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Speaker 1: When you see those birds, you know it's time for

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Speaker 1: another edition of Cardinal Territory. Jim Hay is alongside Lance

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Speaker 1: Lynn and Kyle Gibson. A lot to get to on

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Speaker 1: this edition. But Kyle, if you don't mind, Lance had

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Speaker 1: a problem traveling, and I'd like to get the story

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Speaker 1: because there was bad weather in New York and he

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Speaker 1: And because I care not just about the show, what

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Speaker 1: about you two and met holidays individuals. I would like

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Speaker 1: to hear Lance's story.

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Speaker 2: Oh you know, it's a lovely, beautiful New York snow day.

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Speaker 2: You know, you wake up on Sunday morning, You're like, man,

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Speaker 2: we've got an early flight. We had a beautiful you know,

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Speaker 2: we got to see the rockets. Mama Mia, the kids

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Speaker 2: That's how bad it is. You know you came and

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Speaker 2: see it across there. So yeah, so we sat there

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Speaker 2: probably half the flights got canceled that morning, and they

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Speaker 2: just kept pushing back. I saw, I saw Jeff Mathis

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Speaker 2: of all people in the airport with his family. They

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Speaker 2: did the same. Yeah, it was you know, it was

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Speaker 2: just like a little reunion in the airport.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 2: But you know we were salomon it in the sky club,

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Speaker 3: So you know, so so buts I got to go

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Speaker 2: Yeah. So yeah, if you want to see former teammates

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Speaker 2: old fashioned sky club day, you know, tough, tough tickets

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Speaker 2: for the kids. Uh, you know, they had to travel tough.

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Speaker 2: So the only thing would have been better is if

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Speaker 1: Kyle Ky Club membership.

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Speaker 3: No, no, Jim, I think Lan's going to have answered

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Speaker 3: that right off the rip. We don't have that clear.

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Speaker 2: Hey, if he did as a bragg because I know that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we talked about clear and tsa pre check, you know,

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Speaker 3: last time. So I think Jim is that's kind of

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Speaker 3: I'm in Clear, Jim is going to be in Clear.

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Speaker 3: It's we're in three different three different areas there.

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Speaker 1: No question about it. Well, the Cardinals did make a move.

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Speaker 1: They signed Dustin May to a one year free agent contract.

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Speaker 1: Twenty eight year old right hander seven and eleven last

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Speaker 3: going to a great city, to live in a great ballpark,

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Speaker 1: Intriguing stuff, you know. The name Brendan Donovan has drawn

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Speaker 3: What do we got here, Jim?

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Speaker 1: talent and building from there. You understand that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I understand what the concept is, but isn't that

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Speaker 2: what we've been doing since the trade deadline last year.

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Speaker 2: How many high AAA guys do we need to get

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Speaker 2: to stockpile the farm system Now. I need to see

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Speaker 2: something that we're getting back ready for big league players,

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Speaker 2: especially for guys who are not on expiring contracts or

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Speaker 2: not over the age of thirty. Then you're looking at, hey, okay,

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Speaker 2: you should be able to get multiple big league ready

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Speaker 2: players that should be on your opening A roster next year.

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Speaker 2: For a guy like Donovan, a guy like new those

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Speaker 2: guys should be big league ready players that should impact

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Speaker 2: your team next year for losing a guy like that.

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Speaker 2: That's my opinion. I understand the prospects, but we got

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Speaker 2: four low A guys in the last two trades that

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Speaker 2: we might not ever see right, So it's time to

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Speaker 2: start getting guys that we know kind of who they are.

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Speaker 2: Instead of oh, well he could be this, he could

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Speaker 2: be that. Well, it's like, no, you're getting rid of

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Speaker 2: a All Star. You're getting rid of you know, a

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Speaker 2: you know, floor in New that is a very good

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Speaker 2: or a good major league player could be a printing

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Speaker 2: All Star of health and some things go better his way,

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Speaker 2: and then next thing, you know, hey, I want to

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Speaker 2: see what I'm getting back now, because that's if they're

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Speaker 2: in double A or if they're in triple A, you

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Speaker 2: know what you're getting. If they got a cup of coffee,

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Speaker 2: you've got a good idea, you've got a book on them.

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Speaker 2: But these high A guys and stuff like that, you

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Speaker 2: have no idea what they're going to be. And I

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Speaker 2: think it's risky as much as it's, oh, you need

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Speaker 2: all these prospects, it's very risky to get a bunch

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Speaker 2: of loway hey guys, because you really don't know who

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Speaker 2: how they're even going to mature enough to even handle,

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Speaker 2: you know, being a major leaguer, because you don't even

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Speaker 2: know what they're what they're like mentally.

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Speaker 1: Yet quite well taken. One of the little news tidbits

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Speaker 1: could tell Marte has a no trade, but he has

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Speaker 1: some teams he's willing to accept the trade. The Cardinals

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Speaker 1: are on that list. Wilson Contreras has a no trade.

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Speaker 1: Supposedly he's willing to discuss possible trade locations. We've already

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Speaker 1: done that. So I'm gonna ask you, guys, you're a

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Speaker 1: major leaguer, Kyle with a no trade, what do you

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Speaker 1: think some of the things you're looking at in terms

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Speaker 1: of what would be a good landing spot for me

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Speaker 1: and my family.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean if you're looking, if you're looking family wise,

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Speaker 3: then you know you're calling around, talking to people that

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Speaker 3: you know around the league and see and that's somewhere

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Speaker 3: you want to live seeing if it's you know, probably

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Speaker 3: not asking about the family and probably not asking about

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Speaker 3: stuff off the field as much for that, but you're

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Speaker 3: trying to look at it a little bit as a

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Speaker 3: free agent saying, Okay, what part of the country don't

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Speaker 3: don't I want to go to? What type of what

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Speaker 3: type of market do I not want to go to?

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Speaker 3: Hitting wise, if you're a hitter, what kind of field

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Speaker 3: do you not want to play on?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 3: Do you want to play on? Maybe he's looking at

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Speaker 3: opportunity to play, doesn't want to switch positions. I think

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Speaker 3: there's probably a lot that goes into that.

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Speaker 1: How about you, Lance, And this is our last thing,

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Speaker 1: lance Lynn has a note trade, but they want to

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Speaker 1: trade them. What are you looking at, Lance?

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Speaker 2: Well, I have I have fortunately lifted a no trade

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Speaker 2: in my in my in my day. So you look

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Speaker 2: at a lot of different variables. It starts with putting

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Speaker 2: the list together, right. My note trade was full of

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Speaker 2: teams that I thought would trade for me, so I

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Speaker 2: can control things, maybe even a new contract. Like there

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Speaker 2: was more said than that, I didn't put teams that

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Speaker 2: on there were bad because I didn't plan on pitching,

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Speaker 2: and bad enough to where I would get traded to

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Speaker 2: those teams. And I was making too much money for

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Speaker 2: those teams to even take me. So my thought was,

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Speaker 2: all right, I'm gonna put all the teams on there

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Speaker 2: that I know that we'll be looking to add a

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Speaker 2: veteran starter and aren't afraid of the money, and then

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Speaker 2: I can control the market on where I'm going to

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Speaker 2: go and what I can do. And that was my

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Speaker 2: mindset and the no trade, and then I lifted it

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Speaker 2: to LA. There's I would say, most every team on

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Speaker 2: my no trade a year I left Chicago I would

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Speaker 2: have went to So it was one of those things

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Speaker 2: where I had a ten team no trade, but I

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Speaker 2: picked at ten teams that I thought were going to

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Speaker 2: be in the playoffs so I can control where I

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Speaker 2: was going to go. I wasn't worried about the pirates.

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Speaker 2: I was not playing, and everyone's like, oh, what if

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Speaker 2: you would have got traded somewhere you didn't want to

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Speaker 2: go that wasn't in the playoffs. I was simple. Kyle's

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Speaker 2: heard this before. I'll just take my ass home if

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Speaker 2: I don't want to go there, I'm not worried about

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Speaker 2: you always have a no trade jam if you don't

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Speaker 2: give a damn what people think.

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Speaker 1: That's awesome, that is awesome. That's gonna do it for this.

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Speaker 2: I was there. I was there when I pulled. I

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Speaker 2: had a no trade in Texas without a no trade, So.

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Speaker 1: You don't need a no trade to have a no trade.

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Speaker 3: Will never I will never forget those conversations like, well,

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Speaker 3: what if you go here? It's like, I'm not going there.

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Speaker 3: What do you mean go there? I don't have no trade.

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Speaker 3: I've got a no trade. Everyone's gonna what Yeah? And

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Speaker 3: I used that. I used that no trade with no

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Speaker 3: trade in Texas is great.

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Speaker 1: Well, you also got to be sitting on a nice

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Speaker 1: bag as the kids saying, no, you like that, Kyle?

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Speaker 2: Uh?

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Speaker 1: Because trade.

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Speaker 2: In the show one bag, We'll get you.

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Speaker 1: I's gonna do it for this edition of Cardinal Territory.

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Speaker 1: episode won't suck.

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