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Speaker 1: This is Let's Be Clear with Shannon Dorny. Hello, Let's

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Speaker 1: be Clear listeners. I'm emmy and I am delighted to

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Speaker 1: be able to a guest host Shannon Dougherty's Let's Be

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Speaker 1: Clear podcast. I'm very very happy to be here, and

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Speaker 1: I'm proud to say that I am one of the

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Speaker 1: first women that came out within the fashion industry saying

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Speaker 1: what's going on. We need diversity, we need inclusivity here

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Speaker 1: and I shed some light on body acceptance, body neutrality,

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Speaker 1: these things. So, as you know, Shannon's podcast was all

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Speaker 1: about embracing one's truth, and she was so passionate about

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Speaker 1: sharing her journey with breast cancer, her ups, her downs,

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Speaker 1: real moments, real parts of her life that we all

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Speaker 1: got to share in the support and share in lifting

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Speaker 1: her message and also encouraging all of us to look

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Speaker 1: into our own lives and think, you know, what is

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Speaker 1: the truth that I want to share. So I'm just

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Speaker 1: delighted to be here connecting with you and carrying on

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Speaker 1: what Channon has created and in her honor, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just really really excited to be here. So there's quite

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Speaker 1: a few things that we could talk about in sharing

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Speaker 1: my truth. You know, right now I'm living in la

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Speaker 1: and I'm working in another capacity outside of modeling. But

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Speaker 1: what actually got me here thirty years ago was stepping

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Speaker 1: up in a very thin, as thin as you can

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Speaker 1: go as a model industry, in the fashion industry. And

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Speaker 1: here I was an athlete, size twelve fourteen, about five

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Speaker 1: eleven and in the nineties, and stylists and photographers and

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Speaker 1: used to six feet five to eleven women that are

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Speaker 1: was not going to lose forty pounds to get into

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Speaker 1: this industry. And I walked into a very new, burgeoning

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Speaker 1: industry called the full figured industry or the plus size industry. Now,

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Speaker 1: because I wasn't very very large, or I wasn't very

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Speaker 1: people did not know what to do with me. And

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Speaker 1: my truth was I had some history with disordered eating.

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Speaker 1: I was an athlete, so there were comments when I

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Speaker 1: was this strong Mamazonian scholarship, a warrity at Syracuse University,

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Speaker 1: But as a growing young woman, my imagery around me

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Speaker 1: then finally when I got how old was I, I

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Speaker 1: My first stop out in Arizona, and I learned about,

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Speaker 1: you know, how to satiate my curiosity with people. I

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Speaker 1: these other beautiful women that were in the full figured

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Speaker 1: find anything. And that's just a little background on where

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Speaker 1: I came from and where I'm at right now. I'm

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Speaker 1: writing and I'm living in LA I'm also a sound healer,

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Speaker 1: It takes a village for one to bring out new messaging,

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Speaker 1: and especially if you're asking not only the fashion industry

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Speaker 1: to understand more about their customer base, the whole bouquet

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Speaker 1: the National Eating Disorders Association for about thirty years. At

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Speaker 1: And surprisingly enough, I got ten books same, all the same,

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