WEBVTT - Jack Conte - On Founding Patreon, Focusing on the Art, and Monetizing Your Work 

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to Behind the Influence, a production of I Heart

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<v Speaker 1>Radio and t DC Media. Having spent ten grand on

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<v Speaker 1>this thing that's going to reach a million people. It's

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<v Speaker 1>not like I'm a starming artist and I'm like, I

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<v Speaker 1>can't find an audience. Like I found my crew on

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<v Speaker 1>the people who like what I have to say, and

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<v Speaker 1>I put that on the web and then I get

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<v Speaker 1>a millions. I've reached a million people around the world

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<v Speaker 1>and I get paid a hundred and fifty bucks. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>what the fun kind of system if we built? It's bullshit,

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<v Speaker 1>That's not what. That's not why you're valuable in the

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<v Speaker 1>world because you make T shirts. You're valuable because you

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<v Speaker 1>tell stories that people love that resonate with your fans.

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<v Speaker 1>If you have ten thou people who listen to your show,

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<v Speaker 1>that's a basketball stadium full of humans who love what

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<v Speaker 1>you have to say. Like, in what world should that

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<v Speaker 1>not be enough to make a living? Jack Conti's in

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<v Speaker 1>the house. Hello, you are so in the house finally, Right, Wait,

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit of a snaffo this afternoon, and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>totally fine to talk about it. But you know it's cool,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a holiday. We just show up. I are we

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<v Speaker 1>got in despite the fact that there's nobody else in

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<v Speaker 1>this building, but somehow we've got in. Forty one minutes

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<v Speaker 1>and fifteen seconds later. Jack is already one of my

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<v Speaker 1>favorite people on Earth because when this snaphoo occurred, he

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<v Speaker 1>was like, I'm cool, I'm chill, and he actually was,

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<v Speaker 1>and you were like, the happiest kill this person ever happen.

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<v Speaker 1>I just repeated it so clearly, which ship happens? You

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<v Speaker 1>see what I did? Drop dropped an f on. So

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<v Speaker 1>Jack Conte has started a small platform called Patreon. We

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<v Speaker 1>all know it. We all want to be on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Not all of us are cool enough to be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>just kidding, we all are, but it's the reason so

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<v Speaker 1>many creators are able to create. And you are such

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<v Speaker 1>an inspiration because I was telling Jack this before the interview.

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<v Speaker 1>As you guys know, behind the influence is all about

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<v Speaker 1>people who are literally behind the influence, the people who

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<v Speaker 1>create the platforms that allow social media influencers to be

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<v Speaker 1>social medi The influencers are creators, and Jack also happens

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<v Speaker 1>to be very musically talented and has a creator passed

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<v Speaker 1>and present. So you fall on two sides of the coin.

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<v Speaker 1>How does that like how do you even balance the two?

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<v Speaker 1>It's really hard. The first five years of the company,

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<v Speaker 1>I didn't nail it. So actually that was a real

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<v Speaker 1>struggle for me. And actually it was probably a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of there was some darkness there for me trying

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<v Speaker 1>to figure out how to balance it because I felt like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh God, I'm giving up my creative career and I

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<v Speaker 1>love being a creator, and so it was really hard

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<v Speaker 1>because you know, I was becoming like a you know,

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<v Speaker 1>an operator and building a company and I actually kind

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<v Speaker 1>of had to stop creating for a couple of years.

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<v Speaker 1>So that was that was pretty rough. But then in

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<v Speaker 1>the last three years, I've really found a way to

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<v Speaker 1>to still be prolific and make things. I fly down

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<v Speaker 1>to l a once a month now and I do

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<v Speaker 1>four music videos with one band, four with another band,

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<v Speaker 1>and then we you know, I'm at this point now

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<v Speaker 1>I'm releasing eight music videos a month. So that's a lot.

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<v Speaker 1>How do you find the time and you're the founder

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<v Speaker 1>of a massive, massive platform that you're very much involved in.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not like you've just stepped aside. Now that's super successful. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean I'm I'm there, you know, of course, every

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<v Speaker 1>single day and I'm working more than every day, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>on on the making Patreon a thing. Yes, starting a

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<v Speaker 1>company is a is a triple time job. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>the kind of thing you can just kind of not

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<v Speaker 1>to because you can't have asked these things. No, it's

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<v Speaker 1>you can't. And yeah, it's been you know, I've I've

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<v Speaker 1>worked more in my life, you know, on Patreon that

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<v Speaker 1>I've worked ever on it. I mean it's been so intense,

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, that has been you know, rewarding hard.

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<v Speaker 1>Recently being able to in the last three years, being

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<v Speaker 1>able to combine it with being a creator again has

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<v Speaker 1>made me feel like so I feel like I got

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<v Speaker 1>my pilot light, you know, turned back on. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>it feels nice. You know how some artists become managers

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<v Speaker 1>of other artists and they're like, now, where's where's my moment,

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<v Speaker 1>where's my stage? You know, like I would imagine that

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<v Speaker 1>it could be hard to see other people creating when

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<v Speaker 1>you really want to create, but you're also creating something

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<v Speaker 1>but on a different level. Absolutely. Yeah, Before I figured

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<v Speaker 1>out a way to kind of be a creator and

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<v Speaker 1>do the business, well, let's see, the secret was amazing

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<v Speaker 1>working with amazing people and letting go a little bit

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<v Speaker 1>of all the details. It was really hard because as

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<v Speaker 1>a creator, as an artist like I, you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>we when pap Mouse originally was making music, I was,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, doing all the instrumentation, all the mixing, all

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<v Speaker 1>the mastering. You know. Um, it was still a partnership

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<v Speaker 1>with Natalie, but but I had full I had my hands.

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<v Speaker 1>I was sculpting the whole thing, from the video to

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<v Speaker 1>the editing to everything. And um, now Papa Mouse is

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<v Speaker 1>like fifteen contractors right and like, and we've slowly let

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<v Speaker 1>go of like, Okay, we're letting go to the video editing. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>We're letting go to the audio mixing. Okay, we're letting

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<v Speaker 1>go to the mastering. Okay, now we're gonna let go

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<v Speaker 1>some of the production. And like, one step at a time,

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<v Speaker 1>you kind of take a step back, but you still

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<v Speaker 1>get to do the things that are exciting to you

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<v Speaker 1>as an artist and that give you a voice as

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<v Speaker 1>an art So I still feel like, you know, before

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<v Speaker 1>we were able to do that, I kind of felt

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<v Speaker 1>like I didn't have vocal chords anymore. I was like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh ship, like somebody took my vocal ques. I can't

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<v Speaker 1>speak anymore. And now I feel like I got my

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<v Speaker 1>vocal chords back, and even though my voice is a

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<v Speaker 1>little different than it used to be in some ways,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like even more exciting and more beautiful and more

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<v Speaker 1>fun because it combines the creativity of other people too.

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<v Speaker 1>It's not just my soul vision. It's like the vision

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<v Speaker 1>of this wonderful group of fifteen people, and they get

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<v Speaker 1>to be creative and do their thing. So it's been

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<v Speaker 1>really wonderful. You are a very talented musician. What came first,

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<v Speaker 1>the music or the startup? Oh gosh, the music came.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, yeah, I've been playing music since I was six.

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<v Speaker 1>I newly answer to that. By the way, You're like,

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<v Speaker 1>you're not one of these people who's like, oh, I

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<v Speaker 1>have a platform, let me just do whatever. This is

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<v Speaker 1>something you've been doing for a very long time. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean Patreon came about because I was a full

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<v Speaker 1>time professional career. I mean I bought a house off

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<v Speaker 1>of MP three sales from from pample News. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>we came out with records all the time, and put

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<v Speaker 1>up YouTube videos and built a studio from our from

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<v Speaker 1>our you know, our our music income. So it was

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<v Speaker 1>a professional, full time creator until Patreona Patreons my first job.

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<v Speaker 1>I've never had a job before, so this is my

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<v Speaker 1>first time like going on an office or kind of

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<v Speaker 1>a little wild and crazy too because I have zero context.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm just kind of you know, I'm I'm I'm

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do all this for the first time. It

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<v Speaker 1>is sense. You were living it because you this was

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<v Speaker 1>something that was missing from your life. You didn't just

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<v Speaker 1>create Patreon because you were like, oh, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>really cool idea that you'll see like on some home

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<v Speaker 1>shopping network that you thought was some great invention. This

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<v Speaker 1>was something that would affect your life directly. Yeah, I

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<v Speaker 1>as an as a creator. Um, I had just finished

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<v Speaker 1>a music video that I spent about ten thousand bucks on.

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<v Speaker 1>I drained my savings account. I maxed out to credit

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<v Speaker 1>cards to make time. I was twenty eight. Were you

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<v Speaker 1>married at the time. Now, I wasn't married. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>a video called Pedal and it's on my personal YouTube channel.

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<v Speaker 1>You will love this. Stephen Steven, our camera guy DP

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<v Speaker 1>master of all Things. But yeah, it's awesome. It's it's

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<v Speaker 1>a wild video. Yeah. I literally built by hand. I

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<v Speaker 1>built a replica of Lennium Falcon cockpit to be the

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<v Speaker 1>set for the video. I mean, like I built the

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<v Speaker 1>whole thing like hot gluing things, and like it took

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<v Speaker 1>me three months. I mean I was working nineteen hour days.

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<v Speaker 1>My hands were like cracked and bloody and painted, and

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<v Speaker 1>like I was, I mean, I was all in on

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<v Speaker 1>this video. It's a lot of money for I'm thinking

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<v Speaker 1>about when I was twenty eight dropping ten stacks on

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<v Speaker 1>something like that's insane. It was insane. I it was

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<v Speaker 1>not a good idea. I mean it was it worked out,

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<v Speaker 1>It worked out. It was illogical, though, and I knew

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<v Speaker 1>that going in. I was like, you know what, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>going to be illogical right now, because yeah, my life

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<v Speaker 1>just lets there you go. I was like going to

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<v Speaker 1>home Depot and Joann's Fabrics and like it was a

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<v Speaker 1>crazy time. Not sponsored, but the idea something. I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the old reason that Patreon came up was because I

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<v Speaker 1>was about to post this video that I like poured

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<v Speaker 1>my soul into. When I posted videos at that time,

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<v Speaker 1>they got about a million views. So I knew I'd

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<v Speaker 1>get about a million views and I came with this

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<v Speaker 1>video and I'd get my ad revenue check for me

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<v Speaker 1>to be a hundred and fifty bucks, and I couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>stomach the idea of having spent ten grand on this

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<v Speaker 1>thing that's gonna reach a million people. It's not like

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<v Speaker 1>I'm a starming artist, and I'm like, I can't find

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<v Speaker 1>an audience, Like I found my crew on the people

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<v Speaker 1>who like what I have to say, and I put

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<v Speaker 1>that on the web and then I get a million.

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<v Speaker 1>I've reached a million people around the world and I

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<v Speaker 1>get paid a hundred and fifty bucks. Like what the

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<v Speaker 1>funk kind of system? It's bullshit? And that that was

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<v Speaker 1>the thing. I thought, There's got to be a better

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<v Speaker 1>way here. There's gotta be a way, like if you

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<v Speaker 1>involve fans, fans want to help, they want to support,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you know that I've sort of sketched out

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<v Speaker 1>this idea for a membership platform like k qe ed

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<v Speaker 1>or you know, um a w B e Z in

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<v Speaker 1>Chicago or sf Moment where people, you know, the fans

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<v Speaker 1>of a thing can pay five bucks a month or

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<v Speaker 1>ten bucks a month in exchange for exclusive access or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>And uh and it worked, and here we are and

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<v Speaker 1>here we are. So I've interviewed a ton of YouTubers

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<v Speaker 1>who are wanting to leave YouTube, and they're very very

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<v Speaker 1>honest about it. And it's because of what you just said.

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<v Speaker 1>They put their heart and soul into these the content

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<v Speaker 1>that they make, and content is getting really good. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>people are putting a lot of money into their content.

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<v Speaker 1>And then so many of them has have said to me,

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<v Speaker 1>that's why I put content on Patreon. I put my

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<v Speaker 1>quality content there. It's like their entrepreneurs of their own world.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's why companies like Patreon work. That's why companies

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<v Speaker 1>like fan Joy work. Which I interviewed Chris who is

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<v Speaker 1>the founder of fan Why am I stuttering? So I

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed Chris, the founder of fan Joy. That's why it's

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<v Speaker 1>hard founder of found they founder, Yes, nailed it, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically was his business model too. Like, these creators

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<v Speaker 1>are making more money selling T shirts and hoodies than

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<v Speaker 1>they are on YouTube, which is like, what the hell

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<v Speaker 1>year are we in and what what system of converting

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<v Speaker 1>content into paychecks for the people who make the content

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<v Speaker 1>have we built and deployed globally such that your best

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<v Speaker 1>chance at making it as a creator is freaking putting

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<v Speaker 1>your logo on a T shirt and selling a T

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<v Speaker 1>shirt that's not what That's not why you're valuable in

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<v Speaker 1>the world because you make T shirts. You're valuable because

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<v Speaker 1>you tell stories that people love that resonate with your fans. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>we should have a system where the stories that creators

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<v Speaker 1>tell that resonate with their fans, where that is their

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<v Speaker 1>business and you don't have to do all the other

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<v Speaker 1>extraneous bullshit to kind of cobble together a living. That's

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<v Speaker 1>a dumb system. And unfortunately that's the reality for creators

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<v Speaker 1>right now. I mean, at the end of every YouTube video,

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<v Speaker 1>it's like swipe up for this merch It's like that's

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<v Speaker 1>how Joejoe's bows for Jojo Siwa, and like all the

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<v Speaker 1>hoodies that Jake Paul sells, that's how they're making their money.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think what we've essentially, yeah, the the kind

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<v Speaker 1>of state of the industry that we're in right now

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<v Speaker 1>is we've figured out, you know, in order to zooming

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<v Speaker 1>way out for a second, in order to kind of

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<v Speaker 1>put up the first phase of the web, we basically

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<v Speaker 1>made the web free, right we said, the web is free.

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<v Speaker 1>You pay with your attention and with your privacy. Because

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<v Speaker 1>what we essentially do to we track every movement you

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<v Speaker 1>make on the web, and then we sell information about

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<v Speaker 1>you aggregated, but we sell information about you two people

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<v Speaker 1>who want to change your behavior, advertisers. You know, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know how deep I can get, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>essentially what I just described as the economic engine that

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<v Speaker 1>drives the production of content on the web. Right now,

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<v Speaker 1>consumers pay with their privacy and with their personal information

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<v Speaker 1>and with their attention, and that gets converted into the

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<v Speaker 1>paycheck for creators. But it turns out that essentially that's

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<v Speaker 1>a very inefficient system and it takes millions of people, millions,

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<v Speaker 1>because advertisers are interested in reaching millions of people. It

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<v Speaker 1>takes millions of people in order to convert to a

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<v Speaker 1>paycheck for a creator. Whereas if you have ten thou

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<v Speaker 1>people who listen to your show, that's a basketball stadium

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<v Speaker 1>full of humans who love what you have to say. Like,

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<v Speaker 1>in what world should that not be enough to make

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<v Speaker 1>a living like that? We need a system on the

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<v Speaker 1>web where ten people is enough. And that system is

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<v Speaker 1>more like a consumer payment system. It's more like heck

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<v Speaker 1>freaking Disney is doing it now. Disney plus New York

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<v Speaker 1>Times is doing it. They have a subscription portion of

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<v Speaker 1>New York Times, which is now bigger than their advertising business.

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<v Speaker 1>So consumer payments is you know, going back to what

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<v Speaker 1>I said before, you know, in terms of phases of

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<v Speaker 1>the web, that initial phase of the web where the

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<v Speaker 1>primary economic driver is this advertising model. We're shifting to

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<v Speaker 1>a new phase. I think over the next you know,

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<v Speaker 1>decade or two, ten to twenty years, we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>see consumer payments start to be Yeah, I think that's

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<v Speaker 1>gonna happen. I mean, it's already happening. It is, it is,

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<v Speaker 1>and your want of the driving forces in that, So

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<v Speaker 1>you should be really happy about that. Yeah. For people

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<v Speaker 1>who don't understand how Patreon works, would you mind us

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<v Speaker 1>giving a high level explanation of the platform. Yeah. So

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<v Speaker 1>the way Patreon works is a fan can pay five

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<v Speaker 1>bucks a month, ten bucks a month, hunter bucks a

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<v Speaker 1>month at honestly, whatever the tiers the creator creates. Fan

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<v Speaker 1>can pay a subscription pledge to a creator in exchange

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<v Speaker 1>for exclusive community, early access, extra episodes, behind the scenes, interviews,

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<v Speaker 1>extra photos, basically extra content and community and interaction. Um

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<v Speaker 1>and Patreon is the system that allows creators flexibility to

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<v Speaker 1>build and run whatever membership they want if they want

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<v Speaker 1>to have, you know, five dollar, ten dollar, hundred dollar

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<v Speaker 1>if they want to have twenty five fifty two D

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<v Speaker 1>and then you can load whatever benefits you want into

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<v Speaker 1>those tiers early access, exclusive access, exclusive community. We have

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<v Speaker 1>integrations with community platforms, all this kind of stuff, so

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<v Speaker 1>you can kind of do whatever you want to do

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<v Speaker 1>as a creator, and for creators, it's an amazing way

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<v Speaker 1>to essentially build a super close fan base. You own

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<v Speaker 1>your audience as a creator, Like you get their email addresses,

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<v Speaker 1>like on what other platform you get the email addresses

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<v Speaker 1>of the people that are actually like fans of you,

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<v Speaker 1>and you make so much more money than you would

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<v Speaker 1>buy ad revenue. We have creators making literally fifty to

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<v Speaker 1>two times what they make through ad revenue by just

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<v Speaker 1>letting their fans contribute five bucks a month for an

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<v Speaker 1>extra episode these tears, do you guys control them in

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<v Speaker 1>any way? Like you can't have Let's say somebody wants

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<v Speaker 1>to do something kind of salacious for like, do you

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<v Speaker 1>guys have any type of because I would imagine just

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<v Speaker 1>in this world and the culture we live in, that

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<v Speaker 1>there might be some scandal, right, how do you control that?

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<v Speaker 1>And do you at all? Or are you like free

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<v Speaker 1>the nipple, who cares? So I mean so, uh, we

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<v Speaker 1>actually do allow on nudity on Patreon, but we don't

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<v Speaker 1>allow porn, and so yes, we have to be very

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<v Speaker 1>careful about that. And um, it's amazing how the internet

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<v Speaker 1>will surprise you with new types of anything. Um. And

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<v Speaker 1>so it requires quite a few people. Actually ten percent

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<v Speaker 1>of Patreon's employees are people devoted to the problem that

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<v Speaker 1>you just talked about. It's like, hey, how do we

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<v Speaker 1>define what is allowed and what is not and be

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<v Speaker 1>really thoughtful about it because we're talking about a person's

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<v Speaker 1>income here, Like it's we're not talking about you know,

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<v Speaker 1>posting pictures. We're talking about your paycheck as a human.

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<v Speaker 1>So that's a lot of responsibility that we have to

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<v Speaker 1>take very seriously and really put our money where our

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<v Speaker 1>mouth is to make sure we're making good, thoughtful decisions.

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<v Speaker 1>We have no automated takedowns. Humans make every single decision.

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<v Speaker 1>They're right twelve page reports before they do anything like that.

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<v Speaker 1>To make sure that we're being really like a creator

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<v Speaker 1>friendly put a lot of red tape involved in making

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<v Speaker 1>a decision like that, as as there should be from

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<v Speaker 1>from my perspective as a creator, because you have a

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<v Speaker 1>flight to catch to maybe do a music video or ten.

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<v Speaker 1>What advice would you give someone who wants to go

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<v Speaker 1>on and pay drown and be a successful creator on

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<v Speaker 1>the on the site. Step one is make great stuff

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<v Speaker 1>that your fans love. Um, if you don't quite have

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<v Speaker 1>a fan base yet, uh, Patreon doesn't work as well

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<v Speaker 1>for you. Um. It's really a membership platform. It works

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<v Speaker 1>great for creators who are who have already kind of

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<v Speaker 1>found what they want to make and then seeing that

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<v Speaker 1>reach people. So this isn't like a throw ship to

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<v Speaker 1>the ceiling and see what stick. This is like a

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<v Speaker 1>come with your audience. Yeah, exactly. And it's not, Um,

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<v Speaker 1>it's not that we don't care about solving that particular problem,

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<v Speaker 1>or it's not that we don't want to help folks

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<v Speaker 1>find fans. It's just we're being at a startup. You

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<v Speaker 1>have to prioritize and so we're saying, Okay, you know

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<v Speaker 1>the problem we're gonna solve versus. So you're getting a

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<v Speaker 1>bunch of views on YouTube, but you're not making any money.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the problem Patreons focused on. And we're going to

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<v Speaker 1>tackle other problems like the ones you just mentioned eventually

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<v Speaker 1>in our life as a company. But um, but yeah, advice,

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<v Speaker 1>make great stuff that you love, that your fans are

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<v Speaker 1>passionate about um, and just make it awesome. And then

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<v Speaker 1>when you when you're proud of it, and when you

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<v Speaker 1>see it resonating with other folks, start a Patreon page,

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<v Speaker 1>and honestly, at that point, just be be yourself, be honest,

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<v Speaker 1>tell your fans what's going on, invite them in on

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<v Speaker 1>the journey. UM. The creators who love their fans and

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<v Speaker 1>whose fans love them back, they do the best on

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<v Speaker 1>the platform. I love that, Jack CONTI everyone my new

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<v Speaker 1>best friends. Thanks for having me. Of course I wish

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<v Speaker 1>this could have been longer, but again snafus, it happens.

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<v Speaker 1>But I do want to have you come back because

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<v Speaker 1>I want to do an entire thing on music. If

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<v Speaker 1>that works for you. Cool sounds great, of course, it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>You're the personalized All right, we'll have a safe flight.

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<v Speaker 1>I got you out of here at one seconds. I

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<v Speaker 1>was keeping an eye on it. That is with a

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<v Speaker 1>k pro level time management right there. All right, Well,

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<v Speaker 1>we'll see you soon. Okay, thanks, thanks you are you

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<v Speaker 1>hate me too. I'm through. I'm through. I'm through this

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<v Speaker 1>and throw attention. Suck you, Sucu and you and you

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<v Speaker 1>hate me. Do bucku? You and you and you DEI

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