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Speaker 2: Fulcome back on Dale LOLLI he is Matt Williamson and

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Speaker 2: off our number two of The Drive and Matt our

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Speaker 2: DFS single game lineup last night did not hit that

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Speaker 2: if we had stuck with Hunter Henry in the captain's chair.

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Speaker 3: He was in there for a minute.

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Speaker 2: captain's chair. That would have been a huge advantage for

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Speaker 2: what in only eighteen point one percent of lineups. That

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Speaker 2: would have probably put us over the top because we've

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Speaker 3: Wee two touchdowns. Yeah, we got his birth.

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Speaker 2: Twenty eight points out of him instead we got nineteen.

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Speaker 3: So, I mean where we failed was the paid We

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Speaker 3: I didn't I wasn't touching for Henry. Yeah, we did

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Speaker 3: want Henry. He was in the lineup start to finish.

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Speaker 3: Were right about that, but I was totally rejecting juju.

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Speaker 3: I was not interested in Zappy and they came through.

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Speaker 2: But you know, I so to pull the curtain back.

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Speaker 2: Before we picked this lineup on the show, I had

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Speaker 2: put one in there just to hold the spot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I remember you said that.

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Speaker 2: I had Ezekiel Elliott in there and we took him

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Speaker 2: thought he get you.

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Speaker 3: Know, yeah, and you know, to his credit, man, he did.

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Speaker 2: Were last Sunday he had four catches for forty yards.

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Speaker 2: Like so it's not like he can't we know he

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Speaker 2: can catch the football. Oh yeah, he thought his career

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Speaker 2: So we shouldn't finish in the money. So we need

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Speaker 3: Something to be said. This isn't super fancy related, but

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Speaker 3: you know, like Emmett. You know, some of these dudes

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Speaker 3: I'm not what I am, but I can handle the

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Speaker 3: wear and tear and I'll get what's blocked and I

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Speaker 3: give him credit. Man. I speak higher of him as

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Speaker 3: a player now than I would have a year ago.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So let's start building this week's DFS lineup looking

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Speaker 2: at the defenses. Here will go from the bottom up.

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Speaker 2: Seahawks are for twenty four hundred, No, No, The Bears

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Speaker 3: It's not a real high over under. I don't think

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Speaker 3: Bills, so they're right next to each other.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, how about that? The Rams are twenty seven hundred

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Speaker 3: It sounds like, well, we're recording this Friday afternoon. The

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Speaker 2: And the defense gives up ten points at home.

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Speaker 2: move a quarterback. Josh Allen eighty three hundred. Well, we

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Speaker 2: Steven Lamar Jackson's seventy seven hundred C. J. Stroud against

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Speaker 3: Detroit's defense has been like the almost the worst in

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Trevor Lawrence is sixty seven hundred. No, Rock Purty

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Speaker 2: Josh Dobbs is fifty nine hundred. Russell Wilson fifty eight hundred.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, you got Gino Smith at fifty seven hundred,

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Speaker 2: Jamis is fifty five five hundred.

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Speaker 2: Gardner Minshew is fifty four hundred.

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Speaker 2: You can get Flacco for forty seven hundred.

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Speaker 2: They're twenty ninth against opposing quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: out these single positions. Travis Kelcey is seventy eight hundred.

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he's worth that kind of money.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's come down on Laporta is sixty one hundred.

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Speaker 3: He's right there. T J.

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Speaker 2: lot George Kittle fifty nine hundred, Dalton king Kaid fifty

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Speaker 2: He's questionable, but he's practiced all week. Evan Ingram against

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Speaker 2: Cleveland forty eight hundred. They're number one against opposing tight ends.

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Speaker 2: How about this little stack. Cole Kmett is forty three hundred.

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Speaker 3: Oh that's interesting. I'm not a big believer, but they

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Speaker 2: And Djoku is forty one hundred. Kyle Pitts is thirty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, boy, he's hard to trust, trust to trust out.

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Speaker 3: His usage was good last week.

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Speaker 2: Higbe's doubtful, So we won't go with them. Isaiah Likely

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Speaker 2: thirty five hundred, bad.

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Speaker 3: I bet they're not good.

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Speaker 2: They're twenty ninth against tight ends. Gerald Everett come up

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Speaker 2: Against Denver is thirty four hundred. They are thirty first

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Speaker 3: How about one of those two? I was thinking, like

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Speaker 3: That's expensive, but Comet's not a bad call. But I

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Speaker 3: think Likely and Evert are better players than him and

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Speaker 3: the paper? Which one do you feel better about? Likely?

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Speaker 2: So you're likely to lean towards Likely? Ok?

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Speaker 2: that gets us back up to sixty one hundred. It

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Speaker 2: would never risk seem like a cheapy running back. McCaffrey

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Speaker 2: eighty two hundred, catch a ton of passes. They're thirty second,

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Speaker 3: He's a shell of himself.

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Speaker 3: I don't love it. They're in Baltimore at.

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Speaker 2: N is seven thousand. Josh Jacobs against Minnesota sixty nine hundred,

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Speaker 2: though against the posing runs?

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Speaker 3: Are they really? I like what White's been doing. But

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Speaker 3: Checko is out.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this before, Jerick McKinnon. I want to

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Speaker 2: see what the price is on Jack McKinnon.

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Speaker 3: I want to plug him in and go from there.

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Speaker 3: First and ten. I don't know if it'll be McKinnon

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Speaker 2: Forty eight hundred dollars. That now gets us up to

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Speaker 2: about sixty four hundred dollars.

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Speaker 3: We could do it. I mean, it's probably chocky, but

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Speaker 3: it gives us a lot of running pass Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Josh Gibbs her Jamier Gibbs, I should say is sixty

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Speaker 2: six hundred. Brian b Jean Robinson is sixty five hundred.

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Speaker 3: I like Bjeon a lot.

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Speaker 2: David Montgomery sixty four hundred, Kenneth Walker sixty three Like Bejon.

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Speaker 3: Every week I do, he's getting more and more touches.

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Speaker 3: He looks better and better.

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Speaker 2: H Bryce Hall Is sixty two hundred. No, Joe Mixon

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Speaker 3: Are they good to know for next week too? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I'm not especially worried about Brown Chase Brown.

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Speaker 2: No, No, especially since he's banged up.

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Speaker 3: Yes, I do either.

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Speaker 2: It mixes catching a ball.

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Speaker 3: Mount to the beauty of mixing is the ball.

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Speaker 2: He's gonna get all the ball. Yeah, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be like Ezekiel Elliott last night.

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Speaker 2: It's all about touching. James Cooky six thousand, Gus Edwards

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Speaker 2: He's Saints or seventh against the opposing running backs. Jerome

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Speaker 2: Uh. Alexander Madison is fifty five hundred. Vegas is twenty

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm with you. Off the you know, like that

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Speaker 3: I like Bjon. There was someone like two spots after

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Speaker 3: one of those two would be fine, be great.

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Speaker 2: Mix is a little cheaper. Bijon sixty five hundred, mix

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Speaker 3: Bijon might be somebody to upgrade to. Yeah flex Okay, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Wide receiver Stefan Diggs is eighty eight hundred, Keenan Allen

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Speaker 3: I don't know if he'll certain of the slot a

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Speaker 3: Leap of faith. He's pretty good at football.

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Speaker 2: He's talking about he wants to get to a thousand

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Speaker 3: I don't know where he's at.

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Speaker 2: I don't know where he's at, but he's at five

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I think he could have played two weeks ago too.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, i'mon Ross Saint Brown eighty two hundred, Mike Evans

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Speaker 2: seventy seven hundred, Chase.

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Speaker 3: Bucks ov again Atlanta. He'll Getterrell, but I think he's questionable.

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Speaker 3: Torell Andterrell's not. Dean s Anders.

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Speaker 2: Jamar Chase is seventy six hundred, Nico Collins seventy six hundred,

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Speaker 3: I don't love having two Bengals, but I'm convinced they're

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Speaker 3: going to throw Chase the ball fifteen times. Just just

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Speaker 2: The entire Bengals passing game with mixing yes and Chase yes.

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Speaker 2: I mean, he might have twenty five targets between the two.

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Speaker 3: They're so dedicated to it since Burrow has been out,

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Speaker 3: I mean, I just think he's going to get so

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Speaker 2: That's one keep in mind now. For sure. Adams is

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Speaker 2: seventy five hundred. Cooper Cup seventy four hundred. Cup's not

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Speaker 2: the same as us, No, he's not. Rather than the Coup,

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Speaker 2: Michael Pittman is seventy three hundred.

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Speaker 3: That dude's consistent. It could be him and Evans or

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Speaker 2: They're like the same dude. Yeah, yeah, except Evans is

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Speaker 2: more than downfield threat in the KUPA seventy one hundred.

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Speaker 2: Chris Olave seven thousand. I don't mind that it's questionable though.

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Speaker 3: I think he played last week. Yeah, I think.

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Speaker 2: Ayuku is sixty nine hundred, Deebo Samuel sixty eight hundred.

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Speaker 3: Those are both appealing, but who will pick the wrong one?

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Speaker 2: Metcalf Is sixty seven hundred.

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Speaker 3: If I trust that, uh.

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Speaker 2: DJ Moore sixty five hundred. There's a that's a stack, yeah,

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Speaker 2: Calvin Ridley sixty four hundred, Adam THIELND sixty three hundred,

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Speaker 2: Cortland Sutton sixty one hundred. I don't hate that.

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Speaker 3: No, he's good every week too.

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Speaker 2: He's cheap and they're twenty seventh against.

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Speaker 3: That's a good one, yeah.

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Speaker 2: Chris Goblins six thousand, T Higgins fifty nine hundred. Amari

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Speaker 2: Cooper's questionable. He's fifty eight hundred now if he plays.

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Speaker 2: Gabe Davis fifty eight hundred, Ze Flowers fifty seven hundred.

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Speaker 3: Real quick, while you mentioned Amari, I'd consider Elijah Moore

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Speaker 3: him and Flacco have a jet relationship.

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Speaker 2: Jacobe Meers fifty seven hundred, Tyler Lockett fifty six hundred,

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Speaker 2: Garrett Wilson fifty five hundred, Jordan Addison fifty five hundred,

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Speaker 2: Rashee Rice fifty four hundred.

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Speaker 3: So bad, No, I I don't mind. Yeah, I'm starting

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Speaker 3: to trust him in a big way.

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Speaker 2: They're trying to get him the football.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the same thing as the Chase argument.

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Speaker 2: Right, Noah Brown is five thousand, he's a start. They're

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Speaker 2: number one against opposing U received Josh Dollens forty nine hundred,

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Speaker 2: Jerry Judy forty seven hundred, Drake London forty six hundred,

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Speaker 2: Elijah Moore forty five hundred.

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Speaker 3: We got a plug. That's he's gonna get touches. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: I don't know. If Cooper plays.

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Speaker 2: That allows us in to spend seventy one hundred rested away,

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Speaker 2: so we can get if we want. You want to

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Speaker 2: put Chase in, he's seventy six hundred, yeah, yeah, Okay,

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Speaker 2: that gives us then sixty eight to fifty, so we

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Speaker 2: can still spend one. Yeah, so we could probably get

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Speaker 2: in a flex Bjeon Robinson and a pretty good wide receiver.

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Speaker 3: Here if we play this show that's appealing. Yeah, uh so,

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Speaker 3: I think like Bjeon what said who so if he

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Speaker 3: put Bijeon in the flex, make sure don't put Brian in.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's sixty five hundreds. That's actually under budget. That

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Speaker 2: gives us seventy two hundred ten to spend on our

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Speaker 2: final wide receiver spot. That would be pooking the Kua.

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Speaker 3: Let me get the rise. It's not bad. They've been

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Speaker 3: giving him ends a rounds. He's getting a couple carries

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Speaker 3: a game. That's Nakua.

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Speaker 2: That's a lave, Ayuk, Deebo, Samuel, DK Metcalf, DJ Moore.

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Speaker 3: I like more a lave and Ayuk.

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Speaker 2: I like to stack with DJ Moore and Justin Field's appealing.

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Speaker 3: They throw the ball a lot.

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Speaker 2: We would have seven hundred dollars left over then, So

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Speaker 2: if we wanted to upgrade somewhere.

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Speaker 3: Do we think about a quarterback? Oh no, and a

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Speaker 3: quarterback we're fine. I thought we thought about a tight

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Speaker 3: end upgrade in a defense upgrade.

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Speaker 2: A quarterback at forty two hundred would get us, That

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Speaker 2: would get us inn Djoku Pitts Likely. I think you

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Speaker 2: stick with likely.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, they're not much better.

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Speaker 2: Defense that gets you up to the forty nine ers.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, Yeah, they've been beating the crap out of

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Speaker 3: Seattle lately too. Yeah at home, Gino might not play

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Speaker 3: at home. Yeah that's Stacy feel.

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Speaker 2: Pretty good about that. Yeah, Lay, That is justin Fields

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Speaker 2: at quarterback at sixty eight hundred, Jack McKinnon at running

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Speaker 2: back at forty eight hundred, Joe Mixon at running back

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Speaker 2: at sixty one hundred, Elijah Moore at forty five hundred

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Speaker 2: at wide receiver with Jamar Chase at six seventy six hundred,

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Speaker 2: and DJ Moore at sixty five hundred. Isaiah likely a

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Speaker 2: ba AFC Norse stack is Isaiah likely at thirty five hundred,

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Speaker 2: b Jeon Robinson in the flex at sixty five hundred,

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Speaker 2: and the forty nine ers defense. That is a winner

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Speaker 2: all long.

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Speaker 3: We're due, We are due.

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Speaker 2: It's been a tough, uh well, been tough for all

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Speaker 2: Steeler fans.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, hey, we're all suffering together.

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Speaker 2: Been a tough last Sunday and then into this into

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Speaker 2: Thursday night for us here on the DFS stuff. So

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Speaker 2: let's get back on the horse here. I like that

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Speaker 2: lineup a lot.

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Speaker 3: We get some studs on that, some real studs. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: guys are gonna gets a fun week of fantasy, crucial

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Speaker 3: week for a lot of people. Oh, no doubt. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: both my leagues, I need to win them in. I think, well,

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Speaker 3: I'm not sure about the league with you. I think

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Speaker 3: I'm in trouble there. But the one that my main.

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Speaker 2: League, get win and not get into that league? Yeah,

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Speaker 2: I could win and get You didn't take care of

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Speaker 3: Know the defensive coordinators on the hot.

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Speaker 2: Seat, folks, even if you're out sets your lineups this week.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, don't be that Don't be that guy.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, don't be the guy who's got five guys off

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Speaker 2: because there are teams on buys this week.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and there's injuries and injuries. Make sure he do

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Speaker 3: the guys get to put a kicker in, do the

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Speaker 2: Other teams in your league as solid and fill out

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Speaker 2: a lineup because you would hate to be you. You'd

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Speaker 2: hate to be in that situation where you need to

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Speaker 3: Is the powder puff doesn't show up.

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Speaker 2: That doesn't Yeah, it doesn't play a defensive kicker and

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Speaker 2: two wide receivers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's get kick out the league stuff. Yeah, and

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Speaker 3: which it should be. It should be. Yeah, that's harsh

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Speaker 3: play to the whistle. Absolutely absolutely.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, that was the fantasy football focus. We're going to

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Speaker 2: on Steelers Nation Radio and good slate of games this week, Matt.

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Speaker 3: Barry, let's roll through these here.

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Speaker 2: Remember Arizona and Washington are on buy.

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Speaker 3: I won't even miss him. I'm not defending the Steelers,

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Speaker 3: but I am intrigued to see how the Patriots and

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Speaker 2: So much of the NFL as when you play a

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Speaker 3: Opposed tongus, it's ungu.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, So this week we have kicking off at one

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Speaker 2: who are currently in a playoff spot in the NFC

440
00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:16,639
Speaker 2: at the nine and three Ravens.

441
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:18,679
Speaker 3: Last time I was seven and a half.

442
00:20:19,000 --> 00:20:21,680
Speaker 2: You have six seven here, Okay, seven and a half.

443
00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:26,000
Speaker 3: I was taking the Rams. I can't get around We've

444
00:20:26,000 --> 00:20:28,679
Speaker 3: been down this road twice this year. Seattle looks really good,

445
00:20:28,720 --> 00:20:31,200
Speaker 3: they're going to Baltimore. Detroit looks really good. They're going

446
00:20:31,200 --> 00:20:33,760
Speaker 3: to Baltimore and they get blown out by Lamar and

447
00:20:33,800 --> 00:20:36,600
Speaker 3: we know what he does against NFC. It was seven

448
00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:38,320
Speaker 3: and a half, though, I'd be like, I'll take that.

449
00:20:38,800 --> 00:20:42,119
Speaker 2: Say this, that Rams team, they're good. Stood up to

450
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:44,639
Speaker 2: the brown Now it's the rope Browns, I know, but

451
00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,000
Speaker 2: they stood up against that defense last week and move

452
00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:49,800
Speaker 2: the ball very effectively, and they're a handful offensively.

453
00:20:49,880 --> 00:20:51,640
Speaker 3: What do you think of this? I think mcvay's coach

454
00:20:51,680 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 3: of the year. I mean we can still a name

455
00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:56,760
Speaker 3: like two people on his defense coming in out of

456
00:20:56,760 --> 00:20:59,000
Speaker 3: the lineup building offensive line.

457
00:20:59,080 --> 00:21:01,320
Speaker 2: Karen Williams has been yeah, right, right right.

458
00:21:01,359 --> 00:21:03,399
Speaker 3: I mean he's done a heck of a job. I

459
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:04,760
Speaker 3: mean I thought they were going to compete for the

460
00:21:04,800 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 3: first overall pick this year. They might go the playoffs.

461
00:21:07,080 --> 00:21:09,000
Speaker 2: They might go to the playoffs. If they win this one,

462
00:21:09,280 --> 00:21:10,920
Speaker 2: they got a good chance to go to the trape.

463
00:21:11,000 --> 00:21:13,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can't get around. If it was seven and

464
00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,800
Speaker 3: a half, I take the Rams. I think I'll take

465
00:21:15,840 --> 00:21:16,600
Speaker 3: the Ravens.

466
00:21:16,640 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: As it stands, Yeah, Puka Naku is oney twenty nine

467
00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,800
Speaker 2: receiving yards this season, or fourth most through the player's

468
00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:28,639
Speaker 2: first twelve twelve games since the nineteen seventy merger. Wow,

469
00:21:30,280 --> 00:21:33,200
Speaker 2: and he slowed down a little bit for his early pace.

470
00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:34,080
Speaker 3: Uh.

471
00:21:34,359 --> 00:21:36,439
Speaker 2: Cooper Cup, on the other hand, has fewer than fifty

472
00:21:36,480 --> 00:21:39,080
Speaker 2: receiving yards in six consecutive games.

473
00:21:40,680 --> 00:21:43,280
Speaker 3: I hate to say it, but his career might be dwindling. Yeah,

474
00:21:43,480 --> 00:21:45,720
Speaker 3: he's a little older. He's taking a beating. I know

475
00:21:45,800 --> 00:21:48,320
Speaker 3: that it's injuries and he's fighting through stuff, but it

476
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:49,440
Speaker 3: might be the beginning of the end.

477
00:21:49,640 --> 00:21:51,879
Speaker 2: The Rams are also zero to three against the spread

478
00:21:51,880 --> 00:21:55,520
Speaker 2: in their past three games as an underdog, so keep

479
00:21:55,560 --> 00:21:59,480
Speaker 2: that in mind. We have the nine and three Lions

480
00:21:59,520 --> 00:22:02,040
Speaker 2: at the four Bears. That's a one o'clock game, Detroit

481
00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:04,320
Speaker 2: favored by three and a half, the over under forty

482
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:05,320
Speaker 2: three and a half.

483
00:22:05,640 --> 00:22:08,720
Speaker 3: The Bears have quietly been quite respectable on both sides

484
00:22:08,720 --> 00:22:09,879
Speaker 3: of the ball for the last month.

485
00:22:12,040 --> 00:22:14,640
Speaker 2: This is a team is the Bears team. I think

486
00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,400
Speaker 2: they're four and four over their last eight.

487
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:19,480
Speaker 3: I think so too, like they're doing some good.

488
00:22:19,520 --> 00:22:22,000
Speaker 2: Look at the record again, when people look at records,

489
00:22:22,440 --> 00:22:25,679
Speaker 2: don't just look at the record. Look at what they're like.

490
00:22:25,720 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 2: They're doing that again. I'm not excusing the loss of

491
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,160
Speaker 2: the Patriots last night, but the Cardinals are now two

492
00:22:31,160 --> 00:22:32,720
Speaker 2: and two since they got Kyler Murray back.

493
00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:36,639
Speaker 3: It's a lot different than playing Clayton toon. And the

494
00:22:36,640 --> 00:22:40,240
Speaker 3: fields led team is a lot better than t Bag. Yeah,

495
00:22:40,280 --> 00:22:43,159
Speaker 3: and they added Montes sweat and the defense is Okay.

496
00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 3: Division game on a slow track. I think I'll take

497
00:22:46,200 --> 00:22:46,720
Speaker 3: the Bears.

498
00:22:47,480 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll take the points. I don't think the Lions

499
00:22:49,480 --> 00:22:52,639
Speaker 2: have been playing quite as well. I think they probably

500
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 2: win this game. Probably the home road golf stuff is Yeah,

501
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 2: this is real. Have great respect for the Lions offense though. Yeah,

502
00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:03,520
Speaker 2: defense is struggling. The Bears are one in eight against

503
00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,120
Speaker 2: the spread in their past nine games following a bye.

504
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,600
Speaker 3: Okay, now that's that's pretty specific.

505
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's that has nothing to do with this year.

506
00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:18,600
Speaker 3: That's four coaches ago. Yeah, yeah, right, Alice was bad

507
00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,680
Speaker 3: after a bye. All right.

508
00:23:20,480 --> 00:23:24,160
Speaker 2: We got at one o'clock the eight and four Jaguars

509
00:23:24,240 --> 00:23:26,880
Speaker 2: at the seven and five Browns. Cleveland favored by three.

510
00:23:27,000 --> 00:23:29,560
Speaker 2: The over under in this one. Are you ready for it?

511
00:23:29,640 --> 00:23:32,200
Speaker 2: I know it's Steeler low thirty and a half.

512
00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 3: Wow, it's really is that low? Give me the points

513
00:23:36,400 --> 00:23:39,000
Speaker 3: in a game like that. I mean, the thing is,

514
00:23:39,040 --> 00:23:41,360
Speaker 3: I don't know how to comment because, well, you think

515
00:23:41,359 --> 00:23:43,160
Speaker 3: that battered Lawrence or battered Bethard.

516
00:23:43,359 --> 00:23:45,640
Speaker 2: They're saying that Lawrence is going to be a game

517
00:23:45,680 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 2: time decision.

518
00:23:46,800 --> 00:23:47,119
Speaker 3: Okay.

519
00:23:47,840 --> 00:23:51,200
Speaker 2: And then the Browns came out today and Kevin Stefanski

520
00:23:51,240 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 2: said he hasn't decided who his quarterback is going to be.

521
00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:58,240
Speaker 3: Apparently apparently healthy.

522
00:23:58,600 --> 00:24:00,720
Speaker 2: He's healthy again now, mm hmm.

523
00:24:01,480 --> 00:24:04,560
Speaker 3: Okay. I don't know if I believe that that might

524
00:24:04,600 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 3: have been the best Browns quarterback game of the year

525
00:24:08,040 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 3: last year, last week, well, that might be a bit rich.

526
00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 3: None of them have been good.

527
00:24:12,800 --> 00:24:14,840
Speaker 2: He didn't exactly like the world on fire.

528
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:19,440
Speaker 3: No, but the bar lost the game. Yeah, I bet

529
00:24:19,520 --> 00:24:22,639
Speaker 3: Flacco starts. I just want points in that game. If

530
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:25,280
Speaker 3: it's gonna be that low scoring, I mean I can't

531
00:24:25,320 --> 00:24:26,119
Speaker 3: I'll take the points.

532
00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:29,119
Speaker 2: Yeah. The Browns are eight one and one against the

533
00:24:29,160 --> 00:24:32,120
Speaker 2: spread in their past ten games following a loss.

534
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,679
Speaker 3: That leads back to last year. Yeah, maybe there's something too.

535
00:24:36,840 --> 00:24:37,199
Speaker 3: Maybe not.

536
00:24:37,359 --> 00:24:39,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's gonna be a close game. I

537
00:24:40,600 --> 00:24:43,200
Speaker 2: do think the Browns home road split things are real. Yeah,

538
00:24:44,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: but I do think also that Miles Garrett is not

539
00:24:47,160 --> 00:24:48,600
Speaker 2: Miles Garrett right now, and.

540
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:51,200
Speaker 3: So I wish Christian Kirk was in the game. Yeah, yeah,

541
00:24:51,280 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 3: he's important.

542
00:24:53,160 --> 00:24:59,040
Speaker 2: At five and seven, the Buccaneers travel to the the

543
00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:03,439
Speaker 2: NFC South leading Buccaneers at six and six, Atlanta favored

544
00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:05,560
Speaker 2: by one and a half, the division leader, favored by

545
00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,320
Speaker 2: one and a half, and the over under thirty nine

546
00:25:08,320 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 2: and a half. Who Buccaneers.

547
00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:12,560
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, Atlanta in Tampa.

548
00:25:13,400 --> 00:25:15,240
Speaker 2: No, Tampa's in Atlanta.

549
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 3: Tampa's in Atlanta. Yeah, I like Falcons your big to

550
00:25:17,800 --> 00:25:19,560
Speaker 3: be honest with you. Yeah, I don't think Tampa's gonna

551
00:25:19,600 --> 00:25:20,080
Speaker 3: off the run.

552
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,480
Speaker 2: No, I don't think they will either.

553
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:23,040
Speaker 3: Yeah.

554
00:25:23,840 --> 00:25:27,320
Speaker 2: How about this, though, the Buccaneers are five and one

555
00:25:27,359 --> 00:25:31,440
Speaker 2: against the spread on the road, despite four straight road losses.

556
00:25:32,960 --> 00:25:35,800
Speaker 3: That's really tough to do. Swing Yeah, okay, and if

557
00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:36,800
Speaker 3: they were to make.

558
00:25:36,720 --> 00:25:40,120
Speaker 2: That six and one, they'd have to cover they it's

559
00:25:40,200 --> 00:25:41,280
Speaker 2: one and a half point spread.

560
00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,680
Speaker 3: Well yeah, again, not easy to do. Wow, that is

561
00:25:44,760 --> 00:25:45,600
Speaker 3: quite the anomaly.

562
00:25:47,400 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 2: Uh, you got the one and eleven Panthers at the

563
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:52,000
Speaker 2: five and seven Saints.

564
00:25:52,000 --> 00:25:52,360
Speaker 3: Thank god.

565
00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:54,840
Speaker 2: These are one o'clock games and don't have to watch these. Yeah,

566
00:25:54,920 --> 00:25:57,520
Speaker 2: New Orleans favored by five, the over under thirty seven

567
00:25:57,600 --> 00:25:58,080
Speaker 2: and a half.

568
00:25:58,800 --> 00:26:01,320
Speaker 3: I can't take the Panthers, Just can't. I don't care

569
00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,120
Speaker 3: who the Saints quarterback is. No, in New Orleans, tough

570
00:26:04,119 --> 00:26:05,840
Speaker 3: places to play for the rookie quarterback. Now.

571
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:10,119
Speaker 2: Yeah, Carolina was the first team eliminated from the playoffs

572
00:26:10,119 --> 00:26:12,600
Speaker 2: this year, and they don't have a first round pick.

573
00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 3: Brutal. Yeah, they might have the thirty third pick as

574
00:26:15,560 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 3: their first choice. Oh, brutal.

575
00:26:17,320 --> 00:26:24,840
Speaker 2: Yeah. When Hubbard has had eighteen or more CHEWBA Hubbard

576
00:26:24,840 --> 00:26:27,760
Speaker 2: has had eighteen or more touches, accumulated ninety or more yards,

577
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,840
Speaker 2: and scored twenty or more fans Hubbard has scored that

578
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:37,080
Speaker 2: in two straight games, twenty points in each game. They're

579
00:26:37,160 --> 00:26:38,240
Speaker 2: rolling with him.

580
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:40,879
Speaker 3: I think he's a guy. Yeah. I don't think they

581
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:43,919
Speaker 3: like Miles Sanders. No, he is a very inconsistent player.

582
00:26:44,359 --> 00:26:44,840
Speaker 3: How about this.

583
00:26:45,600 --> 00:26:49,199
Speaker 2: The Saints are zero to five against the spread at

584
00:26:49,200 --> 00:26:52,040
Speaker 2: home this season, really, making them the only team yet

585
00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:52,840
Speaker 2: to cover at home.

586
00:26:53,280 --> 00:26:56,240
Speaker 3: Makes me just think people think they're better than what

587
00:26:56,280 --> 00:26:58,679
Speaker 3: they are. Five spots on the power rank higher than

588
00:26:58,720 --> 00:26:59,399
Speaker 3: they really are.

589
00:26:59,560 --> 00:27:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, you get the seven and five Texans. There's a

590
00:27:03,680 --> 00:27:06,000
Speaker 2: very important game now at the four and eight Jets.

591
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:09,000
Speaker 2: Houston favored by four and a half, the over under

592
00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:11,680
Speaker 2: this one just thirty two and a half and Zach

593
00:27:11,720 --> 00:27:14,000
Speaker 2: Wilson back in the back in the saddle again.

594
00:27:14,440 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 3: Say what you want. I think Wilson's their best starter. Yeah,

595
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:19,040
Speaker 3: I mean he's their best option. I mean, he's not

596
00:27:19,160 --> 00:27:20,679
Speaker 3: ever gonna live up to being the second pick in

597
00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: the draft. I don't love a young Houston team going

598
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:27,159
Speaker 3: to New.

599
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 2: York, right, Yeah, it's gonna be a struggle.

600
00:27:29,000 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 3: I'm gonna take him anyways. I think the Jets are

601
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:33,439
Speaker 3: in a bad place. I must your sala is a

602
00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,479
Speaker 3: good coach either. It'd be tough to throw the football

603
00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:39,160
Speaker 3: in that Oh it's gonna be yeah. Yeah, I might

604
00:27:39,200 --> 00:27:40,439
Speaker 3: just take the under and the points.

605
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:41,639
Speaker 2: I don't know what to do with that could end

606
00:27:41,720 --> 00:27:42,960
Speaker 2: up being like a thirteen to ten game.

607
00:27:43,040 --> 00:27:44,560
Speaker 3: It absolutely could. I mean.

608
00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:47,080
Speaker 2: I think points.

609
00:27:47,200 --> 00:27:50,439
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm talking in that too. They do get the

610
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,679
Speaker 3: ball in Wilson in Hall's hands, maybe they do something one.

611
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,920
Speaker 2: Thing or the unders are five one in the jets

612
00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,720
Speaker 2: past six games, all three straight Texas. The last three

613
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:01,640
Speaker 2: Texans games have also gone under.

614
00:28:01,800 --> 00:28:04,560
Speaker 3: Really Strouds turned the ball over a little bit and

615
00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:07,359
Speaker 3: they don't have tanked del Maybe they try to just

616
00:28:07,440 --> 00:28:09,960
Speaker 3: run it. Yeah, I'll take the points four and a half.

617
00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is now a big game at one o'clock.

618
00:28:14,760 --> 00:28:17,320
Speaker 2: All three AFC North teams play at one o'clock.

619
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:19,639
Speaker 3: There's a handful of games. The Steelers have some massive

620
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,560
Speaker 3: rooting interest and all of a sudden you get.

621
00:28:21,400 --> 00:28:24,879
Speaker 2: The seven and five Colts at the six and six Bengals.

622
00:28:25,240 --> 00:28:28,160
Speaker 2: Indianapolis favored by one. The over under is forty three

623
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:28,760
Speaker 2: and a half.

624
00:28:28,880 --> 00:28:31,200
Speaker 3: We definitely want the Bengals to win, though, yes, yeah,

625
00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 3: I mean they're not dead.

626
00:28:32,119 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: They lose all the tie breakers and yeah, yeah, yeah,

627
00:28:35,520 --> 00:28:36,840
Speaker 2: I actually like the Bengals.

628
00:28:36,640 --> 00:28:40,360
Speaker 3: Winning too too. I'm not super sold on the quarterback,

629
00:28:40,440 --> 00:28:43,640
Speaker 3: but they have a lot of talent around them. Yeah,

630
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:45,640
Speaker 3: you know, and Indies very up and down.

631
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:48,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, they've won four in a row, but it's been

632
00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,800
Speaker 2: four in a row against really really.

633
00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:55,040
Speaker 3: Block punts and yeah, fumble Returnsluky and Minshew doing crazy stuff.

634
00:28:56,040 --> 00:28:58,720
Speaker 2: He try to do crazy stuff again in this one.

635
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 2: And really Indianapolis's or yeah, Indianapolis passing game is one guy.

636
00:29:04,360 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 3: M it is I wish the Bengals d was better

637
00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 3: though for this bet. I mean, I still don't understand

638
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:12,160
Speaker 3: why it's a bottom seven or eight defense.

639
00:29:12,200 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 2: Doesn't make sense. But the one thing that they did

640
00:29:15,000 --> 00:29:18,240
Speaker 2: do against Jacksonville that they didn't do against the Steelers

641
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:19,760
Speaker 2: was give the ball to Mixing.

642
00:29:20,240 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, yes, they tried to chase a lot.

643
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:26,520
Speaker 2: So you know you're at least trying to make it

644
00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:28,800
Speaker 2: easier on your young quarterback and shorten the game for

645
00:29:28,840 --> 00:29:31,120
Speaker 2: your defense. Yeah, you don't have Joe Burrow anymore.

646
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:32,680
Speaker 3: I'm sure that's what they'll do from here on now.

647
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I like I like the Bengals straight up

648
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:37,720
Speaker 2: to win that it's in.

649
00:29:37,680 --> 00:29:40,120
Speaker 3: Their place, right, Yeah. Yeah.

650
00:29:40,120 --> 00:29:42,640
Speaker 2: We got the six and six Vikings at the five

651
00:29:42,680 --> 00:29:46,240
Speaker 2: and seven Raiders. Minnesota favored by three. This is a

652
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,560
Speaker 2: big game in the NFC. The over under forty and

653
00:29:48,600 --> 00:29:49,080
Speaker 2: a half.

654
00:29:49,280 --> 00:29:51,720
Speaker 3: I think the Vikings blow their doors off. Yeah, I'm

655
00:29:51,800 --> 00:29:52,880
Speaker 3: sure Crosby plays.

656
00:29:53,000 --> 00:29:55,680
Speaker 2: I don't know if O'Connell's a NFL quarterback.

657
00:29:55,800 --> 00:29:59,040
Speaker 3: Yeah. The last month or so their offense is the

658
00:29:59,080 --> 00:30:02,240
Speaker 3: Vikings blit's the out of them and Jefferson's back Lockinson

659
00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 3: against that, you know, Josh just don't turn it over.

660
00:30:05,600 --> 00:30:07,880
Speaker 3: Went in doubt. Chuck it up. This Jefferson guy that

661
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:09,560
Speaker 3: you'll be very happy to play with. Yeah.

662
00:30:09,560 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 2: The only thing that scares me is that Josh Dobbs

663
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,760
Speaker 2: has five interceptions and a fumbling in Minnesota's last two games.

664
00:30:15,800 --> 00:30:18,760
Speaker 3: It's bad. Yeah, can't you think all over? O'Connell spent

665
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,160
Speaker 3: two weeks with them, Josh, this is what we need.

666
00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:22,640
Speaker 2: Do not turn the ball up.

667
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:27,600
Speaker 3: We got the six and six Seahawks at.

668
00:30:27,480 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 2: The nine and three forty nine Ers. That's a four

669
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:33,120
Speaker 2: o'clock game. San Francisco favored by ten and a half.

670
00:30:33,120 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 2: That's the biggest spread of the weekend. The over under

671
00:30:35,800 --> 00:30:39,840
Speaker 2: is forty six and a half. I love the forty nine.

672
00:30:39,760 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 3: Ers me too. I was hoping you were going to

673
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,040
Speaker 3: say Seattle's like, man, I don't see where you're coming from.

674
00:30:44,320 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 3: Gino's even questionable. I mean, what if it's.

675
00:30:46,360 --> 00:30:48,680
Speaker 2: Lock Oh man, this could be ugly.

676
00:30:49,080 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 3: To be honest, as long as it's not some outlandish

677
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: spread San fran verse. Whoever. Right now, I'm taking that,

678
00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,160
Speaker 3: especially at home at home, right I'm just taking the

679
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: Niners unless it's like, oh, they're favored by twenty eight. No,

680
00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,520
Speaker 3: I think they're that good.

681
00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,960
Speaker 2: How about this, The Seahawks are fifty two, thirty four

682
00:31:05,040 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 2: and two against the spread, his underdogs under Pete Carroll.

683
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:13,280
Speaker 3: That's a Tomlin call Harbaugh type of thing, right, And

684
00:31:14,120 --> 00:31:16,560
Speaker 3: Belichick just added to his last night. I mean, these

685
00:31:16,600 --> 00:31:19,280
Speaker 3: guys they know how to win the league.

686
00:31:19,440 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll still take the forty.

687
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:23,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I know they know how to win two.

688
00:31:23,160 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 2: The Big four to thirty game, the Big four, thirty

689
00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 2: six and six Bills at the eight and four Chiefs

690
00:31:29,000 --> 00:31:31,440
Speaker 2: Kansas City favored by one and a half points. He

691
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:34,680
Speaker 2: over under his forty eight and a half. I don't

692
00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:35,880
Speaker 2: think he gets that over under.

693
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 3: See. We had a really fun conversation about this on

694
00:31:38,320 --> 00:31:40,520
Speaker 3: the podcast because it started out with that, and I said,

695
00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 3: I mean too, I think both these teams will play

696
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:44,720
Speaker 3: close to the vest and it's super important and.

697
00:31:45,160 --> 00:31:46,560
Speaker 2: Chief I don't think the Chiefs want to get in

698
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:47,040
Speaker 2: the shootout.

699
00:31:47,120 --> 00:31:49,920
Speaker 3: I don't either. And this is where the conversation went though,

700
00:31:50,080 --> 00:31:52,800
Speaker 3: is like, the Chiefs definitely want to play close to

701
00:31:52,840 --> 00:31:55,920
Speaker 3: the vest. Trust their defense at home, They're never going

702
00:31:55,960 --> 00:31:58,520
Speaker 3: to lose two in a row. But then I start talking,

703
00:31:58,720 --> 00:32:00,400
Speaker 3: we start talking through it, and I'm like and then

704
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,040
Speaker 3: Allen's gonna make one throw, and then Mahomes gonna say

705
00:32:03,240 --> 00:32:05,640
Speaker 3: I can make that throw, and then again, and then

706
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:07,880
Speaker 3: Mahomes gonna do it again. Then I'm gonna roll left.

707
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:09,800
Speaker 3: I'm gonna throw a seventy yard bomb of the right,

708
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 3: and then before you know it, those two just have

709
00:32:11,520 --> 00:32:14,720
Speaker 3: their guns out and you know the OK Corral and

710
00:32:14,840 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 3: the fourth quarter will look a lot different than the

711
00:32:16,680 --> 00:32:19,120
Speaker 3: first quarter. I don't know who I like to win, though.

712
00:32:19,000 --> 00:32:21,040
Speaker 2: I think it's a toss up game. And in a

713
00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:23,040
Speaker 2: toss up game, I'll take the team that's at home.

714
00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:25,920
Speaker 3: I lean that way too, and that's a tough place

715
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 3: to play. Chiefs losing two in a row doesn't happen.

716
00:32:28,360 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 2: The Bills are also one in four on the road

717
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:33,200
Speaker 2: this year. Yeah, I mean they've lost to the Patriots,

718
00:32:33,680 --> 00:32:35,960
Speaker 2: They've lost to the Jets on the road.

719
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:38,520
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, I mean the points and all that imply

720
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:41,720
Speaker 3: they think this is an even game, which I get.

721
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 3: But it's in Kansas.

722
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:43,640
Speaker 2: It's in Kansas.

723
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh youah.

724
00:32:45,600 --> 00:32:48,000
Speaker 2: The four to thirty game. The Broncos at six and

725
00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:52,560
Speaker 2: six at the Chargers. The Chargers favored by three. The

726
00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:54,560
Speaker 2: over under is forty three and a half.

727
00:32:54,680 --> 00:32:55,840
Speaker 3: I think the wrong team's favored.

728
00:32:57,960 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 2: I don't know.

729
00:32:59,280 --> 00:33:01,080
Speaker 3: I don't ever know what to think of the Chargers,

730
00:33:01,120 --> 00:33:04,120
Speaker 3: I'll be honest. Yeah, they scored six points last week,

731
00:33:04,400 --> 00:33:08,680
Speaker 3: but they won, and they won. I think Denver so

732
00:33:08,800 --> 00:33:11,440
Speaker 3: much better coached and can control the flow of the game.

733
00:33:12,160 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 3: What's the crowd going to be like, doesn't even matter,

734
00:33:15,080 --> 00:33:16,880
Speaker 3: you know. I mean, it's not gonna be heavy. Charger

735
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 3: tough place to play. I think Denver wins.

736
00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,960
Speaker 2: The Chargers have won the last three at home against

737
00:33:23,000 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 2: the Broncos.

738
00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's three years in a row.

739
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 2: But yeah, fine, Yeah, I just.

740
00:33:31,800 --> 00:33:33,240
Speaker 3: I have a hard time putting my money on the

741
00:33:33,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 3: Chargers in any way. I hear you.

742
00:33:36,080 --> 00:33:38,000
Speaker 2: I have a hard time betting on the would have

743
00:33:38,040 --> 00:33:40,440
Speaker 2: a hard time betting on the Broncos though, too. I

744
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 2: don't know.

745
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,480
Speaker 3: They're not necessarily good. Yeah, one more loss gets them

746
00:33:44,480 --> 00:33:45,200
Speaker 3: out of the way, right.

747
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,760
Speaker 2: They'd be six and seven for the Chargers win that game,

748
00:33:47,800 --> 00:33:48,840
Speaker 2: they would be six and seven.

749
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

750
00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 2: Again, I think it's another toss up game and I'll

751
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 2: go with the home team.

752
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:57,640
Speaker 3: I'll definitely take the points. I think Denver wins the.

753
00:33:57,560 --> 00:34:01,600
Speaker 2: Big game at eight thirty, the ten and two Eagles

754
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:04,440
Speaker 2: are at the nine and three Cowboys Dallas favored by

755
00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 2: three and a half. The Eagles getting no respect right

756
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:09,400
Speaker 2: now or not. The over runner is fifty one and

757
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 2: a half.

758
00:34:10,360 --> 00:34:13,280
Speaker 3: So I worry people are overreacting to that Eagles loss

759
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 3: because I think the Niners are just such a bad

760
00:34:16,040 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 3: matchup for their linebackers and safeties. And the week before

761
00:34:19,480 --> 00:34:22,440
Speaker 3: that the Eagles played a ton of snaps and we're

762
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 3: a little banged up for that game. But I think

763
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:28,040
Speaker 3: Dallas is better than the Eagles right now. I just

764
00:34:28,040 --> 00:34:32,120
Speaker 3: don't know if they can slay the Dragon. I mean

765
00:34:32,160 --> 00:34:36,640
Speaker 3: there's that Miami Dallas. Give me a good win before

766
00:34:36,680 --> 00:34:37,680
Speaker 3: I can say you're.

767
00:34:37,680 --> 00:34:40,120
Speaker 2: I'm with you. I'll take those points all day long.

768
00:34:40,280 --> 00:34:41,480
Speaker 3: Yeah. I lean that way too.

769
00:34:41,640 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 2: And I know Dak Prescott is well, he's in the

770
00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:52,760
Speaker 2: MVP consideration all that stuff. Again, I'll I think, until

771
00:34:52,760 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 2: you show me you can do it, I'm gonna go

772
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 2: with the Eagles.

773
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, give me a big win before I can say

774
00:34:57,200 --> 00:34:59,239
Speaker 3: you're gonna beat the big dog by what three and

775
00:34:59,239 --> 00:35:01,960
Speaker 3: a half? Wasn't u? Yeah? And again it sunded like

776
00:35:02,000 --> 00:35:03,600
Speaker 3: the Chiefs. So do we think the Eagles anna lose

777
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:04,120
Speaker 3: two in a row.

778
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 2: They do that very of ten and two at this point.

779
00:35:06,800 --> 00:35:08,080
Speaker 2: They didn't get there by accident.

780
00:35:08,360 --> 00:35:09,719
Speaker 3: They don't do it very often. Right.

781
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 2: Ah, then the big month will get two Monday night games.

782
00:35:14,160 --> 00:35:16,600
Speaker 3: This week, I know at the same time, and there's.

783
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,040
Speaker 2: Maybe Monday Show will have to do a little Yeah,

784
00:35:19,120 --> 00:35:21,520
Speaker 2: let's do that four game or two fourteen DFS.

785
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, we again put a four team er together.

786
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:28,040
Speaker 2: You got the four and eight Titans at the nine

787
00:35:28,040 --> 00:35:30,839
Speaker 2: and three Dolphins Miami. This is the biggest spread on Yeah,

788
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 2: I know thirteen Miami is favored by the over runners

789
00:35:33,480 --> 00:35:37,000
Speaker 2: forty six and a half. I'll lay those points all

790
00:35:37,080 --> 00:35:37,600
Speaker 2: day too.

791
00:35:38,960 --> 00:35:41,799
Speaker 3: I said that on the show today they don't have

792
00:35:41,840 --> 00:35:44,000
Speaker 3: the team speed to keep up with those three from

793
00:35:44,000 --> 00:35:45,000
Speaker 3: including a Chan and.

794
00:35:44,960 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 2: That Jeffrey Simmons isn't playing not playing Dolphins.

795
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:50,880
Speaker 3: D has been really really good lately. Levis looks like

796
00:35:50,880 --> 00:35:53,920
Speaker 3: a mess. I don't think that's a competitive game at all.

797
00:35:53,920 --> 00:35:55,320
Speaker 2: No, I think it's going to be a blowout.

798
00:35:55,800 --> 00:35:57,279
Speaker 3: And then then we have a Dolphin or two in

799
00:35:57,320 --> 00:36:00,640
Speaker 3: our DFS team. We all Dolphins. Yeah. Right.

800
00:36:01,800 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 2: The other game the six and six Packers, who are

801
00:36:04,080 --> 00:36:07,120
Speaker 2: currently in a playoff spot in the NFC are at

802
00:36:07,239 --> 00:36:10,960
Speaker 2: the four and eight Giants Green Bays favor by six

803
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:11,520
Speaker 2: and a half.

804
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:16,640
Speaker 3: I'm taking the Packers, but this is a time when

805
00:36:16,680 --> 00:36:20,759
Speaker 3: a really young team and an ascending quarterback goes to

806
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,440
Speaker 3: a pretty physical New York team and maybe stubs her

807
00:36:25,480 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 3: toe a little as they learn how to win.

808
00:36:27,200 --> 00:36:29,040
Speaker 2: Yeah, the over unders thirty six and a half.

809
00:36:29,120 --> 00:36:30,600
Speaker 3: I just wish the Giants were a little better.

810
00:36:30,600 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: I think I take the under in this too.

811
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think I would do. I don't think, you know,

812
00:36:34,920 --> 00:36:36,480
Speaker 3: love all of a sudden throws for four hundred.

813
00:36:36,600 --> 00:36:38,640
Speaker 2: No, I think it's gonna be like even when he's

814
00:36:38,680 --> 00:36:41,799
Speaker 2: played well, he's kind of it's in spurts, you know,

815
00:36:41,960 --> 00:36:44,160
Speaker 2: just it's either in. He had a great fourth quarter.

816
00:36:44,400 --> 00:36:46,399
Speaker 2: He you know, really started off hot in this game

817
00:36:46,400 --> 00:36:47,040
Speaker 2: and then kind of.

818
00:36:47,000 --> 00:36:48,960
Speaker 3: Just got through it. Tyrod starting.

819
00:36:49,760 --> 00:36:51,960
Speaker 2: I know they're starting Tommy DeVito again.

820
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,960
Speaker 3: And Tyrod's healthy. Tyrod is healthy. Yeah, they just know

821
00:36:55,000 --> 00:36:56,839
Speaker 3: who he is, so I push him in there. Yeah.

822
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,560
Speaker 3: I'm not sure they want to win super bad either.

823
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 2: No, I kind of like to I'll take the points there.

824
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: I think the Packers win it, but I think it's

825
00:37:06,200 --> 00:37:08,160
Speaker 2: gonna be a low scoring game. I think they went

826
00:37:08,320 --> 00:37:11,160
Speaker 2: like seventeen fourteen or something like that, or seventeen thirteen.

827
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:13,759
Speaker 3: I could definitely see it in them not being super impressive.

828
00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:15,719
Speaker 3: Young teams that get ahead of their skis worry me

829
00:37:15,760 --> 00:37:16,040
Speaker 3: a little.

830
00:37:16,080 --> 00:37:18,279
Speaker 2: A Monday night game and you know in New.

831
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 3: York I'm gonna take the Packers very reluctantly.

832
00:37:21,280 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 2: Okay, yeah, I don't love that game one way, one way.

833
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:26,600
Speaker 2: Not one of my favorites are on the slate. It

834
00:37:26,680 --> 00:37:28,880
Speaker 2: feels much better about some of those other games. But

835
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: good slate of games this week.

836
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:32,799
Speaker 3: No, there's some big ones, so we want. We went

837
00:37:32,880 --> 00:37:34,720
Speaker 3: to Colts to lose, We went the Browns to lose.

838
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:38,840
Speaker 3: Be nicely, Denver, get out of the way. You'd like

839
00:37:38,840 --> 00:37:41,360
Speaker 3: to see the Bills lose. A Houston loss wouldn't pish somebody.

840
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:43,439
Speaker 3: The other one I couldn't come up with. Yeah, they're

841
00:37:43,480 --> 00:37:45,440
Speaker 3: all feasible. Yeah, those are huge, you.

842
00:37:45,440 --> 00:37:48,080
Speaker 2: Know, tough games this time of year. You know, one

843
00:37:48,120 --> 00:37:50,359
Speaker 2: thing the land and Roberts told me last night was that,

844
00:37:51,120 --> 00:37:54,320
Speaker 2: you know, at this time of year, records really don't

845
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:58,920
Speaker 2: matter when you you know, you every every opponent is

846
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:01,680
Speaker 2: now kind of figured out what they are at this point.

847
00:38:01,800 --> 00:38:04,920
Speaker 3: And you can't really rewrite it. No, you have these weaknesses,

848
00:38:04,960 --> 00:38:06,400
Speaker 3: you have to overcome them, and.

849
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:09,480
Speaker 2: The tape is out there. Everybody knows everything about everybody else,

850
00:38:09,520 --> 00:38:10,840
Speaker 2: and so you attack those things.

851
00:38:11,560 --> 00:38:13,440
Speaker 3: From this point on until Super Bowl was just a

852
00:38:13,480 --> 00:38:17,400
Speaker 3: war of attrition. Yeah, stay healthy. Everyone has wounds. Hopefully

853
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:18,279
Speaker 3: you just don't bleed out.

854
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:20,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know that's this week.

855
00:38:21,040 --> 00:38:23,040
Speaker 3: Say, Eagles a lot of things wrong with them right now.

856
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:25,040
Speaker 2: They could they could go out and beat the Cowboys

857
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,560
Speaker 2: and everybody's going, wow, it was Eagle ty.

858
00:38:26,920 --> 00:38:28,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was a pretty good team before they get

859
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:32,240
Speaker 3: beat bad and fire their old team. Yeah, it hurt stinks,

860
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:33,840
Speaker 3: you know, No, he doesn't.

861
00:38:36,120 --> 00:38:38,000
Speaker 2: Anyways, we're going to get to another break. He is

862
00:38:38,160 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale Lolli. You're listening to the

863
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 2: Drive here on Steelers Nation Radio. We'll be back to

864
00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:48,600
Speaker 2: finish up the show right after this.

865
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Speaker 1: This He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson

866
00:38:52,320 --> 00:38:54,520
Speaker 1: on your twenty four to seven home of the Black

867
00:38:54,560 --> 00:38:59,319
Speaker 1: and Gold Steelers Nation Radio.

868
00:39:00,640 --> 00:39:02,720
Speaker 3: Welcome back to the Drive. I am Dale Lolli.

869
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:06,800
Speaker 2: He is the Matt Williamson and Matt just to finish

870
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,640
Speaker 2: up the show here we didn't talk a lot about

871
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 2: the Southern to make mention that Hines Ward and James

872
00:39:12,080 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 2: Harrison were on the list of a fifteen final Yeah. Yeah,

873
00:39:16,120 --> 00:39:19,279
Speaker 2: twenty five finalists, I should say for the modern era

874
00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:22,440
Speaker 2: semi finalists for the Pro Football Hall of Fame. So

875
00:39:22,480 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: I just wanted to roll through this list a little bit.

876
00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,719
Speaker 3: I don't even know it. I wanted to touch on this. Yeah.

877
00:39:26,800 --> 00:39:29,279
Speaker 3: So the it's a nounced Super Bowl weekend, right or

878
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,920
Speaker 3: right a round super Bowl. Yeah.

879
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,800
Speaker 2: So they'll trim this list from twenty five down to fifteen,

880
00:39:34,320 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 2: and then fifteen will then be presented to the Hall

881
00:39:37,560 --> 00:39:39,960
Speaker 2: of Fame voters, gotcha, and they'll vote for five.

882
00:39:40,200 --> 00:39:43,200
Speaker 3: Yeah. It's rough. Yeah. So the plus room, dude like

883
00:39:43,200 --> 00:39:44,279
Speaker 3: passes the eyeball test.

884
00:39:44,520 --> 00:39:47,839
Speaker 2: Okay, So first up here, he got Eric Allen, cornerback

885
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,719
Speaker 2: with the Eagles, the Saints, the Raiders. I think he's

886
00:39:50,760 --> 00:39:52,280
Speaker 2: been a semi finalist four times.

887
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:53,960
Speaker 3: I think he's part of the first cuts.

888
00:39:54,280 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, we've been a semi finalist though twenty one through

889
00:39:57,080 --> 00:39:59,839
Speaker 2: twenty four, so he's made it to this point all

890
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:01,440
Speaker 2: every year.

891
00:40:01,520 --> 00:40:02,919
Speaker 3: Yeah. I me, yeah, I'm not cutting these guys.

892
00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:07,440
Speaker 2: But you get Jared Allen of course, Kansas City Chiefs

893
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:11,480
Speaker 2: defensive end, Minnesota Vikings, Chicago Bears, Carolina Panthers. He's been

894
00:40:11,520 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 2: a semi finalist now four times. A lot of sacks, a.

895
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 3: Lot of sacks. I bet he gets to the next

896
00:40:17,000 --> 00:40:19,600
Speaker 3: cuts though. Yeah, I mean, I don't think they send

897
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 3: him out the door.

898
00:40:21,160 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 2: Willie Anderson offensive Bengals fans right for the Bengals, yeah,

899
00:40:26,400 --> 00:40:28,400
Speaker 2: also for the Ravens in two thousand and eight. This

900
00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:31,759
Speaker 2: is his fourth time as a semi finalist. I just

901
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 2: don't see him as a Hall of Fame.

902
00:40:32,800 --> 00:40:34,720
Speaker 3: I mean neither. No, I think he's a Ring of honor.

903
00:40:35,000 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 3: One of the best Bengals ever, great respect, but not quite.

904
00:40:38,760 --> 00:40:42,080
Speaker 2: Tiki Barber ninety seven through two thousand and six with

905
00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 2: the Giants. This is his first time as a semi finalist.

906
00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 2: He's not Hall of Famer now.

907
00:40:47,440 --> 00:40:50,279
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I do if you look at

908
00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:51,759
Speaker 3: his numbers are better than you think.

909
00:40:51,920 --> 00:40:52,640
Speaker 2: Oh yeah yeah.

910
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: As a receiver for that era too, but he doesn't

911
00:40:55,400 --> 00:40:56,360
Speaker 3: pass the stiff test.

912
00:40:56,239 --> 00:41:00,279
Speaker 2: For me and Kwam Bolden, that wide receiver with the

913
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:03,640
Speaker 2: Arizona Cardinals, the Baltimore Ravens, the San Francisco forty nine Ers,

914
00:41:03,680 --> 00:41:06,799
Speaker 2: the Detroit Lions. This is his third time as a

915
00:41:06,800 --> 00:41:09,920
Speaker 2: semi finalist. There's some other guys that have to go

916
00:41:09,960 --> 00:41:10,360
Speaker 2: in before.

917
00:41:10,400 --> 00:41:12,720
Speaker 3: That's the thing is like the Steve Smith's and Andre

918
00:41:12,920 --> 00:41:16,120
Speaker 3: Johnson's and Tory Holtz and Isaac Bruce and the guys

919
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:18,920
Speaker 3: that are on the cusp or I know, the guys

920
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,279
Speaker 3: that are either gotten in recently or you know, on

921
00:41:21,320 --> 00:41:23,239
Speaker 3: the on the door or all ahead of and Kwan

922
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 3: Boldner Hinz Ward, they're about the same. Yeah, really tough guys.

923
00:41:28,000 --> 00:41:30,640
Speaker 3: You love them on your team. Go by their jersey,

924
00:41:31,160 --> 00:41:31,920
Speaker 3: not Hall of famers.

925
00:41:32,600 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 2: See, I think I think Ward could. I mean, I

926
00:41:34,480 --> 00:41:38,760
Speaker 2: think both of those guys have a legitimate if there

927
00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:42,399
Speaker 2: if there wasn't the backlog of wide receivers, I think

928
00:41:42,440 --> 00:41:44,120
Speaker 2: both of those guys are Hall of Famers.

929
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,600
Speaker 3: It's kind of a backhanded compliment, but they seem like

930
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 3: veteran committee guys.

931
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:50,880
Speaker 2: Well that's tough too though, because they only get like

932
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 2: one a year.

933
00:41:51,480 --> 00:41:53,920
Speaker 3: One a year. I mean that's like twenty years from

934
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:55,759
Speaker 3: now though. Yeah, you know both of them might be

935
00:41:57,080 --> 00:42:00,279
Speaker 3: gone by that time. Yeah, right, it's brutal guard.

936
00:42:00,400 --> 00:42:05,239
Speaker 2: Jahari Evans Saints Packers. This is his second time as

937
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:06,360
Speaker 2: a semi finalist.

938
00:42:06,520 --> 00:42:07,839
Speaker 3: I think he's just falls short too.

939
00:42:08,000 --> 00:42:10,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's not in that same class as Fanica and Hutchinson.

940
00:42:10,960 --> 00:42:13,440
Speaker 3: Now, good player right below those guys, right, you got

941
00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:14,480
Speaker 3: a pretty special guard.

942
00:42:15,160 --> 00:42:19,279
Speaker 2: London Fletcher at linebacker the Rams, the Bills, the Redskins.

943
00:42:20,400 --> 00:42:23,799
Speaker 2: Second time as a semi finalist. Again, good player, not

944
00:42:23,840 --> 00:42:24,319
Speaker 2: a Hall of Fame.

945
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 3: I know Zach Thomas got in, but he's not even that.

946
00:42:26,960 --> 00:42:30,000
Speaker 2: Sam Mills got in. Line Fletcher is a better player

947
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 2: than Sam Mills, but I didn't think Sam Mills desert.

948
00:42:32,080 --> 00:42:33,640
Speaker 3: You know, I don't want to hear you're the best

949
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:36,319
Speaker 3: short linebacker ever. I don't care who. It doesn't mean

950
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: you're better than tall linebackers.

951
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:44,800
Speaker 2: Dwight Freeney played two thousand and two to twenty seventeen

952
00:42:44,840 --> 00:42:48,400
Speaker 2: with the Colts, the Chargers, the Cardinals, the Falcons, the Seahawks,

953
00:42:48,440 --> 00:42:49,120
Speaker 2: and the Lions.

954
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,040
Speaker 3: Well, a lot of these guys the last two years

955
00:42:51,080 --> 00:42:52,680
Speaker 3: of their career played for a bunch of.

956
00:42:52,640 --> 00:42:56,920
Speaker 2: Seventeen different teams. Here's the thing about Freeye. I went

957
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,359
Speaker 2: back and did this last year in Harrison's first year.

958
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:04,560
Speaker 2: Grrison's best five seasons were more productive than Dwight Freenie's

959
00:43:04,600 --> 00:43:08,200
Speaker 2: Dwight Freenie hung around longer and was more product, you know,

960
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:10,880
Speaker 2: because he you know, he was a specialty player. It

961
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:13,160
Speaker 2: was for a long part of his of his career.

962
00:43:13,400 --> 00:43:16,359
Speaker 3: I think he'll be a Hall of Famer. I'd put

963
00:43:16,400 --> 00:43:19,520
Speaker 3: him over Allen. I put him behind where who went

964
00:43:19,600 --> 00:43:20,719
Speaker 3: last year? Oh?

965
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:21,839
Speaker 2: Where was a slam?

966
00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:26,479
Speaker 3: Yeah? The thing that Freenie had, which isn't his fault.

967
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 3: A lot of leads in a Dome Laighton game with

968
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:32,880
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning a big I mean, it's it's him and mathis.

969
00:43:32,640 --> 00:43:35,440
Speaker 2: Nobody ever say Dwight Freenie's He's Wow, you don't want

970
00:43:35,440 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 2: to run at him?

971
00:43:36,239 --> 00:43:38,560
Speaker 3: No, And there's a lot of highlights stuff with them.

972
00:43:38,600 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 3: It's been moved beating Jonathan Ogden high profile games. I

973
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:44,919
Speaker 3: think he goes. I think he's a borderline guy though.

974
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,880
Speaker 2: I think this was a slam dunk. Antonio Gates, Yes,

975
00:43:49,880 --> 00:43:52,840
Speaker 2: two thousand and three through twenty eighteen, all with the Chargers.

976
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: He might be a top five tight end. Ever, Yeah,

977
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 3: I mean he's behind Gonzalez and Kelsey and Gronk, but.

978
00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:00,480
Speaker 2: Not too many.

979
00:44:00,680 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: Too many. List gets pretty dry pretty quick.

980
00:44:03,920 --> 00:44:07,480
Speaker 2: I would take this guy over Tiki Barber.

981
00:44:08,200 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 3: Eddie George me too much harder to play against. Yeah.

982
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:16,000
Speaker 2: He was with the Houston slash Tennessee oiler slash Titans

983
00:44:16,320 --> 00:44:18,360
Speaker 2: from nineteen ninety six to two thousand and three. Of

984
00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: the Cowboys in two thousand and four.

985
00:44:21,400 --> 00:44:24,360
Speaker 3: He was a Titan slash oiler. Little shorter than I

986
00:44:24,400 --> 00:44:27,759
Speaker 3: thought though, Yeah, but he was really good. I thought

987
00:44:27,840 --> 00:44:30,120
Speaker 3: him and Jerome were the powerbacks of that generation.

988
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he was like a Greek god.

989
00:44:32,520 --> 00:44:35,360
Speaker 3: Yeah. I've seen him in person as jaw dropping.

990
00:44:35,640 --> 00:44:38,000
Speaker 2: A really good, really good player. I don't know that

991
00:44:38,040 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 2: he gets in though, but I would take him.

992
00:44:39,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: It's great.

993
00:44:40,680 --> 00:44:42,239
Speaker 2: I would take him over Tiki Barbary too.

994
00:44:42,280 --> 00:44:44,200
Speaker 3: I'd much try to play against te Kee Barber. Yeah.

995
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:50,000
Speaker 2: I think he's more really maybe just a water a

996
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,880
Speaker 2: little bit watered down. Not much version of Derrick Henry

997
00:44:54,000 --> 00:44:56,600
Speaker 2: very much. So they're very similar, very similar.

998
00:44:56,760 --> 00:44:59,319
Speaker 3: I mean Henry probably has more long, mean, he's more

999
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,719
Speaker 3: eighty yarder boy. Eddie was not fun to put on

1000
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:08,560
Speaker 3: the ground. No, they're built similar. I mean they're chiseled athletes. Yeah.

1001
00:45:08,680 --> 00:45:12,400
Speaker 2: James Harrison, we know his y again. I said, you know,

1002
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:16,480
Speaker 2: his his best five years were better than Dwight Freene's.

1003
00:45:16,880 --> 00:45:20,760
Speaker 3: You should represent him because your arguments are pretty strong.

1004
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't think he gets in, but your

1005
00:45:23,880 --> 00:45:26,400
Speaker 3: your five year the study you did on him is

1006
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:27,160
Speaker 3: pretty convincing.

1007
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,160
Speaker 2: It's and it's not necessarily his fault that he didn't

1008
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:31,560
Speaker 2: play early.

1009
00:45:31,280 --> 00:45:31,880
Speaker 3: In his career.

1010
00:45:32,480 --> 00:45:34,759
Speaker 2: I mean undrafted free agent, undrafted free agent had to

1011
00:45:34,800 --> 00:45:38,560
Speaker 2: earn it. Yeah, he's a defensive defensive player of the Year. Yeah,

1012
00:45:40,520 --> 00:45:42,759
Speaker 2: the greatest defensive play in Super Bowl history. I don't

1013
00:45:42,760 --> 00:45:45,080
Speaker 2: care what anybody else says, that was the greatest defensive

1014
00:45:45,080 --> 00:45:46,320
Speaker 2: play in Super Bowl history.

1015
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,400
Speaker 3: Is a longevity thing doesn't help, I mean a stretch

1016
00:45:50,440 --> 00:45:51,040
Speaker 3: of greatness.

1017
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 2: If he had retired, say at when the Steelers released

1018
00:45:55,440 --> 00:45:58,640
Speaker 2: him in twenty twelve, if he had retired at that point,

1019
00:45:59,719 --> 00:46:02,480
Speaker 2: I think he's probably has a better argument than he

1020
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:03,080
Speaker 2: does now.

1021
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 3: There's some of these dudes like Russell Wilson always comes

1022
00:46:05,840 --> 00:46:09,000
Speaker 3: to mind, like you might be hurting your cause late

1023
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,200
Speaker 3: in your career. Yeah, I don't think he goes.

1024
00:46:12,000 --> 00:46:13,600
Speaker 2: But he wanted, you know, he won a couple of

1025
00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:15,120
Speaker 2: Super you know, or didn't win the Super Bowl in

1026
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 2: twenty seventeen with him, but he's you know, he went

1027
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:18,600
Speaker 2: to some Super Bowls. He was a key cog and

1028
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 2: a bunch of Super Bowl teams.

1029
00:46:21,200 --> 00:46:23,000
Speaker 3: I would know your case is strong.

1030
00:46:23,000 --> 00:46:23,839
Speaker 2: I would vote for him.

1031
00:46:24,160 --> 00:46:26,359
Speaker 3: There's a lot of tough edge guys to compete with, though,

1032
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:29,160
Speaker 3: I understand we mentioned Alan Freeney. I know if he

1033
00:46:29,160 --> 00:46:30,439
Speaker 3: hears his names coming up, if.

1034
00:46:30,320 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 2: He had started a year earlier in his career, right,

1035
00:46:33,920 --> 00:46:35,799
Speaker 2: because he would have been the same guy. Imagine him

1036
00:46:35,800 --> 00:46:37,720
Speaker 2: and Porter exactly opposite each.

1037
00:46:37,560 --> 00:46:40,520
Speaker 3: Other, exactly, right, boy. Yeah.

1038
00:46:40,560 --> 00:46:43,960
Speaker 2: And the other thing about Harrison, unlike Dwight Freeney, you

1039
00:46:43,960 --> 00:46:45,160
Speaker 2: didn't run it James Harrison.

1040
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 3: No, he was great, set in the edge. I'm great.

1041
00:46:48,080 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 2: Rodney Harrison ninety four through two thousand and two with

1042
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 2: the Chargers, two thousand and three through two thousand and

1043
00:46:53,560 --> 00:46:56,520
Speaker 2: eight with the Patriots three times, his third time as

1044
00:46:56,520 --> 00:46:57,480
Speaker 2: a semi finalist.

1045
00:46:58,840 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 3: That's a tough one. That's a tough one. There's been

1046
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 3: some safeties that have gotten in that I've kind of

1047
00:47:03,560 --> 00:47:06,160
Speaker 3: rose and eyebrow to that. I would put him over

1048
00:47:06,280 --> 00:47:09,720
Speaker 3: some of those dudes. Yeah, there's definitely be that argument

1049
00:47:09,760 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: you talked about the other day. Hey, we won a

1050
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,839
Speaker 3: bazillion games. We need more Hall of Famers in and

1051
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 3: he was really good in the Seau Charger defenses too. Yeah,

1052
00:47:21,160 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 3: being on TV now doesn't.

1053
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 2: Hurt his cause, Yeah it shouldn't. It shouldn't matter, but

1054
00:47:25,680 --> 00:47:28,360
Speaker 2: it does. Yeah, but it does. He probably I did

1055
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:29,839
Speaker 2: get it. I don't know if he gets in this year,

1056
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:31,000
Speaker 2: but he probably ends up getting in.

1057
00:47:31,160 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I get it.

1058
00:47:32,920 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 2: But he was also at the time considered one of

1059
00:47:35,400 --> 00:47:36,800
Speaker 2: the dirtiest players.

1060
00:47:36,920 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 3: Yeah. Like my year with the Browns, well, at least

1061
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:44,479
Speaker 3: a part of it. Romeo Crenell was our newest head

1062
00:47:44,520 --> 00:47:48,480
Speaker 3: coach and boy couldn't speak enough about him. Yeah, Like

1063
00:47:48,920 --> 00:47:51,839
Speaker 3: we almost dropped Thomas Davis with a third overall pick

1064
00:47:52,040 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 3: to be Rodney Harrison. Yeah, he was that important.

1065
00:47:55,600 --> 00:47:58,239
Speaker 2: This one always ends up in a fight no matter

1066
00:47:58,480 --> 00:48:03,440
Speaker 2: who you bring it up with Hester the greatest punt

1067
00:48:03,600 --> 00:48:07,320
Speaker 2: slash kick returner in NFL history, I get it.

1068
00:48:07,400 --> 00:48:08,919
Speaker 3: Definitely the best punt returner ever.

1069
00:48:09,040 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 2: But are you putting him in over you know, the

1070
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:14,640
Speaker 2: other guys on this list, Like I have less of

1071
00:48:14,680 --> 00:48:17,320
Speaker 2: a problem with him getting in with Steve Tasker.

1072
00:48:17,760 --> 00:48:21,799
Speaker 3: Right, Like, it wasn't like, oh my gosh, we can't

1073
00:48:21,800 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 3: return a punt because Steve Taskers the gunner or him

1074
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:27,440
Speaker 3: you'd kick it out of bounds because you just don't

1075
00:48:27,480 --> 00:48:28,879
Speaker 3: kick it to him, and that changes the game.

1076
00:48:28,880 --> 00:48:30,279
Speaker 2: I would have less of a problem with him than

1077
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:31,279
Speaker 2: Adam Vinettieri.

1078
00:48:31,440 --> 00:48:32,919
Speaker 3: I was about to say the same thing, but I'd

1079
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:36,040
Speaker 3: put Tucker in overall. Yeah, he's a O for me.

1080
00:48:36,280 --> 00:48:37,360
Speaker 3: I can't.

1081
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 2: I can't vote for a guy who's just a special

1082
00:48:39,680 --> 00:48:40,239
Speaker 2: teams guy.

1083
00:48:40,440 --> 00:48:42,800
Speaker 3: I'm putting Harrison in over here, or Rodney Harrison.

1084
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:44,879
Speaker 2: It's like being the you know, the best pinch hitter

1085
00:48:44,960 --> 00:48:47,440
Speaker 2: Manny Mota goes into the Baseball Hall of Fame because well,

1086
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:49,080
Speaker 2: he was the best pinch hitter of all time. Well,

1087
00:48:49,120 --> 00:48:50,279
Speaker 2: why didn't he play full time?

1088
00:48:50,320 --> 00:48:53,680
Speaker 3: Then all right, if he's lucky he came to play one.

1089
00:48:53,800 --> 00:48:57,799
Speaker 2: The best middle reliever in baseball doesn't go to you know, right,

1090
00:48:58,160 --> 00:49:00,839
Speaker 2: the best six the best six man in basketball doesn't

1091
00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:01,920
Speaker 2: make it into the Hall, like.

1092
00:49:02,200 --> 00:49:05,600
Speaker 3: No, exactly. Yeah, best stay at home defenseman, he's the best.

1093
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:08,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's the best defender. You know, bowl blocked a

1094
00:49:08,880 --> 00:49:10,600
Speaker 2: bunch of shots. He's not going to the Hall of Fame.

1095
00:49:11,080 --> 00:49:14,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, he's a specialist. Tucker is the only one

1096
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:15,920
Speaker 3: that I really would stand on the table for in

1097
00:49:15,960 --> 00:49:20,759
Speaker 3: that conversation Tory Holt, he was actually up.

1098
00:49:21,120 --> 00:49:24,080
Speaker 2: He's been a final semi finalist now ten times. He

1099
00:49:24,200 --> 00:49:28,000
Speaker 2: was for a vote when he was eventually, But it's

1100
00:49:28,000 --> 00:49:31,200
Speaker 2: that it's that wide receiver backlog because you know, do

1101
00:49:31,520 --> 00:49:34,719
Speaker 2: you look just at the numbers or is it what

1102
00:49:34,800 --> 00:49:36,240
Speaker 2: they did to impact the games?

1103
00:49:36,320 --> 00:49:39,359
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, he's ahead of Ward in Bolden though.

1104
00:49:40,520 --> 00:49:42,440
Speaker 2: I mean the numbers are and you know, but he

1105
00:49:42,480 --> 00:49:44,120
Speaker 2: also had Isaac Bruce on the other side of and

1106
00:49:44,239 --> 00:49:45,160
Speaker 2: they threw the ball.

1107
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:49,120
Speaker 3: Every play and they also said Fulk in the backfield

1108
00:49:49,160 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 3: and Warner. Yeah, so it's a tough one. It's a

1109
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:52,520
Speaker 3: tough one.

1110
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:54,719
Speaker 2: Andre Johnson two thousand and.

1111
00:49:54,719 --> 00:49:56,879
Speaker 3: Three, he's my favorite wide receiver. Vote.

1112
00:49:57,000 --> 00:49:59,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is his third time as a semi finalist. Again,

1113
00:50:00,120 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: this is how difficult is this?

1114
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:04,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd rather line up against Holt than Andre j

1115
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 3: Robert mathis he's behind for Enie.

1116
00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:11,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean he has to be. Yeah, again, his

1117
00:50:11,440 --> 00:50:13,040
Speaker 2: numbers pale in comparison to Bruce.

1118
00:50:13,080 --> 00:50:15,959
Speaker 3: Holt thing almost you know, he really is, but even

1119
00:50:15,960 --> 00:50:19,680
Speaker 3: more distinct in my opinion. Julius Peppers. He's a yes, yeah,

1120
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:22,480
Speaker 3: I mean he's all those edge guys. He's the one Yeah, he's.

1121
00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: Got to make it in there before the other guys,

1122
00:50:24,600 --> 00:50:28,919
Speaker 2: Steve Smith Senior. Maybe third time is a semifinals. He's

1123
00:50:28,960 --> 00:50:31,319
Speaker 2: on TV now. Yeah, it doesn't hurt his cause, but

1124
00:50:31,760 --> 00:50:32,319
Speaker 2: I would get it.

1125
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,480
Speaker 3: And I wouldn't fight you on it. Yeah, but he's

1126
00:50:34,520 --> 00:50:35,200
Speaker 3: not a slam dunk.

1127
00:50:35,320 --> 00:50:38,880
Speaker 2: No, he's not a slam dunk. Fred Taylor, Fred Taylor

1128
00:50:39,280 --> 00:50:41,440
Speaker 2: or Eddie George. That's a tough one.

1129
00:50:41,520 --> 00:50:43,160
Speaker 3: I don't think Fred will ever get in. But he's

1130
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:46,360
Speaker 3: better than people think. Yeah, he caught the ball, he didn't.

1131
00:50:46,680 --> 00:50:49,320
Speaker 3: I mean, this is fifth time as a semi finalist,

1132
00:50:49,360 --> 00:50:51,720
Speaker 3: Like he broke long ones. He was awesome.

1133
00:50:51,840 --> 00:50:53,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, it was a really good How long he play

1134
00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 2: nineteen ninety eight through two thousand and eight with the

1135
00:50:56,080 --> 00:50:59,040
Speaker 2: Jaguars and then nine and ten with the Patriots.

1136
00:50:59,440 --> 00:51:03,080
Speaker 3: I forgot Patrick Patriot. That's a longer career than I thought. Yeah,

1137
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,200
Speaker 3: they weren't good teams too. You can make an argument

1138
00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:09,440
Speaker 3: I'm putting him in over Tiki Barber. Yeah well yeah, yeah,

1139
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,200
Speaker 3: heinz Ward. We know all about that.

1140
00:51:11,280 --> 00:51:13,640
Speaker 2: One. Another one here, that's a tough call at the

1141
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 2: running back position. Ricky Waters really good, really good player.

1142
00:51:18,320 --> 00:51:21,480
Speaker 2: But yeah, I'd take Fred Taylor over him, but me too.

1143
00:51:21,560 --> 00:51:24,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, great receiver ahead of his time. Yeah yeah, that

1144
00:51:24,160 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 3: goes along way with me when you're ahead of your time.

1145
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,680
Speaker 2: Reggie Wayne at the wide receiver positions, White's tough at

1146
00:51:28,719 --> 00:51:29,680
Speaker 2: wide receiver.

1147
00:51:29,680 --> 00:51:33,560
Speaker 3: Wayne or Holt or Steve Smith, they're all same.

1148
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I probably lean towards.

1149
00:51:40,640 --> 00:51:43,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I think they're all ahead of wines Ward.

1150
00:51:43,080 --> 00:51:44,720
Speaker 2: I'd probably lean towards Andre Johnson.

1151
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,000
Speaker 3: That's the one I think that is above all. But

1152
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:48,440
Speaker 3: I don't think people agree with us.

1153
00:51:48,880 --> 00:51:51,719
Speaker 2: Vince Wilfork nose tackle is really tough to get in.

1154
00:51:51,880 --> 00:51:54,560
Speaker 3: I think he's he would get my vote. Well, I

1155
00:51:54,560 --> 00:51:56,600
Speaker 3: mean if we had, if we get five guys picked

1156
00:51:56,600 --> 00:51:57,560
Speaker 3: from him, I.

1157
00:51:57,560 --> 00:51:59,480
Speaker 2: Wouldn't want to have to give the presentation.

1158
00:52:00,080 --> 00:52:00,400
Speaker 3: Awful.

1159
00:52:00,600 --> 00:52:01,879
Speaker 2: What are you? What are you talking about?

1160
00:52:01,880 --> 00:52:03,560
Speaker 3: Here? I mean highlights?

1161
00:52:03,800 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 2: No, there, he is taking on a double team to

1162
00:52:06,920 --> 00:52:08,439
Speaker 2: his left. Here he is taken on a double team

1163
00:52:08,440 --> 00:52:08,959
Speaker 2: to his right.

1164
00:52:09,000 --> 00:52:12,640
Speaker 3: Right, right, here's some rings on his finger. He's really big. Here.

1165
00:52:12,719 --> 00:52:15,280
Speaker 3: Look at this. Yeah, here's a meeting a whole chicken,

1166
00:52:15,400 --> 00:52:19,879
Speaker 3: including the bones. That's what he does. Supposedly, two more

1167
00:52:19,880 --> 00:52:21,160
Speaker 3: guys need to get to here real quick.

1168
00:52:21,200 --> 00:52:24,080
Speaker 2: Patrick Willis. This is his fifth time as a semi Finally,

1169
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 2: his problem is the longevity, played two thousand and seven

1170
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:31,359
Speaker 2: through twenty fourteen. But I bet he's better than Zach Thomas. Yeah,

1171
00:52:31,840 --> 00:52:34,040
Speaker 2: he's better than you know, some of these other inside

1172
00:52:34,080 --> 00:52:37,320
Speaker 2: background Sam Mills, yes, yes, yes, uh. And then finally

1173
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 2: Darren Woodson. I don't think he's a famer.

1174
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 3: Nope. So that's the list. Not a bad list that'll

1175
00:52:43,160 --> 00:52:45,799
Speaker 3: get on dunks this year, though there's no any like

1176
00:52:45,800 --> 00:52:46,759
Speaker 3: Peyton Manning's coming out.

1177
00:52:46,760 --> 00:52:49,680
Speaker 2: I think Gates and Gates Peppers.

1178
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:50,800
Speaker 3: They're probably the best first.

1179
00:52:50,840 --> 00:52:53,000
Speaker 2: And then you got maybe three spots there that go

1180
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:55,360
Speaker 2: to some other guys. One of these, one of the

1181
00:52:55,360 --> 00:52:57,160
Speaker 2: wide receivers has to get in this year. They didn't

1182
00:52:57,160 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 2: put any in last year.

1183
00:52:58,600 --> 00:53:01,200
Speaker 3: That's a good point. I bet one go, maybe two,

1184
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:03,319
Speaker 3: maybe two. It'll be fun.

1185
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,399
Speaker 2: That's what happened with the safeties the year Paula Malo

1186
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 2: got and there were a bunch of safeties on the list,

1187
00:53:07,920 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 2: and a couple of those guys were at the point

1188
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 2: where they were going to fall off the list to

1189
00:53:11,080 --> 00:53:13,719
Speaker 2: the to the Veteran Committee, and so they've kind of

1190
00:53:13,760 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 2: taken care of that part of it. Yeah here over

1191
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,000
Speaker 2: the last couple of years with the safeties. Now you

1192
00:53:18,160 --> 00:53:20,719
Speaker 2: start putting the wide receivers back in again, but you can't.

1193
00:53:20,960 --> 00:53:24,160
Speaker 2: The Hall of Fame can't be eighty two wide receivers

1194
00:53:24,200 --> 00:53:26,440
Speaker 2: and eighty two players at other positions twenty you know,

1195
00:53:26,520 --> 00:53:30,759
Speaker 2: fifty quarterbacks, fifty seven wide receivers and yeah, and you

1196
00:53:30,800 --> 00:53:34,520
Speaker 2: know fifty seven running backs and no nose tackles, you know.

1197
00:53:34,680 --> 00:53:38,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, with you, but definitely the guy that gets left out,

1198
00:53:39,000 --> 00:53:40,640
Speaker 3: it's going to be had a really strong case.

1199
00:53:40,680 --> 00:53:42,600
Speaker 2: Well, there's a lot of those guys, you know, bout.

1200
00:53:42,440 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 3: Five of them that aren't going to get in that

1201
00:53:44,160 --> 00:53:45,160
Speaker 3: are really strong. Yeah.

1202
00:53:45,160 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: So they'll pair that list down to fifteen right before,

1203
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:49,759
Speaker 2: you know, a couple of weeks before the super Bowl.

1204
00:53:49,760 --> 00:53:51,960
Speaker 3: And then you'll, uh, there was ten to twelve that

1205
00:53:52,040 --> 00:53:53,719
Speaker 3: had really strong.

1206
00:53:53,880 --> 00:53:56,440
Speaker 2: They are really strong cases. But that's going to do

1207
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,799
Speaker 2: it for our show today. So for my partner Matt

1208
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:01,400
Speaker 2: Williamson for CJ Wolf here on site keeping us on

1209
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Speaker 2: the air, I am Dale Lollie. We thank you for

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Speaker 2: listening to this edition of the Drive on Steelers Nation Radio.