WEBVTT - 052723 Why is the GOP so Loyal to Trump? (Part B)

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<v Speaker 1>discouraged because of an earlier topic, heartbroken and uh less

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<v Speaker 1>and less hopeful.

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<v Speaker 3>I got enough hope for the both of us. I

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<v Speaker 3>don't worry about that. Wow. Man, Well listen, this is

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<v Speaker 3>my partner q Ward and uh we do the show

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<v Speaker 3>appreciate you listening for the next part of the show

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<v Speaker 3>because we've got more to talk about. We're gonna be

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<v Speaker 3>discussing why GOP voters are so loyal to Trump. It's

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<v Speaker 3>uh eluded me, and I think I have a little

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<v Speaker 3>bit more insight.

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<v Speaker 1>It has not eluded me.

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<v Speaker 3>out to the Smithsonian. We like those guys. They treat

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<v Speaker 3>us good, and I will read. The Smithsonian National Museum

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<v Speaker 3>of African American History and Culture, will host its second

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<v Speaker 3>annual hip Hop block Party this August, featuring performances, interactive art,

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<v Speaker 3>and focused exhibits celebrating fifty years of the genre. The

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<v Speaker 3>block party will take place on Saturday, August twelfth, The

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<v Speaker 3>museum announced recently. The event will be held at the

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<v Speaker 3>intersection of Madison Drive north less than fourteenth Street northwest,

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<v Speaker 3>outside of the museum. This is in Washington, d C.

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<v Speaker 3>For those that don't know, and it is worth it

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<v Speaker 3>to make your way there. I know Q and I

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<v Speaker 3>are going to be there. You and I have been there.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait to go back.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes, and we have a lot of friends there and

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<v Speaker 3>supporters there, and it's just an awesome time, in a

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<v Speaker 3>life changing experience to have. We wouldn't say it if

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<v Speaker 3>it wasn't true. Man, even me who grew up with

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<v Speaker 3>all this beautiful history that is troubled and hard and

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<v Speaker 3>gorgeous and inspirational and all of everything in the middle man,

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<v Speaker 3>it grew me up even more than I thought I

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<v Speaker 3>would experience in a museum like that. Please go all right,

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<v Speaker 3>I'll keep reading. A full time lineup of artists and

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<v Speaker 3>programming will be released in the coming months, according to

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<v Speaker 3>the museum. The event will be free to attend, though

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<v Speaker 3>tickets are required for entry, and will be available online

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<v Speaker 3>in July. While the inaugural twenty twenty two celebration mark

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<v Speaker 3>the one year anniversary of the Smithsonian's Anthology of Hip

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<v Speaker 3>Hop and Rap, this summer's event will celebrate fifty years

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<v Speaker 3>of the Revolution and Innovation. In conjunction with the event,

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<v Speaker 3>the museum will install an outdoor panel exhibition including artifacts

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<v Speaker 3>from the museum's collection. The party also coincides with the

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<v Speaker 3>museum's high profile Afrofuturism exhibit. So again, the Smithsonian National

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<v Speaker 3>Museum of African American History and Culture in Washington.

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<v Speaker 1>D C.

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<v Speaker 3>Be there, all right? Why are GOP voters sol loyal

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<v Speaker 3>to Trump? I want to let you know that I

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<v Speaker 3>sourced a lot of our talking points from a conversation

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<v Speaker 3>from an article was published in The Hill and the

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<v Speaker 3>author was Caroline Vakil. So credit where it's due, because

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<v Speaker 3>these are some interesting things to think about. And of

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<v Speaker 3>course I want to shout out Yahoo News as well

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<v Speaker 3>for sending this over, I'll read a bit. Trump's lead

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<v Speaker 3>in the presumptive field of GOP presidential candidates has widened

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<v Speaker 3>in most polling, even as he finds himself embroiled in

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<v Speaker 3>high profile legal battles and as the party grapples with

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<v Speaker 3>a worse than expected midterm election. That by itself is

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<v Speaker 3>it shouldn't be surprising, and yet it still is. Now.

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<v Speaker 3>You bring up this point quite a bit on the

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<v Speaker 3>show Cube. Once upon a time we had a video

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<v Speaker 3>of a man who's running for president on a bus

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<v Speaker 3>with a reporter or journal or something like that, and

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<v Speaker 3>he says, you know, if you're famous, they let you

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<v Speaker 3>do it. You can walk up to a woman if

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<v Speaker 3>you're a celebrity and just grab them by the genitals.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean, I'm sure you know the word if you

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<v Speaker 3>live in the same country as I do, because it

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<v Speaker 3>was everywhere, And you make this point quite frequently, Q

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<v Speaker 3>that that historically would have been enough to not only

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<v Speaker 3>invalidate someone's presidential run and disqualify them from being the

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<v Speaker 3>presumptive nominee or a major political party, but it would

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<v Speaker 3>have kind of had them blacklisted from politics altogether and

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<v Speaker 3>from everything. Every Yeah, exactly exactly. And so when I

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<v Speaker 3>say that this is it shouldn't be surprising, and yet

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<v Speaker 3>it is. I mean that because this is, this behavior

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<v Speaker 3>is still shocking. This man can be convicted, he can

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<v Speaker 3>be determined to be guilty and liable and uh, what's

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<v Speaker 3>the word where they indicted and charged? Criminally charged over

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<v Speaker 3>and over and over again, and all his cronies over

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<v Speaker 3>and over and over again. And somehow on the right

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<v Speaker 3>there's this narrative that Joe Biden is at the head

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<v Speaker 3>of this like criminal family, the Joe Biden crime family.

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<v Speaker 3>From what I understand, Joe Biden's son has had a

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<v Speaker 3>problem with addiction, and see he's lived kind of a

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<v Speaker 3>wild lifestyle. Joe Biden not a perfect man, none of

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<v Speaker 3>these people are. Indeed, I'm not either. But when you

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<v Speaker 3>compare him to Donald Trump in terms of like integrity

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<v Speaker 3>and quality of human being by any any measure, from

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<v Speaker 3>any any standard that any human being has, any moral standard,

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<v Speaker 3>pull it straight from the Bible, if you will, right,

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<v Speaker 3>because many people do that there is no comparison. It

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<v Speaker 3>is not even fair. It is so overtly, out loud,

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<v Speaker 3>in front of your face, hypocritical, and as you mentioned, Q,

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<v Speaker 3>people will see it right in front of their face

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<v Speaker 3>and be like, Nah, that isn't it. It's like, no,

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<v Speaker 3>we see it. We're looking at it. Nah. And it's

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<v Speaker 3>like I know they're not delusional. I know they're not

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<v Speaker 3>in denial.

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<v Speaker 1>They used to. They used to say, Nah, that ain't it.

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<v Speaker 1>They do not anymore.

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<v Speaker 4>Okay, I see where you're going. They embrace it, they

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<v Speaker 4>used to say, because I guess we can be straightforward here.

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<v Speaker 4>Capitalism would have once required them to deny it to

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<v Speaker 4>protect their bottom line. One of the scariest and lowest

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<v Speaker 4>points in my life was that man, with all that

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<v Speaker 4>we know about him, with all that we knew about

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<v Speaker 4>him prior to that video, but with all that we

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<v Speaker 4>knew about him prior with that video and all that

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<v Speaker 4>we've learned since, still becoming the president. Because then every

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<v Speaker 4>other person that was pretending to be decent realized.

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<v Speaker 3>Oh, I don't have to do that no more. Let

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<v Speaker 3>me tell you how I really feel.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't have to pretend to not be racist anymore.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only can I still make money, I can

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<v Speaker 1>become the president of the United.

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<v Speaker 3>States, and we see these other people, I can be.

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<v Speaker 1>A racist, fascist, sexist, bigot, and everyone can know it,

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<v Speaker 1>and I can still become president. And then even after

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<v Speaker 1>doing a horrible job at presidenting, even after making a

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<v Speaker 1>mockery of the office, even after inciting a riot.

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<v Speaker 3>Hold on, even after running up twenty five percent of

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<v Speaker 3>our national debt that happened under Donald Trump's administration, I can.

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<v Speaker 1>Still get the sixty million people to come out and

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<v Speaker 1>vote for me.

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<v Speaker 3>How about that?

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<v Speaker 1>So why would I ever pretend to be anything other

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<v Speaker 1>than what I am? Actually, let me dig in a

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<v Speaker 1>little down, let me let me go a little bit harder,

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<v Speaker 1>because not only will I not be punished, I'll be exalted,

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<v Speaker 1>I'll be lifted up.

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<v Speaker 3>I'll be deified.

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<v Speaker 1>Like trump Ism is almost a religion now, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>after one of our shows, I had to show Rama's

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<v Speaker 1>a video of a woman telling her daughters that it

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<v Speaker 1>was okay for a man to grope them because she

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<v Speaker 1>just doubled down on her support of Donald Trump. So

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<v Speaker 1>rather than say, you know what, maybe I was tripping, Nope,

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<v Speaker 1>he is who he is and who he is who

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<v Speaker 1>we believe in. So she turns to her daughters and

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<v Speaker 1>coaches them into saying it's no big deal for a

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<v Speaker 1>man to grope them and touch them unappropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>It was it was really gross video to watch.

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<v Speaker 1>So yeah, and this wasn't in private, This was on

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<v Speaker 1>a low news on television. It might have been national news.

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<v Speaker 1>Cameras pointed at them, made her daughters humiliate themselves an

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<v Speaker 1>effort to stand in support of a man she's never met.

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<v Speaker 1>It is really really scary and disturbing.

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<v Speaker 3>So we need to figure out why, Well, these are

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<v Speaker 3>human beings, and we need to have the conversation. I

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<v Speaker 3>give what you're saying. I'm not trying to figure out why.

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<v Speaker 3>Let me let me say that. I say I say

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<v Speaker 3>this with some frequency on the show. We started this show,

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<v Speaker 3>and we knew that we were going to have to

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<v Speaker 3>love our way through some very challenging times, right, and.

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<v Speaker 1>We though, and I don't I don't say that to

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<v Speaker 1>say that to knock us off track, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>at some point we figured that with love and with reason,

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<v Speaker 1>we'd be met with to be able to get to

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<v Speaker 1>a common place. I do not think now such a

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<v Speaker 1>place exists anymore for.

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<v Speaker 4>Me.

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<v Speaker 3>None of this stuff that I do, not here, not anywhere,

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<v Speaker 3>works without the belief that it is possible. Now here's

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<v Speaker 3>where I allow the space for this conversation and to

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<v Speaker 3>learn what is going through the minds of these people.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's the point, Okay, I realized that human beings are imperfect.

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<v Speaker 3>I realize that human beings, black people, we are the

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<v Speaker 3>first human being, and all people are susceptible, vulnerable to fear.

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<v Speaker 3>We have a drive to protect our species, our posterity,

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<v Speaker 3>our lineage, et cetera. And you know that list goes on,

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<v Speaker 3>and we are motivated to take action or corrective action

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<v Speaker 3>by what we perceive as fear. And if we can

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<v Speaker 3>be tricked, other people can be tricked. One of the

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<v Speaker 3>things that helped me frame this is that when doctor

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<v Speaker 3>King was alive. We talk about this quite a bit.

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<v Speaker 3>When Doctor King was alive, he had a twenty percent

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<v Speaker 3>of approval rating from black people, meaning eighty percent of

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<v Speaker 3>Black people did not approve of doctor King, not as policies,

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<v Speaker 3>not as anything like that. We can be lost in

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<v Speaker 3>the sauce too, Okay. So when I look on the

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<v Speaker 3>right and I see, forgive me my brothers and sisters,

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<v Speaker 3>When I look at police, when I look at that

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<v Speaker 3>police officer that was messing with me last week, there

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<v Speaker 3>has to be a part of me that says, this

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<v Speaker 3>is my brother. He's lost and I'm older than he is,

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<v Speaker 3>so it's more like this is my son. I'm from

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<v Speaker 3>Africa to most ancient people, right, that's the spirit that

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<v Speaker 3>moves this body. So I have to look and say, okay,

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<v Speaker 3>the love that has caused me to be here, I

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<v Speaker 3>have to draw from that well in order to interact

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<v Speaker 3>appropriately with my brother or my son. That might be lost.

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<v Speaker 3>Now he might have a gun, they might have a

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<v Speaker 3>political power to my you know this and the third

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<v Speaker 3>But as a philosophy, as a person who studied doctor

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<v Speaker 3>King and Malcolm X, it realizes that there was indeed

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<v Speaker 3>a place for both of those philosophies. Trust me, I

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<v Speaker 3>be Malcolm X A lot of the time. I have

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<v Speaker 3>to realize that without love, a what's inside of me

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't really work. I was made out of love. My

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<v Speaker 3>mother and my father loved each other. That's where that's

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<v Speaker 3>why I exist. And then be I feel like you

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<v Speaker 3>can have a meaningful conversation based out of love, and

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<v Speaker 3>you can have a divisive, destructive conversation when you don't

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<v Speaker 3>have that, and it could get devolved, not even with

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<v Speaker 3>your intention, it could get devolved because they're on their

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<v Speaker 3>weird stuff. In other words, it's like interacting with a

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<v Speaker 3>little kid. If I meet a little kid where the

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<v Speaker 3>little kid is a little kid, don't know no better,

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<v Speaker 3>and then I do, so that it's not gonna work.

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<v Speaker 3>I have to have a little bit more patience. And

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<v Speaker 3>I don't mean no disrespect. Well, I kind of do

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<v Speaker 3>mean disrespect, because a lot of these people need to

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<v Speaker 3>grow up. But I don't mean it like they're beyond redemption.

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<v Speaker 3>I mean that it's going to be along road. It

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<v Speaker 3>might not happen in my lifetime. And the conversation that

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<v Speaker 3>we're having right now.

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<v Speaker 1>How many lifetimes?

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<v Speaker 3>That's an excellent question and a valid question. And I

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<v Speaker 3>don't know the answer, man, but I you and I

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<v Speaker 3>both know that, like, don't let you feel fuel you

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<v Speaker 3>ladies and gentlemen. Q has a heart big as his chest.

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<v Speaker 3>She is a lover too.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, So Ramses has said that out loud, and it's true,

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<v Speaker 1>and that it's part of the reason that there's callous Now,

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<v Speaker 1>how long is my heart supposed to be exposed and

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<v Speaker 1>broken and stepped on and stabbed and shot and hang

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<v Speaker 1>and burned? How many cheeks do I have to turn?

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<v Speaker 1>How much time do we have? How many lifetimes?

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<v Speaker 3>Mine?

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<v Speaker 1>My father's his fathers, his fathers, his fathers, his father Like,

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<v Speaker 1>at some point this road is long, sure, but if

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<v Speaker 1>we're both walking that way, then we'll get there. If

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<v Speaker 1>the other person has either stopped or started walking the

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<v Speaker 1>opposite direction, then what are we doing?

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah?

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<v Speaker 1>Right, because this double down has gotten to be ridiculous

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<v Speaker 1>at this point, Like I said, there is no longer

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<v Speaker 1>a denial of the racism. There's no longer aim to

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<v Speaker 1>see this twer is no longer a pretending to be

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<v Speaker 1>ignorant anymore. There is no longer a requirement for them

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<v Speaker 1>to be righteous or just. They are singular in this

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<v Speaker 1>idea of white supremacy. I don't We don't have to

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<v Speaker 1>dance around us and unite it on it in a

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<v Speaker 1>way that is terrifying. Sure, because the rest of us,

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<v Speaker 1>they're leaning right meaning people, just meaning people, good intentioned people,

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<v Speaker 1>are not united on anything. And the party that is

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<v Speaker 1>united on racism and white.

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<v Speaker 3>Supremacy is very united.

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<v Speaker 1>They're very united, and they're all going to show up

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<v Speaker 1>and vote. So they're not just Florida, not just Texas,

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<v Speaker 1>not just Kansas, but everywhere can start to adopt and

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<v Speaker 1>vote on laws that make it illegal for us to

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<v Speaker 1>exist so let me say this. We don't get to

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<v Speaker 1>have history in some of these states right now. This

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<v Speaker 1>is not something that's mythological or that might happen, or

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<v Speaker 1>that was introduced and perceived to be ridiculous. Because I

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<v Speaker 1>have friends that argue with me when some of those

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<v Speaker 1>bills were introduced. I said, this is scary, and they

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<v Speaker 1>said to me out loud, there's no way that's going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Why do you believe that? What evidence do

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<v Speaker 1>you have that makes you think that there's no way

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<v Speaker 1>it's going to happen.

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<v Speaker 3>Donald Trump won, that happened.

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<v Speaker 1>That happened. He's the person most likely to win again.

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<v Speaker 1>And you can say the first time caught you off guard.

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<v Speaker 1>You thought they was just playing. You thought there was

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<v Speaker 1>no chance he will went okay, now that he has

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<v Speaker 1>back in the front again and the people on the

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<v Speaker 1>other side are not even pretending to be decent, keep

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to meet in the middle, and they keep standing

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<v Speaker 1>right justified. So again, so meeting in the middle means

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<v Speaker 1>meeting on the right.

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<v Speaker 3>On their side. I understand this.

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<v Speaker 1>And only we want to meet in the middle.

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<v Speaker 3>They have no interest.

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<v Speaker 1>You guys, come over here or not. Everything that you're

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do that's actually for the people we cool

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<v Speaker 1>on that we're not letting it happen. No so, and

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<v Speaker 1>the people you're trying to do it for are going

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<v Speaker 1>to sour because you didn't deliver on any of those promises.

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<v Speaker 1>They're going to stop voting our people. Are you not

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<v Speaker 1>on any single front. It is not about policy, It

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<v Speaker 1>is not even about doing what's in the best interest

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<v Speaker 1>of your constituents. It is white supremacy, racism, the word

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<v Speaker 1>that they're making illegal out loud in front of everyone.

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<v Speaker 1>And we have to keep hope alive.

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<v Speaker 3>Yes on what Yes, yes, absolutely so. Now I said

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<v Speaker 3>something earlier in the show. I said that we are

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<v Speaker 3>a liberal country. We are a liberal plant planet. Now

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<v Speaker 3>I don't want to say that that means that everybody's

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<v Speaker 3>a liberal is good and everybody who's conservative is bad.

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<v Speaker 3>Is that's pain with two broader strokes. And it's not

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<v Speaker 3>entirely accurate.

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<v Speaker 1>Used to not be accurate, it's still not entirely conservative

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<v Speaker 1>in this country. It's almost synonymous with that. And well

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<v Speaker 1>here's very very negative. Just so let me so, let

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<v Speaker 1>me add let me add to that, let me add

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<v Speaker 1>to that. I happen to know that even this show

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<v Speaker 1>where we're sharing these ideas and these thoughts right now

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<v Speaker 1>with our listeners. This would not be on the radio

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<v Speaker 1>in certain cities had it not been for white men

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<v Speaker 1>who were admittedly conservative saying this program is necessary. These

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<v Speaker 1>are conversations we need to have. So I recognize that

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<v Speaker 1>for me to paint with that broad a stroke might

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<v Speaker 1>be inappropriate.

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<v Speaker 3>Are there huge problems that are affecting our people and

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<v Speaker 3>our brothers and sisters who are also minorities in this

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<v Speaker 3>country that stem from that wing of the government.

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<v Speaker 1>Absolutely, how you're voting, who you support, means more than

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<v Speaker 1>even the opportunity that you extend to me to talk

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<v Speaker 1>about this stuff.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, Okay, I realize that, But it is also possible

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<v Speaker 3>for a person to vote a certain way and shut

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<v Speaker 3>the door in our face. And half of something is

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<v Speaker 3>better than all of nothing.

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<v Speaker 1>So as long as you pay for me to go

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<v Speaker 1>to college, it's fine that you've abused me my whole life.

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<v Speaker 1>See how ridiculous it sounds, No, So sure a person

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<v Speaker 1>could double down on it, But I don't get to

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<v Speaker 1>pretend like you didn't abuse me because you pay for college.

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<v Speaker 1>If after you know better, if after you say yeah,

0:21:20.520 --> 0:21:23.160
<v Speaker 1>you guys do need to talk about that. If that's

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<v Speaker 1>still how you think and still how you vote and

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<v Speaker 1>stell who you support, then I don't care.

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<v Speaker 3>So let me say this again. There's there's a.

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<v Speaker 1>Because you no longer have the plausable and not belie.

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<v Speaker 1>That's my point. I know as people, they're no longer

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<v Speaker 1>pretending to even here's here's.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what I'm saying you you're not wrong. I can't

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<v Speaker 3>say that you're wrong. What I can say is that

0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:53.960
<v Speaker 3>there's always a way that I have found to be

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<v Speaker 3>hopeful in the outcomes that shape the world that I

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<v Speaker 3>would like to see my sons and my grandchildren and

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<v Speaker 3>great grandchildren grow up in. And to look at a

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<v Speaker 3>person who abused me, who then paid for me to

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<v Speaker 3>go to college, It's an awful reality to have to

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<v Speaker 3>deal with. It's awful reality, especially if they're still abusing you. Sure, sure, sure,

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<v Speaker 3>you're not wrong. But I realize that no matter what,

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<v Speaker 3>this is a long road full of baby steps, and

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<v Speaker 3>a long road means yes, several lifetimes for several people.

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<v Speaker 3>I said in the beginning of this show, nobody deserves this,

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<v Speaker 3>but here we are, and we have made progress. We

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<v Speaker 3>have made progress and I believe that we will continue

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<v Speaker 3>to make progress. The thing is, we are up against

0:22:55.119 --> 0:23:01.240
<v Speaker 3>people like these loyalists who here I'll read this real quick.

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<v Speaker 3>Through the presidential debates and primaries, polsters and even some

0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:11.240
<v Speaker 3>anti Trump Republicans point to the former president's recent indictment

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<v Speaker 3>and is no hold bar no holds bar approach to

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<v Speaker 3>his GOP rivals as being among the reasons that some

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<v Speaker 3>of the party are still leaning toward the former president.

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<v Speaker 3>They like the fact that he's a bully. They like

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<v Speaker 3>the fact that he gets in trouble and breaks.

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<v Speaker 1>The rules everything about him.

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<v Speaker 3>They like the fact that he uses nicknames. They call

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<v Speaker 3>him a giga chad. This is a term that they use.

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<v Speaker 3>It's like the ultimate buff white guy that doesn't take

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<v Speaker 3>any mess and gets all the girls and the sort

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<v Speaker 3>of thing. It's like an internet meme, really gross, cartoonish

0:23:42.480 --> 0:23:44.359
<v Speaker 3>looking thing, like something off Abuts and b Head, But

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<v Speaker 3>it exists. And a lot of people think that he's

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<v Speaker 3>their greatest chance at fighting back against the great replacement theory.

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<v Speaker 3>A lot of white people think that they're being replaced intentionally,

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<v Speaker 3>and I think Donald Trump is their best chance to

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<v Speaker 3>push back against the US that are controlling the media

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:05.040
<v Speaker 3>and the liberals that run the country deep state, we're

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<v Speaker 3>trying to replace white voters and white people in this country,

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<v Speaker 3>which is all unfounded. But if that's their reality, then

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<v Speaker 3>Trump is their guy. So we have to move on, unfortunately,

0:24:16.600 --> 0:24:18.800
<v Speaker 3>because there's a lot more to talk about there, obviously,

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<v Speaker 3>but it's time for the Way Black History Fact and

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<v Speaker 3>and Central parkyc dot org so you can go and

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<v Speaker 3>check out the full stories. We had to just kind

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<v Speaker 3>of compile some stuff to share this with you today,

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<v Speaker 3>but I'll read since eighteen fifty nine, millions of people

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<v Speaker 3>have enjoyed the natural beauty of Central Park. What do

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<v Speaker 3>you know about the origins of Central Park? Did you

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<v Speaker 3>know that before the park existed, the land it lies

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<v Speaker 3>on was home to about sixteen hundred residents. One neighborhood

0:25:04.640 --> 0:25:06.960
<v Speaker 3>that once lay within the boundaries of the park was

0:25:07.000 --> 0:25:10.240
<v Speaker 3>called Seneca Village, although the residents may not have called

0:25:10.280 --> 0:25:13.040
<v Speaker 3>it that So that's what we're talking about today for

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<v Speaker 3>our way black history fact Seneca Village. All right. No

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<v Speaker 3>photographs of Seneca Village survive, and no personal papers or

0:25:20.000 --> 0:25:22.800
<v Speaker 3>living descendants of its residents have yet been found. So

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<v Speaker 3>how do we know anything about it? What we do know,

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<v Speaker 3>and why should we care? An important story about this

0:25:28.800 --> 0:25:32.480
<v Speaker 3>place emerges from newspaper articles, maps, census data, and other

0:25:32.520 --> 0:25:35.600
<v Speaker 3>records of the day. Seneca Village deserves our attention as

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<v Speaker 3>one of the first communities of free African American property

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<v Speaker 3>owners and immigrants in pre Civil War New York. That's great,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't it. Well the story, the story gets a lot darker.

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<v Speaker 3>So turn that brown upside now, all right, here we go.

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<v Speaker 3>Here's what we know. Seneca Village existed between eighteen twenty

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<v Speaker 3>five and eighteen fifty seven. The boundaries of Seneca Village

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<v Speaker 3>were roughly eighty second Street to eighty ninth Street, between

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<v Speaker 3>Seventh Street and eighth Avenues for those that live in

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<v Speaker 3>New York or have been to New York, basically where

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<v Speaker 3>Central Park is or Central Parks a lot bigger than this,

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<v Speaker 3>but it was right in the middle of Central Park. Initially,

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<v Speaker 3>John and Elizabeth Whitehead, a white couple bought the land

0:26:15.520 --> 0:26:19.040
<v Speaker 3>that made up Seneca Village. They soon subdivided and sold

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<v Speaker 3>it to Andrew Young Epiphany Davis, both African Americans, and

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<v Speaker 3>the African Methodist Episcopal Zion Church out to the Amy Church.

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<v Speaker 3>In the eighteen forties, Irish and German immigrants began moving in.

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<v Speaker 3>All these groups may have enjoyed being far away from

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<v Speaker 3>the dirty, crowded slums downtown Manhattan, where most Irish, German,

0:26:38.440 --> 0:26:41.720
<v Speaker 3>and African people lived. The eighteen fifty five census reported

0:26:41.720 --> 0:26:44.760
<v Speaker 3>two hundred and sixty four residents of Seneca Village. For

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<v Speaker 3>African Americans, Seneca Village offered the opportunity to live in

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<v Speaker 3>an autonomous community far from the densely populated downtown. Despite

0:26:52.240 --> 0:26:55.240
<v Speaker 3>New York State's abolition of slavery in eighteen twenty seven,

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<v Speaker 3>demest sorry discrimination was still prevalent throughout New York City

0:26:59.800 --> 0:27:03.760
<v Speaker 3>and severely limited the lives of African Americans. Seneca Village's

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<v Speaker 3>remote location likely provided a refuge from this climate. It

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<v Speaker 3>also would have provided an escape from the unhealthy and

0:27:11.040 --> 0:27:13.800
<v Speaker 3>crowded conditions of the city and access to more space

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<v Speaker 3>space both inside and outside of the home compared to

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<v Speaker 3>other African Americans living in New York, residents of Seneca

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<v Speaker 3>Village seemed to have been more stable and prosperous. By

0:27:24.400 --> 0:27:27.120
<v Speaker 3>eighteen fifty five, approximately half of them owned their homes.

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<v Speaker 3>With property ownership came other rights not commonly held by

0:27:29.960 --> 0:27:33.240
<v Speaker 3>African Americans in the city, namely the right to vote.

0:27:33.600 --> 0:27:36.240
<v Speaker 3>In eighteen twenty one, New York State required African American

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<v Speaker 3>men to own at least two hundred and fifty dollars

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<v Speaker 3>in property and hold residency for at least three years

0:27:41.440 --> 0:27:43.720
<v Speaker 3>to be able to vote. Of the one hundred Black

0:27:43.760 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 3>New Yorkers eligible to vote in eighteen forty five, ten

0:27:47.400 --> 0:27:51.840
<v Speaker 3>lived in Seneca Village. The fact that many residents were

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<v Speaker 3>property owners contradict some common mis perceptions during the mid

0:27:55.920 --> 0:27:58.480
<v Speaker 3>nineteenth century that the people living on the land slated

0:27:58.480 --> 0:28:01.520
<v Speaker 3>for the park were poor squad living in shanties. In

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<v Speaker 3>other words, in order to take the land from them

0:28:03.840 --> 0:28:08.080
<v Speaker 3>to build the park, they had to spread falsehoods about

0:28:08.080 --> 0:28:10.240
<v Speaker 3>the black people living there, saying that they lived in squalor,

0:28:10.280 --> 0:28:13.160
<v Speaker 3>when actually this was a prosperous neighborhood. We'll get there.

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<v Speaker 3>While some residents lived in shanties and in crowded conditions.

0:28:17.240 --> 0:28:20.320
<v Speaker 3>Most lived into two story homes. Census records show that

0:28:20.400 --> 0:28:24.080
<v Speaker 3>residents were employed, with African Americans typically employed as laborers

0:28:24.119 --> 0:28:27.000
<v Speaker 3>and in service jobs, the main options for them at

0:28:27.040 --> 0:28:29.320
<v Speaker 3>the time. Records also show that most children who lived

0:28:29.320 --> 0:28:33.040
<v Speaker 3>in Seneca Village attended school. According to data, this community

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<v Speaker 3>was comprised of mostly working class people and some rising

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<v Speaker 3>middle class folks. However, prejudice against African Americans and the

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<v Speaker 3>Irish sometimes caused newspapers to report otherwise. One newspaper article

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<v Speaker 3>compared African Americans and Seneca Village and Irish residents of

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<v Speaker 3>a lower part of the park. It states that Seneca

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<v Speaker 3>Village is a neat little settlement that presents a pleasing

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<v Speaker 3>contrast to their habits and the appearance of their dwellings

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<v Speaker 3>to the Celtic occupants in the lower part of the park.

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<v Speaker 3>If some of the hogs, goats and other inmates of

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<v Speaker 3>the shanties in this vicinity do not die of the

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<v Speaker 3>yellow fever this summer, it will only be because death

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<v Speaker 3>himself hesitates to enter such dirty hovels. And that was

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<v Speaker 3>something printed in the New York Daily Times on July ninth,

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<v Speaker 3>eighteen fifty six. All right, other articles referred to the

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<v Speaker 3>residents of Seneca Village as squatters, as though they were

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<v Speaker 3>living illegally on public lands while they still own them.

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<v Speaker 3>In eighteen fifty three, the city government approved a plan

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<v Speaker 3>to use something called imminent domain to take over all

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<v Speaker 3>land in what is now Central Park during the eighth sorry.

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<v Speaker 3>During the early eighteen fifties, the city began planning a

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<v Speaker 3>large municipal park to counter unhealthful urban conditions and provide

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<v Speaker 3>space for recreation. In eighteen fifty three, the New York

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<v Speaker 3>State legislature enacted a law that set aside seven hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and seventy five acres of land in Manhattan from fifty

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<v Speaker 3>nine to one hundred and six Street between Fifth and

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<v Speaker 3>eighth Avenues to create the country's first major landscaped public park.

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<v Speaker 3>Imminent domain is the state's power to take over private

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<v Speaker 3>lands for public use. The government offered to pay owners

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<v Speaker 3>what it claimed was their fair value for their land.

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<v Speaker 3>They offered nothing to families who rented property in Seneca Village.

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<v Speaker 3>Many of the land owners believed the government was not

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<v Speaker 3>valuing the land highly enough, which is likely true given

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<v Speaker 3>the history of this country's treatment of black people, and

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<v Speaker 3>at that time Irish people too, all right, African American

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<v Speaker 3>landowners had more than just their property to lose with

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<v Speaker 3>the destruction of Seneca Village. Again, at the time, African

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<v Speaker 3>Americans could vote if they owned at least two hundred

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<v Speaker 3>and fifty dollars worth of property. Losing their homes meant

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<v Speaker 3>losing the right to vote, a right that would not

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<v Speaker 3>be protected by the US Constitution until the passage of

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<v Speaker 3>the Fifteenth Amendment in eighteen seventy. That was still not

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<v Speaker 3>practiced for the next century. So again, you know, we

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<v Speaker 3>talk about a lot on this show, A lot of

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of what we would consider to be problematic

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<v Speaker 3>in the black community stems from a lack of wealth,

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<v Speaker 3>lack of resources. And the reason for that lack of

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<v Speaker 3>wealth and the lack of resources is immense, from everything

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<v Speaker 3>to redlining black codes, the New Deal not being available

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<v Speaker 3>to black people all the way to nowadays our houses

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<v Speaker 3>being undervalued, us getting higher interest rate loans or the

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<v Speaker 3>same sort of credit history and so forth. And that's

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<v Speaker 3>a whole segment by itself, that's a whole show by itself,

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<v Speaker 3>be honest, and we've done that show. So if you

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<v Speaker 3>want to find out more, please go back and check

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<v Speaker 3>it out. But here's another example of the theft of

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<v Speaker 3>black wealth. And you can show out a piece that

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<v Speaker 3>I made for the Black Information Information that we're called

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<v Speaker 3>should the free Market dictate social Outcomes, where I describe

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<v Speaker 3>how black people don't participate in the free market to

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<v Speaker 3>the degree that white people do because white people have

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<v Speaker 3>more money. So that's it for us here on Civic Cipher.

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<v Speaker 3>So once again, i'm your host, Rams's job. He is

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<v Speaker 3>Ramsey's job.

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<v Speaker 1>I am once again really really discouraged, tough show. And yeah, man,

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's it's scary because we're parents now and once

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<v Speaker 1>upon a time, a brighter, better future for our children

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<v Speaker 1>seem realistic, and today it doesn't.

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<v Speaker 3>Hopefully we'll find our light again real soon and hopefully

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<v Speaker 3>So uh, I think that's about it. So until next

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