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Speaker 1: Hey, everybody, Welcome to episode number nineteen of The Hunting Collective.

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Speaker 1: I'm Ben O'Brien and today I am joined by shed

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Speaker 1: Crazy also known as Ben Dedamanti and Ben. If I'm

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Speaker 1: saying your name wrong, your last name, I'm sorry, but

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Speaker 1: your first name is awesome. I was joined by Ben

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Speaker 1: for episode number nineteen in Terry Peak, South Dakota. That's

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Speaker 1: a total archery challenge once again. Just like episode eighteen,

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Speaker 1: we hopped into Sam Sohol's public lands bus to talk

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Speaker 1: about Ben's life and times. Ben is a shed hunter

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Speaker 1: out of Utah and he started an online persona that

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Speaker 1: he calls shed Crazy and it is if you're not

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Speaker 1: a following his Instagram account or is other social media accounts,

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Speaker 1: it's a laugh a day, a laugh a minute. Man.

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Speaker 1: The dude is hilarious, and so I wanted to catch

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Speaker 1: up with him see if I could get him to

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Speaker 1: make us all laugh, but also get get a bit

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Speaker 1: of his perspective on social media, a bit of his

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Speaker 1: perspective on the landscape of how people become popular in

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Speaker 1: that in that venue, and talk about some of our

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Speaker 1: other famous topics that we've discussed in previous episodes. So

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Speaker 1: with all that set. Please enjoy episode number nineteen, shit crazy. Well,

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Speaker 1: both of our names are Ben. This could get confusing.

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Speaker 1: How are we gonna do this? I don't know. I'll

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Speaker 1: how we're gonna refer to each other? Ben? Be here?

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Speaker 1: Thanks Ben, ben O Brian Ben never had another Ben

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Speaker 1: on the podcast. Good good, Thanks for being my first

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Speaker 1: other Ben. How does it feel like being a Bend?

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Speaker 1: Is that you feel it's a special privilege or it's

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Speaker 1: almost a burden across the bear Like, let's I feel

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Speaker 1: like it's a pretty good name. Three letters. That keeps

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Speaker 1: it right on my level. So here we go, Benjamin.

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Speaker 1: That's that's the full name is Benjamin. So I never

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Speaker 1: do use it, though I've managed to avoid it for

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Speaker 1: most of my life. I did grow up next door

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Speaker 1: to another kid named Ben. He's my best friend growing up,

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Speaker 1: So I was always Benjamin. He was always ben Jury,

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Speaker 1: ben Jury. Yeah. So if he's listening, you know, it's up, man,

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Speaker 1: shout him out. Shout him out, ben Jury, what's up?

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Speaker 1: It's a random way. How was always Benny? I don't

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Speaker 1: know why. Maybe because I seem a little like a

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Speaker 1: smaller person, childish childish human Benny, Benny ob whatever, whatever, people. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for joining me here at the Total Archery Challenge. Yeah. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: uh we did shoot today. We didn't shot today it's

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Speaker 1: raining outside, no um, but we did shoot yesterday, and

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Speaker 1: you shot an apple, yes, off of a deer's nose

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Speaker 1: at sixty seven yards. It was how does that feel?

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Speaker 1: That was definitely the highlight of my round, and I

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Speaker 1: love that That's going to be the moment everyone remembers,

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Speaker 1: because the rest of the shoe was pretty terrible. It

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Speaker 1: was almost like if you shot, you missed a couple

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Speaker 1: of free throws and then I got your own rebound

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Speaker 1: and then stepped back and hit the game winning Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's exactly how it's like, maybe you only had four

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Speaker 1: and then the next thing. You know, that's a perfect,

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Speaker 1: perfect explanation right there. Yeah, it was sweet man. That

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Speaker 1: so I just held left a tad. The release felt great.

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Speaker 1: Soon as I let it go, I'm like, oh, so

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Speaker 1: much celebration. Yeah, it feel like screamed like a girl.

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Speaker 1: Actually I don't believe. And he pulled it off. We're

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Speaker 1: talking like six seven yards across a little a little

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Speaker 1: open not a canyon with a little open canyon sounds more.

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Speaker 1: It was across the canyon canyon with the river. And

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Speaker 1: it'll get more impressive as time goes on. Yeah, around

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Speaker 1: It wasn't a target, it was it really stood there

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Speaker 1: for a long time. Still there actually a good apple. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Yeah for sure. Uh so I was impressed. But what

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Speaker 1: do you what's your thoughts on the Total Archery Challenge?

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Speaker 1: Not that we have any reason to advertise it, but

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Speaker 1: I think that yeah, it is. It's way cool. I think,

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Speaker 1: you know, the coolest thing for me is getting to

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Speaker 1: meet all these people. Yeah, getting rubbed shoulders with people

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Speaker 1: been a lot of fun. I enjoy smashing a few

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Speaker 1: dozen arrows here. Sponsored by do you have any air

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Speaker 1: responsors already? Gold Tip, Build tip and the shout out

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Speaker 1: to gold Tip. Thanks gold tip. Yeah, I'll be needing

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Speaker 1: some more arrows for the upcoming shoots. Please, uh, if

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Speaker 1: It's not a bad way to spend your day. No,

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Speaker 1: it was good man, there's a lot of fun. Um. Well,

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Speaker 1: you're here as a guest of a company called Canvas Cutter, right,

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Speaker 1: and um I mentioned that to say, like you weren't

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Speaker 1: to hear the story, kid's gotta You don't have to

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Speaker 1: like a Ronnella story. Just jump all over the place

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Speaker 1: and then you go back to the beginning in the end.

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Speaker 1: It's perfect. The end is the middle. Yeah, anything like

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Speaker 1: on my bike right right now. It's not. It's pretty

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Speaker 1: basic for me. I've always just been an outdoors obsessed person.

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Speaker 1: I've always if I had time to hunt, I was

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Speaker 1: So I was literally a janitor and started, Uh, man,

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Speaker 1: I'm just kid. Actually that that work was fine. It

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Speaker 1: I get this all the time. I'm sure you get

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Speaker 1: no one would like me. What Actually, that guy is

423
00:21:27,480 --> 00:21:30,040
Speaker 1: an asshole. So that's funny that we were talking about

424
00:21:30,440 --> 00:21:34,440
Speaker 1: um Cam Haines the other day. And I know Cam

425
00:21:34,480 --> 00:21:37,399
Speaker 1: all enough, he wouldn't mind the US talking about him

426
00:21:37,400 --> 00:21:39,880
Speaker 1: a little bit in this way. But the key has

427
00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:44,800
Speaker 1: when you meet him, he's quiet and humble and the

428
00:21:44,960 --> 00:21:47,320
Speaker 1: nicest guy. And I've heard this about a lot of

429
00:21:47,359 --> 00:21:49,959
Speaker 1: people in the industry that are you know, quote unquote

430
00:21:49,960 --> 00:21:53,200
Speaker 1: celebrities that they're you know, I don't know about that

431
00:21:53,320 --> 00:21:55,960
Speaker 1: Donny Vincent guy. And then when I talk to people,

432
00:21:56,000 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 1: they're like, oh, what a great dude. You know Sam Soul,

433
00:21:58,640 --> 00:22:02,000
Speaker 1: who's bus we're on right now? Thank you Sam Um

434
00:22:03,040 --> 00:22:04,359
Speaker 1: I went on a hunt with him. Say he's a

435
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:07,520
Speaker 1: great guy. Yeah, he's a great guy. But he filters

436
00:22:07,560 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 1: those those guys filter themselves into the Internet just in

437
00:22:10,600 --> 00:22:14,080
Speaker 1: a different way. And I've I've been just I tell

438
00:22:14,119 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 1: people all the time, you just gotta separate that stuff absolutely,

439
00:22:17,040 --> 00:22:19,840
Speaker 1: Like if you separated, there's a guys people are doing

440
00:22:19,880 --> 00:22:23,200
Speaker 1: what they're doing, especially for you. When it becomes a business,

441
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,280
Speaker 1: all of a sudden when people are paying you for

442
00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:30,000
Speaker 1: that filter. Um, it's just different. Yeah. Absolutely, And I

443
00:22:30,080 --> 00:22:32,639
Speaker 1: think like what you're saying to about like really getting

444
00:22:32,680 --> 00:22:35,000
Speaker 1: to know people in person is so valuable because I

445
00:22:35,080 --> 00:22:38,040
Speaker 1: had preconceived notions about so many people, like they are

446
00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:42,159
Speaker 1: quote unquote in the industry, or like just ideas, like

447
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:44,040
Speaker 1: people will come up and tell you all you know,

448
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,280
Speaker 1: that guy's an ass or this and this, but you

449
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,440
Speaker 1: have to meet people, sit down and like get to

450
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:51,920
Speaker 1: talk to him because most of the time, like, yeah,

451
00:22:52,000 --> 00:22:55,240
Speaker 1: people have beefs or whatever. But it seems like everybody

452
00:22:55,320 --> 00:22:57,840
Speaker 1: I meet is just nice. Yeah, man, I don't there's

453
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:02,480
Speaker 1: I've may a career just knowing people, and that's part

454
00:23:02,520 --> 00:23:04,680
Speaker 1: of my job right now. And I can't tell you

455
00:23:04,720 --> 00:23:06,320
Speaker 1: if a handful of people that I wouldn't want to

456
00:23:06,359 --> 00:23:09,920
Speaker 1: have a beer with. And I can tell you a

457
00:23:10,000 --> 00:23:12,480
Speaker 1: good number of those folks those instagrams I just don't

458
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 1: follow because it's not my kind of big um. But

459
00:23:16,640 --> 00:23:18,920
Speaker 1: it doesn't mean that they're bad people. It's just they're filters.

460
00:23:19,000 --> 00:23:21,719
Speaker 1: What they're filters, They choose to focus on one thing

461
00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,320
Speaker 1: or look a certain way, and it's weird. I mean,

462
00:23:25,400 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 1: it's just a weird situation. I've always I was telling

463
00:23:28,200 --> 00:23:30,280
Speaker 1: asking Casey and those guys the same things, Like you

464
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,520
Speaker 1: start to put yourself out there and then all of

465
00:23:33,560 --> 00:23:35,560
Speaker 1: a sudden, without you don't even knowing you start you

466
00:23:35,720 --> 00:23:39,480
Speaker 1: change and shift based on people you talked to or

467
00:23:39,840 --> 00:23:42,600
Speaker 1: experiences you have, or sponsors that you might have, and

468
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,560
Speaker 1: the pressure to post this many times a week or

469
00:23:46,359 --> 00:23:50,240
Speaker 1: to fulfill those types of things. Yeah, just I don't

470
00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:52,760
Speaker 1: know how do you deal with that ship. I think

471
00:23:52,800 --> 00:23:58,200
Speaker 1: that I just try to never like fake it because

472
00:23:58,240 --> 00:24:00,920
Speaker 1: it has to be done, you know, like they tell you,

473
00:24:01,119 --> 00:24:03,880
Speaker 1: people will tell you like post twice a day, posted

474
00:24:04,200 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: posting times, but like if I don't have, if I'm

475
00:24:06,480 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: anything to post on my phone, like I'm not going

476
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 1: to make something up just because I feel like I

477
00:24:10,280 --> 00:24:13,320
Speaker 1: need to. And I feel like you lose your authenticity

478
00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:17,280
Speaker 1: in a lot of ways if you're just like Armture

479
00:24:17,440 --> 00:24:20,959
Speaker 1: number posting right, And I think, like as dumb as

480
00:24:21,000 --> 00:24:23,160
Speaker 1: it is, you should do it when when you want

481
00:24:23,200 --> 00:24:24,879
Speaker 1: to do it, when there's something that you want to share,

482
00:24:25,680 --> 00:24:28,240
Speaker 1: and I don't know, you know, don't get caught up

483
00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:32,480
Speaker 1: so much in like the oh I'm trying to build,

484
00:24:32,520 --> 00:24:34,840
Speaker 1: so I have to do it this way. Authenticity is

485
00:24:34,920 --> 00:24:37,320
Speaker 1: what people want to see. They want to see be

486
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 1: your real self. They want to see what you're up to,

487
00:24:39,680 --> 00:24:42,480
Speaker 1: and and that's what works. So many people get caught

488
00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,199
Speaker 1: up in the numbers. They get caught up in the Oh,

489
00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:46,399
Speaker 1: I have to do it a certain way. I have

490
00:24:46,480 --> 00:24:48,320
Speaker 1: to follow this plan if I want it to be this,

491
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:51,600
Speaker 1: But then your real self could be something different. Like

492
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,479
Speaker 1: your real self, you're funny as hell, so you can

493
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:58,240
Speaker 1: turn the camera around and talk to it. It's entertaining occasionally, Yeah,

494
00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:01,399
Speaker 1: well okay, once you're twice then that's all you need.

495
00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:07,040
Speaker 1: Keep keep replaying this viral. And for me, I came

496
00:25:07,080 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 1: up as a journalist, and so I was trained not

497
00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 1: to turn the camera myself, like I was trained to

498
00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:17,159
Speaker 1: document and and report on what's happening, is opposed to

499
00:25:17,240 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: like turning around. So I don't I don't do good

500
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:22,320
Speaker 1: with that, but doesn't mean how many better than somebody

501
00:25:22,400 --> 00:25:26,040
Speaker 1: that does just that's myself, that's what I do. I

502
00:25:26,080 --> 00:25:28,800
Speaker 1: wouldn't change that just to get more likes, because that's

503
00:25:28,880 --> 00:25:31,000
Speaker 1: never gonna work. It might work in the short term,

504
00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,320
Speaker 1: but yeah, certainly not in the long term. Well, people

505
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: that look like us. You know, we don't have that many.

506
00:25:35,480 --> 00:25:37,920
Speaker 1: We have to use our personalities. It's hard. Yeah, Like

507
00:25:37,960 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 1: I always tell people, if I was good looking, dude,

508
00:25:39,800 --> 00:25:44,960
Speaker 1: i'd be so famous. But yeah, I mean, he's really

509
00:25:45,040 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 1: like living in a bus all he has it all.

510
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,560
Speaker 1: He lives in this bus here. He's this handsome man

511
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:57,239
Speaker 1: travels the world and ube it does. He does live

512
00:25:57,280 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: in a bus, though, that's challenging for him. I think

513
00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:02,720
Speaker 1: our demographic maybe, like in the hunting world, that's not

514
00:26:02,800 --> 00:26:06,720
Speaker 1: a cool thing. In the snowboarder like snow bunnies would

515
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:08,360
Speaker 1: dig the bus and wyll be all about it. It's

516
00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,960
Speaker 1: a nice bus, got burlap windows. That's pretty trending. I

517
00:26:12,960 --> 00:26:17,159
Speaker 1: think that's bur lap of some kind um that it's

518
00:26:17,240 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: interesting to me. This is all interesting because as much

519
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: as people might not want to listen to you, guys

520
00:26:21,760 --> 00:26:26,280
Speaker 1: talk about Instagram all day, it's the main way people

521
00:26:26,320 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: interact with me that don't know me. That's the main

522
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,320
Speaker 1: way people interact with you that don't know you. And

523
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,240
Speaker 1: so the ship is relevant, and it's relevant in a

524
00:26:34,320 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: way that like I always sit and think about, how's

525
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:39,960
Speaker 1: this shaping me? What am I doing that I shouldn't

526
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:42,800
Speaker 1: be because of this. What could I be doing to

527
00:26:42,920 --> 00:26:47,600
Speaker 1: better utilize this thing? And that's important because if you're

528
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:50,719
Speaker 1: not doing that, then you're just following the trends, right,

529
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:52,920
Speaker 1: And I think about like, I think about that a lot,

530
00:26:53,359 --> 00:26:55,800
Speaker 1: as you know, as it relates to the ethics of hunting,

531
00:26:56,680 --> 00:26:59,600
Speaker 1: you know, because for the longest time, it was just

532
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,520
Speaker 1: what ever, Um, I'll post whatever I want. You know,

533
00:27:02,560 --> 00:27:05,200
Speaker 1: I'm not worried about offend anybody. I don't care um.

534
00:27:05,400 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: And then I realized like it was starting to alter

535
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:09,320
Speaker 1: the way I hunted a little bit because I was

536
00:27:09,359 --> 00:27:12,920
Speaker 1: starting to care, like about the possibility of introducing someone

537
00:27:13,040 --> 00:27:17,200
Speaker 1: to the sport through Instagram. If somebody stumbles upon something

538
00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:19,760
Speaker 1: that I did and that's their first impression of it

539
00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 1: or you know, it could possibly shape their impression of hunting.

540
00:27:23,960 --> 00:27:26,840
Speaker 1: Isn't something that's positive or negative. So I think that

541
00:27:26,960 --> 00:27:30,359
Speaker 1: like the fact that I know whatever I'm gonna do

542
00:27:30,440 --> 00:27:31,959
Speaker 1: is gonna end up in social media in a lot

543
00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 1: of ways, compels me to be a little bit more ethical,

544
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 1: try to make better choices. So I think it has

545
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,040
Speaker 1: its positives and its negatives for sure, But that's one

546
00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 1: of the positives that I see. Thank thank god, you

547
00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 1: took it that way because a lot of people do

548
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:45,119
Speaker 1: the opposite. You're filming me, I'm going to be a

549
00:27:45,200 --> 00:27:48,640
Speaker 1: complete idiot. Yeah, try to get attention, and some people

550
00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:50,440
Speaker 1: like I'm getting attention, I should do it the right way.

551
00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:53,760
Speaker 1: At least you bounce it out a little bit. Yeah, yeah,

552
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:56,479
Speaker 1: I know. I find and that with me. And then

553
00:27:56,880 --> 00:27:59,080
Speaker 1: I wonder if I took away social media and I

554
00:27:59,200 --> 00:28:01,479
Speaker 1: was just hunting for my self again, and how if

555
00:28:01,520 --> 00:28:04,680
Speaker 1: I would act completely different, or if if I would

556
00:28:04,720 --> 00:28:08,359
Speaker 1: treat the killing of the animal in a different way. Yeah,

557
00:28:09,240 --> 00:28:12,400
Speaker 1: how I would, How I would do it? Why would

558
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: what animals I would kill? Would I'd still be chasing

559
00:28:15,080 --> 00:28:18,600
Speaker 1: big ones to get admiration, or would I just not

560
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:20,880
Speaker 1: care and shoot the first one? So I just wonder.

561
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:22,880
Speaker 1: I don't know. I guess I'll probably never know. Yeah,

562
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:25,879
Speaker 1: it's never going Yeah, I'm not going to erase all

563
00:28:26,000 --> 00:28:29,800
Speaker 1: social media for purpose of my experiment. Not today. Not today.

564
00:28:30,600 --> 00:28:34,000
Speaker 1: That's give me all those small bucks, the medium dollars, right,

565
00:28:34,320 --> 00:28:37,200
Speaker 1: I really love Well, there's a lot of people, you

566
00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:39,640
Speaker 1: know that are having opposition to social media or whatever

567
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:41,479
Speaker 1: and love it or hate it. You know, it's it's

568
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 1: a major part of the culture of what hunting is today,

569
00:28:44,360 --> 00:28:47,920
Speaker 1: and it's definitely how the younger generation consumes media. So

570
00:28:48,160 --> 00:28:51,000
Speaker 1: the people that we're trying to get involved for the

571
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,200
Speaker 1: future of hunting, you know, that's where they're going to

572
00:28:53,280 --> 00:28:56,640
Speaker 1: live in that space, and so everybody has a little

573
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:59,240
Speaker 1: bit of responsibility to make sure they're doing it in

574
00:28:59,320 --> 00:29:03,760
Speaker 1: a way that it doesn't hurt you know. No, And

575
00:29:03,800 --> 00:29:05,920
Speaker 1: I think that I haven't brought up the grip and

576
00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: grin in a few episodes that was getting heavy. But

577
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,520
Speaker 1: when I was thinking about recording with you, I'm like,

578
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:13,959
Speaker 1: I gotta Yeah, this is gonna be We're gonna get

579
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:18,120
Speaker 1: deep on the grip and the grins. Yeah. Um fice

580
00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,600
Speaker 1: to say, like I don't care that much about grip

581
00:29:20,720 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: and grins, Like I really don't, but it became a conversation.

582
00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:26,720
Speaker 1: I think it was more about what you're talking about, um,

583
00:29:27,440 --> 00:29:29,280
Speaker 1: because I went on the Gritty Bowman and I was

584
00:29:29,360 --> 00:29:31,880
Speaker 1: having a bad day at the Archer Trade show. Yeah,

585
00:29:31,960 --> 00:29:34,000
Speaker 1: And it wasn't being a little sick. It's a little

586
00:29:34,040 --> 00:29:37,880
Speaker 1: fed up seeing grip and grins everywhere and and celebrating

587
00:29:37,920 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: this like I killed an animal who sing And uh,

588
00:29:41,000 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: I just said, let's just not do that anymore. We

589
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:46,120
Speaker 1: just not do that. I had said that before on

590
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:49,040
Speaker 1: on Instagram, but didn't feel like I needed to repeat it,

591
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:52,120
Speaker 1: needed to make it like a marching cry of mine.

592
00:29:52,800 --> 00:29:55,960
Speaker 1: But then uh, I got the A T and I'm like, Wow,

593
00:29:56,800 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: this is still pretty prevalent. This is still the banner

594
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 1: that people want, hang um, and so I just want

595
00:30:03,840 --> 00:30:06,560
Speaker 1: dug that a little deeper. Yeah, just might as well

596
00:30:06,680 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 1: as well. And then every subsequently, everybody I talked to

597
00:30:10,000 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: you and every other person who wants me to have

598
00:30:11,600 --> 00:30:13,480
Speaker 1: their own that whatever media thing they're doing, wants to

599
00:30:13,520 --> 00:30:17,280
Speaker 1: talk about that subject. Um, So suffice to say, let's

600
00:30:17,320 --> 00:30:20,560
Speaker 1: have at it. Tell me what you think about. So

601
00:30:21,280 --> 00:30:26,320
Speaker 1: for me, I am about genuine emotion. So whatever you

602
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,880
Speaker 1: feel in that moment, I feel like it's okay. Because

603
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:32,360
Speaker 1: when I kill an animal, I act stupid, I get giddy,

604
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: I laugh, we hoop and holler, you know, like that's

605
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,480
Speaker 1: just that's me. That's not even why I was raised

606
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: because my dad's very stoic, you know. Um. So that's

607
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: my genuine reaction to it. And that's for me probably

608
00:30:46,080 --> 00:30:47,960
Speaker 1: a culmination of all the work that went into it,

609
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,520
Speaker 1: or just the excitement of the moment. That's how I respond,

610
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:53,640
Speaker 1: and I think that that's okay. I think it's okay

611
00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,520
Speaker 1: to what to have whatever genuine emotion you have in

612
00:30:56,560 --> 00:30:59,880
Speaker 1: that moment, because I see people who are like, you know,

613
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,600
Speaker 1: all happy and excited, and then they try to act

614
00:31:02,680 --> 00:31:06,760
Speaker 1: sad or they try to act they try to act right,

615
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:10,280
Speaker 1: And I don't think it's necessarily disrespectful to to smile,

616
00:31:10,760 --> 00:31:13,120
Speaker 1: to grab a whole of them, to take a picture

617
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,320
Speaker 1: and show that emotion that's there. I think that it's

618
00:31:15,360 --> 00:31:18,680
Speaker 1: a little bit disingenuous to try to use two big

619
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:23,200
Speaker 1: of a word that was disingenuous. Hit it anyway. I

620
00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:26,440
Speaker 1: think I think it's a little disingenuous to show only

621
00:31:26,520 --> 00:31:28,880
Speaker 1: that part of it, to be like, this is the experience,

622
00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: you know, this is what I did. I killed an animal,

623
00:31:30,880 --> 00:31:33,200
Speaker 1: and this is all you're gonna see. UM. A lot

624
00:31:33,240 --> 00:31:34,840
Speaker 1: of what I do with YouTube and everything is trying

625
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:37,080
Speaker 1: to show the whole thing. You're you're gonna show the

626
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:41,080
Speaker 1: scouting period, You're gonna show the hunt, the stock to kill,

627
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:43,880
Speaker 1: the trophy photos. Probably it's going to be a part

628
00:31:43,920 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: of that for sure, the butchering, the cooking, the consuming,

629
00:31:48,000 --> 00:31:49,680
Speaker 1: all of it. I want to show the whole thing anyway,

630
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 1: because I think the whole experience is awesome. So people

631
00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: get focused on that one part of it and they

632
00:31:56,160 --> 00:32:00,040
Speaker 1: try to act like that's the whole experience. But I

633
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: think as long as it's a part of the big

634
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:03,880
Speaker 1: picture of the hunt, it's just fine. And if you

635
00:32:04,280 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 1: genuinely have emotions where you're sad in that moment or

636
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,280
Speaker 1: where you feel out of respect, awesome, show it if

637
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: that's what it is, but don't fake it. Yeah. No,

638
00:32:12,320 --> 00:32:15,520
Speaker 1: And i've recently I'm not sure when this started to

639
00:32:15,560 --> 00:32:19,680
Speaker 1: happen or why, and it is super Somebody asked me

640
00:32:19,840 --> 00:32:21,440
Speaker 1: when I was like hushing with you, why didn't you

641
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,520
Speaker 1: do anything? And I was like, recently, over the last

642
00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:29,240
Speaker 1: probably two years, when I kill things, I go frequiously dead,

643
00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: like freashly calm, and I don't have I like get

644
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:37,640
Speaker 1: this serene feeling of like calmness, because you ramp it

645
00:32:37,720 --> 00:32:39,760
Speaker 1: up and then I think my body must be like calm,

646
00:32:41,760 --> 00:32:45,840
Speaker 1: don't you know, don't celebrate, just be completely emotionless at

647
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:50,000
Speaker 1: the moment. And um, that's been only the last couple

648
00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,320
Speaker 1: of years, and it was nothing I ever did to

649
00:32:52,480 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: try that just started happening, and I thought like, okay,

650
00:32:57,240 --> 00:32:59,080
Speaker 1: do I should I At some point a couple of

651
00:32:59,120 --> 00:33:01,920
Speaker 1: years ago, I thought, well, should start to smile jump

652
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 1: around when somebody's filming it, because it looks pretty weird.

653
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:07,880
Speaker 1: If I just stand over the animal without any emotion,

654
00:33:08,400 --> 00:33:10,680
Speaker 1: it looks like I'm kind of an asshole about the

655
00:33:10,920 --> 00:33:15,440
Speaker 1: serial killer. Just stare at it bluntly. I've done it

656
00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:20,440
Speaker 1: onto the next no emotion, but it's it's less. It's

657
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: not a lack of emotions. It's just the calmness that

658
00:33:24,000 --> 00:33:27,680
Speaker 1: is the emotion. Um. And so to try to unpack

659
00:33:27,720 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: all that, yeah, like you said, it's challenging, I think

660
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:33,120
Speaker 1: to try to unpack all that and present it in

661
00:33:33,160 --> 00:33:35,600
Speaker 1: a way, especially when it's not when you're filming it,

662
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:38,760
Speaker 1: it's it's happened. You can edit it, take parts away,

663
00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:41,840
Speaker 1: but you can't really do much to add. But when

664
00:33:41,880 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: you're when you're not filming it, when you're presenting it

665
00:33:44,280 --> 00:33:46,440
Speaker 1: via a picture by picture or a moment by moment

666
00:33:47,000 --> 00:33:50,360
Speaker 1: in a little clipp its snippets, it's you can change

667
00:33:50,400 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 1: those things. Yeah, And I'm almost I don't know, and

668
00:33:55,200 --> 00:33:57,560
Speaker 1: I take a photo and I'm just like stoke and

669
00:33:57,720 --> 00:34:00,960
Speaker 1: sitting by an animal that is exactly anybody that's hunted

670
00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:03,000
Speaker 1: with me and seem to kill something that's a hundred

671
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:06,080
Speaker 1: percents away that I am one pents away that I am,

672
00:34:06,640 --> 00:34:08,960
Speaker 1: and that's not it's the same as like you said,

673
00:34:09,040 --> 00:34:12,359
Speaker 1: same as somebody like just jumping up and cheering and laughing,

674
00:34:12,680 --> 00:34:16,080
Speaker 1: same thing. All those things are genuine. Yeah, it's just

675
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:17,839
Speaker 1: you never know how it's gonna affect you. That's one

676
00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,360
Speaker 1: of the coolest things about it. It's like I've seen people,

677
00:34:20,600 --> 00:34:22,560
Speaker 1: I've seen people cry, I've seen people freak out, and

678
00:34:22,560 --> 00:34:24,479
Speaker 1: see people do exactly what you're talking about, be calm,

679
00:34:25,239 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 1: and that's that's what's cool about it. Like it's different

680
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: for everybody. It's a that's the personal element of it,

681
00:34:32,640 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: you know, Like hunting is personal because it's different for everybody,

682
00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:37,919
Speaker 1: and I think that's the way it should be. Yeah,

683
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,640
Speaker 1: well then it comes down to so percent agree with

684
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: you on that part. And I've never said that, Like

685
00:34:45,080 --> 00:34:46,919
Speaker 1: I've taken a million group of goods in my life.

686
00:34:47,440 --> 00:34:50,840
Speaker 1: I don't think it's I don't think it's wrong, But

687
00:34:51,000 --> 00:34:54,880
Speaker 1: I wonder if there's parts of our hunting culture that

688
00:34:54,960 --> 00:34:57,439
Speaker 1: have been so bastardized that we can't get him back,

689
00:34:58,080 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 1: and it's most most our fault. Like like I said,

690
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,800
Speaker 1: when you go to the A T A and you

691
00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:06,160
Speaker 1: walk into a certain Bow Companies booth and there's like

692
00:35:06,239 --> 00:35:08,680
Speaker 1: trading cards with guys with big dead animals. They're not

693
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: spikes and forkeys know that these guys are sitting by

694
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:17,080
Speaker 1: the gans. These are trading cards. Have got like you're

695
00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:20,279
Speaker 1: a good hunter because of this animal that died. Yeah,

696
00:35:20,480 --> 00:35:24,040
Speaker 1: no context as to where it was killed, what the circumstances,

697
00:35:25,480 --> 00:35:27,680
Speaker 1: you know. And I've talked to green Tree about it.

698
00:35:28,440 --> 00:35:31,160
Speaker 1: Here's a trading Cardrabaal green Tree with the giant deer.

699
00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:34,279
Speaker 1: That means he's a pro. He did this is him?

700
00:35:34,840 --> 00:35:38,840
Speaker 1: So I think we have a large parts play in that. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

701
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 1: And I think that for so long in the hunting world,

702
00:35:41,480 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: that was a culture, you know, like and people would

703
00:35:43,880 --> 00:35:45,680
Speaker 1: be ashamed to show if they killed the small deer.

704
00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,879
Speaker 1: And you know, I've never felt like that. I've killed

705
00:35:49,960 --> 00:35:51,920
Speaker 1: a ton of small deer and I was excited on

706
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:55,399
Speaker 1: every one of them, and the whole life was small deer. Yeah.

707
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:57,120
Speaker 1: And it's the sad thing for me too, is like

708
00:35:57,160 --> 00:35:59,000
Speaker 1: a lot of the time, I know, growing up, like

709
00:35:59,320 --> 00:36:01,360
Speaker 1: I would see it year. I would want to kill it.

710
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:03,919
Speaker 1: I would kill it. I'd be excited, and then I'd

711
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: be like, oh, everybody's gonna say something because I killed

712
00:36:08,200 --> 00:36:11,120
Speaker 1: another two by three, like the famous for shooting two

713
00:36:11,160 --> 00:36:14,840
Speaker 1: by three's right, and that that sucks. That sucks that

714
00:36:14,960 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: that's something you even have to worry about a kid.

715
00:36:17,320 --> 00:36:19,120
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember killing my first dear man. I

716
00:36:19,200 --> 00:36:21,279
Speaker 1: was fourteen years old. There was a mule deer with

717
00:36:21,440 --> 00:36:23,839
Speaker 1: my dad. Couldn't have asked for a better experience, right,

718
00:36:24,480 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: hike up skip school. Killed this deer in the foothills

719
00:36:27,320 --> 00:36:31,200
Speaker 1: above our hometown. Awesome experience. And I remember like going

720
00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,879
Speaker 1: to school and I knew my buddies like, oh, I'm

721
00:36:32,880 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 1: gonna ask if I got a deer, and I was worried,

722
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,439
Speaker 1: like they're gonna make fun of me for shooting this deer.

723
00:36:37,080 --> 00:36:39,000
Speaker 1: And that sucks. It sucks that that's part of it

724
00:36:39,080 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: because it should just be a positive experience. And that's

725
00:36:41,560 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 1: a that's a great point too. And then to the

726
00:36:44,200 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 1: point about the group and grand trading cards, it's like

727
00:36:47,280 --> 00:36:50,239
Speaker 1: that's almost tellent people you can be a pro and

728
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:54,120
Speaker 1: be sponsored when you kill a big thing and as

729
00:36:54,960 --> 00:36:57,920
Speaker 1: holy not true, right, like you could be the best

730
00:36:58,040 --> 00:37:01,279
Speaker 1: hunter in the world and every once in a while

731
00:37:01,400 --> 00:37:02,799
Speaker 1: kill a big one and most of the times kill

732
00:37:02,840 --> 00:37:06,800
Speaker 1: a small like it doesn't matter at all. And you

733
00:37:06,880 --> 00:37:10,360
Speaker 1: can manufacture if you have enough money and time and sponsors,

734
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:15,960
Speaker 1: you can manufacture your own hunting greatness. Absolutely, because we talked.

735
00:37:16,000 --> 00:37:19,120
Speaker 1: I talked to us as with Casey nobody. It's not

736
00:37:19,280 --> 00:37:22,560
Speaker 1: like golf for any other sport where there's a guy

737
00:37:23,280 --> 00:37:26,680
Speaker 1: commentating live when your activity right, you could go out

738
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:30,560
Speaker 1: hunt private land, shoot a giant bull, pay twenty grand

739
00:37:31,640 --> 00:37:34,080
Speaker 1: and then use that as a way to make yourself

740
00:37:34,200 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: look like a competent, world class hunter. Absolutely, And so

741
00:37:39,200 --> 00:37:43,319
Speaker 1: when you started equating the animal with the success, you're

742
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:46,440
Speaker 1: gonna create feelings like you had that sucks man. Yeah, yeah,

743
00:37:46,480 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 1: And that's that's the way to I agree with you,

744
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: Like it seems like, I don't know, you can definitely

745
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: buy that that success in a way. And as as

746
00:37:59,760 --> 00:38:02,440
Speaker 1: you become more successful, especially in the industry, and then

747
00:38:02,480 --> 00:38:04,400
Speaker 1: maybe you have a company that's paying for your hunts

748
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,839
Speaker 1: or you have whatever else, then it's like, oh he's

749
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,719
Speaker 1: more successful. Then it like legitimizes you. But really all

750
00:38:10,760 --> 00:38:14,160
Speaker 1: you do is have opportunities that you average Joe wouldn't

751
00:38:14,160 --> 00:38:17,280
Speaker 1: have well in those companies. The expectation of those companies

752
00:38:17,320 --> 00:38:19,680
Speaker 1: the same. You know, I'm sure there's companies are like, well,

753
00:38:19,719 --> 00:38:22,440
Speaker 1: we can't give this guy money to sponsor him unless

754
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:24,919
Speaker 1: he's out there whacking giant animals all the time, because

755
00:38:25,000 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 1: that's how we know he's good. It's like, man, I

756
00:38:28,239 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: don't know, how do you know he's good? Are you

757
00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:32,840
Speaker 1: if you're with him every time? Maybe you do, but

758
00:38:33,920 --> 00:38:35,920
Speaker 1: it would be just is good And you know I

759
00:38:36,000 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: do that for a living now. Sponsor folks. It's like, man,

760
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 1: I just look at their philosophies as opposed to their results,

761
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:44,920
Speaker 1: because the results are not indicative of the dedication to

762
00:38:45,880 --> 00:38:47,920
Speaker 1: to the thing. No, yeah, you have to understand the

763
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:49,840
Speaker 1: circumstances to go with it. You know. You look at

764
00:38:49,880 --> 00:38:51,919
Speaker 1: these guys and they might be holding the white tail

765
00:38:51,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 1: buck that wouldn't really raise an eyebrow if you were

766
00:38:54,160 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 1: to put it up at a show like a t

767
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 1: A or like that. But it's a public land buck,

768
00:38:58,200 --> 00:38:59,759
Speaker 1: and the things that they had to do to a

769
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:03,560
Speaker 1: pumplish that are are much more difficult than than you know,

770
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,839
Speaker 1: some of the other circumstances you can see these giant deer,

771
00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:10,040
Speaker 1: and so it's just not Yeah, that picture itself doesn't

772
00:39:10,120 --> 00:39:13,120
Speaker 1: really represent the entire story. Yeah, and that's hard too,

773
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:16,480
Speaker 1: because I don't want to take away because you talk

774
00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:18,520
Speaker 1: about the grip and grins in and of themselves, like

775
00:39:18,600 --> 00:39:21,879
Speaker 1: that guy who just killed that for key and takes

776
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:25,480
Speaker 1: a grip and grin, but he just the deer's laying there.

777
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: He jumps behind it. He's excited, like my picture due

778
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,200
Speaker 1: And that's the picture of like, oh my god, as

779
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 1: opposed to the guy who shoots the the animal, puts

780
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:36,040
Speaker 1: it in the back of a truck, drives it to

781
00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:39,520
Speaker 1: the vista, sets it down, dumps water on it, scrubs

782
00:39:39,560 --> 00:39:43,880
Speaker 1: it off, puts his you know, his sponsor items in

783
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,880
Speaker 1: front of it, turns it to the camera professional cameraman,

784
00:39:47,000 --> 00:39:50,480
Speaker 1: and then do those things feel That's completely different. And

785
00:39:50,560 --> 00:39:52,640
Speaker 1: so there's no way that I, me or you or

786
00:39:52,640 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: anybody saying like, don't do that, right, it's impossible, But

787
00:39:56,400 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 1: it is like, don't do that one version of it

788
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 1: because that Fox hunters and as a little butter on

789
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:06,440
Speaker 1: the bread messes with too. Yeah, like it screws us

790
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,600
Speaker 1: a little bit, but it really screws us in the

791
00:40:08,680 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 1: non hunting world. Yeah, because that's the that's what they see,

792
00:40:12,040 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 1: that's the snapshot. And you know the way that social

793
00:40:15,120 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: media work with algorithms, those are gonna be the pictures

794
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,239
Speaker 1: that are most liked because they're coming from not only

795
00:40:20,280 --> 00:40:22,840
Speaker 1: companies who are maybe pushing their guys, but also a

796
00:40:22,880 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 1: person who's gonna have a little large social media following.

797
00:40:25,280 --> 00:40:28,360
Speaker 1: So when they explore something a hashtag that might be

798
00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 1: hunting a reallydy, they're gonna see those top posts and

799
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: it's gonna be six guys with Giant Bucks. Yeah, no,

800
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 1: it's true. I'm sure you're the same way if I

801
00:40:36,160 --> 00:40:38,440
Speaker 1: if you or I you, and it's tell me if

802
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:40,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong on this. But if you post for me,

803
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:43,200
Speaker 1: as if I post picture of meat or a dead

804
00:40:43,239 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: animal with me behind it, give way more likes. And

805
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,120
Speaker 1: if I just post like a picture of you know,

806
00:40:49,440 --> 00:40:53,320
Speaker 1: some random hunting activity or me hiking around or somebody

807
00:40:53,560 --> 00:40:59,680
Speaker 1: with plants mushroom here's before plants, didn't find it like six,

808
00:41:01,680 --> 00:41:04,399
Speaker 1: I gotta hurry up kill. Yeah. Well that's the truth

809
00:41:04,440 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 1: of it. Yeah, the truth of it, and the truth

810
00:41:06,239 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: of it is also is a grip and grin versus

811
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: like some other type of dead animal celebration shot is

812
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:18,279
Speaker 1: more popular than than one that isn't. Yeah, yeah, and

813
00:41:18,320 --> 00:41:19,960
Speaker 1: I'm always curious to know too, and like that's what

814
00:41:20,040 --> 00:41:21,560
Speaker 1: the cool things about social media. Go back through and

815
00:41:21,600 --> 00:41:23,400
Speaker 1: look and be like, what's the most popular, what's the

816
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:25,600
Speaker 1: most like things I did or whatever? And that's always

817
00:41:25,640 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 1: the deer I killed. It's usually the gripping grin for me,

818
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: Like in my space, if I find a giant set

819
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:32,840
Speaker 1: of antlers. The ball was doing really well, but it's funny,

820
00:41:32,880 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 1: the funny. The most popular thing I ever posted wasn't.

821
00:41:37,960 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: It was a drawing of me naked with an elk

822
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:44,319
Speaker 1: shit over my shoulders in Paler Lacey did and then yeah,

823
00:41:44,400 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 1: my logo actually I just came up with was the

824
00:41:46,080 --> 00:41:48,560
Speaker 1: most popular picture I've ever posted. This one lest Yes

825
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 1: from the artist friends. I gotta get friends that are

826
00:41:50,880 --> 00:41:52,919
Speaker 1: are I could take up with that guy. He's amazing. Yeah,

827
00:41:52,920 --> 00:41:56,080
Speaker 1: that's legit. It's crazy to get artwork. Yeah, he's thoughtful

828
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:59,239
Speaker 1: and way he does it too. Yeah, that conversation will

829
00:41:59,239 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 1: probably go on for everybody. I think it's just indicative

830
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:05,360
Speaker 1: of our inability as a group to decide how to

831
00:42:05,480 --> 00:42:08,799
Speaker 1: depict this complex thing that we're doing because it isn't.

832
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,359
Speaker 1: I almost wish maybe we can recruit. We would talk

833
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: about recruiting Jim Nance to come on, yeah with soft voice,

834
00:42:15,920 --> 00:42:21,000
Speaker 1: Yeah there you Okay, Ben steps up the box, walking in,

835
00:42:21,200 --> 00:42:24,479
Speaker 1: box walking in. Then he missed it again. Oh my god,

836
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: that's the third time this week. At least if that happened,

837
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: everybody would know who's good news bad as opposed to

838
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 1: the other way around. Yeah, I agree totally. Like there's

839
00:42:33,120 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 1: no and getting the whole hunting industry to agree on

840
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,359
Speaker 1: anything cohesive. It's just, you know, there's not one point

841
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:42,160
Speaker 1: that we all anywhere near you know what I found

842
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,719
Speaker 1: this week too, And I'm guilty of it so much.

843
00:42:46,000 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 1: It's like we're like a bunch of little like little ladies,

844
00:42:49,640 --> 00:42:52,640
Speaker 1: a little submitting circle. Hey, you hear about old David

845
00:42:53,560 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 1: what they do? Like, oh my god, I heard about Davi.

846
00:42:58,120 --> 00:43:01,279
Speaker 1: And then everybody's like that camel does match. Yeah, you've

847
00:43:01,280 --> 00:43:04,480
Speaker 1: got two different patterns, Like what if it was a woman? Yeah,

848
00:43:04,520 --> 00:43:08,640
Speaker 1: you can't hunt if you have two different patterns on uh, yeah,

849
00:43:08,719 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 1: we get in clicks and the things. It's just any

850
00:43:11,960 --> 00:43:14,880
Speaker 1: group of people. Yeah, that's but I've noticed that this

851
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:17,000
Speaker 1: week and I'm like noticed that in myself a lot lately.

852
00:43:17,200 --> 00:43:21,040
Speaker 1: It's like, come on, man, be better than that. Friends.

853
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:25,800
Speaker 1: We'll be talking rumors about what's happening the group of friends,

854
00:43:25,880 --> 00:43:28,279
Speaker 1: hot gossip on the trail totally. Yeah, that's the way

855
00:43:28,320 --> 00:43:30,200
Speaker 1: it is, man. It's just we should come out with

856
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,840
Speaker 1: the bodies, like total archery guysipal An, I heard, you

857
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:35,839
Speaker 1: know what I heard. I heard the guys that came

858
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,920
Speaker 1: as cutters are terrible shots. They can't shoot a bow.

859
00:43:38,960 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 1: They're only in the hunting space because they couldn't make

860
00:43:40,960 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 1: it in the survival space. That's right. That a guy

861
00:43:43,200 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 1: Seth I heard he takes steroids up absolutely yeah, his

862
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 1: aluminum arrows and barely make it. Sorry aluminum, Yeah, we tell.

863
00:43:54,760 --> 00:43:57,879
Speaker 1: I told them with Cole on the last podcast, Guy's

864
00:43:57,880 --> 00:44:01,680
Speaker 1: probably talked about everything. It was a two. It was

865
00:44:01,760 --> 00:44:04,720
Speaker 1: deep cold, interesting though. And his Southern voice is so soothing,

866
00:44:04,800 --> 00:44:06,920
Speaker 1: you know, yes, yeah, I guess he's from Kansas, but

867
00:44:08,280 --> 00:44:12,919
Speaker 1: at the South, the South, he is a soothing soul.

868
00:44:13,320 --> 00:44:17,799
Speaker 1: Yeah it is. But yeah, I always wonder about how

869
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:22,040
Speaker 1: how you come off when you're it's it's such an

870
00:44:22,080 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 1: intense group of people and they're all we spend a

871
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: lot of time around each other, hunting and doing all

872
00:44:26,320 --> 00:44:30,799
Speaker 1: kinds of stuff this weekend. In all honesty, I don't

873
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:32,320
Speaker 1: even know why I'm saying it on the podcast, but

874
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:37,120
Speaker 1: I just felt like a chatty Cathy, felt like I

875
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:40,000
Speaker 1: was like talking about something else. Yeah, I feel like

876
00:44:40,040 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 1: a fucking gossip Yeah. Just that's the way it is. Man.

877
00:44:43,520 --> 00:44:45,239
Speaker 1: It's just so much of that gets float. And that's

878
00:44:45,280 --> 00:44:46,800
Speaker 1: why I like we're talking about earlier. It's so important

879
00:44:46,800 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 1: to get to know people because if you just went

880
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:52,319
Speaker 1: on what you heard this, you think this whole world

881
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:54,000
Speaker 1: is a lot worse off than that's right. Yeah, and

882
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,520
Speaker 1: then you meet, Like I said, I'm ninety percent of

883
00:44:56,600 --> 00:45:01,080
Speaker 1: people I meet that are love hunting completely awesome, just

884
00:45:01,160 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 1: like we have so much in common. Yeah, it's easy. Yeah,

885
00:45:04,440 --> 00:45:07,680
Speaker 1: it's super easy. That's another one I find myself. I

886
00:45:07,760 --> 00:45:09,360
Speaker 1: hang out people that don't hunt. I'm like, man, this

887
00:45:09,480 --> 00:45:12,200
Speaker 1: is a chore to get to know you. It's like,

888
00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: I don't want to talk about your beach chairs. Why

889
00:45:14,080 --> 00:45:16,879
Speaker 1: don't you just hunt and then we could be friends, Yeah,

890
00:45:17,080 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 1: because otherwise I don't want to know you. Yeah. It's funny, man, Like,

891
00:45:19,600 --> 00:45:21,320
Speaker 1: once you get into this hobby, it's like it swallows

892
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:23,279
Speaker 1: your whole world doesn't and can take this on. Like

893
00:45:23,400 --> 00:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I we're talking yesterday about sports and how like you

894
00:45:26,200 --> 00:45:29,320
Speaker 1: used to care about sports. I still watch it, but

895
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:31,839
Speaker 1: I don't care about it anymore. I used to fish

896
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: like crazy, fish crazy, whatever, no, all kinds of stuff,

897
00:45:36,000 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: and now it's just like hunting to swallowed everything. Yeah,

898
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:40,759
Speaker 1: I had a buddy. Now you get too depressed. But

899
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:42,840
Speaker 1: I had a buddy passed away in the industry some

900
00:45:43,000 --> 00:45:46,879
Speaker 1: years ago, and um, he's a popular guy in all

901
00:45:47,120 --> 00:45:50,840
Speaker 1: aspects of life, and um we went to his funeral

902
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,360
Speaker 1: and it was like a trade show. I was like,

903
00:45:54,800 --> 00:45:57,320
Speaker 1: this guy is thirty eight years old, has a family,

904
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:01,880
Speaker 1: two kids, lives in his hometown, and of his funeral

905
00:46:02,760 --> 00:46:05,880
Speaker 1: we're industry people. Yeah, because, as you said, it's his

906
00:46:06,000 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 1: whole life. Was that Yeah, you know, he got up

907
00:46:08,520 --> 00:46:11,719
Speaker 1: a you know, his family and his industry family is

908
00:46:11,840 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 1: legitimately what it was the people that were there when

909
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,440
Speaker 1: when he was going. So yeah, you think about that too,

910
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:20,319
Speaker 1: Like this is pretty important to me and you, right,

911
00:46:20,520 --> 00:46:23,960
Speaker 1: because it's that's a lot of our time spent putting

912
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:27,040
Speaker 1: energy into this group of people, definitely away from family,

913
00:46:27,400 --> 00:46:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's we're prioritizing this to be here on

914
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:33,640
Speaker 1: a day like this. So yeah, and it makes you

915
00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:36,400
Speaker 1: ask some bit of questions to like what's this all about? Like?

916
00:46:37,040 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: Is there actually good to be done here? Is this recreational?

917
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:43,080
Speaker 1: Like is it possible for a hobby to really like

918
00:46:43,200 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 1: swallow your whole life? I mean, I guess it is.

919
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,120
Speaker 1: There's probably people who basket weave that are just as

920
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:50,000
Speaker 1: passionate as we are. Who knows, but I hope so.

921
00:46:51,080 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: So I gotta I like baskets. I like them to

922
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: be what woven. Well, yeah, I'd like to be built

923
00:46:55,560 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: for the wild. Yeah, I like this bullshit baskets. It's

924
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:00,680
Speaker 1: just yeah, it's just one of those things. What's it

925
00:47:00,719 --> 00:47:03,560
Speaker 1: seems like most people who really become passionate about it,

926
00:47:03,640 --> 00:47:07,400
Speaker 1: it's like that's your thing, and yeah, and I wonder

927
00:47:08,000 --> 00:47:12,360
Speaker 1: if that makes you better or some the business of

928
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:15,000
Speaker 1: it makes you more selfish. It always has to at

929
00:47:15,040 --> 00:47:17,360
Speaker 1: some level. I wonder if this a passion for it

930
00:47:17,360 --> 00:47:19,080
Speaker 1: and the surround your stuff with those people makes you

931
00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,440
Speaker 1: better at it. But I wonder which side of that

932
00:47:23,600 --> 00:47:26,440
Speaker 1: probably wins out. I don't know. I think there's a

933
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:28,759
Speaker 1: lot of people who have no part in this who

934
00:47:28,840 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 1: know nothing about this that are probably excellent, you know,

935
00:47:33,280 --> 00:47:35,719
Speaker 1: Like I always look at my grandpa. My grandpa's a killer.

936
00:47:36,120 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: He's a I mean, as long as I've been alive,

937
00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:41,960
Speaker 1: he's been killing deer, and he's not he always wants

938
00:47:42,000 --> 00:47:43,960
Speaker 1: to kill big deer. Not a trusty hunter by any means,

939
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:47,200
Speaker 1: but he has if he would not understand this world

940
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:48,680
Speaker 1: in one bit, you were talk to him about it.

941
00:47:48,680 --> 00:47:50,799
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, there's an archery shoot and everybody sits around

942
00:47:50,800 --> 00:47:53,480
Speaker 1: in the bus and talks into heads like, yeah, that's

943
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: more stuff I don't care about. I don't care about that.

944
00:47:55,680 --> 00:47:57,279
Speaker 1: I'm just a hunter. Yeah, no, yeah, I think when

945
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:58,640
Speaker 1: you're in the industry and you start to make a

946
00:47:58,680 --> 00:48:01,560
Speaker 1: profession of it, it becomes totally absolutely, totally different. And

947
00:48:01,640 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: then you're talking about in the headphones on the bus.

948
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:06,000
Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, I don't know what you're saying,

949
00:48:06,160 --> 00:48:10,879
Speaker 1: where it's any good, whether it's please stop listening now,

950
00:48:11,680 --> 00:48:14,560
Speaker 1: it's gonna go crazy. Yeah, I don't know. I'm probably

951
00:48:14,640 --> 00:48:18,080
Speaker 1: more introspective in times that I'm not chasing animals. But yeah,

952
00:48:18,120 --> 00:48:20,160
Speaker 1: and it's funny too, because that's when it all shuts up.

953
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:22,759
Speaker 1: There's all this noise with social media, there's all these

954
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,279
Speaker 1: pressures with companies, with all this stuff, and then when

955
00:48:26,320 --> 00:48:28,680
Speaker 1: you actually do the thing that you're all about, all

956
00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 1: those things are out of your head and you focus in.

957
00:48:31,960 --> 00:48:34,520
Speaker 1: And that's what it's all about for me, Man, I'm

958
00:48:34,560 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 1: only the only difference that I can tell you from

959
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,000
Speaker 1: when I was a kid until now is I just

960
00:48:40,239 --> 00:48:42,360
Speaker 1: you're gonna understand more as you get older, You're always

961
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:46,280
Speaker 1: gonna grow understand more. But like the feeling of understanding

962
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:50,560
Speaker 1: the totality of our lands, m is the one thing

963
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:54,560
Speaker 1: that's changed to me over time, and it continues to change,

964
00:48:55,000 --> 00:48:57,719
Speaker 1: the totality of knowing, Like I could raise my kid

965
00:48:57,800 --> 00:49:00,960
Speaker 1: in Texas where he's not going to know what it

966
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: feels like like we're you know how you grew up right,

967
00:49:04,280 --> 00:49:06,600
Speaker 1: and how a lot of people out west grow grow

968
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: up that there's this expanse that's accessible to you. Maybe

969
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:13,680
Speaker 1: you yeah, you might just want to go run or

970
00:49:13,800 --> 00:49:15,480
Speaker 1: bike on it, but you might want to jump in

971
00:49:15,560 --> 00:49:17,440
Speaker 1: and hunt on it. But it's there for he is

972
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:19,400
Speaker 1: part of your life and you don't have to question it.

973
00:49:20,320 --> 00:49:23,319
Speaker 1: And there's people like you and I older as your kid,

974
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: there's people out older that are they're protecting it for

975
00:49:25,600 --> 00:49:27,239
Speaker 1: you to make sure it stays there. Yeah, I think

976
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: that's cool, and I have that's the one change in

977
00:49:29,640 --> 00:49:32,840
Speaker 1: me as I've had a kid, and I know you

978
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:34,680
Speaker 1: have a couple too, That like the one thing that's

979
00:49:34,719 --> 00:49:38,680
Speaker 1: changed in me to think it's pretty important to understand that. Yeah,

980
00:49:39,480 --> 00:49:41,799
Speaker 1: something I totally took for granted growing up. Yeah, me too.

981
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,120
Speaker 1: I didn't know, Like, it's not my mind. We're recreating

982
00:49:45,160 --> 00:49:48,160
Speaker 1: on public land. You know, we just always had a

983
00:49:48,160 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 1: place that we could hunt, lots of places. It was

984
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,719
Speaker 1: never It's one of the beautiful things about about where

985
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,759
Speaker 1: I live in Utah. You know, it's just surrounded by

986
00:49:55,840 --> 00:49:59,960
Speaker 1: public land that was always private too, but you always

987
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:01,279
Speaker 1: had a lot of places that you could go and

988
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,400
Speaker 1: usually places you could still go and get away from people. Yeah. No,

989
00:50:04,480 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 1: And there's you know, if you were if I would

990
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,520
Speaker 1: take you and PLoP you in Texas right now, you'd

991
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 1: be miserable because there just isn't that reality. You have

992
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:18,240
Speaker 1: to go around them, befriend ranchers um to get access.

993
00:50:18,680 --> 00:50:24,080
Speaker 1: And I found like big animals, small animals, elk, meal deer,

994
00:50:27,440 --> 00:50:31,799
Speaker 1: there's ty stubblefield pH it's waving um and we're talking

995
00:50:31,800 --> 00:50:33,759
Speaker 1: about public lands. Do you think he do you think

996
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:37,680
Speaker 1: he's just started tingling and he came over. Yeah he's

997
00:50:37,719 --> 00:50:42,360
Speaker 1: that good. Yeah he's a conservationist. Um, what are we

998
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 1: talking about? Tis Trews talking about Texas and yeah, I

999
00:50:46,239 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 1: think if you access further as access to there. But yeah,

1000
00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:54,439
Speaker 1: I think living in Texas, I just look around. People

1001
00:50:54,480 --> 00:50:56,920
Speaker 1: don't know, they don't know what they don't have, they

1002
00:50:56,960 --> 00:50:59,600
Speaker 1: don't know. And then when you start to know, they're like, WHOA,

1003
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 1: I don't want my kid to you know, not have

1004
00:51:03,280 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 1: this and to have to go down to the local

1005
00:51:06,520 --> 00:51:09,360
Speaker 1: you know, Texas Park with a thousands of people swimming

1006
00:51:09,400 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: hole and try to experience the outdoors. Like that's not

1007
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:16,000
Speaker 1: gonna do it, man, do it. It's crazy. Like having

1008
00:51:16,080 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 1: kids changes so many things like that, just exactly like that,

1009
00:51:19,280 --> 00:51:21,319
Speaker 1: and you started thinking about the world your kids going

1010
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:23,640
Speaker 1: to grow up in. Man, I hope, I hope that

1011
00:51:23,719 --> 00:51:26,840
Speaker 1: our kids have have that place, like like I was

1012
00:51:26,920 --> 00:51:29,359
Speaker 1: lucky enough to have growing up because that's what that's

1013
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,200
Speaker 1: what molded me into the human that I am. Not

1014
00:51:31,320 --> 00:51:37,960
Speaker 1: that that's that's spectacular, but those those times making me

1015
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:41,239
Speaker 1: a person on Instagram. Um, but yeah, like we grew up.

1016
00:51:41,400 --> 00:51:43,600
Speaker 1: My parents live on the very edge of town. Um,

1017
00:51:43,840 --> 00:51:46,640
Speaker 1: and behind us is just like a million acres of land.

1018
00:51:46,680 --> 00:51:49,040
Speaker 1: You know, It's just huge. And I grew up every

1019
00:51:49,120 --> 00:51:51,759
Speaker 1: day taking the twenty two or will be begun and

1020
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 1: going and chasing cotton tails. And that's what I did. Yeah,

1021
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,200
Speaker 1: me and I was growing up with green Ridge, Stay

1022
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:03,120
Speaker 1: Forest and U World's turkeys. He we didn't hunt a

1023
00:52:03,160 --> 00:52:06,080
Speaker 1: lot a lot, but we hunted enough for it to

1024
00:52:06,160 --> 00:52:09,680
Speaker 1: be a huge part of my life. Um. And yeah,

1025
00:52:09,719 --> 00:52:13,680
Speaker 1: if you if a kid that beer we're getting over

1026
00:52:13,800 --> 00:52:19,759
Speaker 1: bud light, We're not taking it. I love you TI think. Um, yeah,

1027
00:52:19,800 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: I hunted enough to to to have that in my

1028
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 1: head that that was there and mine or ours, whatever

1029
00:52:26,440 --> 00:52:29,040
Speaker 1: the case. That's the one thing that's changing me over

1030
00:52:29,120 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: this time. And do you have anything like that that

1031
00:52:31,320 --> 00:52:33,160
Speaker 1: other than that land, Like if you have kids and

1032
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,800
Speaker 1: you try to look around and and even you know,

1033
00:52:36,680 --> 00:52:38,640
Speaker 1: talking to Casey And another good point I'd love to

1034
00:52:38,680 --> 00:52:41,200
Speaker 1: hear from you is like nobody retired, has retired from

1035
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,680
Speaker 1: YouTube or of Instagram or any of that stuff. Nobody.

1036
00:52:46,680 --> 00:52:48,200
Speaker 1: There's nobody you can say, like, yep, I was doing

1037
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,439
Speaker 1: it for thirty years now, I'm just taking my pants.

1038
00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,120
Speaker 1: I'm just now I'm retired, so I want Yeah, I

1039
00:52:54,200 --> 00:52:55,680
Speaker 1: think about it that stuff all the time too, So

1040
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,640
Speaker 1: there's like three questions in one and go. So I

1041
00:52:58,719 --> 00:53:03,000
Speaker 1: think the biggest thing for me is UM and the

1042
00:53:03,040 --> 00:53:04,800
Speaker 1: coolest thing for me about it is the ability to

1043
00:53:04,880 --> 00:53:08,640
Speaker 1: like mold it into something that is family oriented over time. UM.

1044
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:10,799
Speaker 1: The creative the ability that you have to do whatever

1045
00:53:10,840 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: you want with the creativity side of it, UM is

1046
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,120
Speaker 1: huge for me as my kids grow, I just like,

1047
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: I want to turn it into something we do together

1048
00:53:19,560 --> 00:53:22,080
Speaker 1: where that's our that's our job. I look at the

1049
00:53:22,160 --> 00:53:26,600
Speaker 1: time I spent working a job, you know, I just

1050
00:53:26,680 --> 00:53:28,759
Speaker 1: never got that quality time not home a few days

1051
00:53:28,800 --> 00:53:32,200
Speaker 1: at a time, and that's that's everything for me. And

1052
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:34,680
Speaker 1: when you see these little kids too, I mean, anyone

1053
00:53:34,760 --> 00:53:37,520
Speaker 1: out there that's kids understand it. You worry so much

1054
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,000
Speaker 1: about the world that your kids are going to grow

1055
00:53:39,080 --> 00:53:41,160
Speaker 1: up in. I look at the hunting as a whole,

1056
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,600
Speaker 1: and I see the positives and the negatives of of

1057
00:53:43,680 --> 00:53:46,560
Speaker 1: everything that's going on. Um. You know, there's such a

1058
00:53:47,000 --> 00:53:49,719
Speaker 1: negative perspective of hunting in the world today amongst people

1059
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: who really don't understand it. And I wonder what kind

1060
00:53:52,200 --> 00:53:56,399
Speaker 1: of challenges they'll face, you know, even how much harder

1061
00:53:56,400 --> 00:53:57,879
Speaker 1: it's going to be to hunt because of the gun

1062
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,520
Speaker 1: issue in the future. And so those are some of

1063
00:54:01,600 --> 00:54:07,360
Speaker 1: the things that like definitely occupy my mind. Um, and

1064
00:54:07,520 --> 00:54:09,080
Speaker 1: then you know, obviously the stuff that goes on with

1065
00:54:09,160 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: public lines issues. But I guess the most important thing

1066
00:54:14,800 --> 00:54:16,600
Speaker 1: for me is just like to see what I can

1067
00:54:16,640 --> 00:54:19,279
Speaker 1: do to ensure that they have what I had when

1068
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:20,920
Speaker 1: I was growing up. So I know it's probably a

1069
00:54:20,960 --> 00:54:23,320
Speaker 1: terrible answer to three questions, but that's kind of what

1070
00:54:23,400 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: I think. Like an interviewer, you don't want to give

1071
00:54:25,080 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: three Hey, there's three really important questions at once at

1072
00:54:28,360 --> 00:54:32,280
Speaker 1: one time. Yeah, no, I think, Yeah, it's I'm interested.

1073
00:54:32,600 --> 00:54:34,359
Speaker 1: I guess I'm doing it myself too, but I'm more

1074
00:54:34,520 --> 00:54:36,000
Speaker 1: I'm not on my own. I mean, I work for

1075
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:39,880
Speaker 1: somebody pays me a salary to do it, so it's different.

1076
00:54:39,960 --> 00:54:43,399
Speaker 1: You know, you're shaping, like you know, once you jumped

1077
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:45,040
Speaker 1: out of the nine to five, now you just it's

1078
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:47,960
Speaker 1: your thing to shape, right. And then as you get

1079
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:49,440
Speaker 1: I think when you probably you can tell me if

1080
00:54:49,440 --> 00:54:51,399
Speaker 1: I'm wrong. But in the first couple of years you're

1081
00:54:51,440 --> 00:54:54,279
Speaker 1: just running at it, and then at some point when

1082
00:54:54,280 --> 00:54:56,080
Speaker 1: starts to get successful, you have to sit back and go,

1083
00:54:56,320 --> 00:54:58,000
Speaker 1: I don't need to do my five year plan, but

1084
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:00,680
Speaker 1: I need to Is this gonna be our Yeah? You

1085
00:55:00,760 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: just want to make sure they're going to have food

1086
00:55:02,120 --> 00:55:04,239
Speaker 1: on the table. That's that's for like the first little

1087
00:55:04,280 --> 00:55:05,759
Speaker 1: while for sure, And this is gonna be all right

1088
00:55:05,800 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 1: for them, you know too, you know, Yeah, that's something

1089
00:55:08,520 --> 00:55:11,160
Speaker 1: I've actually talked to Casey about. Two is like, so

1090
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:14,360
Speaker 1: say this does go really big? How much you know,

1091
00:55:14,520 --> 00:55:17,520
Speaker 1: do you want to show your kids to the whole world,

1092
00:55:17,880 --> 00:55:20,520
Speaker 1: you know, because that becomes that's a concern right now.

1093
00:55:21,080 --> 00:55:23,799
Speaker 1: You know, there's definitely people out there who are seeing

1094
00:55:23,840 --> 00:55:27,160
Speaker 1: what you're doing that are creepers, and you better not

1095
00:55:27,239 --> 00:55:29,680
Speaker 1: be listening. Creepers. If you're listening, you turn this ship

1096
00:55:29,760 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: off or don't watch my channel, don't unsubscribe. I need

1097
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:35,760
Speaker 1: the number, I need that impression, I need that engage.

1098
00:55:35,800 --> 00:55:41,160
Speaker 1: But also, but yeah, what do you do? I mean,

1099
00:55:41,200 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: I heard Casey say one time, it's like a family business.

1100
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:45,520
Speaker 1: You know, if you have your kids don't necessarily have

1101
00:55:45,560 --> 00:55:46,759
Speaker 1: a choice. If they're going to go to work at

1102
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:48,480
Speaker 1: the family business, they have to do it until they

1103
00:55:48,480 --> 00:55:51,680
Speaker 1: can choose for themselves. So yeah, you just gotta walk

1104
00:55:51,719 --> 00:55:55,000
Speaker 1: a fine line between putting them out there and also

1105
00:55:55,120 --> 00:55:58,080
Speaker 1: not revealing too much. Well, you have somebody like Eva

1106
00:55:58,120 --> 00:56:01,880
Speaker 1: SHOCKI did you have a vice who knows she'd go

1107
00:56:02,200 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 1: She went full bore. And I've talked to her a

1108
00:56:04,320 --> 00:56:06,040
Speaker 1: little bit of or not. I'm like, I'm not friends

1109
00:56:06,080 --> 00:56:08,440
Speaker 1: with your shocky, but we I know her, she knows me,

1110
00:56:09,239 --> 00:56:10,759
Speaker 1: and like I asked her because we have kids that

1111
00:56:10,760 --> 00:56:13,480
Speaker 1: are just about same age and we're her and I an'

1112
00:56:13,560 --> 00:56:18,360
Speaker 1: same age, and I think she just like, go all in.

1113
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:20,440
Speaker 1: If you're going all in, if you're gonna put yourself

1114
00:56:20,520 --> 00:56:23,359
Speaker 1: out there, don't be afraid to put your family out

1115
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,399
Speaker 1: there and make it, you know, make it normal. Yeah,

1116
00:56:26,920 --> 00:56:28,840
Speaker 1: And I think that's the there's like a positive to

1117
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,879
Speaker 1: negative ratio and all this stuff, right, And I get

1118
00:56:31,960 --> 00:56:33,440
Speaker 1: so many people that come up to me that are like,

1119
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,560
Speaker 1: I love that you do stuff with your kids. I

1120
00:56:35,640 --> 00:56:37,880
Speaker 1: love that you guys go on like a little adventures together.

1121
00:56:38,120 --> 00:56:40,719
Speaker 1: I have kids, we love to do similar things. And

1122
00:56:40,800 --> 00:56:42,640
Speaker 1: I think the positivity that comes out of that will

1123
00:56:42,640 --> 00:56:46,439
Speaker 1: always dwarf the potential for a negative result. Yeah, Yeah,

1124
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,040
Speaker 1: I mean I recently my wife got on me. I

1125
00:56:50,160 --> 00:56:53,440
Speaker 1: recently wrote an article for Pearsonce Honey magazine. It was

1126
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:55,520
Speaker 1: about I won't go through the whole article. It was

1127
00:56:55,560 --> 00:56:59,920
Speaker 1: about Pittman Robertson that was calling for subsequently calling for

1128
00:57:00,000 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: a backpack tax on the outdoor industry. It's pretty harmless article,

1129
00:57:06,080 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 1: didn't really make a big stink. But there was a

1130
00:57:07,680 --> 00:57:10,840
Speaker 1: guy on YouTube. I won't mention his YouTube channel, but

1131
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: he made a video about me, calling me a liberal

1132
00:57:15,280 --> 00:57:22,040
Speaker 1: scab or a liberal obviously, yeah, everybody knows that. Let's progressive,

1133
00:57:22,160 --> 00:57:26,520
Speaker 1: absolutely in every way possible, calling me like a liberal

1134
00:57:27,120 --> 00:57:30,800
Speaker 1: spy hunting industry. And then he stole a bunch of

1135
00:57:30,800 --> 00:57:33,840
Speaker 1: photos off my Facebook and set them to music and

1136
00:57:33,960 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: then made mother made some other put some other evidence

1137
00:57:38,440 --> 00:57:42,240
Speaker 1: up to bear about my being a liberal. And um,

1138
00:57:42,560 --> 00:57:44,800
Speaker 1: I made the mistake and mentioned that to my wife,

1139
00:57:45,160 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 1: and her first reaction like shut it all down. Shut

1140
00:57:48,080 --> 00:57:50,680
Speaker 1: down the Facebook, shut down the Instagram. That somebody is

1141
00:57:50,760 --> 00:57:55,760
Speaker 1: making a musical video of you about you against your will,

1142
00:57:55,840 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: it's time to shut that down. That sounds like that's

1143
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: probably a pretty good point, but that crazy dude is

1144
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:06,720
Speaker 1: one crazy dude. There's no he can't change the hundred

1145
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:10,200
Speaker 1: positive emails that I get, nor would I let that guy.

1146
00:58:10,920 --> 00:58:13,000
Speaker 1: And that's good that you won't let him. Yeah, he didn't.

1147
00:58:13,040 --> 00:58:15,560
Speaker 1: That that doesn't deserve a voice. Although I was very

1148
00:58:15,560 --> 00:58:18,880
Speaker 1: impressed by his is editing. It was well put together.

1149
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:22,080
Speaker 1: I don't know hopefully had licensing for the music. I

1150
00:58:22,160 --> 00:58:24,120
Speaker 1: was a little concerned for he might get really good

1151
00:58:24,200 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: hum get in trouble. But yeah, you put yourself, put

1152
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:28,760
Speaker 1: your ideas out there, and this is what it is,

1153
00:58:28,800 --> 00:58:31,240
Speaker 1: put your life out there. So it's all the way.

1154
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:35,320
Speaker 1: It'll be. Like I've I've had some real like you know,

1155
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:38,680
Speaker 1: a few just negative type people pop up like that

1156
00:58:38,840 --> 00:58:41,320
Speaker 1: that just like I don't know if they're there to

1157
00:58:41,360 --> 00:58:45,120
Speaker 1: get a reaction, But yeah, that pops up from time

1158
00:58:45,160 --> 00:58:46,720
Speaker 1: to time. But I always just have to look at

1159
00:58:46,760 --> 00:58:50,800
Speaker 1: the numbers. Man, it's always a thousand and one positive. Well,

1160
00:58:50,960 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: like you said that, I think most of those folks

1161
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,320
Speaker 1: I've found, they say something crazy and you react and

1162
00:58:56,360 --> 00:58:59,840
Speaker 1: then they back off, some back off, some getting something

1163
00:58:59,880 --> 00:59:02,240
Speaker 1: up sound. Yeah, it's funny. It's a funny thing like

1164
00:59:03,280 --> 00:59:05,120
Speaker 1: I find myself though, like getting caught up in a

1165
00:59:05,200 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 1: little bit where I'll scroll past a hundred positive messages

1166
00:59:07,960 --> 00:59:09,520
Speaker 1: to that one where they're telling me I'm an idiot.

1167
00:59:09,560 --> 00:59:13,880
Speaker 1: I'm like, oh yeah, trust me, I'm not a thousand lights.

1168
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,680
Speaker 1: But you don't even know me. Like, of course he

1169
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:20,560
Speaker 1: doesn't know you, that's the whole point. But I don't

1170
00:59:20,560 --> 00:59:22,120
Speaker 1: tell the other people who are saying I'm great, like

1171
00:59:22,160 --> 00:59:25,000
Speaker 1: you don't even know me. Yeah, you don't know the

1172
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: real me. You wouldn't like me. So that's the clip

1173
00:59:27,480 --> 00:59:30,400
Speaker 1: we're cutting out of this podcast. You don't you think

1174
00:59:30,400 --> 00:59:34,480
Speaker 1: I'm great? About me? Yeah, that's my favorite of my

1175
00:59:34,600 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: favorite of the social media guys like, well do you

1176
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:38,920
Speaker 1: have that opinion? You don't know anything about me? Well,

1177
00:59:39,080 --> 00:59:41,600
Speaker 1: that's the point of the social media. The point is

1178
00:59:41,600 --> 00:59:43,320
Speaker 1: they don't know anything about you, and you post that

1179
00:59:44,000 --> 00:59:46,520
Speaker 1: and they react to it. Once you've become big enough

1180
00:59:46,560 --> 00:59:48,800
Speaker 1: that people that don't know you are looking at your stuff,

1181
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:53,440
Speaker 1: that's the expectation that they don't know you be some misunderstandings.

1182
00:59:53,880 --> 00:59:56,440
Speaker 1: They're going to think one thing based on their prison

1183
00:59:56,680 --> 00:59:58,560
Speaker 1: less they see the world, and you're gonna be thinking another.

1184
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,360
Speaker 1: But if they're an asshole, then let them be right,

1185
01:00:03,080 --> 01:00:07,680
Speaker 1: let them be. I want to talk about sheds good.

1186
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:12,200
Speaker 1: We've gone too deep into their emotional it's got very philosophical. Yeah,

1187
01:00:13,200 --> 01:00:22,360
Speaker 1: switch gears, Uh, watch its because they're awesome. All right,

1188
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 1: thanks for joining us to the hunt. We'll you next time,

1189
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:28,680
Speaker 1: next time. No, they're just man, I couldn't like. So

1190
01:00:28,760 --> 01:00:30,280
Speaker 1: I've heard you talk about on your podcast in the

1191
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 1: past by people fetishizing the antlers, right, and like, I'm

1192
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: about it. I love score, I love inches, I love

1193
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:41,240
Speaker 1: impressive bowls, I love bucks with character, like, I'm all

1194
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:43,920
Speaker 1: about that. And then no, it's not realistic for me

1195
01:00:44,040 --> 01:00:46,160
Speaker 1: to kill those kind of animals every time, and a

1196
01:00:46,240 --> 01:00:48,800
Speaker 1: lot of the time, like I love meat, I'm going

1197
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:51,000
Speaker 1: after meat a lot of the time. So antlers kind

1198
01:00:51,000 --> 01:00:53,920
Speaker 1: of feels that niche for me, Like I love finding

1199
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,800
Speaker 1: giant antlers. And also you know they have value, they're

1200
01:00:58,840 --> 01:01:02,280
Speaker 1: they're worth money. So I don't know, they're just a

1201
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,040
Speaker 1: perfect storm for me. I can find as many as

1202
01:01:04,080 --> 01:01:05,800
Speaker 1: I want. You know, you shoot a deer and you're

1203
01:01:05,840 --> 01:01:08,200
Speaker 1: done hunting for the day. You pick up now, let

1204
01:01:08,240 --> 01:01:10,200
Speaker 1: you throw on your pack. You keep going. And then

1205
01:01:10,560 --> 01:01:13,200
Speaker 1: also you know, there's just never enough hunts in the

1206
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 1: year for me at least, you know, growing up that

1207
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: was the way it was I couldn't get enough of it,

1208
01:01:18,040 --> 01:01:20,640
Speaker 1: couldn't get enough days in the field. So well that

1209
01:01:20,720 --> 01:01:24,360
Speaker 1: he brought up another point, fetishizing event leerstand to talk

1210
01:01:24,360 --> 01:01:30,200
Speaker 1: about that really be rabbit hole. Hell um, well, yeah,

1211
01:01:30,240 --> 01:01:32,400
Speaker 1: I always wanted to watch chats and I never grew

1212
01:01:32,480 --> 01:01:34,000
Speaker 1: up in a place where shed hunting would have been

1213
01:01:34,040 --> 01:01:36,560
Speaker 1: I mean white tails, but yeah, we weren't big enough

1214
01:01:36,560 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: to even be soup spoons, so you wouldn't have done it.

1215
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:43,640
Speaker 1: Um and ever, you know what, every time I could say, honestly,

1216
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: every time I run across the shed when I'm hunting,

1217
01:01:45,360 --> 01:01:47,640
Speaker 1: I'm like, yes, I got one. I don't know what

1218
01:01:47,720 --> 01:01:49,840
Speaker 1: to do with this. Yes, I'm gonna post. It's gonna

1219
01:01:49,840 --> 01:01:51,760
Speaker 1: be heavy. I'll probably drop in a couple of couple

1220
01:01:51,760 --> 01:01:53,640
Speaker 1: of months. That was me forever though I did the

1221
01:01:53,680 --> 01:01:56,200
Speaker 1: same thing. I'll probably I'd like, I want it, but

1222
01:01:56,280 --> 01:02:00,840
Speaker 1: I don't want that bad And I wonder how it switches.

1223
01:02:01,160 --> 01:02:02,640
Speaker 1: You make a lot of money on chips or is

1224
01:02:02,680 --> 01:02:05,680
Speaker 1: it just not necessarily And a lot of it was like, oh,

1225
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna cover my gas money. Yeah, and if I

1226
01:02:08,440 --> 01:02:09,920
Speaker 1: can do that, that's really pretty good. Then they just

1227
01:02:10,000 --> 01:02:12,200
Speaker 1: have a buyer in town and they Yeah, that's the

1228
01:02:12,200 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: Reasonally how it was, Um, they'd come through every a

1229
01:02:15,280 --> 01:02:17,280
Speaker 1: couple of times a year. I just buy up the

1230
01:02:17,360 --> 01:02:19,680
Speaker 1: good ones. Yeah. And then lately I started getting into

1231
01:02:19,680 --> 01:02:21,320
Speaker 1: the buying end a little bit more. And I have

1232
01:02:21,400 --> 01:02:23,200
Speaker 1: a partner that I work with and he works with

1233
01:02:23,280 --> 01:02:26,680
Speaker 1: the exporter. So they you buy or they buy yours.

1234
01:02:27,160 --> 01:02:29,000
Speaker 1: But I buy from people and then he buys from me.

1235
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:32,160
Speaker 1: I basically just just upsell them, make a small cut

1236
01:02:32,720 --> 01:02:36,240
Speaker 1: to sell them to where they go to China. Yeah,

1237
01:02:36,280 --> 01:02:38,040
Speaker 1: they go on shipping containers and they go to China.

1238
01:02:38,400 --> 01:02:40,360
Speaker 1: So what are they doing China and ground them up

1239
01:02:40,360 --> 01:02:43,520
Speaker 1: and store them. Basically, I don't think they snored them.

1240
01:02:43,520 --> 01:02:46,800
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's aphrodisiac. Yeah, it's off the counter or

1241
01:02:46,840 --> 01:02:52,040
Speaker 1: the counter supplement supplement is is that more profitable than

1242
01:02:52,360 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: say the elk chandelier. Yeah, well right now it's the

1243
01:02:56,160 --> 01:02:59,640
Speaker 1: majority of the market. Dog thing is huge, that's true,

1244
01:03:00,600 --> 01:03:03,360
Speaker 1: super expensive. If you go go price out some dog

1245
01:03:03,440 --> 01:03:06,880
Speaker 1: chews on Amazon, insane is there? You have to know

1246
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:10,560
Speaker 1: a lot about like high fence ranches that are just

1247
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:14,280
Speaker 1: dropping sheds and collect them. Is that a big part

1248
01:03:14,320 --> 01:03:16,760
Speaker 1: of the market or is it Guys like yourself. It's

1249
01:03:16,840 --> 01:03:19,160
Speaker 1: not the majority by any means, but you know the

1250
01:03:19,200 --> 01:03:21,160
Speaker 1: buyers that's to go get them off a high fence ranch.

1251
01:03:21,200 --> 01:03:22,880
Speaker 1: It's the same thing. So they don't give a ship. No,

1252
01:03:23,280 --> 01:03:25,760
Speaker 1: that's the same. It's interesting to me they're not worth

1253
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:27,960
Speaker 1: as much, like for the trophy quality of them. You know,

1254
01:03:28,040 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: a ranch bowl would be worth as much as a

1255
01:03:30,560 --> 01:03:33,600
Speaker 1: as a big public free range bowl. Yeah, keep it

1256
01:03:33,720 --> 01:03:35,920
Speaker 1: on public in there because keep it public. I mean,

1257
01:03:36,280 --> 01:03:43,840
Speaker 1: just keep the public to be private public sheds. I'm

1258
01:03:43,880 --> 01:03:49,720
Speaker 1: going to get a different bus or trespass or you're um,

1259
01:03:50,800 --> 01:03:56,400
Speaker 1: how much for like a giant bowl side? So those

1260
01:03:56,920 --> 01:04:00,520
Speaker 1: anything bigger than like probably three sixty is considered qualities,

1261
01:04:00,520 --> 01:04:01,920
Speaker 1: so you get a little bit better per pound out

1262
01:04:01,960 --> 01:04:06,440
Speaker 1: of them. You know to say no, but it just

1263
01:04:06,560 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 1: varies a lot, like on the if it's a known

1264
01:04:09,000 --> 01:04:11,880
Speaker 1: bowl that's or somebody maybe killed it the following year,

1265
01:04:11,920 --> 01:04:14,120
Speaker 1: it to be worth more. But you should be able

1266
01:04:14,160 --> 01:04:16,800
Speaker 1: to get a few hundred two thousand dollars out of

1267
01:04:16,840 --> 01:04:21,760
Speaker 1: a big side. Wow yeah, wow, ohly girl, Well all right,

1268
01:04:22,240 --> 01:04:23,919
Speaker 1: can I come with you? You want to go, let's

1269
01:04:23,920 --> 01:04:26,120
Speaker 1: get let's get into business. Everybody's all about it until

1270
01:04:26,160 --> 01:04:28,440
Speaker 1: you find out how hard it is. Yeah, well, I

1271
01:04:28,520 --> 01:04:31,200
Speaker 1: know there's like guys like Eric Chester who Yeah, I know,

1272
01:04:31,320 --> 01:04:33,960
Speaker 1: it's huge into it, and it seems to be trending

1273
01:04:34,040 --> 01:04:36,040
Speaker 1: that way. A lot of people are doing it. In fact,

1274
01:04:36,080 --> 01:04:39,840
Speaker 1: I saw a video that Jason Matsinger shared of when

1275
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,560
Speaker 1: they opened up some piece of ground in Yeah that

1276
01:04:43,360 --> 01:04:47,680
Speaker 1: and these guys are just running and horseback and so

1277
01:04:47,760 --> 01:04:49,400
Speaker 1: I'm at, like, what's the most you'd make in a

1278
01:04:49,520 --> 01:04:52,480
Speaker 1: day if you spend all day doing it? Um, my

1279
01:04:52,640 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: best days probably you know, fift hundred bucks, So pretty

1280
01:04:56,920 --> 01:04:58,560
Speaker 1: damn good day it is. And if you could do

1281
01:04:58,600 --> 01:05:00,960
Speaker 1: it every day, you know, be money maker. Is it

1282
01:05:01,080 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: only fresh brown? So it's the weird way to say it.

1283
01:05:04,440 --> 01:05:07,960
Speaker 1: Is it only especially shed? They're called brown brown, that's

1284
01:05:08,000 --> 01:05:11,360
Speaker 1: the grade, So they're worth about fourteen to fifteen bucks

1285
01:05:11,360 --> 01:05:14,080
Speaker 1: a pound right now for brown um. There's a grade

1286
01:05:14,120 --> 01:05:18,520
Speaker 1: called hard white um, which is about ten to eleven

1287
01:05:18,560 --> 01:05:20,560
Speaker 1: bucks a pound right now. And then chalk, which is

1288
01:05:20,600 --> 01:05:22,560
Speaker 1: the older ones, which you're four to five bucks a

1289
01:05:22,560 --> 01:05:24,800
Speaker 1: pound for elk right now, and they're all still getting

1290
01:05:24,840 --> 01:05:27,320
Speaker 1: ground no matter what. Like pretty much where from the

1291
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,440
Speaker 1: elements doesn't make more potents or less potent. Not not

1292
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:33,120
Speaker 1: that I know. I don't know that much about it,

1293
01:05:33,200 --> 01:05:36,640
Speaker 1: but a lot of questions. Yeah, for sure, but you can.

1294
01:05:36,800 --> 01:05:38,280
Speaker 1: You can have a good day and make some money,

1295
01:05:38,320 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 1: but you have a lot of days you don't find

1296
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:41,840
Speaker 1: any that's just like hunting, you know, the majority of

1297
01:05:41,880 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 1: the time you're not going to have that kind of

1298
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:46,880
Speaker 1: a day. You got any tips for the novice shed

1299
01:05:47,000 --> 01:05:50,360
Speaker 1: hunter out there? Um, just get to know where the

1300
01:05:50,400 --> 01:05:52,360
Speaker 1: animals are in the winter. It's pretty basic, you know.

1301
01:05:52,520 --> 01:05:58,120
Speaker 1: We focus on feed sources and migration routes and just

1302
01:05:58,520 --> 01:05:59,920
Speaker 1: find out where the animals hang out in the winter,

1303
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:02,520
Speaker 1: and that's where they drop them. If you're in a

1304
01:06:02,600 --> 01:06:05,920
Speaker 1: place where there's not a lot of competition, you know,

1305
01:06:06,280 --> 01:06:08,600
Speaker 1: it's better just to sit back, let them do their thing,

1306
01:06:08,720 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 1: let them drop, let them move out of there, and

1307
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,640
Speaker 1: then go in and clean them up. Would you do

1308
01:06:12,760 --> 01:06:15,160
Speaker 1: you shed? You don't? Do you shed out just in

1309
01:06:15,240 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: the off season? And that's it. No, Like the more

1310
01:06:18,640 --> 01:06:20,560
Speaker 1: deep I get into it, more I find myself taking

1311
01:06:20,600 --> 01:06:22,680
Speaker 1: days off from hunting to go to go shut up,

1312
01:06:22,920 --> 01:06:26,200
Speaker 1: like when it's cool. I love that. So it's how

1313
01:06:26,240 --> 01:06:28,440
Speaker 1: many days a year you shut on? How many your

1314
01:06:28,520 --> 01:06:32,560
Speaker 1: will you shed? On this year. You think, oh, if

1315
01:06:32,600 --> 01:06:36,640
Speaker 1: I get a hunted in, it's pretty honesome. Ton of days. Yeah, um, yeah,

1316
01:06:36,680 --> 01:06:39,640
Speaker 1: I tried three or four days a week, but when

1317
01:06:39,680 --> 01:06:41,240
Speaker 1: the hunts roll around that will cut into it, so

1318
01:06:41,360 --> 01:06:44,080
Speaker 1: that number might not be quite that high. Maybe a

1319
01:06:44,160 --> 01:06:48,640
Speaker 1: bet you got is there a community of people like

1320
01:06:48,720 --> 01:06:51,720
Speaker 1: yourself that you tap into? Yeah, yeah, there's a lot

1321
01:06:51,760 --> 01:06:53,640
Speaker 1: of people. Actually social media has kind of been once

1322
01:06:53,680 --> 01:06:57,160
Speaker 1: brought that all together. Um in Utah, there's a ton

1323
01:06:57,200 --> 01:06:59,480
Speaker 1: of people to do it, and obviously other states too

1324
01:06:59,520 --> 01:07:02,920
Speaker 1: because they've putting shed seasons into effect and Colorado, Nevada.

1325
01:07:04,080 --> 01:07:06,320
Speaker 1: So yeah, it's growing in popularity all the time, which

1326
01:07:06,400 --> 01:07:10,280
Speaker 1: is good and bad sure, because it's definitely heighten the competition.

1327
01:07:10,440 --> 01:07:12,680
Speaker 1: That video I saw there was like like everybody had

1328
01:07:12,680 --> 01:07:15,920
Speaker 1: a TVs and trucks and there's one dude on foot

1329
01:07:16,440 --> 01:07:21,600
Speaker 1: running for his life and just running forest company the horizon.

1330
01:07:22,280 --> 01:07:25,200
Speaker 1: I enjoyd those things. Man, those openers they get crazy,

1331
01:07:25,320 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: Like people say they're fun, but that's shed opener then. Yeah,

1332
01:07:28,720 --> 01:07:30,760
Speaker 1: So that's basically they'll have like an elk refuge. You're

1333
01:07:30,760 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: a winning area that's shut down until a certain date

1334
01:07:33,840 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 1: that just to keep foot traffic off, Yeah, just to

1335
01:07:36,120 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: give the animals a chance to be on the winter

1336
01:07:38,400 --> 01:07:41,120
Speaker 1: range without getting chased around at stress. Yeah, which is

1337
01:07:41,400 --> 01:07:43,520
Speaker 1: debatable whether it matters or not. You feel like there's

1338
01:07:43,520 --> 01:07:45,680
Speaker 1: any bad size of shed hunting, like guys chasing bulls

1339
01:07:45,680 --> 01:07:48,280
Speaker 1: around trying to knock them over, and yeah, that's definitely

1340
01:07:48,320 --> 01:07:51,520
Speaker 1: the bad side. I think it's very highly exaggerated how

1341
01:07:51,560 --> 01:07:54,120
Speaker 1: often it happens. States I feel like use that as

1342
01:07:54,200 --> 01:07:58,000
Speaker 1: justification to close down shed hunting a lot, but I

1343
01:07:58,040 --> 01:08:00,959
Speaker 1: don't feel like it actually helps the problem, because people

1344
01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:02,960
Speaker 1: who are willing to break the lot of chase and animal,

1345
01:08:03,160 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: they'll break a lot disobey the shed season. So have

1346
01:08:06,240 --> 01:08:08,880
Speaker 1: you ever run in anybody that's got caught doing stuff

1347
01:08:08,920 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: like that or just something stressing out animals for the

1348
01:08:11,160 --> 01:08:15,840
Speaker 1: point of not really? And I as many days as

1349
01:08:15,880 --> 01:08:18,320
Speaker 1: I spend out on the hills, I just don't see

1350
01:08:18,360 --> 01:08:21,160
Speaker 1: it very much. You'll see people riding four wheels off road,

1351
01:08:21,240 --> 01:08:26,080
Speaker 1: that's pretty common, and um, it's not good. Um. But

1352
01:08:27,680 --> 01:08:29,960
Speaker 1: I think the problems that people say go along with

1353
01:08:30,000 --> 01:08:34,719
Speaker 1: shed hunting greatly over exaggerated. Are you public mostly? Are you? Yeah?

1354
01:08:35,320 --> 01:08:38,280
Speaker 1: Vast majority of what I public line and we have

1355
01:08:38,280 --> 01:08:40,160
Speaker 1: a little bit of private My grandpa's a little property

1356
01:08:40,200 --> 01:08:41,559
Speaker 1: that has a couple of antlers in it every now

1357
01:08:41,600 --> 01:08:45,320
Speaker 1: and then. But you find that that I do have

1358
01:08:45,360 --> 01:08:48,240
Speaker 1: a lot of questions about this, Well, maybe better start

1359
01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: being start my own ship thing there you going dive in? Uh?

1360
01:08:54,160 --> 01:08:56,759
Speaker 1: Do you find that you know, ranch owners and private

1361
01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,880
Speaker 1: landowners are into the idea of letting folks on or

1362
01:09:00,000 --> 01:09:01,719
Speaker 1: they want to once they find out there's a profit

1363
01:09:01,800 --> 01:09:03,360
Speaker 1: that they want to have it for themselves or what.

1364
01:09:03,960 --> 01:09:06,360
Speaker 1: It depends. If they have interested in hunting, they usually

1365
01:09:06,439 --> 01:09:09,559
Speaker 1: will go pick up the antler um, especially if they

1366
01:09:09,600 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: know what it's worth. A lot of people are cool

1367
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,680
Speaker 1: though they don't care, and you can get permission. Even

1368
01:09:14,720 --> 01:09:17,559
Speaker 1: people who wouldn't let people hunt there sometimes will let

1369
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:19,840
Speaker 1: you pick up sheds there. So it's worth asking. It's

1370
01:09:19,840 --> 01:09:23,400
Speaker 1: worth knocking some doors and because you can definitely get

1371
01:09:23,439 --> 01:09:26,679
Speaker 1: on some better pieces. What's the What are the unwritten

1372
01:09:26,760 --> 01:09:29,200
Speaker 1: rules of shed hunting? Are there any like things you

1373
01:09:29,280 --> 01:09:32,599
Speaker 1: can't shouldn't do. Don't be a dummy, yeah, don't follow people,

1374
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,880
Speaker 1: like if you see somebody in a spot or if

1375
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,439
Speaker 1: you know, go somewhere else. Um, it's just kind of

1376
01:09:38,479 --> 01:09:39,960
Speaker 1: the same as they are with hunting. Just keep people

1377
01:09:40,120 --> 01:09:44,720
Speaker 1: their space. And yeah, obviously don't harass animals because if

1378
01:09:44,760 --> 01:09:46,200
Speaker 1: you run an elk into the ground and it dies,

1379
01:09:46,200 --> 01:09:47,560
Speaker 1: you're not gonna be any more sheds off of it.

1380
01:09:48,920 --> 01:09:51,439
Speaker 1: So yeah, I just don't be an idiot. That's good.

1381
01:09:52,360 --> 01:09:55,479
Speaker 1: Don't be an idiot. Ship crazy. There you go. What's

1382
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,400
Speaker 1: you're done? Advice? Don't be don't be done, don't be

1383
01:09:58,400 --> 01:10:02,360
Speaker 1: an idiot. Yeah, well, good man, I appreciate the time.

1384
01:10:02,520 --> 01:10:03,920
Speaker 1: I have a lot. I have a lot more question

1385
01:10:03,960 --> 01:10:06,080
Speaker 1: about shed hunting than I thought I have, Yeah, because

1386
01:10:06,120 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: I've been experienced to it through the industry, but never um,

1387
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 1: I never thought too hard about it, to be quite honest, Yes,

1388
01:10:12,560 --> 01:10:14,519
Speaker 1: that happens. It's a thing man like when you get

1389
01:10:14,560 --> 01:10:18,479
Speaker 1: into it, it definitely becomes for me anyway. Obviously it

1390
01:10:18,600 --> 01:10:21,680
Speaker 1: came something I was super passionate about and started to

1391
01:10:21,720 --> 01:10:25,120
Speaker 1: eat into, even like real hunting. So well, if that's

1392
01:10:25,160 --> 01:10:27,160
Speaker 1: the case, we've already sucsessed how much we're into that.

1393
01:10:27,320 --> 01:10:30,000
Speaker 1: If that's the case, it must be. Yeah, it has

1394
01:10:30,040 --> 01:10:34,120
Speaker 1: an element of fun to it, I'm sure, the excitement. Yeah,

1395
01:10:34,280 --> 01:10:37,360
Speaker 1: I mean I can I love not that I would

1396
01:10:37,400 --> 01:10:40,560
Speaker 1: sell pounds of mushrooms, but like real mushroom hunting was

1397
01:10:40,640 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: huge for me when I was a kid. Yeah, it

1398
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:44,599
Speaker 1: seems the same way, like you're looking for a certain

1399
01:10:44,640 --> 01:10:47,519
Speaker 1: type sure, look at certain type of item laying around

1400
01:10:47,560 --> 01:10:49,800
Speaker 1: the woods. Yeah, it's a good excuse to be out

1401
01:10:49,840 --> 01:10:52,200
Speaker 1: there hiking to and get into no country. And yeah

1402
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,160
Speaker 1: it's an excellent tool for finding new places to hunt. Yeah.

1403
01:10:56,439 --> 01:10:59,240
Speaker 1: So well, is there any resources for the novice shed

1404
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:01,519
Speaker 1: hunter to go out like, other than following your stuff

1405
01:11:01,600 --> 01:11:04,880
Speaker 1: and from you? Is there like message boards places people

1406
01:11:04,920 --> 01:11:07,000
Speaker 1: can go to really learn? Social media is really good

1407
01:11:07,080 --> 01:11:09,360
Speaker 1: for that. Um, I have people, you know, asking questions

1408
01:11:09,360 --> 01:11:11,519
Speaker 1: all the time just in the comment sections things like that.

1409
01:11:11,600 --> 01:11:15,680
Speaker 1: There's some websites out there that offer like mapping systems. Um,

1410
01:11:17,040 --> 01:11:19,120
Speaker 1: I don't know. On X is good. This is a

1411
01:11:19,160 --> 01:11:21,080
Speaker 1: good tool. Scout to Hunt's a good tool. There's a

1412
01:11:21,120 --> 01:11:24,280
Speaker 1: few out there that people can use to find areas

1413
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:27,080
Speaker 1: where the animals would typically winner good starting points. But

1414
01:11:27,400 --> 01:11:29,160
Speaker 1: most of what you're gonna do is gonna put down

1415
01:11:29,160 --> 01:11:32,160
Speaker 1: a ton of miles and figure it out how many

1416
01:11:32,360 --> 01:11:35,640
Speaker 1: pounds of it? Antlers are probably tons of antlers you

1417
01:11:35,680 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 1: think are sold to China year A lot like, yeah,

1418
01:11:41,280 --> 01:11:45,479
Speaker 1: I'm trying to think, Like I just barely sold that's

1419
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:50,080
Speaker 1: pretty sold twelve pounds um, which was a very like

1420
01:11:50,120 --> 01:11:52,320
Speaker 1: a pretty small amount. I bought some of it and

1421
01:11:52,360 --> 01:11:55,640
Speaker 1: I found some of it, and I gotta think, how

1422
01:11:55,760 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: much is probably in a Yeah, I mean if that's

1423
01:11:59,240 --> 01:12:05,800
Speaker 1: or maybe yeah, I betounds in a container and just yeah,

1424
01:12:06,000 --> 01:12:09,280
Speaker 1: just it's crazy. It's a lot of it coming out

1425
01:12:09,320 --> 01:12:11,519
Speaker 1: in the US is a major supplier of it. Yeah.

1426
01:12:11,800 --> 01:12:14,320
Speaker 1: New Zealand they do to a lot of velvet stuff. Yeah,

1427
01:12:14,360 --> 01:12:16,559
Speaker 1: I've been I've been dying to get to New Zealand actually,

1428
01:12:16,640 --> 01:12:19,160
Speaker 1: Like I've wanted to just contact one of these people

1429
01:12:19,680 --> 01:12:22,000
Speaker 1: to have like a hunting ranch or offer hunts and

1430
01:12:22,040 --> 01:12:24,800
Speaker 1: just go shed hunting. Yeah, I think it'd be fine.

1431
01:12:24,880 --> 01:12:26,840
Speaker 1: Should do. It's super easy. I'll lookay up with some

1432
01:12:26,880 --> 01:12:28,880
Speaker 1: guys I know down there. Yeah, i'd be good. I

1433
01:12:28,920 --> 01:12:31,400
Speaker 1: wonder if you ever think about doing content following those

1434
01:12:31,400 --> 01:12:33,200
Speaker 1: antlers as they go, Not that you have to fly

1435
01:12:33,320 --> 01:12:35,880
Speaker 1: to China and see who's grinding them up, but did

1436
01:12:35,920 --> 01:12:39,640
Speaker 1: you ever think about because it's interesting to me, The

1437
01:12:39,880 --> 01:12:42,439
Speaker 1: entire picture is interesting to me of going out and

1438
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:45,559
Speaker 1: finding sheds, understanding the animal better, understanding the land better,

1439
01:12:45,920 --> 01:12:47,920
Speaker 1: finding the sheds, that's all kind of germane to what

1440
01:12:48,040 --> 01:12:51,960
Speaker 1: we do. But selling them to somebody in Asia. What

1441
01:12:52,040 --> 01:12:53,760
Speaker 1: are they doing with? What are they doing with? Yeah?

1442
01:12:53,880 --> 01:12:55,920
Speaker 1: What exactly are they doing? Like how does it think

1443
01:12:55,920 --> 01:12:59,519
Speaker 1: it's putting the shipping container and goes and then what happens? Yeah,

1444
01:12:59,760 --> 01:13:01,840
Speaker 1: be curious to know as well. I know they're ground

1445
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:04,200
Speaker 1: and and obviously they go through a process, but I

1446
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:06,400
Speaker 1: don't know where they end up. Yeah, maybe that's a

1447
01:13:06,400 --> 01:13:08,760
Speaker 1: shed crazy series. It could be I might find out

1448
01:13:08,800 --> 01:13:11,640
Speaker 1: some things I don't want to know about. Hey, you know,

1449
01:13:11,960 --> 01:13:15,400
Speaker 1: maybe maybe you'll find maybe they're like blood diamonds and

1450
01:13:15,439 --> 01:13:18,240
Speaker 1: there's horrible things going on over there over there. Maybe

1451
01:13:18,280 --> 01:13:20,360
Speaker 1: you'll be really cool. You'll meet some couple that got

1452
01:13:20,400 --> 01:13:23,880
Speaker 1: pregnant off you know, we have a family. Oh, God

1453
01:13:25,160 --> 01:13:30,479
Speaker 1: gets so many views and you need all our kids help. Yeah,

1454
01:13:30,560 --> 01:13:33,080
Speaker 1: maybe you'll find out some awesome things. Yeah, you never know.

1455
01:13:33,560 --> 01:13:35,960
Speaker 1: Tons of people over there that are just I don't

1456
01:13:35,960 --> 01:13:38,760
Speaker 1: know if they snorted or putting it pills. I'm well,

1457
01:13:38,800 --> 01:13:40,479
Speaker 1: I think that I don't know. That's kind of low

1458
01:13:40,520 --> 01:13:42,720
Speaker 1: on the totem pull of places. I'm gonna go explore yeah,

1459
01:13:43,520 --> 01:13:44,760
Speaker 1: I've got a lot of hunts to go on first.

1460
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:48,880
Speaker 1: If I run out of hunts, then you preserve. I've

1461
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:50,559
Speaker 1: been looking at a while. Panda hunt for a while,

1462
01:13:50,600 --> 01:13:52,200
Speaker 1: but you want a lot of keep money for him,

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Speaker 1: keep looking panda? Why don't panda? Why don't they want

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Speaker 1: to have sex? The pandas, I don't know. They're like

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Speaker 1: the world's laziest. Yeah, we're talking about right. They won't

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Speaker 1: do anything. Yeah, like I got in a panda cage

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Speaker 1: in China. I saw a video of it, and the

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Speaker 1: pan didn't even do anything like whenever like hug the guy.

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Speaker 1: Why will a grizzly bear is a panta bear on

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Speaker 1: our soup? Peopow? I don't know. This makes me sound stupid.

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I know they're not like a true bear. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well then where they like? I got it right in

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Speaker 1: anybody who uh, Obviously, if you're listening to this and

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Speaker 1: you're in Asia, you have panda knowledge and also knowledge

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Speaker 1: of the ground up shed antler market. Please rite in

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Speaker 1: yeah for those very obscure yes sections. Yeah, because we

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Speaker 1: get a few downloads and ajia every once in a while. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: there you go. The chances are somebody listen to this

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Speaker 1: and have antlers to antlers answers to all our antler questions.

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Speaker 1: But yeah, panda bears are terrible animals. The worst bear, right,

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Speaker 1: Grizzly bear would rip the ship out of a panda bear.

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Speaker 1: It wouldn't even be close. Yeah, we're talking about that.

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Speaker 1: It's like, yeah, that was go extinct. We're fine their perspective,

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Speaker 1: We're fine. I could have sex with this other panda bear,

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01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:03,519
Speaker 1: but pretty tired today. Yeah, I've had a long day.

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Speaker 1: I love it. They're like full vegetarian, like you can

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Speaker 1: go catch them food like, na, I'm sitting against this tree,

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01:15:10,040 --> 01:15:13,240
Speaker 1: leaves fall down, I catch him, and if you put

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01:15:13,240 --> 01:15:15,599
Speaker 1: another panda barre on top of me, we might probably

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01:15:15,640 --> 01:15:18,719
Speaker 1: not we might do it, but dude, you're probably gonna

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01:15:18,720 --> 01:15:21,800
Speaker 1: have to give me a sleeping pill or grind up,

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01:15:22,040 --> 01:15:24,760
Speaker 1: grind up an antler and maybe that's what they do

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01:15:24,840 --> 01:15:28,880
Speaker 1: with them. Full circle panda viagra circle. Well that's a

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01:15:28,920 --> 01:15:30,920
Speaker 1: good place to end it. That's as good as anywhere,

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01:15:30,920 --> 01:15:34,280
Speaker 1: I guess handa viagra. Well, thanks for coming on. It's

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Speaker 1: get shooting with the last couple of days. Get to

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01:15:35,920 --> 01:15:38,360
Speaker 1: know you and glad to have you in our world.

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Speaker 1: Naked fun of everybody makes fun of me would be

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Speaker 1: a privilege. We'll do Yeah, absolutely, all right, thanks fun

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Speaker 1: that's it. That is all. Episode number nineteen is in

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Speaker 1: the books. Thank you so much to my friend Ben

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01:15:55,320 --> 01:15:59,960
Speaker 1: coming on and hanging out creating what I would imagine

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01:16:00,040 --> 01:16:03,599
Speaker 1: the character of ship crazy. It's funny, dude. I laugh

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01:16:03,760 --> 01:16:08,640
Speaker 1: at that dude's Instagram once a day. He's great. Uh.

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Speaker 1: If you want to hear anything else from us, here

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Speaker 1: at the unt Collective checks out. We are at the

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Speaker 1: Unincollective dot com. We've got articles, videos, and of course

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Speaker 1: podcast there podcast from Steve Rinella, Remmy Warren, Ryan Callay

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Speaker 1: and John Dudley, Shane Mahoney, all remarkus, Fred Eichler, we

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Speaker 1: got a bunch of stuff there for you to listen

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Speaker 1: to and hopefully enjoy. So keep it writing in Please

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Speaker 1: please keep writing and keep emailing, keep sending me Instagram messages,

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Speaker 1: keep keep talking to me about this conversation that is

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Speaker 1: the Hunting Collective bringing new ideas to the table. I

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Speaker 1: really do appreciate it. And we will see you for

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Speaker 1: episode number twenty next Tuesday, hopefully a surprise guest talk

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Speaker 1: about public lands. We'll see if it happens, stay tuned

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Speaker 1: in a mist her and