WEBVTT - 130: The Twelve Foot Tall Big Skeleton From Home Depot & Sad13 0:00:00.160 --> 0:00:04.480 It's twelve eleven am in torn Neo, Texas and you're 0:00:04.519 --> 0:00:16.520 listening to Night Call. Hello and welcome Tonight Call, a 0:00:16.640 --> 0:00:19.800 call in show for artist Tope in Reality. My name 0:00:19.880 --> 0:00:22.599 is Emily Oshda. I'm in Los Angeles and with me 0:00:22.640 --> 0:00:26.319 on the other line are Molly Lambert and Test Lynch. 0:00:26.560 --> 0:00:28.400 And later on in the show, we're going to be 0:00:28.480 --> 0:00:31.440 joined by our special guest, Sadie Dupu a k a. 0:00:31.560 --> 0:00:34.080 Sad thirteen. She's here to talk about her new album, 0:00:34.120 --> 0:00:37.960 Haunted Painting, also just ghosts in general, Haunted Studios, a 0:00:38.000 --> 0:00:40.320 bunch of fun stuff, so stay tuned for that. But 0:00:41.080 --> 0:00:44.920 right now, we're bringing back our new segment, Pyramid Pals. 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:48.159 We introduced it last week and it's definitely going to 0:00:48.240 --> 0:00:50.199 be with us every single week from now on. You 0:00:50.280 --> 0:00:52.720 can depend on a Pyramid Palace segment every week, just 0:00:52.760 --> 0:00:55.240 like Cradam Corner. But we got a bunch of calls 0:00:55.240 --> 0:00:57.040 after we talked about the Ames Monument and the Luxe 0:00:57.040 --> 0:01:01.400 Tour last week, So let's take a Pyramid Call. Let's 0:01:01.400 --> 0:01:05.640 take that Pyramid Call. High Night Call. I'm the first 0:01:05.640 --> 0:01:10.720 time caller from Minneapolis. I'm an architectural historian, and what's 0:01:10.760 --> 0:01:15.080 heard you talking about the Aims Pyramid designed by Henry 0:01:15.160 --> 0:01:18.800 Hobson Richardson. UM, just want to call in a little 0:01:18.800 --> 0:01:22.680 bit more information about Richardson because he's very important and 0:01:22.840 --> 0:01:26.720 very weird. He has a style, an architectural style named 0:01:26.760 --> 0:01:31.880 after him, which is called richardson Ian Romanesque UM. It's 0:01:31.920 --> 0:01:35.000 growing off of the Romanesque style UM, but with his 0:01:35.040 --> 0:01:38.919 own personal twists on it. And it's very medieval looking. 0:01:39.040 --> 0:01:44.840 It's very heavy. It's known for having rusticated stone work UM, 0:01:44.920 --> 0:01:47.520 which is like what you see at the Aims Monument. 0:01:48.320 --> 0:01:52.480 And Richardson is considered part of the Holy Trinity of 0:01:52.800 --> 0:01:56.880 American architecture. If you're into that kind of deifying architects 0:01:56.920 --> 0:02:00.000 as geniuses, he's right up there with movie cull of them, 0:02:00.040 --> 0:02:03.720 and frankly right both of him were influenced by his work. 0:02:04.240 --> 0:02:08.840 Richardson was also kind of a weirdo. He later on 0:02:08.919 --> 0:02:13.280 in his life, when he retired to Massachusetts to work 0:02:13.400 --> 0:02:16.680 from home in his home studio, he would apparently whatever 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:19.560 clients would go to visit him, he would ring a gong, 0:02:20.120 --> 0:02:22.680 or rather have his assistants ring a gong, and then 0:02:22.720 --> 0:02:25.720 he would walk out to greet the clients. Wearing a 0:02:25.880 --> 0:02:29.800 monk upfit like full ropes. Um. He's not a monk, 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:34.320 but he wanted to reinforce the sort of medieval nous 0:02:34.400 --> 0:02:37.200 of his design and so some of his must Filam's 0:02:37.240 --> 0:02:42.560 works are the Trinity Church in Boston, Massachusetts and the 0:02:42.600 --> 0:02:46.519 New York State Asylum in Buffalo, New York are both 0:02:46.600 --> 0:02:49.919 really good examples of his work. But it's very influential 0:02:50.080 --> 0:02:55.120 and like the Minneapolis downtown has um several Richard's bunny 0:02:55.160 --> 0:02:58.160 in Romanesque buildings. Um. So he suedually give him the 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.160 Google and see his monk outfit because it's very conneming. 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:05.280 The payments sounds cool. Can't wait to visit. Thanks. I 0:03:05.280 --> 0:03:10.160 actually love Richardsonian Romanesque architecture. There's like a lot of it, 0:03:10.440 --> 0:03:13.320 I feel, like in Brooklyn or like, you know, if 0:03:13.360 --> 0:03:15.200 it's not designed by him, it's at least kind of 0:03:15.320 --> 0:03:17.960 influenced by him. It's that kind of like any kind 0:03:18.000 --> 0:03:22.640 of brick building that has a turret in it. Yeah. Yeah, 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.200 Like it's like the kind of Victorian cake house type thing, 0:03:27.240 --> 0:03:32.480 except all like red brick looks fantastic. Um. I think 0:03:32.560 --> 0:03:35.160 like the Tenet Bombs House and reyal Tenet Bombs I 0:03:35.160 --> 0:03:37.840 feel like it's sort of in this vein. Oh, totally 0:03:38.200 --> 0:03:41.240 that kind of thing. I like the they say that 0:03:41.280 --> 0:03:47.280 they have the cylindrical towers with the conical caps, little 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:50.680 witch hats on top of your buildings. Yes, please more that. 0:03:51.360 --> 0:03:53.080 I did not know he was such a weirdo though. 0:03:53.080 --> 0:03:57.160 Why are so many Arctic architects weirdos? They're like directors 0:03:57.160 --> 0:04:02.480 because they have crazy visions in their that mostly don't 0:04:02.480 --> 0:04:07.440 ever get made, and they're obsessive control freaks and artists. 0:04:07.960 --> 0:04:10.640 Architects are actually the most interesting people to me. I 0:04:10.680 --> 0:04:12.800 know a lot of them for some reason. I have 0:04:12.800 --> 0:04:14.920 a bunch of friends that are architects. Because you have 0:04:15.040 --> 0:04:18.800 to be a math person, an engineering person, and a 0:04:18.920 --> 0:04:23.480 creative person. Yeah. Yeah, that's the part that I never could. 0:04:23.520 --> 0:04:26.400 You know. I'm like, I could draw a building, but 0:04:26.520 --> 0:04:30.040 could I make it stand up? No? Right, yeah, think 0:04:30.080 --> 0:04:35.640 about loads bearing and whatnot. Also very high stakes, extremely 0:04:35.720 --> 0:04:38.760 high stakes in terms of art. It's like, that's art 0:04:38.880 --> 0:04:45.000 that can kill people. All art can kill people too. Okay, 0:04:45.080 --> 0:04:49.440 that's true, that's fair. This could kill a lot of 0:04:49.480 --> 0:04:52.479 people all at once, so by accident. But yeah, I 0:04:52.480 --> 0:04:54.920 mean these the the holy Trinity that the scholar is 0:04:54.960 --> 0:05:00.080 talking about are amazing stone cold weirdos all total to 0:05:00.160 --> 0:05:03.440 stone cold wirdos, but also yeah, they're remarkable for having 0:05:03.480 --> 0:05:06.560 all built so much stuff. Yeah, and for so much 0:05:06.600 --> 0:05:09.479 of its being standing. Yeah, and and and builds a 0:05:09.480 --> 0:05:11.280 lot of stuff and then had so much stuff. That's 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.800 sort of a being in the style. I feel like 0:05:12.839 --> 0:05:16.400 we get a lot, you know, we're It's funny because like, yeah, 0:05:16.520 --> 0:05:19.280 he seems like most of his works on the East coast, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:22.200 but then also a ton in the Upper Midwest. Sort 0:05:22.200 --> 0:05:25.800 of similar with Frank Lloyd, right, uh like very like 0:05:25.880 --> 0:05:30.200 I don't know, the Midwest seems like like upper Midwest, Illinois, Wisconsin, etcetera. 0:05:30.320 --> 0:05:34.640 Feels like a good architecture zone. Um. But yeah, we 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:39.200 also got another pyramid email. This one was from Corey, 0:05:39.400 --> 0:05:42.960 who wrote to us about a different pyramid, a much 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:46.920 more recent pyramid. Uh. They write, high night call, it's 0:05:46.920 --> 0:05:49.760 my unfortunate duty to inform you about a recent American 0:05:49.800 --> 0:05:54.359 pyramid demolition. The astro Zenica Pyramid and Westboro, Massachusetts, was 0:05:54.400 --> 0:05:56.920 torn down this January. It was built in the late 0:05:56.920 --> 0:05:59.200 two thousands and was always an important landmark to my 0:05:59.240 --> 0:06:01.520 friends and I when we were teenagers. Delivering pizzas and 0:06:01.560 --> 0:06:04.440 generally cruising around the suburbs late at night. It was 0:06:04.440 --> 0:06:07.159 a tall, four sided pyramid made of blue mirrored class 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:10.280 that had a distinctly evil presence, which made sense seen 0:06:10.320 --> 0:06:12.760 as it served as the American headquarters for a big farm, 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:15.359 a giant. The building was raised to make way for 0:06:15.400 --> 0:06:18.440 a new forty million Amazon Robotics lab, which doesn't even 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.720 make sense because wouldn't you just keep the evil pyramid 0:06:20.720 --> 0:06:23.719 if you were building an Amazon robotics lab. I'm attaching 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:25.480 some pictures to give you an idea of how truly 0:06:25.480 --> 0:06:27.919 bizarre this office building pyramid in the middle of the 0:06:27.960 --> 0:06:31.599 New England suburbs was um and they also sent a video. 0:06:32.880 --> 0:06:36.240 But this is wild. Do you guys know about this? 0:06:36.800 --> 0:06:42.640 I had in Westboro? Uh, it's I mean, it looks 0:06:42.680 --> 0:06:45.240 like the like it looks like the Louver Pyramid. I 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:47.279 can't really get a sense of how big it is 0:06:47.640 --> 0:06:51.599 from these photos in this article, which is in the 0:06:51.720 --> 0:06:55.280 uh Metro west Daily News. I had to answer a 0:06:55.360 --> 0:06:57.839 survey to read this article because that's the state of 0:06:58.320 --> 0:07:01.479 local news, I guess right now. But yeah, they're like, like, 0:07:01.760 --> 0:07:04.039 you know, you can see them in the photos, like 0:07:04.120 --> 0:07:06.560 ripping it to shreds. For the picture of the pyramid 0:07:06.640 --> 0:07:11.840 being shredded is pretty crazy. It's also weird to me 0:07:12.440 --> 0:07:15.120 that it looks like it's built of either It's like 0:07:15.200 --> 0:07:17.840 mirrored glass, is what it looks like. I just can't 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.880 imagine how blinding that thing must have been with the 0:07:20.960 --> 0:07:24.720 sun bouncing off of it. Uh, but what a strange 0:07:24.800 --> 0:07:27.200 thing to have in the middle of Massachusetts. And also 0:07:27.320 --> 0:07:31.040 it is very what an odd decision to tear down 0:07:31.720 --> 0:07:34.240 this strange, evil building. I mean it see it looks 0:07:34.240 --> 0:07:38.239 exactly on brand for Amazon. It's like, you know, well, 0:07:38.320 --> 0:07:42.160 I think maybe on brand, you know, in terms of 0:07:42.200 --> 0:07:45.600 reality and what Amazon actually represents. But you know, am 0:07:45.640 --> 0:07:47.760 soon is like really trying to rehab their image right 0:07:47.800 --> 0:07:49.640 now in a very stupid way. Like they're running all 0:07:49.680 --> 0:07:51.560 these ads out how they're trying to like green their 0:07:51.600 --> 0:07:54.080 business or whatever, and how like Amazon is actually the 0:07:54.080 --> 0:07:57.400 most virtuous company on earth or whatever, and like everybody 0:07:57.400 --> 0:07:59.520 there cares about their children's future. I'm sure that many 0:07:59.560 --> 0:08:01.880 people at amazon't care about their children's future, but come on, 0:08:02.280 --> 0:08:08.040 uh yeah, so I think like this makes sense to us, 0:08:08.200 --> 0:08:10.520 is like, yes, Amazon should live in the evil Pyramid. 0:08:10.680 --> 0:08:13.080 It's what they deserve. But Amazon is like, no, we 0:08:13.080 --> 0:08:16.800 should live in a heka a little cottage, like we 0:08:16.800 --> 0:08:20.320 should be the cutie. It's still com Valley Giant pyramids 0:08:20.520 --> 0:08:24.119 aren't evil though, they're just but this one looks evil. 0:08:24.400 --> 0:08:27.360 This one does look evil. That's also because it's partially gutted, 0:08:27.480 --> 0:08:30.200 so it's guts are spilling out and it actually the 0:08:30.240 --> 0:08:33.360 way that it you know, in this one picture, it 0:08:33.400 --> 0:08:36.160 looks like shredded paper is kind of coming out of 0:08:36.200 --> 0:08:39.400 it because of the supports and like joys and stuff. 0:08:39.880 --> 0:08:42.680 Uh and it looks like it's kind of being torn 0:08:42.760 --> 0:08:47.360 to ribbons. But it also I mean, it's weird because 0:08:47.400 --> 0:08:49.720 in l A you get so used to having such 0:08:49.720 --> 0:08:52.560 a mix of architecture and there are just really no 0:08:52.800 --> 0:08:55.080 rules kind of seemed to apply unless you're in a 0:08:55.120 --> 0:08:59.960 historic preservation overlay. Uh so, but Massachusetts, you just it's 0:09:00.120 --> 0:09:03.079 rare to see a mirrored pyramid in the middle of 0:09:03.160 --> 0:09:06.160 the place, so should have kept the pyramid. People must 0:09:06.160 --> 0:09:08.920 have been pissed about the mirrored pyramid. I would imagine, 0:09:09.200 --> 0:09:12.120 Oh yeah when when that first went up. Well, it's 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:15.440 also so new. It was built in the two thousand's, 0:09:15.920 --> 0:09:18.920 Like you built a pyramid, and it has a lifespan 0:09:19.040 --> 0:09:21.400 of like fifth that's going to be the shortest lifespan 0:09:21.520 --> 0:09:28.520 of any pyramid ever ever constructed pyramid, the least acient 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:32.880 pyramid because it's like post lux Or but got raised 0:09:32.920 --> 0:09:38.400 before lux Or. Um. Yeah, we love getting calls and 0:09:38.559 --> 0:09:44.600 emails about pyramids and architectural styles. Super interesting. Yeah, keep 0:09:44.640 --> 0:09:48.840 them coming. More more mids. On the subject of aesthetics, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:57.080 I wanted to talk about October's sweetie, the twelve foot 0:09:57.160 --> 0:10:00.800 skeleton from Home Depot. Go on, have you guys seen him? 0:10:00.920 --> 0:10:02.960 Have you seen it? You know? I even went to 0:10:03.000 --> 0:10:05.679 Home Depot recently. I don't know what. They're sold out. 0:10:06.000 --> 0:10:08.800 They're sold out everywhere. You have to look at the pictures. 0:10:09.520 --> 0:10:12.640 My friend went to get one, they were all gone 0:10:12.679 --> 0:10:15.200 and they were already putting out Christmas stuff. So this 0:10:15.320 --> 0:10:19.400 also was written about in mel magazine. Miles Clee wrote 0:10:19.440 --> 0:10:23.240 a piece called There's something about Home Depots twelve foot skeleton, 0:10:23.320 --> 0:10:29.880 and there certainly is. They have animated I kind of glow. Um. 0:10:30.400 --> 0:10:34.439 They twelve feet is quite tall when you really think 0:10:34.520 --> 0:10:40.559 about it's strange height to pick It's not strange height. Yeah, 0:10:40.679 --> 0:10:43.800 it's like I recently had this weird double take moment 0:10:43.800 --> 0:10:45.560 where I saw in my rear view mirror or maybe 0:10:45.559 --> 0:10:47.760 it was like on a truck that there was like 0:10:47.800 --> 0:10:50.320 a photo on the truck, like it was a a 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:52.679 Ralph's truck or whatever. I had a lady on it, like, 0:10:52.720 --> 0:10:54.520 you know, smiling, you know, like I don't know a 0:10:54.600 --> 0:10:57.760 Ralph's employer or whatever. But it was just big enough 0:10:57.840 --> 0:11:00.680 that I was like, that's a huge it over there, 0:11:01.080 --> 0:11:04.720 and then I realized that it was just a painting. 0:11:04.880 --> 0:11:07.720 But like when you're in that weird on candy zone 0:11:07.960 --> 0:11:10.760 between where it's like truly just a giant thing, like 0:11:10.800 --> 0:11:14.120 a big blow up inflatable skeleton or something. Also, we're 0:11:14.160 --> 0:11:18.440 also like unfamiliar with the world again now that everything 0:11:18.559 --> 0:11:20.959 feels a little bit like that. I hadn't experienced a 0:11:21.000 --> 0:11:23.480 couple of days ago where I thought a squirrel running 0:11:23.520 --> 0:11:26.400 towards me was a cat, and then when it got closed, 0:11:26.440 --> 0:11:30.280 I was like, it's a very small cat. Oh no, 0:11:30.360 --> 0:11:35.839 it's a squirrel. But just like I feel like, yeah, 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:39.360 my sense of size is all out of whack, and 0:11:39.400 --> 0:11:44.000 so the twelve foot skeleton it just feels to me 0:11:44.720 --> 0:11:50.520 completely right for our moment culturally, Yeah, what is it? 0:11:50.679 --> 0:11:52.960 What is it about this that speaks to our moment. 0:11:53.080 --> 0:11:55.920 Here's what I think. Here's what I as a as 0:11:55.920 --> 0:11:59.080 a connoisseur of Halloween decorations. I just like when people 0:11:59.160 --> 0:12:03.680 like put dumb it on their lawns. It's really that 0:12:03.880 --> 0:12:07.080 for me. I like that people decorate their houses in 0:12:07.120 --> 0:12:10.720 a way that is tacky. You know. I love similist 0:12:10.760 --> 0:12:14.559 Halloween houses, yeah, exactly. And I love what people do 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:17.679 with like not that much stuff. You know. I'm not 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:21.480 that into the like expensive haunts or they're like fancy, 0:12:21.679 --> 0:12:24.480 you know, things like that that people. You know, theme 0:12:24.520 --> 0:12:26.760 park haunts are fine. But what I like is like 0:12:26.880 --> 0:12:32.280 a Jankee yard display. So there's been a lot of 0:12:32.480 --> 0:12:35.400 things in the yard display arena. There's been just like 0:12:35.440 --> 0:12:37.520 more and more innovations. There was this period where they 0:12:37.520 --> 0:12:39.920 were just like pumping out more and more Halloween things 0:12:40.280 --> 0:12:43.480 that were like the inflatable giant black cats all of 0:12:43.480 --> 0:12:47.360 a sudden, and then those things that let you project 0:12:47.640 --> 0:12:51.240 on the house. There's just like an arms race for 0:12:51.280 --> 0:12:54.319 Halloween stuff, and there was more and more of it, 0:12:54.400 --> 0:12:58.040 and then it hit this like cliff in the past 0:12:58.080 --> 0:13:03.680 couple of years, because everything's fucking depressing and scary and 0:13:03.960 --> 0:13:06.480 maybe people don't want to spend people maybe hop less 0:13:06.520 --> 0:13:10.720 money also to spend on Halloween garbage. So I felt 0:13:10.720 --> 0:13:12.920 like last year there was no Halloween decorating. Did you 0:13:12.960 --> 0:13:16.400 guys feel that way? I was like, so not tuned 0:13:16.440 --> 0:13:19.240 into Halloween last year, and now I feel like I 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.840 missed out. It was there was a huge brew haha 0:13:23.080 --> 0:13:26.240 in my neighborhood about Halloween and trick or treating, where 0:13:26.400 --> 0:13:30.240 um neighbors were fighting over what was perceived to be 0:13:30.240 --> 0:13:35.040 a lack of commitment to decorating houses during Halloween and 0:13:35.080 --> 0:13:37.960 also a lack of commitment to children staying in their 0:13:38.000 --> 0:13:44.200 own neighborhoods to trick or treat. Yeah. Really brutal, gossipy, 0:13:44.440 --> 0:13:48.679 strange conversation, so weird. I just sat it out and 0:13:48.720 --> 0:13:54.760 read all those emails and was like, that's super crazy. 0:13:55.040 --> 0:13:58.439 That's like a Shirley Jackson story. It absolutely is. I'm 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.800 always reporting from the weirdest neighborhood in the world to 0:14:01.880 --> 0:14:05.400 you guys. Apparently it's very plugged in. It was like 0:14:05.480 --> 0:14:08.520 for years, every year there would be some new innovation 0:14:09.160 --> 0:14:11.959 in Halloween decorating that I had never seen before, and 0:14:12.000 --> 0:14:15.360 then it stopped. It was like, we've reached the limit. 0:14:15.840 --> 0:14:19.240 There's nothing new. We have all these inflatables and projections 0:14:19.240 --> 0:14:21.840 and things like we've this is as far as it goes, 0:14:22.400 --> 0:14:25.160 and there's nothing new. Last year and then this year 0:14:25.880 --> 0:14:30.720 the Big Boy appeared, the Big Boy, the gin Boy, 0:14:30.840 --> 0:14:34.560 the Big Boy, and he has like light up scary eyes. 0:14:34.680 --> 0:14:39.480 It's just the most ominous thing I've ever seen. It's 0:14:39.520 --> 0:14:44.000 really scary, but it's so scary it becomes funny because 0:14:44.080 --> 0:14:47.120 it's like totally unsettling, and it just feels like we 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:53.040 turned this corner into just plunging into the absurdity of 0:14:53.200 --> 0:14:58.360 now there there is something about it formally, like it's 0:14:58.360 --> 0:15:01.440 not an inflatable, it's not a thing that's like been 0:15:01.520 --> 0:15:06.280 painted onto something. It is literally a skeleton, a solid skeleton, 0:15:06.680 --> 0:15:09.720 and it's a fucking skeleton in a time when we're 0:15:09.760 --> 0:15:13.520 having a plague. It feels medieval to me, you know, 0:15:13.560 --> 0:15:16.360 at a time of like refrigerated body trucks, Like we 0:15:16.400 --> 0:15:19.120 are going to put giant skeletons out on our lawns 0:15:19.280 --> 0:15:22.960 just because let's go all the way. Uh. I don't know, 0:15:23.440 --> 0:15:27.640 it's funny because it's so incredibly impractical. And I think 0:15:27.800 --> 0:15:31.640 that with Halloween decorations. When Molly was talking about the 0:15:31.720 --> 0:15:34.720 lack of innovation, I think it's also just kind of 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.560 I mean, at least in my neighborhood, you can feel 0:15:37.600 --> 0:15:40.160 when people are getting tired of putting in the effort, 0:15:40.240 --> 0:15:42.040 Like you can only do it so many years in 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.960 a row. If you're doing it for like neighborhood kids 0:15:45.080 --> 0:15:47.920 or for your own kids. Eventually those kids are too 0:15:47.960 --> 0:15:49.760 old and you're not going to care. But you have 0:15:49.840 --> 0:15:52.880 to like stow all of that stuff for most of 0:15:52.920 --> 0:15:57.280 the year, three hundred sixty four days, no rules, Like 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.960 we're living in crazy times. You can keep that out 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:05.800 twelve foot you don't. I'm hoping that some of them 0:16:06.280 --> 0:16:08.920 stay up through Christmas and they just put Santa on 0:16:09.000 --> 0:16:13.440 the can you can you pose them? Like, no, you can't. 0:16:13.440 --> 0:16:16.440 I watched a video because I was very like, how 0:16:16.440 --> 0:16:18.200 do you get them to stand up? What are they 0:16:18.240 --> 0:16:21.680 mounted on? I wanted to know, So I watched an 0:16:21.760 --> 0:16:25.120 unboxing video made by these like two kids, like a 0:16:25.160 --> 0:16:27.760 couple of dudes that are like ten, you know, who 0:16:27.760 --> 0:16:31.120 are like get the box. They're so excited and then 0:16:31.160 --> 0:16:33.720 they unbox it and like show you how they build it. 0:16:34.240 --> 0:16:36.360 You have to build it, Yeah, you have to build it. 0:16:36.400 --> 0:16:38.920 It's twelve ft tall. It doesn't just stand up by itself, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:41.160 because it's sucking twelve feet are They all the bones 0:16:41.320 --> 0:16:46.560 and you put them together and it's so crazy. It's 0:16:46.600 --> 0:16:49.880 like there's a there's like a base, and you mount 0:16:49.960 --> 0:16:51.880 it to the base and then you put the feet 0:16:51.920 --> 0:16:55.840 on and you build it upwards. And these kids, I think, 0:16:55.840 --> 0:16:58.240 had to stand on something to get to the top. 0:16:58.760 --> 0:17:00.960 This reminds me of this wood block, like one of 0:17:00.960 --> 0:17:04.359 my favorites, Japanese wood blocks. Ever, of the giant skeletons, 0:17:05.359 --> 0:17:08.560 like breaking down the walls and terrifying. Yes, and there's 0:17:08.600 --> 0:17:11.840 something about a giant thing. I've just also been watching 0:17:11.840 --> 0:17:13.920 all these theme park videos and I watched a bunch 0:17:13.960 --> 0:17:17.840 about Kong Frontation, which was a King Kong ride at 0:17:17.880 --> 0:17:23.000 Universal that had a giant King Kong animatronic. And it 0:17:23.040 --> 0:17:26.120 looks just very terrifying and amazing to me because it's 0:17:26.160 --> 0:17:29.919 like the scale of it is so big. You know, 0:17:30.040 --> 0:17:32.240 there's something about just like taking the scale of something 0:17:32.280 --> 0:17:35.640 and making it big. And again, the skeletons are like 0:17:36.160 --> 0:17:37.840 it felt like for a few years people didn't want 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.960 to be reminded of how bad things were of death 0:17:41.800 --> 0:17:45.680 and kind of felt like Halloween, you know, amped down 0:17:45.720 --> 0:17:48.320 a little bit after maybe hitting this peak of just 0:17:48.359 --> 0:17:51.479 all the haunt stuff in l A especially too, And 0:17:52.200 --> 0:17:54.320 now it feels like it's good. It's like, yeah, we 0:17:54.320 --> 0:17:57.000 shouldn't be able to not think about death right now. 0:17:57.520 --> 0:18:00.840 To play Devil's Advocate, we can't not think about death. 0:18:00.920 --> 0:18:03.880 It's I there have been a lot of conflicting opinions 0:18:04.040 --> 0:18:08.000 um on social media about whether like Americans are having 0:18:08.000 --> 0:18:10.720 to confront the fact that they they don't think about 0:18:10.800 --> 0:18:12.920 death enough and now we're going to have to think 0:18:12.920 --> 0:18:16.440 about death more versus like just acknowledge. I feel like 0:18:16.480 --> 0:18:19.720 I think about death constantly. I'm never not thinking about death. 0:18:19.880 --> 0:18:22.280 But I don't know. I mean, just to play Devil's 0:18:22.320 --> 0:18:26.000 Advocate a giant twelve foot skeleton when you're having to 0:18:26.040 --> 0:18:28.800 talk to your kids and mask them up and being like, 0:18:29.280 --> 0:18:34.119 don't worry, everything's fine. There's just a disease that kills people, 0:18:34.320 --> 0:18:38.720 and then being like, happy Halloween. Here's some giant, terrifying skeletons, 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:41.880 Like that might be a fun talk to have with 0:18:41.920 --> 0:18:46.080 my kids. I think, I think, you know, in general, 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:48.720 I should say there's probably all sorts of different reactions 0:18:48.760 --> 0:18:52.159 to this, But I think one if things kind of 0:18:52.240 --> 0:18:54.119 if things managed to turn around and this isn't the 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:57.320 last like fifteen years of human civilization or whatever, I 0:18:57.359 --> 0:19:00.119 think that the kids who are kids right now are 0:19:00.160 --> 0:19:03.439 gonna be better equipped to think about death and and 0:19:03.680 --> 0:19:06.520 life and death basically than that, certainly than we were, 0:19:06.600 --> 0:19:10.399 and I think probably most generations in like modern you know, 0:19:11.720 --> 0:19:18.600 I'm going to play Angels Advocate here. That's a nice thought. Okay, 0:19:18.720 --> 0:19:23.520 I'm going to play you know, chaotic Angel the Devil 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:27.240 which advocate, which is what I always play in this podcast. Um, 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.560 but don't I do think that, like each generation of 0:19:30.680 --> 0:19:33.920 children has its own thing like that. Like we grew 0:19:34.000 --> 0:19:38.159 up around the AIDS crisis, and so I was definitely 0:19:38.480 --> 0:19:41.360 very I felt like that kind of gives you this 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.600 like dose of realism when you're a kid, you know, 0:19:43.640 --> 0:19:46.840 because they had how immediate was that for you? As 0:19:46.880 --> 0:19:48.800 I guess you guys were a little bit older. For me, 0:19:48.920 --> 0:19:51.639 it was I grew up in the West village, so 0:19:51.760 --> 0:19:55.359 that that was like constant. And also my parents worked 0:19:55.359 --> 0:19:58.280 in entertainment, so so many of their friends were you know, 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:01.720 in fact in HIV and had partners ive AIDS, like 0:20:01.760 --> 0:20:05.160 when I remember being around eight years old or nine 0:20:05.200 --> 0:20:07.320 years old and just having it be like a constant 0:20:07.320 --> 0:20:11.280 thought for me. But I think this is different because 0:20:12.160 --> 0:20:14.960 children during the AIDS epidemic, most of them did not 0:20:15.119 --> 0:20:18.640 have to take too many precautions to like adapt their 0:20:18.680 --> 0:20:22.280 own lives. There was a lot of television I'm specifically 0:20:22.320 --> 0:20:25.880 thinking of. There was like a Sesame Streets segment. There 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.560 were a lot of segments about there was a kid 0:20:28.640 --> 0:20:31.440 named Ryan White who was the first kid born infected 0:20:31.600 --> 0:20:36.120 with HIV, and he was on television a lot, just 0:20:36.680 --> 0:20:39.879 you know, to be educating people about the fact that 0:20:39.920 --> 0:20:43.520 like HIV can be passed and then also it's okay 0:20:43.560 --> 0:20:45.959 to like hang out with people who have HIV. That 0:20:46.040 --> 0:20:49.520 was a big part of it, was I remember this campaign. Yeah, 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.719 and and there was a big thing where like Alissa 0:20:51.760 --> 0:20:55.959 Milano kissed him on I think the Phill Donni Hugh 0:20:56.000 --> 0:20:58.480 Show or something to like prove that like you can 0:20:58.560 --> 0:21:00.840 kiss somebody who has HIV and you can hold hands 0:21:00.840 --> 0:21:03.880 with them and you're not, you know, at risk of transmission. 0:21:04.119 --> 0:21:08.600 But yeah, I mean think about the difference between us 0:21:08.680 --> 0:21:12.160 experiencing the HIV and AIDS epidemic as children and how 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:18.560 children now are interpreting, in particular the world outside their 0:21:18.600 --> 0:21:22.160 homes as being I just feel like they don't know 0:21:22.440 --> 0:21:25.919 anything else they do. I mean, it depends on your 0:21:26.000 --> 0:21:29.000 kid's age. I don't know. I definitely hope that at 0:21:29.080 --> 0:21:32.480 least uh some good comes out of this in terms 0:21:32.560 --> 0:21:37.080 of being able to recognize how people look after each other. 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:39.960 I mean, I think maybe one of the only good 0:21:39.960 --> 0:21:42.600 things about being a kid and having to talk with 0:21:42.640 --> 0:21:45.280 your parents about why people are wearing masks, which two 0:21:45.320 --> 0:21:48.200 younger kids can look super scary, and to be able 0:21:48.240 --> 0:21:51.199 to have a conversation about how that's taking care of 0:21:51.240 --> 0:21:54.520 each other, and like kind of thinking beyond the visual 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.359 of like you see someone, you don't recognize them, you 0:21:57.400 --> 0:21:59.840 can't see if they're smiling, And to just be able 0:21:59.840 --> 0:22:03.119 to be like, oh, that's in order to protect other people. 0:22:03.200 --> 0:22:06.640 That's like, you know, a community effort has been really 0:22:06.680 --> 0:22:09.280 great and productive. But I do I often worry because 0:22:09.280 --> 0:22:11.120 I'm I I have O c D and I can 0:22:11.160 --> 0:22:14.200 be a little obsessive about germophobic things, and as a 0:22:14.240 --> 0:22:17.159 kid that was definitely true as well. So I don't know, 0:22:17.200 --> 0:22:20.480 it could be an interesting Halloween if your kid is 0:22:20.520 --> 0:22:23.560 already a little freaked out. However, I'm still pro twelve 0:22:23.600 --> 0:22:27.600 foot skeleton. Well, that just starts a whole new conversation, 0:22:28.080 --> 0:22:32.080 you know. It's like the twelve foot skeletons just provide 0:22:32.080 --> 0:22:36.080 an opportunity to release some of the fear and stress 0:22:36.400 --> 0:22:40.840 and anxiety that's in the air for obvious reasons. It 0:22:40.960 --> 0:22:45.240 just feels it feels right for the year. Well, it's 0:22:45.240 --> 0:22:47.639 how like the best horror movie I think make you 0:22:47.720 --> 0:22:50.200 laugh more than they make you like scream or be 0:22:50.280 --> 0:22:52.879 genuinely scared. And I think there's something about the giggles 0:22:52.920 --> 0:22:55.040 that you get when you see these twelve foot skeletons 0:22:55.080 --> 0:22:59.600 that is very cathartic and very healthy. It's cathartic and 0:23:00.040 --> 0:23:02.600 it's not like there are other things that are way 0:23:02.640 --> 0:23:04.879 scarier to me than that. The thing I find the 0:23:04.920 --> 0:23:07.800 scariest is when somebody puts like a figurine in their window, 0:23:08.000 --> 0:23:10.879 like a human looking person, and it's not human, you know, 0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.200 like a mannequin, like an home alone. I find mannequin 0:23:14.760 --> 0:23:19.480 scarier than the twelve foot skeleton. Personally. I got a 0:23:19.520 --> 0:23:22.800 fuzzy styrofoam cat, a black cat that you're supposed to 0:23:22.880 --> 0:23:25.439 mount on a wall and uh if we've had it 0:23:25.480 --> 0:23:27.680