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Speaker 1: we are live. It is the Herd wherever you may be,

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Speaker 1: however you may be watching or listening. Thank you for

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Speaker 1: making us part of your day. Jamac You and I

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Speaker 1: didn't have a very good week. It was a weird,

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Speaker 1: weird week. But when you dig deep on Detroit, you

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Speaker 1: know we talked about this brand new co ordinators. Don't

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Speaker 1: take week one to two seriously or the preseason. It

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Speaker 1: looks like they've righted the ship. They looked like Detroit

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Speaker 1: the last several years, physically upfront, pushing people around.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it questions about the Baltimore Ravens. Hopefully you can

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Speaker 4: answer it all right.

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Speaker 1: So last night was the perfect example of how you

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Speaker 1: beat a superstar quarterback when you're the road team. Detroit

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Speaker 1: dominates time of possession, they're aggressive on fourth down, they

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Speaker 1: convert in the red zone, no field goals, we're getting touchdowns.

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Speaker 3: They bullied the home Ravens.

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Speaker 1: For three and a half hours, super aggressive. And you

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Speaker 1: think of Baltimore as tough and physical and resilient. Now

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Speaker 1: this defense is just as soft as the Dallas Cowboys defense.

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Speaker 1: Baltimore's last in total defense. They surrender a ton of yards.

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear about the pass rushers they

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Speaker 1: were missing. That wasn't about pass rushing last night. They

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Speaker 1: invested a lot of money in Kyle Hamilton Rowan Smith,

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Speaker 1: their top two draft picks. They got over one hundred

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Speaker 1: million on defense, and then they're soft and by week

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Speaker 1: four and five in the NFL season, we're getting to

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Speaker 1: be a quarter of the way through it. Some of

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Speaker 1: your problems you can't solve unless at the trading deadline

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Speaker 1: you take a big swing. So this was three and

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Speaker 1: a half hours of total domination. It may have been

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Speaker 1: thirty eight to thirty It felt like forty eight to seventeen.

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Speaker 1: And here's the weird thing is that Lamar Jackson is

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Speaker 1: so explosive that when he does lead a scoring drive,

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Speaker 1: it's often very quick. So they send that crappy defense

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Speaker 3: They don't get any rest.

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Speaker 1: So the Ravens bizarrely have the second fewest plays per

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Speaker 1: so they don't play complimentary football. And if you look

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Speaker 1: at the last ten Super Bowls, which is twenty total teams,

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Speaker 1: there's been one awful defense Atlanta. What happened to Atlanta

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Speaker 1: in that Super Bowl? They blew a huge lead. You're

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Speaker 1: not a Super Bowl team with that defense. So the

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Speaker 1: Ravens have a huge dilemma, which I don't know if

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Speaker 1: it's solvable, is that they score because they're so dynamic

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Speaker 1: with Lamar Jackson, He's so gifted. They score quickly, and

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Speaker 1: then the defense doesn't get a rest. It goes right

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Speaker 1: back onto the field. It's not complimentary football. Like last year,

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Speaker 1: the Lions defense stunk, but the Lions were number two

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Speaker 1: at least they kept their average defense on the sidelines

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Speaker 1: and they won fifteen games. That's not what Baltimore does.

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Speaker 1: Plus they got a Dereck Henry fumbles in imperfect times issue.

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Speaker 1: So and again by week four, week five, you know

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Speaker 1: you kind of you kind of know what your issues are.

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Lions had ninety six yard drive and

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Speaker 3: They did whatever they wanted to do.

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Speaker 1: And if you look at the Baltimore game, their defense

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Speaker 1: So I went this morning and looked at the Ravens defense,

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Speaker 1: they were missing a double pass rushers. That wasn't about

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Speaker 1: score too quickly if you are weak defensively. We've talked

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Speaker 5: The biggest problem is we didn't play good run defense.

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Speaker 5: I mean, we didn't as a defense complete. We didn't

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Speaker 5: do it. And that's not going to be good enough.

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Speaker 5: There's nobody in that locker room that thinks that's good enough.

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Speaker 5: That's disappointing, that's bad run defense, and that's not who

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Speaker 5: it's not going to be good enough. It's not going

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Speaker 5: to be acceptable, and it's got to be better.

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Speaker 1: So again, when you get to this point of the season,

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Speaker 1: a corner. Ravens have to figure out something defensively. Now

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Speaker 1: they will have pass rushers return, which could help them

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Speaker 1: in close games late if they have a lead, But

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Speaker 1: right now this defense is just not good and they've

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Speaker 1: invested in it, and it was a major problem last night.

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Speaker 1: Let's talk lines, Let's give him some credit. So there's

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Speaker 1: a big difference. It's a fine line, but there is

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Speaker 1: a difference between stubborn guy and guy who has a

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Speaker 1: very strong self belief. And I initially thought Dan Campbell

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Speaker 1: now that they have really good personnel, he's self belief guy.

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Speaker 1: He's never wavered on what he does. He's go for

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Speaker 1: it guy. When they went for it with a buck

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Speaker 1: thought Dan was reckless in his first couple of years

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Speaker 1: because going forward on fourth down with average players is dumb.

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Speaker 1: Detroit drafts really well, they got a great front office

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Speaker 1: going for it last night. I would have run. I

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Speaker 1: think we all thought they were gonna run. But on

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Speaker 1: the two big fourth downs, the one of the goal

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Speaker 1: really clever. Both of those caught you off guard. They

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Speaker 1: don't have a touch push, and yet the last three

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Speaker 1: years they're number one in the league on fourth down conversions.

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Speaker 3: They don't have a touch push.

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Speaker 1: They have a golf hands it off, give it to Gibbs,

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Speaker 3: So again there's a.

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Speaker 1: Fine line between stubborn guy and hey, I believe in

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Speaker 1: what we are. And Dan Campbell took over a very

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Speaker 1: flimsy franchise. The Lions always had talent, Barry Sanders, Matt Stafford,

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Speaker 1: And so Dan came into a fault and said, we're

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Speaker 1: going to be tough, relentless and physical and super aggressive.

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Speaker 1: And again I was like, I don't know, but going

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Speaker 1: forward on fourth down, it's got a Jim Harbaugh feel

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Speaker 1: to it. It's completely authentic, and he's not wavering. This

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Speaker 1: is who he is. Home or away, good team are bad,

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Speaker 1: He's gonna go for it. And here's Dan Campbell.

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Speaker 6: After I got a tremendous amount of trust in those guys,

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Speaker 6: and that that's been built up now in five years,

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Speaker 6: you're right, and that helps and that offensive line, the

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Speaker 6: way they were playing, and we just felt like that

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Speaker 6: was we felt like that was the right call. And

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Speaker 6: it's man, it's those guys. It's the players. Man, They're

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Speaker 6: the ones who make this stuff come to life. And

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Speaker 6: they've earned that trust, you know, and they just once again, Man,

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Speaker 6: they step up and make huge plays at critical times

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Speaker 6: and it's I mean, it's unbelievable.

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Speaker 7: It really is.

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Speaker 6: It's a thing of beauty.

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Speaker 1: If you look at the best teams in this league,

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Speaker 1: you almost never ask what are they? Like the Chargers

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Speaker 1: in hardball, what are they? Physical? Aggressive? What are the Lions?

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Speaker 1: You have never asked what Dan Campbell like? What are

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Speaker 1: they They've had bad stretches, they've had bad defenses. You

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Speaker 1: always know what they are. They are hyper aggressive. In

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Speaker 1: the best days of the Ravens, when they were winning

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Speaker 1: Super Bowls, they were physical. You didn't want to play

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Speaker 1: the Ravens like the Patriots would.

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Speaker 3: Go into games.

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Speaker 1: But Tom Brady said it, Yeah, I didn't really love

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Speaker 1: playing those teams. Those teams you felt you were sore

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Speaker 1: the next three days. And that's a big part. Like

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Speaker 1: the Tush push the Eagles, you never doubt what they are.

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Speaker 1: And there's a lot of talented players in this league.

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Speaker 1: But go look at the standings this morning, and if

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Speaker 1: what they stand for. Eber Flus, head coach of the Bears,

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Speaker 1: the time? Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins, they're fast. You

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Speaker 1: but it's not a complimentary football team. You cannot win

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl. You can't win a World Series with a

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Speaker 1: bad bullpen. You can't leak runs in the seven, eighth,

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Speaker 1: really bad defense, because even if you outplay a team

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Speaker 1: You'll give that lead up eventually. And I look at

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Speaker 1: Baltimore last night and unlike no, that team can't win

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Speaker 1: a super Bowl at their current state, at their current roster.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they can win a Super Bowl.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting.

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Speaker 8: I think they started zero to two last year and

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Speaker 8: then peeled off five in a row. But there's only

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Speaker 8: six teams in the AFC colum right now with a

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Speaker 8: winning record, that's it. And one of them is like

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Speaker 8: the Colts, you know, and the other with Jaguars. So

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Speaker 8: the AFC is actually down and I feel like Baltimore

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Speaker 1: I have a theory on this, Okay, So in the

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Speaker 1: last two years, I believe the NFC is caught up

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Speaker 1: and surpassed the AFC. So what happened was AFC teams.

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Speaker 1: There are a lot of bad AFC teams like Buffalo

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Speaker 1: a very good team. And at Chargers, what are they?

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Speaker 1: Philip Rivers is getting old? They were a lot. And

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Speaker 1: then all these AFC teams hit on quarterbacks Josh Allen,

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Speaker 1: Joe Burrow, Lamar Jackson, Well, I mean to some degree,

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Speaker 1: like Trevor Lawrences, justin Herbert. So when you didn't have

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Speaker 1: to pay Patrick Mahomes Kansas City, when you didn't have

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Speaker 1: to pay those quarterbacks. Yet the top of the NFL

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Speaker 1: Kansas City is Cincinnati, Buffalo. Now you have to pay

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Speaker 1: your star quarterbacks. What happens those teams in the AFC's

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Speaker 1: So sometimes it takes a while for the truth to

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Speaker 8: All right, Let's go to the Green Bay Packers, Colin.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a very young team and young players don't

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Speaker 1: There's too many good coaches, too many good players.

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Speaker 8: What am I missing?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he comes on our show later today. Oh and

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Speaker 1: Jackson got hammered last night. Jordan loved this weekend got hammered.

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Speaker 1: So to have a quarterback that's big enough and physically

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Speaker 1: strong enough to be able to hand handle those hits.

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Speaker 1: There's not a lot of great old lions in the league,

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Speaker 1: you can name them, but there's a ton of good

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Speaker 1: pass rushers. So I mean it's I mean, I think

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Speaker 1: so much of this league for quarterbacks is availability and durability.

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Speaker 1: And it's amazing how often Herbert gets hit and just

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Speaker 1: bounces right back up.

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Speaker 8: And I know there's this narrative, Oh, well, what is

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Speaker 8: Herbert won like that? That's a little goofy. He was

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Speaker 8: throwing to tight ends in lad McConkey last year. That

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Speaker 8: Keenan Allen move. You know, we could look back on

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Speaker 8: this in January and be like that was one of

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Speaker 8: the three biggest acquisitions in the offseason because with Keenan Allen,

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Speaker 8: doesn't Herbert just look he looks so confident throwing to

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Speaker 8: this guy.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing that he's done is he's empowered

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Speaker 1: the players there were already there. Quentin Johnson looked like

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Speaker 1: a bust and now Quinton Johnson is absolutely a huge part.

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Speaker 1: He is their downfield pass attack. So again, Hardball creates

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Speaker 1: this self belief where he loves and believes in his players,

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Speaker 1: and Quinton Johnson had a drop issue and drop issues

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Speaker 1: or often confidence, you know, lack of confidence. Quintin Johnson

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Speaker 1: will still drop some balls, but he is a big

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Speaker 1: part of this offense.

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Speaker 8: And by the way, the final note, we had him

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Speaker 8: on the show when I filled in a dicker.

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Speaker 4: A kicker.

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Speaker 8: Yeah, he's like automatic. He's not quite Brandon Aubrey, but

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Speaker 8: he's like maybe the second best kicker in the league

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Speaker 8: at this point. Chargers are so well built special teams

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Speaker 8: as we know, matters significantly right now. In the NFL

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Speaker 8: Final story comments, the Eagles in their comeback win over

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Speaker 8: the Rams was pretty thrilling. Remember the offense was struggled

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Speaker 8: in the first half, had like thirty three yards, then

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Speaker 8: went off in the second half. So there were some

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Speaker 8: theory floating around that Jalen Hurts was calling plays. I

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Speaker 8: don't know if you saw this, and of course Nick

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Speaker 8: Siriani walk around guy who likes to take credit.

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Speaker 2: Here we go, Kevin.

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Speaker 12: Called the plays yesterday in that second half. Jalen but

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Speaker 12: making no mistake about it, Like Jalen does a great

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Speaker 12: job of communicating.

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Speaker 7: Jalen sees the field really, really really well.

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Speaker 12: He can come back and tell you what happened without

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Speaker 12: even looking at the picture, and then you look at

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Speaker 12: the picture like, yeah, that's exactly what happened. Jalen has

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Speaker 12: a great feel for how that's going. And so there

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Speaker 12: there's communication, right, there's talk through it. You know, everything

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Speaker 12: like that. You know, But yeah, Kevin, Kevin called the plays.

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Speaker 12: Kevin will continue to call the plays.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it doesn't really matter. All I know is Hurts

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Speaker 1: had a great second half. He is inconsistent, he has

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Speaker 1: bad halves, but in that second half.

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Speaker 4: Let's settle down.

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Speaker 8: I know you, I know you're like, like Hurts, you

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Speaker 8: don't love him, Colin.

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Speaker 4: You love that Rams defense. They're an elite unit.

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Speaker 8: I look what he did in the second half against

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Speaker 8: seventeen of twenty four two nine three studies.

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Speaker 4: Jill Hurts is elite, okay. And sometimes when listen, when

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Speaker 4: you're struggling, sometimes.

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Speaker 8: You just toss it up to j Mack and I'll

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Speaker 8: see if I can.

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Speaker 4: Bail you out. He was doing that with AJ Brown?

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Speaker 3: Was he not second half of Jay?

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Speaker 8: Let me just throw it to AJ Brown. He's catching everything.

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Speaker 8: Poor guy on the Rams.

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Speaker 1: Well, it also it was a good lost to the

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Speaker 1: Rams because they see they have an unsolvable problem.

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Speaker 3: Like the Ravens.

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Speaker 1: They need a big, long corner. They need some corner.

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Speaker 1: You're not beating the Eagles and AJ Brown. You're gonna

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Speaker 1: get beet eventually if you're the Rams. If I don't

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Speaker 1: care who it's going to be. But AJ Brown is

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Speaker 1: a problem for the Rams secondary they don't have any

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Speaker 1: personnel to stop him. He dominated physically those players.

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Speaker 4: Frankly, not a lot of teams do.

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Speaker 8: But I think you're right, like the idea of a

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Speaker 8: shopping list for teams like the Rams. They got to

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Speaker 8: go get a cornerback, you know. And I'm very curious

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Speaker 8: the Eagles this week they face the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

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Speaker 8: Mike Evans. They just announces out. Do the Eagles have

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Speaker 8: any needs, Colin Or are they like, hey, we're super

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Speaker 8: Bowl ready. We got to tell you Russ Watt, Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Maybe maybe another corner somewhere. M Yeah, that would be it.

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Speaker 3: Jmack with the news.

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Speaker 2: Well that's the news, and thanks for stopping by the line.

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Speaker 1: So this is breaking news. It is what most of

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Speaker 1: us predicted. You the fans predicted it. It was pretty

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Speaker 1: easy to see coming. The New York Giants have named

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart as the news starter. The Giants are owen three.

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Speaker 1: Outside of that Dallas game, they can't move the ball.

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Speaker 1: Jay Mack and I have discussed this before. I don't

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Speaker 1: ever remember a quarterback going from elite to nobody wants

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Speaker 1: to be his coach faster than Russell Wilson, Sean Payton,

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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll both moved off him quickly. He went to

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Speaker 1: the Steelers, they moved off him, and now Brian Dabole

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Speaker 1: is moving off him as a starter. So Jackson Dart, again,

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Speaker 1: you had a very small sample size, but my take

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Speaker 1: is there's five or six quarterbacks next year that could

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Speaker 1: go in the first or early second round or about there. Right,

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Speaker 1: you got to figure out if Jackson Dart's the guy.

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Speaker 1: I'm not looking for wins with Jackson Dart. I don't

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Speaker 1: care if he wins, wins game. Is he comfortable? Does

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Speaker 1: he see the field? You know?

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Speaker 3: My take is the.

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Speaker 1: Russell Wilson thing. I've never seen anything like it. Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson did not have a major injury, and Pete Carroll

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Speaker 1: couldn't get rid of them fast enough. Sean Payton's like

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Speaker 1: I'm done. Pittsburgh moved off him and the Giants. Now

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Speaker 1: after three games, it's enough, so we'll see this is

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Speaker 1: not a team that's gonna win a lot of games.

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Speaker 1: The good news for the Giants is they're going to

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Speaker 1: have a top five or six draft pick, and you

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Speaker 1: got a lot more leverage. There's gonna be a lot

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Speaker 1: of teams needing a quarterback, and if Jackson Dark can

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Speaker 1: play and you discover it here in the next ten

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Speaker 1: weeks thirteen weeks, you don't need a quarterback. I don't

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Speaker 1: know the answer to that. I thought he was kind

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Speaker 1: of a second round guy. But I also thought shade

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Speaker 1: Or Sanders was a late first second round guy, and

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Speaker 1: he dropped to the fifth here's another speaking of guys

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Speaker 1: who have had doubters. So at the end of yesterday's show,

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Speaker 1: I made a point of informing the audience that the

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Speaker 1: highest graded quarterback in the NFL this year.

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Speaker 3: Is not Josh Allen.

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Speaker 1: It's Slinging Sammy Darnold, former USC Trojan, a guy I

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Speaker 1: have since I saw him as a sophomore with the Trojans,

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Speaker 1: and it was interesting. I was thinking about this morning,

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Speaker 1: between Baker Mayfield and Sam Donald's resurgence. If you go

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Speaker 1: back to that draft class that also included Josh Allen

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Speaker 1: and Lamar Jackson, four different quarterbacks who have made the

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Speaker 1: Pro Bowl. It's one of the best quarterback classes in hindsight.

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Speaker 1: In thirty years, you have four Pro Bowl quarterbacks and

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Speaker 1: two MVPs. Not a lot of quarterback draft that. The

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Speaker 1: one coming up this year is not going to give

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Speaker 1: you that. So at some point all of them were doubted.

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Speaker 1: Lamar Jackson out of college was doubted can he play quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Josh Allen's first year it was a turnover disaster, more

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Speaker 1: picks than touchdowns. Sam Donald multiple issues, Baker mostly maturity issues.

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Speaker 1: So the last two years the number say Sam is

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Speaker 1: the winningest quarterback in the league and is the best

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Speaker 1: big play quarterback in the league. Now, do I think

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Speaker 1: Donald's the best quarterback in the league.

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Speaker 13: I do not.

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Speaker 1: Do I think he's a top five quarterback, I do not.

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Speaker 1: But I always said he is a French quarterback, big, tough, athletic, coachable,

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Speaker 1: leadership skills. Players, teammates love him and ask yourself what

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Speaker 1: are the Panthers and the Jets done since he left?

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Speaker 1: But Darnold's the classic example. He needs structure. It's just

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Speaker 1: like some kids manage themselves. A lot of young kids

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Speaker 1: need strong guidance from parents, and then if you have

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Speaker 1: three or four kids, one of them kind of manages himself.

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Speaker 1: Not everybody needs a trainer to stay in shape. They're

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Speaker 1: self motivated. A lot of people need guidance, a trainer

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Speaker 1: and help, something.

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Speaker 4: To push them.

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Speaker 1: Sam needs structure. Even last year with the Vikings, he

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Speaker 1: had about a five game stretch, Reckless came back. So Seattle,

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Speaker 1: what are they? Excellent defense? One of the top two

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Speaker 1: three run cententric teams in the NFL. So they create

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Speaker 1: a structure. Sam, We're going to be run first, a

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Speaker 1: lot of play action and Sam, you won't have to

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Speaker 1: get in track meets nobody's scoring thirty on us. So

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Speaker 1: that gives Sam the classic structure which he has always

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Speaker 1: thrived that. But he can get loose, even with Kevin O'Connell,

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Speaker 1: justin Jefferson, he can get loose. Got to bring him

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Speaker 1: back in and again, some kids manage themselves. Some people

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Speaker 1: don't need a trainer. Those are that's very rare. Most people,

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Speaker 1: myself included, I need structure. Sam needs it. And Matt

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Speaker 1: hasselback earlier this week on what Seattle has created and

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Speaker 1: provided to allow Darnold to flourish.

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Speaker 14: When offensive linemen get to fire out and play run

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Speaker 14: action at least half the time, it helps everything. And

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Speaker 14: I think that's the thing that some people do well.

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Speaker 14: Some people talk about it but don't do it as well. Seattle,

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Speaker 14: I would say week two and week three, they've figured

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Speaker 14: that out, so you know, if you can continue that,

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Speaker 14: I think that Sam Donald can have the kind of

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Speaker 14: year that he had last year without Kevin O'Connell, without

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Speaker 14: Justin Jefferson. He's playing really, really good football right now.

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Speaker 3: Look at that draft class.

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Speaker 1: We thought it was two stars and a bunch of misses,

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Speaker 1: and now it's Alan MVP, Lamar MVP, and Baker and

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Speaker 1: Donald on really team friendly deals have made Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 1: So again, Baker is a better fit.

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Speaker 3: In Tampa than Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: Donald great fit in Minnesota that tried to resign him.

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Speaker 1: Excellent fit in Seattle because they've created limited they've credit

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Speaker 1: great structure. They're not asking him to throw forty five

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Speaker 1: times a game. There's about three quarterbacks in the world

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Speaker 1: that can do that, and one of them Justin Herberts

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Speaker 1: around the corner, plus Herd Hierarchy, Nick Wright, Greg Olsen,

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Speaker 1: great showing a Tuesday, It's the Herd.

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Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays

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Speaker 2: and noon Easter not a Empacific.

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Speaker 1: Well, no quarterback in the last two decades for the

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Speaker 1: Chargers has been hit as many times as Justin Herbert

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Speaker 1: got hit against the Denver Broncos. The obviously they've got

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Speaker 1: some offensive line injuries. The Broncos are a great front

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Speaker 1: and Justin Herbert, one of the most likable, humble guys,

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Speaker 1: has given us ten minutes today, which I totally appreciate that.

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Speaker 1: And he knows that he's joining us live. So Harball

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Speaker 1: said yesterday, Jim is funny. He's like, you know, Justin

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Speaker 1: gets hit, he never shows that, he never wins his

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Speaker 1: yet he's just.

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Speaker 3: Like a superpower.

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Speaker 1: And I thought, driving in today, I thought, do you

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Speaker 1: ever get hit Sunday and it really hurts? I mean

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Speaker 1: it really hurts, but you know you have to go

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Speaker 1: back into the huddle and you can't show that. Are

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Speaker 1: you ever in some pain and you're just masking it

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Speaker 1: and not letting your teammates know?

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Speaker 13: Yeah, well for some thanks for having me. I always

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Speaker 13: always look forward to being on the show.

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Speaker 7: And that is a good question.

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00:33:58,080 --> 00:33:59,400
Speaker 13: There were a couple times in the game where I

652
00:33:59,440 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 13: was maybe a little slow to get up got back

653
00:34:01,640 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 13: to the huddle, and you know, I might have called

654
00:34:03,160 --> 00:34:04,800
Speaker 13: the play a little slower for the guys, and so

655
00:34:04,840 --> 00:34:07,600
Speaker 13: they might have recognized that. But as long as coach

656
00:34:07,640 --> 00:34:09,799
Speaker 13: Harbaugh thinks that, then you know, that's that's great for.

657
00:34:09,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Me, justin when you get hit. And again, all quarterbacks

658
00:34:15,040 --> 00:34:17,879
Speaker 1: get hit. Lamar Jackson last night got sacked seven times.

659
00:34:17,880 --> 00:34:20,680
Speaker 1: It's the reality of the NFL. There's great athletes up front.

660
00:34:21,680 --> 00:34:24,200
Speaker 1: How do you not hear footsteps? How does it not

661
00:34:24,320 --> 00:34:26,160
Speaker 1: affect you later in a game?

662
00:34:27,760 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's a really tough thing.

663
00:34:29,160 --> 00:34:31,760
Speaker 13: And I think that's part of playing quarterback, of understanding

664
00:34:31,760 --> 00:34:34,040
Speaker 13: that you know you're going to get hit and the

665
00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,880
Speaker 13: defenses that you're going up against are really fast and athletic,

666
00:34:36,960 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 13: and you just got to have enough time to get

667
00:34:39,440 --> 00:34:41,920
Speaker 13: the ball off and understand that those split seconds of

668
00:34:42,080 --> 00:34:44,120
Speaker 13: you know, if I stand in the pod for you know,

669
00:34:44,280 --> 00:34:45,640
Speaker 13: just a half second more, I can get the ball

670
00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:46,760
Speaker 13: off and we can have a big play.

671
00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:48,879
Speaker 7: It makes it all worth it.

672
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:51,040
Speaker 13: And obviously we do a great job taking care of

673
00:34:51,040 --> 00:34:53,040
Speaker 13: our bodies, and you know, we've got a training staffs

674
00:34:53,040 --> 00:34:56,320
Speaker 13: I get to none, so knowing that you feel comfortable

675
00:34:56,360 --> 00:34:56,919
Speaker 13: going out there.

676
00:34:57,320 --> 00:35:00,000
Speaker 1: So the first time Jim Harbaugh came up to you

677
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,120
Speaker 1: pre game and it started banging on your shoulder pads,

678
00:35:03,840 --> 00:35:05,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's what he does now, and I actually

679
00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,800
Speaker 1: think there it works. It kind of like it startles

680
00:35:08,840 --> 00:35:11,920
Speaker 1: you you're getting the good Jim. I thought Jim was

681
00:35:11,960 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 1: a little crazy, and then he came to the Chargers

682
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:21,560
Speaker 1: and he's like likable Jim and funny Jim. I mean

683
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:24,719
Speaker 1: that's all you know, right, you only know that Jim.

684
00:35:25,680 --> 00:35:27,480
Speaker 13: Yeah, that's that's all we know. We just know the

685
00:35:27,480 --> 00:35:32,479
Speaker 13: most authentic competitor. You know. He cares so much about

686
00:35:32,480 --> 00:35:35,320
Speaker 13: the team, about winning, about football, and he'd do anything

687
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:38,000
Speaker 13: for us. And you know when I first got on

688
00:35:38,040 --> 00:35:40,520
Speaker 13: the sideline and he was hitting my pads and things

689
00:35:40,520 --> 00:35:42,279
Speaker 13: like that, I just thought it was awesome. He kind

690
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:44,879
Speaker 13: of explained the story about you know, getting that first hit,

691
00:35:45,160 --> 00:35:47,440
Speaker 13: and you know, as soon as you get that first hit,

692
00:35:47,440 --> 00:35:49,279
Speaker 13: you're ready to go. And so he felt like, if

693
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:51,200
Speaker 13: you could do that before the game, then there's no

694
00:35:51,280 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 13: time wasted.

695
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,799
Speaker 1: Quentin Johnson worried me. He had drops. It looked like

696
00:35:56,840 --> 00:35:59,920
Speaker 1: he almost lacked confidence. Well, that's over. You guys have

697
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:04,080
Speaker 1: aggressive he is the downfield weapon. Can you take me

698
00:36:04,120 --> 00:36:06,120
Speaker 1: a little bit into the off season of taking a

699
00:36:06,160 --> 00:36:10,120
Speaker 1: guy that had talent wasn't quite there yet whatever you

700
00:36:10,200 --> 00:36:13,760
Speaker 1: guys did, But it feels like he's turned a corner.

701
00:36:14,680 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 13: Yeahsq's done such a great job. And I think one

702
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:19,719
Speaker 13: of the really special things about him is he had

703
00:36:19,760 --> 00:36:22,440
Speaker 13: a great year last year. It was it was kind

704
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 13: of a quieter great year, and I think he had

705
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 13: eight touchdowns and caught a whole bunch of yards. And

706
00:36:27,840 --> 00:36:29,480
Speaker 13: you know, he came back this year and he's just

707
00:36:29,760 --> 00:36:30,520
Speaker 13: continued to work.

708
00:36:30,760 --> 00:36:32,959
Speaker 7: He's continuing to get better, and he's having fun.

709
00:36:33,000 --> 00:36:35,680
Speaker 13: He's playing confidently, and he's making a bunch of plays.

710
00:36:35,680 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 13: There was a play that you know, he went up

711
00:36:37,520 --> 00:36:40,320
Speaker 13: and caught a fifty to fifty ball on Sunday and

712
00:36:41,400 --> 00:36:45,080
Speaker 13: obviously it was an irresponsible throw by me. But to

713
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:46,520
Speaker 13: have a guy like that go up and get it

714
00:36:46,560 --> 00:36:48,839
Speaker 13: and you know, kind of save me was was really

715
00:36:48,840 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 13: cool to see.

716
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:53,840
Speaker 1: What do you do when you get hit fourteen times?

717
00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:56,719
Speaker 1: Give me, take me behind the curtain? What is your

718
00:36:56,880 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: Monday rehab? Like? What you do?

719
00:36:59,440 --> 00:37:00,239
Speaker 3: Just don't tell me?

720
00:37:00,239 --> 00:37:02,160
Speaker 1: You just go get a frappucino and just sit in

721
00:37:02,160 --> 00:37:04,640
Speaker 1: the couch. What is Monday rehab? Like?

722
00:37:05,600 --> 00:37:07,640
Speaker 7: Yeah, I actually get in the pool and I move

723
00:37:07,680 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 7: around in the pool.

724
00:37:09,160 --> 00:37:11,279
Speaker 13: You know, I think it's easier on my joints, and

725
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:14,920
Speaker 13: whether it's swimming, running, it's it's good to just get movement.

726
00:37:15,280 --> 00:37:17,080
Speaker 7: I do a lot of icing on my shoulder. You know.

727
00:37:17,120 --> 00:37:19,880
Speaker 13: I think I threw the ball a bunch, And you know,

728
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:21,200
Speaker 13: it was kind of the game that we knew was

729
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,200
Speaker 13: going to happen. We know how good their front seven was,

730
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 13: and you know, watching the film of the quarterbacks the

731
00:37:27,160 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 13: week before, they had to move a bunch and they

732
00:37:28,760 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 13: had to throw on the run, and that's just kind

733
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:32,360
Speaker 13: of what you had to do against the Broncos.

734
00:37:32,360 --> 00:37:34,480
Speaker 7: And you know, obviously we do a good job.

735
00:37:34,640 --> 00:37:37,120
Speaker 13: We've got all the facilities here at our team facility,

736
00:37:37,200 --> 00:37:39,360
Speaker 13: so it makes my job so much easier.

737
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 1: So you had thirty six pass attempts, that's what you're

738
00:37:42,800 --> 00:37:44,480
Speaker 1: kind of doing on a weekly basis. It was close

739
00:37:44,520 --> 00:37:48,840
Speaker 1: sort of twenty nine last year. How does that change

740
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:50,719
Speaker 1: prep for you? Now? You may say, oh, it's only

741
00:37:50,800 --> 00:37:53,719
Speaker 1: seven pass attempts, but you got some offensive line injuries,

742
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: so it is your mindset change a little bit justin

743
00:37:57,440 --> 00:37:59,920
Speaker 1: from last year, like, hey, I'm going to get up

744
00:37:59,920 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: in the forties here like that?

745
00:38:02,280 --> 00:38:03,919
Speaker 3: Do you are you a little more?

746
00:38:04,000 --> 00:38:06,239
Speaker 1: Are there certain throws now you'll like hold it back

747
00:38:06,239 --> 00:38:08,160
Speaker 1: and think, hey I got forty pass attempts, it's the

748
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,400
Speaker 1: first quarter. Does it change anything for you psychologically?

749
00:38:13,239 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 7: Not so much.

750
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:17,160
Speaker 13: I think the thing that we do recognize is, you know,

751
00:38:17,160 --> 00:38:19,160
Speaker 13: they are multiple ways of winning football game, and whether

752
00:38:19,200 --> 00:38:20,840
Speaker 13: that's throwing it forty times or whether we're going to

753
00:38:20,920 --> 00:38:23,279
Speaker 13: run the ball forty times, you got to put the

754
00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:25,319
Speaker 13: team in a position to win and understanding that the

755
00:38:25,360 --> 00:38:27,360
Speaker 13: defense that we have that they're going to force a

756
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 13: bunch of stops and turnovers, and you just got to

757
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 13: be smart with the ball. And I think as long

758
00:38:31,600 --> 00:38:34,080
Speaker 13: as we're limiting turnovers, scoring in the red zone, and

759
00:38:34,120 --> 00:38:35,880
Speaker 13: converting on third downs, which I think we've done a

760
00:38:35,880 --> 00:38:39,400
Speaker 13: pretty good job of the past couple of weeks, you know,

761
00:38:39,440 --> 00:38:41,120
Speaker 13: I'm happy to throw the ball as much as I.

762
00:38:41,040 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 1: Can explain to me how Keenan Allen multiple surgeries. He's

763
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:49,600
Speaker 1: not a four to three to eight guy anymore a

764
00:38:49,640 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: four to four guy. How does Keenan Allen get open

765
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 1: on every third down his entire career.

766
00:38:55,880 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 3: Explain it to me.

767
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:04,000
Speaker 13: He just the way he works, routes, his understanding of

768
00:39:04,000 --> 00:39:05,440
Speaker 13: defenses and leverage.

769
00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:09,439
Speaker 7: I don't know how he does it. He came a.

770
00:39:09,320 --> 00:39:11,959
Speaker 13: Few weeks ago, maybe three four weeks ago and picked

771
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,320
Speaker 13: up the offense like he'd been running his entire life.

772
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:18,640
Speaker 13: And I've never really seen anything like that. And that's

773
00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,120
Speaker 13: how you can tell, you know, he's a true pro.

774
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:22,120
Speaker 13: He's one of the best to ever do it. And

775
00:39:23,600 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 13: you know, he's just so smart. He understands how defenses

776
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 13: are trying to play him and where to go. And

777
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:30,319
Speaker 13: it's basically like having another quarterback out there.

778
00:39:30,680 --> 00:39:35,200
Speaker 1: Yeah here, relationship with him. All young quarterbacks need somebody

779
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: they can trust. He's your trust guy. Do you guys

780
00:39:38,719 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 1: have like an unscripted language eye contact, Like on that

781
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: big play this weekend, did you know it was going

782
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: to him?

783
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:46,680
Speaker 3: Did you sense it was?

784
00:39:48,640 --> 00:39:50,319
Speaker 13: I think that's where we're just so lucky to have him,

785
00:39:50,360 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 13: you know, especially when I came into the league to

786
00:39:52,320 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 13: have him and Mike Williams, where we're two guys that

787
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,759
Speaker 13: kind of just showed me the way and just we're

788
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:57,640
Speaker 13: true receivers and sometimes you take them for.

789
00:39:57,640 --> 00:39:59,959
Speaker 7: Granted, but that play.

790
00:40:00,120 --> 00:40:02,680
Speaker 13: Know, I break out of the pocket, and I know

791
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:04,720
Speaker 13: that he's the first to react.

792
00:40:04,800 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 7: He sees what I'm doing and takes off.

793
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:08,960
Speaker 13: And you know, as long as you're the first to

794
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:11,320
Speaker 13: react and you've got a shot to make something happen downfield,

795
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,040
Speaker 13: and even if it is a fifty fifty ball, Keenan Allen,

796
00:40:14,080 --> 00:40:15,840
Speaker 13: you know, he's he's a huge body, he's he's so

797
00:40:15,920 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 13: talented and athletic.

798
00:40:17,160 --> 00:40:18,560
Speaker 7: I know he's gonna go fight for that ball.

799
00:40:18,600 --> 00:40:21,200
Speaker 13: And didn't see the actual catch, but watching it on

800
00:40:21,200 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 13: the replay was pretty cool.

801
00:40:22,320 --> 00:40:22,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

802
00:40:23,320 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: By the way, Oregon's at Penn State this weekend. It's

803
00:40:27,120 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: gonna be the biggest game of the college football weekend.

804
00:40:29,520 --> 00:40:31,399
Speaker 1: How can you do you have time to ever watch

805
00:40:31,440 --> 00:40:32,000
Speaker 1: those games?

806
00:40:33,040 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 7: Yeah?

807
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 13: I always make time to watch Oregon, you know, growing

808
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:39,239
Speaker 13: up a Duck fan playing there, you know, it's been

809
00:40:39,280 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 13: so fun to watch them play. And you know, I

810
00:40:41,600 --> 00:40:42,960
Speaker 13: think that's kind of the cool thing about going to

811
00:40:43,000 --> 00:40:44,719
Speaker 13: the Big Ten and playing all these these fun teams

812
00:40:44,800 --> 00:40:46,480
Speaker 13: is you're gonna go to the East Coast and you're

813
00:40:46,520 --> 00:40:49,200
Speaker 13: gonna have some big games, and you know, not always

814
00:40:49,280 --> 00:40:51,840
Speaker 13: was that the case in the Pac twelve and you know,

815
00:40:51,880 --> 00:40:54,279
Speaker 13: I know the Ducks are really excited, and and you

816
00:40:54,320 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 13: know Eugene is loving it too, so it's really cool

817
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:57,800
Speaker 13: to see.

818
00:40:58,000 --> 00:41:00,880
Speaker 1: So our graphics department thought they were very funny yesterday

819
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:03,440
Speaker 1: because I said, you and Harbaugh's as good as Reid

820
00:41:03,440 --> 00:41:04,040
Speaker 1: and Mahomes.

821
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:05,400
Speaker 3: It's just a perfect If.

822
00:41:05,320 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 1: Jim could go to a lab and build a quarterback,

823
00:41:08,239 --> 00:41:11,320
Speaker 1: and I swear to God he would build you humble, coachable,

824
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:12,560
Speaker 1: hard work and tough.

825
00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,239
Speaker 3: You were, Jim. You just have a better arm than

826
00:41:15,320 --> 00:41:15,799
Speaker 3: Jim had.

827
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,960
Speaker 1: And so our graphic department thought it was very funny,

828
00:41:18,960 --> 00:41:21,080
Speaker 1: and they made up all these Simon and Garfunkle and

829
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,480
Speaker 1: yeo you guys. They just thought that was the funniest

830
00:41:23,480 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: thing in the world. What else do we have? Mario

831
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:27,759
Speaker 1: and Luigi I think was on that.

832
00:41:28,239 --> 00:41:30,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, there we go. When you look at horrball.

833
00:41:30,960 --> 00:41:34,240
Speaker 1: If somebody never met Jim and you said, hey, Colin,

834
00:41:34,280 --> 00:41:35,920
Speaker 1: come on over to my place, I want to introduce

835
00:41:35,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: you to my head coach, Jim Harbaugh, would you warn me?

836
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,440
Speaker 1: What would you say about Jim harr as somebody that

837
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,759
Speaker 1: got Batman and Robin? What would just say to me

838
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:47,520
Speaker 1: if I'd never met Jim Harball. How would you explain him?

839
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:49,960
Speaker 7: I would say, this guy loves football.

840
00:41:50,239 --> 00:41:52,960
Speaker 13: I've never met anyone that loves football more than he does.

841
00:41:53,560 --> 00:41:56,839
Speaker 13: He thinks about football when he wakes up, and thinks

842
00:41:56,840 --> 00:41:58,919
Speaker 13: about football when he goes to bed, and he wants

843
00:41:58,960 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 13: to win. And I think the coolest thing about him

844
00:42:01,000 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 13: is he's a competitor. If we have any games going on,

845
00:42:04,400 --> 00:42:05,520
Speaker 13: he's gonna try.

846
00:42:05,400 --> 00:42:05,799
Speaker 7: And beat you.

847
00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 13: Whether we're playing ping pong, whether we're you know, playing cornhole,

848
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 13: it doesn't matter.

849
00:42:10,239 --> 00:42:12,480
Speaker 7: He's going to do everything he can to win, and

850
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:14,640
Speaker 7: he's going to find you, know your weaknesses.

851
00:42:14,920 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 13: He's going to watch film on you, he's gonna ask questions,

852
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:19,160
Speaker 13: and he loves the game.

853
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,840
Speaker 1: So it's really cool to see fifteen seconds. Has he

854
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:22,600
Speaker 1: ever been mad at you?

855
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:25,279
Speaker 13: There are definitely been times where he's mad at me,

856
00:42:25,360 --> 00:42:28,600
Speaker 13: whether I'm throwing the ball downfield irresponsibly, laid over the middle.

857
00:42:28,880 --> 00:42:29,040
Speaker 7: You know.

858
00:42:29,080 --> 00:42:30,719
Speaker 13: He tells me to just check the ball down, you know,

859
00:42:30,800 --> 00:42:32,799
Speaker 13: go to the next play and be smart with the ball.

860
00:42:32,840 --> 00:42:35,640
Speaker 13: But there are definitely times where we're talking about practice.

861
00:42:35,680 --> 00:42:36,160
Speaker 1: In the game.

862
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:36,600
Speaker 7: For sure.

863
00:42:37,520 --> 00:42:40,719
Speaker 1: Hey man, it's great seeing you. You look fantastic. You're

864
00:42:40,800 --> 00:42:45,200
Speaker 1: crushing it. Try to stay upright between you and Lamar.

865
00:42:45,400 --> 00:42:47,600
Speaker 1: I don't like my star quarterbacks getting hit like that.

866
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:49,320
Speaker 1: Congrats on all your success.

867
00:42:50,239 --> 00:42:52,120
Speaker 7: I'll do my best. Thanks again for having me.

868
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 1: All right, justin Herbert one of the truly great guys.

869
00:42:55,120 --> 00:42:58,319
Speaker 1: I've said this before. We are lucky that all the

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Speaker 1: star quarterbacks in this league. It can be Lamar, it

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Speaker 1: can be Mahomes, it's Herbert, it's Jalen Hurts. How lucky

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Speaker 1: are we? They're all good dudes, They're all I mean

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Speaker 1: to be that young, good looking, rich and that good

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Speaker 1: of a dude.

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Speaker 3: We're lucky, all of us. Heard hierarchy, Nick right, He's

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Speaker 1: Not gonna like the hurd hierarchy to get contentious