WEBVTT - Let's Get Real About Our Bodies...with Emme 0:00:02.560 --> 0:00:08.600 This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorny. Hello, Let's 0:00:08.640 --> 0:00:12.080 be Clear listeners. I'm emmy and I am delighted to 0:00:12.119 --> 0:00:15.880 be able to a guest host Shannon Dougherty's Let's Be 0:00:16.079 --> 0:00:20.120 Clear podcast. I'm very very happy to be here, and 0:00:20.200 --> 0:00:22.400 I'm proud to say that I am one of the 0:00:22.520 --> 0:00:27.480 first women that came out within the fashion industry saying 0:00:27.600 --> 0:00:31.480 what's going on. We need diversity, we need inclusivity here 0:00:31.880 --> 0:00:37.360 and I shed some light on body acceptance, body neutrality, 0:00:37.840 --> 0:00:40.960 and body positivity when no one was really talking about 0:00:40.960 --> 0:00:45.320 these things. So, as you know, Shannon's podcast was all 0:00:45.360 --> 0:00:51.800 about embracing one's truth, and she was so passionate about 0:00:51.840 --> 0:00:55.720 sharing her journey with breast cancer, her ups, her downs, 0:00:56.080 --> 0:00:59.800 real moments, real parts of her life that we all 0:00:59.840 --> 0:01:04.080 got to share in the support and share in lifting 0:01:04.120 --> 0:01:07.000 her message and also encouraging all of us to look 0:01:07.080 --> 0:01:10.160 into our own lives and think, you know, what is 0:01:10.200 --> 0:01:13.520 the truth that I want to share. So I'm just 0:01:13.560 --> 0:01:17.520 delighted to be here connecting with you and carrying on 0:01:17.600 --> 0:01:23.400 what Channon has created and in her honor, and I'm 0:01:23.440 --> 0:01:27.560 just really really excited to be here. So there's quite 0:01:27.600 --> 0:01:29.920 a few things that we could talk about in sharing 0:01:30.120 --> 0:01:33.720 my truth. You know, right now I'm living in la 0:01:34.040 --> 0:01:38.399 and I'm working in another capacity outside of modeling. But 0:01:38.600 --> 0:01:43.880 what actually got me here thirty years ago was stepping 0:01:43.959 --> 0:01:48.920 up in a very thin, as thin as you can 0:01:48.960 --> 0:01:51.840 go as a model industry, in the fashion industry. And 0:01:51.920 --> 0:01:56.840 here I was an athlete, size twelve fourteen, about five 0:01:56.960 --> 0:02:02.680 eleven and in the nineties, and stylists and photographers and 0:02:02.760 --> 0:02:06.440 a lot of people were like, wait a minute, We're 0:02:06.560 --> 0:02:10.160 used to six feet five to eleven women that are 0:02:10.320 --> 0:02:14.120 size zero and two. And I just knew that I 0:02:14.240 --> 0:02:16.480 was not going to lose forty pounds to get into 0:02:16.480 --> 0:02:20.760 this industry. And I walked into a very new, burgeoning 0:02:21.120 --> 0:02:25.440 industry called the full figured industry or the plus size industry. Now, 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:30.040 because I wasn't very very large, or I wasn't very 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.160 very small, and I actually was fit, a lot of 0:02:34.160 --> 0:02:36.360 people did not know what to do with me. And 0:02:36.520 --> 0:02:41.080 my truth was I had some history with disordered eating. 0:02:41.280 --> 0:02:46.400 I was an athlete, so there were comments when I 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.720 was growing up, I bet I can run faster from you, 0:02:49.880 --> 0:02:51.800 or I bet you can I you know, I don't 0:02:51.800 --> 0:02:53.920 want you to wrestle me down from the boys that 0:02:54.040 --> 0:02:58.240 I really was boy crazy with. So in society I 0:02:58.400 --> 0:03:04.440 was this strong Mamazonian scholarship, a warrity at Syracuse University, 0:03:04.520 --> 0:03:08.160 invited to the Olympic Trials, and still very athletic today. 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:13.440 But as a growing young woman, my imagery around me 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:19.120 was all about you can never be so thin, and 0:03:19.160 --> 0:03:21.839 I thought, well, if I can't look like that, does 0:03:21.880 --> 0:03:28.040 that make me not be good or write or be acceptable? 0:03:28.760 --> 0:03:32.400 And I always was working with it against it, And 0:03:32.440 --> 0:03:35.400 then finally when I got how old was I, I 0:03:35.400 --> 0:03:38.880 think I was in my mid to late twenties, where 0:03:38.920 --> 0:03:41.440 when I walked through the door and I got signed 0:03:41.480 --> 0:03:45.800 with Ford Models, something inside it. And I also had 0:03:45.840 --> 0:03:50.160 a background in journalism, so I was an NBC affiliate reporter. 0:03:51.280 --> 0:03:56.720 My first stop out in Arizona, and I learned about, 0:03:57.000 --> 0:04:01.000 you know, how to satiate my curiosity with people. I 0:04:01.080 --> 0:04:04.080 loved people's stories, and the more that I got out 0:04:04.120 --> 0:04:07.800 in the field and did the reporting, I loved the 0:04:07.880 --> 0:04:10.640 people that I was reporting on. But it was hard 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:12.800 for me to sleep at night, so I took I 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:15.120 left the job after almost two years, and I went 0:04:15.160 --> 0:04:16.880 back to New York and this is where I fell 0:04:16.920 --> 0:04:21.919 into the modeling industry, and I took with me my 0:04:22.080 --> 0:04:26.599 journalistic curiosity and when I went into the dressing rooms 0:04:26.600 --> 0:04:30.279 and when I went into you know, whatever go sees 0:04:30.400 --> 0:04:34.440 or bookings that I had, I was always wondering why 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:37.680 the photographers spent more time with the girls that were 0:04:37.720 --> 0:04:43.839 size zero two, where certain photographers wouldn't shoot myself than 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.960 these other beautiful women that were in the full figured 0:04:47.040 --> 0:04:51.920 industry because they were afraid that I, you know, Vogue 0:04:52.000 --> 0:04:56.080 or ell or any of the big magazines fashion magazines 0:04:56.080 --> 0:04:59.080 at the time wouldn't book them. So there was this 0:04:59.320 --> 0:05:03.080 very interesting We were representing one hundred million women size 0:05:03.120 --> 0:05:07.680 fourteen and above in the United States and Canada, but 0:05:07.800 --> 0:05:11.520 there was a problem with reflecting the imagery. So my 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:15.719 truth was am I going to change the way I look? 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:19.599 Or am I going to continue to try and just 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:22.720 be the best that I can be? And the more 0:05:22.760 --> 0:05:26.000 that I was doing that, something started to bubble up 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:30.240 and I had to talk about inclusivity like it was 0:05:30.680 --> 0:05:33.159 it was almost like I could not sleep unless I 0:05:33.200 --> 0:05:35.599 did that. And so I really did do a lot 0:05:35.640 --> 0:05:38.760 of talking about the why and with research and the 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:42.080 truth started coming out, my truth, and then it was 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:46.240 reflective of every group of women that I was speaking 0:05:46.279 --> 0:05:49.520 with that they too felt the same, or they had 0:05:49.560 --> 0:05:52.920 their own different stories, or they were learning about using 0:05:53.040 --> 0:05:56.800 their voice. And it was the most beautiful time in 0:05:56.880 --> 0:06:00.280 the nineties and into two thousand when I started doing 0:06:00.320 --> 0:06:02.680 clothing lines, and you know, the clothes. I don't know 0:06:02.720 --> 0:06:09.800 how to sew, but I used the clothing lines to 0:06:09.839 --> 0:06:13.080 be able to provide the demand that was out there. 0:06:13.120 --> 0:06:16.560 So we were in Bloomingdale's and Lord and Taylor and Dillard's, 0:06:16.760 --> 0:06:23.080 and it was truly so many and all those department 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:26.840 stores wanted fashion shows. So I got a chance to 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:30.440 be with the women, be able to speak with them, 0:06:30.920 --> 0:06:34.040 meet them and hear what they were talking about and 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:38.400 what their own struggles were, whether it was media, whether 0:06:38.440 --> 0:06:41.760 it was their own personal quiet time, what was going 0:06:41.800 --> 0:06:45.000 on between the ears, what were they doing in order 0:06:45.040 --> 0:06:48.760 to feel good? And I then would turn around and 0:06:48.800 --> 0:06:52.919 then speak all that and share all that on national 0:06:53.000 --> 0:06:57.480 media and with a lot of good research and using 0:06:57.560 --> 0:07:02.760 my tools as a journalist, I along with the clients 0:07:02.800 --> 0:07:05.920 that I had and other models at the time, we 0:07:06.120 --> 0:07:13.120 really shifted the concept of what beauty was and is 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:18.040 the need for clothing above a size twelve it's still 0:07:18.040 --> 0:07:20.400 an issue. Here we are in twenty twenty four and 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:23.280 it's still an issue, but it has gotten better from 0:07:23.360 --> 0:07:26.160 the early nineties. Who used to just you really couldn't 0:07:26.160 --> 0:07:29.720 find anything. And that's just a little background on where 0:07:29.760 --> 0:07:33.360 I came from and where I'm at right now. I'm 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:37.640 writing and I'm living in LA I'm also a sound healer, 0:07:37.960 --> 0:07:43.440 talk about the pandemic changing our lives. I got into 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:47.280 sound in such a big way, and I have my 0:07:47.320 --> 0:07:49.920 own bulls. I do it for friends and family, and 0:07:49.960 --> 0:07:53.200 I actually do it for different clients if they want 0:07:53.240 --> 0:07:57.679 to work with me. But I'm also writing TV series 0:07:57.920 --> 0:08:04.320 and working with a production partner and putting empowering programming 0:08:04.360 --> 0:08:07.720 out there. You know, it all takes a lot of 0:08:08.000 --> 0:08:10.920 It takes a village for one to bring out new messaging, 0:08:11.040 --> 0:08:14.720 and especially if you're asking not only the fashion industry 0:08:14.800 --> 0:08:19.840 but also the beauty industry to change, to open their aperture, 0:08:20.160 --> 0:08:25.120 to understand more about their customer base, the whole bouquet 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:28.760 of beauty. I look at all of us beautiful women 0:08:29.520 --> 0:08:34.080 as this beautiful bouquet of flowers, and thank goodness that 0:08:34.120 --> 0:08:37.160 we have all the flowers that we have. If we 0:08:37.240 --> 0:08:39.040 had all the flowers, and then all of a sudden 0:08:39.080 --> 0:08:42.160 one day someone said, you're only allowed to have daisies, 0:08:43.400 --> 0:08:45.760 having known that you had all these flowers before, but 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:48.840 now you only can have daisies, or you can only 0:08:48.880 --> 0:08:51.120 have a rose, or you can only have one flower, 0:08:51.360 --> 0:08:54.960 and you could not have the whole bouquet. So obviously 0:08:55.000 --> 0:08:58.280 that's not going to happen. But opening our own aperture 0:08:58.520 --> 0:09:03.280 as to we are and the beauty that each and 0:09:03.559 --> 0:09:08.360 every individual soul and body brings to the mix of 0:09:08.440 --> 0:09:12.440 life keeps it interesting. It would be very, very boring 0:09:12.520 --> 0:09:17.839 if we all look the same, right. We need contrast, 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:24.560 we need difference, We need to be different, have different 0:09:24.600 --> 0:09:27.319 lives so that when we all get together and we 0:09:27.880 --> 0:09:31.600 come together in community, there's something to talk about and 0:09:31.640 --> 0:09:34.520 there's also something to work with. When you have resistance, 0:09:35.080 --> 0:09:39.480 it's not always an ebb and flow. So when I 0:09:39.520 --> 0:09:42.640 say the bouquet of beauty, a lot of the industry 0:09:42.800 --> 0:09:48.120 was really working on exclusivity and beauty and working with 0:09:48.160 --> 0:09:52.080 the National Eating Disorders Association for about thirty years. At 0:09:52.080 --> 0:09:53.680 that time, it was at the very very beginning. But 0:09:53.800 --> 0:09:57.800 now today, having had thirty years behind me in the bank, 0:09:58.840 --> 0:10:04.120 I learned early on that this exclusive point of view 0:10:04.280 --> 0:10:08.040 of what beauty is got a lot of people sick, 0:10:08.520 --> 0:10:11.680 and it really wrecked with self esteem and body image. 0:10:12.200 --> 0:10:15.400 And when as a journalist, I was like, my goodness, gracious, 0:10:15.400 --> 0:10:17.280 are we going to keep on going down this road 0:10:18.480 --> 0:10:23.280 with disordered eating and surgeries and quite frankly, lots of 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:28.520 mental health issues, and with teens and preteens having these issues. 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:31.760 If mom was having the issues and it's filtering down. 0:10:31.800 --> 0:10:35.960 If grandma was having issues, then the mom, then the grandchildren. 0:10:36.360 --> 0:10:41.439 It was a serious situation that still remains today that 0:10:42.400 --> 0:10:45.959 it's a full core press to say I am what 0:10:46.000 --> 0:10:50.160 I am, and what I am is more than enough, 0:10:51.000 --> 0:10:55.400 and to take care of what our individual bodies need. 0:10:56.040 --> 0:10:58.640 And my goodness, I mean, we need to have good 0:10:58.679 --> 0:11:06.840 food and great and you know, good sleep, wonderful friends, 0:11:08.559 --> 0:11:12.640 and a job that we enjoy going to and at 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.640 least a good job that makes us feel good when 0:11:15.640 --> 0:11:20.280 we're there. These are basic, basic things and when we 0:11:20.360 --> 0:11:24.040 have a few of those items off the list, then 0:11:24.160 --> 0:11:27.400 we're trying to overcompensate in other areas. So and this 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:44.240 life is so so short, it's so so short. I'm 0:11:44.240 --> 0:11:48.000 a cancer thriver as well, and I learned a lot. 0:11:48.120 --> 0:11:50.280 Back in two thousand and seven when I was diagnosed 0:11:50.320 --> 0:11:54.240 with Hotchkins lymphoma. I had twenty two tumors in my 0:11:54.400 --> 0:11:59.720 chest and the surgeon took them out and I went 0:11:59.760 --> 0:12:05.280 through eleven or twelve rounds of chemo, and a lot 0:12:05.400 --> 0:12:08.680 changed for me. It had to change. I had to 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.960 look at the intent of what I was doing. I 0:12:14.040 --> 0:12:22.120 had to reevaluate different friendships, intimate relationships. And it was 0:12:22.160 --> 0:12:25.440 the best teacher that I could ever ask for. I 0:12:25.480 --> 0:12:28.360 was very, very lucky to be able to survive. So 0:12:28.520 --> 0:12:31.079 with everything that was going on in the nineties and 0:12:31.120 --> 0:12:33.800 what happened to me physically with my health in two 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:37.400 thousand and seven, it kind of was like this explosion 0:12:38.160 --> 0:12:43.840 of using my voice in a way that reflected what 0:12:44.000 --> 0:12:46.960 I learned and what I was researching and what I 0:12:47.040 --> 0:12:51.400 went through myself. I never was more appreciative of my body. 0:12:51.720 --> 0:12:54.080 It's strange. I got invited to Olympic trials, I got 0:12:54.120 --> 0:12:56.520 a full athletic scholarship to college, but I did not 0:12:57.520 --> 0:13:02.319 appreciate my body in the way that when I went 0:13:02.360 --> 0:13:04.800 through my last chemo and I was so tired, and 0:13:04.840 --> 0:13:10.040 I know many of you have gone through this, and 0:13:10.120 --> 0:13:16.040 I just said, God, bless my body, God bless my body, 0:13:16.679 --> 0:13:21.720 that it hung in there for me. I changed the 0:13:21.720 --> 0:13:24.679 way I ate. I looked at all the refined sugars. 0:13:24.920 --> 0:13:30.720 I wanted to give my body as much of a 0:13:30.800 --> 0:13:35.120 leg up in this life. I started eating in more 0:13:35.240 --> 0:13:39.239 than not, and making my own food with my own oils, 0:13:39.400 --> 0:13:43.000 and you know, using coconut sugar and all that. You know, 0:13:43.920 --> 0:13:46.160 you can go a little nutty. And I had to 0:13:46.200 --> 0:13:50.640 pull myself back. But there's a balance there, and it's 0:13:50.760 --> 0:13:54.000 our life. So the truth that I want to share 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:59.640 is that if whatever you might be going through, whatever 0:13:59.679 --> 0:14:04.319 you might be challenged, just know that you've got this, 0:14:05.200 --> 0:14:09.200 and the answers are sometimes within the struggle and just 0:14:09.360 --> 0:14:11.719 not trying to rush through it, but just to And 0:14:11.800 --> 0:14:13.360 one thing that I learned when I was going through 0:14:13.440 --> 0:14:17.199 chemo was somebody sent me a sticky and it said 0:14:17.720 --> 0:14:21.240 shut up and meditate. I was like, well, that's not 0:14:21.400 --> 0:14:26.280 very nice. That's very nice, but I've never meditated before. 0:14:26.560 --> 0:14:32.480 And surprisingly enough, I got ten books same, all the same, 0:14:33.000 --> 0:14:37.640 the four Agreements, and I thought, well, there might be 0:14:37.680 --> 0:14:41.320 something going on here. I'm wondering what I need to 0:14:41.360 --> 0:14:44.520 do here, and when I sat down and read the 0:14:44.520 --> 0:14:47.920 Four Agreements the first book, it's now the number one 0:14:47.960 --> 0:14:50.720 book that I send to a lot of friends going 0:14:50.760 --> 0:14:54.920 through any kind of struggle. So let me try and 0:14:55.000 --> 0:15:00.480 name the four Do your best, don't make assumptions, peccable 0:15:00.520 --> 0:15:10.800 with your word, don't take anything personally. So whenever we're 0:15:10.880 --> 0:15:14.840 going through a health struggle or when there's incredible stress, 0:15:15.200 --> 0:15:20.920 we need to really pull ourselves back for wellness and say, 0:15:21.440 --> 0:15:24.280 I need to take things off my plate. I don't 0:15:24.320 --> 0:15:26.960 want to take personally of this, put person pushing me, 0:15:27.160 --> 0:15:29.520 or I want to be impeccable with my word first 0:15:29.600 --> 0:15:33.680 and foremost with myself. We have to be our own 0:15:33.720 --> 0:15:37.080 best friends. It takes some time to get there, but 0:15:37.200 --> 0:15:39.960 the truth that I know is that there is no 0:15:39.960 --> 0:15:44.440 one else that can have your back like yourself, and 0:15:44.920 --> 0:15:50.160 everything else is like beautiful, you know, bonuses, and you also, 0:15:50.280 --> 0:15:53.440 when you treat yourself really really well, you can kind 0:15:53.440 --> 0:15:57.440 of pick out people who are not treating themselves really well. 0:15:57.720 --> 0:16:01.080 And you if I'm a single gal, so i date 0:16:01.560 --> 0:16:04.720 and if I find somebody is not taking really good 0:16:04.760 --> 0:16:07.400 care of themselves, it's not that I'm really looking for it, 0:16:07.840 --> 0:16:12.480 but it's really easy to feel that when you're feeling 0:16:12.480 --> 0:16:15.200 good about yourself and you're treating yourself at this level, 0:16:15.240 --> 0:16:17.600 but you're seeing somebody and they're treating themselves at the 0:16:17.600 --> 0:16:22.160 waste level. You're kind, you're considerate, you're impeccable with your word, 0:16:22.200 --> 0:16:25.760 but you just don't go on that second date. Little things. 0:16:25.840 --> 0:16:28.760 You don't have to push anything into anybody's face. But 0:16:28.920 --> 0:16:33.560 when we start really taking good care, especially when our 0:16:33.600 --> 0:16:41.800 health becomes a challenge, I choose to look at these things, 0:16:41.800 --> 0:16:45.240 whether it's health, whether it's situations, whether it's a family 0:16:45.320 --> 0:16:51.840 member's health. I have learned to say, what is the 0:16:52.000 --> 0:16:58.280 lesson here and get into I do meditation almost every morning. 0:16:58.640 --> 0:17:00.960 If I don't, I do feel like I'm missing a 0:17:01.000 --> 0:17:04.440 body part, truly, So I'll try and do it at 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:06.080 night if I didn't do it in the morning. But 0:17:06.320 --> 0:17:09.040 usually when I do a meditation, it's like ten to 0:17:09.080 --> 0:17:11.639 twenty minutes, nothing more than that. But it's like this 0:17:11.720 --> 0:17:16.840 anchor that really helps me sit and relax my body, 0:17:17.160 --> 0:17:20.800 get my breathing, to relax my body and relax my mind. 0:17:21.200 --> 0:17:23.280 There's so much going on right now with a lot 0:17:23.320 --> 0:17:26.560 of pressure. I can say quite a lot about social 0:17:26.640 --> 0:17:30.439 media right now, and I'm just going to talk like 0:17:30.480 --> 0:17:34.960 a mom. We got to be very very careful of 0:17:35.920 --> 0:17:40.240 how we consume social media, especially when our children are around. 0:17:42.600 --> 0:17:47.280 We are role models all the time, and when we 0:17:47.400 --> 0:17:51.080 have our kids around us, make sure that we're engaged 0:17:51.680 --> 0:17:57.959 and connected. And there is something going on with eighteen, nineteen, 0:17:58.000 --> 0:18:00.840 twenty twenty one, twenty two, twenty three four year olds, 0:18:02.160 --> 0:18:05.800 and because this is the group that had social media 0:18:05.840 --> 0:18:09.719 introduced to them at the very very beginning, way too 0:18:09.840 --> 0:18:15.399 much exposure. So for our own sake, and if we 0:18:15.480 --> 0:18:18.840 take a look at somebody else's cancer journey and they 0:18:18.920 --> 0:18:24.160 look like they are doing fantastically and they're leaping ahead, 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:29.440 let that just be an encouragement. Do not compare ourselves. 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:36.560 It's so so important. Everybody's journey is completely different, and 0:18:36.880 --> 0:18:39.639 your life is your life. You're not supposed to copy 0:18:39.640 --> 0:18:43.760 anybody else's life. This is your journey, this is my journey. 0:18:45.520 --> 0:18:49.359 And it has changed the way that fashion is being sold. 0:18:50.240 --> 0:18:54.760 A lot of influencers that have propelled to the forefront 0:18:55.080 --> 0:18:57.800 have really not had especially in the full figured industry, 0:18:58.280 --> 0:19:00.520 have not had a chance to have their voice be heard. 0:19:00.840 --> 0:19:04.400 They have not seen their bodies reflected and so there 0:19:04.400 --> 0:19:09.800 are some very powerful and very vocal body advocates that 0:19:09.880 --> 0:19:12.560 are now selling clothes, and I don't see a problem 0:19:12.600 --> 0:19:17.919 with that, and I think that retailers are struggling to 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:34.360 get people back into the stores. There's a few points 0:19:34.400 --> 0:19:37.920 that when I do my consulting in businesses and retail 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:43.880 fashion sizing and plant having a supply matching the demand 0:19:44.359 --> 0:19:47.880 and not having one or two sixteens or one eighteen. 0:19:47.960 --> 0:19:51.000 In fact, they should have so many more fourteens and 0:19:51.160 --> 0:19:56.280 sixteens and eighteens because that's the sweet spot. But and 0:19:56.359 --> 0:19:59.560 that could actually help their bottom line enormously if they 0:19:59.560 --> 0:20:03.480 would list. But that's okay, Well, that's totally fine. The 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:09.000 majority of American women are a size fourteen, sixteen, eighteen, 0:20:09.400 --> 0:20:15.000 and twenty almost scooching up to the twenty. But so 0:20:15.960 --> 0:20:21.560 has the clothing progressed from the nineties, Yes, definitely. And 0:20:21.600 --> 0:20:27.480 a lot of companies also have not invested in two 0:20:27.600 --> 0:20:30.639 to three fit models. Now, if you're going to have 0:20:30.680 --> 0:20:34.040 an inclusive line, which I always encourage encourage lines to 0:20:34.080 --> 0:20:37.400 do zero to twenty four, you shouldn't have just one 0:20:38.560 --> 0:20:42.000 fit model. You need to have at least two so 0:20:42.040 --> 0:20:45.080 that the fuller end has the fuller cut and it's 0:20:45.119 --> 0:20:49.119 more proportionate to that full figured cut, and you have 0:20:49.160 --> 0:20:52.639 a straight size fit model that is proportionate to the 0:20:52.640 --> 0:20:57.080 straight fit. Now, if a clothing line uses one fit model, 0:20:57.600 --> 0:21:00.560 the fuller end of the spectrum is going to be 0:21:00.680 --> 0:21:04.800 too short and too small. If you see the return rates, 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:07.520 you can see that they're using one fit model. If 0:21:07.560 --> 0:21:09.640 the return rate is much lower, you know that they're 0:21:09.680 --> 0:21:13.960 probably using doing a really good job investing. So any 0:21:14.000 --> 0:21:17.399 new company that goes into the fashion industry should definitely 0:21:17.440 --> 0:21:22.000 look into breaking down the proportion and being able to 0:21:22.080 --> 0:21:24.000 have two fit models to be able to have a 0:21:24.080 --> 0:21:32.320 line be successful styling wise. You know, we're women. We 0:21:32.600 --> 0:21:34.879 just haven't be different sizes, but we're women. We go 0:21:34.960 --> 0:21:40.959 on dates, we go to work, we have fun, we 0:21:41.000 --> 0:21:44.000 go on vacation, we have baby suits, we have all 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.600 different personalities. Just because we're different sizes doesn't mean that 0:21:48.600 --> 0:21:53.080 that stuff goes away. So and yeah, so give it. 0:21:53.280 --> 0:21:57.920 Give what women have in the straight end, the smaller 0:21:58.400 --> 0:22:02.439 zero to twelve, reflect that over to twelve to twenty 0:22:02.480 --> 0:22:05.360 four because there is a customer there. I would love 0:22:05.400 --> 0:22:07.600 to talk to you about the true beauty fountaindation I 0:22:07.600 --> 0:22:10.600 feel that everybody has their own true beauty, and this 0:22:10.680 --> 0:22:15.119 is to improve youth mental wellness through events and programs 0:22:15.160 --> 0:22:17.960 designed for the whole family. And right now we have 0:22:18.119 --> 0:22:21.560 three programs that are going One is Play, Sweat, Win, 0:22:22.160 --> 0:22:25.639 and it's all about playing. I don't care if you're 0:22:25.640 --> 0:22:28.399 an adult, you still have to play. And when the 0:22:28.440 --> 0:22:30.919 adults play, the kids see the adults play, and then 0:22:30.960 --> 0:22:33.439 it's all normal. Instead of just kicking the kids and 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:37.200 saying out and saying go play, when a family can 0:22:37.240 --> 0:22:41.919 play together, there's just more of an opportunity for that 0:22:42.080 --> 0:22:48.440 child to grow up knowing that play is not only fitness, 0:22:48.640 --> 0:22:52.960 but it's also lightening the heart. It makes us happy. 0:22:53.760 --> 0:22:55.880 We get to sweat, we get to play, we get 0:22:55.920 --> 0:23:00.119 to win. So that's something that I'm looking forward to 0:23:00.240 --> 0:23:03.800 getting into more schools and into after school programs. That's 0:23:03.920 --> 0:23:07.440 really great. Now, Fashion with that limits is over at 0:23:07.440 --> 0:23:10.120 Syracuse University for the last ten years. We're going into 0:23:10.119 --> 0:23:15.920 our tenth year and it's inclusive fashion within the fashion 0:23:16.280 --> 0:23:22.000 design programs. So a few years back I found out, 0:23:22.080 --> 0:23:26.840 let's say twenty thirteen, when I learned that there were 0:23:26.920 --> 0:23:32.280 protests in certain fashion design schools top ones that the 0:23:32.400 --> 0:23:36.520 full figured designer wanted to be able to make clothes 0:23:36.880 --> 0:23:41.040 for those client, those people, the clients that she had 0:23:41.480 --> 0:23:44.560 and her family members. But she could not find a 0:23:44.680 --> 0:23:47.879 full figure in a size sixteen or an eighteen or 0:23:47.880 --> 0:23:51.639 a twenty twenty two to twenty four form in her class, 0:23:51.680 --> 0:23:54.879 and the design school said, I'm sorry, where we don't 0:23:54.920 --> 0:23:58.879 have those, and they didn't provide it. She protested. That 0:23:59.080 --> 0:24:02.440 sparked others design schools saying well, you know, we don't 0:24:02.440 --> 0:24:04.399 have this, and other students were like, what's going on? 0:24:04.480 --> 0:24:07.560 Why don't we have this? So once again I do 0:24:07.640 --> 0:24:09.360 not know how to sew, but I knew that there 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.959 was a real important opportunity here to get a true 0:24:14.560 --> 0:24:19.240 A full education in fashion meant that it had to 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:22.320 go from zero to twelve in the forms that they 0:24:22.359 --> 0:24:27.200 had and also include sixteen, eighteen and twenty and twenty four. 0:24:27.800 --> 0:24:32.119 And at Syracuse, I just kept the first year that 0:24:32.160 --> 0:24:36.679 we introduced this program in twenty fourteen or fifteen. I 0:24:36.720 --> 0:24:39.840 know the parents really wanted to throw rotten tomatoes at me, 0:24:40.160 --> 0:24:42.920 but I said, wait, take a look. We're going to 0:24:43.000 --> 0:24:45.760 have the press show up because this is innovative, this 0:24:45.880 --> 0:24:49.560 is actually needed. We need to have design schools that 0:24:51.200 --> 0:24:57.200 graduate designers that know how to create clothing for women 0:24:57.200 --> 0:25:00.040 who are size zero to twenty four. That doesn't it 0:25:00.080 --> 0:25:03.680 makes such sense. So if they choose to go into 0:25:03.720 --> 0:25:06.160 the full full figure to end, or if they choose 0:25:06.200 --> 0:25:08.439 to go in the straight size end, or they choose 0:25:08.480 --> 0:25:10.520 to be a part of a company that wants to 0:25:10.560 --> 0:25:13.879 take their straight sized clothing options and bring them into 0:25:13.880 --> 0:25:16.919 the full figured, Syracuse was going to be able to 0:25:16.920 --> 0:25:22.080 provide the industry with these wonderful designers that was taught this, 0:25:22.200 --> 0:25:27.400 and very very very few fashion programs embrace this. So 0:25:27.640 --> 0:25:30.640 I'm very very happy that the True Beauty Foundation has 0:25:31.359 --> 0:25:34.680 fashion without limits. It's really really very important. And then 0:25:34.800 --> 0:25:39.040 five Oceanic Breasts to Calm is for the classroom where 0:25:40.359 --> 0:25:45.560 myself and other practitioners, whether it's sound healers or meditation practitioners, 0:25:46.040 --> 0:25:49.880 teach the classroom how to relax, how to get their 0:25:49.960 --> 0:25:55.439 breath normalized, to be able to work with conflict, and 0:25:55.480 --> 0:25:59.880 then show how listening skills can help. So it's five 0:26:00.040 --> 0:26:03.320 oceanic breaths that when you do a certain breath work, 0:26:03.600 --> 0:26:05.879 it can really calm you down from being in a 0:26:05.920 --> 0:26:12.000 heightened state of fear and anger, and if you just 0:26:12.080 --> 0:26:16.000 take yourself into five oceanic breaths, nice deep breaths, it 0:26:16.040 --> 0:26:20.919 will allow your vagus nerve and also your parasympathetic nervous 0:26:20.920 --> 0:26:28.000 system to calm down. That particular program was born out 0:26:28.040 --> 0:26:32.200 of pandemic time because everybody was trying to figure out 0:26:32.359 --> 0:26:37.920 how to feel better. So I love love bringing five 0:26:37.960 --> 0:26:42.240 oceanic breasts to calm to the look good, feel better 0:26:42.400 --> 0:26:46.919 foundation as well. And I've done meditation guided meditations for 0:26:47.080 --> 0:26:53.280 breast cancer thrivers and it's every little bit helps, right, 0:26:53.960 --> 0:26:59.800 especially when we're going through a really challenging time health wise, 0:27:01.440 --> 0:27:05.719 there's no reason for us to be in such a 0:27:05.840 --> 0:27:11.040 high state of stress, and just taking five breaths, just 0:27:11.119 --> 0:27:14.160 giving yourself a moment to either get out in nature 0:27:14.640 --> 0:27:17.320 and take a walk and do your very best with 0:27:17.840 --> 0:27:20.959 breath work. Being in the present moment, being in nature 0:27:21.040 --> 0:27:26.400 is one of the best ways to reset a bad day. Absolutely, 0:27:26.760 --> 0:27:30.159 I walk down. I'm very very lucky that you know now, 0:27:30.240 --> 0:27:34.400 I live very close to the ocean. It's it's frequent 0:27:34.600 --> 0:27:38.280 that I go to the ocean and walk down there. Now. 0:27:38.560 --> 0:27:40.560 I've spent years and years and years when I was 0:27:40.600 --> 0:27:44.760 living in New Jersey, taking groups out to the forest 0:27:45.040 --> 0:27:49.760 and going into the trails and all different levels of fitness. 0:27:49.960 --> 0:27:53.960 It doesn't matter. Get your hiking shoes, get a really 0:27:54.000 --> 0:28:00.440 good water bottle and put a buddy bag on or 0:28:00.480 --> 0:28:05.520