1 00:00:00,080 --> 00:00:03,600 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening to the best of the Odd Couple podcasts. 2 00:00:03,680 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: Be sure to check us out live every weekday from 3 00:00:06,200 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: four to seven pm Pacific seven to ten pm Eastern 4 00:00:09,560 --> 00:00:12,440 Speaker 1: on Fox Sports Radio. Find your local station for The 5 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:15,520 Speaker 1: Odd Couple on Fox Sports Radio dot com, or stream 6 00:00:15,600 --> 00:00:18,639 Speaker 1: us every day on the iHeartRadio by searching FSR. 7 00:00:19,680 --> 00:00:21,960 Speaker 2: You're listening to the best of the Odd. 8 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,840 Speaker 3: Couple, Martin. 9 00:00:25,840 --> 00:00:29,280 Speaker 1: When we had the NBA Finals, which you jumped in 10 00:00:29,320 --> 00:00:32,320 Speaker 1: a couple of times, overall, you were excited about this 11 00:00:32,360 --> 00:00:34,400 Speaker 1: from just a sports fan, from a basketball fan. You 12 00:00:34,400 --> 00:00:36,920 Speaker 1: weren't one of those blah blah NBA Finals, who's watching this? 13 00:00:37,040 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 3: You were in? Yeah, to me, shocking turn of events. 14 00:00:41,159 --> 00:00:44,280 Speaker 4: Guy who decided to try to make a living talking 15 00:00:44,320 --> 00:00:48,640 Speaker 4: about sports exact, actually excited to watch games. I know 16 00:00:48,680 --> 00:00:53,559 Speaker 4: that that is seemingly rare across society these days, more 17 00:00:53,640 --> 00:00:57,000 Speaker 4: and more increasingly so. But yeah, I was locked in. 18 00:00:57,320 --> 00:01:01,480 Speaker 4: I was interested the NBA playoffs. They're fun, that's it. 19 00:01:01,520 --> 00:01:03,880 Speaker 1: And I'm more like you, I will admit, and I've 20 00:01:03,880 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 1: said this several times in the show. It is strange, Martin. 21 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:09,680 Speaker 1: In my however, many years living, you know how it goes. 22 00:01:09,959 --> 00:01:11,880 Speaker 1: Oh man, this series is crazy. I can't believe he 23 00:01:11,959 --> 00:01:13,760 Speaker 1: took that shot. Why would they do this? Oh, they 24 00:01:13,840 --> 00:01:16,640 Speaker 1: got to get swept. I didn't get any kind of 25 00:01:16,680 --> 00:01:18,640 Speaker 1: text like that with the series. Is the strangest thing 26 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,400 Speaker 1: is normally the polar opposite, right, this guys that I 27 00:01:21,440 --> 00:01:22,839 Speaker 1: can't believe y'all think he's nice. 28 00:01:22,840 --> 00:01:25,120 Speaker 3: He's not nice, he's you get all that kind of stuff, 29 00:01:25,560 --> 00:01:26,840 Speaker 3: And I don't know if it's just because there's a 30 00:01:26,840 --> 00:01:30,240 Speaker 3: social group of fun guys, nice guys hard to hate 31 00:01:30,280 --> 00:01:33,080 Speaker 3: on no real like eat both teams like the who's 32 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:33,760 Speaker 3: the guy you hate? 33 00:01:33,800 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: Like for instance, Celtics Lakers, you might have hated KG 34 00:01:36,440 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 1: or Paul Paul Pierce is weak. I can't believe man 35 00:01:38,920 --> 00:01:41,560 Speaker 1: Kobe over there's something in there. This one was like, 36 00:01:41,920 --> 00:01:45,880 Speaker 1: even if you're going for the Pacers, you hate the Thunder. 37 00:01:45,880 --> 00:01:48,800 Speaker 1: If you were going for the Thunder, you almost like 38 00:01:48,880 --> 00:01:50,880 Speaker 1: the Celtics series. It wasn't a lot of a lot 39 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: of that. 40 00:01:51,640 --> 00:01:53,800 Speaker 3: We're getting into a dangerous territory already. 41 00:01:53,840 --> 00:01:57,120 Speaker 4: I want to start just by saying congratulations through Yoklahoma 42 00:01:57,200 --> 00:01:59,120 Speaker 4: City Thunder for winning the NBA. 43 00:01:59,200 --> 00:02:00,760 Speaker 3: Fun. Yes, that's a big thing. 44 00:02:00,800 --> 00:02:03,760 Speaker 4: Shake Gildis Alexander just chopped topped off one of the 45 00:02:03,760 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 4: most statistically historic years in terms of the hardware taking 46 00:02:08,320 --> 00:02:10,200 Speaker 4: and points scored and sold and so forth, that we'll 47 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 4: see an NBA history Ottao. I feel like we're seeing 48 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:16,280 Speaker 4: new NBA history made every given a week day, just 49 00:02:16,360 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 4: about right. If you don't like the weather, you know, 50 00:02:18,080 --> 00:02:19,880 Speaker 4: if you don't like the record, the same, same kind 51 00:02:19,919 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 4: of deal. But uh, but no, and okay, see how 52 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:25,040 Speaker 4: they're set up for the future. 53 00:02:25,080 --> 00:02:25,760 Speaker 3: We'll talk about that. 54 00:02:25,800 --> 00:02:29,600 Speaker 4: I'm sure down the line in terms of this series today, 55 00:02:30,440 --> 00:02:33,400 Speaker 4: you know, congratulations to them. I'm sure everybody in Oklahoma 56 00:02:33,440 --> 00:02:35,800 Speaker 4: City is very excited and very happy. And the fans 57 00:02:35,800 --> 00:02:39,040 Speaker 4: of them across the nation if they you know, if 58 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: they exist. But also the fans of them are in Canada. Well, 59 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,760 Speaker 4: in Canada they got a lot of them. They didn't 60 00:02:44,760 --> 00:02:46,560 Speaker 4: followed SGA and lou Dorton so on. 61 00:02:47,320 --> 00:02:47,519 Speaker 3: Uh. 62 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:50,119 Speaker 4: The reason why you didn't get a lot of those 63 00:02:50,160 --> 00:02:51,799 Speaker 4: texts is because this team is. 64 00:02:51,720 --> 00:02:56,440 Speaker 3: Boring, absolutely in a good way. There's no good way 65 00:02:56,440 --> 00:02:57,200 Speaker 3: to be boring. To me. 66 00:02:57,480 --> 00:03:00,000 Speaker 1: Well, what I mean is, if I'm the owner, I'm 67 00:03:00,040 --> 00:03:01,640 Speaker 1: don't have to I don't have to worry about player 68 00:03:01,800 --> 00:03:03,880 Speaker 1: X getting that four in the morning, call yo, well 69 00:03:03,919 --> 00:03:05,839 Speaker 1: you know he's down. He got arrested for I don't 70 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:08,400 Speaker 1: have to worry about breaking up to a tweet. They 71 00:03:08,960 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: who's on the TV right now, SGA and j Doub 72 00:03:11,080 --> 00:03:13,040 Speaker 1: going out And I can't stand you, man, You you 73 00:03:13,040 --> 00:03:15,600 Speaker 1: don't pass the ball like. They're boring in the sense 74 00:03:15,639 --> 00:03:17,320 Speaker 1: of you and you know you've been in your weight bag, 75 00:03:17,360 --> 00:03:19,040 Speaker 1: weight training bag and all that getting in the gym. 76 00:03:19,360 --> 00:03:22,160 Speaker 1: They're boring in a sense of consistency. They show up, 77 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,600 Speaker 1: they work hard, they're united, they're familiar, their their teammates, 78 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:26,399 Speaker 1: they love each other. 79 00:03:26,680 --> 00:03:29,800 Speaker 3: You get through you have forty tonight. Well instead of 80 00:03:29,880 --> 00:03:32,280 Speaker 3: just you, all eight nine, ten guys are behind you 81 00:03:32,320 --> 00:03:34,760 Speaker 3: doing the press conference as well. So that's what I mean. 82 00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 3: And boring in a good way, and that they're the 83 00:03:36,320 --> 00:03:39,720 Speaker 3: model of consistency, sportsmanship, team work, and you're just like, 84 00:03:39,800 --> 00:03:42,800 Speaker 3: well that's great, but sometimes you want some juice behind 85 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:43,320 Speaker 3: that or something. 86 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,240 Speaker 4: So I mean, it's the that's the thing. I think 87 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,840 Speaker 4: all the things that you just said about them are 88 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 4: also true of just about every team that wins a 89 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:54,480 Speaker 4: lot of games. 90 00:03:54,720 --> 00:03:57,160 Speaker 3: They like, play really hard, they'll work together. 91 00:03:57,640 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 4: Just think think about the teams in the East like 92 00:03:59,720 --> 00:04:02,520 Speaker 4: right now the Indiana Pacers is true for them. 93 00:04:03,160 --> 00:04:06,320 Speaker 1: That's what made these two teams almost identical. But we 94 00:04:06,440 --> 00:04:08,720 Speaker 1: get different teams, but you get some too. If it 95 00:04:08,760 --> 00:04:10,560 Speaker 1: was the Knicks, then I don't know what's up with Cat? 96 00:04:10,600 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 1: Why Cat ain't playing in a minute? Why is he 97 00:04:12,120 --> 00:04:13,600 Speaker 1: sitting in the four? You know, you get a little 98 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:17,080 Speaker 1: little something in there, Jalen Brounson. He's hogging too much? 99 00:04:17,120 --> 00:04:19,600 Speaker 1: Are they? You could have some stuff in there. This 100 00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:22,839 Speaker 1: team with the kumbaya on that kumbaya was one hundred, 101 00:04:22,839 --> 00:04:25,640 Speaker 1: which again, if I'm the owner, that's a great thing. 102 00:04:25,880 --> 00:04:28,840 Speaker 4: And I'm not saying again everyone in Oklahoma City should 103 00:04:28,880 --> 00:04:29,839 Speaker 4: feel great about this. 104 00:04:29,839 --> 00:04:31,240 Speaker 3: This is not a knock to them. 105 00:04:31,839 --> 00:04:34,159 Speaker 4: I was talking about me as a consumer of the 106 00:04:34,240 --> 00:04:37,320 Speaker 4: Finals because generally the way this was pitted, this is 107 00:04:37,400 --> 00:04:38,360 Speaker 4: David and Goliath. 108 00:04:38,440 --> 00:04:38,520 Speaker 5: Right. 109 00:04:38,640 --> 00:04:43,120 Speaker 4: This was the biggest potential favorite and NBA Finals history. 110 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 4: This was we haven't seen this in twenty eleven or oh, 111 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 4: two thousand and one, right, and the two series that 112 00:04:48,839 --> 00:04:54,560 Speaker 4: we remember vividly because of the way either David had 113 00:04:54,600 --> 00:04:57,680 Speaker 4: his moment in Game one liked Alan Iverson did to 114 00:04:57,680 --> 00:04:59,120 Speaker 4: step over Toronto Loo. 115 00:04:59,080 --> 00:05:02,160 Speaker 3: Which then the the rest of the years was so nondescript. 116 00:05:02,600 --> 00:05:05,320 Speaker 4: And that is the only thing, Like, no one forgets 117 00:05:05,360 --> 00:05:07,160 Speaker 4: that the Lakers won that championship. 118 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,039 Speaker 3: There's just no highlights from me. You can't name one thing. 119 00:05:10,320 --> 00:05:13,160 Speaker 3: Do you know what? I'm getting a hold in his 120 00:05:13,240 --> 00:05:14,000 Speaker 3: chest from Shack But. 121 00:05:14,720 --> 00:05:16,919 Speaker 4: I mean, but no one. I'm not saying nobody, But 122 00:05:16,920 --> 00:05:19,599 Speaker 4: you're not equating that. And the reason why you equate 123 00:05:19,640 --> 00:05:23,120 Speaker 4: that is because that was Allen Iverson's seminal moment at 124 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:25,560 Speaker 4: the biggest stage of his career, right, that was his 125 00:05:25,960 --> 00:05:29,800 Speaker 4: primary moment. But then the twenty eleven team you were 126 00:05:29,839 --> 00:05:34,240 Speaker 4: are a finals. You remember that because the the king fell, right, 127 00:05:34,360 --> 00:05:37,520 Speaker 4: the king fell to Lebron and had all the I 128 00:05:37,560 --> 00:05:41,920 Speaker 4: mean spawned. Honestly, fifteen years of takes from that one 129 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:45,920 Speaker 4: m beat was one that one set of games. Here 130 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:52,560 Speaker 4: the goliath is boring. That's the problem, like Lebron, that 131 00:05:52,560 --> 00:05:56,320 Speaker 4: that team Miami, Like we were super into Miami and 132 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:00,400 Speaker 4: Lebron and invested in that future Kobe and Shaq, even 133 00:06:00,440 --> 00:06:04,000 Speaker 4: though that finals itself was not the most interesting, Right, 134 00:06:04,080 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 4: the moment that you remember is Alan Iverson stepping over, 135 00:06:06,960 --> 00:06:09,200 Speaker 4: and that maybe the moment that you remember from this 136 00:06:09,320 --> 00:06:11,800 Speaker 4: finals is Tyres Haliburton hitting that shot in Game one? 137 00:06:12,200 --> 00:06:15,720 Speaker 4: But you were invested in what Kobe and Shaq were doing. 138 00:06:16,080 --> 00:06:19,760 Speaker 4: When I watch Shake Gildess Alexander and Chad Holmgren and 139 00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:23,520 Speaker 4: Jalen Williams, they are spursy and in a way that 140 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 4: I cannot say is complimentary. It is just like it 141 00:06:27,520 --> 00:06:31,440 Speaker 4: is a byproduct of what happens. Like everything he said 142 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:33,480 Speaker 4: is right in the consistency and so on, even though 143 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 4: if you like drill down to some of the numbers, 144 00:06:35,360 --> 00:06:37,479 Speaker 4: how consistent can they are they when you look at 145 00:06:37,480 --> 00:06:40,359 Speaker 4: their shooting percentage and so on, you're more consistency in 146 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,839 Speaker 4: terms of being stoic in personality, And so I get that. 147 00:06:44,320 --> 00:06:45,520 Speaker 3: You know what that also was? 148 00:06:45,800 --> 00:06:48,880 Speaker 4: It was boring then too, And they won five championships 149 00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:50,880 Speaker 4: in fifteen years as one of the best runs in 150 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 4: NBA history, and nobody outside of San Antonio talks about 151 00:06:55,360 --> 00:06:57,320 Speaker 4: it unless you're old at the barbershop and you say, 152 00:06:57,360 --> 00:06:59,480 Speaker 4: and all, so, Tim Duncan really had it like that. 153 00:06:59,680 --> 00:07:01,680 Speaker 3: And I agreed, Tim Duncan had it like that. 154 00:07:02,160 --> 00:07:04,080 Speaker 4: But those are not the teams that we look back 155 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,400 Speaker 4: fondly as the teams that we remember as the most 156 00:07:06,440 --> 00:07:08,000 Speaker 4: fun are great teams. 157 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:10,760 Speaker 1: Which is why I said, rob G is my witness. 158 00:07:11,440 --> 00:07:12,560 Speaker 1: Can I get a witness? 159 00:07:12,960 --> 00:07:16,679 Speaker 3: Robger? You know this, I said this prior to the finals. 160 00:07:17,200 --> 00:07:21,960 Speaker 1: I said that the person who will remember the most 161 00:07:22,000 --> 00:07:25,640 Speaker 1: throughout this postseason win loser draw was going to be 162 00:07:25,760 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: Tyrese Haliburton, And I said he was going to be 163 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,520 Speaker 1: the most memorable person from this playoffs because of a 164 00:07:32,600 --> 00:07:35,520 Speaker 1: multitude of things. And then once we got into the finals, 165 00:07:35,560 --> 00:07:39,600 Speaker 1: it only added to why I believe I'm right. Tyrese 166 00:07:39,600 --> 00:07:43,400 Speaker 1: Haliburton came into this playoffs run as the most overrated player, right, 167 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:45,360 Speaker 1: That's what his peers picked him as. And again, by 168 00:07:45,360 --> 00:07:47,360 Speaker 1: the way, that slightly, that slightly was overrated because only 169 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: fourteen people of one hundred and some, but fourteen people 170 00:07:50,240 --> 00:07:54,000 Speaker 1: is the most, so he becomes mister overrated. And also 171 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: part of that was because they started off slow and 172 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,680 Speaker 1: we weren't thinking about them. And there were other storylines 173 00:07:59,720 --> 00:08:01,560 Speaker 1: in the like the Pistons all of a sudden being 174 00:08:01,600 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 1: good and all of a sudden, what's wrong. 175 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:03,880 Speaker 3: With the Bucks? 176 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:06,000 Speaker 1: And man the Celtics can they repeat against? So there 177 00:08:06,000 --> 00:08:10,440 Speaker 1: are other storylines. So the Pacers and they weren't doing it, 178 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: although January first on they were the second best team 179 00:08:14,440 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 1: behind the Thunder. So then we get into postseason, he's 180 00:08:17,360 --> 00:08:18,160 Speaker 1: mister overrated. 181 00:08:18,200 --> 00:08:18,600 Speaker 3: What does he do? 182 00:08:18,800 --> 00:08:21,360 Speaker 1: He knocks off the Bucks. He knocks them off a 183 00:08:21,440 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: couple of game winners. Nice plays, good games. Bam, Pops 184 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 1: is walling. Pop's getting into it with Giannis as they 185 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:29,880 Speaker 1: close out that series. So now Halliburton have to get 186 00:08:29,920 --> 00:08:31,560 Speaker 1: on the podium. Your dad was tripping a little bit. 187 00:08:31,640 --> 00:08:34,240 Speaker 1: Dad was overreacting, you know. So now he's again, he's 188 00:08:34,240 --> 00:08:36,680 Speaker 1: becoming the topic of conversation. Dang, he can't be over ready. 189 00:08:36,679 --> 00:08:39,000 Speaker 1: He just knocked out Jannis and them. Oh, and he's 190 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,160 Speaker 1: you know, got the issues with Pops. Pops is cool. 191 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,080 Speaker 1: Kick Pops out, man, let Pops live. We're debating it. 192 00:08:44,080 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 1: We're having conversations even on this show. Then he goes 193 00:08:46,679 --> 00:08:48,880 Speaker 1: into the next series and the number one seed in 194 00:08:48,880 --> 00:08:50,679 Speaker 1: the East, Cleveland. This is about to be their year. 195 00:08:50,760 --> 00:08:53,760 Speaker 1: Finally we did it without Lebron and nope, you got Halliburton. 196 00:08:53,800 --> 00:08:56,640 Speaker 1: They come back multiple times down fifteen. He has another 197 00:08:56,679 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 1: couple of clutch games, hitting big shots were like, man, 198 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,040 Speaker 1: this dude, how can we overrated? He might be underrated? 199 00:09:02,400 --> 00:09:05,079 Speaker 1: Then they go up against the Knicks. We already know 200 00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:09,000 Speaker 1: what happened, big comeback, fourteen, down fourteen, boom and he 201 00:09:09,080 --> 00:09:10,760 Speaker 1: hits the shot, does the choke again. 202 00:09:10,840 --> 00:09:12,120 Speaker 3: Halliburton is the star of this. 203 00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,600 Speaker 1: Now we get into the finals, Martin, and he hits 204 00:09:14,640 --> 00:09:17,360 Speaker 1: the game winner game one alli as you mentioned, Alan Iverson, 205 00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:21,280 Speaker 1: and so they are down forty eight of forty seven 206 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:24,160 Speaker 1: and fifty what six seconds or whatever it was, nine 207 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:28,200 Speaker 1: second point three whatever remaining, hits that game winner, and 208 00:09:28,240 --> 00:09:31,320 Speaker 1: then throughout he's injured, but he's playing good game, bad game. 209 00:09:31,320 --> 00:09:33,280 Speaker 1: We're still talking about him. We care he didn't show up, 210 00:09:33,280 --> 00:09:35,400 Speaker 1: he only had. He was zero for four in game five. 211 00:09:35,880 --> 00:09:38,679 Speaker 1: We have all these conversations, and finally was a Shakespearean 212 00:09:39,520 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: ending to his season. Should he play? Shouldn't he plays? 213 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:44,520 Speaker 1: Game six plays well, they win, They get into seven. 214 00:09:44,559 --> 00:09:45,320 Speaker 1: He starts off hot. 215 00:09:45,360 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 3: You saw it three or four three, you're thinking, oh, shoot, 216 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:50,280 Speaker 3: is he really about to pull this off? Bam to Achilles, 217 00:09:50,320 --> 00:09:53,760 Speaker 3: Pops and to me for everything I just mentioned. 218 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,920 Speaker 1: He's the star of this, even in a loss like 219 00:09:57,000 --> 00:10:03,280 Speaker 1: we're gonna remember that Halliburton run twenty the thunder, whereas 220 00:10:03,280 --> 00:10:05,880 Speaker 1: I said, man, anytime I stopping the barber shop five years, 221 00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:06,360 Speaker 1: ten year twin. 222 00:10:06,480 --> 00:10:09,439 Speaker 3: Remember that Halliburton run Bruh was out there. 223 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:12,160 Speaker 1: That was a crazy, crazy playoff run, and I just 224 00:10:12,160 --> 00:10:14,280 Speaker 1: think he ended up. I said this, you know what 225 00:10:14,320 --> 00:10:16,320 Speaker 1: two and a half three weeks ago, and to me 226 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:18,719 Speaker 1: it ended that way. Even though SGA gets to win 227 00:10:18,760 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: as the MVP and the Thunder get to win and 228 00:10:20,960 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: get their title, I still think Hallibert ended up just 229 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,800 Speaker 1: stealing all the headlines and the juice and the storylines 230 00:10:26,000 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: from this postseason and with you, as you mentioned, even 231 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: though congrats to the Thunder. 232 00:10:30,600 --> 00:10:34,040 Speaker 4: I think that you have I think two things have 233 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:37,400 Speaker 4: to happen for your thing to be all the way true. Okay, 234 00:10:38,000 --> 00:10:42,440 Speaker 4: the first are one thing has to not happen. Okase, 235 00:10:42,480 --> 00:10:45,240 Speaker 4: he can't go back and win multiple titles, because if 236 00:10:45,280 --> 00:10:47,480 Speaker 4: they if they go back and win multiple titles, the 237 00:10:47,480 --> 00:10:48,760 Speaker 4: way that a lot of people who have the same 238 00:10:48,840 --> 00:10:52,240 Speaker 4: govern me have been saying all day, then this will 239 00:10:52,240 --> 00:10:54,920 Speaker 4: get erased to the history of this. It will be 240 00:10:55,040 --> 00:10:58,520 Speaker 4: chapter one of a book in NBA history, right, So 241 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:02,400 Speaker 4: it won't be the memories of Halliburton. We'll see those 242 00:11:02,400 --> 00:11:05,160 Speaker 4: shots every playoff, but it won't be like it'll be 243 00:11:05,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 4: like the way that you show those uh montages and commercials. Right, 244 00:11:08,920 --> 00:11:11,480 Speaker 4: we'll remember like the moment, but it won't be in 245 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:14,920 Speaker 4: the context, won't be there because it'll be what is it, 246 00:11:15,040 --> 00:11:17,520 Speaker 4: the birth of the Juggernaut. Maybe maybe that's the memory 247 00:11:17,520 --> 00:11:19,959 Speaker 4: of it also too. The thing that has to happen, 248 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:23,280 Speaker 4: absolutely has to happen, is Tyre's Halliburton has to play 249 00:11:23,320 --> 00:11:24,240 Speaker 4: at a high level again. 250 00:11:24,440 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 3: And I'm not saying that he won't. 251 00:11:25,720 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 4: I don't think that's an unlikely scenario, but I do 252 00:11:28,840 --> 00:11:31,840 Speaker 4: think that it is likely are more likely than not 253 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 4: that the Pacers have it. 254 00:11:35,000 --> 00:11:37,679 Speaker 3: It's really hard to get to the the NBA. 255 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:40,920 Speaker 1: Final, especially nowadays with all these he keeps flopping every year. 256 00:11:40,920 --> 00:11:43,319 Speaker 1: It's not like you have a Juggernaut Lakers Warriors, We're 257 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: going every year. We all knew it from the beginning 258 00:11:44,880 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 1: of the season. 259 00:11:45,679 --> 00:11:49,040 Speaker 4: We talk about seven unique champions in the last seven years. 260 00:11:49,400 --> 00:11:52,160 Speaker 3: Look at the final four of the that's. 261 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:56,160 Speaker 4: Also a lot of the unusual suspects. It's hard to 262 00:11:56,160 --> 00:11:58,960 Speaker 4: get back to this spot. So I think without more 263 00:11:59,640 --> 00:12:04,040 Speaker 4: playoff experience, I wonder how much you know he becomes 264 00:12:04,080 --> 00:12:07,240 Speaker 4: a the reason iverson We know that moment because he's 265 00:12:07,280 --> 00:12:08,240 Speaker 4: a hall of famer. 266 00:12:08,600 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 3: Right, Like, that's why it lasts. 267 00:12:11,320 --> 00:12:13,440 Speaker 4: There's a ton of guys with a ton of playoff 268 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 4: moments that are kind of just lost to the story 269 00:12:16,080 --> 00:12:17,880 Speaker 4: of others along the way. 270 00:12:18,320 --> 00:12:20,079 Speaker 1: The only I hear what you're saying. I agree with 271 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:23,720 Speaker 1: the first point, but I do believe he did so much. 272 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:26,880 Speaker 1: If he had a shot, two shots, or a comeback 273 00:12:27,080 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: or one or two. He had comebacks. He had game winner, 274 00:12:30,400 --> 00:12:33,720 Speaker 1: literal game winner at the buzzers, I mean, he had everything. 275 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:34,800 Speaker 3: I think people. 276 00:12:34,520 --> 00:12:36,839 Speaker 4: Remember it like people remember like remember that Kember run, 277 00:12:37,280 --> 00:12:39,160 Speaker 4: do you know? But I wonder how many people remember 278 00:12:39,200 --> 00:12:41,680 Speaker 4: how it ended. I think it'll be more of a 279 00:12:41,760 --> 00:12:46,840 Speaker 4: Reggie Miller choke. Ironically, enough, pacers meeting will always remember that. Finally, 280 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 4: that's for sure. 281 00:12:47,880 --> 00:12:50,760 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 282 00:12:50,800 --> 00:12:54,160 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 283 00:12:54,320 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app search FSR to 284 00:12:58,520 --> 00:12:59,120 Speaker 2: listen live. 285 00:12:59,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 3: I've said that. 286 00:13:02,280 --> 00:13:04,320 Speaker 1: I am a firm believer and when you got a shot, 287 00:13:04,320 --> 00:13:08,800 Speaker 1: you gotta go for it, especially in this case of Halliburton. 288 00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:11,400 Speaker 1: Tyre's Halliburton with the injury, we knew he had the 289 00:13:11,440 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: right calf strain and we didn't know the severity. Could 290 00:13:13,800 --> 00:13:15,640 Speaker 1: he play? Couldn't he play? I was always to the 291 00:13:15,679 --> 00:13:17,640 Speaker 1: mind you gotta play man. Game six was when we 292 00:13:17,640 --> 00:13:20,400 Speaker 1: were questioning it because, dude, as you've even mentioned we 293 00:13:20,400 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: talked about earlier, you never know, you feel like, man, 294 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:24,800 Speaker 1: I'm young, we had a good team, but you never 295 00:13:24,880 --> 00:13:27,439 Speaker 1: know if you're gonna make it back. And so you 296 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,320 Speaker 1: got a shot to win it, you go for it. 297 00:13:29,360 --> 00:13:32,040 Speaker 1: And we had guests on throughout that week, and all 298 00:13:32,080 --> 00:13:37,319 Speaker 1: the ex professional athletes agree that you gotta go for it, man, 299 00:13:37,360 --> 00:13:40,160 Speaker 1: and that their minds are wired differently, like that's part 300 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:42,280 Speaker 1: of what makes your professional athletes. You're kind of crazy, 301 00:13:42,320 --> 00:13:44,840 Speaker 1: you're kind of psychotic about what you do. So to me, 302 00:13:45,440 --> 00:13:47,880 Speaker 1: I've always felt that was the right thing to do. 303 00:13:47,960 --> 00:13:49,280 Speaker 1: You go for it, you give it your best. And 304 00:13:49,320 --> 00:13:52,040 Speaker 1: I know he's hurt now, but dude, you had a shot. 305 00:13:52,559 --> 00:13:54,640 Speaker 1: You hit a few threes in the first quarter Game seven, 306 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:57,040 Speaker 1: NBA Finals, don't you don't get injury, you mess around 307 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,079 Speaker 1: to win it. It's a historical moment, you go down 308 00:13:59,120 --> 00:14:01,320 Speaker 1: in history. I didn't get a chance to hear your 309 00:14:01,360 --> 00:14:03,720 Speaker 1: thoughts on should he have played that? He ruin it 310 00:14:03,760 --> 00:14:05,440 Speaker 1: now for himself for the Pacers. Look like he's gonna 311 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:06,760 Speaker 1: be all out all of next season. 312 00:14:06,800 --> 00:14:09,800 Speaker 4: I mean, ruin it for the Pacers, like crime a 313 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,520 Speaker 4: river for the team like at that point, Like I mean, 314 00:14:12,559 --> 00:14:16,199 Speaker 4: obviously I feel for his teammates, and I'm not saying that, 315 00:14:16,240 --> 00:14:19,200 Speaker 4: but the idea, like you hear the announcer be like, well, 316 00:14:19,200 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 4: if you're Indiana, this one really hurts. No, it really 317 00:14:21,720 --> 00:14:24,680 Speaker 4: hurt Tyree Talliburton as you saw him with his towel 318 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:29,160 Speaker 4: over his head. Devastating moment obviously, and one that I 319 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 4: think we just also true a Jason Tatum. You see 320 00:14:33,240 --> 00:14:36,160 Speaker 4: the reaction and it's less about the pain and more 321 00:14:36,200 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 4: of the knowledge of I know what just happened, right, 322 00:14:39,440 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 4: And it's one of those things that we see, like 323 00:14:42,880 --> 00:14:45,000 Speaker 4: we see that reaction for those guys because they know 324 00:14:45,920 --> 00:14:47,960 Speaker 4: in that moment they look back, somebody kicked me. There's 325 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 4: nobody there, and obviously it's a basketball tragedy of sorts. 326 00:14:53,480 --> 00:14:58,280 Speaker 4: But I you have I'm not saying he has to play, 327 00:14:58,320 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 4: I think, but as a person who sits, who has 328 00:15:00,760 --> 00:15:02,960 Speaker 4: never been a man in the arena, who has never 329 00:15:03,040 --> 00:15:06,280 Speaker 4: been nobody ever wanted me to play nothing worth it? 330 00:15:06,360 --> 00:15:08,240 Speaker 4: You know what I mean, like that's the. 331 00:15:08,200 --> 00:15:10,880 Speaker 3: Way I'll arn. You gotta do it. You gotta do it. 332 00:15:10,760 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 4: Like nobody ever was, Like nobody ever told me I 333 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:15,920 Speaker 4: gotta go gut something out or anything of that nature. 334 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 4: Now I would have been willing to, but nobody ever 335 00:15:19,000 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 4: wanted me to. And that shows you like the ability 336 00:15:21,400 --> 00:15:23,200 Speaker 4: that I had, and it shows you that obviously there's 337 00:15:23,200 --> 00:15:25,600 Speaker 4: the reason why I'm doing this and not that. But 338 00:15:25,960 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 4: I cannot fathom being forty eight minutes away or forty 339 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:36,320 Speaker 4: eight times to two games away from what I've dreamt about. 340 00:15:36,160 --> 00:15:40,640 Speaker 3: My entire life and not going full bore as hard 341 00:15:40,680 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 3: as I could, as much as I could. 342 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 4: And an achilles tear is something like it is less 343 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,880 Speaker 4: of a like the calf strain. I just say from 344 00:15:48,880 --> 00:15:51,680 Speaker 4: what I've heard, and again because when my strain my calf, 345 00:15:51,760 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 4: nobody cares, right, so I don't have to. But like 346 00:15:54,680 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 4: your girl cares, don't do that to her, Okay, so 347 00:15:56,680 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 4: one person cares, right, two people tupac right. 348 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,280 Speaker 3: Anyway, nobody else cares. 349 00:16:04,040 --> 00:16:07,240 Speaker 4: When you're in that spot, Like, I can't imagine not 350 00:16:07,320 --> 00:16:09,240 Speaker 4: doing everything I could to try to play, not doing 351 00:16:09,240 --> 00:16:11,840 Speaker 4: everything I could to be out there, and especially after 352 00:16:12,080 --> 00:16:14,120 Speaker 4: the success that I had in Game six, I would 353 00:16:14,160 --> 00:16:16,480 Speaker 4: have expected to have more in game seven. Part of 354 00:16:16,520 --> 00:16:18,640 Speaker 4: me wonders if that's what happened. He went out Game 355 00:16:18,680 --> 00:16:21,440 Speaker 4: six felt good, like was tentative, and it was like 356 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 4: his Game seven, I gotta go all the way, go 357 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:26,760 Speaker 4: full bore. But this is like a hamstring. When you 358 00:16:26,800 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 4: hurt your hamstring, you can't even use the restroom properly, 359 00:16:29,480 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 4: like everything, yes, every week, and your lower body is 360 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:37,000 Speaker 4: hurts and is unavailable. This calf thing, apparently it's something 361 00:16:37,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 4: that it don't get me wrong, It hurts you, but 362 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:40,320 Speaker 4: you can still run, you can still and it's a 363 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 4: it's just Bill Belichick said it, and I thought it 364 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,480 Speaker 4: was one of the if I knew what play guys 365 00:16:46,480 --> 00:16:47,920 Speaker 4: were gonna get hurt on I take him. 366 00:16:47,840 --> 00:16:51,080 Speaker 3: Out to play before. But you just don't know, you don't. 367 00:16:51,280 --> 00:16:54,040 Speaker 3: And then you see what he was doing right, three 368 00:16:54,200 --> 00:16:57,120 Speaker 3: three pointers in the first quarter, and he's feeling like, dude, 369 00:16:57,120 --> 00:16:58,600 Speaker 3: this is about to be one of the most epic 370 00:16:58,680 --> 00:16:59,920 Speaker 3: runs nobody saw us come. 371 00:17:00,040 --> 00:17:03,040 Speaker 1: And we're got the number one team, you know, back, 372 00:17:03,240 --> 00:17:05,880 Speaker 1: you know, backed against the wall, and this seven. 373 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:07,840 Speaker 4: Game one big game, had not had a big game 374 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 4: to that point, just right, the big shot in game one, 375 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:11,800 Speaker 4: and that even that game wasn't great, he just as 376 00:17:11,840 --> 00:17:14,119 Speaker 4: you mentioned, made that big shot and this can be 377 00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:16,640 Speaker 4: my moment already off to nine points, might mess around 378 00:17:16,640 --> 00:17:18,439 Speaker 4: and drop a forty piece on them and a you 379 00:17:18,480 --> 00:17:20,240 Speaker 4: know in a in a win and a clutch game 380 00:17:20,280 --> 00:17:21,480 Speaker 4: seven win. 381 00:17:21,560 --> 00:17:23,040 Speaker 1: We won two games in a row to finish this 382 00:17:23,080 --> 00:17:25,440 Speaker 1: thing off. There he was on his way. But I 383 00:17:26,040 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 1: completely you have to play this thing out. I mean this, 384 00:17:29,080 --> 00:17:32,919 Speaker 1: first of all, it's a short lifespan anyway, being a 385 00:17:32,920 --> 00:17:37,119 Speaker 1: professional athlete. And we assume, like we look at Lebron mcgoeol, Lebron, man, 386 00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,560 Speaker 1: it's great, Chris Paul, you know, almost twenty year dude. 387 00:17:40,560 --> 00:17:44,160 Speaker 1: That's those are the abnormal ones. Yes, most guys are. Man, 388 00:17:44,200 --> 00:17:46,360 Speaker 1: I got a good four to six year run, had 389 00:17:46,400 --> 00:17:48,520 Speaker 1: a good time of pro. Now I'm doing radio somewhere, 390 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:50,720 Speaker 1: I'm doing local news somewhere with the city I played 391 00:17:50,720 --> 00:17:52,359 Speaker 1: for a year or two, or I'm a you know, 392 00:17:52,800 --> 00:17:55,720 Speaker 1: doing some college basketball, or I'm just back home now 393 00:17:55,760 --> 00:18:00,560 Speaker 1: doing whatever. Like that's the that's more normal, not going 394 00:18:00,560 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 1: twenty something years like Lebron, Vince Carter, long career like 395 00:18:04,480 --> 00:18:07,239 Speaker 1: Kevin Durant, Steph Curry's guys, that's the more normal thing 396 00:18:07,240 --> 00:18:09,480 Speaker 1: because you had a nice four three four year, five 397 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:11,560 Speaker 1: year run. So point is, you want to give it 398 00:18:11,600 --> 00:18:13,639 Speaker 1: all you can and get it absolutely, try to have 399 00:18:13,680 --> 00:18:17,359 Speaker 1: those magical moments like Tyree sealerburn. Now I still stand 400 00:18:17,400 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: on this. I think the reason why we were seeing 401 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320 Speaker 1: all these young guys twenty two, twenty three, twenty four 402 00:18:22,320 --> 00:18:25,520 Speaker 1: to twenty five went through these catastrophic injuries or never 403 00:18:25,600 --> 00:18:28,920 Speaker 1: quite being right. I still believe that they're playing too 404 00:18:29,000 --> 00:18:32,440 Speaker 1: much basketball since they were four and five years old. Dude, 405 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:33,800 Speaker 1: I have for you know, I'm at the age nine 406 00:18:33,960 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: kids too. It's insane how much basketball they played at 407 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:40,280 Speaker 1: six years old. Mark, what we didn't You didn't get 408 00:18:40,320 --> 00:18:41,960 Speaker 1: on the team, so you were like eight, nine ten. 409 00:18:42,320 --> 00:18:44,439 Speaker 1: These kids are playing and I mean I was coaching 410 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: my daughter Martin at four. It was a four and 411 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,200 Speaker 1: five year league. Referees scoreboards at four and five years old? 412 00:18:51,200 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 3: What are we doing? 413 00:18:52,320 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 4: Like I played, I remember playing rec ball growing up, 414 00:18:54,560 --> 00:18:57,320 Speaker 4: but like I only played on one AAU team. Right 415 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,160 Speaker 4: Like to the point, these guys who were really really good, 416 00:19:00,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 4: they're playing and just even in the pro level. 417 00:19:02,680 --> 00:19:05,240 Speaker 3: Holliburton played all summer in France. Right. 418 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,960 Speaker 4: I know he's ot on the bench, but you practice, 419 00:19:08,000 --> 00:19:10,280 Speaker 4: you had to play yep, right exactly. But to this point, 420 00:19:10,320 --> 00:19:13,760 Speaker 4: I have an interesting take that maybe we should talk 421 00:19:13,800 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 4: about top. 422 00:19:14,320 --> 00:19:14,760 Speaker 3: Of next hour. 423 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:16,840 Speaker 1: Yes, well, I want to hear it. And just to 424 00:19:16,840 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: put it why you saved that, Just to put a 425 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,439 Speaker 1: button on it. Man, I've said this to Rob. I 426 00:19:20,440 --> 00:19:24,040 Speaker 1: think that's why all these top picks, Man, LaMelo, Lonzo Ball, 427 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:24,720 Speaker 1: both Ball brothers. 428 00:19:24,760 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 3: We know how much they played. 429 00:19:26,359 --> 00:19:30,040 Speaker 1: You're looking at Zion play, Griffin, Benson's all these guys 430 00:19:30,040 --> 00:19:32,399 Speaker 1: who've come out and it's been nicked up at injury 431 00:19:32,640 --> 00:19:33,399 Speaker 1: for so long. 432 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 3: I think that has something to do with it. 433 00:19:35,000 --> 00:19:37,879 Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio has the best sports talk lineup in 434 00:19:37,920 --> 00:19:41,280 Speaker 2: the nation. Catch all of our shows at Foxsports Radio 435 00:19:41,400 --> 00:19:45,480 Speaker 2: dot com and within the iHeartRadio app. Search FSR to 436 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:46,280 Speaker 2: listen live. 437 00:19:46,960 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: And we are joined now by our buddy, hardest working 438 00:19:50,240 --> 00:19:53,720 Speaker 1: man in the business, Antonio Daniel's NBA Champ Series six 439 00:19:53,800 --> 00:19:56,560 Speaker 1: M NBA Radio, New Orleans, Pelicans. Fox Sports Radio NBA 440 00:19:56,640 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: analysts A Daniels thirty three on x A D. 441 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:03,560 Speaker 5: What's up, Calvin? What's up? Brother? What's up? Martin? How 442 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:08,080 Speaker 5: you guys doing good. You I bless man, truly blessed. 443 00:20:08,320 --> 00:20:10,960 Speaker 1: Well, you know what, First off, Steve, by the way, 444 00:20:11,000 --> 00:20:13,520 Speaker 1: Steve Sager was just telling us a sixteen something million 445 00:20:13,720 --> 00:20:16,480 Speaker 1: so everybody tuning in to see a Game seven in 446 00:20:16,560 --> 00:20:19,480 Speaker 1: the NBA Finals, first we had since that twenty sixteen. 447 00:20:19,800 --> 00:20:21,760 Speaker 1: But I just wouldn't talk a couple of things from 448 00:20:21,840 --> 00:20:24,600 Speaker 1: that one. I want to start with just Tyre's Halliburton, 449 00:20:24,640 --> 00:20:27,080 Speaker 1: the injury. We never want to see it. You and 450 00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:29,720 Speaker 1: I had the conversation with Rob last week, and you 451 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 1: were on my side of man going into game six, 452 00:20:32,480 --> 00:20:34,480 Speaker 1: you gotta play, you gotta go for it. 453 00:20:34,560 --> 00:20:34,920 Speaker 3: He does. 454 00:20:34,960 --> 00:20:37,440 Speaker 1: They play well, they win big game for them, least 455 00:20:37,480 --> 00:20:40,680 Speaker 1: in Game seven. But this is just part of sports, right, 456 00:20:40,720 --> 00:20:43,159 Speaker 1: This is I remember Isaiah Thomas tearing his ankle up 457 00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:45,840 Speaker 1: and Game six and eighty eight finals. Had he not, 458 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,880 Speaker 1: maybe they win in beat the Lakers in eighty eight. 459 00:20:48,280 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: We already know what happened with Kevin Love and Kyrie 460 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:53,159 Speaker 1: and Kevin Durant in twenty was at twenty eighteen, nineteen, 461 00:20:53,200 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 1: twenty nineteen. Kevin Durant goes down to the worst. These 462 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 1: things happened, but he played it right by playing in 463 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:01,600 Speaker 1: game six in games right, Yeah. 464 00:21:01,680 --> 00:21:04,879 Speaker 5: I mean the thing is, hindsight's always twenty twenty. You know, 465 00:21:05,000 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 5: after the fact, everybody can say, well, you know what 466 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 5: he shouldn't have or whatever it may be. And I 467 00:21:09,760 --> 00:21:13,120 Speaker 5: think about it like this, you know, can you think 468 00:21:13,119 --> 00:21:15,440 Speaker 5: about what people would have said about Teresa Halliburton had 469 00:21:15,440 --> 00:21:17,560 Speaker 5: he chose not to sit out and chose not to 470 00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:18,680 Speaker 5: play in game six and seven? 471 00:21:19,119 --> 00:21:23,879 Speaker 1: Oh sure, he's weak, codyed Man up, be tough. 472 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:27,360 Speaker 5: Yes, exactly so A lot of times, and I think 473 00:21:27,400 --> 00:21:29,840 Speaker 5: this is a this is we talked about this on ourselves. 474 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,600 Speaker 5: That's some show today. It's a problem with social media. No, 475 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,120 Speaker 5: I'm not blaming the fans, but I'm just saying in general, 476 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:39,399 Speaker 5: I think a lot of times guys won't do what's 477 00:21:39,440 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 5: best for themselves because they're worried about what they're going 478 00:21:42,160 --> 00:21:43,640 Speaker 5: to hear about themselves that they do. 479 00:21:44,320 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 4: Right. 480 00:21:44,840 --> 00:21:48,240 Speaker 5: So, Terse Haliburton, when he got injured in game five, 481 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,960 Speaker 5: went to Rick Carlisle and said, you know what, listen, 482 00:21:52,600 --> 00:21:55,399 Speaker 5: just go I trust these guys. Let's go ahead and 483 00:21:55,480 --> 00:21:57,280 Speaker 5: let the finish with these guys. I don't want to 484 00:21:57,359 --> 00:22:00,520 Speaker 5: risk my long term health and possibly rupture of my 485 00:22:00,600 --> 00:22:04,160 Speaker 5: Achilles and missing all of next year, right, even though 486 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,200 Speaker 5: it may have been the right decision. Can you imagine 487 00:22:06,240 --> 00:22:08,200 Speaker 5: the narrative that would have surrounded thereis Aliburton. 488 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,080 Speaker 4: Can you imagine carl shut him down. If Carlas would 489 00:22:12,119 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 4: have to come out and say I want to play, 490 00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:15,440 Speaker 4: Haliver would have said I want to play, and it 491 00:22:15,440 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 4: would have to have been an organization. 492 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:19,119 Speaker 3: That's the only way it plays. 493 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:21,960 Speaker 5: But here's the thing that the players always have the 494 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:25,719 Speaker 5: final say. That's why it's called the player empowerment movement. 495 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 5: It's not called the organizational empowerment movement, or the coach 496 00:22:29,840 --> 00:22:33,720 Speaker 5: empowerment movement, or the training staff empowerment movement. It's called 497 00:22:33,760 --> 00:22:37,480 Speaker 5: the player empowerment movement because the player, especially the star player, 498 00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:41,200 Speaker 5: there's not a person in the organization that has more 499 00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:45,720 Speaker 5: power than a star player who's the most powerful entity 500 00:22:45,960 --> 00:22:50,120 Speaker 5: with the Golden State Warriors, that no question about it. 501 00:22:50,280 --> 00:22:52,320 Speaker 5: So he can get Steve kirkfrared if you want to. 502 00:22:52,520 --> 00:22:54,919 Speaker 5: He can get Draymond Green traded if you want to. 503 00:22:55,160 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 5: But you're telling me he doesn't have the final right 504 00:22:57,160 --> 00:22:59,240 Speaker 5: of refusal or whether or not he wants to play 505 00:22:59,320 --> 00:22:59,480 Speaker 5: or not. 506 00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:03,959 Speaker 4: So Antonio, I gotta ask you Antonio Daniel's joining us, 507 00:23:04,000 --> 00:23:06,560 Speaker 4: And I know you just asked me a question, but 508 00:23:06,640 --> 00:23:09,920 Speaker 4: I do We did have the Game seven. They've played 509 00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:12,480 Speaker 4: three World quarters in O case, he won the championship. 510 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:15,880 Speaker 4: I know that gets lost in the wash here unfortunately 511 00:23:15,960 --> 00:23:18,240 Speaker 4: for them. But you said something in your answer just 512 00:23:18,280 --> 00:23:21,119 Speaker 4: now that that triggered me. The Oregon you said is 513 00:23:21,119 --> 00:23:25,720 Speaker 4: the player and powerer movement right now? Do you still 514 00:23:25,800 --> 00:23:28,439 Speaker 4: think that's true in terms of way the CBA and 515 00:23:28,480 --> 00:23:31,159 Speaker 4: all this is going. Where I say that because you 516 00:23:31,200 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 4: look at the Oklahoma City Thunder, you look at the 517 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 4: way they are being championed right now. Are should say 518 00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:41,200 Speaker 4: they are being celebrated right now because they lifted the championship. 519 00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:44,080 Speaker 4: But it's the idea of they built this thing up 520 00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,720 Speaker 4: from the ground up, using their picks and a little 521 00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:50,000 Speaker 4: lottery luck with chet and drafting J dub and find 522 00:23:50,040 --> 00:23:53,000 Speaker 4: you know, and i'd building this roster route. And in 523 00:23:53,040 --> 00:23:55,040 Speaker 4: the same breath as we talk about how good this 524 00:23:55,080 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 4: team is or how great this team is, depending on 525 00:23:56,840 --> 00:23:59,000 Speaker 4: how you look at them, it's also this team super 526 00:23:59,000 --> 00:24:01,239 Speaker 4: set up for the future as well. Do you are 527 00:24:01,280 --> 00:24:04,240 Speaker 4: we moving into a different vision of things in terms 528 00:24:04,320 --> 00:24:05,680 Speaker 4: of player empowerment. 529 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:09,000 Speaker 5: No, because I mean the thing is, as long as 530 00:24:09,200 --> 00:24:12,040 Speaker 5: players are getting paid what they're getting paid, they give 531 00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:15,439 Speaker 5: us Alexander's about to be super mix out. You know 532 00:24:15,880 --> 00:24:19,159 Speaker 5: that's not going to change. Like I get exactly what 533 00:24:19,200 --> 00:24:22,560 Speaker 5: you're saying, Martin. You know, the thing that will change 534 00:24:23,080 --> 00:24:28,679 Speaker 5: is the structure of roster construction. That's what it changed. 535 00:24:28,800 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 5: If you remember last year, everybody tried to be Boston. 536 00:24:32,119 --> 00:24:35,400 Speaker 5: Everybody wanted to shoot three. Okay, well what Boston did? 537 00:24:35,560 --> 00:24:37,919 Speaker 5: They got a fifty perdees a game, So that seems 538 00:24:37,920 --> 00:24:40,720 Speaker 5: to be the way to success, So everybody start doing that. 539 00:24:40,880 --> 00:24:43,160 Speaker 5: I can tell you what I know now and watching 540 00:24:43,520 --> 00:24:48,200 Speaker 5: this year and watching the finals. The king of the 541 00:24:48,320 --> 00:24:53,359 Speaker 5: NBA right now, the overall king. Nothing matters more in 542 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:58,320 Speaker 5: the NBA than versatility. Versatility is king and depth is queen. 543 00:24:59,440 --> 00:25:02,640 Speaker 5: That's how it is now. Right you remember last year, 544 00:25:02,880 --> 00:25:04,879 Speaker 5: no one talked about that because I've been old. With 545 00:25:05,160 --> 00:25:08,440 Speaker 5: freeze analytics, we get up more threes than their twos. 546 00:25:08,720 --> 00:25:13,400 Speaker 5: Right now, versatility's king and depth is queen. That's how 547 00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 5: it looks. Because if you look at why Oklahoma City 548 00:25:16,640 --> 00:25:20,119 Speaker 5: was successful all year long, the reason that Indiana was 549 00:25:20,160 --> 00:25:24,160 Speaker 5: successful is because they came in waves, they came in ways. 550 00:25:24,280 --> 00:25:26,960 Speaker 5: It wasn't about one or two players. I said before 551 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:30,920 Speaker 5: this year started, I no longer believe and we'll get 552 00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:35,200 Speaker 5: behind teams that are skipping steps with all doers. Meg 553 00:25:35,680 --> 00:25:38,440 Speaker 5: Kevin Durant is one of my favorite players of all time. 554 00:25:38,760 --> 00:25:42,680 Speaker 5: But I disliked what Houston did. I DiscId what they did. 555 00:25:42,880 --> 00:25:44,359 Speaker 1: We were about to go there next, So that was 556 00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 1: gonna be the question. Just you know, hey, it's not finalized. 557 00:25:47,160 --> 00:25:48,720 Speaker 1: What looks like this is going to be the case. 558 00:25:49,359 --> 00:25:51,200 Speaker 1: I loved I've loved it for a couple of weeks. 559 00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:52,800 Speaker 1: I've been saying this. I thought it was a perfect fit. 560 00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:54,160 Speaker 1: You say, no, why is that? 561 00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 5: Because Okay, let me ask you a question. When is 562 00:25:58,000 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 5: the last championship team to go big game hunting and 563 00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 5: for it to payoff. 564 00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:06,360 Speaker 3: I'm trying to actually think. 565 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 4: I was about to say the twenty twenty Lakers, Andy. 566 00:26:10,160 --> 00:26:14,320 Speaker 5: Davis, right, But if you look at these champions, they 567 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,520 Speaker 5: are winning because they're going after guys that understand their roles. 568 00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:22,520 Speaker 5: The Drew Holidays, the Derek Wrights, the PJ. Tuckers, the 569 00:26:22,600 --> 00:26:27,600 Speaker 5: Alex Crusoe's, the Isaiah Hartensteins, these kind of guys. But 570 00:26:28,119 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 5: I don't believe in skippy steps ADKD. 571 00:26:32,200 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: Maybe KD is not Kevin Durant of old, meaning maybe 572 00:26:34,760 --> 00:26:37,280 Speaker 1: he is just a cog in this thing a piece. 573 00:26:37,320 --> 00:26:39,280 Speaker 1: I mean, this isn't eight years ago where you had 574 00:26:39,320 --> 00:26:40,200 Speaker 1: a different expectation. 575 00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:41,800 Speaker 3: If you're the Warriors, this one A man. 576 00:26:41,960 --> 00:26:43,920 Speaker 1: Just come here, some midrangees, some threes, give us twenty 577 00:26:43,920 --> 00:26:45,600 Speaker 1: three a game and we're good to go. 578 00:26:45,800 --> 00:26:47,320 Speaker 3: Not Katie of old. 579 00:26:48,000 --> 00:26:50,120 Speaker 5: But the thing is, when you're talking about a guy 580 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:53,720 Speaker 5: and Kevin Durant over the last three years, that ever's 581 00:26:53,760 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 5: twenty five points of a game on fifty forty ninety 582 00:26:56,080 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 5: from the field. He has more respect and cash an 583 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:02,919 Speaker 5: anybody else on that Houston Rockets team. This is the 584 00:27:03,000 --> 00:27:06,600 Speaker 5: thing about stars. They're great, but they have the tendency 585 00:27:06,920 --> 00:27:11,199 Speaker 5: because of their resumes, to disrupt chemistry because now you 586 00:27:11,359 --> 00:27:14,120 Speaker 5: have to build around them, you have to placate to them. 587 00:27:14,320 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 5: There's the reason it didn't work. And seedings. Devin Booker 588 00:27:17,880 --> 00:27:22,320 Speaker 5: is amazing, Kevin Durant is amazing, Radley Bill is really good. 589 00:27:22,600 --> 00:27:26,399 Speaker 5: Why didn't it work? Why didn't that work? But because 590 00:27:26,440 --> 00:27:29,480 Speaker 5: you need guys, you need to bring in guys that 591 00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 5: are willing to simply play a role. And I hear 592 00:27:32,000 --> 00:27:35,159 Speaker 5: what you're saying, Kelvin about Kevin Durant. Maybe he's not 593 00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,640 Speaker 5: you know, the MVP Kevin Durant that was in Oklahoma City. 594 00:27:39,000 --> 00:27:41,359 Speaker 5: But the dude is still better than anybody else on 595 00:27:41,400 --> 00:27:44,720 Speaker 5: that Houston Rockets team. And they brought him in to 596 00:27:44,840 --> 00:27:46,440 Speaker 5: play through him down the stretch. 597 00:27:47,000 --> 00:27:49,040 Speaker 4: Now, I mean they absolutely, especially when you watch the 598 00:27:49,040 --> 00:27:51,680 Speaker 4: way that that offense died in the postseason. 599 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:54,880 Speaker 3: Simpatico right here on that one. 600 00:27:54,920 --> 00:27:58,040 Speaker 4: But you said something that triggered me again talking about, 601 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:00,679 Speaker 4: you know, the winning and skipping steps and so on. 602 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:03,240 Speaker 4: No one is going to fault or say Oklahoma City 603 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,760 Speaker 4: is skipping steps. But one thing I also know is 604 00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:09,359 Speaker 4: true of winning is guys want to get more. Not 605 00:28:09,400 --> 00:28:12,280 Speaker 4: necessarily want to say respect for it, but guys want 606 00:28:12,280 --> 00:28:14,840 Speaker 4: to get paid for it. And none of this Oklahoma 607 00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,280 Speaker 4: City team outside of Shake Guilders, has gotten paid yet. 608 00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,480 Speaker 4: How do you think that that dynamic impacts this team 609 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:25,360 Speaker 4: going forward? I see a lot of people projecting multiple championships, 610 00:28:25,359 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 4: are multiple years of success without the little Harry notion 611 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 4: if you're gonna have to pay all these guys, And 612 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:34,639 Speaker 4: I think that can cause issues in your chemistry. 613 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:38,800 Speaker 5: I agree, Martin. I agree, because the thing is, I 614 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:42,400 Speaker 5: don't know with the CBA, which many people are calling 615 00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:46,080 Speaker 5: the Dynasty Killer, how you can possibly keep this whole 616 00:28:46,080 --> 00:28:48,920 Speaker 5: thing together. I don't know that because you're going to 617 00:28:49,000 --> 00:28:52,360 Speaker 5: have to lose somebody because Isaiah Hartenstein, they just took 618 00:28:52,360 --> 00:28:55,800 Speaker 5: care of him. Alex Crusso, they just took care of him. Right, 619 00:28:55,880 --> 00:28:57,920 Speaker 5: You're going to have to pay tent Homeward, You're gonna 620 00:28:57,920 --> 00:29:00,760 Speaker 5: have to pay Jadubb. So maybe it's money like lou 621 00:29:00,840 --> 00:29:03,560 Speaker 5: Dort that has to go. And the thing is, those 622 00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:07,720 Speaker 5: guys matter, So it's not as easy as saying, ah, well, 623 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,520 Speaker 5: you know what you got Casey Wallace or you got 624 00:29:10,560 --> 00:29:13,920 Speaker 5: Alex Cruzo that can replace him. What may Oklahoma City 625 00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,040 Speaker 5: so good is their depth and the fact that lou 626 00:29:17,120 --> 00:29:18,800 Speaker 5: Dort can come out and you can go in with 627 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,320 Speaker 5: Alex Caruso. So when you lose one, you're losing a lot. 628 00:29:22,560 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 5: Maybe it's Aaron Wiggins, you know, maybe it's Isaiah Joe. 629 00:29:26,040 --> 00:29:28,360 Speaker 5: Because what teams are going to try and do, They're 630 00:29:28,360 --> 00:29:30,880 Speaker 5: going to try and lure some of these guys away 631 00:29:30,880 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 5: from Oklahoma City that helped them win this world Championship. 632 00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:39,200 Speaker 1: Of course, I think earlier point that's what I was 633 00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:41,280 Speaker 1: saying too. We've talked about this. You look at the Thunder, 634 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,920 Speaker 1: you look at the Pacers, you look at Orlando, you 635 00:29:43,920 --> 00:29:45,760 Speaker 1: look at the Pistons. I think there's a bunch of 636 00:29:45,800 --> 00:29:47,800 Speaker 1: teams that are just building up. Young got a guy 637 00:29:47,960 --> 00:29:51,440 Speaker 1: in Kate k Cunningham, SGA, you name the team, and 638 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:53,600 Speaker 1: then now they're building where they found. Everybody has a 639 00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:55,440 Speaker 1: role and let's just see what happens in the next 640 00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:57,479 Speaker 1: two three years. And not to mention, we're gonna talk 641 00:29:57,480 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: about later in the week. The East just opened up 642 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:01,560 Speaker 1: with a lot of these injuries, so we'll talk about 643 00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,960 Speaker 1: that another day. Ad as always, brother, thank you so much. 644 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:05,960 Speaker 1: Appreciate you for sure. 645 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,480 Speaker 5: I appreciate you guys. That a great night.