1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg Son On with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. 2 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,840 Speaker 1: I'm Jack Fitzpatrick, your host for the day. I was 3 00:00:12,000 --> 00:00:15,800 Speaker 1: just talking to Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano. Coming up, 4 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:19,639 Speaker 1: we're going to hear from Congressman Andy Levin. He's a 5 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:24,120 Speaker 1: Democrat from Michigan. A lot of news to discuss with 6 00:00:24,200 --> 00:00:27,600 Speaker 1: the congressman. Congressman, thank you so much for joining us. 7 00:00:27,800 --> 00:00:30,880 Speaker 1: I feel ridiculous leading with this, but Rick and Genie 8 00:00:30,920 --> 00:00:34,840 Speaker 1: and I were just discussing what is becoming the political 9 00:00:35,120 --> 00:00:40,440 Speaker 1: movement of hashtag free Brittany, all of the Washington discussion 10 00:00:40,880 --> 00:00:46,279 Speaker 1: about conservatorships, about apparently how little we know about how 11 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: many people are in conservatorships or guardianships around the country. 12 00:00:51,120 --> 00:00:53,239 Speaker 1: As as strange as it sounds, I have to ask, 13 00:00:53,280 --> 00:00:56,080 Speaker 1: have you heard about sort of the politically how how 14 00:00:56,120 --> 00:01:01,959 Speaker 1: familiar are you with free Brittany? Come on, Brittany is 15 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:06,039 Speaker 1: is a global figure. And when something that's common but 16 00:01:06,120 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: none of us know much about happens to somebody like that, 17 00:01:09,920 --> 00:01:15,959 Speaker 1: who can believe this woman generating way into adulthood, generating 18 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 1: millions of dollars, doesn't even have control over her own 19 00:01:19,440 --> 00:01:23,959 Speaker 1: life it's shocking, and then policymakers like me have to say, 20 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: wait a minute, what if that happens to a regular person. 21 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,319 Speaker 1: You know, we've got to make sure that that people 22 00:01:31,400 --> 00:01:34,840 Speaker 1: have control over their own lives when appropriate. So of 23 00:01:34,880 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: course I've heard of it. It's united all of us, 24 00:01:37,760 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: from the right to the left, or many of us anyway, 25 00:01:40,280 --> 00:01:44,000 Speaker 1: to say that we've got to let adults who are 26 00:01:44,040 --> 00:01:48,160 Speaker 1: fully capable of managing their own affairs do so. All right, well, 27 00:01:48,200 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 1: I will check in with We're gonna look up who 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,480 Speaker 1: is the chairman of the House of Britney Spears Caucus 29 00:01:54,560 --> 00:01:57,160 Speaker 1: and and see exactly where this goes. I don't mean 30 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,040 Speaker 1: to make light of it, you know, the more we 31 00:01:59,160 --> 00:02:02,200 Speaker 1: learn about it, it's uh, it's a it's a really 32 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 1: kind of depressing issue. But I had to bring it up. 33 00:02:05,600 --> 00:02:08,400 Speaker 1: I also have to bring up because you are from Michigan. 34 00:02:08,440 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: Before we get into all of the Washington news, you 35 00:02:11,520 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: guys are going through an interesting bit of redistricting, I believe, 36 00:02:16,720 --> 00:02:21,440 Speaker 1: partly because the Senate the census numbers came in late. 37 00:02:21,760 --> 00:02:26,040 Speaker 1: I know Michigan has one of those independent redistricting commissions. Uh, 38 00:02:26,080 --> 00:02:28,960 Speaker 1: and I heard the last i'd heard was that it 39 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: was rejected in terms of getting an extension on the 40 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: time to actually draw those maps by a court. Where 41 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: what's next in Michigan redistricting and where do we go 42 00:02:38,360 --> 00:02:42,600 Speaker 1: from here? Well, so you know, we know we've got 43 00:02:42,680 --> 00:02:45,119 Speaker 1: enough of the census numbers to know that Michigan will 44 00:02:45,160 --> 00:02:47,600 Speaker 1: lose a seat for sure. So in the US House, 45 00:02:47,840 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 1: from four team we have, now we'll go down to 46 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:53,360 Speaker 1: serve team and we may be the only state that's 47 00:02:53,400 --> 00:02:58,040 Speaker 1: losing a district. And for the first time switching over 48 00:02:58,120 --> 00:03:01,400 Speaker 1: to a citizen commission to draw the boundaries, which is great. 49 00:03:01,480 --> 00:03:05,560 Speaker 1: No more gerrymandering, you know, no more politicians picking their voters. 50 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,000 Speaker 1: Let the voters pick their elected officials. So that's great. 51 00:03:09,080 --> 00:03:12,799 Speaker 1: The problem is that the last president messed up the census, 52 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:17,000 Speaker 1: delayed it, tried to get his unconstitutional citizenship question, all 53 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:19,400 Speaker 1: that kind of stuff in there. And so the numbers 54 00:03:19,400 --> 00:03:22,080 Speaker 1: you're going to come in late, and we're not going 55 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:24,840 Speaker 1: to know what these new districts are for sure, probably 56 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:29,280 Speaker 1: until January. And so you know that's going to be 57 00:03:29,320 --> 00:03:32,639 Speaker 1: a very tight timetable for Michigan, but also for many 58 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:37,920 Speaker 1: other states as we prepare for the big midterm elections. Yeah, 59 00:03:37,960 --> 00:03:40,800 Speaker 1: I mean that is very late, and I don't know 60 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:44,680 Speaker 1: where where you stand on courts giving them more time 61 00:03:45,160 --> 00:03:47,320 Speaker 1: at a certain point. You know, how do you decide 62 00:03:47,320 --> 00:03:49,320 Speaker 1: to run for office, or how do you decide where 63 00:03:49,400 --> 00:03:52,680 Speaker 1: to run for office? How do you even research who 64 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,680 Speaker 1: you're a member of? Congress is going to be? Um, 65 00:03:55,720 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 1: what is there a hard deadline when the country essentially 66 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:04,120 Speaker 1: needs to have these maps absolutely ready to go? Well, 67 00:04:04,240 --> 00:04:06,680 Speaker 1: Jack's I mean, speaking as a lawyer, it's a little 68 00:04:06,720 --> 00:04:10,480 Speaker 1: bit of a tempest in a teapot about what just happened. Essentially, 69 00:04:10,520 --> 00:04:14,640 Speaker 1: the Citizen Commission in Michigan said, hey, you need to 70 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:19,080 Speaker 1: tell us right now that we have more time, because 71 00:04:19,080 --> 00:04:22,520 Speaker 1: it's like an impossible for us to meet the deadlines. 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,279 Speaker 1: And basically what the Michigan Supreme Court said was, well, 73 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: we don't give relief prospectively for something that didn't have 74 00:04:30,200 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 1: to be at So even though it's definite, it's gonna 75 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,239 Speaker 1: be definite that they can't meet their deadlines. The Supreme 76 00:04:36,240 --> 00:04:38,919 Speaker 1: Court did nect. I think when it comes down to it, 77 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 1: since they won't have the data at a time, they 78 00:04:41,600 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: will have to be allowed to take more time. I 79 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:46,839 Speaker 1: just don't think there's any practical way they can get 80 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:50,520 Speaker 1: it done before, certainly in December and probably January, and 81 00:04:50,600 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 1: so we're just gonna have to pivot with it. Some 82 00:04:53,400 --> 00:04:57,640 Speaker 1: of them are Michigan's primaries in early August. Some states, 83 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:00,839 Speaker 1: as you know, have primaries in June and even May, 84 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:03,120 Speaker 1: and so that's going to be even crazier. So it's 85 00:05:03,120 --> 00:05:05,279 Speaker 1: a it's a problem and we're just going to have 86 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:08,680 Speaker 1: to work super hard to overcome it. Well, this important 87 00:05:08,720 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: thing is we ought to get rid of partisan gerrymandering 88 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:13,880 Speaker 1: everywhere in this country. And that's what we do in 89 00:05:13,920 --> 00:05:16,719 Speaker 1: our For the People Act, which we passed in the 90 00:05:16,760 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: House and is sitting over there in the Senate, right. 91 00:05:19,160 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: I was, I was going to mention it. It's it's 92 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:22,599 Speaker 1: been a big you know, it was only a few 93 00:05:22,680 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: years ago, maybe two fifteen or so when the Supreme 94 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 1: Court ruled, uh, they are I believe Arizona was one 95 00:05:30,600 --> 00:05:33,560 Speaker 1: of the ones under question that they are constitutionally allowed. 96 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,919 Speaker 1: These independent redistricting commissions. Very notable that you all are 97 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,479 Speaker 1: are forcing pushing for that to be around the country. Um, 98 00:05:41,560 --> 00:05:45,159 Speaker 1: let's talk about other difficult deadlines though, because over in 99 00:05:45,160 --> 00:05:49,799 Speaker 1: the Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer is pushing for action 100 00:05:49,920 --> 00:05:52,800 Speaker 1: on the infrastructure and the three and a half trillion 101 00:05:52,839 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: dollar reconciliation measure with all their other economic priorities by 102 00:05:57,720 --> 00:06:01,360 Speaker 1: Wednesday of next week. And I'm aious for you as 103 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:05,719 Speaker 1: a House member, as a member of the progressive caucus, 104 00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:11,200 Speaker 1: do you feel that Pelosi, the Speaker, Pelosi is solidly 105 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:16,640 Speaker 1: on progressive side when progressives such as Alexandria Cassio Corte 106 00:06:17,080 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 1: Cortez say we need that three and a half trillion 107 00:06:20,360 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 1: dollar measure also or else we don't know that we 108 00:06:22,920 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 1: can support the infrastructure bill, how how do you address 109 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:28,000 Speaker 1: the way those two have been tied together? And is 110 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:33,039 Speaker 1: Pelosi solidly on progressive side on this? Nancy Pelosi is 111 00:06:33,200 --> 00:06:36,479 Speaker 1: solidly on the side that we must have both. But 112 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 1: you know, it's it's kind of simple in a way, right. 113 00:06:39,720 --> 00:06:43,960 Speaker 1: The more moderate folks are especially excited about the bipartisan 114 00:06:44,040 --> 00:06:48,240 Speaker 1: deal that the President struck for infrastructure. I'm for that too, 115 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:53,120 Speaker 1: But then the president's own plan, right, his American Job Plan, 116 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,040 Speaker 1: American Famili's Plan, called for something much bigger than that, 117 00:06:57,480 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: And what the Senate budget proposal does is essentially completes 118 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 1: what the President wanted to get done. So, of course 119 00:07:05,800 --> 00:07:09,320 Speaker 1: we progressives are saying we must have both together, and 120 00:07:09,360 --> 00:07:12,480 Speaker 1: so we've got a very complicated jack. But we are 121 00:07:12,520 --> 00:07:14,760 Speaker 1: going to have to figure out how to get the 122 00:07:14,800 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: bipartisan in you know, sort of basic old fashioned infrastructure 123 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: thing done, but also do the thing that delivers universal 124 00:07:23,520 --> 00:07:28,320 Speaker 1: childcare and free community college and two years of tuition 125 00:07:28,360 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 1: and fee free at historically black colleges and universities, and 126 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:34,640 Speaker 1: a lot of climate change stuff, you know, many other 127 00:07:34,720 --> 00:07:38,920 Speaker 1: things that will really transform our economy and and make 128 00:07:38,960 --> 00:07:41,160 Speaker 1: it more just. I think it will cause a big 129 00:07:41,200 --> 00:07:43,040 Speaker 1: boom in this country if we can get this done, 130 00:07:43,040 --> 00:07:44,840 Speaker 1: and I think we will get it done. Well, the 131 00:07:44,840 --> 00:07:47,800 Speaker 1: more we hear about what Democrats want to accomplish before 132 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: August recess, the more I think it's going to be 133 00:07:50,840 --> 00:07:53,760 Speaker 1: a very very busy next couple of weeks and or 134 00:07:54,040 --> 00:07:57,040 Speaker 1: just a delayed August recess. Um I want to touch that. 135 00:07:57,160 --> 00:07:59,120 Speaker 1: Let me just let me just say that all we're 136 00:07:59,160 --> 00:08:03,240 Speaker 1: trying to do or against July is get the budget 137 00:08:03,320 --> 00:08:07,400 Speaker 1: resolution past and then all the details of the actual 138 00:08:07,480 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 1: reconciliation package has to go through our legislative committees in September. 139 00:08:12,240 --> 00:08:14,840 Speaker 1: But go ahead, UM, I want to touch me, especially 140 00:08:14,840 --> 00:08:16,920 Speaker 1: because you're on foreign affairs on a couple of the 141 00:08:17,160 --> 00:08:21,720 Speaker 1: biggest stories recently, one on Hong Kong, on the president's 142 00:08:22,000 --> 00:08:25,080 Speaker 1: warning to companies about operating in Hong Kong and the 143 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 1: risks associated with the Chinese government. Is there another shoe 144 00:08:30,680 --> 00:08:35,080 Speaker 1: to drop in your opinion, it was that warning effective 145 00:08:35,440 --> 00:08:38,240 Speaker 1: or or what else should we watch from either Congress 146 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:39,600 Speaker 1: or is there anything you'd like to see from the 147 00:08:39,600 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 1: executive branch pushing back on some of the issues in 148 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:48,520 Speaker 1: terms of Beijing. Uh, Beijing's influence in Hong Kong and 149 00:08:48,640 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 1: business is business is practicing there? Well, I think that 150 00:08:53,400 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: the what the announcement this week's acknowledge was simply reality. 151 00:08:58,080 --> 00:09:02,600 Speaker 1: I mean, the you know, the the two systems policy 152 00:09:02,640 --> 00:09:05,560 Speaker 1: that Britain and China negotiated was supposed to go to 153 00:09:07,360 --> 00:09:11,360 Speaker 1: and then in China passed this security law that has 154 00:09:11,520 --> 00:09:15,960 Speaker 1: effectively ended it. So I think the United States really 155 00:09:16,040 --> 00:09:19,160 Speaker 1: China faces a choice. Do they want Hong Kong to 156 00:09:19,280 --> 00:09:23,400 Speaker 1: remain a global financial center that's sort of a link 157 00:09:23,480 --> 00:09:27,000 Speaker 1: between China and the world, or do they want to 158 00:09:27,040 --> 00:09:30,760 Speaker 1: continue down this road which they are well along of 159 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:34,000 Speaker 1: turning Hong Kong just into another part of China, and 160 00:09:34,040 --> 00:09:37,120 Speaker 1: if they do that, American businesses are not going to 161 00:09:37,280 --> 00:09:39,160 Speaker 1: be able to ower any others. They're they're just not 162 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,160 Speaker 1: gonna be able to operate in Hong Kong the way 163 00:09:41,200 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: they have for all these years. And and so yeah, 164 00:09:44,600 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: it's it's you know, stay tuned. It could be trouble 165 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: for businesses. One other area of the world I believe 166 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: you have focused on, at least in the past is Haiti. 167 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,240 Speaker 1: Uh And I'm curious after the President said he had 168 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:03,040 Speaker 1: sent marines to the US embassy for security, but it 169 00:10:03,040 --> 00:10:07,040 Speaker 1: sounds like they are not plans for real troop level there. 170 00:10:07,760 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 1: What what do you think needs to happen for sufficient 171 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:14,160 Speaker 1: security in Haiti? If you could give me maybe a 172 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,680 Speaker 1: twenty or thirty second answer. Yeah, Look, we've sent the 173 00:10:17,720 --> 00:10:20,199 Speaker 1: Marines into Haiti in the past, and it's never done 174 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:22,200 Speaker 1: any good for the Haitian people. We need to make 175 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 1: sure our own facilities are secure, as the President has 176 00:10:25,760 --> 00:10:28,280 Speaker 1: But then Jack, we need to turn to listening to 177 00:10:28,400 --> 00:10:33,760 Speaker 1: Haitian civil society, the churches, the businesses, the unions, the educators, 178 00:10:33,760 --> 00:10:36,679 Speaker 1: the health care sector, the steven rights groups, the bar association. 179 00:10:37,080 --> 00:10:40,040 Speaker 1: They're meeting, they're coming up with a Haitian solution, and 180 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:42,760 Speaker 1: we ought to support them to return to democracy in 181 00:10:42,760 --> 00:10:45,400 Speaker 1: a real way. There. Congressman, thank you so much for 182 00:10:45,480 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 1: joining us.