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Speaker 1: Wind Down with Janet Kramer and I'm Heeart Radio podcast.

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Speaker 2: This week's Thursday Therapy. We're going to take a different

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Speaker 2: spin on it and we're going to talk all about

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Speaker 2: millennial with Kate Kennedy. So she actually got started, she

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Speaker 2: actually got to quit her job because she made this

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Speaker 2: famous doormat, and then she then quit her job. Now

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Speaker 2: is writing books, has podcasts all about pop culture and

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Speaker 2: millennial things. So considering, wait, are we have a millennial?

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Speaker 3: What? Oreay?

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Speaker 2: I actually need to know? That was one of my questions. No,

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Speaker 2: I think we're we're supposed to be, but I don't

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Speaker 2: count as a what nineteen eighty three is a what?

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Speaker 2: Oh we had no more millennials? So it says, yeah,

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Speaker 2: what's the cutoff? Ninety six? Friend, Yeah, we're goa nineteen

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Speaker 2: eighty one, eighty two, but just into eighty two. I

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Speaker 2: don't feel like I am a millennial. Oh friend, you are.

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Speaker 2: If you dance to Usher on Super Bowl, you're a millennial.

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Speaker 2: Let's get Kate on. Okay, So take us back because

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Speaker 2: when I was your bio, I was like, wait, what what?

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Speaker 2: You started selling doormats at sea and you were doing

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Speaker 2: what job?

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Speaker 3: Then I worked in like corporate market research and like

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Speaker 3: TV ratings and stuff and with like marketing effectness for advertisers.

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Speaker 3: It's a lot of buzzwords. But I, like a lot

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Speaker 3: of millennials, wanted to monetize my hobbies, you know, follow

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Speaker 3: my dream my dumb dreams, And I started a doormat

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Speaker 3: company when I was nervous about like burning down my apartment.

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Speaker 3: You know that episode of Friends or a Phoebe where

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Speaker 3: Rachel burns down BB's apartment with a straight or a

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Speaker 3: hair straightener. So I started putting turn off your curling

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Speaker 3: iron and turn off your straighter on doormat. So it's

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Speaker 3: like a welcome map, but instead it reminds you of

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Speaker 3: stuff on your way out. And called you a remind doormat.

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Speaker 3: And they kind of took off for like forgetful people

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Speaker 3: like me, And so, yeah, I left my job and

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Speaker 3: I've kind of been swinging from vines of self employment

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Speaker 3: ever since.

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Speaker 2: You just I mean, at first of all, I love

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Speaker 2: that because you're trying to almost like you're inventing yourself

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Speaker 2: as you go. That's at least what I'm trying to do. Good.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I'm talking to a soulmate when I

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Speaker 2: read your bio. First of all, I'm a huge fan

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Speaker 2: of alliteration, So Kate Kennedy really hits me, feels real

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Speaker 2: good to me. But for the dummies over here, alliteration

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Speaker 2: is what like the same letter like Roman Russell, exactly

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Speaker 2: like Roman Russell. So that's called hush fan alliteration. I

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Speaker 2: love Lily Lionne Lockhart, legend wild.

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Speaker 1: He's the middle. That's her good.

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Speaker 2: Anyways, it was funny because I was like reading your

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Speaker 2: bio and I'm like, I actually feel like you're my soulmate.

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Speaker 2: Like it's this like jack of all trades, like just

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Speaker 2: kind of going with the flow, seeing where it takes you.

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Speaker 1: And I like that about you. How old are you?

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Speaker 1: I'm thirty six. Hey, so you're younger on the millennial side.

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Speaker 1: Then no, wait, you're not.

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Speaker 3: I'm like the exact median, So it's eighty.

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Speaker 2: It's like eight right here, I've got eighty one to

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Speaker 2: ninety six, Techne ninety six. Yeah, a gen Z is

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Speaker 2: ninety seven to twenty twelve. But I feel like that's

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Speaker 2: the millennial way we create. We create, we curate, we do,

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Speaker 2: and we pave yeah and then we just figure it out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: and we like they linked along the way.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely.

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Speaker 3: I think what's so cool about millennials is like we

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Speaker 3: define what it meant to like have an online PERSONAA.

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Speaker 3: Like we came of age during the Information Age, the

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Speaker 3: most seismic, you know, technological shift of the twentieth century,

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Speaker 3: the Internet, so like we built our dreams in a

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Speaker 3: world that no longer exists. So I think there's some

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Speaker 3: people that like really rooted themselves in the traditions and

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Speaker 3: some people that were like, well, now all these opportunities

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Speaker 3: shape shiftft and pivot and kind of maximize it. And

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Speaker 3: I hate when people view it as like job hopping

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Speaker 3: or whatever. It's like, why wouldn't we harness opportunities available

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Speaker 3: and podcasting and writing is what's stuck.

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Speaker 2: The one after millennials, So they're called gen zs. Would

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Speaker 2: you rather be a gen Z millennial or Generation X,

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Speaker 2: which is exes sixty five to eighty I married an X.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, X is like they don't have people coming at

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Speaker 3: them from both sides, like Boom or State millennials and

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Speaker 3: Gen Z kind of makes fun of how cringey we are.

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Speaker 3: Like Moniker, I don't know. I love being a millennial.

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Speaker 3: The whole point of the book is like it's not

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Speaker 3: inherently cringey to have been born between eighty three and

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Speaker 3: we do talking about like our Harry Potter houses or something.

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Speaker 3: But I think that we're really dynamic because when we

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Speaker 3: came of age and yeah, i'd be a millennial.

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Speaker 1: I so I never identified Mila millennia.

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Speaker 2: I should talk for a living, talking for a living, Gate,

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Speaker 2: you don't like being a millennial.

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Speaker 1: I just have never identified as one. I'm sorry. Did

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Speaker 1: you watch a Super Bowl and in that way?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? But I think it's like I was doing different

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Speaker 2: things during Usher than like Kate was well when she

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Speaker 2: was listening. Not something I'm gonna comment on at Eastern

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Speaker 2: Michigan University, like Usher means something different to me than

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Speaker 2: it does to her.

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Speaker 3: I mean I was grinding in middle school.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Kate middle school. I feel like everyone that's true.

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Speaker 2: We did no I was the TUTSI roll. We rolled,

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Speaker 2: We didn't grind this. This is the most forty year

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Speaker 1: I two rolled. I get it cut.

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Speaker 2: But I did see this is very sidebar and we're

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Speaker 2: going to get to your book. I promised, and we're

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Speaker 2: going off on tangents. But I saw this really funny

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Speaker 2: TikTok where it was like, you know, you're a millennial

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Speaker 2: or basically mom too. When it's like she's like, we

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Speaker 2: we raised the roof. We like, we did see roll.

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Speaker 2: We like, there's who who said that? Somebody said it

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Speaker 2: did it? Was it?

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Speaker 2: Probably? But I can't. I wish people could see what

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Speaker 2: you do when you're doing to dell.

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Speaker 1: Their roof. We tootsy rolled, we like.

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Speaker 2: There was so many of them, and I mean I

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Speaker 2: was I was crying, laughing, like because I'm like, that's

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Speaker 1: That's just what we did.

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Speaker 2: But I don't know, I personally prefer I like being

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Speaker 2: a millennial. I don't know if I love gen zs.

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Speaker 2: They seem a little give to me without working hard enough.

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Speaker 2: It's kind of my some of them that I've come across,

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Speaker 2: not to stereotype all of them. I think it is

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Speaker 2: hard though, like what you're saying, and like you're stuck

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Speaker 2: in between because I know I quit teaching. I remember

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Speaker 2: my dad had a real moment with me because he

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Speaker 2: thought I had ruined my life because I wouldn't get

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Speaker 2: summers off direct quote, and and because dad said I

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Speaker 2: would never make it if I didn't go to college.

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Speaker 2: So I'm a failure. I went to college, and what

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Speaker 2: am I doing with that big question mark? But it

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Speaker 2: is interesting because I felt like I remember the job

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Speaker 2: hopping being the thing, right, like a little shaming about

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Speaker 2: the job hopping, and it was like, explain these jumps

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Speaker 2: in your resume, and do people even do resumes anymore?

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Speaker 1: I don't know. I don't did job iping too.

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Speaker 3: It's like, okay, you know, in prior generations, maybe you

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Speaker 3: could get like a pension.

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Speaker 3: But now, you know, especially a lot of millennials graduating,

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Speaker 3: like the worst economic recession since the Great Depression, like

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Speaker 3: funny rhetoric that, like, we need to be loyal to

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Speaker 3: companies on principles, but on principle, but what if companies

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Speaker 3: have never been loyal to you, Like, shouldn't you look

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Speaker 3: out for your best interest and go from job to

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Speaker 3: job where it suits you. I don't really think that

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Speaker 3: that's a bad thing, but traditional values kind of label

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he was definitely not happy with me, thought I

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Speaker 2: made the worst decision of my life. I remember, and

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Speaker 2: now teaching. Can you imagine like my teacher friends, I'm

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Speaker 2: just like, bless their souls.

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Speaker 1: It's a lot, Oh, I got a lot. Yeah. Absolutely.

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Speaker 1: In your book, One in a Millennial, what you like?

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Speaker 2: What's the thing that listeners are going to take the

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Speaker 2: most from reading your book?

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Speaker 3: I think it's a kind of sits the intersection of

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Speaker 3: two experiences, the generational one being a millennial, but also

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Speaker 3: how like the pop culture and me that I loved

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Speaker 3: But I also think there's a theme throughout girlhood, throughout

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Speaker 3: told things are insignificant, or you're told you simply emotionally

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Speaker 3: responding to things as you being dramatic, and I kind

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Speaker 3: it like, you know, verbally man spreading on the pages,

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Speaker 3: loved that you know, we're too mainstream to be sophisticated.

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Speaker 3: I kind of just wanted to own and encourage people

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Speaker 2: But that's the problem though with our generation, though, is

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we're very like, very external validation driven and in

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Speaker 3: I think that's kind of part of it. Is Like,

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Speaker 1: Wise girls live your life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, wear what you want. I wonder this, do you

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Speaker 1: Is something I wonder often.

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Speaker 2: So Janna and I both have three kids and they're

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Speaker 2: all basically the same ages, and our girls lead the charge.

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Speaker 2: I wonder do you feel like our dog will ever

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Speaker 2: feel what we have felt? Because I actually resonate with

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Speaker 2: what you're saying. I think it was like almost like

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Speaker 2: mean it was just I mean that's just culture, right,

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Speaker 2: that's fact, not opinion. So it's interesting because I wonder, then,

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Speaker 2: do you think our daughters?

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Speaker 1: Do you have kids?

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Speaker 3: die happy? You remember like dashboard, which is so extreme,

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Speaker 3: But I did that. I would like be passive aggressive

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Speaker 2: with my girlfriends. Well we learned it later. Yeah, we'll

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Speaker 2: pass away later. Yeah, okay. Kate, so you have a

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Speaker 2: Which I just enjoy feels very millennialist, a millennial ish.

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Speaker 2: you could like unapologetically no filter, what does Kate want

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Speaker 3: You know what's so crazy? And this isn't even like

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Speaker 3: been really really cool. Like to your point about LimeWire,

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Speaker 3: It's a really cool job, and I hope to be

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Speaker 3: able to do it for a while. But with internet careers,

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Speaker 3: you never know. So what's next for me is sustainability

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Speaker 3: of what I have when I get to the church.

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Speaker 2: Said amen, And Kate, where can our listeners find you?

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Speaker 3: You can find me at my podcast be there in

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Speaker 3: five wherever podcasts are, and my Instagram is at Kate

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Speaker 3: Kennedy and yeah by one on a one know wherever

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Speaker 3: books are sold. Or the audiobook Nine Months Pregnant, That

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Speaker 1: I love it.

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Speaker 2: So we're a little out of breath then, because I

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Speaker 2: would I was, I was doing mine when I was like,

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Speaker 1: Like and then he like that wanted to like you.

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Speaker 1: It's tough.

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Speaker 2: Well, thank you Kate so much for coming on mine down.

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Speaker 2: We appreciate, We appreciate you, and everyone go download her

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Speaker 2: podcast and then get her book, One in a Millennial.

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Speaker 2: Thank you guys, Thanks girl, Appreciate you, k Kye.

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Speaker 1: I Love Kate