1 00:00:01,639 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Now from our nation's capital. This is Bloomberg's sound on 2 00:00:07,120 --> 00:00:09,320 Speaker 1: attack on one as an attack on all, and we 3 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:13,080 Speaker 1: will defend every inch of NATO territory. You know, as 4 00:00:13,080 --> 00:00:15,160 Speaker 1: I mentioned, we're looking into these reports. Don't have any 5 00:00:15,160 --> 00:00:17,440 Speaker 1: information to corroborate him at this time, so I don't 6 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:20,119 Speaker 1: want to speculate or get into hypothetical. Let's President Biden 7 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,360 Speaker 1: may clear, we will defend every inch of NATO territory. 8 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:27,280 Speaker 1: If we care. Bloomberg sound on politics, policy and perspective 9 00:00:27,440 --> 00:00:31,960 Speaker 1: from DC's top name, I will very very very probably 10 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: do it again. Okay, that's a three time loser. I 11 00:00:34,440 --> 00:00:36,960 Speaker 1: think that this selection was the funeral for the Republican Party. 12 00:00:36,960 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 1: As we know, I would just tell people to go 13 00:00:39,360 --> 00:00:42,800 Speaker 1: check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night Bloomberg sound 14 00:00:42,840 --> 00:00:48,520 Speaker 1: on with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Russian rockets reportedly 15 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:51,800 Speaker 1: hit Poland. So now what welcome to the fastest hour 16 00:00:51,920 --> 00:00:54,560 Speaker 1: in politics is the U S and NATO allies meet 17 00:00:54,600 --> 00:00:57,840 Speaker 1: to consider the path forward, waiting to learn more about 18 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:01,040 Speaker 1: what happened today. We'll have the nique perspective of the 19 00:01:01,080 --> 00:01:05,360 Speaker 1: former Secretary of Defense Mark Esper on the Pentagon's next steps, 20 00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:08,720 Speaker 1: and as the Polish president calls for a National Security 21 00:01:08,760 --> 00:01:11,240 Speaker 1: Council meeting, we will talk with Melinda Hrring of the 22 00:01:11,280 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center on Ukraine. With the aftermath of 23 00:01:15,920 --> 00:01:18,720 Speaker 1: the midterm elections now setting off a leadership battle in 24 00:01:18,720 --> 00:01:22,200 Speaker 1: the Senate and Donald Trump preparing his big announcement for tonight, 25 00:01:22,240 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: will discuss all of these stories with our signature panel 26 00:01:24,920 --> 00:01:29,520 Speaker 1: Bloomberg Politics contributors Rick Davis and Jeanie Schanzano. The Pentagon 27 00:01:29,640 --> 00:01:33,039 Speaker 1: is treading very carefully around this story from Poland today, 28 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,360 Speaker 1: as the Associated Press reports two Russian missiles crossed the 29 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:41,640 Speaker 1: Ukrainian border into Poland, killing two people. Pentagon spokes from 30 00:01:41,640 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 1: Brigadier General pat ryder So, as I mentioned right now, 31 00:01:45,280 --> 00:01:47,680 Speaker 1: we are aware of the press reporting on this. We 32 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: have no information at this time to corroborate those reports, 33 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:53,720 Speaker 1: but again are are taking them seriously and looking into them, 34 00:01:53,720 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: and so um I will make sure that we provide 35 00:01:57,400 --> 00:01:59,400 Speaker 1: you with any updates as soon as we have them, 36 00:01:59,440 --> 00:02:02,040 Speaker 1: and we've been waiting the news prompted though an emergency 37 00:02:02,080 --> 00:02:05,920 Speaker 1: meeting of leaders in Poland, with Warsaw now considering invoking 38 00:02:06,040 --> 00:02:09,640 Speaker 1: Article four of a NATO Treaty, which brings consultation with 39 00:02:09,760 --> 00:02:13,720 Speaker 1: allies to raise concerns about national security, a step away, 40 00:02:13,760 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 1: of course, from a part possible Article five response, which 41 00:02:17,600 --> 00:02:19,320 Speaker 1: is what everyone today has been asking about when it 42 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:23,120 Speaker 1: comes to our security commitments UH and Article five. We've 43 00:02:23,120 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 1: been crystal clear that we will defend every inch of 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,919 Speaker 1: NATO territory. That's a Brigadier General pat Ryder once again 45 00:02:28,919 --> 00:02:31,640 Speaker 1: echoing the words of the President right, President Biden just 46 00:02:31,680 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: a couple of months ago, attack on one as an 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,040 Speaker 1: attack on all, and we will defend every inch of 48 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:40,680 Speaker 1: NATO territory. Or the Secretary of Defense Lloyd Austin, it's 49 00:02:40,680 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 1: President Biden may clear we will defend every inch of 50 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:48,160 Speaker 1: NATO territory. If require every inch. We're making good on that, 51 00:02:48,720 --> 00:02:51,520 Speaker 1: every inch. But what if it was an accident. What 52 00:02:51,560 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 1: if NATO decides it's it's more dangerous to respond militarily. 53 00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:59,000 Speaker 1: What if Poland doesn't ask for help. We are facing 54 00:02:59,040 --> 00:03:01,560 Speaker 1: some big questions to nights, and that's why we're lucky 55 00:03:01,560 --> 00:03:05,040 Speaker 1: to have former Secretary of Defense Mark Asper back with 56 00:03:05,160 --> 00:03:07,639 Speaker 1: us on sound on, author of the books Sacred Oath. 57 00:03:07,760 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: Mr Secretary, welcome back. We understand that President Biden has 58 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:15,320 Speaker 1: spoken with President Duda. We also know National Security Advisor 59 00:03:15,400 --> 00:03:17,800 Speaker 1: Jake Sullivan has gotten on the phone with the chief 60 00:03:17,840 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: of Poland's National Security Bureau. Bring us behind the scenes 61 00:03:22,080 --> 00:03:25,639 Speaker 1: into what's happening right now, well, Joe, first of all, 62 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:28,639 Speaker 1: great to be with you on this important day. So 63 00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,040 Speaker 1: I think you know behind the scenes, the Secretary of 64 00:03:31,040 --> 00:03:35,280 Speaker 1: Defense is having conversations with his counterpart as well. I 65 00:03:35,320 --> 00:03:37,880 Speaker 1: think the critical thing is to understand what the polls 66 00:03:37,920 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: know and what they don't know based on the forensics 67 00:03:41,040 --> 00:03:42,600 Speaker 1: on the ground as they look at the wreckage of 68 00:03:42,600 --> 00:03:46,240 Speaker 1: the of the missiles, UH, to compare radar tracks, if 69 00:03:46,240 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: you will, to try and figure out the point of origination, 70 00:03:49,840 --> 00:03:51,760 Speaker 1: and then to kind of getting their head with regard 71 00:03:51,760 --> 00:03:53,760 Speaker 1: to where the government is thinking, what the government is 72 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:58,160 Speaker 1: thinking as we weigh out responses. My suspicion is that 73 00:03:58,240 --> 00:04:03,240 Speaker 1: this was an an accident until um firing caused by 74 00:04:03,240 --> 00:04:05,880 Speaker 1: either poor targeting or a malfunctioned by one of the 75 00:04:05,960 --> 00:04:09,360 Speaker 1: Russian missiles. But we need to go through a deliberate process, 76 00:04:09,480 --> 00:04:12,040 Speaker 1: investigated out and come to the facts before we draw 77 00:04:12,080 --> 00:04:15,080 Speaker 1: any conclusions. If we do conclude that it was an accident, 78 00:04:15,920 --> 00:04:19,160 Speaker 1: does that mean no military response, or is is it 79 00:04:19,200 --> 00:04:25,159 Speaker 1: not that easy? Well, I look, accidents happened. Uh, United 80 00:04:25,160 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: States has created accidents in the past. If you're called 81 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:31,400 Speaker 1: the shooting down of an Iranian jetliner a decades ago 82 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:33,799 Speaker 1: by U. S. Navy ship, and there's been other accidents 83 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:35,440 Speaker 1: in the past. I don't see it as a reason 84 00:04:35,480 --> 00:04:37,800 Speaker 1: to go to war. But it's certainly a reason for 85 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: us to demand a full explanation from the Russians, to 86 00:04:41,680 --> 00:04:44,840 Speaker 1: demand some type of actions that they plan to take 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,919 Speaker 1: to make sure this doesn't happen again, and to continue 88 00:04:46,920 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: to warn them that we will defend NATO territory from attack. 89 00:04:51,760 --> 00:04:54,800 Speaker 1: Should the President be saying every inch that that line 90 00:04:54,839 --> 00:04:58,440 Speaker 1: that we've heard repeatedly, and and he's even said, you know, 91 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,320 Speaker 1: whether it's on purpose or nod or have have we 92 00:05:01,440 --> 00:05:04,279 Speaker 1: gone too far to draw that red line without allowing 93 00:05:04,320 --> 00:05:07,760 Speaker 1: for some flexibility over you know, a potential screw up 94 00:05:07,839 --> 00:05:11,040 Speaker 1: like this one. Well, I think it's important to be resolute. 95 00:05:11,160 --> 00:05:14,520 Speaker 1: You're sending a message to at least two audiences, one 96 00:05:14,920 --> 00:05:18,200 Speaker 1: Russia and number two the allies, you know, reassure the 97 00:05:18,240 --> 00:05:22,200 Speaker 1: frontline States, the Baltics, Poland, etcetera, that we will be 98 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,279 Speaker 1: there to defend them. But you you have to balance 99 00:05:24,320 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: that out with a message to all the players and 100 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:29,120 Speaker 1: the American people that we need to get to the 101 00:05:29,160 --> 00:05:31,120 Speaker 1: bottom this first, and we need to sort out whether 102 00:05:31,160 --> 00:05:35,359 Speaker 1: it was an accident or intentional. And intentionality makes a 103 00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,440 Speaker 1: big difference here, particularly when you're talking about possibly escalating 104 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 1: the conflict and injecting NATO into it. When you read 105 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: actually read the article five, it refers to action as 106 00:05:47,960 --> 00:05:52,720 Speaker 1: deemed necessary, Mr. Secretary, including the use of armed force 107 00:05:53,480 --> 00:05:56,719 Speaker 1: to restore security, implying that that's an option one of 108 00:05:56,839 --> 00:06:01,800 Speaker 1: potentially several options that UH the allies have to to 109 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:04,120 Speaker 1: do this, even if it was on purpose, that does 110 00:06:04,160 --> 00:06:07,720 Speaker 1: not guarantee a military response right now, That's right. A 111 00:06:07,760 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 1: lot of people misread article to five to to believe 112 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:14,400 Speaker 1: that it's just an automatic reaction military response, And grantly, 113 00:06:14,440 --> 00:06:16,680 Speaker 1: what it means is that the decision has to go 114 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:21,039 Speaker 1: back to UH national capitals for decision first and then 115 00:06:21,440 --> 00:06:25,480 Speaker 1: consultation among the allies within the within NATO, So it's 116 00:06:25,480 --> 00:06:28,039 Speaker 1: it's not automatic and they can consider a full range 117 00:06:28,040 --> 00:06:31,200 Speaker 1: of responses. And I believe that this was an accident 118 00:06:31,279 --> 00:06:34,680 Speaker 1: that the appropriate response would be a diplomatic one, but 119 00:06:34,880 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: on the other hand, we should consider what additional actions 120 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: we should take NATO should take to safeguard from something 121 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,200 Speaker 1: similar happening in the future. So do we UH put 122 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:48,920 Speaker 1: more air defenses in along the Polish border, for example? 123 00:06:49,400 --> 00:06:51,960 Speaker 1: Should we accelerate, as I've been arguing for some time now, 124 00:06:52,040 --> 00:06:56,920 Speaker 1: accelerate the provision of air defense assets to Ukraine so 125 00:06:56,960 --> 00:06:59,599 Speaker 1: that this doesn't happen. Think about how far this Russian 126 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:02,839 Speaker 1: missile would have had to travel across Ukraine to pass 127 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:07,000 Speaker 1: into the Polish border, the renumerous opportunities to shoot this 128 00:07:07,040 --> 00:07:10,000 Speaker 1: thing down, and so I think we it's a call 129 00:07:10,080 --> 00:07:12,840 Speaker 1: to accelerate the provision of air defenses to Ukraine as well, 130 00:07:13,000 --> 00:07:15,560 Speaker 1: not least of which because they've been suffering under air 131 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,480 Speaker 1: missile attacks from the Russians now for months. You said 132 00:07:18,480 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 1: a couple of important things there, and I do want 133 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,240 Speaker 1: to go back and point out the fact that you're right, 134 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 1: President Biden would have to seek UH congressional approval to 135 00:07:28,160 --> 00:07:30,920 Speaker 1: act on this militarily right as opposed to responding to 136 00:07:30,960 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 1: an attack on our own country. So that's number one 137 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:36,920 Speaker 1: and two to your point about missile defenses. How does 138 00:07:36,920 --> 00:07:38,840 Speaker 1: this impact the debate if we can call it a 139 00:07:38,880 --> 00:07:42,200 Speaker 1: debate to be fair around Ukraine funding war funding going 140 00:07:42,200 --> 00:07:47,000 Speaker 1: into the new year with a new Congress. Well, uh, look, 141 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,120 Speaker 1: the air defenses are desperately needed. We've known this for months. 142 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:54,280 Speaker 1: I think we've moved too slowly and and with not enough, 143 00:07:54,440 --> 00:07:56,600 Speaker 1: not just the United States but our allies as well. 144 00:07:57,120 --> 00:07:59,840 Speaker 1: We know at this point in time, given the tactical 145 00:08:00,040 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 1: vitories on the ground being achieved by the Ukrainians, that 146 00:08:03,400 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: the Russians are now resorting to these air missile attacks 147 00:08:06,440 --> 00:08:08,720 Speaker 1: and drone attacks by the way, to provided by Iran 148 00:08:09,280 --> 00:08:13,520 Speaker 1: to knock out the Ukrainian infrastructure so that it becomes 149 00:08:13,520 --> 00:08:16,040 Speaker 1: a very tough winter for them, for the Ukrainians and 150 00:08:16,080 --> 00:08:18,360 Speaker 1: they try to break their will. So this is why 151 00:08:19,280 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: I've been arguing that we need to provide the Ukrainians 152 00:08:22,040 --> 00:08:26,120 Speaker 1: the means to defend themselves. And I just don't know why, uh, NATO, 153 00:08:26,280 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 1: the United States are allies have been moving too slow 154 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: on this front. We're spending time with Marks per former 155 00:08:31,680 --> 00:08:35,400 Speaker 1: Defense Secretary Mark, When when the administration does know what 156 00:08:35,600 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 1: actually happened here, does the president speak even if it's 157 00:08:39,280 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 1: from the G twenty in Bali and this does this 158 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: actually helped him being with all of these fellow leaders, 159 00:08:45,000 --> 00:08:49,080 Speaker 1: He's basically got a NATO meeting at breakfast today. Well, 160 00:08:49,120 --> 00:08:51,079 Speaker 1: the United States is the clear leader of NATO, the 161 00:08:51,120 --> 00:08:53,199 Speaker 1: clear leader of the free world. I think it's important 162 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:56,680 Speaker 1: for the President once he understands the facts and comes 163 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,400 Speaker 1: to a conclusion and consults, by the way with his 164 00:08:59,400 --> 00:09:02,920 Speaker 1: his fell long leaders, particularly Poland and UM and of 165 00:09:02,960 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: course a NATO sectary general, that he explains to the 166 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: American people what we know and what it means. But 167 00:09:08,440 --> 00:09:11,560 Speaker 1: it's we need to understand what's happening. We need to 168 00:09:11,559 --> 00:09:15,440 Speaker 1: know the way ahead. We need some reassurance that, uh, 169 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:19,680 Speaker 1: that Washington has this under control. We were asking questions 170 00:09:19,679 --> 00:09:23,320 Speaker 1: earlier about force protection. Brigadier General pat Ryder, as I mentioned, 171 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:27,280 Speaker 1: was briefing reporters at the Pentagon earlier. Here's what he said. 172 00:09:27,320 --> 00:09:30,280 Speaker 1: We always take the safety and security of our troops, 173 00:09:30,280 --> 00:09:33,840 Speaker 1: no matter where they're serving, very seriously, and so we're 174 00:09:34,000 --> 00:09:37,200 Speaker 1: very confident in any force protection measures that we take, 175 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,640 Speaker 1: whether it be Poland or elsewhere. You made the point 176 00:09:41,160 --> 00:09:44,720 Speaker 1: earlier here that this missile had to travel some distance, 177 00:09:44,880 --> 00:09:47,200 Speaker 1: or these missiles to where they were going, do we 178 00:09:47,280 --> 00:09:51,480 Speaker 1: need to have better countermeasures just to protect our own forces. 179 00:09:52,000 --> 00:09:54,360 Speaker 1: Never mind the border of Poland. We've got tens of 180 00:09:54,400 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: thousands of additional troops over there now, right, what force 181 00:09:56,960 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: protection do we have? Well, I assu you know what, 182 00:10:00,920 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 1: where there are congregations of US forces, particularly on bases 183 00:10:04,320 --> 00:10:07,320 Speaker 1: or Polish bases, that they are well protected from the 184 00:10:07,320 --> 00:10:10,400 Speaker 1: ground um and and more importantly from the air with 185 00:10:10,559 --> 00:10:14,679 Speaker 1: the US air defense systems supplemented complemented by Polish air 186 00:10:14,720 --> 00:10:18,240 Speaker 1: defense systems. So I don't worry as much about the bases. 187 00:10:18,600 --> 00:10:21,080 Speaker 1: What you have to worry about is is again these 188 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:24,480 Speaker 1: if it's an accident um missiles falling in in areas 189 00:10:24,480 --> 00:10:26,360 Speaker 1: that we wouldn't expect. In this case, from what we're 190 00:10:26,360 --> 00:10:29,680 Speaker 1: told it was, it fell into a farming area community, 191 00:10:29,800 --> 00:10:33,360 Speaker 1: a very small community, which which adds to the suspicion 192 00:10:33,400 --> 00:10:35,720 Speaker 1: that it was an accident more than anything else. So 193 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,480 Speaker 1: but look, force protection always has to be taken into account. 194 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: And at this point in time, given that this seems 195 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:43,000 Speaker 1: to be the resort of the Russians to fire drones 196 00:10:43,040 --> 00:10:47,200 Speaker 1: and missiles and artillery and in many cases randomly to 197 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 1: terrorize the Ukrainian people, we have to be doubly on 198 00:10:50,040 --> 00:10:52,560 Speaker 1: guard with regard to force protection and and and where 199 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: the spillover could occur. I think I know what your 200 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:57,720 Speaker 1: answer is going to be. But does this and the 201 00:10:57,800 --> 00:11:02,559 Speaker 1: argument about whether they should send the MiGs, do you rane? Uh, 202 00:11:02,640 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: we should have sent the mixed months ago. We should 203 00:11:04,640 --> 00:11:07,840 Speaker 1: be pushing the Germans and others to provide tanks, that 204 00:11:07,880 --> 00:11:11,080 Speaker 1: we should accelerate air defenses and and anti ship missiles. 205 00:11:11,400 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 1: All this stuff should have been provided. We could foresee 206 00:11:14,320 --> 00:11:16,960 Speaker 1: all this happening, and so I don't know why we 207 00:11:17,000 --> 00:11:20,680 Speaker 1: continued to hesitate to do these things. And so yes, 208 00:11:21,120 --> 00:11:24,160 Speaker 1: by this time we could have trained, uh, the Ukrainian 209 00:11:24,200 --> 00:11:25,520 Speaker 1: pilots and they would have been ready to go and 210 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:28,040 Speaker 1: they could have shot down these systems. What a thought, 211 00:11:28,400 --> 00:11:31,680 Speaker 1: What a thought? Mark, thank you for sharing your insights 212 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 1: with us. To your point on a very important day, 213 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:37,640 Speaker 1: Mark asked for the former Secretary of Defense, getting things 214 00:11:37,679 --> 00:11:40,160 Speaker 1: moving on the fastest hour in politics. Will assemble the 215 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,680 Speaker 1: panel next to here from Genie and Rick, I'm Joe Matthew. 216 00:11:43,000 --> 00:11:48,560 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg. You sound on 217 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:56,080 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. Reports coming in from 218 00:11:56,120 --> 00:11:59,800 Speaker 1: Poland today that as you were just hearing on Bloomberg 219 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:04,119 Speaker 1: wound on a couple of Russian missiles hit NATO territory, 220 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:09,400 Speaker 1: landed in Poland, killed two people. May reframe the debate 221 00:12:09,480 --> 00:12:14,720 Speaker 1: surrounding funding for Ukraine. It certainly came up today in 222 00:12:14,800 --> 00:12:18,199 Speaker 1: a newly awakened Capitol Hill. Lawmakers are back in town. 223 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,080 Speaker 1: Senator Mitch McConnell, still minority leader, was sasked about it. 224 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,520 Speaker 1: I'm a robust supporter of Ukraine. We need to get 225 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,160 Speaker 1: them what they need to continue to fight this war. 226 00:12:29,800 --> 00:12:32,760 Speaker 1: I think they have the capacity to win it, particularly 227 00:12:32,840 --> 00:12:35,280 Speaker 1: we give them what they need. We have more later 228 00:12:35,320 --> 00:12:37,880 Speaker 1: on a test to his leadership this hour, but let's 229 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,559 Speaker 1: assemble our panel or Genie Schanzano and Rick Davis are 230 00:12:40,559 --> 00:12:45,560 Speaker 1: with us, our signature panel Bloomberg Politics contributors. Genie doesn't 231 00:12:45,600 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 1: reframe the argument around funding here with some Republicans primarily, 232 00:12:49,840 --> 00:12:53,040 Speaker 1: and but also some progressive Democrats as well, making some 233 00:12:53,080 --> 00:12:56,040 Speaker 1: noise becoming a little more restless as we approached the 234 00:12:56,080 --> 00:12:58,520 Speaker 1: end of the year when it comes to sending tens 235 00:12:58,520 --> 00:13:02,360 Speaker 1: of billions more to Ukraine. Yeah, it should reframe the argument, 236 00:13:02,360 --> 00:13:05,160 Speaker 1: but the reality is it really shouldn't have to reframe it. 237 00:13:05,200 --> 00:13:07,400 Speaker 1: The biggest surprise about what happened today is that it 238 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: didn't happen before. The Russians have been shooting missiles in 239 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:15,440 Speaker 1: this area, and they had what ninety missiles that came 240 00:13:15,480 --> 00:13:19,320 Speaker 1: in aimed towards the infrastructure, the electrical infrastructure in Ukraine. 241 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 1: And regardless of whether this was an accident or whether 242 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:24,839 Speaker 1: it was on purpose, the shock here is it didn't 243 00:13:24,840 --> 00:13:28,800 Speaker 1: happen before. Anybody in Congress who doesn't realize that and 244 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:31,960 Speaker 1: is prepared to maybe cut funding or have a discussion 245 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:34,960 Speaker 1: about that at this point really hasn't been paying attention 246 00:13:35,000 --> 00:13:36,960 Speaker 1: to what's been going on. So it shouldn't reframe it, 247 00:13:37,000 --> 00:13:41,760 Speaker 1: but it probably will. The nightly address from President Zelenski 248 00:13:42,000 --> 00:13:45,800 Speaker 1: rick was, you can imagine, fairly draumatic. He asked how 249 00:13:45,800 --> 00:13:48,679 Speaker 1: many times as Ukraine said that the terrorist state will 250 00:13:48,720 --> 00:13:52,160 Speaker 1: not stop on our country. It's only a matter of time, 251 00:13:52,160 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: he said, before Russian terror goes further. Is that true 252 00:13:55,320 --> 00:13:57,480 Speaker 1: or is this just a dumb move, a mistake by 253 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,000 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin? Well, I think there's a legit intimate concerned 254 00:14:01,000 --> 00:14:05,360 Speaker 1: that Putin's brandishing all these weapons across you know, Ukraine. 255 00:14:05,559 --> 00:14:08,560 Speaker 1: One has the potential of causing an accent. This is 256 00:14:08,600 --> 00:14:11,839 Speaker 1: the problem when you put on a war like Putin has, 257 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:14,760 Speaker 1: with the lack of lethality that he's been able to do, 258 00:14:14,840 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: he has no idea half the time probably where these 259 00:14:17,120 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: missiles are going. So the idea that they somehow can 260 00:14:20,120 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: deny this without you know, UH being found to be 261 00:14:23,840 --> 00:14:28,800 Speaker 1: UH at risk at fault UM is nuts. UM. Ninety 262 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:32,960 Speaker 1: missiles were launched yesterday. This is one of two of 263 00:14:33,000 --> 00:14:37,360 Speaker 1: those missiles all the way across the country. UM. Ukraine 264 00:14:37,400 --> 00:14:40,600 Speaker 1: was successful at shooting down seventy of them. But UH, 265 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,520 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin doesn't have control of his troops. He doesn't 266 00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:46,640 Speaker 1: really know what's happening on the ground. UH. And the 267 00:14:46,760 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: idea that somehow this doesn't spread UH to a broader 268 00:14:51,160 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 1: war is I think naive on people's part, because Uh, 269 00:14:55,560 --> 00:14:58,920 Speaker 1: I think there's a part of Putin's political calculus that 270 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:01,840 Speaker 1: says he's to be even tougher than he's been. You know, 271 00:15:01,880 --> 00:15:03,760 Speaker 1: he's got he doesn't have problems on the left, he 272 00:15:03,760 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 1: knows those. He has problems on the right. There are 273 00:15:06,480 --> 00:15:09,920 Speaker 1: right wing advisors and leaders in Russia who don't think 274 00:15:10,200 --> 00:15:13,120 Speaker 1: Putin is doing enough, and to some degree, maybe This 275 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: mollifies them because Putin will be able to say, potentially, hey, 276 00:15:17,200 --> 00:15:21,160 Speaker 1: I shot these two missiles into into Poland and NATO 277 00:15:21,280 --> 00:15:25,040 Speaker 1: did nothing. It sounds to me like a response might 278 00:15:25,080 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: be necessary, whether or not it was an accident. Is 279 00:15:28,520 --> 00:15:31,720 Speaker 1: at your point, Yeah, I don't think we can tolerate 280 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:35,520 Speaker 1: Russia is shooting ninety missiles in the Ukraine one right, 281 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 1: that is absolutely inappropriate. He's what he's doing is what 282 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:40,960 Speaker 1: you mentioned earlier. He's knocking out all the powers so 283 00:15:41,000 --> 00:15:44,920 Speaker 1: he can freeze the Ukrainian population. That is not war 284 00:15:45,760 --> 00:15:48,240 Speaker 1: uh in in a traditional sense. So what's the what's 285 00:15:48,280 --> 00:15:50,680 Speaker 1: the response? I think the response has got to be 286 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:53,840 Speaker 1: beef up everything that we're doing in the Ukraine and 287 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,720 Speaker 1: and increase the global pressure on Russia. And that means 288 00:15:58,080 --> 00:16:02,960 Speaker 1: secondary sanctions, that means, you know, targeting new industries within Russia. 289 00:16:03,080 --> 00:16:04,800 Speaker 1: I mean, there are a lot more we can do, 290 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: and I think we've kind of taken our foot off 291 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: the gas pedal. How close are we to World War three? 292 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 1: Then here, Jeanie, you know, a response could be interpreted 293 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,920 Speaker 1: in a lot of different ways by Vladimir Putin. Obviously 294 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 1: it could. I mean Vladimir Putin is threatened at home. 295 00:16:19,480 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: There there is a school of thought which says that, 296 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:24,120 Speaker 1: you know, we need to be thinking about providing him 297 00:16:24,160 --> 00:16:27,200 Speaker 1: some kind of face saving off ramp, because otherwise he 298 00:16:27,240 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: could feel threatened internally and maybe do something like launch 299 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,080 Speaker 1: a nuclear attack. So that's reality. The other reality is 300 00:16:34,080 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 1: the United States and NATO. We've been trying to limit 301 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:39,520 Speaker 1: this wor to Ukraine. We see that that's going to 302 00:16:39,600 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 1: be a lot tougher to do at this point, and 303 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:45,560 Speaker 1: that's where this concern about say, World War three comes about. 304 00:16:45,840 --> 00:16:49,280 Speaker 1: But in the meantime, civilian populations in the Ukraine are 305 00:16:49,440 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: under attack. I mean Rick was just talking about it. 306 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:56,800 Speaker 1: They're attempting to completely disable the electrical grid as they 307 00:16:56,840 --> 00:17:01,440 Speaker 1: head into winter. They are destroying an entire civilization. And 308 00:17:01,480 --> 00:17:04,879 Speaker 1: that is a really, really something that's got to be addressed. 309 00:17:05,119 --> 00:17:07,879 Speaker 1: And you know, these were two, you know, two deaths, 310 00:17:07,960 --> 00:17:11,000 Speaker 1: really unfortunate. Look at the number in Ukraine. Do you 311 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:14,800 Speaker 1: worry You're absolutely right, Do you worry about drawing red 312 00:17:14,840 --> 00:17:17,879 Speaker 1: lines here? Uh? Jeannie, This term has come up a 313 00:17:17,960 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 1: number of times, remembering Barack Obama and Syria. When you 314 00:17:21,800 --> 00:17:26,280 Speaker 1: think about Joe Biden, every inch, no matter what is 315 00:17:26,359 --> 00:17:31,280 Speaker 1: that good or or bad geopolitics right now. It's dangerous 316 00:17:31,320 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: because he has been unequivocal. You have played all the equips, 317 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,160 Speaker 1: all the equips, all the clips rather and he has 318 00:17:37,160 --> 00:17:39,600 Speaker 1: said that as his advisers. And the question is now, 319 00:17:39,800 --> 00:17:42,080 Speaker 1: did he mean every single inch only if it wasn't 320 00:17:42,160 --> 00:17:44,080 Speaker 1: an accident. If it is an accident, is it still 321 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:48,600 Speaker 1: every single Yeah, it's a dangerous game to play. He's right, 322 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:50,760 Speaker 1: he should be unequivocal in that. But they've got to 323 00:17:50,920 --> 00:17:53,680 Speaker 1: mean it. And that's you know what we're waiting to hear. 324 00:17:53,720 --> 00:17:56,919 Speaker 1: How do we respond and do they feel that, you know, 325 00:17:57,080 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: accident means that this is excused in some way a redline? 326 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:03,920 Speaker 1: Dangerous here, Rick or necessary? I like redlines as long 327 00:18:03,960 --> 00:18:06,439 Speaker 1: as you back them up. Yeah, well, that's a whole 328 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:10,560 Speaker 1: different conversation, Rick Davis, Jennie Chanzano stay with us for 329 00:18:10,600 --> 00:18:13,640 Speaker 1: the hour our signature panel as we continue our conversation 330 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:16,920 Speaker 1: about some of the very difficult decisions that are coming. 331 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:20,480 Speaker 1: Wellnda Herring of the Atlantic Council's Eurasia Center on Ukraine 332 00:18:20,520 --> 00:18:25,440 Speaker 1: is here. Next. This is Bloomberg. So at six thirty 333 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:28,359 Speaker 1: in the morning right now in Bali, where, of course 334 00:18:28,400 --> 00:18:31,239 Speaker 1: President Biden is waking up along with the heads of 335 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:35,080 Speaker 1: the other G twenty nations there for the big summit 336 00:18:35,480 --> 00:18:37,919 Speaker 1: this week, where the war in Ukraine has been a 337 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:41,879 Speaker 1: massive topic. It was a topic yesterday when President Biden 338 00:18:41,920 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: met with President she from China. It was a topic 339 00:18:44,320 --> 00:18:48,080 Speaker 1: today when Bloomberg News spoke with John Kirby, spokesman of 340 00:18:48,119 --> 00:18:52,520 Speaker 1: course for the White House National Security Council, while talking 341 00:18:52,520 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: about China, you cannot avoid the war in Ukraine. China 342 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:01,200 Speaker 1: hasn't condemned the war. They haven't stopped buying oil, they 343 00:19:01,240 --> 00:19:05,200 Speaker 1: haven't provided any military equipment. But but clearly they haven't 344 00:19:05,200 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: come out as forcefully as the rest of the international 345 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: community in really condemning this war. That by the way, 346 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:11,840 Speaker 1: it was just a couple of hours before the headlines 347 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: broke from Poland about the apparently stray missiles is that 348 00:19:15,600 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 1: what we're calling them that killed two people in Poland? 349 00:19:19,800 --> 00:19:22,359 Speaker 1: Were joined by Melinda Herring Glad to say, the deputy 350 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:25,400 Speaker 1: director of the Atlantic Council's Eurasias Center on Ukraine, back 351 00:19:25,440 --> 00:19:28,880 Speaker 1: with us here on Bloomberg's sound On. Melinda, it's great 352 00:19:28,920 --> 00:19:31,640 Speaker 1: to have you with us. How likely do you think 353 00:19:31,680 --> 00:19:35,600 Speaker 1: this is a mistake at this play. We don't know, 354 00:19:36,119 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: and it's it's early days. Everyone's trying to figure out 355 00:19:39,280 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 1: what happened. So it may have the Russians may have 356 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:45,960 Speaker 1: overshot and they may have intended to hit Poland. Or 357 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: it's possible that that the Ukrainians tried to shoot this 358 00:19:50,800 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 1: these Russian UH missiles down and their air defenses landed 359 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 1: in Poland. We simply don't know, and everyone's trying to 360 00:19:57,320 --> 00:20:00,680 Speaker 1: gather information right now, So we're trying to be careful 361 00:20:00,760 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: as well. When you consider though, the environment that President 362 00:20:04,640 --> 00:20:07,800 Speaker 1: Biden is in right now, Uh, is this not the 363 00:20:07,840 --> 00:20:11,000 Speaker 1: best possible scenario for him to be surrounded by Arnato 364 00:20:11,040 --> 00:20:14,639 Speaker 1: allies at this very moment. Look, it's not bad. I 365 00:20:14,840 --> 00:20:17,679 Speaker 1: don't think anyone expects anything monumental to come out of 366 00:20:17,680 --> 00:20:19,960 Speaker 1: the G twenty. I certainly don't. The big themes that 367 00:20:20,040 --> 00:20:22,879 Speaker 1: the G twenty were energy security and food security, and 368 00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: Vladimir Putin did even bother to show up, and both 369 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:28,000 Speaker 1: of those issues revolve around him, and he is the 370 00:20:28,040 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: decision maker in Russia. So you know, it's good that 371 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,720 Speaker 1: he's nearer some of our allies and he can make 372 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:37,280 Speaker 1: phone calls and have conversations easily. But but you know, 373 00:20:37,880 --> 00:20:39,800 Speaker 1: I don't see any headlines coming out of the g T, 374 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,320 Speaker 1: any real ones. So he needs to come home, meet 375 00:20:43,320 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: with military officials and so on. Is that your point? 376 00:20:45,640 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: We know Jake Sullivan was speaking with his counterpart in Poland. 377 00:20:49,240 --> 00:20:52,120 Speaker 1: The Pentagon, though, is being very careful about what comes next. 378 00:20:52,119 --> 00:20:54,320 Speaker 1: We're not we're not at Article five yet, we're technically 379 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:58,480 Speaker 1: not even an Article four as Poland considers opening the conversation. 380 00:20:59,480 --> 00:21:01,920 Speaker 1: That's right. So we know that President Biden just got 381 00:21:01,960 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: off the phone with President Duda in Poland, and the 382 00:21:04,440 --> 00:21:06,640 Speaker 1: polls are supposed to put out a statement very soon. 383 00:21:07,000 --> 00:21:10,000 Speaker 1: But I think you're right that that everyone is looking 384 00:21:10,040 --> 00:21:13,200 Speaker 1: at Article for for consultations to sit down and talk 385 00:21:13,240 --> 00:21:16,479 Speaker 1: about what the proper response is right now, uh, and 386 00:21:16,520 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 1: hopefully a meeting will be forthcoming. The Ukrainians, Dmitri Kala, 387 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,439 Speaker 1: the foreign minister, has put some statements out on social 388 00:21:23,480 --> 00:21:28,360 Speaker 1: media and he's asking he's asking for a NATO conference 389 00:21:28,400 --> 00:21:31,520 Speaker 1: that would include Ukraine, and he's urging the West to 390 00:21:31,640 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 1: send air defense systems and to send S sixteens and 391 00:21:35,480 --> 00:21:37,879 Speaker 1: S fifteens as soon as possible. Do you think that 392 00:21:37,920 --> 00:21:41,440 Speaker 1: will happen? No? No, I don't think so. Look, the 393 00:21:41,640 --> 00:21:43,840 Speaker 1: White House, our White House is not willing to give 394 00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:47,080 Speaker 1: long range rockets that there's no way that they're going 395 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:52,160 Speaker 1: to agree to greenland jets. They already poop poo this idea, 396 00:21:52,240 --> 00:21:54,840 Speaker 1: you know, months and months, never mind the megs that 397 00:21:54,920 --> 00:21:57,720 Speaker 1: they already know how to fly. When you hear when 398 00:21:57,760 --> 00:22:03,480 Speaker 1: you hear Moscow using the term deliberate provocation, when you're 399 00:22:03,520 --> 00:22:06,440 Speaker 1: done chuckling, do you assume that that means the opposite 400 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:11,320 Speaker 1: of what you're reading? Normally? Yes, normally, normally you do. Yeah, 401 00:22:11,320 --> 00:22:14,000 Speaker 1: but you know what the Russians are also saying. Now, 402 00:22:14,320 --> 00:22:16,040 Speaker 1: you know, I don't think the Russians want to go 403 00:22:16,240 --> 00:22:17,960 Speaker 1: to war with the NATO. They realize that they're going 404 00:22:18,040 --> 00:22:21,000 Speaker 1: to get their butts kicked. So Russia's official line is 405 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:24,159 Speaker 1: that it's Ukrainian air defense. Since it's too far for 406 00:22:24,320 --> 00:22:27,959 Speaker 1: Russians three hundreds, let's let's wait and see. Uh. You know, 407 00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 1: we don't know yet. Uh. And we need to be 408 00:22:30,560 --> 00:22:36,080 Speaker 1: judicious because if the Russians did indeed intend to hit Poland, Uh, 409 00:22:36,119 --> 00:22:40,399 Speaker 1: this conflict between Russia and Ukraine will get out of 410 00:22:40,400 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 1: hand and no one wants that. But Linda, what should 411 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: the administration be telling lawmakers or maybe already telegraphing to 412 00:22:47,320 --> 00:22:50,000 Speaker 1: Chuck Schumer, and I guess at some point it will 413 00:22:50,040 --> 00:22:52,840 Speaker 1: be to to the speaker, and it looks like that 414 00:22:52,880 --> 00:22:55,480 Speaker 1: will be Kevin McCarthy. We need more money? How much 415 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:59,560 Speaker 1: more well we need this year? I don't have a 416 00:22:59,640 --> 00:23:01,680 Speaker 1: figure for you, but I can tell you what needs 417 00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:05,120 Speaker 1: to be sent. Ukraine needs air defense systems as soon 418 00:23:05,160 --> 00:23:09,399 Speaker 1: as possible. And Ukraine's infrastructure is very, very vulnerable. We 419 00:23:09,440 --> 00:23:13,240 Speaker 1: saw this today. Russia sent a hundred missiles and hit 420 00:23:13,240 --> 00:23:15,800 Speaker 1: a number of targets across the country. In Ukraine is 421 00:23:15,920 --> 00:23:19,440 Speaker 1: very cold and very dark tonight, and if the situation 422 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:21,520 Speaker 1: is only going to get worse if the United States 423 00:23:21,600 --> 00:23:25,480 Speaker 1: and our western allies, Ukraine's western allies don't provide these 424 00:23:25,520 --> 00:23:28,639 Speaker 1: air defense systems. So that's one. Another point though, is 425 00:23:28,800 --> 00:23:32,880 Speaker 1: long range rockets would make a big difference, and we've 426 00:23:32,920 --> 00:23:35,960 Speaker 1: seen the high mar systems have a huge influence on 427 00:23:36,000 --> 00:23:39,680 Speaker 1: the battlefield already. So let's do it now. Everyone wants peace. 428 00:23:39,800 --> 00:23:43,240 Speaker 1: No one wants this war to continue, least of all Ukrainians. 429 00:23:43,240 --> 00:23:45,440 Speaker 1: The best way to end this war is to send 430 00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,159 Speaker 1: all of the heavy equipment and the arms that the 431 00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:53,240 Speaker 1: Ukraine's are sending are requesting now, but that's not enough. Uh. 432 00:23:53,400 --> 00:23:57,120 Speaker 1: We also need to talk about budget support. Our Congress 433 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,399 Speaker 1: has been amazing, Joe. Our Congress has sent a point 434 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:04,000 Speaker 1: five billion with a B to Ukraine to provide budget support, 435 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:06,960 Speaker 1: which sounds so boring and unsexy. What does this means. 436 00:24:07,560 --> 00:24:10,840 Speaker 1: It's money for pensions, it's money for schools, it's for hospitals, 437 00:24:10,880 --> 00:24:13,280 Speaker 1: and it's for railways and that's what's keeping the state 438 00:24:13,320 --> 00:24:16,000 Speaker 1: of floats. And the EU is a lagger. The EU 439 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,080 Speaker 1: promised nine billion with a B and only since three 440 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:21,359 Speaker 1: the Germans are sitting on their hands and they won't 441 00:24:21,400 --> 00:24:24,679 Speaker 1: authorize more money. So that's a big, big problem. But 442 00:24:24,720 --> 00:24:27,720 Speaker 1: we also need to be thinking about winter and authorizing 443 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:31,200 Speaker 1: additional assistance packages so that people don't freeze the death 444 00:24:31,320 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 1: because it's really cold. I love talking to you. Come 445 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:36,640 Speaker 1: in here and talk to us in the studio next 446 00:24:36,640 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: time we Linda Herring your well. You do really important 447 00:24:40,480 --> 00:24:42,520 Speaker 1: work there and I appreciate your bringing it to our listeners. 448 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,000 Speaker 1: The deputy director of the Atlantic Council's Your Agias Center 449 00:24:45,240 --> 00:24:49,400 Speaker 1: on Ukraine, who could say it better. She's actually sounding 450 00:24:49,400 --> 00:24:55,000 Speaker 1: a little bit like Rick Davis with only thirty seconds left. Rick, 451 00:24:55,160 --> 00:24:58,560 Speaker 1: it's time to send the kitchen sink. Yeah, go beggar, 452 00:24:58,600 --> 00:25:00,800 Speaker 1: go home. And I think the point making his right. 453 00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,120 Speaker 1: Let's get NATO into this, Let's get Europe backing them 454 00:25:04,160 --> 00:25:07,440 Speaker 1: as much as we are. We've got friends, Let's take 455 00:25:07,520 --> 00:25:10,600 Speaker 1: them to work. Rick Davis and Jennie Chanzano will be back. 456 00:25:10,640 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 1: We'll reassemble the panel and look ahead to a big 457 00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:17,080 Speaker 1: night at Mara Lago. Yeah, Trump's going forward. Apparently, we 458 00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:20,280 Speaker 1: also have to talk about the leadership struggle on Capitol Hill. 459 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:23,359 Speaker 1: It's been dicey today inside the bubble. I'm Joe Matthew. 460 00:25:23,480 --> 00:25:30,880 Speaker 1: This is Bloomberg. You're listening to Bloomberg who sound on 461 00:25:31,280 --> 00:25:38,119 Speaker 1: with Joe Matthew on Bloomberg Radio. It appears Kevin McCarthy 462 00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:42,240 Speaker 1: will be the person to hold the gavel if Republicans 463 00:25:42,280 --> 00:25:44,760 Speaker 1: closed the deal, and that could happen any minute, one 464 00:25:44,840 --> 00:25:49,600 Speaker 1: seat away from calling the House for the GOP, and indeed, 465 00:25:49,600 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: House Republicans reelected Kevin McCarthy as their leader today. This 466 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: sets up the full vote. But this sent him on 467 00:25:58,560 --> 00:26:01,439 Speaker 1: Conservatives remains a hurdle. As I read on the terminal 468 00:26:02,000 --> 00:26:05,040 Speaker 1: for him, claiming the gavel when the GOP takes charge. 469 00:26:05,200 --> 00:26:07,680 Speaker 1: As expected, he got votes from a hundred eighty eight 470 00:26:07,720 --> 00:26:12,200 Speaker 1: Republicans in what was a closed party leadership election. According 471 00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:15,000 Speaker 1: to two people in the room, a conservative who challenged him, 472 00:26:15,080 --> 00:26:17,560 Speaker 1: we talked about Andy Biggs. He got thirty one votes. 473 00:26:19,480 --> 00:26:21,960 Speaker 1: Just don't tell Matt Gates right now there are a 474 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:26,480 Speaker 1: lot of the establishment Republicans in denial believing that Kevin 475 00:26:26,520 --> 00:26:28,879 Speaker 1: McCarthy can somehow still become speaker. What I'm here to 476 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:32,119 Speaker 1: tell you is there are definitely at least five people, 477 00:26:32,160 --> 00:26:34,679 Speaker 1: actually a lot more than that, who would rather be 478 00:26:34,800 --> 00:26:38,480 Speaker 1: water boarded by Liz Cheney than vote for Kevin McCarthy 479 00:26:38,680 --> 00:26:41,960 Speaker 1: for Speaker of the House. And I'm one of them. Okay, 480 00:26:42,040 --> 00:26:45,480 Speaker 1: Matt Gates of Florida, he spent time rehearsing that one right, 481 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:49,199 Speaker 1: water boarded by Liz Cheney. So it didn't turn out 482 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,600 Speaker 1: quite well. Maybe look, maybe five did vote no after all. 483 00:26:54,600 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 1: Any Biggs got thirty one. So that's done now. At 484 00:26:57,400 --> 00:26:59,040 Speaker 1: least we put that on the back burner as we 485 00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:01,840 Speaker 1: wait for the House to be old. On the Senate side, 486 00:27:02,520 --> 00:27:04,720 Speaker 1: we've got a little leadership battle there too. As I 487 00:27:04,760 --> 00:27:07,880 Speaker 1: read on the terminal GPS. Scott's the challenge McConnell amid 488 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:11,000 Speaker 1: mid term blame game. Yeah, Senator Rick Scott. Of course. 489 00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:13,320 Speaker 1: Mitch McConnell was asked about it the minute he walked 490 00:27:13,320 --> 00:27:17,080 Speaker 1: in the hallway. Well, look, I don't know him this job. Um, 491 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:21,760 Speaker 1: anybody in the conference is certainly entitled to challenge me, 492 00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,400 Speaker 1: and uh welcome the contost. By the way, Rick Scott 493 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: was on Bloomberg News earlier today when he was asked 494 00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,120 Speaker 1: about you know, Donald Trump was the big story. He's 495 00:27:33,160 --> 00:27:36,480 Speaker 1: gonna be announcing the big campaign for the nights. He's 496 00:27:36,520 --> 00:27:38,560 Speaker 1: only got one focus, right, Well, first off, I focused 497 00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:41,080 Speaker 1: on making sure we win in Georgia. I'm focused on 498 00:27:41,200 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 1: make sure that we solve the problems out here. And 499 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:45,639 Speaker 1: there's I think it looks like there's gonna be a 500 00:27:45,640 --> 00:27:48,560 Speaker 1: lot of people interested in running in four Um. I 501 00:27:48,600 --> 00:27:50,720 Speaker 1: don't know if President Trump will announced today he's running, 502 00:27:50,720 --> 00:27:52,320 Speaker 1: but it seems like a lot of people will will 503 00:27:52,359 --> 00:27:54,159 Speaker 1: watch it as it happens. But you know, my belief 504 00:27:54,240 --> 00:27:57,080 Speaker 1: is voters are gonna choose. Well, it turns out Rick 505 00:27:57,119 --> 00:28:01,920 Speaker 1: Scott is running for the leadership. Will challenge Mitch McConnell 506 00:28:03,520 --> 00:28:05,920 Speaker 1: in a closed door meeting tomorrow. Let's reassemble the panel. 507 00:28:05,960 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 1: Rick Davis and Jeannie Chanzano are here Bloomberg Politics contributors. 508 00:28:09,880 --> 00:28:13,840 Speaker 1: This is part of the joy of coming off this 509 00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 1: election for Democrats. Genie is watching this leadership fight, even 510 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:20,080 Speaker 1: if we know or think we know how it's gonna end. 511 00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,679 Speaker 1: McConnell says he's got the votes, but this wouldn't be 512 00:28:22,680 --> 00:28:24,439 Speaker 1: happening right now if things didn't go the way they 513 00:28:24,480 --> 00:28:27,400 Speaker 1: did last Tuesday. Right. Yeah, we've got a few senators 514 00:28:27,440 --> 00:28:30,280 Speaker 1: who who, like Matt Gates, would apparently rather be waterboarded 515 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 1: than support the meeting Canada. And among them not just 516 00:28:34,160 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: Rick Scott, but Josh Holly, Ted Cruz, all coming out 517 00:28:37,240 --> 00:28:40,480 Speaker 1: and making statements saying what we've been doing hasn't been working. 518 00:28:40,520 --> 00:28:42,719 Speaker 1: We need new leadership, and so hence, you know, Rick 519 00:28:42,800 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 1: Scott making this run. You know, it looks like McConnell 520 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: will withstand the fight, but it does set up, you know, 521 00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:53,160 Speaker 1: a really really tough Thanksgiving family meal for the Republicans 522 00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,960 Speaker 1: as they head into the holidays. Mitch McConnell, though, saying 523 00:28:55,960 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 1: that he has the votes to get this, to pull 524 00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:00,360 Speaker 1: this through, and I'm sure you know he would say 525 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:03,480 Speaker 1: that if he didn't write Rick, you know Mitch McConnell 526 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,520 Speaker 1: pretty well, and he's there's a reason why he has 527 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:11,040 Speaker 1: been the leader for so long. Josh Holly is probably 528 00:29:11,040 --> 00:29:12,440 Speaker 1: not going to be the one to change that, or 529 00:29:12,520 --> 00:29:14,840 Speaker 1: Rick s good for that matter. Yeah, you could tell 530 00:29:14,960 --> 00:29:17,480 Speaker 1: even by the clip you played as he said, yeah, 531 00:29:17,520 --> 00:29:23,000 Speaker 1: anybody can run against me. You know, he almost enjoys 532 00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:26,400 Speaker 1: killing off other Republicans, um Cook, I mean, like you 533 00:29:26,520 --> 00:29:29,440 Speaker 1: take yourself out of the moment. I mean, Rick Scott's 534 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,720 Speaker 1: job was to elect a majority, right, and and he 535 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:35,600 Speaker 1: started by saying he was going to cut Medicare and 536 00:29:35,640 --> 00:29:39,240 Speaker 1: Social Security. Brilliant move that didn't slow us down a bit. 537 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,360 Speaker 1: And then he says today on bloom Workers, I think 538 00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,080 Speaker 1: this is the most important quote of the week, which 539 00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,200 Speaker 1: is it wasn't that we had bad candidates, it was 540 00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,080 Speaker 1: that we had bad intensity. So blame the voters for 541 00:29:51,160 --> 00:29:54,040 Speaker 1: the mistakes you made on recruitment. I mean, I just, 542 00:29:54,400 --> 00:29:58,280 Speaker 1: I mean, anybody who watches this play out knows that. 543 00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: You know, it's like Gene he said, if you're at 544 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: Thanksgiving and you've got your family all around, these are 545 00:30:03,680 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 1: the crazy cousins you put at the end. Of the 546 00:30:05,640 --> 00:30:09,400 Speaker 1: table talks to them. That's saying a lot about Rick Scott. 547 00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,600 Speaker 1: Listen to Josh Holly. By the way, this is Holly 548 00:30:13,000 --> 00:30:15,280 Speaker 1: pulled aside by a couple of reporters in the corridor. 549 00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:18,280 Speaker 1: He said he will not it was specific, will not 550 00:30:18,440 --> 00:30:20,560 Speaker 1: vote for Mitch McConnell, and he went on, I think 551 00:30:20,600 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: that this election was the funeral for the Republican Party 552 00:30:22,960 --> 00:30:25,120 Speaker 1: as we know it. The Republican Party is as we 553 00:30:25,200 --> 00:30:28,560 Speaker 1: have known it is dead, and voters have made that clear. 554 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:30,920 Speaker 1: And in particular, the folks who did not vote for 555 00:30:30,960 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 1: Republicans in this last election were independent voters, working class 556 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: independent voters, Folks who voted for President Obama once upon 557 00:30:39,400 --> 00:30:41,520 Speaker 1: a time, Folks who then voted for President Trump but 558 00:30:41,560 --> 00:30:44,640 Speaker 1: stayed home this time. We are not a majority party 559 00:30:44,920 --> 00:30:47,360 Speaker 1: unless we can appeal to those voters. So he's having 560 00:30:47,360 --> 00:30:50,120 Speaker 1: a funeral for your Republican Party, Rick, Does that mean 561 00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:52,640 Speaker 1: that he would be the one to rebuild it? Yeah, 562 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:56,240 Speaker 1: But the people who lost were Josh Holly's guys. I mean, like, 563 00:30:56,400 --> 00:30:59,680 Speaker 1: this is the maga wing of the party that he represents. 564 00:31:00,120 --> 00:31:03,360 Speaker 1: It's a fringe element, and I think the voters made 565 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:07,720 Speaker 1: that selection loud and clear, we do not want people 566 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:10,840 Speaker 1: like this in the United States Senate. And so I 567 00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:13,160 Speaker 1: think Josh Holly ought to look in the mirror and say, yeah, 568 00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,760 Speaker 1: maybe we aren't picking the right kind of candidates that 569 00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:19,080 Speaker 1: part of the party. If you believe Josh Holly is dead, great, 570 00:31:19,320 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 1: then you can have a new part of the party 571 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,600 Speaker 1: that maybe represents a broader majority that can win elections. 572 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 1: Or maybe tonight at Mara a Lago, Genie will be 573 00:31:28,120 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: like that hand that comes out of the water at 574 00:31:30,120 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 1: the end of the horror movie. In order to make 575 00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: our country successful and safe and glorious, I will very, 576 00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,440 Speaker 1: very very probably do it again. Okay, he may have 577 00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,600 Speaker 1: had a fourth ferry in one of those lines. Genie, 578 00:31:44,600 --> 00:31:48,960 Speaker 1: this is happening apparently, regardless of what Republicans around him 579 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:52,640 Speaker 1: are saying, which is, at least wait until the Georgia runoff. Yeah, 580 00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 1: they're begging for him to wait. But I like what 581 00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:57,160 Speaker 1: Ken Griffin said. He called him a three time loser. 582 00:31:57,240 --> 00:32:01,080 Speaker 1: He was, yeah, and he is. He can very very 583 00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:04,440 Speaker 1: very whatever he wants. But this is a disaster for Republicans. 584 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 1: And you know, all Democrats have to do is just 585 00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:10,760 Speaker 1: imagine that. You know, Josh Holly Ted Cruz, Donald Trump. 586 00:32:11,000 --> 00:32:13,520 Speaker 1: They seem to be working for the Democratic Party because 587 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,600 Speaker 1: it's hard to imagine that somebody like Katie Hobbs wins 588 00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:20,960 Speaker 1: in a place like Arizona unless they are nominating the 589 00:32:21,040 --> 00:32:24,400 Speaker 1: craziest among them. And so this has been a boon 590 00:32:24,560 --> 00:32:28,120 Speaker 1: for Democrats, not because Democrats were incredibly successful or voters 591 00:32:28,120 --> 00:32:30,080 Speaker 1: were very happy with what was happening in the country, 592 00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 1: but because Republicans are nominating crazy candidates. And McConnell was 593 00:32:34,360 --> 00:32:36,600 Speaker 1: right on that. And I'm no big fan of Mitch McConnell, 594 00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:38,320 Speaker 1: but you got to give him credit. Early on he 595 00:32:38,360 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 1: said candidates mattered. They do. Donald Trump endorse these candidates, 596 00:32:41,680 --> 00:32:44,320 Speaker 1: and it's been a disaster for Republicans ever since. That 597 00:32:44,360 --> 00:32:46,600 Speaker 1: line from Ken Griffin was something Rick that, of course, 598 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:52,000 Speaker 1: the CEO of Citadel who moved from Chicago to Florida. Listen, 599 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:57,960 Speaker 1: he lost, We lost Georgia because of his behavior in 600 00:32:57,960 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: the Senate race. In that's the second loss. And then 601 00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:04,480 Speaker 1: this year the Republicans lost the Senate because the Trump 602 00:33:04,520 --> 00:33:08,200 Speaker 1: back candidates in the Senate races were rejected by American voters. 603 00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200 Speaker 1: That's a three time loser. And I'd like to think 604 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:13,920 Speaker 1: that the Republican Party is ready to move on from 605 00:33:13,960 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: somebody who's been for this party, a three time loser, Rick. 606 00:33:16,680 --> 00:33:18,720 Speaker 1: Most of us would have, you know, gone back to 607 00:33:18,800 --> 00:33:21,880 Speaker 1: bed if they were talking about us. But I hear 608 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:25,360 Speaker 1: that three time loser, and that's that's just the kind 609 00:33:25,400 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 1: of thing that energizes Donald Trump, that makes him want 610 00:33:27,800 --> 00:33:30,880 Speaker 1: to announce tonight, doesn't it It doesn't dissuade him. I 611 00:33:30,880 --> 00:33:33,840 Speaker 1: don't think he really cares about anybody else but himself, 612 00:33:33,960 --> 00:33:36,120 Speaker 1: right in the sense of like, what am I gonna do? 613 00:33:36,240 --> 00:33:38,760 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, Ken Griffin says, I'm a loser. That's gonna 614 00:33:38,800 --> 00:33:41,239 Speaker 1: stop me from running for president? No? No, probably not 615 00:33:41,320 --> 00:33:43,600 Speaker 1: likely they want to do it more. I do think 616 00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,080 Speaker 1: he loves the media. He loves to be seen in 617 00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:49,840 Speaker 1: the media, and even sometimes you know, angrily. But when 618 00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:52,480 Speaker 1: things like the New York Post, in the Wall Street 619 00:33:52,560 --> 00:33:55,960 Speaker 1: Journal and and Fox turn against him, that I think 620 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: does have an impact because that is how he gets 621 00:33:58,640 --> 00:34:01,080 Speaker 1: his message out. Uh, And he doesn't have to pay 622 00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,520 Speaker 1: for it. You can use their budgets and and without 623 00:34:03,600 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: that available and I think basically Rupert Murdoch has said 624 00:34:07,080 --> 00:34:10,280 Speaker 1: the same thing, which is we're done with you Trump. Um, 625 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:12,160 Speaker 1: I think he's gonna have a lot of trouble and 626 00:34:12,200 --> 00:34:14,279 Speaker 1: if anything will slow him down and make him think 627 00:34:14,400 --> 00:34:17,440 Speaker 1: that will well. This other this other guy he was 628 00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:20,560 Speaker 1: observing with in the White House. Name is Mike Pence. 629 00:34:21,320 --> 00:34:24,120 Speaker 1: Out with not one but two televised interviews last night, 630 00:34:24,160 --> 00:34:27,240 Speaker 1: the first ABC than did any wanted to talk to Hannity? 631 00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,480 Speaker 1: By the way, if you look at the contrast of 632 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:31,839 Speaker 1: those sets, you know, they're like this dark, smoky room 633 00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: on ABC, you hardly see each other. Hannity is like 634 00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:37,120 Speaker 1: a seven eleven that all the lights are on the 635 00:34:37,120 --> 00:34:40,399 Speaker 1: fluorescent line. Anyway, Mike Pence asked the big question by 636 00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,239 Speaker 1: David Muir. Did I get that right on the rules? David? Yeah, David, 637 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:46,800 Speaker 1: Given all that you witnessed in the capital on that day, 638 00:34:47,120 --> 00:34:50,359 Speaker 1: this is a pretty straightforward question. Yes or no? Do 639 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:52,840 Speaker 1: you believe that Donald Trump should ever be president? Again? 640 00:34:52,880 --> 00:34:56,120 Speaker 1: Plain and simple? Here you go, David. I think that's 641 00:34:56,200 --> 00:35:00,399 Speaker 1: up to the American people. But I think have better 642 00:35:00,480 --> 00:35:04,319 Speaker 1: choices in the future. Okay, better choices. But why not 643 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:06,880 Speaker 1: just say no about the guy who wanted to have 644 00:35:07,000 --> 00:35:09,879 Speaker 1: you killed? Rick? Yeah? Why not just say no? I mean, 645 00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:13,920 Speaker 1: like why finesset? Uh? You know, I couldn't understand that 646 00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,840 Speaker 1: interview because it's almost like he wanted to, you know, 647 00:35:16,880 --> 00:35:19,680 Speaker 1: make a definitive statement, but he just couldn't bring himself 648 00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:21,319 Speaker 1: to doing it, you know, and so we are left 649 00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:24,000 Speaker 1: to fill in the blanks, and you know, it's it's 650 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,520 Speaker 1: not the profile of courage I was looking for. Then 651 00:35:26,520 --> 00:35:29,080 Speaker 1: we heard from Rhonda Santas today, Jinny. He actually responded 652 00:35:29,120 --> 00:35:31,000 Speaker 1: to some of the stuff he's been hearing from Donald Trump, 653 00:35:31,000 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: who claims to have rescued his political career and coming 654 00:35:34,520 --> 00:35:36,840 Speaker 1: off the elections last week. Here's how the governor of 655 00:35:36,880 --> 00:35:39,839 Speaker 1: Florida put it all. That's just noise and really what 656 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:42,839 Speaker 1: matters is are you leading, are you getting in front 657 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:46,440 Speaker 1: of issues, are you delivering results for people? And are 658 00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,919 Speaker 1: you standing up for folks? And if you do that, 659 00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:52,520 Speaker 1: then none of that stuff matters. And that's what we've done. 660 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,400 Speaker 1: We focused on results and leadership, and uh, you know, 661 00:35:56,400 --> 00:35:59,120 Speaker 1: at the end of the day, I would just tell 662 00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,040 Speaker 1: people to go check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night. 663 00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 1: Check out the scoreboard from last Tuesday night. We just 664 00:36:05,719 --> 00:36:09,320 Speaker 1: put Katie Hobbs on that scoreboard as well, Jennie. Donald 665 00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:12,319 Speaker 1: Trump must be climbing the walls today. He's got to be. 666 00:36:12,400 --> 00:36:14,879 Speaker 1: But you notice their rhondescant is still not calling out 667 00:36:14,920 --> 00:36:17,960 Speaker 1: Trump directly. And you know, we have to remember what 668 00:36:18,160 --> 00:36:22,840 Speaker 1: compels Trump to run in in large part that attacked 669 00:36:22,840 --> 00:36:25,960 Speaker 1: by Barack Obama on him at the White House Correspondensider, 670 00:36:26,040 --> 00:36:28,680 Speaker 1: those attacks matter to him, Ken Griffin will matter a 671 00:36:28,719 --> 00:36:32,360 Speaker 1: lot to him. It's just he can't take it. Rick Davis, 672 00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,000 Speaker 1: thank you, Gennie, Thank you as well, Jennie Chanzano. They 673 00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:38,000 Speaker 1: make up our signature panel on the fastest hour in politics, 674 00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,680 Speaker 1: the speeches at nine. We'll watch it together virtually. Pop 675 00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,560 Speaker 1: your corn. I'll meet you back here tomorrow. This is 676 00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:45,000 Speaker 1: bloomber