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Speaker 1: with everyone. This is an exciting new network that will

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Speaker 1: feature podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained. Now,

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Speaker 1: please sit back and enjoy Shades of the Afterlife with

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Speaker 1: Sander Champlain. Hi. I'm Sanders Samplain. For almost twenty five years,

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Speaker 1: I've been on a journey to prove the existence of

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Speaker 1: life after death. On each episode will discuss the reasons

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Speaker 1: we now know that our loved ones have survived physical

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Speaker 1: death and so will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife.

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Speaker 1: Albert Einstein once said, there are two ways to live

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Speaker 1: your life. One as if nothing is a miracle. The

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Speaker 1: other is as if everything is a miracle. I don't

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Speaker 1: know how old you are, but I'm fifty four now

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Speaker 1: and I've spent most of my life living as nothing

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Speaker 1: is a miracle. I brought into the myth that we

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Speaker 1: had to see it to believe it. As a kid,

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Speaker 1: was possible. Our parents play into this as well. With

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Speaker 1: our chimneys and delivers wonderful toys and goodies. When I

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Speaker 1: everything changes, We grow up and the magic ends. We

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Speaker 1: learned life is hard work, and the world of miracles

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Speaker 1: end until today. I want this episode to be the

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Speaker 1: magic wand to help us all look at life that

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Speaker 1: everything is a miracle. Do you realize that the planet

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Speaker 1: and plants and water. Wherever you are right now, look

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Speaker 1: at anything around you and wonder how that object came

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Speaker 1: out of those four elements. Miracle. If you're listening to

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Speaker 1: this on your cell phone, have you ever wondered how

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Speaker 1: our human lives miracle. All we need is a little

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Speaker 1: for our lifetime. Miracle. If our iPads and cell phones

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Speaker 1: the basic elements Earth consists of. Why would we think

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Speaker 1: our minds, the supercomputers that created all of this cannot

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Speaker 1: tap into the cloud called loved ones in the afterlife.

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Speaker 1: If energy is never destroyed, water changes to vapor, fire

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Speaker 1: guessed it. Miracles? Yes, there are billions of us human miracles.

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Speaker 1: Let's not forget the plants, flowers, animals, and all the

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Speaker 1: minuscule and invisible things invisible to our eyes. But they're

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Speaker 1: miracles that surround us, all of us hurling around a

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Speaker 1: never ending universe. Miracles. When it comes to the afterlife,

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Speaker 1: Think again. Today, I want to introduce you to a

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Speaker 1: dreams unexplained, miraculous healings, and more. These stories are all

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Speaker 1: and it's great to be here. Oh, it's great to

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Speaker 1: and I've seen the videos on your website Physicians Untold

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Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain and we were discussing physicians untold stories

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Speaker 1: He wanted to move back to that room that was

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Speaker 1: all white, beautiful, Uh, and gave him a very good,

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Speaker 1: warm feeling. And so that they are doc concluded that,

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Speaker 1: you know, he must have been somewhere else and uh,

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Speaker 1: the only thing they could think of was he must

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Speaker 1: have been in heaven. Yeah, that's so great. There's another story,

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Speaker 1: Scott that really touched me about a woman that while

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Speaker 1: and other things. Yeah, that was a good one. That

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Speaker 1: I've got to tell you this incredible story. I said, well,

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Speaker 1: go ahead, and he said, I can't tell it till

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Speaker 1: He closed the door and he said, you know, I

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Speaker 1: cold Baba, and he's telling the story of a lady

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Speaker 1: so he started to do CPR and Mary and Dr

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Speaker 1: and she came around again, was not conscious, but her

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Speaker 1: Mokell got a little weak kneed and to sit down

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Speaker 1: what happened, And she said, when when I coded, when

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Speaker 1: place for her in heaven. Now, Mary was kind of

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Speaker 1: a curmudgeon. She was before this arrest. She was not

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Speaker 1: a nice person. In many cases, she was okay, but

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Speaker 1: And uh, Dr Morkel, uh, you know, couldn't explain this scientifically.

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Speaker 1: no one. They think I was crazy, right, But I

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Speaker 1: needed to tell you. I needed to tell someone, so

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Speaker 1: I thought I'd tell you. He finally agreed to have

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Speaker 1: the story in the book. But that was an amazing

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Speaker 1: story and amazing turnaround. It reminded me of the Christmas Carol,

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Speaker 1: where Scrooge, you know, made an amazing turnaround, just like

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Speaker 1: Christmas Carol. I've spoken to many people who have had

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Speaker 1: near death experiences and the turnaround in their attitude is tremendous.

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Speaker 1: Many of them make their lives about doing good and

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Speaker 1: Untold stories by our guest doctor Scott Colbaba with twenty

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Speaker 1: seven doctors coming together with these stories that give you

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Speaker 1: goose bumps. There is no way not to be comforted,

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Speaker 1: be inspired, have hope and faith in the afterlife and

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Speaker 1: the bigger picture of life. As you read it, Doctor Scott,

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Speaker 1: the courage to share these stories. Well, it was my hope, Sandy,

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Speaker 1: that that people would receive some hope from these stories.

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Speaker 1: You know, when you write a book, you never quite

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Speaker 1: know the whole. Uh. You know, when you when you

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Speaker 1: life of its own. And I think one of the

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Speaker 1: take home lessons that I tried to achieve and I

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Speaker 1: think we have, is that there's something else out there.

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Speaker 1: There's there's a there's a force. There's most of the doctors,

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Speaker 1: myself call it God, if you can call it what

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Speaker 1: you want, that loves us unconditionally, that participates in our lives,

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Speaker 1: positive ways. And some of the doctors actually count on

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Speaker 1: these miracles to help them with their with their practice.

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Speaker 1: You don't often hear about doctors believing in God and

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Speaker 1: In fact, Scott, you hear just the opposite. We rarely

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Speaker 1: hear from doctors about the afterlife. And I think a

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Speaker 1: lot of people think that doctors don't believe that's true.

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Speaker 1: And you know, when I first started talking to doctors,

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Speaker 1: I wasn't sure that they would allow me to publish

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Speaker 1: these amazing stories. They don't tell these stories to anyone

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Speaker 1: or a very very few people. And so I thought

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Speaker 1: to myself, you know, why would why would these doctors

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Speaker 1: allow me to take their amazing stories that they don't

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Speaker 1: tell anyone for fear of being criticized, and and published them.

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Speaker 1: And I came up with a couple of explanations, and

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Speaker 1: and one is, you know, I think they've been around

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Speaker 1: for a long time. I know all of these doctors,

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Speaker 1: and some of them I've known for thirty and forty years,

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Speaker 1: and so I think they trust me to to to

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Speaker 1: and and and not skew it in any way. The

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Speaker 1: real reason though I think that the doctors allowed me

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Speaker 1: to publish these stories. Is one of the things that

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Speaker 1: I mentioned the book, and that is many doctors and

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00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: and I can say that for bit personally, all the

642
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:38,280
Speaker 1: doctors in this book are what I call sappy do gooders.

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00:36:39,239 --> 00:36:42,600
Speaker 1: That's a funny sirm, sappy do gooders. Snappy do gooders.

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00:36:43,360 --> 00:36:46,799
Speaker 1: And you know when you go to medical school, when

645
00:36:46,800 --> 00:36:49,120
Speaker 1: you start apply to medical school, you have to write

646
00:36:49,200 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 1: up an article about why you want to be a doctor.

647
00:36:52,040 --> 00:36:54,279
Speaker 1: And everyone writes, I want to save the world and

648
00:36:54,400 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: cure cancer and all these kinds of things. And you know,

649
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:00,479
Speaker 1: the doctors that I talked with and most doctors still

650
00:37:00,560 --> 00:37:03,480
Speaker 1: have the same aspirations to to save the world, to

651
00:37:03,560 --> 00:37:06,040
Speaker 1: do good in the world, and I and every day

652
00:37:06,239 --> 00:37:09,800
Speaker 1: and help someone every every day. And and when I

653
00:37:10,120 --> 00:37:14,400
Speaker 1: when I collected these stories, um, I think the doctors

654
00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:19,279
Speaker 1: had an overwhelming desire to let people know that there's

655
00:37:19,320 --> 00:37:21,560
Speaker 1: something else out there to give them some hope. And

656
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:25,239
Speaker 1: I think that desire being a sappy do gooder was

657
00:37:25,560 --> 00:37:28,759
Speaker 1: was was greater than the risk that they took. And

658
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:32,320
Speaker 1: it's a substantial risk that people would criticize them for

659
00:37:32,719 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: having these unusual stories of dreams and premonitions and visions

660
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: and things like that. Then you don't talk about that.

661
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: You don't expect an ordinary routine doctor to have what

662
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: they do. So I think it was their desire to

663
00:37:45,760 --> 00:37:49,359
Speaker 1: help people, uh be comforted. It's a tough life. There's

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Speaker 1: bad things that happen in this life. And I think

665
00:37:51,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: if people know that there's something else out there, that

666
00:37:54,080 --> 00:37:56,560
Speaker 1: doctors know that there's something else out there that looks

667
00:37:56,560 --> 00:38:00,160
Speaker 1: out for them, that loves them unconditionally, they'll be able

668
00:38:00,200 --> 00:38:02,760
Speaker 1: to face the problems in their life a lot easier

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00:38:02,960 --> 00:38:05,399
Speaker 1: and have hope. And and that's what I was hoping

670
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: to get from this book, to give people hope that

671
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,800
Speaker 1: there is something else Scott. I'd love to see you

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00:38:10,880 --> 00:38:14,880
Speaker 1: talk about your book on mainstream news TV shows and

673
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,120
Speaker 1: radio shows, and and that would lead to patients opening

674
00:38:18,200 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 1: up the conversation with their doctors saying things like have

675
00:38:21,640 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: you seen this book? Do you have any miraculous stories

676
00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:28,440
Speaker 1: that would give the doctor's confidence as a sappy do

677
00:38:28,600 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 1: gooder to share their stories. Yeah. That was my other

678
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:34,520
Speaker 1: hope that that this would open up a conversation with

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:38,960
Speaker 1: patients and doctors, because you know, healing takes place not

680
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 1: just with drugs and medicine. Healing takes place with hands on,

681
00:38:42,760 --> 00:38:47,480
Speaker 1: with love and sometimes UH in strange ways that we

682
00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: can't explain. And I think if people have hope, and

683
00:38:51,640 --> 00:38:55,279
Speaker 1: if they have UH, they have positive attitude, that makes

684
00:38:55,320 --> 00:38:58,360
Speaker 1: a huge difference for all kinds of illnesses, including cancers

685
00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: and all the bad things that people can get. Yes,

686
00:39:01,600 --> 00:39:03,719
Speaker 1: would you share from the third part of your book

687
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:07,279
Speaker 1: a story of healing. Sure, there's there's a particularly good one.

688
00:39:07,640 --> 00:39:11,480
Speaker 1: UM as a lady. This is UH, a lady in

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00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:17,800
Speaker 1: in Wheaton that Barbara's her name, and Barbara gave me

690
00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: permission to mention her name and to tell the story.

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00:39:20,840 --> 00:39:23,520
Speaker 1: And it's interesting that I'll tell you a little bit

692
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,760
Speaker 1: about the background of this Uh. I had her story

693
00:39:27,040 --> 00:39:29,880
Speaker 1: from her doctor, and I just needed to get her

694
00:39:29,920 --> 00:39:32,520
Speaker 1: permission to publish it and get her ideas on some

695
00:39:32,640 --> 00:39:35,439
Speaker 1: of the details. And I had written her letter where

696
00:39:35,440 --> 00:39:37,440
Speaker 1: I thought she was because it was hard. This happened

697
00:39:37,480 --> 00:39:40,359
Speaker 1: about twenty years ago or more, and so it's hard

698
00:39:40,400 --> 00:39:43,719
Speaker 1: to find her and I really couldn't locate her in

699
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 1: the country, and I had all kinds of search services

700
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,880
Speaker 1: and so forth life that I purchased to find people

701
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,719
Speaker 1: that that needed to give their permission, and so I

702
00:39:52,840 --> 00:39:56,000
Speaker 1: had to turn the manuscript into the publisher, and I

703
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,920
Speaker 1: had to take her story out because I couldn't I

704
00:39:58,960 --> 00:40:02,520
Speaker 1: couldn't contact her. Well. All of a sudden, several days

705
00:40:02,560 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 1: before I had to turn the manuscript in, I get

706
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Speaker 1: a phone call and who is it. It's Barbara, she said.

707
00:40:07,640 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 1: I thought I had a feeling I needed to call you.

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00:40:09,600 --> 00:40:12,200
Speaker 1: I got your letter, you know, six months ago, and

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00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,600
Speaker 1: I've been sitting on it, and I just thought i'd

710
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: call you today, and I gave me goose. But so

711
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 1: I got the phone call because I could therefore include

712
00:40:21,560 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: her story in the book. And she was delighted to

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00:40:24,840 --> 00:40:27,000
Speaker 1: have it. And you know why she called me at

714
00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:32,080
Speaker 1: that time, Uh, you can only guess. I know the reason.

715
00:40:32,200 --> 00:40:36,600
Speaker 1: But it was very interesting that that was a coincidental

716
00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: finding that probably wasn't a coincidence at all. Anyway. Her

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00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:44,600
Speaker 1: story is that she had multiple sclerosis, and she had

718
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Speaker 1: gotten progressively more disabled with multiple sclerosis. She was having

719
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: trouble seeing, affected her vision. She had a tricky ask

720
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: to me in place so she could oxygen right directly

721
00:40:56,440 --> 00:41:00,160
Speaker 1: into her lungs. She had having having trouble breathing, she

722
00:41:00,280 --> 00:41:05,080
Speaker 1: had collapsed along and a paralyzed diaphragm. She had were

723
00:41:05,280 --> 00:41:08,319
Speaker 1: braces on her legs because she couldn't move very well

724
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,919
Speaker 1: and by this point she couldn't walk. She was getting

725
00:41:10,960 --> 00:41:14,200
Speaker 1: recurrent infections in her lungs because she couldn't take deep

726
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:17,800
Speaker 1: breaths and couldn't ventilate, and so Dr Marshall, who was

727
00:41:17,840 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: the doctor take taking care of at the time, decided

728
00:41:20,160 --> 00:41:22,440
Speaker 1: that it was time to think about hospice. And hospice

729
00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,560
Speaker 1: is a program where you are the doctor certifies that

730
00:41:27,640 --> 00:41:31,240
Speaker 1: you have less than six months to live. It's a wonderful, wonderful,

731
00:41:31,320 --> 00:41:33,920
Speaker 1: loving program. And so she was entered in the hospice.

732
00:41:34,120 --> 00:41:37,680
Speaker 1: Her pastor saw her. Pastor Bailey saw her for what

733
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Speaker 1: he thought was the last time. UH set a prayer

734
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,640
Speaker 1: with her and didn't expect her to live longer than

735
00:41:43,680 --> 00:41:47,360
Speaker 1: a week or two. And at the time there was

736
00:41:47,520 --> 00:41:52,080
Speaker 1: a radio show that told stories about people that needed

737
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:57,399
Speaker 1: UH were was requesting requesting prayers. So UH this radio

738
00:41:57,440 --> 00:42:01,120
Speaker 1: show aired UH and there were thousands and thousands of

739
00:42:01,200 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: people that that said prayers and they said letters to

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00:42:04,520 --> 00:42:10,000
Speaker 1: and UH. When when Barbara was was you know, lying

741
00:42:10,040 --> 00:42:13,600
Speaker 1: in bed and and pretty much near the end the aunt.

742
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:17,040
Speaker 1: Her aunt brought in a bag of letters from these

743
00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: people that have said prayers for her. Scott, we need

744
00:42:19,760 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: to take a quick break and you can tell us

745
00:42:21,880 --> 00:42:25,560
Speaker 1: what happens with Barbara. You're listening to Shades of the

746
00:42:25,600 --> 00:42:28,960
Speaker 1: Actlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast Coast AM

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766
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:52,520
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Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sandra Champlain and we're with

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Speaker 1: Dr Scott cole Bob and he's sharing a story about

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Speaker 1: a poor named Barbara with not too much time left

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00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:06,759
Speaker 1: to live. And she gets a huge bag filled with

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00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: letters of prayers and it was a huge bag. She

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00:44:09,800 --> 00:44:12,120
Speaker 1: had trouble carrying it. And at the same time, there

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00:44:12,120 --> 00:44:15,160
Speaker 1: are a couple of people visiting from church and Barbara

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00:44:15,200 --> 00:44:17,719
Speaker 1: all of a sudden heard something that no one else heard,

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00:44:18,320 --> 00:44:22,200
Speaker 1: and the words were something like my my daughter, uh

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Speaker 1: get up and walk and she uh it was it

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00:44:27,960 --> 00:44:33,440
Speaker 1: was a strange command, and she immediately moved over to

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00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:36,839
Speaker 1: the edge of the bed, stood up, took her braces off,

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00:44:37,440 --> 00:44:41,000
Speaker 1: took her oxygen off, and she started to walk. In fact,

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00:44:41,160 --> 00:44:44,359
Speaker 1: she walked into the living room, where her parents were

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00:44:44,719 --> 00:44:49,160
Speaker 1: totally surprised and amazed. The physical therapist that was there

782
00:44:49,200 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: couldn't believe it. She kept saying, you can't you can't

783
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 1: do that, she can't do this, and she started the dance.

784
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:57,319
Speaker 1: She did a ballet for the For her parents, they

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00:44:57,680 --> 00:45:00,360
Speaker 1: hugged her. Everyone had tears in their eyes and they

786
00:45:00,400 --> 00:45:04,080
Speaker 1: couldn't believe that that she was totally cured. The next

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00:45:04,320 --> 00:45:09,120
Speaker 1: night was the church service, the routine church service that

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Speaker 1: they have at night for her church, and she had

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00:45:12,239 --> 00:45:13,920
Speaker 1: no clothes to wear it because she had been ill

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00:45:14,040 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 1: for so long that they had gotten rid of all

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00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:17,640
Speaker 1: of her clothes and she just had pajamas and things

792
00:45:17,719 --> 00:45:19,439
Speaker 1: like that. So she was late for the church service

793
00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:22,120
Speaker 1: because she had to find some address to wear from

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00:45:22,160 --> 00:45:27,360
Speaker 1: the neighbor. So uh. The church service was going on.

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Speaker 1: The pastor, Pastor Bailey was at the front of the

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00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:33,440
Speaker 1: church and he was giving some announcements and in walks

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00:45:33,480 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: Barbara and strolls down the center aisle, and they were

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00:45:38,480 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: whispers all over the church. There's Barbara, there's Barbara. I

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00:45:41,880 --> 00:45:43,520
Speaker 1: thought she was going to die. I thought she was,

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00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:47,360
Speaker 1: you know, uh sick. Pastor Bailey lost his voice. He

801
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: couldn't say anything. He was so shocked, and spontaneously everyone

802
00:45:51,120 --> 00:45:54,400
Speaker 1: in the congregation started to sing amazing grace. Can you

803
00:45:54,520 --> 00:46:00,879
Speaker 1: imagine walking down the center aisle, amazing grace being spontaneously

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00:46:00,960 --> 00:46:04,000
Speaker 1: by the by the parishioners, and then she walked to

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00:46:04,080 --> 00:46:07,040
Speaker 1: the front of the church. Pastor Bailey finally was able

806
00:46:07,120 --> 00:46:10,560
Speaker 1: to get his voice back and he said, Barbara, tell

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00:46:10,680 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: us your story. This is amazing. And so she was

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00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: totally cured. The next day she went to their doctor,

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00:46:16,600 --> 00:46:21,239
Speaker 1: Dr Marshall. They took out her tubes and she was

810
00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:24,920
Speaker 1: was totally cured from from her illness. She's lived another

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Speaker 1: twenty five or so years. She now is married to

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Speaker 1: a pastor, and her goal in life is to do

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00:46:29,960 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 1: good and to help people like she's been helped, and

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00:46:33,640 --> 00:46:37,160
Speaker 1: she's thriving and doing very well right now. That's an

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Speaker 1: amazing story of healing and the power of prayer. Miracles

816
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: are most definitely possible, and prayer is so powerful. The

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Speaker 1: last story I had read in your book, Scott, was

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Speaker 1: about a fellow named Bob who was in a coma.

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Speaker 1: Do you mind talking about that one. There's many of

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00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:58,200
Speaker 1: us who have had our loved ones past when they

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Speaker 1: are in a state that they can no longer speak

822
00:47:00,920 --> 00:47:03,959
Speaker 1: to us. My dad had cancer in the last days

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00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:06,880
Speaker 1: of his life. He was so drugged up because of

824
00:47:06,960 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 1: the pain he was in, but I continued to speak

825
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:13,000
Speaker 1: to him, as did my siblings, trusting a part of

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00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:16,680
Speaker 1: him could hear our words. That's awesome, that's awesome. That's

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Speaker 1: what this story is about. This is a story about

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Speaker 1: two doctors that were friends and one thing what they

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00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,319
Speaker 1: had in common was fishing. They both love fishing. Um

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Speaker 1: John Messatt Uh is my gynecologic friend who's now retired,

831
00:47:31,040 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 1: and Bob Cornell his friend. They used to meet in

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Speaker 1: the morning and the doctor's lounge, and the doctor's lounge

833
00:47:36,680 --> 00:47:39,320
Speaker 1: has lots of wonderful things like coffee and doughnuts and

834
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:41,719
Speaker 1: great things to eat that they're very healthy like that.

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Speaker 1: So they used to meet in the morning and they

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Speaker 1: tell fishing stories, and then they tell stories about their

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00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:49,680
Speaker 1: families and other things. But they love to talk about fishing.

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00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,200
Speaker 1: And so every morning before rounds they would get together

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Speaker 1: and they'd share fishing stories. But one day Bob Cornell

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00:47:56,719 --> 00:47:59,200
Speaker 1: didn't show up. He was admitted to the hospital a

841
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:02,799
Speaker 1: massive stroke and he was in a deep coma. Uh

842
00:48:03,080 --> 00:48:05,880
Speaker 1: the intensivist and the h I see you felt that

843
00:48:06,400 --> 00:48:09,760
Speaker 1: he was basically brain dead and would not come around,

844
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Speaker 1: and they decided to watch him for a couple of days,

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Speaker 1: maybe three days, and then he told my friend Dr Messett,

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00:48:15,360 --> 00:48:18,040
Speaker 1: who was there, that if he didn't come around, they

847
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: would pull the tubes and and let him let him die.

848
00:48:22,080 --> 00:48:26,800
Speaker 1: So uh. Dr Messett was very upset and very concerned

849
00:48:26,840 --> 00:48:29,719
Speaker 1: and wanted to do something, and he didn't know what

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00:48:29,880 --> 00:48:32,719
Speaker 1: he could do. He was being taken care of intensively,

851
00:48:32,880 --> 00:48:35,160
Speaker 1: but he had that feeling just like you said, that

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00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:39,319
Speaker 1: he needed to talk to him. So he looked around

853
00:48:39,400 --> 00:48:40,879
Speaker 1: to make sure no one else was in the little

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00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: cubicle that was in the intensive carrying it. And he

855
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:47,799
Speaker 1: moved his chair close up to Bob's face, and Bob

856
00:48:47,920 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: was in a deep call. I couldn't He didn't respond

857
00:48:50,080 --> 00:48:54,200
Speaker 1: to anything, and John Dr Massett started to tell him stories.

858
00:48:54,920 --> 00:48:57,760
Speaker 1: He told the stories he told were his fishing stories,

859
00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: and he's told him a story they had never told

860
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:04,239
Speaker 1: for about fishing in the Mackenzie River in Canada. And

861
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,920
Speaker 1: they flew in and it was an amazing experience because

862
00:49:08,040 --> 00:49:12,759
Speaker 1: the river was full of fish, grailings they're called, and

863
00:49:13,440 --> 00:49:15,440
Speaker 1: they could throw pretty much anything into the water and

864
00:49:15,440 --> 00:49:18,000
Speaker 1: a grailing would bite on it. And Dr Messett said,

865
00:49:18,000 --> 00:49:19,520
Speaker 1: at the end of the day he had sore arms

866
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 1: from reeling in so many grailings. It was a catch

867
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Speaker 1: and release proposition. And he thought that was a great story.

868
00:49:26,920 --> 00:49:28,320
Speaker 1: And every day you tell him a little piece of

869
00:49:28,360 --> 00:49:32,480
Speaker 1: that story and additional stories. And the third day when

870
00:49:32,640 --> 00:49:35,759
Speaker 1: Bob was going to die, uh, Dr Messett went into

871
00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:39,759
Speaker 1: the i SE with a heavy heart and it was

872
00:49:39,840 --> 00:49:41,360
Speaker 1: sad that that was the day that they were going

873
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: to take the tubes out and that would would die.

874
00:49:45,880 --> 00:49:48,080
Speaker 1: And when he walked into the room, when he walked

875
00:49:48,080 --> 00:49:49,960
Speaker 1: into the i CU, he saw his room was empty,

876
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:53,040
Speaker 1: the light was off, the bed was stripped, and he

877
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: thought he must have died the night before. And he was,

878
00:49:55,320 --> 00:49:57,040
Speaker 1: you know, he was sad that he had missed him,

879
00:49:57,200 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: that he that he didn't get a chance to say

880
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,320
Speaker 1: goodbye to him the last day. So he talked to

881
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:03,920
Speaker 1: the nurse and he said, you know, when when did

882
00:50:03,960 --> 00:50:08,760
Speaker 1: Bob die? And she laughed and that upset Dr Messid

883
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: obviously until she said until he realized why she was laughing,

884
00:50:13,920 --> 00:50:16,839
Speaker 1: And she said, well, he woke up yesterday. He went,

885
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, he was so good. He went down to

886
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,799
Speaker 1: the step down unit and he's he's going to be fine.

887
00:50:24,640 --> 00:50:28,120
Speaker 1: And so Dr Messtt was was thrilled he finally caught

888
00:50:28,200 --> 00:50:30,759
Speaker 1: up with him. Uh. He had was transferred to a

889
00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:33,760
Speaker 1: rehabilitation hospital. Finally caught up to him in the doctor's

890
00:50:33,800 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: lounge again a few weeks later, UH, where Bob Cornell

891
00:50:38,840 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 1: said he had a stroke, so he had some stuttering

892
00:50:42,680 --> 00:50:45,719
Speaker 1: speech and he couldn't speak really well. And he said, John,

893
00:50:46,640 --> 00:50:50,680
Speaker 1: thank thank you. You were the only person who talked

894
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:54,840
Speaker 1: with me. And I loved your stories. I loved the

895
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: story about the grailing and Mackenzie River. That was one

896
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:01,560
Speaker 1: you never told me before her. And I look forward

897
00:51:01,600 --> 00:51:04,200
Speaker 1: to having you come every day and tell me those stories.

898
00:51:05,000 --> 00:51:08,480
Speaker 1: And John Nessa, the doctor that told him the stories,

899
00:51:08,920 --> 00:51:12,239
Speaker 1: thought to himself, you know that you wonder if there's

900
00:51:12,239 --> 00:51:14,719
Speaker 1: a time when people have a choice of leaving the

901
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:17,800
Speaker 1: earth or staying, and if they crossed that bridge or

902
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:22,120
Speaker 1: cross that river or whatever, if that's their decision, And

903
00:51:22,200 --> 00:51:25,160
Speaker 1: he wondered if his stories had any influence on whether

904
00:51:25,280 --> 00:51:29,480
Speaker 1: Bob stayed or left. You will never know, but we

905
00:51:29,560 --> 00:51:32,360
Speaker 1: do know that Bob Cornell was in a deep coma

906
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:37,000
Speaker 1: and heard those stories clearly, and those gave him joy

907
00:51:37,120 --> 00:51:40,719
Speaker 1: and hope and may have saved his life. I love

908
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:44,240
Speaker 1: that story, oh I do too, Scott. I've been studying

909
00:51:44,280 --> 00:51:47,160
Speaker 1: all about the afterlife for many years now, and people

910
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:49,880
Speaker 1: often ask what are the books that made the biggest

911
00:51:49,920 --> 00:51:52,640
Speaker 1: difference with me? And I have to say, your book,

912
00:51:53,040 --> 00:51:56,440
Speaker 1: Physicians Untold Stories is one of those books that I

913
00:51:56,520 --> 00:52:00,480
Speaker 1: can wholeheartedly recommend. I'm so proud of you for writing

914
00:52:00,560 --> 00:52:04,120
Speaker 1: it and for going forward. And if there's someone listening

915
00:52:04,239 --> 00:52:07,680
Speaker 1: right now willing to share this episode or mentioned it

916
00:52:07,760 --> 00:52:10,640
Speaker 1: to someone who has had a loved one pass or

917
00:52:10,760 --> 00:52:13,840
Speaker 1: is dealing with health issues or a fear of dying,

918
00:52:14,400 --> 00:52:18,680
Speaker 1: please do. There are lots of other stories, and since

919
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:21,520
Speaker 1: I've written the book, I've had lots of other people

920
00:52:21,600 --> 00:52:23,200
Speaker 1: come up to me and say, you know, I've got

921
00:52:23,320 --> 00:52:25,560
Speaker 1: I've got a story like that too. And so I

922
00:52:25,640 --> 00:52:28,320
Speaker 1: think the next book is going to be Nurses. Nurses

923
00:52:28,360 --> 00:52:31,560
Speaker 1: I'm told stories because they have some amazing stories. Also,

924
00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:34,600
Speaker 1: I've heard some from the nurses that have I've looked

925
00:52:34,640 --> 00:52:37,960
Speaker 1: at my book and you know, people are feeling freer

926
00:52:38,040 --> 00:52:41,000
Speaker 1: about coming out with these stories now that they've that

927
00:52:41,239 --> 00:52:44,200
Speaker 1: that they're in a book, and so I'm getting stories

928
00:52:44,239 --> 00:52:47,480
Speaker 1: that people haven't told to anyone, and uh, it's fun,

929
00:52:47,600 --> 00:52:50,200
Speaker 1: it's fun. It's fun. To get those stories a great

930
00:52:50,280 --> 00:52:53,520
Speaker 1: idea and definitely talk to some hospice nurses. They have

931
00:52:53,640 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: some amazing stories of what they've witnessed. Scott, what haven't

932
00:52:57,640 --> 00:52:59,800
Speaker 1: I asked you that you would still like to share?

933
00:53:00,360 --> 00:53:03,680
Speaker 1: Part of the book that that I enjoyed writing was,

934
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:07,799
Speaker 1: you know, doctors don't talk to each other in spiritual

935
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:10,920
Speaker 1: ways and and and you know, we don't talk about

936
00:53:11,120 --> 00:53:13,200
Speaker 1: what makes you tick and and why you went into

937
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,320
Speaker 1: medicine and things like that. We talk about patients and

938
00:53:16,960 --> 00:53:20,000
Speaker 1: surgeries and you know, what are you going on, where

939
00:53:20,000 --> 00:53:23,080
Speaker 1: you're going on vacation, things like that. But I when

940
00:53:23,120 --> 00:53:25,240
Speaker 1: you when you get into some of these deep stories,

941
00:53:25,400 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 1: you also find out what makes doctors tick and and

942
00:53:29,080 --> 00:53:31,680
Speaker 1: why they do what they do. And I included that

943
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: section in the book too. It's a it's on what

944
00:53:34,320 --> 00:53:37,080
Speaker 1: I learned about doctors that people don't tend to know.

945
00:53:37,560 --> 00:53:39,239
Speaker 1: And let me just tell you a few of those,

946
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:43,080
Speaker 1: uh simple stories. One is a fellow by the name

947
00:53:43,080 --> 00:53:45,560
Speaker 1: of Andy Row who was a cardiologist at Elmhurst Hospital

948
00:53:45,640 --> 00:53:48,320
Speaker 1: here in the Chicagoland area, and I and Andy and

949
00:53:48,360 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 1: I were talking about the weather and about you know,

950
00:53:51,120 --> 00:53:53,839
Speaker 1: just the things of life of patients, and so forth,

951
00:53:53,920 --> 00:53:55,879
Speaker 1: and I happened to mention to him that I had

952
00:53:55,960 --> 00:53:59,560
Speaker 1: a Uh, we're doing some adoption work at the time,

953
00:53:59,760 --> 00:54:01,720
Speaker 1: and he found out about this little girl in Romania

954
00:54:02,120 --> 00:54:04,359
Speaker 1: that was up for adoption but would never be adoptable

955
00:54:04,520 --> 00:54:07,920
Speaker 1: because she had burned her feet. What happened was in

956
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:09,960
Speaker 1: the orphanage, she was cold at night and she was

957
00:54:10,000 --> 00:54:12,320
Speaker 1: sitting next to a space heater with her plastic shoes on.

958
00:54:12,840 --> 00:54:14,719
Speaker 1: And the plastic shoes that got too close to the

959
00:54:14,760 --> 00:54:16,880
Speaker 1: space heatter while she was asleep. They melted on her

960
00:54:16,920 --> 00:54:20,359
Speaker 1: feet and caused tremendous burns and deformity of her feet,

961
00:54:20,360 --> 00:54:22,439
Speaker 1: and she couldn't walk and she may never be able

962
00:54:22,480 --> 00:54:26,160
Speaker 1: to walk, and unless she had multiple operations. And I said,

963
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:28,319
Speaker 1: you know to Andy at the time, you know, it's

964
00:54:28,680 --> 00:54:31,200
Speaker 1: just too bad that no one's gonna be able to

965
00:54:31,200 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: adopt her. About a week later, I got a call, uh,

966
00:54:35,040 --> 00:54:37,719
Speaker 1: and it was Andy, Andy Roll, and he said, we'd

967
00:54:37,760 --> 00:54:40,359
Speaker 1: like to take her. I said, what do you mean,

968
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:42,680
Speaker 1: He said, what we like to adopt her like a

969
00:54:42,719 --> 00:54:44,640
Speaker 1: little girl you talked about. And I said, Andy, you

970
00:54:44,680 --> 00:54:46,640
Speaker 1: don't know anything about her. She could have all kinds

971
00:54:46,680 --> 00:54:49,680
Speaker 1: of medical problems that you don't realize. Are you sure?

972
00:54:49,680 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: And he said, yeah, we have enough means, we have insurance,

973
00:54:53,880 --> 00:54:56,960
Speaker 1: and we have a great family, and we'd like to

974
00:54:57,200 --> 00:55:00,480
Speaker 1: bring her into our family, make her part of our lives,

975
00:55:00,560 --> 00:55:02,920
Speaker 1: and we think we can help her to become what

976
00:55:03,200 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 1: what may be a normal person. And I said, you're

977
00:55:06,080 --> 00:55:10,800
Speaker 1: sure and he said absolutely. Unfortunately, the girl had been asked,

978
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:14,239
Speaker 1: had been spoken for just a couple of days before

979
00:55:14,320 --> 00:55:17,480
Speaker 1: by some other family that adopted her. So Dr Rout

980
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,279
Speaker 1: did end up adopting her. But that's the kind of

981
00:55:20,360 --> 00:55:24,520
Speaker 1: thing that initially surprised me when in talking with doctors,

982
00:55:24,680 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: but but that that's more common than I realized that

983
00:55:28,960 --> 00:55:32,719
Speaker 1: doctors are a bunch of sappy do gooders. Scott, what's

984
00:55:32,760 --> 00:55:35,960
Speaker 1: the ultimate goal for the book? I think the goal

985
00:55:36,080 --> 00:55:38,640
Speaker 1: is to give people hope and to help them realize

986
00:55:38,680 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: there's something else out there that loves us, and and

987
00:55:42,080 --> 00:55:44,840
Speaker 1: that everyone has these experiences. If you just pay attention

988
00:55:44,880 --> 00:55:47,640
Speaker 1: and believe, you can realize that some of the strange

989
00:55:47,680 --> 00:55:50,440
Speaker 1: coincidences that you may have had may not be coincidental

990
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:53,239
Speaker 1: at all. And that's what the goal is. To have

991
00:55:53,360 --> 00:55:55,319
Speaker 1: people realize that and to get some hope in this world.

992
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 1: Pay attention and believe. Dr Scott cold Baba, thank you

993
00:56:00,080 --> 00:56:02,879
Speaker 1: so much for being our guest today. Thanks Andy, It's

994
00:56:03,760 --> 00:56:07,240
Speaker 1: and listeners, I ask that you give yourself the gift

995
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,560
Speaker 1: of believing today, whether it's a holiday, a birthday, or

996
00:56:11,600 --> 00:56:15,360
Speaker 1: a special occasion, include your loved ones, the loved ones

997
00:56:15,520 --> 00:56:18,439
Speaker 1: you can see and the loved ones you cannot see.

998
00:56:18,960 --> 00:56:21,520
Speaker 1: I want to remind you of the Einstein quote just

999
00:56:21,680 --> 00:56:25,360
Speaker 1: one more time. How are you going to live your life?

1000
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:30,919
Speaker 1: Is nothing a miracle? Or is everything a miracle? I'm

1001
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:34,239
Speaker 1: Sandra Champlain and you've been listening to Shades of the

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Speaker 1: Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast

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