Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number nineteen of The Hunting Collective.
Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien and today I am joined by shed
Speaker 1: Crazy also known as Ben Dedamanti and Ben. If I'm
Speaker 1: saying your name wrong, your last name, I'm sorry, but
Speaker 1: your first name is awesome. I was joined by Ben
Speaker 1: for episode number nineteen in Terry Peak, South Dakota. That's
Speaker 1: a total archery challenge once again. Just like episode eighteen,
Speaker 1: we hopped into Sam Sohol's public lands bus to talk
Speaker 1: about Ben's life and times. Ben is a shed hunter
Speaker 1: out of Utah and he started an online persona that
Speaker 1: he calls shed Crazy and it is if you're not
Speaker 1: a following his Instagram account or is other social media accounts,
Speaker 1: it's a laugh a day, a laugh a minute. Man.
Speaker 1: The dude is hilarious, and so I wanted to catch
Speaker 1: up with him see if I could get him to
Speaker 1: make us all laugh, but also get get a bit
Speaker 1: of his perspective on social media, a bit of his
Speaker 1: perspective on the landscape of how people become popular in
Speaker 1: that in that venue, and talk about some of our
Speaker 1: other famous topics that we've discussed in previous episodes. So
Speaker 1: with all that set. Please enjoy episode number nineteen, shit crazy. Well,
Speaker 1: both of our names are Ben. This could get confusing.
Speaker 1: How are we gonna do this? I don't know. I'll
Speaker 1: how we're gonna refer to each other? Ben? Be here?
Speaker 1: Thanks Ben, ben O Brian Ben never had another Ben
Speaker 1: on the podcast. Good good, Thanks for being my first
Speaker 1: other Ben. How does it feel like being a Bend?
Speaker 1: Is that you feel it's a special privilege or it's
Speaker 1: almost a burden across the bear Like, let's I feel
Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good name. Three letters. That keeps
Speaker 1: it right on my level. So here we go, Benjamin.
Speaker 1: That's that's the full name is Benjamin. So I never
Speaker 1: do use it, though I've managed to avoid it for
Speaker 1: most of my life. I did grow up next door
Speaker 1: to another kid named Ben. He's my best friend growing up,
Speaker 1: So I was always Benjamin. He was always ben Jury,
Speaker 1: ben Jury. Yeah. So if he's listening, you know, it's up, man,
Speaker 1: shout him out. Shout him out, ben Jury, what's up?
Speaker 1: It's a random way. How was always Benny? I don't
Speaker 1: know why. Maybe because I seem a little like a
Speaker 1: smaller person, childish childish human Benny, Benny ob whatever, whatever, people. Well,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining me here at the Total Archery Challenge. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: uh we did shoot today. We didn't shot today it's
Speaker 1: raining outside, no um, but we did shoot yesterday, and
Speaker 1: you shot an apple, yes, off of a deer's nose
Speaker 1: at sixty seven yards. It was how does that feel?
Speaker 1: That was definitely the highlight of my round, and I
Speaker 1: love that That's going to be the moment everyone remembers,
Speaker 1: because the rest of the shoe was pretty terrible. It
Speaker 1: was almost like if you shot, you missed a couple
Speaker 1: of free throws and then I got your own rebound
Speaker 1: and then stepped back and hit the game winning Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly how it's like, maybe you only had four
Speaker 1: points the whole game of leading up everybody terrible games,
Speaker 1: and then the next thing. You know, that's a perfect,
Speaker 1: perfect explanation right there. Yeah, it was sweet man. That
Speaker 1: was I've been pulling right the whole day a little bit,
Speaker 1: so I just held left a tad. The release felt great.
Speaker 1: Soon as I let it go, I'm like, oh, so
Speaker 1: much celebration. Yeah, it feel like screamed like a girl.
Speaker 1: Actually I don't believe. And he pulled it off. We're
Speaker 1: talking like six seven yards across a little a little
Speaker 1: open not a canyon with a little open canyon sounds more.
Speaker 1: It was across the canyon canyon with the river. And
Speaker 1: it'll get more impressive as time goes on. Yeah, around
Speaker 1: a couple of tree. Oh yeah, and was alive, dear.
Speaker 1: It wasn't a target, it was it really stood there
Speaker 1: for a long time. Still there actually a good apple. Yeah,
Speaker 1: but this is an apple as a big as you know,
Speaker 1: a little bit bigger than a regular apple. It's like
Speaker 1: a nice gala, like a gala. Yeah, real ripe, nice gala.
Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh so I was impressed. But what
Speaker 1: do you what's your thoughts on the Total Archery Challenge?
Speaker 1: Not that we have any reason to advertise it, but
Speaker 1: I think that yeah, it is. It's way cool. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, the coolest thing for me is getting to
Speaker 1: meet all these people. Yeah, getting rubbed shoulders with people
Speaker 1: from a different neck of the woods, talk stories and
Speaker 1: learned a little bit about the things they do. It's
Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I enjoy smashing a few
Speaker 1: dozen arrows here. Sponsored by do you have any air
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Speaker 1: to gold Tip. Thanks gold tip. Yeah, I'll be needing
Speaker 1: some more arrows for the upcoming shoots. Please, uh, if
Speaker 1: you're listening, Yeah, I only lost two, but all the
Speaker 1: airs hit the target, but just not where I wanted
Speaker 1: him go, which was an issue I found. Yeah, that
Speaker 1: can happen. Yeah, we had a cool, cool group of
Speaker 1: people run around mountains shooting arrows. It's not a bad day.
Speaker 1: It's not a bad way to spend your day. No,
Speaker 1: it was good man, there's a lot of fun. Um. Well,
Speaker 1: you're here as a guest of a company called Canvas Cutter, right,
Speaker 1: and um I mentioned that to say, like you weren't
Speaker 1: always in the hunting industry, and you weren't probably always
Speaker 1: traveling to things like this as a guest of any
Speaker 1: any company at any level. No, no, um, we got
Speaker 1: to hear the story, kid's gotta You don't have to
Speaker 1: start at the beginning. You could do like one of
Speaker 1: those non linear stories where you start out at the end,
Speaker 1: like a Ronnella story. Just jump all over the place
Speaker 1: and then you go back to the beginning in the end.
Speaker 1: It's perfect. The end is the middle. Yeah, anything like
Speaker 1: whatever you want to do. So five years old, I'm
Speaker 1: on my bike right right now. It's not. It's pretty
Speaker 1: basic for me. I've always just been an outdoors obsessed person.
Speaker 1: I've always if I had time to hunt, I was
Speaker 1: in the hills. My dad started me when I was
Speaker 1: just a little kid, and I always knew it was
Speaker 1: what I wanted to do in some capacity. I didn't
Speaker 1: know that it would ever be a career. Um, But
Speaker 1: basically a few years ago started building a little social
Speaker 1: media following UM and got to the point where, um,
Speaker 1: I really started entertaining ideas of doing it full time.
Speaker 1: After I you know, obtained just a little bit of
Speaker 1: sponsorship and things like that, and pulled the trigger on
Speaker 1: it full time about two years ago now, a year
Speaker 1: and a half ago. UM, And uh yeah, I just
Speaker 1: basically mostly what I do is hunt shed antlers and
Speaker 1: make dumb videos. And apparently in today's society that could
Speaker 1: be considered a career. That is exemplar area you are,
Speaker 1: you're stepping out. Yeah, so now I get to go
Speaker 1: to events like this and call it work traveling around.
Speaker 1: It's awesome for me, you know, like I was always
Speaker 1: doing this stuff in my head when I should have
Speaker 1: been doing my normal job. Yeah, I was always thinking
Speaker 1: about hunting and wanting to be at events like this,
Speaker 1: and yeah, now I get to do it, so I
Speaker 1: love it. It's great. What was the job before I did?
Speaker 1: Granted work for about eight years um and then prior
Speaker 1: about two years prior to doing this full time, I
Speaker 1: started doing maintenance for the school district where I live.
Speaker 1: So I was literally a janitor and started, Uh, man,
Speaker 1: there's nothing that will motivate yet to move and move places. No,
Speaker 1: I'm just kid. Actually that that work was fine. It
Speaker 1: was all good. But I had a lot of time
Speaker 1: on my hands and a lot of time you think
Speaker 1: about what i'd other be doing, and I found a
Speaker 1: way to kind of make it happen. Well, I imagine
Speaker 1: I get this all the time. I'm sure you get
Speaker 1: it now. But like people, when people ask you, how
Speaker 1: do you get in the industry? Right, how do you
Speaker 1: do this? I always say, I don't know. It just
Speaker 1: happens asking me for I think I had a plan,
Speaker 1: you think I was like, you know, in eight years,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be there. I'll be sitting in the bus. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've just been ski even Like, how do you get
Speaker 1: that blue check mark on it? Right? Oh? Yeah, that
Speaker 1: is if that means you're official. Yeah. I totally never
Speaker 1: like have planned out and followed through on a plan
Speaker 1: on anything in my whole life, and stuff just kind
Speaker 1: of happens, and I think that's how it's meant to be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you just take whatever you're presented and try to make
Speaker 1: the best of it, and if you're passionate about something,
Speaker 1: you try to put your head down and work at it.
Speaker 1: Is there any point where you thought I gotta go
Speaker 1: back to being yeah, working granted or being a janitor
Speaker 1: or I failed this thing or it was it always
Speaker 1: like just I'm gonna keep doing it until it works. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: There's definitely been points where you know you're like, mostly
Speaker 1: it's a financial question. You're like, oh man, how am
Speaker 1: I going to get through this month where I know
Speaker 1: I have to go out find things to film, make content.
Speaker 1: I don't have the budget for it. What am I
Speaker 1: going to do? But I believe, like whether you call
Speaker 1: it fate, the universe, God, whatever you wanna call it,
Speaker 1: I believe that doors open when you put yourself out there.
Speaker 1: So I know, like, as long as I keep trying
Speaker 1: to do what I want to do, that doors will
Speaker 1: continue to open. And that's it's been every time, good luck.
Speaker 1: Whatever it might be. There might be a point where
Speaker 1: I you don't have to go back to working and
Speaker 1: if I if I do, then I'll just look back
Speaker 1: and back. It was funny. I doubt that, but yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm always interested in that. Even myself, I never had
Speaker 1: a plan of what what it could be. And even
Speaker 1: get a job or like take a jump like you have,
Speaker 1: you don't know whether it's gonna end up being right
Speaker 1: even when you start doing it. You know, I was
Speaker 1: somebody was talking to me showing to Gray who runs
Speaker 1: until archer Chong was like, here's my five year plan,
Speaker 1: and I just kind of have to do get out
Speaker 1: of here. Five plans are the most waste of time
Speaker 1: really possible. Yeah, there's so much unknown in that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you make a five you're planning, You're like, well, if
Speaker 1: I just keep going to the five year plan, how
Speaker 1: much stuff do you miss along the way trying to
Speaker 1: point your sales towards the freaking five year planning? Oh? Yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: there's other doors, like the doors that opened that you
Speaker 1: were like, no, that's not near my five year plan
Speaker 1: can be taking that dream briefit full of money that
Speaker 1: that wasn't in my plan. That was nope, Nope, that
Speaker 1: was Now you're sing a check. That's always it's always
Speaker 1: been interesting to me. But here and you talk about
Speaker 1: just coming up in your relationship with your dad, and like, yeah,
Speaker 1: what you know everybody has not everybody. If you're lucky
Speaker 1: enough to have a dad that took you outside, I
Speaker 1: think it like sticks, it must stick with you. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: It's been the definitely the molding factor for me. You know,
Speaker 1: like I could never get enough of that time. And
Speaker 1: I'm lucky enough to still have my dad around. He
Speaker 1: still loves to hunt. We still get to go together,
Speaker 1: and now as this kind of evolves, that's becoming a
Speaker 1: larger and larger part of it for me is just
Speaker 1: making time to spend with him in the hills. And
Speaker 1: you know, he still die hard. He loves it, so
Speaker 1: we get we get out there every time that we
Speaker 1: every time we can. That's awesome. And then what's the
Speaker 1: you know you you're did you have? Was shed crazy?
Speaker 1: Who made that up? I did? Yeah? I came up
Speaker 1: with that um at work on the clock, So sorry school,
Speaker 1: my dad. Actually I was working for my dad at
Speaker 1: the time of grant at work, but yeah, so sorry dad. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I just I had my personal Instagram, and then I
Speaker 1: was seeing people doing like there's a couple of Shed
Speaker 1: hunting instagrams and like I can do that. I like
Speaker 1: the same thing, and uh, like what do you like?
Speaker 1: I could copy that? So I was like, what's a
Speaker 1: good name? This will work? And I started posting just
Speaker 1: shed pictures on there a few years ago, and uh,
Speaker 1: I started to gain a little bit of traction, and um,
Speaker 1: after about a year or so doing it. Was actually
Speaker 1: my wife one day, she's like, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you're funny. You should do like funny stuff on there.
Speaker 1: I was like, no, people don't want to see that.
Speaker 1: They're here to see high quality, polished content. That's what
Speaker 1: I've been providing over the years. And uh, it's so
Speaker 1: high it's come down. I cannot improve upon it. And
Speaker 1: so I finally, after some kicking and screaming, started like
Speaker 1: posting some of the videos I had on my phone,
Speaker 1: just dumb stuff I'd come up with over time, and
Speaker 1: that's when it really started to grow. So she she
Speaker 1: knew what she's talking about. And I feel like, uh,
Speaker 1: hunting just needs like some humor. Too serious these days?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, man like it's funny, because the portrayal of
Speaker 1: hunting on social media is this serious thing, but the
Speaker 1: reality of hunting is like just dudes joking around with
Speaker 1: their buddies having fun. That's exactly right. And I just like,
Speaker 1: why why pretend that it's something that it's not. It's fun.
Speaker 1: If it wasn't fun, why would you do it? It
Speaker 1: is fun though. I remember all back in the day,
Speaker 1: was that TV show Jimmy Big Time. You ever watched
Speaker 1: that show? Uh? It was the guy. Remind me that
Speaker 1: guy a little bit, but he was. It was a
Speaker 1: TV show, him just spoofing out their TV and I
Speaker 1: thought that was the funniest thing in the world. Apparently
Speaker 1: nobody else did. We wanted to make it nobody. Every
Speaker 1: time I'd say, man, I love that Jimmy Big Time.
Speaker 1: People like, shut up, man, that's stupid. I loved it.
Speaker 1: It's like two hours one time with him trying to
Speaker 1: put on a tree stand horns and the garage. That
Speaker 1: sounds like you'd be right up my alley. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: was like that this is the perfect because this is
Speaker 1: the absolute perfect thing. But yeah, I always just because
Speaker 1: we take this thing so seriously and we get these
Speaker 1: little bubbles where we're talking about you know, people we
Speaker 1: know and it's all relationships. What about that guy Cam Haynes,
Speaker 1: you know what's deepen up to? And like we're all
Speaker 1: we make fun of each other. We laugh like it's
Speaker 1: not all that freaking serious. Absolutely, Like a lot of
Speaker 1: the companies that are luckily enough to work with, you
Speaker 1: know nowadays, I started off the relationship making fun of them,
Speaker 1: and it was people who just rolled with it and
Speaker 1: laughed about it, like, oh that's funny. Yeah, we think
Speaker 1: that's great. And you know some people do, like some
Speaker 1: people get butt hurt, but most people there's some brands
Speaker 1: that I know that will go unspoken that are they
Speaker 1: like branding. Yeah, like they're really worried about their image
Speaker 1: and there's no humility and their brand as a person
Speaker 1: would be like the most boring Yeah in front of us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: like this we're serious. It always has to be serious.
Speaker 1: It always has to be beautiful. It can't be gritty,
Speaker 1: it always has to be that's just like that's not
Speaker 1: how it is. No, you gotta have some kind of
Speaker 1: you know. I worked for a brand that we did
Speaker 1: a video about elk milk. Yeah, that was so funny.
Speaker 1: Like I remember watching that and we uh remember that
Speaker 1: was like some of the motivation for that cosmic Brownie
Speaker 1: Amma we did with Mounts a few years ago. That
Speaker 1: was kind of funny. Yeah, that was classic. Yeah that,
Speaker 1: I mean, we just I knew that was gonna be good.
Speaker 1: It's the amount that was people laughed during the filming. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and how much we laughed watching the edits as they
Speaker 1: It's just such a good idea. Yeah, Jordan Shipley being
Speaker 1: the main dude, because I know George Shipley a little
Speaker 1: a little bit from being down in Austin, and they're like,
Speaker 1: George ship was going to do a video about milking elk,
Speaker 1: and I was like, well, that sounds like the April
Speaker 1: Fool joke right there, right, Sometimes though, you just take
Speaker 1: a chance and ship ends up hilarious. Yeah, that was epic, man.
Speaker 1: You need to read the comments on that. People love
Speaker 1: that stuff and they love to see the lighter side,
Speaker 1: especially company you know like YEI that puts out super
Speaker 1: high quality content as the norm built. Yeah, and then
Speaker 1: like oh yeah, and we can take a joke. Yeah. No.
Speaker 1: Part of what we always said was like, if your
Speaker 1: brand doesn't have humility, is one of its main characteristics.
Speaker 1: Then you're gonna always you're just gonna be at some
Speaker 1: level you're gonna trying to be too authentic and you're
Speaker 1: just gonna lose your north star and you're too worried
Speaker 1: about is there enough mud on that cooler? Man? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Um concerns me, But is there? Like, have you ever
Speaker 1: had anybody, you know, take sarcasm and turn it into
Speaker 1: like rage and man go snowflake on you? Oh? Absolutely
Speaker 1: all the time and almost all the stories. Oh man,
Speaker 1: those are my favorite messages to get some people like
Speaker 1: a lot of it, like what came came through with
Speaker 1: the hushing guys, because I started off just kind of
Speaker 1: making fun, poking guys even before I really knew them
Speaker 1: that well personally, you know, just taking jabs and dude,
Speaker 1: Eric Chester has the most the most violent fans, the
Speaker 1: defenders like, if you say something bad about him, dude,
Speaker 1: prepare your inbox. I just get these kids like you
Speaker 1: don't know him, you don't talk about him, like that's
Speaker 1: just the dumbest little things. But um, yeah, just just
Speaker 1: comments on posts. People take you completely serious. You're an idiot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I know I know that. That's why why, That's why
Speaker 1: I'm trying to be funny. Yeah, I love it. I
Speaker 1: love when people just totally miss a sarcasm, and it's
Speaker 1: almost like an inside joke because there will be a
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people making sarcastic comments, and then there's
Speaker 1: always one dude that's like, I don't think that's a
Speaker 1: very good portrayal. Okay, well like yeah, okay, So yesterday
Speaker 1: I posted a a picture of a deer. You know,
Speaker 1: I had some long blood on the side of it, right,
Speaker 1: And this guy comments, why does it have silly putty
Speaker 1: on the side of it, right? And this other guys
Speaker 1: like that's long blood, because like, no, it's not. That's
Speaker 1: He's like, that's silly putty. He's like, Jake crazy, help
Speaker 1: us out. So I commented on there and I'm like,
Speaker 1: I don't know. I was playing the silly putty that day.
Speaker 1: And I also shot that during the lung so it
Speaker 1: could be like who knows, and it's so funny. I
Speaker 1: love it. I love it when they missed the sarcasm.
Speaker 1: That's my favorite thing. Idea just your style. I always think,
Speaker 1: like I guarantee there's dudes out there that are like
Speaker 1: what a dick. I can't believe you would say that
Speaker 1: about Casey Butler, that's what's wrong with the hunting, And yeah,
Speaker 1: that's exactly what's wrong. Yeah, he does look like that guy.
Speaker 1: I love it. Who does Casey Butler most look like celebrity?
Speaker 1: Does he most resemble to you? I don't know he looked.
Speaker 1: People tell us we look like like I had. I've
Speaker 1: had people full on mistake me for Casey and the
Speaker 1: other way around, like just people who have never met
Speaker 1: us before. You know, Casey said he was I think
Speaker 1: he was at the X one. Some came somebody came
Speaker 1: up and like asked him how how the sad Hunt
Speaker 1: was going this year? It was crazy. It's had a
Speaker 1: great year. It was a crazy crazy. He probably plays me.
Speaker 1: Who's he looked like to you? Jack Black? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: oh yeah, I can tell her to see that. Yep. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna have to ask him about that. And
Speaker 1: he's gonna get a Jack Black personality too. He's hilarious, dude, Casey.
Speaker 1: Every Budy should get the chance to hang out with
Speaker 1: him for a while. The funniest you laugh your ass
Speaker 1: off the entire time. But yeah, I don't know who
Speaker 1: we were riding back from. I think Calahan or somebody
Speaker 1: was like, you know, Casey looks like Jack Black. Yes,
Speaker 1: yes he does. He looks exactly. Like that's funny, that's good.
Speaker 1: Is there any like from being on social media? Do
Speaker 1: you do you think you learned things about how to
Speaker 1: interact with people in the hunting industry? Are you concerned
Speaker 1: about honey? Social media does to your psyche as you
Speaker 1: function through it as a job. Yeah, like it definitely
Speaker 1: so for me. The thing that I noticed is that
Speaker 1: it's really easy for people to become egotistical, like myself included.
Speaker 1: You know, like you get to where you show up somewhere,
Speaker 1: people know who you are, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: and like even the small, small amount of whatever do
Speaker 1: you want to call celebrity, but like being recognized, it's
Speaker 1: super easy to let it go to your head and
Speaker 1: just like start thinking that you're something Like I remember
Speaker 1: the first last or maybe a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: I went to the expo in Salt Lake and it
Speaker 1: was like I had a lot of people coming up
Speaker 1: to me and I was like, oh my gosh, remember
Speaker 1: I made it. Were driving home and being like you
Speaker 1: are not that big of a deal, bro, Like you
Speaker 1: need to shrink your head down a little bit, right, Yeah, great,
Speaker 1: you know, I experienced kind of the same thing. It's
Speaker 1: funny that, like everybody goes through that, you know, if
Speaker 1: you ever get everybody that's famous went through that hump
Speaker 1: where it was like nobody knows who I am. I'm
Speaker 1: just one of the regular guys. All of a sudden,
Speaker 1: I'm one of the I'm one of the guys that
Speaker 1: some of the regular guys come up to right and say, like,
Speaker 1: cool stuff, bro right, And I find that most people
Speaker 1: just come up and say cool man, love it, yeah,
Speaker 1: and they go on. But then some people, you know,
Speaker 1: close talk, you show you a lot of pictures in
Speaker 1: the phone, a lot of their phone. Yeah. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: just getting over that hump is super odd. Yeah it is.
Speaker 1: It's kind of a weird. It's kind of a weird space,
Speaker 1: like when you're not used to it at all. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I live thirty two years that anybody were coming up
Speaker 1: to me and saying like, oh, I know you from
Speaker 1: a thing. And then people started saying that like yeah,
Speaker 1: but it doesn't matter, and that can't matter. That's what
Speaker 1: you have to keep reminding yourself, is that like, yeah,
Speaker 1: just because I know who you are, doesn't mean you're special. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it can't matter, and I've always I've tried. I don't
Speaker 1: know what you do, but I try to, like ask
Speaker 1: questions about the person that I'm talking. If I don't
Speaker 1: know them at all and they've listened to this or
Speaker 1: see something somewhere, I'd much rather know who they are.
Speaker 1: Then they imagine they've already heard my ass talk a lot.
Speaker 1: And the same in your case, what do you do?
Speaker 1: You just try to keep it, Yeah, the same thing.
Speaker 1: I just try to, Like, I try to try to
Speaker 1: say something funny. I feel the pressure to do that.
Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you that if you're not funny
Speaker 1: in this podcast, I'm like trying to say, like, jokes, jokes,
Speaker 1: you've been practicing these for two days. Two ducks walk
Speaker 1: into a bar. No, Like it's funny because it kind
Speaker 1: of is like real life persona the Instagram, the Instagram thing.
Speaker 1: It's dumb, but I mean it exists. Well, yeah, because
Speaker 1: you think, like Instagram is a filtered version of your reality.
Speaker 1: No matter how much you do go live or whatever
Speaker 1: you know, go into the story, it's still a filtered
Speaker 1: version of reality aversity, and there's nothing you can do
Speaker 1: about it. Right like you, And you can't post your
Speaker 1: entire reality because then there would be you know, and
Speaker 1: no one would like me. What Actually, that guy is
Speaker 1: an asshole. So that's funny that we were talking about
Speaker 1: um Cam Haines the other day. And I know Cam
Speaker 1: all enough, he wouldn't mind the US talking about him
Speaker 1: a little bit in this way. But the key has
Speaker 1: when you meet him, he's quiet and humble and the
Speaker 1: nicest guy. And I've heard this about a lot of
Speaker 1: people in the industry that are you know, quote unquote
Speaker 1: celebrities that they're you know, I don't know about that
Speaker 1: Donny Vincent guy. And then when I talk to people,
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, what a great dude. You know Sam Soul,
Speaker 1: who's bus we're on right now? Thank you Sam Um
Speaker 1: I went on a hunt with him. Say he's a
Speaker 1: great guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. But he filters
Speaker 1: those those guys filter themselves into the Internet just in
Speaker 1: a different way. And I've I've been just I tell
Speaker 1: people all the time, you just gotta separate that stuff absolutely,
Speaker 1: Like if you separated, there's a guys people are doing
Speaker 1: what they're doing, especially for you. When it becomes a business,
Speaker 1: all of a sudden when people are paying you for
Speaker 1: that filter. Um, it's just different. Yeah. Absolutely, And I
Speaker 1: think like what you're saying to about like really getting
Speaker 1: to know people in person is so valuable because I
Speaker 1: had preconceived notions about so many people, like they are
Speaker 1: quote unquote in the industry, or like just ideas, like
Speaker 1: people will come up and tell you all you know,
Speaker 1: that guy's an ass or this and this, but you
Speaker 1: have to meet people, sit down and like get to
Speaker 1: talk to him because most of the time, like, yeah,
Speaker 1: people have beefs or whatever. But it seems like everybody
Speaker 1: I meet is just nice. Yeah, man, I don't there's
Speaker 1: I've may a career just knowing people, and that's part
Speaker 1: of my job right now. And I can't tell you
Speaker 1: if a handful of people that I wouldn't want to
Speaker 1: have a beer with. And I can tell you a
Speaker 1: good number of those folks those instagrams I just don't
Speaker 1: follow because it's not my kind of big um. But
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they're bad people. It's just they're filters.
Speaker 1: What they're filters, They choose to focus on one thing
Speaker 1: or look a certain way, and it's weird. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's just a weird situation. I've always I was telling
Speaker 1: asking Casey and those guys the same things, Like you
Speaker 1: start to put yourself out there and then all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, without you don't even knowing you start you
Speaker 1: change and shift based on people you talked to or
Speaker 1: experiences you have, or sponsors that you might have, and
Speaker 1: the pressure to post this many times a week or
Speaker 1: to fulfill those types of things. Yeah, just I don't
Speaker 1: know how do you deal with that ship. I think
Speaker 1: that I just try to never like fake it because
Speaker 1: it has to be done, you know, like they tell you,
Speaker 1: people will tell you like post twice a day, posted
Speaker 1: posting times, but like if I don't have, if I'm
Speaker 1: anything to post on my phone, like I'm not going
Speaker 1: to make something up just because I feel like I
Speaker 1: need to. And I feel like you lose your authenticity
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways if you're just like Armture
Speaker 1: number posting right, And I think, like as dumb as
Speaker 1: it is, you should do it when when you want
Speaker 1: to do it, when there's something that you want to share,
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, don't get caught up
Speaker 1: so much in like the oh I'm trying to build,
Speaker 1: so I have to do it this way. Authenticity is
Speaker 1: what people want to see. They want to see be
Speaker 1: your real self. They want to see what you're up to,
Speaker 1: and and that's what works. So many people get caught
Speaker 1: up in the numbers. They get caught up in the Oh,
Speaker 1: I have to do it a certain way. I have
Speaker 1: to follow this plan if I want it to be this,
Speaker 1: But then your real self could be something different. Like
Speaker 1: your real self, you're funny as hell, so you can
Speaker 1: turn the camera around and talk to it. It's entertaining occasionally, Yeah,
Speaker 1: well okay, once you're twice then that's all you need.
Speaker 1: Keep keep replaying this viral. And for me, I came
Speaker 1: up as a journalist, and so I was trained not
Speaker 1: to turn the camera myself, like I was trained to
Speaker 1: document and and report on what's happening, is opposed to
Speaker 1: like turning around. So I don't I don't do good
Speaker 1: with that, but doesn't mean how many better than somebody
Speaker 1: that does just that's myself, that's what I do. I
Speaker 1: wouldn't change that just to get more likes, because that's
Speaker 1: never gonna work. It might work in the short term,
Speaker 1: but yeah, certainly not in the long term. Well, people
Speaker 1: that look like us. You know, we don't have that many.
Speaker 1: We have to use our personalities. It's hard. Yeah, Like
Speaker 1: I always tell people, if I was good looking, dude,
Speaker 1: i'd be so famous. But yeah, I mean, he's really
Speaker 1: like living in a bus all he has it all.
Speaker 1: He lives in this bus here. He's this handsome man
Speaker 1: travels the world and ube it does. He does live
Speaker 1: in a bus, though, that's challenging for him. I think
Speaker 1: our demographic maybe, like in the hunting world, that's not
Speaker 1: a cool thing. In the snowboarder like snow bunnies would
Speaker 1: dig the bus and wyll be all about it. It's
Speaker 1: a nice bus, got burlap windows. That's pretty trending. I
Speaker 1: think that's bur lap of some kind um that it's
Speaker 1: interesting to me. This is all interesting because as much
Speaker 1: as people might not want to listen to you, guys
Speaker 1: talk about Instagram all day, it's the main way people
Speaker 1: interact with me that don't know me. That's the main
Speaker 1: way people interact with you that don't know you. And
Speaker 1: so the ship is relevant, and it's relevant in a
Speaker 1: way that like I always sit and think about, how's
Speaker 1: this shaping me? What am I doing that I shouldn't
Speaker 1: be because of this. What could I be doing to
Speaker 1: better utilize this thing? And that's important because if you're
Speaker 1: not doing that, then you're just following the trends, right,
Speaker 1: And I think about like, I think about that a lot,
Speaker 1: as you know, as it relates to the ethics of hunting,
Speaker 1: you know, because for the longest time, it was just
Speaker 1: what ever, Um, I'll post whatever I want. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about offend anybody. I don't care um.
Speaker 1: And then I realized like it was starting to alter
Speaker 1: the way I hunted a little bit because I was
Speaker 1: starting to care, like about the possibility of introducing someone
Speaker 1: to the sport through Instagram. If somebody stumbles upon something
Speaker 1: that I did and that's their first impression of it
Speaker 1: or you know, it could possibly shape their impression of hunting.
Speaker 1: Isn't something that's positive or negative. So I think that
Speaker 1: like the fact that I know whatever I'm gonna do
Speaker 1: is gonna end up in social media in a lot
Speaker 1: of ways, compels me to be a little bit more ethical,
Speaker 1: try to make better choices. So I think it has
Speaker 1: its positives and its negatives for sure, But that's one
Speaker 1: of the positives that I see. Thank thank god, you
Speaker 1: took it that way because a lot of people do
Speaker 1: the opposite. You're filming me, I'm going to be a
Speaker 1: complete idiot. Yeah, try to get attention, and some people
Speaker 1: like I'm getting attention, I should do it the right way.
Speaker 1: At least you bounce it out a little bit. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know. I find and that with me. And then
Speaker 1: I wonder if I took away social media and I
Speaker 1: was just hunting for my self again, and how if
Speaker 1: I would act completely different, or if if I would
Speaker 1: treat the killing of the animal in a different way. Yeah,
Speaker 1: how I would, How I would do it? Why would
Speaker 1: what animals I would kill? Would I'd still be chasing
Speaker 1: big ones to get admiration, or would I just not
Speaker 1: care and shoot the first one? So I just wonder.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'll probably never know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's never going Yeah, I'm not going to erase all
Speaker 1: social media for purpose of my experiment. Not today. Not today.
Speaker 1: That's give me all those small bucks, the medium dollars, right,
Speaker 1: I really love Well, there's a lot of people, you
Speaker 1: know that are having opposition to social media or whatever
Speaker 1: and love it or hate it. You know, it's it's
Speaker 1: a major part of the culture of what hunting is today,
Speaker 1: and it's definitely how the younger generation consumes media. So
Speaker 1: the people that we're trying to get involved for the
Speaker 1: future of hunting, you know, that's where they're going to
Speaker 1: live in that space, and so everybody has a little
Speaker 1: bit of responsibility to make sure they're doing it in
Speaker 1: a way that it doesn't hurt you know. No, And
Speaker 1: I think that I haven't brought up the grip and
Speaker 1: grin in a few episodes that was getting heavy. But
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about recording with you, I'm like,
Speaker 1: I gotta Yeah, this is gonna be We're gonna get
Speaker 1: deep on the grip and the grins. Yeah. Um fice
Speaker 1: to say, like I don't care that much about grip
Speaker 1: and grins, Like I really don't, but it became a conversation.
Speaker 1: I think it was more about what you're talking about, um,
Speaker 1: because I went on the Gritty Bowman and I was
Speaker 1: having a bad day at the Archer Trade show. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And it wasn't being a little sick. It's a little
Speaker 1: fed up seeing grip and grins everywhere and and celebrating
Speaker 1: this like I killed an animal who sing And uh,
Speaker 1: I just said, let's just not do that anymore. We
Speaker 1: just not do that. I had said that before on
Speaker 1: on Instagram, but didn't feel like I needed to repeat it,
Speaker 1: needed to make it like a marching cry of mine.
Speaker 1: But then uh, I got the A T and I'm like, Wow,
Speaker 1: this is still pretty prevalent. This is still the banner
Speaker 1: that people want, hang um, and so I just want
Speaker 1: dug that a little deeper. Yeah, just might as well
Speaker 1: as well. And then every subsequently, everybody I talked to
Speaker 1: you and every other person who wants me to have
Speaker 1: their own that whatever media thing they're doing, wants to
Speaker 1: talk about that subject. Um, So suffice to say, let's
Speaker 1: have at it. Tell me what you think about. So
Speaker 1: for me, I am about genuine emotion. So whatever you
Speaker 1: feel in that moment, I feel like it's okay. Because
Speaker 1: when I kill an animal, I act stupid, I get giddy,
Speaker 1: I laugh, we hoop and holler, you know, like that's
Speaker 1: just that's me. That's not even why I was raised
Speaker 1: because my dad's very stoic, you know. Um. So that's
Speaker 1: my genuine reaction to it. And that's for me probably
Speaker 1: a culmination of all the work that went into it,
Speaker 1: or just the excitement of the moment. That's how I respond,
Speaker 1: and I think that that's okay. I think it's okay
Speaker 1: to what to have whatever genuine emotion you have in
Speaker 1: that moment, because I see people who are like, you know,
Speaker 1: all happy and excited, and then they try to act
Speaker 1: sad or they try to act they try to act right,
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's necessarily disrespectful to to smile,
Speaker 1: to grab a whole of them, to take a picture
Speaker 1: and show that emotion that's there. I think that it's
Speaker 1: a little bit disingenuous to try to use two big
Speaker 1: of a word that was disingenuous. Hit it anyway. I
Speaker 1: think I think it's a little disingenuous to show only
Speaker 1: that part of it, to be like, this is the experience,
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I did. I killed an animal,
Speaker 1: and this is all you're gonna see. UM. A lot
Speaker 1: of what I do with YouTube and everything is trying
Speaker 1: to show the whole thing. You're you're gonna show the
Speaker 1: scouting period, You're gonna show the hunt, the stock to kill,
Speaker 1: the trophy photos. Probably it's going to be a part
Speaker 1: of that for sure, the butchering, the cooking, the consuming,
Speaker 1: all of it. I want to show the whole thing anyway,
Speaker 1: because I think the whole experience is awesome. So people
Speaker 1: get focused on that one part of it and they
Speaker 1: try to act like that's the whole experience. But I
Speaker 1: think as long as it's a part of the big
Speaker 1: picture of the hunt, it's just fine. And if you
Speaker 1: genuinely have emotions where you're sad in that moment or
Speaker 1: where you feel out of respect, awesome, show it if
Speaker 1: that's what it is, but don't fake it. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: And i've recently I'm not sure when this started to
Speaker 1: happen or why, and it is super Somebody asked me
Speaker 1: when I was like hushing with you, why didn't you
Speaker 1: do anything? And I was like, recently, over the last
Speaker 1: probably two years, when I kill things, I go frequiously dead,
Speaker 1: like freashly calm, and I don't have I like get
Speaker 1: this serene feeling of like calmness, because you ramp it
Speaker 1: up and then I think my body must be like calm,
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't celebrate, just be completely emotionless at
Speaker 1: the moment. And um, that's been only the last couple
Speaker 1: of years, and it was nothing I ever did to
Speaker 1: try that just started happening, and I thought like, okay,
Speaker 1: do I should I At some point a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, I thought, well, should start to smile jump
Speaker 1: around when somebody's filming it, because it looks pretty weird.
Speaker 1: If I just stand over the animal without any emotion,
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm kind of an asshole about the
Speaker 1: serial killer. Just stare at it bluntly. I've done it
Speaker 1: onto the next no emotion, but it's it's less. It's
Speaker 1: not a lack of emotions. It's just the calmness that
Speaker 1: is the emotion. Um. And so to try to unpack
Speaker 1: all that, yeah, like you said, it's challenging, I think
Speaker 1: to try to unpack all that and present it in
Speaker 1: a way, especially when it's not when you're filming it,
Speaker 1: it's it's happened. You can edit it, take parts away,
Speaker 1: but you can't really do much to add. But when
Speaker 1: you're when you're not filming it, when you're presenting it
Speaker 1: via a picture by picture or a moment by moment
Speaker 1: in a little clipp its snippets, it's you can change
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, And I'm almost I don't know, and
Speaker 1: I take a photo and I'm just like stoke and
Speaker 1: sitting by an animal that is exactly anybody that's hunted
Speaker 1: with me and seem to kill something that's a hundred
Speaker 1: percents away that I am one pents away that I am,
Speaker 1: and that's not it's the same as like you said,
Speaker 1: same as somebody like just jumping up and cheering and laughing,
Speaker 1: same thing. All those things are genuine. Yeah, it's just
Speaker 1: you never know how it's gonna affect you. That's one
Speaker 1: of the coolest things about it. It's like I've seen people,
Speaker 1: I've seen people cry, I've seen people freak out, and
Speaker 1: see people do exactly what you're talking about, be calm,
Speaker 1: and that's that's what's cool about it. Like it's different
Speaker 1: for everybody. It's a that's the personal element of it,
Speaker 1: you know, Like hunting is personal because it's different for everybody,
Speaker 1: and I think that's the way it should be. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well then it comes down to so percent agree with
Speaker 1: you on that part. And I've never said that, Like
Speaker 1: I've taken a million group of goods in my life.
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's wrong, But
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's parts of our hunting culture that
Speaker 1: have been so bastardized that we can't get him back,
Speaker 1: and it's most most our fault. Like like I said,
Speaker 1: when you go to the A T A and you
Speaker 1: walk into a certain Bow Companies booth and there's like
Speaker 1: trading cards with guys with big dead animals. They're not
Speaker 1: spikes and forkeys know that these guys are sitting by
Speaker 1: the gans. These are trading cards. Have got like you're
Speaker 1: a good hunter because of this animal that died. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no context as to where it was killed, what the circumstances,
Speaker 1: you know. And I've talked to green Tree about it.
Speaker 1: Here's a trading Cardrabaal green Tree with the giant deer.
Speaker 1: That means he's a pro. He did this is him?
Speaker 1: So I think we have a large parts play in that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,
Speaker 1: And I think that for so long in the hunting world,
Speaker 1: that was a culture, you know, like and people would
Speaker 1: be ashamed to show if they killed the small deer.
Speaker 1: And you know, I've never felt like that. I've killed
Speaker 1: a ton of small deer and I was excited on
Speaker 1: every one of them, and the whole life was small deer. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And it's the sad thing for me too, is like
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, I know, growing up, like
Speaker 1: I would see it year. I would want to kill it.
Speaker 1: I would kill it. I'd be excited, and then I'd
Speaker 1: be like, oh, everybody's gonna say something because I killed
Speaker 1: another two by three, like the famous for shooting two
Speaker 1: by three's right, and that that sucks. That sucks that
Speaker 1: that's something you even have to worry about a kid.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember killing my first dear man. I
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. There was a mule deer with
Speaker 1: my dad. Couldn't have asked for a better experience, right,
Speaker 1: hike up skip school. Killed this deer in the foothills
Speaker 1: above our hometown. Awesome experience. And I remember like going
Speaker 1: to school and I knew my buddies like, oh, I'm
Speaker 1: gonna ask if I got a deer, and I was worried,
Speaker 1: like they're gonna make fun of me for shooting this deer.
Speaker 1: And that sucks. It sucks that that's part of it
Speaker 1: because it should just be a positive experience. And that's
Speaker 1: a that's a great point too. And then to the
Speaker 1: point about the group and grand trading cards, it's like
Speaker 1: that's almost tellent people you can be a pro and
Speaker 1: be sponsored when you kill a big thing and as
Speaker 1: holy not true, right, like you could be the best
Speaker 1: hunter in the world and every once in a while
Speaker 1: kill a big one and most of the times kill
Speaker 1: a small like it doesn't matter at all. And you
Speaker 1: can manufacture if you have enough money and time and sponsors,
Speaker 1: you can manufacture your own hunting greatness. Absolutely, because we talked.
Speaker 1: I talked to us as with Casey nobody. It's not
Speaker 1: like golf for any other sport where there's a guy
Speaker 1: commentating live when your activity right, you could go out
Speaker 1: hunt private land, shoot a giant bull, pay twenty grand
Speaker 1: and then use that as a way to make yourself
Speaker 1: look like a competent, world class hunter. Absolutely, And so
Speaker 1: when you started equating the animal with the success, you're
Speaker 1: gonna create feelings like you had that sucks man. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: And that's that's the way to I agree with you,
Speaker 1: Like it seems like, I don't know, you can definitely
Speaker 1: buy that that success in a way. And as as
Speaker 1: you become more successful, especially in the industry, and then
Speaker 1: maybe you have a company that's paying for your hunts
Speaker 1: or you have whatever else, then it's like, oh he's
Speaker 1: more successful. Then it like legitimizes you. But really all
Speaker 1: you do is have opportunities that you average Joe wouldn't
Speaker 1: have well in those companies. The expectation of those companies
Speaker 1: the same. You know, I'm sure there's companies are like, well,
Speaker 1: we can't give this guy money to sponsor him unless
Speaker 1: he's out there whacking giant animals all the time, because
Speaker 1: that's how we know he's good. It's like, man, I
Speaker 1: don't know, how do you know he's good? Are you
Speaker 1: if you're with him every time? Maybe you do, but
Speaker 1: it would be just is good And you know I
Speaker 1: do that for a living now. Sponsor folks. It's like, man,
Speaker 1: I just look at their philosophies as opposed to their results,
Speaker 1: because the results are not indicative of the dedication to
Speaker 1: to the thing. No, yeah, you have to understand the
Speaker 1: circumstances to go with it. You know. You look at
Speaker 1: these guys and they might be holding the white tail
Speaker 1: buck that wouldn't really raise an eyebrow if you were
Speaker 1: to put it up at a show like a t
Speaker 1: A or like that. But it's a public land buck,
Speaker 1: and the things that they had to do to a
Speaker 1: pumplish that are are much more difficult than than you know,
Speaker 1: some of the other circumstances you can see these giant deer,
Speaker 1: and so it's just not Yeah, that picture itself doesn't
Speaker 1: really represent the entire story. Yeah, and that's hard too,
Speaker 1: because I don't want to take away because you talk
Speaker 1: about the grip and grins in and of themselves, like
Speaker 1: that guy who just killed that for key and takes
Speaker 1: a grip and grin, but he just the deer's laying there.
Speaker 1: He jumps behind it. He's excited, like my picture due
Speaker 1: And that's the picture of like, oh my god, as
Speaker 1: opposed to the guy who shoots the the animal, puts
Speaker 1: it in the back of a truck, drives it to
Speaker 1: the vista, sets it down, dumps water on it, scrubs
Speaker 1: it off, puts his you know, his sponsor items in
Speaker 1: front of it, turns it to the camera professional cameraman,
Speaker 1: and then do those things feel That's completely different. And
Speaker 1: so there's no way that I, me or you or
Speaker 1: anybody saying like, don't do that, right, it's impossible, But
Speaker 1: it is like, don't do that one version of it
Speaker 1: because that Fox hunters and as a little butter on
Speaker 1: the bread messes with too. Yeah, like it screws us
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it really screws us in the
Speaker 1: non hunting world. Yeah, because that's the that's what they see,
Speaker 1: that's the snapshot. And you know the way that social
Speaker 1: media work with algorithms, those are gonna be the pictures
Speaker 1: that are most liked because they're coming from not only
Speaker 1: companies who are maybe pushing their guys, but also a
Speaker 1: person who's gonna have a little large social media following.
Speaker 1: So when they explore something a hashtag that might be
Speaker 1: hunting a reallydy, they're gonna see those top posts and
Speaker 1: it's gonna be six guys with Giant Bucks. Yeah, no,
Speaker 1: it's true. I'm sure you're the same way if I
Speaker 1: if you or I you, and it's tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this. But if you post for me,
Speaker 1: as if I post picture of meat or a dead
Speaker 1: animal with me behind it, give way more likes. And
Speaker 1: if I just post like a picture of you know,
Speaker 1: some random hunting activity or me hiking around or somebody
Speaker 1: with plants mushroom here's before plants, didn't find it like six,
Speaker 1: I gotta hurry up kill. Yeah. Well that's the truth
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, the truth of it, and the truth
Speaker 1: of it is also is a grip and grin versus
Speaker 1: like some other type of dead animal celebration shot is
Speaker 1: more popular than than one that isn't. Yeah, yeah, and
Speaker 1: I'm always curious to know too, and like that's what
Speaker 1: the cool things about social media. Go back through and
Speaker 1: look and be like, what's the most popular, what's the
Speaker 1: most like things I did or whatever? And that's always
Speaker 1: the deer I killed. It's usually the gripping grin for me,
Speaker 1: Like in my space, if I find a giant set
Speaker 1: of antlers. The ball was doing really well, but it's funny,
Speaker 1: the funny. The most popular thing I ever posted wasn't.
Speaker 1: It was a drawing of me naked with an elk
Speaker 1: shit over my shoulders in Paler Lacey did and then yeah,
Speaker 1: my logo actually I just came up with was the
Speaker 1: most popular picture I've ever posted. This one lest Yes
Speaker 1: from the artist friends. I gotta get friends that are
Speaker 1: are I could take up with that guy. He's amazing. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's legit. It's crazy to get artwork. Yeah, he's thoughtful
Speaker 1: and way he does it too. Yeah, that conversation will
Speaker 1: probably go on for everybody. I think it's just indicative
Speaker 1: of our inability as a group to decide how to
Speaker 1: depict this complex thing that we're doing because it isn't.
Speaker 1: I almost wish maybe we can recruit. We would talk
Speaker 1: about recruiting Jim Nance to come on, yeah with soft voice,
Speaker 1: Yeah there you Okay, Ben steps up the box, walking in,
Speaker 1: box walking in. Then he missed it again. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: that's the third time this week. At least if that happened,
Speaker 1: everybody would know who's good news bad as opposed to
Speaker 1: the other way around. Yeah, I agree totally. Like there's
Speaker 1: no and getting the whole hunting industry to agree on
Speaker 1: anything cohesive. It's just, you know, there's not one point
Speaker 1: that we all anywhere near you know what I found
Speaker 1: this week too, And I'm guilty of it so much.
Speaker 1: It's like we're like a bunch of little like little ladies,
Speaker 1: a little submitting circle. Hey, you hear about old David
Speaker 1: what they do? Like, oh my god, I heard about Davi.
Speaker 1: And then everybody's like that camel does match. Yeah, you've
Speaker 1: got two different patterns, Like what if it was a woman? Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can't hunt if you have two different patterns on uh, yeah,
Speaker 1: we get in clicks and the things. It's just any
Speaker 1: group of people. Yeah, that's but I've noticed that this
Speaker 1: week and I'm like noticed that in myself a lot lately.
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, man, be better than that. Friends.
Speaker 1: We'll be talking rumors about what's happening the group of friends,
Speaker 1: hot gossip on the trail totally. Yeah, that's the way
Speaker 1: it is, man. It's just we should come out with
Speaker 1: the bodies, like total archery guysipal An, I heard, you
Speaker 1: know what I heard. I heard the guys that came
Speaker 1: as cutters are terrible shots. They can't shoot a bow.
Speaker 1: They're only in the hunting space because they couldn't make
Speaker 1: it in the survival space. That's right. That a guy
Speaker 1: Seth I heard he takes steroids up absolutely yeah, his
Speaker 1: aluminum arrows and barely make it. Sorry aluminum, Yeah, we tell.
Speaker 1: I told them with Cole on the last podcast, Guy's
Speaker 1: probably talked about everything. It was a two. It was
Speaker 1: deep cold, interesting though. And his Southern voice is so soothing,
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yeah, I guess he's from Kansas, but
Speaker 1: at the South, the South, he is a soothing soul.
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But yeah, I always wonder about how
Speaker 1: how you come off when you're it's it's such an
Speaker 1: intense group of people and they're all we spend a
Speaker 1: lot of time around each other, hunting and doing all
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff this weekend. In all honesty, I don't
Speaker 1: even know why I'm saying it on the podcast, but
Speaker 1: I just felt like a chatty Cathy, felt like I
Speaker 1: was like talking about something else. Yeah, I feel like
Speaker 1: a fucking gossip Yeah. Just that's the way it is. Man.
Speaker 1: It's just so much of that gets float. And that's
Speaker 1: why I like we're talking about earlier. It's so important
Speaker 1: to get to know people because if you just went
Speaker 1: on what you heard this, you think this whole world
Speaker 1: is a lot worse off than that's right. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: then you meet, Like I said, I'm ninety percent of
Speaker 1: people I meet that are love hunting completely awesome, just
Speaker 1: like we have so much in common. Yeah, it's easy. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's super easy. That's another one I find myself. I
Speaker 1: hang out people that don't hunt. I'm like, man, this
Speaker 1: is a chore to get to know you. It's like,
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about your beach chairs. Why
Speaker 1: don't you just hunt and then we could be friends, Yeah,
Speaker 1: because otherwise I don't want to know you. Yeah. It's funny, man, Like,
Speaker 1: once you get into this hobby, it's like it swallows
Speaker 1: your whole world doesn't and can take this on. Like
Speaker 1: I we're talking yesterday about sports and how like you
Speaker 1: used to care about sports. I still watch it, but
Speaker 1: I don't care about it anymore. I used to fish
Speaker 1: like crazy, fish crazy, whatever, no, all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 1: and now it's just like hunting to swallowed everything. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I had a buddy. Now you get too depressed. But
Speaker 1: I had a buddy passed away in the industry some
Speaker 1: years ago, and um, he's a popular guy in all
Speaker 1: aspects of life, and um we went to his funeral
Speaker 1: and it was like a trade show. I was like,
Speaker 1: this guy is thirty eight years old, has a family,
Speaker 1: two kids, lives in his hometown, and of his funeral
Speaker 1: we're industry people. Yeah, because, as you said, it's his
Speaker 1: whole life. Was that Yeah, you know, he got up
Speaker 1: a you know, his family and his industry family is
Speaker 1: legitimately what it was the people that were there when
Speaker 1: when he was going. So yeah, you think about that too,
Speaker 1: Like this is pretty important to me and you, right,
Speaker 1: because it's that's a lot of our time spent putting
Speaker 1: energy into this group of people, definitely away from family,
Speaker 1: you know, it's we're prioritizing this to be here on
Speaker 1: a day like this. So yeah, and it makes you
Speaker 1: ask some bit of questions to like what's this all about? Like?
Speaker 1: Is there actually good to be done here? Is this recreational?
Speaker 1: Like is it possible for a hobby to really like
Speaker 1: swallow your whole life? I mean, I guess it is.
Speaker 1: There's probably people who basket weave that are just as
Speaker 1: passionate as we are. Who knows, but I hope so.
Speaker 1: So I gotta I like baskets. I like them to
Speaker 1: be what woven. Well, yeah, I'd like to be built
Speaker 1: for the wild. Yeah, I like this bullshit baskets. It's
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's just one of those things. What's it
Speaker 1: seems like most people who really become passionate about it,
Speaker 1: it's like that's your thing, and yeah, and I wonder
Speaker 1: if that makes you better or some the business of
Speaker 1: it makes you more selfish. It always has to at
Speaker 1: some level. I wonder if this a passion for it
Speaker 1: and the surround your stuff with those people makes you
Speaker 1: better at it. But I wonder which side of that
Speaker 1: probably wins out. I don't know. I think there's a
Speaker 1: lot of people who have no part in this who
Speaker 1: know nothing about this that are probably excellent, you know,
Speaker 1: Like I always look at my grandpa. My grandpa's a killer.
Speaker 1: He's a I mean, as long as I've been alive,
Speaker 1: he's been killing deer, and he's not he always wants
Speaker 1: to kill big deer. Not a trusty hunter by any means,
Speaker 1: but he has if he would not understand this world
Speaker 1: in one bit, you were talk to him about it.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's an archery shoot and everybody sits around
Speaker 1: in the bus and talks into heads like, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: more stuff I don't care about. I don't care about that.
Speaker 1: I'm just a hunter. Yeah, no, yeah, I think when
Speaker 1: you're in the industry and you start to make a
Speaker 1: profession of it, it becomes totally absolutely, totally different. And
Speaker 1: then you're talking about in the headphones on the bus.
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I don't know what you're saying,
Speaker 1: where it's any good, whether it's please stop listening now,
Speaker 1: it's gonna go crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I'm probably
Speaker 1: more introspective in times that I'm not chasing animals. But yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's funny too, because that's when it all shuts up.
Speaker 1: There's all this noise with social media, there's all these
Speaker 1: pressures with companies, with all this stuff, and then when
Speaker 1: you actually do the thing that you're all about, all
Speaker 1: those things are out of your head and you focus in.
Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about for me, Man, I'm
Speaker 1: only the only difference that I can tell you from
Speaker 1: when I was a kid until now is I just
Speaker 1: you're gonna understand more as you get older, You're always
Speaker 1: gonna grow understand more. But like the feeling of understanding
Speaker 1: the totality of our lands, m is the one thing
Speaker 1: that's changed to me over time, and it continues to change,
Speaker 1: the totality of knowing, Like I could raise my kid
Speaker 1: in Texas where he's not going to know what it
Speaker 1: feels like like we're you know how you grew up right,
Speaker 1: and how a lot of people out west grow grow
Speaker 1: up that there's this expanse that's accessible to you. Maybe
Speaker 1: you yeah, you might just want to go run or
Speaker 1: bike on it, but you might want to jump in
Speaker 1: and hunt on it. But it's there for he is
Speaker 1: part of your life and you don't have to question it.
Speaker 1: And there's people like you and I older as your kid,
Speaker 1: there's people out older that are they're protecting it for
Speaker 1: you to make sure it stays there. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: that's cool, and I have that's the one change in
Speaker 1: me as I've had a kid, and I know you
Speaker 1: have a couple too, That like the one thing that's
Speaker 1: changed in me to think it's pretty important to understand that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: something I totally took for granted growing up. Yeah, me too.
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like, it's not my mind. We're recreating
Speaker 1: on public land. You know, we just always had a
Speaker 1: place that we could hunt, lots of places. It was
Speaker 1: never It's one of the beautiful things about about where
Speaker 1: I live in Utah. You know, it's just surrounded by
Speaker 1: public land that was always private too, but you always
Speaker 1: had a lot of places that you could go and
Speaker 1: usually places you could still go and get away from people. Yeah. No,
Speaker 1: And there's you know, if you were if I would
Speaker 1: take you and PLoP you in Texas right now, you'd
Speaker 1: be miserable because there just isn't that reality. You have
Speaker 1: to go around them, befriend ranchers um to get access.
Speaker 1: And I found like big animals, small animals, elk, meal deer,
Speaker 1: there's ty stubblefield pH it's waving um and we're talking
Speaker 1: about public lands. Do you think he do you think
Speaker 1: he's just started tingling and he came over. Yeah he's
Speaker 1: that good. Yeah he's a conservationist. Um, what are we
Speaker 1: talking about? Tis Trews talking about Texas and yeah, I
Speaker 1: think if you access further as access to there. But yeah,
Speaker 1: I think living in Texas, I just look around. People
Speaker 1: don't know, they don't know what they don't have, they
Speaker 1: don't know. And then when you start to know, they're like, WHOA,
Speaker 1: I don't want my kid to you know, not have
Speaker 1: this and to have to go down to the local
Speaker 1: you know, Texas Park with a thousands of people swimming
Speaker 1: hole and try to experience the outdoors. Like that's not
Speaker 1: gonna do it, man, do it. It's crazy. Like having
Speaker 1: kids changes so many things like that, just exactly like that,
Speaker 1: and you started thinking about the world your kids going
Speaker 1: to grow up in. Man, I hope, I hope that
Speaker 1: our kids have have that place, like like I was
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have growing up because that's what that's
Speaker 1: what molded me into the human that I am. Not
Speaker 1: that that's that's spectacular, but those those times making me
Speaker 1: a person on Instagram. Um, but yeah, like we grew up.
Speaker 1: My parents live on the very edge of town. Um,
Speaker 1: and behind us is just like a million acres of land.
Speaker 1: You know, It's just huge. And I grew up every
Speaker 1: day taking the twenty two or will be begun and
Speaker 1: going and chasing cotton tails. And that's what I did. Yeah,
Speaker 1: me and I was growing up with green Ridge, Stay
Speaker 1: Forest and U World's turkeys. He we didn't hunt a
Speaker 1: lot a lot, but we hunted enough for it to
Speaker 1: be a huge part of my life. Um. And yeah,
Speaker 1: if you if a kid that beer we're getting over
Speaker 1: bud light, We're not taking it. I love you TI think. Um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I hunted enough to to to have that in my
Speaker 1: head that that was there and mine or ours, whatever
Speaker 1: the case. That's the one thing that's changing me over
Speaker 1: this time. And do you have anything like that that
Speaker 1: other than that land, Like if you have kids and
Speaker 1: you try to look around and and even you know,
Speaker 1: talking to Casey And another good point I'd love to
Speaker 1: hear from you is like nobody retired, has retired from
Speaker 1: YouTube or of Instagram or any of that stuff. Nobody.
Speaker 1: There's nobody you can say, like, yep, I was doing
Speaker 1: it for thirty years now, I'm just taking my pants.
Speaker 1: I'm just now I'm retired, so I want Yeah, I
Speaker 1: think about it that stuff all the time too, So
Speaker 1: there's like three questions in one and go. So I
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing for me is UM and the
Speaker 1: coolest thing for me about it is the ability to
Speaker 1: like mold it into something that is family oriented over time. UM.
Speaker 1: The creative the ability that you have to do whatever
Speaker 1: you want with the creativity side of it, UM is
Speaker 1: huge for me as my kids grow, I just like,
Speaker 1: I want to turn it into something we do together
Speaker 1: where that's our that's our job. I look at the
Speaker 1: time I spent working a job, you know, I just
Speaker 1: never got that quality time not home a few days
Speaker 1: at a time, and that's that's everything for me. And
Speaker 1: when you see these little kids too, I mean, anyone
Speaker 1: out there that's kids understand it. You worry so much
Speaker 1: about the world that your kids are going to grow
Speaker 1: up in. I look at the hunting as a whole,
Speaker 1: and I see the positives and the negatives of of
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. Um. You know, there's such a
Speaker 1: negative perspective of hunting in the world today amongst people
Speaker 1: who really don't understand it. And I wonder what kind
Speaker 1: of challenges they'll face, you know, even how much harder
Speaker 1: it's going to be to hunt because of the gun
Speaker 1: issue in the future. And so those are some of
Speaker 1: the things that like definitely occupy my mind. Um, and
Speaker 1: then you know, obviously the stuff that goes on with
Speaker 1: public lines issues. But I guess the most important thing
Speaker 1: for me is just like to see what I can
Speaker 1: do to ensure that they have what I had when
Speaker 1: I was growing up. So I know it's probably a
Speaker 1: terrible answer to three questions, but that's kind of what
Speaker 1: I think. Like an interviewer, you don't want to give
Speaker 1: three Hey, there's three really important questions at once at
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, no, I think, Yeah, it's I'm interested.
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doing it myself too, but I'm more
Speaker 1: I'm not on my own. I mean, I work for
Speaker 1: somebody pays me a salary to do it, so it's different.
Speaker 1: You know, you're shaping, like you know, once you jumped
Speaker 1: out of the nine to five, now you just it's
Speaker 1: your thing to shape, right. And then as you get
Speaker 1: I think when you probably you can tell me if
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But in the first couple of years you're
Speaker 1: just running at it, and then at some point when
Speaker 1: starts to get successful, you have to sit back and go,
Speaker 1: I don't need to do my five year plan, but
Speaker 1: I need to Is this gonna be our Yeah? You
Speaker 1: just want to make sure they're going to have food
Speaker 1: on the table. That's that's for like the first little
Speaker 1: while for sure, And this is gonna be all right
Speaker 1: for them, you know too, you know, Yeah, that's something
Speaker 1: I've actually talked to Casey about. Two is like, so
Speaker 1: say this does go really big? How much you know,
Speaker 1: do you want to show your kids to the whole world,
Speaker 1: you know, because that becomes that's a concern right now.
Speaker 1: You know, there's definitely people out there who are seeing
Speaker 1: what you're doing that are creepers, and you better not
Speaker 1: be listening. Creepers. If you're listening, you turn this ship
Speaker 1: off or don't watch my channel, don't unsubscribe. I need
Speaker 1: the number, I need that impression, I need that engage.
Speaker 1: But also, but yeah, what do you do? I mean,
Speaker 1: I heard Casey say one time, it's like a family business.
Speaker 1: You know, if you have your kids don't necessarily have
Speaker 1: a choice. If they're going to go to work at
Speaker 1: the family business, they have to do it until they
Speaker 1: can choose for themselves. So yeah, you just gotta walk
Speaker 1: a fine line between putting them out there and also
Speaker 1: not revealing too much. Well, you have somebody like Eva
Speaker 1: SHOCKI did you have a vice who knows she'd go
Speaker 1: She went full bore. And I've talked to her a
Speaker 1: little bit of or not. I'm like, I'm not friends
Speaker 1: with your shocky, but we I know her, she knows me,
Speaker 1: and like I asked her because we have kids that
Speaker 1: are just about same age and we're her and I an'
Speaker 1: same age, and I think she just like, go all in.
Speaker 1: If you're going all in, if you're gonna put yourself
Speaker 1: out there, don't be afraid to put your family out
Speaker 1: there and make it, you know, make it normal. Yeah,
Speaker 1: And I think that's the there's like a positive to
Speaker 1: negative ratio and all this stuff, right, And I get
Speaker 1: so many people that come up to me that are like,
Speaker 1: I love that you do stuff with your kids. I
Speaker 1: love that you guys go on like a little adventures together.
Speaker 1: I have kids, we love to do similar things. And
Speaker 1: I think the positivity that comes out of that will
Speaker 1: always dwarf the potential for a negative result. Yeah, Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I recently my wife got on me. I
Speaker 1: recently wrote an article for Pearsonce Honey magazine. It was
Speaker 1: about I won't go through the whole article. It was
Speaker 1: about Pittman Robertson that was calling for subsequently calling for
Speaker 1: a backpack tax on the outdoor industry. It's pretty harmless article,
Speaker 1: didn't really make a big stink. But there was a
Speaker 1: guy on YouTube. I won't mention his YouTube channel, but
Speaker 1: he made a video about me, calling me a liberal
Speaker 1: scab or a liberal obviously, yeah, everybody knows that. Let's progressive,
Speaker 1: absolutely in every way possible, calling me like a liberal
Speaker 1: spy hunting industry. And then he stole a bunch of
Speaker 1: photos off my Facebook and set them to music and
Speaker 1: then made mother made some other put some other evidence
Speaker 1: up to bear about my being a liberal. And um,
Speaker 1: I made the mistake and mentioned that to my wife,
Speaker 1: and her first reaction like shut it all down. Shut
Speaker 1: down the Facebook, shut down the Instagram. That somebody is
Speaker 1: making a musical video of you about you against your will,
Speaker 1: it's time to shut that down. That sounds like that's
Speaker 1: probably a pretty good point, but that crazy dude is
Speaker 1: one crazy dude. There's no he can't change the hundred
Speaker 1: positive emails that I get, nor would I let that guy.
Speaker 1: And that's good that you won't let him. Yeah, he didn't.
Speaker 1: That that doesn't deserve a voice. Although I was very
Speaker 1: impressed by his is editing. It was well put together.
Speaker 1: I don't know hopefully had licensing for the music. I
Speaker 1: was a little concerned for he might get really good
Speaker 1: hum get in trouble. But yeah, you put yourself, put
Speaker 1: your ideas out there, and this is what it is,
Speaker 1: put your life out there. So it's all the way.
Speaker 1: It'll be. Like I've I've had some real like you know,
Speaker 1: a few just negative type people pop up like that
Speaker 1: that just like I don't know if they're there to
Speaker 1: get a reaction, But yeah, that pops up from time
Speaker 1: to time. But I always just have to look at
Speaker 1: the numbers. Man, it's always a thousand and one positive. Well,
Speaker 1: like you said that, I think most of those folks
Speaker 1: I've found, they say something crazy and you react and
Speaker 1: then they back off, some back off, some getting something
Speaker 1: up sound. Yeah, it's funny. It's a funny thing like
Speaker 1: I find myself though, like getting caught up in a
Speaker 1: little bit where I'll scroll past a hundred positive messages
Speaker 1: to that one where they're telling me I'm an idiot.
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, trust me, I'm not a thousand lights.
Speaker 1: But you don't even know me. Like, of course he
Speaker 1: doesn't know you, that's the whole point. But I don't
Speaker 1: tell the other people who are saying I'm great, like
Speaker 1: you don't even know me. Yeah, you don't know the
Speaker 1: real me. You wouldn't like me. So that's the clip
Speaker 1: we're cutting out of this podcast. You don't you think
Speaker 1: I'm great? About me? Yeah, that's my favorite of my
Speaker 1: favorite of the social media guys like, well do you
Speaker 1: have that opinion? You don't know anything about me? Well,
Speaker 1: that's the point of the social media. The point is
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about you, and you post that
Speaker 1: and they react to it. Once you've become big enough
Speaker 1: that people that don't know you are looking at your stuff,
Speaker 1: that's the expectation that they don't know you be some misunderstandings.
Speaker 1: They're going to think one thing based on their prison
Speaker 1: less they see the world, and you're gonna be thinking another.
Speaker 1: But if they're an asshole, then let them be right,
Speaker 1: let them be. I want to talk about sheds good.
Speaker 1: We've gone too deep into their emotional it's got very philosophical. Yeah,
Speaker 1: switch gears, Uh, watch its because they're awesome. All right,
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us to the hunt. We'll you next time,
Speaker 1: next time. No, they're just man, I couldn't like. So
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about on your podcast in the
Speaker 1: past by people fetishizing the antlers, right, and like, I'm
Speaker 1: about it. I love score, I love inches, I love
Speaker 1: impressive bowls, I love bucks with character, like, I'm all
Speaker 1: about that. And then no, it's not realistic for me
Speaker 1: to kill those kind of animals every time, and a
Speaker 1: lot of the time, like I love meat, I'm going
Speaker 1: after meat a lot of the time. So antlers kind
Speaker 1: of feels that niche for me, Like I love finding
Speaker 1: giant antlers. And also you know they have value, they're
Speaker 1: they're worth money. So I don't know, they're just a
Speaker 1: perfect storm for me. I can find as many as
Speaker 1: I want. You know, you shoot a deer and you're
Speaker 1: done hunting for the day. You pick up now, let
Speaker 1: you throw on your pack. You keep going. And then
Speaker 1: also you know, there's just never enough hunts in the
Speaker 1: year for me at least, you know, growing up that
Speaker 1: was the way it was I couldn't get enough of it,
Speaker 1: couldn't get enough days in the field. So well that
Speaker 1: he brought up another point, fetishizing event leerstand to talk
Speaker 1: about that really be rabbit hole. Hell um, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I always wanted to watch chats and I never grew
Speaker 1: up in a place where shed hunting would have been
Speaker 1: I mean white tails, but yeah, we weren't big enough
Speaker 1: to even be soup spoons, so you wouldn't have done it.
Speaker 1: Um and ever, you know what, every time I could say, honestly,
Speaker 1: every time I run across the shed when I'm hunting,
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I got one. I don't know what
Speaker 1: to do with this. Yes, I'm gonna post. It's gonna
Speaker 1: be heavy. I'll probably drop in a couple of couple
Speaker 1: of months. That was me forever though I did the
Speaker 1: same thing. I'll probably I'd like, I want it, but
Speaker 1: I don't want that bad And I wonder how it switches.
Speaker 1: You make a lot of money on chips or is
Speaker 1: it just not necessarily And a lot of it was like, oh,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cover my gas money. Yeah, and if I
Speaker 1: can do that, that's really pretty good. Then they just
Speaker 1: have a buyer in town and they Yeah, that's the
Speaker 1: Reasonally how it was, Um, they'd come through every a
Speaker 1: couple of times a year. I just buy up the
Speaker 1: good ones. Yeah. And then lately I started getting into
Speaker 1: the buying end a little bit more. And I have
Speaker 1: a partner that I work with and he works with
Speaker 1: the exporter. So they you buy or they buy yours.
Speaker 1: But I buy from people and then he buys from me.
Speaker 1: I basically just just upsell them, make a small cut
Speaker 1: to sell them to where they go to China. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they go on shipping containers and they go to China.
Speaker 1: So what are they doing China and ground them up
Speaker 1: and store them. Basically, I don't think they snored them.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's aphrodisiac. Yeah, it's off the counter or
Speaker 1: the counter supplement supplement is is that more profitable than
Speaker 1: say the elk chandelier. Yeah, well right now it's the
Speaker 1: majority of the market. Dog thing is huge, that's true,
Speaker 1: super expensive. If you go go price out some dog
Speaker 1: chews on Amazon, insane is there? You have to know
Speaker 1: a lot about like high fence ranches that are just
Speaker 1: dropping sheds and collect them. Is that a big part
Speaker 1: of the market or is it Guys like yourself. It's
Speaker 1: not the majority by any means, but you know the
Speaker 1: buyers that's to go get them off a high fence ranch.
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. So they don't give a ship. No,
Speaker 1: that's the same. It's interesting to me they're not worth
Speaker 1: as much, like for the trophy quality of them. You know,
Speaker 1: a ranch bowl would be worth as much as a
Speaker 1: as a big public free range bowl. Yeah, keep it
Speaker 1: on public in there because keep it public. I mean,
Speaker 1: just keep the public to be private public sheds. I'm
Speaker 1: going to get a different bus or trespass or you're um,
Speaker 1: how much for like a giant bowl side? So those
Speaker 1: anything bigger than like probably three sixty is considered qualities,
Speaker 1: so you get a little bit better per pound out
Speaker 1: of them. You know to say no, but it just
Speaker 1: varies a lot, like on the if it's a known
Speaker 1: bowl that's or somebody maybe killed it the following year,
Speaker 1: it to be worth more. But you should be able
Speaker 1: to get a few hundred two thousand dollars out of
Speaker 1: a big side. Wow yeah, wow, ohly girl, Well all right,
Speaker 1: can I come with you? You want to go, let's
Speaker 1: get let's get into business. Everybody's all about it until
Speaker 1: you find out how hard it is. Yeah, well, I
Speaker 1: know there's like guys like Eric Chester who Yeah, I know,
Speaker 1: it's huge into it, and it seems to be trending
Speaker 1: that way. A lot of people are doing it. In fact,
Speaker 1: I saw a video that Jason Matsinger shared of when
Speaker 1: they opened up some piece of ground in Yeah that
Speaker 1: and these guys are just running and horseback and so
Speaker 1: I'm at, like, what's the most you'd make in a
Speaker 1: day if you spend all day doing it? Um, my
Speaker 1: best days probably you know, fift hundred bucks, So pretty
Speaker 1: damn good day it is. And if you could do
Speaker 1: it every day, you know, be money maker. Is it
Speaker 1: only fresh brown? So it's the weird way to say it.
Speaker 1: Is it only especially shed? They're called brown brown, that's
Speaker 1: the grade, So they're worth about fourteen to fifteen bucks
Speaker 1: a pound right now for brown um. There's a grade
Speaker 1: called hard white um, which is about ten to eleven
Speaker 1: bucks a pound right now. And then chalk, which is
Speaker 1: the older ones, which you're four to five bucks a
Speaker 1: pound for elk right now, and they're all still getting
Speaker 1: ground no matter what. Like pretty much where from the
Speaker 1: elements doesn't make more potents or less potent. Not not
Speaker 1: that I know. I don't know that much about it,
Speaker 1: but a lot of questions. Yeah, for sure, but you can.
Speaker 1: You can have a good day and make some money,
Speaker 1: but you have a lot of days you don't find
Speaker 1: any that's just like hunting, you know, the majority of
Speaker 1: the time you're not going to have that kind of
Speaker 1: a day. You got any tips for the novice shed
Speaker 1: hunter out there? Um, just get to know where the
Speaker 1: animals are in the winter. It's pretty basic, you know.
Speaker 1: We focus on feed sources and migration routes and just
Speaker 1: find out where the animals hang out in the winter,
Speaker 1: and that's where they drop them. If you're in a
Speaker 1: place where there's not a lot of competition, you know,
Speaker 1: it's better just to sit back, let them do their thing,
Speaker 1: let them drop, let them move out of there, and
Speaker 1: then go in and clean them up. Would you do
Speaker 1: you shed? You don't? Do you shed out just in
Speaker 1: the off season? And that's it. No, Like the more
Speaker 1: deep I get into it, more I find myself taking
Speaker 1: days off from hunting to go to go shut up,
Speaker 1: like when it's cool. I love that. So it's how
Speaker 1: many days a year you shut on? How many your
Speaker 1: will you shed? On this year. You think, oh, if
Speaker 1: I get a hunted in, it's pretty honesome. Ton of days. Yeah, um, yeah,
Speaker 1: I tried three or four days a week, but when
Speaker 1: the hunts roll around that will cut into it, so
Speaker 1: that number might not be quite that high. Maybe a
Speaker 1: bet you got is there a community of people like
Speaker 1: yourself that you tap into? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot
Speaker 1: of people. Actually social media has kind of been once
Speaker 1: brought that all together. Um in Utah, there's a ton
Speaker 1: of people to do it, and obviously other states too
Speaker 1: because they've putting shed seasons into effect and Colorado, Nevada.
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's growing in popularity all the time, which
Speaker 1: is good and bad sure, because it's definitely heighten the competition.
Speaker 1: That video I saw there was like like everybody had
Speaker 1: a TVs and trucks and there's one dude on foot
Speaker 1: running for his life and just running forest company the horizon.
Speaker 1: I enjoyd those things. Man, those openers they get crazy,
Speaker 1: Like people say they're fun, but that's shed opener then. Yeah,
Speaker 1: So that's basically they'll have like an elk refuge. You're
Speaker 1: a winning area that's shut down until a certain date
Speaker 1: that just to keep foot traffic off, Yeah, just to
Speaker 1: give the animals a chance to be on the winter
Speaker 1: range without getting chased around at stress. Yeah, which is
Speaker 1: debatable whether it matters or not. You feel like there's
Speaker 1: any bad size of shed hunting, like guys chasing bulls
Speaker 1: around trying to knock them over, and yeah, that's definitely
Speaker 1: the bad side. I think it's very highly exaggerated how
Speaker 1: often it happens. States I feel like use that as
Speaker 1: justification to close down shed hunting a lot, but I
Speaker 1: don't feel like it actually helps the problem, because people
Speaker 1: who are willing to break the lot of chase and animal,
Speaker 1: they'll break a lot disobey the shed season. So have
Speaker 1: you ever run in anybody that's got caught doing stuff
Speaker 1: like that or just something stressing out animals for the
Speaker 1: point of not really? And I as many days as
Speaker 1: I spend out on the hills, I just don't see
Speaker 1: it very much. You'll see people riding four wheels off road,
Speaker 1: that's pretty common, and um, it's not good. Um. But
Speaker 1: I think the problems that people say go along with
Speaker 1: shed hunting greatly over exaggerated. Are you public mostly? Are you? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Vast majority of what I public line and we have
Speaker 1: a little bit of private My grandpa's a little property
Speaker 1: that has a couple of antlers in it every now
Speaker 1: and then. But you find that that I do have
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about this, Well, maybe better start
Speaker 1: being start my own ship thing there you going dive in? Uh?
Speaker 1: Do you find that you know, ranch owners and private
Speaker 1: landowners are into the idea of letting folks on or
Speaker 1: they want to once they find out there's a profit
Speaker 1: that they want to have it for themselves or what.
Speaker 1: It depends. If they have interested in hunting, they usually
Speaker 1: will go pick up the antler um, especially if they
Speaker 1: know what it's worth. A lot of people are cool
Speaker 1: though they don't care, and you can get permission. Even
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't let people hunt there sometimes will let
Speaker 1: you pick up sheds there. So it's worth asking. It's
Speaker 1: worth knocking some doors and because you can definitely get
Speaker 1: on some better pieces. What's the What are the unwritten
Speaker 1: rules of shed hunting? Are there any like things you
Speaker 1: can't shouldn't do. Don't be a dummy, yeah, don't follow people,
Speaker 1: like if you see somebody in a spot or if
Speaker 1: you know, go somewhere else. Um, it's just kind of
Speaker 1: the same as they are with hunting. Just keep people
Speaker 1: their space. And yeah, obviously don't harass animals because if
Speaker 1: you run an elk into the ground and it dies,
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be any more sheds off of it.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just don't be an idiot. That's good.
Speaker 1: Don't be an idiot. Ship crazy. There you go. What's
Speaker 1: you're done? Advice? Don't be don't be done, don't be
Speaker 1: an idiot. Yeah, well, good man, I appreciate the time.
Speaker 1: I have a lot. I have a lot more question
Speaker 1: about shed hunting than I thought I have, Yeah, because
Speaker 1: I've been experienced to it through the industry, but never um,
Speaker 1: I never thought too hard about it, to be quite honest, Yes,
Speaker 1: that happens. It's a thing man like when you get
Speaker 1: into it, it definitely becomes for me anyway. Obviously it
Speaker 1: came something I was super passionate about and started to
Speaker 1: eat into, even like real hunting. So well, if that's
Speaker 1: the case, we've already sucsessed how much we're into that.
Speaker 1: If that's the case, it must be. Yeah, it has
Speaker 1: an element of fun to it, I'm sure, the excitement. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I can I love not that I would
Speaker 1: sell pounds of mushrooms, but like real mushroom hunting was
Speaker 1: huge for me when I was a kid. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: seems the same way, like you're looking for a certain
Speaker 1: type sure, look at certain type of item laying around
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, it's a good excuse to be out
Speaker 1: there hiking to and get into no country. And yeah
Speaker 1: it's an excellent tool for finding new places to hunt. Yeah.
Speaker 1: So well, is there any resources for the novice shed
Speaker 1: hunter to go out like, other than following your stuff
Speaker 1: and from you? Is there like message boards places people
Speaker 1: can go to really learn? Social media is really good
Speaker 1: for that. Um, I have people, you know, asking questions
Speaker 1: all the time just in the comment sections things like that.
Speaker 1: There's some websites out there that offer like mapping systems. Um,
Speaker 1: I don't know. On X is good. This is a
Speaker 1: good tool. Scout to Hunt's a good tool. There's a
Speaker 1: few out there that people can use to find areas
Speaker 1: where the animals would typically winner good starting points. But
Speaker 1: most of what you're gonna do is gonna put down
Speaker 1: a ton of miles and figure it out how many
Speaker 1: pounds of it? Antlers are probably tons of antlers you
Speaker 1: think are sold to China year A lot like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, Like I just barely sold that's
Speaker 1: pretty sold twelve pounds um, which was a very like
Speaker 1: a pretty small amount. I bought some of it and
Speaker 1: I found some of it, and I gotta think, how
Speaker 1: much is probably in a Yeah, I mean if that's
Speaker 1: or maybe yeah, I betounds in a container and just yeah,
Speaker 1: just it's crazy. It's a lot of it coming out
Speaker 1: in the US is a major supplier of it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: New Zealand they do to a lot of velvet stuff. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been I've been dying to get to New Zealand actually,
Speaker 1: Like I've wanted to just contact one of these people
Speaker 1: to have like a hunting ranch or offer hunts and
Speaker 1: just go shed hunting. Yeah, I think it'd be fine.
Speaker 1: Should do. It's super easy. I'll lookay up with some
Speaker 1: guys I know down there. Yeah, i'd be good. I
Speaker 1: wonder if you ever think about doing content following those
Speaker 1: antlers as they go, Not that you have to fly
Speaker 1: to China and see who's grinding them up, but did
Speaker 1: you ever think about because it's interesting to me, The
Speaker 1: entire picture is interesting to me of going out and
Speaker 1: finding sheds, understanding the animal better, understanding the land better,
Speaker 1: finding the sheds, that's all kind of germane to what
Speaker 1: we do. But selling them to somebody in Asia. What
Speaker 1: are they doing with? What are they doing with? Yeah?
Speaker 1: What exactly are they doing? Like how does it think
Speaker 1: it's putting the shipping container and goes and then what happens? Yeah,
Speaker 1: be curious to know as well. I know they're ground
Speaker 1: and and obviously they go through a process, but I
Speaker 1: don't know where they end up. Yeah, maybe that's a
Speaker 1: shed crazy series. It could be I might find out
Speaker 1: some things I don't want to know about. Hey, you know,
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you'll find maybe they're like blood diamonds and
Speaker 1: there's horrible things going on over there over there. Maybe
Speaker 1: you'll be really cool. You'll meet some couple that got
Speaker 1: pregnant off you know, we have a family. Oh, God
Speaker 1: gets so many views and you need all our kids help. Yeah,
Speaker 1: maybe you'll find out some awesome things. Yeah, you never know.
Speaker 1: Tons of people over there that are just I don't
Speaker 1: know if they snorted or putting it pills. I'm well,
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know. That's kind of low
Speaker 1: on the totem pull of places. I'm gonna go explore yeah,
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of hunts to go on first.
Speaker 1: If I run out of hunts, then you preserve. I've
Speaker 1: been looking at a while. Panda hunt for a while,
Speaker 1: but you want a lot of keep money for him,
Speaker 1: keep looking panda? Why don't panda? Why don't they want
Speaker 1: to have sex? The pandas, I don't know. They're like
Speaker 1: the world's laziest. Yeah, we're talking about right. They won't
Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, like I got in a panda cage
Speaker 1: in China. I saw a video of it, and the
Speaker 1: pan didn't even do anything like whenever like hug the guy.
Speaker 1: Why will a grizzly bear is a panta bear on
Speaker 1: our soup? Peopow? I don't know. This makes me sound stupid.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I know they're not like a true bear. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well then where they like? I got it right in
Speaker 1: anybody who uh, Obviously, if you're listening to this and
Speaker 1: you're in Asia, you have panda knowledge and also knowledge
Speaker 1: of the ground up shed antler market. Please rite in
Speaker 1: yeah for those very obscure yes sections. Yeah, because we
Speaker 1: get a few downloads and ajia every once in a while. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there you go. The chances are somebody listen to this
Speaker 1: and have antlers to antlers answers to all our antler questions.
Speaker 1: But yeah, panda bears are terrible animals. The worst bear, right,
Speaker 1: Grizzly bear would rip the ship out of a panda bear.
Speaker 1: It wouldn't even be close. Yeah, we're talking about that.
Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that was go extinct. We're fine their perspective,
Speaker 1: We're fine. I could have sex with this other panda bear,
Speaker 1: but pretty tired today. Yeah, I've had a long day.
Speaker 1: I love it. They're like full vegetarian, like you can
Speaker 1: go catch them food like, na, I'm sitting against this tree,
Speaker 1: leaves fall down, I catch him, and if you put
Speaker 1: another panda barre on top of me, we might probably
Speaker 1: not we might do it, but dude, you're probably gonna
Speaker 1: have to give me a sleeping pill or grind up,
Speaker 1: grind up an antler and maybe that's what they do
Speaker 1: with them. Full circle panda viagra circle. Well that's a
Speaker 1: good place to end it. That's as good as anywhere,
Speaker 1: I guess handa viagra. Well, thanks for coming on. It's
Speaker 1: get shooting with the last couple of days. Get to
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Speaker 1: Naked fun of everybody makes fun of me would be
Speaker 1: a privilege. We'll do Yeah, absolutely, all right, thanks fun
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