in meditation and prayer, whatever. Maybe,

1133
01:03:07,280 --> 01:03:10,960
Speaker 1: but cannabis turned the world volume way down for a

1134
01:03:10,960 --> 01:03:13,400
Speaker 1: while where I could actually think, I could begin to

1135
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:16,360
Speaker 1: decide my feel like I was able to start thinking

1136
01:03:16,400 --> 01:03:19,880
Speaker 1: about things that people, you know, instances where I was

1137
01:03:19,960 --> 01:03:22,520
Speaker 1: had I couldn't think about like, oh my god, because

1138
01:03:22,520 --> 01:03:25,400
Speaker 1: I that people that person wronged me, or I should

1139
01:03:25,400 --> 01:03:27,120
Speaker 1: have done that different and make me mad, and then

1140
01:03:27,120 --> 01:03:30,680
Speaker 1: I'd go on a tirade. Whereas cannabis got me looking

1141
01:03:30,680 --> 01:03:33,920
Speaker 1: at myself really in the mirror and go all right, dude,

1142
01:03:35,440 --> 01:03:38,560
Speaker 1: you've done some really shitty things to people. Why the

1143
01:03:38,640 --> 01:03:41,760
Speaker 1: funk are you so mad at everyone? You're the common thread.

1144
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,320
Speaker 1: That's what cannabis did. It pulled the blinders off me.

1145
01:03:46,080 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: And then you know, I kind of like it really

1146
01:03:48,200 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: opened my eyes, like Okay, what more is there? So

1147
01:03:51,000 --> 01:03:53,800
Speaker 1: I had another very close friend that was like, hey, man,

1148
01:03:53,880 --> 01:03:56,680
Speaker 1: this might be up your alley because you're still I'm

1149
01:03:56,720 --> 01:04:00,600
Speaker 1: still having some anxiety issues. I couldn't quite you know.

1150
01:04:00,680 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 1: And at this point, you know, I've seen a therapist

1151
01:04:02,600 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 1: every Thursday for almost four years, and even he was like, yeah,

1152
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:11,000
Speaker 1: like this might be useful. So again, um that the

1153
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:13,080
Speaker 1: next time, and after about four or five months of

1154
01:04:13,200 --> 01:04:15,760
Speaker 1: using cannabis for the first time and I'm getting getting

1155
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:19,840
Speaker 1: an that routine, I tried psilocybin. And I will say

1156
01:04:19,880 --> 01:04:25,040
Speaker 1: to you that that four hours of that first time

1157
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:31,760
Speaker 1: I took um four grams of psilocybin. I'll never be

1158
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: the same, but I'll always be the same. Like it

1159
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:38,000
Speaker 1: it plugged me into an emotion that I never had.

1160
01:04:38,680 --> 01:04:42,320
Speaker 1: And this is gonna sound strange, Um, maybe well I

1161
01:04:42,400 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 1: had it as a child, like I had such a

1162
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:47,560
Speaker 1: great childhood, which is like such a an interesting story

1163
01:04:47,600 --> 01:04:50,680
Speaker 1: in itself because I just grew up in the Partridge family,

1164
01:04:50,680 --> 01:04:52,080
Speaker 1: you know, and then I am doing what I do.

1165
01:04:52,160 --> 01:04:54,360
Speaker 1: But because the joke is I joined the Navy to

1166
01:04:54,400 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: get long hair tattoos and kill people, like that was

1167
01:04:56,640 --> 01:04:59,160
Speaker 1: the running joke right coming from where I came from.

1168
01:04:59,200 --> 01:05:05,000
Speaker 1: But you know, empathy, like I have such a deep

1169
01:05:05,120 --> 01:05:09,640
Speaker 1: empathy for people like I I don't see people anymore

1170
01:05:09,720 --> 01:05:13,280
Speaker 1: as angry. I see them as suffering. Like I just

1171
01:05:13,400 --> 01:05:17,640
Speaker 1: see people suffering in their own their own like they're

1172
01:05:17,680 --> 01:05:20,320
Speaker 1: just fucking miserable people are, you know, and it's just

1173
01:05:20,360 --> 01:05:24,160
Speaker 1: too bad. That's when psilocybin. It just opened my eyes

1174
01:05:24,200 --> 01:05:27,240
Speaker 1: to my own suffering for the first time in my life.

1175
01:05:27,280 --> 01:05:30,600
Speaker 1: I actually was like Jeff, like, holy sh it. Like

1176
01:05:31,320 --> 01:05:33,520
Speaker 1: you were a small child, you were picked on. You

1177
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 1: now you're covered head to tone tattoos, two pounds and

1178
01:05:37,080 --> 01:05:39,920
Speaker 1: that's all you want is to people to see this violent,

1179
01:05:40,080 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 1: angry person. I go, that's not who you are. That's

1180
01:05:43,640 --> 01:05:46,120
Speaker 1: not who you ever were. That's the uniform you had

1181
01:05:46,160 --> 01:05:48,400
Speaker 1: to put on to do the job. Like, that's the

1182
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:51,240
Speaker 1: uniform I felt like I had to, like, that's the

1183
01:05:51,280 --> 01:05:54,040
Speaker 1: alter ego I had to kind of create for me.

1184
01:05:54,880 --> 01:05:58,960
Speaker 1: But I may I maintain that angry, violent, aggressive alter

1185
01:05:59,080 --> 01:06:02,640
Speaker 1: ego when I left, And now I'm like that that

1186
01:06:02,640 --> 01:06:05,400
Speaker 1: that's not a good teaching point for me. Then I'm

1187
01:06:05,440 --> 01:06:07,760
Speaker 1: just an angry, discrimninal team guy, you know, a former

1188
01:06:07,800 --> 01:06:10,320
Speaker 1: team guy that can't get rid, you know, can't stop

1189
01:06:10,320 --> 01:06:12,800
Speaker 1: talking about the stupid fucking stories that no one cares about.

1190
01:06:12,840 --> 01:06:14,640
Speaker 1: And there's another side of you too, I mean, you're

1191
01:06:14,640 --> 01:06:16,920
Speaker 1: a dad, you're you know, all these other aspects of

1192
01:06:16,960 --> 01:06:20,000
Speaker 1: your personality that yeah, So that that's what I mean.

1193
01:06:20,080 --> 01:06:23,400
Speaker 1: Like it it opened me to like, oh my god,

1194
01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:29,320
Speaker 1: I really like people. I love my friends and my family,

1195
01:06:29,400 --> 01:06:32,840
Speaker 1: and I love like to help strangers out in military.

1196
01:06:32,880 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: I just love it. And so then then the treatment

1197
01:06:36,160 --> 01:06:38,520
Speaker 1: got you know, it's like, hey, let's put our big

1198
01:06:38,520 --> 01:06:41,440
Speaker 1: boy pants on and do it for real. So a

1199
01:06:41,440 --> 01:06:45,360
Speaker 1: nonprofit reached out to me through the through um, you know,

1200
01:06:45,440 --> 01:06:48,880
Speaker 1: through the pipeline of veterans, and said, hey, there's a

1201
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:51,160
Speaker 1: treatment in Mexico. If you want to do it, let's

1202
01:06:51,200 --> 01:06:55,240
Speaker 1: do it. So I flew down there. Uh, I flew

1203
01:06:55,280 --> 01:06:57,479
Speaker 1: to San Diego and and me and three other team

1204
01:06:57,480 --> 01:07:02,400
Speaker 1: guys that I knew with through the treatment, and I

1205
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:07,920
Speaker 1: will say that it's the most profound weekend day moment

1206
01:07:08,000 --> 01:07:13,040
Speaker 1: of my entire life. I'll never be the same, um,

1207
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:15,840
Speaker 1: and I'm so thankful I'll never be the same because

1208
01:07:15,880 --> 01:07:20,080
Speaker 1: it really it's given me such a perspective. Now, don't

1209
01:07:20,120 --> 01:07:24,720
Speaker 1: be wrong, it didn't lobotomize me. I'm still aggressive. I

1210
01:07:24,720 --> 01:07:27,040
Speaker 1: will say that I'm probably more dangerous now than I've

1211
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,360
Speaker 1: ever been in my whole life, and that's because I'm

1212
01:07:29,400 --> 01:07:32,760
Speaker 1: in complete control and my focus is good. I'm a

1213
01:07:32,800 --> 01:07:34,480
Speaker 1: better shooter now than I ever was, and I was

1214
01:07:34,520 --> 01:07:37,320
Speaker 1: a really fucking good shooter. I'm stronger now than I've

1215
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,760
Speaker 1: ever been. I'm faster now than I've ever been. I've

1216
01:07:39,800 --> 01:07:42,280
Speaker 1: got more endurance i've ever been. I've got my wits

1217
01:07:42,280 --> 01:07:45,160
Speaker 1: about me. I'm surrounded by people that love me. I

1218
01:07:45,200 --> 01:07:48,920
Speaker 1: don't have enemies that I'm creating. It's it's like, certainly

1219
01:07:49,000 --> 01:07:50,960
Speaker 1: the people that don't like me, and I'm okay with that.

1220
01:07:51,160 --> 01:07:54,200
Speaker 1: Like I've I've I've wronged enough people for people to

1221
01:07:54,240 --> 01:07:58,120
Speaker 1: still hate me. Um, But that doesn't wear on me

1222
01:07:58,160 --> 01:08:03,240
Speaker 1: anymore because I'm all I'm focused on all right. From

1223
01:08:03,280 --> 01:08:05,240
Speaker 1: here on out, I'm gonna do the next right thing,

1224
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:07,680
Speaker 1: and after that, I'm gonna do the next right thing,

1225
01:08:08,040 --> 01:08:09,800
Speaker 1: and after that, I'm going to continue to the next

1226
01:08:09,880 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: right thing because I love my son, I love my family,

1227
01:08:13,480 --> 01:08:15,880
Speaker 1: I love my country, and I love my friends, and

1228
01:08:15,920 --> 01:08:18,479
Speaker 1: I love my love God. And that's not changing. That's

1229
01:08:18,560 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: never going to change that those are never going to change.

1230
01:08:22,040 --> 01:08:25,559
Speaker 1: Hate can do what it wants that I'm telling you

1231
01:08:25,640 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 1: right now, like and that's the that's the question. Then

1232
01:08:27,720 --> 01:08:29,720
Speaker 1: he was like, well, jeff it, would you go back

1233
01:08:29,760 --> 01:08:32,160
Speaker 1: and be an operator knowing what you know now? Yes?

1234
01:08:32,720 --> 01:08:35,200
Speaker 1: And could I have done the job? If I could

1235
01:08:35,200 --> 01:08:37,280
Speaker 1: do the job right now, I do it ten times better,

1236
01:08:37,640 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: ten times more efficient, and ten times more violent. But

1237
01:08:41,680 --> 01:08:46,240
Speaker 1: I would have this love and kindness and appreciation for

1238
01:08:46,360 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 1: my brothers that I've never had because I love them,

1239
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:52,760
Speaker 1: I love the community that I come from, love them.

1240
01:08:52,800 --> 01:08:56,240
Speaker 1: So that's that's that's kind of a real sort of

1241
01:08:56,600 --> 01:09:01,560
Speaker 1: nutshell over some pretty interesting experience. What was that hiyahuasca

1242
01:09:01,720 --> 01:09:04,680
Speaker 1: that you guys? I did eyebel game um and then

1243
01:09:04,680 --> 01:09:06,840
Speaker 1: I did five mm o d M T with the toad,

1244
01:09:06,880 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: which is pure God. Man, it's pure God. What do

1245
01:09:14,360 --> 01:09:15,680
Speaker 1: you what do you mean when you say that I mean,

1246
01:09:15,680 --> 01:09:20,839
Speaker 1: what's it like to go through that that treatment. Um

1247
01:09:20,960 --> 01:09:23,439
Speaker 1: let's see here, because we don't have the vocabulary and

1248
01:09:23,880 --> 01:09:27,120
Speaker 1: to its entirety to explain those experiences. But I will

1249
01:09:27,160 --> 01:09:32,479
Speaker 1: say that imagine, imagine you is just a ball of

1250
01:09:32,600 --> 01:09:36,080
Speaker 1: energy for and this is kind of a one percent

1251
01:09:36,160 --> 01:09:39,759
Speaker 1: explanation of what I can tell you I experienced. Imagine

1252
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,080
Speaker 1: if your body was in which is your maine of energy,

1253
01:09:42,400 --> 01:09:45,320
Speaker 1: Imagine that your body can expand an infinite distance and

1254
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:49,240
Speaker 1: infinite speed in an instant, and everything that you touch

1255
01:09:49,320 --> 01:09:54,679
Speaker 1: and feel, whether whether it's Earth space and every planet

1256
01:09:54,720 --> 01:09:58,120
Speaker 1: and solar system surrounding us, if you can feel and

1257
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,599
Speaker 1: expand to the infinites about or space in a moment,

1258
01:10:03,439 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: basically in the back pocket or the front pocket of God.

1259
01:10:06,760 --> 01:10:11,640
Speaker 1: To understand, it's just pure, just the most overpowering, immense,

1260
01:10:11,720 --> 01:10:15,520
Speaker 1: beautiful energy that you can ever feel, and in an instant,

1261
01:10:16,120 --> 01:10:19,479
Speaker 1: every bit of pain, fear, and anger that you've ever

1262
01:10:19,520 --> 01:10:24,479
Speaker 1: experienced gets converted to love. Not like blind lobotomizing. I'm saying,

1263
01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:28,599
Speaker 1: I'm just like, oh, total perspective change. Like the people

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Speaker 1: that I went into that treatment that I really didn't

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01:10:31,320 --> 01:10:34,840
Speaker 1: like truthfully, And I mean this, if I saw them

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01:10:34,840 --> 01:10:38,000
Speaker 1: in public, I would hug them. I just that's that's

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01:10:38,040 --> 01:10:42,840
Speaker 1: what I mean. It's like you are suffering, suffering, and

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01:10:42,840 --> 01:10:45,880
Speaker 1: and that's that's what I You know, it's really hard

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01:10:45,920 --> 01:10:50,600
Speaker 1: to explain, but I will say that it's something that

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01:10:50,680 --> 01:10:54,280
Speaker 1: I wish that every human that's suffering could experience. Anyone

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01:10:54,320 --> 01:10:57,400
Speaker 1: that's ever been really sad, it's just they can't seem

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01:10:57,439 --> 01:11:00,240
Speaker 1: to get their momentum going. You know, they've been they've

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01:11:00,240 --> 01:11:04,120
Speaker 1: been heartbroken. Uh, they've lied, they've cheated on psycho, I

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01:11:04,240 --> 01:11:08,880
Speaker 1: was unfaithful. Like just all that stuff that we hold

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01:11:09,000 --> 01:11:12,719
Speaker 1: that gives us fear, that gives us regret, all that stuff.

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01:11:13,479 --> 01:11:17,040
Speaker 1: In an instant, you understand it and you can think

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01:11:17,120 --> 01:11:19,840
Speaker 1: through it and it doesn't create any anxiety and it

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01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,360
Speaker 1: and it's all based in empathy and love and kindness.

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01:11:24,400 --> 01:11:28,120
Speaker 1: And but like I said, don't mistake me. It does

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01:11:28,240 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 1: not dull my senses and aggression. It enhances it tremendously so,

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01:11:35,800 --> 01:11:38,080
Speaker 1: but it makes it. It really feel it's like the

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01:11:38,080 --> 01:11:40,960
Speaker 1: samurai code, right, It's it's the it's the mixed martial's code.

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01:11:41,000 --> 01:11:44,360
Speaker 1: It's like if you're a master, you don't need to fight.

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01:11:44,680 --> 01:11:47,720
Speaker 1: I just feel like I'm in control finally of my mastery.

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01:11:48,800 --> 01:11:51,680
Speaker 1: So that's a treatment you'd recommend to anyone. I mean

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01:11:51,920 --> 01:11:54,639
Speaker 1: everyone suffers at some point in life. I don't think

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01:11:55,920 --> 01:11:58,320
Speaker 1: yeah so I So what I know for a fact

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01:11:58,720 --> 01:12:03,919
Speaker 1: is there are fifty five i've seals, like special Forces

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01:12:04,000 --> 01:12:07,559
Speaker 1: type folks. Fifty five men and a couple of women

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01:12:07,600 --> 01:12:10,840
Speaker 1: from the special programs have gone through this program from

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01:12:10,920 --> 01:12:17,200
Speaker 1: various levels of drug use, to infidelity to alcoholism. Too. Ever,

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01:12:18,800 --> 01:12:26,000
Speaker 1: theft also that they've all shown improvement and totally like

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01:12:26,520 --> 01:12:29,679
Speaker 1: back to who they thought they would just completely back

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01:12:29,720 --> 01:12:37,120
Speaker 1: to just equilibrium completely. So it's it's a really super

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01:12:37,200 --> 01:12:41,519
Speaker 1: interesting So let me give you actually the I don't

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01:12:41,520 --> 01:12:46,800
Speaker 1: want to butcher it. So the nonprofit name for the

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01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:52,400
Speaker 1: organization that you all can look up is um the

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01:12:52,520 --> 01:12:57,280
Speaker 1: Heroic Hearts Project. It's it's on it's on Instagram, three

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01:12:57,320 --> 01:13:03,400
Speaker 1: words Heroic Hearts Project. That is the organization that contacted

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01:13:03,439 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: me and into which I went through the program. So

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Speaker 1: I can tell you this two things. The plant medicine

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01:13:14,520 --> 01:13:17,720
Speaker 1: is exactly that. It's it's as profound and beautiful as

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01:13:17,760 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: I can tell you. But what I can say with

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01:13:20,439 --> 01:13:24,680
Speaker 1: absolute love and confidence, is the reason why that program

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01:13:24,760 --> 01:13:28,880
Speaker 1: specifically is so valuable is because the men and women

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01:13:29,280 --> 01:13:32,240
Speaker 1: that are the cadre, that are the experts, they've been

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01:13:32,240 --> 01:13:34,240
Speaker 1: doing it almost longer than they've been doing it since

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01:13:34,280 --> 01:13:37,920
Speaker 1: the sixties. This program, this project, this this is a

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01:13:37,960 --> 01:13:41,719
Speaker 1: new nonprofit, but the system in place with these plant medicines,

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01:13:41,760 --> 01:13:45,080
Speaker 1: by these people, they're the most loving, kind, amazing people

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01:13:45,120 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: I've ever been around. And so it's yes, the nonprofit

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01:13:49,800 --> 01:13:53,479
Speaker 1: is great, the medicine is amazing. The people are second

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01:13:53,479 --> 01:13:58,320
Speaker 1: to none. And this is what helped you kick the opiates. Also, yeah,

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01:13:58,479 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: well I kicked my opiates cold turkey because I lost

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01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,880
Speaker 1: my ability my desire to even be around my son

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01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: years ago. So I snapped out of that. Um. But

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01:14:11,040 --> 01:14:15,799
Speaker 1: I will say that, um, through the pilocide and treatment

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01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:18,960
Speaker 1: that's you know, a year ago, my does like that

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01:14:19,080 --> 01:14:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of that that that real deep down inside, like

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01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:27,000
Speaker 1: the percoset was still kind of nice feeling. Now if

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01:14:27,040 --> 01:14:30,080
Speaker 1: I even if I even in meditation, I'm sitting there meditating,

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01:14:30,080 --> 01:14:32,400
Speaker 1: because that's like really in the moment, if I begin

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01:14:32,479 --> 01:14:35,040
Speaker 1: to meditate just because I've kind of tried to see

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01:14:35,200 --> 01:14:38,080
Speaker 1: see if I can get a visceral response if I

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01:14:38,120 --> 01:14:42,160
Speaker 1: think intently and deeply about opiates, percocet, vico and lord table,

1326
01:14:42,320 --> 01:14:44,880
Speaker 1: you name it. It makes me nauseous. I have a

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01:14:44,920 --> 01:14:47,519
Speaker 1: physical response to it now. So one of the guys

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01:14:47,560 --> 01:14:49,800
Speaker 1: that I went through treatment with a team got great dude,

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01:14:50,479 --> 01:14:55,240
Speaker 1: um seal Um has a He owns a distillery, a

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01:14:55,320 --> 01:14:59,360
Speaker 1: really good, high end tequila distillery. He doesn't drink anymore.

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01:15:01,080 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 1: He's like, I'm probably just gonna summon distillery because I

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01:15:03,000 --> 01:15:06,639
Speaker 1: don't want to even be around it. Yeah, like I've

1333
01:15:06,680 --> 01:15:10,400
Speaker 1: never seen it. We're talking a single dose. A single

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01:15:10,439 --> 01:15:15,360
Speaker 1: dose in this medicine has completely eradicated I saw it firsthand. Infidelity,

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01:15:15,840 --> 01:15:20,280
Speaker 1: drug use, suicide, That's what I saw it in in

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01:15:20,280 --> 01:15:25,120
Speaker 1: in that in four minutes of the toad, six minutes,

1337
01:15:25,160 --> 01:15:30,840
Speaker 1: eight minutes, twelve minutes gone, the desires for self destruction

1338
01:15:31,400 --> 01:15:36,639
Speaker 1: is gone. It's it's it's amazing. What's interesting about it too,

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01:15:36,640 --> 01:15:39,160
Speaker 1: It's not as if you guys are like just tripping

1340
01:15:39,200 --> 01:15:42,080
Speaker 1: balls on psychedelics every day. It's like one treatment to

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01:15:42,280 --> 01:15:45,519
Speaker 1: treatments and like you you never use it again. Yeah,

1342
01:15:45,680 --> 01:15:48,599
Speaker 1: Like it's it's one of those things. And that So

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01:15:48,960 --> 01:15:51,720
Speaker 1: to that point, that is what I meant by the

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01:15:51,760 --> 01:15:55,640
Speaker 1: people of the organization. Right, You're not just showing up

1345
01:15:55,640 --> 01:16:00,439
Speaker 1: in someone's fucking apartment, right, just tripping tripping these It's

1346
01:16:00,479 --> 01:16:03,800
Speaker 1: a process, it's an educational piece. There's curriculum to it.

1347
01:16:04,560 --> 01:16:06,920
Speaker 1: There's medical doctors. I was hooked up to an e

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01:16:07,040 --> 01:16:10,080
Speaker 1: k G the whole time, right, there's nurses in every room,

1349
01:16:10,160 --> 01:16:16,680
Speaker 1: like it's it's a medical practitioners like system. Like, it's

1350
01:16:16,800 --> 01:16:21,080
Speaker 1: so amazing. The set, the setting that the foods are

1351
01:16:21,160 --> 01:16:25,200
Speaker 1: specifically picked to improve enhanced gut health, so the psychedelics

1352
01:16:25,200 --> 01:16:28,880
Speaker 1: work even better. Like this isn't like your mom and

1353
01:16:28,920 --> 01:16:34,200
Speaker 1: pops drug dealer kind of. This is the most thoughtful,

1354
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:40,720
Speaker 1: useful strategic program on the planet for this reason, to

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01:16:40,840 --> 01:16:44,479
Speaker 1: get special operators to get back to their to get

1356
01:16:44,560 --> 01:16:48,160
Speaker 1: back to norm so we can continue to be the teachers,

1357
01:16:48,200 --> 01:16:52,400
Speaker 1: the mentors, the fathers, the husband's that you know, that

1358
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,680
Speaker 1: capacity for us to do our job is profound and beautiful.

1359
01:16:56,120 --> 01:16:59,479
Speaker 1: That effort that zest for to be a seal arranger,

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01:16:59,600 --> 01:17:03,080
Speaker 1: green ray, whatever it may be, it's beautiful. Let's take

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01:17:03,120 --> 01:17:06,639
Speaker 1: that same zest and drive it into parenting, driving into

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01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:10,559
Speaker 1: being a husband, a boyfriend, a business owner, right, a

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01:17:10,680 --> 01:17:13,880
Speaker 1: church member, well, uh, you know, a p T a

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01:17:13,920 --> 01:17:17,080
Speaker 1: member like it doesn't matter what it is, right, be

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01:17:17,240 --> 01:17:22,120
Speaker 1: a caring, kindful, kind like plugged in individual with our background,

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01:17:22,439 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: and it just makes us it just it just makes

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01:17:25,760 --> 01:17:29,240
Speaker 1: us better to help people. Jeff, thanks so much for

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01:17:29,280 --> 01:17:31,680
Speaker 1: sharing that with us. It's really awesome. And you know,

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01:17:31,720 --> 01:17:34,519
Speaker 1: we've actually talked about using d m T to treat

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01:17:34,880 --> 01:17:37,360
Speaker 1: PTSD and things like that, but you're the first time

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01:17:37,360 --> 01:17:39,840
Speaker 1: I think we ever talked to a actual operator who

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01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:42,280
Speaker 1: went through the process. There's been really really interesting to

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01:17:42,280 --> 01:17:47,080
Speaker 1: hear this. Yeah, d m T especially there, there's nothing

1374
01:17:47,600 --> 01:17:51,400
Speaker 1: like five mm o d m T, right, just nothing

1375
01:17:51,479 --> 01:17:58,360
Speaker 1: like it is so beautiful, it's so amazing, you know. Granted,

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01:17:58,360 --> 01:18:00,800
Speaker 1: it got a lot of guys like, man, it takes us,

1377
01:18:01,240 --> 01:18:02,920
Speaker 1: takes us a bit to get our toes into that

1378
01:18:03,000 --> 01:18:05,880
Speaker 1: diving board. Once you get into that diving board, man,

1379
01:18:05,960 --> 01:18:09,639
Speaker 1: that that jump is worth it. Is this something like

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01:18:10,200 --> 01:18:12,559
Speaker 1: I know I'm spitballing here, but is it almost as

1381
01:18:12,600 --> 01:18:15,479
Speaker 1: if is this something that you think should be a

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01:18:15,520 --> 01:18:18,800
Speaker 1: mainstream medical treatment for America at large? Like, is this

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01:18:18,920 --> 01:18:21,400
Speaker 1: something that a normal an experience that normal people should

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01:18:21,439 --> 01:18:23,800
Speaker 1: just have and maybe it would broaden all of our

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01:18:23,840 --> 01:18:30,320
Speaker 1: horizons and perspectives on life. Oh, in a perfect world, yes, um,

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01:18:30,360 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: in the world that we're probably we're having to work

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01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:35,280
Speaker 1: with right now. That's why I'm putting so much effort

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01:18:35,280 --> 01:18:39,759
Speaker 1: and emphasis on highlighting this particular program or I forget

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01:18:39,800 --> 01:18:44,240
Speaker 1: the acronym um. The organization that's using d M t

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01:18:45,360 --> 01:18:51,240
Speaker 1: UH four veterans is called Looking It Up MAPS. It

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01:18:51,360 --> 01:18:57,840
Speaker 1: is the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies. It's in Santa Cruz, California.

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01:18:58,280 --> 01:19:01,679
Speaker 1: So it's just capital M CAP A capital P, capital

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01:19:01,880 --> 01:19:07,639
Speaker 1: S maps UM. That is your source of information, one

1394
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,400
Speaker 1: of them to go like, okay, what's really what organizations

1395
01:19:11,400 --> 01:19:14,320
Speaker 1: are being used by the federal government for PTS and

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01:19:14,400 --> 01:19:16,599
Speaker 1: four t B I and this this is the that's

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01:19:16,600 --> 01:19:20,519
Speaker 1: the organization that lays everything out their doctors. Like you said,

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01:19:20,560 --> 01:19:23,559
Speaker 1: it's not like, you know, buying drugs from a street

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01:19:23,560 --> 01:19:27,439
Speaker 1: corner or something or and so you know, if so

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01:19:27,560 --> 01:19:31,360
Speaker 1: to answer the question using that as a reference, once

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01:19:31,439 --> 01:19:37,360
Speaker 1: we have these really legitimate, established treatment facilities, unlike the

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01:19:37,360 --> 01:19:40,599
Speaker 1: the fucking Ayahuascar craze down in South America, the eyebil

1403
01:19:40,640 --> 01:19:43,280
Speaker 1: gain madness in Africa, like where they're just pulling roots

1404
01:19:43,400 --> 01:19:47,479
Speaker 1: up and it's a tourist attraction like no that that

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01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:49,920
Speaker 1: I do not support, especially like right now with the

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01:19:50,040 --> 01:19:51,719
Speaker 1: you know, the five mm o d m T comes

1407
01:19:51,760 --> 01:19:54,240
Speaker 1: from an animal in the United States, which is found

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01:19:54,280 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 1: in very small areas. Will they become there's it's the

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01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:01,559
Speaker 1: fear is they'll become extinct because now everyone knows where

1410
01:20:01,560 --> 01:20:03,080
Speaker 1: to get it and they just walk on the desert.

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01:20:03,320 --> 01:20:06,160
Speaker 1: These these frogs only come out. They only surface during

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01:20:06,160 --> 01:20:09,320
Speaker 1: the monsoon season a couple of weeks a year, and

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01:20:09,360 --> 01:20:11,519
Speaker 1: if they don't, if you miss handled those frogs, they

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01:20:11,560 --> 01:20:13,920
Speaker 1: all die. There is no five m o d NT anymore.

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01:20:14,400 --> 01:20:19,320
Speaker 1: So not only my proponent of proper proper treatment, but

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01:20:19,400 --> 01:20:22,479
Speaker 1: I could not be more of a proponent of of

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01:20:23,160 --> 01:20:28,120
Speaker 1: preservation of the plants and animals like and that's that's

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01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: here's the other curve ball. It's like something that I

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01:20:30,760 --> 01:20:32,600
Speaker 1: got out of these treatments that I never in a

1420
01:20:32,640 --> 01:20:36,000
Speaker 1: million years expected. But it seems pretty synonymous for some

1421
01:20:36,200 --> 01:20:38,400
Speaker 1: but for me, I don't know why. It's so profound,

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01:20:38,439 --> 01:20:43,200
Speaker 1: But I have such a love and appreciation for this

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01:20:43,280 --> 01:20:45,400
Speaker 1: planet and it's animals now that I never have had.

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01:20:45,920 --> 01:20:50,280
Speaker 1: You know, it's like this connection to nature that I

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01:20:50,280 --> 01:20:53,599
Speaker 1: I have never had this connection to nature. Um, so

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01:20:53,680 --> 01:20:56,120
Speaker 1: that's not only do I I am I saying we

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01:20:56,280 --> 01:21:01,200
Speaker 1: need positive, reproducible treatment facilities that we know are safe

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01:21:01,240 --> 01:21:05,760
Speaker 1: for these folks, for for whoever may have serious depression, anxiety,

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01:21:05,800 --> 01:21:09,439
Speaker 1: drug use, whatever dependence of any level. It's it's so

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01:21:09,479 --> 01:21:12,120
Speaker 1: important that we support these these organizations that are doing

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01:21:12,120 --> 01:21:16,000
Speaker 1: it right right now, you know. And that's that's I

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01:21:16,000 --> 01:21:18,599
Speaker 1: guess that's a long answers like I wanted. Those are

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01:21:18,600 --> 01:21:20,080
Speaker 1: the two I can share with you that I know.

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01:21:20,240 --> 01:21:24,080
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's more, but I know those two nonprofits

1435
01:21:24,680 --> 01:21:28,720
Speaker 1: are doing the right thing. And so like if you

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01:21:28,800 --> 01:21:31,760
Speaker 1: go to those organizations and look at their websites, they

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01:21:31,760 --> 01:21:35,479
Speaker 1: are referencing other treatment facilities and organizations that they say, yea,

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01:21:36,160 --> 01:21:40,000
Speaker 1: these are the ones we trust and respect. Man, this

1439
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:42,519
Speaker 1: is amazing stuff. Jeff, thank you so much for sharing

1440
01:21:42,520 --> 01:21:45,800
Speaker 1: this with us. Um, can we uh, Dennis, do you

1441
01:21:45,880 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 1: have the information to talk about Jeff's work one more

1442
01:21:50,400 --> 01:21:56,000
Speaker 1: time before we go? Absolutely? Um, excuse me? You run

1443
01:21:56,120 --> 01:21:59,320
Speaker 1: Performance first US. You can find that at performance first

1444
01:21:59,400 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: US dot com where that really explores your Let me

1445
01:22:04,080 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 1: let me see if I can get this ready. Exercise physiology,

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01:22:07,600 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: you're an exercise physiologist where you're certified by the National

1447
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:17,040
Speaker 1: Strength and Conditioning Association. You've got a certification in so

1448
01:22:17,120 --> 01:22:20,200
Speaker 1: you're certified Strength and Conditioning Specialists A C S C S.

1449
01:22:20,640 --> 01:22:22,439
Speaker 1: I don't know these acronyms, but I'm throwing them out

1450
01:22:22,439 --> 01:22:25,360
Speaker 1: there because everybody needs to hear them. And you're also

1451
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:29,519
Speaker 1: a Tactical Strength and Conditioning Facilitator a T S A

1452
01:22:29,720 --> 01:22:33,960
Speaker 1: c F. Both of those with distinction. So you want

1453
01:22:33,960 --> 01:22:35,800
Speaker 1: to talk a little bit about those before we let

1454
01:22:35,840 --> 01:22:38,880
Speaker 1: you go. Just promote yourself a little bit. Yeah, so

1455
01:22:38,920 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: that you just to kind of give you guys an understanding.

1456
01:22:41,000 --> 01:22:44,920
Speaker 1: Like certificates, it's kind of like they all get lost

1457
01:22:44,960 --> 01:22:46,760
Speaker 1: in the mix, and I put those on there for

1458
01:22:46,800 --> 01:22:51,600
Speaker 1: people to understand. But really the governing body, the organization

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01:22:51,640 --> 01:22:54,560
Speaker 1: that looks into special operations, looks in the military, the

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01:22:54,880 --> 01:22:58,679
Speaker 1: entire military, right all branches of service. The governing body

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01:22:58,680 --> 01:23:02,120
Speaker 1: for strength conditioning is n s c A, the National

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01:23:02,160 --> 01:23:05,320
Speaker 1: Strength condition Association. They're the ones that set curriculum, prochial

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01:23:06,280 --> 01:23:09,960
Speaker 1: teaching for college and pro athletics as well as the military.

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01:23:10,280 --> 01:23:13,479
Speaker 1: So they're the ones that I've done that. So like

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01:23:13,520 --> 01:23:17,040
Speaker 1: the army is instituting right now they're they're they're new,

1466
01:23:17,840 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 1: their new training. So I did that for the Army.

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01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,639
Speaker 1: I went to for Drama and all these military bases

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01:23:23,640 --> 01:23:27,080
Speaker 1: and began implementing that for the army. So that's where

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01:23:27,400 --> 01:23:31,000
Speaker 1: my credentials come from. The governing body that teach strength conditioning,

1470
01:23:31,360 --> 01:23:33,160
Speaker 1: and I have it with distinction because I've been doing

1471
01:23:33,200 --> 01:23:37,320
Speaker 1: it for almost twenty years. Um, and so that for

1472
01:23:37,360 --> 01:23:41,160
Speaker 1: me just says, hey, guys, I'm actually educated. I've been

1473
01:23:41,200 --> 01:23:43,360
Speaker 1: doing it for a long time. And the governing body

1474
01:23:43,400 --> 01:23:46,320
Speaker 1: that sets the guidelines for a strange conditioning not only

1475
01:23:46,320 --> 01:23:51,679
Speaker 1: in sportsman the military, that's my certifying organization. UM. Okay,

1476
01:23:51,840 --> 01:23:54,280
Speaker 1: there's a million, like I said, million CIVI gets out there,

1477
01:23:54,680 --> 01:23:56,840
Speaker 1: But for me, this is the one that I believe

1478
01:23:56,880 --> 01:24:01,439
Speaker 1: in and it serves. But at the end of the day,

1479
01:24:02,080 --> 01:24:06,479
Speaker 1: coaching is where I'm at. You know, it certificates aside. Um,

1480
01:24:06,520 --> 01:24:09,879
Speaker 1: I may or may not know what I'm doing, so

1481
01:24:09,680 --> 01:24:13,599
Speaker 1: it sounds I do, Yeah, no question, I do, I

1482
01:24:13,960 --> 01:24:15,840
Speaker 1: and I do. The reason why I know what I'm

1483
01:24:15,840 --> 01:24:19,000
Speaker 1: doing is because the teachers that taught me are second

1484
01:24:19,000 --> 01:24:21,400
Speaker 1: to none. They're the best coaches in the world. You know,

1485
01:24:21,560 --> 01:24:24,599
Speaker 1: they really are the person that started the tea Sack

1486
01:24:24,880 --> 01:24:28,479
Speaker 1: that created it. His name is Mark Stevenson. UM. He's

1487
01:24:28,479 --> 01:24:30,759
Speaker 1: also a close friend. He's a director of sports Science

1488
01:24:30,760 --> 01:24:34,000
Speaker 1: for the Lions. Before that he was the command for years.

1489
01:24:34,200 --> 01:24:35,600
Speaker 1: Before that, he was a director of the n s

1490
01:24:35,600 --> 01:24:38,080
Speaker 1: c A for the t Sack side. So like, those

1491
01:24:38,120 --> 01:24:41,080
Speaker 1: are my coaches, those are my teachers. I I am

1492
01:24:41,160 --> 01:24:43,759
Speaker 1: fortunate and again admitted like full of mid like because

1493
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,799
Speaker 1: of where I come from. In the military, rarely people

1494
01:24:46,840 --> 01:24:48,840
Speaker 1: say no. So I'm able to knock on a lot

1495
01:24:48,880 --> 01:24:50,639
Speaker 1: of doors and go, hey, man, I'd love to learn

1496
01:24:50,680 --> 01:24:53,080
Speaker 1: from you, and they have always said yes. Some the

1497
01:24:53,120 --> 01:24:56,759
Speaker 1: best coaches in the world have always said yes, and

1498
01:24:56,760 --> 01:24:58,960
Speaker 1: and I've learned from them. And so now I'm just

1499
01:24:59,040 --> 01:25:02,680
Speaker 1: taking the information from mentors of my life and I'm

1500
01:25:02,680 --> 01:25:04,320
Speaker 1: trying to give it as much as I can to

1501
01:25:04,360 --> 01:25:07,479
Speaker 1: the military, law enforcement of fire so they themselves can

1502
01:25:07,520 --> 01:25:12,519
Speaker 1: have a long, safe, hopefully healthy lifestyle. UM and career.

1503
01:25:13,240 --> 01:25:17,360
Speaker 1: That's awesome. The website is Performance first us dot com.

1504
01:25:17,439 --> 01:25:22,360
Speaker 1: Your Instagram is Jeff cs CS. Any other plugs you

1505
01:25:22,360 --> 01:25:25,439
Speaker 1: want to make, UM No, I mean I'm pretty easy

1506
01:25:25,439 --> 01:25:29,400
Speaker 1: to track down. UM. I am hosting three conferences here

1507
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,200
Speaker 1: in Virginia Beach this summer. UM some that are specifically

1508
01:25:32,240 --> 01:25:36,360
Speaker 1: tailoring towards a PST, one specifically tailored towards swimming, and

1509
01:25:36,439 --> 01:25:38,600
Speaker 1: one is specifically it's all of its big ones. So

1510
01:25:38,640 --> 01:25:41,720
Speaker 1: we're bringing in the sports psychologists that we've used at

1511
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:45,759
Speaker 1: Jaysack and SOCOM, the Patriots UM, the dietitian from the Texans,

1512
01:25:45,800 --> 01:25:47,960
Speaker 1: and the ten Special Forces Group. So we're gonna do

1513
01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:51,400
Speaker 1: a strength and conditioning symposium again. We're gonna talk about

1514
01:25:52,000 --> 01:25:54,519
Speaker 1: mental resiliency and overcoming these things with one of the

1515
01:25:54,520 --> 01:25:57,600
Speaker 1: best sports psychologists on the planet, John Sullivan. So the

1516
01:25:57,640 --> 01:26:00,000
Speaker 1: stuff we talked about we're gonna address. You know, we're

1517
01:26:00,000 --> 01:26:02,840
Speaker 1: gonna dress with Steve Smith, who's a dietitian, was a

1518
01:26:02,920 --> 01:26:05,840
Speaker 1: Tenth Group in the Texans and on. You know, how

1519
01:26:05,880 --> 01:26:07,720
Speaker 1: do these how do we get these toxic athletes to

1520
01:26:07,720 --> 01:26:09,920
Speaker 1: prepare food and what food to eat and how like

1521
01:26:10,200 --> 01:26:12,800
Speaker 1: if you're in the front state of your cruiser, you know,

1522
01:26:13,479 --> 01:26:15,800
Speaker 1: what's what's what food should I be picking at a

1523
01:26:15,800 --> 01:26:17,559
Speaker 1: set of eleven if I need to do a quick snack.

1524
01:26:17,920 --> 01:26:19,519
Speaker 1: So we're gonna we call it front seat you know,

1525
01:26:19,600 --> 01:26:21,800
Speaker 1: front seat meal prep. So we're gonna be doing a

1526
01:26:21,840 --> 01:26:25,320
Speaker 1: lot of things geared specifically toward mental health, you know,

1527
01:26:25,400 --> 01:26:29,000
Speaker 1: with food, with sleep and all and obviously training. But

1528
01:26:29,439 --> 01:26:32,120
Speaker 1: on my website under events, it does the explanation of that.

1529
01:26:33,040 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: It'll it'll tell you what they are. And Jeff, this

1530
01:26:35,120 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 1: has been super illuminating. Um and I think, you know,

1531
01:26:38,360 --> 01:26:40,160
Speaker 1: listeners will get a lot out of this. And you know,

1532
01:26:40,240 --> 01:26:42,760
Speaker 1: hopefully there's other guys out there who are suffering. We'll

1533
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:45,519
Speaker 1: hear this, and you've given them some pointers the places

1534
01:26:45,560 --> 01:26:48,800
Speaker 1: they can go and some treatments that are available. Yeah,

1535
01:26:48,840 --> 01:26:50,680
Speaker 1: I don't you know, I guess I'll this will be

1536
01:26:50,720 --> 01:26:52,400
Speaker 1: my last thing and it's not even a plug, but

1537
01:26:53,760 --> 01:26:58,880
Speaker 1: you know, I don't want anyone that's listening you're promise

1538
01:26:58,920 --> 01:27:01,280
Speaker 1: you you're not alone, man Like if you are something,

1539
01:27:01,360 --> 01:27:04,720
Speaker 1: you are sad, angry, depressed, you your fucking pistol next

1540
01:27:04,720 --> 01:27:07,360
Speaker 1: to you right now. I promise you you're not alone.

1541
01:27:07,720 --> 01:27:11,599
Speaker 1: And I promise you there's help out there. I promise. Okay,

1542
01:27:11,680 --> 01:27:14,240
Speaker 1: I promise there's people out there that love you. I

1543
01:27:14,240 --> 01:27:16,600
Speaker 1: promise there are. You know, they may not love you

1544
01:27:16,680 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 1: right now because you're being an asshole right but the

1545
01:27:20,320 --> 01:27:23,160
Speaker 1: real you, deep inside that decided to go in front

1546
01:27:23,200 --> 01:27:24,760
Speaker 1: of the flag and put their hand up and say,

1547
01:27:24,760 --> 01:27:26,920
Speaker 1: I swearing for my country, I will serve it with

1548
01:27:27,000 --> 01:27:29,840
Speaker 1: love and kindness. Essentially, you can do that when you

1549
01:27:29,880 --> 01:27:32,639
Speaker 1: come out, and you can continue to serve. So check

1550
01:27:32,680 --> 01:27:36,360
Speaker 1: those places out, you know. If you have any questions

1551
01:27:36,400 --> 01:27:38,760
Speaker 1: you forget, you know, message me and I'll send you

1552
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:42,640
Speaker 1: the contacts for them. Okay, help is out there, and

1553
01:27:42,720 --> 01:27:46,880
Speaker 1: I promise you people care about you, well said, Yeah,

1554
01:27:46,920 --> 01:27:49,479
Speaker 1: thank you so much, Jeff. You bet you gentlemen, have

1555
01:27:49,520 --> 01:27:53,760
Speaker 1: a fantastic week, and the same to you. That's truly great. Yeah,

1556
01:27:53,800 --> 01:27:56,800
Speaker 1: great interview. Yeah, absolutely yeah, And please feel free to

1557
01:27:56,800 --> 01:27:58,759
Speaker 1: reach out if you ever need anything from us. Jeff,

1558
01:27:59,400 --> 01:28:02,920
Speaker 1: I certainly will. I will all right, take care of man.

1559
01:28:03,360 --> 01:28:07,880
Speaker 1: Have a good one. Um. That was something. Yeah, man,

1560
01:28:08,080 --> 01:28:10,639
Speaker 1: that was a terrific interview. I really I didn't know

1561
01:28:11,479 --> 01:28:14,280
Speaker 1: where we were going to go with it. Um, you know,

1562
01:28:14,360 --> 01:28:16,479
Speaker 1: I know Jeff didn't want to, like and at which

1563
01:28:16,520 --> 01:28:18,560
Speaker 1: I respect, he didn't want to get into like operational

1564
01:28:18,600 --> 01:28:21,720
Speaker 1: details of his military career. So like, okay, we'll talk

1565
01:28:21,760 --> 01:28:24,400
Speaker 1: about the we'll talk about you know, the physical fitness,

1566
01:28:24,439 --> 01:28:26,240
Speaker 1: and he obviously has a lot to say on that.

1567
01:28:26,840 --> 01:28:29,800
Speaker 1: But I thought it was awesome to have somebody with

1568
01:28:29,920 --> 01:28:34,280
Speaker 1: Jeff's background get into all of these unconventional treatments for

1569
01:28:34,439 --> 01:28:38,599
Speaker 1: you know, PTSD and and and treatment and all everything

1570
01:28:38,600 --> 01:28:40,439
Speaker 1: else he was going through in life, and that he

1571
01:28:40,439 --> 01:28:44,640
Speaker 1: he actually went through that whole process um with cannabis

1572
01:28:44,840 --> 01:28:47,479
Speaker 1: and d m T and UM and what was the

1573
01:28:47,520 --> 01:28:51,320
Speaker 1: other one that he mentioned, I don't know. He listed

1574
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:56,800
Speaker 1: another another psychedelic UM and it was like we knew

1575
01:28:57,160 --> 01:28:58,760
Speaker 1: he had He said he like you said, he didn't.

1576
01:28:58,800 --> 01:29:01,000
Speaker 1: He didn't want to get into the X as a nose. Okay,

1577
01:29:01,080 --> 01:29:04,400
Speaker 1: find no problem. And he obviously has enough of a

1578
01:29:04,439 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: physio sports physiogog not even try that word anymore. But

1579
01:29:08,320 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: he has enough of that background where that that could

1580
01:29:10,040 --> 01:29:12,120
Speaker 1: have been the whole interview. But then at a certain

1581
01:29:12,160 --> 01:29:14,240
Speaker 1: point it was like I forgot the question you would ask,

1582
01:29:14,320 --> 01:29:16,840
Speaker 1: but he said he was like basically, um, he was

1583
01:29:16,840 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: like I was suicidal. I hated where I was at,

1584
01:29:20,000 --> 01:29:23,280
Speaker 1: and we um. We spoke to him a little bit

1585
01:29:23,320 --> 01:29:25,000
Speaker 1: off the interview and he said I needed to make

1586
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:26,640
Speaker 1: a change, Like I had to look at myself and

1587
01:29:26,680 --> 01:29:29,559
Speaker 1: it was like I need to do something. I don't

1588
01:29:29,600 --> 01:29:31,439
Speaker 1: know what I'm gonna do, but I have to do

1589
01:29:31,520 --> 01:29:34,000
Speaker 1: something else. And he said during the interview, you know,

1590
01:29:34,200 --> 01:29:36,360
Speaker 1: I was raising his Partridge family. You know, drugs are bad.

1591
01:29:36,400 --> 01:29:37,920
Speaker 1: Drugs are bad, and I'm sure that's how a lot

1592
01:29:38,000 --> 01:29:42,160
Speaker 1: of people are growing up. Most any any normal parents

1593
01:29:42,200 --> 01:29:43,439
Speaker 1: not gonna be like, hey, you go out there and

1594
01:29:43,439 --> 01:29:47,040
Speaker 1: try d M T. You would think you would hope

1595
01:29:47,080 --> 01:29:50,960
Speaker 1: at least, but you know, you do enough research. And

1596
01:29:51,400 --> 01:29:53,960
Speaker 1: it sounded like he was at a pretty low point.

1597
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,519
Speaker 1: I mean, almost as low as you can get. And

1598
01:29:56,560 --> 01:29:58,879
Speaker 1: at that point you're you're almost throwing up hail. Mary's

1599
01:29:59,040 --> 01:30:03,000
Speaker 1: just like I need to do something different. Luckily, for Jeff,

1600
01:30:03,040 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: this was the answer. I mean, you you heard it

1601
01:30:05,600 --> 01:30:08,479
Speaker 1: in his Auntie. He was he's he keeps saying god

1602
01:30:08,560 --> 01:30:11,040
Speaker 1: like and you you said, You're like, well, what does

1603
01:30:11,040 --> 01:30:15,040
Speaker 1: that mean? And yeah, yeah, it's it's I've never taken

1604
01:30:15,360 --> 01:30:17,639
Speaker 1: d m T or any of that. I've read about it.

1605
01:30:18,280 --> 01:30:20,879
Speaker 1: Um Like, I read this book years ago called Um

1606
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:25,439
Speaker 1: The Cosmic Serpent by Um. The glass name is Narbi,

1607
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:28,880
Speaker 1: but it's about this guy who is a biologist and UM.

1608
01:30:28,920 --> 01:30:31,719
Speaker 1: So he had a very scientific worldview and he was down.

1609
01:30:31,760 --> 01:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I think he was doing his thesis paper something down

1610
01:30:33,800 --> 01:30:37,240
Speaker 1: in South America doing some study and um on a

1611
01:30:37,320 --> 01:30:40,439
Speaker 1: chance he had a chance meeting and they asked him

1612
01:30:40,439 --> 01:30:42,960
Speaker 1: if you want to take maybe it was hiyahuasca actually,

1613
01:30:43,560 --> 01:30:45,719
Speaker 1: and he took it, and he said it just totally

1614
01:30:45,800 --> 01:30:48,760
Speaker 1: changed my worldview forever. And he had the same kind

1615
01:30:48,760 --> 01:30:52,120
Speaker 1: of comments of that, like it's like you're meeting God.

1616
01:30:52,240 --> 01:30:54,760
Speaker 1: He man, you'll have to go and read the book.

1617
01:30:54,760 --> 01:30:57,519
Speaker 1: But he he met like the interdimensional aliens and stuff

1618
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: and they But the experience he came took away from

1619
01:31:00,760 --> 01:31:03,719
Speaker 1: it was that as a scientist, I've been quite arrogant

1620
01:31:03,720 --> 01:31:05,680
Speaker 1: and thinking that I understand the world and I have

1621
01:31:05,760 --> 01:31:08,680
Speaker 1: everything also interesting. Yeah, that's what he came away from it.

1622
01:31:08,760 --> 01:31:11,680
Speaker 1: So I've never taken it, but I understand that it's

1623
01:31:11,720 --> 01:31:15,720
Speaker 1: such an intense, uh, it's spiritual experience. That that's why

1624
01:31:15,800 --> 01:31:18,240
Speaker 1: Jeff couldn't put it the words No one really can,

1625
01:31:18,560 --> 01:31:21,559
Speaker 1: because experience, if you experience it, Yeah, how do you

1626
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: how do you describe that? It almost felt like I mean,

1627
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:28,120
Speaker 1: I could be completely wrong, but the way he made

1628
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: it sound like, you know, he had this thought and

1629
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:31,960
Speaker 1: then almost you just kind of walked through a door

1630
01:31:32,000 --> 01:31:34,479
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, it's like you like

1631
01:31:34,560 --> 01:31:38,519
Speaker 1: this moment of just clarity. It's super cool, uh, to

1632
01:31:38,640 --> 01:31:42,600
Speaker 1: my mind to have a former operator like Jeff who

1633
01:31:42,840 --> 01:31:45,519
Speaker 1: walked the walk, did all that, got the T shirt,

1634
01:31:45,840 --> 01:31:48,479
Speaker 1: you know, went back another all the sites, went back

1635
01:31:48,520 --> 01:31:51,240
Speaker 1: another couple of times, got some more T shirts. Um.

1636
01:31:51,280 --> 01:31:53,639
Speaker 1: But for someone like that to come back and say, yes,

1637
01:31:53,720 --> 01:31:57,120
Speaker 1: I struggled to transition. I had these low points, I

1638
01:31:57,160 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: had all these problems. I needed to reassess my live

1639
01:32:00,479 --> 01:32:02,200
Speaker 1: and here are some of the treatments that really helped

1640
01:32:02,200 --> 01:32:04,719
Speaker 1: me out. I think there are so many other guys

1641
01:32:04,760 --> 01:32:08,680
Speaker 1: out there who are having a rough time and then say, well, man,

1642
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:11,720
Speaker 1: if a dude like Jeff went through that, because as

1643
01:32:11,720 --> 01:32:13,120
Speaker 1: you said, there's a lot of people out there. They

1644
01:32:13,120 --> 01:32:16,080
Speaker 1: look up to a seals, they look up the veterans,

1645
01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: and they're gonna hear that and say, well, Okay, if

1646
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:22,479
Speaker 1: a dude that tough went through this, now I can

1647
01:32:22,520 --> 01:32:24,840
Speaker 1: admit that I have some issues too, and and that

1648
01:32:24,960 --> 01:32:27,280
Speaker 1: I can go and get treatment. So it's really cool

1649
01:32:27,320 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 1: for him to come forward and talk about that. And

1650
01:32:28,880 --> 01:32:32,120
Speaker 1: from a treatment aspect, it was nice. Um, not that

1651
01:32:32,200 --> 01:32:34,439
Speaker 1: it was nice, but like you said, you're like, you know,

1652
01:32:34,479 --> 01:32:36,040
Speaker 1: I'm not just buying you know, you're not just going

1653
01:32:36,040 --> 01:32:38,479
Speaker 1: down the corner and like, hey man, you got an Yeah. Yeah,

1654
01:32:38,520 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 1: Like some of the people I know who have messed

1655
01:32:40,200 --> 01:32:42,840
Speaker 1: with like Hiawaska, It's like it's not like they're sitting

1656
01:32:42,840 --> 01:32:45,160
Speaker 1: at home tripping balls on Hiahuaska every night. It's like

1657
01:32:45,200 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 1: they went and did it once, or maybe they did

1658
01:32:47,200 --> 01:32:49,639
Speaker 1: it twice and that was it, you know. So it's

1659
01:32:49,680 --> 01:32:52,040
Speaker 1: not like it's for a purpose. It's not just like hey,

1660
01:32:52,080 --> 01:32:54,160
Speaker 1: I'm trying to get high and like figure out the world.

1661
01:32:54,160 --> 01:32:56,320
Speaker 1: It's not like the opioids where you're like popping pills

1662
01:32:56,360 --> 01:32:58,320
Speaker 1: every day. It's like something you go and do once

1663
01:32:58,400 --> 01:33:01,719
Speaker 1: or twice and it broadens your horizons. From what people

1664
01:33:01,720 --> 01:33:04,559
Speaker 1: have described to me, I mean it was that was

1665
01:33:06,439 --> 01:33:08,479
Speaker 1: maybe maybe one day I'll go and try it myself.

1666
01:33:08,640 --> 01:33:11,160
Speaker 1: I'll be I'll be honest with you, though, I was

1667
01:33:11,200 --> 01:33:14,360
Speaker 1: like same. Jeff was talking about it too, about how

1668
01:33:14,439 --> 01:33:16,360
Speaker 1: like he's like for guys like us, you tip up

1669
01:33:16,400 --> 01:33:19,080
Speaker 1: to the diving board, you're afraid to get your friend, right, Like,

1670
01:33:19,160 --> 01:33:22,920
Speaker 1: I didn't smoke marijuana until like what for the first time,

1671
01:33:23,160 --> 01:33:25,400
Speaker 1: maybe five years ago. I marijuana and I don't I

1672
01:33:25,400 --> 01:33:29,680
Speaker 1: don't like it to tell you the truth. I've When

1673
01:33:29,720 --> 01:33:31,280
Speaker 1: I was reading that book I was telling you about

1674
01:33:31,280 --> 01:33:34,120
Speaker 1: the Cosmic Serpent, I was thinking because it got me interested,

1675
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:35,640
Speaker 1: I was like, maybe I should try a d M

1676
01:33:35,640 --> 01:33:38,280
Speaker 1: T or something like, maybe I should do that. And

1677
01:33:38,360 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: a friend of mine who had done a lot of

1678
01:33:39,960 --> 01:33:43,040
Speaker 1: hallucinogens back he looked at me because we were in

1679
01:33:43,040 --> 01:33:45,160
Speaker 1: the army at the time, and he was like, Jack,

1680
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: don't do that. He was like, he was like, guys,

1681
01:33:48,360 --> 01:33:51,960
Speaker 1: guys like us have no business taking hallucinogenics. He's like,

1682
01:33:52,120 --> 01:33:54,559
Speaker 1: he's like, you're You're like people like us are so

1683
01:33:54,640 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: wound up, like you will literally kill somebody, like you could,

1684
01:33:57,439 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 1: like really bad things could happen. But I think that

1685
01:34:00,080 --> 01:34:04,559
Speaker 1: speaks to the buying drugs in the back alley and yeah,

1686
01:34:04,600 --> 01:34:06,519
Speaker 1: like you know, what do you say you went down

1687
01:34:06,560 --> 01:34:11,360
Speaker 1: to Mexico and there's a treatment center. Maybe maybe that's

1688
01:34:11,400 --> 01:34:14,479
Speaker 1: the responsible way to go about doing that kind of thing. Yeah,

1689
01:34:14,520 --> 01:34:17,720
Speaker 1: because I've had enough friends try that where I've seen

1690
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:19,280
Speaker 1: the bad side of it and you're like, okay, like

1691
01:34:19,320 --> 01:34:22,559
Speaker 1: that completely deterred. Maybe just like pop an acid and

1692
01:34:22,600 --> 01:34:25,439
Speaker 1: thinking you're gonna have some profound spiritual experience, isn't the

1693
01:34:25,520 --> 01:34:27,920
Speaker 1: right way to go. It's funny because I I have

1694
01:34:28,040 --> 01:34:32,400
Speaker 1: I have an ex girlfriend where she's she's like a

1695
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:35,760
Speaker 1: festival girl. She does all like the like like the

1696
01:34:35,840 --> 01:34:39,360
Speaker 1: Bond Rouge. And she said, she's always like she's like Dennis,

1697
01:34:39,400 --> 01:34:40,840
Speaker 1: if you ever get a chance to try assid I'm like,

1698
01:34:40,840 --> 01:34:43,400
Speaker 1: I have no interest. And I listen to her and

1699
01:34:43,400 --> 01:34:44,559
Speaker 1: I'm like, get out of here, like I'm not doing

1700
01:34:44,600 --> 01:34:46,360
Speaker 1: asset with you. But then you hear Jeff say and

1701
01:34:46,360 --> 01:34:49,000
Speaker 1: you're like, oh, you know what, man kind of that

1702
01:34:49,040 --> 01:34:51,960
Speaker 1: was a good sales pitch. Yeah, yeah, I mean I

1703
01:34:52,000 --> 01:34:54,840
Speaker 1: think there is a responsible way to do it for

1704
01:34:55,120 --> 01:34:57,479
Speaker 1: treatment like that, and but I'm a little scared of it.

1705
01:34:57,520 --> 01:35:00,479
Speaker 1: I won't lie to you, like like in the same boat. Yeah,

1706
01:35:00,520 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 1: Like what's gonna happen when I do that? And and

1707
01:35:03,000 --> 01:35:06,920
Speaker 1: I mean it's Jeff had a super positive experience. I

1708
01:35:06,920 --> 01:35:10,080
Speaker 1: know some other veterans who had positive experiences with hiyahuasca,

1709
01:35:10,560 --> 01:35:13,000
Speaker 1: So maybe I should not, you know, I mean what

1710
01:35:13,240 --> 01:35:18,679
Speaker 1: he said, damn t wast five. So I mean that's

1711
01:35:19,080 --> 01:35:23,720
Speaker 1: that's got an account for something you'd think, uh, I

1712
01:35:23,720 --> 01:35:28,000
Speaker 1: mean he would good for him. I mean that was

1713
01:35:29,000 --> 01:35:30,760
Speaker 1: to just come out and it was like, well, what

1714
01:35:30,760 --> 01:35:31,880
Speaker 1: what helped you get out of it? He was like, oh,

1715
01:35:31,920 --> 01:35:33,680
Speaker 1: I started doing with lucinens and it was like I

1716
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:35,320
Speaker 1: thought we were going down a different road. I was like,

1717
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,720
Speaker 1: oh boy, here we go. And he was like no, no, no,

1718
01:35:37,720 --> 01:35:39,760
Speaker 1: He's like I didn't you know these people reach out

1719
01:35:39,760 --> 01:35:41,800
Speaker 1: to me. And I was like, okay, Like and even

1720
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:45,439
Speaker 1: even the marijuana, I mean I don't personally like it,

1721
01:35:45,479 --> 01:35:48,320
Speaker 1: but he had a positive experience with it and for

1722
01:35:48,360 --> 01:35:51,320
Speaker 1: other veterans, like it helps them get a full night sleep,

1723
01:35:51,479 --> 01:35:54,479
Speaker 1: like and you know, it helps with the anxiety. And

1724
01:35:54,720 --> 01:35:56,960
Speaker 1: you know if that's what if that's what works for you,

1725
01:35:57,000 --> 01:35:59,960
Speaker 1: and that's what helps absolutely yeah, and and and Jeff

1726
01:36:00,080 --> 01:36:02,519
Speaker 1: gave the perfect example of like he was using the

1727
01:36:02,520 --> 01:36:06,240
Speaker 1: opiates to cope that that ship will kill you. Get

1728
01:36:06,280 --> 01:36:08,840
Speaker 1: the hell off of that. Like the marijuana. No one's

1729
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:13,600
Speaker 1: gonna die from marijuana. I hope not. You'll you'll be

1730
01:36:13,640 --> 01:36:16,200
Speaker 1: sitting on your couch eating potato chips. But it's yourself

1731
01:36:16,240 --> 01:36:18,679
Speaker 1: to death. It's not gonna kill you. So I mean, yeah,

1732
01:36:18,720 --> 01:36:20,920
Speaker 1: if you're out there and you're having problems with PTSD

1733
01:36:21,360 --> 01:36:24,320
Speaker 1: or whatever else and the marijuana helps you, then I

1734
01:36:24,360 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: mean it's not my thing, but hey, if it, if

1735
01:36:26,360 --> 01:36:28,280
Speaker 1: it works for you, go ahead and use it anything

1736
01:36:28,320 --> 01:36:31,519
Speaker 1: to help you cope or recover. I mean, what would like.

1737
01:36:32,479 --> 01:36:34,880
Speaker 1: And especially with Jeff, he was talking about the joint

1738
01:36:34,920 --> 01:36:36,599
Speaker 1: aches and stuff like that. I know marijuana is good

1739
01:36:36,640 --> 01:36:39,640
Speaker 1: for that. And obviously he's you'll see you when the

1740
01:36:39,680 --> 01:36:44,360
Speaker 1: when the we post. He is physically fit, intimidatingly you

1741
01:36:44,400 --> 01:36:46,160
Speaker 1: can see his traps from the other side of the

1742
01:36:46,200 --> 01:36:49,479
Speaker 1: streets like a He's a big dude. He's so big.

1743
01:36:50,200 --> 01:36:52,080
Speaker 1: And that was what cracked me up too, was he

1744
01:36:52,160 --> 01:36:54,360
Speaker 1: was like, He's like, look, I'm softer now, but I'm

1745
01:36:54,360 --> 01:36:56,960
Speaker 1: still a badass. And I was like, yeah, Jeff, nobody

1746
01:36:57,040 --> 01:37:01,360
Speaker 1: questioned that, buddy, do not worry. It's not It's not

1747
01:37:01,400 --> 01:37:03,320
Speaker 1: like me. I'm sitting here like, hey man, I took

1748
01:37:03,320 --> 01:37:05,880
Speaker 1: these mushrooms and I still got a dark side to me. Like, no, Jeff,

1749
01:37:05,920 --> 01:37:07,640
Speaker 1: we took one look at you. We know you can

1750
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:12,040
Speaker 1: still function. Up Nobody's question or that, don't worry, buddy, Well,

1751
01:37:12,080 --> 01:37:14,640
Speaker 1: I know. I really liked his combats though about about that.

1752
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:16,559
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, you can still be violent, but now

1753
01:37:16,600 --> 01:37:20,160
Speaker 1: it's about avident under control. You're you're you're controlling it,

1754
01:37:20,320 --> 01:37:22,840
Speaker 1: you're not letting it control you. Well, like a sense

1755
01:37:22,920 --> 01:37:25,920
Speaker 1: a like yeah, yeah, yeah, I understood what he meant. Yeah,

1756
01:37:25,920 --> 01:37:27,479
Speaker 1: he made the point. He's like, you're like a samurai.

1757
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,519
Speaker 1: Yeah you want to be the Yeah, yeah samurai. I

1758
01:37:30,520 --> 01:37:32,439
Speaker 1: mean that that's what a bad ass is, you know,

1759
01:37:32,520 --> 01:37:34,240
Speaker 1: the badass. You don't got to be. You don't gonna

1760
01:37:34,240 --> 01:37:36,440
Speaker 1: be the loudest in the room. It's the it's the samurai.

1761
01:37:36,600 --> 01:37:40,280
Speaker 1: It's not the criminal. It's not the bank robber. He's

1762
01:37:40,320 --> 01:37:44,960
Speaker 1: not you know, the badasses is uh uh you know

1763
01:37:45,600 --> 01:37:49,400
Speaker 1: what's the name of that? Um Jesus is slipping my

1764
01:37:49,439 --> 01:37:52,320
Speaker 1: mind now? The name of the famous samurai who wrote

1765
01:37:52,320 --> 01:37:55,680
Speaker 1: The Five Rings? Me and Moto Musashi. Oh I am

1766
01:37:55,680 --> 01:37:58,240
Speaker 1: not familiar, but I don't know. He was the one.

1767
01:37:58,439 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: He wrote a very famous book, The Five Rings. And

1768
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:05,479
Speaker 1: he was known for um defeating you'd like, go and

1769
01:38:05,520 --> 01:38:08,040
Speaker 1: find like the biggest badasses and challenged them to a

1770
01:38:08,080 --> 01:38:11,479
Speaker 1: duel and um. And after he won all these duels,

1771
01:38:11,600 --> 01:38:13,960
Speaker 1: killing a lot of people, he kind of like retired,

1772
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:15,920
Speaker 1: went up into a cave and just meditated for the

1773
01:38:15,960 --> 01:38:18,320
Speaker 1: rest of his life. I mean, what do you do

1774
01:38:18,400 --> 01:38:21,439
Speaker 1: after that? What else you do find a nice cave

1775
01:38:21,520 --> 01:38:23,720
Speaker 1: and call it a life. Yeah. I think it's a

1776
01:38:23,760 --> 01:38:27,080
Speaker 1: similar journey that he spent it. Had a very violent

1777
01:38:27,120 --> 01:38:29,519
Speaker 1: life and then realized that point, like there's there's more

1778
01:38:29,520 --> 01:38:32,160
Speaker 1: to the world. I don't need to kill everybody. Yeah,

1779
01:38:32,920 --> 01:38:34,880
Speaker 1: that's what I That's what I kind of took from

1780
01:38:34,880 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: it anyway, And with that, I don't not much else

1781
01:38:40,680 --> 01:38:43,760
Speaker 1: to discuss Jeff. Jeff took us on a wild ride there. Yeah, yeah,

1782
01:38:43,760 --> 01:38:45,559
Speaker 1: absolutely an awesome ride. I don't want to I don't

1783
01:38:45,560 --> 01:38:49,480
Speaker 1: want to belittle his time. That was truly an enlightening experience.

1784
01:38:49,520 --> 01:38:53,960
Speaker 1: I mean, what was the word illuminating? Was illuminating great usage,

1785
01:38:53,960 --> 01:38:56,479
Speaker 1: by the way, but it truly was. So I can't

1786
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,280
Speaker 1: thank Jeff enough for coming on um and even out

1787
01:39:00,360 --> 01:39:03,679
Speaker 1: like he like you said, he asked, it's still clear

1788
01:39:03,760 --> 01:39:06,439
Speaker 1: the seal stuff, Okay, no problem, Like we're not We're

1789
01:39:06,479 --> 01:39:09,040
Speaker 1: not a pushy. We're not a pushy. No. He I'm

1790
01:39:09,040 --> 01:39:11,120
Speaker 1: sure he just wants to, you know, keep his nose clean,

1791
01:39:11,160 --> 01:39:12,920
Speaker 1: stay at a truck, which is fine by us. And

1792
01:39:12,960 --> 01:39:14,920
Speaker 1: then you know, we didn't really know where we like,

1793
01:39:15,080 --> 01:39:16,640
Speaker 1: all right, we'll ask him about that, and it just

1794
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:19,840
Speaker 1: but we opened Pandora's Box. It was. It was awesome. Yeah,

1795
01:39:19,920 --> 01:39:22,040
Speaker 1: well that's gonna be that the stuff we talked about,

1796
01:39:22,040 --> 01:39:24,960
Speaker 1: it's going to be more profound and more absolutely for

1797
01:39:25,000 --> 01:39:29,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people. Absolutely, and again too, I pretty

1798
01:39:29,240 --> 01:39:32,920
Speaker 1: much say this every episode now, every every interview brings

1799
01:39:32,960 --> 01:39:35,120
Speaker 1: a different perspective, Like I do. I was not expecting

1800
01:39:35,160 --> 01:39:38,000
Speaker 1: to talk about d MT and toads in the during

1801
01:39:38,000 --> 01:39:44,320
Speaker 1: the Monsoon season next episode, Steven Stephen Elliott, he has um,

1802
01:39:44,439 --> 01:39:46,960
Speaker 1: he has come forward. He wrote a book. I think

1803
01:39:46,960 --> 01:39:50,320
Speaker 1: it's called War Story. Yeah. I actually saw a woman

1804
01:39:50,360 --> 01:39:52,400
Speaker 1: on the street carrying a copy of it. Oh there

1805
01:39:52,400 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 1: you go, Steven, if you're listening, Yeah, we got one. Yeah.

1806
01:39:56,120 --> 01:40:00,559
Speaker 1: Stephen is he was on the operation where Pat Tilman

1807
01:40:00,680 --> 01:40:04,320
Speaker 1: was killed. And UM, well, we'll talk to Stephen about it.

1808
01:40:04,360 --> 01:40:08,759
Speaker 1: But I think there are two people because Pat Tilman's

1809
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,840
Speaker 1: killed in a friendly fire incident, and there are two

1810
01:40:11,880 --> 01:40:15,439
Speaker 1: people who potentially fired the rounds that killed Pat Tilman,

1811
01:40:15,680 --> 01:40:18,920
Speaker 1: and Stephen could be one. Stephen, maybe you know he

1812
01:40:19,240 --> 01:40:21,120
Speaker 1: was one of the two. But we'll talk to Stephen

1813
01:40:21,160 --> 01:40:24,720
Speaker 1: about that. UM and me and him. I sent him

1814
01:40:24,720 --> 01:40:26,439
Speaker 1: a message and asked him if he would, you know,

1815
01:40:26,520 --> 01:40:30,120
Speaker 1: come on the show me and him have a We've

1816
01:40:30,200 --> 01:40:33,360
Speaker 1: never met each other ever, but we have a very

1817
01:40:33,360 --> 01:40:36,759
Speaker 1: odd connection through our military service because we're both rangers.

1818
01:40:36,800 --> 01:40:39,519
Speaker 1: Steve Stephen was on that operation where Pat Tilman was

1819
01:40:39,640 --> 01:40:45,800
Speaker 1: killed friendly fire incident later two thousand and four Winner

1820
01:40:45,840 --> 01:40:49,040
Speaker 1: of two thousand and four. I was on the operation

1821
01:40:49,840 --> 01:40:53,040
Speaker 1: where we were sent to reconnoiter the compound that belonged

1822
01:40:53,080 --> 01:40:56,760
Speaker 1: to the guy who planned the Pat Tilman ambush shall

1823
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,200
Speaker 1: be guy. I was a sniper attached to us more

1824
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:05,959
Speaker 1: reconnaissance element. We went out to recon that that compound

1825
01:41:06,240 --> 01:41:09,600
Speaker 1: down on the Pakistan border. That operation ended in a

1826
01:41:09,640 --> 01:41:12,800
Speaker 1: friendly fire incident that I was smacked up in the

1827
01:41:12,800 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: middle of and I told that. I told that to

1828
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:17,599
Speaker 1: Stephen when I sent a message, I was like, yeah,

1829
01:41:17,880 --> 01:41:20,519
Speaker 1: we should probably talk man, and he was like, no, ship,

1830
01:41:20,800 --> 01:41:24,000
Speaker 1: Like damn yeh. Did you get like any further into

1831
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:27,880
Speaker 1: it than just mentioning? So that'll be now? Well, well, yeah,

1832
01:41:27,920 --> 01:41:29,800
Speaker 1: we can talk about the ultimate tase right there. We

1833
01:41:29,840 --> 01:41:32,200
Speaker 1: can talk about it on air. Yeah. I wrote about

1834
01:41:32,200 --> 01:41:34,840
Speaker 1: the incident in my book. So or if he's a

1835
01:41:34,840 --> 01:41:37,880
Speaker 1: lot which which he was looking for? He said, he

1836
01:41:37,960 --> 01:41:39,360
Speaker 1: was like, am either going to get a copy or

1837
01:41:39,360 --> 01:41:40,840
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask Jack, And I said, all right, well

1838
01:41:40,880 --> 01:41:43,760
Speaker 1: we'll sort that up. He yeah, i'd like to. I

1839
01:41:43,800 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: need to read Stephen's book, and I'm sure we could swap. Yeah,

1840
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:49,920
Speaker 1: we'll have to swap. You know, you show me yours,

1841
01:41:49,960 --> 01:41:54,360
Speaker 1: I'll show you mine. Uh, we're talking books people. Yeah,

1842
01:41:54,439 --> 01:41:57,280
Speaker 1: why why why you guys have Why don't you just

1843
01:41:57,320 --> 01:42:01,439
Speaker 1: go right there? He said? But I try to read

1844
01:42:01,479 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 1: as many books written by our guests as possible. Um,

1845
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:07,560
Speaker 1: but I don't get to everyone by the time the

1846
01:42:07,600 --> 01:42:09,800
Speaker 1: interview comes up. And I just found out Stephen was

1847
01:42:09,840 --> 01:42:13,719
Speaker 1: gonna be on today, so um, I'm afraid I haven't

1848
01:42:13,760 --> 01:42:16,400
Speaker 1: read his book yet. But Steven and I'm sure we'll

1849
01:42:16,400 --> 01:42:19,479
Speaker 1: get into it on the interview. Oh, I mean knowing

1850
01:42:19,560 --> 01:42:22,519
Speaker 1: that now, this will definitely be a they're all must listens,

1851
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: but this one will be certainly interesting just from the

1852
01:42:25,760 --> 01:42:30,000
Speaker 1: It's gonna be very interesting just from because the personal connections. Yeah, absolutely,

1853
01:42:29,960 --> 01:42:34,400
Speaker 1: and I have in a very roundabout way. So thank

1854
01:42:34,439 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: you Jeff for coming on, very much appreciated and looking

1855
01:42:36,880 --> 01:42:39,479
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Speaker 1: So that was episode four and sixty six. I think

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Speaker 1: that was incredible. Jeff's I'm still I'm still coming down

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Speaker 1: from that. Yeah, man, that was awesome, And I mean

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Speaker 1: I hate the like two to our own orgin. I

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Speaker 1: just feel like we've done some really good episodes and

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Speaker 1: you know, you know what the worst part and we

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Speaker 1: can't even toot our own horn because the last it's

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Speaker 1: been a murderous row of fan fan suggestions. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's truth, are all? That's absolutely true? Jeff was a

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Speaker 1: was a listener's suggestion. So was Ed Marilla, So was

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Speaker 1: Cody Parroone. Um, yeah, a bunch of I don't know

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Speaker 1: if Steven was, he might break the Steve Steve and

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Speaker 1: I I found when I saw his book. So I'm

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Speaker 1: going to get on the phone UM tonight with a

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Speaker 1: UM retired operator who I Basically we have to touch

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Speaker 1: base and see if he would be willing to come

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Speaker 1: on the show. And we just have to establish what

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Speaker 1: the parameters do you want? What do you want to

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Speaker 1: talk about? Because I don't think he's ever done interviews before.

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Speaker 1: And this guy is this guy is for real, real deal. UM.

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Speaker 1: So we'll see how it goes, UM, and I will

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Speaker 1: see if he's uh, I know he's interested. We'll see

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Speaker 1: if you get him to come out very very excited.

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Speaker 1: We've got we're on a roll. Now. We miss the Ian,

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Speaker 1: but we're chalking without you now, we do miss you.

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Speaker 1: Episode four sixty six in the books. Thank you guys

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