1
00:00:02,880 --> 00:00:07,160
Speaker 1: Welcome to NFL Daily, where we don't believe in jinxing

2
00:00:07,160 --> 00:00:09,720
Speaker 1: a winning streak. I'm Greg Rosenthal, and I'm here in

3
00:00:09,760 --> 00:00:13,840
Speaker 1: the Chris Westleyan podcast studio with my friend Cynthia Freelan,

4
00:00:14,040 --> 00:00:16,520
Speaker 1: who has beaten me like a drum on our NFL

5
00:00:16,600 --> 00:00:19,920
Speaker 1: Network show game debut. But I mentioned that streak up

6
00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,680
Speaker 1: top because I'm gonna I'm gonna wear it. This is

7
00:00:21,720 --> 00:00:23,960
Speaker 1: the week where I'm just gonna say it like I'm

8
00:00:23,960 --> 00:00:27,600
Speaker 1: on a seven week winning streak here here in this

9
00:00:27,720 --> 00:00:29,760
Speaker 1: studio picking against the spread.

10
00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:32,440
Speaker 2: Look at us, it's a perfect calendrome.

11
00:00:32,920 --> 00:00:35,479
Speaker 1: You're struggling right now on this show. You're crushing me

12
00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:37,920
Speaker 1: on the others. But I went three and oh last week,

13
00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:43,320
Speaker 1: and that brings my seven week streak all winning up

14
00:00:43,400 --> 00:00:44,800
Speaker 1: to sixteen and five overall.

15
00:00:44,840 --> 00:00:45,440
Speaker 3: After you.

16
00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:48,159
Speaker 1: So I'm feeling great, and you would think usually when

17
00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,760
Speaker 1: you get some picks right, you're feeling confident. It's like

18
00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:52,720
Speaker 1: the basket looks bigger, you know what I mean, when

19
00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:55,720
Speaker 1: you're shooting correct playing basketball. And then I looked at

20
00:00:55,720 --> 00:00:58,280
Speaker 1: the slate and the games aren't speaking to me in

21
00:00:58,320 --> 00:01:00,120
Speaker 1: the way that they normally did. In the end, I

22
00:01:00,120 --> 00:01:03,320
Speaker 1: wrote down five that I like ish, but they weren't

23
00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:05,919
Speaker 1: speaking to me like they normally do fair and because

24
00:01:05,920 --> 00:01:07,520
Speaker 1: of that, I'm going to give you the first pickure.

25
00:01:07,520 --> 00:01:10,000
Speaker 2: Oh perfect, Well, that's nice of you, because all right,

26
00:01:10,120 --> 00:01:12,880
Speaker 2: so I kind of hate this one.

27
00:01:12,920 --> 00:01:14,960
Speaker 3: But I don't hate it if you're going first with it.

28
00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,840
Speaker 2: No, I hate the whole Okay, the whole week. So

29
00:01:18,360 --> 00:01:20,759
Speaker 2: I hate it one of the least about that. It's

30
00:01:20,800 --> 00:01:23,240
Speaker 2: the least hate of the hate. So there we go.

31
00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:25,800
Speaker 2: I think that on Monday Night football, the San Francisco

32
00:01:25,800 --> 00:01:27,200
Speaker 2: forty nine Ers win by a touchdown.

33
00:01:27,280 --> 00:01:28,840
Speaker 1: That's one of the ones I like more than a

34
00:01:28,880 --> 00:01:31,640
Speaker 1: touch I think. I think it's right at seven. Yeah, yeah,

35
00:01:31,720 --> 00:01:33,399
Speaker 1: I do like that one. I didn't write it down,

36
00:01:33,480 --> 00:01:35,320
Speaker 1: but that actually was one of the few that was like,

37
00:01:35,959 --> 00:01:38,240
Speaker 1: they're almost begging you to take the Panthers.

38
00:01:38,360 --> 00:01:43,040
Speaker 2: They're they're like pleading with you take the Panthers. But no, no, no,

39
00:01:43,080 --> 00:01:45,640
Speaker 2: it's it's uh. I think that's why the only reason

40
00:01:45,680 --> 00:01:47,640
Speaker 2: I feel good, But number one, the Niners are at home.

41
00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:52,240
Speaker 2: That always helps, you know, with some Carolina has baffling stats.

42
00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,400
Speaker 2: Sometimes they're great, sometimes they're not great. But the thing

43
00:01:56,440 --> 00:02:00,200
Speaker 2: that I really was interested most in was how how

44
00:02:00,320 --> 00:02:04,240
Speaker 2: Bryce Young was so effective, Like what were the conditions

45
00:02:04,360 --> 00:02:07,080
Speaker 2: under which he operated? And can the Niners get rid

46
00:02:07,080 --> 00:02:10,280
Speaker 2: of those conditions? Like can they stop those conditions? And

47
00:02:10,480 --> 00:02:13,040
Speaker 2: the thing that the Niners are very good at, even

48
00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,240
Speaker 2: without Fred Warner is stopping runs when opposing offenses use

49
00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:21,120
Speaker 2: eleven personnels. So Carolina, they've been really effective out rushing

50
00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,120
Speaker 2: out of eleven personnel. So three wide receiver sets, that's

51
00:02:24,160 --> 00:02:26,680
Speaker 2: where rico'dadle has like six yards per carry, like some

52
00:02:26,800 --> 00:02:29,760
Speaker 2: crazy number. But the Niners, even without Fred Warner, they're

53
00:02:29,800 --> 00:02:32,120
Speaker 2: still good at stopping that. So to me, I was like,

54
00:02:32,120 --> 00:02:35,639
Speaker 2: all right, I feel I must day I feel better

55
00:02:35,680 --> 00:02:36,000
Speaker 2: about that.

56
00:02:36,200 --> 00:02:38,560
Speaker 1: And it's been interesting in the last couple of weeks,

57
00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:43,720
Speaker 1: Dowdle's yardage, at least on the ground yep, has gone

58
00:02:43,919 --> 00:02:47,920
Speaker 1: way down yep. And if you make Bryce Young one dimensional,

59
00:02:48,080 --> 00:02:50,320
Speaker 1: he could light you up for four hundred yards plus

60
00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:51,240
Speaker 1: like he did last week.

61
00:02:51,240 --> 00:02:53,440
Speaker 3: But that's happened like once all year. I don't expect

62
00:02:53,440 --> 00:02:53,839
Speaker 3: that to app.

63
00:02:53,880 --> 00:02:55,800
Speaker 2: I think there's some crazy stat out there that in

64
00:02:55,880 --> 00:02:58,560
Speaker 2: games after it doesn't have it's like too small to

65
00:02:58,560 --> 00:03:00,639
Speaker 2: be a real, like relevant one, but it's a fun

66
00:03:00,680 --> 00:03:03,200
Speaker 2: one to tell. Your friends in games. After he's throwing

67
00:03:03,240 --> 00:03:05,680
Speaker 2: three touchdowns, he's not thrown more than one touchdown in

68
00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,480
Speaker 2: the next game. It's a it's a minuscule, but it's

69
00:03:08,520 --> 00:03:11,200
Speaker 2: still fun. You know, Monday night football, if your family

70
00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:13,679
Speaker 2: like mine, is coming early, you need weird stats to

71
00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,400
Speaker 2: talk about it in case things get Thanksgiving Monday.

72
00:03:17,480 --> 00:03:18,320
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, same.

73
00:03:18,639 --> 00:03:21,440
Speaker 1: I will be picking my parents up at the airport

74
00:03:22,440 --> 00:03:25,600
Speaker 1: right as the game starts. Tricky because we go live

75
00:03:25,680 --> 00:03:27,800
Speaker 1: on YouTube after the game, so I will have to

76
00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,360
Speaker 1: have that game up, be listening on the radio and.

77
00:03:30,560 --> 00:03:33,160
Speaker 2: Like a list of a there's an uber and you know,

78
00:03:33,200 --> 00:03:34,200
Speaker 2: like my parents.

79
00:03:33,880 --> 00:03:34,760
Speaker 3: Are in their eighties.

80
00:03:34,800 --> 00:03:37,280
Speaker 2: I just feel like I got I got a guy

81
00:03:37,280 --> 00:03:39,440
Speaker 2: who did he did he did. He's a good he's

82
00:03:39,600 --> 00:03:40,240
Speaker 2: very reliable.

83
00:03:40,280 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 3: We'll talk off here. He's great, Okay.

84
00:03:44,000 --> 00:03:48,160
Speaker 1: I also think the forty nine ers have like a

85
00:03:48,160 --> 00:03:50,720
Speaker 1: a better than people think chance of having one of

86
00:03:50,720 --> 00:03:53,280
Speaker 1: the best offenses in down the stretch. So that that's

87
00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:55,840
Speaker 1: my main reason is I trust their offense. I do

88
00:03:55,920 --> 00:03:58,040
Speaker 1: not trust the Panthers defense at all, which has actually

89
00:03:58,040 --> 00:04:00,000
Speaker 1: been playing worse lately. So I like that pick by you.

90
00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:02,640
Speaker 1: Oh I was considering. I appreciate that Okay. So, like

91
00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,160
Speaker 1: I was saying, I don't have any moth and no

92
00:04:05,240 --> 00:04:09,280
Speaker 1: computer model, I just kinda I wait till Thursday morning.

93
00:04:09,520 --> 00:04:09,720
Speaker 2: Yeah.

94
00:04:09,760 --> 00:04:11,720
Speaker 1: And then I look at the lines and I see like, oh,

95
00:04:11,720 --> 00:04:13,880
Speaker 1: which ones just seem which ones speak to me?

96
00:04:14,120 --> 00:04:14,320
Speaker 3: Yeah?

97
00:04:14,360 --> 00:04:17,400
Speaker 1: Which is like, oh, okay, that's a team I'm higher on.

98
00:04:17,440 --> 00:04:20,839
Speaker 1: The continens it's a team I'm lower on. And almost

99
00:04:20,839 --> 00:04:22,919
Speaker 1: nothing really spoke to me in a loud voice, but

100
00:04:22,960 --> 00:04:27,240
Speaker 1: there was there was one chirping voice that was annoying

101
00:04:27,279 --> 00:04:29,200
Speaker 1: to me because I don't want to do this, and

102
00:04:29,240 --> 00:04:31,560
Speaker 1: that was from a game down in New Orleans.

103
00:04:31,760 --> 00:04:33,159
Speaker 2: Oh, I like this one too.

104
00:04:33,360 --> 00:04:35,680
Speaker 1: I don't know, is it the same side because it's

105
00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:37,480
Speaker 1: for the it's for the underdogs.

106
00:04:37,520 --> 00:04:38,840
Speaker 3: I hate going against the Saints.

107
00:04:38,920 --> 00:04:44,960
Speaker 1: Same But this game is so irrelevant to everyone except

108
00:04:45,000 --> 00:04:47,440
Speaker 1: for the employees of the New Orleans Saints and the

109
00:04:47,480 --> 00:04:49,560
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons and the fans because it's as good a

110
00:04:49,640 --> 00:04:51,960
Speaker 1: rivalry as there is that I don't think there's gonna

111
00:04:51,960 --> 00:04:54,640
Speaker 1: be a lot of national betting on this game.

112
00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,600
Speaker 3: And yet I looked at this and.

113
00:04:56,560 --> 00:05:00,440
Speaker 1: I thought, in what world are the Falcons not a

114
00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:04,560
Speaker 1: significantly better team than the Saints And they're underdogs by

115
00:05:04,560 --> 00:05:07,239
Speaker 1: two and a half, and I get Kirk Cousins is starting.

116
00:05:08,520 --> 00:05:10,640
Speaker 1: I do think that's bad, but not as bad as

117
00:05:10,680 --> 00:05:13,200
Speaker 1: it could be because Michael Pennox is up and down

118
00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:16,479
Speaker 1: and then Drake London is out, which is which is

119
00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,320
Speaker 1: quite bad. But ultimately I just think they're a better

120
00:05:20,440 --> 00:05:23,680
Speaker 1: overall unit and their defense is the best overall group

121
00:05:23,720 --> 00:05:24,279
Speaker 1: in this game.

122
00:05:24,720 --> 00:05:26,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a team that blitz is a ton

123
00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:29,359
Speaker 2: second highest blitz rate in the NFL. And you know

124
00:05:29,440 --> 00:05:32,440
Speaker 2: what happens when you look at Tyler Schuck against the blitz.

125
00:05:32,480 --> 00:05:35,240
Speaker 2: It doesn't go well. So I'm with you on that.

126
00:05:35,360 --> 00:05:39,000
Speaker 2: I also think, you know, this is my only like

127
00:05:39,040 --> 00:05:41,320
Speaker 2: and I'm I'm actually aligned with you on Atlanta winning

128
00:05:41,440 --> 00:05:43,760
Speaker 2: straight up. So I'm looking at this one and I'm like,

129
00:05:43,960 --> 00:05:45,920
Speaker 2: does this mean all the fantasy people that I work

130
00:05:45,960 --> 00:05:48,800
Speaker 2: with there it is. It's the Kyle Pitts game. Co

131
00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,880
Speaker 2: It's Coyle Poots, Coile Poots. So you're just gonna keep

132
00:05:52,279 --> 00:05:55,279
Speaker 2: and it's all fantasy pundits will say it, and it

133
00:05:55,360 --> 00:05:57,960
Speaker 2: might be, but good lord, we've been we've been really like,

134
00:05:58,279 --> 00:05:59,679
Speaker 2: stop trying to make Kyle Pitts.

135
00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:02,440
Speaker 1: It's not gonna happen. At the beginning of the season,

136
00:06:02,640 --> 00:06:05,800
Speaker 1: it felt like it was happening. I thought he is

137
00:06:05,839 --> 00:06:08,320
Speaker 1: a better NFL player than he used to be. He

138
00:06:08,400 --> 00:06:10,960
Speaker 1: is up to forty seven receptions on the season, under

139
00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,120
Speaker 1: ten yards per catch with one touchdown. So not a

140
00:06:15,120 --> 00:06:16,520
Speaker 1: great fantasy season could be.

141
00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:19,840
Speaker 2: With Darnel Mooney instead, just your favor Stop trying to

142
00:06:19,839 --> 00:06:22,559
Speaker 2: play this game of Stop trying to make fetch happen.

143
00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:25,680
Speaker 1: You know, Ulane Grad returning to the Superdome, not that

144
00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,760
Speaker 1: they played with Superdome by the time he was playing there.

145
00:06:27,800 --> 00:06:28,320
Speaker 2: It doesn't matter.

146
00:06:28,400 --> 00:06:30,760
Speaker 3: Back when I was a student, that's where That's where

147
00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:31,159
Speaker 3: we played.

148
00:06:31,200 --> 00:06:32,400
Speaker 2: God, that's pretty cool for you.

149
00:06:33,520 --> 00:06:34,800
Speaker 3: Yes, and no, it was empty.

150
00:06:35,240 --> 00:06:37,479
Speaker 1: You know, there were not many people showing up to

151
00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:40,039
Speaker 1: those games in a huge stadium.

152
00:06:39,640 --> 00:06:42,479
Speaker 2: Green wave, you know, but didn't come. Didn't show you.

153
00:06:42,839 --> 00:06:45,119
Speaker 1: Might be playing the college football players. But I feel

154
00:06:45,120 --> 00:06:48,320
Speaker 1: great about that, I really do. I think Shucks succeeded

155
00:06:48,400 --> 00:06:54,560
Speaker 1: so far by being really great in improvising and like

156
00:06:54,680 --> 00:06:58,520
Speaker 1: showing his athleticism. A little surprising that that's how he's winning. Yeah,

157
00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:00,520
Speaker 1: and maybe he'll continue to do that. But I just

158
00:07:00,560 --> 00:07:03,880
Speaker 1: think the Falcons defense Jalen Walker's playing better is the

159
00:07:03,920 --> 00:07:06,080
Speaker 1: real deal, and they will get it done on the

160
00:07:06,160 --> 00:07:06,560
Speaker 1: road and.

161
00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:08,920
Speaker 3: Sweep that series this season. Okay, your second pick.

162
00:07:13,360 --> 00:07:17,600
Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm just gonna I'm gonna I'm gonna go

163
00:07:17,680 --> 00:07:20,840
Speaker 2: with this one. Why not. I don't think Seattle wins

164
00:07:20,880 --> 00:07:25,239
Speaker 2: by more than thirteen and any whoa why slow it down?

165
00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,440
Speaker 2: Slow down the dang game. I don't necessarily think I

166
00:07:28,480 --> 00:07:32,840
Speaker 2: think that they win handily, but the interior, the center's

167
00:07:32,840 --> 00:07:36,480
Speaker 2: on ir Gray's abels. He playing left guard, I don't

168
00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,600
Speaker 2: know right, so he got injured as well. I just

169
00:07:39,720 --> 00:07:41,760
Speaker 2: think that this is a team that has there's a

170
00:07:41,800 --> 00:07:44,720
Speaker 2: ton of deep balls. We know Sam Darnold, he's gonna

171
00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,360
Speaker 2: throw the deep ball God, and they're good against it.

172
00:07:47,640 --> 00:07:49,880
Speaker 2: But here's the thing. I just think they slow the

173
00:07:49,960 --> 00:07:54,920
Speaker 2: pace down in this matchup just enough to not just

174
00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:56,240
Speaker 2: a little bit of pace.

175
00:07:56,040 --> 00:07:56,720
Speaker 3: A little bit. See.

176
00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:58,720
Speaker 1: I wish I'd led with my Seattle minus thirteen and

177
00:07:58,720 --> 00:08:00,360
Speaker 1: a half because now it feels like I'm going again.

178
00:08:00,440 --> 00:08:01,240
Speaker 2: You can go against me.

179
00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,960
Speaker 1: That was kind of my top pick, and it wasn't

180
00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,920
Speaker 1: much more complicated than this is the best defense in

181
00:08:09,960 --> 00:08:14,040
Speaker 1: the league, I believe, by a decent amount efficiency. Yzv

182
00:08:14,600 --> 00:08:17,760
Speaker 1: DVOA would would support that. It is the worst team

183
00:08:17,800 --> 00:08:20,679
Speaker 1: in the league. I think if I had to choose one,

184
00:08:21,240 --> 00:08:25,440
Speaker 1: maybe the worst offense in the league. And they've shown

185
00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:28,200
Speaker 1: that they can win games, you know, going away. They've

186
00:08:28,240 --> 00:08:32,360
Speaker 1: had they've had some blowouts and they're a wagon. Can

187
00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,199
Speaker 1: I talk you off of it or no? I mean

188
00:08:35,480 --> 00:08:37,240
Speaker 1: I really that was the one that was actually my

189
00:08:37,320 --> 00:08:38,760
Speaker 1: number one pick. I don't know why I started talking

190
00:08:38,760 --> 00:08:39,240
Speaker 1: about the fuck.

191
00:08:39,320 --> 00:08:42,920
Speaker 2: I'd rather be more fun and cheer for fun.

192
00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:44,000
Speaker 3: So let's let's go.

193
00:08:44,160 --> 00:08:45,760
Speaker 2: I'll go with you on this side because you know,

194
00:08:45,800 --> 00:08:48,360
Speaker 2: I mean, who cares what that's like like, I don't know.

195
00:08:48,600 --> 00:08:50,800
Speaker 2: I'd rather root for more than less in the situation.

196
00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:54,360
Speaker 1: Wait, so you're you're getting off flip. You're flipping the

197
00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:58,600
Speaker 1: whole pick. Now, that's that's crazy to more than thirteen

198
00:08:58,600 --> 00:09:01,280
Speaker 1: and a half. Yeah, now you're on the Seattle.

199
00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:02,959
Speaker 2: Side, right, we'll flip it.

200
00:09:03,120 --> 00:09:05,079
Speaker 1: Well, I just wanted you to get off it because

201
00:09:05,120 --> 00:09:06,719
Speaker 1: I felt bad about it. But I want to give it.

202
00:09:06,840 --> 00:09:08,679
Speaker 1: I want to you know what, I'm going to get

203
00:09:08,679 --> 00:09:09,160
Speaker 1: off it. Now.

204
00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:10,199
Speaker 3: You stay you stay with.

205
00:09:10,120 --> 00:09:12,040
Speaker 2: You all right, I'll stay with it, but no, crazy,

206
00:09:12,200 --> 00:09:14,079
Speaker 2: you can you can be on it too. It's totally fine.

207
00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:20,160
Speaker 1: Okay, I'm going to go. Man, these games this week

208
00:09:20,200 --> 00:09:22,280
Speaker 1: are crazy. I'm going to go with Cleveland plus three

209
00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:23,839
Speaker 1: and a half. That was another one spoke to me.

210
00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,800
Speaker 1: I know Shadar Sanders is starting. That adds an element

211
00:09:27,920 --> 00:09:32,600
Speaker 1: of craziness to all the coverage, and it adds a

212
00:09:32,600 --> 00:09:35,040
Speaker 1: little bit of uncertainty to what happens in the game.

213
00:09:35,200 --> 00:09:39,400
Speaker 1: Is there a chance he's significantly worse than Dylan Gabriel?

214
00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:45,200
Speaker 1: I guess so, But Dylan Gabriel was performing about at

215
00:09:45,200 --> 00:09:47,920
Speaker 1: a you know, thirty first thirty second quarterback in the

216
00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:51,080
Speaker 1: league level? Should earth Sanders is going to have an

217
00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,760
Speaker 1: entire week to prepare. They're going to, you know, make

218
00:09:53,800 --> 00:09:56,559
Speaker 1: the game plan around Quinnchow Juggins and it's a favorable

219
00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:58,199
Speaker 1: matchup overall against the Raiders.

220
00:09:58,640 --> 00:10:03,520
Speaker 2: And uh are Gino? I mean you're abandoning Gino at

221
00:10:03,559 --> 00:10:04,240
Speaker 2: the holidays?

222
00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:04,720
Speaker 3: Yes?

223
00:10:05,080 --> 00:10:07,880
Speaker 2: Oh, I mean Thanksgiving and your he could still.

224
00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,520
Speaker 3: Win the game. I'd be fine. I'd be fine if

225
00:10:09,520 --> 00:10:09,839
Speaker 3: he won.

226
00:10:10,160 --> 00:10:13,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the Browns covered three and a half. But

227
00:10:13,160 --> 00:10:15,320
Speaker 1: the hook, the hook got me here. I believe in

228
00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:17,640
Speaker 1: this defense. I watched this defense every week and I'm

229
00:10:17,679 --> 00:10:21,959
Speaker 1: so impressed how freaking hard they play. I just gave

230
00:10:21,960 --> 00:10:26,240
Speaker 1: it Alex Right a contract extension. It's a relatively unknown

231
00:10:26,280 --> 00:10:28,640
Speaker 1: defensive end who got thirty three million dollars. So on

232
00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:31,480
Speaker 1: the other side of Myles Garrett, it's not just Miles Garrett.

233
00:10:31,520 --> 00:10:35,199
Speaker 1: He's incredible. Schwessinger is incredible. The secondary or got some

234
00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,480
Speaker 1: player is.

235
00:10:36,480 --> 00:10:38,320
Speaker 2: Tough, Carson Schwessinger.

236
00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:43,040
Speaker 1: It's by far the best thing in this game is

237
00:10:42,520 --> 00:10:44,959
Speaker 1: u is the Browns in their defense.

238
00:10:44,720 --> 00:10:49,400
Speaker 2: Couldn't agree more. But there's another side of me that's like, Okay,

239
00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:54,840
Speaker 2: everything is going just a rye. For the your car

240
00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,240
Speaker 2: breaks down, it's Gino Smith's fault. Yes, like like these

241
00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:00,560
Speaker 2: are the types of moments where Gino kind of gets

242
00:11:00,559 --> 00:11:03,079
Speaker 2: his muster. And here's the one stat I can point

243
00:11:03,120 --> 00:11:05,520
Speaker 2: to for why I only think it's by two points.

244
00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:07,920
Speaker 2: So I'm on the same side as you. Okay, good,

245
00:11:07,920 --> 00:11:10,400
Speaker 2: But ultimately I do think the Raiders can pull this

246
00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:13,640
Speaker 2: one out because Gino against Man, which the Browns play

247
00:11:13,640 --> 00:11:15,840
Speaker 2: the most Man, He's only had two of his thirteen

248
00:11:15,880 --> 00:11:19,480
Speaker 2: interceptions against Man. Not bad, right, much better than the

249
00:11:19,679 --> 00:11:24,120
Speaker 2: zone situation where there's been eleven. Okay, it's just I

250
00:11:24,160 --> 00:11:27,160
Speaker 2: think this is where there may be, isn't a ton

251
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,200
Speaker 2: of an identity for this Raiders offense. When you think

252
00:11:30,200 --> 00:11:32,680
Speaker 2: of Raiders offensive than like the players' names, what do

253
00:11:32,720 --> 00:11:35,040
Speaker 2: you think of them doing? It's hard to know, right.

254
00:11:34,920 --> 00:11:39,440
Speaker 1: Failing that's what I thinks. Tough to watch that team

255
00:11:39,559 --> 00:11:42,120
Speaker 1: was have to watch lifeless the other night. They made

256
00:11:42,200 --> 00:11:46,720
Speaker 1: the Dallas Cowboys defense look like the old doomsday Dallas

257
00:11:46,760 --> 00:11:50,400
Speaker 1: defense of the Tom Landry era for our older listeners.

258
00:11:50,400 --> 00:11:51,760
Speaker 3: Not that I was old enough to watch.

259
00:11:51,600 --> 00:11:53,960
Speaker 2: That, say she watched the black and white.

260
00:11:54,080 --> 00:11:57,800
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I'm a student of history. They had

261
00:11:57,840 --> 00:12:01,360
Speaker 1: color back in the seventies. They made them look incredible.

262
00:12:01,400 --> 00:12:05,720
Speaker 1: They're totally lifeless. Both these teams are, frankly, but here's

263
00:12:05,720 --> 00:12:08,720
Speaker 1: a stat that you won't find in your model. Kevin

264
00:12:08,760 --> 00:12:13,160
Speaker 1: Stefanski is one to zero in a The loser of

265
00:12:13,160 --> 00:12:16,000
Speaker 1: this game might get fired Bowl games this year beating

266
00:12:16,040 --> 00:12:18,560
Speaker 1: Mike McDaniel and the Dolphins. Now McDaniel didn't get fired

267
00:12:18,600 --> 00:12:20,400
Speaker 1: in the end, but the Browns came through with a

268
00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,520
Speaker 1: thirty one to six victory in that game, where I

269
00:12:22,760 --> 00:12:25,160
Speaker 1: kind of feel like, maybe the loser of this game

270
00:12:25,240 --> 00:12:27,560
Speaker 1: is it is in trouble either way.

271
00:12:27,679 --> 00:12:29,600
Speaker 3: I think they're both in I think they're both in

272
00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:30,480
Speaker 3: deep trouble, just.

273
00:12:30,440 --> 00:12:31,240
Speaker 2: A matter of when.

274
00:12:31,720 --> 00:12:34,360
Speaker 1: But yeah, man, three and a half points is a

275
00:12:34,360 --> 00:12:37,560
Speaker 1: lot to give the Las Vegas Raiders in the year

276
00:12:37,600 --> 00:12:40,880
Speaker 1: twenty twenty five. So I feel totally kosher with that

277
00:12:40,920 --> 00:12:44,640
Speaker 1: as my second with you on that. Okay, your third pick, Okay.

278
00:12:46,440 --> 00:12:53,240
Speaker 2: All right, Do I have to pick green Bay?

279
00:12:53,520 --> 00:12:54,520
Speaker 3: Sure, that's fine.

280
00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,360
Speaker 2: Just feels like a better green Bay against Minnesota. I

281
00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:03,560
Speaker 2: don't love divisional matchups because weird things happen, blah blah blah.

282
00:13:03,880 --> 00:13:07,679
Speaker 2: But it's a tasty little number. Six and a half Yeah,

283
00:13:07,920 --> 00:13:10,280
Speaker 2: just means a touchdown. And I think I don't care

284
00:13:10,320 --> 00:13:12,200
Speaker 2: who is the running back in this one. You can

285
00:13:12,320 --> 00:13:14,960
Speaker 2: run on the Vikings big time. You can run big time.

286
00:13:15,120 --> 00:13:17,719
Speaker 2: And Jordan Love good against the Blitz, and I don't

287
00:13:17,760 --> 00:13:20,959
Speaker 2: know what happens to JJ McCarthy, Like I love splits

288
00:13:20,960 --> 00:13:23,320
Speaker 2: that are like during the time that it's scripted, he's good,

289
00:13:23,400 --> 00:13:25,480
Speaker 2: and then the rest of the game he's not so good.

290
00:13:25,559 --> 00:13:27,440
Speaker 2: So I'm gonna I think I'll go.

291
00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,520
Speaker 1: But in two minute situations when they need a touchdown

292
00:13:29,520 --> 00:13:31,679
Speaker 1: at the end of the game, he's been pretty good.

293
00:13:31,800 --> 00:13:34,480
Speaker 2: That's how you bust them. That's how you bust the spread.

294
00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:36,920
Speaker 2: But whatever, I just don't think in this match. I

295
00:13:36,960 --> 00:13:39,320
Speaker 2: just think that the talk about a unit that is

296
00:13:39,440 --> 00:13:42,600
Speaker 2: severely like very much better than the rest. It's to

297
00:13:42,640 --> 00:13:45,160
Speaker 2: me the Packers defense, big time is the best unit

298
00:13:45,200 --> 00:13:46,120
Speaker 2: in this whole thing.

299
00:13:46,800 --> 00:13:49,840
Speaker 1: I agree with you there, and I think they're coming on.

300
00:13:50,240 --> 00:13:55,080
Speaker 1: And I think the Packers look, these two opponents are

301
00:13:55,240 --> 00:13:58,600
Speaker 1: somewhat familiar. I think that helps in these Brian Flores matchups.

302
00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,480
Speaker 1: For the most part, he their defense hasn't been as

303
00:14:02,559 --> 00:14:06,280
Speaker 1: good overall in these division games, certainly not against the Lions,

304
00:14:06,320 --> 00:14:08,640
Speaker 1: but you know that the Packers Vikings.

305
00:14:08,360 --> 00:14:10,520
Speaker 3: They've been up the Lions each I know.

306
00:14:10,600 --> 00:14:13,440
Speaker 1: But I'm just saying, like over the course of the

307
00:14:13,480 --> 00:14:17,800
Speaker 1: Bryan the b Flow history and all, I love the

308
00:14:17,800 --> 00:14:23,760
Speaker 1: way Jordan's Love played last week. Ultimately, this Vikings season

309
00:14:24,000 --> 00:14:27,200
Speaker 1: feels like, you know, you can't measure this in your model,

310
00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,840
Speaker 1: but just the vibes are our vibes are way back

311
00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:33,800
Speaker 1: and it's a lot of pressure waves going down. And uh,

312
00:14:34,200 --> 00:14:35,360
Speaker 1: I'm with you on nine.

313
00:14:35,600 --> 00:14:38,760
Speaker 2: Nine needs to muster up the strength of the universe.

314
00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,360
Speaker 1: I'm torn here because I really do like that Seattle

315
00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,520
Speaker 1: minus they're get let's go together.

316
00:14:43,600 --> 00:14:45,280
Speaker 3: But you, you were on the other side. You can't

317
00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:46,120
Speaker 3: just flip sides.

318
00:14:46,160 --> 00:14:49,280
Speaker 2: Flip sides. That's basically to be with you, because I

319
00:14:50,200 --> 00:14:52,000
Speaker 2: know it's not because I'd rather root for.

320
00:14:51,920 --> 00:14:54,880
Speaker 1: Fun, Okay, in fun being the two of us just

321
00:14:54,920 --> 00:14:56,000
Speaker 1: looking for a big fat.

322
00:14:55,920 --> 00:14:58,920
Speaker 2: Blow yes on Sunday. Yeah, we want just hoping that

323
00:14:59,040 --> 00:15:03,400
Speaker 2: cam Ward spread. That's not fun. Okay, So want to

324
00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:06,360
Speaker 2: be fun. Okay, I choose fun every time. Officially, that

325
00:15:06,440 --> 00:15:07,560
Speaker 2: will be my third pick.

326
00:15:07,720 --> 00:15:10,640
Speaker 1: So my picks are Atlanta plus two and a half,

327
00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:16,080
Speaker 1: Cleveland plus three and a half, and then the Seahawks minus.

328
00:15:16,120 --> 00:15:17,960
Speaker 2: What a sexy slate we just picked there?

329
00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:22,160
Speaker 1: I know, and you had you had the Packers as

330
00:15:22,240 --> 00:15:25,120
Speaker 1: your pick, and and you were starting out with the

331
00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:27,800
Speaker 1: Niners covering the seven, and you're with me on the Seahawks.

332
00:15:29,320 --> 00:15:31,320
Speaker 1: Just one more thing on the Seahawks, and I do

333
00:15:31,360 --> 00:15:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm going to throw out an extra pick for this

334
00:15:32,960 --> 00:15:36,800
Speaker 1: one too. Is there is something to me about not

335
00:15:36,880 --> 00:15:38,760
Speaker 1: just the best team in the league, but the best

336
00:15:38,760 --> 00:15:42,120
Speaker 1: team in league coming off a loss. I just think

337
00:15:42,280 --> 00:15:46,800
Speaker 1: like this time of the year, every game is so important,

338
00:15:47,000 --> 00:15:50,400
Speaker 1: but it really does feel like good teams respond to losses.

339
00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't think this is a game that they are

340
00:15:52,160 --> 00:15:55,640
Speaker 1: going to take lightly. And I just really like they

341
00:15:55,640 --> 00:15:58,680
Speaker 1: are probably my I know they're behind in the division, but.

342
00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,000
Speaker 2: I don't care. I'm with you.

343
00:15:59,840 --> 00:16:01,800
Speaker 3: I just think I think they might win the Super Bowl.

344
00:16:01,800 --> 00:16:03,240
Speaker 3: I think they would be my pick right now.

345
00:16:04,240 --> 00:16:06,280
Speaker 2: Can I tell you there's a team we missed then

346
00:16:06,600 --> 00:16:10,080
Speaker 2: based on your theory, a good team coming off a loss.

347
00:16:10,640 --> 00:16:12,960
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna pick them because I never pick my

348
00:16:13,040 --> 00:16:15,960
Speaker 2: team every I can't do it. But I think that

349
00:16:16,000 --> 00:16:20,120
Speaker 2: those frisky little kiddies, Okay, I think that's a I

350
00:16:20,200 --> 00:16:24,080
Speaker 2: understand that maybe Jackson Dart plays blah blah blah. You

351
00:16:24,120 --> 00:16:26,960
Speaker 2: got the books, Okay, I don't care.

352
00:16:27,400 --> 00:16:29,920
Speaker 3: I don't really either. I'm you Run. I'm on that

353
00:16:29,960 --> 00:16:30,440
Speaker 3: side too.

354
00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:32,840
Speaker 2: Yes, I will always pick on the Giants defense in

355
00:16:32,840 --> 00:16:34,920
Speaker 2: the run game until they stop it. I'm literally they

356
00:16:34,960 --> 00:16:37,320
Speaker 2: do my homework for me every week. Also prove they

357
00:16:37,320 --> 00:16:38,800
Speaker 2: can do anything against run. Now, you got to do

358
00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:43,040
Speaker 2: it against Jamior Gibbs and David Montgomery. Yes, and now

359
00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:45,280
Speaker 2: Jamison Williams sometimes running the football.

360
00:16:45,320 --> 00:16:47,280
Speaker 1: And they've been great coming off a loss in general

361
00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:50,520
Speaker 1: this year, rre and it's Jared goff coming back to

362
00:16:50,880 --> 00:16:52,640
Speaker 1: do you want to make that your third pick instead

363
00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:52,880
Speaker 1: of Sea.

364
00:16:53,040 --> 00:16:55,280
Speaker 2: Let's say I will never pick my team. Okay, I can't.

365
00:16:55,440 --> 00:16:58,040
Speaker 2: It's just I have too much my heart is in

366
00:16:58,360 --> 00:16:59,240
Speaker 2: it's there's too much in there.

367
00:16:59,280 --> 00:17:01,640
Speaker 3: I'm on the same side to you on that one too.

368
00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,280
Speaker 1: And I think, just Jared Gofflake returning to the friendly

369
00:17:04,320 --> 00:17:07,560
Speaker 1: confines of a dome and everyone chanting his name and

370
00:17:07,720 --> 00:17:10,920
Speaker 1: loving him, he'll do great. But my extra pick here

371
00:17:10,960 --> 00:17:13,440
Speaker 1: is actually Pittsburgh plus two and a half. Oh, I

372
00:17:13,480 --> 00:17:16,480
Speaker 1: don't care about who plays same quarterback. I think the

373
00:17:16,520 --> 00:17:20,840
Speaker 1: Bears are a little overpriced in the market.

374
00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,120
Speaker 3: No, I just was this one. I was surprised.

375
00:17:24,480 --> 00:17:27,719
Speaker 1: I was like, Okay, I do think the what are

376
00:17:27,720 --> 00:17:29,720
Speaker 1: you saying, phony fakes?

377
00:17:29,920 --> 00:17:30,360
Speaker 3: Wow?

378
00:17:31,040 --> 00:17:33,199
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're phony or fakes. I'm saying that

379
00:17:33,480 --> 00:17:36,119
Speaker 2: they're right now in Seoul. They are number one in

380
00:17:36,160 --> 00:17:36,960
Speaker 2: the NFC North.

381
00:17:37,119 --> 00:17:40,560
Speaker 1: Yes, they're twenty fifth inefficiency according to d v A,

382
00:17:40,840 --> 00:17:43,240
Speaker 1: largely because of a really poor defense.

383
00:17:43,840 --> 00:17:44,679
Speaker 3: It's a bad defense.

384
00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:49,280
Speaker 2: This is only dv Anyways, I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.

385
00:17:49,320 --> 00:17:51,800
Speaker 2: I like dv IT. Some of the other ones I don't,

386
00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:54,600
Speaker 2: But I like that one. Ultimately, I'm looking at this

387
00:17:54,680 --> 00:17:58,639
Speaker 2: and I'm saying, you've got six games coming up against

388
00:17:58,680 --> 00:18:01,440
Speaker 2: last year's playoff teams. You get through some of those,

389
00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,160
Speaker 2: then I'll have a little more belief. Because your quarterback

390
00:18:04,240 --> 00:18:07,040
Speaker 2: right now, he has a sub sixty completion percentage that

391
00:18:07,200 --> 00:18:09,440
Speaker 2: is not easy to overcome. I don't care who you are.

392
00:18:09,640 --> 00:18:12,280
Speaker 2: So that is where I'm like, Okay, in terms of

393
00:18:12,440 --> 00:18:15,960
Speaker 2: making the playoffs, yes, but hosting a home playoff game

394
00:18:16,160 --> 00:18:17,840
Speaker 2: that feels like a bridge too far. I don't have

395
00:18:17,880 --> 00:18:20,000
Speaker 2: them making the playoffs to be fair, but I have

396
00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,320
Speaker 2: them on and as the eight seed, just on the

397
00:18:22,359 --> 00:18:24,879
Speaker 2: outside looking at I just think, think about the Packers defense,

398
00:18:24,920 --> 00:18:26,439
Speaker 2: and then think about what you think about Like, think

399
00:18:26,480 --> 00:18:27,800
Speaker 2: about what you think about the Packers, and then what

400
00:18:27,800 --> 00:18:29,320
Speaker 2: you think of the Bears. Even if you're not a

401
00:18:29,320 --> 00:18:31,320
Speaker 2: Lions fan like me, think about you think about the Lions,

402
00:18:31,359 --> 00:18:33,840
Speaker 2: and then what you think about It's just not they're

403
00:18:33,880 --> 00:18:36,920
Speaker 2: not there. It's and by the way, that's okay, yes,

404
00:18:37,280 --> 00:18:41,560
Speaker 2: don't Maybe it's better see Dablecama, Brian. What happens when

405
00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:43,520
Speaker 2: you make the playoffs a little too soon before your

406
00:18:43,520 --> 00:18:45,800
Speaker 2: team has caught up to your wins based on that

407
00:18:45,840 --> 00:18:48,640
Speaker 2: fourth place schedule, getting you into a much like it's

408
00:18:48,680 --> 00:18:51,000
Speaker 2: gonna be okay, chill.

409
00:18:51,160 --> 00:18:52,760
Speaker 1: I think this is the swing game for their whole

410
00:18:52,760 --> 00:18:56,679
Speaker 1: season because the schedule, it's brutal after this certainly a

411
00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,560
Speaker 1: winnable game, whether it's Mason Rudolph or more likely Aaron Rodgers,

412
00:18:59,560 --> 00:19:00,960
Speaker 1: although I don't think Rudolph is going to be a

413
00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:04,520
Speaker 1: big negative. But I see the Bears left tackle situation,

414
00:19:04,560 --> 00:19:06,600
Speaker 1: which already wasn't great and now that they have an

415
00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,480
Speaker 1: injury there, and I do trust in some of the

416
00:19:09,520 --> 00:19:11,960
Speaker 1: changes that the Steelers defense has made.

417
00:19:12,080 --> 00:19:12,720
Speaker 3: Overall.

418
00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,160
Speaker 1: I think their defense is the most trustworthy group in

419
00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:19,400
Speaker 1: this game, and they can get heavy on the other

420
00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:21,040
Speaker 1: side of the ball, and I think run it on

421
00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,320
Speaker 1: the Bears, which I just do not trust that Bears

422
00:19:23,359 --> 00:19:25,560
Speaker 1: defense at all. And I think the Bears offense is

423
00:19:25,560 --> 00:19:27,640
Speaker 1: going to have to be so clean to win week

424
00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:29,240
Speaker 1: after week. So I like the Steelers in the scheme,

425
00:19:29,280 --> 00:19:32,359
Speaker 1: but that's a that's a bonus pick. My three will

426
00:19:32,400 --> 00:19:36,760
Speaker 1: be the falcons of the Browns and the Seahawks. All Right,

427
00:19:36,800 --> 00:19:38,399
Speaker 1: we're gonna nail this one. We're gonna nail it.

428
00:19:38,440 --> 00:19:39,440
Speaker 3: We did it. You know what else?

429
00:19:39,520 --> 00:19:42,040
Speaker 2: No that's what I'm that smells like six and oh.

430
00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:44,520
Speaker 1: You know what else we nailed is the most recent

431
00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:47,240
Speaker 1: addition to the NFL Daily family. I have not mentioned

432
00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:51,160
Speaker 1: this on the show before, is that our friend Ali Connelly,

433
00:19:51,160 --> 00:19:54,960
Speaker 1: who I've worked with that talk sport, who has a substack,

434
00:19:55,119 --> 00:19:57,320
Speaker 1: the read optional, is going to come on board and

435
00:19:57,359 --> 00:20:00,320
Speaker 1: do a show with us weekly, and we're gonna start

436
00:20:00,400 --> 00:20:04,280
Speaker 1: doing it on Saturdays. It says in the title NFL Daily,

437
00:20:04,320 --> 00:20:07,480
Speaker 1: I'm adding more shows to the mixed, Cynthia.

438
00:20:07,480 --> 00:20:09,800
Speaker 2: You can definitely afford to get your parents a driver

439
00:20:09,920 --> 00:20:11,720
Speaker 2: from the airport with all these extra shows.

440
00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:15,080
Speaker 1: Well, they don't pay me per show, Unfortunately, I wish

441
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:17,160
Speaker 1: they did. But I'm doing fine. I'm not that I'm

442
00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:20,280
Speaker 1: not complaining about. I love all of our partners.

443
00:20:20,359 --> 00:20:22,960
Speaker 2: Are you ever going to not work? My goodness.

444
00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,159
Speaker 1: I mentioned all that because that's the next show in

445
00:20:25,200 --> 00:20:28,960
Speaker 1: the feed. I'm no longer throwing it to Sunday Night football.

446
00:20:29,440 --> 00:20:33,160
Speaker 1: You're gonna hear Ali and I overnight. We will drop

447
00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,399
Speaker 1: it East Coast time into the feed and.

448
00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:38,280
Speaker 2: We're going time East Coast time, so I can be ready.

449
00:20:38,359 --> 00:20:40,840
Speaker 3: You know, it'll be up by the time you wake up. Okay,

450
00:20:41,480 --> 00:20:42,159
Speaker 3: you're good, Oh, you're good.

451
00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:45,320
Speaker 1: Got it, got it, And that'll be up on Saturdays

452
00:20:45,480 --> 00:20:47,560
Speaker 1: moving forward, so really looking forward to that.

453
00:20:48,200 --> 00:20:51,720
Speaker 3: Until then, we're both going three and O this week

454
00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:52,480
Speaker 2: We're both going three No