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Speaker 1: opened this episode with something that might kind of sound

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Speaker 1: Why are you doing? Meg? Ryan has like a loud

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Speaker 1: up on the subreddit and be real? Okay, first of

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Speaker 1: We're going to have to have a meeting. We have

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Speaker 1: so many meetings. Um, isn't this the intervention? I thought

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Speaker 1: All I've got is my nine um boy. Margaret kill

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Speaker 1: Joy Behind the Bastards Podcast Margaret host Cool People who

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Speaker 1: did cool stuff and live like the world is dying,

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Speaker 1: author of We Won't Be Here tomorrow. See that's how

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Speaker 1: you fucking and so you do an introduction? Alright, can

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Speaker 1: do it when I want to? Margaret? Yeah, now, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: is it not true that you are currently crashing in

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Speaker 1: my house? Uh? I plead that? No? Yeah I am Yeah.

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Speaker 1: How's that? How's that going? Did did we or did

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Speaker 1: this absolutely amazing. Is it all so true that we

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Speaker 1: got to hang on it? It was super fun? I

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Speaker 1: West Coast and watching Robert by a very large sword

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Speaker 1: and being kind of jealous. That's essentially the standard practice here. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I wanted you to buy a large sword so that

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Speaker 1: really nice, like handmade woolen cowl. You did? It is

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Speaker 1: a nice cow? Yeah, it is a nice cow. Your

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Speaker 1: cow will keep you warmer than my sword. Yea. Though

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Speaker 1: if we're attacked by saracens, then who's got the advantage. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's true, that's right, that's right. UM, possibly still you,

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Speaker 1: depending on what kind of year it happens. So, Margaret,

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Speaker 1: I am, among other things, having to rejigger the script

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Speaker 1: whole time as Nigrid K. Even though I have been

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Speaker 1: too many play is that our keys? And I know

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Speaker 1: it's supposed to be pronounced key, I still called it

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Speaker 1: it feels like an affront. How is it spelled c

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Speaker 1: A y huh? So like the Florida keys are spelled No,

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Speaker 1: tumatic war machine geared towards destroying the Mirriam Webster dictionary

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Speaker 1: thing Peter and igerd named after himself. His fashion company,

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Speaker 1: the Masquerade tonight. Like he looks like he's doing vampire LARPing,

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Speaker 1: I came down here and there's no walls between the bedrooms.

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Speaker 1: I've never actually seen walls in a bedroom. Um. Peter

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Speaker 1: then committed the kind of crimes that make God damn

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Speaker 1: who knows what went down. It is always possible, as

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Speaker 1: was sometimes the case with Epstein, that a lot of

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Speaker 1: these famous guests were not introduced to anything illegal at

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Speaker 1: Niagard's compound. Right, you can bring in a lot of

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Speaker 1: young adult women for parties and a lot of well

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Speaker 1: that's probably the smarter thing to do, especially since George

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Speaker 1: likely for Niagard than for Epstein. Um. While the deceased

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Speaker 1: financier made much of his fortune and reputation from providing

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Speaker 1: Niagard was more into celebrities as far as we know,

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Speaker 1: that the fucking Niagard key too. Don't go to get

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Speaker 1: that's that's boy. I never even thought of that one.

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Speaker 1: That's a new one for me. Yeah, be a misogynist,

426
00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:30,960
Speaker 1: that is. That is certainly not a thing that I

427
00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:35,359
Speaker 1: had heard about a person doing before. Um, although I

428
00:23:35,359 --> 00:23:37,879
Speaker 1: guess I'm not. Again, he's like the sleazier version of

429
00:23:37,920 --> 00:23:42,239
Speaker 1: more famous guys. He's like Jeffrey Epstein, but without like

430
00:23:42,359 --> 00:23:46,679
Speaker 1: the veneer of philanthropy. He's he's Peter Teal, but without

431
00:23:46,760 --> 00:23:51,040
Speaker 1: like the image of of of Wall Street cunning. Um like,

432
00:23:51,160 --> 00:23:53,159
Speaker 1: he's he's all of these He's he's all of the

433
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:56,360
Speaker 1: worst aspects of all of the rich demons who infest

434
00:23:56,400 --> 00:24:01,200
Speaker 1: our world. It's kind of amazing, actually, Um. Yeah, but

435
00:24:01,800 --> 00:24:06,800
Speaker 1: you know who's not the ARCon of the darkest parts

436
00:24:07,480 --> 00:24:13,919
Speaker 1: of wealth Anderson. That is correct. Anderson doesn't even know

437
00:24:13,960 --> 00:24:17,720
Speaker 1: what a stem cell is. She does not honestly not

438
00:24:17,800 --> 00:24:22,439
Speaker 1: really doesn't really know what Ukraine is. Mm hmmm. I

439
00:24:22,480 --> 00:24:27,679
Speaker 1: don't think dogs recognize geographical boundaries. Yeah, well, actually they

440
00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,359
Speaker 1: kind of do. I did. I did. If you take

441
00:24:30,400 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: them on walks around the edge of Ukraine, they know

442
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:34,639
Speaker 1: not to leave your Craine. Did she did? Kind of

443
00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: just whisper, you know, fuck Vladimir Putin under her breath.

444
00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:41,680
Speaker 1: But well, that could be about a number of things. Yeah,

445
00:24:42,200 --> 00:24:44,199
Speaker 1: I think we should all mold this over while we

446
00:24:44,320 --> 00:24:48,959
Speaker 1: let these ads soothe our tired souls. Yeah, Anderson, tell

447
00:24:49,040 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: us what you think, all right, and we're back. Oh man,

448
00:24:58,359 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 1: Anderson had a really good joke. She did? She did?

449
00:25:01,400 --> 00:25:03,480
Speaker 1: I think that might get you canceled in some parts

450
00:25:03,520 --> 00:25:07,399
Speaker 1: of Twitter. But then then then you can get a

451
00:25:07,560 --> 00:25:11,080
Speaker 1: Netflix special where you really lean into it and eventually

452
00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,680
Speaker 1: get paid twenty five million dollars to do another Netflix

453
00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:18,199
Speaker 1: special about what a brave truth teller you are. Yeah,

454
00:25:18,560 --> 00:25:22,359
Speaker 1: this is how Sophie and finally retire. Um, I mean,

455
00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:27,119
Speaker 1: Howson shares. Yeah, it's here. We should probably deal with

456
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: some very sketchy aspects of the story because two of

457
00:25:30,400 --> 00:25:32,680
Speaker 1: the women who spoke with The Times and accused nigrative

458
00:25:32,760 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: sexual assault have now recanted their claims. Now, obviously, this

459
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 1: comes after ten other unidentified women filed a federal lawsuit

460
00:25:40,520 --> 00:25:43,840
Speaker 1: in against Niagard, which prompted an FBI rate on his

461
00:25:43,880 --> 00:25:47,320
Speaker 1: Manhattan office and eventually his arrest. Again, none of this

462
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:51,560
Speaker 1: should state too like muddy the waters of the overall

463
00:25:51,600 --> 00:25:53,760
Speaker 1: allegations against him. It just makes it kind of hard

464
00:25:53,800 --> 00:25:57,439
Speaker 1: to know the specifics in certain cases. Um. While the

465
00:25:57,480 --> 00:25:59,760
Speaker 1: Times reporting still holds up, they spoke with more than

466
00:25:59,800 --> 00:26:01,800
Speaker 1: a US and other women who have not recanted. I

467
00:26:01,800 --> 00:26:03,640
Speaker 1: would be responsible not to note that the two women

468
00:26:03,680 --> 00:26:05,680
Speaker 1: who recanted claim we were paid to live by Ross

469
00:26:06,240 --> 00:26:09,080
Speaker 1: um Ros denied this and took a polygraph test, which

470
00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,080
Speaker 1: does not particularly mean much to me either way. Yeah,

471
00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,720
Speaker 1: but it's a profoundly messy case, and this is due

472
00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:17,439
Speaker 1: in large part to a bit of the story that

473
00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,680
Speaker 1: we have not talked about yet, Margaret, the decade long

474
00:26:20,760 --> 00:26:24,480
Speaker 1: turf war between Peter Niagart and his neighbor, a billionaire,

475
00:26:24,760 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 1: which is ultimately what helped to bring him down. So

476
00:26:28,840 --> 00:26:31,880
Speaker 1: we're past the bad parts the well, it's all bad,

477
00:26:31,920 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 1: but we're past the parts that are like soul crushing.

478
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: And now we're into the part where two rich guys

479
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:39,919
Speaker 1: destroy each other, or at least one rich guy destroys another.

480
00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,560
Speaker 1: Either way, it's fun. Um. So the community that Niagard

481
00:26:43,560 --> 00:26:45,159
Speaker 1: lived in, as we've mentioned a couple of times, it's

482
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:48,400
Speaker 1: called Lyfford Key. It was created as a planned community

483
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,640
Speaker 1: for the uber rich by ep Taylor, the Canadian beer

484
00:26:51,680 --> 00:26:56,199
Speaker 1: brewing millionaire. Taylor planned Lyfford as a winter community and

485
00:26:56,240 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: built his dream out of a three thousand acre plot

486
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:02,480
Speaker 1: formerly owned by Sir Harold Christie. The manners that were

487
00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,639
Speaker 1: constructed for the first wave of owners in the fifties

488
00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:08,640
Speaker 1: and sixties had names like tra La Lah Safari, tea

489
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:13,240
Speaker 1: Time and out of bounds. So I suspect some sex

490
00:27:13,280 --> 00:27:16,000
Speaker 1: crime stuff might have been happening in Lyfford Key prior

491
00:27:16,080 --> 00:27:22,119
Speaker 1: to um. In nineteen sixty two, when JFK flew to

492
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,920
Speaker 1: the Bahamas to talk with British Prime Minister Harold McMillan,

493
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:29,360
Speaker 1: they both stayed in Lyfford Key at probably a tral

494
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:33,480
Speaker 1: law or maybe it out of bounds. So did at

495
00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:37,080
Speaker 1: varying points in this period in Reford the second Aga

496
00:27:37,200 --> 00:27:40,720
Speaker 1: con the fourth the Prince of Monaco, and Sean Connery,

497
00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:43,600
Speaker 1: who went on to own a home there. The Hinzes

498
00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,399
Speaker 1: and the Melon family also had homes there. It was

499
00:27:46,440 --> 00:27:49,080
Speaker 1: a veritable who's who of the bluest bloods in the

500
00:27:49,119 --> 00:27:51,840
Speaker 1: world and a handful of celebrities for good measure, but

501
00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:54,000
Speaker 1: celebrities like Sean Connery who were like at least of

502
00:27:54,040 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: a certain level. You know, So why the Great Lakes

503
00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:01,560
Speaker 1: because I have this other idea. Okay, um, if all

504
00:28:01,640 --> 00:28:04,440
Speaker 1: of the who's who are and anyway, so please continue.

505
00:28:05,040 --> 00:28:07,360
Speaker 1: I think we dropped them in the Great Lakes kind

506
00:28:07,359 --> 00:28:09,840
Speaker 1: of like like George C. Scott at the end of

507
00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:12,280
Speaker 1: that movie where they're with they're hugging the bombs, but

508
00:28:12,480 --> 00:28:17,680
Speaker 1: they're not. They're not on there by choice. Intercontinental Billionaire missiles. Yeah, exactly,

509
00:28:17,760 --> 00:28:21,520
Speaker 1: exactly that way. The president really thinks before he fires them,

510
00:28:21,640 --> 00:28:25,919
Speaker 1: hopefully not too hard. Um, yeah, but it's time. So

511
00:28:26,280 --> 00:28:30,879
Speaker 1: at first, Lifeford Key is like classy and pretty high profile, right,

512
00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:34,440
Speaker 1: those are not little names, the Melons, the fucking uh

513
00:28:34,600 --> 00:28:39,280
Speaker 1: Carnegie fans like those are. Those are significant fortunes. But

514
00:28:39,440 --> 00:28:41,480
Speaker 1: things started to change kind of as the years went on.

515
00:28:41,520 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 1: And I'm gonna quote from Vanity Fair here. Today's roster

516
00:28:44,520 --> 00:28:47,800
Speaker 1: is sleepy by comparison, aside from Sean Connery, who nearly

517
00:28:47,840 --> 00:28:50,600
Speaker 1: half a dozen James Bonds ago shot Thunderball in several

518
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: of their films. Here there are scores of semi anonymous

519
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: businessmen or their progeny. Bacon and Nygard's neighbors prefer to

520
00:28:57,000 --> 00:29:00,320
Speaker 1: keep a low profile. Count and Countess de Ravenel of Ants,

521
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 1: the resilient reinsurance magnate Antonio Braga, Jane Lewis, the wife

522
00:29:05,080 --> 00:29:08,200
Speaker 1: of the English inventor Joe Lewis. It's quiet money, says

523
00:29:08,280 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 1: David McLoughlin, a New York financier, second generation Lyford and

524
00:29:12,240 --> 00:29:15,240
Speaker 1: chairman of the Lyfford K Club. Long before the Puddle,

525
00:29:15,440 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: Nigard clashed stylistically with much of the Glyfford k establishment.

526
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: He threw a lot of parties and was always doing construction,

527
00:29:22,040 --> 00:29:24,680
Speaker 1: and that puddle is kind of the beginning of an

528
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: issue between him and his neighbor, a guy named Bacon,

529
00:29:27,680 --> 00:29:30,160
Speaker 1: We're going to talk about in a bit. But Nigard

530
00:29:30,280 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: is kind of for these blue bloods who are again

531
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:36,600
Speaker 1: quiet money, Nigard is a nightmare for them. He's got

532
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:40,000
Speaker 1: about eight hundred million dollars in personal wealth um and

533
00:29:40,040 --> 00:29:42,200
Speaker 1: he's got a couple of us presidents who's at least

534
00:29:42,200 --> 00:29:44,760
Speaker 1: friendly with. So he's too rich and powerful to force

535
00:29:44,800 --> 00:29:47,080
Speaker 1: out right, you can't kick this guy out of your

536
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:51,000
Speaker 1: fancy rich people community. But he's also he's like gross, right,

537
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,920
Speaker 1: Like he's not These guys are all doing sketchy ship,

538
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:56,880
Speaker 1: but they're not doing sketchy ship in their fake Mayan

539
00:29:56,960 --> 00:30:02,880
Speaker 1: temples wearing fucking electric blue uh spandex body suits or whatever.

540
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:06,360
Speaker 1: They paid extra for walls. Yeah, they have walls in

541
00:30:06,400 --> 00:30:11,960
Speaker 1: their bedrooms where they're also I'm sure committing crimes. Um.

542
00:30:12,000 --> 00:30:14,840
Speaker 1: But yeah, so he's hated. He's denied entrance to the

543
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: Lifford k Club, which is a golf Yeah, right, they

544
00:30:18,600 --> 00:30:21,600
Speaker 1: won't they won't let him in the club. Um and

545
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:24,240
Speaker 1: uh yeah. Most of his neighbors insists he clashed with

546
00:30:24,320 --> 00:30:27,200
Speaker 1: them from the start, but Nigrated is adamant that everything

547
00:30:27,280 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: was fine with him and his neighbors until he met

548
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:34,760
Speaker 1: his next door neighbor Louis Bacon. Now Louis Bacon is

549
00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,120
Speaker 1: a New York City hedge fund billionaire in most one

550
00:30:38,120 --> 00:30:40,080
Speaker 1: of the most addictive forms of food. Yeah, he did.

551
00:30:40,120 --> 00:30:45,280
Speaker 1: He did create bacon um after inventing the pig, which

552
00:30:45,360 --> 00:30:48,240
Speaker 1: previously a lot of people don't know this, but prior

553
00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,280
Speaker 1: to his invention of the pig, all pigs had actually

554
00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 1: been ducks. Um, that's the way it worked. Look it up,

555
00:30:55,960 --> 00:31:01,240
Speaker 1: Google it on Wikipedia, dot in carter um. So obviously

556
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,520
Speaker 1: Niggard incorrectly gets referred to as a billionaire a lot

557
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,560
Speaker 1: he's not. I think he tops out like seven fifty

558
00:31:06,600 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 1: million dollars, which is still quite a fortune. But Bacon

559
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:12,760
Speaker 1: is a real billionaire, like he's he's actually got more

560
00:31:12,800 --> 00:31:15,600
Speaker 1: than a billion dollars, and he's widely seen as one

561
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:18,400
Speaker 1: of the most powerful men in the financial industry. Right

562
00:31:18,440 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: Like he's I'm sure he's got even more than that

563
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:22,280
Speaker 1: now because it's been a good couple of years for

564
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:27,360
Speaker 1: the finance industry. Um. The two men have very different personalities. Well,

565
00:31:27,440 --> 00:31:30,800
Speaker 1: Niagard is showy and ostentatious and like these big, lavish,

566
00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:35,800
Speaker 1: gross parties. Bacon is quiet and comparatively introverted. His main

567
00:31:35,960 --> 00:31:39,320
Speaker 1: interest outside of his job seems to be hunting. Um.

568
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:41,000
Speaker 1: And he's one of those hunters who raises a lot

569
00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:43,959
Speaker 1: of money for conservation, right, Like, he pays to protect

570
00:31:44,040 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 1: a lot of lands and stuff and all that good

571
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:48,520
Speaker 1: things so he can go shoot birds on it. Or whatever.

572
00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:51,200
Speaker 1: So he's about to go. Since he's about to go

573
00:31:51,240 --> 00:31:54,480
Speaker 1: to war with Niagard, who's an actual monster, it would

574
00:31:54,520 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: be easy to portray Bacon as a hero. Obviously, I

575
00:31:57,240 --> 00:31:59,200
Speaker 1: don't think he is. He's a man who got wealthy

576
00:31:59,280 --> 00:32:01,680
Speaker 1: running hedge fund, which is generally not a business I

577
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 1: find particularly ethical. But I don't think there's any evidence,

578
00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,040
Speaker 1: um and I. In fact, I think it's probably unlikely

579
00:32:08,080 --> 00:32:11,240
Speaker 1: that he's any kind of systemic, systematic sexual predator or

580
00:32:11,280 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 1: abuser of his employees. Um and I think it's particularly

581
00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 1: unlikely because Peter Niager tried desperately to dig up like

582
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:21,640
Speaker 1: dirt st and like the thing he wound up finding

583
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 1: is that like one of his ancient ancestors a long

584
00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:27,960
Speaker 1: time ago was like a klansman, but he had another

585
00:32:28,000 --> 00:32:31,080
Speaker 1: ancestor who fought for the Union against the Confederacy. So

586
00:32:31,160 --> 00:32:33,600
Speaker 1: it's like this whole like yeah, yeah, is he probably

587
00:32:33,640 --> 00:32:35,200
Speaker 1: had a bunch of rich guys in his family and

588
00:32:35,200 --> 00:32:37,600
Speaker 1: then in all sorts of ship I don't know, he

589
00:32:37,640 --> 00:32:40,000
Speaker 1: didn't find any evidence that this guy had done anything

590
00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,400
Speaker 1: like the things that Nigert had done, right, um, So

591
00:32:44,440 --> 00:32:47,720
Speaker 1: obviously by comparison, he does look quite good. The two

592
00:32:47,760 --> 00:32:50,760
Speaker 1: had problems over a shared roadway, and like there's this

593
00:32:50,800 --> 00:32:52,840
Speaker 1: fucking puddle as a result of like this kind of

594
00:32:52,840 --> 00:32:55,280
Speaker 1: thing that's in between their properties, and upkeep on. It's

595
00:32:55,280 --> 00:33:00,440
Speaker 1: a little bit unclear. Um, libertarian assholes are for shared

596
00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:04,360
Speaker 1: infrastructure right right, exactly, Um, And this is just kind

597
00:33:04,360 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: of them bickering over this kind of thing between their

598
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:10,320
Speaker 1: two properties until in two thousand five, Nigrit attempts to

599
00:33:10,360 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 1: add parking to his property by laying a fifteen by

600
00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 1: twenty ft slab on the property line, specifically Bacon side

601
00:33:17,840 --> 00:33:24,120
Speaker 1: of the property line. Now, now you're fucked up, Peter.

602
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,960
Speaker 1: All all of the sex crimes, all of the horrible

603
00:33:28,080 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: violence that you've done to at this point. I mean,

604
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:33,400
Speaker 1: the allegations are hundreds and hundreds of women like wearing

605
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:37,360
Speaker 1: a thousand um, none of that got you in trouble.

606
00:33:37,760 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: But you're fucked with a rich guy's property line. I

607
00:33:42,440 --> 00:33:45,920
Speaker 1: can't even imagine if if I had this kind of money,

608
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,880
Speaker 1: I would not live in such a way that neighbors

609
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:53,200
Speaker 1: would exist, right, What the funk? Man? Like, how are you?

610
00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:56,120
Speaker 1: How do you have this much money? And he says

611
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,320
Speaker 1: it's because it's the most beautiful place in the world.

612
00:33:58,400 --> 00:34:00,720
Speaker 1: It's like, I'm sure mohammas are very pretty, but there's

613
00:34:00,760 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 1: other islands. May seven fifty million dollars. You can make

614
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 1: it work. Um, what is wrong with you? Vanity fair

615
00:34:08,680 --> 00:34:12,120
Speaker 1: rights quote. Bacon responded by suing Niagard and obtaining a

616
00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: court injunction to remove it. Two years later, Bacon dealt

617
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,840
Speaker 1: with his long standing irritation with the noise from Niagard's

618
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,960
Speaker 1: parties by installing industrial grade speakers at the edge of

619
00:34:21,000 --> 00:34:23,160
Speaker 1: his land and pointing them at niagard Key at night.

620
00:34:23,680 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: We hired a sound consultant in the UK to see

621
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:28,000
Speaker 1: if we could somehow muffle the sound from Niagard's by

622
00:34:28,000 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: omitting a counter sound, but that proved terribly complicated, so

623
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:34,080
Speaker 1: we went and got four huge rock concert speakers to

624
00:34:34,120 --> 00:34:38,000
Speaker 1: play something loud. In response, Bacon's architect, Peter Talty, says

625
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:40,960
Speaker 1: it was horrible, squawking sounds that would drive you out

626
00:34:41,000 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: of your mind. Says Eric Gibson, Niagard's former property manager.

627
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,800
Speaker 1: In illegal filing, Niagard's lawyer characterized them as military grade

628
00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:53,200
Speaker 1: speakers that blared dangerous, pain inducing sound waves towards Mr

629
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:56,319
Speaker 1: Niagard's home. It was supposed to create white noise on

630
00:34:56,400 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 1: my side, but that didn't work. Bacon says what it

631
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:05,960
Speaker 1: did to his side wasn't really interested in. Honestly, that's

632
00:35:06,000 --> 00:35:10,640
Speaker 1: pretty cool. That's pretty cool. Um. And also what a

633
00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:16,080
Speaker 1: whiney baby Peter military grade speakers come on? Man, like

634
00:35:16,200 --> 00:35:18,719
Speaker 1: fucking a higher I don't know what's a kind of

635
00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: band A guy who looks like him would probably listen to.

636
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,160
Speaker 1: Besides Jimmy Buffett. Yeah, I hired Jimmy Buffett to come

637
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,880
Speaker 1: play a counter sound. You can, you can afford it. Um. No,

638
00:35:29,000 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: Jimmy Buffett would never work with this man. Um. He's

639
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,919
Speaker 1: He's a fundamentally moral actor. That's that's what I choose

640
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:41,800
Speaker 1: to believe about James Buffett. Um. As a conservationist, Bacon

641
00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:44,080
Speaker 1: was also enraged at the fact that Niagaret had started

642
00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,839
Speaker 1: dredging up sand from the sea floor and moving it

643
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 1: to physically expand the size of his property. He's making

644
00:35:51,040 --> 00:35:54,399
Speaker 1: his chunk on the islands bigger by stealing the sea

645
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:59,560
Speaker 1: the bottom of the sea. He kept a suction dredge

646
00:35:59,560 --> 00:36:03,160
Speaker 1: on a float platform, destroying underwater habitat and adding to

647
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,879
Speaker 1: his coastline. Every day and the time he lived there,

648
00:36:05,880 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: Peter expanded his property from three point to five to

649
00:36:08,640 --> 00:36:13,200
Speaker 1: six point one acres, destroying eighty four thousand square meters

650
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:17,640
Speaker 1: of sea floor in the process. I know, such a

651
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 1: weird crime, Peter, just buy a different spot. I know, unbelievable.

652
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,240
Speaker 1: A local ecologist interviewed in two thousand fifteen by Vanity

653
00:36:29,320 --> 00:36:33,480
Speaker 1: Fair says the environmental damage was extensive. Niger, to counter this,

654
00:36:33,600 --> 00:36:35,719
Speaker 1: pointed to a study that he paid the commission that

655
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: said it was all fine. Again, these are rich guy crimes, right,

656
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:42,160
Speaker 1: So you don't just fuck the sea floor up. You

657
00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: pay a scientist to say it's okay. Um, just to

658
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: building stock systems like build a yeah, beautiful weird shanty

659
00:36:51,160 --> 00:36:53,759
Speaker 1: town on. But I don't know whatever. You have a

660
00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:57,120
Speaker 1: number of options with all of that money. Peter Bacon,

661
00:36:57,160 --> 00:37:00,560
Speaker 1: who was also influential with the local government, brought their

662
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,680
Speaker 1: attention to the matter. Inspections and injunctions and all sorts

663
00:37:03,680 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: of unpleasant legal ship followed. They're kind of it's my

664
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:09,960
Speaker 1: opinion that they're kind of bribing and counter bribing the

665
00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 1: local government right now. This was more or less the

666
00:37:13,360 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 1: situation in two thousand nine, when an accidental electrical fire

667
00:37:17,280 --> 00:37:21,920
Speaker 1: destroyed a lot of Niagrid key, including Peter's Biggest Stupidest pyramid.

668
00:37:22,480 --> 00:37:25,520
Speaker 1: This was a problem, but one well within Peter's financial

669
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,800
Speaker 1: means to rectify. But when he sought the permits necessary

670
00:37:28,840 --> 00:37:32,400
Speaker 1: to replace his home, the local government refused. This is

671
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:36,280
Speaker 1: when The New York Times alleges the war began. Quote

672
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:40,200
Speaker 1: Mr Niagard sued over changes his neighborhood made years earlier

673
00:37:40,239 --> 00:37:42,400
Speaker 1: to their driveway than he sued the government, saying it

674
00:37:42,440 --> 00:37:44,880
Speaker 1: was colluding with Mr Bacon to force him off the island.

675
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,920
Speaker 1: The allegations became more bizarre. One street protest in Nassau

676
00:37:49,000 --> 00:37:52,840
Speaker 1: featured men in white hoods and placards proclaiming Bacon is KKK.

677
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:56,200
Speaker 1: New websites funded by Mr n Iagard claimed Mr Bacon

678
00:37:56,280 --> 00:37:59,840
Speaker 1: was responsible for several murders. Court records show a video

679
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:04,280
Speaker 1: made by Niagrid staff, according to a former contractor, superimposed

680
00:38:04,480 --> 00:38:15,839
Speaker 1: Mr Bacon's face on the collapsing twin towers, leven him him. Um,

681
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,600
Speaker 1: that doesn't even make sense. At least, there's like, oh, yeah,

682
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,160
Speaker 1: he's got a family member who was in the clan.

683
00:38:20,280 --> 00:38:22,319
Speaker 1: Let's like turn him into a racist or whatever. Like,

684
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:28,480
Speaker 1: what does that even mean? Peter, and then he painted

685
00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:33,720
Speaker 1: a big tunnel on the cliff, but it wasn't a tunnel,

686
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 1: and Bacon drove his car right into it, nearly killed him.

687
00:38:38,120 --> 00:38:40,520
Speaker 1: Now I do feel confident that Louis Bacon would not

688
00:38:40,600 --> 00:38:43,319
Speaker 1: have fallen for that trip. Now I think he is

689
00:38:43,360 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: the road runner in this situation. Peter's absolutely the wily coyote. Um. Yeah,

690
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:52,319
Speaker 1: Bacon goes right through that fake tunnel and then Peter

691
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,239
Speaker 1: and Iger tries to run into it, but he hits

692
00:38:54,239 --> 00:38:55,960
Speaker 1: his face on him. Then he gets blood all over

693
00:38:56,000 --> 00:39:00,320
Speaker 1: his blue shirt. Um, so I'm quoting in from the

694
00:39:00,360 --> 00:39:03,280
Speaker 1: New York Times. Mr Nyagard was a formidable opponent. Police

695
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:06,279
Speaker 1: officers and local journalists dined at his home. One later

696
00:39:06,360 --> 00:39:08,520
Speaker 1: admitted in court that Mr Niagard had paid him to

697
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:11,759
Speaker 1: smear Mr Bacon. Mr Niagard also had allies in the

698
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,400
Speaker 1: Progressive Liberal Party, which he wanted to legalize stem cell injections.

699
00:39:15,680 --> 00:39:18,279
Speaker 1: He bragged he'd given the party five million dollars during

700
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:21,000
Speaker 1: the two thousand and twelve election campaign, legally as the

701
00:39:21,000 --> 00:39:24,480
Speaker 1: Bahamas has no campaign finance laws. After it won the election,

702
00:39:24,560 --> 00:39:27,560
Speaker 1: a Niagard YouTube channel posted a video featuring six ministers

703
00:39:27,640 --> 00:39:30,799
Speaker 1: visiting his estate. He threatened or sued media outlets that

704
00:39:30,840 --> 00:39:34,000
Speaker 1: investigated him. He slow walked lawsuits, filing countless motions and

705
00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 1: requesting the lays, exhausting his foes. So I also should

706
00:39:37,200 --> 00:39:40,160
Speaker 1: say I don't know that anything legally that happened here

707
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: was bribery, because you could just give money to political

708
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:46,000
Speaker 1: parties in the Bahamas, right, which is probably more what's

709
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 1: happening is just they found a place where they could

710
00:39:47,960 --> 00:39:50,399
Speaker 1: just give as much money to people as they want

711
00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,799
Speaker 1: until things happened. So that's the actual reason why they're

712
00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,080
Speaker 1: all cramming onto this island. That's I think a big

713
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:57,759
Speaker 1: part of it. I think there's a number of things

714
00:39:57,840 --> 00:40:00,920
Speaker 1: in the Bahamian legal code that take it enticing for

715
00:40:01,000 --> 00:40:05,799
Speaker 1: guys like Niagard, particularly um So this would have been

716
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:10,280
Speaker 1: an insurmountable obstacle for any other person going up Peter Niagart.

717
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:13,840
Speaker 1: But again, Bacon has more money, and in fact, Niagard

718
00:40:13,880 --> 00:40:16,239
Speaker 1: has now picked a nemesis who has nearly doubled his

719
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 1: net worth. Peter could pay protesters and by articles and newspapers,

720
00:40:20,400 --> 00:40:22,320
Speaker 1: he could pay to have websites made. He can bribe

721
00:40:22,440 --> 00:40:26,160
Speaker 1: entire political parties. Bacon can afford to do all that too,

722
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:28,160
Speaker 1: not to say that he does. That is not an

723
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,400
Speaker 1: allegation that he in fact did do those things, but

724
00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: he could afford to um It's simply a statement of

725
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,799
Speaker 1: their relative levels of wealth. What they can did do

726
00:40:36,000 --> 00:40:39,440
Speaker 1: is form a nonprofit called Save the Base, which targeted

727
00:40:39,560 --> 00:40:42,880
Speaker 1: Niagard Key for a number of environmental abuses. He also

728
00:40:42,960 --> 00:40:46,120
Speaker 1: hired as many lawyers and private investigators as he could find,

729
00:40:46,200 --> 00:40:48,560
Speaker 1: vaguely near the Bahamas, and I think flew in some

730
00:40:48,640 --> 00:40:51,399
Speaker 1: other guys from the FBI and Scotland Yard to help.

731
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: They've found evidence for a defamation lawsuit which was filed

732
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 1: in two thousand fifteen. And it is allegedly through this

733
00:40:59,080 --> 00:41:02,640
Speaker 1: process that some of Niggard's former allies began deserting him,

734
00:41:02,680 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 1: allegedly because the money is a lot better on the

735
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: other side. Although this is why, and this is again why,

736
00:41:07,640 --> 00:41:09,759
Speaker 1: it's hard to know precisely what happened, right, because there's

737
00:41:09,800 --> 00:41:12,160
Speaker 1: so much fucking money flying around here, right, so many

738
00:41:12,200 --> 00:41:16,440
Speaker 1: people who were saying, like so, I can't tell you

739
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:19,719
Speaker 1: for certain precisely what of the things that Peter is

740
00:41:19,719 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: accused of happened. Just that these allegations go back like

741
00:41:23,200 --> 00:41:26,760
Speaker 1: fifty somethings, so and and there. There's at this point

742
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:29,880
Speaker 1: hundreds of people involved. So I don't think that's at

743
00:41:29,920 --> 00:41:31,359
Speaker 1: all in question. It's just like when you get down

744
00:41:31,400 --> 00:41:33,960
Speaker 1: to the specifics of like what was going on in

745
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 1: his house parties and how bad was it and how

746
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,440
Speaker 1: many famous people were involved, Well, there's a lot of

747
00:41:39,440 --> 00:41:42,200
Speaker 1: fucking allegations flying, and a lot of them have money

748
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: behind them, and it's really hard to tell exactly what

749
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:47,760
Speaker 1: went down. Um, well, but the guy who invented the pig,

750
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:50,800
Speaker 1: he also probably paid his employees better, or like treated

751
00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,839
Speaker 1: his employees better. It probably wasn't like you went on

752
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:58,800
Speaker 1: that KKK march, but your white hood wasn't tucked in properly.

753
00:41:59,000 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: So that's twenty five dollars less than I'm going to

754
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:03,080
Speaker 1: pay you. Like, that's not a way to keep your

755
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:06,480
Speaker 1: paid protesters. And no, no, you get the feeling that

756
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:09,080
Speaker 1: Bacon knows how to keep his people happy. He's opposed

757
00:42:09,080 --> 00:42:11,560
Speaker 1: to Niagard, who apparently makes an enemy of everyone he

758
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:16,200
Speaker 1: knows for more than about five minutes. Um. Anyway, I'm

759
00:42:16,200 --> 00:42:20,080
Speaker 1: gonna quote again from the Times to self described former

760
00:42:20,160 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 1: gang members Livingstone, Toggy Bullard, and whistler Bobo Davilma told

761
00:42:24,840 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: the Bacon's investigators that Mr Niagard had hired them for

762
00:42:27,560 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: dirty work like torching his ex girlfriend's hair salon and

763
00:42:30,360 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 1: staging anti Bacon rallies. According to court records, the men

764
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 1: claimed Mr Niagard had given them a hit list that

765
00:42:36,360 --> 00:42:40,040
Speaker 1: included Louis Bacon and Mr Smith. Mr Niagard has denied this.

766
00:42:40,640 --> 00:42:43,600
Speaker 1: Mr Bullard and Mr Divilma, working with the Bacon investigators,

767
00:42:43,600 --> 00:42:46,560
Speaker 1: hatched a plan to videotape Mr Niagard. The private Eyes

768
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,520
Speaker 1: acted like secret agents, using encrypted phones and dropping cash

769
00:42:49,560 --> 00:42:52,320
Speaker 1: for the two men in a box behind a post office. Eventually,

770
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: the Bacon's paid the two about one and a half million,

771
00:42:54,840 --> 00:42:58,200
Speaker 1: mostly for secretly recording five meetings with Mr Niagard. The

772
00:42:58,280 --> 00:43:01,240
Speaker 1: video has turned up no sign of Mr Eigerd's plotting murder.

773
00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,600
Speaker 1: I can't get into killing, he said in footage obtained

774
00:43:03,600 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: by the Times. But the investigation did find photos of

775
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,920
Speaker 1: Peter looking at very young women from his car and

776
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,640
Speaker 1: saying stuff like do you see those toilets and lamenting

777
00:43:12,680 --> 00:43:15,120
Speaker 1: all of the people that he hadn't yet had sex with.

778
00:43:15,719 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 1: And I think this is apparently what turns the Bacon

779
00:43:19,080 --> 00:43:22,640
Speaker 1: family onto the possibility that Peter might be having sex

780
00:43:22,680 --> 00:43:26,680
Speaker 1: with underaged people. Um So, in late two thousand fifteen,

781
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:29,279
Speaker 1: they hire a security firm two in the Times as

782
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:33,040
Speaker 1: words push American law enforcement to investigate whether or not

783
00:43:33,120 --> 00:43:36,640
Speaker 1: he'd done some sex trafficking. Now, the firm that they

784
00:43:36,719 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 1: hire is run by a guy named Jeff Davis who

785
00:43:39,800 --> 00:43:42,359
Speaker 1: claimed to be a tenure veteran of the CIA, who

786
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:46,799
Speaker 1: runned what he'd called the ghost program, which is not

787
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: a real plan doesn't exist since some movies about it though,

788
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:56,600
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, ghost protocol. Um. Bacon was conned by this

789
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,920
Speaker 1: guy and spends like six million dollars, which is very funny.

790
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:02,040
Speaker 1: All of this is extremely funny, but again it is

791
00:44:02,080 --> 00:44:03,640
Speaker 1: part of why it's like kind of hard to know

792
00:44:03,760 --> 00:44:07,440
Speaker 1: the precise details of what happened, which is like sucks

793
00:44:07,560 --> 00:44:10,279
Speaker 1: to be clear. Yeah yeah, yeah, this is not this

794
00:44:10,360 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 1: is not gonna Bacon is not like hurting for money

795
00:44:13,080 --> 00:44:15,680
Speaker 1: because he burned six million on this this con job.

796
00:44:16,280 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 1: It's all really funny, um, and it's but it's also like, again,

797
00:44:20,200 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 1: it's hard to part of why I emphasized the early stuff,

798
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:26,600
Speaker 1: his mistreatment of workers, the outright criminal behavior, they're all

799
00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:29,359
Speaker 1: of the rape and sexual assault allegations against him from

800
00:44:29,400 --> 00:44:33,080
Speaker 1: people who were extremely young, gooing back further than even

801
00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:35,240
Speaker 1: the nineteen eighties. This goes back to the very beginning

802
00:44:35,239 --> 00:44:40,600
Speaker 1: of his career because once you hit this period where

803
00:44:40,600 --> 00:44:43,360
Speaker 1: he's fighting with Bacon, tens of millions of dollars and

804
00:44:43,400 --> 00:44:46,120
Speaker 1: dis info, we're just flying around. So like nailing down

805
00:44:46,200 --> 00:44:50,640
Speaker 1: what happened is very very touchy, right, um. And I'm

806
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:53,239
Speaker 1: being so careful about what I say here because like

807
00:44:53,560 --> 00:44:56,640
Speaker 1: this is even though Niagart is kind of probably down

808
00:44:56,680 --> 00:44:59,680
Speaker 1: for the count, this is a fight between two very

809
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:02,960
Speaker 1: very Richmond and you don't want to be uncareful when

810
00:45:02,960 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: you talk about totally may have done what right? Yeah,

811
00:45:07,360 --> 00:45:10,480
Speaker 1: but you know who's always careful when they make allegations

812
00:45:10,520 --> 00:45:15,800
Speaker 1: about sex crimes. Is gonna be an ad for bacon,

813
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: isn't it. I hope it's an ad for bacon. The

814
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:20,440
Speaker 1: bacon industry would never do anything like that to us.

815
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: I mean the guy, oh well, honestly he seems like

816
00:45:25,880 --> 00:45:30,920
Speaker 1: he's in the clear for that one too. Um. But yeah, anyway,

817
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:44,240
Speaker 1: there you go. We're back Anderson. So another cancellable thing. Boy,

818
00:45:44,320 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: he sure did and Anderson. He she if you're gonna

819
00:45:51,280 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 1: accuse her of doing something wrong, Oh but it was

820
00:45:56,680 --> 00:45:59,840
Speaker 1: actually it wasn't an it was that wasn't an actual

821
00:46:00,200 --> 00:46:05,480
Speaker 1: thing that she said. I regret starting this bit, yeah,

822
00:46:05,600 --> 00:46:08,600
Speaker 1: because I I almost fed into the bit by being like, yeah,

823
00:46:08,800 --> 00:46:13,560
Speaker 1: she made a comment about her appreciation of Rhodesian pattern camouflage.

824
00:46:13,600 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 1: But then I decided not to. And I feel bad

825
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,320
Speaker 1: that I have led us to the chain of events

826
00:46:18,360 --> 00:46:20,239
Speaker 1: that has taken us to where we are. Margaret, this

827
00:46:20,320 --> 00:46:23,080
Speaker 1: was this was your fault. This was all what a disaster.

828
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:27,239
Speaker 1: Recognized that this is this is the podcasting equivalent of

829
00:46:27,360 --> 00:46:30,000
Speaker 1: starting a fight with your neighbor who has one and

830
00:46:30,040 --> 00:46:33,479
Speaker 1: a half billion dollars. Because Anderson can actually do no wrong,

831
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: let's be on that's right, that's right, and Peter Bacon

832
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:39,319
Speaker 1: can pay to have done no wrong at the very

833
00:46:39,400 --> 00:46:46,759
Speaker 1: least and to eat Bacon. So here we are, Yeah, exactly,

834
00:46:48,400 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 1: and anyway, let's get back on the old on the

835
00:46:52,920 --> 00:46:56,239
Speaker 1: old train. So well as when we left off, Louis

836
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,080
Speaker 1: had just gotten conduct of six million dollars by the

837
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:03,000
Speaker 1: ghost program CIA guy who was just a con man,

838
00:47:03,480 --> 00:47:06,200
Speaker 1: and the guy who conned him told Bacon and Niagard

839
00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:09,360
Speaker 1: had put hits out on his family and like actually

840
00:47:09,440 --> 00:47:12,359
Speaker 1: got got like hooked Bacon up with bodyguards who drove

841
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,440
Speaker 1: him and his family to safe houses and must have

842
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:18,960
Speaker 1: been a very exciting afternoon for everybody. Bacon eventually realizes

843
00:47:19,040 --> 00:47:22,160
Speaker 1: he's been had, and the FBI and Homeland Security both

844
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,680
Speaker 1: did launch investigations, but they didn't go anywhere into Peter.

845
00:47:26,200 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: So Bacon and his brother decided to put together a

846
00:47:28,520 --> 00:47:31,480
Speaker 1: lawsuit in two thousand seventeen, patterned off of some of

847
00:47:31,480 --> 00:47:33,719
Speaker 1: the most prominent ME two cases. Right, they're kind of

848
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 1: paying attention to what's happening. They know there's there's no

849
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,040
Speaker 1: there's smoke and fire with Peter Niagard, right, because they

850
00:47:40,120 --> 00:47:42,680
Speaker 1: do have it. At this point, stuff is online. They

851
00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: found the old allegations, right, They've got people who are

852
00:47:45,840 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 1: able to see the ship that had happened in Canada,

853
00:47:47,640 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 1: find those old Winnipeg whatever newspaper articles and stuff. So

854
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:54,040
Speaker 1: they put together a lawsuit. They get their private investigators

855
00:47:54,080 --> 00:47:58,279
Speaker 1: to introduce fifteen Bahamian women to American lawyers um to

856
00:47:58,640 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 1: do like sue Peter her out of New York. And

857
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:03,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna quote from the Times here. One woman now

858
00:48:03,640 --> 00:48:05,400
Speaker 1: when involved in the suit, told the time she was

859
00:48:05,440 --> 00:48:07,400
Speaker 1: fourteen when she met Mr Niagard at one of the

860
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 1: stores in two thousand fifteen. She is a photo with

861
00:48:09,640 --> 00:48:12,080
Speaker 1: him that day. She said that she was later invited

862
00:48:12,120 --> 00:48:14,879
Speaker 1: for a modeling interview at Niagard Key, where he assaulted her.

863
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:17,880
Speaker 1: She said that she had never told anyone what happened.

864
00:48:18,200 --> 00:48:20,200
Speaker 1: Another woman in the suit said in an interview that

865
00:48:20,239 --> 00:48:22,560
Speaker 1: she was fourteen when she attended a pamper party in

866
00:48:22,600 --> 00:48:25,279
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven after her mother asked Mr niagar to

867
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:28,000
Speaker 1: sponsor her in a beauty pageant. Is this what my

868
00:48:28,120 --> 00:48:30,560
Speaker 1: life can be? She recalled, thinking of the models in

869
00:48:30,600 --> 00:48:33,320
Speaker 1: the room. Her glass of wine never seemed too empty,

870
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: she said. Later she recalled she swallowed pills that Mr

871
00:48:36,080 --> 00:48:38,640
Speaker 1: Niagard told her models took. Then she said, he took

872
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:42,879
Speaker 1: her upstairs and you know, um. Drawn by the money

873
00:48:42,880 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: and promise of modeling gig, she later returned recruiting other women,

874
00:48:46,040 --> 00:48:48,720
Speaker 1: she said. Tamika Ferguson found her way at a Niagard

875
00:48:48,800 --> 00:48:50,680
Speaker 1: key in two thousand four after being kicked out of

876
00:48:50,760 --> 00:48:53,080
Speaker 1: high school. An orphan from a poor neighborhood, she said

877
00:48:53,120 --> 00:48:55,600
Speaker 1: a DJ had invited her to a pamper party. She

878
00:48:55,680 --> 00:48:57,880
Speaker 1: drank too much and ended up in a bathroom barefoot

879
00:48:57,880 --> 00:49:00,520
Speaker 1: in her bikini. She said, when she emerged, your friends

880
00:49:00,520 --> 00:49:04,000
Speaker 1: had gone. Mr Niagard steers through upstairs, and I don't

881
00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,879
Speaker 1: think I need to finish that. Um yeah, uh so.

882
00:49:08,360 --> 00:49:13,480
Speaker 1: The Times has photographs of this woman in that this

883
00:49:13,560 --> 00:49:16,319
Speaker 1: woman took of herself in Niagard key. Three people, a

884
00:49:16,320 --> 00:49:18,839
Speaker 1: former Niagard girlfriend and ex employee and a guest said

885
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,359
Speaker 1: that they remembered her here. So this is again. These

886
00:49:21,360 --> 00:49:23,919
Speaker 1: are all been backed up. These are very for all

887
00:49:23,920 --> 00:49:25,640
Speaker 1: of the stuff that is kind of murky, there's a

888
00:49:25,640 --> 00:49:28,600
Speaker 1: lot that's extremely clear right in terms of the allegations

889
00:49:28,600 --> 00:49:32,520
Speaker 1: against Niagard. Now, but back to the things that are complicated.

890
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:35,719
Speaker 1: The investigators and lawyers that are putting together this lawsuit

891
00:49:35,880 --> 00:49:39,640
Speaker 1: were paid by a nonprofit called Sanctuary. Mr Bacon was

892
00:49:39,680 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 1: a generous donor to Sanctuary. There are claims from people

893
00:49:43,040 --> 00:49:45,480
Speaker 1: interviewed by The New York Times that Bacon or entities

894
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: which received funding from him, gave money to a number

895
00:49:48,120 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: of women in exchange for going forward against Niagard. Peter

896
00:49:51,520 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 1: would probably say that they were paid to lie. It's

897
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:55,959
Speaker 1: worth noting that Several of these women claim the money

898
00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:58,239
Speaker 1: was necessary to keep them safe from Niagard, which is

899
00:49:58,280 --> 00:50:01,520
Speaker 1: certainly not without merit. Right. Again, it's very messy, but

900
00:50:01,760 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 1: I get that point right, Like, Yeah, you're being asked

901
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,200
Speaker 1: to go up against a very rich man. You don't

902
00:50:09,200 --> 00:50:12,120
Speaker 1: want no backup there, especially in a place like the

903
00:50:12,120 --> 00:50:14,560
Speaker 1: Bahamas where it's really easy to buy the law and

904
00:50:14,600 --> 00:50:18,399
Speaker 1: buy the government. Um. So it's a mess of a case.

905
00:50:18,480 --> 00:50:20,640
Speaker 1: I think there's plenty of clear reporting though about what

906
00:50:20,719 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: happened and about what Peter did, and I don't have

907
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:27,799
Speaker 1: trouble believing uh in his guilt, And apparently neither did

908
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:31,600
Speaker 1: the FBI, because they eventually decide they have seen enough

909
00:50:31,680 --> 00:50:35,399
Speaker 1: and accused him of sex trafficking, sex trafficking involving miners, rape,

910
00:50:35,440 --> 00:50:40,600
Speaker 1: and racketeering after raiding his offices in one Nagaret was

911
00:50:40,680 --> 00:50:43,560
Speaker 1: charged by the Toronto Police with multiple cases of sexual

912
00:50:43,600 --> 00:50:46,920
Speaker 1: assault enforceable confinement from cases between the mid nineteen eighties

913
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,160
Speaker 1: and the mid two thousand's. With the dam broken around him,

914
00:50:50,400 --> 00:50:53,480
Speaker 1: more allegations flooded out, the earliest of which dates back

915
00:50:53,520 --> 00:50:56,400
Speaker 1: to nineteen sixty eight. There are at least fifty two

916
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:59,560
Speaker 1: plaintiffs currently pursuing legal action against him in several cases,

917
00:50:59,600 --> 00:51:03,480
Speaker 1: include a class action. In two thousand eighteen, Niagard Key

918
00:51:03,560 --> 00:51:05,600
Speaker 1: was seized by the Supreme Court of the Bahamas. The

919
00:51:05,640 --> 00:51:08,880
Speaker 1: property is currently in ruins. Peter Niagard remains in custody

920
00:51:08,960 --> 00:51:12,560
Speaker 1: in Canada awaiting extradition to the United States. He says

921
00:51:12,600 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 1: that his health is terrible and that he can't get

922
00:51:14,680 --> 00:51:16,279
Speaker 1: the kind of food that he wants to eat while

923
00:51:16,280 --> 00:51:22,719
Speaker 1: he's fine bars. Yeah, I again, I don't really care

924
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:25,600
Speaker 1: what happens to this guy at this point. Um, as

925
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:28,360
Speaker 1: long as he's kept away from doing any harm. His

926
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:33,080
Speaker 1: finances seem like they're in disaster. His company is failing. Um.

927
00:51:33,120 --> 00:51:36,680
Speaker 1: I wonder who's going to buy his property. Yeah, I

928
00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:39,920
Speaker 1: think it's already been like confiscated by the government. But yeah,

929
00:51:39,960 --> 00:51:42,319
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll tell you this, don't get into

930
00:51:42,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: a fight with Louis Bacon. Um. And honestly, like credit

931
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,520
Speaker 1: to Louis, apparently nothing else was going to fucking take

932
00:51:52,560 --> 00:51:56,200
Speaker 1: this man down. Um, and by god, it needed to happen.

933
00:51:56,560 --> 00:52:01,319
Speaker 1: I'm just I'm just glad that it did. Um. Louis,

934
00:52:02,640 --> 00:52:05,480
Speaker 1: good work. Um, although it is pretty funny that you

935
00:52:05,560 --> 00:52:08,879
Speaker 1: got caned by the fake CIA guy. Yeah, real here,

936
00:52:09,200 --> 00:52:12,800
Speaker 1: that's pretty funny guy that that is the most likable

937
00:52:12,920 --> 00:52:15,040
Speaker 1: version in the story, the guy who got a bunch

938
00:52:15,040 --> 00:52:19,880
Speaker 1: of money for fucking nothing. Um, I could have made

939
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: a money for nothing in the Chicks for Free joke,

940
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:26,680
Speaker 1: but in an episode like this that wouldn't have. But

941
00:52:26,760 --> 00:52:28,520
Speaker 1: I thought about it because that's a pretty good song.

942
00:52:29,160 --> 00:52:31,120
Speaker 1: I feel like there's just always that irony of like

943
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:34,080
Speaker 1: all of the like anti sellout songs that are on

944
00:52:34,120 --> 00:52:37,799
Speaker 1: the radio from like the seventies or whatever. Is that

945
00:52:37,880 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: an anti sellout song? Though? I thought so? Is that

946
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:43,520
Speaker 1: kind of just a like it's making fun of It's

947
00:52:43,520 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: not like anti sellout, but it's like anti music industry,

948
00:52:46,880 --> 00:52:49,240
Speaker 1: which is like, I mean, to be fair, if I

949
00:52:49,280 --> 00:52:52,040
Speaker 1: was engaged at a professional level in the music industry,

950
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,640
Speaker 1: I would absolutely write songs talking shoot on it. I

951
00:52:54,680 --> 00:52:57,320
Speaker 1: mean on like, you know, my professional engagement in the

952
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:04,600
Speaker 1: podcasting industry, which I absolutely love. My corporate overlords. Well,

953
00:53:04,640 --> 00:53:07,440
Speaker 1: it's interesting because well, I don't know, now we're completely

954
00:53:07,480 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: off the topic. But I've never sat down and looked

955
00:53:09,480 --> 00:53:11,359
Speaker 1: at the lyrics. But isn't it like some guys who

956
00:53:11,360 --> 00:53:13,560
Speaker 1: work at like a furniture store or something, being like

957
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: we're busting our asses all these day and the all day,

958
00:53:16,120 --> 00:53:18,319
Speaker 1: and these guys just like half as some songs and

959
00:53:18,360 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: they get all that money for nothing and the chicks

960
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,239
Speaker 1: for free. I thought that was what the song was, probably, right,

961
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:27,440
Speaker 1: I I think, well, but they also, like you know,

962
00:53:27,480 --> 00:53:29,840
Speaker 1: wrote Sultan's a Swing, which was like way more of

963
00:53:29,880 --> 00:53:32,480
Speaker 1: a like it's much better to just go be the

964
00:53:32,520 --> 00:53:35,520
Speaker 1: guy who plays at the bar every I you know what,

965
00:53:35,600 --> 00:53:39,719
Speaker 1: the world doesn't need to know my opinion about Dire Straits. No,

966
00:53:40,040 --> 00:53:42,280
Speaker 1: this is what we're talking about. Welcome to the Dire

967
00:53:42,360 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: Straits Cast, a podcast where I Robert Evans, a guy

968
00:53:45,600 --> 00:53:48,000
Speaker 1: who only knows the song money for Nothing and the

969
00:53:48,080 --> 00:53:50,719
Speaker 1: Chicks for Free, which is probably not what that song

970
00:53:50,840 --> 00:53:54,200
Speaker 1: is called by the Dire Straits, and Margaret Kiljoy, who

971
00:53:54,239 --> 00:54:00,759
Speaker 1: knows at least one other song same band. Amazing that

972
00:54:00,840 --> 00:54:03,120
Speaker 1: this podcast is in its seventh year, you know, and

973
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:06,279
Speaker 1: people keep no one actually listens, but we found a

974
00:54:06,560 --> 00:54:10,680
Speaker 1: weird loophole where the advertisers keep up and we just

975
00:54:10,719 --> 00:54:13,560
Speaker 1: get automatically downloaded to your phone like that one you

976
00:54:13,680 --> 00:54:18,640
Speaker 1: two album. Well, Margaret, how do you feel about Peter

977
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 1: Niker's I feel very negatively about him. Um, I hate

978
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:30,920
Speaker 1: being reminded that people like him exist and are everywhere. Uh,

979
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:34,839
Speaker 1: and they helped make NAFTA a reality. I love. It

980
00:54:34,920 --> 00:54:37,239
Speaker 1: is amazing that this is one of the guys who

981
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,839
Speaker 1: made NAFTA happen. Yeah, Like, there is a world full

982
00:54:40,880 --> 00:54:44,040
Speaker 1: of heroes who have dedicated their lives, like the Zapatista

983
00:54:44,120 --> 00:54:47,040
Speaker 1: movement right, like you know, kicked off in response to

984
00:54:47,120 --> 00:54:50,280
Speaker 1: naf to nafter signing, right, And there's this like world

985
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: of unsung heroes who will dedicate their amazing lives to

986
00:54:53,440 --> 00:54:56,600
Speaker 1: fighting this. And then there's the guy who's like built

987
00:54:56,600 --> 00:54:58,759
Speaker 1: a weird thing in the Bahamas so that I can

988
00:54:58,840 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 1: sectually saw people, because the whole thing was just so

989
00:55:02,160 --> 00:55:04,640
Speaker 1: I could sextually it's sault more people, and it's just like, yeah,

990
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: I just I just helped destroy Number one helped destroy

991
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:13,120
Speaker 1: like the unionized garment industry in two countries, and number

992
00:55:13,160 --> 00:55:17,920
Speaker 1: two like roped people from around the world and particularly

993
00:55:17,920 --> 00:55:21,560
Speaker 1: in Mexico into nightmarish working conditions and abuse in order

994
00:55:21,600 --> 00:55:24,120
Speaker 1: to make enough money that I could build a fake

995
00:55:24,200 --> 00:55:27,319
Speaker 1: Mayan city in the Bahamas and commit sex scrids in it.

996
00:55:27,480 --> 00:55:31,000
Speaker 1: That's that's Peter Niagard and he got taken down because

997
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,919
Speaker 1: he built a parking lot on a richer guy's land. Yeah,

998
00:55:35,840 --> 00:55:40,760
Speaker 1: what a real world timeline we're in that What a

999
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 1: what a good way for that to all get This

1000
00:55:43,120 --> 00:55:46,880
Speaker 1: is the best system the world has ever seen. Again,

1001
00:55:47,320 --> 00:55:50,080
Speaker 1: Louis Bacon, if you're listening and thinking of suing us,

1002
00:55:50,120 --> 00:55:52,719
Speaker 1: I have nothing but but respect and happiness that you

1003
00:55:52,760 --> 00:55:55,399
Speaker 1: took him down. He needed to be taken down. I'm

1004
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,040
Speaker 1: just frustrated that one of like five different countries legal

1005
00:55:59,080 --> 00:56:08,400
Speaker 1: systems didn't at first. Um, outstanding good stuff. So I

1006
00:56:08,480 --> 00:56:11,160
Speaker 1: guess if you ever encounter a man with hundreds of

1007
00:56:11,160 --> 00:56:16,319
Speaker 1: millions of dollars who is horribly harming people, hope that

1008
00:56:16,360 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 1: he pisces off a richer man or or hear me out.

1009
00:56:20,120 --> 00:56:22,799
Speaker 1: You now know that they carry a lot of cash.

1010
00:56:23,120 --> 00:56:28,680
Speaker 1: Uh huh, you could get the I'm gonna yep anyway, yep,

1011
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 1: thirty straight bleeped seconds and then we roll out. All right, Margaret,

1012
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: you want to plug anything here? UM. I have a

1013
00:56:40,120 --> 00:56:41,920
Speaker 1: book called We Won't be Here Tomorrow. I have a

1014
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:44,800
Speaker 1: podcast like Live, like Thorls Dying. I have another podcast

1015
00:56:44,800 --> 00:56:49,200
Speaker 1: called Cool People Did cool stuff. And I have a

1016
00:56:49,239 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 1: dog named Rentraw and I love my dog, great dog,

1017
00:56:52,880 --> 00:56:57,280
Speaker 1: solid dog so much. Learned how to herd baby goats

1018
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 1: today a natural just immediately knew how to do it. Um.

1019
00:57:04,239 --> 00:57:09,759
Speaker 1: Speaking of things that are known, I have a book too.

1020
00:57:09,800 --> 00:57:12,759
Speaker 1: It's called After the Revolution. You can google that and

1021
00:57:12,880 --> 00:57:15,279
Speaker 1: a k Press together and find a place to buy it,

1022
00:57:15,719 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: or type it into any of the various book related

1023
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,520
Speaker 1: websites and stores that you go to. They all sell it.

1024
00:57:21,760 --> 00:57:23,560
Speaker 1: You can buy it, and then it will be yours

1025
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,640
Speaker 1: and then you will own a piece of my soul,

1026
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:35,320
Speaker 1: black magic or whatever. Yep. It also contains a complete

1027
00:57:35,320 --> 00:57:39,760
Speaker 1: manual on how to um. Oh, no way, that's a spoiler. No,

1028
00:57:39,960 --> 00:57:42,840
Speaker 1: that's a spoiler, and also a federal crime. So we're

1029
00:57:42,840 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: going to just bounce for today. Alright, bye everyone. Behind

1030
00:57:50,880 --> 00:57:53,680
Speaker 1: the Bastards is a production of cool Zone Media. For

1031
00:57:53,800 --> 00:57:56,560
Speaker 1: more from cool Zone Media, visit our website cool zone

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