1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:04,680 Speaker 1: From UFOs to psychic powers and government conspiracies. History is 2 00:00:04,760 --> 00:00:09,080 Speaker 1: riddled with unexplained events. You can turn back now or 3 00:00:09,200 --> 00:00:24,560 Speaker 1: learn the stuff they don't want you to know. M Hello, 4 00:00:24,600 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show. My name is Matt. Noel 5 00:00:27,560 --> 00:00:30,680 Speaker 1: is off on an adventure that we can't disclose yet, 6 00:00:31,240 --> 00:00:34,239 Speaker 1: but soon they called me Ben. We are joined with 7 00:00:34,280 --> 00:00:40,080 Speaker 1: our super producer, Paul Decant Paul Wilson Decade. Maybe is 8 00:00:40,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: that appropriate for this episode? Matt, you mean you're talking 9 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:47,040 Speaker 1: about the soccer ball? Yes? Most importantly, you are you 10 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:49,960 Speaker 1: and you are here, and that makes this stuff they 11 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,840 Speaker 1: don't want you to know. Today, we are diving into 12 00:00:54,920 --> 00:00:59,840 Speaker 1: something that Matt, you and I explore during our video series. Yes, 13 00:01:00,040 --> 00:01:03,240 Speaker 1: and it's I think our fifth most popular video that 14 00:01:03,320 --> 00:01:07,240 Speaker 1: we ever made. Really, Yes, almost a million dollar views 15 00:01:07,400 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 1: at this point. All these smokes still not going to 16 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:13,919 Speaker 1: beat that. Uh what about Satan? Yeah, Satan will always 17 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:16,480 Speaker 1: be at the top. And I'm kind of I feel 18 00:01:16,560 --> 00:01:20,319 Speaker 1: very fortunate for both of us that not that many 19 00:01:20,360 --> 00:01:25,200 Speaker 1: people watched the instructions on How to Get Away with Murder? Yes, 20 00:01:25,959 --> 00:01:29,120 Speaker 1: less than fifty I want to say great, but that's 21 00:01:29,160 --> 00:01:31,479 Speaker 1: still a lot of people. That's a lot of people, 22 00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:34,560 Speaker 1: and we do. We we do tell people not to 23 00:01:34,640 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: commit murder, right, we do. At some point in that one, 24 00:01:37,520 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: we can take it down. Do you want me to 25 00:01:38,880 --> 00:01:43,840 Speaker 1: take it down? I know, you know. I I feel 26 00:01:43,880 --> 00:01:47,880 Speaker 1: like we did a good job, is the thing? Okay, 27 00:01:48,400 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 1: a moral notions aside. It does feel like we did 28 00:01:52,120 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: a good job. But yes, we did a video on 29 00:01:56,320 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: North Sentinel Island several years ago, more years than I think. Well, 30 00:02:03,080 --> 00:02:04,800 Speaker 1: you probably don't, Matt. When do we do that one? 31 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,320 Speaker 1: I believe it has been a minute since I looked 32 00:02:08,360 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: at it. It's been a while. Uh So, North Sentinel 33 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:15,960 Speaker 1: Island has a mystery to it, and if you have 34 00:02:16,200 --> 00:02:20,680 Speaker 1: seen our earlier video, you might have an inkling about 35 00:02:20,720 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 1: what we're going to dive into today. But to get 36 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:30,600 Speaker 1: to this mystery, we have to first explore human beings. 37 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,680 Speaker 1: Oh that sounds good. Yeah, that's great. Human beings are 38 00:02:33,720 --> 00:02:38,080 Speaker 1: a species that loves to talk about itself. And that's us, 39 00:02:38,120 --> 00:02:42,520 Speaker 1: that's you, that's you doo uh and yes, specifically you. 40 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:47,880 Speaker 1: So human beings. Our species exist to some degree on 41 00:02:48,040 --> 00:02:51,240 Speaker 1: every continent, which is insane when you think about it. 42 00:02:51,600 --> 00:02:56,000 Speaker 1: Our tremendous ability to adapt to inhospitable environments has spread 43 00:02:56,160 --> 00:03:00,239 Speaker 1: us across the planet, and the modern age, technological breaks 44 00:03:00,280 --> 00:03:05,840 Speaker 1: allow us to communicate instantaneously regardless of our physical location. 45 00:03:06,160 --> 00:03:08,840 Speaker 1: I mean, just just think of all the podcasts that 46 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:12,320 Speaker 1: have Like you and I prefer to hang out in 47 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:16,320 Speaker 1: person in the room, but there are many very successful, 48 00:03:16,440 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: very fascinating podcast with hosts that rarely see each other 49 00:03:20,680 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: in person, much like stuff you missed in history class. Yeah, 50 00:03:24,680 --> 00:03:27,800 Speaker 1: that's that's actually I'm surprised I didn't think about that. Yeah, 51 00:03:28,000 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: one of our host is based in Atlanta on that show, 52 00:03:30,280 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: and the other in Boston, and they can communicate pretty 53 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:37,480 Speaker 1: much instantaneous. Sounds like they're having a conversation in the room. 54 00:03:37,480 --> 00:03:38,760 Speaker 1: And one more thing I just want to add here 55 00:03:38,840 --> 00:03:42,160 Speaker 1: we're talking about the humans us living on all these continents, 56 00:03:42,160 --> 00:03:45,160 Speaker 1: we also live on islands that aren't considered a continent 57 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:49,520 Speaker 1: all over the planet. That's true. That's true, and even 58 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:55,560 Speaker 1: in those spaces people can communicate thanks to technology. Modernity, 59 00:03:55,640 --> 00:04:02,280 Speaker 1: it seems, is contagious. But here's the fascinating and somewhat 60 00:04:02,320 --> 00:04:07,920 Speaker 1: disturbing thing. As we've spread farther and farther, some groups 61 00:04:07,920 --> 00:04:13,360 Speaker 1: of humans also became isolated those geographical boundaries bedeviled us, 62 00:04:13,600 --> 00:04:19,359 Speaker 1: impassable mountains, shifting ice, dense dangerous jungles, rising seas, and 63 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: treacherous currents to your point about islands, right, all all 64 00:04:22,880 --> 00:04:25,560 Speaker 1: played a role in keeping some groups of human beings 65 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: hidden from the progress and the curses of global society. 66 00:04:29,680 --> 00:04:32,600 Speaker 1: And you know, we've all, like you've heard these stories, 67 00:04:32,800 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 1: right we even without thinking of a specific one. We've 68 00:04:35,600 --> 00:04:39,680 Speaker 1: all heard the stories wherein some intrepid explorer encounters a 69 00:04:39,760 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 1: tribe of people who had no knowledge of the outside world. Right. 70 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:50,400 Speaker 1: I remember thinking that these were relatively I don't know, 71 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:54,080 Speaker 1: fictionalized things growing up, like fair not I don't want 72 00:04:54,080 --> 00:04:58,280 Speaker 1: to say fairy tales, but fictional adventure stories. Yes. There, 73 00:04:59,240 --> 00:05:04,960 Speaker 1: They're depicted in film and in um books all over 74 00:05:05,000 --> 00:05:09,919 Speaker 1: the place, various fictional ones and nonfictional encounters of this sort. 75 00:05:10,200 --> 00:05:13,080 Speaker 1: And the I think that line gets blurred a little 76 00:05:13,080 --> 00:05:15,800 Speaker 1: bit in our in our popular culture of what what 77 00:05:15,839 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: a real encounter looks like, in what a u a 78 00:05:19,520 --> 00:05:22,320 Speaker 1: played up one looks like for the screen. Right, That's 79 00:05:22,320 --> 00:05:26,200 Speaker 1: a very important point in the modern age. It seems 80 00:05:26,240 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: like these events and encounters, whether they were truthful, whether 81 00:05:29,760 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 1: they were fiction, or whether they were a blend of 82 00:05:33,040 --> 00:05:36,200 Speaker 1: the two, usually to make someone from the West feel 83 00:05:36,240 --> 00:05:40,160 Speaker 1: more important about themselves or less like they were colonizers 84 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:46,480 Speaker 1: or less like they were colonizers. That's true regardless. Nowadays, 85 00:05:46,800 --> 00:05:49,720 Speaker 1: it seems like most of these events are encounters are 86 00:05:49,760 --> 00:05:55,920 Speaker 1: going to be relegated to history books. In short, everyone 87 00:05:56,080 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 1: has met everyone or is aware of everyone, right, we 88 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:04,320 Speaker 1: all get it. Everyone is at least aware enough that 89 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:08,000 Speaker 1: there's an outside world. Like a tribe, most most tribes 90 00:06:08,040 --> 00:06:11,479 Speaker 1: of isolated people are aware that there's an outside world 91 00:06:11,520 --> 00:06:14,360 Speaker 1: with some technology in it. Right. And it is sadly 92 00:06:14,400 --> 00:06:19,920 Speaker 1: true that there are many countries that people in other 93 00:06:19,920 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 1: countries aren't very much aware of, you know, like you've seen, 94 00:06:23,960 --> 00:06:30,520 Speaker 1: especially European media gives people in the US a real 95 00:06:30,680 --> 00:06:32,479 Speaker 1: devil of a time with this. And you can see 96 00:06:32,560 --> 00:06:37,560 Speaker 1: numerous YouTube compilations of Americans being asked to point to 97 00:06:37,600 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: a country on the map on the world map and 98 00:06:40,240 --> 00:06:45,799 Speaker 1: getting it cartoonistally wrong. That's a little bit of a stereotype. Well, 99 00:06:45,880 --> 00:06:48,760 Speaker 1: I promised, people are I promised the editors are cherry 100 00:06:48,800 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: picking that for all our non American listeners. We certainly hope, 101 00:06:53,160 --> 00:06:57,160 Speaker 1: so we certainly hope so. And regardless of how hilarious 102 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,880 Speaker 1: those videos might be. Matt, your point, I would say, 103 00:06:59,880 --> 00:07:03,279 Speaker 1: is absolutely correct. We are aware of the other We 104 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:07,080 Speaker 1: are aware that it exists. There will be a you know, 105 00:07:07,160 --> 00:07:09,840 Speaker 1: the majority of people who live in China will probably 106 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:13,000 Speaker 1: never travel to the States, and the majority of people 107 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,480 Speaker 1: who live in the States will probably never travel to China. 108 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:20,280 Speaker 1: But both are aware that the other country exists and 109 00:07:20,400 --> 00:07:23,640 Speaker 1: is a real thing. Thank you television and Internet. Thank 110 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:28,600 Speaker 1: you television and to add books. Yes, uh, in a 111 00:07:28,680 --> 00:07:34,920 Speaker 1: world though, where everything is rapidly urbanizing, right, I think 112 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 1: it was what while you and I were first working together, 113 00:07:38,480 --> 00:07:41,040 Speaker 1: the shift occurred in the majority of human beings began 114 00:07:41,080 --> 00:07:43,880 Speaker 1: to live in cities. Yes, we've been working together for 115 00:07:43,880 --> 00:07:48,120 Speaker 1: a long time, and it sounds like around that's when 116 00:07:48,160 --> 00:07:54,760 Speaker 1: we we went past market. Yeah, by of the world's 117 00:07:54,800 --> 00:08:00,120 Speaker 1: population lived in an urban area. And that shift is 118 00:08:00,160 --> 00:08:04,200 Speaker 1: pretty crazy, right, pretty recent too. Yeah, it's it's definitely 119 00:08:04,360 --> 00:08:09,840 Speaker 1: um a condensing of humanity into these places that, for 120 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,120 Speaker 1: better or for worse, do really well for various economies 121 00:08:14,240 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: and for populations, but not so great in a lot 122 00:08:18,160 --> 00:08:21,960 Speaker 1: of other ways. You know, pollution, crime, you know, a 123 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,840 Speaker 1: lot of those things right right exactly, And in this 124 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:32,840 Speaker 1: in this world where there are increasingly fewer isolated populations 125 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:39,920 Speaker 1: and a larger number of densely let's say, densely combined populations, 126 00:08:40,120 --> 00:08:44,960 Speaker 1: we can understand why people would think there there are 127 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:49,040 Speaker 1: no more uncontacted tribes. There are. Many people say that's 128 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:54,480 Speaker 1: a myth because so many anthropologists of the past and 129 00:08:54,559 --> 00:08:57,880 Speaker 1: days of yore wanted to be the first outsider to 130 00:08:58,040 --> 00:09:02,360 Speaker 1: encounter some group. That probably that has happened, right, But 131 00:09:02,600 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 1: a a hard definition of an uncontacted tribe, as in 132 00:09:06,440 --> 00:09:10,000 Speaker 1: someone who's some group that has never seen nor, as 133 00:09:10,040 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: they say in Tennessee, heard tell of any other group. 134 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:19,880 Speaker 1: The odds of that still existing are are preposterously low, right, yeah. 135 00:09:19,920 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: And I think a lot of that has to do 136 00:09:21,320 --> 00:09:24,480 Speaker 1: with something as simple as Google Maps, where you can 137 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: you can open it up and you can see every island. 138 00:09:28,520 --> 00:09:30,960 Speaker 1: Because we have the satellite imagery, we know that that 139 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:34,400 Speaker 1: island exists there, but wherever it is as isolated as 140 00:09:34,440 --> 00:09:37,960 Speaker 1: it is, that island exists here in this program. So 141 00:09:38,000 --> 00:09:41,360 Speaker 1: obviously somebody's been there, right, that's the assumption at least, 142 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,760 Speaker 1: or you could go there. So why why wouldn't have 143 00:09:44,800 --> 00:09:49,000 Speaker 1: someone gone there already. Right, and then there's that related point. 144 00:09:50,960 --> 00:09:54,280 Speaker 1: Maybe there are any uncontacted tribes, but maybe the human 145 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 1: experiment has grown so large that there aren't even any 146 00:09:58,960 --> 00:10:03,080 Speaker 1: really isolated tribes anymore. Yeah, right, that's the assumption. That's 147 00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: a safe assumption. But the problem is that could not 148 00:10:05,400 --> 00:10:10,040 Speaker 1: be further from the truth. Today's episode concerns a particular 149 00:10:10,080 --> 00:10:13,040 Speaker 1: community that you may not have heard of on a 150 00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 1: tiny island off the coast of India, one that is 151 00:10:17,559 --> 00:10:22,120 Speaker 1: lost to time again. It's called North Sentinel Island. It's 152 00:10:22,160 --> 00:10:27,120 Speaker 1: relatively tiny. It's just seventy two square kilometers that's square 153 00:10:27,160 --> 00:10:30,920 Speaker 1: miles um. And it's well that's before the two four earthquake. 154 00:10:30,960 --> 00:10:37,719 Speaker 1: Because the the landmass changed slightly, they're expanded and it's 155 00:10:37,720 --> 00:10:40,679 Speaker 1: a part of the Andaman Archipelago. This is a grouping 156 00:10:40,800 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 1: of the Endeman and Nicobar Islands. It's located at the 157 00:10:43,559 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: crux of the Bay of Bengal and the Andaman Sea. Now, 158 00:10:47,559 --> 00:10:49,520 Speaker 1: just we're gonna give you some degrees here so you 159 00:10:49,520 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 1: can find it on your globe if you've got one handy. 160 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,640 Speaker 1: There between six degrees and fourteen degrees north latitude and 161 00:10:55,840 --> 00:11:00,560 Speaker 1: ninety two degrees and ninety four degrees east longitude. Now 162 00:11:00,600 --> 00:11:04,880 Speaker 1: that's four hundred kilometers from mainland India on one side, 163 00:11:05,000 --> 00:11:07,720 Speaker 1: that's like a hundred and seventy miles, and then a 164 00:11:07,760 --> 00:11:12,680 Speaker 1: thousand kilometers from Thailand, and that is about six hundred 165 00:11:12,720 --> 00:11:15,760 Speaker 1: and twenty one miles, so it's kind of in the 166 00:11:15,800 --> 00:11:18,520 Speaker 1: center of those. Basically, if you zoom out far enough 167 00:11:18,520 --> 00:11:20,840 Speaker 1: on Google on Google Maps, and you draw a line 168 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,480 Speaker 1: between the center of in this case, I'm using Sri 169 00:11:23,559 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 1: Lanka because it's like the island at the bottom of 170 00:11:25,880 --> 00:11:29,600 Speaker 1: India there and to the center of Thailand, this will 171 00:11:29,640 --> 00:11:32,000 Speaker 1: be located pretty close to the center of that line. 172 00:11:32,760 --> 00:11:35,440 Speaker 1: Just if you're looking at Google Maps or something, and 173 00:11:35,520 --> 00:11:39,720 Speaker 1: it's in these these two sets of islands, the Andaman 174 00:11:39,840 --> 00:11:41,960 Speaker 1: and the Nicobar Islands. It's it's some of the most 175 00:11:42,000 --> 00:11:46,600 Speaker 1: remote spots on the entire planet. Yes, some of the 176 00:11:46,679 --> 00:11:51,360 Speaker 1: islands around this area are referred to in one of 177 00:11:51,480 --> 00:11:56,360 Speaker 1: my absolute favorite books in the world, The Atlas of 178 00:11:56,559 --> 00:12:00,440 Speaker 1: Remote Islands. I highly recommend you check it out if 179 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:05,599 Speaker 1: you are interested in exploration and remote locations. It's a 180 00:12:05,600 --> 00:12:09,480 Speaker 1: great book. But enough about that book. Uh, the islands 181 00:12:09,520 --> 00:12:12,439 Speaker 1: just on their own, there are what nearly six hundred 182 00:12:12,480 --> 00:12:18,680 Speaker 1: and only nine are open to foreign tourists, very very 183 00:12:18,800 --> 00:12:23,120 Speaker 1: rural locations in in addition to being very remote. But 184 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: but they are open to tourism. Those nine, those that 185 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:28,640 Speaker 1: those come into play in the rest of our story. Yeah, 186 00:12:28,720 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: they're very much open to tourism. Uh, locals be damned, honestly. 187 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:39,079 Speaker 1: And you might say, well, who owns this guys, I'm 188 00:12:39,679 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 1: I'm pretty good at pointing to countries on the map. 189 00:12:42,200 --> 00:12:44,520 Speaker 1: And I've never heard of a country called the Andaman 190 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 1: and Nicobar Islands. No worries trick question. There is no country. 191 00:12:51,080 --> 00:12:55,439 Speaker 1: It is a territory of India and it is controlled 192 00:12:55,480 --> 00:13:00,680 Speaker 1: by India's generally speakings composed these two islands. And think 193 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:05,440 Speaker 1: about it in terms of latitude. So any of the 194 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:10,600 Speaker 1: islands located north of ten degrees latitude are known as 195 00:13:10,720 --> 00:13:15,120 Speaker 1: Andaman Islands, while islands located south of that latitude are 196 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:20,840 Speaker 1: called Nicobar Islands. Enough, that's pretty easy. Nominally, these territories 197 00:13:21,000 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 1: and the island we're talking about today, North Sentinel Island, 198 00:13:25,080 --> 00:13:29,480 Speaker 1: belong in the South and Men Administrative District, which is 199 00:13:29,480 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 1: again part of this Indian territory. The nearby South Sentinel 200 00:13:34,440 --> 00:13:41,800 Speaker 1: Island is uninhabited. It occasionally receives visitors, mostly adventurous divers 201 00:13:41,840 --> 00:13:45,360 Speaker 1: who were like the Alberto, lets go where no one 202 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:52,000 Speaker 1: les like Overbend. I'm sure they don't sound like that, 203 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:54,920 Speaker 1: and I'm sure they sound exactly like well, people who 204 00:13:55,080 --> 00:13:59,240 Speaker 1: people who want to adventure. No one lives there. And 205 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:03,239 Speaker 1: here's the thing. Though, the Government of India legally possesses 206 00:14:03,320 --> 00:14:06,920 Speaker 1: both North and South Centinel Island and again all of 207 00:14:06,960 --> 00:14:09,920 Speaker 1: the and amens all of the Nicobar Islands. They do 208 00:14:10,000 --> 00:14:17,040 Speaker 1: not have any installations, no government, no scheduled route of 209 00:14:17,080 --> 00:14:21,320 Speaker 1: transportation to visit the area. People can visit South Centinel 210 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:25,040 Speaker 1: Island and often probably sneak there just to dive for 211 00:14:25,080 --> 00:14:28,240 Speaker 1: a day or something like going without a lifeguard basically right, 212 00:14:29,360 --> 00:14:32,600 Speaker 1: But all the ships in the nearby area and all 213 00:14:32,640 --> 00:14:39,000 Speaker 1: the plains are banned from approaching North Sentinel Island through 214 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:44,600 Speaker 1: the use of a three mile exclusion zone. Because you see, 215 00:14:44,960 --> 00:14:51,080 Speaker 1: unlike South Centinel Island, North Sentinel Island is inhabited. But 216 00:14:51,360 --> 00:14:55,080 Speaker 1: by who, you might ask, Well, we'll tell you right 217 00:14:55,080 --> 00:15:03,360 Speaker 1: after a quick word from our sponsor. Here's where it 218 00:15:03,480 --> 00:15:08,680 Speaker 1: gets crazy. The answer to your question, Matt, they posed 219 00:15:08,680 --> 00:15:13,640 Speaker 1: before the break is we don't really know the residents 220 00:15:13,680 --> 00:15:17,640 Speaker 1: of North Centinel Island. The Centinel Ees are one of 221 00:15:17,680 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: the most mysterious populations on the planet, and there aren't 222 00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,680 Speaker 1: many of them. Estimates range from as few as fifty 223 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:29,560 Speaker 1: people to maybe as many as four hundred. The last 224 00:15:29,760 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 1: census that the Indian government conducted that touched upon that 225 00:15:33,920 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: area only found fifteen people, I think three women and 226 00:15:39,600 --> 00:15:44,360 Speaker 1: twelve men. But yeah, that that's something we're gonna see 227 00:15:44,360 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 1: here as we get into the story of the people 228 00:15:47,080 --> 00:15:50,400 Speaker 1: that you find when you're searching for people on North 229 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:54,120 Speaker 1: Centinel Island generally aren't the all of the people that 230 00:15:54,200 --> 00:15:57,440 Speaker 1: are on the island, right, because you see when they 231 00:15:57,480 --> 00:16:00,960 Speaker 1: conducted that most recent senses, the way they conducted it 232 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:04,320 Speaker 1: was by taking a boat, by getting special permission to 233 00:16:04,400 --> 00:16:08,640 Speaker 1: go inside the inclusion the exclusion zone, and then trying 234 00:16:08,720 --> 00:16:10,680 Speaker 1: to get close enough to see if there was anyone 235 00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: on the shore, and then immediately high tailing it out 236 00:16:13,800 --> 00:16:16,680 Speaker 1: post haste. And there's a reason for that. They are 237 00:16:17,040 --> 00:16:23,560 Speaker 1: violently opposed to outside contact of any kind. This behavior 238 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:30,000 Speaker 1: has been universally consistent for thousands of years they've resided 239 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:33,440 Speaker 1: on this island, This population living in much the same 240 00:16:33,520 --> 00:16:37,360 Speaker 1: manner as their ancestors from millennia, and from what we 241 00:16:37,440 --> 00:16:42,400 Speaker 1: can guess, the Sentinel East people practice traditional hunting and 242 00:16:42,480 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: gathering with no I mean, I think it's a leap 243 00:16:46,720 --> 00:16:50,040 Speaker 1: to say no knowledge of agriculture but no practice of it. Yeah, 244 00:16:50,040 --> 00:16:53,480 Speaker 1: there there's no evidence of agriculture that's been seen in 245 00:16:53,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 1: the few times that people have actually gotten close enough 246 00:16:56,280 --> 00:17:01,520 Speaker 1: to check it out. Um. Their diet consists of mostly fruits, plants, 247 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,000 Speaker 1: stuff that's found on the island, coconuts, forest plants. Uh, 248 00:17:05,160 --> 00:17:08,000 Speaker 1: sometimes they will. They've been known to eat sea turtles, fish, 249 00:17:08,080 --> 00:17:11,879 Speaker 1: some small birds, and wild honey. And some researchers compare 250 00:17:11,920 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: the Sentinel Ease to the on Gay tribe, which is 251 00:17:14,400 --> 00:17:18,800 Speaker 1: another tribe that's on the Enemonese Islands, that they're indigenous 252 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 1: peoples to one of the other islands. And we should 253 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 1: just say here that the Sentinel Leads that name is 254 00:17:23,680 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: a name given to them. If you were ever to 255 00:17:26,520 --> 00:17:29,600 Speaker 1: speak with one and could speak with someone of you know, 256 00:17:29,840 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 1: the North Sentinel Island, they would not call themselves that 257 00:17:34,560 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 1: right exactly this This culture has several barriers to communication, yes, 258 00:17:41,840 --> 00:17:45,640 Speaker 1: and we'll get to these, but they are an excellent 259 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:51,119 Speaker 1: example of the one of the closest analogs that we 260 00:17:51,240 --> 00:17:54,760 Speaker 1: have to this population, at least we being the part 261 00:17:54,760 --> 00:17:57,480 Speaker 1: of the species that doesn't live on this island, we 262 00:17:57,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: who are forced to guess. So, like the Sentinels, they 263 00:18:04,560 --> 00:18:09,000 Speaker 1: were a hundred gatherers living out an ancient tradition, ancient 264 00:18:09,160 --> 00:18:14,480 Speaker 1: set of subsistence practices right that date back, by the 265 00:18:14,520 --> 00:18:20,640 Speaker 1: way to some of the earliest human civilization practices that 266 00:18:20,720 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: we know of today. So these are doing these people 267 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:28,240 Speaker 1: are doing some of the first things that people did. 268 00:18:28,520 --> 00:18:35,360 Speaker 1: Still well, the Sentinel Ease, we suspect yes, yes, because 269 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:39,760 Speaker 1: unlike the Sentinel Ease, the young gay were somewhat assimilated 270 00:18:40,200 --> 00:18:43,520 Speaker 1: to their detriment. In nineteen o one, the population was 271 00:18:43,600 --> 00:18:49,840 Speaker 1: registered at six hundred and seventy two. After colonization, there 272 00:18:49,880 --> 00:18:53,320 Speaker 1: were fewer than a hundred left. Ultimately, like the number 273 00:18:53,400 --> 00:18:55,440 Speaker 1: kept going down in the fifties, it was only a 274 00:18:55,520 --> 00:18:58,040 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty or so, and this was due to 275 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:03,000 Speaker 1: the brutal acts of the Calling Nightser's also unanticipated factors 276 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:06,439 Speaker 1: like exposure to non native diseases, which is one of 277 00:19:06,440 --> 00:19:10,240 Speaker 1: the biggest problems right right, right, It's one of the 278 00:19:10,280 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 1: problems with when Europeans came to the North and South 279 00:19:14,760 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: American continents, the same things occurred for them. It wasn't 280 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:21,560 Speaker 1: a problem, it was a right. Yeah, well, I'm saying 281 00:19:21,560 --> 00:19:24,280 Speaker 1: for the native populations at the time it was it 282 00:19:24,359 --> 00:19:28,359 Speaker 1: was a horrific thing. And there's something else here that 283 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:36,840 Speaker 1: on a personal level mystifies and disturbs me. And it 284 00:19:36,920 --> 00:19:41,760 Speaker 1: does it. It disturbs me because I can't explain why 285 00:19:41,800 --> 00:19:45,240 Speaker 1: it's happening, and I don't understand, and I don't think 286 00:19:45,280 --> 00:19:48,679 Speaker 1: that there's any technology that people would have had to 287 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:52,280 Speaker 1: do this on purpose. There's something deeper at play. Well, anyway, 288 00:19:52,320 --> 00:19:56,280 Speaker 1: I'm too much preface here. Here's what's happening today. The 289 00:19:56,280 --> 00:19:59,240 Speaker 1: younger is still around, but a major cause of the 290 00:19:59,320 --> 00:20:04,280 Speaker 1: decline in population is both the changes in food habits 291 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 1: brought about by contact with the outside world. But here's 292 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:11,639 Speaker 1: the scary thing. Nowadays they're one of the least fertile 293 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:16,639 Speaker 1: and most sterile communities on the planet. About of married 294 00:20:16,640 --> 00:20:20,680 Speaker 1: couples or sterile on Gay women rarely become pregnant before 295 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:24,480 Speaker 1: the age of infant, and child mortality is in the 296 00:20:24,600 --> 00:20:30,080 Speaker 1: range of now we could explain we we could explain 297 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:34,359 Speaker 1: infinite and child mortality due to you know, quality of 298 00:20:34,400 --> 00:20:36,639 Speaker 1: life right for the family and for the mother, for 299 00:20:36,680 --> 00:20:40,960 Speaker 1: the kid, so on. But the idea that an entire 300 00:20:41,119 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: population without you know, some clear environmental cause just starts 301 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:51,360 Speaker 1: to dwindle that way. Yeah, I don't like that at all. 302 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:57,439 Speaker 1: It's frightening. It's it's not it's not something that I 303 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: can explain. I would welcome anybody to write to us 304 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 1: and let us know. You know, is there some epigenetic 305 00:21:04,240 --> 00:21:09,240 Speaker 1: factor at play. Did the community decide not to have children, 306 00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:12,119 Speaker 1: or is there some kind of outside force that's acting 307 00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:15,800 Speaker 1: on them in some way, clinical exposure of some sort 308 00:21:15,880 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 1: that they're unaware of, like forced sterilization, which many governments 309 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,639 Speaker 1: have done, which would yeah, which would be explicable at 310 00:21:24,680 --> 00:21:29,240 Speaker 1: least that's a mundane cause. That's less scary than some 311 00:21:29,280 --> 00:21:36,280 Speaker 1: sort of switch turning, you know what I mean. So also, 312 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:44,639 Speaker 1: the on Game have been victims of sexual exploitation and alcoholism, 313 00:21:44,920 --> 00:21:50,159 Speaker 1: forced labor, all the all the terrible and expected things 314 00:21:50,200 --> 00:21:53,800 Speaker 1: that happen often to these tribes. So there may be 315 00:21:53,880 --> 00:21:57,080 Speaker 1: a lesson for us to learn with the sentinel ease 316 00:21:58,240 --> 00:22:02,680 Speaker 1: through the perspective of the On Gay observers have compared 317 00:22:02,720 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: the Sentinelies community to communities that existed in the Stone Age. 318 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:11,480 Speaker 1: They make weapons, they make tools. Uh, they're pretty badass 319 00:22:11,520 --> 00:22:16,080 Speaker 1: with bows and arrows. It's like three something feet they 320 00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:20,159 Speaker 1: can get you with an arrow. Yeah, yeah, four hundred 321 00:22:20,200 --> 00:22:23,679 Speaker 1: I think. Uh. They do not appear to make fire, 322 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,240 Speaker 1: at least again from what we can observe. And their 323 00:22:27,320 --> 00:22:33,920 Speaker 1: language is unclassified, meaning it's unintelligible even to tribal communities 324 00:22:34,000 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 1: from close by islands. Like they brought an on gay 325 00:22:37,440 --> 00:22:41,920 Speaker 1: person there to attempt to speak with them, but they 326 00:22:41,960 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: either couldn't get close enough to understand the shouting because 327 00:22:46,040 --> 00:22:50,800 Speaker 1: of all the arrows, or they simply have been the 328 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:55,639 Speaker 1: Sentinelies simply have been isolated for so long again for 329 00:22:55,840 --> 00:22:59,600 Speaker 1: thousands of years, and their language has become its own 330 00:22:59,760 --> 00:23:05,800 Speaker 1: un intelligible thing. Yeah, that's that. That is incredible because 331 00:23:05,880 --> 00:23:10,879 Speaker 1: that certainly doesn't happen. That's one of the least uh 332 00:23:11,040 --> 00:23:14,359 Speaker 1: regularly occurring things to have in a language that is 333 00:23:15,359 --> 00:23:22,359 Speaker 1: so isolated. That's incredible. Now, prior to to the European encroachment, 334 00:23:22,800 --> 00:23:25,600 Speaker 1: well that's what we're going to call it. There, Um, 335 00:23:25,600 --> 00:23:28,720 Speaker 1: there were ancient traditions by the tribes people who lived 336 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: around North Centinel Island that the people on North Centinel 337 00:23:31,640 --> 00:23:36,000 Speaker 1: Island were cannibals, the only gay they They apparently were 338 00:23:36,080 --> 00:23:38,320 Speaker 1: aware of North Centinel Islands for some time, but the 339 00:23:38,359 --> 00:23:43,680 Speaker 1: first European report didn't actually occur until seventeen seventy one, 340 00:23:44,600 --> 00:23:48,200 Speaker 1: which isn't that long ago, just before the United States 341 00:23:48,200 --> 00:23:51,439 Speaker 1: became a thing. That's true, Matt, I didn't think of 342 00:23:51,440 --> 00:23:55,119 Speaker 1: it in that perspective. Yeah. This British surveyor named John 343 00:23:55,280 --> 00:24:00,720 Speaker 1: Ritchie passed the island on a ship called the Diligent. Uh. 344 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,360 Speaker 1: The Diligent was a hydrographic survey vessel owned by the 345 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,520 Speaker 1: East India Company. Paul, can we get a spooky sound 346 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:12,520 Speaker 1: effect when we say East India Company? Just booze? Just 347 00:24:12,640 --> 00:24:20,239 Speaker 1: put put some booze in there, perfect, that's appropriate. Yeah. 348 00:24:20,600 --> 00:24:24,720 Speaker 1: So Richie made one note where he essentially said he 349 00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:27,800 Speaker 1: saw a multitude of lights. We don't know if this 350 00:24:27,880 --> 00:24:32,800 Speaker 1: means fires, but he saw it from a distance. He 351 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,439 Speaker 1: made a short note about it. The boat continued on 352 00:24:35,840 --> 00:24:38,560 Speaker 1: and no one in the West would make any sort 353 00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: of reference to this island for another hundred years. It's 354 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:44,959 Speaker 1: just the one guy was like, oh whoa, look at that. 355 00:24:44,960 --> 00:24:50,679 Speaker 1: That's a that's not water, that's definitely an island. So 356 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 1: we fast forward to March eighteen sixty seven, and that's 357 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:57,760 Speaker 1: when Jeremiah Humphrey, he's the officer in charge of the 358 00:24:57,840 --> 00:25:00,760 Speaker 1: and Amonese, he journeyed to North s Little Island on 359 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:04,040 Speaker 1: the trail of some convicts who escaped from this penal 360 00:25:04,080 --> 00:25:08,639 Speaker 1: colony that was there called Port Blair. And Okay, so 361 00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:12,240 Speaker 1: he he's approaching the island, he's escorted by police and 362 00:25:12,920 --> 00:25:16,840 Speaker 1: what they're called Great and Amnese, and these are tribes 363 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: people from like again, kind of like what we were 364 00:25:19,520 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 1: discussing before, a different tribe, but I guess similar enough 365 00:25:24,160 --> 00:25:29,840 Speaker 1: to where perhaps there could be communication. He saw some 366 00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:33,600 Speaker 1: ten men on the beach, naked, long haired, with bows 367 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,520 Speaker 1: and arrows, shooting fish, and apparently the Sentineli's spot of 368 00:25:39,560 --> 00:25:42,720 Speaker 1: the boat and they hid, and the Great and Amnees 369 00:25:42,800 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 1: on board were visibly frightened and warned Mphrey, the leader here, 370 00:25:47,920 --> 00:25:52,640 Speaker 1: that the islanders had a reputation for cannibalism, and Humphrey said, yep, 371 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,720 Speaker 1: I'm not going there. He never actually landed, yeah, which 372 00:25:56,760 --> 00:26:01,240 Speaker 1: was surprisingly smart of him, right to listen to the 373 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,720 Speaker 1: experts in the area. He did have a police escort 374 00:26:04,800 --> 00:26:07,679 Speaker 1: with him, so it is fascinating that he didn't. But 375 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,080 Speaker 1: I guess maybe he just wasn't he wasn't confident enough 376 00:26:12,080 --> 00:26:14,199 Speaker 1: in the people there with him. Sure, I don't know. 377 00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:19,639 Speaker 1: We'll also notice that at this point, despite this reputation 378 00:26:20,800 --> 00:26:27,000 Speaker 1: I'm sure it's largely exaggerated for cannibalism, the Sentinel Ease 379 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:31,800 Speaker 1: are hiding, their avoiding and evading right there, not confronting. 380 00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:36,400 Speaker 1: And then also there's a note here they're described as 381 00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 1: long haired by m. Free But when you see footage 382 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:46,280 Speaker 1: of the Centinel Ease people today, there are no long 383 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: haired people. There's just a little bit of footage, And 384 00:26:48,960 --> 00:26:52,920 Speaker 1: you're right, so interesting because it seems as though things 385 00:26:52,960 --> 00:26:57,400 Speaker 1: are changing. In that same year again, eighteen sixty seven, UH, 386 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:00,639 Speaker 1: an Indian merchant ship called the nineveh was surrect on 387 00:27:00,720 --> 00:27:03,879 Speaker 1: the reef surrounding the shore, and their captain was a 388 00:27:03,880 --> 00:27:08,440 Speaker 1: real piece of work. So eighty six passengers survived, twenty 389 00:27:08,480 --> 00:27:12,000 Speaker 1: crew members survived. They make it. They crash on that 390 00:27:12,040 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 1: reef surrounding the island. These are also very treacherous waters 391 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:22,840 Speaker 1: and boom celebration time. UH. They survived these what one 392 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:27,040 Speaker 1: and six people survived. On the third day, the native population, 393 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: which had been completely in hiding, attacks the captain. His 394 00:27:32,400 --> 00:27:37,200 Speaker 1: strategy is to take the ship's lifeboat and run away, yeah, 395 00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 1: to get picked up by some other ship that's coming 396 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:44,160 Speaker 1: by the passing brig And then a Royal Navy ship 397 00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:48,320 Speaker 1: came to rescue the remaining survivors who had held the 398 00:27:48,400 --> 00:27:51,919 Speaker 1: natives off by for several days by throwing stones and 399 00:27:51,960 --> 00:27:56,639 Speaker 1: brandishing sticks. And again this is a story that gets around, 400 00:27:57,440 --> 00:27:59,960 Speaker 1: so nobody else goes to that island for another third 401 00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:04,760 Speaker 1: teen years. Yes, and then in January eight eight, an 402 00:28:04,920 --> 00:28:11,040 Speaker 1: armed British expedition manages a successful landing on North Sentinel Island. 403 00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:14,000 Speaker 1: They're led by the officer in charge of the Antonomese 404 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:17,440 Speaker 1: by this time, uh twenty year old fellow by the 405 00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:22,800 Speaker 1: name of Maurice Vidal Portman. They went through the island 406 00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:27,120 Speaker 1: in search of local people, and they had again some 407 00:28:27,320 --> 00:28:31,560 Speaker 1: of people from the greater An Dynomese population guiding them. 408 00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,800 Speaker 1: So what did they find. Well, the first thing they 409 00:28:34,840 --> 00:28:38,640 Speaker 1: came upon were a network of pathways where people had 410 00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:42,680 Speaker 1: been traveling by foot. Um there were several freshly abandoned 411 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:47,360 Speaker 1: villages that they that they saw again with with nobody around, 412 00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:49,800 Speaker 1: they kept surveying the island they found and it had 413 00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,960 Speaker 1: fertile soil, there were groves of tropical hardwoods and this 414 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:59,080 Speaker 1: this gentleman Portman didn't see a single human being other 415 00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:01,959 Speaker 1: than the people that he brought to the island. So 416 00:29:02,080 --> 00:29:06,840 Speaker 1: was it a ghost island? Maybe, but I don't think so. Eventually, 417 00:29:06,880 --> 00:29:11,280 Speaker 1: after several days of searching, the party discovered just six 418 00:29:11,760 --> 00:29:14,920 Speaker 1: Sentinel Ease. It was an elderly couple and they had 419 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:19,480 Speaker 1: four children with them. And you know, as as they 420 00:29:19,600 --> 00:29:24,160 Speaker 1: tended to do, I guess in the colonial path, they 421 00:29:24,200 --> 00:29:28,320 Speaker 1: abducted these six people and they took them with them. Yeah, 422 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:32,240 Speaker 1: they took them, the parents and the children. The father 423 00:29:32,440 --> 00:29:36,080 Speaker 1: was by far the oldest of the six. They took 424 00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:39,840 Speaker 1: them back onto the vessel with them. But as soon 425 00:29:40,080 --> 00:29:43,960 Speaker 1: as they were leaving the island, probably because they were 426 00:29:43,960 --> 00:29:50,200 Speaker 1: exposed to new UH diseases, the family fell ill, rapidly ill. 427 00:29:50,520 --> 00:29:55,520 Speaker 1: The parents died, and so in a strange move, Portman 428 00:29:56,080 --> 00:30:00,360 Speaker 1: and co. Sent the four surviving children back home with 429 00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,880 Speaker 1: presence the likes of which the Sentinel East community had 430 00:30:03,880 --> 00:30:08,080 Speaker 1: probably never seen before. And he talked about them in 431 00:30:08,080 --> 00:30:11,680 Speaker 1: a really smug condescending way, he said. You know, he 432 00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,120 Speaker 1: didn't feel particularly bad about it. He was annoyed by 433 00:30:15,160 --> 00:30:19,560 Speaker 1: what he considered to be their mannerisms and idiotic expressions. 434 00:30:19,560 --> 00:30:23,440 Speaker 1: That that's his choice of wording there. And they did 435 00:30:23,520 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 1: send four unaccompanied children back to an island that, to 436 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:31,800 Speaker 1: their observation, was uninhabited. Oh yeah, I didn't even think 437 00:30:31,840 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 1: about that part. Just go lord of the flies kids, 438 00:30:34,440 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: We'll see you later. Wow, here's a here's a doll 439 00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:41,080 Speaker 1: with your presence. And Portman did go on to visit 440 00:30:41,120 --> 00:30:44,880 Speaker 1: the island several more times. In August of eighteen eighty three. 441 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:49,680 Speaker 1: Uh they In August of eighteen eighty three, a volcanic 442 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: explosion was mistaken for the sounds of gunshots and possibly 443 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,920 Speaker 1: a distress signal, so several search parties go out. Portman's 444 00:31:00,360 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: search vessel lands on North Sentinel Island. The native people hide, 445 00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,600 Speaker 1: He doesn't see anyone, most importantly doesn't see a ship 446 00:31:10,600 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 1: in distress. So they just leave more gifts on the 447 00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,480 Speaker 1: shore and they depart. And then over the span of 448 00:31:16,760 --> 00:31:22,080 Speaker 1: eight five seven he visits a few more times, and 449 00:31:22,360 --> 00:31:26,680 Speaker 1: in his way, in a very smug, condescending way, Matt 450 00:31:26,920 --> 00:31:29,600 Speaker 1: he grows fond of the natives, and we have a 451 00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: quote when he was explaining how is his chilly heart 452 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:38,720 Speaker 1: had warmed to them. In many ways, they closely resemble 453 00:31:38,880 --> 00:31:44,480 Speaker 1: the average lower class English country school boy. As you see, 454 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I've only ever seen them running away except for those 455 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: four children and the two parents that I killed with 456 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,880 Speaker 1: my diseases. So the beginning of that quote is absolutely true. 457 00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:59,560 Speaker 1: But I think the whole thing really captures the spirit 458 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:02,120 Speaker 1: of where is coming from. Right, Maybe a little more 459 00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:05,520 Speaker 1: self aware than he was at the time, but then 460 00:32:06,360 --> 00:32:09,160 Speaker 1: you know, there's a relative period of calm because why 461 00:32:09,200 --> 00:32:11,320 Speaker 1: would you go so far out of your way to 462 00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,800 Speaker 1: visit this place? Yeah, there's there doesn't seem to be 463 00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:17,200 Speaker 1: any interaction that happens, at least if you've read the 464 00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,400 Speaker 1: stories or reports of the previous interactions or lack of 465 00:32:20,920 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: so yeah, no no reason. However, in eighteen s three 466 00:32:25,120 --> 00:32:28,560 Speaker 1: escaped Indian convicts fled that Port Blair that we mentioned before. 467 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:31,200 Speaker 1: They got on a makeshift raft and they drifted about 468 00:32:31,200 --> 00:32:35,040 Speaker 1: thirty miles to North Sentinel Island. Here's the deal. Two 469 00:32:35,040 --> 00:32:37,600 Speaker 1: of the fugitives drowned in the reefs that are surrounding 470 00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,840 Speaker 1: the island. Again, that we've mentioned before, the one guy, 471 00:32:41,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 1: the one survivor, made it to the beach, only to 472 00:32:44,480 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: be killed by the natives. By by the natives. Ostensibly 473 00:32:50,320 --> 00:32:54,960 Speaker 1: nobody probably saw this, I'm assuming, but but that's what 474 00:32:55,040 --> 00:32:58,760 Speaker 1: appeared to have happened. A British party later spotted and 475 00:32:58,800 --> 00:33:01,880 Speaker 1: retrieved his body, and they noticed that it was pierced 476 00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:08,560 Speaker 1: with with arrows and his throat was cut. Yep. And 477 00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:11,400 Speaker 1: after this, North Centinal Island was left alone for another 478 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: almost hundred years. But what happened after that, There's more 479 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:19,760 Speaker 1: to the story, will continue after a word from our sponsor. 480 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:30,040 Speaker 1: So meanwhile, for the rest of civilization that was not 481 00:33:30,520 --> 00:33:34,120 Speaker 1: part of the community on North Sentinel Island, a bunch 482 00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:38,280 Speaker 1: of stuff was happening, you know what I mean. Amazing inventions, 483 00:33:38,760 --> 00:33:45,760 Speaker 1: new depths of human depravity, wars, peace, beautiful moments. Some 484 00:33:45,840 --> 00:33:49,040 Speaker 1: of the most amazing people in history are born and forgotten. 485 00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:52,160 Speaker 1: And the people on this island have not only no 486 00:33:52,240 --> 00:33:55,640 Speaker 1: real idea about it, but they just don't want to 487 00:33:55,680 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 1: be forced to participate in this whole human experiment. In 488 00:34:02,400 --> 00:34:08,600 Speaker 1: nearby India, in nine the country finally gains independence from 489 00:34:08,719 --> 00:34:13,200 Speaker 1: British rule, and with this it gains control of the 490 00:34:13,239 --> 00:34:19,279 Speaker 1: Andamans and the Nicobar Islands, including North Sentinel Island. So 491 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: things are pretty hectic when you become a newly independent country. 492 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:27,600 Speaker 1: And they didn't really get to the concept of North 493 00:34:27,680 --> 00:34:30,880 Speaker 1: Sentinel Island or the mysterious people living on it for 494 00:34:30,920 --> 00:34:35,359 Speaker 1: about twenty years and uh in nineteen sixty seven, an 495 00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:40,800 Speaker 1: Indian anthropologist named Triloth Pondit was summoned by the governor 496 00:34:40,960 --> 00:34:46,560 Speaker 1: of the Andaman Islands for a major expedition to North 497 00:34:46,640 --> 00:34:50,560 Speaker 1: Sentinel Islands. Ponda was offered the opportunity to become the 498 00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:56,239 Speaker 1: first anthropologists to land there, accompanied by armed police, naval officers, 499 00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: too large patrol boats and inflatable rubber ding ease to 500 00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:04,120 Speaker 1: get around the reef without breaking up a ship and 501 00:35:04,160 --> 00:35:08,560 Speaker 1: getting trapped. Not so good against arrows though not so great, Yeah, 502 00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 1: not so great against arrows. Later in life, pondits when 503 00:35:13,520 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 1: he's talking about why he agreed to do this. He says, 504 00:35:17,080 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: there was a feeling that we were trying to establish 505 00:35:19,640 --> 00:35:23,480 Speaker 1: friendly contact, which would be considered an achievement at the 506 00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:28,160 Speaker 1: government level. So on the first expedition, the Sentinel Ease 507 00:35:28,280 --> 00:35:31,880 Speaker 1: retreat into the jungle and they disappear because they know 508 00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:35,560 Speaker 1: this better than any non native ever would. There's no contact. 509 00:35:35,680 --> 00:35:40,160 Speaker 1: So the party leaves gifts of buckets, cloth, and candy 510 00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:42,880 Speaker 1: in the empty huts of the village. But they also 511 00:35:44,400 --> 00:35:47,759 Speaker 1: they also steal some stuff. They called it collecting, but 512 00:35:47,880 --> 00:35:50,799 Speaker 1: they stole some stuff, and they left blankets and things 513 00:35:50,840 --> 00:35:54,040 Speaker 1: that could have been tainted. As we found with the 514 00:35:54,080 --> 00:35:57,560 Speaker 1: American native populations, something as simple as a blanket can 515 00:35:57,640 --> 00:36:01,200 Speaker 1: hold a lot of pathogens, can be a actor for disease, right, 516 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,319 Speaker 1: So what what kind of stuff did they take? They 517 00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,680 Speaker 1: took bows, arrows, There was a basket, and even the 518 00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:10,920 Speaker 1: painted skull of a wild boar. And they were like, 519 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:17,719 Speaker 1: this is ours. Enjoy the things, the candy. Uh yeah, 520 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,640 Speaker 1: And then they return another trip. On the nine March, 521 00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:28,280 Speaker 1: Ponda and his party find themselves trapped on the reef 522 00:36:28,360 --> 00:36:34,000 Speaker 1: flats between North Sentinel Island and Constant Islet. Constance Islet 523 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:40,600 Speaker 1: was just a little bit away from the actual island itself, 524 00:36:41,000 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: and that when we talked about how the island grew 525 00:36:43,600 --> 00:36:48,200 Speaker 1: a little bit larger after the two thousand four earthquake 526 00:36:48,880 --> 00:36:51,680 Speaker 1: and Snami, the same way that the Grinch's heart grew 527 00:36:51,680 --> 00:36:55,439 Speaker 1: a little bit larger at the end of the film spoilers. Now, 528 00:36:55,600 --> 00:36:59,000 Speaker 1: the islet is attached to the island, but beforehand you 529 00:36:59,040 --> 00:37:03,600 Speaker 1: could get lot in between there, just to give the geography. 530 00:37:03,800 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: So they were certain that they were going to be attacked. 531 00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:14,560 Speaker 1: This is it, thought Pandit and company, So pendit or Pandit. 532 00:37:14,960 --> 00:37:17,320 Speaker 1: I want to be clear that we are not native speakers, 533 00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:21,160 Speaker 1: so may be mispronouncing this name. Uh. They were certain 534 00:37:21,200 --> 00:37:23,920 Speaker 1: that this was going to spell the end and that 535 00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,840 Speaker 1: they were going to die in the pursuit of this 536 00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:36,960 Speaker 1: great anthropological experiment. But something unexpected occurred. So at first 537 00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,680 Speaker 1: they see that the they see that two of the 538 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:47,760 Speaker 1: natives who were just sort of observing them have realized 539 00:37:47,880 --> 00:37:53,200 Speaker 1: that they're stuck, and more people come out of they cover, 540 00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:57,200 Speaker 1: more men, more warriors, threatening to shoot at them, you know, 541 00:37:57,239 --> 00:38:01,760 Speaker 1: brandishing their arrows. Uh. And so they tried to appease 542 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: them by giving them fish that they had caught, but 543 00:38:06,719 --> 00:38:10,399 Speaker 1: that didn't work. More more dudes were coming at them, 544 00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:15,640 Speaker 1: getting closer and closer to shoot uh. And when they 545 00:38:15,920 --> 00:38:21,680 Speaker 1: got fish, some of them started to calm down, but 546 00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:28,160 Speaker 1: other people weren't having it, and they were still hostile there. 547 00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,120 Speaker 1: So they were still taking the fish, but then just 548 00:38:30,200 --> 00:38:33,040 Speaker 1: picking the bows back up and getting ready to kill them. 549 00:38:33,120 --> 00:38:36,160 Speaker 1: So the guys were thinking, eventually, we're gonna run out 550 00:38:36,160 --> 00:38:40,120 Speaker 1: of fish, right. But then, at this moment this is 551 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:42,879 Speaker 1: a quote from an eyewitness account in the seventies, At 552 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:45,680 Speaker 1: this moment, a strange thing happened. A woman paired off 553 00:38:45,719 --> 00:38:47,640 Speaker 1: with a warrior and sat on the sand and a 554 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,120 Speaker 1: passionate embrace. This act was being repeated by other women, 555 00:38:51,160 --> 00:38:54,760 Speaker 1: each claiming a warrior for herself, a sort of community mating, 556 00:38:54,880 --> 00:38:58,000 Speaker 1: as it were. Thus did the militant group diminish. This 557 00:38:58,120 --> 00:39:00,759 Speaker 1: continued for quite some time, and in the tempo of 558 00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,400 Speaker 1: this frenzy dance of desire abated. The couples retired into 559 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,959 Speaker 1: the shade of the jungle. However, some warriors were still 560 00:39:08,000 --> 00:39:10,480 Speaker 1: on guard. We got close to the shore and through 561 00:39:10,520 --> 00:39:13,560 Speaker 1: some more fish, which were immediately retrieved by a few youngsters. 562 00:39:13,880 --> 00:39:16,480 Speaker 1: It was well past noon, so we headed back to 563 00:39:16,520 --> 00:39:20,640 Speaker 1: the ship. So they managed to survive, but they had 564 00:39:20,680 --> 00:39:26,839 Speaker 1: to watch something very weird, very interesting. I wonder what 565 00:39:27,680 --> 00:39:29,640 Speaker 1: kind of because it must be a show of force 566 00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:33,440 Speaker 1: in some way. I don't know. I don't know. I mean, 567 00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,520 Speaker 1: we're not anthropologist, man. Maybe it's just the time of day. 568 00:39:36,560 --> 00:39:39,319 Speaker 1: That was the thing that happened at that time. We 569 00:39:39,360 --> 00:39:41,839 Speaker 1: could we could just think about it all day long. 570 00:39:43,640 --> 00:39:46,640 Speaker 1: I think it's more like, I think there's gonna be 571 00:39:46,680 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: power in there somewhere, right, maybe a calming effect or 572 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 1: something I don't know. I don't know, maybe something ritualistic. 573 00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:55,799 Speaker 1: Who knows, who knows. We would like to hear your 574 00:39:55,880 --> 00:39:58,920 Speaker 1: theories as well. Right to his conspiracy how stuff works 575 00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:04,400 Speaker 1: dot com. They're also unproven murders or at least missing 576 00:40:04,480 --> 00:40:07,920 Speaker 1: person cases associated with the island. Oh yeah. In that 577 00:40:08,040 --> 00:40:10,640 Speaker 1: same year of nine seventy, there was a wreck that 578 00:40:10,719 --> 00:40:13,000 Speaker 1: was spotted on a coral reef right on the southeast 579 00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:16,319 Speaker 1: coast of the island, and after people were looking at 580 00:40:16,360 --> 00:40:17,920 Speaker 1: it to see what the heck is going on here, 581 00:40:17,920 --> 00:40:20,400 Speaker 1: it was concluded that the vessel had been just sitting 582 00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:22,920 Speaker 1: there for about seven or eight months, and there was 583 00:40:22,960 --> 00:40:25,320 Speaker 1: no sign of the crew, no sign of the fate 584 00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:29,280 Speaker 1: of the crew. So who knows. That one's just a mystery, 585 00:40:29,480 --> 00:40:31,840 Speaker 1: and I don't think we'll ever have a just a 586 00:40:31,840 --> 00:40:37,800 Speaker 1: concrete reason for why that happened. And then of course, 587 00:40:37,840 --> 00:40:41,719 Speaker 1: the big, the big deal, right, the big tent. As 588 00:40:41,760 --> 00:40:46,880 Speaker 1: far as the encounters go, it's we can tell you 589 00:40:46,960 --> 00:40:53,320 Speaker 1: the story of the encounter. That actually had video footage, 590 00:40:53,320 --> 00:40:55,520 Speaker 1: which you mentioned earlier, right, Matt, Yeah, it's one of 591 00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:59,360 Speaker 1: the only existing is really it's the only existing footage 592 00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:02,080 Speaker 1: that I have scene of the Sentinel Ease. It was 593 00:41:02,120 --> 00:41:05,600 Speaker 1: in the spring of nineteen four when there was a 594 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:08,080 Speaker 1: visit by this team of anthropologists and they were filming 595 00:41:08,080 --> 00:41:11,680 Speaker 1: a documentary called Man in Search of Man, and there 596 00:41:11,760 --> 00:41:15,280 Speaker 1: was a National Geographic photographer with them. They're also armed 597 00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:20,360 Speaker 1: police officers. They actually wore padded armor. Um. They they 598 00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,439 Speaker 1: had under these jackets and again who's to say what 599 00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:27,719 Speaker 1: that does against arrows. Hopefully that would have been, you know, 600 00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,600 Speaker 1: some kind of protection, but who knows. Um. And there 601 00:41:31,680 --> 00:41:34,359 Speaker 1: is actual footage that you can see. I believe that's 602 00:41:34,400 --> 00:41:39,000 Speaker 1: the nineteen seventy four footage ulstits from earlier. It's the 603 00:41:39,000 --> 00:41:42,719 Speaker 1: only one that I've seen, I think. Then in September nine, 604 00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,600 Speaker 1: after both confirmed and suspected deaths at the hands of 605 00:41:47,600 --> 00:41:51,560 Speaker 1: the Sentinel Ease, the Indian government added this, uh this zone. 606 00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,120 Speaker 1: It's a five kilometer three mile exclusion zone around the 607 00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: island and it's under the provisions of the Andaman and 608 00:41:58,120 --> 00:42:03,080 Speaker 1: Nicobar Protection of Aborigine tribes regulation. Um, it's called a 609 00:42:03,360 --> 00:42:08,520 Speaker 1: N P A t R. Yes, I love a good acronym. Right. 610 00:42:09,200 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 1: We should also add, you know, nobody died in the 611 00:42:12,600 --> 00:42:16,279 Speaker 1: nineteen seventy four incident, but I got shot through the thigh. 612 00:42:16,640 --> 00:42:20,440 Speaker 1: I think, uh, the that was their reaction to giving 613 00:42:20,440 --> 00:42:24,960 Speaker 1: the gifts. So it's interesting because before this exclusion zone exists, 614 00:42:24,960 --> 00:42:29,920 Speaker 1: and before it gets extended even we see this history 615 00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:34,040 Speaker 1: of people trying to peacefully hide, stay away from us outsiders. 616 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:40,319 Speaker 1: And then at some point in this occasional you know, 617 00:42:40,400 --> 00:42:43,040 Speaker 1: every every few decades, every century or so, in this 618 00:42:43,080 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: occasional badgery and from the outside world, the sentinel East 619 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:51,600 Speaker 1: stop putting up with this. Yeah, who knows what internal 620 00:42:51,640 --> 00:42:54,759 Speaker 1: folklore they've they have now for the people that come 621 00:42:54,760 --> 00:42:58,320 Speaker 1: and visit them every few decades. Yeah, there are there's Okay, 622 00:42:58,360 --> 00:43:01,080 Speaker 1: so there are a couple of Indie patients that they 623 00:43:01,120 --> 00:43:03,279 Speaker 1: might have some ancient myths similar to those of the 624 00:43:03,320 --> 00:43:08,960 Speaker 1: on gay But it's just in the The only way 625 00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:11,759 Speaker 1: we know is that when that two thousand and four 626 00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:17,080 Speaker 1: disaster occurred, they got to high ground, so they knew two. 627 00:43:17,320 --> 00:43:21,440 Speaker 1: They knew that some sort of natural disturbance was coming, 628 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:26,200 Speaker 1: and that may be based on an oral history about 629 00:43:26,239 --> 00:43:30,240 Speaker 1: similar events in the distant past shared with the people 630 00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:33,600 Speaker 1: would later become known as the gay So that's possible. 631 00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:37,960 Speaker 1: But can you imagine, and we're entirely speculating here, Matt, 632 00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:41,960 Speaker 1: can you imagine what oral histories may exist now based 633 00:43:41,960 --> 00:43:45,480 Speaker 1: on those four kids who returned, right? I mean that 634 00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:51,040 Speaker 1: sounds insane. You know. They took me, they killed my parents, 635 00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:54,800 Speaker 1: they brought me back with this these strange beings on ships. 636 00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:58,920 Speaker 1: We saw things that looked like this that we have 637 00:43:59,000 --> 00:44:03,400 Speaker 1: no way of really scribing to you, right, And these 638 00:44:03,680 --> 00:44:09,280 Speaker 1: deaths at the hands of the Sentinel Ease residents still occur. 639 00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:13,399 Speaker 1: In two thousand six, two men were illegally fishing from 640 00:44:13,440 --> 00:44:16,600 Speaker 1: mud crabs off the coast and North Sentinel Island, and 641 00:44:16,640 --> 00:44:21,200 Speaker 1: the Centinel Ease killed them. An Indian Coast Guard helicopter 642 00:44:21,320 --> 00:44:24,560 Speaker 1: tried to go retrieve the bodies, and it was warded 643 00:44:24,600 --> 00:44:30,640 Speaker 1: off by bows and arrows and ambitious explorers. An anthropologists 644 00:44:30,680 --> 00:44:36,560 Speaker 1: attempting to make first contact may have already violated the 645 00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:41,000 Speaker 1: prime directive in some ways. They may have accelerated the 646 00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:46,120 Speaker 1: age of the the civilization and culture on the island, 647 00:44:46,239 --> 00:44:49,120 Speaker 1: and by age. I don't mean just age in terms 648 00:44:49,120 --> 00:44:52,200 Speaker 1: of numbers, I mean the technological age. They may have 649 00:44:52,239 --> 00:44:55,239 Speaker 1: gone from the Stone Age to something else, because we 650 00:44:55,280 --> 00:44:57,840 Speaker 1: have to remember these are people. They may be living 651 00:44:57,960 --> 00:45:01,800 Speaker 1: differently than many other people in planet, but that doesn't 652 00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:06,280 Speaker 1: make them not human. They're still really smart because human 653 00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:10,120 Speaker 1: beings are for the most part, insanely super villain level 654 00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:15,040 Speaker 1: brilliant in comparison to other living things. And that means 655 00:45:15,080 --> 00:45:18,319 Speaker 1: that they took salvaged metal and they made weapons, they 656 00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:23,200 Speaker 1: made ornaments, they made jewelry. But as we as we 657 00:45:23,320 --> 00:45:28,040 Speaker 1: get to the end of today's show, we know that 658 00:45:28,120 --> 00:45:33,960 Speaker 1: the the they in today's episode is the sentinel ease people, 659 00:45:34,920 --> 00:45:38,520 Speaker 1: and the stuff they don't want you to know is 660 00:45:38,800 --> 00:45:43,040 Speaker 1: anything about how they live, or what their lives are like, 661 00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:49,080 Speaker 1: or what they think about you, specifically you, specifically Matt, Paul, 662 00:45:49,600 --> 00:45:53,120 Speaker 1: Noel and I as well. They want to be left alone. 663 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:56,440 Speaker 1: And is that so bad? What should happen to the 664 00:45:56,480 --> 00:45:59,520 Speaker 1: residents of the island. We're asking you. Should they be 665 00:45:59,640 --> 00:46:02,799 Speaker 1: left to own as is apparently their desire, or is 666 00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:06,840 Speaker 1: it too late already? Will they need assistance as local 667 00:46:06,960 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: wildlife dies out? As oceanic biodiversity decreases, you know, when 668 00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:17,000 Speaker 1: like like, it's all well and good to say that 669 00:46:17,360 --> 00:46:22,200 Speaker 1: we should leave this community alone. But some people would argue, well, 670 00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:27,120 Speaker 1: what if environmental catastrophes make their way of life unsustainable? 671 00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,319 Speaker 1: Does the human species have a responsibility to help the 672 00:46:30,360 --> 00:46:34,440 Speaker 1: people on this island? Yeah, I think they're too. I 673 00:46:34,440 --> 00:46:37,640 Speaker 1: I see these sides and both of these arguments. Personally, 674 00:46:37,640 --> 00:46:41,520 Speaker 1: I'm more on the leave them alone side. Every everything 675 00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,960 Speaker 1: I have ever witnessed about this, this sort of situation 676 00:46:46,440 --> 00:46:50,799 Speaker 1: tells me that it's it's okay to not want to participate. 677 00:46:50,840 --> 00:46:56,319 Speaker 1: You shouldn't force people to do stuff. I think there 678 00:46:56,360 --> 00:46:59,000 Speaker 1: there is a point to be made about perhaps they 679 00:46:59,040 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 1: are just protecting their own and their territory rather than 680 00:47:04,120 --> 00:47:07,080 Speaker 1: really not wanting to be contacted. You know. Yeah, the 681 00:47:07,120 --> 00:47:11,440 Speaker 1: Indian government has never prosecuted them for any of these murders, 682 00:47:11,480 --> 00:47:13,879 Speaker 1: by the way, and they are murders, or you could 683 00:47:13,880 --> 00:47:17,520 Speaker 1: call them cultural self defense. But when we ask this question, 684 00:47:17,680 --> 00:47:22,080 Speaker 1: we also have to ask I don't want to tilt 685 00:47:22,120 --> 00:47:25,719 Speaker 1: the scales too much, but we also have to ask 686 00:47:25,760 --> 00:47:31,160 Speaker 1: ourselves what happened to the other indigenous peoples of these 687 00:47:31,239 --> 00:47:35,879 Speaker 1: island groups when outsiders contacted them? Well, we have one 688 00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:41,560 Speaker 1: example that's not the same in in really many respects, 689 00:47:41,560 --> 00:47:44,719 Speaker 1: but we can see the effects that civilization has had 690 00:47:44,800 --> 00:47:47,000 Speaker 1: on them. They're called the Jarwah. There were a native 691 00:47:47,040 --> 00:47:51,200 Speaker 1: tribe and native and Iman tribe, and there is a 692 00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:54,600 Speaker 1: They live on one island where there is a road 693 00:47:54,880 --> 00:47:59,200 Speaker 1: that goes through their reservation essentially on this island. They're 694 00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:01,800 Speaker 1: kind of in the center of the island, and then there's, uh, 695 00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:04,839 Speaker 1: there're like some tourist areas and other Indian locals who 696 00:48:04,840 --> 00:48:07,040 Speaker 1: live on the outer side at the outer rim of 697 00:48:07,080 --> 00:48:10,319 Speaker 1: the island, and there's some civilization out there. And this 698 00:48:10,400 --> 00:48:13,440 Speaker 1: road that goes right through their reservation was in use 699 00:48:13,480 --> 00:48:16,759 Speaker 1: for a while, but then it was decided by the 700 00:48:16,760 --> 00:48:20,120 Speaker 1: Indian government that hey, we should not use this road anymore. 701 00:48:20,120 --> 00:48:24,360 Speaker 1: We're we're interrupting the life of this tribe, this relatively 702 00:48:24,440 --> 00:48:27,360 Speaker 1: uncontacted tribe, because I think was the first time that 703 00:48:27,400 --> 00:48:33,839 Speaker 1: they were officially contacted um. But then tourism kind of 704 00:48:33,880 --> 00:48:39,200 Speaker 1: became the thing where this road began. They they these 705 00:48:39,200 --> 00:48:43,440 Speaker 1: companies started taking human safaris down this road where they 706 00:48:43,480 --> 00:48:46,920 Speaker 1: would get in you know, vans at large jeeps and 707 00:48:48,040 --> 00:48:50,839 Speaker 1: pay people money to take these trips. To perhaps get 708 00:48:50,840 --> 00:48:53,400 Speaker 1: a chance look at some of these tribes people just 709 00:48:53,520 --> 00:48:56,640 Speaker 1: living their lives and looking at them as though they're 710 00:48:56,680 --> 00:49:00,000 Speaker 1: in a zoo or something. Um, it's a pretty horror 711 00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:06,239 Speaker 1: find thought, especially just it's it feels very icky first 712 00:49:06,239 --> 00:49:08,040 Speaker 1: of all. But then the second thing is that you 713 00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:11,200 Speaker 1: are disturbing these people in their way of life. Every 714 00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:14,040 Speaker 1: time a single vehicle goes by on this road that 715 00:49:14,120 --> 00:49:18,360 Speaker 1: they make an encounter. Um, it's it's pretty crazy. You 716 00:49:18,360 --> 00:49:20,480 Speaker 1: can also just grab a taxi by the way and 717 00:49:20,560 --> 00:49:22,120 Speaker 1: go through there. You do have to get through a 718 00:49:22,160 --> 00:49:25,920 Speaker 1: military checkpoint and you are not allowed, at least according 719 00:49:25,960 --> 00:49:28,200 Speaker 1: to the authorities there and all the signs they put up. 720 00:49:28,200 --> 00:49:31,279 Speaker 1: You're not allowed to take any pictures, photography or video 721 00:49:31,440 --> 00:49:34,520 Speaker 1: of the Jarwi tribe, which is I guess a good thing, 722 00:49:35,080 --> 00:49:39,160 Speaker 1: But how do you police you know that many people 723 00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:42,759 Speaker 1: and that many vehicles going through at the time. It's 724 00:49:42,800 --> 00:49:46,040 Speaker 1: just not great. And the other thing are destination resorts 725 00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,600 Speaker 1: which are all around these islands, specifically those nine islands 726 00:49:50,680 --> 00:49:56,319 Speaker 1: that are inhabited um or I guess eight. But um 727 00:49:56,360 --> 00:50:00,360 Speaker 1: there are resorts and there's a tradition for local peoples 728 00:50:00,360 --> 00:50:03,760 Speaker 1: who live on these islands. People's of I guess Western 729 00:50:03,800 --> 00:50:07,959 Speaker 1: civilization who burn their refuse, that's what they do. They've 730 00:50:07,960 --> 00:50:11,600 Speaker 1: got you know, they're small residences and they burn their trash. 731 00:50:11,640 --> 00:50:14,680 Speaker 1: These larger resorts, though, make so much trash that there's 732 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:18,760 Speaker 1: no way to really burn it with without creating massive issues. 733 00:50:19,480 --> 00:50:22,640 Speaker 1: So then it becomes a different massive issue where it's 734 00:50:22,680 --> 00:50:25,680 Speaker 1: just a giant pile of trash. And there are multiple 735 00:50:25,719 --> 00:50:29,480 Speaker 1: resorts around this these islands. So anyway, that's just the 736 00:50:29,600 --> 00:50:32,040 Speaker 1: one thing to think about. If North Centinel Island ever 737 00:50:32,120 --> 00:50:36,839 Speaker 1: becomes contacted to the point where there are buildings and 738 00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,799 Speaker 1: businesses being put up on the island, we can kind 739 00:50:40,800 --> 00:50:44,399 Speaker 1: of see what might happen to the tribe, right, Yeah, 740 00:50:44,480 --> 00:50:47,520 Speaker 1: you can also in addition to the point you've made 741 00:50:47,520 --> 00:50:51,040 Speaker 1: met you can you can also check out videos of 742 00:50:51,160 --> 00:50:58,600 Speaker 1: some of these native people being taunted to dance for 743 00:50:58,800 --> 00:51:02,600 Speaker 1: food and uh and similar things like that. So the 744 00:51:02,680 --> 00:51:06,879 Speaker 1: question is, now that we know the stuff they don't 745 00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:10,080 Speaker 1: want you to know on the Sentinel east side, what 746 00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:14,760 Speaker 1: is humanity to do? Is the government of India correct 747 00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:20,200 Speaker 1: to create this exclusion zone and to force all traffic 748 00:51:21,520 --> 00:51:28,440 Speaker 1: to keep this island essentially lost in time? Or should 749 00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:33,000 Speaker 1: something else be done? If so, what, and if so how? 750 00:51:34,600 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: We we don't have the answers. I mean, clearly, Matt, 751 00:51:38,640 --> 00:51:40,080 Speaker 1: I'm gonna go out on a limb and say you're 752 00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,120 Speaker 1: also on the side of leave them alone. Yes, but 753 00:51:43,280 --> 00:51:47,000 Speaker 1: I'm aware of the inevitability that they will I mean, 754 00:51:47,040 --> 00:51:51,840 Speaker 1: they will be engulfed by civilization at some point. Time 755 00:51:51,960 --> 00:51:57,040 Speaker 1: is very long and humanity expands ever so well, let 756 00:51:57,080 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: me ask you this, what if what if someone and 757 00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:05,040 Speaker 1: in the population decides to build several boats, and what 758 00:52:05,160 --> 00:52:08,680 Speaker 1: if they under their own power going to the outside world. 759 00:52:08,800 --> 00:52:12,080 Speaker 1: But then, you know what I mean, it's different because 760 00:52:12,280 --> 00:52:16,239 Speaker 1: that goes both ways, this human need for expansion. So 761 00:52:16,360 --> 00:52:19,399 Speaker 1: at this point we don't know the answers. No one does. 762 00:52:20,360 --> 00:52:23,800 Speaker 1: We wanted to introduce you to one of the most 763 00:52:23,960 --> 00:52:28,279 Speaker 1: secret places in the world, right one of the one 764 00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:32,040 Speaker 1: of the places where you most likely will never get 765 00:52:32,080 --> 00:52:35,200 Speaker 1: to travel and if you do get a chance, just 766 00:52:35,840 --> 00:52:41,439 Speaker 1: and probably you shouldn't write I'm I'm having a tough 767 00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,359 Speaker 1: time saying that. I know it's the right thing to do. Matt, 768 00:52:44,480 --> 00:52:47,560 Speaker 1: I know you're right, but again we want to hear 769 00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,280 Speaker 1: from you. Thank you so much for tuning into the show. 770 00:52:50,520 --> 00:52:54,600 Speaker 1: Friends and neighbors, fellow conspiracy realists. 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