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Speaker 2: Now we got welcome to no dunks here on the

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Speaker 2: Athletic Podcast Network. I'm tas Mellis with me. It's the

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Speaker 2: man in the middle. It's Tray Kirby hel A and

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Speaker 2: the man making the magic happen with a great AO

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Speaker 2: coming from him. Today, superproducer JD got a step up test.

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Speaker 2: You really did? Yeah, we don't have skeets here today,

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Speaker 2: although he was with us yesterday for an emergency podcast

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Speaker 2: because DeMar de Rosen signed and traded from the Scruggle

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Speaker 2: to whether or not DeMar de Rosan Warrens an emergency podcast.

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Speaker 3: Come on, it's how people saying you did a cam

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Speaker 3: reddish emergency podcast. When that's the bar, it could be anybody.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. Later on today we will talk about

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Speaker 2: free agency moves, those left and some other minor moves.

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Speaker 2: We know the twelve men's team's going to play at

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Speaker 2: the Olympics, so we'll talk about that. Who starts for

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Speaker 2: the USA team. Just to shout out to Yannistatkombo. You're

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Speaker 2: a freaking hero every single time. We'll get to that.

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Speaker 2: But we are lucky enough to have Fred Katz join

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Speaker 2: us to talk about the New York Knicks Everything Nicks.

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Speaker 2: He's the beat writer for the Knicks on the Athletic.

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Speaker 2: He does some podcasting work as well. He's on the

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Speaker 2: Athletic NBA show sometimes, and he's host of Kats and

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Speaker 2: Shoot twice a week Knicks and NBA podcast. Hey Fred, Hey, Hey,

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Speaker 2: so happy to be here.

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Speaker 1: I'm thrilled to be here as always.

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Speaker 2: Thank you for coming on. Just quick question, does DeMar

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Speaker 2: Derosen warrant an emergency podcast if he's dealt Only.

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Speaker 4: If you entitle it to podcasts otherwise No, this guy

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Speaker 4: loves to name podcast after somebody else's name, doesn't he

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Speaker 4: Cats and Shoot?

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Speaker 2: Fred?

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Speaker 3: Are you a good shooter?

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Speaker 1: I'm a good shooter compared to all of my other

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Speaker 1: basketball skills. It's easily my best skill. But I would

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Speaker 1: say that my NBA comp is like if Reggie Evans

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Speaker 3: Good team guy toughness and physicality set.

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Speaker 1: I'll set a wildly illegal screen and pick up perfect

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Speaker 3: Nobody's calling that gets your guy wide open, great.

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Speaker 1: Stuff, exactly exactly. So I get punched in the face

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Speaker 3: You know, I would have said, it's just shadows, you know.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a light shadow if you're with her

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Speaker 2: on the YouTube. But this is a light shadow on

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Speaker 1: Although I think I got a sty coming in Ohett

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Speaker 3: Wow, really good signing. Hw, you got a stye in

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Speaker 3: your eye. People said E wouldn't go over the mid

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Speaker 3: level exception for the sty, but look at him now.

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Speaker 2: I had no idea that there's a sty coming. So

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Speaker 2: you just gave people some information that they would not

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Speaker 2: have gone even if they looked at you for many

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Speaker 1: That's what reporters do. We're supposed to tell the story

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Speaker 1: behind the story.

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Speaker 3: That's right.

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Speaker 1: You can't say up from the damn right now.

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Speaker 2: Want to hear the story. Here's a segway of mckel bridges,

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Speaker 2: because let's just start big picture. The New York Knicks

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Speaker 2: go get mcel bridges. So I want to hear from

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Speaker 1: They're able to flip RJ. Barrett and Emmanuel quickly for

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Speaker 1: I think it wasn't just the podcast. I think it's

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Speaker 1: thought the Knicks could off for a really good package

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Speaker 1: and there was reason for that, Like there is there

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Speaker 1: there's there's all of that sort of politics that ends

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Speaker 3: Big trade podcasts were going crazy for that one afterwards.

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Speaker 1: That's enormous.

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Speaker 3: This changed the playoffs.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, they lent, they lent to Elmore.

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Speaker 3: It is more popular than Lennelmore.

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Speaker 2: I would say so. I think I would say so.

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Speaker 2: considering you know they're just close enough. You just would

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Speaker 2: think that you mentioned tampering like there'd be enough front

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Speaker 3: There definitely have been guys that have played for the

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Speaker 1: And I think the value in Bridges and then similarly

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely no burden on the roster because of what

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Speaker 2: And I want to get to that part because you

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Speaker 2: be most likely Bridges, o G Andobi and Randall as

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Speaker 2: Those are monstrous wings. They're huge. But is that I mean,

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Speaker 2: is that a given? Is Heart and Devincenzo just the

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean neither can I and I. Nobody's going

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Speaker 1: to start. Randall's going to start, Bridge is going to start.

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Speaker 1: You don't pay Anobi two hundred and twelve million dollars

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Speaker 1: pay four unprotected first round picks and another first and

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Speaker 1: another swap for Bridges not to start. So I anticipate

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Speaker 1: That's a really deep team. It's a really good problem

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Speaker 1: good problem to have. I don't anticipate either of those

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Speaker 1: purely just toatroll Tims, because I don't think that they're

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Speaker 1: So like he's gonna complain no matter what you do,

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Speaker 1: also helps that like Heart and Devincenzo and Brunson, like

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Speaker 1: these guys are recruiting Bridges to New York, they wanted this.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they were thinking, oh, well, bridges will

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Speaker 1: I don't think that was I don't think that was

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that would be pretty rude of them to go

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Speaker 3: squidward meme with the starters in the bench when Michale

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Speaker 3: grown since their time at Villanova. You know, Brunson was

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Speaker 3: I think he was the mop the year. One of

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Speaker 3: the years they won the championship. Bridges became a number

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Speaker 3: one option. Like these guys were draft prospects way back

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Speaker 3: when it's easier to get along when you're nineteen and

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Speaker 3: have changed a little bit now, but you got the

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Speaker 3: power of friendship to fall back on. Is that just

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Speaker 3: what these guys are assuming we're back in college having fun,

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Speaker 1: That is what they're assuming. Yeah, I mean, look, there

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Speaker 1: because remember Ryan Archie Diacino was on the roster for

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Speaker 1: last year where you know, I would talk to Ryan

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Speaker 1: in the locker room or whatever, and just casual conversation

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Speaker 1: would you do this weekend or on your off day

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Speaker 1: one facetimed me and was like, where are you I'm

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Speaker 1: coming and then the wives were like, we're coming to

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Speaker 1: and they all just they all just end up meeting

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Speaker 1: I think it's very, very genuine how close that crew is.

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Speaker 1: that could cause friction. Maybe it happens for all we know. However,

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Speaker 1: I don't. I haven't really seen any evidence of it happening.

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Speaker 1: I've kind of only seen evidence of the opposite. I

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Speaker 1: think there's any way the Knicks would have leaned into

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Speaker 1: this as hard as they did. If that weren't the case.

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Speaker 2: Right, too bad, Too bad.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to table apart from the inside before

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Speaker 3: they even started together. But that makes sense. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I think the only guy that's a little bit upset

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Speaker 2: eight minutes. I mean, there's just not enough minutes to

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Speaker 2: go around.

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Speaker 3: Too many players.

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Speaker 2: There's too many players.

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Speaker 1: Oh, he'll find a way.

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Speaker 2: They'll find a way. Yeah, I do under about.

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Speaker 1: He'll play seven overtimes if they have to.

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Speaker 2: Tibbs always finds a way.

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Speaker 3: What's a guy like Tom Thibodeau even do in the

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Speaker 1: goes goes away somewhere to an undisclosed location. Yeah, doesn't

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Speaker 1: legitimately just at the next practice facility is there all

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Speaker 1: And then I left, and I was there till ten PM,

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Speaker 1: it's like he is just always there. He really is.

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Speaker 2: I've heard a rumor that he works out of Mike

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Speaker 2: just loves Mike and ikes jelly beans. They're not jelly beans.

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Speaker 2: I shouldn't call him that. They're candy. That's the thing

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Speaker 2: going around. That's the because things are just so dead

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Speaker 2: right now on the in social media. There's a rumor.

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Speaker 2: There's a rumor that that's where Tibbs is making Mike

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Speaker 1: With NBA, with NBA salaries where they are for for

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Speaker 2: Good call.

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Speaker 1: Got He's got to appease, got to appease Josh Hart.

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Speaker 1: Josh Hart in his addiction to Mike and Ike's Next

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Speaker 1: Level Steph Stephan Bondi had the best Josh Hart Mike

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Speaker 1: and Ike's anecdote where he wrote in a story earlier

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Speaker 1: this year that when heart was at the bubble because

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Speaker 1: Mike and Knikes. Had to Mike and Knike ripped out

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Speaker 1: the whole time because he couldn't stay away from Mike

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Speaker 1: and Nikes. So Tims might really be, you know, have

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Speaker 1: some sort of advantage by working at Mike Andife that's amazing.

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Speaker 2: That is a great story that I'd never heard of

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Speaker 2: from Stuff and Body. That's awesome. Not awesome because you, yeah,

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Speaker 2: a fun story for us, for us. Absolutely, let's get

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Speaker 2: to the bigs. The fact that Isaiah Hartenstein has gone

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Speaker 2: may do to fill out that backup center spot, whether

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Speaker 2: purchased it, Chuwa comes back, or they go and get

435
00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 2: another big. I'm curious if there are any just this

436
00:21:06,920 --> 00:21:10,000
Speaker 2: idea that, well, we don't have Isaiah Hartenstein, that's such

437
00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: a negative in the locker room, Like if that is

438
00:21:13,520 --> 00:21:17,800
Speaker 2: just something that will be some sort of problem for them,

439
00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:21,800
Speaker 2: or is there number one? I'm sure there's faith in

440
00:21:21,840 --> 00:21:24,200
Speaker 2: precious to chew in others, But is there a world

441
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Speaker 2: where Julius Randall plays back up five minutes or one

442
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Speaker 2: of the og or mckel bridges. Is that a possibility.

443
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Speaker 1: I think it's a possibility. I don't think it's a

444
00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:38,440
Speaker 1: thing that we're gonna see baked into the roster construction, though,

445
00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:41,280
Speaker 1: Like I think they will have some sort of conventional

446
00:21:41,320 --> 00:21:44,040
Speaker 1: backup five that got Jericho Sims on the roster. Right now,

447
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:46,119
Speaker 1: my guess is Sims will enter the year as the

448
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,160
Speaker 1: third string center. I think that's probably the preference, and

449
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:52,200
Speaker 1: I think most likely is, like you just said, precious

450
00:21:52,200 --> 00:21:54,159
Speaker 1: to Chew is still a free agent. I think the

451
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: Knicks are very open to bringing him back, depending on

452
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Speaker 1: the price. The way that they constructed the Bridges trade,

453
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,200
Speaker 1: it gave them a good amount of wiggle room under

454
00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:04,160
Speaker 1: the second apron so they're able to sign at Chua.

455
00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,440
Speaker 1: And they're even able to use their taxpayer mid level

456
00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 1: exception on top of signing at Chua, so they can

457
00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:11,200
Speaker 1: they can. They have the money, they can make some moves,

458
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Speaker 1: and I do anticipate some sort of more conventional backup five,

459
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Speaker 1: even though it Chew is not necessarily like your conventional

460
00:22:19,080 --> 00:22:21,880
Speaker 1: super big rim protecting five. He's someone who can play

461
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Speaker 1: the five. I do expect someone like that to be

462
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Speaker 1: in that slot. That being said, I wouldn't be surprised

463
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Speaker 1: if we saw a small ball more than we ever

464
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Speaker 1: have from TIBs this year's team. And part of the

465
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Speaker 1: reason why is because of og Annobe and people talk

466
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Speaker 1: all the time about Randall at the five lineups, and

467
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Speaker 1: I think ultimately what it would be is even if

468
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Speaker 1: Randall's out there, it would more be Ananobe at the

469
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Speaker 1: five lineups, because that's what's giving you the versatility an

470
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Speaker 1: Annobe and maybe Bridges. That was something that Tibbs was

471
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Speaker 1: I think that was something that Tibbs spoke about is

472
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Speaker 1: something he wanted to try out more during the regular

473
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Speaker 1: season last year, but he wanted to get an Anobe's situated first.

474
00:23:00,800 --> 00:23:03,360
Speaker 1: And what happened was an Anobi came over on the trade,

475
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 1: played his first game January first, ended up getting hurt

476
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Speaker 1: in January, missed a month and a half, came back

477
00:23:10,640 --> 00:23:14,159
Speaker 1: from elbow surgery, got hurt again, came back just in

478
00:23:14,160 --> 00:23:17,080
Speaker 1: time for the playoffs, got hurt again, and so Tims

479
00:23:17,080 --> 00:23:19,159
Speaker 1: wanted to get him situated in his new role and

480
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: then start trying out some other stuff, which maybe would

481
00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,159
Speaker 1: have had him guarding more fives, playing small ball with

482
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Speaker 1: him at the five against certain types of lineups, not

483
00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:29,000
Speaker 1: all the time, not as a regular thing, but more

484
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Speaker 1: than Tims will normally go to that kind of stuff,

485
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:33,320
Speaker 1: and he never really got the opportunity to do it.

486
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Speaker 1: We saw some during the Philadelphia series in the first

487
00:23:36,359 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: round of the playoffs, they closed Game four with a

488
00:23:39,400 --> 00:23:41,919
Speaker 1: Chua and Ananobe at the four and the five, and

489
00:23:41,960 --> 00:23:44,080
Speaker 1: what really happened was a Chua was guarding guys in

490
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Speaker 1: the perimeter and Ananobi who was guarding Joel Embiid. And

491
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Speaker 1: I think we might see stuff like that pop up

492
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Speaker 1: a little bit more, especially if the Knicks start to

493
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Speaker 1: have success, because it's not just og there now, it's

494
00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,960
Speaker 1: also Bridges. And if you can have a line up

495
00:24:00,080 --> 00:24:05,280
Speaker 1: up with Bridges and Annabe and whether it's Stevencenzo or

496
00:24:05,480 --> 00:24:09,439
Speaker 1: Heart like, these are good defensive players, guys who can

497
00:24:09,440 --> 00:24:12,160
Speaker 1: defend the ermeter, who are perimeter, who are good helpers,

498
00:24:12,600 --> 00:24:14,960
Speaker 1: who are strong team defenders, who are good at getting

499
00:24:14,960 --> 00:24:18,840
Speaker 1: into passing lanes, it could be really stifling. And offensively,

500
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Speaker 1: if you have that lineup, say minus Mitchell Robinson plus

501
00:24:23,800 --> 00:24:28,359
Speaker 1: Dante DiVincenzo, offensively, that could just be insane. And you

502
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,520
Speaker 1: kind of have Julius Randall as your five offensively in

503
00:24:32,600 --> 00:24:36,080
Speaker 1: terms of setting screens, creating threes on the short role,

504
00:24:36,400 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 1: going to the basket out of the short role, and

505
00:24:38,560 --> 00:24:40,879
Speaker 1: you have all this shooting and cutting around him. So

506
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Speaker 1: I think offensively that lineup could be absolutely dynamic. I

507
00:24:44,359 --> 00:24:47,520
Speaker 1: think it's possible that we see it more, though I

508
00:24:47,560 --> 00:24:49,600
Speaker 1: don't think that will prevent them from bringing in a

509
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:51,960
Speaker 1: more conventional backup center behind Mitchell Robinson.

510
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Speaker 2: That's what I wanted to hear. I wanted to hear

511
00:24:54,320 --> 00:24:57,880
Speaker 2: some of that Og combo with mckel bridges at times,

512
00:24:58,119 --> 00:25:01,280
Speaker 2: because Og was so good in moments against Joel Embiid

513
00:25:02,080 --> 00:25:05,480
Speaker 2: when he was able to fight through and unfortunately got

514
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:08,160
Speaker 2: health or hurt again, and I really hope that doesn't

515
00:25:08,160 --> 00:25:11,440
Speaker 2: happen to Og again as it usually does he usually

516
00:25:11,520 --> 00:25:15,720
Speaker 2: does with Raptors fans. I know it was a talk

517
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,320
Speaker 2: after he was dealt. He was dealt because he got

518
00:25:18,359 --> 00:25:20,800
Speaker 2: injured and he does get injured from time to time.

519
00:25:20,960 --> 00:25:23,399
Speaker 3: Well Fred just mentioned he got injured three times last year.

520
00:25:23,760 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 2: He did just on the Knicks.

521
00:25:26,280 --> 00:25:28,359
Speaker 3: So yeah, Og at the five I think is a

522
00:25:28,400 --> 00:25:31,320
Speaker 3: great idea. And you know, the Knicks to me are

523
00:25:31,480 --> 00:25:34,520
Speaker 3: being built very similar to the way the Celtics are built,

524
00:25:34,560 --> 00:25:37,960
Speaker 3: with their perimeter defense kind of feeding into their interior defense.

525
00:25:38,000 --> 00:25:40,080
Speaker 3: You think about the backup big for the Celtics, it's

526
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Speaker 3: Al Horford. He's more of a switch big than a

527
00:25:42,600 --> 00:25:44,840
Speaker 3: rim protector, just like a Chua is more of a

528
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:47,080
Speaker 3: switch big than a rim protector. You can see the

529
00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:49,719
Speaker 3: outlines there. And of course they'll sign Taj Gibson at

530
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Speaker 3: some point. You think that's before or after twenty twenty five.

531
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Speaker 1: I think it's both. Okay, Yeah, I think they sign

532
00:25:57,080 --> 00:25:58,720
Speaker 1: him in twenty twenty five, and then every.

533
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Speaker 3: Year after that, when somebody goes down, he's gonna come

534
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,760
Speaker 3: in and play thirty games off the bench.

535
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Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be. I think it's gonna be

536
00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 1: like twenty six forty three, and New York's gonna be

537
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 1: underwater and Taz is gonna be living in a little

538
00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:14,240
Speaker 1: submarine and where Brooklyn used to be, and Tis is

539
00:26:14,240 --> 00:26:16,280
Speaker 1: gonna call him and be like you in shape, and

540
00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:17,119
Speaker 1: they're gonna be good to go.

541
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Speaker 2: He'll be ready to go.

542
00:26:18,640 --> 00:26:21,000
Speaker 3: With Hartenstein. The Knicks were kind of capped at what

543
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:23,800
Speaker 3: they could offer him, and that offer got blown out

544
00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:27,040
Speaker 3: of the water by the thunder. Was there any Was

545
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,440
Speaker 3: there any point in time where it seemed like Hartenstein

546
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Speaker 3: might actually come back give the Knicks the discount just

547
00:26:32,359 --> 00:26:33,440
Speaker 3: to be a part of this team.

548
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Speaker 1: If the discount was only a small discount. Yeah, I

549
00:26:38,080 --> 00:26:40,240
Speaker 1: think that was on the table. You know, he talked

550
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: about in his intro press conference how difficult of a

551
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:45,040
Speaker 1: decision that it was for him to take the Thunder offer.

552
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:47,200
Speaker 1: I think he really loved playing for this team. He

553
00:26:47,280 --> 00:26:48,880
Speaker 1: had a lot of really good friends on this team,

554
00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,120
Speaker 1: and he was obviously a really big part of their success.

555
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:55,480
Speaker 1: The Brunsen Hartenstein pick and roll was so important for

556
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,439
Speaker 1: them for numerous reasons. He had a great defensive season

557
00:26:58,520 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 1: after entering the starting lineup for Mitchell Robinson when Robinson

558
00:27:01,760 --> 00:27:05,760
Speaker 1: got hurt in December, Like, he had a really fantastic

559
00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:08,840
Speaker 1: season for them, But once the money grows that large,

560
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:11,359
Speaker 1: I think it's like, like, it's not like the Knicks

561
00:27:11,440 --> 00:27:14,040
Speaker 1: entered free agency on July first, and we're like, man,

562
00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,680
Speaker 1: we got a chance with Hertenstein. Their offer was still

563
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,000
Speaker 1: out there, but I think they knew he was gone

564
00:27:19,320 --> 00:27:22,040
Speaker 1: well before that. You know, I had reported in the

565
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,520
Speaker 1: days leading up to free agency that, you know, they

566
00:27:24,600 --> 00:27:26,320
Speaker 1: had sensed that he was going to get much bigger

567
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,119
Speaker 1: offers they weren't going to be able to compete with,

568
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:29,760
Speaker 1: and I think they were ready to move on to

569
00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: a Plan B at that point. So it kind of

570
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:35,320
Speaker 1: depends on how you want to phrase it. Did Hartenstein

571
00:27:35,359 --> 00:27:38,720
Speaker 1: want to come back. I'm sure he did, but you know,

572
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,600
Speaker 1: sometimes the money is just too big.

573
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 3: Yeah, thirty million versus what seventeen and a half. Eighteen million,

574
00:27:44,400 --> 00:27:45,560
Speaker 3: I think is what the Knicks we're going to be

575
00:27:45,600 --> 00:27:49,399
Speaker 3: able to offer. That's really tough to make back, especially

576
00:27:50,200 --> 00:27:53,399
Speaker 3: the first big contract of Heartenstein's career. But you mentioned

577
00:27:53,600 --> 00:27:56,640
Speaker 3: a couple of times Julius Randall. You said he's still

578
00:27:56,680 --> 00:27:59,480
Speaker 3: in his twenties. He's a two time All NBA player,

579
00:28:00,440 --> 00:28:02,520
Speaker 3: And there are definitely times when you watch the Knicks

580
00:28:02,560 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 3: and you're like, they don't necessarily need Julius Randall. So

581
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:08,160
Speaker 3: you say he's going to be starting at the four

582
00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 3: coming in, he might see minutes at the backup five.

583
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:15,200
Speaker 3: Depending on how your name and the positions there is

584
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:18,760
Speaker 3: Randall locked in as a member of this Knicks team. Here.

585
00:28:18,840 --> 00:28:21,119
Speaker 3: He didn't go to Villanova, so he doesn't have that

586
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:26,920
Speaker 3: wildcat connection. He was a wildcat at Kentucky. Different breeds,

587
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:30,000
Speaker 3: of course, but to me, Randall seems like a guy

588
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,120
Speaker 3: who could go either way with the Knicks. He could

589
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,520
Speaker 3: be part of this team going a little bit further,

590
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:37,760
Speaker 3: or he could be a guy they move to beef

591
00:28:37,880 --> 00:28:39,680
Speaker 3: up some other spots and.

592
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:44,680
Speaker 1: It's just lowercase wildcat on the court too, just plays

593
00:28:44,720 --> 00:28:49,480
Speaker 1: like a wildcat, spit out slamming. Oh yeah, that's what

594
00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: wildcats do. They slam. Everybody knows that. Everyone knows anything

595
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 1: about cats know that they spin and they slam. I

596
00:28:58,160 --> 00:29:00,240
Speaker 1: think with Randall it's a little bit more up in

597
00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,640
Speaker 1: the air. I can't say he's a sure locked in guy.

598
00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,200
Speaker 1: And the reason why is because he's entering the final

599
00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:10,120
Speaker 1: year of his contract. He's eligible for an extension on

600
00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: August third. It's going to be very interesting to see

601
00:29:12,600 --> 00:29:15,120
Speaker 1: how that goes. But he's entering the final year of

602
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: his deal, he's due for a raise. The thing with

603
00:29:19,080 --> 00:29:21,320
Speaker 1: Randall that is so interesting to me and I don't

604
00:29:21,440 --> 00:29:24,160
Speaker 1: know how this is going to go. But after they

605
00:29:24,240 --> 00:29:28,360
Speaker 1: got Ananobe in January, he really started to play a

606
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,960
Speaker 1: different brand of ball. The Knicks go twelve and two

607
00:29:31,240 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 1: in those first fourteen games when they have, you know,

608
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,720
Speaker 1: after they acquire Ananobe, and that's before Randall dislocates his

609
00:29:36,760 --> 00:29:38,880
Speaker 1: shoulder and goes down for the year. And they're not

610
00:29:39,040 --> 00:29:41,320
Speaker 1: just twelve and two against crappy teams. They beat some

611
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 1: bad teams, but they also won in Philadelphia by thirty six,

612
00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 1: and that was fully healthy Philadelphia dwell Embiid plays in

613
00:29:48,480 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 1: that game. They beat Philadelphia by thirty six. In Philadelphia,

614
00:29:51,600 --> 00:29:53,680
Speaker 1: they beat Denver. Denver's at the end of a road trip,

615
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:56,360
Speaker 1: but it's still Denver. They beat Denver by thirty eight.

616
00:29:56,600 --> 00:29:59,320
Speaker 1: They beat Minnesota in that stretch as well. And they're

617
00:29:59,360 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 1: playing b beautiful basketball right off the bat. Offensively, there's movement,

618
00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,520
Speaker 1: and there's cutting, and there's there's ball movements. It's just

619
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: beautiful basketball. And defensively they're basically playing on a string

620
00:30:10,920 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: the whole time. And I think Randal really bought into it.

621
00:30:15,120 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: After that first game with Annonnobi. Randall just looked like

622
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:20,360
Speaker 1: he had found God.

623
00:30:20,880 --> 00:30:21,120
Speaker 3: It was.

624
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 1: It was a totally different kind of reaction than you're

625
00:30:24,600 --> 00:30:26,960
Speaker 1: normally used to seeing from him. And he kept repeating

626
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:29,680
Speaker 1: that og was the perfect fit. He's the perfect fit.

627
00:30:30,040 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: It was. It was as if it hit him like, man,

628
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:35,960
Speaker 1: what a this is the way the game is supposed

629
00:30:35,960 --> 00:30:38,840
Speaker 1: to be late after he had just been Yeah. And

630
00:30:38,880 --> 00:30:40,040
Speaker 1: I don't want to make it seem like he and

631
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,320
Speaker 1: r J. Barrett didn't get along, because that is absolutely

632
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: not true at all. But I do think he and

633
00:30:44,760 --> 00:30:47,720
Speaker 1: r J Barrett had conflicting playing styles where both those

634
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 1: guys are kind of, you know, they're prone to wanting

635
00:30:50,800 --> 00:30:53,560
Speaker 1: the ball in their hands. And Barrett is at his

636
00:30:53,640 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: best when he kind of has the ball in his

637
00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:57,560
Speaker 1: hands and Randall is at his best when he has

638
00:30:57,640 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 1: the ball in his hands. And they occupy similar parts

639
00:31:00,320 --> 00:31:02,680
Speaker 1: of the court. Neither is an elite three point shooter,

640
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:07,640
Speaker 1: and so there was just on court stuff that didn't mesh.

641
00:31:07,600 --> 00:31:09,400
Speaker 2: To catch with them. They're not cats, but you know

642
00:31:09,440 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 2: they're spinners and slammers.

643
00:31:11,200 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, spinners and slammers. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you can't have

644
00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 1: too many spinners and slammers, that's right. And then Og

645
00:31:18,760 --> 00:31:21,800
Speaker 1: is just like this enthusiastic Pomeranian who's just like cutting

646
00:31:21,840 --> 00:31:24,320
Speaker 1: away from the ball and he's good to go, you know.

647
00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 1: And I think Randall saw that. I think he really

648
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:31,280
Speaker 1: bought in. And you watch how he played in January,

649
00:31:31,480 --> 00:31:33,800
Speaker 1: and it wasn't okay, let me get the ball and

650
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,720
Speaker 1: do my thing here he was making the extra pass.

651
00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,360
Speaker 1: He was so important for them as somebody who was

652
00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:42,800
Speaker 1: able to create threes. There's nobody on that roster who

653
00:31:42,880 --> 00:31:45,360
Speaker 1: can facilitate three pointers the way that he can. He

654
00:31:45,480 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: gives them a completely different way to create offense too.

655
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,280
Speaker 1: So much of their offense without Randall. And this is

656
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,640
Speaker 1: something that I just I banged this drum all season

657
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:56,880
Speaker 1: because I know there were people who are wondering, are

658
00:31:56,920 --> 00:31:59,920
Speaker 1: they better without Julius Randall? And I just couldn't bring

659
00:32:00,080 --> 00:32:02,040
Speaker 1: myself to say that at all. And part of the

660
00:32:02,080 --> 00:32:04,960
Speaker 1: reason why is because when they don't have Randall, their

661
00:32:05,000 --> 00:32:08,000
Speaker 1: best way to create three pointers is just driving kick,

662
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: drive and kick, drive and kick. And if they don't

663
00:32:10,400 --> 00:32:12,440
Speaker 1: have a three on the first driving kick, they're going

664
00:32:12,520 --> 00:32:14,320
Speaker 1: to drive into the lane again and they're going to

665
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:16,640
Speaker 1: try to create the three again, and if a defense

666
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:20,080
Speaker 1: is guarding them, well, they might struggle to get those shots.

667
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 1: But what Randall does is he gives them a different

668
00:32:23,560 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: sort of way to infiltrate the paint. It's not just

669
00:32:26,840 --> 00:32:29,520
Speaker 1: on a pick and roll to Hartenstein and Hartenstein creates

670
00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,280
Speaker 1: out of the short role. And it's not just on

671
00:32:31,480 --> 00:32:34,120
Speaker 1: like Josh hart attacking a closeout and then kicking out

672
00:32:34,160 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 1: to somebody. But you can do with Randall's You can

673
00:32:36,200 --> 00:32:37,960
Speaker 1: feed them the ball down low in the post. He

674
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,840
Speaker 1: can create a mismatch, he can make the defense come

675
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: over his way and then he can create threes either

676
00:32:43,560 --> 00:32:45,800
Speaker 1: on the wing or in the opposite corner, and we

677
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:49,680
Speaker 1: saw him do that time and time again really effectively,

678
00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:51,920
Speaker 1: and I think that's something that will be really important

679
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,959
Speaker 1: to the knickt offense next year, especially with Mikel Bridges

680
00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,160
Speaker 1: and with Ognnobi there for the whole time. He just

681
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:02,720
Speaker 1: gives them a different element. He's incredibly important, and maybe

682
00:33:02,760 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: they do see some sort of reason to move on

683
00:33:06,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: from him, but they're not going to do it to

684
00:33:08,560 --> 00:33:09,960
Speaker 1: get worse, I'll tell you that much.

685
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:14,480
Speaker 2: Julius Reynold is definitely a player that basketball fans just

686
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,520
Speaker 2: kind of overlooked after he was gone and just didn't

687
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:20,320
Speaker 2: realize what he had done the first four months of

688
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:24,840
Speaker 2: five months of the season. He was absolutely fantastic. And

689
00:33:25,440 --> 00:33:29,600
Speaker 2: you just going through everything Fred just makes me realize

690
00:33:29,640 --> 00:33:31,880
Speaker 2: that everybody's going to overlook the New York Knicks going

691
00:33:31,920 --> 00:33:33,480
Speaker 2: into next season. I mean, we haven't even talked about

692
00:33:33,520 --> 00:33:35,840
Speaker 2: Jayleen Brounson. There's just going to be guys as basketball

693
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 2: fans that we overlook with this team. It just happens

694
00:33:40,360 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 2: on the tweeters and on the social media. That is

695
00:33:42,360 --> 00:33:45,080
Speaker 2: going to happen. So I just want to get from you,

696
00:33:45,760 --> 00:33:49,560
Speaker 2: a man who covers the team. Your opinion of where

697
00:33:49,800 --> 00:33:53,280
Speaker 2: the Knicks rank amongst the Eastern Conference teams right now.

698
00:33:55,080 --> 00:33:58,760
Speaker 1: It's hard to say without knowing Philadelphia's whole roster. I

699
00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,760
Speaker 1: loved the Caleb mark and signing for them the other day.

700
00:34:02,000 --> 00:34:05,200
Speaker 1: I think he's he's so good for them. Bringing back

701
00:34:05,280 --> 00:34:09,600
Speaker 1: Kelly Ubray, I think was a very necessary move. I

702
00:34:09,680 --> 00:34:12,279
Speaker 1: would slat the Knicks ahead of Philadelphia, though for now.

703
00:34:14,000 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: That's subject to change. But I would for now just

704
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: because Paul George and Dwell and Beid's health is always

705
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,040
Speaker 1: going to be a problem or at least a question

706
00:34:22,600 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 1: heading into the postseason, and I think the Knicks right

707
00:34:26,000 --> 00:34:28,360
Speaker 1: now have the deeper roster. Like you look at the

708
00:34:28,719 --> 00:34:30,560
Speaker 1: bench lineups, the Knicks are going to be able to

709
00:34:30,600 --> 00:34:33,560
Speaker 1: throw out there in the postseason, regardless of who the

710
00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:35,440
Speaker 1: backup center is. They might go to an eight mem

711
00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: rotation in the postseason, and their second unit could be

712
00:34:38,920 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: comprised of just like Deuce McBride, Dante DiVincenzo, Josh Hart,

713
00:34:44,400 --> 00:34:48,440
Speaker 1: Michael Bridges, and og Nnobi. The switchability in that lineup,

714
00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:51,960
Speaker 1: the defensive force with that lineup, the speed that lineup

715
00:34:52,000 --> 00:34:56,400
Speaker 1: can play with the shooting in that lineup against second units,

716
00:34:57,000 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: I could see their reserves. If this team is fully

717
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,400
Speaker 1: healthy and functioning as it can, I could see their

718
00:35:03,480 --> 00:35:07,719
Speaker 1: reserves just destroying other teams second units, and I think

719
00:35:07,760 --> 00:35:10,319
Speaker 1: that will help them a ton. Their starters last year

720
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:16,120
Speaker 1: were so good when they had those fourteen games of

721
00:35:16,160 --> 00:35:17,800
Speaker 1: being able to play together. I think they were like

722
00:35:17,880 --> 00:35:21,200
Speaker 1: plus fifteen per one hundred possessions. Now you're adding bridges

723
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 1: into the mix. I just I see this team being

724
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,640
Speaker 1: really good. Maybe Philadelphia is ahead of them. Obviously Boston

725
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:31,080
Speaker 1: is number one, that's the implied thing. But I think

726
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:32,440
Speaker 1: the Knicks have as good of a chance as to

727
00:35:32,440 --> 00:35:35,239
Speaker 1: any to meet Boston in the conference finals. And they're

728
00:35:35,280 --> 00:35:38,920
Speaker 1: designed to play the Celtics. That's what they are. They're

729
00:35:39,040 --> 00:35:43,360
Speaker 1: locked and loaded with all these defensive minded, tough wings

730
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:46,719
Speaker 1: and Mitchell Robinson at center, who was a really good

731
00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,520
Speaker 1: rim protector and pick and roll defender, and they're armed

732
00:35:49,560 --> 00:35:52,120
Speaker 1: with that in order to go up against the unbelievably

733
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,080
Speaker 1: versatile Celtics. And when you get into a seven game series,

734
00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,080
Speaker 1: I don't think the Knicks would be the favorite, or

735
00:35:57,120 --> 00:35:59,320
Speaker 1: do I think they should be the favorite in that series.

736
00:35:59,360 --> 00:36:01,200
Speaker 1: But you get to a game series and it's like

737
00:36:01,600 --> 00:36:04,879
Speaker 1: anything can happen, And I think the Knicks have built

738
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:06,319
Speaker 1: themselves to go up against that team.

739
00:36:06,760 --> 00:36:09,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you nail that. Celtics are clearly the

740
00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,279
Speaker 3: class of the conference and will remain to be. And

741
00:36:12,360 --> 00:36:14,279
Speaker 3: then the Knicks versus six Ers is going to be

742
00:36:14,320 --> 00:36:16,840
Speaker 3: so interesting because they a just played an awesome playoff

743
00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:19,640
Speaker 3: series against each other. People would probably say the best

744
00:36:19,719 --> 00:36:22,799
Speaker 3: series of the playoffs so far, and they're going into

745
00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:26,399
Speaker 3: this season with like totally different ways of building their team.

746
00:36:26,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: The Sixers they probably have better high end talent. They

747
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,600
Speaker 3: got a Joel Embiid. The guy's an MVP. If he's healthy,

748
00:36:32,680 --> 00:36:36,880
Speaker 3: he's there. They basically got three Giant Max contracts and

749
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,080
Speaker 3: embid Paul George and MAXI. Then they got to fill

750
00:36:39,120 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 3: out the rest, just filling it out however they can

751
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:44,680
Speaker 3: using their exceptions. And then you got the Knicks, who

752
00:36:44,719 --> 00:36:49,280
Speaker 3: have built around friendship, depth, chemistry, and continuity. Their contracts

753
00:36:49,320 --> 00:36:52,320
Speaker 3: are all pretty much bargains, but they've got more guys

754
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 3: making higher dollars. So it's just cool to see two

755
00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,439
Speaker 3: different ways about building a team to try and knock

756
00:36:58,520 --> 00:37:01,359
Speaker 3: off the chance. We will see how it turns out

757
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,160
Speaker 3: another guy I wanted to ask you about, Fred pock

758
00:37:04,239 --> 00:37:07,400
Speaker 3: Holm Dottier. This was a surprise to me because he

759
00:37:07,400 --> 00:37:10,040
Speaker 3: got drafted late in the first round and everybody's like, oh,

760
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:12,319
Speaker 3: this is great for the next They're saving some money

761
00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 3: on their draft pick. They're not going to have to

762
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,879
Speaker 3: use them on a roster spot. And then like three

763
00:37:16,920 --> 00:37:18,919
Speaker 3: seconds later they're like, actually, I'm coming to the NBA

764
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:21,320
Speaker 3: right now. Is this guy really going to be playing?

765
00:37:21,480 --> 00:37:22,439
Speaker 3: And is he any good?

766
00:37:23,640 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 1: You really threw a curveball there and you were like,

767
00:37:26,000 --> 00:37:29,080
Speaker 1: there's one more thing I gotta pock.

768
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:30,160
Speaker 3: Home Dottie Pack.

769
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:33,920
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, I didn't at all. I never saw

770
00:37:34,000 --> 00:37:38,800
Speaker 1: that coming. I never saw that pack hombing. So I

771
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:43,600
Speaker 1: think part of it is you guys, You guys bring

772
00:37:43,680 --> 00:37:50,560
Speaker 1: out such a stupid side of me, So I think

773
00:37:51,239 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 1: I think part of it. Look, they actually signed Dottie

774
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 1: to to a cheap deal for his draft slot. I mean,

775
00:37:57,080 --> 00:37:59,640
Speaker 1: we can get really nerdy, yeah and talk about they

776
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:02,239
Speaker 1: signed to eighty percent eighty They signed up to eighty

777
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:06,000
Speaker 1: percent of the rookie scale, which which is pretty damn

778
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:08,440
Speaker 1: rare the last first round or to sign for eighty

779
00:38:08,480 --> 00:38:10,320
Speaker 1: percent of the Rookie Scale, and the way it works

780
00:38:10,440 --> 00:38:13,239
Speaker 1: is there's a suggested salary called the rookie scale for

781
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:15,640
Speaker 1: all players drafted in the first round, and you can

782
00:38:15,680 --> 00:38:17,359
Speaker 1: sign for as much as one hundred and twenty percent

783
00:38:17,400 --> 00:38:19,640
Speaker 1: of that salary and for as little as eighty percent

784
00:38:19,680 --> 00:38:24,440
Speaker 1: of that salary. And players almost always signed for one

785
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:27,560
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty percent, and Pattier signed for eighty percent,

786
00:38:27,719 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: which saved the Knicks about nine hundred thousand dollars of

787
00:38:30,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: room under the second apron for this year. He's the

788
00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:35,759
Speaker 1: first guy to do that since Kevin Porter Junior in

789
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:40,040
Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Before that, it was Andre Robertson in twenty thirteen,

790
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,320
Speaker 1: and before that it was I mean, I'm sure you

791
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: guys remember this because it just took over the world

792
00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,480
Speaker 1: with the news. It was Jan Mahemi in two thousand

793
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:48,840
Speaker 1: and seven.

794
00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah yeah, And you were covering okay,

795
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,800
Speaker 2: see when Andre Roberson was signed to that deal in

796
00:38:53,840 --> 00:38:54,920
Speaker 2: twenty thirteen, is that right?

797
00:38:56,200 --> 00:38:58,520
Speaker 1: It was before I was covering Okay, see, but I

798
00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,239
Speaker 1: did cover Andre Robertson and I covered Yon Maheme in.

799
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:02,920
Speaker 2: Washington great stuff.

800
00:39:03,280 --> 00:39:05,799
Speaker 1: So you get here an incredible Yon Maheme fact.

801
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:07,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, yes, more than anything.

802
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Did you know that Yan Maheemme is the businessman who

803
00:39:11,040 --> 00:39:14,840
Speaker 1: is responsible for brokering Steak and Shake's entrance into France.

804
00:39:16,000 --> 00:39:20,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I did know that. Noise is that amazing Steak

805
00:39:20,760 --> 00:39:24,040
Speaker 2: and Hike into France. I didn't see that coming period period.

806
00:39:24,320 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 2: I didn't think steak in check would just be a

807
00:39:26,160 --> 00:39:27,000
Speaker 2: thing in France.

808
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, it wasn't until Yan Mahim brought it there.

809
00:39:31,480 --> 00:39:33,520
Speaker 3: I guess he played Late Indiana a while, so they're

810
00:39:33,520 --> 00:39:38,680
Speaker 3: all over the Midwest. The shoes, Yep, Fries, Yashbury.

811
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 1: I think they started. I think they started in Indiana

812
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 1: and Yon Mahimei loved Steak and Shake. I was like,

813
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,919
Speaker 1: I have a business idea. We're bringing Steak and Shake

814
00:39:46,000 --> 00:39:49,120
Speaker 1: to France and opened up four Steak and Shake franchises

815
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:53,439
Speaker 1: in France. Yah Mahimi is the businessman who made that happen.

816
00:39:53,600 --> 00:39:56,880
Speaker 3: Well, I hope somebody who from the NBA goes to

817
00:39:56,960 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 3: one of them when they're in Paris, you know, to

818
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,600
Speaker 3: pay trivia to Yan, because I'm sure they're always talking

819
00:40:01,600 --> 00:40:03,080
Speaker 3: about it. They're like, man, I haven't had a chance

820
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:05,759
Speaker 3: to go to Yan's Shake and Steak and Shake yet,

821
00:40:06,680 --> 00:40:09,040
Speaker 3: But yeah. I mean, I thought point is going to

822
00:40:09,080 --> 00:40:11,080
Speaker 3: be the deepest cut, but many me.

823
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 1: Yeah. So my point is, when you make eighty percent

824
00:40:14,200 --> 00:40:15,880
Speaker 1: of the rookie scale, you can make it back by

825
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:21,720
Speaker 1: opening up your own statement. So Dottier, they knew Dottier

826
00:40:21,880 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 1: did not want to be drafted and stashed. I think

827
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 1: that was something that was kind of kind of out

828
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:28,279
Speaker 1: there in the ether. I didn't know about it till

829
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,680
Speaker 1: after he was drafted, but I learned later that it

830
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: was something that was out there in the ether, like

831
00:40:32,320 --> 00:40:34,320
Speaker 1: he didn't want to be drafted and stashed. And I

832
00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,399
Speaker 1: think part of the reason why he's willing to take

833
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,960
Speaker 1: this money is because this is a team that is

834
00:40:39,400 --> 00:40:41,719
Speaker 1: fine with not stashing him. I don't think he's going

835
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:44,880
Speaker 1: to play any amount of meaningful minutes this year, and

836
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:48,319
Speaker 1: anticipate him spending he's only eighteen years old, very raw.

837
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:51,080
Speaker 1: Anticipate him spending a lot of time in the G League.

838
00:40:51,440 --> 00:40:53,920
Speaker 1: Maybe he'll spend some time with the Knicks, but you know,

839
00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:57,320
Speaker 1: unless it's just because they have an unbelievable amount of

840
00:40:57,360 --> 00:41:00,400
Speaker 1: injuries and he has to play, I don't see him

841
00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,000
Speaker 1: getting any sort of consequential playing time at any point

842
00:41:03,880 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: this season. And so you know, we'll see, we'll see

843
00:41:07,760 --> 00:41:09,800
Speaker 1: exactly how it goes. But I think he's more of

844
00:41:09,840 --> 00:41:10,560
Speaker 1: a long term guy.

845
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I guess because he gets paid. That's all

846
00:41:13,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 2: you get eighty percent, which yet doesn't happen very often

847
00:41:17,040 --> 00:41:20,359
Speaker 2: in the NBA. Speaking of free agents signing, let's get

848
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,640
Speaker 2: to the rest of the league here, Fred, you mentioned

849
00:41:23,719 --> 00:41:28,520
Speaker 2: Caleb Martin signing with the Sixers. Surprising deal, good deal

850
00:41:28,600 --> 00:41:32,240
Speaker 2: for him. There's a ton that have happened. Buddy Healed

851
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:34,799
Speaker 2: going to the Golden State Wars two for twenty one.

852
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: We get the Fronz Monster deal with the Orlando Magic.

853
00:41:39,360 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 2: And this is a curveball here, Fred, So I'll start

854
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,640
Speaker 2: it with Trey if that's okay, because this is not

855
00:41:44,719 --> 00:41:47,680
Speaker 2: a This was not prepared for you to ask you

856
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:51,000
Speaker 2: the top remaining free agent because there's just they ain't

857
00:41:51,040 --> 00:41:53,400
Speaker 2: that many left. So we'll go to Trey first.

858
00:41:53,600 --> 00:41:56,359
Speaker 3: Who is it's mostly deep cuts at this point. Task

859
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:57,800
Speaker 3: like to me, the guy that you could get on

860
00:41:57,840 --> 00:41:59,920
Speaker 3: a veteran's minimum right now, who might help your team

861
00:42:00,040 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 3: the most. Kyle Lowry. I mean, he made a ton

862
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:04,640
Speaker 3: of money last year. It was pretty solid on the

863
00:42:04,680 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 3: seventy six ers. Decent in the playoffs. He ain't gonna

864
00:42:08,320 --> 00:42:11,759
Speaker 3: he ain't gonna be making thirty million dollars this year,

865
00:42:11,960 --> 00:42:13,800
Speaker 3: but he can be helpful for the right team that

866
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:14,520
Speaker 3: needs a point.

867
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,000
Speaker 2: Guard, even the Sixers for nothing minimum.

868
00:42:18,280 --> 00:42:18,560
Speaker 1: Why not.

869
00:42:19,200 --> 00:42:20,799
Speaker 3: I guess the Knicks might be in the mix there

870
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:23,160
Speaker 3: since he's a Villa Nova guy. And then here's four

871
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,480
Speaker 3: other ones that I think can actually play in rotations,

872
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 3: Markel Foltz, Tyas Jones, Luke Canard, and a guy I

873
00:42:30,560 --> 00:42:34,000
Speaker 3: wanted to ask you about Fred Paul Reid. It seemed

874
00:42:34,000 --> 00:42:35,719
Speaker 3: to me that people thought Paul Reid was going to

875
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:40,680
Speaker 3: become the Knicks backup center once the Sixers decided to

876
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:44,520
Speaker 3: release him. He's an energy guy. He's not that much different.

877
00:42:44,640 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 3: I don't think than Precious A. Chewa Is as a player,

878
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:49,560
Speaker 3: but it's Paul Reid somebody who could be a New

879
00:42:49,600 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 3: York Nick.

880
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,239
Speaker 1: I can't. I can't say no. He's a really good

881
00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,280
Speaker 1: offensive rebounder, and they love good offensive rebounders at that position.

882
00:42:58,200 --> 00:42:58,400
Speaker 3: I do.

883
00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 1: He does have probably my favorite jump shooting for him

884
00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 1: in the NBA. It's it's fantastic. It's so upright and

885
00:43:05,480 --> 00:43:07,080
Speaker 1: it kind of looks like a t Rex shooting a

886
00:43:07,160 --> 00:43:12,120
Speaker 1: jump shot. It's so enjoyable. I love it. I will

887
00:43:12,280 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: say I think with that position, they tend to skew defensive.

888
00:43:18,200 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: And while at Chua is not necessarily a rim protector

889
00:43:21,000 --> 00:43:23,160
Speaker 1: because he's like six' eight and he doesn't have that,

890
00:43:23,320 --> 00:43:28,560
Speaker 1: size he is a, solid, reliable switchable guy who can

891
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 1: play the, four play the, five and WHO i Know

892
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:35,200
Speaker 1: tibbs has respect in his defensive. ABILITIES i Think red

893
00:43:35,320 --> 00:43:37,560
Speaker 1: is not the defensive player That achua. Is he's a

894
00:43:37,600 --> 00:43:41,000
Speaker 1: better offensive. Player he's a better offensive. Rebounder A chua

895
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: is a solid offensive. Rebounder just the numbers don't put

896
00:43:44,320 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: him on the same level As. Reid SO i think

897
00:43:46,200 --> 00:43:49,640
Speaker 1: it will probably depend more on number, one. Familiarity how

898
00:43:49,719 --> 00:43:51,640
Speaker 1: much do The knicks put how much stock do The

899
00:43:51,719 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: nicks put into the fact that they already know precious To,

900
00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:56,719
Speaker 1: chua that they already like press, youa they know he

901
00:43:56,800 --> 00:43:58,960
Speaker 1: fits into their locker, room and all that other. Stuff

902
00:43:59,280 --> 00:44:00,919
Speaker 1: and then it's also going to come down to which

903
00:44:00,960 --> 00:44:04,080
Speaker 1: style do they, Prefer because whichever one you, PREFER i

904
00:44:04,120 --> 00:44:05,759
Speaker 1: think you can make the argument that one guy is

905
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:08,680
Speaker 1: better than the other or vice. Versa LIKE i THINK

906
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 1: i think it probably just depends on what you prefer

907
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 1: in a, player you, know, Right.

908
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:18,800
Speaker 2: Yeah there's some some tiny names that have. Signed just

909
00:44:18,840 --> 00:44:21,320
Speaker 2: to go through the ones that have actually been, Signed

910
00:44:22,520 --> 00:44:26,279
Speaker 2: dario sarz is going to Be jokicic's backup essentially In,

911
00:44:26,480 --> 00:44:29,799
Speaker 2: denver a two, year ten point six million dollar deal

912
00:44:29,880 --> 00:44:33,680
Speaker 2: with The Denver. NUGGETS. Pj, dozer a Former Denver, nugget

913
00:44:33,840 --> 00:44:37,200
Speaker 2: is signing with The Minnesota. Timberwolves got that relationship With Tim.

914
00:44:37,280 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 2: Connelly speaking of The Minnesota, timbolves they Signed Joe ingles

915
00:44:40,920 --> 00:44:43,480
Speaker 2: kind of to Replace Kyle anderson as you or make

916
00:44:43,560 --> 00:44:46,879
Speaker 2: everything happen type of guy off the. Bench also very,

917
00:44:46,960 --> 00:44:51,200
Speaker 2: slow also very. Old, Yeah Kyle anerton and. Old he's

918
00:44:51,280 --> 00:44:53,560
Speaker 2: just angles is just. Old gets you the three a

919
00:44:53,600 --> 00:44:55,799
Speaker 2: little bit better Than Kyla anderson and he was really

920
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:59,320
Speaker 2: good last. Year but that's an interesting signing for The

921
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:02,800
Speaker 2: wolves to fill out the bench there a little. Bit but,

922
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:07,120
Speaker 2: yeah guys are guys are being. Signed Alec, brooks your

923
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,160
Speaker 2: nixt man last, year signed with The Miami heat as.

924
00:45:10,200 --> 00:45:13,880
Speaker 2: Well heat. CULTURE i guess does he have heat? Culture

925
00:45:14,440 --> 00:45:17,000
Speaker 2: here's here's a. Question so far for The. HEAT i

926
00:45:17,040 --> 00:45:20,720
Speaker 2: don't think, no, No but can he provide heat, Culture,

927
00:45:20,800 --> 00:45:23,600
Speaker 2: fred what do you THINK i think he'll.

928
00:45:23,520 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: Fit with the heat. CULTURE i don't think the heat

929
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: culture is very different from THE TIBs. Culture and he's

930
00:45:27,520 --> 00:45:29,759
Speaker 1: a two he's a he's a two time TIBs. Are

931
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: SO i think he'll be just, fine good, point very.

932
00:45:33,520 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 3: Good that'd be a great list of players two Times.

933
00:45:36,480 --> 00:45:41,040
Speaker 3: TIBs i Mean butler is on there To jason is

934
00:45:41,080 --> 00:45:41,640
Speaker 3: on there.

935
00:45:41,960 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 2: Forever more like six times A Rose Derrick.

936
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,920
Speaker 3: Rose three time TIBs are he is?

937
00:45:49,040 --> 00:45:50,839
Speaker 1: Right you know who else is a three TIMES Todj

938
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:54,160
Speaker 1: gibson is Is. Todge gibson's technically like a four TIME.

939
00:45:54,239 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: TIPS i don't know how you count the The, Stinston New. York,

940
00:45:58,320 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 1: yeah he could argue he is a four time. TIBs

941
00:46:00,320 --> 00:46:02,640
Speaker 1: Ryan Arshi diacono's a three time TIMSER i think.

942
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:07,000
Speaker 3: Big time great SATs one guy who's not a no

943
00:46:07,160 --> 00:46:09,239
Speaker 3: time tims There BUT i saw you mentioned this on a.

944
00:46:09,280 --> 00:46:12,960
Speaker 3: Podcast it's true That Luke cornett intentionally wanted to be

945
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:17,279
Speaker 3: the first free agent signed this. Summer that is WHAT

946
00:46:17,400 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 3: i was.

947
00:46:17,640 --> 00:46:22,520
Speaker 1: TOLD i was told that because, look it doesn't make

948
00:46:22,520 --> 00:46:26,400
Speaker 1: any sense. Otherwise, no SO i because he can. Negotiate

949
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 1: the rules have. Change you can negotiate with your own

950
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:31,279
Speaker 1: team as soon as the finals are. Over so it

951
00:46:31,360 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: doesn't make any sense that a guy resigning with his

952
00:46:33,520 --> 00:46:35,640
Speaker 1: own team would be the first deal exactly at six.

953
00:46:35,680 --> 00:46:38,279
Speaker 1: O'clock SO i was, like what the hell happened? Here

954
00:46:38,280 --> 00:46:40,239
Speaker 1: AND i Know Luke cornette has a reputation for being

955
00:46:40,280 --> 00:46:43,799
Speaker 1: a funny. Guy, yeah and a person was, like, YEAH

956
00:46:43,800 --> 00:46:45,400
Speaker 1: i thought it would be funny if he was the

957
00:46:46,080 --> 00:46:48,760
Speaker 1: first deal right at free, Agency so he's.

958
00:46:48,719 --> 00:46:49,040
Speaker 3: RIGHT i.

959
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:54,080
Speaker 1: THINK I, LOOK i didn't exactly go a pursue that

960
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 1: story with the same amount of journalistic vigor AS i

961
00:46:58,080 --> 00:47:00,920
Speaker 1: might a trade and get various sources all the way

962
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:04,239
Speaker 1: at the. Top, HOWEVER i want to believe that's. TRUE

963
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,239
Speaker 1: i was told it was, true AND i Think i'm

964
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:08,560
Speaker 1: just going to believe it's. True it's.

965
00:47:08,600 --> 00:47:10,520
Speaker 3: True to, me it should become a, thing like somebody

966
00:47:10,560 --> 00:47:12,840
Speaker 3: should every year want to be the first, One Like

967
00:47:12,920 --> 00:47:15,319
Speaker 3: Jimmy butler is the only guy who shows up at

968
00:47:15,880 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 3: media days right now in. Costume BUT i can see

969
00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 3: that catching. ON i think this is kind of, similar

970
00:47:20,440 --> 00:47:23,279
Speaker 3: like who's going to be the first announced? Signing who

971
00:47:23,400 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 3: is going to put their team just a little bit

972
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 3: at risk of being busted for. Tampering thank you To

973
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:31,920
Speaker 3: Luke cornett for the first. Step that guy's very. Funny

974
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 3: the next thing you got to get to the bottom Of, fred,

975
00:47:34,239 --> 00:47:36,560
Speaker 3: though is who did That knicks fart in the? Playoffs

976
00:47:36,640 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: because we're getting, tiny tiny pieces of the story here

977
00:47:40,719 --> 00:47:42,959
Speaker 3: and now it's just people coming out and saying it wasn't,

978
00:47:43,080 --> 00:47:45,799
Speaker 3: Me it wasn't, me it wasn't. Me you think you'll

979
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:47,560
Speaker 3: ever get to the literal bottom of that?

980
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,480
Speaker 1: One, OH i know who it. Was, OH i know

981
00:47:51,600 --> 00:47:53,799
Speaker 1: exactly who it. Was i've just elected not to share

982
00:47:54,760 --> 00:47:57,960
Speaker 1: Because i'm because While i'm a, Reporter i'm not a. Snitch.

983
00:47:58,280 --> 00:48:00,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah that's, true so.

984
00:48:00,200 --> 00:48:02,080
Speaker 3: True nobody wants to be told on the.

985
00:48:02,200 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: News the news is the. Fart that's the. News that's

986
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,719
Speaker 1: that's the responsible thing THAT i have to put out.

987
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:11,239
Speaker 1: There the newsworthiness is not who did?

988
00:48:11,280 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: IT i don't have to say to. You moving on

989
00:48:16,360 --> 00:48:19,040
Speaker 2: to a place Where i'm sure there are plenty of

990
00:48:19,160 --> 00:48:22,360
Speaker 2: farts that will happen in Late july and Early, august

991
00:48:22,440 --> 00:48:24,479
Speaker 2: because that's the home of steak and. Shake It's, france

992
00:48:24,520 --> 00:48:29,359
Speaker 2: where The olympics will. Happen it's got to it's got

993
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,560
Speaker 2: to steak and. CHICK i WHEN i see those, DOORS

994
00:48:32,640 --> 00:48:35,320
Speaker 2: i don't walk in BECAUSE i THINK i don't want to.

995
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:38,719
Speaker 2: FART i just don't want to be clogged up by

996
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:42,040
Speaker 2: steak and. Chick but onto The. Olympics here we know

997
00:48:42,120 --> 00:48:44,880
Speaker 2: the final four teams playing at The Men's Olympic. Tournament

998
00:48:44,920 --> 00:48:47,840
Speaker 2: they happened just this past weekend in four different. Tournaments

999
00:48:48,000 --> 00:48:52,080
Speaker 2: so JOINING, Us, Canada, France, Serbia, Germany, Australia, japan And South.

1000
00:48:52,120 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 2: Sudan as we already knew Are, Greece Yah, Sudah, Yanni,

1001
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:03,440
Speaker 2: Brazil spain And Puerto rico in four very fun. Games,

1002
00:49:03,760 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 2: Actually i'd love to take you through all of them

1003
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,920
Speaker 2: if you, want but first let's hear any random comments

1004
00:49:09,960 --> 00:49:13,440
Speaker 2: about those four teams joining The olympics.

1005
00:49:14,160 --> 00:49:16,200
Speaker 3: Tray the two things that stood out to me Were

1006
00:49:16,360 --> 00:49:19,919
Speaker 3: yannis's reaction to going to The olympics for the very first.

1007
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:23,799
Speaker 3: Time that was very cool to. See he looks awesome right,

1008
00:49:23,880 --> 00:49:26,640
Speaker 3: Now this guy is. Dominating we know that he was

1009
00:49:26,680 --> 00:49:29,160
Speaker 3: out of the playoffs for The, bucks SO i guess

1010
00:49:29,200 --> 00:49:30,879
Speaker 3: he got a little bit of rest time not going

1011
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,320
Speaker 3: as deep into the. Postseason it could be A yannis

1012
00:49:34,400 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: revenge season coming next. Year AND i thought that was very.

1013
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:39,799
Speaker 3: Cool and Then Jose, alvarado very similar to the way

1014
00:49:39,880 --> 00:49:44,000
Speaker 3: he was Celebrating Puerto rico's upset Of, lithuania had his

1015
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 3: daughters out. There then they presented him with THE mvp.

1016
00:49:46,640 --> 00:49:50,719
Speaker 3: Trophy they're all dancing and going. Crazy those are two great.

1017
00:49:50,800 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 3: Moments and, YEAH i, MEAN i think it's. COOL i,

1018
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:55,440
Speaker 3: mean we were going to get a great player out

1019
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:57,440
Speaker 3: of The grease, region, right it could have Been, luca

1020
00:49:57,920 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 3: But yannis bounced. Them but anytime you're getting MVPs to

1021
00:50:00,840 --> 00:50:01,640
Speaker 3: play in The, olympics.

1022
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:05,439
Speaker 2: Awesome, yeah this will Be janis's First. Olympics the last

1023
00:50:05,440 --> 00:50:08,600
Speaker 2: Time greece played basketball in, One janis was just thirteen

1024
00:50:08,719 --> 00:50:11,160
Speaker 2: years old back in two thousand and. Eight So yannis was.

1025
00:50:11,239 --> 00:50:14,319
Speaker 2: Crying then they took a great photo with their family as.

1026
00:50:14,400 --> 00:50:18,960
Speaker 2: Well greece Joins, Australia canada And spain In Group ay

1027
00:50:19,440 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 2: At paris in twenty twenty. Four other little, Notes brazil

1028
00:50:24,360 --> 00:50:28,000
Speaker 2: Over latvia In latvia was big for. Them that was

1029
00:50:28,000 --> 00:50:31,360
Speaker 2: the only win to happen on the road in the

1030
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:37,839
Speaker 2: team's tournament country And Bruno koboclo hit a monstrous shot

1031
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:39,840
Speaker 2: at the end of a first, quarter gribed a, rebound

1032
00:50:39,880 --> 00:50:42,320
Speaker 2: and then from his own three point line was able

1033
00:50:42,560 --> 00:50:46,200
Speaker 2: to hit a contested three and his team just celebrated

1034
00:50:46,320 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 2: like crazy for that. Guy that's pretty cool to see.

1035
00:50:48,680 --> 00:50:51,960
Speaker 2: It old Guy Marcelo juerts being played in The olympics For.

1036
00:50:52,080 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 2: Brazil guisantos Hel netto will be On brazil as they

1037
00:50:56,200 --> 00:50:59,160
Speaker 2: join excuse, Me, Japan germany And france In GROUP. B

1038
00:50:59,719 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 2: and then and as you, Said Jose, alvarado who was.

1039
00:51:02,120 --> 00:51:04,800
Speaker 2: Awesome he had twenty three points and six rebounds to

1040
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,400
Speaker 2: finish Off. Lithuania he also had twenty nine earlier in this,

1041
00:51:09,120 --> 00:51:12,160
Speaker 2: tournament and he was doing his. DANCING i, Mean Jose,

1042
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:15,360
Speaker 2: Alvarado he's got a little bit of The Evan fournier

1043
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,279
Speaker 2: turns into an all star type of player here in

1044
00:51:18,360 --> 00:51:20,399
Speaker 2: these types of. Tournaments So Puerto rico will be there

1045
00:51:20,680 --> 00:51:25,360
Speaker 2: in the US's, group along With serbia And South. Sudan

1046
00:51:26,160 --> 00:51:28,920
Speaker 2: SO i just wanted to get a little bit of

1047
00:51:29,520 --> 00:51:34,640
Speaker 2: background on THE us national team as they undergo, there get.

1048
00:51:34,680 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 2: Together it's happening right now In Las. Vegas they're getting

1049
00:51:37,920 --> 00:51:42,759
Speaker 2: ready for the. TOURNAMENT i just wanted to hear who

1050
00:51:42,840 --> 00:51:44,719
Speaker 2: you think is starting for this. TEAM i, mean they're

1051
00:51:44,800 --> 00:51:45,399
Speaker 2: just so damn.

1052
00:51:45,440 --> 00:51:46,920
Speaker 3: Good it seems pretty.

1053
00:51:46,920 --> 00:51:50,360
Speaker 2: Loaded oh my, God, yeah they're benches. Loaded it's. Nixy

1054
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,919
Speaker 2: it's not quite, nixy BUT i mean it's. Amazing they've

1055
00:51:53,960 --> 00:51:55,880
Speaker 2: got so many MVPs on that, team.

1056
00:51:56,120 --> 00:51:58,040
Speaker 3: Say looking a lot like The knicks right. NOW i

1057
00:51:58,080 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 3: don't Think i've ever heard it by saying, That i'm

1058
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:03,160
Speaker 3: doing all Of TEAM usa trying to spin a ball

1059
00:52:03,520 --> 00:52:05,920
Speaker 3: on their, finger you, Know harlem glow trotter. STYLE i

1060
00:52:06,000 --> 00:52:09,200
Speaker 3: can't Believe Steph curry can't spin the ball at his. Finger.

1061
00:52:09,320 --> 00:52:11,480
Speaker 3: Interesting he's literally LIKE i can do a lot with a,

1062
00:52:11,560 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 3: basketball BUT i can't do, that all, right Meet. LOAF

1063
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 3: i Think steph, starts, though you know his coach is the,

1064
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,319
Speaker 3: Coach SO i Think steph is locked. In and THEN

1065
00:52:22,360 --> 00:52:25,919
Speaker 3: i THINK kd And lebron are locked in as. Well,

1066
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:28,319
Speaker 3: KATIE i guess is suffering through a calf injury right.

1067
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,680
Speaker 3: Now doesn't seem to be very, serious more of a

1068
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 3: precautionary measure for. Him but he's The TEAM usa all

1069
00:52:34,760 --> 00:52:37,120
Speaker 3: time leading. SCORER i think he'll. Start lebron he's a.

1070
00:52:37,200 --> 00:52:39,960
Speaker 3: LEGEND i think he will. Start so the two questions are, like,

1071
00:52:40,040 --> 00:52:43,239
Speaker 3: basically who starts at the? Two Anthony edwards was going

1072
00:52:43,280 --> 00:52:46,520
Speaker 3: around At Minnie camp saying he's the number one option

1073
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:48,760
Speaker 3: even though he's playing with all These hall of, Famers

1074
00:52:49,080 --> 00:52:51,640
Speaker 3: and then so the question there would Be Drew, Holliday

1075
00:52:52,080 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 3: edwards Or. Booker and then at, CENTER i think it'll Be.

1076
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,800
Speaker 3: Embiid they went underwent the entire recruiting, process BUT i

1077
00:52:58,920 --> 00:53:01,359
Speaker 3: suppose it's Possible Anthony davis is the guy who gets

1078
00:53:01,400 --> 00:53:03,240
Speaker 3: the start at. CENTER i think it'll Be embeied.

1079
00:53:03,280 --> 00:53:04,880
Speaker 2: Though another curve ball for.

1080
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:05,040
Speaker 3: You.

1081
00:53:05,160 --> 00:53:09,759
Speaker 2: Fred any thoughts here on the TEAM Usa Slash olympics

1082
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:11,080
Speaker 2: that we will be seeing this, Month.

1083
00:53:11,680 --> 00:53:13,359
Speaker 1: YEAH i, MEAN i don't know if this is what's

1084
00:53:13,440 --> 00:53:16,399
Speaker 1: actually going to. HAPPEN i feel like it'll Be edwards

1085
00:53:16,520 --> 00:53:19,200
Speaker 1: Or booker at the, two BUT i would be paying

1086
00:53:19,400 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: serious consideration to Starting Drew, holliday like he is going

1087
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,520
Speaker 1: to give you so much more help defensively that you're

1088
00:53:26,560 --> 00:53:29,560
Speaker 1: not necessarily going to get next To steph And edwards

1089
00:53:29,600 --> 00:53:33,040
Speaker 1: can really, guard And booker can really, shoot and he

1090
00:53:33,200 --> 00:53:35,680
Speaker 1: might give you that extra off ball shooting that would.

1091
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:39,439
Speaker 1: Help BUT i just think Man holiday just being able

1092
00:53:39,520 --> 00:53:41,279
Speaker 1: to basically play the role that he played for The

1093
00:53:41,320 --> 00:53:44,480
Speaker 1: celtics and just be able to guard legitimately everybody and

1094
00:53:45,040 --> 00:53:48,800
Speaker 1: switch on to anyone and maintain that really physical style

1095
00:53:48,920 --> 00:53:52,000
Speaker 1: that's played internationally like, that that would be hard for

1096
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,040
Speaker 1: me to turn away, from even Though i'm not totally

1097
00:53:54,080 --> 00:53:55,200
Speaker 1: convinced that's what they'll end up.

1098
00:53:55,239 --> 00:53:58,960
Speaker 2: Doing right it feels like somebody's not going to play.

1099
00:53:59,040 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 2: Minutes and when you have have this many MVPs in

1100
00:54:01,840 --> 00:54:05,080
Speaker 2: this many incredible, PLAYERS i guess it could be someone

1101
00:54:05,200 --> 00:54:07,759
Speaker 2: Like drew Or Devin. Booker it's hard to, say really

1102
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:12,680
Speaker 2: with all these former MVPs playing extremely well right. Now

1103
00:54:13,280 --> 00:54:16,000
Speaker 2: Jason tatum also not with the team because of personal,

1104
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:19,680
Speaker 2: reasons along With Kevin durant who's dealing with an ankle.

1105
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,279
Speaker 2: Injury but, yeah totally should be totally. Fine so then

1106
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,680
Speaker 2: there's ten players right, there right, there right, Now AND

1107
00:54:25,800 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 2: i just see these lineups of Lebron Tyrese, Haliburn Anthony,

1108
00:54:30,239 --> 00:54:35,280
Speaker 2: davis Bam, adebayo And Anthony edwards Against Steph, Embiid, Leonard Devin,

1109
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:39,320
Speaker 2: booker And Drew. Holliday it's just. Amazing it was a

1110
00:54:39,360 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 2: really good. Team good. Teams cowhi was hitting. Threes kawi

1111
00:54:42,160 --> 00:54:46,000
Speaker 2: apparently hit four threes in his. Scrimmage that's good, too

1112
00:54:46,120 --> 00:54:46,560
Speaker 2: and a full.

1113
00:54:46,600 --> 00:54:48,480
Speaker 3: Participant, yes, everything that's a good.

1114
00:54:48,520 --> 00:54:49,120
Speaker 2: Point it's good as.

1115
00:54:49,120 --> 00:54:51,759
Speaker 3: Well how are you feeling about The canada Draw GROUP?

1116
00:54:51,800 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 3: A it looks like a tough One, Canada, Spain.

1117
00:54:54,000 --> 00:54:59,759
Speaker 2: Greece, australia But Canada's. CANADA i think they should be

1118
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:03,360
Speaker 2: the favorites as as as strong as a term that

1119
00:55:03,680 --> 00:55:09,000
Speaker 2: is Considering canada in An olympic. TOURNAMENT i think they

1120
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:14,560
Speaker 2: should be the. Favorites greece looked really really good in

1121
00:55:14,640 --> 00:55:17,640
Speaker 2: the way they Beat croatia And, slovenia that's for. SURE

1122
00:55:19,160 --> 00:55:22,000
Speaker 2: i Think canna should feel like they're stronger Than australia

1123
00:55:22,040 --> 00:55:25,160
Speaker 2: And spain and just feel like that's gonna be a

1124
00:55:25,320 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 2: very very very good Game canadon And. Greece i'm not

1125
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:32,520
Speaker 2: just saying that because they're my two. Nationalities i'm just saying, that's,

1126
00:55:32,640 --> 00:55:35,879
Speaker 2: uh that's gonna be. Fun so, YEAH i Think canna

1127
00:55:35,920 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 2: should walk in with a lot of a lot of

1128
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:42,440
Speaker 2: confidence in that. One it'll be a fun. Tournament before we,

1129
00:55:42,560 --> 00:55:45,560
Speaker 2: go we got a little tweeted to night.

1130
00:55:47,880 --> 00:55:48,879
Speaker 1: Tweet o the. Night.

1131
00:55:49,680 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 3: Wow the tweet of the night comes to us from

1132
00:55:56,239 --> 00:55:59,320
Speaker 3: the rock and roll Duo TENACIOUS, D Jack black And.

1133
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:05,000
Speaker 3: Kyle they Presented Drew holliday with His TENACIOUS D Mvp.

1134
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,560
Speaker 3: Award WHAT i think they said it was the second

1135
00:56:08,640 --> 00:56:10,719
Speaker 3: time they've ever given this. Award but it looks Like

1136
00:56:10,800 --> 00:56:14,040
Speaker 3: Drew holliday is in one of these guys. Houses he

1137
00:56:14,280 --> 00:56:19,160
Speaker 3: is much taller than both of, them And kyle And

1138
00:56:19,400 --> 00:56:23,560
Speaker 3: jack gave him a trophy that looks like a penis

1139
00:56:23,600 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 3: and balls. TASK i don't know if you notice that

1140
00:56:28,200 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 3: that's The TENACIOUS D.

1141
00:56:29,880 --> 00:56:33,040
Speaker 2: Award, YES i didn't notice.

1142
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:34,680
Speaker 3: That would you probably display that in your?

1143
00:56:34,719 --> 00:56:35,000
Speaker 1: Home of?

1144
00:56:35,080 --> 00:56:37,400
Speaker 3: Course where would you put? That if it was in your, home, Friend.

1145
00:56:39,239 --> 00:56:41,840
Speaker 1: Right on the, mantle right on the, mantle right on the, mantle.

1146
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:45,120
Speaker 1: EASILY I i don't even have a. Mantle WOULD i

1147
00:56:45,160 --> 00:56:47,840
Speaker 1: would actually renovate the home to a man to put it.

1148
00:56:47,920 --> 00:56:50,840
Speaker 1: ON i, Mean Drew holliday is so dryly saying that

1149
00:56:50,920 --> 00:56:53,279
Speaker 1: he loves the trophy and then just just saying with

1150
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: absolutely no smile at, all and look how long that shaft.

1151
00:56:56,560 --> 00:56:57,440
Speaker 3: Is is.

1152
00:56:59,520 --> 00:57:03,799
Speaker 1: Is in. Credible it's JUST i have watched that video

1153
00:57:03,920 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: five times. Now it is so. Funny him commenting on

1154
00:57:07,840 --> 00:57:11,000
Speaker 1: how long the shaft is and how bronzy the balls

1155
00:57:11,040 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 1: are is so. Bronzie is just its phenomenal. Stuff well, Done,

1156
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:18,240
Speaker 1: well we want gold.

1157
00:57:18,360 --> 00:57:21,480
Speaker 3: Balls after The, Olympics Drew holliday and the stream team

1158
00:57:21,560 --> 00:57:23,600
Speaker 3: is saying here that apparently it Was drew's. House he

1159
00:57:23,680 --> 00:57:25,560
Speaker 3: just invited those guys over to give him an. Award,

1160
00:57:25,720 --> 00:57:28,240
Speaker 3: yeah la is. Weird huh pretty weird.

1161
00:57:28,280 --> 00:57:28,480
Speaker 1: Play.

1162
00:57:28,880 --> 00:57:31,040
Speaker 2: YEAH i thought that was spectacular that he was talking to,

1163
00:57:31,160 --> 00:57:33,680
Speaker 2: them that he was talking to a D and then

1164
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:36,920
Speaker 2: it went to a whole other level As fred just

1165
00:57:37,040 --> 00:57:41,720
Speaker 2: explained everything that he described in his. Home last question for, You,

1166
00:57:41,880 --> 00:57:44,640
Speaker 2: fred since you talked about the mantle being built in your,

1167
00:57:44,640 --> 00:57:52,880
Speaker 2: home is your home in Sty? Vesant you brought out the.

1168
00:57:52,920 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 2: PONDS i FIGURED i, SHOULD i should bring it, back

1169
00:57:56,760 --> 00:58:00,200
Speaker 2: and that's just let's just wrap it. Up i'm not

1170
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:02,120
Speaker 2: forcing you to tell us where your home is by any,

1171
00:58:02,160 --> 00:58:03,040
Speaker 2: means tell us your.

1172
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:10,400
Speaker 1: ADDRESS i THINK i Think i'm gonna stymy that question

1173
00:58:11,000 --> 00:58:11,800
Speaker 1: before telling you my.

1174
00:58:11,920 --> 00:58:17,000
Speaker 2: Address stymied great puns here. Today thank you very much

1175
00:58:17,040 --> 00:58:17,600
Speaker 2: for joining.

1176
00:58:17,680 --> 00:58:17,760
Speaker 3: Us.

1177
00:58:17,800 --> 00:58:19,520
Speaker 2: FRED i don't know if you're going to be In

1178
00:58:19,640 --> 00:58:22,280
Speaker 2: vegas this, weekend but we'll be doing a live. Show

1179
00:58:23,120 --> 00:58:24,640
Speaker 2: i'm not forcingate you to be on the, show but

1180
00:58:24,800 --> 00:58:27,360
Speaker 2: just AN, fyi we were going to be doing one On.

1181
00:58:27,640 --> 00:58:30,840
Speaker 2: Friday join us if you're around at the level UP

1182
00:58:31,320 --> 00:58:35,480
Speaker 2: mgm Grand So i'm going to turn into a podcast

1183
00:58:35,560 --> 00:58:39,360
Speaker 2: afterward as, well And maddio will be joining, us that's for.

1184
00:58:39,480 --> 00:58:41,080
Speaker 3: Sure what's your favorite thing to do In?

1185
00:58:41,240 --> 00:58:41,560
Speaker 2: Vegas?

1186
00:58:41,640 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 1: Fred argue with you About Harry. Potter there we.

1187
00:58:45,600 --> 00:58:49,440
Speaker 3: Go i'm gonna have to brainstorm a new podcast over the.

1188
00:58:49,520 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 3: SUMMER i was actually an another dumb QUESTION i was

1189
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 3: going to ask. You we just had a bunch of you,

1190
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 3: know festivities With july fourth last. Week what goes into

1191
00:58:58,920 --> 00:59:03,120
Speaker 3: the perfect fruit? SALAD i feel like you see one

1192
00:59:03,120 --> 00:59:04,120
Speaker 3: at a barbecue every now and.

1193
00:59:04,200 --> 00:59:06,800
Speaker 1: Then, well it can't be anything too watery or that

1194
00:59:06,920 --> 00:59:09,920
Speaker 1: becomes too, soggy and it can't be too much melon

1195
00:59:10,000 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 1: because then you look. Cheap SO i think you're gonna

1196
00:59:12,280 --> 00:59:14,520
Speaker 1: need some a mix of at least two berries in,

1197
00:59:14,640 --> 00:59:17,840
Speaker 1: there preferably ones that don't get, crushed a couple of,

1198
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:20,520
Speaker 1: melons and then you're gonna have to throw a pineapple in.

1199
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: There you're gonna have to throw a mango in there

1200
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:24,919
Speaker 1: for some, tropicality and then maybe you throw in one

1201
00:59:25,080 --> 00:59:27,080
Speaker 1: extra type of fruit in order to slice things.

1202
00:59:27,160 --> 00:59:32,800
Speaker 3: Up just one, extra one extra dealer's, choice my, friend

1203
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:36,200
Speaker 3: better not be a mandarin. Orange those are weird to

1204
00:59:36,240 --> 00:59:38,520
Speaker 3: me when they're in, there so, floppy.

1205
00:59:39,720 --> 00:59:41,400
Speaker 1: Very, floppy and not the right.

1206
00:59:41,480 --> 00:59:43,080
Speaker 2: Taste that's, great it's not.

1207
00:59:43,160 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: Worthwhile that was.

1208
00:59:44,280 --> 00:59:47,320
Speaker 2: Wonderful how many fruit you actually threw into the fruit.

1209
00:59:47,400 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: Salad that was very nice of. You, yeah, well at

1210
00:59:51,080 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 2: first you go, ahead you need, diversity you need, diversity,

1211
00:59:55,160 --> 00:59:57,800
Speaker 2: Right BUT i thought you said melon wasn't going to

1212
00:59:57,840 --> 00:59:59,160
Speaker 2: be in there because you look too, cheap and then

1213
00:59:59,160 --> 00:59:59,600
Speaker 2: you threw it in.

1214
00:59:59,680 --> 01:00:02,520
Speaker 1: There you don't want to overdo it with the. Melon

1215
01:00:02,640 --> 01:00:07,400
Speaker 1: you don't want a honeydew into cancelope and a watermelon that's.

1216
01:00:07,480 --> 01:00:11,680
Speaker 1: Overdone you see all these pre put together fruit salads

1217
01:00:12,040 --> 01:00:15,280
Speaker 1: at the grocery store or, whatever and it's a, base

1218
01:00:15,840 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 1: it's like a rice, bowl but the rice is, honeydew, cantilope,

1219
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:23,320
Speaker 1: watermelon and then they put like four berries on the

1220
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:27,240
Speaker 1: top and like one little tiny slice of pineapple and

1221
01:00:27,600 --> 01:00:30,040
Speaker 1: then you look into it and it's just, melon and

1222
01:00:30,080 --> 01:00:33,160
Speaker 1: they're tricking. You they're deceitful with their, fruit and you

1223
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:36,240
Speaker 1: don't want to be someone who is deceitful with their

1224
01:00:36,320 --> 01:00:39,480
Speaker 1: fruit lest you lose all of your fruit related. Credibility

1225
01:00:40,760 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: it's a.

1226
01:00:41,120 --> 01:00:47,760
Speaker 3: Risk not all. Melon we want one, melon two, berries dealer's, choice.

1227
01:00:48,280 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 3: Tropicality this is how you build a. Team fred is like.

1228
01:00:52,040 --> 01:00:55,920
Speaker 2: The New York knicks, depth depth of.

1229
01:00:56,040 --> 01:00:57,400
Speaker 3: Fruit i'm like.

1230
01:00:57,400 --> 01:00:59,880
Speaker 1: The TENACIOUS d. Trophy there's a lot of depth.

1231
01:01:05,120 --> 01:01:08,040
Speaker 2: And full of credibility as, well so you can find

1232
01:01:08,120 --> 01:01:14,720
Speaker 2: his stuff. Credibility it's on the athletic and, obviously as

1233
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 2: we mentioned off the, top he pods as well in

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01:01:17,680 --> 01:01:19,720
Speaker 2: a couple of different. Places, fred thank you so much

1235
01:01:20,200 --> 01:01:22,760
Speaker 2: for joining. Us always thrilled to come on with you,

1236
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:25,520
Speaker 2: guys and as usual we got to do a clip of.

1237
01:01:25,560 --> 01:01:26,800
Speaker 2: Bros you heard it here.

1238
01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:30,560
Speaker 1: First have a great, time turn, up love you guys, awesome.

1239
01:01:30,520 --> 01:01:33,440
Speaker 3: Thanks for joining. Us and remember steak and shake In

1240
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:36,080
Speaker 3: french steak at, shake.

1241
01:01:37,880 --> 01:01:38,840
Speaker 1: Just steaks at.

1242
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:42,680
Speaker 2: Shake WELL i think it's pronounced a shake e t

1243
01:01:42,960 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 2: pronounced steak a. Shake, yeah that's, right all, Right embraced

1244
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: a people