1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:02,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the Best of the Herd podcast. 2 00:00:02,759 --> 00:00:05,120 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch us live every weekday on Fox 3 00:00:05,120 --> 00:00:08,319 Speaker 1: Sports Radio in noon to three Eastern nine am to 4 00:00:08,400 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: noon Pacific. Find your local station for the Herd at 5 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:14,680 Speaker 1: Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream us live every 6 00:00:14,760 --> 00:00:17,799 Speaker 1: day on the iHeartRadio app by searching Fox Sports Radio 7 00:00:17,960 --> 00:00:18,720 Speaker 1: or FSR. 8 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:22,680 Speaker 2: This is the Best of the Herd with Colin cowher 9 00:00:23,040 --> 00:00:25,800 Speaker 2: on Fox Sports Radio. 10 00:00:28,040 --> 00:00:31,880 Speaker 1: Oh, it is a Wednesday. There is a lot to 11 00:00:32,040 --> 00:00:37,839 Speaker 1: talk about. We've got ourselves a real world series. Michael 12 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:44,199 Speaker 1: Jordan hammering current NBA stars, The Steelers are officially broken, 13 00:00:44,280 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: and the Chiefs have fixed all their problems. Again, it 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:52,479 Speaker 1: is Wednesday. This is the Herd in Chicago. Wherever you 15 00:00:52,560 --> 00:00:55,560 Speaker 1: may be and however you may be listening. Thanks for 16 00:00:55,600 --> 00:01:01,720 Speaker 1: making us part of your day, well, Jmac. I like 17 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:03,720 Speaker 1: the Dodgers in six and one of the reasons we 18 00:01:03,760 --> 00:01:06,240 Speaker 1: said we like the Dodgers in a long series is 19 00:01:06,880 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 1: Toronto gets bat on ball, so they got a lot 20 00:01:09,760 --> 00:01:12,080 Speaker 1: of power hitters. Their guys are all hitting and the 21 00:01:12,120 --> 00:01:16,399 Speaker 1: Dodgers guys are not. And last night was another example, 22 00:01:16,640 --> 00:01:20,280 Speaker 1: so we said, going in the Toronto Blue Jays, gut 23 00:01:20,600 --> 00:01:23,440 Speaker 1: check win for them. That's why they're in the World Series. 24 00:01:23,880 --> 00:01:25,800 Speaker 1: We didn't know if they were going to be on fumes. 25 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,600 Speaker 1: They are a big inning team. Nine times in the 26 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:33,839 Speaker 1: playoffs they've scored four or more runs in an inning. 27 00:01:33,920 --> 00:01:37,160 Speaker 1: That's three times more than the Dodgers. And they dropped 28 00:01:37,160 --> 00:01:40,840 Speaker 1: a four spot in the seventh inning. So oh Tani 29 00:01:41,000 --> 00:01:43,520 Speaker 1: was fine. He made in the first couple of innings. 30 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:48,240 Speaker 1: Shoe Hey Otani made Toronto batters look really bad. He 31 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 1: mostly had his stuff. Shoe Hey was sharp six innings, 32 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,760 Speaker 1: gave up six hits. He was fine. Now Vlad Guerrero, 33 00:01:57,320 --> 00:02:01,120 Speaker 1: and you know this is gonna happen. Vlad Guerrero was 34 00:02:01,160 --> 00:02:03,040 Speaker 1: eventually going to break out of it, and he did. 35 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:06,800 Speaker 1: Vlad's hitting four nineteen in the playoffs. So when you 36 00:02:06,920 --> 00:02:10,320 Speaker 1: hang one up near his belt, he's gonna do that 37 00:02:10,960 --> 00:02:14,200 Speaker 1: and park it at Dodger Stadium. But here's a Dodger dilemma. 38 00:02:15,040 --> 00:02:18,360 Speaker 1: There are six players in the World Series that are 39 00:02:18,639 --> 00:02:23,320 Speaker 1: hitting three hundred or better, six five or Blue Jays, 40 00:02:23,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 1: Addison Barger hitting four to twenty nine, Vlad hitting four, Bobashett, 41 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:33,520 Speaker 1: Alejandro Kirk, Ernie Clement. I mean, there's Sho Hao Tani's 42 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:37,000 Speaker 1: mixed in there, but it is a real problem right now. 43 00:02:37,040 --> 00:02:40,560 Speaker 1: Toronto gets bat on ball, and last night's a prime example. 44 00:02:41,200 --> 00:02:43,639 Speaker 1: Dave Roberts had talked about show Hey bringing down the 45 00:02:43,720 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: velocity to see if he could last longer. So he 46 00:02:46,160 --> 00:02:48,760 Speaker 1: wasn't quite as dominating, but he left it was two 47 00:02:48,760 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: to one, and one long after that it was six 48 00:02:51,160 --> 00:02:54,800 Speaker 1: to one. Because this is what Toronto does. They get 49 00:02:54,960 --> 00:02:59,880 Speaker 1: bat on ball, and so you can't ask for everybody 50 00:02:59,880 --> 00:03:03,040 Speaker 1: that throw a complete game. Blake Snell goes tonight, but 51 00:03:03,080 --> 00:03:05,519 Speaker 1: the bigger issue is Max Months. He's hitting a buck 52 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,119 Speaker 1: seventy six, Mookie Betts is hitting a bug fifty eight, 53 00:03:09,639 --> 00:03:12,600 Speaker 1: Tommy Edmond, great defensive players hitting the buck sixty seven. 54 00:03:13,200 --> 00:03:16,760 Speaker 1: So Freddie Freeman and O Tawny are carrying the offense. 55 00:03:16,800 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 1: They're on fire. Everybody else for the Dodgers is on 56 00:03:19,240 --> 00:03:22,640 Speaker 1: sabbatical with a lot of strikeouts, and once again last 57 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,040 Speaker 1: night they stranded eighteen in the other night and one 58 00:03:26,520 --> 00:03:30,359 Speaker 1: last night they were zero for five with runners in 59 00:03:30,400 --> 00:03:34,680 Speaker 1: scoring position. So you just right now the story of 60 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:39,680 Speaker 1: the series is O Tawny's unbelievable. But the Blue Jays 61 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: have five guys hitting over three hundred and a couple 62 00:03:43,880 --> 00:03:47,640 Speaker 1: at four hundred and above, So they're gonna have to 63 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:52,000 Speaker 1: tweak that roster, tweet that lineup the bullpen again. It's 64 00:03:52,040 --> 00:03:55,600 Speaker 1: been spotty, hot and cold. Last night. Couldn't get outs, 65 00:03:55,880 --> 00:04:00,480 Speaker 1: but it was more about Toronto getting guys on arriving 66 00:04:00,760 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 1: runs in. Here's Dave Roberts on his struggling offense. 67 00:04:05,040 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 3: We haven't found our rhythm. We haven't. It sort of 68 00:04:09,120 --> 00:04:12,560 Speaker 3: draws dead at certain parts of the lineup in different parts, 69 00:04:13,000 --> 00:04:19,000 Speaker 3: different innings, different games. You know, guys are competing. Certainly 70 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:24,120 Speaker 3: in the postseason, you're seeing everyone's best. But yeah, you know, 71 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:28,039 Speaker 3: my hope is we regroup tomorrow. 72 00:04:29,960 --> 00:04:33,720 Speaker 1: Well, good luck, Blake Snell goes tonight and then we're 73 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: gonna get two games one minimum in Canada. But last 74 00:04:40,360 --> 00:04:42,839 Speaker 1: night was the Jays night and Otani was fine. He 75 00:04:42,920 --> 00:04:45,960 Speaker 1: was pretty sharp, but at some point Vlad was going 76 00:04:46,040 --> 00:04:50,000 Speaker 1: to break pitch up in the strike zone. He did 77 00:04:50,200 --> 00:04:54,680 Speaker 1: and the ball got rolling. All right. So the NFL 78 00:04:55,160 --> 00:04:57,360 Speaker 1: is pretty cruel when it comes to coaches. I mean, 79 00:04:57,400 --> 00:05:00,800 Speaker 1: it feels like Greg Popovich coach forever in San Antonio, 80 00:05:01,360 --> 00:05:04,640 Speaker 1: Spolstra coaching forever. Steve Kerr's got a job as long 81 00:05:04,720 --> 00:05:08,040 Speaker 1: as he wants it. But in the NFL, Andy Reid 82 00:05:08,040 --> 00:05:13,360 Speaker 1: got fired, Bill Belichick got fired, Cowboys got a new owner. 83 00:05:13,520 --> 00:05:17,919 Speaker 1: Tom Landry got fired. I don't know what to do 84 00:05:17,960 --> 00:05:23,840 Speaker 1: with Pittsburgh, Mike Tomlin. The Steelers are broken, but it's 85 00:05:23,880 --> 00:05:27,520 Speaker 1: the defense that's broken. The Pittsburgh defense for the four 86 00:05:27,560 --> 00:05:30,760 Speaker 1: straight year is the most expensive in the league. Yesterday, 87 00:05:31,520 --> 00:05:33,680 Speaker 1: trade deadline coming up. They got a safety from the 88 00:05:33,760 --> 00:05:36,599 Speaker 1: new England Patriots, Kyle Duggar. That's not going to solve it. 89 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:40,400 Speaker 1: When you watch that green Bay game Sunday night, football man, 90 00:05:40,480 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: is it apparent green Bay is a very progressive, smart 91 00:05:45,120 --> 00:05:49,520 Speaker 1: and current franchise. Aaron Rodgers is keeping them afloat. Actually, 92 00:05:49,960 --> 00:05:52,799 Speaker 1: the Steelers are averaging five point four yards of play. 93 00:05:52,920 --> 00:05:56,520 Speaker 1: That's good. I looked this morning, Top three red zone offense, 94 00:05:57,320 --> 00:06:01,920 Speaker 1: yards per play, red zone turnovers. Aaron Rodgers' influence has 95 00:06:01,960 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: been really, really impressive. He's having a sneaky year. He's 96 00:06:06,920 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 1: not throwing the ball deep downfield. Aaron's done his part. 97 00:06:10,160 --> 00:06:14,520 Speaker 1: But right now, that defense. You can't pay the most 98 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,159 Speaker 1: for something and get lousy production. That's how TV shows 99 00:06:18,160 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: get canceled. That's the Steelers four straight year highest paid defense, 100 00:06:22,279 --> 00:06:25,000 Speaker 1: and they're bad. It's the worst in Tomlin's era. It's 101 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,240 Speaker 1: like paying eighty bucks a month for a streaming service 102 00:06:27,279 --> 00:06:31,560 Speaker 1: with no hits. At some point where they hits. And 103 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: I've said this with Aaron Rodgers. He can be divisive 104 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:36,839 Speaker 1: and polarizing. He's actually really good. He's not throwing the 105 00:06:36,839 --> 00:06:38,760 Speaker 1: ball down the field. This is not going to be 106 00:06:38,800 --> 00:06:41,960 Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts down the field to Devonte Smith. It's not 107 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,160 Speaker 1: going to be Matt Stafford down the field to Puka. 108 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:47,800 Speaker 1: That's not what this offense is. It is it's not. 109 00:06:48,560 --> 00:06:52,800 Speaker 1: This offense is big, large human beings fifteen yards an end, 110 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:57,000 Speaker 1: but red zone that's a quarterback stat too. They're kind 111 00:06:57,000 --> 00:07:00,000 Speaker 1: of good this year. They're kind of good. They don't 112 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:02,359 Speaker 1: turn the ball over a ton. So what do you 113 00:07:02,400 --> 00:07:06,359 Speaker 1: do with Mike Tomlin. I'm not anti defensive coach, but 114 00:07:06,400 --> 00:07:10,280 Speaker 1: the really good defensive coaches make an impact immediately. Mike 115 00:07:10,360 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: Frable comes in Patriots twenty second defense. Before Mike got 116 00:07:15,200 --> 00:07:21,280 Speaker 1: their fourth this year, Mike McDonald got to Seattle thirtieth 117 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:25,320 Speaker 1: to fourteenth. Now they're top ten. I mean the Rams 118 00:07:25,320 --> 00:07:29,720 Speaker 1: don't spend anything on their defense. Their second it's cheap labor, right, 119 00:07:30,120 --> 00:07:33,200 Speaker 1: so when you have veterans, you're paying them a fortune 120 00:07:33,480 --> 00:07:36,400 Speaker 1: and they're awful. Kyle Duggar is not going to be 121 00:07:36,400 --> 00:07:39,520 Speaker 1: the answer. So I don't know what you do. It 122 00:07:39,560 --> 00:07:41,600 Speaker 1: feels like the Steelers are broken. I've always said I 123 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:44,640 Speaker 1: judge coaches on their side of the ball. Say what 124 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: you want about Lincoln Riley of USC. The offense is fun. 125 00:07:47,720 --> 00:07:50,080 Speaker 1: You could argue he's not a head coach, he's not 126 00:07:50,160 --> 00:07:52,600 Speaker 1: a culture creator. You'll argue what you want. He gets 127 00:07:52,640 --> 00:07:56,480 Speaker 1: his side. I mean, the Rams offense is almost always good. 128 00:07:56,640 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: They can take fifth round Pooka, third round Cooper Cupp 129 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:05,240 Speaker 1: and his prom fourth fifth round Kyron Williams, an undrafted 130 00:08:05,240 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: starting left tackle. Sean mcmay is squeezing every bit of 131 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:13,720 Speaker 1: juice out of that Rams offense. Mid low round guys. 132 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,400 Speaker 1: He'll make them work. They got a seventh round. Receivers 133 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:20,000 Speaker 1: already have a touchdown pass this year. But with Mike Tomlin, 134 00:08:20,440 --> 00:08:23,200 Speaker 1: he's good at the podium. But I think the franchise 135 00:08:23,280 --> 00:08:23,680 Speaker 1: is broken. 136 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:26,440 Speaker 4: Here's Mike. We all have to own it. 137 00:08:27,200 --> 00:08:29,800 Speaker 5: Certainly, you start with the schematics, man, because you know 138 00:08:29,960 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 5: that's the leadership component of it, and certainly we'll be 139 00:08:32,600 --> 00:08:35,000 Speaker 5: looking at everything that we're doing, man, because some of 140 00:08:35,040 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 5: these problems are somewhat repetitive and we're not getting better 141 00:08:37,840 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 5: fast enough. 142 00:08:38,960 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: So the story yesterday they brought in traded a draft pick, 143 00:08:43,280 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 1: They brought in a safety from New England to try 144 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:49,600 Speaker 1: to fix it because they've got injuries, which of course 145 00:08:49,640 --> 00:08:52,720 Speaker 1: everybody in the league has, but great brands can usually 146 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,320 Speaker 1: pivot faster to get it right. But right now they're broken. 147 00:08:57,000 --> 00:08:59,000 Speaker 1: There's a lot going on. You know, Jay Mack, I 148 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:03,199 Speaker 1: know you love NBA. You see Jannis last night. Jannis 149 00:09:03,240 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: last night was unbelievable. And you're sitting there watching that game. 150 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:10,520 Speaker 1: And as I watched O Tawni in the World Series, 151 00:09:11,720 --> 00:09:15,080 Speaker 1: I watched Giannis and I think it feels like Otawni 152 00:09:15,160 --> 00:09:18,040 Speaker 1: with the Angels. You know, Tani was putting up huge 153 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:20,319 Speaker 1: numbers with the Angels. But you're like, wouldn't it be 154 00:09:20,400 --> 00:09:25,400 Speaker 1: great if he kept playing in September late? Yeah, And 155 00:09:25,440 --> 00:09:27,439 Speaker 1: it's like three first round exits in a row for 156 00:09:27,520 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 1: Milwaukee and and and the Bucks have tried, by the way, 157 00:09:30,840 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 1: I mean they they they're gonna be paying Dame Lillard's salary. 158 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:39,200 Speaker 1: Some of that for five years and they've exhausted draft capital. 159 00:09:39,280 --> 00:09:41,920 Speaker 1: It's not like Milwaukee didn't win it, titl or hasn't tried. 160 00:09:42,320 --> 00:09:44,920 Speaker 1: But I've got thoughts. I honestly, last night you watched 161 00:09:44,960 --> 00:09:47,319 Speaker 1: Giannis and it's got an O TAWNI feel with the Angels. 162 00:09:47,320 --> 00:09:49,680 Speaker 1: You're like, oh, I feel bad, but it's time to 163 00:09:49,760 --> 00:09:52,360 Speaker 1: restock the draft picks and get some other players. You're 164 00:09:52,480 --> 00:09:54,560 Speaker 1: mister analogy that that's a good one. 165 00:09:54,600 --> 00:09:55,000 Speaker 2: I like it. 166 00:09:55,120 --> 00:09:56,679 Speaker 1: Hey boy, had looked like it last night. 167 00:09:57,080 --> 00:09:59,679 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 168 00:09:59,679 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 2: and new Easter nine am Pacific on Fox Sports Radio 169 00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:05,720 Speaker 2: FS one and the iHeartRadio app. 170 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,880 Speaker 1: Hey is Covino and Rich from Fox Sports Radio Now. 171 00:10:08,920 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 6: In addition to hearing us live weekdays from five to 172 00:10:11,360 --> 00:10:14,600 Speaker 6: seven pm Eastern two to four Pacific on Fox Sports Radio, 173 00:10:14,800 --> 00:10:18,160 Speaker 6: We're excited to announce a brand new YouTube channel for 174 00:10:18,200 --> 00:10:18,520 Speaker 6: the show. 175 00:10:18,640 --> 00:10:19,480 Speaker 4: YEP, that's right. 176 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:22,199 Speaker 6: You can now watch Covino and Rich live on YouTube 177 00:10:22,240 --> 00:10:25,120 Speaker 6: every day. All you gotta do search Covino and Rich 178 00:10:25,280 --> 00:10:29,280 Speaker 6: FSR on YouTube again, go to YouTube search Covino en 179 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:33,680 Speaker 6: Rich FSR. Check us out on YouTube, subscribe, hit that 180 00:10:33,800 --> 00:10:35,640 Speaker 6: thumbs up icon, and comment. 181 00:10:35,440 --> 00:10:40,000 Speaker 1: Away, everybody ages differently. A lot of it's genetics. I 182 00:10:40,080 --> 00:10:43,400 Speaker 1: saw an interesting number the other day people that live 183 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:48,320 Speaker 1: to be one hundred actually work out less than people 184 00:10:48,320 --> 00:10:51,720 Speaker 1: that die at eighty, meaning the octogenarians. They got good genetics. 185 00:10:51,960 --> 00:10:53,959 Speaker 1: That doesn't mean you can't improve the quality of your 186 00:10:54,000 --> 00:10:55,920 Speaker 1: life in your last five or six years, if you know, 187 00:10:55,960 --> 00:10:59,040 Speaker 1: you take your Omega three and eat your salmon and 188 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,240 Speaker 1: your greens. But pro athletes that are hyper athletic or 189 00:11:04,280 --> 00:11:07,120 Speaker 1: depend on that, like a Russell Westbrook or a Cam Newton, 190 00:11:07,559 --> 00:11:10,880 Speaker 1: don't age as well. Like the NBA Kde age as well. 191 00:11:11,000 --> 00:11:14,160 Speaker 1: He's get a bucket. Guy. Steph will age well. Jokis 192 00:11:14,240 --> 00:11:20,760 Speaker 1: will age well, and we'll see. Yannis is fascinating. He's 193 00:11:20,800 --> 00:11:22,480 Speaker 1: gonna be thirty one here in like a week or so. 194 00:11:23,280 --> 00:11:26,560 Speaker 1: And there have been trade rumors for years with Yannis, 195 00:11:26,640 --> 00:11:29,880 Speaker 1: and my take is he's going to age quickly because 196 00:11:29,880 --> 00:11:33,280 Speaker 1: his game is predicated on he can't shoot, he's not 197 00:11:33,320 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: a shooter. It's gonna be predicated on his athletic ability. 198 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 1: And he's still got three or four great years. 199 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 4: He had. 200 00:11:39,640 --> 00:11:42,120 Speaker 1: He had thirty seven last night they beat the Knicks. 201 00:11:42,120 --> 00:11:46,480 Speaker 1: He's unstoppable shot like seventy five percent, but he's had 202 00:11:46,520 --> 00:11:49,240 Speaker 1: injuries and I don't think he'll age particularly well. And 203 00:11:49,320 --> 00:11:54,199 Speaker 1: Milwaukee three straight first round exits. That's in the East. 204 00:11:54,760 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 1: They're a mile They're a borderline playoff team in the 205 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: West with Yannis, So that tells you it's Giannis and 206 00:12:02,480 --> 00:12:05,160 Speaker 1: everything else it's got. You know, I said this for 207 00:12:05,280 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: years with Mike Trout. I don't care what the market 208 00:12:08,800 --> 00:12:16,240 Speaker 1: size is. There are I want to see great with great, Hanks, Spielberg, DiCaprio, Scorsese, 209 00:12:16,720 --> 00:12:20,800 Speaker 1: Samuel L. Jackson, Tarantino. I want great on great. You're 210 00:12:20,840 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: seeing it now, Dodgers, great organization, O Tawny. It feels different. 211 00:12:25,640 --> 00:12:30,319 Speaker 1: Mahomes read. It's not a market sized thing. Kevin Garnett 212 00:12:30,760 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 1: was won an MVP in Minnesota. You remember the Celtics, 213 00:12:34,800 --> 00:12:36,480 Speaker 1: And that's not to say that everybody's got to go 214 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:38,600 Speaker 1: to a big market. I love watching the Packers play. 215 00:12:39,559 --> 00:12:43,480 Speaker 1: It's not a market sized thing. Great on great. Milwaukee 216 00:12:43,520 --> 00:12:45,959 Speaker 1: took some huge swings. Now they don't have draft capital 217 00:12:46,120 --> 00:12:48,760 Speaker 1: and they're paying Dame salary for five years or part 218 00:12:48,800 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: of it, and so it's like they tried, but they're 219 00:12:51,280 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: already viable in the East, they are not viable in 220 00:12:54,840 --> 00:12:57,160 Speaker 1: the East. In the West, they're probably a seven seed 221 00:12:57,840 --> 00:13:01,200 Speaker 1: with the honest who is unbelieva. So they've been a 222 00:13:01,280 --> 00:13:04,920 Speaker 1: very good regular season team. But I mean last year, 223 00:13:05,559 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: I think J Mack called it like one and done, 224 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:12,320 Speaker 1: not competitive, got blown out several times first round. So 225 00:13:12,400 --> 00:13:14,480 Speaker 1: there have been these rumors. And by the way, not 226 00:13:14,559 --> 00:13:18,200 Speaker 1: all rumors are physical. Some are flirting emotionally. Giannis is 227 00:13:18,240 --> 00:13:21,520 Speaker 1: flirting emotionally. There's been a lot of talk when stuff 228 00:13:21,679 --> 00:13:24,760 Speaker 1: gets leaked, when somebody wants it leaked. There's been a 229 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:26,760 Speaker 1: lot of stories that I think I read one of 230 00:13:26,800 --> 00:13:30,040 Speaker 1: them that there's a direct flight from Newark to Greece 231 00:13:30,120 --> 00:13:32,200 Speaker 1: and he wanted to be closer to the airport or something. 232 00:13:32,559 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 4: I don't know. 233 00:13:33,640 --> 00:13:37,480 Speaker 1: All I know is there's rumors he's unbelievable. I would 234 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:40,760 Speaker 1: love to see him play with ant I would love 235 00:13:40,800 --> 00:13:44,800 Speaker 1: to see him with Aman Thompson and KD. He's not 236 00:13:44,920 --> 00:13:47,160 Speaker 1: going to the Lakers. They don't have enough to give up. 237 00:13:48,280 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: I've said before, if I was the Warriors, I would 238 00:13:51,040 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: give up Kaminga, I give up Jimmy Butler. I'd give 239 00:13:54,200 --> 00:13:57,520 Speaker 1: up four first round picks. If I had to give 240 00:13:57,559 --> 00:14:01,679 Speaker 1: up pods. I'd consider it is Janis who was amazing 241 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,880 Speaker 1: last night beating the next at home. On the New 242 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:06,200 Speaker 1: York trade rumors. 243 00:14:07,440 --> 00:14:08,480 Speaker 7: I don't I don't even remember that. 244 00:14:08,720 --> 00:14:08,800 Speaker 5: Now. 245 00:14:08,800 --> 00:14:14,400 Speaker 7: I'm like, I'm sure, but I was in my team 246 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,000 Speaker 7: and that's it. We beat the Knicks. I didn't read 247 00:14:17,040 --> 00:14:21,200 Speaker 7: that article. I try to still away from all that 248 00:14:22,680 --> 00:14:25,880 Speaker 7: rumors and I don't know, you call it speculations and 249 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,240 Speaker 7: trade and all this does it serve me? Won't beat that. 250 00:14:29,240 --> 00:14:34,080 Speaker 7: I try to involve myself and try to hold my 251 00:14:34,120 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 7: team win games. 252 00:14:36,120 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, he feels like he needs to be playing in 253 00:14:38,680 --> 00:14:41,560 Speaker 1: June and late May and not be a first round 254 00:14:41,560 --> 00:14:43,680 Speaker 1: exit guy. I felt, you know, watching him last night, 255 00:14:43,680 --> 00:14:45,920 Speaker 1: there's an Otani feel. You know. It's not that the 256 00:14:45,960 --> 00:14:48,760 Speaker 1: Angels couldn't be entertaining, but you need better people hitting 257 00:14:48,800 --> 00:14:51,120 Speaker 1: in front of him and behind him in a bigger stage. 258 00:14:51,280 --> 00:14:53,880 Speaker 2: Be sure to catch live editions of The Herd weekdays 259 00:14:53,880 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 2: in noon Easter not a Empacific. 260 00:14:56,160 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: And with that, Joel clad, the voice of college football, 261 00:14:59,120 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: is now joining us. He's got Penn State at Ohio 262 00:15:02,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 1: State this weekend. So you know, these universities, they always 263 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:09,200 Speaker 1: squawk about their running out of money. Boy, the nil. 264 00:15:09,280 --> 00:15:12,080 Speaker 1: How are we gonna make the nil work? And then 265 00:15:12,120 --> 00:15:14,920 Speaker 1: they buy out James Franklin and Brian Kelly at LSU, 266 00:15:15,080 --> 00:15:19,000 Speaker 1: so he got plenty of money. We were talking about this. 267 00:15:19,040 --> 00:15:22,560 Speaker 1: So Florida's got an opening, LSU's got an opening, Penn 268 00:15:22,560 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 1: State's got an opening. Now I think a lot of it. 269 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: Brian Kelly always felt Midwest to me, not Southern. I 270 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,520 Speaker 1: didn't love the fit. But Urban Meyer went down and 271 00:15:31,560 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: won Natty's at Florida, and he's more Midwest. If you 272 00:15:35,960 --> 00:15:40,480 Speaker 1: said there was a the hottest coach in the country, LSU, Florida, 273 00:15:40,640 --> 00:15:43,720 Speaker 1: Penn State, is there a best job of those three? 274 00:15:43,920 --> 00:15:47,440 Speaker 8: Yeah, I think LSU is and Colin. I would go 275 00:15:47,520 --> 00:15:50,600 Speaker 8: a step further and say I think LSU is a 276 00:15:50,680 --> 00:15:54,920 Speaker 8: top three job in the entire sport. I think only 277 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:59,800 Speaker 8: Texas and maybe Ohio State are better than LSU. I 278 00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:02,000 Speaker 8: think think LSU is a better job than BAMA. I 279 00:16:02,000 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 8: think it's arguable between LSU and Georgia. They've got incredible resources. 280 00:16:07,080 --> 00:16:10,040 Speaker 8: The recruiting pipeline is right there. You're in the middle 281 00:16:10,080 --> 00:16:14,640 Speaker 8: of everything. In terms of recruiting. They have tradition guys 282 00:16:14,640 --> 00:16:17,440 Speaker 8: can win national championship there. So it comes down to fit. 283 00:16:17,760 --> 00:16:21,120 Speaker 8: I mean, why does Edozeron fit at LSU and not 284 00:16:21,240 --> 00:16:23,680 Speaker 8: Brian Kelly. I think it's what you were just talking 285 00:16:23,680 --> 00:16:27,080 Speaker 8: about about being rigid. You know, ed Ojeron, you know, 286 00:16:27,200 --> 00:16:30,800 Speaker 8: went down there and he was flexible and did some 287 00:16:30,880 --> 00:16:33,360 Speaker 8: things that maybe he was uncomfortable with, and all of 288 00:16:33,400 --> 00:16:35,240 Speaker 8: a sudden they turned into the best offense in the 289 00:16:35,320 --> 00:16:39,880 Speaker 8: history of college football in twenty nineteen with Joe Burrow 290 00:16:40,520 --> 00:16:42,560 Speaker 8: and Brian Kelly. I mean, it was the moment he 291 00:16:42,600 --> 00:16:45,440 Speaker 8: stepped onto that basketball court and gave the fake Southern accent. 292 00:16:45,600 --> 00:16:48,280 Speaker 8: I couldn't unsee that or unhear that. So every time 293 00:16:48,520 --> 00:16:51,920 Speaker 8: I saw him in an LSU shirt or hat, I 294 00:16:51,960 --> 00:16:55,120 Speaker 8: couldn't unhear the fake accent. It was never a good 295 00:16:55,160 --> 00:16:58,840 Speaker 8: fit and the authenticity was never really there at LSU. 296 00:16:58,920 --> 00:17:01,320 Speaker 8: Now starting to come out a lot of the former 297 00:17:01,360 --> 00:17:05,160 Speaker 8: players are chirping on social media and you're trying to 298 00:17:05,200 --> 00:17:07,240 Speaker 8: decipher what that is and peak under the hood a 299 00:17:07,280 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 8: little bit. But fit is very important. Back to your 300 00:17:09,680 --> 00:17:12,359 Speaker 8: question about like best jobs, I do think that LSU 301 00:17:12,440 --> 00:17:15,399 Speaker 8: is the best one of this cycle. And Colin I 302 00:17:15,400 --> 00:17:18,280 Speaker 8: would say that these three with Florida and Penn State, 303 00:17:18,359 --> 00:17:20,199 Speaker 8: I think are three of the top ten jobs in 304 00:17:20,240 --> 00:17:24,200 Speaker 8: all of college football. And I can't remember. Maybe I'm 305 00:17:24,240 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 8: just being recncy biased here. I can't remember a time 306 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:30,000 Speaker 8: when we had this level of openings, in particular in October. 307 00:17:30,119 --> 00:17:30,840 Speaker 4: That's never happened. 308 00:17:30,880 --> 00:17:33,040 Speaker 8: We can talk about the timing of these firings as well, 309 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 8: but these are massive jobs that are all looking for 310 00:17:36,440 --> 00:17:39,719 Speaker 8: like the A list guy, and I would actually make 311 00:17:39,760 --> 00:17:43,360 Speaker 8: an argument that the talent pool is more thin than 312 00:17:43,359 --> 00:17:46,320 Speaker 8: it's ever been. You know, this is going to produce 313 00:17:46,480 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 8: a bit of an arms race. Lane Kiffin likely will 314 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:51,960 Speaker 8: end up being the highest paid coach in college football 315 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:55,040 Speaker 8: because of this. Dan Lanning will likely end up being 316 00:17:55,600 --> 00:17:58,399 Speaker 8: a fifteen million dollars a year coach because of this, 317 00:17:58,480 --> 00:18:01,760 Speaker 8: whether they stay in their respectives or move. I think 318 00:18:01,920 --> 00:18:05,399 Speaker 8: LSU is going to call Urban and Nick Saban, because 319 00:18:05,440 --> 00:18:07,960 Speaker 8: why wouldn't you. I think they're going to call Dan 320 00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,760 Speaker 8: Lanning and they're going to offer him the moon. LSU 321 00:18:10,840 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 8: has a lot of money. This is what people I 322 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:12,960 Speaker 8: don't think. 323 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:13,399 Speaker 4: I understand. 324 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,560 Speaker 8: It's a little bit more quiet than other places around 325 00:18:15,560 --> 00:18:18,359 Speaker 8: the country, but they've got those billionaires down there. Trust me, 326 00:18:18,400 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 8: and they've got a lot of resources and money will 327 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:23,200 Speaker 8: not be the reason that they miss on a coach here. 328 00:18:23,240 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 8: But what they should be thinking about is what we 329 00:18:25,520 --> 00:18:27,920 Speaker 8: were just talking about, which is fit. Who's the best 330 00:18:27,920 --> 00:18:30,000 Speaker 8: fit for LSU, because if you get the fit right, 331 00:18:30,040 --> 00:18:31,959 Speaker 8: that's a place that can win the national championship. 332 00:18:32,200 --> 00:18:35,959 Speaker 1: So two games this weekend are fascinating. If UFC loses 333 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:40,800 Speaker 1: it in Nebraska and Vanderbilt beats Texas, Sark and Lincoln 334 00:18:40,880 --> 00:18:44,120 Speaker 1: Riley are going to get major heat. Now. Sark's got 335 00:18:44,119 --> 00:18:46,640 Speaker 1: a bit of a pass because arch Manning Hurt may 336 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:50,280 Speaker 1: not play right. I saw some Sark rumors come out 337 00:18:50,320 --> 00:18:52,879 Speaker 1: about the NFL. I had said this two months ago, like, 338 00:18:53,080 --> 00:18:55,199 Speaker 1: I think he's the best candidate out there from the 339 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,560 Speaker 1: college game, is Sark. But I think Texas is arguably 340 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:00,760 Speaker 1: the best job. So I would stay in Austin. But 341 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,480 Speaker 1: let's just let's just look ahead. And I know I 342 00:19:04,520 --> 00:19:07,840 Speaker 1: always talk to USC, But last time you were on 343 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:12,080 Speaker 1: you said it's better now, and I said, okay. The 344 00:19:12,119 --> 00:19:14,720 Speaker 1: offense was good four years ago. The offense was smart 345 00:19:14,720 --> 00:19:17,360 Speaker 1: and clever, and quarterback play was good. They were very 346 00:19:17,359 --> 00:19:20,200 Speaker 1: good at home four years ago, and they can't win 347 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,359 Speaker 1: games on the road, and they're a much better program. 348 00:19:25,400 --> 00:19:27,320 Speaker 4: That's so surfaces. 349 00:19:27,440 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: Maybe I'm surface, I'm in television. Maybe it's the makeup 350 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: in me. Maybe if they lose to Nebraska, would you 351 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:36,760 Speaker 1: acknowledge is it's not better than three years ago? Yes? 352 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,240 Speaker 8: Yes, this is a great litmus test of I guess 353 00:19:40,240 --> 00:19:45,000 Speaker 8: our positions on this. You talked about like the offense 354 00:19:45,080 --> 00:19:47,720 Speaker 8: being clever and creative, that's because they had to be 355 00:19:47,720 --> 00:19:51,840 Speaker 8: because they weren't balanced. Now they're balanced and against the 356 00:19:51,880 --> 00:19:55,880 Speaker 8: teams that they can retain that balance, they are very 357 00:19:55,920 --> 00:19:56,520 Speaker 8: good now. 358 00:19:56,800 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 4: Was Illinois a good matchup for them? No? Notre Dame. 359 00:19:59,040 --> 00:20:01,480 Speaker 8: No, And that's why they need to continue to get better. 360 00:20:01,560 --> 00:20:03,840 Speaker 8: I believe they're on the trajectory towards getting better in 361 00:20:03,880 --> 00:20:06,280 Speaker 8: those areas, to be better at the line of scrimmage. 362 00:20:05,880 --> 00:20:09,840 Speaker 8: But what's different now is that they will and are 363 00:20:09,880 --> 00:20:13,320 Speaker 8: committed to running the football and they should be able 364 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 8: to run it against Nebraska. Nebraska's ranked fifteenth in the 365 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:18,840 Speaker 8: Big Ten stop in the run, and if you allow 366 00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,240 Speaker 8: Lincoln Riley and jade My Ava to have a run game, 367 00:20:22,400 --> 00:20:25,440 Speaker 8: they will pick you apart. This is why it's different now, 368 00:20:25,520 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 8: and it's much more sustainable. The one worry would be like, 369 00:20:29,280 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 8: is there defense going to be able to stop the 370 00:20:30,880 --> 00:20:33,680 Speaker 8: run of Nebraska. I think Nebraska's okay running the football. 371 00:20:33,680 --> 00:20:36,880 Speaker 8: They'll certainly try to test the interior of that defensive line. 372 00:20:37,200 --> 00:20:40,320 Speaker 8: But this has much more sustainability, and the trajectory for 373 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:43,280 Speaker 8: USC is a lot more positive now than it was 374 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,080 Speaker 8: even when they had Kleb Williams, because with Kayleb Williams, 375 00:20:46,240 --> 00:20:49,159 Speaker 8: it was smoking mirrors, Colin. It was all surface, it 376 00:20:49,200 --> 00:20:52,520 Speaker 8: was lipstick, it was vanity. Now there's some substance there 377 00:20:52,880 --> 00:20:54,760 Speaker 8: because of the balance that they play with on the 378 00:20:54,800 --> 00:20:57,480 Speaker 8: offensive side, and if they retain that against Nebraska, they'll 379 00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 8: win this weekend. There's not a doubt in my mind. 380 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:02,400 Speaker 8: In fact, I would take them and give the six 381 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,000 Speaker 8: and a half because I don't think Nebraska stops the run. 382 00:21:05,040 --> 00:21:07,080 Speaker 8: And there's no way that USC is going to score 383 00:21:07,240 --> 00:21:10,400 Speaker 8: under thirty five points if they're balanced, And if you're 384 00:21:10,400 --> 00:21:13,639 Speaker 8: telling me Dylan RelA is going to score thirty or 385 00:21:13,640 --> 00:21:16,880 Speaker 8: more points against USC, I would. I just don't think 386 00:21:16,880 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 8: that that's going to take place. So I watched last week. 387 00:21:21,080 --> 00:21:24,960 Speaker 1: I watched Alabama and South Carolina play, and though it 388 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,520 Speaker 1: was an a losing cause. I think I draft the 389 00:21:27,560 --> 00:21:30,400 Speaker 1: South Carolina quarterback first because I see juice. I've always 390 00:21:30,400 --> 00:21:33,200 Speaker 1: said that's about quarterback play. When I watch a college guy, 391 00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:36,160 Speaker 1: you got to give me one wow trait. I've got 392 00:21:36,200 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 1: to go wow. No, So South Carolina Rocket, you're wrong again, 393 00:21:41,200 --> 00:21:44,280 Speaker 1: You're wrong again. Ty Simpson has no juice. He's doing 394 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:48,480 Speaker 1: no juice. Watch his intermediate throws. Watch him control the 395 00:21:48,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 1: game from the pocket, Colin, Colin, he is just who 396 00:21:53,040 --> 00:21:59,000 Speaker 1: wins super Bowls. Guys that control the game from the pocket. 397 00:22:00,119 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 4: All the game. 398 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,080 Speaker 8: Now, you have to do those things first. See this is, 399 00:22:04,200 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 8: this is, this is, and I bring this up all 400 00:22:06,400 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 8: the time. 401 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:07,359 Speaker 1: This is math. 402 00:22:07,680 --> 00:22:10,399 Speaker 8: You gotta have algebra one under your belt before you 403 00:22:10,400 --> 00:22:12,240 Speaker 8: can go to algebra two and then calculus and to 404 00:22:12,280 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 8: all that. You got to bake the cake first before 405 00:22:14,200 --> 00:22:15,320 Speaker 8: you put frosting on it. 406 00:22:15,680 --> 00:22:17,600 Speaker 1: You you want to go and you want to put 407 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,360 Speaker 1: the wedding topper on it and get all the frivolous 408 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,000 Speaker 1: frosting on the cake, But you got to understand you've got. 409 00:22:22,920 --> 00:22:24,200 Speaker 4: To make the cake first. 410 00:22:24,640 --> 00:22:27,880 Speaker 8: And listen, Sellers is a terrific player, and he'll certainly 411 00:22:27,920 --> 00:22:30,399 Speaker 8: be thought of highly in the NFL draft. I think 412 00:22:30,400 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 8: he's going to be a top ten pick. I'm not 413 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 8: saying that he's bad, but I'm just saying if you 414 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 8: compare their games, the game that Ty Simpson plays directly 415 00:22:38,760 --> 00:22:41,600 Speaker 8: correlates to the National Football League. He will go in 416 00:22:41,640 --> 00:22:44,320 Speaker 8: and he will have success. He is a bow Knicks 417 00:22:44,720 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 8: or a Joe Burrow style of guy that can go 418 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:49,919 Speaker 8: in there and make those throws right away with anticipation 419 00:22:50,200 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 8: and accuracy. I would also put another guy in there. 420 00:22:52,680 --> 00:22:55,040 Speaker 8: Fernando Mendoza is going to have a ton of success 421 00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 8: in the NFL because of what he does from a 422 00:22:58,080 --> 00:23:03,600 Speaker 8: foundational standpoint, his accurate see, his anticipation, his intellect. Sellers 423 00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,760 Speaker 8: is a wonderful player. But you take a look around 424 00:23:06,800 --> 00:23:10,080 Speaker 8: the NFL at all these places that draft traits at 425 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:13,920 Speaker 8: quarterback versus drafting quarterbacks, and it never ends up well 426 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:17,200 Speaker 8: for them. They're turning over offensive coordinators, they're turning over 427 00:23:17,280 --> 00:23:20,360 Speaker 8: head coaches. It never really works. Maybe that guy will 428 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,520 Speaker 8: succeed down the road, but to me, the first pick 429 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,600 Speaker 8: in the draft is going to become a discussion between 430 00:23:26,640 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 8: Mendoza at Indiana and ty Simpson at Alabama. Sellers is wonderful, 431 00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,919 Speaker 8: but he doesn't control the game from the pocket like 432 00:23:35,960 --> 00:23:39,040 Speaker 8: those two do. If you look at the last you know, 433 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,560 Speaker 8: ever since Tom Brady won his Super Bowl. You look 434 00:23:41,600 --> 00:23:44,959 Speaker 8: at the quarterbacks that win the Super Bowl, look at 435 00:23:44,960 --> 00:23:47,520 Speaker 8: their college careers, look at the style that they play, 436 00:23:47,960 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 8: look at what they do, their experience. They have over 437 00:23:50,359 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 8: thirty starts combined. You know, I think the average number 438 00:23:53,720 --> 00:23:56,600 Speaker 8: of starts for the guys that have won Super Bowl 439 00:23:56,720 --> 00:23:59,119 Speaker 8: since the early two thousands is like twenty nine and 440 00:23:59,160 --> 00:24:01,520 Speaker 8: a half is the average number of starts in college. 441 00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:03,639 Speaker 8: So you're looking for an experienced guy you can go 442 00:24:03,720 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 8: out there control it from the pocket. So that that's 443 00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:08,439 Speaker 8: what I would say about that. I mean, look at 444 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:11,119 Speaker 8: the trade. You keep wanting to draft Kayleb Williams, and 445 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:13,639 Speaker 8: then now you bag on Kayleb Williams and you're all 446 00:24:13,680 --> 00:24:14,600 Speaker 8: over Ben Johnson. 447 00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,520 Speaker 1: Well, no, I like I like Drake May and Jaden 448 00:24:17,600 --> 00:24:19,960 Speaker 1: Daniels and Bownicks. I liked all of them. I thought 449 00:24:20,080 --> 00:24:24,320 Speaker 1: all of those guys could control the game from the pocket. Yeah, 450 00:24:24,520 --> 00:24:27,520 Speaker 1: I like Jayden daniels movement, I like bo Nick's athletic ability. 451 00:24:27,600 --> 00:24:30,160 Speaker 1: I actually like Drake May's athletic But those are pluses. 452 00:24:30,280 --> 00:24:33,439 Speaker 1: Those are like the that's the frosting. It's like great. 453 00:24:34,280 --> 00:24:36,439 Speaker 8: Now, now you tell me you got a cake and 454 00:24:36,480 --> 00:24:38,000 Speaker 8: now you can put some frosting on it. 455 00:24:38,160 --> 00:24:40,240 Speaker 4: Now I'm in Let me ask you. 456 00:24:40,359 --> 00:24:43,320 Speaker 1: If Ohio State, so Michigan wins the Natty, then Ohio 457 00:24:43,359 --> 00:24:47,400 Speaker 1: State wins the Natty. If Ohio State and their defense 458 00:24:47,480 --> 00:24:50,480 Speaker 1: is clearly the best in the country, yeah, if Ohio 459 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:55,760 Speaker 1: State or Indiana wins the National Championship, what does it 460 00:24:55,800 --> 00:24:59,480 Speaker 1: say about the Big Ten SEC comp What does it say? 461 00:24:59,680 --> 00:25:02,199 Speaker 8: You know, I get this question a lot, and I 462 00:25:02,200 --> 00:25:05,719 Speaker 8: think that it boils down to this. I think at 463 00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:09,480 Speaker 8: the top end the Big Ten has the best teams 464 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:13,560 Speaker 8: in college football, Indiana and Ohio State, you know, kind 465 00:25:13,560 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 8: of leading the track there as far as depth goes. 466 00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:19,000 Speaker 8: In the middle of the conference, you can make an 467 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,880 Speaker 8: argument that the SEC is better. Now, I do think 468 00:25:21,880 --> 00:25:25,760 Speaker 8: that some of those teams get overvalued as compared to 469 00:25:25,800 --> 00:25:28,280 Speaker 8: the top middle of the Big Ten. For instance, these 470 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:30,200 Speaker 8: four teams I feel like do not get the love 471 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:36,040 Speaker 8: that they should Iowa, Washington, Michigan, and USC. Those teams 472 00:25:36,040 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 8: are better than the AP would suggest, They're better than 473 00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:42,280 Speaker 8: the narrative would suggest than the other network would certainly suggest, 474 00:25:43,040 --> 00:25:46,200 Speaker 8: but the middle of the SEC is is very good 475 00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:48,560 Speaker 8: and very deep, and it makes it incredibly difficult to 476 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,040 Speaker 8: go out there and win every single week. What I 477 00:25:51,080 --> 00:25:54,360 Speaker 8: start getting frustrated with in this whole conversation is that 478 00:25:54,640 --> 00:25:57,280 Speaker 8: you go in overtime if you're Texas against Kentucky and 479 00:25:57,320 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 8: Mississippi State, and you're sitting there and it's like, on 480 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 8: a second, you can't just tell me that every win 481 00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:04,440 Speaker 8: in that conference because it's on the road, is a 482 00:26:04,520 --> 00:26:08,280 Speaker 8: quality win, and Texas all of a sudden retains their position, 483 00:26:08,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 8: even moves up in the Apeopole. Meanwhile, Iowa is playing 484 00:26:12,640 --> 00:26:14,960 Speaker 8: great football. They were just tied with Indiana in the 485 00:26:15,040 --> 00:26:17,640 Speaker 8: last two minutes of their game in kinnick a couple 486 00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 8: of weeks ago, a few weeks ago, thirteen thirteen. And 487 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,680 Speaker 8: Iowa can't get ranked. So that's where the perception maybe 488 00:26:23,720 --> 00:26:26,119 Speaker 8: is a little off top into the Big ten, better 489 00:26:26,600 --> 00:26:30,879 Speaker 8: middle of the SEC, better deeper, And that's both of 490 00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:32,120 Speaker 8: those things can be true. 491 00:26:32,680 --> 00:26:36,560 Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting because of Phil Knight's money. I 492 00:26:36,560 --> 00:26:39,800 Speaker 1: wouldn't leave Oregon for LSU, even though I think LSU 493 00:26:39,880 --> 00:26:43,320 Speaker 1: is a better job. I wouldn't leave Ole Miss for 494 00:26:43,440 --> 00:26:46,320 Speaker 1: Florida there's way more pressure, and I think you can 495 00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,320 Speaker 1: have a team that's almost as talent rich as long 496 00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,040 Speaker 1: as you have one or two nil guys. I wouldn't leave. 497 00:26:52,080 --> 00:26:54,960 Speaker 1: There's only about four programs. I would never leave Ohio State. 498 00:26:55,000 --> 00:26:59,120 Speaker 1: I would never leave. I don't think there's a better 499 00:26:59,200 --> 00:27:03,560 Speaker 1: job than Texas. If I got LSU rolling, I wouldn't leave. 500 00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,160 Speaker 1: Same with Georgia. 501 00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:06,760 Speaker 4: Fama. 502 00:27:07,840 --> 00:27:10,040 Speaker 1: What do you do if you're Lane Kiffin? Because you 503 00:27:10,080 --> 00:27:12,199 Speaker 1: could get Florida or LSU. What do you do if 504 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:15,199 Speaker 1: you're Lane Kiffin? He's still young, he's reinvented himself. Ole 505 00:27:15,280 --> 00:27:18,119 Speaker 1: Miss is a very good job. It's not a great job. No, 506 00:27:18,240 --> 00:27:21,440 Speaker 1: it's a very good job. I would stay because I 507 00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:25,200 Speaker 1: think he's viewed as the architect of the next ten years, 508 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:27,000 Speaker 1: and he's bounced around a lot, and I think for 509 00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: his personality and what he's done, it's a neat fit. 510 00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:33,920 Speaker 1: Would you leave? Would you leave if you were Laying? 511 00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:38,320 Speaker 8: I mean LSU is intriguing, right. I just think like 512 00:27:38,840 --> 00:27:41,439 Speaker 8: LSU is a step above. I think that you have 513 00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 8: to overachieve at ole Miss. You've got to do things 514 00:27:43,800 --> 00:27:46,280 Speaker 8: that the program has never done to reach your ultimate 515 00:27:46,320 --> 00:27:48,520 Speaker 8: goals and to win at the top end of college 516 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,240 Speaker 8: football in a lot of respects. You know, the best 517 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:56,280 Speaker 8: years of Ole Miss football at least in recent vintage 518 00:27:56,359 --> 00:27:57,800 Speaker 8: or what we're seeing right now. 519 00:27:59,000 --> 00:28:01,560 Speaker 4: And does he want better than that? 520 00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,240 Speaker 8: You know, and go to LSU, and we know that 521 00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:06,840 Speaker 8: LSU can go and put together rosters year in and 522 00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:08,800 Speaker 8: year out that compete at the top end not only 523 00:28:08,880 --> 00:28:12,320 Speaker 8: the SEC, but also of the country and win a 524 00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,960 Speaker 8: national championship. I do think it comes down to resources. 525 00:28:15,000 --> 00:28:19,040 Speaker 8: And like I said, I think that LSU has top 526 00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:24,199 Speaker 8: two or three resources financially in college football. I know 527 00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 8: a couple of their boosters. They have deep, deep pockets, 528 00:28:28,600 --> 00:28:31,399 Speaker 8: and in this day and age, that's what you have 529 00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:35,000 Speaker 8: to have. That's why Dan Lanning loves Oregon. That in 530 00:28:35,040 --> 00:28:36,959 Speaker 8: a few other things. I think Dan Lanning and his 531 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,560 Speaker 8: family love Eugene. You know, Dan told me one time, 532 00:28:39,600 --> 00:28:41,040 Speaker 8: He's like, you know what's kind of nice is I 533 00:28:41,080 --> 00:28:44,640 Speaker 8: can go to dinner in Eugene and you can't go 534 00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:47,080 Speaker 8: to dinner. I mean, that's something I know that resonates, 535 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:49,480 Speaker 8: you know, calling with you is like the quality of 536 00:28:49,480 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 8: life in Eugene is very good. And it's not like 537 00:28:52,160 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 8: he's not able to build a team that can go 538 00:28:55,640 --> 00:28:57,600 Speaker 8: and perform at the top end of college football and 539 00:28:57,600 --> 00:28:58,960 Speaker 8: maybe even win the national championship. 540 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,920 Speaker 4: Heck, they might win the national championship this year. 541 00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:03,680 Speaker 8: Yeah, I mean, we don't even you know, we need 542 00:29:03,720 --> 00:29:06,320 Speaker 8: to see how that team continues to develop and play 543 00:29:06,320 --> 00:29:08,800 Speaker 8: in this month of November, although they're November is going 544 00:29:08,840 --> 00:29:11,520 Speaker 8: to be pretty difficult for them. So I don't think 545 00:29:11,600 --> 00:29:14,440 Speaker 8: Dan Lanning will leave, but I think Lane will. I 546 00:29:14,440 --> 00:29:18,280 Speaker 8: think Lane is. If I had to bet Lane Kiffin 547 00:29:18,760 --> 00:29:24,960 Speaker 8: is your next coach at LSU, Wow, that's powerful. That'd 548 00:29:24,960 --> 00:29:28,400 Speaker 8: be an interesting watch, wouldn't it would be? Do you say, hey, 549 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,080 Speaker 8: let me throw this out there. I know it's just 550 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:34,240 Speaker 8: a conjecture. I think Sark works in the NFL. I 551 00:29:34,240 --> 00:29:37,280 Speaker 8: think he does. Yeah, so you said listen. Obviously he's 552 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:39,360 Speaker 8: coached there and done it successfully. When he was a 553 00:29:39,400 --> 00:29:43,000 Speaker 8: coordinator at Atlanta, he was great. Ryan Day would be 554 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,960 Speaker 8: another guys as NFL background. Remember he was on a 555 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,840 Speaker 8: couple of Chips staffs at San Francisco and in Philadelphia. 556 00:29:49,880 --> 00:29:53,560 Speaker 1: How about this argument that Texas is a great job, 557 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,440 Speaker 1: but the best jobs in the world. Texas is arguably 558 00:29:56,480 --> 00:29:59,280 Speaker 1: the best college job, but the best jobs in the 559 00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:02,760 Speaker 1: world at football our NFL jobs, when you have solid 560 00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: ownership and a star quarterback, your assist your assistance don't 561 00:30:06,560 --> 00:30:09,000 Speaker 1: leave because NFL pays more and the pensions are great 562 00:30:09,160 --> 00:30:12,200 Speaker 1: for coaches, so you can maintain a staff. You may lose, 563 00:30:12,480 --> 00:30:14,520 Speaker 1: you know, McVeigh, may lose an offensive guy once in 564 00:30:14,560 --> 00:30:16,600 Speaker 1: a while, but you can maintain a lot of your staff. 565 00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:19,920 Speaker 1: And if you've got a Bob Kraft, if you've got 566 00:30:19,960 --> 00:30:23,600 Speaker 1: a cron Key, or you've got solid ownership Steve Bushetti, 567 00:30:24,120 --> 00:30:26,240 Speaker 1: You're not gonna have a lot of turnover. I mean, 568 00:30:26,280 --> 00:30:28,960 Speaker 1: I could see Sark going and just saying, if you 569 00:30:28,960 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: you know, like Hardball left for Herbert, that was a 570 00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:35,280 Speaker 1: smart move. I could see Sark going if they blew 571 00:30:35,320 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: out Sean McDermott lose his first round of the playoffs, 572 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,920 Speaker 1: I would leave Texas for Buffalo and Josh Allen. 573 00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:47,040 Speaker 8: Right, I mean, I understand, I understand that it's certainly 574 00:30:49,720 --> 00:30:54,960 Speaker 8: I maybe more attractive, more comfortable. To your point, it's 575 00:30:54,960 --> 00:30:57,680 Speaker 8: not going to be a money issue. I will say, 576 00:30:57,680 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 8: there's two things, and I understand I live in the 577 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 8: college football space, but there's two things specifically that are 578 00:31:04,640 --> 00:31:08,240 Speaker 8: different at the college level that are not an option 579 00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:13,040 Speaker 8: at the NFL level, not an option. Number one is 580 00:31:13,080 --> 00:31:17,360 Speaker 8: that you could impact these kids' lives to a greater degree. Sure, 581 00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:19,719 Speaker 8: so you can influence these guys, and if that's something 582 00:31:19,760 --> 00:31:22,400 Speaker 8: that drives you and you're passionate about, then college is 583 00:31:22,440 --> 00:31:23,040 Speaker 8: the place for you. 584 00:31:23,120 --> 00:31:24,280 Speaker 4: I think that you would agree with that. 585 00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:24,840 Speaker 5: Yeah. 586 00:31:25,000 --> 00:31:28,040 Speaker 8: The next thing is is that in college you are 587 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:35,040 Speaker 8: the quarterback. Bill Belichick is revered and considered one of 588 00:31:35,120 --> 00:31:37,440 Speaker 8: the great coaches in the history of the NFL. And 589 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:40,280 Speaker 8: yet when we think about the Patriots in their run, 590 00:31:40,320 --> 00:31:41,600 Speaker 8: who do we bring up first? 591 00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:44,000 Speaker 4: Yeah, Brady, Tom Brady. 592 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:48,200 Speaker 8: When you think of Nick Saban's run at Alabama, revered 593 00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:50,840 Speaker 8: greatest coach in the history at college football, who do 594 00:31:50,880 --> 00:31:54,760 Speaker 8: you think of first? When I say Alabama Saban, Nick Saban. 595 00:31:55,400 --> 00:32:00,720 Speaker 8: You see, your legend status is not really available in 596 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,280 Speaker 8: the NFL. I think they view that as more career things. 597 00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:07,640 Speaker 8: Even with Andy Reid. Andy Reid, when he finally retires, Yes, 598 00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,280 Speaker 8: he's gonna be in the Hall of Fame. They might 599 00:32:09,320 --> 00:32:12,360 Speaker 8: even put a statue of him up outside of Arrowhead. 600 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:15,320 Speaker 8: What are people gonna say, though, Well, he didn't win 601 00:32:15,320 --> 00:32:18,600 Speaker 8: it without Patrick Mahomes. You see, at college you can 602 00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,200 Speaker 8: be a legend. If Ryan Day wins multiple championships at 603 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:25,840 Speaker 8: Ohio State for the rest of his life and beyond 604 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:29,400 Speaker 8: into the ages, he will always go down with Woody 605 00:32:29,440 --> 00:32:32,120 Speaker 8: Hayes as the only two guys that won multiple championships 606 00:32:32,120 --> 00:32:32,760 Speaker 8: at Ohio State. 607 00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:35,000 Speaker 1: Oh think about this. Think about how many great players 608 00:32:35,080 --> 00:32:37,480 Speaker 1: U c l A had. It's the John Wooden era. 609 00:32:37,800 --> 00:32:39,640 Speaker 4: That's right, that's exactly right. 610 00:32:39,720 --> 00:32:42,640 Speaker 1: Al Thinder and Bill Walton and like two of the two, 611 00:32:42,800 --> 00:32:45,600 Speaker 1: maybe the two best college players ever. Look at Shryzewski 612 00:32:45,680 --> 00:32:49,160 Speaker 1: and Duke. I was just gonna say, coach j Duke. 613 00:32:49,720 --> 00:32:51,920 Speaker 1: And so it comes down to the two eyes. 614 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:56,760 Speaker 8: Influence over kids and immortality that those are two things 615 00:32:56,760 --> 00:32:58,840 Speaker 8: that you don't get at the NFL level. Now, they 616 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:01,440 Speaker 8: might leave, but it would be for comfort. It would 617 00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,080 Speaker 8: be for Josh Allen. That's more comfortable, you know, that's 618 00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,000 Speaker 8: more stable. I don't have to deal with all of 619 00:33:06,000 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 8: this stuff. But if you want influence and you want immortality, 620 00:33:08,640 --> 00:33:11,600 Speaker 8: you stay in college. Yeah, I mean, I think Yukon basketball. 621 00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:13,040 Speaker 8: I think Jim Calhoun and Hurley. 622 00:33:13,360 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: There you go, and they've had sixty NBA players maybe, Yeah, 623 00:33:18,760 --> 00:33:21,080 Speaker 1: good stuff, Klatt, what a finish strong I really appreciate that. 624 00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 1: I didn't like your quarterback take, but everything else was 625 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:23,360 Speaker 1: pretty good. 626 00:33:23,640 --> 00:33:25,920 Speaker 4: I love it. I love it. Great to see you, 627 00:33:25,960 --> 00:33:26,320 Speaker 4: my man. 628 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:28,720 Speaker 1: Have a good day, all right, Joel Klapp's doing the 629 00:33:28,760 --> 00:33:31,040 Speaker 1: Penn State Ohio State game this weekend. No, that's a 630 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: good point. You can affect people's lives and you're you know, 631 00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:35,600 Speaker 1: you're more of the legend.