Speaker 1: It's twelve eleven am in torn Neo, Texas and you're
Speaker 1: listening to Night Call. Hello and welcome Tonight Call, a
Speaker 1: call in show for artist Tope in Reality. My name
Speaker 1: is Emily Oshda. I'm in Los Angeles and with me
Speaker 1: on the other line are Molly Lambert and Test Lynch.
Speaker 1: And later on in the show, we're going to be
Speaker 1: joined by our special guest, Sadie Dupu a k a.
Speaker 1: Sad thirteen. She's here to talk about her new album,
Speaker 1: Haunted Painting, also just ghosts in general, Haunted Studios, a
Speaker 1: bunch of fun stuff, so stay tuned for that. But
Speaker 1: right now, we're bringing back our new segment, Pyramid Pals.
Speaker 1: We introduced it last week and it's definitely going to
Speaker 1: be with us every single week from now on. You
Speaker 1: can depend on a Pyramid Palace segment every week, just
Speaker 1: like Cradam Corner. But we got a bunch of calls
Speaker 1: after we talked about the Ames Monument and the Luxe
Speaker 1: Tour last week, So let's take a Pyramid Call. Let's
Speaker 1: take that Pyramid Call. High Night Call. I'm the first
Speaker 1: time caller from Minneapolis. I'm an architectural historian, and what's
Speaker 1: heard you talking about the Aims Pyramid designed by Henry
Speaker 1: Hobson Richardson. UM, just want to call in a little
Speaker 1: bit more information about Richardson because he's very important and
Speaker 1: very weird. He has a style, an architectural style named
Speaker 1: after him, which is called richardson Ian Romanesque UM. It's
Speaker 1: growing off of the Romanesque style UM, but with his
Speaker 1: own personal twists on it. And it's very medieval looking.
Speaker 1: It's very heavy. It's known for having rusticated stone work UM,
Speaker 1: which is like what you see at the Aims Monument.
Speaker 1: And Richardson is considered part of the Holy Trinity of
Speaker 1: American architecture. If you're into that kind of deifying architects
Speaker 1: as geniuses, he's right up there with movie cull of them,
Speaker 1: and frankly right both of him were influenced by his work.
Speaker 1: Richardson was also kind of a weirdo. He later on
Speaker 1: in his life, when he retired to Massachusetts to work
Speaker 1: from home in his home studio, he would apparently whatever
Speaker 1: clients would go to visit him, he would ring a gong,
Speaker 1: or rather have his assistants ring a gong, and then
Speaker 1: he would walk out to greet the clients. Wearing a
Speaker 1: monk upfit like full ropes. Um. He's not a monk,
Speaker 1: but he wanted to reinforce the sort of medieval nous
Speaker 1: of his design and so some of his must Filam's
Speaker 1: works are the Trinity Church in Boston, Massachusetts and the
Speaker 1: New York State Asylum in Buffalo, New York are both
Speaker 1: really good examples of his work. But it's very influential
Speaker 1: and like the Minneapolis downtown has um several Richard's bunny
Speaker 1: in Romanesque buildings. Um. So he suedually give him the
Speaker 1: Google and see his monk outfit because it's very conneming.
Speaker 1: The payments sounds cool. Can't wait to visit. Thanks. I
Speaker 1: actually love Richardsonian Romanesque architecture. There's like a lot of it,
Speaker 1: I feel, like in Brooklyn or like, you know, if
Speaker 1: it's not designed by him, it's at least kind of
Speaker 1: influenced by him. It's that kind of like any kind
Speaker 1: of brick building that has a turret in it. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Like it's like the kind of Victorian cake house type thing,
Speaker 1: except all like red brick looks fantastic. Um. I think
Speaker 1: like the Tenet Bombs House and reyal Tenet Bombs I
Speaker 1: feel like it's sort of in this vein. Oh, totally
Speaker 1: that kind of thing. I like the they say that
Speaker 1: they have the cylindrical towers with the conical caps, little
Speaker 1: witch hats on top of your buildings. Yes, please more that.
Speaker 1: I did not know he was such a weirdo though.
Speaker 1: Why are so many Arctic architects weirdos? They're like directors
Speaker 1: because they have crazy visions in their that mostly don't
Speaker 1: ever get made, and they're obsessive control freaks and artists.
Speaker 1: Architects are actually the most interesting people to me. I
Speaker 1: know a lot of them for some reason. I have
Speaker 1: a bunch of friends that are architects. Because you have
Speaker 1: to be a math person, an engineering person, and a
Speaker 1: creative person. Yeah. Yeah, that's the part that I never could.
Speaker 1: You know. I'm like, I could draw a building, but
Speaker 1: could I make it stand up? No? Right, yeah, think
Speaker 1: about loads bearing and whatnot. Also very high stakes, extremely
Speaker 1: high stakes in terms of art. It's like, that's art
Speaker 1: that can kill people. All art can kill people too. Okay,
Speaker 1: that's true, that's fair. This could kill a lot of
Speaker 1: people all at once, so by accident. But yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean these the the holy Trinity that the scholar is
Speaker 1: talking about are amazing stone cold weirdos all total to
Speaker 1: stone cold wirdos, but also yeah, they're remarkable for having
Speaker 1: all built so much stuff. Yeah, and for so much
Speaker 1: of its being standing. Yeah, and and and builds a
Speaker 1: lot of stuff and then had so much stuff. That's
Speaker 1: sort of a being in the style. I feel like
Speaker 1: we get a lot, you know, we're It's funny because like, yeah,
Speaker 1: he seems like most of his works on the East coast,
Speaker 1: but then also a ton in the Upper Midwest. Sort
Speaker 1: of similar with Frank Lloyd, right, uh like very like
Speaker 1: I don't know, the Midwest seems like like upper Midwest, Illinois, Wisconsin, etcetera.
Speaker 1: Feels like a good architecture zone. Um. But yeah, we
Speaker 1: also got another pyramid email. This one was from Corey,
Speaker 1: who wrote to us about a different pyramid, a much
Speaker 1: more recent pyramid. Uh. They write, high night call, it's
Speaker 1: my unfortunate duty to inform you about a recent American
Speaker 1: pyramid demolition. The astro Zenica Pyramid and Westboro, Massachusetts, was
Speaker 1: torn down this January. It was built in the late
Speaker 1: two thousands and was always an important landmark to my
Speaker 1: friends and I when we were teenagers. Delivering pizzas and
Speaker 1: generally cruising around the suburbs late at night. It was
Speaker 1: a tall, four sided pyramid made of blue mirrored class
Speaker 1: that had a distinctly evil presence, which made sense seen
Speaker 1: as it served as the American headquarters for a big farm,
Speaker 1: a giant. The building was raised to make way for
Speaker 1: a new forty million Amazon Robotics lab, which doesn't even
Speaker 1: make sense because wouldn't you just keep the evil pyramid
Speaker 1: if you were building an Amazon robotics lab. I'm attaching
Speaker 1: some pictures to give you an idea of how truly
Speaker 1: bizarre this office building pyramid in the middle of the
Speaker 1: New England suburbs was um and they also sent a video.
Speaker 1: But this is wild. Do you guys know about this?
Speaker 1: I had in Westboro? Uh, it's I mean, it looks
Speaker 1: like the like it looks like the Louver Pyramid. I
Speaker 1: can't really get a sense of how big it is
Speaker 1: from these photos in this article, which is in the
Speaker 1: uh Metro west Daily News. I had to answer a
Speaker 1: survey to read this article because that's the state of
Speaker 1: local news, I guess right now. But yeah, they're like, like,
Speaker 1: you know, you can see them in the photos, like
Speaker 1: ripping it to shreds. For the picture of the pyramid
Speaker 1: being shredded is pretty crazy. It's also weird to me
Speaker 1: that it looks like it's built of either It's like
Speaker 1: mirrored glass, is what it looks like. I just can't
Speaker 1: imagine how blinding that thing must have been with the
Speaker 1: sun bouncing off of it. Uh, but what a strange
Speaker 1: thing to have in the middle of Massachusetts. And also
Speaker 1: it is very what an odd decision to tear down
Speaker 1: this strange, evil building. I mean it see it looks
Speaker 1: exactly on brand for Amazon. It's like, you know, well,
Speaker 1: I think maybe on brand, you know, in terms of
Speaker 1: reality and what Amazon actually represents. But you know, am
Speaker 1: soon is like really trying to rehab their image right
Speaker 1: now in a very stupid way. Like they're running all
Speaker 1: these ads out how they're trying to like green their
Speaker 1: business or whatever, and how like Amazon is actually the
Speaker 1: most virtuous company on earth or whatever, and like everybody
Speaker 1: there cares about their children's future. I'm sure that many
Speaker 1: people at amazon't care about their children's future, but come on,
Speaker 1: uh yeah, so I think like this makes sense to us,
Speaker 1: is like, yes, Amazon should live in the evil Pyramid.
Speaker 1: It's what they deserve. But Amazon is like, no, we
Speaker 1: should live in a heka a little cottage, like we
Speaker 1: should be the cutie. It's still com Valley Giant pyramids
Speaker 1: aren't evil though, they're just but this one looks evil.
Speaker 1: This one does look evil. That's also because it's partially gutted,
Speaker 1: so it's guts are spilling out and it actually the
Speaker 1: way that it you know, in this one picture, it
Speaker 1: looks like shredded paper is kind of coming out of
Speaker 1: it because of the supports and like joys and stuff.
Speaker 1: Uh and it looks like it's kind of being torn
Speaker 1: to ribbons. But it also I mean, it's weird because
Speaker 1: in l A you get so used to having such
Speaker 1: a mix of architecture and there are just really no
Speaker 1: rules kind of seemed to apply unless you're in a
Speaker 1: historic preservation overlay. Uh so, but Massachusetts, you just it's
Speaker 1: rare to see a mirrored pyramid in the middle of
Speaker 1: the place, so should have kept the pyramid. People must
Speaker 1: have been pissed about the mirrored pyramid. I would imagine,
Speaker 1: Oh yeah when when that first went up. Well, it's
Speaker 1: also so new. It was built in the two thousand's,
Speaker 1: Like you built a pyramid, and it has a lifespan
Speaker 1: of like fifth that's going to be the shortest lifespan
Speaker 1: of any pyramid ever ever constructed pyramid, the least acient
Speaker 1: pyramid because it's like post lux Or but got raised
Speaker 1: before lux Or. Um. Yeah, we love getting calls and
Speaker 1: emails about pyramids and architectural styles. Super interesting. Yeah, keep
Speaker 1: them coming. More more mids. On the subject of aesthetics,
Speaker 1: I wanted to talk about October's sweetie, the twelve foot
Speaker 1: skeleton from Home Depot. Go on, have you guys seen him?
Speaker 1: Have you seen it? You know? I even went to
Speaker 1: Home Depot recently. I don't know what. They're sold out.
Speaker 1: They're sold out everywhere. You have to look at the pictures.
Speaker 1: My friend went to get one, they were all gone
Speaker 1: and they were already putting out Christmas stuff. So this
Speaker 1: also was written about in mel magazine. Miles Clee wrote
Speaker 1: a piece called There's something about Home Depots twelve foot skeleton,
Speaker 1: and there certainly is. They have animated I kind of glow. Um.
Speaker 1: They twelve feet is quite tall when you really think
Speaker 1: about it's strange height to pick It's not strange height. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like I recently had this weird double take moment
Speaker 1: where I saw in my rear view mirror or maybe
Speaker 1: it was like on a truck that there was like
Speaker 1: a photo on the truck, like it was a a
Speaker 1: Ralph's truck or whatever. I had a lady on it, like,
Speaker 1: you know, smiling, you know, like I don't know a
Speaker 1: Ralph's employer or whatever. But it was just big enough
Speaker 1: that I was like, that's a huge it over there,
Speaker 1: and then I realized that it was just a painting.
Speaker 1: But like when you're in that weird on candy zone
Speaker 1: between where it's like truly just a giant thing, like
Speaker 1: a big blow up inflatable skeleton or something. Also, we're
Speaker 1: also like unfamiliar with the world again now that everything
Speaker 1: feels a little bit like that. I hadn't experienced a
Speaker 1: couple of days ago where I thought a squirrel running
Speaker 1: towards me was a cat, and then when it got closed,
Speaker 1: I was like, it's a very small cat. Oh no,
Speaker 1: it's a squirrel. But just like I feel like, yeah,
Speaker 1: my sense of size is all out of whack, and
Speaker 1: so the twelve foot skeleton it just feels to me
Speaker 1: completely right for our moment culturally, Yeah, what is it?
Speaker 1: What is it about this that speaks to our moment.
Speaker 1: Here's what I think. Here's what I as a as
Speaker 1: a connoisseur of Halloween decorations. I just like when people
Speaker 1: like put dumb it on their lawns. It's really that
Speaker 1: for me. I like that people decorate their houses in
Speaker 1: a way that is tacky. You know. I love similist
Speaker 1: Halloween houses, yeah, exactly. And I love what people do
Speaker 1: with like not that much stuff. You know. I'm not
Speaker 1: that into the like expensive haunts or they're like fancy,
Speaker 1: you know, things like that that people. You know, theme
Speaker 1: park haunts are fine. But what I like is like
Speaker 1: a Jankee yard display. So there's been a lot of
Speaker 1: things in the yard display arena. There's been just like
Speaker 1: more and more innovations. There was this period where they
Speaker 1: were just like pumping out more and more Halloween things
Speaker 1: that were like the inflatable giant black cats all of
Speaker 1: a sudden, and then those things that let you project
Speaker 1: on the house. There's just like an arms race for
Speaker 1: Halloween stuff, and there was more and more of it,
Speaker 1: and then it hit this like cliff in the past
Speaker 1: couple of years, because everything's fucking depressing and scary and
Speaker 1: maybe people don't want to spend people maybe hop less
Speaker 1: money also to spend on Halloween garbage. So I felt
Speaker 1: like last year there was no Halloween decorating. Did you
Speaker 1: guys feel that way? I was like, so not tuned
Speaker 1: into Halloween last year, and now I feel like I
Speaker 1: missed out. It was there was a huge brew haha
Speaker 1: in my neighborhood about Halloween and trick or treating, where
Speaker 1: um neighbors were fighting over what was perceived to be
Speaker 1: a lack of commitment to decorating houses during Halloween and
Speaker 1: also a lack of commitment to children staying in their
Speaker 1: own neighborhoods to trick or treat. Yeah. Really brutal, gossipy,
Speaker 1: strange conversation, so weird. I just sat it out and
Speaker 1: read all those emails and was like, that's super crazy.
Speaker 1: That's like a Shirley Jackson story. It absolutely is. I'm
Speaker 1: always reporting from the weirdest neighborhood in the world to
Speaker 1: you guys. Apparently it's very plugged in. It was like
Speaker 1: for years, every year there would be some new innovation
Speaker 1: in Halloween decorating that I had never seen before, and
Speaker 1: then it stopped. It was like, we've reached the limit.
Speaker 1: There's nothing new. We have all these inflatables and projections
Speaker 1: and things like we've this is as far as it goes,
Speaker 1: and there's nothing new. Last year and then this year
Speaker 1: the Big Boy appeared, the Big Boy, the gin Boy,
Speaker 1: the Big Boy, and he has like light up scary eyes.
Speaker 1: It's just the most ominous thing I've ever seen. It's
Speaker 1: really scary, but it's so scary it becomes funny because
Speaker 1: it's like totally unsettling, and it just feels like we
Speaker 1: turned this corner into just plunging into the absurdity of
Speaker 1: now there there is something about it formally, like it's
Speaker 1: not an inflatable, it's not a thing that's like been
Speaker 1: painted onto something. It is literally a skeleton, a solid skeleton,
Speaker 1: and it's a fucking skeleton in a time when we're
Speaker 1: having a plague. It feels medieval to me, you know,
Speaker 1: at a time of like refrigerated body trucks, Like we
Speaker 1: are going to put giant skeletons out on our lawns
Speaker 1: just because let's go all the way. Uh. I don't know,
Speaker 1: it's funny because it's so incredibly impractical. And I think
Speaker 1: that with Halloween decorations. When Molly was talking about the
Speaker 1: lack of innovation, I think it's also just kind of
Speaker 1: I mean, at least in my neighborhood, you can feel
Speaker 1: when people are getting tired of putting in the effort,
Speaker 1: Like you can only do it so many years in
Speaker 1: a row. If you're doing it for like neighborhood kids
Speaker 1: or for your own kids. Eventually those kids are too
Speaker 1: old and you're not going to care. But you have
Speaker 1: to like stow all of that stuff for most of
Speaker 1: the year, three hundred sixty four days, no rules, Like
Speaker 1: we're living in crazy times. You can keep that out
Speaker 1: twelve foot you don't. I'm hoping that some of them
Speaker 1: stay up through Christmas and they just put Santa on
Speaker 1: the can you can you pose them? Like, no, you can't.
Speaker 1: I watched a video because I was very like, how
Speaker 1: do you get them to stand up? What are they
Speaker 1: mounted on? I wanted to know, So I watched an
Speaker 1: unboxing video made by these like two kids, like a
Speaker 1: couple of dudes that are like ten, you know, who
Speaker 1: are like get the box. They're so excited and then
Speaker 1: they unbox it and like show you how they build it.
Speaker 1: You have to build it, Yeah, you have to build it.
Speaker 1: It's twelve ft tall. It doesn't just stand up by itself,
Speaker 1: because it's sucking twelve feet are They all the bones
Speaker 1: and you put them together and it's so crazy. It's
Speaker 1: like there's a there's like a base, and you mount
Speaker 1: it to the base and then you put the feet
Speaker 1: on and you build it upwards. And these kids, I think,
Speaker 1: had to stand on something to get to the top.
Speaker 1: This reminds me of this wood block, like one of
Speaker 1: my favorites, Japanese wood blocks. Ever, of the giant skeletons,
Speaker 1: like breaking down the walls and terrifying. Yes, and there's
Speaker 1: something about a giant thing. I've just also been watching
Speaker 1: all these theme park videos and I watched a bunch
Speaker 1: about Kong Frontation, which was a King Kong ride at
Speaker 1: Universal that had a giant King Kong animatronic. And it
Speaker 1: looks just very terrifying and amazing to me because it's
Speaker 1: like the scale of it is so big. You know,
Speaker 1: there's something about just like taking the scale of something
Speaker 1: and making it big. And again, the skeletons are like
Speaker 1: it felt like for a few years people didn't want
Speaker 1: to be reminded of how bad things were of death
Speaker 1: and kind of felt like Halloween, you know, amped down
Speaker 1: a little bit after maybe hitting this peak of just
Speaker 1: all the haunt stuff in l A especially too, And
Speaker 1: now it feels like it's good. It's like, yeah, we
Speaker 1: shouldn't be able to not think about death right now.
Speaker 1: To play Devil's Advocate, we can't not think about death.
Speaker 1: It's I there have been a lot of conflicting opinions
Speaker 1: um on social media about whether like Americans are having
Speaker 1: to confront the fact that they they don't think about
Speaker 1: death enough and now we're going to have to think
Speaker 1: about death more versus like just acknowledge. I feel like
Speaker 1: I think about death constantly. I'm never not thinking about death.
Speaker 1: But I don't know. I mean, just to play Devil's
Speaker 1: Advocate a giant twelve foot skeleton when you're having to
Speaker 1: talk to your kids and mask them up and being like,
Speaker 1: don't worry, everything's fine. There's just a disease that kills people,
Speaker 1: and then being like, happy Halloween. Here's some giant, terrifying skeletons,
Speaker 1: Like that might be a fun talk to have with
Speaker 1: my kids. I think, I think, you know, in general,
Speaker 1: I should say there's probably all sorts of different reactions
Speaker 1: to this, But I think one if things kind of
Speaker 1: if things managed to turn around and this isn't the
Speaker 1: last like fifteen years of human civilization or whatever, I
Speaker 1: think that the kids who are kids right now are
Speaker 1: gonna be better equipped to think about death and and
Speaker 1: life and death basically than that, certainly than we were,
Speaker 1: and I think probably most generations in like modern you know,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play Angels Advocate here. That's a nice thought. Okay,
Speaker 1: I'm going to play you know, chaotic Angel the Devil
Speaker 1: which advocate, which is what I always play in this podcast. Um,
Speaker 1: but don't I do think that, like each generation of
Speaker 1: children has its own thing like that. Like we grew
Speaker 1: up around the AIDS crisis, and so I was definitely
Speaker 1: very I felt like that kind of gives you this
Speaker 1: like dose of realism when you're a kid, you know,
Speaker 1: because they had how immediate was that for you? As
Speaker 1: I guess you guys were a little bit older. For me,
Speaker 1: it was I grew up in the West village, so
Speaker 1: that that was like constant. And also my parents worked
Speaker 1: in entertainment, so so many of their friends were you know,
Speaker 1: in fact in HIV and had partners ive AIDS, like
Speaker 1: when I remember being around eight years old or nine
Speaker 1: years old and just having it be like a constant
Speaker 1: thought for me. But I think this is different because
Speaker 1: children during the AIDS epidemic, most of them did not
Speaker 1: have to take too many precautions to like adapt their
Speaker 1: own lives. There was a lot of television I'm specifically
Speaker 1: thinking of. There was like a Sesame Streets segment. There
Speaker 1: were a lot of segments about there was a kid
Speaker 1: named Ryan White who was the first kid born infected
Speaker 1: with HIV, and he was on television a lot, just
Speaker 1: you know, to be educating people about the fact that
Speaker 1: like HIV can be passed and then also it's okay
Speaker 1: to like hang out with people who have HIV. That
Speaker 1: was a big part of it, was I remember this campaign. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and and there was a big thing where like Alissa
Speaker 1: Milano kissed him on I think the Phill Donni Hugh
Speaker 1: Show or something to like prove that like you can
Speaker 1: kiss somebody who has HIV and you can hold hands
Speaker 1: with them and you're not, you know, at risk of transmission.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I mean think about the difference between us
Speaker 1: experiencing the HIV and AIDS epidemic as children and how
Speaker 1: children now are interpreting, in particular the world outside their
Speaker 1: homes as being I just feel like they don't know
Speaker 1: anything else they do. I mean, it depends on your
Speaker 1: kid's age. I don't know. I definitely hope that at
Speaker 1: least uh some good comes out of this in terms
Speaker 1: of being able to recognize how people look after each other.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think maybe one of the only good
Speaker 1: things about being a kid and having to talk with
Speaker 1: your parents about why people are wearing masks, which two
Speaker 1: younger kids can look super scary, and to be able
Speaker 1: to have a conversation about how that's taking care of
Speaker 1: each other, and like kind of thinking beyond the visual
Speaker 1: of like you see someone, you don't recognize them, you
Speaker 1: can't see if they're smiling, And to just be able
Speaker 1: to be like, oh, that's in order to protect other people.
Speaker 1: That's like, you know, a community effort has been really
Speaker 1: great and productive. But I do I often worry because
Speaker 1: I'm I I have O c D and I can
Speaker 1: be a little obsessive about germophobic things, and as a
Speaker 1: kid that was definitely true as well. So I don't know,
Speaker 1: it could be an interesting Halloween if your kid is
Speaker 1: already a little freaked out. However, I'm still pro twelve
Speaker 1: foot skeleton. Well, that just starts a whole new conversation,
Speaker 1: you know. It's like the twelve foot skeletons just provide
Speaker 1: an opportunity to release some of the fear and stress
Speaker 1: and anxiety that's in the air for obvious reasons. It
Speaker 1: just feels it feels right for the year. Well, it's
Speaker 1: how like the best horror movie I think make you
Speaker 1: laugh more than they make you like scream or be
Speaker 1: genuinely scared. And I think there's something about the giggles
Speaker 1: that you get when you see these twelve foot skeletons
Speaker 1: that is very cathartic and very healthy. It's cathartic and
Speaker 1: it's not like there are other things that are way
Speaker 1: scarier to me than that. The thing I find the
Speaker 1: scariest is when somebody puts like a figurine in their window,
Speaker 1: like a human looking person, and it's not human, you know,
Speaker 1: like a mannequin, like an home alone. I find mannequin
Speaker 1: scarier than the twelve foot skeleton. Personally. I got a
Speaker 1: fuzzy styrofoam cat, a black cat that you're supposed to
Speaker 1: mount on a wall and uh if we've had it
Speaker 1: for many years and at one point it's styrofoam leg
Speaker 1: broke off and now it's a three legged Halloween cat.
Speaker 1: And for some reason that made me that I was like,
Speaker 1: now it's terrifying, anything terrified. It's just a handicapped cat.
Speaker 1: It's it's because the legs out at an angle. It's
Speaker 1: just people love those three legged dogs. They're like, oh,
Speaker 1: look he's so cute and brave. That could be, that
Speaker 1: could be. Yeah, well, we're going to take a quick
Speaker 1: break and when we come back, we're going to be
Speaker 1: joined by I guess this week's sayd we welcome back
Speaker 1: to Nightcall. We are now joined by Sadie did we
Speaker 1: a k A. Sad thirteen, which I just learned you
Speaker 1: actually say sad thirteen. Um. She's also the front woman
Speaker 1: of Speedy Ortiz and she's got a new album out
Speaker 1: called Haunted Painting, which obviously is right up our freaking alley. Hi, Sadie,
Speaker 1: nice to see you again. From the Hume distance, everybody,
Speaker 1: I just get like reminded of what everybody looks like
Speaker 1: when they're kind of like in work mode and at
Speaker 1: home over zoom, which is like when we shot the
Speaker 1: video a couple of years. Costume and makeup, well, it's
Speaker 1: like it's like that or ultimate, just like rolling into
Speaker 1: a studio at six in the morning, like you know,
Speaker 1: I haven't had your coffee yet type of thing. So
Speaker 1: it's the two extremes, but right in the middle. Today.
Speaker 1: I'm definitely on the rolled out of bedside today but
Speaker 1: nobody can see, which is great. Um so you have
Speaker 1: a new album. It's been out a couple of weeks now,
Speaker 1: two weeks today, two weeks. It's two weeks old. Happy birthday,
Speaker 1: Thank you. It was like a year. Why is time
Speaker 1: so messed up? Right now? I know, it's so crazy.
Speaker 1: I was I was going back and listening to it
Speaker 1: again and I was listening to um W t D,
Speaker 1: which I remember you put out. I couldn't tell you
Speaker 1: when you put that out, but I was like, that's
Speaker 1: on this album. I guess, like feels okay, what the hell? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean I love that song. And I was just like,
Speaker 1: this is great. I remember hearing this, you know, two
Speaker 1: years ago. It must have been two years ago, Like,
Speaker 1: um yeah, it's sort of wild how that works. It's
Speaker 1: it's definitely got to be weird. I think like really
Speaker 1: seen stuff for like building anticipation for something like an album.
Speaker 1: When time is meaningless, it's weird. And it's also, um
Speaker 1: so much more internet time than I'm used to. I
Speaker 1: think every time I've put out a record before, I'm
Speaker 1: either already on tour or I leave the next day
Speaker 1: and I'm not just looking at the computer all day
Speaker 1: long giving myself back pain from hunching over. Yeah, screen
Speaker 1: times are moving very fast, very slow. I think this
Speaker 1: is a universal quarantine experience. Did you have a tour
Speaker 1: set up for this album that you have to postpone?
Speaker 1: I had touring through like starting in March through pretty
Speaker 1: much the end of the year. Um, so who knows
Speaker 1: when that will happen again? Is kind of the general feeling.
Speaker 1: But what weird habits have you developed instead in Quarantine? Oh? No? Um,
Speaker 1: going right into the dark star? Well I had. I
Speaker 1: had a funny experience at the grocery store the other day.
Speaker 1: Have you ever had Who's Who's from New York? Besides
Speaker 1: Emily or I've spent a few years like as a kid,
Speaker 1: was there tests from New York? But she doesn't claim it.
Speaker 1: I don't like to claim it. I'm from New York too,
Speaker 1: so okay, okay, and don't live there anymore. Wait, but
Speaker 1: you also spend time in Connecticut, right, went to high
Speaker 1: school there? All right? I went to junior higher there.
Speaker 1: Oh where did you? Sharon? Oh weird? So yeah about
Speaker 1: Dudley Town too, probably oh I do? Oh my god. Okay,
Speaker 1: so we'll have to go there. I hope we're heading
Speaker 1: towards Stu Leonards again. That's just my Oh. I was
Speaker 1: just talking about stew Leonards because my my um a
Speaker 1: friend just moved to test you. Maybe now we're stuff
Speaker 1: pre Connecticut is you know? I know where It's not
Speaker 1: really but I went to see her at like a
Speaker 1: far away outdoor distance, and I was like, you're gonna
Speaker 1: go to Stu Leonards now that you're living this podcast
Speaker 1: goes deep New England. I like, it's like hieroglyphics in
Speaker 1: front of my eye, like that. Stue Leonards is a
Speaker 1: huge grocery store with so many animatronics. We've already kind
Speaker 1: of made Emily sit through a Stu Leonards explainer, but
Speaker 1: you can't really explain Stu Leonards. When I first got Instagram,
Speaker 1: I only posted animatronic videos for like the first two years.
Speaker 1: I had it, um, and I'm oh, my weird habit though,
Speaker 1: because I am just eating like a jar of ricks
Speaker 1: picks spicy pickled green beans like every single day and
Speaker 1: it is nauseating my partner who hates the smell of them. Um.
Speaker 1: But I go to the grocery They're like they really
Speaker 1: ten dollars. Go to the grocery store and I buy
Speaker 1: like six at a time, and the cashiers like pretty
Speaker 1: is good, and I responded, I don't know, but they're
Speaker 1: my hobby. It felt like a blue moment, right, metal health,
Speaker 1: But how is your stomach lighting? Like I would think
Speaker 1: all that app that's the only downside. That's what keeps
Speaker 1: me from eating all pickles all day. It's horrible. But
Speaker 1: I think I have ibs all the time, So I
Speaker 1: just don't know what's the difference. Just throw fuel on
Speaker 1: the fire, throw pickles on the fire. It's already gonna
Speaker 1: feel bad. Let's just make it all go faster. Good hobby, right,
Speaker 1: that's a great hobby. I mean it's all about Like
Speaker 1: we talked about this on a Bonus podcast where we
Speaker 1: had an entire episode about beverages. Like I feel like
Speaker 1: you can get completely invested just in like, what's a
Speaker 1: new beverage I'm into now? Like, what's a new thing
Speaker 1: I never thought of getting before the store And now
Speaker 1: this is like the height of entertainment. What's everyone's new beverage.
Speaker 1: I've been drinking this very expensive juice, so I like
Speaker 1: split it into thirds and mix it with seltzer um.
Speaker 1: That's I forget what the brand is, but it's sweet
Speaker 1: citrus and it's like it's pretending to be fresh squeezed,
Speaker 1: but I think it's cold pressed. But at some point
Speaker 1: I was having terrible allergies and I became convinced that
Speaker 1: this was like the cure um. But now it's it's
Speaker 1: awful because like I'll I'm like basically micro dosing this
Speaker 1: juice because it's like six dollars for a small bottle. Uh,
Speaker 1: So I'm making like shrubs with it. I'm trying to
Speaker 1: like stretch the juice. Sounds nice. That's like, that's that's
Speaker 1: like the good end of novelty beverage because you're also
Speaker 1: like making something out of it, exactly cooking. It's an
Speaker 1: activity and a thing that you're you're It's the best
Speaker 1: of all hobbies. Sadie. I noticed that in your merch store.
Speaker 1: You have hot sauce and hazelnut spread food and tea
Speaker 1: as well. Really what kind of tea it's called? It
Speaker 1: Haunted Breakfast, Scared Clothes in the Air, it's a it's
Speaker 1: a lap saying sung and a couple other like black
Speaker 1: teas that um, one of which was harvested under a
Speaker 1: blood moon. There's this really great teamaker in Philly, UM
Speaker 1: called craft Ty, and he supplies to all the local
Speaker 1: music venues and a couple of different cafes, and he
Speaker 1: started making teas to do as like pairings with records. UM.
Speaker 1: So I reached out to him and we put this
Speaker 1: together and he was like dropping off samples in my
Speaker 1: front door like once a week for a couple of points.
Speaker 1: I feel like a couple of months. UM, just tweaking
Speaker 1: the formula so I can say it's been thoroughly taste tested.
Speaker 1: It's really good, and I think it's sold out. So
Speaker 1: I don't know why I'm going in on that right now,
Speaker 1: but I have some personal tins maybe if you know
Speaker 1: V I P T tins Um. That sounds great. I
Speaker 1: mean I love I love edible tour merch or band
Speaker 1: merch that's I guess it doesn't really serve the purpose
Speaker 1: of like advertising my band in the way that like
Speaker 1: a T shirt or like a wearable merched. Know, it
Speaker 1: totally does, but I feel like people are more likely
Speaker 1: to share that on Instagram though. It's like, look, I
Speaker 1: have hazelnuts spread from my favorite musician question work. Cool. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it makes perfect sense. It's like you can't go to
Speaker 1: the show, so you sit at home and listen to
Speaker 1: the album and grew your cup of Haunted tea and
Speaker 1: something of nutella. Yeah, it's a lifestyle. Yeah. Yeah, We've
Speaker 1: wanted to do food merch in the past, but it's
Speaker 1: just not tenable when you're in a van for like
Speaker 1: three months going through all kinds of different climates. So
Speaker 1: as soon as this is honestly, as soon as like
Speaker 1: touring was canceled for the foreseeable future, like it's finally
Speaker 1: my time to do food stuff, that's amazing. Was the
Speaker 1: hot sauce also a similar like was it like a
Speaker 1: custom thing that you Yeah, it's they're speaking of Connecticut.
Speaker 1: I think they're from Willomantic. Um. Oh yeah, Dragon's Blood
Speaker 1: Alickser and we had talked like five years ago about
Speaker 1: doing a hot house together, but it was a similar
Speaker 1: deal that trying to carry glass on tours like a nightmare.
Speaker 1: So it's like literally the first piece of merge that
Speaker 1: that I planned out as soon as the quarantine happened.
Speaker 1: Can we talk about haunted paintings a little bit? Yeah,
Speaker 1: what you got? What haunted paintings were you thinking of
Speaker 1: when you were making this album? Was there anything in
Speaker 1: particular or just the idea? It was more the idea
Speaker 1: of a haunted painting UM And in fact, I think
Speaker 1: I looked up once I had the idea for the title,
Speaker 1: I did a bunch of googling, and I don't really
Speaker 1: like any of the like haunted painting meme stories that
Speaker 1: are going around. I don't know if you've investigated any
Speaker 1: of these. Is this like a genre? I didn't know.
Speaker 1: There's like two that UM have sold on E Day
Speaker 1: for like very high prices because they're theoretically haunted, and
Speaker 1: there was a whole disclaimer of like, we're not liable
Speaker 1: for you getting murdered if you buy this painting, UM,
Speaker 1: but they're not it is creepy or captivating. Is the
Speaker 1: one that I named this after, which is a friends
Speaker 1: stuck portrait of a dancer names to Harrett Um, who
Speaker 1: we painted a couple of times. But this is one
Speaker 1: on display at the the Fry Gallery in Seattle. Um
Speaker 1: and probably the whole reason I even thought to frame
Speaker 1: it is haunted. Not only is it surrounded by some
Speaker 1: of his other work that's like really creepy looking. Um
Speaker 1: the sin, I think is like one of his really
Speaker 1: famous ones that's like a big serpent round room. And
Speaker 1: I can't really look at that one. I can't look
Speaker 1: at snakes. But uh, it's a few blocks away from
Speaker 1: a hotel that I got put up in for a
Speaker 1: poetry festival in Seattle, and I was staying with um
Speaker 1: Darthy Alaski, who's a poet that's one of my favorites,
Speaker 1: and she is also really into ghostly and haunted things
Speaker 1: and has even like taught workshops on poetry and ghosts,
Speaker 1: and I think a lot of poets have that particular fixation.
Speaker 1: But the hotel is supposedly haunted by Alice by Tokalist,
Speaker 1: which doesn't make sense at all. What hotel is it?
Speaker 1: I lived in Seattle for a little bit. I can
Speaker 1: speak Seattle more than Connecticut. It's like Google right now,
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear all my typing, but I love the fry. Also,
Speaker 1: the fry is like, I don't know, it's like a
Speaker 1: very cool space. It feels really really like tucked away.
Speaker 1: You can't it doesn't feel like you're in the middle
Speaker 1: of town. It's the Sorrento Hotel. Do you know that?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's like apparently I used to live right
Speaker 1: next to it. So yeah, so apparently als b Tocls
Speaker 1: ghost did too. Um. Wow, I had no idea about that.
Speaker 1: That's wild. So we walked around the hotel all night
Speaker 1: trying to find like any ghosts and had zero luck. Um,
Speaker 1: even though Dottie was staying on like the apparently very
Speaker 1: haunted the floor. Uh. And I went to the museum
Speaker 1: the next day and was like, this painting is more
Speaker 1: haunted than this museum. And that's kind of how UM
Speaker 1: came to the title and concept. I'm looking at this
Speaker 1: the sin painting, It's like, this is a cursed painting.
Speaker 1: This is like something from like a seventies horror movie.
Speaker 1: It's so if you google friends on stock his work
Speaker 1: is just even the Saherent portraits not theoretically supposed to
Speaker 1: be creepy, but it just is. Aren't all paintings haunted
Speaker 1: if they're painted by a dead person. Interesting by I
Speaker 1: just mean, are isn't every painting in a museum haunted
Speaker 1: in a way? I think that's important. Like I think
Speaker 1: that in the poetic sense, a portrait, like if you've
Speaker 1: ever seen a portrait that you know, like, I think
Speaker 1: a lot of like John Singer Sergeant portraits feel like
Speaker 1: very animated and like kind of charged to me because
Speaker 1: I just think he was great at it. And I
Speaker 1: think there's like a weird sense of time travel when
Speaker 1: you're in a gallery with those portraits and you are
Speaker 1: really confronting the fact that these people were all living once,
Speaker 1: and like because this artist was particularly good at capturing
Speaker 1: like a light in their eyes or something like that,
Speaker 1: it really feels like they're right there with you. And
Speaker 1: that can be a bit of an uncanny feel. I mean,
Speaker 1: that feels more or less functionally like it's haunted. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, I don't know, I don't know the the
Speaker 1: the the rules though for haunt all accept I'll accept
Speaker 1: this haunted for this reason. It's I mean, it's a
Speaker 1: very natural human urge right to like, you know, capture
Speaker 1: somebody in time or whatever. But it's also like it
Speaker 1: feels almost like you're vending the laws of time. Now
Speaker 1: I'm getting into the all jokes or time travel type,
Speaker 1: all jokes of time travel. I've caught the but it's real. Uh,
Speaker 1: paintings are time travel. I think also a lot of portraiture,
Speaker 1: especially like a lot of its commissioned by like super
Speaker 1: wealthy people, right who only want to be portrayed in
Speaker 1: a very flattering way, in the same way with you know, photography. Now,
Speaker 1: um so, I think to see the friends on stuck
Speaker 1: paintings that in some ways they're kind of not flattering.
Speaker 1: Like the portrait that I was really captivated by, um
Speaker 1: Harrot's under circles are really exaggerated, her eyes and just
Speaker 1: kind of enlarged in a way that it honestly reminds
Speaker 1: me of like um jump scare face in a way.
Speaker 1: It's like beautiful portrait and a jump scare. Um So,
Speaker 1: I think I'm really interested in paintings that do that,
Speaker 1: um yeah for their portrait. I have a weird a
Speaker 1: print that is gigantic that I was given for, like
Speaker 1: I think it was probably around the time I graduate
Speaker 1: ated from college. It's um, this guy Alex Colville, who
Speaker 1: is a Canadian magic realist and it's a woman staring.
Speaker 1: She's on a boat and she has binoculars and she's
Speaker 1: like staring out um. But it's it's such a huge
Speaker 1: print and I didn't know where to put it when
Speaker 1: we moved, so it's in the bedroom and like I
Speaker 1: just every so often my kids are like, can you
Speaker 1: cover that or because she's just like staring and then
Speaker 1: it like faces a mirror, so she's like staring at
Speaker 1: herself and it's like bouncing back. And at some point, uh,
Speaker 1: one of my kids was like, does that ever give
Speaker 1: you the creeps that there's like a giant head staring
Speaker 1: at you with binoculars? And I was like, yeah, it
Speaker 1: maybe I like that, Like maybe it's good. But I
Speaker 1: also feel like the bigger the painting and the bigger
Speaker 1: the portrait that they can definitely get some kind of
Speaker 1: like a haunted quality because it's so like dominating and
Speaker 1: it feels like it kind of just takes over the vibe.
Speaker 1: You just made me realize. My bedroom is full of
Speaker 1: paintings because my boyfriend is a painter. Some of them
Speaker 1: are a little haunted looking, but I also find them
Speaker 1: uh comforting and cozy. It's like you have friends around,
Speaker 1: they're staring at you, and at least right exactly he
Speaker 1: made them, he can put them back in. It's my test.
Speaker 1: That just reminded me that, um my dad had an
Speaker 1: Elvis bus when I was growing up that was in
Speaker 1: the hallway like outside of my bedroom, and I could
Speaker 1: see it while I was sleeping and instantly wake up
Speaker 1: like terrified of the Elvis bus. Oh my god, that's
Speaker 1: would stop. That's a liability. That's so spooky. You know
Speaker 1: Elvis's ghost is in all of those busts. Yeah, every
Speaker 1: single portrait of Elvis is haunted. I think we can say,
Speaker 1: um yeah, um so you also, uh you You're The
Speaker 1: haunting aspect of your album was not limited to its
Speaker 1: inspiration in this painting. You also mixed the of them
Speaker 1: at a haunted studio. Where was this and why is
Speaker 1: it haunted? And how Emily and I were doing a
Speaker 1: little text prep prior to this taping. I was like,
Speaker 1: I feel like you've tread over all my haunted stories
Speaker 1: on other podcasts on this album, which is great. I'm
Speaker 1: happy that I'm finally getting to talk about ghosts on
Speaker 1: an album, Psycho, but I have not talked about Sonic
Speaker 1: Ranch which is where we mixed this album. UM. It's
Speaker 1: in Tornado, Texas, recently famous for ice crimes against humanity. UM.
Speaker 1: But it is the largest residential recording studio in the world. UH.
Speaker 1: And it is on Pecan ranch that was in the
Speaker 1: guy who runs it family for forever UM. So it's
Speaker 1: still active with pecans. He sends them out to like
Speaker 1: people who record at the studio every year for Christmas.
Speaker 1: They're very delicious. UM. And apparently I didn't know this
Speaker 1: when we all to mix there. I had just UM
Speaker 1: toward it a couple of times. I feel like there's
Speaker 1: some long stretch you do on every tour that is
Speaker 1: between like Arizona. I feel like you play Phoenix and
Speaker 1: then you play Austin and that's like a horrifying drive
Speaker 1: in between, and you I just didn't you did it,
Speaker 1: so you know exactly. Yeah, I saw that. You were
Speaker 1: like you texted me at some point. You were like,
Speaker 1: I'm so jealous of your road trip, and I was like,
Speaker 1: You've probably done this so many more times than I have. Jesus,
Speaker 1: so I've I've been able to tour that studio while
Speaker 1: passing between Phoenix and Austin. UM. And I think I'd
Speaker 1: even stayed there before, or at least we've had dinner there. Um.
Speaker 1: And because it's residential, people are there for long stretches
Speaker 1: of time. They have like like cooks on staff who
Speaker 1: make perhaps the best salsa I've ever had in my life,
Speaker 1: really really good breakfast tacos every day. I'm really good.
Speaker 1: It's it's kind of heaven until I tell you about
Speaker 1: the hellish aspects. I could not record vocals there ever,
Speaker 1: because I would just have acid reflux from eating too much,
Speaker 1: like really spicy sauce every day. So it's good that
Speaker 1: we mixed. Um. So I've stayed there. It's like amazing,
Speaker 1: so much cool equipment. Tony, who owns the studio is
Speaker 1: an art collector, so there's like Picasso and Dega prints
Speaker 1: and like every studio and even residents. Um. So we
Speaker 1: got there on the first day and we're told the
Speaker 1: rooms you're supposed to stay in aren't ready, like one
Speaker 1: of the bands that's also tracking is staying a little later,
Speaker 1: but you can move to the room you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be in the next night. So Sarah, who makes the album,
Speaker 1: and I were like, Okay, we'll stay in this. Like
Speaker 1: it's like a newer built bedroom that's right off the kitchen,
Speaker 1: and we're like, it's not as like fancy as the
Speaker 1: old casita rooms, but like fine, we'll stay here. We're
Speaker 1: fine with whatever. Only the next day we find out
Speaker 1: that pretty much every other room has like some kind
Speaker 1: of verifying haunting story, whether it's someone waking up and
Speaker 1: seeing a man sitting in the corner just like watching
Speaker 1: them sleep. Um, there are stories of a bed hovering.
Speaker 1: There are stories of like a little girl floating above
Speaker 1: you while you sleep. So and then there's the one
Speaker 1: we were supposed to be in. There's like, uh, one
Speaker 1: of the engineers we were working with was like, that's
Speaker 1: my favorite room. But also there's like a presence that's
Speaker 1: there all the time. Um, and yeah, so we wind
Speaker 1: up not switching our rooms, you wanted to say, and
Speaker 1: like the newly built one that surely wasn't haunted. I'm
Speaker 1: totally into haunted things in like a situation I can control.
Speaker 1: I just don't want to wake up and see a
Speaker 1: guy floating above me sharing it you while you sleep,
Speaker 1: or lose sleep worrying about it when you're supposed to
Speaker 1: be like working and being at top like mental state
Speaker 1: or whatever. We were working already really really long hours,
Speaker 1: like he pulled it more than one all night, or
Speaker 1: I just didn't want to deal with the floating guy.
Speaker 1: But maybe if I go record there it would be
Speaker 1: a nice inspiring and the other fun fact I told
Speaker 1: Emily about the studio when I first went through, and
Speaker 1: meant the guy who owns it um. I was like,
Speaker 1: it's so weird, like he really reminds me of David
Speaker 1: Carradine for some reason. And I said this, and then
Speaker 1: like maybe a year later, found out that apparently, Um
Speaker 1: Tarantino would like pass through this studio. Tony seems to
Speaker 1: know like everybody, he's just a El Paso legend. Um,
Speaker 1: he's like Buddies with Zazi Top and Billy Gibbons comes
Speaker 1: to the studio all the time. So I had said
Speaker 1: this a year before and then found out that apparently
Speaker 1: Bill from Kill Bill is based on Tony was in
Speaker 1: part inspired by him. I sent you, you guys, the
Speaker 1: link to the picture of him, but it's like very
Speaker 1: apparent when you say this picture. If you google him,
Speaker 1: you'll see all kinds of pictures like what was Tarantino
Speaker 1: doing there? Just hanging out and having the salsa and
Speaker 1: the cons Like, so Tony seems to know everybody. He's
Speaker 1: like a really lovely person who has all kinds of
Speaker 1: incredible like stories that it's not always clear if they're
Speaker 1: completely true about um like warez cartel activity. Uh. He
Speaker 1: told us a very fun story about hand soup. Was
Speaker 1: just someone a faster once so hand he's a soup
Speaker 1: made from a hand, soup made from human hands. What wow,
Speaker 1: pardon I just watched Texas Chainsaw Massacre, so this completely
Speaker 1: tracks right. No, Like my has not flinched and listening,
Speaker 1: She's like, yeah, that's Texas. You know they make hand
Speaker 1: stoop down there. It's a true story, it said at
Speaker 1: the beginning of the movie. It's like hand soap, but
Speaker 1: handspe That's incredible. I see this all, even the ghost stuff,
Speaker 1: even the spooky stuff, even the presence of Quentin Tarantino.
Speaker 1: This all sounds kind of like right now. My latest
Speaker 1: Quarantine era dream is to have like a home studio
Speaker 1: or have like a residential studio, Like I want to
Speaker 1: like buy a farmhouse in Iowa and let people come
Speaker 1: through and like finished movies in it. This is the
Speaker 1: first time I've spoken this publicly, but like I'm gonna.
Speaker 1: I'm putting it out into the universe manifest once again.
Speaker 1: I'm saying Texas chain saw massacre, be very careful with
Speaker 1: those old farmhouses. We don't have um so many cannibals
Speaker 1: in Iowa, but we have children of the corner rightly,
Speaker 1: the fun reason why it will not fun. But um,
Speaker 1: there's a couple of different like of course, once I
Speaker 1: heard that this is faunt and I'm going on all
Speaker 1: the weird like forums that look like they're from reporting
Speaker 1: every ghost sighting in Tornado, Texas. Um, there's apparently a
Speaker 1: little girl by the little little ghostly girl by the
Speaker 1: train tracks. Um, there's there's a few outside of Sonic
Speaker 1: Branch itself, but it's quite it's quite literally the border
Speaker 1: like you could walk and be in Mexico quite easily. UM.
Speaker 1: And apparently some of the buildings on site at this studio,
Speaker 1: which is like pretty large, you have to there's like
Speaker 1: trucks and stuff on site that you have to drive
Speaker 1: to get around to some of the different studios. So
Speaker 1: they've made use of some really old buildings and some
Speaker 1: of them were apparently used um as like a holding
Speaker 1: self for people um crossing the border. So there's like
Speaker 1: probably some messed up stuff that happened prior to it
Speaker 1: becoming this farm. Um, which maybe explains like, yeah, it's
Speaker 1: a travel bad energy. They're in the corner. Yeah, so
Speaker 1: there's apparently good and bad ghosts there. But I didn't
Speaker 1: get to I didn't get to meet any boy choice.
Speaker 1: So um, well let's we wanted to take a night
Speaker 1: call with you. It's also a night email when you
Speaker 1: guys want to read it. Yeah, this comes from London
Speaker 1: Eddie High Night Call Crew. Longtime listener, first time email
Speaker 1: or a big fan of the pod Heavy podcast. I
Speaker 1: went to an isolation pod for my twenty one birthday
Speaker 1: on a whim, decided to ignore any skeptical thoughts and
Speaker 1: figuratively dived into the experience. During the hour long float,
Speaker 1: I achieved more of a genuine meditational feeling than I
Speaker 1: had ever gotten from traditional methods. I spent the following
Speaker 1: three hours feeling the same floaty feeling across my entire
Speaker 1: body slash consciousness. The feeling only started to wane after
Speaker 1: I'd been in the cinema for a while and the
Speaker 1: crazy third act of Sorry to Bother You came crashing down.
Speaker 1: Interestingly enough, the isolation center was in the middle of
Speaker 1: London's Central business district. By the look of the other customers,
Speaker 1: it seemed like high powered execs have swapped their weekly
Speaker 1: squash court lunches for hour long isolation sessions. I wish
Speaker 1: I'd stayed to ask one if it helps to escape
Speaker 1: or if it helps them visualize. I can't decide if
Speaker 1: it's like a real I also misread this email the
Speaker 1: first time, and I thought that while he was in
Speaker 1: the chamber a while, he was in his meditative state,
Speaker 1: like he had a flashback to the third act of
Speaker 1: Sorry to Bother You. I thought he was using a
Speaker 1: using it as a metaphor, and I was like, I
Speaker 1: wonder what he means by I think right to the movies,
Speaker 1: and he saw Sorry to Bother You, which seems like
Speaker 1: a crazy thing to do after being in an isolation pod.
Speaker 1: That's like a lot of movie. Um, but I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was coming in the third yeah for us,
Speaker 1: so maybe you know, he thought it'd be like it
Speaker 1: brought everybody down. Um yeah, that's uh. I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what have you ead in an isolation pod or
Speaker 1: anything like that? Sadie absolutely not even here. The At first,
Speaker 1: I was like, what is isolation pod? I thought it
Speaker 1: was like an escape room, and then when you say
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, it's a float tank. Even hearing
Speaker 1: that expression at my heart rate. Are you claustrophobic or
Speaker 1: is it just like I just have a hyperactive brain
Speaker 1: that would not be able to cope. See, I wonder
Speaker 1: because I always I feel like that too. And apparently
Speaker 1: though when you have zero, like I think, maybe for
Speaker 1: the first few minutes, you're kind of like your mind
Speaker 1: is racing and this is what I've heard. But then
Speaker 1: for some reason, the absolute lack of stimuli makes you
Speaker 1: calm down. I'm very I want I would like to
Speaker 1: experience that. I would also like to have a panic
Speaker 1: button on hand. I think you think, yeah, I feel
Speaker 1: like I'd be so like bored and then stressed about that,
Speaker 1: and then angry that I put myself in the situation
Speaker 1: to be bored and stressed and angry. I would think
Speaker 1: it would be like meditation, though it's like you don't
Speaker 1: do all that. Yeah, even if I'm like on a treadmill,
Speaker 1: I have to be like listening to something and also
Speaker 1: reading on the you know, yeah, I have. I managed
Speaker 1: to actually meditate for probably like three minutes or something
Speaker 1: for the first time I think in my life. When
Speaker 1: I was in Iowa recently, uh, and I you know,
Speaker 1: that was encouraging to me. I was like, oh, maybe
Speaker 1: I can do this more. But I was always fairly
Speaker 1: convinced and still fairly convinced that it's just not a
Speaker 1: thing I do naturally too many synapsis. I'm sure it'd
Speaker 1: be good if I could get to that point, but
Speaker 1: not yet. Definitely. No. Well, what kind of are there
Speaker 1: any kind of like holistic e or new age things
Speaker 1: like isolation tanks that you would ever consider exploring? I mean,
Speaker 1: I do all kinds of hippie ship. Um. What's the
Speaker 1: best hippie ship? I guess you know. I get acupuncture, um,
Speaker 1: which in some ways is you know that's that's just medicine. Well,
Speaker 1: a lot of that stuff is stuffy. You just can't
Speaker 1: do now. I mean, the isolation pod is probably like
Speaker 1: one of the safe things you could do because it's
Speaker 1: literally an isolation pod. But you know, when I was
Speaker 1: in Vegas, uh, I was like walking through the like
Speaker 1: one of these like malls that connects the two casinos,
Speaker 1: and they had a bunch of those aqua massage tables
Speaker 1: out um, you know, like the tube where the water
Speaker 1: punnel pummels people. It's basically you get put into a
Speaker 1: rubber bag and then like jets of water like massage you.
Speaker 1: So you don't get wet obviously, but it's very disturbing
Speaker 1: to watch because it just looks like a body in
Speaker 1: a body bag getting washed with water. Um and it.
Speaker 1: But it sounds like getting eaten by a water bed,
Speaker 1: like it just wrapped in a water bed. I'm never
Speaker 1: sort of the idea, but I was also like, sounds
Speaker 1: nice though I think it's probably feels really good. And
Speaker 1: I was also like, oh, this makes a lot of sense,
Speaker 1: I mean, aside from like being in a mall. But
Speaker 1: like you know, massages are sort of hard to come
Speaker 1: by if that's something that you're getting regularly, or like
Speaker 1: you know, something that you know your your muscles need
Speaker 1: or whatever, like you can get pummeled by some water
Speaker 1: instead of human hands. The machines will do all the work.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna put I guess I'm putting my mom
Speaker 1: on blast a little bit here. I'm gonna tease my mom.
Speaker 1: Uh sorry mom. She um Before all this, she has
Speaker 1: a gym membership in Connecticut. And U she'll go on
Speaker 1: the elliptical. She just fifteen minutes on the elliptical. Uh,
Speaker 1: like you've been a very casual pace. And then she
Speaker 1: goes there's like a water bed massage thing um at
Speaker 1: the gym, and she'll go for like forty five minutes.
Speaker 1: So I'm pretty sure she only has the gym membership
Speaker 1: to use the like massage machines. That's that's legit, especially
Speaker 1: in the before times. If you could get a gym
Speaker 1: with the steam room in it, like that's the word,
Speaker 1: that's worthsome membership. I miss I missed my gym. I
Speaker 1: missed my weird steam room at the Glendale y m C.
Speaker 1: I was gonna say, I'm Hollywood why over here? The
Speaker 1: Glendale y was actively haunted, and that was part of
Speaker 1: what I loved about. It had an empty hot tub
Speaker 1: that had just lights flickering on it all the time,
Speaker 1: like a David Lynch. Holes and hot tubs and steam
Speaker 1: rooms are just haunted. Yeah, haunted hot tub is our vibe.
Speaker 1: A lot of the y m c A s out
Speaker 1: here feel haunted because the Hollywood one is very haunted feeling.
Speaker 1: It's it's like a labyrinth and it's all of these
Speaker 1: like very strange old buildings with like like Spanish style
Speaker 1: building right, yeah, yeah, and it has like a lot
Speaker 1: of like courtyards with kind of you know, all of
Speaker 1: these like multi story buildings around it, so you see
Speaker 1: like the little faces in the window when you're standing
Speaker 1: in the courtyard. I thought it was haunted. My daughter
Speaker 1: did ballet and it felt very That room was especially
Speaker 1: like had a vibe, had a cool breeze. You sound nice.
Speaker 1: I'm wishing I lived outside of Philly, where our wise
Speaker 1: not nearly hopefully. Well, before we let you go, I
Speaker 1: wanted to talk a little bit because I realized it
Speaker 1: have been like a year since you were part of
Speaker 1: this no Music for Ice campaign, which is really awesome
Speaker 1: and it's still active apparently. But this was kind of
Speaker 1: happening in around the the Amazon Music festival that happened
Speaker 1: like in last December, which I recently saw like a
Speaker 1: a billboard for that was still up because you know,
Speaker 1: like no billboards are getting turned over. So I actually
Speaker 1: saw like a billboard for the They have so much
Speaker 1: money they probably just forgot to stop paying for it. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: they'll still be advertising this this music festival from December,
Speaker 1: but apparently it was a massive flop and had almost
Speaker 1: no attendance. They had to like give away a bunch
Speaker 1: of tickets. Yeah, I heard that they were just like
Speaker 1: giving out tickets, are are like deeply discounting them. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and it was it was this thing where
Speaker 1: I mean I was kind of surprised that there wasn't
Speaker 1: more of a at large, um rejection of that, Like
Speaker 1: there were so many people who are like, oh cool, yeah,
Speaker 1: Amazon's and the music festival business now instead of just
Speaker 1: sort of like, I don't know, it just felt like
Speaker 1: such a off tone thing to do, especially with how
Speaker 1: much their involvement with Ice had been in the news recently.
Speaker 1: It's like, really, you're going to go like do the
Speaker 1: Halliburton Music Festival like it just I don't know that.
Speaker 1: But I was really I really appreciated your, uh, your involvement,
Speaker 1: like you know how vocal you were around that. Um. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it was a cool Um. It was a cool thing
Speaker 1: to be a part of. And it was amazing to
Speaker 1: see how many people pretty instantly signed onto it. I
Speaker 1: think we announced it and had about a thousand musicians
Speaker 1: sign on like within the we Neilson on the Friday
Speaker 1: and by Monday they were over a thousand signatures of
Speaker 1: just a lot of musicians who pledged not to do
Speaker 1: collaborative projects with Amazon um until they ended there. The
Speaker 1: it's such a complicated net of like subsidiaries, but basically
Speaker 1: Amazon technology powers not only the infrastructure that ICE uses
Speaker 1: to track and deport people, but also a lot of
Speaker 1: police departments used for like facial recognition stuff like that.
Speaker 1: Just so a lot of like messed up surveillance, all
Speaker 1: that paleer stuff. Yeah, exactly, Yeah, as I said, web
Speaker 1: of company names. Um So, we did that project, and
Speaker 1: it was kind of funny, like I was working on
Speaker 1: this record while we launched that. It was a really
Speaker 1: small group of people who started it, like maybe six
Speaker 1: of us. Um So, I was tracking on the painting
Speaker 1: when we launched, and I was in the studio doing
Speaker 1: like strings and woodwind stuff for the first time in
Speaker 1: my life, working like long studio days, and then immediately
Speaker 1: getting on my email to like send out to press
Speaker 1: about what was going on, and then waking up the
Speaker 1: next morning, like four hours before studio time to like
Speaker 1: continue to send press emails and spawned to them. Um So,
Speaker 1: it was a very like kind of intense project to
Speaker 1: take on in the middle of like a very intense
Speaker 1: recording project, even like UM when the festival was happening,
Speaker 1: we were trying to coordinate. We were able to get
Speaker 1: a bunch of the No Music for Ice t shirts
Speaker 1: on the ground to to festival attendees and sort of
Speaker 1: explained to them, like why this is a problem. UM.
Speaker 1: And that was all going on while I was at
Speaker 1: Sonic Ranch. So I taped like a local news segment,
Speaker 1: actually weirdly over stipe, like before the quarantine started. I
Speaker 1: hadn't done something like that before. UM. I taped like
Speaker 1: a Vegas news segment while I was mixing, like I
Speaker 1: gotta go outside one second, just to talk about why
Speaker 1: no one should be at this festival. And for the
Speaker 1: most part, media didn't cover it. They didn't touch it.
Speaker 1: We were leading the list of press names and it
Speaker 1: was all like I'm the cannabis reporter for a college
Speaker 1: and like Reno UM. So it was it was funny
Speaker 1: to see it basically flopped. But a lot of the
Speaker 1: people who are involved with No Music Ice has kind
Speaker 1: of moved over to this Union of Musicians and Allied
Speaker 1: Workers which launched in March UM and we're sort of
Speaker 1: involved in a number of different projects that are not
Speaker 1: only like trying to secure more ethical pay and treatment
Speaker 1: for for music workers, but also um making clear our
Speaker 1: stances on human rights abuses like this and why musicians
Speaker 1: shouldn't collaborate with companies who choose to engage in them.
Speaker 1: So it's been it's been a nice group to be
Speaker 1: part of, and I'm really psyched on a lot of
Speaker 1: the projects that we're working on. That's awesome. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I I don't really know the ins and outs
Speaker 1: of all this stuff and how people are getting paid.
Speaker 1: I mean, one thing I was hearing from musicians was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, well, Amazon's platform like Amazon Music, not
Speaker 1: necessarily I don't know about the streaming platform, but like
Speaker 1: it's one of the lower paid. Uh, it's one of
Speaker 1: the lower pays per like streamer or sale of any
Speaker 1: of the online music retailers, but pretty abysmal, like for
Speaker 1: sales you m m, they take one of the highest cuts. Wow,
Speaker 1: I mean that's not surprising. I know, more books and
Speaker 1: movies and yeah, you know their a monopoly. Yeah, it's
Speaker 1: it's one of these things where it's just like that.
Speaker 1: That's actually like kind of my biggest guilt point not Amazon.
Speaker 1: I've basically removed Amazon from my life, but like Spotify
Speaker 1: and all these other all the other streaming platforms and stuff,
Speaker 1: it's just really I mean, I use it too, But
Speaker 1: I also recognized that they could absolutely afford to pay
Speaker 1: people a fair rate per stream and have chosen you too.
Speaker 1: And I'm glad that a lot of people are starting
Speaker 1: to talk about that. And I'm glad that. Um there's
Speaker 1: a whole streaming subcommittee in in the Union that I'm
Speaker 1: not part of. I work with the Venues UM Corner,
Speaker 1: which is about basically trying to to make venues more
Speaker 1: safe for patrons, workers, musicians, etcetera, UM, and a couple
Speaker 1: other points. But the streaming of people have been really
Speaker 1: really working on a campaign to basically request hire rates
Speaker 1: for for the musicians such are part of the platform.
Speaker 1: The other thing that the streaming services don't do is
Speaker 1: like credits. So, um, there's all kinds of things they
Speaker 1: could do to improve how people get paid from from
Speaker 1: every part of the record and they have not done that.
Speaker 1: It seems so crucial now too, because it's just like, oh,
Speaker 1: you cut out to any way we're making any money. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you have you done any like live stream shows or
Speaker 1: zoom shows. I've mostly been avoiding it because I don't
Speaker 1: even before this, I hate to play solo. It's just
Speaker 1: like not fun for me. And there's now the component
Speaker 1: where you have to like film and record yourself, so
Speaker 1: I not only have to like produce a video, but
Speaker 1: I have to like engineer and mix the song of
Speaker 1: something I don't even like doing. So I've mostly been
Speaker 1: saying no. But I did just do a big project
Speaker 1: um that it took me like a week to get done,
Speaker 1: where I did a full band set. It was hell,
Speaker 1: but it's done, and maybe now that I know how
Speaker 1: to do it, I'll subject myself to it again. It
Speaker 1: just like like aside from the work of on the
Speaker 1: musician side of like making your your perform making your
Speaker 1: performance or whatever is, it's just like it isn't the
Speaker 1: whole point of live stuff that you're getting. You know,
Speaker 1: you're there's an exchange of energy between. It's a very
Speaker 1: dry and weird but yeah, I mean this was fun
Speaker 1: because I got to at least play with my bandmates
Speaker 1: just like you know, removed in time and space. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Oh um, well, thank you so much for coming by
Speaker 1: the show this. Yeah, I'm so glad we finally had
Speaker 1: you on uh, and everybody check out Haunted Painting. It's
Speaker 1: really great, Like it's just genuine like there's so many
Speaker 1: earworms in this album. It's just fantastic. Thank you. I
Speaker 1: wish we'd got to do a video on it, but
Speaker 1: I know I know next one. Yeah, you got like
Speaker 1: we didn't even get into it. But you've been like
Speaker 1: one of the most innovative music video like making people
Speaker 1: right now too. It's like you really got over that
Speaker 1: that COVID production ups. Look about they all took so
Speaker 1: much longer than any music video I've done. Just yeah,
Speaker 1: but no, it's like such a it paid off because
Speaker 1: you're just like, how did you do that? It's so great? Uh?
Speaker 1: And we put a song from your album on the
Speaker 1: October Nightcall mix. Yeah, spooky Halloween times. So Sadie, where
Speaker 1: can people find you online? Well? I have the best
Speaker 1: U r L you can imagine. It's SAD thirteen, which
Speaker 1: is spelled s A D one three dot horse What
Speaker 1: it's dot horse. I didn't even know that there was
Speaker 1: dot horse, but as soon as I knew, I was like,
Speaker 1: I can't be sad third team dot com anymore. Um
Speaker 1: and forwards. Um, I'm extremely overactive on all the social
Speaker 1: media of platforms. Also at You're great. You're great on
Speaker 1: Twitter great, follow you are, thank you, thank you, as
Speaker 1: are you well. Thanks so much for being on the show. Yeah,
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