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Speaker 1: Joining us right now is Matt Miller from ESPN. You

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Speaker 1: see them on NFL Live for coverage of the draft

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Speaker 1: all weekend long on the mothership. Matt, what's going on? Man?

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Speaker 1: I worry I'm doing Woman, It's a tradition at this

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Speaker 1: point you and I to hang out talk of the combine.

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Speaker 1: So it's good to see you again, number one. But yeah,

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Speaker 1: things are going well. It's it's been a fun week.

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Speaker 1: You know, we're just getting started. But I've had a

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Speaker 1: blast so far just watching the workouts yesterday, seeing how

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Speaker 1: fast the defensive line and linebacker groups were. Is I'm

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Speaker 1: still like a kid in a candy store at the

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Speaker 1: combine where watching those guys work out, I still I

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Speaker 1: get excited like watching them run and you know, just

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Speaker 1: see to see Will Anderson and you know, so many

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Speaker 1: great players fee in front of you working out is

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Speaker 1: for me, it's still like a dream come true. So

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Speaker 1: I still appreciate these moments. Yeah, MAT's probably been joining

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Speaker 1: here's my thirteenth combine. I'm old awesome, and of course

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Speaker 1: we'll try to get mad on again before the draft. Two. Um,

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Speaker 1: let's go here first. Who do you think really helped

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Speaker 1: themselves at the workouts yesterday? You know, Tommy had a

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Speaker 1: bare he worked out with the ends. He's a two

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Speaker 1: I agree which is and his overall workout, like his

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Speaker 1: rocked up. If you just see him, Like, tell me,

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Speaker 1: I haven't dug into his tape yet. You tell me

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Speaker 1: I'll say that. So during the season I had him

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Speaker 1: so he was a player or where you watch the

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Speaker 1: this week it almost confirms you know what you saw

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Speaker 1: don't have a lot of needs per se, why wouldn't

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Speaker 1: you draft a player like that? And like, you know what, Hey,

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Speaker 1: else do you think it really helped us yesterday? You

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Speaker 1: know this is gonna shock you, But Will Anderson I

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Speaker 1: know that it's like, oh, he's the first player in

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Speaker 1: the draft. Yes, so no, his stock didn't go up.

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Speaker 1: But to me, the statement that he made yesterday by

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Speaker 1: I think it says a lot about his character of hey,

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Speaker 1: So because he didn't have to, and he didn't have to,

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Speaker 1: We're recording this on Friday, mooring the receivers and everybody

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Speaker 1: That's the big thing. So that's why you know he

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Speaker 1: You know you mentioned Travis Kelsey, Yes, it can be.

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Speaker 1: We'll talk later in the process. Sounds good, buddy. Thank

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