WEBVTT - Comedian Lenny Bruce's Filthy Mouth

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<v Speaker 1>School of Humans.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, it's the spookiest time of year, isn't it. And

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not talking about Halloween filth heads, No, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's almost the election. I hope you guys

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<v Speaker 2>have voted, unless you're voting for the person who I

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<v Speaker 2>don't want you to vote for. Yes, I'm using this

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<v Speaker 2>podcast for voter suppression. Also, by the way, my voice

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<v Speaker 2>is a little hoarse because I was doing a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of karaoke to Nickelback songs and I wish that was

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<v Speaker 2>a lie, but it's not. Anyway, It's been a wild week,

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<v Speaker 2>especially in the world of stand up comedy, and I

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<v Speaker 2>am going to go on a bit of a rant now.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry, but don't worry. We'll get to the

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<v Speaker 2>history soon. So Tony Hinchcliffe he is a comic known

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<v Speaker 2>for his amazing podcast called Kill Tony. And by amazing,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it more in the context like, wow, that

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<v Speaker 2>amount of shit my dog shat is amazing.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow. Well, the news is that he.

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<v Speaker 2>Mister Tony Hinchecliff, was at the Donald Trump rally are

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<v Speaker 2>they called rallies or events? I don't know, at Madison

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<v Speaker 2>Square Garden earlier this week, and Tony did a speech,

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<v Speaker 2>specifically a hate speech. At the event, he punched down

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<v Speaker 2>upon various groups. For example, he called Puerto Rico a

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<v Speaker 2>floating island of garbage, which first of all, is a

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<v Speaker 2>rude way to characterize a territory of the United States

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<v Speaker 2>that has been routinely neglected by the government, you know, with.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurricane relief and other resources.

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<v Speaker 2>And secondly, Tony Hinchecliff islands don't float, freaking idiot. The

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<v Speaker 2>silver lining of his speech though, is that I'm sure

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<v Speaker 2>many Trump supporters are now learning for the first time

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<v Speaker 2>that Puerto Rico is a part of the United States.

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<v Speaker 2>In the past few years, in the world of stand up,

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<v Speaker 2>Tony Hinchcliff has become one of the supreme edge lord

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<v Speaker 2>comedians living in Austin, Texas, which is the holy place

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<v Speaker 2>of the Joe Rogan cinematic universe.

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<v Speaker 1>Tony, he's a.

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<v Speaker 2>God to in cells and sexual predators alike. And he

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<v Speaker 2>said a lot of racist stuff in the past, notably

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<v Speaker 2>making fun of an Asian comedian who opened for him,

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<v Speaker 2>and by making fun, I mean using mini slurs against him.

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<v Speaker 2>So honestly, it was not surprising that he said some

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<v Speaker 2>horrific stuff at the Trump event. But the sad thing

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<v Speaker 2>about the comedians who adhere to the Austin, Texas Code

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<v Speaker 2>of Comedian Ethics, which by the way, is a blank

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<v Speaker 2>sheet of paper, is that they really think they're doing

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<v Speaker 2>something revolutionary. They consider themselves the punks, the rock and rollers,

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<v Speaker 2>the counter culture of today, fighting against the oppressiveness of

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<v Speaker 2>things like diversity, equity and inclusion and political correctness, and

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<v Speaker 2>what they deliver is shock comedy, jokes that often don't

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<v Speaker 2>have a punchline. And why can they say stuff like this, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>freedom of speech. It's the first amendment, the very first one.

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<v Speaker 2>The founding fathers were like, yes, we must have the

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<v Speaker 2>right to talk shit upon everyone and not be thrown

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<v Speaker 2>in jail. And yeah, freedom of speech, it's great. It's

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<v Speaker 2>great to be able to say what you want. And

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<v Speaker 2>then is free.

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<v Speaker 1>Speech versus hate speech.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a whole complicated mess because freedom of speech is

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<v Speaker 2>not straightforward. Throughout history, free speech hasn't been completely free.

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<v Speaker 2>Even today, politicians are suppressing speech in the form of

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<v Speaker 2>bills like Florida's Don't Stay Gay, And throughout our country's

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<v Speaker 2>histories there have been a lot of trials, laws, court decisions,

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<v Speaker 2>protests that have led US to this moment where a

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<v Speaker 2>professional comedian can get on stage in clubs and venues

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<v Speaker 2>across the country and say truly offensive and or obscene

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<v Speaker 2>stuff without being hauled off to prison. So let's go

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<v Speaker 2>back in time to when Tony Hinchcliff wasn't even a

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<v Speaker 2>lump of cells. Yet, back to the nineteen sixties, and

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<v Speaker 2>let's take a look at a different comedian, a comedian

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<v Speaker 2>who has arrested multiple times, went through multiple obscenity trials

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<v Speaker 2>and became a central figure and the conversation around free speech.

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<v Speaker 2>A comedian who paved the way for people like me

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<v Speaker 2>to be able to talk about abortions and vaginas at

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<v Speaker 2>an open mic at a coffee shop at five pm.

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<v Speaker 2>Who am I talking about, of course, the great Lenny Bruce.

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<v Speaker 2>This is American filth and I'm Gabby Watts. Every week

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<v Speaker 2>I tell you a filthy story for American history. This

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<v Speaker 2>week's episode free speech and Lenny Bruce. For those of

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<v Speaker 2>you who don't know who Lenny Bruce is, he was

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<v Speaker 2>a big time stand up comedian in the nineteen fifties

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<v Speaker 2>and sixties, and back then Americans had some pretty conservative

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<v Speaker 2>ideas of what you should be allowed to say in

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<v Speaker 2>public performances. Back then, Tony Henchcliff would have been arrested

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<v Speaker 2>on the spot, and so would Donald Trump probably, And

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm being honest, me too if anybody saw my

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<v Speaker 2>stand up. Back then, the standard for what constituted obscenity

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<v Speaker 2>was often rooted in moral beliefs and societal norms of

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<v Speaker 2>the time, and also based on the nineteen thirty three

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<v Speaker 2>Supreme Court decision United States versus Ulysses, a book by

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<v Speaker 2>James Joyce, which permitted greater latitude in literature but not

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<v Speaker 2>in public performances, basically being like, yeah, you can say

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<v Speaker 2>bad words and say obscene things in a book, but

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<v Speaker 2>if you're doing a stand upset, if you did in

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<v Speaker 2>the theater, no no, no, no no, you got to

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<v Speaker 2>keep your mouth shut. You got to be appropriate. And

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<v Speaker 2>under the framework from this Supreme Court decision, any material

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<v Speaker 2>deemed to offend the moral sensibilities of the average person

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<v Speaker 2>could be classified as obscene, making it illegal for public

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<v Speaker 2>distribution or performance. Lenny Bruce was born in nineteen twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five as Leonard Schneider, but he changed his name and

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<v Speaker 2>since he was young, he was a silly yet provocative

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<v Speaker 2>goose like at age twenty and nineteen forty five, he

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<v Speaker 2>was kicked out of the army because he would wear

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<v Speaker 2>women's clothing.

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<v Speaker 1>That's huge to be kicked out.

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<v Speaker 2>Of the army at that point, because if you recall

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen forty five, there was this little war that

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<v Speaker 2>was kind of winding down that needed man you know,

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<v Speaker 2>explicitly man power. When he got into stand up comedy,

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<v Speaker 2>he did observational humor, he did some social criticism, and woohoo,

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<v Speaker 2>he used explicit language. He also talked about taboo subject

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<v Speaker 2>like sex, politics, religion, race, topics that at that point

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<v Speaker 2>were considered largely off limits for public discussion, even though

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<v Speaker 2>today I'm like, those are the only subjects you're supposed

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<v Speaker 2>to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>About in stand up What are we talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>And it makes sense that he developed this style because

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<v Speaker 2>he started his career doing burlesque comedy, which means that

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<v Speaker 2>he was honing his act in strip clubs in southern California,

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<v Speaker 2>and at a strip club, you know, not much as

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<v Speaker 2>off limits, though it would be funny to get arrested

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<v Speaker 2>at a strip club for obscenity like saying titties is

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<v Speaker 2>more offensive than actual titties, and yes, on this podcast,

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<v Speaker 2>American filth. We are considering titties very obscene. Lenny Bruce

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<v Speaker 2>wrote an autobiography called How to Talk Dirty and Influence People.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is a haha. He he a satirization.

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<v Speaker 2>Of how to win friends and influence people. And in

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<v Speaker 2>his book, Lenny talked about how he developed his style.

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<v Speaker 1>He said, four years working in clubs.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what really made it for me. Every night doing it,

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<v Speaker 2>doing it, doing it, getting bored and doing different ways.

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<v Speaker 2>No pressure on you, and all the other comedians are

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<v Speaker 2>drunken bums who don't show up, So I could try anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And oh boy, for the time, he really did try anything.

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<v Speaker 2>And because of that, his stand up career was marked

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<v Speaker 2>by numerous arrests and legal battles that had a lasting

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<v Speaker 2>impact on the rights of artists and the interpretation of

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<v Speaker 2>free speech in the United States today. So let's get

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<v Speaker 2>to his first arrest, why don't we. It was in

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty one. At that point, Lenny Bruce was mega successful.

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<v Speaker 2>He'd appeared on television, He'd done a huge show at

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<v Speaker 2>Carnegie Hall. He'd been called by television host Steve Allen

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<v Speaker 2>the most shocking comedian of our time. A young man

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<v Speaker 2>who was scared rocketing to fame. Time magazine called his

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<v Speaker 2>act sick comedy, social criticism liberally.

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<v Speaker 1>Laced with cyanide.

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<v Speaker 2>His act was characterized by a personal and highly disturbing

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<v Speaker 2>hostility toward all the world. Well, what's an example of

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<v Speaker 2>some of these poisonous bits by Lenny Bruce. Well, let's

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<v Speaker 2>hear me butcher some of them.

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<v Speaker 1>We got this gym from nineteen fifty eight.

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<v Speaker 2>If Jesus had been killed twenty years ago, Catholic school

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<v Speaker 2>children would be wearing little electric chairs around their necks

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<v Speaker 2>instead of crosses. Haha, he he. He had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of things criticizing religion. For example, he had if you

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<v Speaker 2>live in New York, even if you're Catholic, you're Jewish,

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<v Speaker 2>or people are leaving the church and going back to God.

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<v Speaker 2>Of course Lenny Bruce he had some classic material about

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<v Speaker 2>men versus women, which honestly is most comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>One of his jokes goes, a.

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<v Speaker 2>Lady can't go through a plate glass window and go

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<v Speaker 2>to bed with you five seconds later, but guys can

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<v Speaker 2>have head on collisions with greyhound buses, and on the

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<v Speaker 2>way of the hospital in the ambulance, the guy makes

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<v Speaker 2>a play for the nurse Wow, isn't he speaking the truth?

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<v Speaker 2>Dudes are horny. He'd also talk about current events celebrities,

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<v Speaker 2>like one joke he did was about Elizabeth Taylor, who

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<v Speaker 2>was about to marry the Jewish actor and singer Eddie Fisher,

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<v Speaker 2>and Lenny Bruce said, will Elizabeth Taylor become bar mitzvud?

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<v Speaker 1>Whoa, whoa woe?

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<v Speaker 2>Apparently this was very scandalous. And he had a lot

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<v Speaker 2>of bits about race. He had one bit where he

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<v Speaker 2>just yelled the end word a lot. I know, not great,

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<v Speaker 2>but here's one of his bits about race that I

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<v Speaker 2>think holds up. I mean, it's still kind of crazy,

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<v Speaker 2>but here it is. You have a choice of spending

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<v Speaker 2>fifteen years married to a woman, a black woman or

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<v Speaker 2>a white woman, fifteen years kissing and hugging and sleeping

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<v Speaker 2>real close on hot nights with a black black woman

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<v Speaker 2>or a white white woman. The white woman is Kate

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<v Speaker 2>Smith and the black woman is Lena Horn. So you're

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<v Speaker 2>not concerned with black or white anymore?

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<v Speaker 1>Are you? You are concerned with how cute or how pretty.

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<v Speaker 2>Then let's get basic and persecute ugly people.

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<v Speaker 1>What a fun bit. And for context in.

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<v Speaker 2>The joke, Kate Smith was a white singer who many

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<v Speaker 2>people thought was very unattractive, and Lena Horne was a

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<v Speaker 2>black actress and singer who was considered very attractive. And then,

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<v Speaker 2>of course Lenny Bruce. He used a lot of obscene

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<v Speaker 2>language and his bits, like one he had was take

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<v Speaker 2>away the right to say fuck, and you take away

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<v Speaker 2>the right to say fuck the government. So true, Lenny Bruce.

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<v Speaker 2>So yes, Lenny was skyrocketing to fame. But as he

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<v Speaker 2>was making his jokes being provocative, he was also getting

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<v Speaker 2>hooked on drugs.

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<v Speaker 1>In the fall of.

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<v Speaker 2>Nineteen sixty one, Bruce was thirty five and on September

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<v Speaker 2>twenty ninth, he was in Philadelphia. There he was arrested

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<v Speaker 2>for possessing narcotics, and that same week he got that

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<v Speaker 2>first obscenity arrest. So on October third and fourth, nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty one, he was performing at the Jazz Workshop, a

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<v Speaker 2>popular nightclub in San Francisco.

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<v Speaker 1>He was doing some of his usual bits.

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<v Speaker 2>One employed the word cocksucker, and then you guys aren't

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<v Speaker 2>going to be able to handle this. He started talking

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<v Speaker 2>about coming. You guys know coming what happens when you

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<v Speaker 2>have sex. Allegedly, he said two is a preposition come

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<v Speaker 2>is a verb, the verb intransitive. I've heard these two

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<v Speaker 2>words my whole adult life.

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<v Speaker 1>To come.

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<v Speaker 2>It's been like a big drum. So did you come?

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<v Speaker 2>Did you come good? Did you come good? Now, if

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<v Speaker 2>anyone in this room or the world finds these two

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<v Speaker 2>words decadent, obscene and moral a sexual, the words to

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<v Speaker 2>come really make you feel uncomfortable, you probably can't come,

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<v Speaker 2>and then you're of no use because the purpose of

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<v Speaker 2>life is to recreate it. The bits better when he

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<v Speaker 2>says it, I think it's funnier. I'm just I'm just

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<v Speaker 2>saying it, you know, But the whole thing anyway, both

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<v Speaker 2>nights of the Jazz Workshop, the audiences were rolling their

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<v Speaker 2>say and he he ha ha looel this is so good,

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<v Speaker 2>so fun, so provocative. Also, he just made a good

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<v Speaker 2>point about those who are uncomfortable about coming, they probably

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<v Speaker 2>can't come.

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<v Speaker 1>That's probably true.

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<v Speaker 2>But there was one person in the crowd who wasn't laughing,

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<v Speaker 2>and that was an undercover police officer of the San

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<v Speaker 2>Francisco Police Department. He was there to be the literal

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<v Speaker 2>fun police and see if Lenny Bruce said anything too

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<v Speaker 2>crazy and whoa with cocksucker with coming, He sure did

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<v Speaker 2>once he'd seen enough lewdness, this undercover cop left the

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<v Speaker 2>show to tell his sergeant, and this is what he

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<v Speaker 2>said about Lenny's show. Geez, you know, I can hardly

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<v Speaker 2>believe this myself. The man is up there on stage

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<v Speaker 2>and he's performing, and he's taken the term cocksucker and

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<v Speaker 2>using it. Wow, doesn't this guy seem like so much fun?

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<v Speaker 2>But anyway, the sergeant was like, I've heard enough, and

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<v Speaker 2>so he and the boys went down to the Jazz

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<v Speaker 2>Workshop and arrested Lenny Bruce for violating California's obscenity laws.

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<v Speaker 2>But don't worry, Lenny Bruce made bail and he got

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<v Speaker 2>out in time to perform his one AM show that night.

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<v Speaker 2>A month later, Lenny Bruce was on Try and in

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<v Speaker 2>his defense, he and his lawyer were like, Hey, you

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<v Speaker 2>got to look at the stand up set as a whole,

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<v Speaker 2>not just pick and choose obscene language, because if you

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<v Speaker 2>see it as the whole, it's important social satire. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>when Lenny say and cocksucker, it's for a very important

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<v Speaker 2>artistic and intellectual reason. They called witnesses to the stand

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<v Speaker 2>who are arts critics and literature professors who are like, yes,

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<v Speaker 2>he's doing important work. And the reason they made this

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<v Speaker 2>argument was because of this Supreme Court decision from nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>fifty seven Roth versus the United States, which basically said, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>if the work has social value, it's not obscene. The

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<v Speaker 2>jury side with Lenny Bruce on this one. But that

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<v Speaker 2>was just the beginning of his legal troubles. In nineteen

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<v Speaker 2>sixty two, Lenny Bruce was arrested twice, once in Los

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<v Speaker 2>Angeles and once in Chicago for violating obscenity laws.

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<v Speaker 1>He managed to beat.

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<v Speaker 2>The charges in LA but things did go his way

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<v Speaker 2>in Chicago, where he was convicted the following year. In

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty three, he was kicked out of England after

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<v Speaker 2>British authorities caught wind of some of the stuff he

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<v Speaker 2>said at a performance he did in London. Literally, they

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<v Speaker 2>seized him, took him to the airport, and deported his

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<v Speaker 2>ass Then in nineteen sixty four, Bruce's legal problems continued

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<v Speaker 2>when California authorities arrested him yet again, claiming he'd broken

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<v Speaker 2>the state's obscenity laws.

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<v Speaker 1>For a third time.

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<v Speaker 2>So at that point, Lenny Bruce was fed up with

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<v Speaker 2>California and a growing number of clubs and venues didn't

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<v Speaker 2>want to work with him, fearing legal action against them,

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<v Speaker 2>and along with dealing with these obscenity trials, Lennie Bruce

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<v Speaker 2>was still doing drugs. In nineteen sixty three, he was

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<v Speaker 2>confined to a rehab center for his drug addiction. But

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<v Speaker 2>in sixty four, Lenny Bruce decided to take his act

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<v Speaker 2>to the last bastion of free speech in the country,

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<v Speaker 2>New York City, Or at least that's what he thought,

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<v Speaker 2>because that same year he'd be arrested multiple times, and

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<v Speaker 2>that legal battle led to a swift decline of his health,

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<v Speaker 2>his well being, his money, and his career be right

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<v Speaker 2>back after these soothing advertisements. In nineteen sixty four, Lenny

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce was doing shows at Cafe O Go Go in

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<v Speaker 2>Greenwich Village to a three hundred and fifty capacity crowd,

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<v Speaker 2>most nights selling out. As I was saying earlier, Lenny

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't in great shape. He'd been strung through the ringer

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<v Speaker 2>with all these obscenity trials. He was getting older, he

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<v Speaker 2>was out of shape. He had his addictions to deal with.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also suffering with bouts of inflammation around the

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<v Speaker 2>lungs called pleurisy, which would make his chest hurt like

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<v Speaker 2>a motherfucker. Don't tell the State of California that I

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<v Speaker 2>said that. And unfortunately, New York City was gonna treat

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce just the same as California.

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<v Speaker 1>On March three first.

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<v Speaker 2>In April first, the New York City District Attorney's Office

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<v Speaker 2>sent some undercover agents to go spy on Lenny and

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<v Speaker 2>write down any offensive stuff he said. Lenny, being Lenny,

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<v Speaker 2>was doing some of his classic jokes, the hits.

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<v Speaker 1>You know. He did that coming joke.

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<v Speaker 2>He did another one called Infidelity, another one called red

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<v Speaker 2>hot Enema.

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<v Speaker 1>He also had a joke called Guyser Carnal.

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<v Speaker 2>And from these titles alone, you can imagine they might

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<v Speaker 2>be considered obscene by the nineteen sixty sensibility. Here's some

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<v Speaker 2>of the offensive stuff that one of the undercover agents

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<v Speaker 2>noted in his notebook. Lenny said things like jack me off,

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<v Speaker 2>nice tits, and go come in a chicken. The nice

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<v Speaker 2>tits was from a joke about Eleanor Roosevelt. He said,

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<v Speaker 2>Eleanor Roosevelt has the nicest tits of any lady in office.

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<v Speaker 2>He also had a bit called Pissing in the Sink.

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<v Speaker 2>The bit starts now, I wonder how many of you

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<v Speaker 2>and the audience have ever performed an unnatural act like

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<v Speaker 2>pissing in the sink? And it ends with I can't, Mama,

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<v Speaker 2>there are too many people looking.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't piss when all these people are looking so.

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<v Speaker 2>Want some water down there tun on the hoses. Can't

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<v Speaker 2>you see the boy wants to peepee? Comedy is amazing anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>So with all of these bits, Lenny Bruce got arrested

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<v Speaker 2>yet again on April third, nineteen sixty four. The charges

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<v Speaker 2>against Bruce focused on his use of vulgar language and

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<v Speaker 2>what authorities labeled in decent subject matter, and they particularly

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<v Speaker 2>focused on his criticisms of organized religion and the government.

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<v Speaker 2>He got out on bail the next day and returned

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<v Speaker 2>to the stage to a sold out crowd. He continued

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<v Speaker 2>performing for the next few days, and then on April seventh,

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<v Speaker 2>he was arrested again. The obscenity trial began on June sixteenth,

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<v Speaker 2>nineteen sixty four. It was postponed a few times because

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce had other trials to deal with and also

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<v Speaker 2>had some hospitalizations with his chest pain. In the meantime,

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<v Speaker 2>his arrest had become a focal point for debates on censorship,

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<v Speaker 2>as Lenny Bruce's defenders argued that his language was an

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<v Speaker 2>essential tool for challenging social.

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<v Speaker 1>Norms and hypocrisy.

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<v Speaker 2>A bunch of celebrities signed a petition in defensive Lady Bruce,

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<v Speaker 2>including Paul Newman, Bob Dylan, Susan Sontag, Elizabeth Taylor, and

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<v Speaker 2>she'd even beend the butt.

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<v Speaker 1>Of some of his jokes.

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<v Speaker 2>In this trial, Bruce had two lawyers, the renowned First

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<v Speaker 2>Amendment defender Eve from London and his protege Martin Garbis,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were going to do the same thing that

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce had been doing in his other trials, being like, hey,

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<v Speaker 2>according to Roth versus USA, if what you're saying has

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<v Speaker 2>a redeeming social value, it can't be considered obscene. But

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<v Speaker 2>the prosecutor was like, ugh, that's dumb. Bruce's show doesn't

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<v Speaker 2>have redeeming value.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh No.

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<v Speaker 2>In fact, the prosecutor said the show was nauseating word

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<v Speaker 2>pictures interspersed with all the three and four letter words

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<v Speaker 2>and more acrid ten and twelve letter hyphenated ones spewed

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<v Speaker 2>directly at the audience. I think he's just saying that

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce has a great vocabulary. The trial lasted almost

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<v Speaker 2>two months, and this one wasn't going to be determined

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<v Speaker 2>by a jury, but by a panel of three judges.

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<v Speaker 2>And the stakes, you know, they couldn't be higher. He

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<v Speaker 2>was there with three charges, each carrying a potential sentence

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<v Speaker 2>of three years in prison. Now Lenny, as I said,

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't doing too good. He wasn't in the best physical shape.

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<v Speaker 2>He was also losing a lot of money having to

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<v Speaker 2>defend himself at these trials. He was losing work. But

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<v Speaker 2>the bigger issue was that his bits were going to

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<v Speaker 2>be read aloud by one of the agents and the prosecutor.

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny was like, they're not going to be able to

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<v Speaker 2>deliver it correctly. He said, I'm going to be judged

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<v Speaker 2>by his bad timing, his ego, his garbled language. Lenny

0:22:40.485 --> 0:22:44.685
<v Speaker 2>Bruce's lawyers presented a lot of witnesses, psychiatrists who are like,

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<v Speaker 2>Bruce's stand up isn't obscene, as it's not sexually arousing.

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<v Speaker 2>They had media experts who are like, hey, people in

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<v Speaker 2>New York aren't offended by this stuff. There are intellectuals

0:22:55.005 --> 0:22:59.245
<v Speaker 2>and critics being like, oh, his work is literarily important.

0:22:59.725 --> 0:23:05.485
<v Speaker 2>One journalist even compared him to James Baldwin and Tennessee Williams.

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<v Speaker 2>Despite all of these witnesses, despite sighting Wroth versus the

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<v Speaker 2>United States, Lenny Bruce was found guilty, which, honestly, I

0:23:19.765 --> 0:23:21.685
<v Speaker 2>feel like it's not fair that he had those three

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<v Speaker 2>judges instead of like a jury.

0:23:24.565 --> 0:23:26.525
<v Speaker 1>I feel like he had a jury, they'd be like, oh, yeah, no,

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<v Speaker 1>his bits are great, it's fine.

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<v Speaker 2>And the punishment for his conviction, he was sentenced to

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<v Speaker 2>four months in a workhouse. This conviction took a heavy

0:23:38.965 --> 0:23:42.925
<v Speaker 2>toll on Lenny Bruce's career in health. These legal battles

0:23:42.965 --> 0:23:45.805
<v Speaker 2>had left him emotionally drained and, as I was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>also financially. In nineteen sixty five, he declared bankruptcy. He

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<v Speaker 2>appealed the verdict, but before a decision could be made,

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty six, he died of a morphine overdose.

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<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce's relentless fight against obscenity laws, however, had a profound.

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<v Speaker 1>Impact on American society.

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<v Speaker 2>Following his death, public sentiment began to shift toward greater

0:24:17.725 --> 0:24:24.045
<v Speaker 2>acceptance of controversial speech. Another comedian, Howard Solomon, was also

0:24:24.125 --> 0:24:27.525
<v Speaker 2>arrested at Cafe Gogo at the same time as Lenny Bruce,

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<v Speaker 2>and he was able to get his obscenity conviction reversed

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<v Speaker 2>in nineteen sixty eight. In nineteen seventy three, the Supreme

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<v Speaker 2>Court's decision in Miller versus California clarified the definition of obscenity,

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<v Speaker 2>establishing the Miller test to assess whether material had artistic, literary,

0:24:48.005 --> 0:24:51.885
<v Speaker 2>or political value, and if this criteria had existed during

0:24:51.965 --> 0:24:56.765
<v Speaker 2>Lenny Bruce's career, he might have been protected. Thirty seven

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<v Speaker 2>years after Lenny Bruce's death, on December twenty third, two

0:25:00.085 --> 0:25:06.125
<v Speaker 2>thousand and three, the New York Governor pardoned him. So, yeah,

0:25:06.125 --> 0:25:09.365
<v Speaker 2>he had a big, important legacy. And in comedy today

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<v Speaker 2>you can really say whatever you want comparatively to Lenny

0:25:13.765 --> 0:25:16.925
<v Speaker 2>Bruce's time, and it's nice not to be arrested.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean it also.

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<v Speaker 2>Opens the door for people like Tony Hinchcliff, where you

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<v Speaker 2>can be racist, homophobic, just a big old piece of

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<v Speaker 2>shit and still sell tickets. What a great artistic field,

0:25:31.245 --> 0:25:37.605
<v Speaker 2>you know, what high integrity stand up comedy has. But

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<v Speaker 2>here we are on American filth where every episode we

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<v Speaker 2>learn a lesson, and I think the lesson here is

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<v Speaker 2>perhaps comedians we should revisit Roth versus the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>the Supreme Court decision that built most of Lenny Bruce's defense,

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<v Speaker 2>and really ask ourselves when we comedians say something obscene, offensive,

0:25:58.485 --> 0:26:05.245
<v Speaker 2>or vulgar doesn't have a redeeming value, and if it doesn't,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, maybe you shouldn't say what you're thinking. Again

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<v Speaker 2>here I am trying to suppress people, but specifically Tony Hinchcliff.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe you should ask yourself.

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<v Speaker 2>Is calling Porto Rico a floating island of garbage helpful

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<v Speaker 2>to anyone at all?

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<v Speaker 1>Really?

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<v Speaker 2>In my opinion, the only floating island of garbage is

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<v Speaker 2>whatever Tony Hinchcliff and has killed. Tony Brethren, take a

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<v Speaker 2>swim in the sea.

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<v Speaker 1>Whoops. I have so many opinions this episode.

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