1 00:00:10,680 --> 00:00:14,360 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. It is Monday, February twenty third, and 2 00:00:14,440 --> 00:00:19,480 Speaker 1: everybody is a buzzing right now after two very prominent 3 00:00:19,840 --> 00:00:24,759 Speaker 1: OSCAR nominated black actors were on stage at the most 4 00:00:24,800 --> 00:00:30,400 Speaker 1: prestigious acting award show in London last night and the 5 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:34,600 Speaker 1: inward was hurled at them while they were on stage, 6 00:00:34,600 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: And with that, welcome to this episode of Amy and 7 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:38,839 Speaker 1: tj Robe. This gives people an opportunity to be outraged, 8 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:41,800 Speaker 1: but it's also given us an opportunity to take a 9 00:00:41,840 --> 00:00:44,599 Speaker 1: beat and maybe learn a little more. This is a 10 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:49,360 Speaker 1: fascinating story that actually has people hot, so I don't 11 00:00:49,360 --> 00:00:51,600 Speaker 1: want to downplay this. People are pissed about what happened 12 00:00:51,680 --> 00:00:53,560 Speaker 1: last night to Michael beat Jordan in particular. 13 00:00:53,760 --> 00:00:56,760 Speaker 2: Yes, when you watch the video of Michael B. 14 00:00:56,880 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 3: Jordan and Delroy Lindo, who were both nominated for Oscars, 15 00:01:00,480 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 3: as you pointed out, for their roles in Centers, the 16 00:01:03,040 --> 00:01:05,920 Speaker 3: probably one of the biggest movies of the year in 17 00:01:05,959 --> 00:01:08,680 Speaker 3: this country and around the world. But yeah, they're up 18 00:01:08,720 --> 00:01:12,880 Speaker 3: there presenting an award at the BAFTAs and you clearly 19 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 3: hear someone yell out the N word, and the looks 20 00:01:17,520 --> 00:01:20,520 Speaker 3: on their faces said so much. 21 00:01:20,640 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: And they just paused briefly and kept. 22 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:24,440 Speaker 1: Going, well, I gotta give them credit for that for 23 00:01:24,520 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: not understanding what was happening at the time. But I 24 00:01:27,440 --> 00:01:30,679 Speaker 1: guess BAFTA folks aren't familiar. This is the Oscars of 25 00:01:30,720 --> 00:01:33,319 Speaker 1: the UK, this is their Oscar, So this is a 26 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:35,680 Speaker 1: very big moment. Every big star who's nominated for every 27 00:01:35,720 --> 00:01:37,640 Speaker 1: Oscar is in that room last night. So this is 28 00:01:37,640 --> 00:01:40,040 Speaker 1: a to give you an idea. Most people, I think 29 00:01:40,160 --> 00:01:42,560 Speaker 1: Robes right, are familiar with the BAFTAs. But to put 30 00:01:42,600 --> 00:01:45,080 Speaker 1: you in the context of to see Michael B. Jordan 31 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:49,200 Speaker 1: and Delroy Lindo, two black prominent actors nominated for the 32 00:01:49,280 --> 00:01:52,920 Speaker 1: highest award awards in the world. This was the first 33 00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:54,920 Speaker 1: award of the night, Robes and they barely got the 34 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: first words out of their mouth. And yes, the inward 35 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:03,880 Speaker 1: plain as day is hurled shouted in the room. Now, Robes, 36 00:02:03,960 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: no one, we should beak clear is coming out and 37 00:02:06,400 --> 00:02:08,840 Speaker 1: saying that's not what you heard. They're saying, yep, that's 38 00:02:08,880 --> 00:02:12,160 Speaker 1: absolutely what was said. And they were explaining that someone 39 00:02:12,200 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 1: in the audience has turetts and that's why. But it's 40 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:18,440 Speaker 1: more to it than that as well, Robes, this person 41 00:02:18,520 --> 00:02:22,160 Speaker 1: with Turett's is actually very much a prominent player, if 42 00:02:22,200 --> 00:02:25,400 Speaker 1: you will. In the BAFTO Awards last night. 43 00:02:25,560 --> 00:02:29,560 Speaker 3: Yes, In fact, the actor who won Best Actor portrayed 44 00:02:29,919 --> 00:02:33,959 Speaker 3: this man in a movie called I Swear that is coming, 45 00:02:34,000 --> 00:02:36,600 Speaker 3: I believe, to the United States this spring in April. 46 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:38,640 Speaker 3: So we haven't necessarily heard of it, but it's been 47 00:02:38,680 --> 00:02:40,760 Speaker 3: a big movie in the UK. 48 00:02:41,360 --> 00:02:44,120 Speaker 1: And so for clarity there, how big it is. This 49 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:48,280 Speaker 1: guy who won Best Actor beat Timothy Schallomey and Leonardo 50 00:02:48,360 --> 00:02:51,160 Speaker 1: DiCaprio for the award last night. So to let you 51 00:02:51,200 --> 00:02:53,800 Speaker 1: know this is no the guy who won the award 52 00:02:54,680 --> 00:02:58,800 Speaker 1: for Best Actor last night was portraying the guy who 53 00:02:58,880 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 1: yelled inwards while Michael B. Jordan and del Roy Lindo 54 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:03,680 Speaker 1: were on stage. You can't make this shit up. 55 00:03:03,720 --> 00:03:04,400 Speaker 2: You can't make it up. 56 00:03:04,440 --> 00:03:06,960 Speaker 3: The movie, and the movie being called I Swear, is 57 00:03:07,040 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 3: all about this man's journey. His name is John Davidson, 58 00:03:10,840 --> 00:03:15,079 Speaker 3: his struggle with Tourette syndrome, the fact that he swears uncontrollably, 59 00:03:15,560 --> 00:03:20,120 Speaker 3: says really offensive things at really inopportune times. That's what 60 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,800 Speaker 3: this movie is about, explaining it, creating understanding for this 61 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:26,720 Speaker 3: disease that is hard for a lot of folks to 62 00:03:26,760 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 3: get their head around, so to speak, because you just 63 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:34,560 Speaker 3: see someone saying offensive things with swear words outbursts, and 64 00:03:34,600 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 3: to have it actually happen in real time on international 65 00:03:39,840 --> 00:03:44,920 Speaker 3: television to two black prominent American actors, you literally you 66 00:03:44,960 --> 00:03:45,520 Speaker 3: can't make it up. 67 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:47,920 Speaker 1: And that's why some people aren't buying it, because what 68 00:03:47,960 --> 00:03:50,200 Speaker 1: are the chances, right? I think a lot of people 69 00:03:50,960 --> 00:03:56,560 Speaker 1: just in some way you're tangentially aware of Tourette's, what 70 00:03:56,680 --> 00:03:59,400 Speaker 1: it is, what it's about, that people can't do anything 71 00:03:59,400 --> 00:04:01,960 Speaker 1: about it. We under it's part of pop culture, and 72 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: frankly it's made fun of sometimes in movies and skits 73 00:04:04,680 --> 00:04:06,960 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But we have a general idea. The part 74 00:04:07,000 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: that people are struggling with Robes is the timing. How 75 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:13,120 Speaker 1: much of a coincidence can it be that someone with 76 00:04:13,240 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 1: trets and ticks is what they're called, shout out all 77 00:04:16,320 --> 00:04:18,280 Speaker 1: kinds of things, and you just happen to shout out 78 00:04:18,279 --> 00:04:20,320 Speaker 1: the N word at this moment, at this time when 79 00:04:20,320 --> 00:04:22,280 Speaker 1: these two guys happen to be up there. A lot 80 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,200 Speaker 1: of people are scratching their heads and saying they aren't 81 00:04:24,200 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: buying it, and that's part of the debate that's erupted online. 82 00:04:27,080 --> 00:04:30,320 Speaker 3: Yeah, you have a Jamie Fox weighed in saying he 83 00:04:30,480 --> 00:04:34,400 Speaker 3: meant that shit basically, and that's the sentiment you're hearing 84 00:04:34,400 --> 00:04:37,440 Speaker 3: from a lot of folks on X saying I'm not 85 00:04:37,600 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 3: buying this bs. 86 00:04:39,560 --> 00:04:41,080 Speaker 2: He said it and he meant. 87 00:04:40,920 --> 00:04:45,200 Speaker 1: It, and that is I think if you just see 88 00:04:45,200 --> 00:04:48,240 Speaker 1: the clip, you have a hard time understanding if you 89 00:04:48,279 --> 00:04:51,760 Speaker 1: don't understand Touret's. Now. I don't know this man, don't 90 00:04:51,800 --> 00:04:53,480 Speaker 1: know him at all, don't know what's in his heart, 91 00:04:53,520 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 1: but I know what medical professionals are telling us. And 92 00:04:55,520 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: that's what we want to get into in a moment 93 00:04:57,640 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 1: here because robes a lot of people are talking about 94 00:05:00,160 --> 00:05:02,960 Speaker 1: rats and saying, you all are just popping off right now. 95 00:05:03,080 --> 00:05:05,880 Speaker 1: Clearly don't understand turetts. Don't understand what it's about. The 96 00:05:05,960 --> 00:05:09,200 Speaker 1: response to that is, sure, we understand ticks, but that's 97 00:05:09,240 --> 00:05:11,560 Speaker 1: got to be in his heart, in his head, in 98 00:05:11,640 --> 00:05:15,120 Speaker 1: his vocabulary for it to just for that word, you 99 00:05:15,160 --> 00:05:17,839 Speaker 1: could have yelled out all kinds of stuff that word. 100 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,719 Speaker 1: Those two. That is what people are struggling with. That 101 00:05:20,800 --> 00:05:25,920 Speaker 1: is what common sense kind of tells you because medically 102 00:05:26,640 --> 00:05:28,560 Speaker 1: we don't understand it, and quite Frankly, a lot of 103 00:05:28,560 --> 00:05:32,400 Speaker 1: the medical community doesn't understand Turett. So that is the 104 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 1: debate that's going on with the incident in itself. Robes, 105 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:37,359 Speaker 1: you've seen the video as well, right. 106 00:05:37,520 --> 00:05:40,680 Speaker 2: It's shocking, you know to hear and he yelled loudly. 107 00:05:40,760 --> 00:05:44,600 Speaker 3: This is a huge auditorium and obviously you have everyone 108 00:05:44,600 --> 00:05:46,800 Speaker 3: else on mike so to be able to hear him. 109 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:49,400 Speaker 2: I mean, he screamed it. It wasn't like he said it 110 00:05:49,480 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 2: under his breath. 111 00:05:50,520 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: I mean, look again, don't fully understand this disease at all, 112 00:05:54,400 --> 00:05:58,159 Speaker 3: know about it just from reading about it, Yes, seeing 113 00:05:58,200 --> 00:06:01,640 Speaker 3: it portrayed in movies and certainly skits and you oftentimes 114 00:06:01,680 --> 00:06:03,880 Speaker 3: do hear it or see it in a comical way, 115 00:06:03,920 --> 00:06:06,640 Speaker 3: which is not fair because these folks are actually suffering 116 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,680 Speaker 3: from what they claim as an incontrollable tick, and doctors 117 00:06:09,720 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: have supported that. 118 00:06:10,720 --> 00:06:13,640 Speaker 2: However, the way it was yelled and shouted to. 119 00:06:13,600 --> 00:06:17,680 Speaker 3: Be heard by all, that's I question how loudly he 120 00:06:17,760 --> 00:06:19,320 Speaker 3: said it, you know, could he have just said it 121 00:06:19,400 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 3: under his breath? 122 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,640 Speaker 2: Could he have just said it so that the person 123 00:06:21,640 --> 00:06:24,120 Speaker 2: next to him heard it. No, he yelled it from 124 00:06:24,160 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: the rooftop. 125 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: So that's what they heard, and that's what they tell you. 126 00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,279 Speaker 1: That's what the ticks are. And this is what a 127 00:06:29,320 --> 00:06:32,120 Speaker 1: condition is. Is never said under your breath or in 128 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 1: the normal it's shouted out oftentimes. So put you in 129 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 1: the context of this video, which if you haven't seen already, 130 00:06:37,800 --> 00:06:40,200 Speaker 1: you will see here in just a second. I'm sure 131 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:42,080 Speaker 1: you'll be looking it up if you haven't already. But 132 00:06:42,320 --> 00:06:45,000 Speaker 1: they're up. It's quiet. It's a it's an award show. 133 00:06:45,240 --> 00:06:47,680 Speaker 1: You've seen these award shows. Everybody in the audience is sitting, 134 00:06:47,800 --> 00:06:51,039 Speaker 1: hundreds of people quietly, and then one person two people 135 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,039 Speaker 1: on stage are commanding that moment. It is quiet. We 136 00:06:54,080 --> 00:06:56,279 Speaker 1: are listening to Michael B. Jordan and Delroy Lindo. We 137 00:06:56,320 --> 00:06:59,840 Speaker 1: give them that respect. The room was quiet, and the 138 00:07:00,000 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: the only thing you hear outside of their voices is 139 00:07:02,960 --> 00:07:06,719 Speaker 1: the N word shouted at the top of someone's lungs. 140 00:07:06,839 --> 00:07:09,920 Speaker 1: I give them credit, Robes absolutely for continuing. I'm not 141 00:07:09,960 --> 00:07:11,800 Speaker 1: sure how I would have reacted in that moment, because 142 00:07:11,840 --> 00:07:13,640 Speaker 1: I don't know if they put together that oh, that's 143 00:07:13,640 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: probably the Turette's guy back there. 144 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:18,160 Speaker 3: I doubt they were able to think that in that moment, 145 00:07:18,840 --> 00:07:22,640 Speaker 3: that is something that yes, when you watch them and 146 00:07:22,640 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 3: how they handled it, you give them full credit. I've 147 00:07:24,440 --> 00:07:26,760 Speaker 3: seen some freeze frames of the look on their face 148 00:07:26,760 --> 00:07:29,800 Speaker 3: in that moment, and it was palpable. And I don't 149 00:07:29,800 --> 00:07:31,400 Speaker 3: think any of us can imagine being up there and 150 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: being hurled the worst possible word. You can imagine one 151 00:07:35,120 --> 00:07:38,160 Speaker 3: that's filled with history and hatred hurled at you on 152 00:07:38,240 --> 00:07:42,160 Speaker 3: an international stage, and how you would react. They handled 153 00:07:42,160 --> 00:07:45,800 Speaker 3: themselves professional, giving credit and it was remarkable because I 154 00:07:45,840 --> 00:07:47,840 Speaker 3: think a lot of other people would have reacted differently. 155 00:07:47,920 --> 00:07:52,560 Speaker 1: Yes, including Jamie Fox probably anyway, but they did. The BBC, 156 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: which put on the event, the host Alan Cumming both 157 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,040 Speaker 1: addressed it. That will tell you the BBC apology. First, 158 00:07:59,040 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: they said, quote, some viewers may have heard strong and 159 00:08:01,840 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 1: offensive language during the baft TO Film Awards twenty twenty six. 160 00:08:04,640 --> 00:08:08,040 Speaker 1: This arose from involuntary verbal tics associated with Touret syndrome 161 00:08:08,120 --> 00:08:11,480 Speaker 1: and was not intentional. We apologize for any offense caused 162 00:08:11,520 --> 00:08:13,680 Speaker 1: by the language heard. And then robes Alan Cumming I 163 00:08:13,680 --> 00:08:16,080 Speaker 1: think at least on two maybe a third occasion during 164 00:08:16,120 --> 00:08:18,720 Speaker 1: the show actually comment. I mean he kind of went 165 00:08:18,720 --> 00:08:20,840 Speaker 1: away from his prepared remarks, had to stop things, and 166 00:08:21,720 --> 00:08:23,240 Speaker 1: he made a couple of comments. 167 00:08:23,360 --> 00:08:25,400 Speaker 3: Yes, he said, you may have noticed some strong language 168 00:08:25,440 --> 00:08:28,400 Speaker 3: in the background. This can be part of how Turett 169 00:08:28,480 --> 00:08:31,240 Speaker 3: syndrome shows up for some people as the film explores 170 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:34,520 Speaker 3: that experience. Thanks for your understanding and helping create a 171 00:08:34,600 --> 00:08:36,520 Speaker 3: respectful space for everyone. 172 00:08:36,559 --> 00:08:38,200 Speaker 2: And then later and. 173 00:08:38,040 --> 00:08:40,480 Speaker 3: This is where some people I think took offense to 174 00:08:40,520 --> 00:08:41,120 Speaker 3: his statement. 175 00:08:41,160 --> 00:08:42,560 Speaker 2: At least that's what I read online. 176 00:08:42,559 --> 00:08:44,880 Speaker 3: Tourett syndrome is a disability, and the ticks you've heard 177 00:08:44,880 --> 00:08:47,959 Speaker 3: tonight are involuntary, which means the person who has Tourett 178 00:08:48,000 --> 00:08:51,400 Speaker 3: syndrome has no control over their language. We apologize if 179 00:08:51,440 --> 00:08:54,840 Speaker 3: you are offended tonight. If you are offended tonight, bothered 180 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:58,120 Speaker 3: a lot of people online I saw, yeah, we were offended. 181 00:08:58,160 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: Don't question whether or not we might be certainly were. 182 00:09:02,840 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 3: Yeah. 183 00:09:03,200 --> 00:09:05,120 Speaker 1: I mean they're doing the best they can. And where's 184 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:07,079 Speaker 1: the line about a safe space? Where is that one 185 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,520 Speaker 1: was starting to create a safe environment. I saw that 186 00:09:09,559 --> 00:09:12,640 Speaker 1: one as well, the idea of creating a safe environment 187 00:09:12,720 --> 00:09:16,160 Speaker 1: for everyone, and I think that was directed towards the 188 00:09:16,200 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 1: guy with threats, which is awful. And some people took issue, Well, 189 00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:21,960 Speaker 1: it's not a safe environment for the black folks in 190 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:25,160 Speaker 1: the room that so much of what we heard had 191 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:29,439 Speaker 1: to do with him and an understanding of what he 192 00:09:29,520 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: was going through, but not an understanding of still like, 193 00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,280 Speaker 1: just deal with it. You just got call the inward 194 00:09:35,679 --> 00:09:38,960 Speaker 1: on a big international stage. Hope you're okay. 195 00:09:39,080 --> 00:09:41,720 Speaker 3: It's a medical condition. He can't help it. I hope 196 00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,040 Speaker 3: it really wasn't. It was just hope if you're offended, 197 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,360 Speaker 3: you can create a safe space for him to continue 198 00:09:48,360 --> 00:09:50,320 Speaker 3: to hurl insults because he can't help them. 199 00:09:50,600 --> 00:09:52,680 Speaker 1: We get where that comes from what they're trying to say. 200 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,840 Speaker 1: It just as once again to a lot of black 201 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:58,520 Speaker 1: folks were seen once again as oh, well deal with it, 202 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,559 Speaker 1: we apologize, you should be okay, he has to rest. 203 00:10:01,720 --> 00:10:04,840 Speaker 1: How many times you have to hear some explanation for 204 00:10:05,000 --> 00:10:07,400 Speaker 1: why we shouldn't be offended by things that offend us? 205 00:10:07,520 --> 00:10:10,760 Speaker 1: Pisses black folks off as I'm sitting here talking about 206 00:10:10,760 --> 00:10:12,680 Speaker 1: it and didn't plan on it, but you get pissed 207 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 1: about that. And that's where Hannah I say I have 208 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,679 Speaker 1: it here at the bottom. She is a production designer 209 00:10:20,240 --> 00:10:24,080 Speaker 1: for Sinners. She actually said. Another outlets reported there were 210 00:10:24,080 --> 00:10:29,360 Speaker 1: several other incidents of him having tics and shouting things 211 00:10:29,360 --> 00:10:32,800 Speaker 1: out a couple of times, had to do during a 212 00:10:32,840 --> 00:10:35,120 Speaker 1: speech from the BAFTA chair, and another time when there 213 00:10:35,120 --> 00:10:38,000 Speaker 1: was a presentation of a family film, he yelled out 214 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:40,960 Speaker 1: some offensive stuff profanity. This time it wasn't racial slurs, 215 00:10:41,000 --> 00:10:42,960 Speaker 1: but this happened throughout the evening. 216 00:10:43,080 --> 00:10:45,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, he said shut the fuck up during the speech 217 00:10:46,000 --> 00:10:48,200 Speaker 3: from the BAFTA chair, and then he said fu. But 218 00:10:48,240 --> 00:10:51,760 Speaker 3: he said the F word during the children and family 219 00:10:51,880 --> 00:10:55,599 Speaker 3: film presentation. I'm trying not to laugh because it's so outrageous. 220 00:10:56,040 --> 00:10:57,600 Speaker 3: It's hard to get your head around. And then you 221 00:10:57,640 --> 00:11:00,120 Speaker 3: have to question whether or not it was appropriate to 222 00:11:00,120 --> 00:11:01,080 Speaker 3: even have him in there. 223 00:11:01,240 --> 00:11:02,520 Speaker 2: Look, I know they put. 224 00:11:02,280 --> 00:11:04,120 Speaker 1: Out he left at some point, if they said on 225 00:11:04,160 --> 00:11:05,640 Speaker 1: his own, he wasn't asked to leave, But yes, to 226 00:11:05,679 --> 00:11:06,600 Speaker 1: that point, yes. 227 00:11:06,440 --> 00:11:08,320 Speaker 3: I mean, and especially if he knew what he was 228 00:11:08,360 --> 00:11:10,440 Speaker 3: capable of, with the fact that this entire film was 229 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,840 Speaker 3: made up about him. And look, I watched the interview 230 00:11:12,840 --> 00:11:16,040 Speaker 3: he gave on the Red Carpet beforehand. Interestingly enough, he 231 00:11:16,080 --> 00:11:19,960 Speaker 3: didn't have any moments or lapses at least that I 232 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,800 Speaker 3: saw during that interview. But if you know you're capable 233 00:11:22,840 --> 00:11:27,160 Speaker 3: of that, why would you even risk disrupting this prestigious 234 00:11:28,200 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 3: event that actually is set to honor people. And if 235 00:11:31,520 --> 00:11:34,400 Speaker 3: you know that, you're going to be disruptive and potentially 236 00:11:34,440 --> 00:11:37,200 Speaker 3: dishonor folks up there, which is what it sounds like 237 00:11:37,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 3: he has done for most of his life based on 238 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:40,199 Speaker 3: his condition. 239 00:11:40,600 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: I'm just questioning the decision to even have him in 240 00:11:42,960 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: the room. 241 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 1: Well, the argument there is that he should be able 242 00:11:45,559 --> 00:11:49,079 Speaker 1: to write. We should understand that he has this condition 243 00:11:49,120 --> 00:11:51,040 Speaker 1: he can do nothing about. He shouldn't have to stay 244 00:11:51,040 --> 00:11:52,640 Speaker 1: at home. He should be able to go out and 245 00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:54,720 Speaker 1: enjoy this moment, go out and enjoy an event, go 246 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,040 Speaker 1: out and enjoy a night. That is completely yes, and 247 00:11:58,320 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 1: argument people are making, and that I see. The other 248 00:12:01,080 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 1: argument still in that camp is that yes, you all 249 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:07,360 Speaker 1: got to see, you got an education in Turet's last night, 250 00:12:07,440 --> 00:12:10,640 Speaker 1: and how sometimes not just don't be making fun of it. 251 00:12:10,800 --> 00:12:13,840 Speaker 1: He is embarrassed, This is awful and he had no 252 00:12:13,920 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: control over it. That is the argument. If you want 253 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,120 Speaker 1: to say, when the last time we had a national 254 00:12:18,120 --> 00:12:23,760 Speaker 1: conversation about Turette's right, so they're saying, like, job well done. 255 00:12:24,280 --> 00:12:29,240 Speaker 1: This was purposeful and excuse me, not purposeful. It was 256 00:12:29,400 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 1: meaningful and it serves a purpose is what I'm in 257 00:12:32,200 --> 00:12:36,160 Speaker 1: the other side of that is yours robes? Can he 258 00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:39,520 Speaker 1: not or should he at all be asked to be 259 00:12:39,600 --> 00:12:43,320 Speaker 1: respectful of a particular environment and of people on a 260 00:12:43,440 --> 00:12:50,120 Speaker 1: night when his presence could be not just disruptive but offensive. Robes, 261 00:12:50,160 --> 00:12:53,600 Speaker 1: And it's taken the spotlight completely off of what your 262 00:12:53,679 --> 00:12:56,520 Speaker 1: lifetime achievement was last night for a lot of these actors. 263 00:12:56,600 --> 00:12:58,480 Speaker 1: How do you balance that that as a big part 264 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:58,960 Speaker 1: of the debate. 265 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,800 Speaker 3: Look, I get it, and I do think it's an 266 00:13:00,840 --> 00:13:03,800 Speaker 3: important It's important for all of us to try and 267 00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:06,800 Speaker 3: understand what other people are going through that we don't know, 268 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: that we couldn't possibly live with or through. So yes, 269 00:13:10,920 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 3: I appreciate the movie being made, appreciate an education into 270 00:13:16,160 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: what folks who have turets go through and deal with. 271 00:13:18,960 --> 00:13:23,200 Speaker 3: But I do not believe that the comfort of one 272 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:29,520 Speaker 3: person should outweigh the peace and comfort of a larger group. 273 00:13:29,600 --> 00:13:34,680 Speaker 3: I don't think that one person's desire should outweigh or 274 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,079 Speaker 3: perhaps the opportunity and I hate to even use that 275 00:13:37,120 --> 00:13:39,719 Speaker 3: word for an education to see in real time what 276 00:13:39,760 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 3: turets can mean and do. I don't think it's worth 277 00:13:42,840 --> 00:13:46,120 Speaker 3: the harm and hurt, it caused Michael B. Jordan and 278 00:13:46,200 --> 00:13:49,400 Speaker 3: so many others who were in that room. And certainly, look, 279 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:51,760 Speaker 3: it's a good conversation to have, but I don't think 280 00:13:51,840 --> 00:13:54,560 Speaker 3: that the cost outweighs the good. 281 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 1: We didn't know that was going to happen. He didn't 282 00:13:56,960 --> 00:13:59,680 Speaker 1: know and how it was going to do to happen. 283 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:02,400 Speaker 1: So that is the argument. If you take if you 284 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,359 Speaker 1: take his disability, take someone who has to use a wheelchair, 285 00:14:05,720 --> 00:14:09,480 Speaker 1: Take someone who can't communicate as well, take somebody with autism, 286 00:14:09,559 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: take somebody. Do you take all these things that we 287 00:14:11,720 --> 00:14:15,040 Speaker 1: call disabilities and say we're gonna put you to the 288 00:14:15,160 --> 00:14:18,040 Speaker 1: side because we can't deal with you as a society. 289 00:14:18,320 --> 00:14:20,920 Speaker 1: That is a part of this argument. What do you do? 290 00:14:21,000 --> 00:14:23,680 Speaker 1: I should I shouldn't say argument. This should be a conversation. 291 00:14:24,440 --> 00:14:27,520 Speaker 1: This is great, I think in the possibility of having 292 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:33,720 Speaker 1: a conversation and furthering and educating and having grace. But Robes, 293 00:14:33,920 --> 00:14:36,720 Speaker 1: that's not the conversation we're having it right now. But online, 294 00:14:36,720 --> 00:14:39,320 Speaker 1: it's all about racism. It's all about this had to 295 00:14:39,320 --> 00:14:41,440 Speaker 1: be in his heart, this had to be in his head, 296 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,280 Speaker 1: this had to be in his vocabulary. I was mentioning 297 00:14:43,360 --> 00:14:45,560 Speaker 1: Hannah Beecher here at the bottom if you see. But 298 00:14:45,680 --> 00:14:47,800 Speaker 1: she is a lady who was a part of the 299 00:14:48,160 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 1: of Sinners custom design, a costume design or production design, 300 00:14:52,040 --> 00:14:52,600 Speaker 1: costume design. 301 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:54,000 Speaker 2: I believe she was costume design. 302 00:14:54,280 --> 00:14:57,280 Speaker 1: But she came out she said she heard it, yes, 303 00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 1: in there, but it happened a couple other times. And 304 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:04,800 Speaker 1: she put this statement on X saying that she had 305 00:15:04,840 --> 00:15:07,280 Speaker 1: this guy say the N word directly to her. 306 00:15:07,880 --> 00:15:11,240 Speaker 3: Whooh, yes, she said, the situation is almost impossible, but 307 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 3: it happened three times that night, and one of the 308 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:17,000 Speaker 3: three times was directed at myself on the way to 309 00:15:17,040 --> 00:15:20,240 Speaker 3: dinner after the show, and a third time at a 310 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,280 Speaker 3: black woman. I understand and deeply know why this is 311 00:15:23,440 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 3: an impossible situation. I know we must handle this with 312 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,400 Speaker 3: grace and continue to push through. But what made the 313 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:35,200 Speaker 3: situation worse was the throwaway apology of if you were offended. 314 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:37,320 Speaker 1: That sucks, it does and just and that comes from 315 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:40,200 Speaker 1: history with us a lot of times if you were offended. 316 00:15:40,280 --> 00:15:43,360 Speaker 1: Of course we were. And it's just I understand, it's just. 317 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:46,120 Speaker 3: The words matter. Just you say it all the time, yes, 318 00:15:46,240 --> 00:15:47,240 Speaker 3: how you say something. 319 00:15:47,360 --> 00:15:51,840 Speaker 1: First degree murder and manslaughter are two different, right, punishments. 320 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:55,320 Speaker 1: But the result is the same. Somebody's dead. I'm saying, 321 00:15:55,360 --> 00:15:58,360 Speaker 1: the result here is the same. We were highly offended. 322 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,080 Speaker 1: What I always say, sometimes an argument is rope. It's 323 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: not even the crime, it's the cover up or the 324 00:16:03,680 --> 00:16:07,480 Speaker 1: follow up after like this, him yelling it out and understanding. 325 00:16:07,520 --> 00:16:10,400 Speaker 1: Yet Turette's wasn't the part to get me moult heated 326 00:16:10,760 --> 00:16:15,120 Speaker 1: to see this we have to do. It's like no consideration, 327 00:16:15,320 --> 00:16:18,920 Speaker 1: even to Oscar nominees of hope you won't offend it. 328 00:16:19,560 --> 00:16:21,480 Speaker 3: Yes, and to your point, she said at the end 329 00:16:21,520 --> 00:16:24,800 Speaker 3: of the show, of course we were offending, but our frequency, 330 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,320 Speaker 3: our spiritual vibration is tuned to a higher level than 331 00:16:27,360 --> 00:16:30,160 Speaker 3: what happened, and I appreciate that. But again, I'm just 332 00:16:30,240 --> 00:16:32,880 Speaker 3: making the argument. It's not that I think people who 333 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:35,280 Speaker 3: are different than us should be locked away in a 334 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:37,600 Speaker 3: closet or never to be seen again. But there are 335 00:16:37,680 --> 00:16:40,760 Speaker 3: certain circumstances in which you know it's going to be 336 00:16:40,800 --> 00:16:44,560 Speaker 3: disruptive and potentially offensive, and therefore the needs of one 337 00:16:44,600 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 3: can't outweigh the needs of all. And I just think 338 00:16:47,440 --> 00:16:50,120 Speaker 3: there could have been another option. Obviously, he's had a 339 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:52,240 Speaker 3: history of this, this isn't some one off there was 340 00:16:52,280 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 3: a there's a movie made a man one ABAFTA Award 341 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:59,120 Speaker 3: portraying him. Clearly, this is an exceptional, extreme situation. So 342 00:16:59,400 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 3: it just seems as though it was I don't want 343 00:17:02,560 --> 00:17:04,679 Speaker 3: to say sloppy, but just how could they not have 344 00:17:04,720 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 3: seen this coming or something like this happening? Why not 345 00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:09,960 Speaker 3: give him maybe another room with the video feed or 346 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:12,240 Speaker 3: give him some sort of accommodation where he gets to 347 00:17:12,240 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 3: participate but doesn't distract or disrupt or offend people in 348 00:17:16,320 --> 00:17:16,880 Speaker 3: the process. 349 00:17:17,080 --> 00:17:19,440 Speaker 1: Well, folks, we heard about and we hear about turettes. 350 00:17:19,480 --> 00:17:21,960 Speaker 1: You have a general idea, But folks, the most important 351 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,879 Speaker 1: thing you're going to hear in this episode of our 352 00:17:23,920 --> 00:17:27,040 Speaker 1: podcast is coming up next from the Turet Association of 353 00:17:27,080 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 1: America and it's about something called corporal lalia. You may 354 00:17:30,720 --> 00:17:32,560 Speaker 1: have never heard of it, but you need to hear 355 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,919 Speaker 1: it right now and understanding, and you might think a 356 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:49,760 Speaker 1: little differently about this story. Sty hear all right, folks, 357 00:17:49,760 --> 00:17:52,800 Speaker 1: Well continue here on Amy and TJ. This story is 358 00:17:52,840 --> 00:17:55,639 Speaker 1: still as we are recording this morning, we're still number one, 359 00:17:55,720 --> 00:18:00,280 Speaker 1: number two trending on Twitter. Tourette's has been trained. I 360 00:18:00,280 --> 00:18:02,520 Speaker 1: guess ropes. People are trying to get a better understanding 361 00:18:02,520 --> 00:18:05,600 Speaker 1: of it. Our general idea is of what ticks, people 362 00:18:05,640 --> 00:18:10,280 Speaker 1: have uncontrollable verbal outbursts that can sometimes be offensive. That is, 363 00:18:10,760 --> 00:18:12,560 Speaker 1: if you would have asked me yesterday, that would have 364 00:18:12,560 --> 00:18:15,120 Speaker 1: been my answer. And I think that's generally what we understand. 365 00:18:15,200 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 3: Yes, the way I've understood it is that folks who 366 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:22,479 Speaker 3: suffer from turets do yell out offensive words, curse words, 367 00:18:22,480 --> 00:18:26,360 Speaker 3: things that are inappropriate, things that you would never want 368 00:18:26,400 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 3: to say out loud. But suddenly, according to the Threat's 369 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,840 Speaker 3: Association of America, you have no control over. This isn't voluntary, 370 00:18:34,080 --> 00:18:36,560 Speaker 3: This isn't something you can stop or you can manage. 371 00:18:36,960 --> 00:18:40,879 Speaker 3: This happens without you being able to stop it. 372 00:18:41,000 --> 00:18:44,000 Speaker 1: Have you ever known anybody with tourettes? No, I don't think. 373 00:18:44,080 --> 00:18:46,080 Speaker 1: I'm trying to think of even in a story or 374 00:18:46,119 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: somewhere spent significant time around someone and I can't recall now. 375 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,600 Speaker 1: But we were looking this and looking this up, and 376 00:18:54,080 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: the Turete Association of America, it's the biggest trade or 377 00:18:57,280 --> 00:19:00,280 Speaker 1: the advocacy group for turets in this country, and they 378 00:19:00,320 --> 00:19:04,399 Speaker 1: have just a whole wealth of information online about it 379 00:19:05,000 --> 00:19:08,040 Speaker 1: and What I didn't realize Robes is that they, yes, 380 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 1: Tourett's is one thing, but then they have a category 381 00:19:12,200 --> 00:19:15,639 Speaker 1: within it in which they explain or explains what the 382 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:19,800 Speaker 1: symptoms are. And corporal lalia is the name. Corporal lalia 383 00:19:19,920 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: is the specific thing that they point to that said, 384 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:26,439 Speaker 1: this is the thing that causes the outbursts, and Robes 385 00:19:26,560 --> 00:19:28,439 Speaker 1: this and we are going to read it word for 386 00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 1: word from Turet Association of America explain explaining corporal lalia 387 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:38,800 Speaker 1: and put now the incident at BAFTA in context. Once 388 00:19:38,840 --> 00:19:39,840 Speaker 1: you hear this. 389 00:19:39,880 --> 00:19:43,240 Speaker 3: Okay, yes, so it says the most commonly accepted explanation 390 00:19:43,320 --> 00:19:48,000 Speaker 3: of what causes corporal lalia involves the same faulty wiring 391 00:19:48,480 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 3: of the inhibitory mechanism of the brain that causes involuntary 392 00:19:51,920 --> 00:19:56,440 Speaker 3: movements that typically or that typify Tourette syndrome. It seems 393 00:19:56,440 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 3: that the innate ability we all have to suppress unwanted 394 00:20:00,240 --> 00:20:04,439 Speaker 3: movements and unconscious thoughts is somehow impaired in people with 395 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:08,119 Speaker 3: Tourett syndrome. Just as people with TS must satisfy the 396 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:13,199 Speaker 3: overwhelming urge to twitch, so they must let out sounds 397 00:20:13,200 --> 00:20:16,280 Speaker 3: and words that build up and must be expressed before 398 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:20,600 Speaker 3: momentary relief can be felt. Depending on the symptoms severity, 399 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:25,680 Speaker 3: the pressure to express those symptoms will reoccur because the irresistible, 400 00:20:25,960 --> 00:20:32,920 Speaker 3: unbearable urge to twitch, curse, or shout cannot be inhibited indefinitely. 401 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:35,919 Speaker 3: The particular manifestation of such language may have to do 402 00:20:35,960 --> 00:20:40,119 Speaker 3: with the individual's stronger emotional content in certain parts of 403 00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:43,719 Speaker 3: the brain. Such symptoms have been seen in individual's following 404 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:46,639 Speaker 3: stroke or other brain injury to the deep frontel regions 405 00:20:46,680 --> 00:20:50,920 Speaker 3: of the brain. As with all ticks, increased symptoms may 406 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:56,600 Speaker 3: occur with heightened emotional stress, pleasant excitement, or even fatigue. 407 00:20:56,680 --> 00:20:59,840 Speaker 3: The emotional state does not cause the tick symptoms, but 408 00:21:00,160 --> 00:21:03,639 Speaker 3: rather may increase them. Of note, the words that may 409 00:21:03,680 --> 00:21:08,119 Speaker 3: be expressed in corporal lalia are often distressing to an 410 00:21:08,160 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 3: individual and not indicative of their personal convictions, such as 411 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:18,439 Speaker 3: in the context of racial slurs. In many individuals, copra 412 00:21:18,520 --> 00:21:21,160 Speaker 3: lalia is not able to be controlled. 413 00:21:21,640 --> 00:21:23,720 Speaker 1: I'll listen to them, and that's been there and been posted. 414 00:21:23,760 --> 00:21:26,159 Speaker 1: This wasn't in response to what happened. This stuff is 415 00:21:26,200 --> 00:21:29,119 Speaker 1: out there and this is understood robes They say. It 416 00:21:29,200 --> 00:21:32,520 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with what may be in his head, 417 00:21:32,560 --> 00:21:36,320 Speaker 1: his vocabulary, or his heart, and in fact, even the 418 00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:40,520 Speaker 1: pleasant environment or enjoying himself might have caused. Look, that's 419 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:44,000 Speaker 1: the best I got, as pissed as I am. Excuse 420 00:21:44,000 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: mesh and say pissed, as frustrating or offended as I am, 421 00:21:48,119 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 1: even offended for Michael B. Jordan. I can hear this 422 00:21:51,960 --> 00:21:53,679 Speaker 1: and listen to this and put in some kinds of 423 00:21:53,720 --> 00:21:57,920 Speaker 1: context and give some element of grace robes and that's 424 00:21:57,960 --> 00:21:58,720 Speaker 1: all we can hopeful. 425 00:21:58,840 --> 00:22:04,840 Speaker 3: And that is only the yours to give. That's your grace, 426 00:22:04,880 --> 00:22:08,439 Speaker 3: to give, your community's grace to give. It's for no 427 00:22:08,480 --> 00:22:11,520 Speaker 3: one else, because we can't possibly imagine just the depth 428 00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: of pain that that word causes. 429 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:14,679 Speaker 2: And it is what it is. 430 00:22:14,680 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 3: But it's so interesting that they actually have and you 431 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,560 Speaker 3: point out, not in response to what happened, but already 432 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 3: posted online that they specified such as in the context 433 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: of racial slurs. 434 00:22:25,600 --> 00:22:26,560 Speaker 2: I found that interesting. 435 00:22:26,920 --> 00:22:30,440 Speaker 1: Not indicative of their personal convictions, but to hear it explain, 436 00:22:30,520 --> 00:22:32,239 Speaker 1: and there's a great dammit. I want to give this 437 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,240 Speaker 1: young lady credit. Young lady that has Tourette's put a 438 00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,640 Speaker 1: video online explaining it. She's sixteen years old. I think 439 00:22:38,960 --> 00:22:41,720 Speaker 1: and throughout she's doing her tics and she's she's a 440 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,639 Speaker 1: black girl explaining it, and damn it, I wish I 441 00:22:44,640 --> 00:22:46,200 Speaker 1: could give her credit in her name right now, which 442 00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: she is just fantastic. And that's the one everybody should 443 00:22:48,560 --> 00:22:51,320 Speaker 1: go read, excuse go listen to, because she said, it's 444 00:22:51,320 --> 00:22:54,520 Speaker 1: just a misunderstanding of what happens to us and what 445 00:22:54,640 --> 00:22:57,400 Speaker 1: happens to folks with Turet's. We do not. She said, 446 00:22:57,400 --> 00:22:59,440 Speaker 1: I yelled stuff out all the time that I ain't 447 00:22:59,480 --> 00:23:02,919 Speaker 1: ever used in my vocabulary, and that is not a 448 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:05,600 Speaker 1: part of my vocabulary. So, folks, we just wanted to 449 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:07,720 Speaker 1: hop on this is what everybody's talking about this morning. 450 00:23:07,760 --> 00:23:09,440 Speaker 1: You will be talking about it, but I hope as 451 00:23:09,480 --> 00:23:12,840 Speaker 1: you talk about it and have a conversation about it today, 452 00:23:12,960 --> 00:23:14,720 Speaker 1: you do it with a little more grace and maybe 453 00:23:14,760 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: a little more context and understanding of Tourette's And with that, 454 00:23:18,000 --> 00:23:20,639 Speaker 1: we always appreciate you spending some time with us. TJ. 455 00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:22,520 Speaker 1: Holmes On behalf of my dear Amy ROBOC will talk 456 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:23,000 Speaker 1: to y'all soon.